Russia Investigation Heating Up [Archive] - Page 3 - The Gemstone IV Players' Corner

Androidpk

01-08-2018, 04:12 PM

–Thank you for meeting with us, Mr. President. I can surely appreciate the fact that a lot of information and misinformation is swirling about, and that you are as troubled about it as we are. I'm sure you'd like to speak on the record to help clear some things up. I'm also certain you'd like the investigation to come to a swift and accurate conclu-

–Look, Bob-can I call you Bob? Great name, by the way. Mueller. Strong name. German blood? Good genes, I'll bet. Good gen-

–Mr. President, in all candor we're not here to talk about my family history. We're very much interested in hearing your response to some questions we've assembled as to your dea-

–Sure, sure. And, believe me, have I candor when I say th–look. I can say that we've got no dealings with Russia. No dealings. I don't owe anything, no loans, no contracts, no buildings. Nothing. Not a thing. To be hon–I, ah, I mean to have candor, as you put it, this whole collusion... thing, it's just phony news. Fake news. I hope you know that. You're a smart guy, Bob a smart cookie like me. You don't believe in the fake news, ah, swirling abou–ah, about my campaign. Our campaign, really. The American people's camp-

–I'm not interested in the media reports, sir. Again, I'm interested in hearing your answers to some really simple questions so we-

–And, by the way, just so you understand and we're clear and on the record, I don't care about the fake news. It's fake, you know, so I don't care about it. Why would I? We're trying, we tried to get–look, our campaign was phenomenal, tremendously successful. No help from Russia, no help, just us. I mean, they said we couldn't win in Michigan, in West Virginia. They said, they said Trump can't get to 270. He's got no path. No path! But we got, like, 300 votes and so I don't really know what that's got to do with Russia. Okay? I just don't understand why Hillary can coll–

–With all due respect Mr. President, your understanding is not required. We just need to get to the bottom of things, so if you'd like to answer these questions we can finish here and all get back to work. I'm sure you're a busy man. These are just some rudimentary questions that can get us started, and hopefully we'll be able to conclude business today. So first of all, at what point, if any, were you made aware of any meetings occurring with surrogates of your campaign with Russian nationals?

–Okay. Look, I don't, uh. Oop! Ah, can we, maybe, can we take a break? I've just, I've just received an urgent call from the Secretary of the....of, ah, of. A text from the Secretary of National Defensive....of the Military's Defensive, the-

–Do you mean the Secretary of Defense?

–Yeah, the Secretary of the Defenses. Huh. Smart guy, Bob! Smart guy! I knew you were a smart guy. So yeah, the Secretary is on the phone. I really have to take this.

–Mr. President, you surrendered your phone at the front desk before you came into this boardroom.

–That's not-I'm not sure you can make that, ah. Alright. I'd like to, then, in such a case as that to, to ah. In such a case as this I would like to please the Fist.

–What? Please the Fist? Did–do you mean plead the Fifth?

–That's what I said, plead the, ah Fifth. So, yeah. Nothing, nothing to say. Nothing. Can I–is this the, the door? Right here, can I just? Open it?

–Uh, yes that is the door you came in through. Alright. Okay. If that is what you'd like to do, though I'd very much recommend you–and you're opening the door and leaving. Okay. Goodbye, Mr. President.

Just after leaving, Trump turns and looks at his lawyers, who are aghast and white as sheets. He grimaces in what looks like an attempt at a smile.

cwolff

01-08-2018, 04:15 PM

Trump's lawyers are trying to avoid having him being interviewed in person by Mueller's special counsel. This may be the smartest thing they do in this case.

They can't let him be interviewed. He's incapable of avoiding perjury. If they get him talking he'll hang himself for sure. It's shitty but they'll get it set up so that he can answer in writing then they will write his answers for him. He'll still attempt to sabotage it by tweeting but they should be able to protect him.

~Rocktar~

01-08-2018, 06:29 PM

They can't let him be interviewed. He's incapable of avoiding perjury. If they get him talking he'll hang himself for sure. It's shitty but they'll get it set up so that he can answer in writing then they will write his answers for him. He'll still attempt to sabotage it by tweeting but they should be able to protect him.

No one gives a shit about perjury, Hillary has multiple cases and no one blinks an eye.

Neveragain

01-08-2018, 07:21 PM

Honestly at this point I don't understand why anyone, including leftist nut jobs, point their fingers at Trump. For the first time in his life Michael Moore was right about something and you still cry about Trump.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxDRqeuLNag

I still can't believe how many people just don't understand.

Androidpk

01-08-2018, 08:18 PM

No one gives a shit about perjury

Tell that to Flynn...

Androidpk

01-08-2018, 08:19 PM

Honestly at this point I don't understand why anyone, including leftist nut jobs, point their fingers at Trump.

Because he's an unhinged moron? It's not hard to understand.

Neveragain

01-08-2018, 08:42 PM

Because he's an unhinged moron? It's not hard to understand.

Ended the mandate, pulled out of Paris agreement, 285 million cut to the UN, economy is doing OK.

Just admit that you're still bitter.

Gelston

01-08-2018, 08:45 PM

I bet if Trump fully legalized pot Pk would be singing endless praises.

Androidpk

01-08-2018, 08:50 PM

Ended the mandate, pulled out of Paris agreement, 285 million cut to the UN, economy is doing OK.

Just admit that you're still bitter.

Still bitter? What exactly am I bitter about?

Androidpk

01-08-2018, 08:52 PM

I bet if Trump fully legalized pot Pk would be singing endless praises.

I'm pretty sure there is nothing Trump could do short of resigning that would have me singing his praise.

Gelston

01-08-2018, 08:53 PM

I'm pretty sure there is nothing Trump could do short of resigning that would have me singing his praise.

I bet you'd blow him for legal pot.

Androidpk

01-08-2018, 09:02 PM

I bet you'd blow him for legal pot.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/a2/8a/3b/a28a3bba1beee5aa95139c20087e2668.gif

Gelston

01-08-2018, 09:05 PM

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/a2/8a/3b/a28a3bba1beee5aa95139c20087e2668.gif

SHOWING YOUR O FACE

Androidpk

01-08-2018, 09:19 PM

I'd rather go down on Hillary.

Gelston

01-08-2018, 09:22 PM

I'd rather go down on Hillary.

You'd rather suck hillary's dick?

Neveragain

01-08-2018, 09:46 PM

Still bitter? What exactly am I bitter about?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9tMnZKsRPY

Hillary was all like...

https://images.rapgenius.com/8i18wheluv638wgnqn84dxdfp.300x225x23.gif

~Rocktar~

01-08-2018, 10:20 PM

I bet if Trump fully legalized pot Pk would be singing endless praises.

He would likely be upset about the quality of his legal pot and the taxes.

Androidpk

01-08-2018, 10:29 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9tMnZKsRPY

Hillary was all like...

https://images.rapgenius.com/8i18wheluv638wgnqn84dxdfp.300x225x23.gif

Nope, good try though.

Parkbandit

01-09-2018, 08:11 AM

I bet if Trump fully legalized pot Pk would be singing endless praises.

Exactly this.

Then he would deny it's about legalized pot though.......

ClydeR

01-09-2018, 03:16 PM

Today, Sen. Feinstein released the 312 page Fusion GPS transcripts (https://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/_cache/files/3/9/3974a291-ddbe-4525-9ed1-22bab43c05ae/934A3562824CACA7BB4D915E97709D2F.simpson-transcript-redacted.pdf) that everybody has been talking about for the past week. So far, this is the part knowledgeable people are discussing..

Q. You said that he told you of the meeting with the FBI in Rome in mid or late September, that he "gave them a full briefing"?

A. A debrief I think is what he probably said, they had debriefed him. I don't remember him articulating the specifics of that. You know, my understanding was that they would have gotten into who his sources were, how he knew certain things, and, you know, other details based on their own intelligence. Essentially what he told me was they had other intelligence about this matter from an internal Trump campaign source and that -- that they -- my understanding was that they believed Chris at this point -- that they believed Chris's information might be credible because they had other intelligence that indicated the same thing and one of those pieces of intelligence was a human source from inside the Trump organization.

Q. And did you have any understanding then or now as to who that human intelligence source from inside the Trump campaign might have been?

MR. LEVY: He's going to decline to answer that question.

MS. SAWYER: On what basis?

MR. SIMPSON: Security.

MR. LEVY: Security.

BY THE WITNESS:
A. We had been really careful -- I was really careful throughout this process to not ask a lot of specific sourcing questions. There are some things I know that I just don't feel comfortable sharing because obviously it's been in the news a lot lately that people who get in the way of the Russians tend to get hurt.

MR. LEVY: And I would just add that there are privileges and obligations that might be implicated in the disclosure of any source related to this matter.

BY MS. SAWYER:

Q. Was this individual also a person who had been a source for Mr. Steele, without identifying who that was?

A. No.

Q. So this was someone independent of Mr. Steele's sources who potentially had information also on the same topics?

A. Yes. I mean, I don't think this implicates any of the issues to say I think it was a voluntary source, someone who was concerned about the same concerns we had.

Although contrary to the testimony, I'm going to guess that Papadopoulos was the inside source.

Wrathbringer

01-09-2018, 03:18 PM

Methais

01-09-2018, 03:24 PM

one, two or three slot fusion? The article didn't say.

What difference at this point does it make?

With the nerfs and all that is.

Androidpk

01-09-2018, 03:34 PM

Exactly this.

Then he would deny it's about legalized pot though.......

The day I sing Trump's praise is the day I do the same for Hillary.

AKA never.

Methais

01-09-2018, 05:00 PM

The day I sing Trump's praise is the day I do the same for Hillary.

AKA never.

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Androidpk

01-09-2018, 05:06 PM

https://i.imgur.com/okp66FD.gif

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Methais

01-09-2018, 05:15 PM

https://i1.wp.com/gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Ron-Swanson-Says-Dont-Even-Care.gif

https://i.imgur.com/okp66FD.gif

Wrathbringer

01-09-2018, 05:18 PM

:lol:

Androidpk

01-09-2018, 05:37 PM

https://i.imgur.com/okp66FD.gif

https://i1.wp.com/gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Ron-Swanson-Says-Dont-Even-Care.gif

Methais

01-09-2018, 07:11 PM

https://i1.wp.com/gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Ron-Swanson-Says-Dont-Even-Care.gif

https://i.imgur.com/okp66FD.gif

Androidpk

01-11-2018, 12:15 PM

Trump thinks he won't have to be interviewed by the special counsel. Not sure if he actually believes that or if its his lawyers lying to him again so he doesn't fire Mueller.

Methais

01-11-2018, 12:17 PM

Trump thinks he won't have to be interviewed by the special counsel. Not sure if he actually believes that or if its his lawyers lying to him again so he doesn't fire Mueller.

https://i.imgur.com/okp66FD.gif

Gelston

01-11-2018, 04:21 PM

Trump thinks he won't have to be interviewed by the special counsel. Not sure if he actually believes that or if its his lawyers lying to him again so he doesn't fire Mueller.

Actually, it isn't clear whether he could refuse or not. The supreme Court never gave a clear answer. There is only one way to really find out.

Androidpk

01-11-2018, 05:16 PM

Actually, it isn't clear whether he could refuse or not. The supreme Court never gave a clear answer. There is only one way to really find out.

Refuse what, a subpoena? Pretty sure the courts have already stated that POTUS has to follow laws just like everybody else.

Gelston

01-11-2018, 05:22 PM

Refuse what, a subpoena? Pretty sure the courts have already stated that POTUS has to follow laws just like everybody else.

You'd be incorrect. No President has ever refused to cooperate. Nixon probably would have been the first, but he went ahead and resigned and was pardoned.

Also, there is a thing called Executive Privilege that grants the Executive branch certain leeway in resisting subpoenas.

He isn't immune to judicial review, but in order to subpeona either the President or materials from the executive Branch it has to be proven that it is 100% necessary and important to the case.

What is more likely to happen, is Trump will get a list of questions and he'll answer them in writing.

Androidpk

01-11-2018, 05:28 PM

You'd be incorrect. No President has ever refused to cooperate. Nixon probably would have been the first, but he went ahead and resigned and was pardoned.

Also, there is a thing called Executive Privilege that grants the Executive branch certain leeway in resisting subpoenas.

I doubt he'll be able to use Executive Privilege for this but we'll see.

Gelston

01-11-2018, 05:29 PM

I doubt he'll be able to use Executive Privilege for this but we'll see.

Well, if he said he isn't going to answer a subpoena then that is pretty much how he'd have to do it.

Androidpk

01-11-2018, 05:30 PM

What is more likely to happen, is Trump will get a list of questions and he'll answer them in writing.

That is highly unlikely.

Gelston

01-11-2018, 06:02 PM

That is highly unlikely.

That is how Presidents have usually answered subpoenas. Their people get with the Investigator's people and negotiate how it'll be handled. It is very likely.

Androidpk

01-11-2018, 06:09 PM

That is how Presidents have usually answered subpoenas. Their people get with the Investigator's people and negotiate how it'll be handled. It is very likely.

Which former presidents have answered a subpoena by writing down answers to questions?

Methais

01-11-2018, 06:13 PM

Which former presidents have answered a subpoena by writing down answers to questions?

https://m.popkey.co/875ce4/9MqEv.gif

EDIT: Sorry I thought you said future presidents.

Gelston

01-11-2018, 06:14 PM

Which former presidents have answered a subpoena by writing down answers to questions?

Reagan did for the entire Iran-Contra Scandal.

Androidpk

01-16-2018, 02:41 PM

Bannon was subpoenaed to testify before the special counsel's grand jury.

Parkbandit

01-16-2018, 04:04 PM

Bannon was subpoenaed to testify before the special counsel's grand jury.

OMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMG! THIS IS REALLY IT NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !11111111111111111111111oneoneoneone

Androidpk

01-16-2018, 04:35 PM

OMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMG! THIS IS REALLY IT NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !11111111111111111111111oneoneoneone

If you say so.

Parkbandit

01-16-2018, 06:11 PM

If you say so.

What are your sources saying about this?

LOL

Methais

01-17-2018, 08:49 AM

OMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMG! THIS IS REALLY IT NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !11111111111111111111111oneoneoneone

:lol:

The very fact that so many superstars have left their extremely lucrative law firms in order to be on this team says volumes about the strength of Mueller's case. This isn't about if charges will be pressed on this administration but how severe and will there be a tandem state level prosecution (which would be immune from any executive intervention.

James Quarles:[5]

Quarles worked as an assistant special prosecutor on the Watergate Special Prosecution Force. He came with Mueller from the law firm WilmerHale.

Andrew Weissmann:[6]

Weissmann served as the chief of the Justice Department’s fraud section, where he oversaw corruption investigations, including the probe into cheating by Volkswagen on diesel emissions tests.

Greg Andres:[7]

Andres is a white-collar criminal defense attorney at the Davis Polk firm. He had worked previously in the Justice Department's criminal division as a deputy assistant attorney general.

Andrew D. Goldstein:[8]

Goldstein headed the public corruption unit in the U.S. Attorney's Office in the Southern District of New York. He had worked there under Preet Bharara, whom President Trump fired as U.S. attorney after he refused to resign.

Elizabeth Prelogar:[9]

Prelogar is a lawyer in the solicitor general’s office.

Rush Atkinson:[10]

Atkinson is a trial attorney in the Justice Department's fraud section.

Aaron Zebley:[11]

Zebley is a former assistant U.S. attorney in the Eastern District of Virginia and served as Mueller’s chief of staff when Mueller was FBI director. He came with Mueller from WilmerHale.

Michael Dreeben:[12]

Dreeben is a Justice Department deputy solicitor general who has argued more than 100 cases before the Supreme Court.

Adam Jed:[13]

Jed is an appellate lawyer from the Justice Department’s civil division.

Aaron Zelinsky:[14]

Zelinsky is an assistant U.S. attorney in Maryland.

Kyle Freeney[15

Freeney is an attorney on detail from the Criminal Division’s Money Laundering and Asset Recovery Section. In 2016, she was part of a Department of Justice team seeking to recover over $1 billion from an alleged corrupt Malaysian sovereign wealth fund.

Zainab Ahmad:[16]

Ahmad is an assistant U.S. attorney in the Eastern District of New York who specializes in counterterrorism cases. She was recently profiled in the New Yorker, which reported she had successfully prosecuted 13 terrorism cases since 2009 without a single loss.

Jeannie Rhee:[17]

Rhee is a former deputy assistant attorney general in the Office of Legal Counsel and assistant U.S. attorney in D.C. She also came from WilmerHale.

Brandon Van Grack:[18]

Van Grack is a Justice Department national security division prosecutor.

:lol:

Androidpk

01-17-2018, 04:02 PM

Bannon and Mueller came to some sort of an agreement and he'll be interviewed by Mueller's team instead of having to appear before the grand jury.

Androidpk

01-18-2018, 02:52 PM

So a judge has denied Mueller's request to have Manaforts trial start in May, saying he doesn't think the trial will start until sometime in September or October. Doesn't exactly bode well for the GOP going into the midterm election in November with this playing out in media during that time frame.

~Rocktar~

01-21-2018, 01:37 PM

So, there is this memo by the intelligence committee outlining abuses in how the FISA warrant was obtained. Many talking heads in the media and in the Congress who have seen it claim that if made public that many heads would roll and the whole investigation would be shown to be a sham. Who wants to bet on if or when the memo will be declassified? Who all will be embarrassed at the sketchy shit our government has been doing in the shadows to undermine the people's will? How many on both sides will be caught in this dumpster fire?

Latrinsorm

01-21-2018, 01:55 PM

Androidpk

01-21-2018, 04:08 PM

You should put the same credence in a memo written by a Republican Representative about how the FBI broke the law as you would a memo written by a Democrat Representative about how Trump colluded with Russia.

But that's now things work in rocktar's black and white world of Republicans are good and Democrats are evil.

Methais

01-21-2018, 07:35 PM

You should put the same credence in a memo written by a Republican Representative about how the FBI broke the law as you would a memo written by a Democrat Representative about how Trump colluded with Russia.

That must be why they're trying to have it made public for everyone to see, right?

Latrinsorm

01-21-2018, 07:41 PM

That must be why they're trying to have it made public for everyone to see, right?Man, come on. Republicans have the majority in the House of Representatives and the Select Committee on Intelligence. You think if they really wanted the memo written by a Republican made public they'd just be "trying" to do so? It would be done.

Androidpk

01-21-2018, 08:07 PM

That must be why they're trying to have it made public for everyone to see, right?

Why won't they let the FBI look at the memo? Why are Russian bots pushing this memo thing so hard?

Back

01-22-2018, 09:37 AM

We've been, and still are, played by Putin and Russia. Some of us moreso than others.

The #SchumerShutdown Hashtag Is Getting A Big Boost From Russian Bots (https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/government-shutdown-russia-twitter-trump_us_5a654795e4b0dc592a0a06c8?ncid=inblnkushpm g00000009)

WASHINGTON ― As lawmakers wage a messaging war over who caused the government shutdown, Republicans and the White House are getting a big boost in their efforts to blame Democrats for the mess ― from the Russians.

#SchumerShutdown ― the hashtag that GOP leaders and the White House are using to accuse Democrats of causing the shutdown ― on Sunday night became the top trending hashtag being promoted by Russian bots and trolls on Twitter, according to the Alliance for Securing Democracy, a project led by former top national security officials from both parties.

Here’s a chart by Alliance for Securing Democracy, last updated at 10 p.m. Sunday, showing the #SchumerShutdown hashtag blowing up among Russia-linked influence networks.

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#SchumerShutdown has surpassed #ReleaseTheMemo as the highest trending hashtag among Russian influence campaigns. They seized on that hashtag earlier this month (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/right-wing-demand-releasethememo-endorsed-russian-bots-trolls-n839141) in an effort to pressure Republican lawmakers to release a classified memo written by House GOP aides that allegedly describes abuses in FBI surveillance practices. Conservative organizations like Breitbart and the Daily Caller have given major coverage to the memo, but Democratic lawmakers have denounced it as deeply misleading.

Alliance for Securing Democracy tracks activity from 600 monitored Twitter accounts (http://dashboard.securingdemocracy.org/)linked to Russian influence operations. It has found that Russian bots and trolls frequently amplify content attacking the United States, conspiracy theories and misinformation.

Which party is to blame for the shutdown? It’s complicated, but Republicans control Congress and President Donald Trump started this fight (https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/government-shutdown-explained_us_5a62427be4b0125fd6366e88?utm_hp_ref=i mmigration) in September, when he unilaterally ended the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program.

Wrathbringer

01-22-2018, 09:59 AM

We've been, and still are, played by Putin and Russia. Some of us moreso than others.

Stop being retarded.

Back

01-22-2018, 10:03 AM

Stop being retarded.

Stop colluding with the Russians.

Parkbandit

01-22-2018, 10:16 AM

We've been, and still are, played by Putin and Russia. Some of us moreso than others.

You're being played by the Democrats. They needed an excuse for their monumental failure in 2016... came up with this.. and their base swallowed it whole.

Keep swallowing.

Back

01-22-2018, 10:21 AM

You're being played by the Democrats. They needed an excuse for their monumental failure in 2016... came up with this.. and their base swallowed it whole.

Keep swallowing.

Ja commrade. Dezinformatsiya!

Methais

01-22-2018, 10:51 AM

Stop colluding with the Russians.

Yeah Wrathbringer, stop colluding with Russians. I bet your inbox on the PC is full of messages from Putin. Why are you hiding your inbox? WHY AREN'T YOU BEING TRANSPARENT!?!?!?!?!?!

Ja commrade. Dezinformatsiya!

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ClydeR

01-22-2018, 08:43 PM

Attorney General Jeff Sessions — at the public urging of President Donald Trump — has been pressuring FBI Director Christopher Wray to fire Deputy Director Andrew McCabe, but Wray threatened to resign if McCabe was removed, according to three sources with direct knowledge.

More... (https://www.axios.com/scoop-1516661397-877adb3e-5f8d-44a1-8a2f-d4f0894ca6a7.html)

Sessions need to deny this quick.

Androidpk

01-23-2018, 02:34 PM

Jeff "I can't recall" Sessions is the latest to have been interviewed by Mueller.

Methais

01-23-2018, 04:31 PM

Jeff "I can't recall" Sessions is the latest to have been interviewed by Mueller.

His memory must be off from all those years of not smoking pot.

Androidpk

01-23-2018, 04:43 PM

His memory must be off from all those years of not smoking pot.

He's one of those in the closet smokers, probably dabs 10 grams a day.

Wrathbringer

01-23-2018, 04:45 PM

He's one of those in the closet smokers, probably dabs 10 grams a day.

in one big blunt

Methais

01-23-2018, 05:36 PM

He's one of those in the closet smokers, probably dabs 10 grams a day.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6V1EpBy-F0

Gelston

01-23-2018, 05:37 PM

It's been six months since this thread was created. How slowly is this heating up?

Methais

01-23-2018, 05:37 PM

It's been six months since this thread was created. How slowly is this heating up?

A watched pot never boils.

Gelston

01-23-2018, 05:42 PM

pot

Reported.

Methais

01-23-2018, 05:43 PM

Reported.

https://mgtvwten.files.wordpress.com/2017/01/jeffsessions.jpg?w=640

Neveragain

01-23-2018, 09:49 PM

It's been six months since this thread was created. How slowly is this heating up?

https://media.giphy.com/media/vVu8WmHOw2Iww/giphy.gif

~Rocktar~

01-23-2018, 11:36 PM

It's been six months since this thread was created. How slowly is this heating up?

If it was the boil a frog experiment the frog would have had tadpoles, they could have grown up and had tadpoles and all of them would have died from dry skin due to natural evaporation.

Androidpk

01-24-2018, 03:51 PM

Jeff "I can't recall" Sessions is the latest to have been interviewed by Mueller.

Forgot to mention Comey was questioned as well.

Androidpk

01-24-2018, 03:52 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6V1EpBy-F0

JHC.. I want to know what happened to him afterwards. Did he die?

Methais

01-24-2018, 06:54 PM

JHC.. I want to know what happened to him afterwards. Did he die?

He became Attorney General.

Androidpk

01-24-2018, 07:28 PM

He became Attorney General.

Seriously, I watched a video of a guy doing a 5 gram dab and he just straight up fell over and blacked out. Can't imagine what this dude was feeling like.

Androidpk

01-26-2018, 12:49 AM

WASHINGTON — President Trump ordered the firing last June of Robert S. Mueller III, the special counsel overseeing the Russia investigation, according to four people told of the matter, but ultimately backed down after the White House counsel threatened to resign rather than carry out the directive.

The West Wing confrontation marks the first time Mr. Trump is known to have tried to fire the special counsel. Mr. Mueller learned about the episode in recent months as his investigators interviewed current and former senior White House officials in his inquiry into whether the president obstructed justice.

Androidpk

01-26-2018, 02:03 AM

BTW giving the order to fire Mueller in itself is obstruction of justice.

Gelston

01-26-2018, 02:16 AM

Good thing he never actually gave the order to fire him.

Androidpk

01-26-2018, 02:18 AM

Good thing he never actually gave the order to fire him.

says who?

Gelston

01-26-2018, 02:19 AM

says who?

Is Mueller fired?

Androidpk

01-26-2018, 02:23 AM

Is Mueller fired?

No, because the order wasn't followed through with. Just because the act wasn't carried out doesn't change anything.

Gelston

01-26-2018, 02:25 AM

No, because the order wasn't followed through with. Just because the act wasn't carried out doesn't change anything.

I imagine if Trump ordered Mueller to be fired, he'd be fired. I'm sure he wanted him fired, he even made the case as to why to McGahn, but McGahn didn't feel there was a case, so he backed off.... You know, because his Counsel advised him. Wanting to fire someone, but ultimately not doing it, is not obstruction in anyway.

Androidpk

01-26-2018, 02:30 AM

I imagine if Trump ordered Mueller to be fired, he'd be fired. I'm sure he wanted him fired, he even made the case as to why to McGahn, but McGahn didn't feel there was a case, so he backed off.... You know, because his Counsel advised him. Wanting to fire someone, but ultimately not doing it, is not obstruction in anyway.

WASHINGTON — President Trump ordered the firing last June of Robert S. Mueller III, the special counsel overseeing the Russia investigation, according to four people told of the matter, but ultimately backed down after the White House counsel threatened to resign rather than carry out the directive..

Notice the bolded part. Trump didn't inquire about firing Mueller, he ordered it, and the order was refused, with WH counsel saying they'd resign, making Trump back down.

Gelston

01-26-2018, 02:34 AM

Yes, a webzine said Trump ordered something. Big whoop. I bet the conversation happened like this

Trump: I'm going to fire Mueller
McGahn: That'd be a bad idea.
Trump: No, he is gone call him up.
McGahn: You shouldn't do this.
Trump: No, he has a conflict of interest. Get him on the line.
McGahn: Mr President, you hired me to be your Counsel. Take my counsel, otherwise I don't know what I'm doing here and I'll go.
Trump: Okay, okay, you made your point. I won't fire him.
McGahn: The Guggeinheim is offering us a golden toilet.
Trump: Score.

And also, there isn't any obstruction. Nothing happened. Mueller wasn't fired. No one told him he was fired. He wasn't effected in anyway.

Androidpk

01-26-2018, 02:37 AM

The New York Times is a webzine?

Gelston

01-26-2018, 02:39 AM

The New York Times is a webzine?

I knew that is all you'd get from that. Either that or the toilet.

Androidpk

01-26-2018, 02:40 AM

Androidpk

01-26-2018, 02:42 AM

You can bet Mueller will be interviewing McGahn if he already hasn't.

Gelston

01-26-2018, 02:42 AM

Also, obstruction of justice does not need to be successful in order to be considered obstruction of justice. Trump asking Comey to drop the investigation on Flynn was obstruction of justice even though the FBI didn't drop its investigation against Flynn. Take some courses on government, noob.

Except that nothing that Trump did involving this supposed order had any effect on Mueller or the investigation in anyway.

You can bet Mueller will be interviewing McGahn if he already hasn't.

On what grounds? Because he talked Trump out of firing him? That would make it a conflict of interest for sure.

Androidpk

01-26-2018, 02:43 AM

Doesn't matter.

Gelston

01-26-2018, 02:47 AM

Doesn't matter.

Um, yes it does. That is 100% legit grounds for firing Mueller.

McGahn could refuse on the grounds of being Trump's lawyer anyways.

Androidpk

01-26-2018, 02:51 AM

False, reported for fake comments.

Gelston

01-26-2018, 02:54 AM

False, reported for fake comments.

Which part? That it is conflict of interest when asking about something directly involving himself or that attorneys have ethical obligations to their clients that would lead to their disbarrment if they violated?

Androidpk

01-26-2018, 02:59 AM

You're just dead setting on making excuses up for Trump's illegal actions.

Gelston

01-26-2018, 03:03 AM

You're just dead setting on making excuses up for Trump's illegal actions.

What illegal action did he do?

Neveragain

01-26-2018, 08:14 AM

You're just dead setting on making excuses up for Trump's illegal actions.

Dude, there is nothing here. Quit buying into the bread and circus.

https://i.imgur.com/YdkrSBy.jpg

Back

01-26-2018, 08:54 AM

Dude, there is nothing here. Quit buying into the bread and circus.

Curious where you got that image. Looks like Russian propaganda because it is totally contradictory to reality.

Methais

01-26-2018, 08:56 AM

False, reported for fake comments.

Reported for reporting in the wrong thread.

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Methais

01-26-2018, 08:59 AM

Curious where you got that image. Looks like Russian propaganda because it is totally contradictory to reality.

You're Russian propaganda.

Neveragain

01-26-2018, 09:03 AM

Curious where you got that image. Looks like Russian propaganda because it is totally contradictory to reality.

You got me, the Russian hookers I slept with at the Kremlin last night left it on the bedside table. :blush:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tikrhc3uCs

Methais

01-26-2018, 09:12 AM

What does Backlash do when he's not drunk posting on the PC or owning/leasing/managing a restaurant?

Parkbandit

01-26-2018, 09:42 AM

Curious where you got that image. Looks like Russian propaganda because it is totally contradictory to the reality I was told to believe in.

FTFY

Parkbandit

01-26-2018, 09:43 AM

What does Backlash do when he's not drunk posting on the PC or owning/leasing/managing a restaurant?

Watches MSNBC on loop.

Tsk Tsk

01-26-2018, 10:18 AM

What illegal action did he do?

So accordinging to Cornell Law School, "Obstruction of justice is defined in the omnibus clause of 18 U.S.C. Â§ 1503, which provides that "whoever . . . . corruptly or by threats or force, or by any threatening letter or communication, influences, obstructs, or impedes, or endeavors to influence, obstruct, or impede, the due administration of justice, shall be (guilty of an offense)." Persons are charged under this statute based on allegations that a defendant intended to intefere with an official proceeding, by doing things such as destroying evidence, or intefering with the duties of jurors or court officers."

A person obstructs justice when they have a specific intent to obstruct or interfere with a judicial proceeding. For a person to be convicted of obstructing justice, they must not only have the specific intent to obstruct the proceeding, but the person must know (1) that a proceeding was actually pending at the time; and (2) there must be a nexus between the defendantÂ’s endeavor to obstruct justice and the proceeding, and the defendant must have knowledge of this nexus.

So intent is clearly a crucial component even if unsuccessful. Now this goes back to your other argument that he was simply being totally honest and wanting to avoid a conflict of interest. Which, even if true and Trump is totally innocent, it's likely a very good thing that he was pressured to not do it because I don't think his presidency could have survived the outrage.

Rheisia

01-26-2018, 10:25 AM

You can bet Mueller will be interviewing McGahn if he already hasn't.

He has.

Twice.

Trump might be able to survive the inevitable obstruction report in a non-election year, but it's going to come out right around the primaries. That's bad news. The GOP will turn on him the second he becomes an even more serious political liability than he is now.

Or, this will result in the craziest candidates winning the GOP nomination for their races- which just makes it even more likely the Dems take the house. And that's going to guarantee impeachment.

Wrathbringer

01-26-2018, 10:28 AM

He has.

Twice.

Trump might be able to survive the inevitable obstruction report in a non-election year, but it's going to come out right around the primaries. That's bad news. The GOP will turn on him the second he becomes an even more serious political liability than he is now.

Or, this will result in the craziest candidates winning the GOP nomination for their races- which just makes it even more likely the Dems take the house. And that's going to guarantee impeachment.

LOL That's the most retarded thing I've heard in a couple of days, and Back posted yesterday, so...

Methais

01-26-2018, 11:01 AM

Androidpk

01-26-2018, 12:09 PM

Dude, there is nothing here.

Keep telling yourself that.

Gelston

01-26-2018, 02:52 PM

So intent is clearly a crucial component even if unsuccessful. Now this goes back to your other argument that he was simply being totally honest and wanting to avoid a conflict of interest. Which, even if true and Trump is totally innocent, it's likely a very good thing that he was pressured to not do it because I don't think his presidency could have survived the outrage.

What are you? The fucking precrimes division now? Intent only matters when a criminal action has occurred. There has been no crime here. He never actually did anything. Mueller, nor the investigation,m was in no way effected.

Gelston

01-26-2018, 02:53 PM

Lets call this what it is, a "nothing burger". Excellent counsel stopped trump from making a mistake. That is all this is here.

ClydeR

01-26-2018, 04:14 PM

Intent only matters when a criminal action has occurred.

An "endeavor" to obstruct justice is what makes it a crime, even if there is no actual obstruction.

Gelston

01-26-2018, 04:25 PM

An "endeavor" to obstruct justice is what makes it a crime, even if there is no actual obstruction.

No endeavor was made, he was wanting to fire Mueller because of perceived conflict of interest, which was conflict about a golf club membership. The "endeavor" (that never occurred) was about that. Not obstructing the investigation. Mueller would have been replaced.

Having read section 1503 on "endeavoring to obstruct justice" it still requires an action. No action left that office. It is more on attempting to destroy evidence, but failing to, or trying to coerce someone into lying under Oath, but they still tell the truth. It is broad, but it still requires action.

Androidpk

01-26-2018, 04:59 PM

No endeavor was made

He told McGahn to fire Mueller.

Methais

01-26-2018, 05:58 PM

Intent only matters when a criminal action has occurred unless you're Hillary Clinton in 2016.

Fixed.

Methais

01-26-2018, 06:00 PM

He told McGahn to fire Mueller.

And they were like "That's a bad idea because reasons. It's such a bad idea that I'd quit my job first." and he was like "Ok nevermind."

Stop being so desperate. Nothing is going to come out of this. All this false hope is going to make you roll up a monk.

Androidpk

01-26-2018, 06:12 PM

Stop being so desperate. Nothing is going to come out of this.

And you're basing this assumption off what? In an alternate reality where Trump is a Democrat you'd be all over this like Wrathbringer on a piece of shit.

All this false hope is going to make you roll up a monk.

I've had a monk ever since they first allowed conversions.

Latrinsorm

01-26-2018, 07:24 PM

I imagine if Trump ordered Mueller to be fired, he'd be fired.:lol:
Except that nothing that Trump did involving this supposed order had any effect on Mueller or the investigation in anyway.Under United States law an investigation doesn't even have to be taking place for prosecutable obstruction to occur. This necessarily means that affecting an investigation is irrelevant.
No endeavor was made, he was wanting to fire Mueller because of perceived conflict of interest, which was conflict about a golf club membership.What's more plausible for a June attempt to fire Mueller, a golf club membership that he knew about since the inception of the investigation in May, or the reports in June that Mueller was specifically investigating the President?
The "endeavor" (that never occurred) was about that. Not obstructing the investigation. Mueller would have been replaced.Mueller's replaceability is irrelevant, just as Cox's was in 1973.

Neveragain

01-26-2018, 07:35 PM

He has.

Twice.

Trump might be able to survive the inevitable obstruction report in a non-election year, but it's going to come out right around the primaries. That's bad news. The GOP will turn on him the second he becomes an even more serious political liability than he is now.

Or, this will result in the craziest candidates winning the GOP nomination for their races- which just makes it even more likely the Dems take the house. And that's going to guarantee impeachment.

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Wrathbringer

01-26-2018, 07:48 PM

:lol:Under United States law an investigation doesn't even have to be taking place for prosecutable obstruction to occur. This necessarily means that affecting an investigation is irrelevant.What's more plausible for a June attempt to fire Mueller, a golf club membership that he knew about since the inception of the investigation in May, or the reports in June that Mueller was specifically investigating the President?Mueller's replaceability is irrelevant, just as Cox's was in 1973.

Cut a fart.

Wrathbringer

01-26-2018, 07:51 PM

And you're basing this assumption off what? In an alternate reality where Trump is a Democrat you'd be all over this like Wrathbringer on a piece of shit.

I've never been on you so not sure what you meant by that.

~Rocktar~

01-27-2018, 12:31 AM

So when is Mueller and this partisan lynch mob going to stop wasting our damn money since there is obviously no Russian collusion?

Mueller is an establishment RINO buddy of Comey, his hand picked team are full of Democrats, Democrat donors/supporters and never Trumpers, his FBI investigators were so biased that even he could not cover for them and after a year in office, there is nothing. Not one solid shred of collusion. He is on a mission and manufacturing a cause to line his pockets and only you foolish MSM/MSNBC/CNN zombies can't see it. The Democrats continue to beat this dead horse so they can try and retain some semblance of relevance after their campaign of obstruction and Schumer's folly has substantially weakened them and destroyed the last shreds of credibility they may have had. And in the process of this political ouroboros they have pretty well destroyed the FBIs reputation for a decade if not a generation.

So, when will they stop wasting our money?

Androidpk

01-27-2018, 12:49 AM

~Rocktar~

01-27-2018, 02:43 AM

Says the hyper-partisan Faux News zombie.

Don't know how many times I have to say it, no matter how much you want it to be true, I am not a TV zombie like yourself, I don't own one and I don't watch it. Sorry. OH and they have Crappy News Network on at work.

OH, and I never lied and said I was non-partisan like you and so many other mush headed Socialists.

Androidpk

01-27-2018, 08:24 AM

Don't know how many times I have to say it, no matter how much you want it to be true, I am not a TV zombie like yourself, I don't own one and I don't watch it. Sorry. OH and they have Crappy News Network on at work.

OH, and I never lied and said I was non-partisan like you and so many other mush headed Socialists.

You do realize Faux News isn't just limited to the TV right? They're on the internet as well? And no one accused you of lying about not being a wack job partisan.

Androidpk

01-27-2018, 08:27 AM

One GOP senator made a decent point though; if Trump is so innocent then why is he trying to fire anyone who's trying to investigate him?

It isn't one GOP senator though, Mueller has bipartisan support in both the House and the Senate. Mueller is a Republican. The person who appointed him, Rosenstein, is a Republican. These facts don't stop idiots like Rocktar from screaming this is all a vast left wing conspiracy.

Neveragain

01-27-2018, 09:12 AM

It isn't one GOP senator though, Mueller has bipartisan support in both the House and the Senate. Mueller is a Republican. The person who appointed him, Rosenstein, is a Republican. These facts don't stop idiots like Rocktar from screaming this is all a vast left wing conspiracy.

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cwolff

01-27-2018, 09:43 AM

Judge the two men based on their deeds...

https://pics.me.me/staffstaff-robert-mueller-ill-3rd-marine-division-vietnam-1969-donald-28823329.png

Mueller's face: "I've seen some things..." - Vietnam War Hero.

Trump's face: "Gonna get so hammered then bang that blonde I saw at the bowl-a-rama, heh awwright" -Piece of shit.

Though I agree Trumps a silver spoon spoiled little cunt, that's not actually a photo of Mueller. Mueller did enlist in the Marines and attended bootcamp at Parris Island but he went from there through OCS and received his commission. When he was in VietNam he was an officer.

Androidpk

01-27-2018, 09:54 AM

Here's the real photo of Mueller in Vietnam

http://cdn1-www.craveonline.com/assets/uploads/2013/02/file_204449_5_Rambo_III.jpg

Hammibal

01-27-2018, 10:37 AM

Here's the real photo of Mueller in Vietnam

http://cdn1-www.craveonline.com/assets/uploads/2013/02/file_204449_5_Rambo_III.jpg

Rep added.

Latrinsorm

01-27-2018, 12:18 PM

So when is Mueller and this partisan lynch mob going to stop wasting our damn money since there is obviously no Russian collusion?The Mueller investigation could go on for another two years and still cost less than the new refrigerators in Air Force One.

With that said, if you have first hand knowledge that there is no Russian collusion please feel free to contact the investigation at your earliest convenience. I'm sure they would love to hear from you.

Gelston

01-27-2018, 12:37 PM

The Mueller investigation could go on for another two years and still cost less than the new refrigerators in Air Force One.

With that said, if you have first hand knowledge that there is no Russian collusion please feel free to contact the investigation at your earliest convenience. I'm sure they would love to hear from you.

The refrigerators are probably Samsungs, that is why they are so expensive.

~Rocktar~

01-27-2018, 07:47 PM

You do realize Faux News isn't just limited to the TV right? They're on the internet as well? And no one accused you of lying about not being a wack job partisan.

So because they are on the internet I automatically watch them? Do I need to point out how amazingly ridiculous this inference is? And you did imply that somehow you felt I was disingenuous in being a partisan.

It isn't one GOP senator though, Mueller has bipartisan support in both the House and the Senate. Mueller is a Republican. The person who appointed him, Rosenstein, is a Republican. These facts don't stop idiots like Rocktar from screaming this is all a vast left wing conspiracy.

Latrin says he is a Republican too. What's your point? At one time, slavery had support and women lacking the right to vote along with the 3/5ths rule. Popular support for something or someone does not make them right.

Androidpk

01-27-2018, 07:55 PM

The point is that your notion that this is a partisan witch hunt isn't ground in reality. It has support from people all across the political spectrum.

Androidpk

01-27-2018, 07:57 PM

And you did imply that somehow you felt I was disingenuous in being a partisan.

No, I didn't. There was never any doubt about you being a political hack. As I've said before you're the conservative equivalent of Ashliana.

Androidpk

01-27-2018, 11:41 PM

President Trump not only sought to have special counsel Robert Mueller fired, he also sought to discredit top FBI officials out of fear that they could be witnesses against him.

Following former FBI Director James Comey’s testimony before the Senate intelligence committee last June, Trump ordered aides to smear three potential FBI witnesses who could confirm that the President tried to end or influence Mueller’s investigation, Foreign Policy reported on Friday.

Cool, so add witness tampering to the list.

Candor

01-28-2018, 03:48 AM

The Mueller investigation could go on for another two years and still cost less than the new refrigerators in Air Force One.

They are not refrigerators. They are officially called "cold chiller units". Get it straight :).

And yeah, the cost is beyond ridiculous ($24 million).

Taernath

01-28-2018, 10:37 AM

A regular 747 costs upward of 350 million. Even with the modifications specifically for Air Force One, it's not a lot in comparison.

Androidpk

01-28-2018, 11:45 AM

Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) on Sunday said special counsel Robert Mueller should take a look at reports that President Trump tried to fire him last summer.

"I don't know if the story is true or not, but I know this, Mueller should look at it," Graham said on ABC's "This Week."

Graham's comments follow a New York Times report this week saying Trump wanted to fire Mueller last June.
Trump reportedly backed off of the order when White House counsel Don McGahn threatened to quit.

"Don McGahn, if the story is true in the New York Times, did the right thing, and the good news is the president listened," Graham said.

"The investigation needs to go forward without political interference, and I'm sure it will," he continued. “As a matter of fact, I think Mr. Mueller is the perfect guy to get to the bottom of all this, and he will.”

"I see no evidence President Trump wants to fire Mueller now," he continued. "I don't know what happened back last year, but it's pretty clear to me that everybody in the White House knows it would be the end of President Trump's presidency if he fired Mr. Mueller."

Neveragain

01-28-2018, 12:30 PM

A regular 747 costs upward of 350 million. Even with the modifications specifically for Air Force One, it's not a lot in comparison.

The two current Air Force One planes are due for replacement. The planes are highly customized Boeing 747-200B series jets that were purchased under President Ronald Reagan's administration and began service in 1990 under President George H. W. Bush. But because Boeing shut down its 747-200 production several years ago, it has become extremely difficult to replace the planes' parts, according to the trade publication Defense One. That's why, during his second term in office, President Barack Obama ordered a replacement fleet for the Air Force One program that will be built based on the new 747-8 series.

All of the customization and facilities cost a lot. According to a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) letter obtained by Judicial Watch, Obama's Air Force One cost taxpayers $206,337 every hour it flew. Building the replacement 747-8 jets will also be expensive — an estimated $3.73 billion over 12 years. But that's still a small portion of the entire defense budget of $8.132 trillion over that same 12-year time frame, according to Politifact. But because those costs are driven by national security concerns, they could go up in time, too.

https://www.livescience.com/57933-facts-about-air-force-one.html

I was trying to find how long AF-1 could stay in flight and that's top secret crypto shit I guess.

Androidpk

01-28-2018, 01:11 PM

I was trying to find how long AF-1 could stay in flight and that's top secret crypto shit I guess.

It's capable of mid-air refueling, so, pretty much indefinitely as long as the logistics are available.

Neveragain

01-28-2018, 01:13 PM

Methais

01-28-2018, 01:16 PM

All for one man who can "talk real good..."

I cry.

What does Obama with his Teleprompter have to do with it?

Androidpk

01-28-2018, 01:24 PM

So now we are listening to Lindsey Graham?

https://media1.tenor.com/images/fcfbacf6b056ccadf1dd3727ec93bd7e/tenor.gif?itemid=4716826

Is he not a Republican?

Androidpk

01-28-2018, 01:25 PM

A Republican member of the House Intelligence Committee said he supports Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation into Russia’s potential interference in the 2016 election and Donald Trump campaign’s contacts with Russia.

Speaking on "Fox News Sunday," Rep. Trey Gowdy said he “100 percent” supports Mueller.

“I told my Republican colleagues, ‘Leave him the hell alone’ and that’s still my advice,” Gowdy said.

Neveragain

01-28-2018, 01:26 PM

It's capable of mid-air refueling, so, pretty much indefinitely as long as the logistics are available.

Came by a guy talking about a helicopter he piloted in Vietnam that could have it's lubrication systems serviced in flight so I think we can assume AF-1 can stay in flight indefinitely. I would be willing to bet every critical system is serviceable in flight.

Says somewhere it's designed to accommodate up to 70 passengers. 24 million really is not a whole lot considering what's being accomplished.

Neveragain

01-28-2018, 01:26 PM

Is he not a Republican?

In name only. Come on dude, Graham?

Androidpk

01-28-2018, 01:29 PM

In name only. Come on dude, Graham?

Yes, Graham. Just because you don't agree with him doesn't mean he isn't a Republican. That's not how this works.

Neveragain

01-28-2018, 01:38 PM

Yes, Graham. Just because you don't agree with him doesn't mean he isn't a Republican. That's not how this works.

Graham will say anything, honestly man, Lindsey is a POS and should not be trusted at all. There's nothing more that fucker would love than to find some bullshit to implicate Russia, he's a fucking warmonger.

Androidpk

01-28-2018, 01:40 PM

Graham will say anything, honestly man, Lindsey is a POS and should not be trusted at all. There's nothing more that fucker would love than to find some bullshit to implicate Russia, he's a fucking warmonger.

Spoken like a Putin apologist.

Neveragain

01-28-2018, 01:50 PM

Spoken like a Putin apologist.

What reason do I have to dislike Putin or the Russian people?

Is Hillary Clinton a terrible human being?

Taernath

01-28-2018, 01:50 PM

https://www.livescience.com/57933-facts-about-air-force-one.html

I was trying to find how long AF-1 could stay in flight and that's top secret crypto shit I guess.

One article I read claimed ~3 weeks, with the food stored in those new freezers. They're gigantic.

Neveragain

01-28-2018, 01:57 PM

One article I read claimed ~3 weeks, with the food stored in those new freezers. They're gigantic.

I was guessing around a month.

Androidpk

01-28-2018, 02:57 PM

They're highly specialized machines from 1990. They're not going to be cheap. Not to mention since it's AF1 they have to go through the military's procurement procedures.

Gelston

01-28-2018, 04:19 PM

They also aren't really mass produced. There aren't factories configured to make those specific friges.

ClydeR

01-28-2018, 06:16 PM

Chuck Todd asked a good question in his intro this morning on Meet the Press. After the leak that Trump tried to fire Mueller, why was it so easy for every news network to get quick private off-the-record confirmation of that fact from the White House, even while the President denied it publicly?

What's not so predictable is what happens next, the attempted firing has prompted many questions: who leaked the story about President Trump's intentions and why? Why was it so easy for news organizations to quickly match the Times' scoop unless someone wanted this story out? And was it a sign that President Trump is, again, considering the dismissal of Mueller? Is it a warning to him to not to do it? Or was this a trial balloon to see if he can?

More... (https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/meet-press-january-28-2018-n841756)

ClydeR

01-28-2018, 06:25 PM

Ken Starr, the special prosecutor who referred Bill Clinton to the House for impeachment, was on ABC's This Week today. He mostly said that, based on what is publicly known about Trump's behavior with Comey and Mueller, he does not believe Trump committed the crime of obstruction of justice. Then Martha Raddatz asked Starr about Trump lying to the public..

RADDATZ: Mr. Starr -- Mr. Starr, I want to -- I want to jump in, here. I want to ask you about -- you talked about lying, you talked about President Clinton. I want to ask you about President Trump’s public denial that he’d -- he had even thought of firing Robert Mueller.

One of the reasons you cited is grounds for impeachment against President Clinton was Clinton’s public denials of having sexual relations with Monica Lewinsky. You wrote the president made and caused to be made false statements to the American people about his relationship with Ms. Lewinsky by publicly and emphatically stating in January 1998 that I did not have sexual relations with that woman, and these allegations are false.

The president also effectively delayed a possible congressional inquiry. This represents substantial and credible (ph) information that may constitute grounds for an impeachment. If the reports are correct that President Trump sought to have Mueller fired, then his public denial would be false.

So would that be grounds for impeachment?

STARR: I think lying to the American people is a serious issue that has to be explored. I take lying to the American people very, very seriously. So absolutely, I think – what Dan was talking about was this effort to get rid of the investigation.

More... (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/week-transcript-28-18-sen-lindsey-graham/story?id=52651719)

Lying to the public is not a crime, of course. I did not realize that it was grounds for impeachment, nor did I realize it was part of the basis for the impeachment of Bill Clinton.

~Rocktar~

01-28-2018, 06:55 PM

Ken Starr, the special prosecutor who referred Bill Clinton to the House for impeachment, was on ABC's This Week today. He mostly said that, based on what is publicly known about Trump's behavior with Comey and Mueller, he does not believe Trump committed the crime of obstruction of justice. Then Martha Raddatz asked Starr about Trump lying to the public..

Lying to the public is not a crime, of course. I did not realize that it was grounds for impeachment, nor did I realize it was part of the basis for the impeachment of Bill Clinton.

Anything that the House wants to bring charges for can be grounds for impeachment, it should indeed be a crime, however if lying to the public is a crime, then Obama needs to be hauled off because "If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor"

Clinton was prosecuted for perjury under oath to a grand jury. Not lying to the people. Starr wants to get paid for his appearance.

Hillary also lied under oath to Congress. So, the Dems need to think seriously about wanting to haul up Trump on this bullshit. Also, to impeach, it will take a majority in the house and then over 60 in the senate to convict. Amazingly unlikely with this economy that they can win enough seats. All this is doing is hurting their cause and deflecting from real issues. Also, if they gained a warrant by false means, it kind of invalidates any other evidence Mueller gets on anyone.

It's a shit show and nothing the Dems can do will change it, Mueller is damaged, the investigation is a joke and the FBI looks like many members drank the cool aid to cover for Hillary. Their reputation is shot to hell with this.

Androidpk

01-28-2018, 07:03 PM

Lying to the public is not a crime, of course. I did not realize that it was grounds for impeachment, nor did I realize it was part of the basis for the impeachment of Bill Clinton.

From Nixon's Articles of Impleachment:

8. making or causing to be made false or misleading public statements for the purpose of deceiving the people of the United States into believing that a thorough and complete investigation had been conducted with respect to allegations of misconduct on the part of personnel of the executive branch of the United States and personnel of the Committee for the Re-election of the President, and that there was no involvement of such personnel in such misconduct

Androidpk

01-28-2018, 07:04 PM

It's a shit show and nothing the Dems can do will change it, Mueller is damaged, the investigation is a joke and the FBI looks like many members drank the cool aid to cover for Hillary. Their reputation is shot to hell with this.

Stop eating lead paint chips.

Latrinsorm

01-28-2018, 08:58 PM

Anything that the House wants to bring charges for can be grounds for impeachment, it should indeed be a crime, however if lying to the public is a crime, then Obama needs to be hauled off because "If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor"We can all agree that President Obama is in serious trouble... whoops!!! Obama is no longer President, and is Constitutionally ineligible to run for President again. Ha! Ha! I guess we should stop whining about other people, after all.
Hillary also lied under oath to Congress. So, the Dems need to think seriously about wanting to haul up Trump on this bullshit.We can definitely agree that President Hilary Clinton is also in big trouble... WHOO-OOPS!!! Ha! Ha! Hilary Clinton is not actually President. I guess we should stop whining about other people, after all.
Also, to impeach, it will take a majority in the house and then over 60 in the senate to convict. Amazingly unlikely with this economy that they can win enough seats. All this is doing is hurting their cause and deflecting from real issues.In fact precisely 67 Senators are required to convict, but as always you are missing the point. What if the Republicans foresee a bloodletting in the midterms, as is usually the case for the party controlling the Presidency? What if they further realize that a billionaire New York banker is not much of a Republican anyway, and shed themselves of him and his Vice so as to secure the Presidency for at least another two years? You don't think Paul Ryan or worst case Michael Pence would be far more suited to the goals of the Republican establishment? Keep dreaming.

Gelston

01-28-2018, 09:06 PM

In fact precisely 67 Senators are required to convict, but as always you are missing the point.

It is actually 2/3rd of the members present. It can be less than 67.

Latrinsorm

01-28-2018, 09:51 PM

It is actually 2/3rd of the members present. It can be less than 67.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Need_to_know

~Rocktar~

01-29-2018, 01:19 AM

We can all agree that President Obama is in serious trouble... whoops!!! Obama is no longer President, and is Constitutionally ineligible to run for President again. Ha! Ha! I guess we should stop whining about other people, after all.

So glad you support the double standard for lying in politics. We knew you did, at least this way you come clean about it.

We can definitely agree that President Hilary Clinton is also in big trouble... WHOO-OOPS!!! Ha! Ha! Hilary Clinton is not actually President. I guess we should stop whining about other people, after all.

Also glad that you are soft on crime when it comes to your preferred candidate.

In fact precisely 67 Senators are required to convict, but as always you are missing the point. What if the Republicans foresee a bloodletting in the midterms, as is usually the case for the party controlling the Presidency? What if they further realize that a billionaire New York banker is not much of a Republican anyway, and shed themselves of him and his Vice so as to secure the Presidency for at least another two years? You don't think Paul Ryan or worst case Michael Pence would be far more suited to the goals of the Republican establishment? Keep dreaming.

Actually, he has been pretty good as a President and the sooner that a lot of RINOs like you figure that out, the more secure their seats and this country would be. And while Pence and certainly Ryan would be more in line with what the establishment might like, they would be much less effective in promoting a Conservative policy.

In the end, always good to hear a 100% nonsensical spewing of emotions and blather serving no purpose. Keep up the good work. One question though, are you able to maintain a straight face when you tell people you are Conservative and Republican in person? If so, how? And if they believe you, I want to know where you live because that is a warped reality I need to stay away from.

Androidpk

01-29-2018, 01:26 AM

So glad you support the double standard for lying in politics. We knew you did, at least this way you come clean about it.

You're okay with Trump lying.

Neveragain

01-29-2018, 03:38 AM

We can all agree that President Obama is in serious trouble... whoops!!! Obama is no longer President, and is Constitutionally ineligible to run for President again. Ha! Ha! I guess we should stop whining about other people, after all.We can definitely agree that President Hilary Clinton is also in big trouble... WHOO-OOPS!!! Ha! Ha! Hilary Clinton is not actually President. I guess we should stop whining about other people, after all.In fact precisely 67 Senators are required to convict, but as always you are missing the point. What if the Republicans foresee a bloodletting in the midterms, as is usually the case for the party controlling the Presidency? What if they further realize that a billionaire New York banker is not much of a Republican anyway, and shed themselves of him and his Vice so as to secure the Presidency for at least another two years? You don't think Paul Ryan or worst case Michael Pence would be far more suited to the goals of the Republican establishment? Keep dreaming.

If it were so easy Faramir would have just took the ring.

https://i.imgur.com/QtboUjG.gif

Impeachment is NOT going to happen. Please get over it.

Neveragain

01-29-2018, 09:14 AM

Oh he'll get impeached after the mid-terms; he just won't get convicted by the Senate.

2 fucking 3rds I mean who wrote that shit?!

https://media2.giphy.com/media/aZ3LDBs1ExsE8/giphy.gif

Democrats couldn't get the vote out for a presidential election, I foresee very little change from the midterms. I'll actually go out on a limb and say that the Democrats will see loses in the Northwest.

There will be no impeachment.

Methais

01-29-2018, 09:16 AM

Anything that the House wants to bring charges for can be grounds for impeachment, it should indeed be a crime, however if lying to the public is a crime, then Obama needs to be hauled off because "If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor"

Clinton was prosecuted for perjury under oath to a grand jury. Not lying to the people. Starr wants to get paid for his appearance.

Hillary also lied under oath to Congress. So, the Dems need to think seriously about wanting to haul up Trump on this bullshit. Also, to impeach, it will take a majority in the house and then over 60 in the senate to convict. Amazingly unlikely with this economy that they can win enough seats. All this is doing is hurting their cause and deflecting from real issues. Also, if they gained a warrant by false means, it kind of invalidates any other evidence Mueller gets on anyone.

It's a shit show and nothing the Dems can do will change it, Mueller is damaged, the investigation is a joke and the FBI looks like many members drank the cool aid to cover for Hillary. Their reputation is shot to hell with this.

Reported for spelling Kool Aid with a C.

Methais

01-29-2018, 09:38 AM

Hilary Clinton is not actually President. I guess we should stop whining

Yes I agree and I'm glad that you finally said something useful. It may have taken you 33,567 tries, but you did it buddy!

https://media.giphy.com/media/3otPoS81loriI9sO8o/giphy.gif

ClydeR

01-29-2018, 09:43 AM

Actually, he has been pretty good as a President and the sooner that a lot of RINOs like you figure that out, the more secure their seats and this country would be. And while Pence and certainly Ryan would be more in line with what the establishment might like, they would be much less effective in promoting a Conservative policy.

The best political outcome for Democrats would be if Mueller uncovers and publishes evidence of unethical and low-level criminal behavior by Trump, and Congress then votes not to impeach. Impeaching would be satisfying but politically dumb in the absence of proof of criminal behavior that is so serious that impeachment is a broadly bipartisan effort. The public will disapprove of any impeachment proceeding that appears to be politically based. Nixon's impeachment, a bipartisan effort based on serious criminal behavior, was not popular with the public at the time.

Should Democrats prefer President Pence or a weakened President Trump?

~Rocktar~

01-29-2018, 10:20 AM

Reported for spelling Kool Aid with a C.

Well fuck, you are right, it was late, blame it on the scotch. Sorry.

Methais

01-29-2018, 10:38 AM

Well fuck, you are right, it was late, blame it on the scotch. Sorry.

Reported for spelling skotch with a C.

ClydeR

01-29-2018, 07:17 PM

WASHINGTON — Republicans on the House Intelligence Committee, disregarding Justice Department warnings that their actions would be “extraordinarily reckless,” voted Monday evening to release a contentious secret memorandum said to accuse the department and the F.B.I. of misusing their authority to obtain a secret surveillance order on a former Trump campaign associate.

More... (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/29/us/politics/release-the-memo-vote-house-intelligence-republicans.html)

The Department of Justice (DOJ) on Wednesday warned lawmakers not to publicly release a memo purporting to detail surveillance abuses by the U.S. government for fear it will harm national security and ongoing investigations.

Assistant Attorney General Stephen Boyd, in a letter to the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, Rep. Devin Nunes (R-Calif.), said the Republican push to release a memo they say reveals political bias at the FBI and DOJ would be "extraordinarily reckless" without a review by those agencies.

More... (http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/370614-doj-official-tells-nunes-itd-be-reckless-to-release-memo-without)

President Trump blew up in anger after learning that a top Department of Justice (DOJ) official had warned against releasing a classified memo by Republican staffers that allegedly proves an anti-Trump bias in the DOJ and FBI, Bloomberg reported Monday.

Trump was furious when he learned that Associate Attorney General Stephen Boyd had said it would be “extraordinarily reckless” to release the classified memo.

More... (http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/371267-trump-furious-over-doj-guidance-against-releasing-classified-nunes)

Other sources told Bloomberg that Trump had also personally reprimanded Attorney General Jeff Sessions and other DOJ officials earlier in the week, telling them they needed to improve in their jobs or be remembered as the worst in history.

Democrats will regret standing with law enforcement against President Trump. That's not going to win them any votes.

Androidpk

01-29-2018, 07:23 PM

Meanwhile it looks like the Trump administration is refusing to carry out the sanctions on Russia passed by Congress last year, saying they're not needed.. -_-

Neveragain

01-29-2018, 07:59 PM

Meanwhile it looks like the Trump administration is refusing to carry out the sanctions on Russia passed by Congress last year, saying they're not needed.. -_-

Considering sanctions are an act of war and it's in the worlds best interest that the two countries with the largest nuclear arsenals get along, I'm not seeing a problem here. When was the last time Europe paid their fucking bill?

I have tyrants in my own back yard to worry about, what Putin is doing on the other side of town is of little interest to me.

Parkbandit

01-29-2018, 08:01 PM

Meanwhile it looks like the Trump administration is refusing to carry out the sanctions on Russia passed by Congress last year, saying they're not needed.. -_-

Well that confirms it! TRUMP IS GUILTY!

Androidpk

01-29-2018, 08:03 PM

Considering sanctions are an act of war and it's in the worlds best interest that the two countries with the largest nuclear arsenals get along, I'm not seeing a problem here. When was the last time Europe payed their fucking bill?

I have tyrants in my own back yard to worry about, what Putin is doing on the other side of town is of little interest to me.

Says the Putin apologist.

Gelston

01-29-2018, 08:14 PM

Neveragain

01-29-2018, 08:17 PM

Says the Putin apologist.

What am I apologizing for? Europe not paying for their own defense while they give themselves "free healthcare".

You will have to forgive me if I tire of American blood and treasure being pissed away on one European fuck up after another. Let them be Trotskys, it's what most of them want anyway.

Androidpk

01-29-2018, 08:19 PM

And Trump isn't not enforcing the sanctions, he is just dragging ass on it and not doing all of the recommendations.

You might want to catch up on today's news.

Gelston

01-29-2018, 08:19 PM

You might want to catch up on today's news.

I have read todays news. It says he is still enforcing them.

Androidpk

01-29-2018, 08:20 PM

What am I apologizing for? Europe not paying for their own defense while they give themselves "free healthcare".

You will have to forgive me if I tire of American blood and treasure being pissed away on one European fuck up after another. Let them be Trotskys, it's what most of them want anyway.

You are one ignorant fuck.

Taernath

01-29-2018, 08:22 PM

You might want to catch up on today's news.

Link?

Neveragain

01-29-2018, 08:25 PM

Sanctions are not an act of war. If we physically blockaded them, that is, but refusing to do business with them isn't.

And Trump isn't not enforcing the sanctions, he is just dragging ass on it and not doing all of the recommendations.

Sanctions are an act of war. Do we threaten other nations that would continue to do business with Russia?

Gelston

01-29-2018, 08:25 PM

Neveragain

01-29-2018, 08:40 PM

I'd like a link too. Nothing I've read, even stories from 3 hours ago, points to him not enforcing sanctions, just that he is dragging ass at doing it. Falling behind on deadlines and such, as he did last October.

BTW, Neveragain, if Sanctions are an act of War, we've been at war with Russia since 2004, they have economic sanctions on us and the EU. So, maybe in YOUR HEAD they are an act of war, but to the diplomats and other countries of the world, except North Korea, they are not. Threats are also not an act of war. Acting upon threats with force (not sanctions) is.

Honestly we have been at war with Russia since the end of WW2. If this were not the case, both countries wouldn't be able to blow the world up. We probably would not be in Afghanistan, 9/11 probably would have never happened, the Korean war................of course most of this would have never happened if the US never allowed itself to get suckered into going to war for European imperial lands.

We will have to agree to disagree on what an act of war is.

Gelston

01-29-2018, 08:59 PM

We are talking about actual war. Sanctions are not an act of war. Period.

Androidpk

01-29-2018, 09:03 PM

The Trump administration, under fire from lawmakers for not punishing Moscow over election meddling, said Monday it will not implement Russia-related sanctions mandated by Congress last year because the threat itself is acting as a “deterrent.”

The decision was made public after nightfall on deadline day for implementing sanctions against those who do business with Russian defense and intelligence firms, as required under a 2017 law.

Since the law took effect six months ago, said State Department spokeswoman Heather Nauert, “We estimate that foreign governments have abandoned planned or announced purchases of several billion dollars in Russian defense acquisitions.”

The decision was less concrete than some lawmakers envisioned when the Countering America’s Adversaries Through Sanctions Act passed last summer. Though also mentioning Iran and North Korea, the law was billed as a U.S. response to Moscow’s interference in the 2016 presidential election.

A list of potential targets was drawn up last month in anticipation of Monday’s deadline for implementing secondary sanctions. Instead, a State Department official said there is no need for them to be put into place now “because the legislation is, in fact, serving as a deterrent.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/rich-russians-still-waiting-to-exhale/2018/01/29/7df459ca-052a-11e8-8777-2a059f168dd2_story.html?utm_term=.14fa503b0e94

Androidpk

01-29-2018, 09:03 PM

We are talking about actual war. Sanctions are not an act of war. Period.

don't even bother, he's a bigger troll than mcgyver

Neveragain

01-29-2018, 09:13 PM

We are talking about actual war. Sanctions are not an act of war. Period.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFLJ1pFnESw

Like I said, we will have to disagree.

~Rocktar~

01-29-2018, 09:21 PM

Only yuppies drink scotch.

Fuck you. Yuppies drink micro brew, non GMO, flavored, craft beers, Hennessy or Patron around here because some pop music twat said it was cool. If they have bling, they waste money on Gray Goose.

https://youtu.be/LS-ErOKpO4E

~Rocktar~

01-29-2018, 09:26 PM

Oh, and about the sanctions, try and buy a new import Saiga or Vepr.

Gelston

01-29-2018, 09:26 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFLJ1pFnESw

Like I said, we will have to disagree.

Okay, so Ron Paul and North Korea considers it an act of war.

I think it is hilarious that you people think refusing to do business with a country is an act of war. Do consider it a war on WalMart when people refuse to shop there?

Neveragain

01-29-2018, 09:28 PM

Fuck you. Yuppies drink micro brew, non GMO, flavored, craft beers, Hennessy or Patron around here because some pop music twat said it was cool. If they have bling, they waste money on Gray Goose.

https://youtu.be/LS-ErOKpO4E

Scotch tastes like an Irishmans ass after a long night of drinking Guinness.

Gelston

01-29-2018, 09:30 PM

Scotch tastes like an Irishmans ass after a long night of drinking Guinness.

You have experience with that huh?

Neveragain

01-29-2018, 09:33 PM

Okay, so Ron Paul and North Korea considers it an act of war.

I think it is hilarious that you people think refusing to do business with a country is an act of war. Do consider it a war on WalMart when people refuse to shop there?

I'm not going to threaten your sovereignty because I don't want you doing business with WalMart. I would completely expect you to punch me in the face if I knocked the groceries out of your hands that you just purchased at WalMart.

Gelston

01-29-2018, 10:51 PM

I'm not going to threaten your sovereignty because I don't want you doing business with WalMart. I would completely expect you to punch me in the face if I knocked the groceries out of your hands that you just purchased at WalMart.

How is an economic sanction threatening anyone's sovereignty? Where have we threatened to invade a country for doing business with Russia? Again, you are confusing economic sanctions with a blockade. A blockade IS an act of war. That is when we are physically preventing other nations from trading with Russia. We aren't parking fleets around Russia's shores saying no one can enter. Our economic sanctions are US not trading with Russia. We aren't preventing anyone else from doing shit.

~Rocktar~

01-29-2018, 11:07 PM

If the Congress wanted to really hurt Russia, all they would have to do is allow the export of Natural Gas to Europe in substantial quantities. Russia'a economy would be in shambles in a year or so.

Neveragain

01-29-2018, 11:15 PM

How is an economic sanction threatening anyone's sovereignty? Where have we threatened to invade a country for doing business with Russia? Again, you are confusing economic sanctions with a blockade. A blockade IS an act of war. That is when we are physically preventing other nations from trading with Russia. We aren't parking fleets around Russia's shores saying no one can enter. Our economic sanctions are US not trading with Russia. We aren't preventing anyone else from doing shit.

Economic sanctions are solely designed to cause uprising from within the state being sanctioned by creating shortages among the lower class. You don't need fleets around Russian shores when all you need to do is freeze their bank accounts, I think you're a bit naive as to how this works in the digital age.

BigWorm

01-29-2018, 11:21 PM

These guys are more rabid Putin cocksockers than the bots.

Neveragain

01-29-2018, 11:33 PM

These guys are more rabid Putin cocksockers than the bots.

I really don't care about Putin considering we just got rid of an administration that held a gun to our head and forced us to purchase "insurance". We used to call that the mafia. :shrug:

Gelston

01-30-2018, 12:20 AM

Economic sanctions are solely designed to cause uprising from within the state being sanctioned by creating shortages among the lower class. You don't need fleets around Russian shores when all you need to do is freeze their bank accounts, I think you're a bit naive as to how this works in the digital age.

You're naive to think that economic sanctions from the US do a damn thing to Russia.

Infact, economic sanctions are referred to as a PENALTY. You make the US angry, we penalize you by not doing business with you.

Neveragain

01-30-2018, 07:29 AM

You're naive to think that economic sanctions from the US do a damn thing to Russia.

So it's a complete waste of taxpayer time and money?

Infact, economic sanctions are referred to as a PENALTY. You make the US angry, we penalize you by not doing business with you.

Is that kind of like, the US can interfere with other countries elections but a few Russian videos and we strip the will of 60+ million American voters? (For future reference .03 * 60,000,000 = 1.8 million)

At least be honest when you say America won't do business with you, you actually mean, you won't be buying or selling oil. Of course there was the fantastic idea of the grain embargo that nearly wiped out the American farmer because Russia invaded Afghanistan, yes the same Afghanistan we are occupying at this very moment.

But you're right, they're not an act of war.

Androidpk

01-30-2018, 01:50 PM

but a few Russian videos

what?

Neveragain

01-30-2018, 07:51 PM

what?

It was a Benghazi joke. Need me to explain it or have you been getting into the indicas again?

Androidpk

01-30-2018, 08:16 PM

I get it now and no, no indicas for me.

Androidpk

01-31-2018, 05:56 PM

Turns out the GOP talking point of FBI bias against Trump doesn't hold any water. They've been accusing FBI agent Strzok of helping Hillary during the 2016 investigation but it's been revealed that he co-wrote the memo supporting the re-opening of the case after emails were found on Anthony Weiner's laptop. Comey went public with this information after receiving the memo. :lol2:

Androidpk

02-01-2018, 10:21 PM

Judge Andrew Napolitano said Special Counsel Robert Mueller's Russia investigation has reached a "new tenor," which is not good news for President Donald Trump.

On "The Daily Briefing" on Thursday, Napolitano pointed to a New York Times report that Mueller is zeroing in on a June 2016 meeting between Trump campaign officials and a Russian lawyer at Trump Tower.

He explained that Mark Corallo, a former spokesman for Trump's legal team, is expected to interview with Mueller's team. Corallo reportedly will tell investigators that White House communications director Hope Hicks wanted to prevent the release of emails in which Donald Trump Jr. set up the Trump Tower meeting to get dirt on Hillary Clinton.

"If he says that credibly, he's going to paint out a case for a conspiracy to obstruct justice, a conspiracy to hide documents, knowing that the special counsel would be looking for them because they are relevant to the core of what he's looking at: any relationship between the Trump campaign and the Russian government," Napolitano said.

The report alleges Hicks said on a conference call last summer that the emails about the meeting "will never get out," prompting concern from Corallo that she could potentially seek to obstruct justice. A lawyer for Hicks has denied the account.

Androidpk

02-01-2018, 10:22 PM

Hope Hicks was interviewed by the special counsel in late December over a period of 2 days. Wouldn't be surprised if one of the sealed indictments has her name on it.

Androidpk

02-06-2018, 12:19 AM

WASHINGTON — Lawyers for President Trump have advised him against sitting down for a wide-ranging interview with the special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, according to four people briefed on the matter, raising the specter of a monthslong court battle over whether the president must answer questions under oath.

His lawyers are concerned that the president, who has a history of making false statements and contradicting himself, could be charged with lying to investigators. Their stance puts them at odds with Mr. Trump, who has said publicly and privately that he is eager to speak with Mr. Mueller as part of the investigation into possible ties between his associates and Russia’s election interference, and whether he obstructed justice.

Mr. Trump’s decision about whether to speak to prosecutors, expected in the coming weeks, will shape one of the most consequential moments of the investigation. Refusing to sit for an interview opens the possibility that Mr. Mueller will subpoena the president to testify before a grand jury, setting up a court fight that would drastically escalate the investigation and could be decided by the Supreme Court.

Androidpk

02-15-2018, 04:42 PM

Former White House chief strategist Stephen Bannon reportedly met with special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigators multiple times over the past week.

Two sources told NBC News that Bannon was interview by Mueller’s team for nearly 20 hours spread over multiple days.

Androidpk

02-15-2018, 08:26 PM

Washington (CNN) Former Trump campaign adviser Rick Gates is finalizing a plea deal with special counsel Robert Mueller's office, indicating he's poised to cooperate in the investigation, according to sources familiar with the case.

Gates has already spoken to Mueller's team about his case and has been in plea negotiations for about a month. He's had what criminal lawyers call a "Queen for a Day" interview, in which a defendant answers any questions from the prosecutors' team, including about his own case and other potential criminal activity he witnessed.
Gates' cooperation could be another building block for Mueller in a possible case against President Donald Trump or key members of his team.

Once a plea deal is in place, Gates would become the third known cooperator in Mueller's sprawling probe into Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election. It would also increase the pressure to cooperate on Gates' co-defendant Paul Manafort, Trump's former campaign chairman, who has pleaded not guilty to Mueller's indictment and is preparing for a trial on alleged financial crimes unrelated to the campaign. Gates pleaded not guilty on October 30 alongside Manafort.

cwolff

02-15-2018, 08:32 PM

Trump fucks up everything he touches. Now our IC is going to have to make some serious changes to keep their work from getting punted about like a political football, just because Nunes and trump wanted to spin some B.S. memo on Fox.

Mehta said the government would normally be entitled to deference in asserting the need to keep its investigative work under wraps, but perhaps no longer with respect to the dossier.
“This isn’t the ordinary case,” Mehta told a Justice Department lawyer, Anjali Motgi. “I don’t know of any time the president has declassified the fact of a counterintelligence investigation. That’s going to be a hard sell given what the president has done. … This is a new frontier and it has an impact.”

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/02/15/trump-gop-memo-fbi-investigations-disclosures-415596

Neveragain

02-15-2018, 09:19 PM

I have some advice for Trump on the Mueller investigation. The main thing you should do is stop acting guilty. Just be President and stop obsessing over the investigation.

It appears that Trump will not follow that advice. All signs point to a coming storm.

The spokesperson for Trump's legal team abruptly resigned yesterday.

Trump Jr. and Manafort are scheduled to testify publicly before a Senate investigative committee next week. Senator Grassley is concerned that they may not show up. If they're smart, they won't show up. Testifying would be Crazy with a capital C.

Trump's team is preparing to discredit Mueller. Trump cannot fire Mueller directly. He would have to fire Sessions and get Sessions' successor to remove Mueller. As we all know from the NYT interview, Trump has laid the groundwork for removing Sessions.

~ 07-21-2017

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2p55BmwmJM

Any bets that Starman will reach Mars before or if there is an impeachment?

cwolff

02-15-2018, 09:22 PM

I believe he's going to miss Mars by many miles and fly off into a horrific disintegration without making that orbit. But who knows; maybe he'll show up in the last scene of some future Planet of the Apes remake.

"The Humanity! You did it, you really did it! You trashed this find automobile!!!"

Neveragain

02-15-2018, 09:53 PM

Either way it will be really cool to check in on the feed over the coming months, watching Mars come into view as it gets closer and closer should prove to be pretty spectacular. I think the car idea was yuge and will gain spacex shit tons of investments.

https://media1.britannica.com/eb-media/70/166770-004-935741FC.jpg

Back

02-16-2018, 01:20 PM

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/russian-indicted-us-election_us_5a871b70e4b05c2bcaca8989

13 Russian Nationals Indicted For Interfering With U.S. Elections

The special counsel also indicted three Russian entities on Friday.

Thirteen Russian nationals and three Russian entities were indicted on Friday, “accused of violating U.S. criminal laws in order to interfere with U.S. elections and political processes,” according to the special counsel’s office.

Actual indictment here (https://t.co/g0NBYSG7ah).

ClydeR

02-16-2018, 01:22 PM

Mueller just indicted a bunch of people whose names are unpronounceable.

Special Counsel Robert Mueller's office said Friday that a grand jury indicted 13 Russian nationals and three Russian entities for alleged interference in the 2016 presidential elections, during which they boosted the candidacy of Donald Trump.

The indictment says that the defendants by early to mid-2016 were "supporting the presidential campaign of then-candidate Donald J. Trump ... and disparaging Hillary Clinton."

More... (https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/16/russians-indicted-in-special-counsel-robert-muellers-probe.html)

Parkbandit

02-16-2018, 01:58 PM

So... STILL no collusion....

Shocked I am.

Utterly SHOCKED!

Methais

02-16-2018, 02:03 PM

Mueller just indicted a bunch of people whose names are unpronounceable.

Know what name is easy to pronounce though?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d7/Trump_Text_Logo.png

Androidpk

02-16-2018, 02:37 PM

Androidpk

02-16-2018, 03:39 PM

-Beyond the 13 people indicted, Mueller announced the Feb. 12 guilty plea of a California man for identity theft, Richard Pinedo, who is cooperating with prosecutors. The indictment of Russian individuals and companies also suggests a broader conspiracy than Mueller charged, saying grand jurors heard about others involved in the scheme.

Androidpk

02-16-2018, 06:34 PM

Not even a year in and they've got 18 people so far either indicted or plead guilty and cooperating. Yeah, they totally have squat. What are you going to say when they round up Kushner and Don Jr?

cwolff

02-16-2018, 06:45 PM

They've tried to destroy the FBI over this. Nunes memo, trump tweets, surrogates on TV railing against Mueller and the FBI. These folks need to atone.

Neveragain

02-16-2018, 07:41 PM

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/russian-indicted-us-election_us_5a871b70e4b05c2bcaca8989

13 Russian Nationals Indicted For Interfering With U.S. Elections

The special counsel also indicted three Russian entities on Friday.

Actual indictment here (https://t.co/g0NBYSG7ah).

Sounds like they were using software that controls multiple sock puppets to troll comment sections. This still does not change the fact that Hillary Clinton is a terrible human being who corrupted the DNC thus cheating the Democrats out of their best candidate.

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Rheisia

02-16-2018, 07:50 PM

I hate to agree with ParkFucktard and MethHead... but it's looking like he's got squat and just 'making the rounds' catching some minnows here and there so he doesn't look quite as bad when he finally reveals the results. Sorry but it's true.

The fancy indictments are never the first indictments.

These particular indictments have a specific purpose- it's a statement to the American people that the Russian interference was and is real. A way to counter the dangerous attacks the Right is making on the investigation.

And to Android's point- they basically already have Kushner. The sheer number of incidents that just the public is aware of- plus the fact that the IRS has started sending out subpoenas to people with financial entanglements tells you everything you need to know. And Don Jr has a good chance of a conspiracy charge or two if Mueller's team really hits this hard.

Androidpk

02-16-2018, 07:53 PM

These particular indictments have a specific purpose- it's a statement to the American people that the Russian interference was and is real. A way to counter the dangerous attacks the Right is making on the investigation.

Not only that but it just made it practically impossible for Trump to fire Rosenstein.

Rheisia

02-16-2018, 07:56 PM

Not only that but it just made it practically impossible for Trump to fire Rosenstein.

Exactly. At this point, any move against Rosenstein or Mueller becomes a move against America's safety. And it would instantly make Trump even more vulnerable to accusations of collusion.

~Rocktar~

02-16-2018, 08:05 PM

They've tried to destroy the FBI imploded from the inside trying to suck Obama's dick over this.

ftfy

The FBI has made it's own bed in this mess. In case you don't understand how, here it is simplified:

1. Political party pays for opposition research. Company that does research pays foreign shitbag ex-spy. Shitbag makes a bunch of shit up and calls it research, gets paid and smartly bows out. Political party goes ape shit over made up crap, then decides to pass it all around. RINO tool McCaine gets takes made up shit and gives it to the FBI though they likely already had it. News media publishes "bombshell" stores and people go crazy over made up shit. Then the FBI leaders with some pretty clear political bias and likely knowledge of the POTUS at the time, knowing this is made up shit and unsubstantiated use the made up shit AND the news stories of made up shit go to the FISA court. The FBI leaders don't disclose their own political bias when they sign off on the made up shit seeking a warrant to spy on a US citizen under false pretense. (side note, we know the CIA and NSA do this shit, the FBI likely does this shit, but this was all done "above board" to try and prosecute people and derail a political campaign to get their political hero into office. They then wire tap citizen, when called out about the wire tap, deny it and then later call a special prosecutor to investigate the winner of the election since their hero was defeated.

2. The FBI was "investigating" the political hero they wall wanted to win the election for clearly criminal acts involving mishandling of classified information. "Leadership" in the FBI likely at the behest of the POTUS at the time, worked to suppress the investigation, still won't release info from requests for information and then flatly covered for their political hero by dismissing the allegations because there was no so called "intent" despite many people who self reported their mishandling of far less classified information going to prison regardless of intent.

3. The FBI has multiple forensic experts and possibly decades of testimony by those experts discredited because they admitted to falsifying reports, lab results and so on. This may result in hundreds if not thousands of cases needing to be retried or dismissed completely due to falsification.

4. The FBI was given tip information about a confessed mass murderer from 2 independent and verifiable sources about the mass murderers intentions, plans, supplies and statements well before the mass murderer had taken action and then and did nothing to prevent the mass murder.

5. The FBI was given information on multiple other mass murderers and terrorists and still did nothing to stop them all the way back to 9/11.

6. The FBI continues to deny connections to Islam in many crimes, plots and attacks despite clear and public evidence to the contrary.

So, pretty sure the FBI has made it's own bed in how shitty, blatantly political and ineffective it has become. I am 100% sure that a lot of FBI agents are indeed some of the finest people, investigators and patriots this country can muster. Unfortunately the good agents in the FBI are sullied by some of the more destructive and subversive shitbags out there. I also believe that there is a lot of bad "leadership" in the FBI and they need to clean house and spend a lot of time rebuilding their reputation.

Please note, these are the ACTIONS or INACTION of the FBI, not of Nunes, Trump, Fox News or anyone else.

~Rocktar~

02-16-2018, 08:07 PM

Androidpk

02-16-2018, 08:07 PM

Rocktar foaming at the mouth over here.

~Rocktar~

02-16-2018, 08:08 PM

Rocktar foaming at the mouth over here.

Keep padding that post count.

Androidpk

02-16-2018, 08:14 PM

Keeping on buying into that Russian propaganda as you help sell out your own country :)

cwolff

02-16-2018, 08:44 PM

The fancy indictments are never the first indictments.

These particular indictments have a specific purpose- it's a statement to the American people that the Russian interference was and is real. A way to counter the dangerous attacks the Right is making on the investigation.

And to Android's point- they basically already have Kushner. The sheer number of incidents that just the public is aware of- plus the fact that the IRS has started sending out subpoenas to people with financial entanglements tells you everything you need to know. And Don Jr has a good chance of a conspiracy charge or two if Mueller's team really hits this hard.

Speaking of Don Jr. I think now it's appropriate for the trolls to apologize about the way the strongly defended the meeting in trump tower. If you recall, one of their main arguments was that the woman was just a lawyer and in no way could it be comprehended that she was an agent of the Russian government. We've known that's false but now we have another nation making it plain.

Of course they won't apologize. They'll simply spin spin spin.

Neveragain

02-16-2018, 08:57 PM

Keeping on buying into that Russian propaganda as you help sell out your own country :)

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cwolff

02-17-2018, 08:04 AM

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/trump-national-security-adviser-says-fbi-indictments-show-russian-meddling-in-us-election-is-beyond-dispute/2018/02/17/69b8269e-13df-11e8-a68c-e9374188170e_story.html?utm_term=.ba30f3392fe2

BREAKING: Trump national security adviser says FBI indictments show Russian meddling in US election is beyond dispute.

There, finally. Now can trump and his supporters finally apologize for slow rolling this thing for the past 18 months and agree to do sanctions, leave Mueller's investigation in peace and quit fucking with the FBI or releasing bogus memos?

Neveragain

02-17-2018, 08:12 AM

cwolff

02-17-2018, 08:19 AM

I don't think Russian meddling has ever really been in question. It's like all of a sudden we noticed Russia has tried messing with our elections over the past 70 years.

Nothing burger.

No it is no small thing. Trump has repeatedly denied that they meddled at all. He says he asked putin and putin said no. "how many times can I ask" he said. No no no dude. You're being revisionist. The whole world has known, but trump, backed up by his supporters, Fox News (except for Shep Smith) and the other propaganda outlets have been calling it a hoax. You people need to recognize. Just stop, take a deep breath and admit you've been on the wrong side of this thing to protect one man when you should have worried about protecting the country.