Russia Investigation Heating Up

[Parkbandit]

a) no collusion

b) yes

c) democratic witch hunt/vast left wing conspiracy

Now they're tripping over themselves to engage with you again. Creepy cyber stalkers gonna be creepy ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Seriously? You keep using the term "creepy".

You are King of the Creepy.

Stop. I'm starting to pity you again.

[Parkbandit]

Damn, Mueller is getting deep on this. I for one want to know what the holy hell happened at that convention for the republicans to flip flop from hawk to dove like that.

Hopefully, he actually investigates this instead of jumping to conclusions and ruining innocent people's lives ala 2001 anthrax debacle he ran.

[Methais]

Seriously? You keep using the term "creepy".

You are King of the Creepy.

Stop. I'm starting to pity you again.

WHY ARE YOU CYBER STALKING HIM IN A THREAD ON A PUBLIC FORUM THAT YOU’VE BEEN POSTING IN FOR SEVERAL MONTHS ALREADY OMG SO CREEPY!!!!!

I wonder if pk realizes that he can’t say “creepy” without saying “REE.”

[Androidpk]

Here’s now message boards work:

Person A posts something

Person B-Z respond to it and so forth.

Here's how Methais thinks forums work.

Person A: posts something

Person B: OMG person A thinks they're a journalist! LOLLMAO

[Androidpk]

Seriously? You keep using the term "creepy".

You are King of the Creepy.

Stop. I'm starting to pity you again.

Yes, I keep calling you creepy, because you are creepy. You're a pathetic little troll that gets off on stalking people online. IIRC you were outed as the PC's biggest rep troll. No one pities you, dude, they're all laughing at what a sad old man you are.

[Wrathbringer]

Yes, I keep calling you creepy, because you are creepy. You're a pathetic little troll that gets off on stalking people online. IIRC you were outed as the PC's biggest rep troll. No one pities you, dude, they're all laughing at what a sad old man you are.

Speak for yourself. I'm laughing at your tardation.

[time4fun]

Damn, Mueller is getting deep on this. I for one want to know what the holy hell happened at that convention for the republicans to flip flop from hawk to dove like that.

He's definitely checking all of the boxes. Though I sometimes find myself wondering about the timing of what he does.

One of the interesting things about Mueller, though, is the way his team is so skillfully able to control the Russia narrative- Trump is trying to do the same- while simultaneously being virtually leak-proof.

On one hand, you have had Trump recycling through his core talking points to undermine the credibility of the investigation: this was a witch hunt created by Democrats (even though there are literally no Democrats who have initiated any current Federal investigations into the Trump campaign..because they can't), they haven't come up with any proof of collusion/there is no collusion, and Russia isn't our enemy/didn't meddle in our elections/etc.

Meanwhile, starting around late last year we started getting more and more stories about Trump trying to fire Mueller, looking into Pardons, etc. (Note- whenever you start seeing those stories it means that the people around Trump are afraid he's about to do those things and are whistleblowing to the press to pressure him out of it).

And, starting late last year, Mueller's team began to slowly but regularly file and unseal court documents. (here's a list of them btw (https://www.justsecurity.org/46583/unsealed-documents-special-counsel-mueller-investigation/))

First it was Papadopoulis- which clearly showed that he was in touch with Russian cut outs who were trying to connect with the Trump campaign- undermining the idea that this is a "nothing burger".

Then the Manafort, Gates, and Flynn indictments/please deal were released- which pulled the narrative back from "Mueller is evil!" to "OMG they're actually finding things!"

Then as Trump was back to hammering the message that Russia didn't meddle in our elections (Remember- "I trust Putin!") suddenly Mueller's team unseals the indictment against the IRA- which forced Trump to stop saying that Russia didn't meddle in the elections.

Then the plea deal with Gates was released- which showed that he clearly had something important to offer given how serious the charges against him were.

And now, as we're finding out that Trump has been talking about Pardons again- Mueller files unsealed papers that show the country that two of Trump's top campaign officials were knowingly in regular contact with a Russian spy DURING the campaign. Good luck pardoning Manafort now.

With that in mind- I do wonder if sometimes they time their questioning a bit to help with the narrative as well. Mueller's team isn't leaking anything because they don't have to. Anyone who is questioned is free to run right back to the media to inform them of what Mueller's team is looking at.

Given the three dimensional chess Mueller is currently playing (while Trump runs around screaming "KING ME!"), it wouldn't be totally ridiculous to say that there may be some narrative strategy to what they question and when.

[cwolff]

Yes, I keep calling you creepy, because you are creepy. You're a pathetic little troll that gets off on stalking people online. IIRC you were outed as the PC's biggest rep troll. No one pities you, dude, they're all laughing at what a sad old man you are.

For me, I see a long blue tail after everything I post. It makes me feel like a comet. LOL. It's probably accurate to say that they're a tail trying to wag the dog. They got nothing to say, no legitimate responses, just knee jerk Pavlov respone if they see our Avatars.

[Methais]

Here's how I thinks forums work.

Me: Posts something really stupid. But it’s legit I checked with my super secret sources on the inside!

Person B: That doesn’t make sense. How the fuck does that add up?

Me: I’m just reporting the news

Person B: But how does it make sense?

Me: omg troll

Person B: No it’s a serious question. How does what you said make sense?

Me: Says the troll

cwolff: <briefly tickles my balls>

Person B: You literally can’t explain how what you just said makes sense can you? Because you know you’re full of shit. So instead you continually deflect the question.

Me: dude stop stalking me that’s cREEEEEEEpy!!!!

Well when you put it that way, I really can’t disagree.

[cwolff]

...
Meanwhile, starting around late last year we started getting more and more stories about Trump trying to fire Mueller, looking into Pardons, etc. (Note- whenever you start seeing those stories it means that the people around Trump are afraid he's about to do those things and are whistleblowing to the press to pressure him out of it).

,,,
Then as Trump was back to hammering the message that Russia didn't meddle in our elections (Remember- "I trust Putin!") suddenly Mueller's team unseals the indictment against the IRA- which forced Trump to stop saying that Russia didn't meddle in the elections.

Then the plea deal with Gates was released- which showed that he clearly had something important to offer given how serious the charges against him were.

And now, as we're finding out that Trump has been talking about Pardons again- Mueller files unsealed papers that show the country that two of Trump's top campaign officials were knowingly in regular contact with a Russian spy DURING the campaign. Good luck pardoning Manafort now.

...

I recall that as soon as the Mueller investigation began there were stories of him reviewing Pardon powers. It was one of the first things he did.

I have to believe that trump fires him any day now. It'll be a desperate hail mary but he has to do it. The noose is tightening. And that's a great point about this being GOP v. GOP. It can't be said enough. None of the players are flaming libtards here.

[Methais]

For me, I see a long blue tail after everything I post. It makes me feel like a comet. LOL. It's probably accurate to say that they're a tail trying to wag the dog. They got nothing to say, no legitimate responses, just knee jerk Pavlov respone if they see our Avatars.

On one hand it’s funny that you still haven’t realized that you and the rest of the tard crew are literally nothing more than entertainment for normal people.

And on the other hand it’s sad.

But still more funny than sad because your chronic butthurt is so severe.

[Androidpk]

For me, I see a long blue tail after everything I post. It makes me feel like a comet. LOL. It's probably accurate to say that they're a tail trying to wag the dog. They got nothing to say, no legitimate responses, just knee jerk Pavlov respone if they see our Avatars.

I've seen some creepy internet trolls in my time but the 3 stooges of the PC (parkbandit, methais, and wraithbringer) really take the cake.

[Methais]

I've seen some creepy internet trolls in my time but the 3 stooges of the PC (parkbandit, methais, and wraithbringer) really take the cake.

Your lack of self awareness never stops being awesome. Not awesome in a good way though, at least for you.

For normal people though...


https://youtu.be/I8oplQKbPuQ

[Parkbandit]

I've seen some creepy internet trolls in my time but the 3 stooges of the PC (parkbandit, methais, and wraithbringer) really take the cake.

We're not even close to your level of creepy in real life though.

Listening, then complaining that a girl masturbates too loudly is the pinnacle of creepy. ESPECIALLY since that girl let you sponge off her.

[Parkbandit]

Here's how Methais thinks forums work.

Person A: posts something, claiming he has "sources" that aren't available to anyone but him.

Person B: OMG person A is a fucking retard that thinks they're a journalist! LOLLMAO

Corrected for accuracy.

PS - I know you are incredibly slow, but in this example you are Person A.

[Parkbandit]

He's definitely checking all of the boxes. Though I sometimes find myself wondering about the timing of what he does.

One of the interesting things about Mueller, though, is the way his team is so skillfully able to control the Russia narrative- Trump is trying to do the same- while simultaneously being virtually leak-proof.

On one hand, you have had Trump recycling through his core talking points to undermine the credibility of the investigation: this was a witch hunt created by Democrats (even though there are literally no Democrats who have initiated any current Federal investigations into the Trump campaign..because they can't), they haven't come up with any proof of collusion/there is no collusion, and Russia isn't our enemy/didn't meddle in our elections/etc.

Meanwhile, starting around late last year we started getting more and more stories about Trump trying to fire Mueller, looking into Pardons, etc. (Note- whenever you start seeing those stories it means that the people around Trump are afraid he's about to do those things and are whistleblowing to the press to pressure him out of it).

And, starting late last year, Mueller's team began to slowly but regularly file and unseal court documents. (here's a list of them btw (https://www.justsecurity.org/46583/unsealed-documents-special-counsel-mueller-investigation/))

First it was Papadopoulis- which clearly showed that he was in touch with Russian cut outs who were trying to connect with the Trump campaign- undermining the idea that this is a "nothing burger".

Then the Manafort, Gates, and Flynn indictments/please deal were released- which pulled the narrative back from "Mueller is evil!" to "OMG they're actually finding things!"

Then as Trump was back to hammering the message that Russia didn't meddle in our elections (Remember- "I trust Putin!") suddenly Mueller's team unseals the indictment against the IRA- which forced Trump to stop saying that Russia didn't meddle in the elections.

Then the plea deal with Gates was released- which showed that he clearly had something important to offer given how serious the charges against him were.

And now, as we're finding out that Trump has been talking about Pardons again- Mueller files unsealed papers that show the country that two of Trump's top campaign officials were knowingly in regular contact with a Russian spy DURING the campaign. Good luck pardoning Manafort now.

With that in mind- I do wonder if sometimes they time their questioning a bit to help with the narrative as well. Mueller's team isn't leaking anything because they don't have to. Anyone who is questioned is free to run right back to the media to inform them of what Mueller's team is looking at.

Given the three dimensional chess Mueller is currently playing (while Trump runs around screaming "KING ME!"), it wouldn't be totally ridiculous to say that there may be some narrative strategy to what they question and when.

We should all ask Steven Hatfill how amazing Mueller is at playing chess....

[Androidpk]

We're not even close to your level of creepy in real life though.

Listening, then complaining that a girl masturbates too loudly is the pinnacle of creepy. ESPECIALLY since that girl let you sponge off her.

Ahh, you're only creepy online, where you can "try" to hide your identity.

And keep up your grandiose slandering, it never gets old.

[time4fun]

We should all ask Steven Hatfill how amazing Mueller is at playing chess....

It's difficult to determine if you simply believe that constantly changing the subject is an effective rhetorical strategy, or if you genuinely believe that somehow if you can find something in Mueller's past you don't like (or, rather, have been told not to like)- it somehow affects what Trump did/did not do.

They're both very wrong. It's just about trying to determine if this is a deficit in rhetorical strategy or a deficit in critical thinking.

[Androidpk]

It's just about trying to determine if this is a deficit in rhetorical strategy or a deficit in critical thinking.

It's both.

[Androidpk]

shocker

https://i.imgur.com/IBREQ0h.jpg

[Methais]

Ahh, you're only creepy online, where you can "try" to hide your identity.

And keep up your grandiose slandering, it never gets old.

Not that you’ll answer because you dodge and deflect anything that answering honestly would make you look stupid, but which part of his post was untrue?

[Parkbandit]

Ahh, you're only creepy online, where you can "try" to hide your identity.

Honestly, you should try it. You would look less pathetic.


And keep up your grandiose slandering, it never gets old.

You should look up the term slandering.. you're using it wrong.

HINT: it's making FALSE statements.

[Parkbandit]

It's difficult to determine if you simply believe that constantly changing the subject is an effective rhetorical strategy, or if you genuinely believe that somehow if you can find something in Mueller's past you don't like (or, rather, have been told not to like)- it somehow affects what Trump did/did not do.

They're both very wrong. It's just about trying to determine if this is a deficit in rhetorical strategy or a deficit in critical thinking.

You were speaking of how amazing Mueller's job performance has been.

I gave an example of how Mueller completely fucked up an investigation so badly, it ruined a man's reputation and cost the taxpayers a few million to settle because of his negligence.

Try to keep up.. it's not that difficult.. even for someone like you.

[Methais]

shocker

https://i.imgur.com/IBREQ0h.jpg

Remember the posts in the thread where people were like “Why is Methais on there?”

Either way it’s hilarious how incredibly serious you think rep is. I only knew one other person who took rep that seriously to get all emotional over it.

[time4fun]

CNN is reporting (https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/29/politics/mueller-gates-russia-investigation-contacts/index.html) right now that when Gates was offered his deal by Mueller- it was specifically for evidence of collusion between Russia and the Trump campaign. The gist is that Mueller told him that he had plenty of evidence on Manafort (the implication being that he didn't need Gates for that), and so that's not why Gates got a deal.

So what does this mean?

1) Despite Trump and his allies repeatedly saying that there's no evidence of collusion, and that the investigation isn't about that- it really, REALLY is.

2) Gates must have some incredibly important information given the deal that he got.

[Androidpk]

HINT: it's making FALSE statements.

Precisely.

[time4fun]

You were speaking of how amazing Mueller's job performance has been.

I gave an example of how Mueller completely fucked up an investigation so badly, it ruined a man's reputation and cost the taxpayers a few million to settle because of his negligence.

Try to keep up.. it's not that difficult.. even for someone like you.

So PK is correct.

The answer is both.

[Parkbandit]

shocker

https://i.imgur.com/IBREQ0h.jpg

Fine.. want to compare? Let's re-visit some of the threads you were outted for being a creepy scumbag, shall we?

http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?85551-Whither-msconstrew&highlight=msconstrew

http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?50263-Thread-for-Things-That-Made-You-Smile-Today/page192&p=1714072#post1714072

[Androidpk]

Poor parkbandit has harping on the same lies for the past 5 years. Get a life dude :lol2:

[Parkbandit]

Poor parkbandit has harping on the same lies for the past 5 years. Get a life dude :lol2:

Poor Parkbandit?

I'm not the one who had to beg for a job at Goodwill.

Get a life? LOL. Really? Dude, stop.


Um, yep. That's why you were out of work until the beginning of August when you got the job at Goodwill. You moved into my apartment the first week in June.

Oh totes, it's a bad person that would've helped you escape your mother's house and taken you into her home without asking for any money up front, buying you a desk (which thankfully I now have and use), a chair, giving you a nice bedroom with a bed, and access to the internet, for free, so you could spend all of your time crying over msconstrew and playing Gemstone.


Like I said earlier.. you're a proven creepy little scumbag.

[Methais]

shocker

https://i.imgur.com/IBREQ0h.jpg

I also meant to add...what do you know anyway, you didn’t even vote for me!

https://i.imgur.com/CgtYBtP.jpg

https://i.makeagif.com/media/6-03-2015/p8Nuzl.gif

[Androidpk]

Poor Parkbandit?

I'm not the one who had to beg for a job at Goodwill.




Like I said earlier.. you're a proven creepy little scumbag.

You seem awfully upset, such a sensitive snowflake.

[Parkbandit]

You seem awfully upset, such a sensitive snowflake.

You're not good at judging feelings at all. I'm not upset in the least.

I'm completely entertained by your lack of character, job, money, morals, judgement, intelligence, etc...

I hope you get a good recommendation from Goodwill whenever you hope to move up to a better job.

[Androidpk]

You're not good at judging feelings at all. I'm not upset in the least.

I'm completely entertained by your lack of character, job, money, morals, judgement, intelligence, etc...

I hope you get a good recommendation from Goodwill whenever you hope to move up to a better job.

You've been stalking me on the PC for the past 5 years with the same lines, over and over. You're obsessed and probably mentally ill IRL. Get some help.

[Parkbandit]

You've been stalking me on the PC for the past 5 years with the same lines, over and over. You're obsessed and probably mentally ill IRL. Get some help.

You keep using this "stalking" word. Clearly you don't know what it means.

Pointing out your life story here isn't stalking. It's pointing out what a creepy little loser you are. Nothing more.

You aren't worth stalking.. unless you can somehow get me a big discount at Goodwill?

You aren't worth obsessing over.. unless I was doing a documentary about the "special" people Goodwill hires.

Seriously.. get some self awareness, you creepy little fuck.

[Gelston]

It isn't stalking. All this shit has been posted on the PC. If he started snooping around your FB profile and shit, then sure, but everything he has ever said has been on PC... Which isn't really that large,

[Androidpk]

You aren't worth stalking..

You aren't worth obsessing over..

Aaand yet here you are, once again having a meltdown over me, 5 years running. You're so fucking obsessed I'm not sure if I should be amused or seriously disturbed. Get some help.

[Androidpk]

CNN is reporting (https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/29/politics/mueller-gates-russia-investigation-contacts/index.html) right now that when Gates was offered his deal by Mueller- it was specifically for evidence of collusion between Russia and the Trump campaign. The gist is that Mueller told him that he had plenty of evidence on Manafort (the implication being that he didn't need Gates for that), and so that's not why Gates got a deal.

So what does this mean?

1) Despite Trump and his allies repeatedly saying that there's no evidence of collusion, and that the investigation isn't about that- it really, REALLY is.

2) Gates must have some incredibly important information given the deal that he got.

On a side note the first sentencing hearing is in April with the lawyer Alex van der Zwaan. I think his only crime was lying (multiple times) to the FBI. Not much but it's still prison time.

[time4fun]

You've been stalking me on the PC for the past 5 years with the same lines, over and over. You're obsessed and probably mentally ill IRL. Get some help.

It's pretty bizarre to have PB talking about other people being creepy and stalker-y.

But it makes sense- it's either that or actually deal with the information on Russia/Trump collusion in this thread.

[time4fun]

On a side note the first sentencing hearing is in April with the lawyer Alex van der Zwaan. I think his only crime was lying (multiple times) to the FBI. Not much but it's still prison time.

Max prison time is 6 months. Mueller's team is actually trying to get the Judge to impose prison time, but Zwaan's lawyer is- of course- trying to argue he should get no time in prison because he eventually came clean.

[Androidpk]

On a side note the first sentencing hearing is in April with the lawyer Alex van der Zwaan. I think his only crime was lying (multiple times) to the FBI. Not much but it's still prison time.

This is next Tuesday :popcorn:

[Ashliana]

Whine! Whine!

Psssst. People who aren't in their 70's have the ability to recall things called past events. You've established yourself as desperate and obsessed. Remember the rep thread that was brought up literally an hour ago? Prime example, my Alzheimers-addled friend. You're a deluded bigot, furious at the world changing around you.

There's a reason you're forced to resort to personal attacks in literally every contentious topic you participate in: You can't reason your way out of a paper bag, as you've demonstrated over the course of greater than a decade.

Kudos, though, on you and Methais regurgitating my earlier criticism of you as lacking self-awareness. Apparently one can teach an old dog new tricks. Very impressive.

[Neveragain]

B) Is Neveragain/Racist Gutter Trash still arguing that Russia and Putin aren't our enemies?

https://i.imgur.com/6YhvtK9.gif

Care to double down on the months sub you owe me from the election and take my bet that Starman reaches Mars before Trump is ever impeached?

[Parkbandit]

I like to pretend I'm a girl, even though I'm an ugly, hairy loser

Psssst. People who aren't queer have the ability to lead a normal life. You've established yourself as a desperate and obsessive catfishing homosexual. Remember that time you pretended to be a girl and stated that no man can tell you what to do with your uterus? Prime example, my HiV addled person I wouldn't ever want to know. You're a deluded bigot, furious at the world because you are a little girl, trapped in a hideous man body.

There's a reason you're forced to resort to personal attacks in literally every contentious topic you participate in: You can't reason your way out of a paper bag, as you've demonstrated over the course of a decade.

Kudos, though, on you and Androidpk regurgitating my earlier criticism of you as lacking self-awareness. Apparently one can teach a queer dog new tricks. Nothing about you is impressive though :(

[Parkbandit]

It's pretty bizarre to have PB talking about other people being creepy and stalker-y.

But it makes sense- it's either that or actually deal with the information on Russia/Trump collusion in this thread.

Remember when you left all upset because you were leaving for the new and improved forum?

No one missed you.. except a couple equally stupid people.

[Latrinsorm]

Hopefully, he actually investigates this instead of jumping to conclusions and ruining innocent people's lives ala 2001 anthrax debacle he ran.:lol: Twelve years in charge of the FBI and this is the best you(r puppetmasters) could do? Woof. At least throw out a "donated to HILLARY!!!1" or something.
On one hand it’s funny that you still haven’t realized that you and the rest of the tard crew are literally nothing more than entertainment for normal people.He said, on a text mud message board.

[Ashliana]

I couldn't actually come up with anything, so I (ineptly) tried to recycle what you said as if any of it somehow applied to you, which it didn't. I did manage to throw in some bigotry, though, demonstrating that you were correct, and did manage to make the same baseless claim that, despite being challenged to demonstrate dozens of times, haven't managed to substantiate once.


I know, I know, Tardbandit. It's hard to actually come up with an actual reply when you don't actually have a way to defend your actions.

[Parkbandit]

I know, I know, Tardbandit. It's hard to actually come up with an actual reply when you don't actually have a way to defend your actions.

Zero.

Self.

Awareness.

[Ashliana]

Zero.

Self.

Awareness.

https://www.ikea.com/PIAimages/0129203_PE283223_S5.JPG

[Parkbandit]

https://www.ikea.com/PIAimages/0129203_PE283223_S5.JPG

http://everystockphoto.s3.amazonaws.com/fluffy_mirror_heart_770397_o.jpg

[Ashliana]

http://everystockphoto.s3.amazonaws.com/fluffy_mirror_heart_770397_o.jpg

http://d2dcan0armyq93.cloudfront.net/photo/odai/600/37e1ba4cec9fb27fbcacc29dfcd2e42a_600.jpg

[Parkbandit]

http://d2dcan0armyq93.cloudfront.net/photo/odai/600/37e1ba4cec9fb27fbcacc29dfcd2e42a_600.jpg

http://i40.tinypic.com/fdvv9s.jpg

[time4fun]

Turns out, Trump was being investigated (https://www.thedailybeast.com/trumps-2010-latvia-venture-with-putin-supporter-was-probed-by-fbi) by the FBI over a deal in Latvia with a Putin backer:


In a previously unreported early Trump Russia investigation, the FBI was called in to probe the now-president’s role in a 2010 business venture for a luxury hotel property in Latvia with a group of businessmen and a wealthy Russian who supported Vladimir Putin, The Guardian reported.

The “Trump Plaza Riga” venture was abandoned when Latvia’s anti-corruption bureau questioned Krutoy and another businessman as part of a criminal inquiry. As part of the probe, authorities reportedly heard Trump’s name mentioned by the suspect in secret recordings they obtained. At Latvia’s request in 2015, the FBI also looked into “Trump’s interactions.” The inquiry was officially closed in 2016 with no charges filed

It's astounding how all roads seem to lead right to Russia.

I also just want to take a moment to remind everyone that the Trump campaign denied any contact with Russians during their campaign at least 20 times (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jul/11/donald-trump-russia-timeline-campaign-denials).

In fact, Jan 2017 Trump tweeted: "Russia has never tried to use leverage over me. I HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH RUSSIA - NO DEALS, NO LOANS, NO NOTHING!"

In Nov 2016, Hope Hicks stated: “There was no communication between the campaign and any foreign entity during the campaign.”

Oct 2016, Trump said: “I have nothing to do with Russia, folks, I’ll give you a written statement.” (He was still looking into a Trump Tower Moscow at that point)

And as a reminder- Trump straight up denied that there were any contacts between his campaign advisors/members and Russia during the campiagn:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGHWJiZMdOE

[cwolff]

Turns out, Trump was being investigated (https://www.thedailybeast.com/trumps-2010-latvia-venture-with-putin-supporter-was-probed-by-fbi) by the FBI over a deal in Latvia with a Putin backer:



It's astounding how all roads seem to lead right to Russia.

I also just want to take a moment to remind everyone that the Trump campaign denied any contact with Russians during their campaign at least 20 times (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jul/11/donald-trump-russia-timeline-campaign-denials).

In fact, Jan 2017 Trump tweeted: "Russia has never tried to use leverage over me. I HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH RUSSIA - NO DEALS, NO LOANS, NO NOTHING!"

In Nov 2016, Hope Hicks stated: “There was no communication between the campaign and any foreign entity during the campaign.”

Oct 2016, Trump said: “I have nothing to do with Russia, folks, I’ll give you a written statement.” (He was still looking into a Trump Tower Moscow at that point)

And as a reminder- Trump straight up denied that there were any contacts between his campaign advisors/members and Russia during the campiagn:

If nothing else I'm pissed that Russia has become such a HUGE thing in American life because of trump and that all the trumplicans, no matter how much stuff comes out about it, no matter how much trump's story changes, will ever admit they been had by a conman. They won't even admit that there's something to this whole thing. They just keep saying, "no collusion" "no collusion".

[time4fun]

If nothing else I'm pissed that Russia has become such a HUGE thing in American life because of trump and that all the trumplicans, no matter how much stuff comes out about it, no matter how much trump's story changes, will ever admit they been had by a conman. They won't even admit that there's something to this whole thing. They just keep saying, "no collusion" "no collusion".

My favorite is, "There's no evidence of collusion"

[cwolff]

My favorite is, "There's no evidence of collusion"

No doubt. Collusion was proven long ago. They seem to say, "Mueller hasn't even charged trump, therefore there is no collusion."

[Neveragain]

http://i40.tinypic.com/fdvv9s.jpg

https://media1.giphy.com/media/aZ3LDBs1ExsE8/giphy.gif

[time4fun]

No doubt. Collusion was proven long ago. They seem to say, "Mueller hasn't even charged trump, therefore there is no collusion."

In fairness, it's not at the level of proven yet. So I would have no problem if they said "You haven't proven collusion beyond a shadow of a doubt".

But the mountains of evidence of collusion are unmistakable. At this point, if there ISN'T any collusion despite everything we know- THAT would be shocking.

[cwolff]

In fairness, it's not at the level of proven yet. So I would have no problem if they said "You haven't proven collusion beyond a shadow of a doubt".

But the mountains of evidence of collusion are unmistakable. At this point, if there ISN'T any collusion despite everything we know- THAT would be shocking.

I believe it has been proven. Don Jr. colluded with Russian agents to get dirt on Hillary, denied it vehemently a month later, and one year later his father led a cover up which caused Carallo to resign in protest. Textbook collusion with the bonus of denials and coverups.

[Ashliana]

http://i40.tinypic.com/fdvv9s.jpg

https://am11.akamaized.net/med/cnt/uploads/2017/04/Screen-Shot-2017-04-27-at-12.13.18-PM-300x160.png

[time4fun]

I believe it has been proven. Don Jr. colluded with Russian agents to get dirt on Hillary, denied it vehemently a month later, and one year later his father led a cover up which caused Carallo to resign in protest. Textbook collusion with the bonus of denials and coverups.

Technically it's only illegal if they knowingly accepted aid from Russia and/or they negotiated US policy with them before Trump took office.

It's possible that the Russians never provided anything in that meeting (or as a result of it), or that the Trump campaign turned down any offers for help. That stretches the limits of belief- especially given the actions of the Trump campaign AND Russia following the meeting. But it's possible.

And technically they could say that the work they did to lift sanctions (and then to resist new ones) was done for some reason other than repaying Russia for the services it provided during the campaign. It's not proven that's why he did it. (The sanctions did actually affect his business dealings in Russia...the ones he kept denying he had) Again, it beggars belief. But it's possible.

[cwolff]

Technically it's only illegal if they knowingly accepted aid from Russia and/or they negotiated US policy with them before Trump took office.

It's possible that the Russians never provided anything in that meeting (or as a result of it), or that the Trump campaign turned down any offers for help. That stretches the limits of belief- especially given the actions of the Trump campaign AND Russia following the meeting. But it's possible.

And technically they could say that the work they did to lift sanctions (and then to resist new ones) was done for some reason other than repaying Russia for the services it provided during the campaign. It's not proven that's why he did it. (The sanctions did actually affect his business dealings in Russia...the ones he kept denying he had) Again, it beggars belief. But it's possible.

Collusion isn't illegal at all is it? It's not even a legal thing. It'd be the actions one takes while colluding that are going to violate the law. But yes, they have colluded. That ship done sailed. Now it's Mueller's job to return indictments or not regarding the whole ball of wax.

As for the meeting, they didn't have to provide anything. Like if I set up a deal to sell you an underage schoolgirl hooker but when you arrive I really just try to sell you a puppy. Puppies aren't illegal to buy, going to get yourself an underage hooker is though.

I agree that it'll be hard to hang him and it's too early to count on Mueller fixing all this and righting the ship. Honestly, I don't think he will. I think we're slipping into a Putin style "democracy" and that trump is going to come out on top. The only way, ONLY WAY, we don't lose the country is huge Mid Term turnouts. Even modest or better than modest gains by the Dems will be seen as a win for trump.

[Androidpk]

Collusion isn't illegal at all is it? It's not even a legal thing. It'd be the actions one takes while colluding that are going to violate the law. But yes, they have colluded. That ship done sailed. Now it's Mueller's job to return indictments or not regarding the whole ball of wax.

As for the meeting, they didn't have to provide anything. Like if I set up a deal to sell you an underage schoolgirl hooker but when you arrive I really just try to sell you a puppy. Puppies aren't illegal to buy, going to get yourself an underage hooker is though.

I agree that it'll be hard to hang him and it's too early to count on Mueller fixing all this and righting the ship. Honestly, I don't think he will. I think we're slipping into a Putin style "democracy" and that trump is going to come out on top. The only way, ONLY WAY, we don't lose the country is huge Mid Term turnouts. Even modest or better than modest gains by the Dems will be seen as a win for trump.

Even if they colluded there won't be any charges for it. The correct word is conspiracy. Conspiracy to defraud the US, conspiracy to obstruct justice, etc.

[time4fun]

Collusion isn't illegal at all is it? It's not even a legal thing. It'd be the actions one takes while colluding that are going to violate the law. But yes, they have colluded. That ship done sailed. Now it's Mueller's job to return indictments or not regarding the whole ball of wax.

As for the meeting, they didn't have to provide anything. Like if I set up a deal to sell you an underage schoolgirl hooker but when you arrive I really just try to sell you a puppy. Puppies aren't illegal to buy, going to get yourself an underage hooker is though.

I agree that it'll be hard to hang him and it's too early to count on Mueller fixing all this and righting the ship. Honestly, I don't think he will. I think we're slipping into a Putin style "democracy" and that trump is going to come out on top. The only way, ONLY WAY, we don't lose the country is huge Mid Term turnouts. Even modest or better than modest gains by the Dems will be seen as a win for trump.

I actually think it's going to be pretty easy- provided the investigation is allowed to continue. Mueller seems to be running up the tree at a pretty rapid pace. And he's demonstrated that he and his team are adept at flipping witnesses.

Re: childhood sex worker example: Actually, you're right on this.

Election law does prohibit the knowing receipt of something of value from a Foreign national if it's directly related to a campaign. So if the Trump campaign knew- or reasonably should have known- that Russia was providing them with tangible assistance (i.e. they were spending money/giving time and didn't fall under the volunteer exemption), technically they're in violation of the law. I've sort of put this part of the equation out of my mind for a while now because there was this big outstanding question of whether non-monetary aid in the form of hacking, etc. would trigger the Federal Election Campaign Act. But Mueller's recent IRA indictment actually clearly demonstrates that Russia was spending actual money on the efforts to help the Trump campaign. So that legal question should be rendered moot. (I'm not super up on case law with this stuff though, so grain of salt)

Typically if you become aware of (or should reasonably be aware of) an illegal contribution from a foreign national, you have to return it. You can't return the kind of aid Russia gave, but the argument would be that they didn't attempt to stop the aid and, instead, embraced it. (Remember that day when Trump got up in front of national TV and told Russia to continue to hack Clinton's email? I always thought that was going to get him in trouble at some point)

Then there's the whole conspiracy to defraud the US, Logan Act, etc- but those all involve a much higher burden of proof as far as intent goes.

[time4fun]

Even if they colluded there won't be any charges for it. The correct word is conspiracy. Conspiracy to defraud the US, conspiracy to obstruct justice, etc.

You can't have conspiracy without an underlying illegal act though.

That was part of the critique of Mueller's original indictment of Manafort. His conspiracy charges were all tied to the failure to register as a foreign agent- which was potentially flimsy given what a low level crime it was compared to the conspiracy charges.

[Androidpk]

Next week should be a busy week.

https://www.emptywheel.net/2018/03/28/mueller-prepares-to-reveal-the-first-cards-in-the-hack-and-leak-conspiracy/

[cwolff]

Next week should be a busy week.

https://www.emptywheel.net/2018/03/28/mueller-prepares-to-reveal-the-first-cards-in-the-hack-and-leak-conspiracy/

That article makes my head spin. I've lost track of the various Russians coming and going. I just hope to God that Mueller burns the whole thing down.

[Neveragain]

(Remember that day when Trump got up in front of national TV and told Russia to continue to hack Clinton's email? I always thought that was going to get him in trouble at some point)

Clinton was such a bad candidate that nobody cared.

http://static1.businessinsider.com/image/53f72aa169bedd284d6da163-960/ap090306017956.jpg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orYcAiFqknU&t=17s

[Methais]

He said, on a text mud message board.


https://youtu.be/OGZoTWebXpA

[time4fun]

Clinton was such a bad candidate that nobody cared.

http://static1.businessinsider.com/image/53f72aa169bedd284d6da163-960/ap090306017956.jpg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orYcAiFqknU&t=17s

Yeah... You're racist gutter trash. What you care about doesn't reflect what normal people care about.

[time4fun]

Next week should be a busy week.

https://www.emptywheel.net/2018/03/28/mueller-prepares-to-reveal-the-first-cards-in-the-hack-and-leak-conspiracy/

So I actually really enjoyed this post- the free-wheeling style of it and attempts to explain something that's caused a lot of hand-wringing. (Namely- Manafort's inexplicable legal defense strategy right now)

But there's a big gap in the argument. It's actually pretty unlikely that Mueller's team will need to disclose any classified information about their investigation in order to succeed against the jurisdiction-based motion to dismiss. Between publicly available information, existing case law (US v Libby- as the author points out), and the broad mandate that established the special prosecutor- there's likely more than enough information to deal with the motion.

But even if Mueller's team does end up having to present details on their legal strategy re: Manafort, there's absolutely no obligation to share that with Manafort and his attorneys. Being a plaintiff in a case against the Executive doesn't grant you defacto high level security clearance. What would likely end up happening is Mueller's team would give the judge a high level description of how Manafort fits in, and the Judge would rule with that information in mind but without having to share any of it with Manafort's team. FOIA lawyers usually try to avoid having the government disclose any classified information in their cases for this reason- it puts them at a big disadvantage.

Ultimately the Judiciary isn't going to force the Executive to compromise an ongoing investigation. When it comes to sharing classified information, they tend to side with the Executive.

So I think we're back down to three possible explanations for Manafort's obtinance:

1) He's fighting back to show Trump that he doesn't want to sell him out and is hoping Trump will extend the pardon that was dangled in front of him by Dowd
2) He's terrified of the Russian government. Steel (and what are assumed to be some of his sources) are reportedly on a GRU hit list right now for their role in things. Imagine what they'd do to Manafort if they thought he was going to talk
3) He's as much of an egotistical sociopath as we all assume he is based on the kind of work he does and is actually convinced of his own invincibility.

[Androidpk]

Manafort also knows Trump well enough not to trust him with his life, given at how quickly Trump throws people under the best to protect his own neck.

[Androidpk]

Remember when Sam Nunberg was initially refusing to cooperate with Mueller and the special counsel against Stone because he was such a great mentor to him and he considered him family?

Roger Stone: Sam Nunberg Is a ‘Lying Asshole’ and ‘Psycho’

https://www.thedailybeast.com/roger-stone-sam-nunberg-is-a-lying-asshole-and-psycho/?

[Androidpk]

Also, this happened last night, no idea who the guy is though.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/mar/30/fbi-questions-ted-malloch-trump-campaign-figure-and-farage-ally

[Wrathbringer]

Also, this happened last night, no idea who the guy is though.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/mar/30/fbi-questions-ted-malloch-trump-campaign-figure-and-farage-ally

OMGOMGOMG THIS IS IT GUYS!!!! FINALLY FOR REAL SERIOUSLY IT!!!!

[cwolff]

Remember when Sam Nunberg was initially refusing to cooperate with Mueller and the special counsel against Stone because he was such a great mentor to him and he considered him family?

Roger Stone: Sam Nunberg Is a ‘Lying Asshole’ and ‘Psycho’

https://www.thedailybeast.com/roger-stone-sam-nunberg-is-a-lying-asshole-and-psycho/?


A new report in The Guardian just confirmed the lede sentence of British intelligence officer Christopher Steele’s Trump Russia dossier, which claimed that Russian efforts to recruit Donald Trump stretched back five years before the 2016 election.
Igor Krutoy, who was a Putin campaign surrogate in this month’s Russian sham “election” and close associate of the Agalarov family, met with Donald Trump in June 2011.
The Trump Organization sent a scout to Riga, Latvia in 2010 which eventually led to the four-hour meeting that took place at Trump Tower with Krutoy, and two other Latvian businessmen who wanted to build a Vegas-style hotel and entertainment venue.

Donald Trump had begun planning his presidential campaign only two months earlier in April 2011 by commissioning polls and hiring longtime confidante Roger Stone, along with sidekick Sam Nunberg.

They keep confirming pieces of Steele's dossier. That's got to get to the trumplicans who have been saying all along that it's fake.

https://washingtonpress.com/2018/03/29/the-guardian-just-confirmed-the-trump-russia-dossiers-main-premise/

[Ashliana]

They keep confirming pieces of Steele's dossier. That's got to get to the trumplicans who have been saying all along that it's fake.

But Parkbandit, Methais and Wrathbringer are very sure that the dossier is fake news! Trump, Fox, Matt Drudge and Alex Jones told them so! Why won't you stop lying?

[Parkbandit]

But Parkbandit, Methais and Wrathbringer are very sure that the dossier is fake news! Trump, Fox, Matt Drudge and Alex Jones told them so! Why won't you stop lying?

But Ashliana, cwolff, time4fun and Androidpk are very sure that the dossier is real news! Hillary, CNN, mediamatters.com and twitter told them so! Why won't you stop lying?

https://media2.giphy.com/media/l2JeiapYMhPdGXKRa/giphy.gif

I'm going to say Ashliana is "Oppsie".

[Androidpk]

It is Parkbandits professional opinion as a hot tub installer that the dossier is totally fake and without merit.

[Wrathbringer]

But Parkbandit, Methais and Wrathbringer are very sure that the dossier is fake news! Trump, Fox, Matt Drudge and Alex Jones told them so! Why won't you stop lying?

You're retarded.

[Parkbandit]

It is Parkbandits professional opinion as a hot tub installer that the dossier is totally fake and without merit.

Well, I would most certainly take the opinion of a hot tub installer over a clerk at Goodwill.

Don't honestly know if it's true or not... and neither did the FBI in 2016 when the Obama Administration asked for and received permission by the FISA court to eavesdrop on the candidate for President of the other party during the election.

[time4fun]

It is Parkbandits professional opinion as a hot tub installer that the dossier is totally fake and without merit.

I'm guessing he's never actually read the dossier.

For the benefit of the class, the following dossier claims have been verified already:

1) Russia worked to get Trump elected: Russia DID assist the in getting the Trump campaign elected. This was one of the central premises of the dossier, and it has been confirmed by everyone who isn't Devin Nunes or Donald Trump

2) "The Trump campaign agreed to minimize US opposition to Russia's incursions into Ukraine": This is precisely what they did during the last Republican Convention when they watered down the Ukraine language. (Fun side note- prior to hiring Manafort Trump was very critical of the annexation of Crimea and said we should "Definitely do sanctions". After he hired Manafort, that changed abruptly)

3) "...the TRUMP team had agreed… to raise US/NATO defense commitments in the Baltics and Eastern Europe to deflect attention away from Ukraine, a priority for PUTIN who needed to cauterise the subject": During the campaign Trump routinely criticized NATO, said he was willing to lift Sanctions (which he tried to do immediately when he got into office), and encouraged the end of the EU.

4) Lifting Sanctions- the dossier states that the Trump campaign promised to immediately lift sanctions if Trump were elected. That's exactly what they tried to do. THAT'S why Congress passed the Russian sanctions bill, by the way. They were notified that the Trump administration was ordering the State Department to start figuring out the justification to lifting sanctions in return for literally nothing from Russia.

5) "...[the] leading Russian diplomat, Mikhail KULAGIN, had been withdrawn from Washington at short notice because Moscow feared his heavy involvement in the US presidential election operation… would be exposed in the media there" : This was confirmed by McClatchy and BBC.

6) Carter Page meeting with Rosneft: The dossier claims Carter Page met with Rosneft and was offered a sale of a significant portion of the company. Page's own Congressional testimony confirmed these things.

7) Putin/WikiLeaks: The dossier claimed that Putin was using WikiLeaks to disseminate the DNC hacked emails. This turned out to be true.


That's just what we know from public information.

So, at this point, arguing that the Steele Dossier is completely made up is 100% ridiculous. If you're making that argument, all it says about you is that 1) You have no idea what it says, 2) You aren't particularly well-read on the subject of the Russia investigation, and 3) You're recycling right-wing talking points without fact checking

[time4fun]

They keep confirming pieces of Steele's dossier. That's got to get to the trumplicans who have been saying all along that it's fake.

https://washingtonpress.com/2018/03/29/the-guardian-just-confirmed-the-trump-russia-dossiers-main-premise/

So I get the argument on this one, but technically the Guardian report doesn't confirm that Russia was recruiting Trump at that point. It just shows he already had business dealing with some of Putin's people. So could this have been their recruitment process kicking off? Absolutely. Do we know for a fact that it was? No.

[Androidpk]

Well, I would most certainly take the opinion of a hot tub installer over a clerk at Goodwill.

Sorry but I was never a clerk at Goodwill. Nice try though, D for effort.

[Wrathbringer]

I'm guessing he's never actually read the dossier.

For the benefit of the class, the following dossier claims have been verified already:

1) Russia worked to get Trump elected: Russia DID assist the in getting the Trump campaign elected. This was one of the central premises of the dossier, and it has been confirmed by everyone who isn't Devin Nunes or Donald Trump

2) "The Trump campaign agreed to minimize US opposition to Russia's incursions into Ukraine": This is precisely what they did during the last Republican Convention when they watered down the Ukraine language. (Fun side note- prior to hiring Manafort Trump was very critical of the annexation of Crimea and said we should "Definitely do sanctions". After he hired Manafort, that changed abruptly)

3) "...the TRUMP team had agreed… to raise US/NATO defense commitments in the Baltics and Eastern Europe to deflect attention away from Ukraine, a priority for PUTIN who needed to cauterise the subject": During the campaign Trump routinely criticized NATO, said he was willing to lift Sanctions (which he tried to do immediately when he got into office), and encouraged the end of the EU.

4) Lifting Sanctions- the dossier states that the Trump campaign promised to immediately lift sanctions if Trump were elected. That's exactly what they tried to do. THAT'S why Congress passed the Russian sanctions bill, by the way. They were notified that the Trump administration was ordering the State Department to start figuring out the justification to lifting sanctions in return for literally nothing from Russia.

5) "...[the] leading Russian diplomat, Mikhail KULAGIN, had been withdrawn from Washington at short notice because Moscow feared his heavy involvement in the US presidential election operation… would be exposed in the media there" : This was confirmed by McClatchy and BBC.

6) Carter Page meeting with Rosneft: The dossier claims Carter Page met with Rosneft and was offered a sale of a significant portion of the company. Page's own Congressional testimony confirmed these things.

7) Putin/WikiLeaks: The dossier claimed that Putin was using WikiLeaks to disseminate the DNC hacked emails. This turned out to be true.


That's just what we know from public information.

So, at this point, arguing that the Steele Dossier is completely made up is 100% ridiculous. If you're making that argument, all it says about you is that 1) You have no idea what it says, 2) You aren't particularly well-read on the subject of the Russia investigation, and 3) You're recycling right-wing talking points without fact checking

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[time4fun]

Also, this happened last night, no idea who the guy is though.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/mar/30/fbi-questions-ted-malloch-trump-campaign-figure-and-farage-ally

Sounds like they're triangulating on Stone.

[Parkbandit]

I'm guessing he's never actually read the dossier.

For the benefit of the class, the following dossier claims have been verified already:

1) Russia worked to get Trump elected: Russia DID assist the in getting the Trump campaign elected. This was one of the central premises of the dossier, and it has been confirmed by everyone who isn't Devin Nunes or Donald Trump

2) "The Trump campaign agreed to minimize US opposition to Russia's incursions into Ukraine": This is precisely what they did during the last Republican Convention when they watered down the Ukraine language. (Fun side note- prior to hiring Manafort Trump was very critical of the annexation of Crimea and said we should "Definitely do sanctions". After he hired Manafort, that changed abruptly)

3) "...the TRUMP team had agreed… to raise US/NATO defense commitments in the Baltics and Eastern Europe to deflect attention away from Ukraine, a priority for PUTIN who needed to cauterise the subject": During the campaign Trump routinely criticized NATO, said he was willing to lift Sanctions (which he tried to do immediately when he got into office), and encouraged the end of the EU.

4) Lifting Sanctions- the dossier states that the Trump campaign promised to immediately lift sanctions if Trump were elected. That's exactly what they tried to do. THAT'S why Congress passed the Russian sanctions bill, by the way. They were notified that the Trump administration was ordering the State Department to start figuring out the justification to lifting sanctions in return for literally nothing from Russia.

5) "...[the] leading Russian diplomat, Mikhail KULAGIN, had been withdrawn from Washington at short notice because Moscow feared his heavy involvement in the US presidential election operation… would be exposed in the media there" : This was confirmed by McClatchy and BBC.

6) Carter Page meeting with Rosneft: The dossier claims Carter Page met with Rosneft and was offered a sale of a significant portion of the company. Page's own Congressional testimony confirmed these things.

7) Putin/WikiLeaks: The dossier claimed that Putin was using WikiLeaks to disseminate the DNC hacked emails. This turned out to be true.


That's just what we know from public information.

So, at this point, arguing that the Steele Dossier is completely made up is 100% ridiculous. If you're making that argument, all it says about you is that 1) You have no idea what it says, 2) You aren't particularly well-read on the subject of the Russia investigation, and 3) You're recycling right-wing talking points without fact checking

From the same dumb cunt that said "OMG 22 DIFFERENT AGENCIES CAME TO THE SAME CONCLUSION!" after I quoted how dumb a person would have to be to believe that..

Anyone who believes that the dossier is completely true is 100% retarded... especially since they have claimed that from the very beginning.

Oh hey everyone, it's time4dum again!

[Parkbandit]

Sorry but I was never a clerk at Goodwill. Nice try though, D for effort.


I don't blame Goodwill for not making you a clerk. I certainly wouldn't trust you with money either.

[Androidpk]

I don't blame Goodwill for not making you a clerk. I certainly wouldn't trust you with money either.

Oh how little you know. Go on though, it's fun watching my stalker flail about madly while foaming at the mouth in angst.

[time4fun]

From the same dumb cunt that said "OMG 22 DIFFERENT AGENCIES CAME TO THE SAME CONCLUSION!" after I quoted how dumb a person would have to be to believe that..

Anyone who believes that the dossier is completely true is 100% retarded... especially since they have claimed that from the very beginning.

Oh hey everyone, it's time4dum again!

I'm sorry- did you have any specific information/evidence that counters literally anything I said?

And no one said the dossier was 100% true- this is a really poor attempt at a straw man argument.

You're a walking set of logical fallacies, and I honestly don't think you're even aware. You've brought a plastic butter knife to every gun fight in this thread- which is amusing but also kind of sad.

[cwolff]

I'm sorry- did you have any specific information/evidence that counters literally anything I said?

And no one said the dossier was 100% true- this is a really poor attempt at a straw man argument.

You're a walking set of logical fallacies, and I honestly don't think you're even aware. You've brought a plastic butter knife to every gun fight in this thread- which is amusing but also kind of sad.

You just got back and you're already racking up confirmed kills.

[drauz]

I'm guessing he's never actually read the dossier.

For the benefit of the class, the following dossier claims have been verified already:

1) Russia worked to get Trump elected: Russia DID assist the in getting the Trump campaign elected. This was one of the central premises of the dossier, and it has been confirmed by everyone who isn't Devin Nunes or Donald Trump

2) "The Trump campaign agreed to minimize US opposition to Russia's incursions into Ukraine": This is precisely what they did during the last Republican Convention when they watered down the Ukraine language. (Fun side note- prior to hiring Manafort Trump was very critical of the annexation of Crimea and said we should "Definitely do sanctions". After he hired Manafort, that changed abruptly)

3) "...the TRUMP team had agreed… to raise US/NATO defense commitments in the Baltics and Eastern Europe to deflect attention away from Ukraine, a priority for PUTIN who needed to cauterise the subject": During the campaign Trump routinely criticized NATO, said he was willing to lift Sanctions (which he tried to do immediately when he got into office), and encouraged the end of the EU.

4) Lifting Sanctions- the dossier states that the Trump campaign promised to immediately lift sanctions if Trump were elected. That's exactly what they tried to do. THAT'S why Congress passed the Russian sanctions bill, by the way. They were notified that the Trump administration was ordering the State Department to start figuring out the justification to lifting sanctions in return for literally nothing from Russia.

5) "...[the] leading Russian diplomat, Mikhail KULAGIN, had been withdrawn from Washington at short notice because Moscow feared his heavy involvement in the US presidential election operation… would be exposed in the media there" : This was confirmed by McClatchy and BBC.

6) Carter Page meeting with Rosneft: The dossier claims Carter Page met with Rosneft and was offered a sale of a significant portion of the company. Page's own Congressional testimony confirmed these things.

7) Putin/WikiLeaks: The dossier claimed that Putin was using WikiLeaks to disseminate the DNC hacked emails. This turned out to be true.


That's just what we know from public information.

So, at this point, arguing that the Steele Dossier is completely made up is 100% ridiculous. If you're making that argument, all it says about you is that 1) You have no idea what it says, 2) You aren't particularly well-read on the subject of the Russia investigation, and 3) You're recycling right-wing talking points without fact checking

Where have they been verified?

[Parkbandit]

I'm sorry- did you have any specific information/evidence that counters literally anything I said?

And no one said the dossier was 100% true- this is a really poor attempt at a straw man argument.

You're a walking set of logical fallacies, and I honestly don't think you're even aware. You've brought a plastic butter knife to every gun fight in this thread- which is amusing but also kind of sad.

Wait.. you talk about self awareness... but didn't you JUST type this out?


So, at this point, arguing that the Steele Dossier is completely made up is 100% ridiculous.

Was that your really poor attempt at a strawman argument or do you somehow get a free pass at making those because you are just an idiot?

[time4fun]

1) US Intelligence Agencies- including testimony under oath (http://www.latimes.com/nation/politics/trailguide/la-na-trailguide-updates-cia-director-fbi-and-cia-find-strong-1481920045-htmlstory.html).

2) The Ukraine language change was instigated by JD Gordon/Trump Campaign. (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-convention/mueller-probing-russia-contacts-at-republican-convention-sources-idUSKBN1H52VT) You should know this by now.

3) Trump repeatedly attacked NATO during his campaign and even early into his administration (https://www.theatlantic.com/news/archive/2016/07/trump-nato/492341/), and he made several remarks backing Brexit/the undoing of the EU (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/may/05/donald-trump-brexit-uk-leaving-european-union)

4) It's well-established (http://www.newsweek.com/trump-white-house-secret-efforts-lift-russia-sanctions-putin-619508) at this point that the Trump administration tried to secretly lift Russian sanctions as soon as he got into office. He also heavily criticized (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-signs-russia-sanctions-bill-but-makes-clear-hes-not-happy-about-it/2017/08/02/7a55b448-77b9-11e7-803f-a6c989606ac7_story.html?utm_term=.6c5c6fb113d2) the Russian sanctions bill passed by Congress last year.

5) As stated previously, this was verified by both McClatchy and BBC (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-39435786)

6) Carter Page's Congressional testimony- and the way it verified this (and other) claims in the dossier is also widely reported on. (http://www.businessinsider.com/carter-page-congressional-testimony-transcript-steele-dossier-2017-11)

7) And, of course, it's well established that wikileaks disseminated the hacked DNC emails (https://www.apnews.com/dea73efc01594839957c3c9a6c962b8a), and that Gucifer 2.0- the person who was providing the emails to WikiLeaks- was a Russian Intelligence Officer with the GRU. (https://www.thedailybeast.com/exclusive-lone-dnc-hacker-guccifer-20-slipped-up-and-revealed-he-was-a-russian-intelligence-officer)

Honestly, if you have been following the news you should already know all of these things.

[Parkbandit]

Oh how little you know. Go on though, it's fun watching my stalker flail about madly while foaming at the mouth in angst.

Dude. You seriously have some major delusions of grandeur, don't you?

You have absolutely NOTHING to be stalked or obsessed over.

You work at Goodwill.

You sponge off "friends".

You spend all day and night in a room.

Literally, you would be the last person on these message boards anyone would stalk or obsess over.

[drauz]

1) US Intelligence Agencies- including testimony under oath (http://www.latimes.com/nation/politics/trailguide/la-na-trailguide-updates-cia-director-fbi-and-cia-find-strong-1481920045-htmlstory.html).

2) The Ukraine language change was instigated by JD Gordon/Trump Campaign. (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-convention/mueller-probing-russia-contacts-at-republican-convention-sources-idUSKBN1H52VT) You should know this by now.

3) Trump repeatedly attacked NATO during his campaign and even early into his administration (https://www.theatlantic.com/news/archive/2016/07/trump-nato/492341/), and he made several remarks backing Brexit/the undoing of the EU (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/may/05/donald-trump-brexit-uk-leaving-european-union)

4) It's well-established (http://www.newsweek.com/trump-white-house-secret-efforts-lift-russia-sanctions-putin-619508) at this point that the Trump administration tried to secretly lift Russian sanctions as soon as he got into office. He also heavily criticized (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-signs-russia-sanctions-bill-but-makes-clear-hes-not-happy-about-it/2017/08/02/7a55b448-77b9-11e7-803f-a6c989606ac7_story.html?utm_term=.6c5c6fb113d2) the Russian sanctions bill passed by Congress last year.

5) As stated previously, this was verified by both McClatchy and BBC (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-39435786)

6) Carter Page's Congressional testimony- and the way it verified this (and other) claims in the dossier is also widely reported on. (http://www.businessinsider.com/carter-page-congressional-testimony-transcript-steele-dossier-2017-11)

7) And, of course, it's well established that wikileaks disseminated the hacked DNC emails (https://www.apnews.com/dea73efc01594839957c3c9a6c962b8a), and that Gucifer 2.0- the person who was providing the emails to WikiLeaks- was a Russian Intelligence Officer with the GRU. (https://www.thedailybeast.com/exclusive-lone-dnc-hacker-guccifer-20-slipped-up-and-revealed-he-was-a-russian-intelligence-officer)

Honestly, if you have been following the news you should already know all of these things.

I stopped following this Russian stuff a while ago, I've been sticking to waiting to see what Mueller uncovers.

A couple of those seem like connecting dots that shouldn't be connected with the facts presented.

No, need to present more I'm still just waiting to see what Mueller finds out.

[Neveragain]

Yeah... You're racist gutter trash. What you care about doesn't reflect what normal people care about.

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[time4fun]

I stopped following this Russian stuff a while ago, I've been sticking to waiting to see what Mueller uncovers.

A couple of those seem like connecting dots that shouldn't be connected with the facts presented.

No, need to present more I'm still just waiting to see what Mueller finds out.

I think the real issue here is that the fact that the Dossier seemed to predict some of the oddest stances Trump took as a candidate (lifting Russian sanctions?!? Criticizing NATO- particularly Article 5? These are both bizarre and dangerous stances for the US and its allies), uncovered the massive campaign by the Russians to put him into office, knew Russia had hacked the DNC and would use WikiLeaks to disseminate the results, knew about Page's meeting with Rosneft, etc. tells you that this is a document that needs to be taken seriously.

On top of it- Steele has an impeccable reputation among the Intelligence communities in the US and UK.

There's a reason why the right is attacking this dossier with everything they have, and why they keep lying about its veracity. There's enough public information at this point to verify several of the most important claims in it, and that alone tells us that it's very likely that the Trump campaign did, in fact, make a deal with Russia.

[Androidpk]

Dude. You seriously have some major delusions of grandeur, don't you?

You have absolutely NOTHING to be stalked or obsessed over.

You work at Goodwill.

You sponge off "friends".

You spend all day and night in a room.

Literally, you would be the last person on these message boards anyone would stalk or obsess over.

I haven't worked at Goodwill since 2013. I don't sponge off any friends. I certainly don't spend all day and night in a room. Stop obsessing over and get a life. Stop acting like a creepy old man.

[cwolff]

...
On top of it- Steele has an impeccable reputation among the Intelligence communities in the US and UK.
....

This. Steele is a damn hero. He's a patriot and an ally who's worked his adult life defending the UK and aiding U.S. intelligence too. The right attacking him the way they have is shameful.

[Parkbandit]

I haven't worked at Goodwill since 2013.

LOL.


I don't sponge off any friends.

LOL x2.


I certainly don't spend all day and night in a room.

LOL x3.


Stop obsessing over and get a life.

LOL x4.


Stop acting like a creepy old man.

LOL x5.

[Parkbandit]

This. Steele is a damn hero. He's a patriot and an ally who's worked his adult life defending the UK and aiding U.S. intelligence too. The right attacking him the way they have is shameful.

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[Ashliana]

You're retarded.

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[Wrathbringer]

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[~Rocktar~]

I think the real issue here is that the fact that the Dossier seemed to predict some of the oddest stances Trump took as a candidate (lifting Russian sanctions?!?

So, he said one thing and did another? Interesting, sounds like a standard political candidate. With your myriad of degrees and so much supposed foreign policy experience even you should recognize that.


Criticizing NATO- particularly Article 5? These are both bizarre and dangerous stances for the US and its allies),

Umm, expecting us to come to their aid when they won't meet their other treaty obligations and haven't for ridiculous periods of time, specifically not meeting their defense spending commitments, is very presumptuous on their part. Why should we live up to a treaty they refuse to abide by?


There's enough public information at this point to verify several of the most important claims in it, and that alone tells us that it's very likely that the Trump campaign did, in fact, make a deal with Russia.

Yep, a deal that includes not lifting sanctions, adding more sanctions, expelling diplomats in response to their use of chemical weapons in an assassination (wonder why we didn't go after them when they used nuclear materials to conduct an assassination previously and shelling the shit out of Russian backed mercs in Syria. Some deal.

[time4fun]

So, he said one thing and did another? Interesting, sounds like a standard political candidate. With your myriad of degrees and so much supposed foreign policy experience even you should recognize that.



Umm, expecting us to come to their aid when they won't meet their other treaty obligations and haven't for ridiculous periods of time, specifically not meeting their defense spending commitments, is very presumptuous on their part. Why should we live up to a treaty they refuse to abide by?



Yep, a deal that includes not lifting sanctions, adding more sanctions, expelling diplomats in response to their use of chemical weapons in an assassination (wonder why we didn't go after them when they used nuclear materials to conduct an assassination previously and shelling the shit out of Russian backed mercs in Syria. Some deal.

1) "He said one thing and did another"- that would be an incorrect recount of what happened. The Trump campaign DID immediately try to lift Russian sanctions that were enacted in response to the election tampering. Congress's bill was a direct response to that- to keep that from happening.

2) NATO does meet its treaty obligations, and- most importantly- NATO "just happens" to be the single biggest barrier to Russia's geopolitical dominance. But you're distracting from the actual point here- which is that 1) This is a position that is only held byPutin and the politicians that he has backed in European countries. 2) The Dossier correctly "predicted" that Trump would take a stance against NATO. Prior to Trump, no major Presidential candidates in the US have opposed NATO in any form in decades.

3) The sanctions were mandated by Congress- so that's an utterly ridiculous statement to make. The Trump administration actually went back to Congress and told them there was no need for new sanctions. Then, when politically cornered (by Mueller's indictment presumably), they levied sanctions against organizations like the IRA but not any of the Oligarchs close to Putin. The sanctions were put in place to be of minimal impact to Putin and his power. (The guy who ordered the election meddling done by the IRA)

And initially, Trump didn't bother mentioning the assassination attempt on British soil in his call with Putin. It was only after immense domestic and international pressure that he bothered mentioning it and responding. (The US was NOT the first country to expel diplomats)

And your reasoning for us not going after Russia over the nerve agent is utterly ridiculous. We damaged our relationship with our most important Ally in an effort to avoid offending our greatest geopolitical enemy. The only winner there was Russia.

I genuinely don't understand what the point of your post was. You completely and utterly distorted what has actually been going on. What is the benefit of lying about what's happening?

[Neveragain]

Honestly though, it is nice to have you back Time4fun. I'm feeling all.....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0d8FTPv955I&t=34s

[time4fun]

This. Steele is a damn hero. He's a patriot and an ally who's worked his adult life defending the UK and aiding U.S. intelligence too. The right attacking him the way they have is shameful.

Grassley and Graham should be ashamed of themselves. They should both be voted out of office for attacking someone who risked his own life to help protect our Democracy.

[~Rocktar~]

1) "He said one thing and did another"- that would be an incorrect recount of what happened. The Trump campaign DID immediately try to lift Russian sanctions that were enacted in response to the election tampering. Congress's bill was a direct response to that- to keep that from happening.

2) NATO does meet its treaty obligations, and- most importantly- NATO "just happens" to be the single biggest barrier to Russia's geopolitical dominance. But you're distracting from the actual point here- which is that 1) This is a position that is only held byPutin and the politicians that he has backed in European countries. 2) The Dossier correctly "predicted" that Trump would take a stance against NATO. Prior to Trump, no major Presidential candidates in the US have opposed NATO in any form in decades.

3) The sanctions were mandated by Congress- so that's an utterly ridiculous statement to make. The Trump administration actually went back to Congress and told them there was no need for new sanctions. Then, when politically cornered (by Mueller's indictment presumably), they levied sanctions against organizations like the IRA but not any of the Oligarchs close to Putin. The sanctions were put in place to be of minimal impact to Putin and his power. (The guy who ordered the election meddling done by the IRA)

And initially, Trump didn't bother mentioning the assassination attempt on British soil in his call with Putin. It was only after immense domestic and international pressure that he bothered mentioning it and responding. (The US was NOT the first country to expel diplomats)

And your reasoning for us not going after Russia over the nerve agent is utterly ridiculous. We damaged our relationship with our most important Ally in an effort to avoid offending our greatest geopolitical enemy. The only winner there was Russia.

I genuinely don't understand what the point of your post was. You completely and utterly distorted what has actually been going on. What is the benefit of lying about what's happening?

Before the election everyone and their brother was going on about playing nice with Russia and trying the carrot and not the stick. Hummmm, that is what Liberals/Socialists have been wanting for a long time. Most NATO members have completely NOT met their treaty obligations in regards to mandated defense spending, some of them for decades so try again. You really need to look at the sanctions as many of them directly go after Putin's buddies and money suppliers. And now you are arguing that because we didn't do the first sanctions that ours don't count. You really are a piece of work. You are almost as good at rationalizing your idiotic position as Latrin is. You need to sober up or get clean and re-read what I said about the assassination, I didn't wonder why they didn't or did, just why we didn't go after them for the nuclear assassination. Your understanding of what I said is almost as bad as your perception of reality. Seriously, put down the pipe.

[time4fun]

Before the election everyone and their brother was going on about playing nice with Russia and trying the carrot and not the stick. Hummmm, that is what Liberals/Socialists have been wanting for a long time. Most NATO members have completely NOT met their treaty obligations in regards to mandated defense spending, some of them for decades so try again. You really need to look at the sanctions as many of them directly go after Putin's buddies and money suppliers. And now you are arguing that because we didn't do the first sanctions that ours don't count. You really are a piece of work. You are almost as good at rationalizing your idiotic position as Latrin is. You need to sober up or get clean and re-read what I said about the assassination, I didn't wonder why they didn't or did, just why we didn't go after them for the nuclear assassination. Your understanding of what I said is almost as bad as your perception of reality. Seriously, put down the pipe.

Not after Russia was caught meddling in our election. You're actually talking about years prior to the election. We were attacked by Russia- they were hacking into voter registration systems, were hacking emails from the candidate they didn't like, sending bountiful resources and people to the Trump campaign, illegally spending money on ads intended to boost their chosen candidate, etc.

This really shouldn't be shocking to you, but after a country attacks you- it requires you to adjust your stance. For the first time in US history, our response to the attack was to try to do that country some favors.

As for NATO funding- you are 100% incorrect (https://www.factcheck.org/2017/12/distorted-nato-funding-figure/). I recommend that you leverage fact checking sites before you start uncritically buying political rhetoric.

When you say "the" sanctions- you are eliding two VERY different things: existing sanctions imposed by the Obama administration, and the sanctions that the Trump administration finally (after months of refusal) enacted. And the latter sanctions were incredibly weak (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/new-russia-sanctions-are-trumps-strongest-action-against-moscow--but-far-short-of-what-congress-wanted/2018/03/15/2a2f8352-2869-11e8-bc72-077aa4dab9ef_story.html?utm_term=.cfc227c459c8). In fact, some of the entities on the list were already sanctioned.

I'm genuinely curious- is this a situation where you are so holed up in right-wing news sources that you don't actually know what's going on in the world? Or is this a situation where you are intentionally distorting the facts because you think it makes for an effective argument?

[Androidpk]

As for NATO funding- you are 100% incorrect (https://www.factcheck.org/2017/12/distorted-nato-funding-figure/). I recommend that you leverage fact checking sites before you start uncritically buying political rhetoric.

Rocktar thinks Infowars is a legitimate news site. I wish I could say I was joking.

[time4fun]

Rocktar thinks Infowars is a legitimate news site. I wish I could say I was joking.

Wait...seriously?

That actually explains a lot. He always seems to think he's extremely well-informed, but his take on things is always incredibly distorted and leaves out facts that are not only important but also widely known. Then once you start bringing up those facts, he starts ranting and raving.

That's all consistent with someone who spends a lot of time reading up on the news but who relies exclusively on politically biased sources with very little regard for the truth.

[Parkbandit]

Grassley and Graham should be ashamed of themselves. They should both be voted out of office for attacking someone who risked his own life to help protect our Democracy.

You're bat shit insane.

You believe that Steele created the dossier to help protect Democracy and not to take down a political opponent for money... paid by the other political party.

You are literally Queen of the Unintelligent Excruciating Extremist Fools.

And yes, it's stinky.

[drauz]

I just saw Steele will be testifying in a libel case regarding the dossier. Someone let me know when that comes out.

[Neveragain]

Yeah... You're racist gutter trash. What you care about doesn't reflect what normal people care about.


Grassley and Graham should be ashamed of themselves. They should both be voted out of office for attacking someone who risked his own life to help protect our Democracy.

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[time4fun]

You're bat shit insane.

You believe that Steele created the dossier to help protect Democracy and not to take down a political opponent for money... paid by the other political party.

You are literally Queen of the Unintelligent Excruciating Extremist Fools.

And yes, it's stinky.

1) BOTH Republicans AND Democrats funded Steele's research. Please stop regurgitating ridiculous talking points like "This is Democratic opposition research, and therefore can't be trusted". Also Steele had no idea whom the client was at any given time during his research- which means the source of the funding is irrelevant. It's just a way for politically biased people to shift the conversation away from the actual claims in the dossier.

2) I'm talking about the part where he took his findings to the FBI. He had to go into hiding after that, and now he's on a Russian hit list. (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/russian-ex-spy-says-he-was-kremlin-hit-list-along-n860641) You've been attacking the people who are trying to help this country and are doing so in service to the people who are trading this country's security for their own political agendas.

And honey, you telling me that I'm unintelligent is a source of endless amusement. But I daresay that your time would be better spend learning to put together informed and sound arguments. Just some friendly advice.

[~Rocktar~]

Not after Russia was caught meddling in our election. You're actually talking about years prior to the election. We were attacked by Russia- they were hacking into voter registration systems, were hacking emails from the candidate they didn't like, sending bountiful resources and people to the Trump campaign, illegally spending money on ads intended to boost their chosen candidate, etc.

This really shouldn't be shocking to you, but after a country attacks you- it requires you to adjust your stance. For the first time in US history, our response to the attack was to try to do that country some favors.

As for NATO funding- you are 100% incorrect (https://www.factcheck.org/2017/12/distorted-nato-funding-figure/). I recommend that you leverage fact checking sites before you start uncritically buying political rhetoric.

When you say "the" sanctions- you are eliding two VERY different things: existing sanctions imposed by the Obama administration, and the sanctions that the Trump administration finally (after months of refusal) enacted. And the latter sanctions were incredibly weak (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/new-russia-sanctions-are-trumps-strongest-action-against-moscow--but-far-short-of-what-congress-wanted/2018/03/15/2a2f8352-2869-11e8-bc72-077aa4dab9ef_story.html?utm_term=.cfc227c459c8). In fact, some of the entities on the list were already sanctioned.

I'm genuinely curious- is this a situation where you are so holed up in right-wing news sources that you don't actually know what's going on in the world? Or is this a situation where you are intentionally distorting the facts because you think it makes for an effective argument?

If being attacked requires you to change your stance, then perhaps you can explain how we DIDN'T change after we found out that China stole our nuclear weapon secrets, specifically the plans to the M88 thermonuclear weapon under Clinton, we DIDN'T change our stance after Russia committed a nuclear attack on the UK, assassinating a person critical of Putin by nuclear poisoning and the list goes on. Seriously, you are all pissed because shit happened and your shitty candidate lost and my shitty candidate won. Now, with all this crying about Russia, Russia, Russia going on, why are you not seeking blood over Clinton getting direct payments for speaking and to the Clinton Foundation after the Uranium One deal? Or how about the payments before the Iran deal and so on. Trump so far hasn't gotten anything other than lost wealth, derision and ridicule for some supposed deal that no one can actually find any payout for. So I am going to simply class this as more of your asshurt.

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So you really quoted factcheck, a known liberal shill. Yeah.

https://www.nato.int/nato_static_fl2014/assets/pdf/pdf_2017_06/20170629_170629-pr2017-111-en.pdf

Nato's own report of who is and isn't meeting the 2% spending. Now, I checked and Bush Jr saw this as a concern and pressured Nato on it and even your beloved lord and savior Barrack Hussein Obama complained to Nato and pressured countries about it. So, simply put, bullshit. The member countries aren't meeting their commitments and haven't for a long long time. We have paid for the defense of Europe and made their Socialist utopia *cough cough uggg* ( I threw up a little in my mouth there) possible for over half a century. They need to pay up.

As to when the sanctions were put into place, if Trump immediately nailed them with sanctions you would accuse him of going too fast and not taking a measured approach, now you are accusing him of waiting too long. It's as if you didn't give a rat's ass what happened and in reality are only concerned about how you can use this to hurt Trump because again your crappy candidate lost.

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[~Rocktar~]

1) BOTH Republicans AND Democrats funded Steele's research. Please stop regurgitating ridiculous talking points like "This is Democratic opposition research, and therefore can't be trusted". Also Steele had no idea whom the client was at any given time during his research- which means the source of the funding is irrelevant. It's just a way for politically biased people to shift the conversation away from the actual claims in the dossier.

You are acting like this ex-spy is so dumb that he didn't know who was paying him and that he could not figure it out based on the info he was collecting. Pretty sure that spies are suposed to be smart.


2) I'm talking about the part where he took his findings to the FBI. He had to go into hiding after that, and now he's on a Russian hit list. (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/russian-ex-spy-says-he-was-kremlin-hit-list-along-n860641) You've been attacking the people who are trying to help this country and are doing so in service to the people who are trading this country's security for their own political agendas.

OOOO, this is rich. He likely is on a hit list, and if he worked for the British intelligence agency and was somewhat successful then he probably did piss off the Soviets and then the Russians but somehow his being on the list is all because of this dossier. Righhhhttttttt. And then you complain about people doing things for their own political agenda in a supremely hypocritical bent. Uranium One, Iran deal, the list goes on yet I don't remember hearing your tears over those.


And honey, you telling me that I'm unintelligent is a source of endless amusement. But I daresay that your time would be better spend learning to put together informed and sound arguments. Just some friendly advice.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C_exCCaXsAE19H0.jpg

A sexist diminutive followed by condescending advice by a raging Liberal/Socialist hypocrite with a massive case of elitist narcissism. You are the gift that keeps on giving.

[Wrathbringer]

1) BOTH Republicans AND Democrats funded Steele's research. Please stop regurgitating ridiculous talking points like "This is Democratic opposition research, and therefore can't be trusted". Also Steele had no idea whom the client was at any given time during his research- which means the source of the funding is irrelevant. It's just a way for politically biased people to shift the conversation away from the actual claims in the dossier.

2) I'm talking about the part where he took his findings to the FBI. He had to go into hiding after that, and now he's on a Russian hit list. (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/russian-ex-spy-says-he-was-kremlin-hit-list-along-n860641) You've been attacking the people who are trying to help this country and are doing so in service to the people who are trading this country's security for their own political agendas.

And honey, you telling me that I'm unintelligent is a source of endless amusement. But I daresay that your time would be better spend learning to put together informed and sound arguments. Just some friendly advice.

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[Parkbandit]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C_exCCaXsAE19H0.jpg

A sexist diminutive followed by condescending advice by a raging Liberal/Socialist hypocrite with a massive case of elitist narcissism. You are the gift that keeps on giving.

You forgot toxic cunt.

[time4fun]

So first- if you have to use giant gifs to make your point- you don't have a point worth making. As is typical of your responses- there's a lot of half truth and distortion here. I'll tease these out for you:

1) Litvineko (irrelevant comparison): the US immediately participated in the investigation with the UK and supported their extradition requests. The Obama administration also put the suspected murderers on the sanctions list before they left. Contrast that with Trump- who called Putin up, refused to discuss the poisoning, and congratulated him on his recent sham election. Also note that, unlike in 2006, the US is currently being attacked by Russia: hacking critical resource systems, voter registration systems, etc. That wasn't going on in 2006, and the US still had a stronger initial stance.

2) Chinese Nuclear Secrets (irrelevant comparison): They stole IP. They didn't meddle in our elections, fire on our soldiers, hack into our resource systems, etc. And our President certainly didn't respond by getting up in front of the world and talking about how great the leader of China is.

3) Uranium One Deal (inaccurate): This has been fact checked over (https://www.factcheck.org/2017/10/facts-uranium-one/) and over again- including by Fox News (https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2017/11/15/fncs_shep_smith_hillary_clinton_had_nothing_to_do_ with_uranium_one_sale.html). If you used real sources, you would know that by now.

4) NATO (distortions): Your initial claim was that NATO countries aren't meeting their treaty obligations. The 2% isn't a current treaty obligation- it was a goal that various NATO countries agreed to meet BY 2024. If you had read the fact checking article I linked- you'd have known that. None of the NATO countries are in violation of their financial treaty obligations right now. And if you think fact check is a "liberal shill site" then surely you would have no problem engaging with the actual claims in the article as well as the evidence. I mean, someone as insightful and well-informed as you should have no problem doing so. Otherwise, you're just refusing to acknowledge information that counters your worldview.

5) How I would react to Trump implementing sanctions (inaccurate/distortion/irrelevant comparison): First: Sanctions were already enacted- for the election meddling. The point I made was that Trump's administration immediately tried to lift those sanctions when they arrived. You'll notice that's exactly what the dossier said he would do. And no reasonable world leader would immediately lift punishment against a country for trying to upend their democracy with no concessions/behavior changes from the sanctioned country. So your trying to make a hypothetical involving Trump enacting sanctions is irrelevant- the example was about him trying to lift sanctions. Second- your speculation on what I would do is A) not an actual fact and B) is based on no actual evidence. (like most of your arguments)

[time4fun]

You are acting like this ex-spy is so dumb that he didn't know who was paying him and that he could not figure it out based on the info he was collecting. Pretty sure that spies are suposed to be smart.

The leader of Fusion GPS testified under oath that it was their policy not to inform the researchers of the client. And there's no reason for Steele to have cared. Also, given that the project was funded by BOTH Republicans AND Democrats- it's pretty clear that there's no obvious source of that funding.




OOOO, this is rich. He likely is on a hit list, and if he worked for the British intelligence agency and was somewhat successful then he probably did piss off the Soviets and then the Russians but somehow his being on the list is all because of this dossier. Righhhhttttttt. And then you complain about people doing things for their own political agenda in a supremely hypocritical bent. Uranium One, Iran deal, the list goes on yet I don't remember hearing your tears over those.

Yeah...your assessment is much more valid than the former GRU spy and his contacts in the GRU. There's literally nothing you just said that was remotely factual.






A sexist diminutive followed by condescending advice by a raging Liberal/Socialist hypocrite with a massive case of elitist narcissism. You are the gift that keeps on giving.

Again, nothing factual. This just shows your political hysteria. You would be doing yourself a huge favor if you started diversifying your news sources.

[Methais]

Dude. You seriously have some major delusions of grandeur, don't you?

You have absolutely NOTHING to be stalked or obsessed over.

You work at Goodwill.

You sponge off "friends".

You spend all day and night in a room.

Literally, you would be the last person on these message boards anyone would stalk or obsess over.

“Stalker” is simply pk’s version of playing the race card, which he can’t do because he’s white, so this is the next best thing he could come up with.

It’s pretty funny watching cwolff spread his ass cheeks over everything time4tard barfs up before clicking her post button though. It’s almost like Backlash has a little brother posting here.

You 3 idiots are quite unintentionally entertaining, and I would like to formally request that you keep it up.

[Latrinsorm]

“Stalker” is simply pk’s version of playing the race card, which he can’t do because he’s white, so this is the next best thing he could come up with.

It’s pretty funny watching cwolff spread his ass cheeks over everything time4tard barfs up before clicking her post button though. It’s almost like Backlash has a little brother posting here.

You 3 idiots are quite unintentionally entertaining, and I would like to formally request that you keep it up.We really need to work on your mixed metaphors.

[Methais]

And honey,

Reported for sexual harassment. No means no, what part of that don’t you understand?

[Methais]

I really need to work on getting less razor burns on my legs, so they can be extra silky smooth like on TV.

Perhaps one of those Venus razors I see commercials for might help.

[Latrinsorm]

Perhaps one of those Venus razors I see commercials for might help.I have good skin for not getting razor burn. Not sure why, but I've never had it no matter where I shave.

Ha ha-ha, I guess?

[Wrathbringer]

I have good skin for not getting razor burn. Not sure why, but I've never had it no matter where I shave.

Ha ha-ha, I guess?

::Homer Simpson slowly backing into the hedge gif here::

[Parkbandit]

Again, nothing factual. This just shows your political hysteria. You would be doing yourself a huge favor if you started diversifying your news sources.

Seriously. Do you even realize what a flaming hypocritical bitch you are?

[time4fun]

Seriously. Do you even realize what a flaming hypocritical bitch you are?

You sound upset again. That's typically the sign that you've lost on the fact front and on the rhetorical front.

I suppose that explains why you always seem so upset.

[Parkbandit]

You sound upset again. That's typically the sign that you've lost on the fact front and on the rhetorical front.

I suppose that explains why you always seem so upset.

Sorry... guys just don't get "upset" over things as easily as girls do. Real events can easily trigger unstable females like you... like Presidential elections not going your way.

Calling you a hypocritical dumb cunt is me simply stating fact. Nothing more. There is literally zero emotion attached to it.

Sorry I make you cry sometimes, but that's more about you being a mentally unstable female.

I hear you can take drugs to make you less emotional. You should try as many as you can.

[Neveragain]

So first- if you have to use giant gifs to make your point- you don't have a point worth making.

I confess, I mostly just reply with gifs now because you and your ilk have been spewing the same rhetoric for over a year. You have no message but "Hate Trump", those tears are going to be cold come November.

Your party offers NOTHING to the middle class, they cared less about the Russians than they did about your shit candidate. As long as your party celebrates killing the child in the womb, your cries of compassion will never be taken seriously.

Happy Easter!

[drauz]

I confess, I mostly just reply with gifs now because you and your ilk have been spewing the same rhetoric for over a year. You have no message but "Hate Trump", those tears are going to be cold come November.

Your party offers NOTHING to the middle class, they cared less about the Russians than they did about your shit candidate. As long as your party celebrates killing the child in the womb, your cries of compassion will never be taken seriously.

Happy Easter!

The vast majority don't celebrate it. This is the same as saying to Republicans "As long as your party celebrates keeping black people down, you cries for compassion will never be taken seriously". You can't take a few fringe elements and paint everyone with it, it solves nothing.

[drauz]

The bar is set too low then. It’s a living human being, a child, whether or not you throw confetti into the air and cheer or you act solemn the killing is done. That makes you complicit even if you didn’t “enjoy” it.

I'm not having the debate about when life begins again, it just turns into a circular argument for both sides. The science hasn't been decided. I would have a lot easier time believing they care about lives if most of them didn't come from death penalty states.

[RichardCranium]

The bar is set too low then. It’s a living human being, a child, whether or not you throw confetti into the air and cheer or you act solemn the killing is done. That makes you complicit even if you didn't "enjoy" it.

Wait, so if I don't agree with abortion (I don't, except in certain cases) but I absolutely believe in a woman's right to choose (I do) then that makes me complicit in every abortion?

Fuck you.

[Neveragain]

The vast majority don't celebrate it. This is the same as saying to Republicans "As long as your party celebrates keeping black people down, you cries for compassion will never be taken seriously". You can't take a few fringe elements and paint everyone with it, it solves nothing.

Then the Democrats should have no hesitations in passing legislation that recognizes the child in the womb as an individual protected under our constitution. Just like they shouldn't of had a problem recognizing black people as human beings over 150 years ago.

[drauz]

Then the Democrats should have no hesitations in passing legislation that recognizes the child in the womb as an individual protected under our constitution. Just like they shouldn't of had a problem recognizing black people as human beings over 150 years ago.

I said they don't celebrate it not that they don't support a woman's right to choose. One doesn't equal the other. We aren't talking about 150 years ago are we? We are talking about today, right? I think a lot of their policies end up hurting black people but I don't think they have bad intentions at heart.

[Parkbandit]

Then the Democrats should have no hesitations in passing legislation that recognizes the child in the womb as an individual protected under our constitution. Just like they shouldn't of had a problem recognizing black people as human beings over 150 years ago.

When unborn children in the womb can vote, you will see the Democrat Party begin to pass legislation.

It's all about them voting blocks!

[Neveragain]

I said they don't celebrate it not that they don't support a woman's right to choose. One doesn't equal the other. We aren't talking about 150 years ago are we? We are talking about today, right? I think a lot of their policies end up hurting black people but I don't think they have bad intentions at heart.

Here is the problem with your analogy. When a fringe group claiming to be Republican marches to keep blacks down (honestly this is something I have never experienced in person) the overwhelming majority of Republicans renounce those groups. When the fringe left screeches about the need to kill innocent children the Democrat party defends the killing, says things like "a woman's right to choose" and ignores that at least half of those being killed are female. Then to place a cherry on top of the human flesh sunday the Democrats tell me I don't have a right to make my own healthcare choices.

There's something fucked here dude. For every 1 white abortion there are nearly 5 black abortions, blacks only making up roughly 13% of the population. If we replace the word abortion with incarceration rates the left loses their fucking minds, blacks killing their own future and the Democrats raise money for it.

[time4fun]

Here is the problem with your analogy. When a fringe group claiming to be Republican marches to keep blacks down (honestly this is something I have never experienced in person) the overwhelming majority of Republicans renounce those groups.

Possibly the most astounding case of cognitive dissonance I have ever encountered.

You're a white nationalist. You are a member of the text book definition of a racist fringe group.

[Neveragain]

Possibly the most astounding case of cognitive dissonance I have ever encountered.

You're a white nationalist. You are a member of the text book definition of a racist fringe group.

This is likeTHE dumbest retort you could have possibly chosen to make. Everyone is dumber for listening to you.

Democrat convention:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTHBEbivfZI

[time4fun]

Brutal. But I kind of agree.

So let's list this out:

1) Democrats support raising taxes on the wealthy to ensure that we can pay for the social services required by the middle class while Republicans keep passing legislation that's bankrupting our country to give massive handouts to the wealthy

2) Democrats believe in spending more money on public education, which is required by the middle class while Republicans believe in gutting public education in favor of homeschooling and private religious schools

3) Democrats believe in raising the minimum wage so that people who work 40 hours a week can afford a place to live and to raise their children, while Republicans have been (falsely) arguing for decades that it's a bad idea

4) Democrats believe in enhancing consumer protections- ala the Consumer Protection Bureau- while Republicans have fought the Bureau every step of the way and recently rolled back protections that made it easier for consumers to hold banks accountable for taking advantage of them.

5) Democrats believe that Citizens United should be overturned so that the wealthiest people don't end up with 90% of the political voice- Republican-appointed Justices are the ones who made that horrendous decision happen

6) Democrats are the ones who fought Republicans after the Great Recession to keep unemployment insurance benefits (remember how Republicans were willing to shut the US government down to avoid paying out unemployment insurance?)

7) Democrats believe that income inequality is an issue we actually need to face- Republicans call that "class warfare"

8) Democrats are pushing for legislation to make it easier to unionize- so works are continually at a disadvantage in negotiations with their employers while Republicans keep passing legislation to attack and disband unions

9) Democrats passed legislation that led to the lowest rate of uninsured Americans in the history of our country, with subsidies that basically applied to most household making less than 100k (and got medicaid coverage for millions of poor people) while Republicans have done *everything* in their power to make the law fail (blocking funding intended to keep costs down, trying to repeal it at every chance, refusing the medicaid expansion, etc)

10) Democrats are the only reason why we still have Social Security and Medicare- which the middle class relies on to survive when they're older. Republicans routinely make a campaign issue out of gutting both programs

11) Democrats are the ones who pushed for regulation of Wall Street to prevent another crash, and Republicans just rolled them back again


I'm sorry, but at this point- if you think Democrats have nothing to offer the middle class and instead trust Republicans- then you're spending too much time listening to political rhetoric and not enough time actually watching what everyone is doing.

[Wrathbringer]

So let's list this out:

1) Democrats support raising taxes on the wealthy to ensure that we can pay for the social services required by the middle class while Republicans keep passing legislation that's bankrupting our country to give massive handouts to the wealthy

2) Democrats believe in spending more money on public education, which is required by the middle class while Republicans believe in gutting public education in favor of homeschooling and private religious schools

3) Democrats believe in raising the minimum wage so that people who work 40 hours a week can afford a place to live and to raise their children, while Republicans have been (falsely) arguing for decades that it's a bad idea

4) Democrats believe in enhancing consumer protections- ala the Consumer Protection Bureau- while Republicans have fought the Bureau every step of the way and recently rolled back protections that made it easier for consumers to hold banks accountable for taking advantage of them.

5) Democrats believe that Citizens United should be overturned so that the wealthiest people don't end up with 90% of the political voice- Republican-appointed Justices are the ones who made that horrendous decision happen

6) Democrats are the ones who fought Republicans after the Great Recession to keep unemployment insurance benefits (remember how Republicans were willing to shut the US government down to avoid paying out unemployment insurance?)

7) Democrats believe that income inequality is an issue we actually need to face- Republicans call that "class warfare"

8) Democrats are pushing for legislation to make it easier to unionize- so works are continually at a disadvantage in negotiations with their employers while Republicans keep passing legislation to attack and disband unions

9) Democrats passed legislation that led to the lowest rate of uninsured Americans in the history of our country, with subsidies that basically applied to most household making less than 100k (and got medicaid coverage for millions of poor people) while Republicans have done *everything* in their power to make the law fail (blocking funding intended to keep costs down, trying to repeal it at every chance, refusing the medicaid expansion, etc)

10) Democrats are the only reason why we still have Social Security and Medicare- which the middle class relies on to survive when they're older. Republicans routinely make a campaign issue out of gutting both programs

11) Democrats are the ones who pushed for regulation of Wall Street to prevent another crash, and Republicans just rolled them back again


I'm sorry, but at this point- if you think Democrats have nothing to offer the middle class and instead trust Republicans- then you're spending too much time listening to political rhetoric and not enough time actually watching what everyone is doing.

TL;DR and

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[drauz]

Here is the problem with your analogy. When a fringe group claiming to be Republican marches to keep blacks down (honestly this is something I have never experienced in person) the overwhelming majority of Republicans renounce those groups. When the fringe left screeches about the need to kill innocent children the Democrat party defends the killing, says things like "a woman's right to choose" and ignores that at least half of those being killed are female. Then to place a cherry on top of the human flesh sunday the Democrats tell me I don't have a right to make my own healthcare choices.

There's something fucked here dude. For every 1 white abortion there are nearly 5 black abortions, blacks only making up roughly 13% of the population. If we replace the word abortion with incarceration rates the left loses their fucking minds, blacks killing their own future and the Democrats raise money for it.

There's no point in arguing with you, you can't see anyone else's point.

[Neveragain]

So let's list this out:

1) Democrats support raising taxes on the wealthy to ensure that we can pay for the social services required by the middle class while Republicans keep passing legislation that's bankrupting our country to give massive handouts to the wealthy

2) Democrats believe in spending more money on public education, which is required by the middle class while Republicans believe in gutting public education in favor of homeschooling and private religious schools

3) Democrats believe in raising the minimum wage so that people who work 40 hours a week can afford a place to live and to raise their children, while Republicans have been (falsely) arguing for decades that it's a bad idea

4) Democrats believe in enhancing consumer protections- ala the Consumer Protection Bureau- while Republicans have fought the Bureau every step of the way and recently rolled back protections that made it easier for consumers to hold banks accountable for taking advantage of them.

5) Democrats believe that Citizens United should be overturned so that the wealthiest people don't end up with 90% of the political voice- Republican-appointed Justices are the ones who made that horrendous decision happen

6) Democrats are the ones who fought Republicans after the Great Recession to keep unemployment insurance benefits (remember how Republicans were willing to shut the US government down to avoid paying out unemployment insurance?)

7) Democrats believe that income inequality is an issue we actually need to face- Republicans call that "class warfare"

8) Democrats are pushing for legislation to make it easier to unionize- so works are continually at a disadvantage in negotiations with their employers while Republicans keep passing legislation to attack and disband unions

9) Democrats passed legislation that led to the lowest rate of uninsured Americans in the history of our country, with subsidies that basically applied to most household making less than 100k (and got medicaid coverage for millions of poor people) while Republicans have done *everything* in their power to make the law fail (blocking funding intended to keep costs down, trying to repeal it at every chance, refusing the medicaid expansion, etc)

10) Democrats are the only reason why we still have Social Security and Medicare- which the middle class relies on to survive when they're older. Republicans routinely make a campaign issue out of gutting both programs

11) Democrats are the ones who pushed for regulation of Wall Street to prevent another crash, and Republicans just rolled them back again


I'm sorry, but at this point- if you think Democrats have nothing to offer the middle class and instead trust Republicans- then you're spending too much time listening to political rhetoric and not enough time actually watching what everyone is doing.

12) Democrats support killing children in the womb.

https://media0.giphy.com/media/15BuyagtKucHm/giphy.gif

[time4fun]

Sorry... guys just don't get "upset" over things as easily as girls do. Real events can easily trigger unstable females like you... like Presidential elections not going your way.

Calling you a hypocritical dumb cunt is me simply stating fact. Nothing more. There is literally zero emotion attached to it.

Sorry I make you cry sometimes, but that's more about you being a mentally unstable female.

I hear you can take drugs to make you less emotional. You should try as many as you can.

Well, let's see. Someone who is persistently upset might, for example, call someone a bitch, call someone else a stalker, and then accuse others of being creepy in an internet forum all in the same 24 hours or so. They might regularly resort to name calling and obscenities when they hear something in a political debate they don't like- finding themselves incapable of handling information they don't agree with. It might be a standard occurrence, for example, for that person to insult several people a day.

That person might also spend an inordinate amount of their time in a game forum for a game they haven't played in years, using their accounts to give negative rep to anyone they don't agree with. They might even regularly revisit 6 month old posts to continue to register their displeasure via the rep system in order to feel a sense of relief.

Of course- that really only describes one person on these forums. The single most perennially upset person on said forum.

Presumably the most perennially upset in his own life.

[drauz]

So let's list this out:

1) Democrats support raising taxes on the wealthy to ensure that we can pay for the social services required by the middle class while Republicans keep passing legislation that's bankrupting our country to give massive handouts to the wealthy

2) Democrats believe in spending more money on public education, which is required by the middle class while Republicans believe in gutting public education in favor of homeschooling and private religious schools

3) Democrats believe in raising the minimum wage so that people who work 40 hours a week can afford a place to live and to raise their children, while Republicans have been (falsely) arguing for decades that it's a bad idea

4) Democrats believe in enhancing consumer protections- ala the Consumer Protection Bureau- while Republicans have fought the Bureau every step of the way and recently rolled back protections that made it easier for consumers to hold banks accountable for taking advantage of them.

5) Democrats believe that Citizens United should be overturned so that the wealthiest people don't end up with 90% of the political voice- Republican-appointed Justices are the ones who made that horrendous decision happen

6) Democrats are the ones who fought Republicans after the Great Recession to keep unemployment insurance benefits (remember how Republicans were willing to shut the US government down to avoid paying out unemployment insurance?)

7) Democrats believe that income inequality is an issue we actually need to face- Republicans call that "class warfare"

8) Democrats are pushing for legislation to make it easier to unionize- so works are continually at a disadvantage in negotiations with their employers while Republicans keep passing legislation to attack and disband unions

9) Democrats passed legislation that led to the lowest rate of uninsured Americans in the history of our country, with subsidies that basically applied to most household making less than 100k (and got medicaid coverage for millions of poor people) while Republicans have done *everything* in their power to make the law fail (blocking funding intended to keep costs down, trying to repeal it at every chance, refusing the medicaid expansion, etc)

10) Democrats are the only reason why we still have Social Security and Medicare- which the middle class relies on to survive when they're older. Republicans routinely make a campaign issue out of gutting both programs

11) Democrats are the ones who pushed for regulation of Wall Street to prevent another crash, and Republicans just rolled them back again


I'm sorry, but at this point- if you think Democrats have nothing to offer the middle class and instead trust Republicans- then you're spending too much time listening to political rhetoric and not enough time actually watching what everyone is doing.

There are quite a few half truths and personal opinions in there.

[Neveragain]

There's no point in arguing with you, you can't see anyone else's point.

The other point is "let's kill children in the womb to make our life better, vote for us" it's probably not going to happen. I'm CRAZY like that.

[drauz]

I'm CRAZY like that.

No, you're just religious. I think of it more like conned.

[Neveragain]

No, you're just religious. I think of it more like conned.

How have I been conned? What has been taken from me by my religion, if anything my life has been improved by taking in the world from more than a single view. My religious view really plays a very small part in my stand, it's my trust in science that provides me with the evidence that we're killing innocent humans.

If the subject is looked at from a purely biological position abortion becomes even more illogical, ultimately without a spiritual or religious twist, fucking and making babies is why we exist.

[Androidpk]

Neveragain truly cares about all life. Which is why he advocated for carpet bombing the Middle East with nukes.

[Androidpk]

Well, let's see. Someone who is persistently upset might, for example, call someone a bitch, call someone else a stalker, and then accuse others of being creepy in an internet forum all in the same 24 hours or so. They might regularly resort to name calling and obscenities when they hear something in a political debate they don't like- finding themselves incapable of handling information they don't agree with. It might be a standard occurrence, for example, for that person to insult several people a day.

That person might also spend an inordinate amount of their time in a game forum for a game they haven't played in years, using their accounts to give negative rep to anyone they don't agree with. They might even regularly revisit 6 month old posts to continue to register their displeasure via the rep system in order to feel a sense of relief.

Of course- that really only describes one person on these forums. The single most perennially upset person on said forum.

Presumably the most perennially upset in his own life.

+1

[Neveragain]

Neveragain truly cares about all life. Which is why he advocated for carpet bombing the Middle East with nukes.

That's not at all what I said, was it?

That aside, leave it to a flaming liberal to compare a completely innocent child to the threat of an area of the world that is home to people that want to kill us.

"Killing children in the womb is totally cool, the terrorists are off limits though." ~ Androidpk

[time4fun]

There are quite a few half truths and personal opinions in there.

Do tell.

[Androidpk]

That's not at all what I said, was it?

Yes, it is.




That aside, leave it to a flaming liberal to compare a completely innocent child to the threat of an area of the world that is home to people that want to kill us.

"Killing children in the womb is totally cool, the terrorists are off limits though." ~ Androidpk

Maybe if you weren't a giant fucking coward of a hypocrite you would have joined the military and you would have deployed to the ME and have realized that most people in the Middle East are good people who most certainly don't hate America. But no, you're a piece of shit racist hiding in your moms basement spewing your hate on online forums.

[Neveragain]

Yes, it is.



Maybe if you weren't a giant fucking coward of a hypocrite you would have joined the military and you would have deployed to the ME and have realized that most people in the Middle East are good people who most certainly don't hate America. But no, you're a piece of shit racist hiding in your moms basement spewing your hate on online forums.

Ok, so let me get this straight. I'm a fucking coward because I didn't join the military to go overseas to kill people in the middle east, but, I'm a racist because I support doing what it takes to win a war. That being the complete devastation of your enemy until they beg on their knees?

My only answer to this would be, it's not racism. It's an acceptance and understanding that this ugly truth is what it takes to win a war, if we don't hate our enemy to this extent then we have no business being in a war at all. 17 years and going.

[Jeril]

Ok, so let me get this straight. I'm a fucking coward because I didn't join the military to go overseas to kill people in the middle east, but, I'm a racist because I support doing what it takes to win a war. That being the complete devastation of your enemy until they beg on their knees?

My only answer to this would be, it's not racism. It's an acceptance and understanding that this ugly truth is what it takes to win a war, if we don't hate our enemy to this extent then we have no business being in a war at all. 17 years and going.

You shouldn't hate people, even if they are your enemy. You also don't have to hate them to utterly defeat them, which is quite small minded of you.

[Neveragain]

You shouldn't hate people, even if they are your enemy. You also don't have to hate them to utterly defeat them, which is quite small minded of you.

Hate is the best word I could muster to describe my feelings towards people that flew jet airliners into skyscrapers and the Pentagon, attacked England, France, Germany. I'm sorry they have decided to make their home the middle east, if it were Aussies the feelings would be the same.

[Jeril]

Hate is the best word I could muster to describe my feelings towards people that flew jet airliners into skyscrapers and the Pentagon, attacked England, France, Germany. I'm sorry they have decided to make their home the middle east, if it were Aussies the feelings would be the same.

Why quote me if you aren't going to respond to anything I typed? I can understand hate and anger being ones first reaction to such things but years have gone by, if your feelings haven't evolved past that it just makes me feel sorry for you.

[Neveragain]

Why quote me if you aren't going to respond to anything I typed? I can understand hate and anger being ones first reaction to such things but years have gone by, if your feelings haven't evolved past that it just makes me feel sorry for you.

You mean years of endless terrorism have gone by? This is just France.

Date Type Dead Injured Location and description
20 July 2003 Bombing 0 16 Double attack against the regional directorates of customs and the treasury in Nice, claimed by the National Liberation Front of Corsica (FLNC).[1]
8 October 2004 Bombing 0 10 Bomb attack against the Indonesian Embassy in Paris, claimed by the Front islamique français armé.
1 December 2007 Shooting 2 0 Killing of two members of the Spanish Civil Guard carrying out surveillance against ETA members in Capbreton, Landes.[1]
16 March 2010 Shooting 1 0 A French policeman was shot dead by members of ETA when he stopped their car at a routine checkpoint at Dammarie Les Lys, outside of Paris.[24]
11-22 March 2012 Shooting 7 5 Toulouse and Montauban shootings, murders of three French paratroopers, and a French Rabbi and three French schoolchildren (aged eight, six and three), carried out over a period of 11 days by Mohammed Merah.[1]
23 May 2013 Stabbing 0 1 2013 La Défense attack by an Islamist knifeman against a French soldier in the Paris suburb of La Défense.
20 December 2014 Stabbing 1 3 2014 Tours police station stabbing. A man yelling "Allahu Akbar" attacked a police office in Joué-lès-Tours with a knife. He was killed and 3 police officers were injured.
7-9 January 2015 Shooting 17 22 January 2015 Île-de-France attacks, a mass shooting at the antifascist satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo office in Paris, carried out by Saïd and Chérif Kouachi, two Islamist gunmen who identified themselves as belonging to Al-Qaeda in Yemen.[1] During this period, a third Islamist gunman and close friend of the Kouachi brothers, Amedy Coulibaly was responsible for two shootings and an hostage taking at a Hypercacher kosher market. He said he synchronized his attacks with the Kouachi brothers. Coulibaly had pledged allegiance to the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant.
3 February 2015 Stabbing 0 3 3 military men, guarding a Jewish community center in Nice, are attacked by Moussa Coulibaly (not related to the January Coulibaly attacks).
19 April 2015 Shooting 1 0 Unsuccessful attack against 2 churches in Villejuif by an Algerian jihadist. He killed a woman probably when trying to steal her car but accidentally shot himself in the leg, putting an end to his plans.[25]
26 June 2015 Beheading 1 2 Saint-Quentin-Fallavier attack. An Islamist delivery driver probably linked to ISIS decapitated a man and rammed a company van into gas cylinders at the Air Products gas factory in an attempt to blow up the building.
21 August 2015 Shooting and stabbing 0 4 2015 Thalys train attack. An attempted mass shooting occurred on a train traveling from Amsterdam to Paris. Four people were injured, including the assailant who was subdued by other passengers.[26]
13-14 November 2015 Shootings, hostage taking and suicide bombings 130 368 November 2015 Paris attacks. The single deadliest terrorist attack in French history. Multiple shooting and grenade attacks occurred on a Friday night; among the locations targeted were a music venue, sports stadium and several bar and restaurant terraces. 90 persons were killed during a siege at an Eagles of Death Metal concert inside the Bataclan. French president François Hollande evacuated from a football match between France and Germany at the Stade de France, venue for the UEFA Euro 2016 Final, after three separate suicide bombings over the course of about 40 minutes. ISIS claimed responsibility for the attacks and President Hollande named the Paris attacks an "'act of war'".[27]
1 January 2016 Vehicle ramming 0 2 A man rammed his car twice into 4 soldiers protecting a mosque in Valence. He said he wanted to kill troops and jihadi propaganda images were found on his computer.[28]
7 January 2016 Stabbing 1 0 January 2016 Paris police station attack, a jihadist wearing a fake explosive belt attacked police officers in the Goutte d'Or district in Paris with a meat cleaver, while shouting "Allahu Akbar". He was shot dead and one policeman receiving injuries. The ISIS flag and a clearly written claim in Arabic,[clarification needed] were found on the attacker.[29][unreliable source?]
13 June 2016 Stabbing 2 0 2016 Magnanville stabbing, a police officer and his wife, a police secretary, were stabbed to death in their home in Magnanville by a jihadist. ISIS claimed responsibility.
14 July 2016 Vehicle ramming 86 434 A 19 tonne cargo truck was deliberately driven into crowds celebrating Bastille Day on the Promenade des Anglais in Nice. The driver was Mohamed Lahouaiej-Bouhlel, a Tunisian resident of France. The attack ended following an exchange of gunfire, during which Lahouaiej-Bouhlel was shot and killed by police.
19 July 2016 Stabbing 0 4 An Islamist staying in a holiday resort, in Garda-Colombe, attacked a family of four with a kitchen knife. He told prosecutors he was offended by their lack of suitable clothing.
26 July 2016 Stabbing 1 (+2) 1 2016 Normandy church attack, two terrorists attacked a church during a mass, killing an 86-year-old priest. ISIS claimed responsibility.
19 August 2016 Stabbing 0 1 A rabbi was stabbed in Strasbourg by a man reportedly shouting Allahu Akbar.
30 August 2016 Stabbing 0 1 A policeman was wounded in a melee attack in a police station. The assailant was arrested by other policemen. He tried to kill the policeman because "It represents France".[143]
2 September 2016 Stabbing 0 (+1) 2 A 29-year-old attacker injured a nurse and police were called to the scene, upon which a policewoman was seriously injured. The perpetrator was shot dead by another officer and the incident is being described as a 'terrorist incident'.[8]
4 September 2016 Stabbing 0 2 A prisoner in a radicalization prevention unit wounded two prison officers. The detainee first assaulted a supervisor with an artisanal weapon. A second supervisor, posted at the entrance to the exercise yard, was also injured when he tried to help his colleague.[14][15]
4 September 2016 Melee attack 0 2 Two Islamists attacked an author and his son, with blows to the head and stomach. The author, who wrote a book on 'Jihad', lost consciousness, and has now requested full police protection on his premises. Both victims were called 'filthy whites' and the author's daughter was also verbally abused.
8 September 2016 Stabbing 0 1 A terror raid took place in Essonne. A suspect attacked a police officer with a machete and was apprehended by his colleagues. The officer was injured in the shoulder and was subsequently hospitalized; though the injuries were reportedly not life-threatening.
3 February 2017 Stabbing 0 1 2017 Paris machete attack. A soldier near the Louvre museum opened fire on a man who attempted to enter the museum with a machete. The man was shouting "Allahu Akbar" and injured the soldier's scalp.[30]
16 March 2017 Letter bomb 0 1 A letter bomb probably sent by Greek anarchist organization Conspiracy of Cells of Fire exploded at the French office of the IMF injuring one person.[31]
18 March 2017 Shooting 0 (+1) 1 March 2017 Île-de-France attacks: A policeman was shot and injured in the Paris suburb of Garges-les-Gonesse by an attacker who was later shot dead at Orly Airport near Paris after trying to grab a soldier's firearm.[32]
20 April 2017 Shooting 1 (+1) 3 April 2017 Champs-Élysées attack. An Islamist opened fire on police officers on the Champs-Elysees. ISIS claimed responsibility.[33][34][35][36]
6 June 2017 Melee attack 0 1 2017 Notre Dame attack. An Algerian Islamist attacked a police officer with a hammer in front of Notre-Dame de Paris. He was shot by a second policeman and arrested. He claimed to be a "soldier of the caliphate" of ISIS.[37]
19 June 2017 Car ramming, planned explosive attack and planned shooting 0 (+1) 0 June 2017 Champs-Élysées car ramming attack. A jihadist rammed his car into a police car. He was killed and the Department of Interior stated that explosives, assault rifle and handguns have been found in his car. The attacker had pledged allegiance to ISIS.[38]
9 August 2017 Vehicle ramming 0 7 (+1) 2017 Levallois-Perret attack. A man rammed his car into soldiers near their barracks outside Paris. He was arrested on the highway after a shootout.
1 October 2017 Stabbing 2 (+1) 0 2017 Marseille stabbing. A man stabbed to death a 20-year-old woman and a 17-year-old girl at Marseille-Saint-Charles Station. Attacker was shot dead. He was heard shouting 'Allahu Akbar'. ISIS claimed responsibility.[39]
23 March 2018 Shooting, hostage taking 4 (+1) 15 Carcassonne and Trèbes attack. A gunman affiliated with ISIS attacked and stole a car in Carcassonne, killing the passenger and wounding the driver. He arrived in Trèbes and shot at a group of police officers who were jogging. Then, he attacked a supermarket, where three people were killed and several others were injured.

Easier to read here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_France

[Jeril]

You mean years of endless terrorism have gone by? This is just France.

Date Type Dead Injured Location and description
20 July 2003 Bombing 0 16 Double attack against the regional directorates of customs and the treasury in Nice, claimed by the National Liberation Front of Corsica (FLNC).[1]
8 October 2004 Bombing 0 10 Bomb attack against the Indonesian Embassy in Paris, claimed by the Front islamique français armé.
1 December 2007 Shooting 2 0 Killing of two members of the Spanish Civil Guard carrying out surveillance against ETA members in Capbreton, Landes.[1]
16 March 2010 Shooting 1 0 A French policeman was shot dead by members of ETA when he stopped their car at a routine checkpoint at Dammarie Les Lys, outside of Paris.[24]
11-22 March 2012 Shooting 7 5 Toulouse and Montauban shootings, murders of three French paratroopers, and a French Rabbi and three French schoolchildren (aged eight, six and three), carried out over a period of 11 days by Mohammed Merah.[1]
23 May 2013 Stabbing 0 1 2013 La Défense attack by an Islamist knifeman against a French soldier in the Paris suburb of La Défense.
20 December 2014 Stabbing 1 3 2014 Tours police station stabbing. A man yelling "Allahu Akbar" attacked a police office in Joué-lès-Tours with a knife. He was killed and 3 police officers were injured.
7-9 January 2015 Shooting 17 22 January 2015 Île-de-France attacks, a mass shooting at the antifascist satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo office in Paris, carried out by Saïd and Chérif Kouachi, two Islamist gunmen who identified themselves as belonging to Al-Qaeda in Yemen.[1] During this period, a third Islamist gunman and close friend of the Kouachi brothers, Amedy Coulibaly was responsible for two shootings and an hostage taking at a Hypercacher kosher market. He said he synchronized his attacks with the Kouachi brothers. Coulibaly had pledged allegiance to the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant.
3 February 2015 Stabbing 0 3 3 military men, guarding a Jewish community center in Nice, are attacked by Moussa Coulibaly (not related to the January Coulibaly attacks).
19 April 2015 Shooting 1 0 Unsuccessful attack against 2 churches in Villejuif by an Algerian jihadist. He killed a woman probably when trying to steal her car but accidentally shot himself in the leg, putting an end to his plans.[25]
26 June 2015 Beheading 1 2 Saint-Quentin-Fallavier attack. An Islamist delivery driver probably linked to ISIS decapitated a man and rammed a company van into gas cylinders at the Air Products gas factory in an attempt to blow up the building.
21 August 2015 Shooting and stabbing 0 4 2015 Thalys train attack. An attempted mass shooting occurred on a train traveling from Amsterdam to Paris. Four people were injured, including the assailant who was subdued by other passengers.[26]
13-14 November 2015 Shootings, hostage taking and suicide bombings 130 368 November 2015 Paris attacks. The single deadliest terrorist attack in French history. Multiple shooting and grenade attacks occurred on a Friday night; among the locations targeted were a music venue, sports stadium and several bar and restaurant terraces. 90 persons were killed during a siege at an Eagles of Death Metal concert inside the Bataclan. French president François Hollande evacuated from a football match between France and Germany at the Stade de France, venue for the UEFA Euro 2016 Final, after three separate suicide bombings over the course of about 40 minutes. ISIS claimed responsibility for the attacks and President Hollande named the Paris attacks an "'act of war'".[27]
1 January 2016 Vehicle ramming 0 2 A man rammed his car twice into 4 soldiers protecting a mosque in Valence. He said he wanted to kill troops and jihadi propaganda images were found on his computer.[28]
7 January 2016 Stabbing 1 0 January 2016 Paris police station attack, a jihadist wearing a fake explosive belt attacked police officers in the Goutte d'Or district in Paris with a meat cleaver, while shouting "Allahu Akbar". He was shot dead and one policeman receiving injuries. The ISIS flag and a clearly written claim in Arabic,[clarification needed] were found on the attacker.[29][unreliable source?]
13 June 2016 Stabbing 2 0 2016 Magnanville stabbing, a police officer and his wife, a police secretary, were stabbed to death in their home in Magnanville by a jihadist. ISIS claimed responsibility.
14 July 2016 Vehicle ramming 86 434 A 19 tonne cargo truck was deliberately driven into crowds celebrating Bastille Day on the Promenade des Anglais in Nice. The driver was Mohamed Lahouaiej-Bouhlel, a Tunisian resident of France. The attack ended following an exchange of gunfire, during which Lahouaiej-Bouhlel was shot and killed by police.
19 July 2016 Stabbing 0 4 An Islamist staying in a holiday resort, in Garda-Colombe, attacked a family of four with a kitchen knife. He told prosecutors he was offended by their lack of suitable clothing.
26 July 2016 Stabbing 1 (+2) 1 2016 Normandy church attack, two terrorists attacked a church during a mass, killing an 86-year-old priest. ISIS claimed responsibility.
19 August 2016 Stabbing 0 1 A rabbi was stabbed in Strasbourg by a man reportedly shouting Allahu Akbar.
30 August 2016 Stabbing 0 1 A policeman was wounded in a melee attack in a police station. The assailant was arrested by other policemen. He tried to kill the policeman because "It represents France".[143]
2 September 2016 Stabbing 0 (+1) 2 A 29-year-old attacker injured a nurse and police were called to the scene, upon which a policewoman was seriously injured. The perpetrator was shot dead by another officer and the incident is being described as a 'terrorist incident'.[8]
4 September 2016 Stabbing 0 2 A prisoner in a radicalization prevention unit wounded two prison officers. The detainee first assaulted a supervisor with an artisanal weapon. A second supervisor, posted at the entrance to the exercise yard, was also injured when he tried to help his colleague.[14][15]
4 September 2016 Melee attack 0 2 Two Islamists attacked an author and his son, with blows to the head and stomach. The author, who wrote a book on 'Jihad', lost consciousness, and has now requested full police protection on his premises. Both victims were called 'filthy whites' and the author's daughter was also verbally abused.
8 September 2016 Stabbing 0 1 A terror raid took place in Essonne. A suspect attacked a police officer with a machete and was apprehended by his colleagues. The officer was injured in the shoulder and was subsequently hospitalized; though the injuries were reportedly not life-threatening.
3 February 2017 Stabbing 0 1 2017 Paris machete attack. A soldier near the Louvre museum opened fire on a man who attempted to enter the museum with a machete. The man was shouting "Allahu Akbar" and injured the soldier's scalp.[30]
16 March 2017 Letter bomb 0 1 A letter bomb probably sent by Greek anarchist organization Conspiracy of Cells of Fire exploded at the French office of the IMF injuring one person.[31]
18 March 2017 Shooting 0 (+1) 1 March 2017 Île-de-France attacks: A policeman was shot and injured in the Paris suburb of Garges-les-Gonesse by an attacker who was later shot dead at Orly Airport near Paris after trying to grab a soldier's firearm.[32]
20 April 2017 Shooting 1 (+1) 3 April 2017 Champs-Élysées attack. An Islamist opened fire on police officers on the Champs-Elysees. ISIS claimed responsibility.[33][34][35][36]
6 June 2017 Melee attack 0 1 2017 Notre Dame attack. An Algerian Islamist attacked a police officer with a hammer in front of Notre-Dame de Paris. He was shot by a second policeman and arrested. He claimed to be a "soldier of the caliphate" of ISIS.[37]
19 June 2017 Car ramming, planned explosive attack and planned shooting 0 (+1) 0 June 2017 Champs-Élysées car ramming attack. A jihadist rammed his car into a police car. He was killed and the Department of Interior stated that explosives, assault rifle and handguns have been found in his car. The attacker had pledged allegiance to ISIS.[38]
9 August 2017 Vehicle ramming 0 7 (+1) 2017 Levallois-Perret attack. A man rammed his car into soldiers near their barracks outside Paris. He was arrested on the highway after a shootout.
1 October 2017 Stabbing 2 (+1) 0 2017 Marseille stabbing. A man stabbed to death a 20-year-old woman and a 17-year-old girl at Marseille-Saint-Charles Station. Attacker was shot dead. He was heard shouting 'Allahu Akbar'. ISIS claimed responsibility.[39]
23 March 2018 Shooting, hostage taking 4 (+1) 15 Carcassonne and Trèbes attack. A gunman affiliated with ISIS attacked and stole a car in Carcassonne, killing the passenger and wounding the driver. He arrived in Trèbes and shot at a group of police officers who were jogging. Then, he attacked a supermarket, where three people were killed and several others were injured.

Easier to read here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_France

And how does this list of attacks stop your ability to think and reason, and to move past the hate?

[Neveragain]

And how does this list of attacks stop your ability to think and reason, and to move past the hate?

When we go a year without another terrorist attack based out of the middle east or until they mange to detonate a nuclear device and then the hate will just be......

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[Jeril]

When we go a year without another terrorist attack based out of the middle east or until they mange to detonate a nuclear device and then the hate will just be......

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/HighNearAustrianpinscher-max-1mb.gif

This response from you is why as much as time changes things, people never really progress.

[Neveragain]

This response from you is why as much as time changes things, people never really progress.

Considering as much, will it take them detonating a nuke in Paris or London...etc. before you realize this?

I'm honestly sorry that innocent people are caught up in all this but the reality is that time is up. Islam must willingly go through a reformation or it will be done for them.

[Parkbandit]

Well, let's see. Someone who is persistently upset might, for example, call someone a bitch, call someone else a stalker, and then accuse others of being creepy in an internet forum all in the same 24 hours or so. They might regularly resort to name calling and obscenities when they hear something in a political debate they don't like- finding themselves incapable of handling information they don't agree with. It might be a standard occurrence, for example, for that person to insult several people a day.

That person might also spend an inordinate amount of their time in a game forum for a game they haven't played in years, using their accounts to give negative rep to anyone they don't agree with. They might even regularly revisit 6 month old posts to continue to register their displeasure via the rep system in order to feel a sense of relief.

Of course- that really only describes one person on these forums. The single most perennially upset person on said forum.

Presumably the most perennially upset in his own life.

Seriously... when you get your emotions under control and become mentally stable via prescription drugs.. then perhaps you can start psychoanalyzing other people.

If you can't see how unstable you are, it's highly unlikely you can spot it on anyone else.

In before you tell us all how you have a PhD in Psychology or how your best friend is a clinical psychologist.

[cwolff]

When we go a year without another terrorist attack based out of the middle east or until they mange to detonate a nuclear device and then the hate will just be......


I'm waaaayyyy more worried about getting shot by an American white guy. We seem to get a lot of it here in CO. Maybe more than other places, I don't know. But in my small little world here I was stopped in traffic and turned around by cops because columbine was going down a couple miles away, some grown white dude shot a kid at my nieces school (she was on the bus and the driver hit the gas and drove them away), I had dinner at the Aurora mall a week before the theater shooting and a month or two ago some dude went into my local Walmart and shot people.

Islamic terrorism isn't that big a threat to me. When I'm out with my wife and daughter I don't worry about ISIS. I do look around though and wonder if one of these guys who look just like me are about to snap. Frankly, I'm limiting going out. The % of getting shot is still very small but it affects me. When we do go out the thought is ever present that we might get caught up in some crazy random white guy terrorism.

[Jeril]

Considering as much, will it take them detonating a nuke in Paris or London...etc. before you realize this?

I'm honestly sorry that innocent people are caught up in all this but the reality is that time is up. Islam must willingly go through a reformation or it will be done for them.

I think you should go back and read my posts a bit more carefully and work to understand what I typed instead of just blindly responding.

[Neveragain]

I'm waaaayyyy more worried about getting shot by an American white guy. We seem to get a lot of it here in CO. Maybe more than other places, I don't know. But in my small little world here I was stopped in traffic and turned around by cops because columbine was going down a couple miles away, some grown white dude shot a kid at my nieces school (she was on the bus and the driver hit the gas and drove them away), I had dinner at the Aurora mall a week before the theater shooting and a month or two ago some dude went into my local Walmart and shot people.

Islamic terrorism isn't that big a threat to me. When I'm out with my wife and daughter I don't worry about ISIS. I do look around though and wonder if one of these guys who look just like me are about to snap. Frankly, I'm limiting going out. The % of getting shot is still very small but it affects me. When we do go out the thought is ever present that we might get caught up in some crazy random white guy terrorism.

Ok so what is causing the white guys to snap (I mean I know what the problem is, it's the same problem black males have been facing) but I want to hear your reasoning for it? We certainly know that the root of the problem with the terrorists is Islam.

[time4fun]

Just to add to the evidence here (https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/white-supremacist-murders-2017-report_us_5a5f59b0e4b0ee2ff32c4bea)-


White supremacists in the United States killed more than twice as many people in 2017 as they did the year before, and were responsible for far more murders than domestic Islamic extremists, helping make 2017 the fifth deadliest year on record for extremist violence in America, a new report states.

The report, “Murder and Extremism in the United States in 2017,” published Tuesday by the Anti-Defamation League’s Center on Extremism, said extremists killed 34 people last year. Twenty of those victims — or 59 percent — were killed by right-wing extremists, a designation that includes white supremacists, members of the so-called “alt-right” and “alt-lite,” and members of the anti-government militia movement.

So while Neveragain is sitting around railing about terrorist groups and radical ideologies- he's missing the fact that HE is, in fact, a part of a radical ideology that has become increasingly violent and which was responsible for far more deaths last year than radicalized Islamic ideologies.

Neveragain is a self-ascribed white supremacist who doesn't understand the deep irony of his Islamophobia.

[Neveragain]

I think you should go back and read my posts a bit more carefully and work to understand what I typed instead of just blindly responding.

No, I'm asking you to apply the same logic to the people that killed 3000 people on 9/11. None of this happens if ,you know, the Islamic religion could learn to "coexist". This is nothing new Jeril, Islam has proven for centuries it's incapable of living peacefully with others.

How many more centuries do you suggest that we just "let it go" and play the "oh you're so full of hate" card? No, fuck you, 3,000 people were murdered on live television by these fucks and Jeril just wants to live and let live while their still plotting attacks 17 years later.

[time4fun]

^This. Needs to be further discussed in depth.

Honestly, and I don’t want to get all Infowars here but this ISIS crap is just a falseflag for the real big enchilada which is the state run miitary-industrial-wall street-DC complex. And yeah, I do listen to Alex Jones but some of it is spot on.

Sort of. Mostly it serves two functions:

1) It's used to absolve the United States of everything it did in the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. The radicalization that led to ISIS and similar groups was fueled by an entire generation of people who lost their homes, their spouses, their children, their siblings, their health, and- all too often- their lives from the illegal occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan. We bombed THEM, and demonizing the people we bombed is necessary to avoid having to acknowledge what we did.

2) It's convenient scapegoating for the resurgence of white supremacy in the American Politic. The ugliest side of American political history is on the rise again, and they use fear-based messaging about Muslisms, immigrants, etc. to recruit and normalize their radical ideologies. Unfortunately, the Republican party helped usher this in and gave them a home and far more political power than they should ever have.

[Neveragain]

Huffington post link....Blah, Blah, Blah, Neveragain is a racist, I like to kill babies in the womb. Vote for the party I support.

Pretty standard reply for the baby killers.

[Latrinsorm]

No, I'm asking you to apply the same logic to the people that killed 3000 people on 9/11. None of this happens if ,you know, the Islamic religion could learn to "coexist". This is nothing new Jeril, Islam has proven for centuries it's incapable of living peacefully with others.

How many more centuries do you suggest that we just "let it go" and play the "oh you're so full of hate" card? No, fuck you, 3,000 people were murdered on live television by these fucks and Jeril just wants to live and let live while their still plotting attacks 17 years later.Islam coexisted pretty well with us when Germany started a war that would cause more bloodshed than every war started by the Middle East combined... by an order of magnitude. And it coexisted pretty well with us the time before that that Germay started the deadliest war of all time. Now Germany is coexisting pretty well with us. Seems pretty simple, we just need to sink about 10% of our GDP into the region and work with them to rebuild the infrastructure we repeatedly destroyed.

[time4fun]

And yeah, I do listen to Alex Jones but some of it is spot on.

I'm genuinely curious- if you know that he has no problem lying, why do you still listen to him?

I don't mean that in a critical way- I very sincerely want to understand why people listen to him.

[Androidpk]

Ok, so let me get this straight. I'm a fucking coward because I didn't join the military to go overseas to kill people in the middle east, but, I'm a racist because I support doing what it takes to win a war. That being the complete devastation of your enemy until they beg on their knees?

My only answer to this would be, it's not racism. It's an acceptance and understanding that this ugly truth is what it takes to win a war, if we don't hate our enemy to this extent then we have no business being in a war at all. 17 years and going.

Want to kill those people so bad but you're too chicken shit to go do it yourself.

[time4fun]

Want to kill those people so bad but you're too chicken shit to go do it yourself.

Maybe we don't need to be encouraging the mentally unstable white supremacist to go out and take matters into his own hands.

Just a thought.

[Androidpk]

Maybe we don't need to be encouraging the mentally unstable white supremacist to go out and take matters into his own hands.

Just a thought.

I mean in terms of joining the military or something. But no, he's a typical right wing chickenhawk. Brave enough to advocate for full blown war but not brave enough to actually get involved.

[Neveragain]

Islam coexisted pretty well with us when Germany started a war that would cause more bloodshed than every war started by the Middle East combined... by an order of magnitude. And it coexisted pretty well with us the time before that that Germay started the deadliest war of all time. Now Germany is coexisting pretty well with us. Seems pretty simple, we just need to sink about 10% of our GDP into the region and work with them to rebuild the infrastructure we repeatedly destroyed.

Welcome aboard your flight to coexistence. ~ The Religion of Peace

https://www.metabunk.org/attachments/ua175-gif.15989/

[Jeril]

No, I'm asking you to apply the same logic to the people that killed 3000 people on 9/11. None of this happens if ,you know, the Islamic religion could learn to "coexist". This is nothing new Jeril, Islam has proven for centuries it's incapable of living peacefully with others.

How many more centuries do you suggest that we just "let it go" and play the "oh you're so full of hate" card? No, fuck you, 3,000 people were murdered on live television by these fucks and Jeril just wants to live and let live while their still plotting attacks 17 years later.

See, this is exactly what I mean by you not understanding my posts. I've never said we should just "let go" what they've done. Saying you should let go of your hate isn't the same as saying you should just roll over and die. Unless you think hate is the only thing sustaining you, which would be quite the sad existence.

[Neveragain]

I mean in terms of joining the military or something. But no, he's a typical right wing chickenhawk. Brave enough to advocate for full blown war but not brave enough to actually get involved.

0 american or allied lives would be lost by dropping a nuke in the middle of the desert. How many American and allied lives have been lost in this 17 year old pussyfoot quagmire? Don't think for a moment that mine, like most everyone else's families, haven't suffered losses.

Was your mouth too full of Obama dick to call him out for the mass bombings? or is it that death by radiation is more scary than death by 1000 pound bombs. Obama certainly never served, why the dick sucking?

I just want to see an enemy body count so high that they stop the terrorist attacks, I don't care how it's accomplished. I certainly prefer whatever is the best way to do it while saving as many American and allied lives as possible. Or just come home.

[Androidpk]

0 american or allied lives would be lost by dropping a nuke in the middle of the desert. How many American and allied lives have been lost in this 17 year old pussyfoot quagmire? Don't think for a moment that mine, like most everyone else's families, haven't suffered losses.

Was your mouth too full of Obama dick to call him out for the mass bombings? or is it that death by radiation is more scary than death by 1000 pound bombs. Obama certainly never served, why the dick sucking?

I just want to see an enemy body count so high that they stop the terrorist attacks, I don't care how it's accomplished. I certainly prefer whatever is the best way to do it while saving as many American and allied lives as possible. Or just come home.

You are a national embarrassment.

[Neveragain]

See, this is exactly what I mean by you not understanding my posts. I've never said we should just "let go" what they've done. Saying you should let go of your hate isn't the same as saying you should just roll over and die. Unless you think hate is the only thing sustaining you, which would be quite the sad existence.

You keep wanting to jerk off over word usage. In my first reply I acknowledged that a better word could have been used but that I could not muster a word that comes so closely to hate.

I think the point I was making is pretty easily understood. If we're not willing to destroy our enemy then don't go to fucking war.

[Neveragain]

You are a national embarrassment.

I'll take that as a compliment coming from a guy with your record.

Just continue to supporting killing the terrorist babies.

[Neveragain]

When a baby mistakenly walks into a room full of Democrats.

https://media.tenor.com/images/2e9303e1e1c9d182e6594f8ea9642403/tenor.gif

[drauz]

When a baby mistakenly walks into a room full of Democrats.

https://media.tenor.com/images/2e9303e1e1c9d182e6594f8ea9642403/tenor.gif

When Neveragain walks into a NAACP meeting instead of the Klan rally.

https://media.tenor.com/images/2e9303e1e1c9d182e6594f8ea9642403/tenor.gif

[Ashliana]

Pretty standard reply for the baby killers.

You've uncritically accepted -- and internalized -- arguments that are so poorly reasoned they fall apart the second they're considered, which makes your earlier claims of your "trust in science that provides (you) with the evidence" supposedly backing your claims especially comical.

Science doesn't back up any of your contentious positions. If you want to reduce the number of abortions -- a goal that everybody supposedly shares -- your most effective tools, science shows, are:

1) Comprehensive sex education (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3194801/)
2) Reducing wealth inequality and increasing higher education access for women (https://www.nature.com/articles/544035d)
3) Increasing family planning / contraceptive access to young women (http://www.nejm.org/doi/pdf/10.1056/NEJMoa1400506)

There is absolutely no scientific evidence that restrictions or a prohibition of abortion reduces the abortion rate (https://www.unfpa.org/sites/default/files/resource-pdf/Safe_Abortion.pdf). All restrictive laws do is force women to undergo riskier procedures that endanger the lives you claim to be concerned with.

Who knew that approaching topics you claim to care about with a sub-Fox News mentality and committing to reductionist thinking to the degree of pointlessness would result in you being totally uninformed?

[Wrathbringer]

You've uncritically accepted -- and internalized -- arguments that are so poorly reasoned they fall apart the second they're considered, which makes your earlier claims of your "trust in science that provides (you) with the evidence" supposedly backing your claims especially comical.

Science doesn't back up any of your contentious positions. If you want to reduce the number of abortions -- a goal that everybody supposedly shares -- your most effective tools, science shows, are:

1) Comprehensive sex education (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3194801/)
2) Reducing wealth inequality and increasing higher education access for women (https://www.nature.com/articles/544035d)
3) Increasing family planning / contraceptive access to young women (http://www.nejm.org/doi/pdf/10.1056/NEJMoa1400506)

There is absolutely no scientific evidence that restrictions or a prohibition of abortion reduces the abortion rate (https://www.unfpa.org/sites/default/files/resource-pdf/Safe_Abortion.pdf). All restrictive laws do is force women to undergo riskier procedures that endanger the lives you claim to be concerned with.

Who knew that approaching topics you claim to care about with a sub-Fox News mentality and committing to reductionist thinking to the degree of pointlessness would result in you being totally uninformed?

You're retarded.

[Neveragain]

You've uncritically accepted -- and internalized -- arguments that are so poorly reasoned they fall apart the second they're considered, which makes your earlier claims of your "trust in science that provides (you) with the evidence" supposedly backing your claims especially comical.

Science doesn't back up any of your contentious positions. If you want to reduce the number of abortions -- a goal that everybody supposedly shares -- your most effective tools, science shows, are:

1) Comprehensive sex education (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3194801/)
2) Reducing wealth inequality and increasing higher education access for women (https://www.nature.com/articles/544035d)
3) Increasing family planning / contraceptive access to young women (http://www.nejm.org/doi/pdf/10.1056/NEJMoa1400506)

There is absolutely no scientific evidence that restrictions or a prohibition of abortion reduces the abortion rate (https://www.unfpa.org/sites/default/files/resource-pdf/Safe_Abortion.pdf). All restrictive laws do is force women to undergo riskier procedures that endanger the lives you claim to be concerned with.

Who knew that approaching topics you claim to care about with a sub-Fox News mentality and committing to reductionist thinking to the degree of pointlessness would result in you being totally uninformed?

So you should have no problem supporting legislation that protects a human being in the womb as an individual?

One would think people that have compassion for children being shot up in schools would show that same compassion for children being killed in the womb and not you know, raise money to kill more children.

[Ashliana]

You're retarded.

If quoting NIH, Nature, the New England Journal of Medicine and the World Health Organization/UN makes one "retarded" in the eyes of a complete troglodyte incapable of critical reasoning, so be it.

But, as always:

https://i.imgur.com/YtkY319.png

[Neveragain]

Neveragain's first child

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/9b/5d/d8/9b5dd80f4ebfd690eae2f287a0a79358.jpg

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[Neveragain]

Must kill babies!

Calm down there Elizabeth Bathory.

[Parkbandit]

We should just bump the hundreds of Abortion threads instead of ruining this thread.

This thread is specifically reserved for when the "B-b-b-but Russia" is proven to be a hoax that they swallowed hook, line and sinker because their girl lost.

[Ashliana]

This thread is specifically reserved for when the "B-b-b-but Russia" is proven to be a hoax that they swallowed hook, line and sinker because their girl lost.

Imagine the willful ignorance that it took to make this statement, discounting the dozen-plus instances in which Trump et. al's conspiring with Russia has already been made a matter of public record. I guess that's what happens when your sole source of information is Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity.

[Wrathbringer]

Imagine the willful ignorance that it took to make this statement, discounting the dozen-plus instances in which Trump et. al's conspiring with Russia has already been made a matter of public record. I guess that's what happens when your sole source of information is Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity.

8950

[Ashliana]

8950

Notice how you couldn't come up with a substantive reply? Yeah.

https://i.imgur.com/Q4lU9YS.png

[Wrathbringer]

Notice how you couldn't come up with a substantive reply? Yeah.

https://i.imgur.com/Q4lU9YS.png

8951

[Ashliana]

8951

https://i.imgur.com/Q4lU9YS.png

[Parkbandit]

Imagine the willful ignorance that it took to make this statement, discounting the dozen-plus instances in which Trump et. al's conspiring with Russia has already been made a matter of public record. I guess that's what happens when your sole source of information is Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity.

So, collusion has already been proven?

Oh, do tell us your fairy tale....

Swallowed: Hook, line and sinker.

This is what happens when your sole source of information is Hillary2020.com and Learn2Catfish101.com

[Latrinsorm]

So, collusion has already been proven?

Oh, do tell us your fairy tale....

Swallowed: Hook, line and sinker.

This is what happens when your sole source of information is Hillary2020.com and Learn2Catfish101.comLet's assume for the sake of argument that whatever it is you think the Russia narrative is was an obfuscation. Which is more damaging, believing a hoax that cost us about $13,000,000 (https://www.cnn.com/2017/12/05/politics/robert-mueller-investigation-money-spent-fbi/index.html) or a hoax that cost us about $109,000,000,000 (http://www.govexec.com/oversight/2018/03/see-how-much-your-agencys-spending-would-increase-under-2018-omnibus/146896/)? Which has the ability to do more damage to us in the next year, Mueller or Congress?

[Ashliana]

So, collusion has already been proven?

Oh, do tell us your fairy tale....

Swallowed: Hook, line and sinker.

Yes, it's already been unequivocally proven:

1) For both Jared Kushner and Trump's son Donald Jr., by virtue of his eventual disclosures on Twitter attempting to pre-empt the story in the NYT. People openly representing themselves as agents of Russia offered to meet with the Trump campaign, and they eagerly accepted, then misrepresented (i.e., lied) about the purpose of the meeting. Don Jr. lied repeatedly, first denying any memory of any arranged meetings, then obfuscating what they were about. Then Trump himself lied about his involvement in drafting the nonsensical explanations (which you undoubtedly bought, "hook, line and sinker") before that too was revealed as a lie, i.e., playing Trump believers as monkeys who will believe literally anything their cheetoh-in-chief claims.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2017/07/21/timeline-donald-trump-jr-s-contradictory-statements-about-the-russia-meeting/?utm_term=.22428be51b4b

2) Paul Manafort and Robert Gates were in repeated contact with Konstantin Kilimnik, who has "ongoing ties to Russian intelligence (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/manafort-associate-had-russian-intelligence-ties-during-2016-campaign-prosecutors-say/2018/03/28/473228e8-3231-11e8-8bdd-cdb33a5eef83_story.html?utm_term=.be0d1e940b65)." Gates has now been convicted (https://www.law.com/nationallawjournal/2018/02/23/russia-files-read-the-rick-gates-plea-agreement-statement-of-offense/?slreturn=20180302120200) of conspiracy against the United States, and lying to the FBI, about those meetings and obfuscating their nature.

3) Sessions lied, under oath (https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2017/06/13/jeff-sessions-testimony-opening-statement-sot.cnn), claiming he'd had no meetings with Russian officials. Subsequently, he was exposed as having had at least two clandestine meetings with Russian ambassador Kislyak, and his subequent lie changed to "Oh, well, those were in my official capacity as a senator -- not as part of the campaign team." Subequently, he was exposed for having a third clandestine meeting where he discussed the same issue that the Russians were interested in during the Trump Jr. meeting: getting the administration to lift the Magnitsky Act sanctions.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/sessions-spoke-twice-with-russian-ambassador-during-trumps-presidential-campaign-justice-officials-say/2017/03/01/77205eda-feac-11e6-99b4-9e613afeb09f_story.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/sessions-discussed-trump-campaign-related-matters-with-russian-ambassador-us-intelligence-intercepts-show/2017/07/21/3e704692-6e44-11e7-9c15-177740635e83_story.html?utm_term=.b6c2aee13f33

4) George Papadopolous (who, at one point, Trump stooge David Nunez lied about him never having met Trump -- if only it weren't for those inconvenient photos of them together) repeatedly lied to the FBI about his contacts with Russians, and has now been convicted of lying to the FBI about them. Specifically, Papadopolous claimed that his meetings with a professor known to have Russian government connections happened before his joining the campaign as a senior official (lie)), admitted that the professor had informed him about the Russians having thousands of e-mails containing dirt on Clinton, claimed his interactions with another Russian foreign national regarding the same topic were innocuous (lie), and on and on. https://www.justice.gov/file/1007346/download.

5) Trump ally Roger Stone repeatedly claimed to have had "no contacts/collusion with Russia (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/roger-stone-ive-contacts-collusion-russians/story?id=46371985)", we now know was working with Guccifer 2.0 for Wikileaks' eventual disclosure of the hacked DNC e-mails (http://www.newsweek.com/how-stone-interacted-russias-guccifer-and-wikileaks-673268), and Guccifer 2.0 was subsequently exposed, moving from "suspected front of" to confirmed entity of (http://www.businessinsider.com/dnc-hacker-guccifer-confirmed-as-russian-agent-after-forgetting-to-conceal-identity-2018-3), Russian Intelligence group, GRU.

The list goes on - but in addition to all the demonstrated links, there's Trump's consistent refusal to criticize Putin and Russia, his extreme reluctance to implement sanctions that were passed virtually unanimously -- in today's political climate, especially compared to his moronic, bombastic rhetoric everywhere else.

There's the fact that the Trump campaign REPEATEDLY called the blizzard of reports of their Russia connections as "fake news." Repeatedly.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/03/02/trump-teams-many-many-denials-contacts-russia/98625780/

All of this has been exposed -- and mysteriously, you have absolutely no problem with either the connections themselves, or the Trump campaign/administration denying (i.e., lying) about those connections, thinking -- accurately -- that you would be retarded enough to continue blindly supporting them despite lying to you about it.

Your total failure to follow the news (and yet remaining very sure of your idiotic, evidence-free position), and your subsequent choice to put your blind support of Trump and the GOP above the nation, reflects solely on you.


This is what happens when your sole source of information is Hillary2020.com and Learn2Catfish101.com

Yeah. Just because you only get your news from Tucker Carlson and Rush Limbaugh doesn't mean other people don't actually read the news. Also, you might want to eventually look up what the word "catfish" means, but then again you've circled back to your reliance on evidence-free positions. :)

[Parkbandit]

Yes, it's already been unequivocally proven:

1) For both Jared Kushner and Trump's son Donald Jr., by virtue of his eventual disclosures on Twitter attempting to pre-empt the story in the NYT. People openly representing themselves as agents of Russia offered to meet with the Trump campaign, and they eagerly accepted, then misrepresented (i.e., lied) about the purpose of the meeting. Don Jr. lied repeatedly, first denying any memory of any arranged meetings, then obfuscating what they were about. Then Trump himself lied about his involvement in drafting the nonsensical explanations (which you undoubtedly bought, "hook, line and sinker") before that too was revealed as a lie, i.e., playing Trump believers as monkeys who will believe literally anything their cheetoh-in-chief claims.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2017/07/21/timeline-donald-trump-jr-s-contradictory-statements-about-the-russia-meeting/?utm_term=.22428be51b4b

2) Paul Manafort and Robert Gates were in repeated contact with Konstantin Kilimnik, who has "ongoing ties to Russian intelligence (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/manafort-associate-had-russian-intelligence-ties-during-2016-campaign-prosecutors-say/2018/03/28/473228e8-3231-11e8-8bdd-cdb33a5eef83_story.html?utm_term=.be0d1e940b65)." Gates has now been convicted (https://www.law.com/nationallawjournal/2018/02/23/russia-files-read-the-rick-gates-plea-agreement-statement-of-offense/?slreturn=20180302120200) of conspiracy against the United States, and lying to the FBI, about those meetings and obfuscating their nature.

3) Sessions lied, under oath (https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2017/06/13/jeff-sessions-testimony-opening-statement-sot.cnn), claiming he'd had no meetings with Russian officials. Subsequently, he was exposed as having had at least two clandestine meetings with Russian ambassador Kislyak, and his subequent lie changed to "Oh, well, those were in my official capacity as a senator -- not as part of the campaign team." Subequently, he was exposed for having a third clandestine meeting where he discussed the same issue that the Russians were interested in during the Trump Jr. meeting: getting the administration to lift the Magnitsky Act sanctions.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/sessions-spoke-twice-with-russian-ambassador-during-trumps-presidential-campaign-justice-officials-say/2017/03/01/77205eda-feac-11e6-99b4-9e613afeb09f_story.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/sessions-discussed-trump-campaign-related-matters-with-russian-ambassador-us-intelligence-intercepts-show/2017/07/21/3e704692-6e44-11e7-9c15-177740635e83_story.html?utm_term=.b6c2aee13f33

4) George Papadopolous (who, at one point, Trump stooge David Nunez lied about him never having met Trump -- if only it weren't for those inconvenient photos of them together) repeatedly lied to the FBI about his contacts with Russians, and has now been convicted of lying to the FBI about them. Specifically, Papadopolous claimed that his meetings with a professor known to have Russian government connections happened before his joining the campaign as a senior official (lie)), admitted that the professor had informed him about the Russians having thousands of e-mails containing dirt on Clinton, claimed his interactions with another Russian foreign national regarding the same topic were innocuous (lie), and on and on. https://www.justice.gov/file/1007346/download.

5) Trump ally Roger Stone repeatedly claimed to have had "no contacts/collusion with Russia (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/roger-stone-ive-contacts-collusion-russians/story?id=46371985)", we now know was working with Guccifer 2.0 for Wikileaks' eventual disclosure of the hacked DNC e-mails (http://www.newsweek.com/how-stone-interacted-russias-guccifer-and-wikileaks-673268), and Guccifer 2.0 was subsequently exposed, moving from "suspected front of" to confirmed entity of (http://www.businessinsider.com/dnc-hacker-guccifer-confirmed-as-russian-agent-after-forgetting-to-conceal-identity-2018-3), Russian Intelligence group, GRU.

The list goes on - but in addition to all the demonstrated links, there's Trump's consistent refusal to criticize Putin and Russia, his extreme reluctance to implement sanctions that were passed virtually unanimously -- in today's political climate, especially compared to his moronic, bombastic rhetoric everywhere else.

There's the fact that the Trump campaign REPEATEDLY called the blizzard of reports of their Russia connections as "fake news." Repeatedly.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/03/02/trump-teams-many-many-denials-contacts-russia/98625780/

All of this has been exposed -- and mysteriously, you have absolutely no problem with either the connections themselves, or the Trump campaign/administration denying (i.e., lying) about those connections, thinking -- accurately -- that you would be retarded enough to continue blindly supporting them despite lying to you about it.

Your total failure to follow the news (and yet remaining very sure of your idiotic, evidence-free position), and your subsequent choice to put your blind support of Trump and the GOP above the nation, reflects solely on you.



Yeah. Just because you only get your news from Tucker Carlson and Rush Limbaugh doesn't mean other people don't actually read the news. Also, you might want to eventually look up what the word "catfish" means, but then again you've circled back to your reliance on evidence-free positions. :)

When you post, all I hear is "You can't tell me what to do with my uterus!"

And this:

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/WellwornAntiqueBeauceron-size_restricted.gif

[Ashliana]

http://askanangryjew.com/wp-content/uploads/how-do-you-do-fellow-kids.jpg

Translation: You couldn't muster a substantive response, and have conceded that Trump's administration actively colluded with Russia.

[Wrathbringer]

Translation: You couldn't muster a substantive response, and have conceded that Trump's administration actively colluded with Russia.

lol @ you spending time out of your life to post tl;dr posts no one reads or cares about.

[Parkbandit]

https://media1.tenor.com/images/524bb297efc51cf1a765055f874685c7/tenor.gif?itemid=8393697

Translation: I will literally believe anything that is put in front of me as long as it helps me sleep at night. I'm still so upset about the election results I can't even think straight.

[Parkbandit]

lol @ you spending time out of your life to post tl;dr posts no one reads or cares about.

But there was links, underlines, bold text and italics. That means It was SERIOUS!

[Ashliana]

lol @ you spending time out of your life to post tl;dr posts no one reads or cares about.

It's cathartic watching you Trump apologists completely shut down and conceding defeat in the face of evidence you can't refute.

That's what's behind your snowflake ideology: feelings. Your terror of, and inability to deal with, a changing world. It's okay, though: Your kids will view you as small-minded and ignorant as everybody already views their blatantly racist grand/great-grandparents, and you'll be in a grave, a forgotten relic nobody talks about.

[Wrathbringer]

It's cathartic watching you Trump apologists completely shut down and conceding defeat in the face of evidence you can't refute.

That's what's behind your snowflake ideology: feelings. Your terror of, and inability to deal with, a changing world. It's okay, though: Your kids will view you as small-minded and ignorant as everybody already views their blatantly racist grand/great-grandparents, and you'll be in a grave, a forgotten relic nobody talks about.

8954

[Ashliana]

8954

https://i.imgur.com/Q4lU9YS.png

[Androidpk]

It's cathartic watching you Trump apologists completely shut down and conceding defeat in the face of evidence you can't refute.

Every one of their posts comes across as Alex Jones type rage :lol:

[Androidpk]

Lordy there are emails!

WSJ has an email from Roger Stone to Sam Nunberg, dated August 4, 2016 in which Stone says, "I dined with Julian Assange last night,”

[Wrathbringer]

No one cares. #4moreyears

[time4fun]

1) Let's see- his campaign manager takes the role for free. His previous job- helping Putin install a puppet leader in the Ukraine.

2) His campaign manager and deputy campaign manager were in constant contact with Russian Intelligence during the election

3) There's literally an email to Don Jr saying "The Russian government wants to help you get elected and has dirt on your opponent", and Don Jr is like "Yeah that sounds amazing!"

4) Russia put a lot of resources behind getting Trump elected, and Trump tried to lift sanctions that were created to punish Russia for election meddling.

5) His good friend Roger stone was in touch with Assange, who was working with a Russian intelligence officer to disseminate the hacked DNC/Podesta emails

6) His data operation was run by an organization that hired a Russian professor who was receiving Russian government grants to build it out

7) Several members of his campaign were contacted by people representing Russia's interests, and yet Trump didn't once contact the FBI- which is exactly what they told him to do.

8) One of his major foreign policy advisers was someone who was suspected by the FBI of being a Russian asset- in part because he magically found himself really anti-US and pro-Moscow in his speeches and because hew as regularly meeting with Russian government officials

9) His National Security adviser was lying to the FBI about his contacts with Russian officials

10) He has fired or forced out almost every single person who was overseeing an investigation into Russia (Rosenstein is literally the only person left)


(Seriously this could go on and on)

Meanwhile:

1) Despite knowing for a fact that Russia was meddling in the election to help him out, he spent over a year trying to convince the electorate that Russia was NOT responsible for that meddling- turning on his own Intelligence Community to take Putin's word. ("He said he didn't do it, and I trust him!" Remember that?)

2) The FIRST thing he did when he got into office was to try to lift all Russian sanctions- which is exactly what Russia wanted. He asked absolutely nothing in return (it's almost like he already got something...)

3) He became the first US Presidential candidate in decades to campaign against NATO- something every Putin-backed candidate does

4) He abjectly refuses to ever say anything negative about Putin- even when he is actively attacking our resource systems and infiltrating our voter registration records. Putin stands as the only person he has ever refrained from attacking (except Stormy Daniels- who has an outstanding court case against him that would be lost if he said anything bad about her)

4b) He wouldn't even criticize Putin when he showed a simulation of Russia dropping a nuclear bomb on Florida

5) He invited Russian government officials into the Oval Office (without telling anyone in the US) and told them he fired Comey to take the heat off of him and then shared top, TOP secret information with them

6) He complained bitterly about the Congressional Russian Sanctions Bill and only signed because it had a veto-proof majority


At this point- I would LOVE to hear another explanation for all of this aside from: Trump and Russia colluded to get Trump into office.

Seriously. Let's hear it.

[Parkbandit]

1) Let's see- his campaign manager takes the role for free. His previous job- helping Putin install a puppet leader in the Ukraine.

2) His campaign manager and deputy campaign manager were in constant contact with Russian Intelligence during the election

3) There's literally an email to Don Jr saying "The Russian government wants to help you get elected and has dirt on your opponent", and Don Jr is like "Yeah that sounds amazing!"

4) Russia put a lot of resources behind getting Trump elected, and Trump tried to lift sanctions that were created to punish Russia for election meddling.

5) His good friend Roger stone was in touch with Assange, who was working with a Russian intelligence officer to disseminate the hacked DNC/Podesta emails

6) His data operation was run by an organization that hired a Russian professor who was receiving Russian government grants to build it out

7) Several members of his campaign were contacted by people representing Russia's interests, and yet Trump didn't once contact the FBI- which is exactly what they told him to do.

8) One of his major foreign policy advisers was someone who was suspected by the FBI of being a Russian asset- in part because he magically found himself really anti-US and pro-Moscow in his speeches and because hew as regularly meeting with Russian government officials

9) His National Security adviser was lying to the FBI about his contacts with Russian officials

10) He has fired or forced out almost every single person who was overseeing an investigation into Russia (Rosenstein is literally the only person left)


(Seriously this could go on and on)

Meanwhile:

1) Despite knowing for a fact that Russia was meddling in the election to help him out, he spent over a year trying to convince the electorate that Russia was NOT responsible for that meddling- turning on his own Intelligence Community to take Putin's word. ("He said he didn't do it, and I trust him!" Remember that?)

2) The FIRST thing he did when he got into office was to try to lift all Russian sanctions- which is exactly what Russia wanted. He asked absolutely nothing in return (it's almost like he already got something...)

3) He became the first US Presidential candidate in decades to campaign against NATO- something every Putin-backed candidate does

4) He abjectly refuses to ever say anything negative about Putin- even when he is actively attacking our resource systems and infiltrating our voter registration records. Putin stands as the only person he has ever refrained from attacking (except Stormy Daniels- who has an outstanding court case against him that would be lost if he said anything bad about her)

4b) He wouldn't even criticize Putin when he showed a simulation of Russia dropping a nuclear bomb on Florida

5) He invited Russian government officials into the Oval Office (without telling anyone in the US) and told them he fired Comey to take the heat off of him and then shared top, TOP secret information with them

6) He complained bitterly about the Congressional Russian Sanctions Bill and only signed because it had a veto-proof majority


At this point- I would LOVE to hear another explanation for all of this aside from: Trump and Russia colluded to get Trump into office.

Seriously. Let's hear it.

Seriously, not a single one of those "facts" is evidence the Trump Administration colluded with the Russian government.

I DO hope Mueller has more than this... otherwise, let's shut it down and move on.

[RichardCranium]

Some sites are reporting that Trump's approval rating is at 50% today; higher than Obama's at this point in the previous presidency.

[Parkbandit]

Some sites are reporting that Trump's approval rating is at 50% today; higher than Obama's at this point in the previous presidency.

Russian bots are artificially inflating his numbers.

No way. Hillary's approval ratings are 51% then!

[cwolff]

Some sites are reporting that Trump's approval rating is at 50% today; higher than Obama's at this point in the previous presidency.


Yup Rasmussen (the most conservative polling site) has him pegged at 50%. Job approval is also up across the board, higher than Obamas!

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/

I was looking at this. Seems like his support is fairly steady, but nothing to crow about.

[cwolff]

The fact is Obama knew of Russian meddling but did nothing, especially to help butt buddy Hillary. Why? Because even then Obama knew from the massive US Intelligence apparatus under his command that there was no collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia.

If there was serious collusion then why didn’t Obama step-in and sound the alarm???


Exactly. Because there was nothing.

Trolls gonna troll.

[Wrathbringer]

Trolls gonna troll.

You're retarded.

[Parkbandit]

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/

I was looking at this. Seems like his support is fairly steady, but nothing to crow about.

Can you imagine what it would be if he wasn't such a douchebag?

[Neveragain]

Some sites are reporting that Trump's approval rating is at 50% today; higher than Obama's at this point in the previous presidency.

It's not surprising really, that extra bump on the paycheck stub is noticeable. Almost as if people would rather decide what to do with their money than have time4fun spend it for them.

[Parkbandit]

It's not surprising really, that extra bump on the paycheck stub is noticeable. Almost as if people would rather decide what to do with their money than have time4fun spend it for them.

You realize that time4fun makes more money than anyone ever on this forum, right?

She buys and sells people like you everyday... and she will be there to evacuate you on the next terrorist attack.

Count on it. (just it, not It)

[cwolff]

It's not surprising really, that extra bump on the paycheck stub is noticeable. Almost as if people would rather decide what to do with their money than have time4fun spend it for them.

People aren't seeing much bigger checks. Most people don't even notice if there's a difference at all.

EDIT: BTW...you can never claim to be some independent minded voter when I call you a trumpanzee. Your racist posts and all around support of his ideas call you out. It's ok to be a trumper. Well, it's stupid, but it's better to own it than pretend to be an objective observer.

[Neveragain]

You realize that time4fun makes more money than anyone ever on this forum, right?

She buys and sells people like you everyday... and she will be there to evacuate you on the next terrorist attack.

Count on it. (just it, not It)

I'll bet her sandwiches are the best fucking sandwiches ever.

[Parkbandit]

I'll bet her sandwiches are the best fucking sandwiches ever.

I doubt it.

[Parkbandit]

People aren't seeing much bigger checks. Most people don't even notice if there's a difference at all.

EDIT: BTW...you can never claim to be some independent minded voter when I call you a trumpanzee. Your racist posts and all around support of his ideas call you out. It's ok to be a trumper. Well, it's stupid, but it's better to own it than pretend to be an objective observer.

I am. Plus I'm paying less in business taxes every month.

I've paid $1200 less in taxes this year already.

I know.. just measly little crumbs for us peasants... but it just paid for my computer upgrade:

i7-8700 processor
ASUS ROG Maximus X Hero motherboard
16G ram
1 TB SSD
3 new fans
New fan controller
New Razer Naga Hex mouse

[Neveragain]

EDIT: BTW...you can never claim to be some independent minded voter when I call you a trumpanzee. Your racist posts and all around support of his ideas call you out. It's ok to be a trumper. Well, it's stupid, but it's better to own it than pretend to be an objective observer.


I'm waaaayyyy more worried about getting shot by an American white guy.

I'm waaaay more worried about being shot by a black guy. :shrug:

[Jeril]

You keep wanting to jerk off over word usage. In my first reply I acknowledged that a better word could have been used but that I could not muster a word that comes so closely to hate.

I think the point I was making is pretty easily understood. If we're not willing to destroy our enemy then don't go to fucking war.

Any word that comes close to hate is not the word you want to be using. Is it really that complicated to understand? When you consider the totality of why everything is happening the only thing you should feel is sadness, unless you just can't comprehend it, which is just sad as well. Which was my point. I never once said that we shouldn't destroy our enemies.

[Neveragain]

Any word that comes close to hate is not the word you want to be using. Is it really that complicated to understand? When you consider the totality of why everything is happening the only thing you should feel is sadness, unless you just can't comprehend it, which is just sad as well. Which was my point. I never once said that we shouldn't destroy our enemies.

I believe you to be the one that finds it complicated to understand, maybe it's because your judgement is clouded from the condescending position you've taken. I never once said I didn't feel sadness, you're the one that has imagined that.

[Latrinsorm]

Lordy there are emails!

WSJ has an email from Roger Stone to Sam Nunberg, dated August 4, 2016 in which Stone says, "I dined with Julian Assange last night,”To be fair, he then added "LOL JK!!! ;) OMG can u imagine"

[Jeril]

I believe you to be the one that finds it complicated to understand, maybe it's because your judgement is clouded from the condescending position you've taken. I never once said I didn't feel sadness, you're the one that has imagined that.


Ok, so let me get this straight. I'm a fucking coward because I didn't join the military to go overseas to kill people in the middle east, but, I'm a racist because I support doing what it takes to win a war. That being the complete devastation of your enemy until they beg on their knees?

My only answer to this would be, it's not racism. It's an acceptance and understanding that this ugly truth is what it takes to win a war, if we don't hate our enemy to this extent then we have no business being in a war at all. 17 years and going.


You keep wanting to jerk off over word usage. In my first reply I acknowledged that a better word could have been used but that I could not muster a word that comes so closely to hate.

I think the point I was making is pretty easily understood. If we're not willing to destroy our enemy then don't go to fucking war.

Your words. If from these one isn't supposed to glean that hate is what drives your thoughts, what conclusion is a person supposed to reach?

[Neveragain]

Your words. If from these one isn't supposed to glean that hate is what drives your thoughts, what conclusion is a person supposed to reach?

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/uncyclopedia/images/f/f3/Freak-out-gif.gif/revision/latest?cb=20110623112918

[Fortybox]

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/uncyclopedia/images/f/f3/Freak-out-gif.gif/revision/latest?cb=20110623112918

Reported for using Methais’ gif.

[Neveragain]

Your words. If from these one isn't supposed to glean that hate is what drives your thoughts, what conclusion is a person supposed to reach?

If this is truly the logic your going to use, I suppose we should all worry that all that drives your thoughts is rape. It's in everyone of your posts, are you a rapist, Jeril? Is all that drives your thoughts is sexual assault?

[time4fun]

Seriously, not a single one of those "facts" is evidence the Trump Administration colluded with the Russian government.

I DO hope Mueller has more than this... otherwise, let's shut it down and move on.

Do you see what you just did?

Everything in there is a fact, not "a fact". So we have two possible interpretations- the first is that your news sources are so biased (and/or your consumption of them is so sporadic) that a lot of that was actually new to you. The second is that you implicitly rejected the new information by relegating the information to a status that made it easier for you to dismiss it.

Neither of those is a good sign, but both of them are the product of a strategy to dismiss anything that counters your world view.

In fact, I notice that you completely ignored my question at the end. If you're so sure that collusion doesn't explain that- then what does? Surely you have thought of that- else your deeply held conviction is nothing more than fantasy grounded in the rejection of reality.

I wonder if you've ever even taken the time to ask yourself what collusion between Trump and Russia would look like.

[time4fun]

Any word that comes close to hate is not the word you want to be using. Is it really that complicated to understand? When you consider the totality of why everything is happening the only thing you should feel is sadness, unless you just can't comprehend it, which is just sad as well. Which was my point. I never once said that we shouldn't destroy our enemies.

He's a part of a hate movement. For him, it actually is a complicated concept. And people who are drawn to hate movements tend to avoid complex explanations in favor of simplistic black and white world views (pun absolutely intended).

Conservatives, in general, are far more responsive to personal fear than liberals. (there's some amazing research coming out of Yale (https://www.amazon.com/Before-You-Know-Unconscious-Reasons/dp/1501101218?tag=bisafetynet2-20) showing that manipulating someone's level of fear can temporarily make them more or less socially conservative) Deeply conservative people tend to have even stronger fear-based reactions.

Think about the gun debate:

The standard conservative arguments are things like: "They" are coming to take YOUR guns. "They" are trying to take away YOUR right to protect YOU and YOUR family" "If YOU don't have guns, the government will come for YOU, and YOU will be helpless"

But the liberal argument isn't, "If you don't get guns off of the street, YOU and YOUR family will be next!" It's "If we don't get guns off of the streets, OTHER PEOPLE and THEIR families will be next!"

Or gay rights:

Conservative arguments: "They" are coming to recruit YOUR children! "They" are going to molest YOUR children in the bathroom!"
Liberal Arguments: "If we don't protect LGBTQ people, then THEY will lose their jobs." "Or THEY will suffer violence"

Or Immigration:

Conservative arguments: "They" are coming to take your jobs! "They" are going to rape and murder YOU and YOUR family!" "They are bankrupting YOUR country!"
Liberal Arguments: "Immigrants are hard working people, and THEY need to be protected"; "THEY will be forced to leave THEIR children and spouses if THEY are deported"

For conservatives, the "they" are threatening. For liberals the "they" are vulnerable and in need of aid.

For someone as extreme as Neveragain- this is all about an emotional reaction to his perception of a threat, not about a well-reasoned approach that takes into account the complexity of the situation.

[Androidpk]

The first sentence hearing for someone indicted by Mueller is today.

[Jeril]

If this is truly the logic your going to use, I suppose we should all worry that all that drives your thoughts is rape. It's in everyone of your posts, are you a rapist, Jeril? Is all that drives your thoughts is sexual assault?

It is? Show me all these posts that it is supposedly in. Or are you confusing lnet chats that aren't in anyway supposed to be taken seriously with me posting on these forums?

[Neveragain]

The entire time I was away from these forums I couldn't stop thinking about Neveragain, I can't get him off my mind even after all these months.

That's because you have issues.

[Neveragain]

It is? Show me all these posts that it is supposedly in. Or are you confusing lnet chats that aren't in anyway supposed to be taken seriously with me posting on these forums?

You just posted it again, is it that hard to understand?

You take these forums seriously? I feel sorry for you if you do.

[drauz]

It is? Show me all these posts that it is supposedly in. Or are you confusing lnet chats that aren't in anyway supposed to be taken seriously with me posting on these forums?

He's talking about your avatar.

http://forum.gsplayers.com/image.php?u=7655&dateline=1366182875

[Jeril]

You just posted it again, is it that hard to understand?

You take these forums seriously? I feel sorry for you if you do.

You mean my Avatar and not my actual posts. And, ah, quite right, silly me to think you'd post anything on here to be taken even the least bit serious. I shall endeavor to do better and never reply to any of your posts again.

[cwolff]

You just posted it again, is it that hard to understand?

You take these forums seriously? I feel sorry for you if you do.

There it is. Whenever you hold one of them to account, they weasel out. "You take this too seriously", "You don't understand a joke", blah blah blah. It's cliché at this point.

[Neveragain]

You mean my Avatar and not my actual posts. And, ah, quite right, silly me to think you'd post anything on here to be taken even the least bit serious. I shall endeavor to do better and never reply to any of your posts again.

Ok so I am supposed to take your avatar seriously, you put it there, it must be because you're a rapist. I mean I use the word hate once, and you give a sermon, but it's totally different for you when you advertise sexual assault.

[Neveragain]

There it is. Whenever you hold one of them to account, they weasel out. "You take this too seriously", "You don't understand a joke", blah blah blah. It's cliché at this point.

Accountable...from a Democrat that supports killing your child for self convenience.

[drauz]

There it is. Whenever you hold one of them to account, they weasel out. "You take this too seriously", "You don't understand a joke", blah blah blah. It's cliché at this point.

You take this too jokingly. You don't understand serious.

[Methais]

You sound upset again. That's typically the sign that you've lost on the fact front and on the rhetorical front.

I suppose that explains why you always seem so upset.

Remember all the times in this thread you were like OMG THIS IS REALLY IT THIS TIME TRUMP WON'T SURVIVE THE WEEK!!!!!! ?

Everyone else does.

[Androidpk]

Remember all the times in this thread you were like OMG THIS IS REALLY IT THIS TIME TRUMP WON'T SURVIVE THE WEEK!!!!!! ?

Everyone else does.

The only one posting that is you, parkbandit, and wrathbringer, over and over and over.

[audioserf]

Surely this will be the thing that sinks Trump, says increasingly nervous man for the 47th time since July 2015

[Methais]

Just to add to the evidence here (https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/white-supremacist-murders-2017-report_us_5a5f59b0e4b0ee2ff32c4bea)-



So while Neveragain is sitting around railing about terrorist groups and radical ideologies- he's missing the fact that HE is, in fact, a part of a radical ideology that has become increasingly violent and which was responsible for far more deaths last year than radicalized Islamic ideologies.

Neveragain is a self-ascribed white supremacist who doesn't understand the deep irony of his Islamophobia.

How do those numbers compare to black on black crime?

I'm just curious who hates black people more...white supremacists, or other black people.

[Androidpk]

The judge just handed down a 30 day prison sentence (and $20,000 fine) for Van der Zwaan.