Russia Investigation Heating Up

[cwolff]

Trolls gonna troll

[Androidpk]

No collusion, no collusion!

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/03/a-series-of-revelations-about-jared-kushner-have-added-further-credence-to-a-key-claim-of-the-steele-dossier.html

[Neveragain]

slate.com

I didn't even click the link.

https://media.tenor.com/images/9460f571d97e4c49bf458a79cb230262/tenor.gif

[Wrathbringer]

No collusion, no collusion!

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/03/a-series-of-revelations-about-jared-kushner-have-added-further-credence-to-a-key-claim-of-the-steele-dossier.html

THIS IS REALLY IT THIS TIME GUYS!!!!!1!!! IT'S GOING TO START HEATING UP NOW!!!!!

[Neveragain]

It's like Mother Jones after snorting a line of ketamine is a reputable source on Russia/Trump collusion. What's next TyT?

[Rheisia]

It's been heating up for quite a while now. A few of you just seem to be very committed to pretending otherwise- though I'm really not sure why because you so rarely bother with an actual argument.

[Neveragain]

It's been heating up for quite a while now. A few of you just seem to be very committed to pretending otherwise- though I'm really not sure why because you so rarely bother with an actual argument.

You can't argue against something that the prosecutor has yet to provide any evidence for.

This liberal trick is old as dirt, try again.

Oddly enough, the whole time the left has been pointing fingers at Trump while their savior has been facing/fined for collusion with a foreign government and nobody has said a damn thing until he was fined.

http://www.slate.com/content/dam/slate/uploads/2016/03/26/517617356-bird-lands-on-democratic-presidential-candidate-bernie.jpg.CROP.promo-xlarge2.jpg

https://mk.christogenea.org/sites/default/files/node_gallery/Hitler%20%26%20Bird%20on%20shoulder_0_0.jpg

[Rheisia]

You can't argue against something that the prosecutor has yet to provide any evidence for.

This liberal trick is old as dirt, try again.

Oddly enough, the whole time the left has been pointing fingers at Trump while their savior has been facing/fined for collusion with a foreign government and nobody has said a damn thing until he was fined.


I'm not sure I understand your point here. You're seem to be implying there's no evidence of collusion, but that's a lie. There's actually a ton of evidence of collusion at this point. There's a difference between not having proved something and not having any evidence of it.

And just because Russia supported Sanders doesn't mean Sanders colluded with them. Last I checked, Sanders hasn't been telling everyone how great Putin was, trying to convince everyone that Russia didn't meddle in our elections, didn't hire a bunch of people who were suspected of being Russian operatives (including one who made a name for himself by helping Putin install a leader in another country), and there are no emails where members of his campaign was happily meeting with Russians promising dirt on Clinton.

So it's not really a fair comparison.

[Neveragain]

I'm not sure I understand your point here. You're seem to be implying there's no evidence of collusion, but that's a lie. There's actually a ton of evidence of collusion at this point. There's a difference between not having proved something and not having any evidence of it.

And just because Russia supported Sanders doesn't mean Sanders colluded with them. Last I checked, Sanders hasn't been telling everyone how great Putin was, trying to convince everyone that Russia didn't meddle in our elections, didn't hire a bunch of people who were suspected of being Russian operatives (including one who made a name for himself by helping Putin install a leader in another country), and there are no emails where members of his campaign was happily meeting with Russians promising dirt on Clinton.

So it's not really a fair comparison.

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/PoshScornfulGroundbeetle-size_restricted.gif

P.S. So Trump, who has not even had charges brought against him for collusion, is more guilty than the guy who just paid a fine for colluding because Trump respects Putin? Do I have this right?

Accusations are not evidence, sugar britches.

[Methais]

It's been heating up for quite a while now. A few of you just seem to be very committed to pretending otherwise- though I'm really not sure why because you so rarely bother with an actual argument.

Because the ones arguing nonstop from the left on here are really too retarded to take seriously, yet still unintentionally entertaining.

time4pk going off the other day about Neveragain posting an infowars link the other day and then he follows up with a slate.com link which is just as much fringe garbage as infowars and expecting to be taken seriously is one of 80732402730 examples.

EDIT: Rocktar, not Neveragain

[Neveragain]

Because the ones arguing nonstop from the left on here are really too retarded to take seriously, yet still unintentionally entertaining.

time4pk going off the other day about Neveragain posting an infowars link the other day and then he follows up with a slate.com link which is just as much fringe garbage as infowars and expecting to be taken seriously is one of 80732402730 examples.

I posted an infowars link?

Or was it I said something about how FOX, CNN and Infowars are the same thing just that one is more entertaining than the others?

Help me I'm confused.

[Methais]

I posted an infowars link?

Or was it I said something about how FOX, CNN and Infowars are the same thing just that one is more entertaining than the others?

Help me I'm confused.

I think it was Rocktar now that you mention it.

[cwolff]

I'm not sure I understand your point here. You're seem to be implying there's no evidence of collusion, but that's a lie. There's actually a ton of evidence of collusion at this point. There's a difference between not having proved something and not having any evidence of it.

And just because Russia supported Sanders doesn't mean Sanders colluded with them. Last I checked, Sanders hasn't been telling everyone how great Putin was, trying to convince everyone that Russia didn't meddle in our elections, didn't hire a bunch of people who were suspected of being Russian operatives (including one who made a name for himself by helping Putin install a leader in another country), and there are no emails where members of his campaign was happily meeting with Russians promising dirt on Clinton.

So it's not really a fair comparison.


https://thumbs.gfycat.com/PoshScornfulGroundbeetle-size_restricted.gif

P.S. So Trump, who has not even had charges brought against him for collusion, is more guilty than the guy who just paid a fine for colluding because Trump respects Putin? Do I have this right?

Accusations are not evidence, sugar britches.

Wasn't it Australia? 7 college students here to learn about US politics volunteered for Bernie. That's the collusion you're taking about?

[cwolff]

I'm not sure I understand your point here. You're seem to be implying there's no evidence of collusion, but that's a lie. There's actually a ton of evidence of collusion at this point. There's a difference between not having proved something and not having any evidence of it.

And just because Russia supported Sanders doesn't mean Sanders colluded with them. Last I checked, Sanders hasn't been telling everyone how great Putin was, trying to convince everyone that Russia didn't meddle in our elections, didn't hire a bunch of people who were suspected of being Russian operatives (including one who made a name for himself by helping Putin install a leader in another country), and there are no emails where members of his campaign was happily meeting with Russians promising dirt on Clinton.

So it's not really a fair comparison.


https://thumbs.gfycat.com/PoshScornfulGroundbeetle-size_restricted.gif

P.S. So Trump, who has not even had charges brought against him for collusion, is more guilty than the guy who just paid a fine for colluding because Trump respects Putin? Do I have this right?

Accusations are not evidence, sugar britches.


I think it was Rocktar now that you mention it.

Infowars=slate? You're god damn stupid if you think that

[Androidpk]

I'm not sure I understand your point here. You're seem to be implying there's no evidence of collusion, but that's a lie. There's actually a ton of evidence of collusion at this point. There's a difference between not having proved something and not having any evidence of it.

And just because Russia supported Sanders doesn't mean Sanders colluded with them. Last I checked, Sanders hasn't been telling everyone how great Putin was, trying to convince everyone that Russia didn't meddle in our elections, didn't hire a bunch of people who were suspected of being Russian operatives (including one who made a name for himself by helping Putin install a leader in another country), and there are no emails where members of his campaign was happily meeting with Russians promising dirt on Clinton.

So it's not really a fair comparison.


https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/968658623802040320

[Rheisia]

https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/968658623802040320

Wow. I didn't know about half of this stuff. And the other half I vaguely recall but had forgotten.

The hardest part for us normal people who don't spend a lot of time researching this stuff and following it daily is keeping track of all of the dots. I feel like I need one of those giant boards on my bedroom wall with a bunch of articles and pushpins connected with yarn lol

[drauz]

Wow. I didn't know about half of this stuff. And the other half I vaguely recall but had forgotten.

The hardest part for us normal people who don't spend a lot of time researching this stuff and following it daily is keeping track of all of the dots. I feel like I need one of those giant boards on my bedroom wall with a bunch of articles and pushpins connected with yarn lol

https://media.giphy.com/media/l0IylOPCNkiqOgMyA/source.gif

[Methais]

Infowars=slate? You're god damn stupid if you think that

Good point. Slate is probably worse. Thanks for the input!

[Neveragain]

Wasn't it Australia? 7 college students here to learn about US politics volunteered for Bernie. That's the collusion you're taking about?

So now we are going to move the goalpost, yet again, and make it that some collusion is ok as long as it's "good" collusion?

Only Russians eat babies.

[Taernath]

Republicans be like

https://www.laprogressive.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/boiling-frog-wide.gif

[Neveragain]

Infowars=slate? You're god damn stupid if you think that

My propaganda is real, damn it!

[Rheisia]

So now we are going to move the goalpost, yet again, and make it that some collusion is ok as long as it's "good" collusion?

Only Russians eat babies.

Australia is a US ally that tries to help us. Russia is our greatest geopolitical enemy- who not only meddled in our election to undermine our Democracy but also recently showed a video of Russia dropping nuclear bombs on Florida.

I'm really trying to approach your posts with an open mind, but when you say things like this- it makes it really hard to do.

[Methais]

Russia is our greatest geopolitical enemy.

What a racist thing to say.


https://youtu.be/N0IWe11RWOM

[Neveragain]

Australia is a US ally that tries to help us. Russia is our greatest geopolitical enemy- who not only meddled in our election to undermine our Democracy but also recently showed a video of Russia dropping nuclear bombs on Florida.

I'm really trying to approach your posts with an open mind, but when you say things like this- it makes it really hard to do.

It's really kind of simple. Bernie got busted, Trump has yet to have any charges brought against him. One is guilty of collusion, one is not.


but also recently showed a video of Russia dropping nuclear bombs on Florida.

I think you mean North Korea. I have not heard or seen anything about Russian propaganda like that.

[Wrathbringer]

What a racist thing to say.


https://youtu.be/N0IWe11RWOM

http://i.imgur.com/EqQOTR9.gif

[Taernath]

I think you mean North Korea. I have not heard or seen anything about Russian propaganda like that.

It was an animation from the announcement of that 'invincible' nuke they built.

[Latrinsorm]

It's really kind of simple. Bernie got busted, Trump has yet to have any charges brought against him. One is guilty of collusion, one is not.

I think you mean North Korea. I have not heard or seen anything about Russian propaganda like that.http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/article202925334.html

The question you should now be asking yourself is "self, why did I not hear or see anything about this? Who benefited from me not doing so?"

[CertainlyNotATroll]

Hello fine American friends! We thought it be funny if we were to be hitting you in "the dick" as you fine American cowboys might be sayings! FLordia look like a penis.

[Rheisia]

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/article202925334.html

The question you should now be asking yourself is "self, why did I not hear or see anything about this? Who benefited from me not doing so?"

And the next morning, Trump started tweeting about Alec Baldwin. He had nothing to say about this. Why is he absolutely unwilling to criticize Putin? Even when Putin is mock bombing the US with nuclear weapons they claim can't be stopped by our defense systems?

[Wrathbringer]

And the next morning, Trump started tweeting about Alec Baldwin. He had nothing to say about this. Why is he absolutely unwilling to criticize Putin? Even when Putin is mock bombing the US with nuclear weapons they claim can't be stopped by our defense systems?

I agree with you. This crossed a line. I do think Trump will address it at some point in the near future.

[Rheisia]

I agree with you. This crossed a line. I do think Trump will address it at some point in the near future.

He is normally SO fast about responding to anything he considers to be a slight. Remember how he dealt with North Korea? Fire and Fury?

I'm genuinely wondering- why do you think this one is getting a pass? Or, at best, a heavily delayed response? There has to be something I'm not seeing here.

[Wrathbringer]

He is normally SO fast about responding to anything he considers to be a slight. Remember how he dealt with North Korea? Fire and Fury?

I'm genuinely wondering- why do you think this one is getting a pass? Or, at best, a heavily delayed response? There has to be something I'm not seeing here.

I'd suggest that Russia deserves a more measured response than the despot in North Korea. But I don't know. I'm interested to see how this is handled.

[Neveragain]

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/article202925334.html

The question you should now be asking yourself is "self, why did I not hear or see anything about this? Who benefited from me not doing so?"

It's totally not what I'm asking myself at all.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ekAU-lBn5tU/U5Ck-JuUk6I/AAAAAAAA6uY/de9vCcjBfno/s1600/post-17617-blues-brothers-toast-gif-Imgur-wJW2.gif

[~Rocktar~]

Really want to hurt Russia very badly, it's super simple. Authorize the sale of American natural gas to Europe. It would not take long for the Russian economy to be on the brink of collapse. As much bluster as Putin has, he knows Europe is paying his bills.

[Rheisia]

Really want to hurt Russia very badly, it's super simple. Authorize the sale of American natural gas to Europe. It would not take long for the Russian economy to be on the brink of collapse. As much bluster as Putin has, he knows Europe is paying his bills.

I think the point here is that Trump doesn't seem particularly interested in hurting Russia.

He was supposed to impose additional sanctions on them a month or so ago. He refused despite Congress having mandated it.

And no one is really sure why. Just like no one is sure why he went after Alec Baldwin the morning after the Florida Nuke Show instead of Russian and Putin.

He doesn't seem to have a lot of lines he won't cross. So far it's just his immediate family and Vladimir Putin.

[Androidpk]

I think the point here is that Trump doesn't seem particularly interested in hurting Russia.

He was supposed to impose additional sanctions on them a month or so ago. He refused despite Congress having mandated it.

And no one is really sure why. Just like no one is sure why he went after Alec Baldwin the morning after the Florida Nuke Show instead of Russian and Putin.

He doesn't seem to have a lot of lines he won't cross. So far it's just his immediate family and Vladimir Putin.

Because kompromat. He isn't going to say jack shit to Putin.

[Rheisia]

Because kompromat. He isn't going to say jack shit to Putin.

That's definitely possible.

Wrath's point about possibly needing a lighter touch isn't a bad one. But I'm just having a really hard time thinking of another situation where Trump showed self-restraint after being threatened or insulted. He's currently making threats at the EU over their anger at his new tariffs. He threatens the media, he threatens Mueller, he threatens his own staff, he threatens North Korea, he threatens China, he threatened CANADA...the guy likes his threats.

Then a country does a mock nuclear bombing of the US- and suddenly he has self-restraint? It's just tough for me to swallow because I can't really think of any other similar situations where he's acted this way.

[Androidpk]

Don't forget they attacked US troops in Syria and the Kremlin gave permission for it. What did Trump say about it? Nothing.

[cwolff]

He already colluded with Russia and covered it up. What's happening ain't no riddle.

NA is trying to say Bernies a felon because his campaign paid a fine but theses guys are to trump what trump is to Putin.

[Rheisia]

It's the ONLY side of him that makes me suspicious, that put's that seed of doubt in my mind. Democratliberalblah blah whatever da fuck who cares but... but but but why the FUCK does he just absolutely positively refuse to say a bad word or text or whatever about Russia even after they threaten to nuke Florida.

It's like OK guy, Mueller is on a witch hunt and Dems are playing politics I hear yah but what's with the super leniency on Russia? just fucking slam them like you do our allies so you can finally prove to America that you have absolutely no connection to Russia! Seems like a no brainer to me... uhhh duhhh people think I'm in cahoots with Russia... duhh I'll be super nice to them even when they threaten us that'll show I'm against them! duhh wait..

What about the Sanctions stuff? It turns out the first thing he tried to do when he got into office was to roll back the sanctions that Obama put into place to punish Russia for meddling in our elections. Why would that be any kind of priority whatsoever?

And if you sit around and think about what collusion would have looked like (hypothetically)- it's Russians helping Trump get elected, and Trump rolling back Russian sanctions. So if you know that people suspect you of colluding with the Russians- WHY would that be the first thing you did? Why would that be anywhere near your list? It would look horrible no matter what the circumstances- let alone when half the country thinks you're a Russian operative.

It's just really, really hard to ignore the fact that Trump got what he wanted, and he keeps trying to give Russia what it wants. And Trump refuses to punish Russia for helping him in the election- which makes it look like something he wanted to happen. People can say Mueller is on a witch hunt on they want, but shouldn't someone be looking into that? I mean, objectively, isn't that sort of the prudent thing to do?

[Methais]

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/article202925334.html

The question you should now be asking yourself is "self, why did I not hear or see anything about this? Who benefited from me not doing so?"

I just assumed they were preparing to provide backup in case there’s another school shooting, since the cops don’t seem to be able to handle it.

[cwolff]

I hate to say it but it's his base. The 33%; vast majority of which are older white males who considers Trump their 'white savior'; he'll kick out those Mexicans, slap women back to the kitchen, and set the world as it was ! Trump is that last hail mary pass for what is their meaningless, miserable failure lives; while in fact if they just stopped playing Gemstone and actually focused they would've been happier. #SAD

The media bends over backwards to not offend the trump voter. They lionize the dude who wrote the book on hillbilly unhappiness, pander to the "working class" coal country dipshits and constantly try to explain why trump won. The reality is that his win is simple. He appealed to racists and the country is racist as fuck. Trump supporters are racists. Obama's election unnerved them and this is the "whitelash". There's no mystery here. Just racism

[Methais]

The media bends over backwards to not offend the trump voter. They lionize the dude who wrote the book on hillbilly unhappiness, pander to the "working class" coal country dipshits and constantly try to explain why trump won. The reality is that his win is simple. He appealed to racists and the country is racist as fuck. Trump supporters are racists. Obama's election unnerved them and this is the "whitelash". There's no mystery here. Just racism

You’re the most racist person I’ve ever met.

[Wrathbringer]

The media bends over backwards to not offend the trump voter. They lionize the dude who wrote the book on hillbilly unhappiness, pander to the "working class" coal country dipshits and constantly try to explain why trump won. The reality is that his win is simple. He appealed to racists and the country is racist as fuck. Trump supporters are racists. Obama's election unnerved them and this is the "whitelash". There's no mystery here. Just racism

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[cwolff]

You’re the most racist person I’ve ever met.

And trump is the least racist person you've ever met. You just proved my point in a roundabout way.

[Wrathbringer]

And trump is the least racist person you've ever met. You just proved my point in a roundabout way.

...no...no, he didn't. But you just keep on doing you.

[cwolff]

...no...no, he didn't. But you just keep on doing you.

You're proving the point too. Like Donald you're hypersensitive about your racism. Just recognize. Its the first step in dealing with it.

[Gelston]

You're proving the point too. Like Donald you're hypersensitive about your racism. Just recognize. Its the first step in dealing with it.

You're proving the point too. Like Liberals you're hypersensitive about your racism. Just recognize. It's the first step in dealing with it.

[cwolff]

You're proving the point too. Like Liberals you're hypersensitive about your racism. Just recognize. It's the first step in dealing with it.

Ya, I'm sensitive about it for sure. Its 150 years aince the civil war and we're still racist as fuck.

[Wrathbringer]

Ya, I'm sensitive about it for sure. Its 150 years aince the civil war and we're still racist as fuck.

Speak for yourself you ignorant tard.

[cwolff]

Speak for yourself you ignorant tard.

See what I mean. Hyper sensitive. You're racist. Just own it.

[Methais]

And trump is the least racist person you've ever met. You just proved my point in a roundabout way.

I love how everything goes over your head because you have this need to be super serious all the time even when you know (or at least should know, but you still don’t seem to grasp it) that no one is taking you seriously or acting seriously themselves.

You should just make this your avatar:
https://i.imgur.com/COPbfBN.jpg

PS: you’re the most racist person I’ve ever met in my life. You’re also an everythingphobe. And racist. Still.

[cwolff]

I love how everything goes over your head because you have this need to be super serious all the time even when you know (or at least should know, but you still don’t seem to grasp it) that no one is taking you seriously or acting seriously themselves.

You should just make this your avatar:
https://i.imgur.com/COPbfBN.jpg

PS: you’re the most racist person I’ve ever met in my life. You’re also an everythingphobe. And racist. Still.

Typical shitheads. Get called out and backpedal, "man, I'm just joking. You take things too seriously."

Good news is that since trump broke the ass ceiling, you too could be president.

[Methais]

Typical shitheads. Get called out and backpedal, "man, I'm just joking. You take things too seriously."

You truly are stupid as fuck.

Because you’re racist of course. The most racist homophobe xenophobe islamophobe misogynist ever.

EDIT: And transphobe. And you require a crowbar in order to take a dump.

[cwolff]

I know you are but what am I

Fixed it for you. Brevity brother. Brevity

[Methais]

Fixed it for you. Brevity brother. Brevity

See what I mean. Hyper sensitive. You're racist. Just own it.

[Androidpk]

"It was just a prank, bro!"

[Methais]

"It was just a prank, bro!"

You are now the most racist person I’ve ever met.

[Wrathbringer]

"It was just a prank, bro!"

It was just a woman masturbating, bro!

[Androidpk]

WASHINGTON — As Russia’s virtual war against the United States continues unabated with the midterm elections approaching, the State Department has yet to spend any of the $120 million it has been allocated since late 2016 to counter foreign efforts to meddle in elections or sow distrust in democracy.

As a result, not one of the 23 analysts working in the department’s Global Engagement Center — which has been tasked with countering Moscow’s disinformation campaign — speaks Russian, and a department hiring freeze has hindered efforts to recruit the computer experts needed to track the Russian efforts.

[cwolff]

WASHINGTON — As Russia’s virtual war against the United States continues unabated with the midterm elections approaching, the State Department has yet to spend any of the $120 million it has been allocated since late 2016 to counter foreign efforts to meddle in elections or sow distrust in democracy.

As a result, not one of the 23 analysts working in the department’s Global Engagement Center — which has been tasked with countering Moscow’s disinformation campaign — speaks Russian, and a department hiring freeze has hindered efforts to recruit the computer experts needed to track the Russian efforts.

It's almost as if trump gives permission to Russia to attack our elections. That's odd considering it's basically his main job to stop this shit. I wonder why?

[Androidpk]

BREAKING: grandy jury in Mueller probe has issued subpoenas for docs going back to Nov. 1, 2015, 4½ months after Trump launched his campaign to Trump, Bannon, Cohen, Gates, Hicks, Lewandowski, Manafort, Page, Schiller and Stone.

[cwolff]

Two basic facts make clear the extent of the dereliction.

The first fact is undeniable, that an operation orchestrated at the highest levels of Vladimir Putin’s government tried with alarming success to disrupt our elections in 2016 and is planning even greater disruptions in the future. The announcement by special counsel Robert Mueller’s office of indictments against 13 Russian nationals has finally settled the matter.

Even within the Trump administration, senior officials other than the President, including Secretary of State Rex Tillerson, CIA Director Mike Pompeo and national security adviser H.R. McMaster, have called the evidence incontrovertible and warned about the severity of continuing Russian interference.

Russia has launched similar disinformation warfare against other democracies in recent years, including Germany, France and the U.K. It deploys what a recent Rand Corp. study describes as a “fire hose of falsehoods,” precisely targeted to select audiences on an industrial scale. Although there is no evidence of actual tampering with votes, in 2016, Russian hackers breached sensitive voting records in Illinois and targeted the elections systems of 38 other states.

The U.S. remains under threat.

The second fact is equally undeniable: Trump has done virtually nothing to fight back or to deter future meddling. To the contrary, he has dwelled in narcissistic fantasy and called the Russia allegations part of a “hoax.”
He has smeared the veracity of Americans who have devoted their lives to public service yet has vouched for Putin’s sincerity. As ever more evidence has emerged, instead of defending the nation and its Constitution, Trump has stubbornly maintained his position.

Impeach the fuck (http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/grounds-trump-impeachment-article-1.3847590). He's not doing his most basic job.

[Wrathbringer]

Impeach the fuck (http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/grounds-trump-impeachment-article-1.3847590). He's not doing his most basic job.

WaAAAAaAaaahhhhh I lost!

[Neveragain]

Impeach the fuck (http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/grounds-trump-impeachment-article-1.3847590). He's not doing his most basic job.

So this whole time the Democrats were defending the constitution with the mandate?

I guess I just keep missing the part where it says "purchase health insurance or be punished"

Trump has not even come close to that kind of bullshit.

Democrats should pursue Impeachment now instead of waiting until after the midterms. Imagine the fire and brimstone that could take place in 9 months time, this must be done now.

[Rheisia]

So this whole time the Democrats were defending the constitution with the mandate?

I guess I just keep missing the part where it says "purchase health insurance or be punished"

Trump has not even come close to that kind of bullshit.

Democrats should pursue Impeachment now instead of waiting until after the midterms. Imagine the fire and brimstone that could take place in 9 months time, this must be done now.

Except the Supreme Court ruled that it wa constitutional.

Also, I don't understand how refusing to even try to stop Russia from hacking our elections is in the same category as making sure the country has medical care. And I really don't get how you could possibly argue that the healthcare is worse.

Honestly, you've been saying some really weird things.

[Neveragain]

Except the Supreme Court ruled that it wa constitutional.

Also, I don't understand how refusing to even try to stop Russia from hacking our elections is in the same category as making sure the country has medical care. And I really don't get how you could possibly argue that the healthcare is worse.

Honestly, you've been saying some really weird things.

"ruled" does not = law.

Show me in the constitution where it says one must purchase insurance.

Why do I need to worry about Russia when the Democrats are trying to enact Communist laws?

Since when does insurance = medical care? Not a single damn thing about healthcare was fixed. All that happened is insurance companies were given the golden egg with the label monopoly written on the side.

Please for the love of god, just point to the part of the constitution that says we are required to purchase insurance or sit your communist ass down.

[Rheisia]

"ruled" does not = law.

Show me in the constitution where it says one must purchase insurance.

Why do I need to worry about Russia when the Democrats are trying to enact Communist laws?

Since when does insurance = medical care? Not a single damn thing about healthcare was fixed. All that happened is insurance companies were given the golden egg with the label monopoly written on the side.

Please for the love of god, just point to the part of the constitution that says we are required to purchase insurance or sit your communist ass down.

What?

Ruled literally means law. That's outlined in the Constitution. And I'm pretty sure that it was decided because the Constitution allows Congress to levy taxes.

You're not actually required to buy insurance. You just have to pay a tax if you don't.

You're really not making any sense right now. And I can't even get into your communism argument because only like one country in the world with Universal Healthcare is Communist.

[Gelston]

What?

Ruled literally means law. That's outlined in the Constitution. And I'm pretty sure that it was decided because the Constitution allows Congress to levy taxes.

You're not actually required to buy insurance. You just have to pay a tax if you don't.

You're really not making any sense right now. And I can't even get into your communism argument because only like one country in the world with Universal Healthcare is Communist.

Not anymore you don't. Trump killed that Individual Mandate.

But yes, the Supreme Court ruling something does mean it is law in a roundabout way. It was law before that and they are just confirming it is a valid one or not a valid one within the scope of the Constitution.

[Rheisia]

Not anymore you don't. Trump killed that Individual Mandate.

But yes, the Supreme Court ruling something does mean it is law in a roundabout way. It was law before that and they are just confirming it is a valid one or not a valid one within the scope of the Constitution.

The individual mandate wasn't something punishable by law. You couldn't go to jail, or face community service, or ever go near a Court or Police Station if you didn't have insurance. You weren't even actually fined. Your taxes just went up a bit.

It's sort of a stretch to say you were ever required to have insurance. To me, it's like saying you are required to give to charity because your taxes are higher if you don't.

[Rheisia]

I should add that I do get that the difference between a fine and a tax isn't huge if you are opposed to taxes.

[Gelston]

I should add that I do get that the difference between a fine and a tax isn't huge if you are opposed to taxes.

It was a penalty, which is essentially a fine. If you don't pay it, you face further action. There really isn't a huge difference, other than what it is called.

Not that it matters anymore. It is gone after this tax season ends.

[cwolff]

So this whole time the Democrats were defending the constitution with the mandate?

I guess I just keep missing the part where it says "purchase health insurance or be punished"

Trump has not even come close to that kind of bullshit.

Democrats should pursue Impeachment now instead of waiting until after the midterms. Imagine the fire and brimstone that could take place in 9 months time, this must be done now.


"ruled" does not = law.

Show me in the constitution where it says one must purchase insurance.

Why do I need to worry about Russia when the Democrats are trying to enact Communist laws?

Since when does insurance = medical care? Not a single damn thing about healthcare was fixed. All that happened is insurance companies were given the golden egg with the label monopoly written on the side.

Please for the love of god, just point to the part of the constitution that says we are required to purchase insurance or sit your communist ass down.

This is why I've singled you out a trumpanzee in the past. You make unreasonable withering arguments against dem positions and give trump a pass on shit bordering on treason. It makes no sense...unless you are a trumpanzee. Then it does indeed make sense.

[Androidpk]

BREAKING: grandy jury in Mueller probe has issued subpoenas for docs going back to Nov. 1, 2015, 4½ months after Trump launched his campaign to Trump, Bannon, Cohen, Gates, Hicks, Lewandowski, Manafort, Page, Schiller and Stone.

Special counsel Robert S. Mueller III is now directly gunning for President Trump — and not just on one front. It appears that Mueller is investigating whether Trump himself committed misconduct or possible criminality on two fronts, and possibly more.


NBC News is now reporting that Mueller has sent a subpoena to an unnamed witness that appears to hint at just how wide a net Mueller has cast. NBC reports that the subpoena suggests Mueller is focused, among other things, on determining what Trump himself knew about Russian sabotage of the 2016 election as it was happening.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2018/03/05/mueller-is-casting-a-wide-net-we-now-know-the-target-is-trump/?utm_term=.22631c7f337d

I wonder who the unnamed witness is.. Kushner? Assange? Conway?

[cwolff]

Russia believed it effectively blocked former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney from being President Donald Trump’s choice for secretary of state, according to an unpublished memo penned by the same author of the Trump-Russia dossier.

A little more fuel for the fire

http://www.newsweek.com/christopher-steele-memo-romney-trump-830494

[Methais]

The individual mandate wasn't something punishable by law. You couldn't go to jail, or face community service, or ever go near a Court or Police Station if you didn't have insurance. You weren't even actually fined. Your taxes just went up a bit.

It's sort of a stretch to say you were ever required to have insurance. To me, it's like saying you are required to give to charity because your taxes are higher if you don't.

You don't have to drive the speed limit. You just have to pay a fine if you get caught speeding. And if you don't pay the fine, then you go to jail. But you didn't go to jail for speeding, you went to jail for not paying the fine that you were given because you were speeding!

Bob didn't die from a gunshot. He died from massive internal bleeding and hemorrhaging after a bullet pierced his organs.

[Gelston]

You don't have to drive the speed limit. You just have to pay a fine if you get caught speeding. And if you don't pay the fine, then you go to jail. But you didn't go to jail for speeding, you went to jail for not paying the fine that you were given because you were speeding!

Bob didn't die from a gunshot. He died from massive internal bleeding and hemorrhaging after a bullet pierced his organs.

Guns don't kill people, holes do!

[Methais]

Guns don't kill people, holes do!

Proof that guns don't kill people:

https://i.imgur.com/pgcnO39.gif

Let's see how Latrin tries to argue against that.

[Gelston]

Proof that guns don't kill people:

https://i.imgur.com/pgcnO39.gif

Let's see how Latrin tries to argue against that.

He'll incorrectly use the term agrarian about 3546345 times.

[Androidpk]

A little more fuel for the fire

http://www.newsweek.com/christopher-steele-memo-romney-trump-830494

No collusion! :lol:

[cwolff]

Corey Lewandowski: "If anybody attempted to influence our US election system by coordinating or cooperating with an outside source to materially change the outcome of this election, those people should be in jail for the rest of their lives."

Wow, Lewandowski wants Manafort, Little trump and the Boy Blunder in jail for life!

[Wrathbringer]

Wow, Lewandowski wants Manafort, Little trump and the Boy Blunder in jail for life!

THIS IS REALLY IT THIS TIME GUYS1!!!!!! IT'S REALLY GOING TO START HEATING UP NOW!!!!!1

[Methais]

THIS IS REALLY IT THIS TIME GUYS1!!!!!! IT'S REALLY GOING TO START HEATING UP NOW!!!!!1

https://img-s3.onedio.com/id-5735daf5f69da7f02f1eeddc/rev-0/w-635/f-jpg-gif-webp-webm-mp4/s-c2a11c780a7646cb5c591d7ae9094ca833fd8091.gif

[Rheisia]

No collusion! :lol:

In fairness, according to this article there was only one source for the Secretary of State claim. This is kind of a big deal as far as accusations go, and I feel like it would've been in the original memo if he was completely sure of it. (But maybe the info came later?)

But I can't lie here. Nominating Tillerson always just seemed so strange to me. Both the people in charge of Russian Sanctions (Secretary of State and Secretary of the Treasury) just happened to have serious Russian ties. I don't believe in coincidences in politics. It's all one giant chess game. I'm not saying there can't be another explanation for why these two were nominated, but I'm having a hard time finding one. But it's not like I know a ton about them.

[cwolff]

Oh ya, the memo and the article are explicit in that regard. You maybe mis reading my intention. I'm not calling this bomb proof evidence. Just more fuel to the fire

[Rheisia]

yeah. just playing devils advocate. one of the things I do agree with Never, Methais, etc on here is that some of the stuff I see coming out seems overblown. I do actually believe that Trump colluded with Russia. He's basically doing everything I would expect someone to do if they colluded with a foreign enemy. But I also feel like its really easy to fall for every story that comes out. I don't really like him but he's not a super villain.

[Androidpk]

So far Nunberg has said on TV that:

Carter Page definitely colluded with Russia
Trump knew about the Trump tower meeting before it happened
Mueller has something on Trump
Russian prostitutes in 2013

[Latrinsorm]

Show me in the constitution where it says one must purchase insurance."promote the general welfare"

Happy to help.
He'll incorrectly use the term agrarian about 3546345 times.This remains one of your weirdest intransigences. But don't take my word for it:
Ancient Rome was an agrarian and slave based economy. (https://www.unrv.com/economy.php)
The economy of the Roman Empire was predominantly agrarian. (https://www.press.umich.edu/210845/law_and_the_rural_economy_in_the_roman_empire)
Byzantium itself ... failed to industrialise or even develop a pre-industrial commercial revolution. (https://www.mindthismagazine.com/not-all-roads-lead-to-rome-why-was-there-no-byzantine-industrial-revolution/)
And that last guy uses British spelling (or Ye Queene's Ængliush) so you know he's on the ball.

[Rheisia]

If you ask me this doesn't really sound like someone who isn't planning on doing everything Mueller asks. If you're trying to get an investigator off of your back you don't say those things in public. Sounds like someone who doesn't want to get dragged down with Trump but who also doesn't want to ruin his career by seeming too willing to work with Mueller.

[Rheisia]

or maybe he's trying to warn Trump and others of what Mueller is looking at right now

[Neveragain]

What?

Ruled literally means law. That's outlined in the Constitution. And I'm pretty sure that it was decided because the Constitution allows Congress to levy taxes.

You're not actually required to buy insurance. You just have to pay a tax if you don't.

You're really not making any sense right now. And I can't even get into your communism argument because only like one country in the world with Universal Healthcare is Communist.

The entire concept of "forced" government healthcare is completely communist. This gives the government total and complete control over your body, so much for that "It's my body" bullshit. Eat what we don't want you to eat? fuck you, pay me. You drive? fuck you, pay me. You don't get 8 hours of sleep a day? fuck you, pay me. Quit being a willing slave.

I really think this is mostly a problem of people not understanding what money is, especially how our money is backed. The value of the dollar is based upon our nations GDP, that is what is produced through our labors. This means when you and the other idiots, I'm trying not to be insulting (but you truly must be an idiot once you understand that our money is the blood, sweat and tears of your labors), say it's "just a fine".......no bitch you are stealing my labor I.E. slavery. Fuck the stupid bastards, let natural law work. Capable people should be left to learn from their own stupidity.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XGAmPRxV48

[Neveragain]

"promote the general welfare"

Insurance does not benefit the general welfare, it's basically gambling.

[cwolff]

The entire concept of "forced" government healthcare is completely communist. This gives the government total and complete control over your body, so much for that "It's my body" bullshit. Eat what we don't want you to eat? fuck you, pay me. You drive? fuck you, pay me. You don't get 8 hours of sleep a day? fuck you, pay me. Quit being a willing slave.

I really think this is mostly a problem of people not understanding what money is, especially how are money is backed. The value of the dollar is based upon our nations GDP, that is what is produced through our labors. This means when you and the other idiots, I'm trying not to be insulting (but you truly must be an idiot once you understand that our money is the blood, sweat and tears of your labors), say it's "just a fine".......no bitch you are stealing my labor I.E. slavery. Fuck the stupid bastards, let natural law work. Capable people should be left to learn from their own stupidity.



It's not based on GDP or the sweat of your labors. I don't think you understand this subject the way you think you do

[Neveragain]

It's not based on GDP or the sweat of your labors. I don't think you understand this subject the way you think you do

I have to use the "you're retarded" reply here.

[cwolff]

I have to use the "you're retarded" reply here.

You're the one chastising people here because they don't understand that the US dollar value is tied to GDP. You just don't know what you're talking about. You have an idea, but you don't really know, but you're acting like you know

[Rheisia]

The entire concept of "forced" government healthcare is completely communist. This gives the government total and complete control over your body, so much for that "It's my body" bullshit. Eat what we don't want you to eat? fuck you, pay me. You drive? fuck you, pay me. You don't get 8 hours of sleep a day? fuck you, pay me. Quit being a willing slave.

I really think this is mostly a problem of people not understanding what money is, especially how are money is backed. The value of the dollar is based upon our nations GDP, that is what is produced through our labors. This means when you and the other idiots, I'm trying not to be insulting (but you truly must be an idiot once you understand that our money is the blood, sweat and tears of your labors), say it's "just a fine".......no bitch you are stealing my labor I.E. slavery. Fuck the stupid bastards, let natural law work. Capable people should be left to learn from their own stupidity.



I have to be honest- I don't think communism means what you think it means. And if this were communist then it wouldn't be something we mostly see in democracies. Also I'm not an economist but I do know enough to know that the value of the dollar isn't directly based on GDP. there's a reason why we have the Federal Reserve. And things like taxes do affect things like inflation which is directly related to the value of the dollar. That's not about GDP.

What's sort of funny though is that the whole "this is about the labor of the people, and we shouldn't be shaving anything off of that" was actually the basis of Marxism.

[Latrinsorm]

Insurance does not benefit the general welfare, it's basically gambling.People getting preventive treatment benefits the general welfare.
Insurance encourages them to do that instead of waiting for catastrophic illness.
Insurance promotes the general welfare.

Having less acute costs to worry about encourages people to keep less money in ready reserve, which helps the economy either via spending or investing.
Insurance reduces the frequency of one type of acute cost.
Insurance promotes the general welfare.

Being more likely to get paid gives people more incentive to become a doctor.
Insurance makes it more likely for doctors to get paid.
Insurance promotes the general welfare.

Obeying a law is not slavery.
The purchase of any insurance in no way entails a commitment to any diet, means of transportation, or sleep pattern.
Insurance promotes the general welfare.

[Neveragain]

You're the one chastising people here because they don't understand that the US dollar value is tied to GDP. You just don't know what you're talking about. You have an idea, but you don't really know, but you're acting like you know

If we produced less, would the value of the dollar be greater or less?

[Latrinsorm]

If we produced less, would the value of the dollar be greater or less?https://imgur.com/duekJo3.png

For real GDP growth and CPI inflation since World War II, there is extremely low correlation.

[Neveragain]

People getting preventive treatment benefits the general welfare.
Insurance encourages them to do that instead of waiting for catastrophic illness.
Insurance promotes the general welfare.

Having less acute costs to worry about encourages people to keep less money in ready reserve, which helps the economy either via spending or investing.
Insurance reduces the frequency of one type of acute cost.
Insurance promotes the general welfare.

Being more likely to get paid gives people more incentive to become a doctor.
Insurance makes it more likely for doctors to get paid.
Insurance promotes the general welfare.

Obeying a law is not slavery.
The purchase of any insurance in no way entails a commitment to any diet, means of transportation, or sleep pattern.
Insurance promotes the general welfare.

The same could be said about any need.


Obeying a law is not slavery.

Laws are simply the removal of an individuals free will. Taking my money (which I get through my labor) to punish me for not purchasing protection is not a just law.

[Neveragain]

https://imgur.com/duekJo3.png

For real GDP growth and CPI inflation since World War II, there is extremely low correlation.


If we produced less, would the value of the dollar be greater or less?

Just answer the fucking question.

[Wrathbringer]

I have to use the "you're retarded" reply here.

I'll allow it.

[Latrinsorm]

Just answer the fucking question.I did. The answer is, empirically, neither.
The same could be said about any need.And yet it's still in the Constitution. You asked a question, you got the answer. You can accept it or be mad about it, doesn't bother me.
Laws are simply the removal of an individuals free will. Taking my money (which I get through my labor) to punish me for not purchasing protection is not a just law.Wouldn't be the first time the Supreme Court has declared an unjust law Constitutional, but you agree with lots of other ways the government takes our money, so it seems like that's not the real issue here.

[Neveragain]

And yet it's still in the Constitution.


Show me in the constitution where it says one must purchase insurance.

General welfare looks nothing like "you must purchase insurance"

That's why it is no longer law, you lost.

[Rheisia]

General welfare looks nothing like "you must purchase insurance"

That's why it is no longer law, you lost.

No, it's no longer law because it was a Republican campaign issue, and because Republicans hate taxes. It had nothing to do with the definition of welfare.

I just want to check- do you know why the individual mandate was created? I don't mean your thoughts on it, I mean- do you know the actual, official reason why it was created?

[Neveragain]

No, it's no longer law because it was a Republican campaign issue, and because Republicans hate taxes. It had nothing to do with the definition of welfare.

I just want to check- do you know why the individual mandate was created? I don't mean your thoughts on it, I mean- do you know the actual, official reason why it was created?

Again, courts don't make law. You lost, thank God the ignorance has been rejected by the states.

The reason is because the whole scam falls apart if the middle class can't have their pockets picked, I'm not sure if that's the official reason you were given though.

P.S. You like taxes?

[drauz]

I enjoy some of the things that taxes pay for and you do as well probably.

I wish there was some way to take into account the area you are living. Earning 50k in NY isn't the same as earning 50k in Wyoming.

[Rheisia]

Again, courts don't make law. You lost, thank God the ignorance has been rejected by the states.

The reason is because the whole scam falls apart if the middle class can't have their pockets picked, I'm not sure if that's the official reason you were given though.

P.S. You like taxes?

They don't make laws. Congress made the law. They do decide if a law is constitutional. I'm not sure why you think I'm arguing that the Courts made the individual mandate.

And yes, I like taxes. They pay for things that people need. They also keep inflation down.

[Neveragain]

They don't make laws. Congress made the law. They do decide if a law is constitutional. I'm not sure why you think I'm arguing that the Courts made the individual mandate.

And yes, I like taxes. They pay for things that people need. They also keep inflation down.


No, it's no longer law because it was a Republican campaign issue, and because Republicans hate taxes. It had nothing to do with the definition of welfare.

Perhaps this is where my confusion lies. It's almost as if you don't understand that those evil Republicans are elected by people who pay taxes.

What are those things people need that they could not choose for themselves? You're basically using the broken glass argument. This is also a liberal symptom of thinking you know what people need more than the people themselves. Basically you have a superiority complex. If it makes you happy, you are more than welcome to pay my taxes too, just think how happy you will be.

Using taxes to deter inflation...well....it's kind of evil as fuck. "Those cogs are too expensive, let's make them even more expensive so people won't buy them."

P.S. I think you may also be forgetting that the supreme court ruled that the ACA was not a tax. :lol: I keep praying for another conservative Judge before 2020.

P.P.S. It's good to have you back Time4fun.

[Neveragain]

I wish there was some way to take into account the area you are living. Earning 50k in NY isn't the same as earning 50k in Wyoming.

There used to be, it was when states were allowed to issue their own currency. Most likely that was ended because the loser states were tired of losing to the winners.

[Rheisia]

Perhaps this is where my confusion lies. It's almost as if you don't understand that those evil Republicans are elected by people who pay taxes.

What are those things people need that they could not choose for themselves? You're basically using the broken glass argument. This is also a liberal symptom of thinking you know what people need more than the people themselves. Basically you have a superiority complex. If it makes you happy, you are more than welcome to pay my taxes too, just think how happy you will be.

Using taxes to deter inflation...well....it's kind of evil as fuck. "Those cogs are too expensive, let's make them even more expensive so people won't buy them."

P.S. I think you may also be forgetting that the supreme court ruled that the ACA was not a tax. :lol: I keep praying for another conservative Judge before 2020.

P.P.S. It's good to have you back Time4fun.

i am starting to get why no one had been taking you seriously.

[Neveragain]

i am starting to get why no one had been taking you seriously.

They probably should have, I kept telling them Trump would win and he did. I kept telling them that the ACA would make costs skyrocket and it did.

I'm even to the point of explaining to you what makes money have value and well, you insist it's the tools of manipulation that give money value.

It's a slow process but we will get there.

P.S. Off to work, where I exchange my labor for dollars.

[Rheisia]

Clean running water, roads, police for our protection, military; so the Russians don't decide to just invade, FDA so the drug companies don't stick knockoff chemicals that'll actually kill us, GPS, transistors for our computers, internet, jet airplanes, cancer research, fuel cells, spacecraft, education for our kids etc. etc.

It's a giant misunderstanding/myth that private companies are the primary drivers of technological advancement. It's actually government sponsored programs in basic sciences which eventually trickles down to commercial/public usage.

maybe this is wrong, but I still trust business more than government with innovation. I do think competition matters. though this is a really interesting point I hadn't thought about.

[Methais]

Obeying a law is not slavery.

"You're not a slave Mr. Kinte, you're just following the law!"

[Methais]

Again, courts don't make law. You lost, thank God the ignorance has been rejected by the states.

Pretty sure they're referring to case law.


P.S. You like taxes?

A friend of mine was in a band once and his singer was such a douche that my friend said he'd rather pay taxes than go to band practice.


P.S. I think you may also be forgetting that the supreme court ruled that the ACA was not a tax. I keep praying for another conservative Judge before 2020.

Pretty sure it was the opposite. IIRC, it wasn't listed as a "tax" in the bill itself. Then during the SCOTUS hearing Kennedy decided that it was a tax and green lighted it.

[Wrathbringer]

People getting preventive treatment benefits the general welfare.
Insurance encourages them to do that instead of waiting for catastrophic illness.
Insurance promotes the general welfare.

Having less acute costs to worry about encourages people to keep less money in ready reserve, which helps the economy either via spending or investing.
Insurance reduces the frequency of one type of acute cost.
Insurance promotes the general welfare.

Being more likely to get paid gives people more incentive to become a doctor.
Insurance makes it more likely for doctors to get paid.
Insurance promotes the general welfare.

Obeying a law is not slavery.
The purchase of any insurance in no way entails a commitment to any diet, means of transportation, or sleep pattern.
Insurance promotes the general welfare.

You're retarded.

[Rheisia]

Pretty sure they're referring to case law.



A friend of mine was in a band once and his singer was such a douche that my friend said he'd rather pay taxes than go to band practice.



Pretty sure it was the opposite. IIRC, it wasn't listed as a "tax" in the bill itself. Then during the SCOTUS hearing Kennedy decided that it was a tax and green lighted it.

I think it was Roberts. I remember thinking I had read the sentence wrong in an article a friend sent me about it because I didnt think he would vote yes.

[Back]

You're retarded.

https://fthmb.tqn.com/VM_2SLBYlcAjtGAUvw2fSlzi6_0=/768x0/filters:no_upscale()/woman-salting-junk-food-86015360-576e8ec35f9b58587559744f.jpg

[Methais]

https://fthmb.tqn.com/VM_2SLBYlcAjtGAUvw2fSlzi6_0=/768x0/filters:no_upscale()/woman-salting-junk-food-86015360-576e8ec35f9b58587559744f.jpg

https://files.opendiary.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/02024903/crybaby.jpg

[Wrathbringer]

https://files.opendiary.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/02024903/crybaby.jpg

This is correct.

[drauz]

Resist white supremacy

Do you find it hard to resist your white supremacy?

[RichardCranium]

Do you find it hard to resist your white supremacy?

He can't be a white supremacist, I'm pretty sure Back has a black employee.

[Methais]

Do you find it hard to resist your white supremacy?

He finds it hard to resist shameless virtue signaling for the sake of shameless virtue signaling.


He can't be a white supremacist, I'm pretty sure Back has a black employee.

He named him Blacklash.

[RichardCranium]

He finds it hard to resist shameless virtue signaling for the sake of shameless virtue signaling.



He named him Blacklash.

In fascism, a member of virtue signalers has a name. His name is Blacklash.

[Methais]

In fascism, a member of virtue signalers has a name. His name is Blacklash.

Not to be confused with the recent blockbuster hit among hipsters, Back Panther.

[Methais]

Upon further reflection, I think it's best that we ban the word "Back."

The word "back" is simply too close to the word "black" and in conjunction carries the stigma of implying black = back, as in "back of the bus."

He should change his handle to a racial neutral name. To not do so is also to not resist white supremacy.

Are you going to resist white supremacy, Backofthebuslash? Or are you going to keep being an undercover racist? Because your cover has been blown. You might as well just come out and say "I hate back people" at this point.

[Back]

Damn. One salty pic and the PC has a stroke.

[RichardCranium]

Oh yeah, it's Tuesday.

[Methais]

Damn. One salty pic and the PC has a stroke.

I see you’ve yet to resist white supremacy. What’s taking so long?

[Neveragain]

Clean running water, roads, police for our protection, military; so the Russians don't decide to just invade, FDA so the drug companies don't stick knockoff chemicals that'll actually kill us, GPS, transistors for our computers, internet, jet airplanes, cancer research, fuel cells, spacecraft, education for our kids etc. etc.

It's a giant misunderstanding/myth that private companies are the primary drivers of technological advancement. It's actually government sponsored programs in basic sciences which eventually trickles down to commercial/public usage.

https://amedia.britannica.com/300x300/99/96899-004-C23DA93F.jpg http://dyslexiapower.wpengine.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/thomas_edison_1-300x256.jpg

Government stifles creative endeavor.

[Androidpk]

A Middle East specialist with ties to Donald Trump's team attended secret meetings during the presidential transition between the United Arab Emirates and Trump associates, and is now cooperating with special counsel Robert Mueller, two people familiar with the matter say.

George Nader, a low-profile diplomatic go-between who has forged close ties to the Emirates, was stopped and questioned by the FBI at Dulles International Airport in January as he returned from an overseas trip, these sources say. Since then, he has been talking to Mueller's investigators and providing information to the grand jury.

Nader attended a December 2016 meeting in New York between Emirati officials and members of Trump's inner circle, and another in January 2017 in the Seychelles islands between the Emiratis and Erik Prince, a Trump associate. Nader was also in the Seychelles when Prince met with a Russian banker, the sources said.

[Rheisia]

can someone explain the significance of this to me? its sort of a lot of dots that don't quite connect.

[Neveragain]

can someone explain the significance of this to me? its sort of a lot of dots that don't quite connect.

6 degrees of Donald Trump?

That's the best I can do.

[Androidpk]

Erik Prince had a secret meeting with Russian officials with ties to Putin in the Seychelles Islands the day after Obama expelled Russian diplomats. From what I gather he was working with Flynn to make back channel deals between Trump and the Russians, like allowing Russians to build nuclear reactors in Saudi Arabia and possibly the UAE as well. This guy Nader was at those meeting. Price is likely to be indicted.

[Androidpk]

6 degrees of Donald Trump?

That's the best I can do.

Erik Price has had meetings directly with Trump. His sister, Betsy DeVos, is Trump's Secretary of Education. 6 degrees... :lol:

[Rheisia]

meh. this seems like sort of a nothingburger at first glance.

but I did just read that they had a warrant to image his phone. so maybe there's more going on than I'm seeing.

[Androidpk]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/blackwater-founder-held-secret-seychelles-meeting-to-establish-trump-putin-back-channel/2017/04/03/95908a08-1648-11e7-ada0-1489b735b3a3_story.html?utm_term=.9191e426bde9

[cwolff]

It also ties into trump transition making deals while Obama was still present.

Prince is one to watch. He, focus on the family guy and Dominos guy vetted and approved Palin as McCain's running mate. His dad patented the mirror in automobile sun visors and its how he made billions. Prince, the former SEAL, used that money to start up Blackwater. He is also pitching trump on using his services as a contract intelligence outfit.

[Androidpk]

Good write up by Seth Abramson. https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/971181024800583682

[Androidpk]

Mr. Nader was first served with search warrants and a grand jury subpoena on Jan. 17, shortly after landing at Washington Dulles International Airport, according to two people familiar with the episode. He had intended to travel on to Mar-a-Lago, Mr. Trump’s Florida estate, to celebrate the president’s first year in office, but the F.B.I. had other plans, questioning him for more than two hours and seizing his electronics.

Since then, Mr. Nader has been questioned numerous times about meetings in New York during the transition, the Seychelles meeting and meetings in the White House with two of Mr. Trump’s senior advisers, Jared Kushner and Stephen K. Bannon, who has since left the administration.

[Neveragain]

Erik Price has had meetings directly with Trump. His sister, Betsy DeVos, is Trump's Secretary of Education. 6 degrees... :lol:

So?

[Androidpk]

So you're an idiot, making idiotic statements, as usual.

Carry on.

[Neveragain]

Good write up by Seth Abramson. https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/971181024800583682


Seth Abramson, a former public defender and current University of New Hampshire English professor

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[Neveragain]

So you're an idiot, making idiotic statements, as usual.

Carry on.

I think you're just bitter that your man Bernie got busted for actual collusion and now you're relying on a guy that sells books.

[drauz]

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Government stifles creative endeavor.

I don't think Thomas Edison should be your poster child for not stifling creative endeavor.

[Neveragain]

I don't think Thomas Edison should be your poster child for not stifling creative endeavor.

Is it the black assistant thing?

[Seizer]

Is it the black assistant thing?
Likely the Nikola Tesla thing.

[Neveragain]

Likely the Nikola Tessa thing.

Oh yes, true that. Nikola deserves mention for sure.

I wonder if he passed code inspection first?

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[Latrinsorm]

General welfare looks nothing like "you must purchase insurance"While the words look different, I have painstakingly explained how the latter leads to the former.
That's why it is no longer law, you lost.:lol:

You get that the government is still on the hook for the insurance subsidies right? What happens to a market when the government has to pick up the tab for everyone? That's right, the supplier jacks up the prices as high as they want. And the country plunges headlong into ever deeper debt. And maybe the next Democratic government uses it as an excuse / rallying cry for single payer. Great thinking from Republicans, really thought that one through.

[drauz]

Is it the black assistant thing?

Seizer correct about the Tesla thing.

[Neveragain]

While the words look different, I have painstakingly explained how the latter leads to the former.:lol:

You get that the government is still on the hook for the insurance subsidies right? What happens to a market when the government has to pick up the tab for everyone? That's right, the supplier jacks up the prices as high as they want. And the country plunges headlong into ever deeper debt. And maybe the next Democratic government uses it as an excuse / rallying cry for single payer. Great thinking from Republicans, really thought that one through.

I guess that's what happens when you make big plans on an illegal money grab.


What happens to a market when the government has to pick up the tab for everyone?

Rationing.

[Androidpk]

I think you're just bitter that your man Bernie got busted for actual collusion and now you're relying on a guy that sells books.

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[Wrathbringer]

While the words look different, I have painstakingly explained how the latter leads to the former.:lol:

You get that the government is still on the hook for the insurance subsidies right? What happens to a market when the government has to pick up the tab for everyone? That's right, the supplier jacks up the prices as high as they want. And the country plunges headlong into ever deeper debt. And maybe the next Democratic government uses it as an excuse / rallying cry for single payer. Great thinking from Republicans, really thought that one through.

You're retarded.

[Neveragain]

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It's heating up!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0MK7qz13bU

[Methais]

The heating up has reached 6 degrees... :lol:

WOW THIS MUST REALLY BE IT THIS TIME FOR SUPER SERIOUS JUST LIKE THE LAST TIME AND ALL THE OTHER TIMES BEFORE THAT!!!!!!!!!111

[Neveragain]

WOW THIS MUST REALLY BE IT THIS TIME FOR SUPER SERIOUS JUST LIKE THE LAST TIME AND ALL THE OTHER TIMES BEFORE THAT!!!!!!!!!111

It's real this time for serious, a former public defender said so.

[Methais]

It's real this time for serious, a former public defender said so.

Oh. Well in that case so long Trump, it's been fun.

[Neveragain]

Oh. Well in that case so long Trump, it's been fun.

I'm sure act 2 will be just as entertaining.

[Methais]

I'm sure act 2 will be just as entertaining.

The only public defender that matters is this guy:


https://youtu.be/mSw9_bsTzkU

[Latrinsorm]

I guess that's what happens when you make big plans on an illegal money grab. Rationing.Seen a lot of college rationing recently?

[cwolff]

The Associated Press
‏BREAKING: UK police say Russian ex-spy and daughter poisoned with nerve agent.

I'm interested to see if they assassinate any Americans over this investigation.

[Neveragain]

Seen a lot of college rationing recently?

I have seen a distinct decrease in the quality of education the average graduate has over the past 30 years. We have certainly seen a decrease in the quality of our k-12 schools in that time period.

[Parkbandit]

Can someone send me a PM when there is actual evidence of collusion between Trump Administration and Russia?

Because so far.. zilch.

[cwolff]

Sounds like Nunberg sobered up:


Former Trump campaign aide Sam Nunberg says that he believes special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation into Russia's meddling in the 2016 election is "warranted," walking back his previous remarks calling the probe a "witch hunt."

"No, I don't think it's a witch hunt. There's a lot there, and that's a sad truth," Nunberg told ABC News in an interview broadcast Saturday, a day after he answered a subpoena by Mueller's team to testify before a federal grand jury on his time in the campaign.

Nunberg also said after his grand jury testimony that he doesn't believe the investigation "leads to the president," despite his comments this week that he thought Mueller's team had evidence of criminal wrongdoing against the president.

[Wrathbringer]

Sounds like Nunberg sobered up:

Now if only you would.

[Latrinsorm]

I have seen a distinct decrease in the quality of education the average graduate has over the past 30 years. We have certainly seen a decrease in the quality of our k-12 schools in that time period.That's not what rationing is. We set up a system where the government pays for college, and the quantity and cost of college attendance has skyrocketed - obviously, what else would colleges do? By repealing the individual mandate but not the subsidies we have now set up a system where the government pays for insurance - obviously, insurers will now jack up the price of insurance. Why wouldn't they? They won't lose any customers by doing so because the government foots the bill.
Can someone send me a PM when there is actual evidence of collusion between Trump Administration and Russia?

Because so far.. zilch.Did you know there is still no evidence of collusion between President Nixon and the Watergate burglars?

[Methais]

Now if only you would.

Hey man give him a break, this is really really super duper it this time for definite surely yes.

[Neveragain]

That's not what rationing is. We set up a system where the government pays for college, and the quantity and cost of college attendance has skyrocketed.

There is less product (in this case the product is education), higher demand and the price has skyrocketed. Quantity doesn't = quality, it's like eating a steady diet of mud cakes 3x a day and saying there's plenty of food to go around.


obviously, insurers will now jack up the price of insurance. Why wouldn't they? They won't lose any customers by doing so because the government is forcing everyone to buy health insurance.

Why didn't you ask yourself this in the first place?

[Latrinsorm]

There is less product (in this case the product is education), higher demand and the price has skyrocketed. Quantity doesn't = quality, it's like eating a steady diet of mud cakes 3x a day and saying there's plenty of food to go around.This is still wrong. But even if we assume you're right, it strengthens my case. Lower quality healthcare would mean higher consumption of healthcare: if I have to go to a doctor five times to get an ailment treated instead of one, the doctor doesn't charge any less, because the government has to subsidize the care regardless of whether it's any good.
Why didn't you ask yourself this in the first place?Good try. Insurance companies did not have the ability to increase costs indefinitely under the mandate because the government wasn't paying for everyone under the mandate. It is removing only the mandate and not the subsidies that has put the ledger in increasingly dire straits.

Your problem is you see any time the liberals lose as a time you win. There is such a thing as a lose-lose scenario, and that is exactly where we've ended up. But your puppeteers tug the string, and you keep dancing right along. Oh well.

[Neveragain]

Your problem is you see any time the liberals lose as a time you win.

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You keep trying to dodge the fact that none of this happens if the ACA never happens.

[Latrinsorm]

You keep trying to dodge the fact that none of this happens if the ACA never happens.I didn't dodge anything. I have explained very clearly how the ACA was Constitutional, how it accomplished the goal of insuring the poor, and how it will continue to do so in ways that further imperil your goals of reduced government now that the individual mandate has been repealed.

If you're trying to say that the Republican attempts to repeal Obamacare were hapless, incomplete, and otherwise impotent, of course that's correct. Has anyone disputed that? The social liberals have always won, and were always going to win this "debate". Like Judgment Day, it is inevitable.

[cwolff]

Felix Sater = Government Asset?

https://www.buzzfeed.com/anthonycormier/felix-sater-trump-russia-undercover-us-spy?utm_term=.wx37bQM5lX#.xolokYrX6P

[cwolff]

Interesting day today:

- USA won't say shit about Russia using nerve agents in the UK
- GOP House Intel says investigation's over and no collusion; Dems say "Huh? We're planning more interviews"
- Rosenstein comes out defending Mueller:
"The special counsel is not an unguided missile," Rosenstein said in an exclusive interview with USA TODAY. "I don't believe there is any justification at this point for terminating the special counsel."

One thing about a trump presidency is that it's not boring.

Oh; on a side note, Stormy's lawyer says that contrary to rumors there is nothing to the idea that trump got her pregnant and paid for an abortion. He was very explicit about that and mentioned it like five times. LOL

[Parkbandit]

So... still no collusion?

Weird...

It's almost as if Hillary needed to fabricate some excuse for losing an election that should have been easily in the bag.. and that was the only one that stuck. Of course, it required some willfully ignorant people to sit there and believe it.

Enter people like cwolff, Backlash and Androidpk.

Grats?

[Wrathbringer]

Interesting day today:

- USA won't say shit about Russia using nerve agents in the UK
- GOP House Intel says investigation's over and no collusion; Dems say "Huh? We're planning more interviews"
- Rosenstein comes out defending Mueller:

One thing about a trump presidency is that it's not boring.

Oh; on a side note, Stormy's lawyer says that contrary to rumors there is nothing to the idea that trump got her pregnant and paid for an abortion. He was very explicit about that and mentioned it like five times. LOL

You're pretty retarded.

[cwolff]

You're pretty retarded.

Awww....thank you sweetie. You're too cute the way you always want to comment with your little troll stuff. Besos!

[Wrathbringer]

I enjoy taking it in the anus.!

I figured.

[cwolff]

I figured.

You sure have a lot of sexual fantasies involving me. It's flattering but disturbing.

...and in other news:



The Associated Press
‏
BREAKING: Tillerson says ex-spy's poisoning in UK 'clearly came from Russia,' vows it 'will trigger a response.

I don't have a crystal ball but I'd say we do about as much as we did with the sanctions.

[Wrathbringer]

Penis is my favorite.

Again, not news here.

[cwolff]

It's pretty bad when you lose a Florida Republican


@AhmedBaba_
Rep. Tom Rooney just went on @CNN and contradicted the @GOP House Intelligence Committee.
Rooney said Russia did try & help Trump get elected.
Asked why his committee was ending the probe, Rooney said his committee has “gone completely off the rails” & “lost all credibility.”

[TrumpsDick]

Please don't expose me Stormy Daniels!

[Methais]

Interesting day today:

- USA won't say shit about Russia using nerve agents in the UK
- GOP House Intel says investigation's over and no collusion; Dems say "Huh? We're planning more interviews"
- Rosenstein comes out defending Mueller:

One thing about a trump presidency is that it's not boring.

Oh; on a side note, Stormy's lawyer says that contrary to rumors there is nothing to the idea that trump got her pregnant and paid for an abortion. He was very explicit about that and mentioned it like five times. LOL

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Awww....thank you sweetie. You're too cute the way you always want to comment with your little troll stuff. Besos!

https://media.giphy.com/media/Gt4FaBEFngjL2/giphy.gif


You sure have a lot of sexual fantasies involving me. It's flattering but disturbing.

...and in other news:




I don't have a crystal ball but I'd say we do about as much as we did with the sanctions.

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It's pretty bad when you lose a Florida Republican

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[Taernath]

Rep. Schiff's statement:


“Today, the House Majority has announced it is terminating the Russia investigation, leaving to others the important work of determining the full extent of Russian interference in our election, the role of U.S. persons connected to the Trump campaign in that intervention, possible efforts to obstruct the investigation by the President and most important, what needs to be done to protect the country going forward. While the Majority members of our committee have indicated for some time that they have been under great pressure to end the investigation, it is nonetheless another tragic milestone for this Congress, and represents yet another capitulation to the executive branch. By ending its oversight role in the only authorized investigation in the House, the Majority has placed the interests of protecting the President over protecting the country, and history will judge its actions harshly.

“Next week, it will be one year since our investigation began with its first open hearing, and the country learned that the Trump campaign had been the subject of a counterintelligence investigation since July of the election year. Since that time, we have learned a great deal about countless secret meetings, conversations and communications between Trump campaign officials and the Russians, all of which the Trump Administration initially denied, would later misrepresent, and finally be forced to acknowledge. Thirteen Russians have been indicted in a far reaching conspiracy in which the Russians sought to influence our election by helping Donald Trump, hurting the Hillary Clinton campaign and sowing discord in the United States. Most significant, high-ranking Trump campaign and Administration officials have also been indicted, including the President’s national security advisor, his campaign chair and deputy campaign chair, as well as one of his foreign policy advisors, and three of those have already pled guilty.

“During that first open hearing of our investigation, I asked whether we could conduct this investigation in the kind of thorough and nonpartisan manner that the seriousness of the issues merited, or whether the enormous political consequences of our work would make that impossible. At that time, I said that I did not know the answer, but ‘if this committee can do its work properly, if we can pursue the facts wherever they lead, unafraid to compel witnesses to testify, to hear what they have to say, to learn what we will and, after exhaustive work, reach a common conclusion, it would be a tremendous public service and one that is very much in the national interest.’

“Regrettably, that challenge proved too much. The Majority was not willing to pursue the facts wherever they would lead, would prove afraid to compel witnesses like Steve Bannon, Hope Hicks, Jeff Sessions, Donald Trump Jr., Corey Lewandowski and so many others to answer questions relevant to our investigation. It proved unwilling to subpoena documents like phone records, text messages, bank records and other key records so that we might determine the truth about the most significant attack on our democratic institutions in history. Instead, it began a series of counter-investigations, designed to attack the credibility of the FBI, the Departments of Justice and State, and investigate anyone and anything other than what they were charged to do — investigate Russia’s interference in our election and the role the Trump campaign played. Ironically, even while they close down the Russia investigation, they plan to continue trying to put our own government on trial: this is a great service to the President, and a profound disservice to the country.

“Some will say that we should leave the investigation to Special Counsel Mueller anyway, since he has the resources and independence to do the job. But this fundamentally misapprehends the mission of the Special Counsel, which is to determine whether U.S. laws were broken and who should be prosecuted. It is not Mueller’s job to tell the American people what happened, that is our job, and the Majority has walked away from it. Others may be tempted to say a pox on both houses, and suggest that in a dispute between the parties, both must be equally culpable. But after months of urging the Majority to do a credible investigation, the Minority was put in the position of going along with a fundamentally unserious investigative process, or pointing out what should be done, what must be done, to learn the truth. We chose the latter course.

“On a fundamental aspect of our investigation — substantiating the conclusions of the Intelligence Community’s assessment that the Russians interfered in our democracy to advance the Trump campaign, hurt Clinton and sow discord — we should have been able to issue a common report. On those issues, the evidence is clear and overwhelming that the Intelligence Community Assessment was correct. On a whole host of investigative threads, our work is fundamentally incomplete, some issues partially investigated, others, like that involving credible allegations of Russian money laundering, remain barely touched. If the Russians do have leverage over the President of the United States, the Majority has simply decided it would rather not know. On the final aspect of our work — setting out the prescriptions for protecting the country going forward — we will endeavor to continue our work, with or without the active participation of the Majority.

“In the coming weeks and months, new information will continue to be exposed through enterprising journalism, indictments by the Special Counsel, or continued investigative work by Committee Democrats and our counterparts in the Senate. And each time this new information becomes public, Republicans will be held accountable for abandoning a critical investigation of such vital national importance.”

[RichardCranium]

Yikes.

[Parkbandit]

The most feared words that a Dem can hear before the mid-terms:

Mueller: "There was no collusion..."

They've heard it since day 1... but that hasn't stopped them from repeatedly praying for it.

They need a reason for their girl's monumental defeat.. and blaming another entire country for it is helpful to stop up some of the tears.

[Parkbandit]

Rep. Schiff's statement:

Is this the same guy that said releasing the GOP memo would be risking national security?

Yea... he has no credibility.

At all.

[Methais]

Russia Investigation Heating Up

OMG FINALLY THIS IS REALLY REALLY IT FOR SUPER SERIOUS SURE WITH SOY ON TOP THIS TIME TRUMP IS FINALLY GOING DOWN AND...

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[Latrinsorm]

The most feared words that a Dem can hear before the mid-terms: Mueller: "There was no collusion..."I can't speak for my Democratic brothers and sisters, but I expect they would agree the most feared words any of us can hear are:

"We are at war."

[Gelston]

I can't speak for my Democratic brothers and sisters, but I expect they would agree the most feared words any of us can hear are:

"We are at war."

The NDSM is still being issued, so we have been since 2001. Not that any of you actually give a flying fuck.

[Latrinsorm]

The NDSM is still being issued, so we have been since 2001. Not that any of you actually give a flying fuck.The implication is with North Korea. The one time you DON'T read anything into what I say, sheesh.

[drauz]

The implication is with North Korea. The one time you DON'T read anything into what I say, sheesh.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yUafzOXHPE

[RichardCranium]

The implication is with North Korea. The one time you DON'T read anything into what I say, sheesh.

Do you know how a war with North Korea would go?

North Korea just arrived.

North Korea does some shit.

Japan face fucks North Korea off the map.

*North Korea just bit the dust

[cwolff]

If it were that simple we'd have done it already.

[Gelston]

If it were that simple we'd have done it already.

No, because we need them to do something fucked up enough to where China will wash their hands of them. They haven't done that.

[cwolff]

No, because we need them to do something fucked up enough to where China will wash their hands of them. They haven't done that.

That's what I'm saying. China is one consideration among many complicated considerations

[Gelston]

That's what I'm saying. China is one consideration among many complicated considerations

China is the only consideration. They are the only reason North Korea exists.

[~Rocktar~]

https://media.giphy.com/media/Gt4FaBEFngjL2/giphy.gif

What the hell is going on in this gif? I don't watch soccer (or any other sport on TV for that matter) so maybe some context here?

[drauz]

What the hell is going on in this gif? I don't watch soccer (or any other sport on TV for that matter) so maybe some context here?

https://uproxx.com/sports/soccer-magic-spray-butt/

[cwolff]

As trump hastens the decline of U.S. power we now have to worry about retaliation. I'm not talking sanctions, tariffs or a stern talking to by the U.N. but actual military incursion into our territory. Chinas quickly becoming a force militarily and with the money they're spending plus their manpower we could be facing real defeat and humiliation in the not so distant future. God knows we're shitting on our friends to favor our enemy. At the end we should expect to be a version of a trump business. Bankrupt and begging Russians to bail us out

[~Rocktar~]

https://uproxx.com/sports/soccer-magic-spray-butt/

Thank you.


Pretty sure that's you after a night's romp with your boyfriend.

Not gay, sorry to burst your bubble, I know you are jealous.

[Taernath]

As trump hastens the decline of U.S. power we now have to worry about retaliation. I'm not talking sanctions, tariffs or a stern talking to by the U.N. but actual military incursion into our territory. Chinas quickly becoming a force militarily and with the money they're spending plus their manpower we could be facing real defeat and humiliation in the not so distant future. God knows we're shitting on our friends to favor our enemy. At the end we should expect to be a version of a trump business. Bankrupt and begging Russians to bail us out

China has like no force projection beyond their sphere of influence. Same with Russia.

[cwolff]

China has like no force projection beyond their sphere of influence. Same with Russia.

Today, sure. Tomorrow, who knows. The threat should not be taken lightly. They just fabricated islands to make military bases and challenge us in the S. China Sea. You can see how they're leaning on the Phillipines and getting concessions.

[Taernath]

Today, sure. Tomorrow, who knows. The threat should not be taken lightly. They just fabricated islands to make military bases and challenge us in the S. China Sea. You can see how they're leaning on the Phillipines and getting concessions.

If anything happens, it's not going to happen anytime soon. China's economy would tank if they went to war with us, anyway.

[cwolff]

This is how these things happen. Like that quote you see from time to time. "Slowly at first then all at once"

[Latrinsorm]

Do you know how a war with North Korea would go?

North Korea just arrived.

North Korea does some shit.

Japan face fucks North Korea off the map.

*North Korea just bit the dustI do not doubt that a war started by North Korea would go that way. I stand by my first post.
In terms of NK, I'm almost 99% certain we're going to war. Tillerson was the last annoying conscience on Trump's shoulder always chiding him; I'm starting to warm up to the fact that Mattis will oblige almost every request including the deaths of millions. I think the NK affair (and possible thermonuclear apocalypse) is Trump's last ace in the hole if and when Mueller get's too close. I just can't see anyone being so vain and hellbent on saving his own skin to risk vaporizing millions of other human beings.Nah, Mattis didn't even go along with the transgender ban. If nothing else he clearly has a personal investment in the well being of our soldiers, and he's not clueless enough to think we'd enjoy 0% losses in any war.

[Gompers]

https://i.imgur.com/1xj94kp.png

[Androidpk]

The special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, has subpoenaed the Trump Organization to turn over documents, including some related to Russia, according to two people briefed on the matter. The order is the first known time that the special counsel demanded documents directly related to President Trump’s businesses, bringing the investigation closer to the president.


The breadth of the subpoena was not clear, nor was it clear why Mr. Mueller issued it instead of simply asking for the documents from the company, an umbrella organization that oversees Mr. Trump’s business ventures. In the subpoena, delivered in recent weeks, Mr. Mueller ordered the Trump Organization to hand over all documents related to Russia and other topics he is investigating, the people said.


The subpoena is the latest indication that the investigation, which Mr. Trump’s lawyers once regularly assured him would be completed by now, will drag on for at least several more months. Word of the subpoena comes as Mr. Mueller appears to be broadening his investigation to examine the role foreign money may have played in funding Mr. Trump’s political activities. In recent weeks, Mr. Mueller’s investigators have questioned witnesses, including an adviser to the United Arab Emirates, about the flow of Emirati money into the United States.

[Methais]

THIS IS REALLY IT THIS TIME OMG OMG OMG OMG!!!!!!!3

[cwolff]

The special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, has subpoenaed the Trump Organization to turn over documents, including some related to Russia, according to two people briefed on the matter. The order is the first known time that the special counsel demanded documents directly related to President Trump’s businesses, bringing the investigation closer to the president.


The breadth of the subpoena was not clear, nor was it clear why Mr. Mueller issued it instead of simply asking for the documents from the company, an umbrella organization that oversees Mr. Trump’s business ventures. In the subpoena, delivered in recent weeks, Mr. Mueller ordered the Trump Organization to hand over all documents related to Russia and other topics he is investigating, the people said.


The subpoena is the latest indication that the investigation, which Mr. Trump’s lawyers once regularly assured him would be completed by now, will drag on for at least several more months. Word of the subpoena comes as Mr. Mueller appears to be broadening his investigation to examine the role foreign money may have played in funding Mr. Trump’s political activities. In recent weeks, Mr. Mueller’s investigators have questioned witnesses, including an adviser to the United Arab Emirates, about the flow of Emirati money into the United States.

Do you think Mueller's going to get fired for crossing this "red line". I bet he does, and I bet the GOP doesn't do shit about it. I hope I'm wrong, but we'll see.

[Androidpk]

Do you think Mueller's going to get fired for crossing this "red line". I bet he does, and I bet the GOP doesn't do shit about it. I hope I'm wrong, but we'll see.

1. Get ready for another round of indictments either on Friday or next week.

2. Even IF Mueller were fired the grand jury would go on without him plus state AGs would swoop in for state level offenses, mainly the NY AG.

[Wrathbringer]

THIS IS IT THIS TIME GUYS!!!!!!!!!!11111111 FOR REAL!!!!

[Methais]

THIS IS IT THIS TIME GUYS!!!!!!!!!!11111111 FOR REAL!!!!

153 pages later...

https://infinitepathways.files.wordpress.com/2015/12/dead-fire.jpg

[cwolff]

1. Get ready for another round of indictments either on Friday or next week.

2. Even IF Mueller were fired the grand jury would go on without him plus state AGs would swoop in for state level offenses, mainly the NY AG.

The AG side of this has been very quiet. I remember reports when the investigation started about coordination between Mueller and SDNY, but haven't heard much about it since then. NYT and others are reporting on a whole slew of WH firings in the works right now. If he does clean house and brings in his hand picked "yes" men then I don't see anything stopping him from firing Mueller.

[Androidpk]

The only person that can disband the grand jury is the judge that started it.

[Parkbandit]

153 pages later...

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IT'S STARTING TO HEAT UP NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!

If you look at the bottom of the fire, there is some red embers that are really heating up now. THIS IS IT GUYS!!!!!!!!

[Methais]

IT'S STARTING TO HEAT UP NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!

If you look at the bottom of the fire, there is some red embers that are really heating up now. THIS IS IT GUYS!!!!!!!!

That's just the sunlight reflecting off the remnants of time4fun's sharts from the first page.

[Neveragain]

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[Methais]

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[Parkbandit]

That's just the sunlight reflecting off the remnants of time4fun's sharts from the first page.

You sure? From here it looks like a gross combination of cwolff's and Androidpk's. How can you tell the difference?

[RichardCranium]

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What movie is this?

[Androidpk]

What movie is this?

You don't recognize Jason?

[Androidpk]

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McCaffrey is a retired 4 star Army general.


If you don't know who he is, McCaffrey served as a senior White House appointee for five years. When he retired from the Army in 1996, he was the most decorated general officer serving at the time, with two Distinguished Service Crosses, two Silver Stars and three Purple Hearts.

[cwolff]

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McCaffrey is a retired 4 star Army general.

Obviously he's just a stupid libtard. FAKE NEWS!

[RichardCranium]

You don't recognize Jason?

I guess I should have asked which one.

[Methais]

You sure? From here it looks like a gross combination of cwolff's and Androidpk's. How can you tell the difference?

They all come from the same anus so it probably doesn't matter.


What movie is this?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fplk4zHOpBQ


Obviously he's just a stupid libtard. FAKE NEWS!

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Felix Sater, a Russian-born businessman and associate of President Donald Trump, confirmed Friday that the Trump Organization was pursuing a deal with a sanctioned Russian bank at the height of the 2016 election.

The company was trying to secure financing for a Trump Tower in Moscow from Russia's VTB Bank through a local developer.
The US imposed sanctions on VTB in 2014 and 2015, which froze its assets in the country and blocked US entities from doing business with the bank.

Weeks later, the two men exchanged a series of emails gearing up to celebrate the Trump Tower Moscow deal. In the emails, obtained by The Times, Sater bragged about his relationship with Russian President Vladimir Putin and told Cohen he would "get all of Putins team to buy in" on the deal.

"Our boy can become president of the USA and we can engineer it," Sater wrote, according to The Times.

Sater added: "I will get Putin on this program and we will get Donald elected."

http://www.businessinsider.com/felix-sater-confirms-trump-pursued-deal-with-sanctioned-russian-bank-2018-3

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[cwolff]

If Russia continues its cyber aggression, “you’ll see the president continue to take bold and swift action to make sure the United States won’t sit idly by," Spicer argued on "America's Newsroom."

“It certainly is one of the toughest things he’s done since he became president towards Russia, but picking up on what Sean Spicer just said, I’d push back and say it's neither bold nor swift," Wallace said after watching a clip of the former Trump spokesman's comments.

"The fact is that these were sanctions that were passed overwhelmingly, I think the vote was 98-2 in the Senate, last July and there was a lot of complaints from the Republicans as well as Democrats, 'Why hadn’t the President actually imposed these sanctions that have been authorized by Congress?'"

"He invoked some of them yesterday, but there are major sanctions that were still in his arsenal that were still approved by Congress to go after the defense industry and other industries in Russia that the president did not impose yesterday," the "Fox News Sunday" host continued. "So this was a middle step, stronger than what he’s done, but not nearly as far as he could have gone."

Trump's really dragging his feet on Russia. Mostly I think trump is an incompetent bungler with a well honed knack for baffling with bullshit. He's a great pitchman no doubt but I've not given him credit for being actively involved in a major criminal conspiracy. I'm beginning to re-think that. He's aggressively protective of Putin and even some right wingers are beginning to recognize.

[Wrathbringer]

Trump's really dragging his feet on Russia. Mostly I think trump is an incompetent bungler with a well honed knack for baffling with bullshit. He's a great pitchman no doubt but I've not given him credit for being actively involved in a major criminal conspiracy. I'm beginning to re-think that. He's aggressively protective of Putin and even some right wingers are beginning to recognize.

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[cwolff]

President Donald Trump’s personal lawyer, John Dowd, told The Daily Beast on Saturday morning that he hopes Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein will shut down the Mueller probe.
Reached for comment by email about the firing of former Deputy FBI Director Andrew McCabe, sent The Daily Beast the text of Trump’s most recent tweet on the subject, which applauded the firing. Then he wrote that Rosenstein should follow Sessions' lead

“I pray that Acting Attorney General Rosenstein will follow the brilliant and courageous example of the FBI Office of Professional Responsibility and Attorney General Jeff Sessions and bring an end to alleged Russia Collusion investigation manufactured by McCabe’s boss James Comey based upon a fraudulent and corrupt Dossier,” Dowd then wrote.

Subtle. Get McCabe one day, warn Rosenstein the next.


Marcus H. Johnson
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The crazy thing is if Comey and McCabe didn't release the unprecedented letter against Clinton, they probably still have their jobs and pensions. Trump always burns you, no matter what.

[Neveragain]

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[cwolff]

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Judging by that guys bad technique I'm going to assume that you're not saying things are getting hotter.

[Neveragain]

Judging by that guys bad technique I'm going to assume that you're not saying things are getting hotter.

We should start planning a birthday party for this thread.

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[cwolff]

8923

Good reminder that trumps been calling for McCabes ouster for a while

[cwolff]

We should start planning a birthday party for this thread.

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Yes we should. There's so much to celebrate in July too. Not only is it the anniversary of Don Jr making all kinds of inconsistent comments about his meeting with the Russian agents about Hillary dirt, but also an anniversary of trump Sr. having a second meeting with Putin at the G20 with no American interpreter present. We're also seeing speculation that Don Jr and trump crew met a second time with the Russian agents in 2016 and this July is the two year anniversary of that. Our birthday party theme could be, "Collusion Fusion" or something like that. It'll be a hoot!

[Methais]

Yes we should. There's so much to celebrate in July too. Not only is it the anniversary of Don Jr making all kinds of inconsistent comments about his meeting with the Russian agents about Hillary dirt, but also an anniversary of trump Sr. having a second meeting with Putin at the G20 with no American interpreter present. We're also seeing speculation that Don Jr and trump crew met a second time with the Russian agents in 2016 and this July is the two year anniversary of that. Our birthday party theme could be, "Collusion Fusion" or something like that. It'll be a hoot!

You're a gay butthurt gaylord.

[Wrathbringer]

You're a gay butthurt gaylord.

yeah what a raging homo

Also:

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[rolfard]

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[Methais]

I loved last night Methais!

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What you and cwolff do behind closed doors is your business, but nobody here wants to hear about it.

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[cwolff]

http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/fbi/378937-mccabe-wrote-memos-detailing-his-interactions-with-trump-report

I think we already know what's in these memos. Lots of low level badgering. Loyalty pledge type bullshit. None of this is a magic bullet to take down trump but they sure do add up. If dems have weak mid-term none of it will matter of course. Republicans have no stomach for moral courage now a days.

[Androidpk]

Special counsel Robert Mueller has interviewed fired former FBI deputy director Andrew McCabe, sources familiar with the investigation told CBS News. McCabe was asked by the firing of James Comey as well as his own conversations with President Trump, CBS News' Paula Reid reports.

McCabe kept memos of his conversations with Mr. Trump and what happened during Comey's firing and Mueller is in the possession of the memos.

The documents, Reid reports, provide important corroboration of Comey's accounts for an obstruction of justice investigation.

[cwolff]

The Mueller probe should never have been started in that there was no collusion and there was no crime. It was based on fraudulent activities and a Fake Dossier paid for by Crooked Hillary and the DNC, and improperly used in FISA COURT for surveillance of my campaign. WITCH HUNT!

Here we go. Trumps working up his courage to pull the trigger.

[Neveragain]

Newly released .pdf of the McCabe memo.

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/joke-battles/images/8/85/BFM_Poo_Poo.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20151223230828

[cwolff]

Newly released .pdf of the McCabe memo.

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/joke-battles/images/8/85/BFM_Poo_Poo.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20151223230828

And you question why I have called you a trumpanzee.

[cwolff]

Good theory. Give trump rope and let him hang himself. He is 70 some years old with a track record of imploding.

[Neveragain]

And you question why I have called you a trumpanzee.

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[ClydeR]

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It's not the first witch hunt in D.C.

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[Androidpk]

Special counsel Robert Mueller has presented President Trump's legal team with a list of questions as investigators seek an interview with the president.

The New York Times reported Saturday that the questions were a sort of starting point for Mueller, whose team is working to negotiate an interview with Trump as part of the investigation into Russia's role in the 2016 election.

It was after his legal team received the questions that Trump launched into a series of tweets, in which he denied that his campaign coordinated with Moscow during the 2016 election and lambasted Mueller's investigation as unnecessary.

In one Saturday night tweet, Trump asserted that Mueller's investigation should never have been opened in the first place, because there was "no collusion" and "no crime."

[Androidpk]

So now we know why he's been ranting like a scared little bitch.

[cwolff]

Listen: Trump's *actual* "red line" for Mueller is a subpoena.

Trump will refuse to speak to Mueller and force him to issue a subpoena.

A subpoena is a perjury trap for Trump, so at that point Trump will have to fire Mueller.

In other words, things are coming to a head soon.

This is from Seth Abramson on his Twitter feed. Hes probably right about this too. It explains why Mueller is putting aspects of the investigation on a back shelf while continuing with other leads.

[Androidpk]

This is from Seth Abramson on his Twitter feed. Hes probably right about this too. It explains why Mueller is putting aspects of the investigation on a back shelf while continuing with other leads.

Season 1 is coming to a close. Get ready for some major Mueller bombs.

[Wrathbringer]

Season 1 is coming to a close. Get ready for some major Mueller bombs.

OMGOMGOMG THIS IS IT GUYS!!!!11 FOR REALLY SERIOUS THIS TIME!!!11