Russia Investigation Heating Up

[Methais]

Why are you quoting an article from 2018 that is referencing the state of a pre-Mueller investigation in 2017 to draw conclusions about what March 2019 Mueller knows?

Also, it seems clear that you haven't been paying much attention to the news. There's enough publicly available information at this point to demonstrate clear collusion.

During the campaign, Trump was pursuing a Trump Tower Moscow deal that stood to make him $300 million- the project included a $50m Penthouse bribe that was being given to Vladimir Putin.

While that was going on, Russia was working actively to help Trump win the campaign through various means.

Meanwhile, Trump was actively lying about the existence of the Moscow project while simultaneously praising Putin and trying to convince the American people that Russia was not actively interfering with the election (going as far as to denounce our Intelligence community)- despite having first-hand knowledge **from the Russian government** that they were doing just that.

We also know that while the Trump Tower Moscow deal was being negotiated with the Russian government, the highest levels of the Trump campaign were meeting with representatives of the Russian government offering dirt on their opponent in the form of illegally hacked emails (which they also lied about) and were in touch- via an intermediary- with Wikileaks to track the release of the hacked emails- a HUGE trove of which was released within hours of the Access Hollywood tape. Trump also lied about that.

Finally, the first thing Trump did when he got into office was to try to roll back Russian sanctions- which, by the way- impacted his Trump Tower Moscow project- which would have given Putin his primary foreign policy goal. This is in addition to Trump's attacks on NATO as a candidate, and the work his campaign- inexplicably- did to water down pro-Uktraining language in the GOP Platform during the convention- reportedly one of the only policy pieces his campaign got involved in. These were Putin's other top foreign policy objectives.

If you want to continue to argue that there is no clear evidence of collusion, feel free. But you're going to need to provide an alternative explanation for everything above.

TR;DR


I changed my mind that time4fun's nonsense is a nice change of pace of just Androidpk humiliating himself with every post.

At least Androidpk changes it up from time to time. He'll contradict himself in a span of a couple of posts, he'll engage in "NOU!", he'll pull a cwolff and just quote random dumb things people say on Twitter as if it means anything, he'll act smart and end up making himself look like an idiot, he'll rage.

time4fun just has one mode: "I am so incredibly smart and if you disagree with me then you are so incredibly dumb, because how can you disagree with me when I'm so incredibly smart?"

It gets boring after like 3 posts.

This is correct.

[Methais]

LMAO

Translation- you *know* full well what the Trump campaign did. You *know* full well what the facts are telling you.

But, you never were one to let facts dissuade you from your ridiculous opinions.

You're pathetic.

gg proving his point 732094283420x over.

Retard. Go wash your butthole for the first time ever, even though you've never taken a dump in your life.

[Methais]

Oh honey that's hilarious. Do you have any idea how many times I have been fact checked back to the uppity pretentious cunt table, in which case I either dropped out of the conversation completely and pretended I was never in it, or made up some lame ass excuse like I was just being sarcastic despite there not being a hint of sarcasm in those posts? Well do you?

Yes. The number is 994703240237042.

You're welcome.

Also, -1 for you for lack of ROFL before your "Oh honey."

[Methais]

Let me show you how stupid I am. Just keep reading.

Do you know what Trump Derangement Syndrome is? Despite the mountains of evidence that Trump is nothing more than an amoral, lying, corrupt scumbag who VERY clearly cooperated with Russia to throw the election in his favor- you have bought his garbage hook, line, and sinker every time. Over 6000 lies in about 2 years.

You let that man convince you to sell out your own country to Vladimir Putin. You let him turn you against your own Intelligence community, your own free press, your own elections, and your own Judiciary. You let him convince you that it was 100% okay for a President to just fire any independent investigators looking into their behavior- that they should be allowed to decide their own innocence. You let him convince you that it's fine to intimidate witnesses, to abuse campaign finance laws, and to direct your underlings to lie to Congress and the American people about it.

You let him convince you that it's okay to use our Criminal Justice system to attack political opponents and to treat people differently based on their political party affiliation. You let him convince you that there's no problem with abusing the levers of power to try to strong-arm private companies into artificially inflating the amount of positive coverage of said President that US citizens see. You let him convince you that it's okay to put kids in cages.

And why? Because he promised you a wall- the ultimate symbol of your pathetic, adolescent, and ultimately impotent rage.

And now- after years of sneering and foaming at the mouth every time people with an actual sense of patriotism tried to warn you about what was going on- when faced with the overwhelming evidence of corrupt collusion between a Presidential candidate and our greatest geopolitical enemy...you're sticking your fingers in your ears while flailing madly at anyone who would dare try to make you face the truth.

I. Am. Stupid.

As fucko.

Ah yes, that was a fantastic demonstration. Couldn't have been more accurate.

[Methais]

Bless your shart.

Fixed.


Now send your Cocker Spaniel peg target back in here and post some more of his special nonsense. You know he can handle the punishment..

:lol:

Also fixed.

[Stumplicker]

when faced with the overwhelming evidence of corrupt collusion between a Presidential candidate and our greatest geopolitical enemy...

Gee willikers. Overwhelming evidence? Gosh they must have already thrown this guy in jail! Overwhelming evidence would've been a slam dunk trial years ago! Which was the smoking gun that put him in jail? Is President Clinton thinking about pardoning him?

Unless, and I'm spitballing here, you might be overstating the mountain of evidence and slam dunkingness of that evidence ever so slightly based on your own inability to understand basic logic. You must know better than all the lawyers and law enforcement officials though.

Here's an exercise in rhetoric for you. Which Trump administration policies specifically do you feel were dictated by Russia? There's very clearly a Russian agent at the helm, right?

[time4fun]

Gee willikers. Overwhelming evidence? Gosh they must have already thrown this guy in jail! Overwhelming evidence would've been a slam dunk trial years ago! Which was the smoking gun that put him in jail? Is President Clinton thinking about pardoning him?

Unless, and I'm spitballing here, you might be overstating the mountain of evidence and slam dunkingness of that evidence ever so slightly based on your own inability to understand basic logic. You must know better than all the lawyers and law enforcement officials though.

Here's an exercise in rhetoric for you. Which Trump administration policies specifically do you feel were dictated by Russia? There's very clearly a Russian agent at the helm, right?

So- who exactly would throw Trump in jail? Congress? Wait they can't do that. The Judiciary? Oh wait, they can't do that either without an indictment. The Executive? Oh- the President is in charge of the Executive branch. (Hence why Impeachment was created) And the investigations are ongoing. There are a million reasons why Trump isn't in jail right now that have nothing to do with the preponderance of evidence out there.

I am happy to play along in your thought exercise, as long as you're willing to play along in mine.

Yours:

There are several foreign policy goals that Russia has:
1) The Easing of US Sanctions
2) The destruction- or debilitation- of NATO
3) A poorly armed Ukraine
4) The withdrawal of Western forces in Syria
5) Cover for their election interference

Trump has worked to achieve each of these goals.
1) He immediately tried to roll back (https://www.npr.org/2017/06/02/531269090/trump-administration-made-secret-efforts-to-ease-russia-sanctions) Sanctions levied against Russia for election meddling when he got into office. There is absolutely no explanation for why this was done nor why it was done in secret. This is the reason why Congress overwhelmingly passed the Russian sanctions bill. Since then, the administration has started rolling back sanctions (https://www.washingtonpost.com/?utm_term=.0a4044639c6b)in other ways while fighting off new sanctions as best he can.

2) Trump has repeatedly attacked NATO- to the point where he was privately discussing destroying the NATO alliance (https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/01/trump-privately-discussed-destroying-nato-alliance). The NATO alliance was established to directly support the West against Russia- it overwhelmingly benefits the US and its destruction hurts our allies and only benefits Russia.

3) During the RNC Convention- the Trump campaign had a curious lack of interest in anything policy-related- save for one exception: watering down the language about arming the Ukraine. It's the one thing his campaign fought for, and according to an RNC delegate- Trump directed his staff to get that language watered down (https://www.npr.org/2017/12/04/568310790/2016-rnc-delegate-trump-directed-change-to-party-platform-on-ukraine-support). The ONLY person who benefited from that policy change was Vladimir Putin.

4) Trump's announcement that he would withdraw from Syria- despite objections from all of his staff (prompting Mattis to resign, by the way) and our allies benefited Russia immensely and damaged relations between the US and critical allies while allowing Russia to dominate the region.

5) Trump has repeatedly denied that Russia meddled in our elections (https://www.politico.com/story/2018/07/13/trump-statements-russia-meddling-719281)- both during the campaign and while in office. He famously took Vladimir Putin's word that Russia didn't meddle over the word of our own Intelligence community. In doing so, he convinced A LOT of Americans that there was no interference, and that Russia had nothing to do with it. He not only gave Russia a pass, but he tried to roll back sanctions levied for the meddling (see above), AND he basically gave Putin an invitation to keep doing it. This was clearly to the detriment of the US and only benefited Putin. Keep in mind- Trump knew full well that Russia was interfering in the election to help him (https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2017/07/politics/donald-trump-jr-full-emails/)- he was told this by a cut out for the Russian government.


Now, my turn:

Trump was lying about a $300m Moscow real estate deal (https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/10/us/politics/transcript-second-debate.html)that was going on during the campaign, and that deal included a $50m bribe to Putin personally (https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/anthonycormier/the-trump-organization-planned-to-give-vladimir-putin-the?bfsource=relatedmanual) while Russia was actively working to get Trump elected (which Trump was trying to hide from the American people), and Trump was actively working to give Putin all of his major foreign policy objectives.

Please explain to the class how all of these things are totally unrelated to each other, and how this doesn't look exactly like what collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia would look like


I'll wait.

[Wrathbringer]

gg proving his point 732094283420x over.

Retard. Go wash your butthole for the first time ever, even though you've never taken a dump in your life.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

[Wrathbringer]

So- who exactly would throw Trump in jail? Congress? Wait they can't do that. The Judiciary? Oh wait, they can't do that either without an indictment. The Executive? Oh- the President is in charge of the Executive branch. (Hence why Impeachment was created) And the investigations are ongoing. There are a million reasons why Trump isn't in jail right now that have nothing to do with the preponderance of evidence out there.

I am happy to play along in your thought exercise, as long as you're willing to play along in mine.

Yours:

There are several foreign policy goals that Russia has:
1) The Easing of US Sanctions
2) The destruction- or debilitation- of NATO
3) A poorly armed Ukraine
4) The withdrawal of Western forces in Syria
5) Cover for their election interference

Trump has worked to achieve each of these goals.
1) He immediately tried to roll back (https://www.npr.org/2017/06/02/531269090/trump-administration-made-secret-efforts-to-ease-russia-sanctions) Sanctions levied against Russia for election meddling when he got into office. There is absolutely no explanation for why this was done nor why it was done in secret. This is the reason why Congress overwhelmingly passed the Russian sanctions bill. Since then, the administration has started rolling back sanctions (https://www.washingtonpost.com/?utm_term=.0a4044639c6b)in other ways while fighting off new sanctions as best he can.

2) Trump has repeatedly attacked NATO- to the point where he was privately discussing destroying the NATO alliance (https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/01/trump-privately-discussed-destroying-nato-alliance). The NATO alliance was established to directly support the West against Russia- it overwhelmingly benefits the US and its destruction hurts our allies and only benefits Russia.

3) During the RNC Convention- the Trump campaign had a curious lack of interest in anything policy-related- save for one exception: watering down the language about arming the Ukraine. It's the one thing his campaign fought for, and according to an RNC delegate- Trump directed his staff to get that language watered down (https://www.npr.org/2017/12/04/568310790/2016-rnc-delegate-trump-directed-change-to-party-platform-on-ukraine-support). The ONLY person who benefited from that policy change was Vladimir Putin.

4) Trump's announcement that he would withdraw from Syria- despite objections from all of his staff (prompting Mattis to resign, by the way) and our allies benefited Russia immensely and damaged relations between the US and critical allies while allowing Russia to dominate the region.

5) Trump has repeatedly denied that Russia meddled in our elections (https://www.politico.com/story/2018/07/13/trump-statements-russia-meddling-719281)- both during the campaign and while in office. He famously took Vladimir Putin's word that Russia didn't meddle over the word of our own Intelligence community. In doing so, he convinced A LOT of Americans that there was no interference, and that Russia had nothing to do with it. He not only gave Russia a pass, but he tried to roll back sanctions levied for the meddling (see above), AND he basically gave Putin an invitation to keep doing it. This was clearly to the detriment of the US and only benefited Putin.


Now, my turn:

Trump was lying about a $300m Moscow real estate deal (https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/10/us/politics/transcript-second-debate.html)that was going on during the campaign, and that deal included a $50m bribe to Putin personally (https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/anthonycormier/the-trump-organization-planned-to-give-vladimir-putin-the?bfsource=relatedmanual) while Russia was actively working to get Trump elected (which Trump was trying to hide from the American people), and Trump was actively working to give Putin all of his major foreign policy objectives.

Please explain to the class how all of these things are totally unrelated to each other, and how this doesn't look exactly like what collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia would look like


I'll wait.

TR;DR

Also:

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[Stumplicker]

So- who exactly would throw Trump in jail? Congress? Wait they can't do that. The Judiciary? Oh wait, they can't do that either without an indictment. The Executive? Oh- the President is in charge of the Executive branch. (Hence why Impeachment was created) And the investigations are ongoing. There are a million reasons why Trump isn't in jail right now that have nothing to do with the preponderance of evidence out there.

I am happy to play along in your thought exercise, as long as you're willing to play along in mine.

Yours:

There are several foreign policy goals that Russia has:
1) The Easing of US Sanctions
2) The destruction- or debilitation- of NATO
3) A poorly armed Ukraine
4) The withdrawal of Western forces in Syria
5) Cover for their election interference

Trump has worked to achieve each of these goals.
1) He immediately tried to roll back (https://www.npr.org/2017/06/02/531269090/trump-administration-made-secret-efforts-to-ease-russia-sanctions) Sanctions levied against Russia for election meddling when he got into office. There is absolutely no explanation for why this was done nor why it was done in secret. This is the reason why Congress overwhelmingly passed the Russian sanctions bill. Since then, the administration has started rolling back sanctions (https://www.washingtonpost.com/?utm_term=.0a4044639c6b)in other ways while fighting off new sanctions as best he can.

2) Trump has repeatedly attacked NATO- to the point where he was privately discussing destroying the NATO alliance (https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/01/trump-privately-discussed-destroying-nato-alliance). The NATO alliance was established to directly support the West against Russia- it overwhelmingly benefits the US and its destruction hurts our allies and only benefits Russia.

3) During the RNC Convention- the Trump campaign had a curious lack of interest in anything policy-related- save for one exception: watering down the language about arming the Ukraine. It's the one thing his campaign fought for, and according to an RNC delegate- Trump directed his staff to get that language watered down (https://www.npr.org/2017/12/04/568310790/2016-rnc-delegate-trump-directed-change-to-party-platform-on-ukraine-support). The ONLY person who benefited from that policy change was Vladimir Putin.

4) Trump's announcement that he would withdraw from Syria- despite objections from all of his staff (prompting Mattis to resign, by the way) and our allies benefited Russia immensely and damaged relations between the US and critical allies while allowing Russia to dominate the region.

5) Trump has repeatedly denied that Russia meddled in our elections (https://www.politico.com/story/2018/07/13/trump-statements-russia-meddling-719281)- both during the campaign and while in office. He famously took Vladimir Putin's word that Russia didn't meddle over the word of our own Intelligence community. In doing so, he convinced A LOT of Americans that there was no interference, and that Russia had nothing to do with it. He not only gave Russia a pass, but he tried to roll back sanctions levied for the meddling (see above), AND he basically gave Putin an invitation to keep doing it. This was clearly to the detriment of the US and only benefited Putin. Keep in mind- Trump knew full well that Russia was interfering in the election to help him (https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2017/07/politics/donald-trump-jr-full-emails/)- he was told this by a cut out for the Russian government.


Now, my turn:

Trump was lying about a $300m Moscow real estate deal (https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/10/us/politics/transcript-second-debate.html)that was going on during the campaign, and that deal included a $50m bribe to Putin personally (https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/anthonycormier/the-trump-organization-planned-to-give-vladimir-putin-the?bfsource=relatedmanual) while Russia was actively working to get Trump elected (which Trump was trying to hide from the American people), and Trump was actively working to give Putin all of his major foreign policy objectives.

Please explain to the class how all of these things are totally unrelated to each other, and how this doesn't look exactly like what collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia would look like


I'll wait.

No. Try again. Respond to the question I asked or shut the fuck up. You're not fooling anyone.


So- who exactly would throw Trump in jail?

A strong case could be made for the very qualified people who have been investigating for the past two years. If there's such a smoking gun, like you claimed when you said THIS:


when faced with the overwhelming evidence of corrupt collusion between a Presidential candidate and our greatest geopolitical enemy...

It should be a no brainer. Super easy, right? He's already in jail? OVERWHELMING! Or are you talking out of your ass again? No. Stop. That was rhetorical.

[Methais]

TR;DR

This is correct.


Also:

9279

This is correct.


And:

9280

This is correct.


:lol: :lol: :lol:

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[time4fun]

No. Try again. Respond to the question I asked or shut the fuck up. You're not fooling anyone.



A strong case could be made for the people who have been investigating for the past two years. If there's such a smoking gun, like you claimed when you said THIS:



It should be a no brainer. Super easy, right? He's already in jail? OVERWHELMING!

I absolutely answered your question:

Which Trump administration policies specifically do you feel were dictated by Russia? There's very clearly a Russian agent at the helm, right?


I gave you 5 different examples of Trump pushing for things that were actively on Putin's top 5 list of priorities that also happened to damage the US. You should try engaging with the information- that's what a political discussion is for.

And you have completely disregarded the two core questions in my post:

1) WHO would put Trump in jail? The people investigating him are bound by DoJ guidelines which state that a sitting US President cannot be prosecuted for violations in Federal criminal law. They *cannot* put him in jail. But they *can* issue sealed indictments. And they may very well have. But ultimately, no one would even try to put the top guy in the investigation in jail until the investigation is finished and the full case is prepared. Your "he would be in jail if there were a lot of evidence against him" point is not only factually incorrect, it's just hollow.

2) You still have not provided a single alternative explanation for this:


Trump was lying about a $300m Moscow real estate deal that was going on during the campaign, and that deal included a $50m bribe to Putin personally while Russia was actively working to get Trump elected (which Trump was trying to hide from the American people), and Trump was actively working to give Putin all of his major foreign policy objectives.

Please explain to the class how all of these things are totally unrelated to each other, and how this doesn't look exactly like what collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia would look like


In fact, none of you have. The sheer lengths you are going to in order to avoid having to actually answer a VERY simple question are astounding, albeit not surprising. There is no reasonable alternative explanation for the facts above. You know it as well as I.

And THAT is the reason why Trump is still in office. It's people like you who have been gorging on a diet of conservative misinformation and who refuse to actually deal with the facts of the situation. You've hamstrung your Representatives, and they're forced to play cover for someone they know is a criminal and a traitor in order to keep their jobs.

Good work.

[Stumplicker]

And THAT is the reason why Trump is still in office. It's people like you who have been gorging on a diet of conservative misinformation and who refuse to actually deal with the facts of the situation. You've hamstrung your Representatives, and they're forced to play cover for someone they know is a criminal and a traitor in order to keep their jobs.


No. The reason Trump is still in office, despite being a huge asshole that continually costs me money, is because the smoking gun you keep claiming IS RIGHT THERE JUST OPEN YOUR EYES, does not exist. The sky has not fallen. There are no Russian sleeper agents running the country.

You are exactly as bad as the people who frothed at the mouth for 8 years demanding Obama's birth certificate.

Obama did not send his Kenyan stormtroopers into every home to take all the guns. Trump has not rounded up all the immigrants into gas chambers or sold the country to the Ruskies.

It's just a pendulum swinging one way and then the other so we can identify the loonies on both ends of the political spectrum (that's you, if you weren't sure). You will not be engaged in political discussion because you are incapable of it. Nobody even looks at you as a person. You're just a bot spouting political diarrhea all over the internet.

[Methais]

I absolutely answered your question:


I gave you 5 different examples of Trump pushing for things that were actively on Putin's top 5 list of priorities that also happened to damage the US. You should try engaging with the information- that's what a political discussion is for.

And you have completely disregarded the two core questions in my post:

1) WHO would put Trump in jail? The people investigating him are bound by DoJ guidelines which state that a sitting US President cannot be prosecuted for violations in Federal criminal law. They *cannot* put him in jail. But they *can* issue sealed indictments. And they may very well have. But ultimately, no one would even try to put the top guy in the investigation in jail until the investigation is finished and the full case is prepared. Your "he would be in jail if there were a lot of evidence against him" point is not only factually incorrect, it's just hollow.

2) You still have not provided a single alternative explanation for this:



In fact, none of you have. The sheer lengths you are going to in order to avoid having to actually answer a VERY simple question are astounding, albeit not surprising. There is no reasonable alternative explanation for the facts above. You know it as well as I.

And THAT is the reason why Trump is still in office. It's people like you who have been gorging on a diet of conservative misinformation and who refuse to actually deal with the facts of the situation. You've hamstrung your Representatives, and they're forced to play cover for someone they know is a criminal and a traitor in order to keep their jobs.

Good work.

Damn you're stupid.

Also TD;DR

[Parkbandit]

So- who exactly would throw Trump in jail? Congress? Wait they can't do that. The Judiciary? Oh wait, they can't do that either without an indictment. The Executive? Oh- the President is in charge of the Executive branch. (Hence why Impeachment was created) And the investigations are ongoing. There are a million reasons why Trump isn't in jail right now that have nothing to do with the preponderance of evidence out there.

I am happy to play along in your thought exercise, as long as you're willing to play along in mine.

Yours:

There are several foreign policy goals that Russia has:
1) The Easing of US Sanctions
2) The destruction- or debilitation- of NATO
3) A poorly armed Ukraine
4) The withdrawal of Western forces in Syria
5) Cover for their election interference

Trump has worked to achieve each of these goals.
1) He immediately tried to roll back (https://www.npr.org/2017/06/02/531269090/trump-administration-made-secret-efforts-to-ease-russia-sanctions) Sanctions levied against Russia for election meddling when he got into office. There is absolutely no explanation for why this was done nor why it was done in secret. This is the reason why Congress overwhelmingly passed the Russian sanctions bill. Since then, the administration has started rolling back sanctions (https://www.washingtonpost.com/?utm_term=.0a4044639c6b)in other ways while fighting off new sanctions as best he can.

2) Trump has repeatedly attacked NATO- to the point where he was privately discussing destroying the NATO alliance (https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/01/trump-privately-discussed-destroying-nato-alliance). The NATO alliance was established to directly support the West against Russia- it overwhelmingly benefits the US and its destruction hurts our allies and only benefits Russia.

3) During the RNC Convention- the Trump campaign had a curious lack of interest in anything policy-related- save for one exception: watering down the language about arming the Ukraine. It's the one thing his campaign fought for, and according to an RNC delegate- Trump directed his staff to get that language watered down (https://www.npr.org/2017/12/04/568310790/2016-rnc-delegate-trump-directed-change-to-party-platform-on-ukraine-support). The ONLY person who benefited from that policy change was Vladimir Putin.

4) Trump's announcement that he would withdraw from Syria- despite objections from all of his staff (prompting Mattis to resign, by the way) and our allies benefited Russia immensely and damaged relations between the US and critical allies while allowing Russia to dominate the region.

5) Trump has repeatedly denied that Russia meddled in our elections (https://www.politico.com/story/2018/07/13/trump-statements-russia-meddling-719281)- both during the campaign and while in office. He famously took Vladimir Putin's word that Russia didn't meddle over the word of our own Intelligence community. In doing so, he convinced A LOT of Americans that there was no interference, and that Russia had nothing to do with it. He not only gave Russia a pass, but he tried to roll back sanctions levied for the meddling (see above), AND he basically gave Putin an invitation to keep doing it. This was clearly to the detriment of the US and only benefited Putin. Keep in mind- Trump knew full well that Russia was interfering in the election to help him (https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2017/07/politics/donald-trump-jr-full-emails/)- he was told this by a cut out for the Russian government.


Now, my turn:

Trump was lying about a $300m Moscow real estate deal (https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/10/us/politics/transcript-second-debate.html)that was going on during the campaign, and that deal included a $50m bribe to Putin personally (https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/anthonycormier/the-trump-organization-planned-to-give-vladimir-putin-the?bfsource=relatedmanual) while Russia was actively working to get Trump elected (which Trump was trying to hide from the American people), and Trump was actively working to give Putin all of his major foreign policy objectives.

Please explain to the class how all of these things are totally unrelated to each other, and how this doesn't look exactly like what collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia would look like


I'll wait.

Jesus.....


In the field of psychology (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychology), the Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive bias (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_bias) in which people of low ability have illusory superiority (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illusory_superiority) and mistakenly assess their cognitive ability (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognition) as greater than it is. The cognitive bias of illusory superiority comes from the inability of low-ability people to recognize their lack of ability. Without the self-awareness (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-awareness) of metacognition (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metacognition), low-ability people cannot objectively evaluate their competence or incompetence

[time4fun]

No. The reason Trump is still in office, despite being a huge asshole that continually costs me money, is because the smoking gun you keep claiming IS RIGHT THERE JUST OPEN YOUR EYES, does not exist. The sky has not fallen. There are no Russian sleeper agents running the country.

You are exactly as bad as the people who frothed at the mouth for 8 years demanding Obama's birth certificate.

Obama did not send his Kenyan stormtroopers into every home to take all the guns. Trump has not rounded up all the immigrants into gas chambers or sold the country to the Ruskies.

It's just a pendulum swinging one way and then the other so we can identify the loonies on both ends of the political spectrum (that's you, if you weren't sure). You will not be engaged in political discussion because you are incapable of it. Nobody even looks at you as a person. You're just a bot spouting political diarrhea all over the internet.

Wow. You utterly refuse to engage with the facts. You accused me of not having answered your question- though I answered it quite directly.

You were asked to answer my question in return, and despite being asked several times you can't even acknowledge the information.

I will ask you again:

Trump was lying about a $300m Moscow real estate deal that was going on during the campaign, and that deal included a $50m bribe to Putin personally while Russia was actively working to get Trump elected (which Trump was trying to hide from the American people), and Trump was actively working to give Putin all of his major foreign policy objectives.

Please explain to the class how all of these things are totally unrelated to each other, and how this doesn't look exactly like what collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia would look like


If you cannot come up with an answer to that question- if you can't even bring yourself to consider a question that is this critical to our sovereignty as a nation...then you're literally pulling wool over your own eyes. It's a tacit admission that you know that Trump made a deal with Putin.

You're selling our country out for a wall. You want to find some loonies? Go find a mirror.

[Parkbandit]

Wow. You utterly refuse to engage with the facts. You accused me of not having answered your question- though I answered it quite directly.

You were asked to answer my question in return, and despite being asked several times you can't even acknowledge the information.

I will ask you again:

Trump was lying about a $300m Moscow real estate deal that was going on during the campaign, and that deal included a $50m bribe to Putin personally while Russia was actively working to get Trump elected (which Trump was trying to hide from the American people), and Trump was actively working to give Putin all of his major foreign policy objectives.

Please explain to the class how all of these things are totally unrelated to each other, and how this doesn't look exactly like what collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia would look like


If you cannot come up with an answer to that question- if you can't even bring yourself to consider a question that is this critical to our sovereignty as a nation...then you're literally pulling wool over your own eyes. It's a tacit admission that you know that Trump made a deal with Putin.

You're selling our country out for a wall. You want to find some loonies? Go find a mirror..


In the field of psychology, the Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive bias in which people of low ability have illusory superiority and mistakenly assess their cognitive ability as greater than it is. The cognitive bias of illusory superiority comes from the inability of low-ability people to recognize their lack of ability. Without the self-awareness of metacognition, low-ability people cannot objectively evaluate their competence or incompetence

[Methais]

Wow. You utterly refuse to engage with the facts. You accused me of not having answered your question- though I answered it quite directly.

You were asked to answer my question in return, and despite being asked several times you can't even acknowledge the information.

I will ask you again:

Trump was lying about a $300m Moscow real estate deal that was going on during the campaign, and that deal included a $50m bribe to Putin personally while Russia was actively working to get Trump elected (which Trump was trying to hide from the American people), and Trump was actively working to give Putin all of his major foreign policy objectives.

Please explain to the class how all of these things are totally unrelated to each other, and how this doesn't look exactly like what collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia would look like


If you cannot come up with an answer to that question- if you can't even bring yourself to consider a question that is this critical to our sovereignty as a nation...then you're literally pulling wool over your own eyes. It's a tacit admission that you know that Trump made a deal with Putin.

You're selling our country out for a wall. You want to find some loonies? Go find a mirror.

That's fantastic and all but when you're done sniffing your own farts could you explain why Mueller still doesn't have shit? Should be a slam dunk open and shut case if we're basing it on your dramatics.

[time4fun]

Vish, it ain't happening. I'm a Anti-Trump, Bernie Socialist but Mueller ain't got a dime on him. I think privately he suspects there is some connection (as per the metric ton of shit that's all around him as you described) but the FSB/Putin did some serious work to draw a circle of protection around their prized race horse and it's just not enough that anyone can deduce it all.

This isn't the movies, even with moron street criminals they all have a 40% chance baseline of "getting away with it" and that's with no pre-planning or anything. You've got the polar opposite here with the entire intelligence apparatus of a former superpower going gangbusters for their piece de resistance of getting one of their agents into the White House.

Sorry Vish, best we can hope for is to vote in 2020.

Oh Mueller has plenty- on obstruction alone.

But here's the situation- in the movies there's always some piece of paper or email somewhere that says "Dear horrible criminal person, I hereby promise to help you commit crimes in exchange for money". The thick-headed conservative gremlins here have decided that unless they see a piece of paper with Putin's signature, Trump's signature, and the phrase "I will collude with you"- Trump is innocent.

In reality- there are lots of ways to prove these things that don't rely on the family turning on each other to testify or the kind of note a 6th grader would leave if they were committing a crime. The flow of money, the contact with Russian military intelligence, the lies, the willingness to accept the help of an enemy nation, etc. And Mueller's team has some of the best prosecutors in the country. Having said that- Mueller probably can't indict Trump (or, at least, prosecute). Waiting for a Federal criminal indictment as proof that Mueller has enough on Trump is pointless. It's absence doesn't denote anything, either way.

Having said that, Mueller DOES have quite a bit on Trump, and we know that because there's quite a bit on this in the public domain. What Trump is currently benefiting from is the consequence of the long, slow burn of this all. There's so much damming evidence that it's A) hard to keep track of and B) easy to become desensitized to.

We already know the campaign readily took meetings with the Russian government to get campaign aid, and that they repeatedly lied about it.
We already know that Trump had a major business deal which literally included a $50m bribe to Putin in it, and that he lied about it.
We already know Trump has repeatedly defended Putin against allegations of election meddling despite having been told by the Russian government that they were, in fact, meddling to help him get elected.
We already know that Trump has worked to give Putin all of his major foreign policy priorities, and that Trump and Putin had several secret meetings while Trump was in office where no staff- aside from a translator- were allowed in (which by the way- does NOT happen. Ever.) And he lied about it.
We already know Trump's campaign manager- who is infamous for helping Russia install a puppet President in Ukraine- volunteered to work on the campaign for free (as a way of paying back a debt to a Russian Oligarch who was HEAVILY involved in the election interference work), and that he was in contact with Russian military Intelligence the whole time. Oh, and that he lied about it.
And we already know that Trump was back-channeling with Wiki Leaks to get updates on email drops before anyone else had them, and he lied about it.

You don't think they have a lot on Trump? Really? You and I both know I could have gone on with another 100 points- all of which lead to one simple conclusion: The Trump campaign coordinated with Russia to throw our election.

Now imagine what's *not* in the public domain and add it to this.

[Wrathbringer]

Oh Mueller has plenty- on obstruction alone.

But here's the situation- in the movies there's always some piece of paper or email somewhere that says "Dear horrible criminal person, I hereby promise to help you commit crimes in exchange for money". The thick-headed conservative gremlins here have decided that unless they see a piece of paper with Putin's signature, Trump's signature, and the phrase "I will collude with you"- Trump is innocent.

In reality- there are lots of ways to prove these things that don't rely on the family turning on each other to testify or the kind of note a 6th grader would leave if they were committing a crime. The flow of money, the contact with Russian military intelligence, the lies, the willingness to accept the help of an enemy nation, etc. And Mueller's team has some of the best prosecutors in the country. Having said that- Mueller probably can't indict Trump (or, at least, prosecute). Waiting for a Federal criminal indictment as proof that Mueller has enough on Trump is pointless. It's absence doesn't denote anything, either way.

Having said that, Mueller DOES have quite a bit on Trump, and we know that because there's quite a bit on this in the public domain. What Trump is currently benefiting from is the consequence of the long, slow burn of this all. There's so much damming evidence that it's A) hard to keep track of and B) easy to become desensitized to.

We already know the campaign readily took meetings with the Russian government to get campaign aid, and that they repeatedly lied about it.
We already know that Trump had a major business deal which literally included a $50m bribe to Putin in it, and that he lied about it.
We already know Trump has repeatedly defended Putin against allegations of election meddling despite having been told by the Russian government that they were, in fact, meddling to help him get elected.
We already know that Trump has worked to give Putin all of his major foreign policy priorities, and that Trump and Putin had several secret meetings while Trump was in office where no staff- aside from a translator- were allowed in (which by the way- does NOT happen. Ever.) And he lied about it.
We already know Trump's campaign manager- who is infamous for helping Russia install a puppet President in Ukraine- volunteered to work on the campaign for free (as a way of paying back a debt to a Russian Oligarch who was HEAVILY involved in the election interference work), and that he was in contact with Russian military Intelligence the whole time. Oh, and that he lied about it.
And we already know that Trump was back-channeling with Wiki Leaks to get updates on email drops before anyone else had them, and he lied about it.

You don't think they have a lot on Trump? Really? You and I both know I could have gone on with another 100 points- all of which lead to one simple conclusion: The Trump campaign coordinated with Russia to throw our election.

Now imagine what's *not* in the public domain and add it to this.

TR;DR. Quoted for when Trump serves out his term and runs again in 2020. You're just delusional and butthurt.

[Parkbandit]

Oh Mueller has plenty- on obstruction alone.

But here's the situation- in the movies there's always some piece of paper or email somewhere that says "Dear horrible criminal person, I hereby promise to help you commit crimes in exchange for money". The thick-headed conservative gremlins here have decided that unless they see a piece of paper with Putin's signature, Trump's signature, and the phrase "I will collude with you"- Trump is innocent.

In reality- there are lots of ways to prove these things that don't rely on the family turning on each other to testify or the kind of note a 6th grader would leave if they were committing a crime. The flow of money, the contact with Russian military intelligence, the lies, the willingness to accept the help of an enemy nation, etc. And Mueller's team has some of the best prosecutors in the country. Having said that- Mueller probably can't indict Trump (or, at least, prosecute). Waiting for a Federal criminal indictment as proof that Mueller has enough on Trump is pointless. It's absence doesn't denote anything, either way.

Having said that, Mueller DOES have quite a bit on Trump, and we know that because there's quite a bit on this in the public domain. What Trump is currently benefiting from is the consequence of the long, slow burn of this all. There's so much damming evidence that it's A) hard to keep track of and B) easy to become desensitized to.

We already know the campaign readily took meetings with the Russian government to get campaign aid, and that they repeatedly lied about it.
We already know that Trump had a major business deal which literally included a $50m bribe to Putin in it, and that he lied about it.
We already know Trump has repeatedly defended Putin against allegations of election meddling despite having been told by the Russian government that they were, in fact, meddling to help him get elected.
We already know that Trump has worked to give Putin all of his major foreign policy priorities, and that Trump and Putin had several secret meetings while Trump was in office where no staff- aside from a translator- were allowed in (which by the way- does NOT happen. Ever.) And he lied about it.
We already know Trump's campaign manager- who is infamous for helping Russia install a puppet President in Ukraine- volunteered to work on the campaign for free (as a way of paying back a debt to a Russian Oligarch who was HEAVILY involved in the election interference work), and that he was in contact with Russian military Intelligence the whole time. Oh, and that he lied about it.
And we already know that Trump was back-channeling with Wiki Leaks to get updates on email drops before anyone else had them, and he lied about it.

You don't think they have a lot on Trump? Really? You and I both know I could have gone on with another 100 points- all of which lead to one simple conclusion: The Trump campaign coordinated with Russia to throw our election.

Now imagine what's *not* in the public domain and add it to this.

And this is why I think it's time you get a rematch for the title. Please, don't think that when you become champion, you can just sit back and not post. You need to REPRESENT!

I'll make the match for tomorrow. Backlash: I hope you are bringing your A game.

[Alfster]

I can't help but laugh. There's a ton of circumstantial evidence that's in the public space today - but if you think they're going to war with the president with anything circumstantial then you're beyond hope.

There are far more interesting investigations going on. He's likely to end up in court for the rest of his life after being president - but unless there's some actual Russian evidence then ain't shit happening until he's out of office

The fact that they explored the 25th amendment and then moved on from it tells me no one in the justice department has the smocking (lol) gun.

Yes, Manafort is going to jail for his crimes. So have others - but no one in the Trump family's even been indicted. It's just not happening from the russian investigation.

[Methais]

I can't help but laugh.

This is the best way to handle time4fun’s chronic retardedness.

[Parkbandit]

I can't help but laugh. There's a ton of circumstantial evidence that's in the public space today - but if you think they're going to war with the president with anything circumstantial then you're beyond hope.

There are far more interesting investigations going on. He's likely to end up in court for the rest of his life after being president - but unless there's some actual Russian evidence then ain't shit happening until he's out of office

The fact that they explored the 25th amendment and then moved on from it tells me no one in the justice department has the smocking (lol) gun.

Yes, Manafort is going to jail for his crimes. So have others - but no one in the Trump family's even been indicted. It's just not happening from the russian investigation.

OMG YOU MUST BE SOME SORT OF WHITE RACIST TRUMPIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[time4fun]

So first- people keep eliding "Mueller having evidence that Trump colluded with Russia" and "Mueller sending Trump to jail". They're two VERY different things, particularly in this case.

You're correct that nothing is likely to happen while he's in office. Because the only thing that CAN happen is impeachment- which is a political process, not a juridical one. No one is arguing otherwise.

And Mueller's report is almost guaranteed to avoid making any recommendations regarding what to do with Trump. It will likely lay the facts out in full view with an implied next step.

Finally, just because Trump coordinated with Russia doesn't necessarily mean he broke any laws. He *likely* did, but there are grey areas in the case law on definitions for a thing of value and how involved you have to be in a hack to be a conspirator.

But whether- and which- laws were broken is candidly irrelevant. We cannot make this okay. Our democracy won't survive it.

[Gelston]

So first- people keep eliding "Mueller having evidence that Trump colluded with Russia" and "Mueller sending Trump to jail". They're two VERY different things, particularly in this case.

You're correct that nothing is likely to happen while he's in office. Because the only thing that CAN happen is impeachment- which is a political process, not a juridical one. No one is arguing otherwise.

And Mueller's report is almost guaranteed to avoid making any recommendations regarding what to do with Trump. It will likely lay the facts out in full view with an implied next step.

Finally, just because Trump coordinated with Russia doesn't necessarily mean he broke any laws. He *likely* did, but there are grey areas in the case law on definitions for a thing of value and how involved you have to be in a hack to be a conspirator.

But whether- and which- laws were broken is candidly irrelevant. We cannot make this okay. Our democracy won't survive it.

Quoted for when the report is released to check how well this ages, like when she said Hillary was going to win.

[Astray]

Quoted for when the report is released to check how well this ages, like when she said Hillary was going to win.

I'll take your finest bottle of Whine, garson.

[Wrathbringer]

So first- people keep eliding "Mueller having evidence that Trump colluded with Russia" and "Mueller sending Trump to jail". They're two VERY different things, particularly in this case.

You're correct that nothing is likely to happen while he's in office. Because the only thing that CAN happen is impeachment- which is a political process, not a juridical one. No one is arguing otherwise.

And Mueller's report is almost guaranteed to avoid making any recommendations regarding what to do with Trump. It will likely lay the facts out in full view with an implied next step.

Finally, just because Trump coordinated with Russia doesn't necessarily mean he broke any laws. He *likely* did, but there are grey areas in the case law on definitions for a thing of value and how involved you have to be in a hack to be a conspirator.

But whether- and which- laws were broken is candidly irrelevant. We cannot make this okay. Our democracy won't survive it.

Thanks for admitting this whole thing is a politically biased butthurt witch hunt that will amount to nothing. It's about time. You're still retarded, you're just hedging your bets now. What our democracy won't survive is retards like you voting in retards like you.

[Androidpk]

I can't help but laugh. There's a ton of circumstantial evidence that's in the public space today - but if you think they're going to war with the president with anything circumstantial then you're beyond hope.

There are far more interesting investigations going on. He's likely to end up in court for the rest of his life after being president - but unless there's some actual Russian evidence then ain't shit happening until he's out of office

The fact that they explored the 25th amendment and then moved on from it tells me no one in the justice department has the smocking (lol) gun.

Yes, Manafort is going to jail for his crimes. So have others - but no one in the Trump family's even been indicted. It's just not happening from the russian investigation.

A smoking gun is circumstantial evidence.

[Wrathbringer]

I can't help but wonder if Manafort is going to be found dead from "suicide" before this is all over. Putin does not like loose strings.

Here's an oldie but a goody from 7-25-2017. :lol:

[Alfster]

A smoking gun is circumstantial evidence.

Then there's nothing.

[Astray]

Here's an oldie but a goody from 7-25-2017. :lol:

https://i.imgur.com/31sYWm4.jpg

[Gelston]

A smoking gun is circumstantial evidence.

Well yeah, did you see the person actually shoot the other person?

[time4fun]

Then there's nothing.

There is the lack of any alternative explanation for the fact that Trump was hiding a $300m Moscow real estate deal (which needed buy-in from the highest levels of Russian government) that included a $50m penthouse bribe specifically for Vladimir Putin while Russia was actively interfering with our democracy to get Trump elected- a fact Trump did his best to hide from the public. Factor in the reality that Trump was touting Putin's most prized foreign policy goals the whole time (and tried to give them to him- including trying to roll back sanctions immediately after being elected)- all of which were at the expense of the US's own security- and I'd say that we're well beyond speculation.

Repeat after me kids: there is no such thing as a coincidence in politics.

And no one has been able to provide a single other reasonable explanation aside from the one that is staring us straight in the face- Trump and his campaign coordinated with Russia to win the election either in return for a major real estate deal or as a consequence of it (as one of Russia's favorite tactics is to entrap people in lucrative business deals in Russia and use it to get compromising information on them).

[Gelston]

Here's an oldie but a goody from 7-25-2017. :lol:

That would have only happened if he was testifying against Hillary.

[Gelston]

There is the lack of any alternative explanation for the fact that Trump was hiding a $300m Moscow real estate deal (which needed buy-in from the highest levels of Russian government) that included a $50m penthouse bribe specifically for Vladimir Putin while Russia was actively interfering with our democracy to get Trump elected- a fact Trump did his best to hide from the public. Factor in the reality that Trump was touting Putin's most prized foreign policy goals the whole time (and tried to give them to him- including trying to roll back sanctions immediately after being elected)- all of which were at the expense of the US's own security- and I'd say that we're well beyond speculation.

Repeat after me kids: there is no such thing as a coincidence in politics.

And no one has been able to provide a single other reasonable explanation aside from the one that is staring us straight in the face- Trump and his campaign coordinated with Russia to win the election either in return for a major real estate deal or as a consequence of it (as one of Russia's favorite tactics is to entrap people in lucrative business deals in Russia and use it to get compromising information on them).

You're not very smart. Coincidence can exist anywhere. Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean it can't be true.

[Wrathbringer]

There is the lack of any alternative explanation for the fact that Trump was hiding a $300m Moscow real estate deal (which needed buy-in from the highest levels of Russian government) that included a $50m penthouse bribe specifically for Vladimir Putin while Russia was actively interfering with our democracy to get Trump elected- a fact Trump did his best to hide from the public. Factor in the reality that Trump was touting Putin's most prized foreign policy goals the whole time (and tried to give them to him- including trying to roll back sanctions immediately after being elected)- all of which were at the expense of the US's own security- and I'd say that we're well beyond speculation.

Repeat after me kids: there is no such thing as a coincidence in politics.

And no one has been able to provide a single other reasonable explanation aside from the one that is staring us straight in the face- Trump and his campaign coordinated with Russia to win the election either in return for a major real estate deal or as a consequence of it (as one of Russia's favorite tactics is to entrap people in lucrative business deals in Russia and use it to get compromising information on them).

So you've got nothing at all. Got it.

[time4fun]

Here's an oldie but a goody from 7-25-2017. :lol:

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Oh that's darling.

Because Putin has no history of killing off people who know too much. (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2017/05/02/dozens-russian-deaths-cast-suspicion-vladimir-putin/100480734/)

It's not like anyone with ties to this whole situation has mysteriously died. Oh well except this guy. (https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/409961-russian-deputy-ag-linked-to-lawyer-in-trump-tower-meeting). Oh and this guy (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/27/mystery-death-ex-kgb-chief-linked-mi6-spys-dossier-donald-trump/). Oh and this guy (https://www.businessinsider.com/sergei-skripal-had-links-to-russia-expert-christopher-steele-2018-3), but, hey, they figure it was probably for some other reason aside from being an informant for Steele. And it's not like Fusion GPS testified in a Congressional hearing that there were any deaths related to the dossier going public. Oh wait- except they did (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fusion-gps-lawyer-somebodys-already-been-killed-because-trump-dossier-published/).

It's so cute when your ignorance shows.

[Wrathbringer]

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Oh that's darling.

Because Putin has no history of killing off people who know too much. (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2017/05/02/dozens-russian-deaths-cast-suspicion-vladimir-putin/100480734/)

It's not like anyone with ties to this whole situation has mysteriously died. Oh well except this guy. (https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/409961-russian-deputy-ag-linked-to-lawyer-in-trump-tower-meeting). Oh and this guy (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/27/mystery-death-ex-kgb-chief-linked-mi6-spys-dossier-donald-trump/). Oh and this guy (https://www.businessinsider.com/sergei-skripal-had-links-to-russia-expert-christopher-steele-2018-3), but, hey, they figure it was probably for some other reason aside from being an informant for Steele. And it's not like Fusion GPS testified in a Congressional hearing that there were any deaths related to the dossier going public. Oh wait- except they did (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fusion-gps-lawyer-somebodys-already-been-killed-because-trump-dossier-published/).

It's so cute when your ignorance shows.

TR;DR

[time4fun]

You're not very smart. Coincidence can exist anywhere. Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean it can't be true.

ROFLMAO

First off- have you ever even worked in politics? Anyone who had would be laughing hysterically in your face right now.

But, more to the point, for your cute "what if" to be true- we'd have to believe that Vladimir Putin took great steps to separate out the Trump Tower Moscow project (and his $50m penthouse bribe) from all of his decisions around helping Trump get elected President. That would be frankly fucking astounding for anyone, but it would be particularly so for a man who regularly uses business deals to recruit assets.

On top of that, we'd have to then believe that TRUMP- scrupulous and deliberate as he is- didn't at all factor in the way he was treating Russia with the pending $300m Real Estate deal he needed Putin to sign off on in order to make it real. Of course, you'd be left having to explain why Trump lied about the real estate deal and ordered Cohen (and presumably his campaign staff and family) to lie about the deal to Congress.

And then you'd have to come up with some other explanation as to why candidate Trump- notoriously indifferent when it comes to policy- just "happened" to have picked up some REALLY strong opinions about NATO, Russian Sanctions, the Ukraine, and election meddling- all of which favored Russia at the expense of the US.

And THEN you'd have to explain why Trump decided to roll back Russian sanctions- which were levied for the election meddling- immediately after being elected- an explanation that would need to include some justification for why they tried to do it in secret. While you were at it, you'd have to explain why candidate Trump- who had been informed by the FBI and the Russian government that Putin was actively trying to help him win the election- repeatedly worked to convince people none of that was going on.

The fact that you thought it was wise or effective to substitute an empty platitude for any meaningful response to the specific situation is what indicates that you are just not very smart.

[Taernath]

ROFLMAO

First off- have you ever even worked in politics?

HERE WE GO

[Parkbandit]

So first- people keep eliding "Mueller having evidence that Trump colluded with Russia" and "Mueller sending Trump to jail". They're two VERY different things, particularly in this case.

You're correct that nothing is likely to happen while he's in office. Because the only thing that CAN happen is impeachment- which is a political process, not a juridical one. No one is arguing otherwise.

And Mueller's report is almost guaranteed to avoid making any recommendations regarding what to do with Trump. It will likely lay the facts out in full view with an implied next step.

Finally, just because Trump coordinated with Russia doesn't necessarily mean he broke any laws. He *likely* did, but there are grey areas in the case law on definitions for a thing of value and how involved you have to be in a hack to be a conspirator.

But whether- and which- laws were broken is candidly irrelevant. We cannot make this okay. Our democracy won't survive it.

Is this the same sort of meltdown you had over the election of 2016, where you've never been more scared of an election outcome.. because your illegal, gay, {insert any other conversation we were having at the time} would certainly be in danger?

Specifically: How has anything in your life changed since President Trump took office? He come into your house, grab your illegal, gay, etc... brother and kicked him out of the country yet?

Stop being so fucking emotionally dramatic... it makes people realize you aren't mentally stable.

Our democracy will survive this and everything else you are so upset about.

[Parkbandit]

ROFLMAO

First off- have you ever even worked in politics? Anyone who had would be laughing hysterically in your face right now.

But, more to the point, for your cute "what if" to be true- we'd have to believe that Vladimir Putin took great steps to separate out the Trump Tower Moscow project (and his $50m penthouse bribe) from all of his decisions around helping Trump get elected President. That would be frankly fucking astounding for anyone, but it would be particularly so for a man who regularly uses business deals to recruit assets.

On top of that, we'd have to then believe that TRUMP- scrupulous and deliberate as he is- didn't at all factor in the way he was treating Russia with the pending $300m Real Estate deal he needed Putin to sign off on in order to make it real. Of course, you'd be left having to explain why Trump lied about the real estate deal and ordered Cohen (and presumably his campaign staff and family) to lie about the deal to Congress.

And then you'd have to come up with some other explanation as to why candidate Trump- notoriously indifferent when it comes to policy- just "happened" to have picked up some REALLY strong opinions about NATO, Russian Sanctions, the Ukraine, and election meddling- all of which favored Russia at the expense of the US.

And THEN you'd have to explain why Trump decided to roll back Russian sanctions- which were levied for the election meddling- immediately after being elected- an explanation that would need to include some justification for why they tried to do it in secret. While you were at it, you'd have to explain why candidate Trump- who had been informed by the FBI and the Russian government that Putin was actively trying to help him win the election- repeatedly worked to convince people none of that was going on.

The fact that you thought it was wise or effective to substitute an empty platitude for any meaningful response to the specific situation is what indicates that you are just not very smart.

Let's not go blowing your full load tonight. Your rematch doesn't start until Midnight.

Save some of this good stuff for the ring.

[Parkbandit]

HERE WE GO

Stop making fun of her. You know she has worked in government and the UN and anywhere else you deem it necessary to have some real world experience to make her the authority.

Just listen to her. She really does think she knows what she's talking about... if you have no idea what the Dunning–Kruger effect is.. that is........

[Wrathbringer]

ROFLMAO

First off- have you ever even worked in politics? Anyone who had would be laughing hysterically in your face right now.

But, more to the point, for your cute "what if" to be true- we'd have to believe that Vladimir Putin took great steps to separate out the Trump Tower Moscow project (and his $50m penthouse bribe) from all of his decisions around helping Trump get elected President. That would be frankly fucking astounding for anyone, but it would be particularly so for a man who regularly uses business deals to recruit assets.

On top of that, we'd have to then believe that TRUMP- scrupulous and deliberate as he is- didn't at all factor in the way he was treating Russia with the pending $300m Real Estate deal he needed Putin to sign off on in order to make it real. Of course, you'd be left having to explain why Trump lied about the real estate deal and ordered Cohen (and presumably his campaign staff and family) to lie about the deal to Congress.

And then you'd have to come up with some other explanation as to why candidate Trump- notoriously indifferent when it comes to policy- just "happened" to have picked up some REALLY strong opinions about NATO, Russian Sanctions, the Ukraine, and election meddling- all of which favored Russia at the expense of the US.

And THEN you'd have to explain why Trump decided to roll back Russian sanctions- which were levied for the election meddling- immediately after being elected- an explanation that would need to include some justification for why they tried to do it in secret. While you were at it, you'd have to explain why candidate Trump- who had been informed by the FBI and the Russian government that Putin was actively trying to help him win the election- repeatedly worked to convince people none of that was going on.

The fact that you thought it was wise or effective to substitute an empty platitude for any meaningful response to the specific situation is what indicates that you are just not very smart.

tr;dr damn you're stupid. Keep posting though. We're all enjoying laughing at your desperate butthurt "arguments". :lol:

[RichardCranium]

ROFLMAO

First off- have you ever even worked in politics? Anyone who had would be laughing hysterically in your face right now.

But, more to the point, for your cute "what if" to be true- we'd have to believe that Vladimir Putin took great steps to separate out the Trump Tower Moscow project (and his $50m penthouse bribe) from all of his decisions around helping Trump get elected President. That would be frankly fucking astounding for anyone, but it would be particularly so for a man who regularly uses business deals to recruit assets.

On top of that, we'd have to then believe that TRUMP- scrupulous and deliberate as he is- didn't at all factor in the way he was treating Russia with the pending $300m Real Estate deal he needed Putin to sign off on in order to make it real. Of course, you'd be left having to explain why Trump lied about the real estate deal and ordered Cohen (and presumably his campaign staff and family) to lie about the deal to Congress.

And then you'd have to come up with some other explanation as to why candidate Trump- notoriously indifferent when it comes to policy- just "happened" to have picked up some REALLY strong opinions about NATO, Russian Sanctions, the Ukraine, and election meddling- all of which favored Russia at the expense of the US.

And THEN you'd have to explain why Trump decided to roll back Russian sanctions- which were levied for the election meddling- immediately after being elected- an explanation that would need to include some justification for why they tried to do it in secret. While you were at it, you'd have to explain why candidate Trump- who had been informed by the FBI and the Russian government that Putin was actively trying to help him win the election- repeatedly worked to convince people none of that was going on.

The fact that you thought it was wise or effective to substitute an empty platitude for any meaningful response to the specific situation is what indicates that you are just not very smart.

God help your peers if you ever wind up on a jury.

[Wrathbringer]

HERE WE GO

:lol:

[Taernath]

Stop making fun of her. You know she has worked in government and the UN and anywhere else you deem it necessary to have some real world experience to make her the authority.

Just listen to her. She really does think she knows what she's talking about... if you have no idea what the Dunning–Kruger effect is.. that is........

https://i.imgur.com/2z60iyk.jpg

[Methais]

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Oh that's darling.

Because Putin has no history of killing off people who know too much. (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2017/05/02/dozens-russian-deaths-cast-suspicion-vladimir-putin/100480734/)

It's not like anyone with ties to this whole situation has mysteriously died. Oh well except this guy. (https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/409961-russian-deputy-ag-linked-to-lawyer-in-trump-tower-meeting). Oh and this guy (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/27/mystery-death-ex-kgb-chief-linked-mi6-spys-dossier-donald-trump/). Oh and this guy (https://www.businessinsider.com/sergei-skripal-had-links-to-russia-expert-christopher-steele-2018-3), but, hey, they figure it was probably for some other reason aside from being an informant for Steele. And it's not like Fusion GPS testified in a Congressional hearing that there were any deaths related to the dossier going public. Oh wait- except they did (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fusion-gps-lawyer-somebodys-already-been-killed-because-trump-dossier-published/).

It's so cute when your ignorance shows.

Except you were the one who was wrong, yet here you are anyway trying to twist it into you're somehow right and everyone else is dumb.

Seriously, when was the last time you took a dump?

[Methais]

https://i.imgur.com/2z60iyk.jpg

This is the most correct thing posted for today. Possibly of all time.

[Alfster]

ROFLMAO

First off- have you ever even worked in politics? Anyone who had would be laughing hysterically in your face right now.

But, more to the point, for your cute "what if" to be true- we'd have to believe that Vladimir Putin took great steps to separate out the Trump Tower Moscow project (and his $50m penthouse bribe) from all of his decisions around helping Trump get elected President. That would be frankly fucking astounding for anyone, but it would be particularly so for a man who regularly uses business deals to recruit assets.

On top of that, we'd have to then believe that TRUMP- scrupulous and deliberate as he is- didn't at all factor in the way he was treating Russia with the pending $300m Real Estate deal he needed Putin to sign off on in order to make it real. Of course, you'd be left having to explain why Trump lied about the real estate deal and ordered Cohen (and presumably his campaign staff and family) to lie about the deal to Congress.

And then you'd have to come up with some other explanation as to why candidate Trump- notoriously indifferent when it comes to policy- just "happened" to have picked up some REALLY strong opinions about NATO, Russian Sanctions, the Ukraine, and election meddling- all of which favored Russia at the expense of the US.

And THEN you'd have to explain why Trump decided to roll back Russian sanctions- which were levied for the election meddling- immediately after being elected- an explanation that would need to include some justification for why they tried to do it in secret. While you were at it, you'd have to explain why candidate Trump- who had been informed by the FBI and the Russian government that Putin was actively trying to help him win the election- repeatedly worked to convince people none of that was going on.

The fact that you thought it was wise or effective to substitute an empty platitude for any meaningful response to the specific situation is what indicates that you are just not very smart.

First. Trump will say anything at any time if he can see a benefit from it. Of course he's lying about the deal - it's potentially not even illegal. So he lied. Add that onto his 8000+ lies hes told in the last two years.

Trump's also been one to go against general international policy at the president level. He feels he can make a better deal if he has a personal relationship with leaders of other countries. Other president's wouldn't do that - but he thinks it makes him a genius. Simply because his policies align with those of Russia mean nothing more than he got played by Russia, but he doesn't even realize it. He's that stupid. Never underestimate the truly incompetent.

[Tgo01]

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Oh that's darling.

Because Putin has no history of killing off people who know too much. (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2017/05/02/dozens-russian-deaths-cast-suspicion-vladimir-putin/100480734/)

It's not like anyone with ties to this whole situation has mysteriously died. Oh well except this guy. (https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/409961-russian-deputy-ag-linked-to-lawyer-in-trump-tower-meeting). Oh and this guy (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/27/mystery-death-ex-kgb-chief-linked-mi6-spys-dossier-donald-trump/). Oh and this guy (https://www.businessinsider.com/sergei-skripal-had-links-to-russia-expert-christopher-steele-2018-3), but, hey, they figure it was probably for some other reason aside from being an informant for Steele. And it's not like Fusion GPS testified in a Congressional hearing that there were any deaths related to the dossier going public. Oh wait- except they did (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fusion-gps-lawyer-somebodys-already-been-killed-because-trump-dossier-published/).

It's so cute when your ignorance shows.

Well since Manafort did NOT "suicide" himself wouldn't that prove Putin isn't behind all of this and isn't pulling the strings in American government?

Or is Putin going to kill Manafort now, after his trial is over and everything?

But I'm sure you'll have some "I'm so smart and you're so stupid" to explain why you're correct in both circumstances. Maybe you can insult Androidpk again and he'll pretend it never happened and come to your rescue still.

[Tgo01]

ROFLMAO

First off- have you ever even worked in politics? Anyone who had would be laughing hysterically in your face right now.

"I'm soooooo smart and you're sooooo stupid!"

[Parkbandit]

https://i.imgur.com/2z60iyk.jpg

Jesus.. that is so fucking spot on it's scary.

[time4fun]

First. Trump will say anything at any time if he can see a benefit from it. Of course he's lying about the deal - it's potentially not even illegal. So he lied. Add that onto his 8000+ lies hes told in the last two years.

Trump's also been one to go against general international policy at the president level. He feels he can make a better deal if he has a personal relationship with leaders of other countries. Other president's wouldn't do that - but he thinks it makes him a genius. Simply because his policies align with those of Russia mean nothing more than he got played by Russia, but he doesn't even realize it. He's that stupid. Never underestimate the truly incompetent.

While I appreciate the fact that you're the only person who has had the guts to attempt to explain away the incredibly damning situation, there are a few things that need to be pointed out:

1) Lying about the existence of the deal during the campaign is one thing- and yes may very well be legal. (Though HUGELY unethical, to say the least) But you definitely could argue that he lied to win the election- nothing too crazy there, right? But after he had already won, he then directed people to lie to Congress about the deal. THAT is VERY illegal and runs afoul a few laws, risking prison time, impeachment, etc. If there was nothing untoward going on, then there's really no rational reason for him to have taken the huge risks he took (not to mention the people he directed to lie *cough*Cohen*cough*). He wanted that kept a secret for a reason, and there's no other obvious motive aside from it being part of something more scandalous than lying to Congress, obstruction of justice, etc.

2) The sentiment that Trump will make a better deal if he can is great, but it's completely irrelevant to the foreign policy and candidate narrative decisions I outlined. In terms of "being played by Russia"- that argument only makes sense if candidate Trump had a relationship with Russia that involved them trying to direct his foreign policy positions. And that- of course- lands us right back into collusion territory.

And these two points you raise still don't do anything to explain away the rest of the equation:

1) Why was Trump actively covering for Putin's election meddling when he knew- from the Russian government itself- that the meddling was going on?
2) How did Trump just magically end up arriving at the exact foreign policy positions Putin wanted when there was zero benefit to the United States AND when those positions were actually incredibly risky, politically? US Presidential candidates don't attack NATO. EVERYONE in the Western world wants Ukraine suitably armed so Russia doesn't invade the rest of it. There was obvious disincentive for Trump to take these positions, and, yet, he took them. And what possible incentive was there to roll back sanctions levied for election meddling? There was NO deal- Russia didn't give up a single thing. (At least, not to the United States government) And if he was doing it because he strongly believed it was the "right" thing to do (which, by itself should send chills down anyone's spine)- why did he rush to do it in secret? That's not really his style, is it?

And, of course, it doesn't explain why Trump lied repeatedly about his contacts with Russia (and those of his campaign), nor does it explain why the top levels of his campaign were so eager to accept help from our greatest geopolitical ally during the campaign (PS they had been warned by the FBI that Russia would try do to just that, and they had been instructed to contact the FBI immediately- which, of course, they didn't). Nor does it explain why he and his campaign lied about that as well.

Again, I appreciate your attempt. But your "Oh he's just being that rascally Trump" explanation isn't an explanation at all.

[Alfster]

1) I haven't seen any proof that he straight up directed people to lie. Even Cohen mentioned he doesn't tell you to lie, he strongly suggests things. I'm not a lawyer - so I don't know how that would hold up in court, but it's not a slam dunk by any means.

2) He seems to rely on Russia to get information on North Korea. It's plausible that he was willing to make a deal with Russia in order to position himself to deal with North Korea. His ego would push him to do anything to do ehat Obama couldnt. Of course he didn't actually do anything other than stop war games...with nothing in return.

Trump lied about the tower deal because he knew how bad it would look politically. He doesn't understand the concept of oversight, and I believe he genuinely assumed no one would find that letter.

I find him to be utterly stupid and struggle to find any reason Republicans are willing to toss away their long term values for it. I mean, at this point they have their conservative court, yet - it appears to be all about "winning". The damage is done to our Allies, he's not even hiding the pay to play politics, he continually profits by vacationing at his resorts, and I'm sure plenty more that isn't straight up obvious.

The problem is none of that is russian related, which is why having oversight is such a good thing right now.

[Neveragain]

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Oh that's darling.

Because Putin has no history of killing off people who know too much. (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2017/05/02/dozens-russian-deaths-cast-suspicion-vladimir-putin/100480734/)

It's not like anyone with ties to this whole situation has mysteriously died. Oh well except this guy. (https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/409961-russian-deputy-ag-linked-to-lawyer-in-trump-tower-meeting). Oh and this guy (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/27/mystery-death-ex-kgb-chief-linked-mi6-spys-dossier-donald-trump/). Oh and this guy (https://www.businessinsider.com/sergei-skripal-had-links-to-russia-expert-christopher-steele-2018-3), but, hey, they figure it was probably for some other reason aside from being an informant for Steele. And it's not like Fusion GPS testified in a Congressional hearing that there were any deaths related to the dossier going public. Oh wait- except they did (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fusion-gps-lawyer-somebodys-already-been-killed-because-trump-dossier-published/).

It's so cute when your ignorance shows.

https://media.giphy.com/media/svb8tKSIpGfHq/giphy.gif

[Roiken]

i have no comment other than i'm glad we're done with oh honey... and have moved on to darling it's like the relationship has grown.

[Stumplicker]

i have no comment other than i'm glad we're done with oh honey... and have moved on to darling it's like the relationship has grown.

It's new. She bestowed herself with 8th and 9th fake doctorates last night so she graduated to new terms. This time in political science and psychology! I'm wondering how many it'll take to realize that she's only around because the Eugenics movement kind of petered out when some Germans decided to go all in on it a ways back.

[Wrathbringer]

While I appreciate the fact that you're the only person who has had the guts to attempt to explain away the incredibly damning situation, there are a few things that need to be pointed out:

1) Lying about the existence of the deal during the campaign is one thing- and yes may very well be legal. (Though HUGELY unethical, to say the least) But you definitely could argue that he lied to win the election- nothing too crazy there, right? But after he had already won, he then directed people to lie to Congress about the deal. THAT is VERY illegal and runs afoul a few laws, risking prison time, impeachment, etc. If there was nothing untoward going on, then there's really no rational reason for him to have taken the huge risks he took (not to mention the people he directed to lie *cough*Cohen*cough*). He wanted that kept a secret for a reason, and there's no other obvious motive aside from it being part of something more scandalous than lying to Congress, obstruction of justice, etc.

2) The sentiment that Trump will make a better deal if he can is great, but it's completely irrelevant to the foreign policy and candidate narrative decisions I outlined. In terms of "being played by Russia"- that argument only makes sense if candidate Trump had a relationship with Russia that involved them trying to direct his foreign policy positions. And that- of course- lands us right back into collusion territory.

And these two points you raise still don't do anything to explain away the rest of the equation:

1) Why was Trump actively covering for Putin's election meddling when he knew- from the Russian government itself- that the meddling was going on?
2) How did Trump just magically end up arriving at the exact foreign policy positions Putin wanted when there was zero benefit to the United States AND when those positions were actually incredibly risky, politically? US Presidential candidates don't attack NATO. EVERYONE in the Western world wants Ukraine suitably armed so Russia doesn't invade the rest of it. There was obvious disincentive for Trump to take these positions, and, yet, he took them. And what possible incentive was there to roll back sanctions levied for election meddling? There was NO deal- Russia didn't give up a single thing. (At least, not to the United States government) And if he was doing it because he strongly believed it was the "right" thing to do (which, by itself should send chills down anyone's spine)- why did he rush to do it in secret? That's not really his style, is it?

And, of course, it doesn't explain why Trump lied repeatedly about his contacts with Russia (and those of his campaign), nor does it explain why the top levels of his campaign were so eager to accept help from our greatest geopolitical ally during the campaign (PS they had been warned by the FBI that Russia would try do to just that, and they had been instructed to contact the FBI immediately- which, of course, they didn't). Nor does it explain why he and his campaign lied about that as well.

Again, I appreciate your attempt. But your "Oh he's just being that rascally Trump" explanation isn't an explanation at all.

9282

[Taernath]

It's new. She bestowed herself with 8th and 9th fake doctorates last night so she graduated to new terms. This time in political science and psychology! I'm wondering how many it'll take to realize that she's only around because the Eugenics movement kind of petered out when some Germans decided to go all in on it a ways back.

Nah the politics thing isn't new. She said she used to work in the Pentagon or something.

[time4fun]

It's new. She bestowed herself with 8th and 9th fake doctorates last night so she graduated to new terms. This time in political science and psychology! I'm wondering how many it'll take to realize that she's only around because the Eugenics movement kind of petered out when some Germans decided to go all in on it a ways back.

You have this tell when you're clearly wrong or are facing information you can't genuinely respond to- you start making things up about the person you're talking to.

But don't worry- it's not sad and pathetic at all!

[Wrathbringer]

You have this tell when you're clearly wrong or are facing information you can't genuinely respond to- you start making things up about the person you're talking to.

But don't worry- it's not sad and pathetic at all!

The only person here who is sad and pathetic is you. Everyone agrees, yet you stay and keep posting. Why? For our entertainment? Then thank you. :lol:

[Stumplicker]

You have this tell when you're clearly wrong or are facing information you can't genuinely respond to- you start making things up about the person you're talking to.

But don't worry- it's not sad and pathetic at all!

I'm sure everyone you've ever met that told you you were stupid was "clearly wrong". Where there's smoke, there's fire. What I'm saying is, I would laugh if somebody set you on fire. You fool nobody with your fictional education or your superiority complex. The saddest part of you not having any self awareness is that you'll never realize that you're a dog-shit human being and will therefore never stand a chance at improving yourself.

[Astray]

I'm sure everyone you've ever met that told you you were stupid was "clearly wrong". Where there's smoke, there's fire. What I'm saying is, I would laugh if somebody set you on fire. You fool nobody with your fictional education or your unearned superiority complex. The saddest part of you not having any self awareness is that you'll never realize that you're a dog-shit human being and will therefore never stand a chance at improving yourself.

Oof

[Wrathbringer]

Oof

well, he's not wrong

[Astray]

https://i.imgflip.com/2vcn1b.jpg

[LaVerdad]

I'm sure everyone you've ever met that told you you were stupid was "clearly wrong". Where there's smoke, there's fire. What I'm saying is, I would laugh if somebody set you on fire. You fool nobody with your fictional education or your superiority complex. The saddest part of you not having any self awareness is that you'll never realize that you're a dog-shit human being and will therefore never stand a chance at improving yourself.

I like where this is going.
https://meme.xyz/uploads/posts/t/l-18580-i-like-where-this-is-going.jpg

[Methais]

While I appreciate the fact that you're the only person who has had the guts to attempt to explain away the incredibly damning situation, there are a few things that need to be pointed out:

1) Lying about the existence of the deal during the campaign is one thing- and yes may very well be legal. (Though HUGELY unethical, to say the least) But you definitely could argue that he lied to win the election- nothing too crazy there, right? But after he had already won, he then directed people to lie to Congress about the deal. THAT is VERY illegal and runs afoul a few laws, risking prison time, impeachment, etc. If there was nothing untoward going on, then there's really no rational reason for him to have taken the huge risks he took (not to mention the people he directed to lie *cough*Cohen*cough*). He wanted that kept a secret for a reason, and there's no other obvious motive aside from it being part of something more scandalous than lying to Congress, obstruction of justice, etc.

2) The sentiment that Trump will make a better deal if he can is great, but it's completely irrelevant to the foreign policy and candidate narrative decisions I outlined. In terms of "being played by Russia"- that argument only makes sense if candidate Trump had a relationship with Russia that involved them trying to direct his foreign policy positions. And that- of course- lands us right back into collusion territory.

And these two points you raise still don't do anything to explain away the rest of the equation:

1) Why was Trump actively covering for Putin's election meddling when he knew- from the Russian government itself- that the meddling was going on?
2) How did Trump just magically end up arriving at the exact foreign policy positions Putin wanted when there was zero benefit to the United States AND when those positions were actually incredibly risky, politically? US Presidential candidates don't attack NATO. EVERYONE in the Western world wants Ukraine suitably armed so Russia doesn't invade the rest of it. There was obvious disincentive for Trump to take these positions, and, yet, he took them. And what possible incentive was there to roll back sanctions levied for election meddling? There was NO deal- Russia didn't give up a single thing. (At least, not to the United States government) And if he was doing it because he strongly believed it was the "right" thing to do (which, by itself should send chills down anyone's spine)- why did he rush to do it in secret? That's not really his style, is it?

And, of course, it doesn't explain why Trump lied repeatedly about his contacts with Russia (and those of his campaign), nor does it explain why the top levels of his campaign were so eager to accept help from our greatest geopolitical ally during the campaign (PS they had been warned by the FBI that Russia would try do to just that, and they had been instructed to contact the FBI immediately- which, of course, they didn't). Nor does it explain why he and his campaign lied about that as well.

Again, I appreciate your attempt. But your "Oh he's just being that rascally Trump" explanation isn't an explanation at all.

TR;DR

Also, you should consider getting a life.

[Methais]

You have this tell when you're clearly wrong or are facing information you can't genuinely respond to- you start making things up about the person you're talking to.

But don't worry- it's not sad and pathetic at all!

You mean like when you got called out for being wrong after you non-sarcastically said that Blizzard pays $5m a month per WoW server because some blog on the first result of Google said so, and then you responded by saying you were being sarcastic and insulting people for not being able to tell, despite the fact that there was literally zero sarcasm in said post and you were being 100% serious?

Remember that, dumbass?

But don’t worry- it’s not sad and pathetic at all!

[Fortybox]

You mean like when you got called out for being wrong after you non-sarcastically said that Blizzard pays $5m a month per WoW server because some blog on the first result of Google said so, and then you responded by saying you were being sarcastic and insulting people for not being able to tell, despite the fact that there was literally zero sarcasm in said post and you were being 100% serious?

Remember that, dumbass?

But don’t worry- it’s not sad and pathetic at all!

:lol:

[Parkbandit]

You mean like when you got called out for being wrong after you non-sarcastically said that Blizzard pays $5m a month per WoW server because some blog on the first result of Google said so, and then you responded by saying you were being sarcastic and insulting people for not being able to tell, despite the fact that there was literally zero sarcasm in said post and you were being 100% serious?

Remember that, dumbass?

But don’t worry- it’s not sad and pathetic at all!

Wait.. was that here or on lnet?

[Gelston]

Wait.. was that here or on lnet?

Here.

[Taernath]

Wait.. was that here or on lnet?

http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?117883-1206-jackpot&p=2063709#post2063709

[Androidpk]

Wait.. was that here or on lnet?

http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?110469-Russia-Investigation-Heating-Up&p=2088401#post2088401

[Wrathbringer]

http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?117883-1206-jackpot&p=2063709#post2063709

LOL the few pages following that where everyone calls her out for being way off while she tries to play it off are hilarious. What an idiot. :lol: Also, you'll note that her first post puts the price at $51,000,000 a month. She then changes to $5m and is wrong again. :lol:

[Tgo01]

LOL the few pages following that where everyone calls her out for being way off while she tries to play it off are hilarious. What an idiot. :lol:

She even "clarified" that her original comment was just hyperbole and that the REAL number is 5 million dollars a month. She then went into "I'm so smart and you're all so stupid" mode after that.

What a shit show.

[Taernath]

LOL the few pages following that where everyone calls her out for being way off while she tries to play it off are hilarious. What an idiot. :lol: Also, you'll note that her first post puts the price at $51,000,000 a month. She then changes to $5m and is wrong again. :lol:

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-squeaky-wheel/201811/why-its-so-hard-some-people-admit-they-were-wrong


... Some people have such a fragile ego, such brittle self-esteem, such a weak "psychological constitution," that admitting they made a mistake or that they were wrong is fundamentally too threatening for their egos to tolerate. Accepting they were wrong, absorbing that reality, would be so psychologically shattering, their defense mechanisms do something remarkable to avoid doing so — they literally distort their perception of reality to make it (reality) less threatening. Their defense mechanisms protect their fragile ego by changing the very facts in their mind, so they are no longer wrong or culpable.

I think of that whenever I see her doubling/tripling/quadrupling down on something.

Like those big tiddy lactating Aka men.

[Wrathbringer]

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-squeaky-wheel/201811/why-its-so-hard-some-people-admit-they-were-wrong



I think of that whenever I see her doubling/tripling/quadrupling down on something.

Like those big tiddy lactating Aka men.

:lol:

[Stumplicker]

Don't forget the time she claimed that the military sent stormtroopers to the border of Mexico to intimidate refugees into turning back.

[Seizer]

Don't forget the time she claimed that the military sent stormtroopers to the border of Mexico to intimidate refugees into turning back.
Shut up MacGuyver. Still waiting for an answer.
http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?118330-The-Stupidity-from-Ocasio-Cortez&p=2089451#post2089451

[Stumplicker]

Shut up MacGuyver. Still waiting for an answer.
http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?118330-The-Stupidity-from-Ocasio-Cortez&p=2089451#post2089451

You got it. I just responded by asking where you made your fantasy fact up.

[Methais]

http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?110469-Russia-Investigation-Heating-Up&p=2088401#post2088401

Someone's feelings are still hurt over time4fun saying you're stupid. :lol:

White knighting isn't the answer, even if you do think it'll get her to take it easy on your colon tonight.

[time4fun]

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-squeaky-wheel/201811/why-its-so-hard-some-people-admit-they-were-wrong



I think of that whenever I see her doubling/tripling/quadrupling down on something.

Like those big tiddy lactating Aka men.

LMAO

Oh irony. You're either choosing to ignore or- let's be generous- have forgotten the part where I expressly said they get their milk from their mothers, but men breastfeed them while the women are out hunting.

And this coming from a guy who defended Stump when he said Noam Chompsky was an Anthropologist.

Sorry, I just need to ask you one more time- which online University did you get your Anthro degree from?

And I'd love to hear which part of the Russia investigation argument I'm wrong on. I'll wait.

[Methais]

Wait.. was that here or on lnet?

Just in case she decides to PK the posts...


You realize that's about what Blizzard spends per minute to run one of their servers, right?

Please tell me you don't think Stillfront is paying $1200 a month for servers.


hyperbole honey. look it up.

They pay about $5m a month per server, I believe.




Yeah, the first one should have been for "their" server. And it's what they pay in hardware infra costs to keep WoW going.

And I don't know how to explain sarcasm to you, so you'll just have to live with the second one.

I know you're desperate to finally win an argument, but this is sad.

[Stumplicker]

And this coming from a guy who defended Stump when he said Noam Chompsky was an Anthropologist.


Nonexistent source link? And it's CHOMsky you fucking toolbag.

[Methais]

LMAO

Oh irony. You're either choosing to ignore or- let's be generous- have forgotten the part where I expressly said they get their milk from their mothers, but men breastfeed them while the women are out hunting.

And this coming from a guy who defended Stump when he said Noam Chompsky was an Anthropologist.

Sorry, I just need to ask you one more time- which online University did you get your Anthro degree from?

And I'd love to hear which part of the Russia investigation argument I'm wrong on. I'll wait.

Let's start with this:


Except you weren't defining sex properly. Because the situations I gave you would change neither someone's gender nor their sex. So I'm not sure why you thought that was an effective rebuttal.

Breasts are fat. Yes. And men can nurse babies- did you know that? There's a culture in existence right now that has- as far back as any of them can remember- always had men breastfeeding babies instead of women. So I ask you again- if a man is overweight and has breasts- which are capable of lactating and feeding a baby- are they a woman? If not- what makes a someone a woman?

GENETICS! Except...not really. Not only is it circular reasoning for you to just claim you're a man because of your genes, but it's also patently untrue. Or are you under the impression that men can't have two X chromosomes? Or that having an X and Y chromosome always means you have male reproductive organs? Neither of those statements is true, by the way.

And that doesn't explain the numerous societies across time and space that have had more than two genders (the sex/gender divide is a relatively new western conception, btw, and in many ways sex is actually the product of gender).

And don't play victim- you came out swinging by comparing anyone who recognizes gender as a spectrum with flat-earthers. So you lost the high ground from the start.

Finally I hate to break it to you, but in this situation you're the flat-earther. And it's more than a little concerning that you are so deeply threatened by the realities of gender expression in humans. I'm not sure why you need it to be simpler than it is, but your needs don't dictate reality.


Is this the Aka? Because if it is, that's a wildly inaccurate description of what's actually happening.

She bailed after this, but pretty sure there was more stuff before, like her suddenly pulling an Anthopology degree out of her pocket so she still knows better than Taernath, who actually has a real Anthropology degree. A real one.


There's a culture in existence right now that has- as far back as any of them can remember- always had men breastfeeding babies instead of women.


I expressly said they get their milk from their mothers, but men breastfeed them while the women are out hunting.


There's a culture in existence right now that has- as far back as any of them can remember- always had men breastfeeding babies instead of women.


I expressly said they get their milk from their mothers, but men breastfeed them while the women are out hunting.


There's a culture in existence right now that has- as far back as any of them can remember- always had men breastfeeding babies instead of women.


I expressly said they get their milk from their mothers, but men breastfeed them while the women are out hunting.


There's a culture in existence right now that has- as far back as any of them can remember- always had men breastfeeding babies instead of women.


I expressly said they get their milk from their mothers, but men breastfeed them while the women are out hunting.

You get the idea. :lol:

What a stupid cuntwaffle.

[time4fun]

Nonexistent source link? And it's CHOMsky you fucking toolbag.

ROFL You claimed it on LNET, and you know it. And let's review your last week or so:

1) You incorrectly made the claim that Trump not being in jail means that there's not enough evidence to demonstrate collusion. That's incorrect.
2) You claimed that Mueller and the DoJ could put Trump in jail- which is abjectly false.
3) You implicitly questioned the idea that Trump's foreign policy goals were in line with Russia's goals and out of sync with US needs. You were summarily corrected.
4) When I corrected you- you falsely- and inexplicably- claimed I hadn't answered the question.
5) You also implicitly argued that climate-change-related human displacement isn't a big issue the UN has been reporting on for years. You were corrected.
6) You then pretended like you had asked me for a source because you had....already read a source? That was just you being ridiculous though.
7) You then cited an iDMC article that you believed countered the notion of climate-change-related displacement even though it clearly indicated the biggest issue right now was the result of rural to urban migration- which has been heavily driven by climate-change. Which you would have realized if you had actually read the source you pretended you had read.

Quite the week Stumpy. Maybe you should go read that Psych today article yourself.

[Tgo01]

Let's start with this:





She bailed after this, but pretty sure there was more stuff before, like her suddenly pulling an Anthopology degree out of her pocket so she still knows better than Taernath, who actually has a real Anthropology degree.

And in case she edits the post like 3 posts up or something:







I expressly said they get their milk from their mothers, but men breastfeed them while the women are out hunting.[/color]









You get the idea. :lol:

What a stupid cuntwaffle.

A simple "My bad, I worded that wrong, what I meant to say was..." But she can't even do that. Even all these months later she still can't just admit she was wrong and is pretending she never said the men of the tribe breastfeed the babies INSTEAD of the women and in the next sentence talks about men lactating, heavily implying she was was referring to the aforementioned men as lactating and feeding the babies.

But she can't admit she was wrong because that goes against her "I'm so smart and you're all so dumb" shtick.

[Androidpk]

Shut up MacGuyver. Still waiting for an answer.
http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?118330-The-Stupidity-from-Ocasio-Cortez&p=2089451#post2089451

Stumplicker/flimbo/wesley is macgyver? That actually makes a whole lot of sense..

[Stumplicker]

ROFL You claimed it on LNET, and you know it. And let's review your last week or so:

1) You incorrectly made the claim that Trump not being in jail means that there's not enough evidence to demonstrate collusion. That's incorrect.
2) You claimed that Mueller and the DoJ could put Trump in jail- which is abjectly false.
3) You implicitly questioned the idea that Trump's foreign policy goals were in line with Russia's goals and out of sync with US needs. You were summarily corrected.
4) When I corrected you- you falsely- and inexplicably- claimed I hadn't answered the question.
5) You also implicitly argued that climate-change-related human displacement isn't a big issue the UN has been reporting on for years. You were corrected.
6) You then pretended like you had asked me for a source because you had....already read a source? That was just you being ridiculous though.
7) You then cited an iDMC article that you believed countered the notion of climate-change-related displacement even though it clearly indicated the biggest issue right now was the result of rural to urban migration- which has been heavily driven by climate-change. Which you would have realized if you had actually read the source you pretended you had read.

Quite the week Stumpy. Maybe you should go read that Psych today article yourself.

Literally none of that is correct. You're just caught in a moronic comment again and trying to change the topic now. What's your source for anyone claiming Noam Chomsky is an Anthropologist? Or as you seem to think his name is, Chompsky? You have a fake anthropology doctorate. This should be easy for you.

[Stumplicker]

Stumplicker/flimbo/wesley is macgyver? That actually makes a whole lot of sense..

Yes. I'm also 500 other accounts, even ones that were here during my decade-long absence. In fact, everyone who's ever said anything mean to you has been me.

[Methais]

Stumplicker/flimbo/wesley is macgyver? That actually makes a whole lot of sense..

You're macguyver. And macgayver.

[Taernath]

Let's start with this:


FUCK I was typing up a long post but Methais beat me to it.

Also her repeatedly referring to Noam Chomsky as "Chompsky" while claiming to hold a doctorate in a field that Chomsky is revered in is triggering the shit out of me right now.

[Methais]

ROFL You claimed it on LNET, and you know it. And let's review your last week or so:

1) You incorrectly made the claim that Trump not being in jail means that there's not enough evidence to demonstrate collusion. That's incorrect.
2) You claimed that Mueller and the DoJ could put Trump in jail- which is abjectly false.
3) You implicitly questioned the idea that Trump's foreign policy goals were in line with Russia's goals and out of sync with US needs. You were summarily corrected.
4) When I corrected you- you falsely- and inexplicably- claimed I hadn't answered the question.
5) You also implicitly argued that climate-change-related human displacement isn't a big issue the UN has been reporting on for years. You were corrected.
6) You then pretended like you had asked me for a source because you had....already read a source? That was just you being ridiculous though.
7) You then cited an iDMC article that you believed countered the notion of climate-change-related displacement even though it clearly indicated the biggest issue right now was the result of rural to urban migration- which has been heavily driven by climate-change. Which you would have realized if you had actually read the source you pretended you had read.

Quite the week Stumpy. Maybe you should go read that Psych today article yourself.

You can always tell when time4fun is putting forth extra effort to talk out of her gaping ass (which has never passed a log btw, which really explains a lot of things) over some shit she knows she's wrong and/or lying about by the ROFL and/or Oh honey... opener. :lol:

The more you ROFL oh honey, the more full of shit you are. I know you have no self awareness at all, so thought you might like to know.

[Methais]

FUCK I was typing up a long post but Methais beat me to it.

Also her repeatedly misspelling Noam Chomsky as "Chompsky" while claiming to hold a doctorate in a field that Chomsky is revered in is triggering the shit out of me right now.

https://media.giphy.com/media/vk7VesvyZEwuI/giphy.gif

[Gelston]

Puppymonkeybaby

[Taernath]

https://media.giphy.com/media/vk7VesvyZEwuI/giphy.gif

I am positively apoplectic.

You know who "Chompsky" is? It's a fucking dog with a blog.

http://chompsky.tumblr.com/

[Methais]

I am positively apoplectic.

You know who "Chompsky" is? It's a fucking dog with a blog.

http://chompsky.tumblr.com/

I'll bet you 10 Simucoins that time4fun either disappears again and comes back in like a week with a new job and/or PhD, or just ignores the post and pretends she never saw it while sharting her stupidity all over the place.

Apparently she still thinks everyone else is as stupid as she is.

[Parkbandit]

http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?110469-Russia-Investigation-Heating-Up&p=2088401#post2088401

LOL.. you're still on that? Dude, I was wrong. There are 9 Justices to the Supreme Court.

It's ok... I've been wrong before, I'll be wrong again.

See how easy that is? I don't try to double down on it. I didn't blame it on a typo. I didn't blame it on anything other than I was just wrong.

Now.. let's hope you've learned something from this and the next time you are wrong.. which will be any second now.. you can be a man and just admit it.

I doubt it though.

[Parkbandit]

http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?117883-1206-jackpot&p=2063709#post2063709

God damn.. I can't believe I missed that hilarity. I thought all this time it was on lnet.

[Parkbandit]

LMAO

Oh irony. You're either choosing to ignore or- let's be generous- have forgotten the part where I expressly said they get their milk from their mothers, but men breastfeed them while the women are out hunting.

And this coming from a guy who defended Stump when he said Noam Chompsky was an Anthropologist.

Sorry, I just need to ask you one more time- which online University did you get your Anthro degree from?

And I'd love to hear which part of the Russia investigation argument I'm wrong on. I'll wait.

Oh honey,

You didn't until you were called out for it and then had to go back to your google source for more information... realized how wrong you were.. then attempted to "clarify" your real position.

ROFL.

Stop.

[Parkbandit]

Stumplicker/flimbo/wesley is macgyver? That actually makes a whole lot of sense..

No. Macguyver is Macguyver and 100x other logins.

Stumplicker/Fimbo/Wesley/Neff is another retard with Identity Dysphoria Syndrome.

[Androidpk]

LOL.. you're still on that? Dude, I was wrong. There are 9 Justices to the Supreme Court.

It's ok... I've been wrong before, I'll be wrong again.

See how easy that is? I don't try to double down on it. I didn't blame it on a typo. I didn't blame it on anything other than I was just wrong.

Now.. let's hope you've learned something from this and the next time you are wrong.. which will be any second now.. you can be a man and just admit it.

I doubt it though.

It isn't too late for you to sign up for a basic community college class on government 101. Considering how much time you spend trolling here it would be worth it so at least you can pretend to know what you're talking about.

[Parkbandit]

It isn't too late for you to sign up for a basic community college class on government 101. Considering how much time you spend trolling here it would be worth it so at least you can pretend to know what you're talking about.

Why would I? It was just a simple mistake. 7 instead of 9.

It's ok. I'm fine with making mistakes like that, you know why? Because I have a good family, a good job and a good life. If I make just a simple mistake on a roleplaying forum about how many justices there are.. I get over it pretty quickly.

But it's clear why you can't admit when you are wrong now.. given this is the best you have going on in your life.

I've never, ever had someone on this forum beg me to let them give me a ride to Goodwill for an interview.. to live with them while not paying my fair share.. slept with a married woman only to cry to my roommate when she broke my heart... then steal shit from her to "get even".

If you weren't so god damn retarded in every post you made, you would have my pity.

But I just can't muster up enough emotions for someone like you. It would be a complete waste.

A complete waste like you.

[Parkbandit]

She bailed after this, but pretty sure there was more stuff before, like her suddenly pulling an Anthopology degree out of her pocket so she still knows better than Taernath, who actually has a real Anthropology degree. A real one.
You get the idea. :lol:

What a stupid cuntwaffle.

This is, perhaps, the greatest quoted post in the history of posts.

Either she has no memory of how this went down... English is like her 4th language and has a remedial level of it... or she's suffering from an acute case of Dunning–Kruger.

Now, I'm guessing she will somehow go with English is my 2nd language, giving her an easy out.. but then she would have to admit she's wrong.. which will never happen...

So yea, she will suddenly grow absent here for a week and come back telling us all about her new promotion/PhD/vacation/etc...

OR... she will pretend this thread never happened and avoid all posts pertaining to lactating men breastfeeding babies..

[Methais]

It isn't too late for you to sign up for a basic community college class on government 101. Considering how much time you spend trolling here it would be worth it so at least you can pretend to know what you're talking about.

Or he could have done what you do and just scrub the post and then pretend he never said it.

Because you're a nutless tard.

[Androidpk]

Why would I? It was just a simple mistake. 7 instead of 9.

It's ok. I'm fine with making mistakes like that, you know why? Because I have a good family, a good job and a good life. If I make just a simple mistake on a roleplaying forum about how many justices there are.. I get over it pretty quickly.

But it's clear why you can't admit when you are wrong now.. given this is the best you have going on in your life.

I've never, ever had someone on this forum beg me to let them give me a ride to Goodwill for an interview.. to live with them while not paying my fair share.. slept with a married woman only to cry to my roommate when she broke my heart... then steal shit from her to "get even".

If you weren't so god damn retarded in every post you made, you would have my pity.

But I just can't muster up enough emotions for someone like you. It would be a complete waste.

A complete waste like you.

Yes, yes, unleash that impotent rage!

[Parkbandit]

Yes, yes, unleash that impotent rage!

What rage? I'm just literally telling it like it is.

You aren't worthy of pity.. you certainly aren't worthy of rage.

Sorry.. you literally are nothing here... just like your real life.

[Androidpk]

What rage? I'm just literally telling it like it is.

You aren't worthy of pity.. you certainly aren't worthy of rage.

Sorry.. you literally are nothing here... just like your real life.

Says the dude who's been obsessed with my life for the past 6 years.. GTFO with your BS :lol2:

[Parkbandit]

Says the dude who's been making fun of my pathetic life for the past 6 years.. I know, I'm a fucking loser.

FTFY.

Stop using "obsessed". It would mean you aren't a pathetic loser and we both know you are.

[Wrathbringer]

I notice that time4dung hasn't responded to the direct quotes of her being retarded. When she does, I predict she'll say "oh honey, LMAO" then try to change the subject because it's impossible for her to admit when she's wrong, which is all the time.

[Parkbandit]

I notice that time4dung hasn't responded to the direct quotes of her being retarded. When she does, I predict she'll say "oh honey, LMAO" then try to change the subject because it's impossible for her to admit when she's wrong, which is all the time.

Yea.. thanks a lot.

You assholes scared her off again.. now we are going to have to wait for a week or two until she comes back after she thinks people forgot how god fucking stupid she is...

And I blame you people for ruining a perfectly entertaining thread.

[Androidpk]

I am a lazy, pathetic, unhinged, bigoted, racist, homophobic, trash talking loser.

Yes, we know.

[Ashlander]

I am positively apoplectic.

You know who "Chompsky" is? It's a fucking dog with a blog.

http://chompsky.tumblr.com/

Is he an anthropologist?

[Stumplicker]

Is he an anthropologist?

Different kind. He's a dog, so he's a Biological Anthropologist. Chomsky is generally brought up in Linguistic Anthropology.

[Methais]

I notice that time4dung hasn't responded to the direct quotes of her being retarded. When she does, I predict she'll say "oh honey, LMAO" then try to change the subject because it's impossible for her to admit when she's wrong, which is all the time.


I'll bet you 10 Simucoins that time4fun either disappears again and comes back in like a week with a new job and/or PhD, or just ignores the post and pretends she never saw it while sharting her stupidity all over the place.

Apparently she still thinks everyone else is as stupid as she is.

^

[Parkbandit]

I am the biggest loser on these boards. I stay inside all day and pretend that I have a "cyber security" job.. but really, I just get pegged by time4fun in lieu of couch rent money.

Yes, we know.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I would be a huge fan of all these investigations if everyone in Congress had to be put under the scrutiny that Trump has been the past two years. Can you imagine the shit that would turn up on these career "public servants"?

Let's pretend there is actually something in the Mueller report (we all know there isn't)... Trump gets what? Impeached? Jail time? Does it matter? Obama's 8 years of fuckall has effectively been rolled back with the sole exception being Obamacare, and it's no legacy. Then, we all get Mike Pence for the remainder of the term. And if he plays his cards right, he'll mud stomp all the incredibly crazy far far left candidates.

Not like anything is going to come out of this though. Dems are killing themselves with how deranged they've become, and I guarantee this will boomerang on them in 2020. You can't go full retard without repercussions.

[Wrathbringer]

I would be a huge fan of all these investigations if everyone in Congress had to be put under the scrutiny that Trump has been the past two years. Can you imagine the shit that would turn up on these career "public servants"?

Let's pretend there is actually something in the Mueller report (we all know there isn't)... Trump gets what? Impeached? Jail time? Does it matter? Obama's 8 years of fuckall has effectively been rolled back with the sole exception being Obamacare, and it's no legacy. Then, we all get Mike Pence for the remainder of the term. And if he plays his cards right, he'll mud stomp all the incredibly crazy far far left candidates.

Not like anything is going to come out of this though. Dems are killing themselves with how deranged they've become, and I guarantee this will boomerang on them in 2020. You can't go full retard without repercussions.

This is all correct.

[~Rocktar~]

I would be a huge fan of all these investigations if everyone in Congress had to be put under the scrutiny that Trump has been the past two years. Can you imagine the shit that would turn up on these career "public servants"?

Let's pretend there is actually something in the Mueller report (we all know there isn't)... Trump gets what? Impeached? Jail time? Does it matter? Obama's 8 years of fuckall has effectively been rolled back with the sole exception being Obamacare, and it's no legacy. Then, we all get Mike Pence for the remainder of the term. And if he plays his cards right, he'll mud stomp all the incredibly crazy far far left candidates.

Not like anything is going to come out of this though. Dems are killing themselves with how deranged they've become, and I guarantee this will boomerang on them in 2020. You can't go full retard without repercussions.


https://youtu.be/1Y3FzVQi-R8

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

https://youtu.be/1Y3FzVQi-R8

OMG blackface. He should run for office.

[ClydeR]

Let's pretend there is actually something in the Mueller report (we all know there isn't)... Trump gets what? Impeached? Jail time? Does it matter? Obama's 8 years of fuckall has effectively been rolled back with the sole exception being Obamacare, and it's no legacy. Then, we all get Mike Pence for the remainder of the term. And if he plays his cards right, he'll mud stomp all the incredibly crazy far far left candidates.

Not like anything is going to come out of this though. Dems are killing themselves with how deranged they've become, and I guarantee this will boomerang on them in 2020. You can't go full retard without repercussions.


Exactly! This is what winning looks like. Immigration, trade, North Korea, budget.. you name it, and Trump is winning it! Trump predicted when he was a candidate we would win so much that Americans would get tired of winning. Are you tired yet?

[Parkbandit]

Exactly! This is what winning looks like. Immigration, trade, North Korea, budget.. you name it, and Trump is winning it! Trump predicted when he was a candidate we would win so much that Americans would get tired of winning. Are you tired yet?

Shut up Fallen.

[Androidpk]

Let's pretend there is actually something in the Mueller report (we all know there isn't)

We? You suddenly speak for everyone now? GTFO

As for Democrats killing themselves apparently you missed the recent midterm elections where the Democrats had a massive blue wave because Americans around the country are sick and tired of Trump and the GOP's un-American bullshit. Trump is getting the boot and Pence will get dragged down with him because everything Trump touches dies. A fitting end to the GOP as it currently stands.

[~Rocktar~]

We? You suddenly speak for everyone now? GTFO

As for Democrats killing themselves apparently you missed the recent midterm elections where the Democrats had a massive blue wave because Americans around the country are sick and tired of Trump and the GOP's un-American bullshit. Trump is getting the boot and Pence will get dragged down with him because everything Trump touches dies. A fitting end to the GOP as it currently stands.


https://youtu.be/1Y3FzVQi-R8

[Neveragain]

We? You suddenly speak for everyone now? GTFO

As for Democrats killing themselves apparently you missed the recent midterm elections where the Democrats had a massive blue wave because Americans around the country are sick and tired of Trump and the GOP's un-American bullshit. Trump is getting the boot and Pence will get dragged down with him because everything Trump touches dies. A fitting end to the GOP as it currently stands.

Quoted for when Trump wins his 2nd term.

[Wrathbringer]

We? You suddenly speak for everyone now? GTFO

As for Democrats killing themselves apparently you missed the recent midterm elections where the Democrats had a massive blue wave because Americans around the country are sick and tired of Trump and the GOP's un-American bullshit. Trump is getting the boot and Pence will get dragged down with him because everything Trump touches dies. A fitting end to the GOP as it currently stands.

you are an extremely stupid person.

[Wrathbringer]

Exactly! This is what winning looks like. Immigration, trade, North Korea, budget.. you name it, and Trump is winning it! Trump predicted when he was a candidate we would win so much that Americans would get tired of winning. Are you tired yet?

Nope. #4moreyearsofliberalbutthurt

[Candor]

Trump is getting the boot and Pence will get dragged down with him because everything Trump touches dies. A fitting end to the GOP as it currently stands.

Do I really need to go and find some quotes before the 2016 election about how Trump didn't stand a chance of winning?

Unless Trump is impeached, he is going to be reelected. Feel free to quote me in November 2020.

[Taernath]

Do I really need to go and find some quotes before the 2016 election about how Trump didn't stand a chance of winning?

Unless Trump is impeached, he is going to be reelected. Feel free to quote me in November 2020.

So you're saying he doesn't have a chance of losing?

[Wrathbringer]

So you're saying he doesn't have a chance of losing?

At this point I'd say that. Who is in at this point that could beat him?

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

We? You suddenly speak for everyone now? GTFO

As for Democrats killing themselves apparently you missed the recent midterm elections where the Democrats had a massive blue wave because Americans around the country are sick and tired of Trump and the GOP's un-American bullshit.

Yes, I speak for everyone.

The "massive blue wave" you talk about, was going to be bigger, until dems threw themselves on the bonfire that was Kavanaugh. 2 additional years of hypocrisy (like black face governors, rapist lt. governors, jew hating radicals, anything AOC says, stupid lies and grandstanding like Harris, Booker and pocahontas do, Hillary coming up with her 10th or 20th reason she lost and gaslighting the news cycles, massive companies fleeing major metropolitan areas because radicals drive them out... you know, those things) will only galvanize the right.

You know how I know? Because this is exactly how Obama got a second term.

[Taernath]

At this point I'd say that. Who is in at this point that could beat him?

At this point, probably no one. The democrats still have to unify their message and choose their guy though. We've still got a year and a half.

[Gelston]

At this point, probably no one. The democrats still have to unify their message and choose their guy though. We've still got a year and a half.

Guy? GUY?

[Taernath]

Guy? GUY?

*Xir, thank you Gelston

[Wrathbringer]

At this point, probably no one. The democrats still have to unify their message and choose their guy though. We've still got a year and a half.

OMG YOU SEXIST BIGOT!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111

Having said that, i think only Joe Biden has a chance but he's an old white guy and dems hate those now so maybe not. Then again, he worked for a black guy so maybe.

[Parkbandit]

We? You suddenly speak for everyone now? GTFO

zero.self.awareness....


As for Democrats killing themselves apparently you missed the recent midterm elections where the Democrats had a massive blue wave because Americans around the country are sick and tired of Trump and the GOP's un-American bullshit. Trump is getting the boot and Pence will get dragged down with him because everything Trump touches dies. A fitting end to the GOP as it currently stands.

It was literally the "biggest election win in 40 decades"

[Parkbandit]

At this point, probably no one. The democrats still have to unify their message and choose their guy though. We've still got a year and a half.

What will their message be though? "Let's give socialism a chance... we can get it right THIS time!"

And you know who likes your "choose their guy"?

THIS GUY!

https://media.giphy.com/media/Kwi0Iu9MxxOgg/giphy.gif

[Taernath]

OMG YOU SEXIST BIGOT!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111

Having said that, i think only Joe Biden has a chance but he's an old white guy and dems hate those now so maybe not. Then again, he worked for a black guy so maybe.

Yeah I dunno. I haven't made up my mind yet. "Camel Spider" Harris might be my frontrunner.

[Taernath]

What will their message be though? "Let's give socialism a chance... we can get it right THIS time!"

And you know who likes your "choose their guy"?

THIS GUY!

https://media.giphy.com/media/Kwi0Iu9MxxOgg/giphy.gif

It's looking like most of the serious contenders are further left than last election, maybe Bernie-tier democratic socialism. Pretty good chance the ones who aren't are going to get burned away early. This is No Election For Old Democrats.

[Parkbandit]

Yeah I dunno. I haven't made up my mind yet. "Camel Spider" Harris might be my frontrunner.

She was my front runner.. but then she opened her mouth and reminded me how utterly stupid she is and it ruined it.

She's trying to out AOC AOC.. and you can't do that and be normal.

[Parkbandit]

It's looking like most of the serious contenders are further left than last election, maybe Bernie-tier democratic socialism. Pretty good chance the ones who aren't are going to get burned away early. This is No Election For Old Democrats.

And that doesn't concern you, as a Democrat, that your party has gone completely off track and veered 90 degrees left?

I don't see you being one of those followers.

Honestly, if Trump doesn't win, I hope Howard Schultz wins and the left and right will melt down almost as hard.

Just sit back and drink my Starbucks and enjoy the show.

[Stumplicker]

OMG YOU SEXIST BIGOT!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111

Having said that, i think only Joe Biden has a chance but he's an old white guy and dems hate those now so maybe not. Then again, he worked for a black guy so maybe.

He's just biden' his time.

[LaVerdad]

If Biden goes in, I believe the nickname Trump gives him will be "Creepy Joe"

[Taernath]

And that doesn't concern you, as a Democrat, that your party has gone completely off track and veered 90 degrees left?

I don't see you being one of those followers.

Honestly, if Trump doesn't win, I hope Howard Schultz wins and the left and right will melt down almost as hard.

Just sit back and drink my Starbucks and enjoy the show.

Nah it's about time the Left was actually Left. There are things they say that I disagree with or think they should tone down/rework but in general I'm for a leftward push. I think we talked about this before.

[Tgo01]

Nah it's about time the Left was actually Left. There are things they say that I disagree with or think they should tone down/rework but in general I'm for a leftward push. I think we talked about this before.

Yeah but Democrats haven't just had a leftward push, they have gone really far left in a shockingly short amount of time. Late term abortions, post birth abortions, talks of gun confiscation, pushes for hard core socialism, straight white males are the devil, pushing for ex-ISIS members to be welcomed back into the country, pushing for a Green New Deal that would require the government to pretty much seize control of the entire economy and of our lives, reparations for people who have never been slaves nor have ever known a slave.

And this isn't just some fringe talk anymore where we could say "Yeah but those are the crazies, no one listens to them." These are things either prominent Democrats in congress support, Democrat presidential candidates support, Democrat ran state governments have passed or support, or in some cases all 3. I guess it makes sense if these are things you agree with, but you never struck me as that type of Democrat. I could also understand if you're like "Yeah I don't agree with those things but I agree with the other things they are pushing for" except so far they haven't really pushed for anything else.

[Parkbandit]

Nah it's about time the Left was actually Left. There are things they say that I disagree with or think they should tone down/rework but in general I'm for a leftward push. I think we talked about this before.

But this isn't left for America.. which has generally been left of center.. this is left LEFT left... like socialism / communism left.

[Stumplicker]

Yeah but Democrats haven't just had a leftward push, they have gone really far left in a shockingly short amount of time. Late term abortions, post birth abortions, talks of gun confiscation, pushes for hard core socialism, straight white males are the devil, pushing for ex-ISIS members to be welcomed back into the country, pushing for a Green New Deal that would require the government to pretty much seize control of the entire economy and of our lives, reparations for people who have never been slaves nor have ever known a slave.

And this isn't just some fringe talk anymore where we could say "Yeah but those are the crazies, no one listens to them." These are things either prominent Democrats in congress support, Democrat presidential candidates support, Democrat ran state governments have passed or support, or in some cases all 3. I guess it makes sense if these are things you agree with, but you never struck me as that type of Democrat. I could also understand if you're like "Yeah I don't agree with those things but I agree with the other things they are pushing for" except so far they haven't really pushed for anything else.

Or....and I'm going out on a limb here because this is going to sound just ccrraaaazy....maybe the news you read is only the most shocking and headline-grabbing, because "Centrist Democrat makes middle of the road comment" doesn't get as many clicks as "DEMOCRATS WANT TO KILL YOUR BABIES AND EAT THEM AT THEIR COMMUNIST BARBECUES!".

You, as someone far on the other side of the political spectrum, seek out those stories, and there are plenty, because as I said, the other kind are boring and don't get printed as much. Unless you're claiming now that the news is fair and balanced and represents the majority without bias.

Yes, there has been a left shift in the younger democrats recently, but it's because the left has been far more centrist than left for the last good while.

Edit to add: Just as a quick example, how many news stories did you read about Gottheimer praising Trump or criticizing the Affordable Care Act? My guess is zero.

[Tgo01]

Or....and I'm going out on a limb here because this is going to sound just ccrraaaazy....maybe the news you read is only the most shocking and headline-grabbing, because "Centrist Democrat makes middle of the road comment" doesn't get as many clicks as "DEMOCRATS WANT TO KILL YOUR BABIES AND EAT THEM AT THEIR COMMUNIST BARBECUES!".

Well, sure. Name for me some things Democrat presidential candidates have pushed for so far that isn't something I already named or isn't equally as insane.


You, as someone far on the other side of the political spectrum, seek out those stories

No I don't. I read the news, from a variety of sources, and these are the stories that populate the headlines. When the media isn't slandering kids who attend a Catholic school, pushing obviously fake hate crime hoaxes such as Jussie Smollett's, they are pushing far left bullshit spewing out of Cortez's mouth, as well as from the mouths of Ilhan Omar, Pelosi, Kamala Harris, Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, and the rest of the far left crazies. Sure there a few moderate Democrats in congress, almost all of which come from swing districts who can't really risk going too far left because they'll be out of a job soon. But almost all of the entrenched Democrats, or ones who come from safely blue districts, are all spewing far left wing shit lately. The only exception would be Cortez's idea of the Green New Deal, where there is some resistance from Democrats, but all of the big names running for president have backed it.

[Stumplicker]

Well, sure. Name for me some things Democrat presidential candidates have pushed for so far that isn't something I already named or isn't equally as insane.

I haven't read much about what the Presidential candidates have said specifically yet because they're not yet campaigning. We get more than enough years of BS without starting early, so I'm abstaining until then. But I was just adding an example from my own Congressman to my previous post that I'm sure you never read about. Josh Gottheimer, Democrat, New Jersey, has criticized Obamacare, worked for the Clinton campaigns, agreed with investigations between Russian ties, and also and praised Trump. He also supports large public works projects and emphasis on mass transit. And I'm betting you read nothing about any of that, and may not even know who he is. Because those stories are boring.

[Tgo01]

I haven't read much about what the Presidential candidates have said specifically yet because they're not yet campaigning.

Really? You sit here and accuse me of just seeking out the worst of the worst stories and surely I'm just ignoring the more moderate proposals Democrats have backed lately and you come back with you haven't read much of what the presidential candidates have talked about lately because they're "not yet campaigning"? You being for real right now?

And you're absolutely right I have never heard of your Congressman so I looked him up and surprise surprise, his predecessor was a Republican. Like I said in my other post almost all of the moderate Democrats in congress come from districts that are swing districts because they can't stray too far left or they'll be out of a job in a year.

[LaVerdad]

You know what I think is sad right now.

Pelosi is a moderate democrat.

[Stumplicker]

Really? You sit here and accuse me of just seeking out the worst of the worst stories and surely I'm just ignoring the more moderate proposals Democrats have backed lately and you come back with you haven't read much of what the presidential candidates have talked about lately because they're "not yet campaigning"? You being for real right now?

Yes, I am for real right now. There's a very strong chance I've read things about a lot of the people who have come out and said they'll be running, but what I am saying is that I haven't gone out of my way to find out who's running yet, so beyond one or two people, I couldn't tell you who they are. I also won't look it up until primary season.

[Wrathbringer]

You know what I think is sad right now.

Pelosi is a moderate democrat.

No, she's not. She just happens to be one of the only adults in the democrap room right now.

[Tgo01]

And you're absolutely right I have never heard of your Congressman so I looked him up and surprise surprise, his predecessor was a Republican. Like I said in my other post almost all of the moderate Democrats in congress come from districts that are swing districts because they can't stray too far left or they'll be out of a job in a year.

Not only was his predecessor a Republican, but that seat has been held be a Republican for almost 90 years. I can't possibly imagine why this Democrat hasn't strayed too far to the left in his first year in office!

[Stumplicker]

And you're absolutely right I have never heard of your Congressman so I looked him up and surprise surprise, his predecessor was a Republican. Like I said in my other post almost all of the moderate Democrats in congress come from districts that are swing districts because they can't stray too far left or they'll be out of a job in a year.

Heavens to Betsy! You mean that some people in elected positions represent the views of the demographics in their districts? STOP THE PRESSES! People are definitely going to want to read about this instead of a crazy junior congresswoman and her eleventy-trillion dollar plan to save the whales.

New Jersey was pretty Republican until the mid 80s, when it started tipping over to the blue side. It's not quite a swing state, but it's definitely a slow swinging pendulum that stays kind've close to the middle a lot of the time.

[Tgo01]

Heaven's to Betsy! You mean that some people in elected positions represent the views of the demographics in their districts? STOP THE PRESSES! People are definitely going to want to read about this instead of a crazy junior congresswoman and her eleventy-trillion dollar plan to save the whales.

Tgo01: The only moderate Democrats left in congress anymore mostly come from swing districts.
Stumplicker: What about my Congressman? He supports Trump sometimes.
Tgo01: Your congressman is a first year House member who won in a district that has been Republican for almost 90 years, of course he's moderate.
Stumplicker: <insert sarcastic inane ramblings>

Glad we had this talk, Stumplicker.

[Stumplicker]

Tgo01: The only moderate Democrats left in congress anymore mostly come from swing districts.
Stumplicker: What about my Congressman? He supports Trump sometimes.
Tgo01: Your congressman is a first year House member who won in a district that has been Republican for almost 90 years, of course he's moderate.
Stumplicker: <insert sarcastic inane rambligns>

Glad we had this talk, Stumplicker.

Yeah, I saw you added that to your first post after I replied. Or maybe you were editing while I was replying. I'm not sure. Either way, you didn't say it initially.

The news prints what will get them clicks. Boring centrist stories don't get clicks. This isn't something that should surprise you.

[LaVerdad]

No, she's not. She just happens to be one of the only adults in the democrap room right now.

That's my point. I'd never in a million years think of her as a moderate.

[Stumplicker]

That's my point. I'd never in a million years think of her as a moderate.

I think she was on board with some of the New Wave stuff in the 90s that pushed Democrats further towards the center, but that's about it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Democrats

[Seizer]

Yeah, I saw you added that to your first post after I replied. Or maybe you were editing while I was replying. I'm not sure. Either way, you didn't say it initially.
The news prints what will get them clicks. Boring centrist stories don't get clicks. This isn't something that should surprise you.

That's my point. I'd never in a million years think of her as a moderate.
Hey look both Wesley accounts are going at the same time. Wonder if this will be like the Kierphe time and Ashliana?

[Tgo01]

Hey look both Wesley accounts are going at the same time. Wonder if this will be like the Kierphe time and Ashliana?

Is Stumplicker MacGuyver? Or is LeVerdad not MacGuyver?

[Stumplicker]

Is Stumplicker MacGuyver? Or is LeVerdad not MacGuyver?

That guy has claimed I'm just about every account on this forum.

Edit to add: Yes, Seizer. They're all me. Including the ones you claimed were me that were here and gone during my decade-long absense.

[LaVerdad]

I'm only me. And one other that I don't use, for fear of being doxed.

[Astray]

I'm only me. And one other that I don't use, for fear of being doxed.

Buy a gun.

[LaVerdad]

Buy a gun.

Another one? Geez.

[Back]

Yeah but Democrats haven't just had a leftward push, they have gone really far left in a shockingly short amount of time. Late term abortions, post birth abortions, talks of gun confiscation, pushes for hard core socialism, straight white males are the devil, pushing for ex-ISIS members to be welcomed back into the country, pushing for a Green New Deal that would require the government to pretty much seize control of the entire economy and of our lives, reparations for people who have never been slaves nor have ever known a slave.

https://media1.tenor.com/images/37311978e05f3ef620ebaf5bc5c74562/tenor.gif?itemid=10897423

[Tgo01]

https://media1.tenor.com/images/37311978e05f3ef620ebaf5bc5c74562/tenor.gif?itemid=10897423

Weird selection of items to disagree with. Like calling someone a smelly, thieving, no good scoundrel and he replies with "I'm not smelly!"

[Androidpk]

Remember that time Trump went further than Obama ever went regarding guns and said they could be seized and then due process could come later? good times.

[Tgo01]

Remember that time Trump went further than Obama ever went regarding guns and said they could be seized and then due process could come later? good times.

Remember when he quickly backed off that and never said anything remotely like that again? Good times.

[Androidpk]

Remember when he quickly backed off that and never said anything remotely like that again? Good times.

He then went on to ban bump stocks. Face it, Trump has been far worse on gun rights than Obama ever was. He's also gotten more abortions for his porn star/hooker hook ups than Obama ever had. Such a good role model for you conservatives!

[Astray]

He's also gotten more abortions for his porn star/hooker hook ups than Obama ever had.

Well, Obama is a man so giving him an abortion is pretty impossible.

[Tgo01]

He then went on to ban bump stocks.

Right because banning bump stocks is totally the same as confiscating guns. You're really bad at this. Like really, really, REALLY bad.

[Parkbandit]

He then went on to ban bump stocks. Face it, Trump has been far worse on gun rights than Obama ever was. He's also gotten more abortions for his porn star/hooker hook ups than Obama ever had. Such a good role model for you conservatives!

What? Didn't realize that a bump stock ban was a gun right... good to know.

And here's the biggest difference between Obama and Trump for me:

Obama gave us:

https://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/usa-court_sotomayor.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=618&h=410&crop=1

https://law.ucla.edu/~/media/Images/UCLA/Law/Component%20Data/News/2018/09%20-%20September/20180928%20JusticeElenaKagan.ashx


Trump gave us:
https://pixel.nymag.com/imgs/daily/intelligencer/2018/04/17/17-neil-gorsuch-scotus.w700.h700.jpg

https://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/2019/01/08/USAT/1783cc16-264c-43dc-b66f-6c85f7d40510-AP_Supreme_Court_Kavanaugh.2.jpg?crop=4887,2735,x0 ,y0&width=3200&height=1680&fit=bounds

PS - I made Justice Kavanaugh big because I know how much he triggers you.... in before you scream something about sexist/racist/gay/etc.... because you're so easily manipulated and predictable.

[LaVerdad]

I've never cared how many side-ho's politicians have... I do care about their policy though.

Also, if I were a billionaire playboy my whole life, I imagine I might have knocked the bottom out of a few playboy/pornstar hos myself.

[RichardCranium]

I've never cared how many side-ho's politicians have... I do care about their policy though.

Also, if I were a billionaire playboy my whole life, I imagine I might have knocked the bottom out of a few playboy/pornstar hos myself.

I thought you like the bbc.

[Gelston]

I thought the bump stock ban was a further erosion of gun rights. I disagree with it completely. That being said, 2nd Amendment rights aren't the only issue I look at and I still vastly prefer Trump over Hillary or Bernie.

[Parkbandit]

I thought the bump stock ban was a further erosion of gun rights. I disagree with it completely. That being said, 2nd Amendment rights aren't the only issue I look at and I still vastly prefer Trump over Hillary or Bernie.

I was of the thought that bumpstocks were circumventing the laws in place that ban auto rifles, so I was fine with it.

[Gelston]

I was of the thought that bumpstocks were circumventing the laws in place that ban auto rifles, so I was fine with it.

I think the ban on automatic rifles is Unconstitutional too.

But you don't actually even need a bump=stock to make a rifle fire as if you have one. You can stick your thumb in your belt while pushing forward on the rifle while firing from the hip. Same effect.

[Parkbandit]

I think the ban on automatic rifles is Unconstitutional too.

Yea, but it's the law of the land. Until it's shown to be unconstitutional (which I agree it is), it's still the law.


But you don't actually even need a bump=stock to make a rifle fire as if you have one. You can stick your thumb in your belt while pushing forward on the rifle while firing from the hip. Same effect.

There are plenty of work arounds...

[Gelston]

Yea, but it's the law of the land. Until it's shown to be unconstitutional (which I agree it is), it's still the law.



I wasn't saying it wasn't. I was saying I think it is Unconstitutional.

[Parkbandit]

I wasn't saying it wasn't. I was saying I think it is Unconstitutional.

We're in agreement... but I'm of the mind where I don't believe anyone here needs a fully automatic rifle.

But until they change the Constitution, it's is a right that is clearly being infringed.

[Gelston]

We're in agreement... but I'm of the mind where I don't believe anyone here needs a fully automatic rifle.

But until they change the Constitution, it's is a right that is clearly being infringed.

There are a lot of things that nobody needs. That is irrelevant.

I'm of the mind that the people who wrote the Constitution fully intended for the weapons you are allowed to have include the most modern weaponry available with no restrictions. These guys just got finished fighting off a tyrannical government, it was made to be a check on government.

[Methais]

We? You suddenly speak for everyone now? GTFO

He means "we" as in people who aren't mentally ill gigantic tards like you.


As for Democrats killing themselves apparently you missed the recent midterm elections where the Democrats had a massive blue wave because Americans around the country are sick and tired of Trump and the GOP's un-American bullshit.

Let's pretend that there isn't a flip in almost every president's first midterm. Remember that 2010 shellacking? OMG OBAMA'S GOING DOWNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!


Trump is getting the boot and Pence will get dragged down with him because everything Trump touches dies. A fitting end to the GOP as it currently stands.

Quoted for when this doesn't happen and you continue to be a massive butthurt scumbag tard with a severe case of chronic Trump Derangement Syndrome.

Also quoted because you're a loser. And losers lose. Because they're losers.

[Methais]

You know how I know? Because this is exactly how Obama got a second term.

TRUMP IS BLACK!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

[Methais]

*Xir, thank you Gelston

https://i.imgflip.com/2vl4gh.jpg

[Methais]

Weird selection of items to disagree with. Like calling someone a smelly, thieving, no good scoundrel and he replies with "I'm not smelly!"

I legit thought you were talking about PK at first.

I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he's not smelly though.

[Methais]

https://law.ucla.edu/~/media/Images/UCLA/Law/Component%20Data/News/2018/09%20-%20September/20180928%20JusticeElenaKagan.ashx

If Edith Bunker and Rocky Dennis had a kid together, with a dash of Vigo the Carpathian thrown in...

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/all-in-the-family-tv-show/images/c/c6/Edith_Bunker.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20121107095437

http://i.imgur.com/zVu0iDm.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/283198225/713200795132_400x400.jpg

[Androidpk]

What? Didn't realize that a bump stock ban was a gun right... good to know.

And here's the biggest difference between Obama and Trump for me:

Obama gave us:

https://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/usa-court_sotomayor.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=618&h=410&crop=1

https://law.ucla.edu/~/media/Images/UCLA/Law/Component%20Data/News/2018/09%20-%20September/20180928%20JusticeElenaKagan.ashx


Trump gave us:
https://pixel.nymag.com/imgs/daily/intelligencer/2018/04/17/17-neil-gorsuch-scotus.w700.h700.jpg

https://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/2019/01/08/USAT/1783cc16-264c-43dc-b66f-6c85f7d40510-AP_Supreme_Court_Kavanaugh.2.jpg?crop=4887,2735,x0 ,y0&width=3200&height=1680&fit=bounds

PS - I made Justice Kavanaugh big because I know how much he triggers you.... in before you scream something about sexist/racist/gay/etc.... because you're so easily manipulated and predictable.

I bet even Trump knew there were 9 SCOTUS judges.

[Tgo01]

I bet even Trump knew there were 9 SCOTUS judges.

He probably knew the US isn't 40 decades old too.

[Parkbandit]

I bet even Trump knew there were 9 SCOTUS judges.

OMG UR SO OBSESSED!

Also: You're a fucking retard.

[Seizer]

Is Stumplicker MacGuyver? Or is LeVerdad not MacGuyver?
I am beginning to wonder, I have no rock solid proof like Kierphe's. He has been known to make quite a few handles, though he denies it, to rant, be an SJW or complete asshat. Like the time he claimed PC users had a hand in what happened to Warclaidhm. Wesley just needs approval! Much like another person who makes a lot of accounts around here.

That guy has claimed I'm just about every account on this forum.
Edit to add: Yes, Seizer. They're all me. Including the ones you claimed were me that were here and gone during my decade-long absense.
Sure every account. :jerkit:
Go ahead an PK it up Neff, probably a lot of scrubbing to do. No more like Steve, Moist Happenings, Wesley, AestheticLife or something else. A decade huh? You mean like the one where you posted this as Steve on Aug. 25, 2017?

Reporting the content of this thread to the ADL, and moving on.
Then on Aug. 29, 2017 this?

You poor poor babies, being set upon by this horrible vicious monster, MacGuyver. Here on the no rules forum which hasn't had a moderator for what, a decade or more? Where you're all awful, horrible human beings to one another on the regular, trolling and harassing everyone you can to cure your boredom? When did the last moderator leave? There's about a ten year gap where I didn't play, so I'm fuzzy, but between 2004 and 2015, they all disappeared. And somehow I highly doubt it was on the 2015 side of the spectrum that all the moderators disappeared. I like how so many of you claim that "This rule has been enforced and it's a big thing on these forums! Do something about it!". When? There's been no moderation in forever.
And you're the same people who were threatening and whining in the 80 page thread where Whirlin eventually became moderator that this forum needed no moderation beyond removing bots.
Buncha hypocritical pussies. Minute somebody trolls you back, you get all butthurt.
That's a long decade! Is it a coincidence when you got spotted as Steve that a couple of new handles made it's way in to that same very thread? Tell ya what. I'll stop bothering you with my "grade school antics" if you just answer my question from the AOC thread. Or I can keep reminding people of your asshattedness on occasion.

[Neveragain]

He probably knew the US isn't 40 decades old too.

:lol:

[Parkbandit]

"Impeachment is so divisive to the country that unless there’s something so compelling and overwhelming and bipartisan, I don’t think we should go down that path, because it divides the country. And he’s just not worth it." -Nancy Pelosi

Waiting for the liberals here who are infected with stupidity and TDS to now say that Trump is colluding with Nancy Pelosi.

Also: in before her radical lunatic fringe force her to take it back!

[Methais]

"Impeachment is so divisive to the country that unless there’s something so compelling and overwhelming and bipartisan, I don’t think we should go down that path, because it divides the country. And he’s just not worth it." -Nancy Pelosi

Waiting for the liberals here who are infected with stupidity and TDS to now say that Trump is colluding with Nancy Pelosi.

Also: in before her radical lunatic fringe force her to take it back!

Translation: "Damn, Mueller really doesn't have shit after all!"

[~Rocktar~]

Translation: "Damn, Mueller really doesn't have shit after all!"

This is correct.

[Gelston]

Translation: "Damn, Mueller really doesn't have shit after all!"

Some dude from NBC or whatever was saying it is going to be a "reckoning" when the Mueller report comes out if it has no evidence of any sort of Russian Collusion.

[Wrathbringer]

Translation: "Damn, Mueller really doesn't have shit after all!"


Some dude from NBC or whatever was saying it is going to be a "reckoning" when the Mueller report comes out if it has no evidence of any sort of Russian Collusion.

Yep. Just a huge case of butthurt. Pk is going to throw a screeching fit.

[Methais]

Some dude from NBC or whatever was saying it is going to be a "kekkening" when the Mueller report comes out if it has no evidence of any sort of Russian Collusion.

Fixed.


Some dude from NBC or whatever was saying it is going to be a "Tekkening" when the Mueller report comes out if it has no evidence of any sort of Russian Collusion.

Fixed again.

https://i.imgur.com/jLbIV3N.gif

[Methais]

Yep. Just a huge case of butthurt. Pk is going to throw a screeching fit.

Just imagine the shredding his ass is gonna take the night time4fun finds out.

https://i.imgur.com/eOjBK6m.gif

[Wrathbringer]

Just imagine the shredding his ass is gonna take the night time4fun finds out.

https://i.imgur.com/eOjBK6m.gif

:lol:

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Translation: "Damn, Mueller really doesn't have shit after all!"

I think I read yesterday there are 12 active congressional investigations into Trump now (Cummings investigation just being one). Tax dollars at work.

[Alfster]

To be fair, the Russian investigation has brought in more than it's cost. Some of the other financial investigations could also end in the green.

[Tgo01]

I think I read yesterday there are 12 active congressional investigations into Trump now (Cummings investigation just being one). Tax dollars at work.

And Democrats had the nerve to bitch about the Benghazi investigations. Maybe I'm just crazy but I can see the need for extensive investigations when one of our embassies is attacked and 4 people are killed, including our ambassador, and help didn't arrive until a couple of hours after the initial attack was over.

Someone let me know if one of these investigations is anywhere close to being on the same level.

[Androidpk]

And Democrats had the nerve to bitch about the Benghazi investigations. Maybe I'm just crazy but I can see the need for extensive investigations when one of our embassies is attacked and 4 people are killed, including our ambassador, and help didn't arrive until a couple of hours after the initial attack was over.

Someone let me know if one of these investigations is anywhere close to being on the same level.

So you think investigations against democrats are good for the country and investigations against republicans are just witch hunts that waste money. Why am I not surprised.

[Tgo01]

To be fair, the Russian investigation has brought in more than it's cost. Some of the other financial investigations could also end in the green.

Not really. Manafort forfeited many assets, it doesn't mean the government gets to keep all of it. A lot of that money came from properties that Manafort still owed money on so the banks are trying to get their money back from the properties first. There are also various other people and companies who claim Manafort owes them money that are trying to get paid.

Unless Mueller finds another piggy bank to raid to justify his expensive 2+ year nothing burger his investigation is going to cost millions of dollars.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

So you think investigations against democrats are good for the country and investigations against republicans are just witch hunts that waste money. Why am I not surprised.

I think they are all a waste of time. We have criminals investigating criminals, on all sides.

[Tgo01]

So you think investigations against democrats are good for the country and investigations against republicans are just witch hunts that waste money. Why am I not surprised.

Hey hey hey now. All I asked was for you to let me know if any of Congress' current investigations against Trump are anywhere near as serious as what happened in Benghazi. Can you do that for, buddy?

[Androidpk]

I think they are all a waste of time. We have criminals investigating criminals, on all sides.

So your idea is to do what, give them all a pass? Say to hell with oversight?

[Androidpk]

Hey hey hey now. All I asked was for you to let me know if any of Congress' current investigations against Trump are anywhere near as serious as what happened in Benghazi. Can you do that for, buddy?

"But what about Hillary!"

[Tgo01]

"But what about Hillary!"

Didn't think so ;)

[Androidpk]

I'm not interested in your pathetic whataboutism games. Elections have consequences.

[Tgo01]

I'm not interested in your pathetic whataboutism games. Elections have consequences.

It's not whataboutism.

Me: These investigations are dumb and a waste of money and are being spearheaded by the same people who criticized the Benghazi investigations. At least those investigations made sense.
Androidpk: SO YOU'RE SAYING ONLY INVESTIGATIONS AGAINST DEMOCRATS MAKE SENSE!!!! <foams at the mouth>
Me: I'm saying important investigations make sense. Just name for me one important congressional investigation against Trump.
Androidpk: WHATABOUTISM!! <froths more at the mouth>

What's wrong, Androidpk? time4fun been neglecting you lately and you're hoping if you act like a fool she'll pound that ass with this:

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/81Ok%2BrP5KtL._SY679_.jpg

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

So your idea is to do what, give them all a pass? Say to hell with oversight?

My idea would be term limits.

[Androidpk]

It's not whataboutism.

Me: These investigations are dumb and a waste of money and are being spearheaded by the same people who criticized the Benghazi investigations. At least those investigations made sense.
Androidpk: SO YOU'RE SAYING ONLY INVESTIGATIONS AGAINST DEMOCRATS MAKE SENSE!!!! <foams at the mouth>
Me: I'm saying important investigations make sense. Just name for me one important congressional investigation against Trump.
Androidpk: WHATABOUTISM!! <froths more at the mouth>

What's wrong, Androidpk? time4fun been neglecting you lately and you're hoping if you act like a fool she'll pound that ass with this:

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/81Ok%2BrP5KtL._SY679_.jpg


Deflections
Whataboutisms
Ad hominem attacks

[Androidpk]

My idea would be term limits.

Term limits are a good idea but I don't see how that is relevant to Congressional oversight.

[Tgo01]

Term limits are a good idea but I don't see how that is relevant to Congressional oversight.

Speaking of "congressional oversight" that reminds me. Exactly where in the constitution does it grant congress "congressional oversight" powers?

[Androidpk]

Speaking of "congressional oversight" that reminds me. Exactly where in the constitution does it grant congress "congressional oversight" powers?

Implied powers derived from the necessary and proper clause. You and Pb should really invest in a federal government 101 course.

[Tgo01]

Implied powers derived from the necessary and proper clause. You and Pb should really invest in a federal government 101 course.

So congressional oversight is never mentioned in the constitution like you said? Thanks ;)

[Wrathbringer]

So you think investigations against democrats are good for the country and investigations against republicans are just witch hunts that waste money. Why am I not surprised.

You're retarded.


I'm not interested in your pathetic whataboutism games. Elections have consequences.

And have a serious case of TDS.


It's not whataboutism.

Me: These investigations are dumb and a waste of money and are being spearheaded by the same people who criticized the Benghazi investigations. At least those investigations made sense.
Androidpk: SO YOU'RE SAYING ONLY INVESTIGATIONS AGAINST DEMOCRATS MAKE SENSE!!!! <foams at the mouth>
Me: I'm saying important investigations make sense. Just name for me one important congressional investigation against Trump.
Androidpk: WHATABOUTISM!! <froths more at the mouth>

What's wrong, Androidpk? time4fun been neglecting you lately and you're hoping if you act like a fool she'll pound that ass with this:

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/81Ok%2BrP5KtL._SY679_.jpg

:lol: this is correct.

[Astray]

God help whoever tries that.

[Androidpk]

So congressional oversight is never mentioned in the constitution like you said? Thanks ;)

I never said that. If I had known how little you know about how the Constitution works I would have held your hand and explained it to you. Like I said, you and PB are in dire need of a 101 course.

[Tgo01]

I never said that. If I had known how little you know about how the Constitution works I would have held your hand and explained it to you. Like I said, you and PB are in dire need of a 101 course.

Guess you forgot to scrub this post:


Congressional oversight, it's right there in the Constitution. You should give it a read.

[Wrathbringer]

Guess you forgot to scrub this post:

hahaha what an idiot

[Androidpk]

Guess you forgot to scrub this post:

Show me where I said "these exact words are in the Constitution". Damn you're stupid.

[Parkbandit]

Implied powers derived from the necessary and proper clause. You and Pb should really invest in a federal government 101 course.

Actually, this is how the exchange happened. You should thank Gelston for giving you a impromptu 4th grade Civics class:


Congressional oversight, it's right there in the Constitution. You should give it a read.


rofl, no, it derives from implied powers. Congressional oversight isn't specifically mentioned anywhere.

Fucking retard. In before you deflect onto ZOMG REMEMBER THAT ONE TIME YOU SAID SCOTUS ONLY HAD 7 MEMBERS!!!!!!

[Parkbandit]

Show me where I said "these exact words are in the Constitution". Damn you're stupid.

Dude, stop.

Go back and scrub the post before you make yourself look this dumb.

[Tgo01]

Actually, this is how the exchange happened. You should thank Gelston for giving you a impromptu 4th grade Civics class:

That's the best part.

Androidpk: Congressional oversight is right there in the constitution! Read it and you'll see!
Gelston: No, congressional oversight is derived from implied powers, it isn't mentioned anywhere in the constitution.

Two weeks later.

Androidpk: I said congressional oversight is derived from implied powers!!!

He even used the same term "derived" as Gelston. Androidpk is so pathetic.

This is like saying "The second amendment guarantees us the right to own guns for self defense! It's right there in the constitution!" Except it's not, that's something the supreme court said falls under the second amendment. Much like the supreme court has upheld that congress has congressional oversight authority from the implied powers granted to them in the constitution.

The thing about rights and powers not specifically mentioned in the constitution means all it takes is a different set of judges to overturn a previous ruling. Why do you think beta-male feminists such as yourself are suddenly crying about abortion, Androidpk? Because the media has whipped you into a frenzy thinking Trump picking supreme court justices means they will overturn Roe v Wade. The media is wrong that they will, but they are right that they can, much like they can overturn any and all "implied powers" because they are not specifically mentioned in the constitution like you said they were.

There's a federal government 101 lesson for you, Androidpk. Maybe now you should take a "I really need to stop embarrassing myself" 101 course.

Also let's not forget what time4fun herself had to say about Androidpk regarding this congressional oversight discussion:


Candidly, PK and Tgo both have the reading comprehension and reasoning skills of a cocker spaniel- so I'm willing to agree that they wouldn't get that Congressional oversight describes the enumerated powers of Congress.

Ouch. You never did say why time4fun was bashing you that day, Androidpk. Did you apologize for having the reading comprehension and reasoning skills of a cocker spaniel so she would take you back?

[Methais]

And Democrats had the nerve to bitch about the Benghazi investigations. Maybe I'm just crazy but I can see the need for extensive investigations when one of our embassies is attacked and 4 people are killed, including our ambassador, and help didn't arrive until a couple of hours after the initial attack was over.

Someone let me know if one of these investigations is anywhere close to being on the same level.

In before PK says something retar...


So you think investigations against democrats are good for the country and investigations against republicans are just witch hunts that waste money. Why am I not surprised.

...nevermind I forgot he lives here.

[Methais]

Term limits are a good idea but I don't see how that is relevant to Congressional oversight.


Speaking of "congressional oversight" that reminds me. Exactly where in the constitution does it grant congress "congressional oversight" powers?


Implied powers derived from the necessary and proper clause. You and Pb should really invest in a federal government 101 course.


So congressional oversight is never mentioned in the constitution like you said? Thanks ;)


I never said that. If I had known how little you know about how the Constitution works I would have held your hand and explained it to you. Like I said, you and PB are in dire need of a 101 course.


Guess you forgot to scrub this post:


Congressional oversight, it's right there in the Constitution. You should give it a read.


Show me where I said "these exact words are in the Constitution". Damn you're stupid.


Actually, this is how the exchange happened. You should thank Gelston for giving you a impromptu 4th grade Civics class:


Congressional oversight, it's right there in the Constitution. You should give it a read.


rofl, no, it derives from implied powers. Congressional oversight isn't specifically mentioned anywhere.

Fucking retard. In before you deflect onto ZOMG REMEMBER THAT ONE TIME YOU SAID SCOTUS ONLY HAD 7 MEMBERS!!!!!!

Hahahahahaha what a fucking dickdouche.

PK is guilty of Gelston appropriation.

And all sorts of other PK scumbag things that we've come to expect from a scumbag like PK.

https://media.giphy.com/media/wWue0rCDOphOE/giphy.gif

[Methais]

That's the best part.

Androidpk: Congressional oversight is right there in the constitution! Read it and you'll see!
Gelston: No, congressional oversight is derived from implied powers, it isn't mentioned anywhere in the constitution.

Two weeks later.

Androidpk: I said congressional oversight is derived from implied powers!!!

He even used the same term "derived" as Gelston. Androidpk is so pathetic.

That's like the whole "You said Obama degraded the office of the presidency" exchange between you and him that I can't find right now to quote. Possibly even dumber. But it's a photo finish.

[Androidpk]

Aww, how cute is it when parkbandit and tgo defend each other's rampant stupidity :lol:

Deflect
Project
Ad hominem attacks.

You guys got your routine down perfectly!

[Tgo01]

That's like the whole "You said Obama degraded the office of the presidency" exchange between you and him that I can't find right now to quote. Possibly even dumber. But it's a photo finish.

I forgot all about that, what a complete tool Androidpk is.

I found that comment chain, still as funny as ever.


How am I being inconsistent? Even if I did say Obama degraded the presidency (which I don't recall), have I ever said you all should stop calling Trump mean names? Again, stop being a dumb ass. It's really not that hard.


This is at least the second time you've said I've said this and I still don't recall ever saying it. Do you have a quote handy? You managed trudged through thousands of posts relating to dicks to find one where someone jokingly said Parkbandit wanted dick, surely you can pull up the post I made about Obama "degrading" the presidency. I sure would love to see the context if I did say this.


Gee, I sure do wish the PC had a search function..


Has nothing to do with people being butt hurt, it has to do with Trump lowering the office of the presidency on a daily basis.


It was already lowered beyond belief when Obama used the IRS to attack conservative groups and literally bowed before foreign leaders. Everything else is just gravy now.

http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?86011-Dumb-things-conservatives-say&p=1994494#post1994494


So I didn't say he "degraded" the presidency, I said he "lowered" it in response to a dumbass thing you said? That sounds about right. Get your shit together.

The the next day:


Just like you were pretty sure you never said Obama lowered the office of the presidency? Good one.

tl:dr

Androidpk: You said Obama degraded the presidency!
Tgo01: No I didn't.
Androidpk: Yes huh!
Tgo01: No I didn't. Show me where.
Androidpk quotes me where I used the word lowered.
Androidpk: See! Proof!
Tgo01: I said "lowered" not "degraded."
The next day.
Androidpk: Remember that time you forgot you said Obama lowered the office of the presidency!

Does this gaslighting work on anyone, Androidpk? Must not work on time4fun or else she would have upgraded your couch by now.

[Androidpk]

So not only does tgo not know the basics of how the US government works he also doesn't know what a synonym is. You really shouldn't have dropped out of high school :/

[Tgo01]

So not only does tgo not know the basics of how the US government works he also doesn't know what a synonym is. You really shouldn't have dropped out of high school :/

Oh yeah the synonym excuse! That was really the icing on the cake!

[Parkbandit]

Aww, how cute is it when parkbandit and tgo defend each other's rampant stupidity :lol:

Deflect
Project
Ad hominem attacks.

You guys got your routine down perfectly!

Precisely, what am I deflecting or projecting?

You are wrong.

You’ve been proven wrong.

Everyone with an IQ over 12 knows your wrong.

I’m not surprised you’ve resorted to a #1, implied #5 and your new #6

[Parkbandit]

So not only does tgo not know the basics of how the US government works he also doesn't know what a synonym is. You really shouldn't have dropped out of high school :/

Jesus....

Your #1 game is on point though...

[Androidpk]

deflect
project
ad hominem attacks

trolls gotta troll I guess ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Methais]

So not only does tgo not know the basics of how the US government works he also doesn't know what a synonym is. You really shouldn't have dropped out of high school :/


Oh yeah the synonym excuse! That was really the icing on the cake!

Just quote everything he says, but with synonyms as needed going forward.




deflect
project
ad hominem attacks

trolls gotta troll I guess ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Get a job you fucking loser. Rebooting grandma's router once a month doesn't count.

[Stumplicker]

Don't worry. I'm here to mansplain my way into the conversation. A synonym is the thing you put on toast to make it crunch.

[Methais]

Don't worry. I'm here to mansplain my way into the conversation. A synonym is the thing you put on toast to make it crunch.

https://movingwriters.files.wordpress.com/2016/07/stc.jpg?w=254&h=373

[Stumplicker]

...I'm going to pretend you just photoshopped that really fast to preserve the illusion that I was the first person to think of that pun.

[Parkbandit]

deflect
project
ad hominem attacks

trolls gotta troll I guess ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

So.. you can’t.

Shocking, really.

[Androidpk]

So.. you can’t.

Shocking, really.

So you can't stop trolling.

Shocking, really.

[Methais]

So I can't get a job because I'm too lazy.

Shocking, really.

This is correct.

[Parkbandit]

So you can't stop trolling.

Shocking, really.

Trolling is now asking you to be specific about something you pulled out of your ass.

Good to know.

[Methais]

Trolling is now asking you to be specific about something you pulled out of your ass.

Good to know.

Give him a break, FedEx just left time4fun's house and he knows he's in for a rough night(s)...

https://i.imgur.com/hphC9SB.jpg

[Wrathbringer]

deflect
project
ad hominem attacks

trolls gotta troll I guess ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

You're the one continuing to post idiocy on a board where literally everyone, even t4f, calls you stupid and retarded. You know who else does this? Macgyver. You know who used to do this? IW. News flash: You're the troll.

[Stumplicker]

Who is "IW"?