Russia Investigation Heating Up

[Tgo01]

Seems like it was only a couple weeks ago that conservatives were shitting themselves that Representative Schiff parodied the President's call to Ukraine. Now the President is attacking private citizens at his rallies, but that's totally cool

A) This was a rally and not the start of an impeachment witch hunt.
B) Sure she’s a private citizen now but she sure wasn’t a private citizen at the time she sent those texts between her and her lover, which is part of the reason she no longer has a government job.

Why do nuances and facts mean so little to you? Oh yeah, you’re a Democrat.

[Methais]

A) This was a rally and not the start of an impeachment witch hunt.
B) Sure she’s a private citizen now but she sure wasn’t a private citizen at the time she sent those texts between her and her lover, which is part of the reason she no longer has a government job.

Why do nuances and facts mean so little to you? Oh yeah, you’re a Democrat.

You can’t write “democrat” without writing “emo” so it makes sense that they’re almost all dumb and miserable.

[Wrathbringer]

Shut up pussy go buy a new scarf from the Scarfs For Retards store.

:lol:

[Alfster]

Parnas bringing documents and tapes. This should get fun.

[Tgo01]

The government is now dropping all charges against the Russians the Mueller team wanted to prosecute.

Surprise surprise.

[Risen]

Yep, can't mess with the guy who is going to be THE leader of the world for the next 15 years. Bad business, that.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-russia-putin/russian-court-backs-move-to-let-putin-stay-in-power-despite-outcry-from-some-idUSKBN213282

[Methais]

Yep, can't mess with the guy who is going to be THE leader of the world for the next 15 years. Bad business, that.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-russia-putin/russian-court-backs-move-to-let-putin-stay-in-power-despite-outcry-from-some-idUSKBN213282

https://media1.giphy.com/media/YTXGNnbSxDmjnspx8G/giphy.gif

[~Rocktar~]

So, will anyone actually go to jail for this massive cover up and barely concealed coup attempt?


https://youtu.be/Imhbncy9RJg

[Tgo01]

So, will anyone actually go to jail for this massive cover up and barely concealed coup attempt?


https://youtu.be/Imhbncy9RJg

No because Democrats don't give a single shit about justice or the rule of law.

[Methais]

I wonder what time4fun has to say about all this. :lol:

[Parkbandit]

I wonder what time4fun has to say about all this. :lol:

My favorite is her and other retards saying that collusion was already proven.

[Methais]

My favorite is her and other retards saying that collusion was already proven.

Here’s time4fun now:
https://25.media.tumblr.com/2694edccc3e66194057d9f54b2dec91c/tumblr_mnn50r2s4K1sosawio1_400.gif

[~Rocktar~]

Here’s time4fun now:
https://25.media.tumblr.com/2694edccc3e66194057d9f54b2dec91c/tumblr_mnn50r2s4K1sosawio1_400.gif

^^ This is correct.

[Fortybox]

My favorite is her and other retards saying that collusion was already proven.

I'm still waiting for their "me too" outrage toward Biden as well.

[Fortybox]

Here’s time4fun now:
https://25.media.tumblr.com/2694edccc3e66194057d9f54b2dec91c/tumblr_mnn50r2s4K1sosawio1_400.gif

:lol:

[Parkbandit]

Here’s time4fun now:
https://25.media.tumblr.com/2694edccc3e66194057d9f54b2dec91c/tumblr_mnn50r2s4K1sosawio1_400.gif

I don't see it. That would require having the ability to learn and understand.

She has not demonstrated having that type of higher skill.

She will still insist that Trump is a Russian agent and that he colluded with Russia DESPITE all the evidence to the contrary.

Until MSNBC tells her to think differently anyway...

[Solkern]

Dear god, this shit is still going on?! THERE WAS NO COLLUSION!!
Russia interfered on its own, not because anyone in the Trump administration.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Dear god, this shit is still going on?! THERE WAS NO COLLUSION!!
Russia interfered on its own, not because anyone in the Trump administration.

Now all the democrats who lied are being drug into the light. Gonna be a fucking trainwreck.

[Solkern]

Putin does whatever the fuck he wants, because he simply can and wants to fuck with America. That’s it.
He interfered with American elections because he enjoys watching the aftermath of it and weakening America.
It seriously has nothing to do with Trump or the republicans asking him or colluding. He doesn’t need to collude.
Putin is a fucking smart man. He’s 10 steps ahead of all of us.

[Tgo01]

Media in 2016: Russia! Russia! Russia!
Media in 2017: Russia! Russia! Russia!
Media in 2018: Russia! Russia! Russia!
Media in 2019: Russia! Russia! Russia!
Media in 2020 prior to their narrative exploding: Russia! Russia! Russia!
Media in 2020 after their narrative exploded: Who cares? People are dying!

[ClydeR]

When Paul Manafort walked out of Loretto Federal Correctional Institution on Wednesday, he had about four years left on his sentence. He left behind a number of inmates who weren’t as lucky as he was.

David Barren, a fellow inmate at Loretto, isn’t Paul Manafort. He’s African-American. He never worked as a powerful Republican lobbyist or the president’s former campaign manager. And he didn’t commit millions of dollars of tax fraud, violate federal lobbying rules, or commit witness tampering while awaiting trial.

More... (https://www.thedailybeast.com/paul-manafort-walks-his-fellow-inmate-is-facing-16-more-years)

Liberals are saying that because Manafort got out of a dangerous situation, black prisoners should too. That is completely wrong. Manafort was not released because he is white. He was released because he was the President's friend. Any black people who are Trump's friends can be released too.

[drauz]

Good video going thru the Michael Flynn stuff


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svYdF4UvJf0

[Tgo01]

Good video going thru the Michael Flynn stuff


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svYdF4UvJf0

This is what I said way back when this whole nonsense started, just this guy obviously explained it better being a lawyer and all.

It's a dangerous game when the government gets to decide whether or not you lied and can prosecute you for your perceived lies, then you throw in a "perjury trap" where they ask you a bunch of questions, write it all down, call you in next week and ask you pretty much the exact same questions and in one case you might give a slightly different answer (first time you said it happened in August, second time you said September), BOOM! Lying to FBI. Arrested.

[Tgo01]

Flynn pleaded guilty, then he withdrew his plea, something each and every single defendant is allowed to do.

Now the piece of shit judge on the case is looking into holding Flynn in contempt of court for "lying" because he changed his plea.

These Democrat piece of shit judges are out of control. This activist judge is just looking for any excuse to throw Flynn in jail and force Trump to pardon him.

Every honest and decent American should be outraged by this, so this of course leaves out most Democrats.

[Solkern]

Flynn pleaded guilty, then he withdrew his plea, something each and every single defendant is allowed to do.

Now the piece of shit judge on the case is looking into holding Flynn in contempt of court for "lying" because he changed his plea.

These Democrat piece of shit judges are out of control. This activist judge is just looking for any excuse to throw Flynn in jail and force Trump to pardon him.

Every honest and decent American should be outraged by this, so this of course leaves out most Democrats.


Wasn’t he already sentenced when he tried to change his plea? Edited, I guess he wasn’t!

That whole case is a shitstorm

[Tgo01]

Wasn’t he already sentenced when he tried to change his plea? Pretty sure you can only withdraw it before you’re sentenced, not years afterwards.

Nope, he was never sentenced. Not sure how federal courts handle changing pleas but most courts will allow you to change your guilty plea under certain circumstances and I like to imagine "The FBI literally fucking lied and admitted they were out to get me" would be one of those circumstances.

[Solkern]

Nope, he was never sentenced. Not sure how federal courts handle changing pleas but most courts will allow you to change your guilty plea under certain circumstances and I like to imagine "The FBI literally fucking lied and admitted they were out to get me" would be one of those circumstances.

Well, he’s already been tried and convicted, just not sentenced... pretty sure it’s too late to change your plea... but I’m not an expert in law, so I’m not sure.

[Tgo01]

Well, he’s already been tried and convicted, just not sentenced... pretty sure it’s too late to change your plea... but I’m not an expert in law, so I’m not sure.

He wasn't tried and convicted, he pleaded guilty in a plea bargain.

[Gelston]

Well, he’s already been tried and convicted, just not sentenced... pretty sure it’s too late to change your plea... but I’m not an expert in law, so I’m not sure.

It depends if the Judge had accepted it or not. It was not yet before the judge in this case. He can change it however he sees fit.

[Tgo01]

It depends if the Judge had accepted it or not. It was not yet before the judge in this case. He can change it however he sees fit.

What's really funny is I'm pretty sure what took so long to sentence Flynn was because the judge didn't want Flynn to plea guilty if he didn't really think he was guilty, and now that Flynn has decided to change his plea now the judge wants to find him in contempt. At least that's what I heard about the whole judge not accepting his plea.

If that's true though then it's sounding more and more like the judge was looking for any reason to throw Flynn in jail, including not accepting the plea deal.

[Methais]

Liberals are saying that because Manafort got out of a dangerous situation, black prisoners should too. That is completely wrong. Manafort was not released because he is white. He was released because he was the President's friend. Any black people who are Trump's friends can be released too.

https://i.imgur.com/b0FwLYu.jpg

[Solkern]

It depends if the Judge had accepted it or not. It was not yet before the judge in this case. He can change it however he sees fit.

Ahh I see!

[~Rocktar~]

https://i.imgur.com/b0FwLYu.jpg

HAHAHAHA! I see what you did there.

[Methais]

Are things heating up yet?

[Wrathbringer]

Are things heating up yet?

OOOOOOOOH SHIT IT'S HEATING UP NOW, METHAIS!!!!!!!!!111111111111111 IT'S REALLY STARTING TO HEAT UP!!!!1! TRUMP WILL BE IMPEACHED AND HANGED FOR RUSSIA COLLUSION ANY DAY NOW AND HIS KIDS AND WIFE TOO BECAUSE MASSIVE SHILLARY LOSS BUTTHURT AND KILLARY WILL BE MADE PRESIDENT BECAUSE OF ALL OF THIS FINALLY REALLY REALLLY REALLY REALLY FOR REAL THIS TIME ACTUALLY GOING TO START HEATING UP ANY SECOND NOW LITERALLY ANY SECOND NOW YOU WATCH AND SEE IT'S STARTING TO HEAT UP I'M GETTING HOT BECAUSE IT'S SO FOR REALLY REAL HEATING UP NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!111111111111!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111 111111111234

[Solkern]

OOOOOOOOH SHIT IT'S HEATING UP NOW, METHAIS!!!!!!!!!111111111111111 IT'S REALLY STARTING TO HEAT UP!!!!1! TRUMP WILL BE IMPEACHED AND HANGED FOR RUSSIA COLLUSION ANY DAY NOW AND HIS KIDS AND WIFE TOO BECAUSE MASSIVE SHILLARY LOSS BUTTHURT AND KILLARY WILL BE MADE PRESIDENT BECAUSE OF ALL OF THIS FINALLY REALLY REALLLY REALLY REALLY FOR REAL THIS TIME ACTUALLY GOING TO START HEATING UP ANY SECOND NOW LITERALLY ANY SECOND NOW YOU WATCH AND SEE IT'S STARTING TO HEAT UP I'M GETTING HOT BECAUSE IT'S SO FOR REALLY REAL HEATING UP NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!111111111111!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111 111111111234

But are you sure?

[Fortybox]

Are things heating up yet?

I'm still waiting for the updated COVID-Time4fun analysis.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

What's really funny is I'm pretty sure what took so long to sentence Flynn was because the judge didn't want Flynn to plea guilty if he didn't really think he was guilty, and now that Flynn has decided to change his plea now the judge wants to find him in contempt. At least that's what I heard about the whole judge not accepting his plea.

If that's true though then it's sounding more and more like the judge was looking for any reason to throw Flynn in jail, including not accepting the plea deal.

Trump should just pardon him and watched the liberals explode.

[Solkern]

What's really funny is I'm pretty sure what took so long to sentence Flynn was because the judge didn't want Flynn to plea guilty if he didn't really think he was guilty, and now that Flynn has decided to change his plea now the judge wants to find him in contempt. At least that's what I heard about the whole judge not accepting his plea.

If that's true though then it's sounding more and more like the judge was looking for any reason to throw Flynn in jail, including not accepting the plea deal.

That logic doesn’t make sense. If the judge is looking for ANY reason to throw Flynn in jail..... Flynn plead guilty.... boom, sentence him and throw him in jail.

Instead he’s looking to find Flynn in contempt of court, to throw him in jail? That doesn’t follow your logic of ANY reason, since he already had every reason to throw him in jail... a guilty plea.


Edited: the judge did accept Flynn’s guilty plea, just the sentencing was delayed for whatever reason

[Tgo01]

That logic doesn’t make sense. If the judge is looking for ANY reason to throw Flynn in jail..... Flynn plead guilty.... boom, sentence him and throw him in jail.

Instead he’s looking to find Flynn in contempt of court, to throw him in jail? That doesn’t follow your logic of ANY reason, since he already had every reason to throw him in jail... a guilty plea.


Edited: the judge did accept Flynn’s guilty plea, just the sentencing was delayed for whatever reason

Because he was only looking at a maximum of 5 years for what he did plead guilty to (and I'm sure the prosecution sweetened the deal and was going to ask the judge to give him probation, which of course the judge doesn't have to listen to but still), he was facing much more time if he didn't accept a plea deal and was found guilty on all counts.

Now that the judge knows he has no legal basis for sentencing him to this plea deal he is getting desperate to throw him in jail on another set of bogus, trumped up charges, because he's a piece of shit who should be removed from the bench.

[Solkern]

Because he was only looking at a maximum of 5 years for what he did plead guilty to (and I'm sure the prosecution sweetened the deal and was going to ask the judge to give him probation, which of course the judge doesn't have to listen to but still), he was facing much more time if he didn't accept a plea deal and was found guilty on all counts.

Now that the judge knows he has no legal basis for sentencing him to this plea deal he is getting desperate to throw him in jail on another set of bogus, trumped up charges, because he's a piece of shit who should be removed from the bench.

Ok, now that logic makes sense, just not the find any reason to throw him in jail, as he already had it.

[Methais]

OOOOOOOOH SHIT IT'S HEATING UP NOW, METHAIS!!!!!!!!!111111111111111 IT'S REALLY STARTING TO HEAT UP!!!!1! TRUMP WILL BE IMPEACHED AND HANGED FOR RUSSIA COLLUSION ANY DAY NOW AND HIS KIDS AND WIFE TOO BECAUSE MASSIVE SHILLARY LOSS BUTTHURT AND KILLARY WILL BE MADE PRESIDENT BECAUSE OF ALL OF THIS FINALLY REALLY REALLLY REALLY REALLY FOR REAL THIS TIME ACTUALLY GOING TO START HEATING UP ANY SECOND NOW LITERALLY ANY SECOND NOW YOU WATCH AND SEE IT'S STARTING TO HEAT UP I'M GETTING HOT BECAUSE IT'S SO FOR REALLY REAL HEATING UP NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!111111111111!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111 111111111234

http://forum.gsplayers.com/image.php?u=10769&dateline=1482246379

I'm 99.9999% sure that time4fun has a dick irl.

[Tgo01]

The judge has refused to drop the case and instead has appointed someone to investigate whether or not dismissing the case is legal.

In other words the judge has basically taken upon the role of being an investigator, this is so unprecedented I can't think of a single time something like this has ever happened before.

The judge has now been asked to explain why he hasn't yet dropped the case against Flynn and has now hired a high-profile lawyer to explain his reasons.

So a judge has now taken on the investigator role and has hired a lawyer to explain his actions.

Can this judge just be removed from the bench already? Talk about a kangaroo court.

[~Rocktar~]

The judge has refused to drop the case and instead has appointed someone to investigate whether or not dismissing the case is legal.

In other words the judge has basically taken upon the role of being an investigator, this is so unprecedented I can't think of a single time something like this has ever happened before.

The judge has now been asked to explain why he hasn't yet dropped the case against Flynn and has now hired a high-profile lawyer to explain his reasons.

So a judge has now taken on the investigator role and has hired a lawyer to explain his actions.

Can this judge just be removed from the bench already? Talk about a kangaroo court.

Pretty sure that kangaroo courts are more fair and just.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Feels like it's heating up again.

[Tgo01]

Feels like it's heating up again.

Hillary has already blamed Trump and Fox News for daring to mention her culpability in being the most corrupt politician in the history of the world, so I'm sure the mainstream media will now have their marching orders and will know how to report on this story.

[Parkbandit]

You would think the left would be pissed for being so easily fooled for 5+ years over this.

But no, they are too dumb and honestly STILL believe that President Trump was a Russian operative.

[Solkern]

The number 2 US diplomat in Russia was expelled. This isn’t looking good.

[Seran]

Roger Stone, Paul Manafort, George Papadopoulos, Rick Gates, Michael Flynn, were all charged for lying to the FBI about their involvement with Russia and Ukraine. But let's go ahead and lie and pretend none of that happened because Hillary Clinton!

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Roger Stone, Paul Manafort, George Papadopoulos, Rick Gates, Michael Flynn, were all charged for lying to the FBI about their involvement with Russia and Ukraine. But let's go ahead and lie and pretend none of that happened because Hillary Clinton!

I said none of that. Aren't you interested in how the Clinton Campaign paid for people to try and inflitrate the Trump servers as a candidate and then as president? I mean, that's pretty big fucking news if true.

[Methais]

You would think the left would be pissed for being so easily fooled for 5+ years over this.

But no, they are too dumb and honestly STILL believe that President Trump was a Russian operative.


Roger Stone, Paul Manafort, George Papadopoulos, Rick Gates, Michael Flynn, were all charged for lying to the FBI about their involvement with Russia and Ukraine. But let's go ahead and lie and pretend none of that happened because Hillary Clinton!

https://i.imgur.com/d7qCApl.png

[SHAFT]

I said none of that. Aren't you interested in how the Clinton Campaign paid for people to try and inflitrate the Trump servers as a candidate and then as president? I mean, that's pretty big fucking news if true.

You really believe that? The Durham report provided zero evidence. This whole thing has been debunked but yet again, conservatives take fake news and run with it.

If conservatives were smart they’d be dangerous.

https://twitter.com/normative/status/1493965939964092422?s=21

Also, a lot of this info came out in September but Fox News and newsmax weren’t trumpeting it. You’re only talking about it because the faux news is. Lemmings.

[Tgo01]

You really believe that? The Durham report provided zero evidence. This whole thing has been debunked but yet again, conservatives take fake news and run with it.

If conservatives were smart they’d be dangerous.

https://twitter.com/normative/status/1493965939964092422?s=21

"Debunked" by whom exactly? Hillary Clinton?

[SHAFT]

"Debunked" by whom exactly? Hillary Clinton?

I provided you with a source who debunks it.

[Tgo01]

I provided you with a source who debunks it.

Your link doesn't work for me. It's not the Vanity Fair article that Hillary sourced is it?

[Methais]

Your link doesn't work for me. It's not the Vanity Fair article that Hillary sourced is it?

Twitter is fucked up right now.

[SHAFT]

Your link doesn't work for me. It's not the Vanity Fair article that Hillary sourced is it?

It’s Twitter.

[Tgo01]

The link works for me now and holy shit, how does this debunk anything?

Right in the Twitter thread:


In particular, they found evidence of unusual volumes of traffic between servers associated with the Trump Organization and a Russian bank, as well as evidence of (rare in the US) Russian-made smartphones near the White House.


The researchers wrote up their suspicions, which then-Neustar executive Rodney Joffe passed on to attorney Michael Sussman, who also did work for the Clinton campaign. Sussman shared their findings with the FBI and later CIA.

That's like exactly what everyone is saying happened. They found "unusual" volumes of traffic between servers within the Trump organization and Russia and later inside the Trump White House, the "unusual" traffic could be absolutely nothing and doesn't necessarily point to anything shady, again the guy in the Twitter link says.

They then passed this information along to an attorney working for the Clinton campaign who then passed this information along to the FBI, the FBI then used this information to launch the now thoroughly debunked Russian collusion narrative.

That is exactly what everyone is saying is going on.

The only thing people are speculating on is whether or not Hillary herself had any knowledge of any of this. And come on, you have to be a full on kool-aid drinking far alt-leftist to actually believe she had no idea any of this was going on. You think her campaign was just feeding this information to the feds and then Hillary was clueless when she was spending years pushing the fake Russian narrative? Does anyone really believe that?

Sure it will most likely never be proven that Hillary knew what was going on because she's corrupt enough to make sure there are several people between her and the designated fall guy and each person would be willing to go to jail for her before giving her up. But let's at least try to be honest here.

[SHAFT]

It’s all a big nothing.

Trump is an actual legal jeopardy with the NYAG and GA shit and conservatives are desperately trying to find something on Hillary Clinton, for some reason. Still obsessed with Hillary Clinton. Like stalkers.

[Tgo01]

It’s all a big nothing

Right. Trump got impeached over a PHONE CALL, but a lawyer working for Hillary's campaign obtained information from a company who was supposed to be looking for hacks on government servers instead used their access to said information to paint a Russian collusion scheme with Trump, gave this information to an attorney working for the Hillary campaign, who then turned over this information to the FBI, which was then used as the basis for the bogus Russian/Trump collusion narrative that Hillary, the Democrat party, and the mainstream media pushed for years and led to an impeachment of a sitting president?

That's all nothing? Come on, man!

[Suppressed Poet]

In America, you can read fake news Vanity Fair.

In Mother Russia, fake news Vanity Fair reads you.

[Bhaalizmo]

It’s all a big nothing.

Trump is an actual legal jeopardy with the NYAG and GA shit and conservatives are desperately trying to find something on Hillary Clinton, for some reason. Still obsessed with Hillary Clinton. Like stalkers.

As usual.

https://media.giphy.com/media/l2Je0SXEORW59KzwQ/giphy.gif

[Methais]

I wish I had some self awareness.

This is correct.

[Parkbandit]

It’s all a big nothing.

Trump is an actual legal jeopardy with the NYAG and GA shit and conservatives are desperately trying to find something on Hillary Clinton, for some reason. Still obsessed with Hillary Clinton. Like stalkers.

Bro.........

[Tgo01]

A company abuses their access to government data to hand over information to someone working for the Hillary campaign, this person working for the Hillary campaign then hands over the information to the FBI so the FBI can start a fake investigation into the Trump campaign (while both Trump and Hillary are still running for president) then later the Trump presidency which is the birth of the bogus Russian/Trump collusion narrative, and after just a few days the left has declared this is all over and has already been debunked and Hillary and her entire campaign is innocent and we need to move on already. Yet the fake investigation that resulted from this corruption lasted 5+ years and has actually been debunked so thoroughly it's not even remotely funny anymore and some on the left still to this day tell us Trump is a Russian asset.

The Democrat party is by far the most corrupt political organization in US history, quite possibly the world.

[Seran]

I said none of that. Aren't you interested in how the Clinton Campaign paid for people to try and inflitrate the Trump servers as a candidate and then as president? I mean, that's pretty big fucking news if true.

I'm interested, if true, but everything you just listed is pure conjecture at this point. What isn't conjecture and what was proven was all those criminals who were colluding with Russia and lied about it that we already know were charged and convicted.

[SHAFT]

I'm interested, if true, but everything you just listed is pure conjecture at this point. What isn't conjecture and what was proven was all those criminals who were colluding with Russia and lied about it that we already know were charged and convicted.

Trump had total control of the government for 2 years. He had multiple lackeys as AG. If there would’ve been anything to actually indict Hillary Clinton they would’ve found it.

But, as we all know, even with total control of the government for 2 years trump was a total failure. All he got done were the tax cuts, which likely didn’t help anyone on these boards, yet multiple people still have their tongues up his ass.

[Parkbandit]

A company abuses their access to government data to hand over information to someone working for the Hillary campaign, this person working for the Hillary campaign then hands over the information to the FBI so the FBI can start a fake investigation into the Trump campaign (while both Trump and Hillary are still running for president) then later the Trump presidency which is the birth of the bogus Russian/Trump collusion narrative, and after just a few days the left has declared this is all over and has already been debunked and Hillary and her entire campaign is innocent and we need to move on already. Yet the fake investigation that resulted from this corruption lasted 5+ years and has actually been debunked so thoroughly it's not even remotely funny anymore and some on the left still to this day tell us Trump is a Russian asset.

The Democrat party is by far the most corrupt political organization in US history, quite possibly the world.

Democrats are the party of fascism... not sure why you would suddenly believe they would have a problem with this.

[Neveragain]

Trump had total control of the government for 2 years. He had multiple lackeys as AG. If there would’ve been anything to actually indict Hillary Clinton they would’ve found it.

But, as we all know, even with total control of the government for 2 years trump was a total failure. All he got done were the tax cuts, which likely didn’t help anyone on these boards, yet multiple people still have their tongues up his ass.

Except most people on these boards saw their weekly take home go up by 6-8%.

Apposed to the current administration who has managed to get a bunch of people killed in a bumbling attempt at a withdrawal from Afghanistan, an attempt at mandates that would have left hundreds of thousands jobless, inflation that has not been seen since Carter and on the verge of war with Russia.

The press isn't even allowed to ask questions of this administration.

[Parkbandit]

Trump had total control of the government for 2 years. He had multiple lackeys as AG. If there would’ve been anything to actually indict Hillary Clinton they would’ve found it.

But, as we all know, even with total control of the government for 2 years trump was a total failure. All he got done were the tax cuts, which likely didn’t help anyone on these boards, yet multiple people still have their tongues up his ass.

I've stated repeatedly that the Trump Tax Cuts helped me personally and professionally.

But you can continue to regurgitate the same stupidity you've puked up over the past 4 years of "OMG I HATE TRUMP!!!!!!!!!!!"

Fucking retard.

[Seran]

Except most people on these boards saw their weekly take home go up by 6-8%.

Apposed to the current administration who has managed to get a bunch of people killed in a bumbling attempt at a withdrawal from Afghanistan, an attempt at mandates that would have left hundreds of thousands jobless, inflation that has not been seen since Carter and on the verge of war with Russia.

The press isn't even allowed to ask questions of this administration.

Questions are asked and answered everyday grandpa. Just because Peter Doocy doesn't get to have an entire press briefing to himself is no reason for you to cry wolf.

[Bhaalizmo]

https://i.imgur.com/Ff0nrEF.jpg

[Shaps]

ROFL... now that's a funny headline.

[Solkern]

Trump was never working for or with the Russians.

[SHAFT]

Trump was never working for or with the Russians.

He was trying to build a trump tower in Moscow in 2015/16 while telling everyone he had nothing to do with Russia.

[Tgo01]

He was trying to build a trump tower in Moscow in 2015/16 while telling everyone he had nothing to do with Russia.

A business mogul building a business in another country? This is grave news. Wait until everyone hears how many American companies have a business venture in Russia.

[~Rocktar~]

He was trying to build a trump tower in Moscow in 2015/16 while telling everyone he had nothing to do with Russia.

Now do Biden and Hunter's deals with China which are arguably much more corrupt than Trump trying to get regulatory approval to build in Russia.

[SHAFT]

A business mogul building a business in another country? This is grave news. Wait until everyone hears how many American companies have a business venture in Russia.

You enjoy being lied to, apparently. Have a little dignity.

[Tgo01]

You enjoy being lied to, apparently. Have a little dignity.

Biden bumbling his way in the presidency, leaving people dead and murdered in his wake, terrorists taking over entire countries, dictators threatening to invade other countries, inflation is skyrocketing and poor and lower middle class families can no longer afford food like they used to, the middle class is crumbling right before our very eyes, Democrats have ditched the "Stay home! Stay lives!" mantra as soon as the polls showed it was unpopular ("We're following the science!"), but here you are worrying about Trump trying to build a Trump Tower in Russia 7 years ago.

At least pretend to give a shit about the people you claim to care about.

[SHAFT]

Biden bumbling his way in the presidency, leaving people dead and murdered in his wake, terrorists taking over entire countries, dictators threatening to invade other countries, inflation is skyrocketing and poor and lower middle class families can no longer afford food like they used to, the middle class is crumbling right before our very eyes, Democrats have ditched the "Stay home! Stay lives!" mantra as soon as the polls showed it was unpopular ("We're following the science!"), but here you are worrying about Trump trying to build a Trump Tower in Russia 7 years ago.

At least pretend to give a shit about the people you claim to care about.

Focus. Trump lied to you repeatedly and yet day after day, you return asking for more. Sad!

[Tgo01]

Focus. Trump lied to you repeatedly and yet day after day, you return asking for more. Sad!

Focus! Like focus on the important shit!

Let's say you're 100% correct that Trump lied about about having "connections" to Russia because he was "secretly" building a Trump Tower in Russia (he didn't, but let's just for the sake of argument say you're right), does this really matter in the grand scheme of things?

People's lives were demonstrably improving under Trump. Trump was trying to avert yet more wars across the world.

People's lives are now demonstrably worse under Biden. Dictators and terrorists are invading sovereign nations. Dictators and communists such as China are getting more and more powerful under Biden while they continue to commit genocide and wage a social war against the gay community. And you're STILL not over a possible Trump Tower in Russia?

Get some perspective already, for God's sake.

You don't have to admit you've been a tool for the Democrat party for the past 6+ years so they could gain power at any cost, but at least don't make it so obvious.

[Methais]

You enjoy being lied to, apparently. Have a little dignity.

This might be the most self unaware thing you've posted in...at least 3 days.

[Methais]

Focus. Trump lied to you repeatedly and yet day after day, you return asking for more. Sad!

This might be the most self unaware thing you've posted in...at least 7 minutes.

[Neveragain]

He was trying to build a trump tower in Moscow in 2015/16 while telling everyone he had nothing to do with Russia.

Remember when the wall fell and we were told that we needed to bring capitalism to the Russian people and then everyone from McDonalds to Coke started doing business in Russia?

[Parkbandit]

He was trying to build a trump tower in Moscow in 2015/16 while telling everyone he had nothing to do with Russia.

So... he wasn't a Russian operative.. he wasn't colluding with Russia to win the election.. he didn't go over to Russia to take a leak on prostitutes on a bed Obama slept in once...

You're goalpost is now "he was trying to build a building in Moscow in 2015 and 2016"....

So you enjoy being lied to... and your dignity went away a long, long time ago.. if you ever had any to begin with.

[Parkbandit]

Other things you've claimed Trump did in this very thread:

1) Trump was money laundering for the Russians.
2) Trump Jr. was going to get indicted. (lolololoolooloololololololololollolooll)
3) It took 2 years to get Nixon. Trump is fucked.
4) Trump conspired with the Russians.
5) There is evidence of collusion.
6) HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, this is the thread when you posted something retarded.. then you claimed we don't have video proof of you posting it..... Hall of fame shit right here.
7) Trump is a Russian Asset.
8) That the Trump dossier was proven to be more true than false.
9) Trump is a spy.
10) Russia hacked the voting system in 2016.


I just couldn't read anymore of your monumentally retarded posts.. so those were just the 10 I bothered reading.

You are too fucking retarded to have any self awareness at all... aren't you?

[Solkern]

He was trying to build a trump tower in Moscow in 2015/16 while telling everyone he had nothing to do with Russia.

I was specifically talking about colluding or whatever while he was President. What he did before doesn’t matter, and him lying about it doesn’t really matter either.

[SHAFT]

I was specifically talking about colluding or whatever while he was President. What he did before doesn’t matter, and him lying about it doesn’t really matter either.

The lie helped get him elected, so clearly doesn't matter now.

So much for holding our elected officials to a higher standard huh? Conservatives love the abuse, though.

[Methais]

The lie helped get him elected, so clearly doesn't matter now.

So much for holding our elected officials to a higher standard huh? Conservatives love the abuse, though.

This is the most self unaware post you've made in at least 2 hours and 47 minutes.

[Gelston]

The lie helped get him elected, so clearly doesn't matter now.

So much for holding our elected officials to a higher standard huh? Conservatives love the abuse, though.

Helped him get elected against Hillary? No, Hillary being Hillary is how he got elected. He'd have lost against any other Democrat.

[SHAFT]

Helped him get elected against Hillary? No, Hillary being Hillary is how he got elected. He'd have lost against any other Democrat.

You're probably right. Admitting to sexual assault while being accused of sexual assault by 20+ women didn't hurt him.

[Parkbandit]

You're probably right. Admitting to sexual assault while being accused of sexual assault by 20+ women didn't hurt him.

Biden is proof of this.

[Seran]

Focus. Trump lied to you repeatedly and yet day after day, you return asking for more. Sad!

But but Hillary and Biden!

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

You're probably right. Admitting to sexual assault while being accused of sexual assault by 20+ women didn't hurt him.

Do you find it interesting all that disappeared? And how about Avenatti, remember that guy?

[Parkbandit]

Do you find it interesting all that disappeared? And how about Avenatti, remember that guy?

You are asking Shaft to add 2 and 2 together and come up with 4.

He can't.

[SHAFT]

Do you find it interesting all that disappeared? And how about Avenatti, remember that guy?

Who knows? I know there's a Wikipedia page dedicated to it. It may be longer than his regular Wikipedia page. Holy shit:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_sexual_misconduct_allegations

All I can say is the guy admitted to sexually assaulting women, made an video acknowledging he admitted it, and 20+ women accused him of it. If 1 woman is telling the truth that's all it takes. The odds that 1 of those women is being truthful are high.

If Bill Clinton ran for office again I wouldn't vote for him.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Who knows? I know there's a Wikipedia page dedicated to it. It may be longer than his regular Wikipedia page. Holy shit:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_sexual_misconduct_allegations

All I can say is the guy admitted to sexually assaulting women, made an video acknowledging he admitted it, and 20+ women accused him of it. If 1 woman is telling the truth that's all it takes. The odds that 1 of those women is being truthful are high.

If Bill Clinton ran for office again I wouldn't vote for him.

I mean if wikipedia is your standard...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Biden_sexual_assault_allegation#:~:text=During %20the%202020%20election%20campaign,in%20a%20Capit ol%20Hill%20office
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Hillary_Clinton_controversies
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Biden_administration_controversies

[SHAFT]

I mean if wikipedia is your standard...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Biden_sexual_assault_allegation#:~:text=During %20the%202020%20election%20campaign,in%20a%20Capit ol%20Hill%20office
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Hillary_Clinton_controversies
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Biden_administration_controversies

The difference between Biden and Trump is that Trump admitted he sexually assaults women. It's on tape.

If Biden admitted to it or somehow evidence surfaced of him sexually assaulting women, I'd say impeach him and hold him accountable.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

The difference between Biden and Trump is that Trump admitted he sexually assaults women. It's on tape.

If Biden admitted to it or somehow evidence surfaced of him sexually assaulting women, I'd say impeach him and hold him accountable.

Are you talking about the Billy Bush recording as him sexually assaulting women?

[SHAFT]

Are you talking about the Billy Bush recording as him sexually assaulting women?

Yes, the Access Hollywood tape.

Trump: "Yeah that's her with the gold. I better use some Tic Tacs just in case I start kissing her. You know I'm automatically attracted to beautiful... I just start kissing them. It's like a magnet. Just kiss. I don't even wait. And when you're a star they let you do it. You can do anything."

Bush: "Whatever you want."

Trump: "Grab them by the pussy. You can do anything."

[Parkbandit]

Yes, the Access Hollywood tape.

Trump: "Yeah that's her with the gold. I better use some Tic Tacs just in case I start kissing her. You know I'm automatically attracted to beautiful... I just start kissing them. It's like a magnet. Just kiss. I don't even wait. And when you're a star they let you do it. You can do anything."

Bush: "Whatever you want."

Trump: "Grab them by the pussy. You can do anything."

Even that quote doesn't support your claim. Do you have something better.. you know, one where the assault is against their will?

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Yes, the Access Hollywood tape.

Trump: "Yeah that's her with the gold. I better use some Tic Tacs just in case I start kissing her. You know I'm automatically attracted to beautiful... I just start kissing them. It's like a magnet. Just kiss. I don't even wait. And when you're a star they let you do it. You can do anything."

Bush: "Whatever you want."

Trump: "Grab them by the pussy. You can do anything."

I think it takes a lot to translate that into sexual assault. It's on tape, if it's sexual assault, he'd be convicted for it right?

[Gelston]

You're probably right. Admitting to sexual assault while being accused of sexual assault by 20+ women didn't hurt him.

Yes, even with that he defeated Hillary Clinton. Says more about how shitty of a candidate she was than anything else.

[Methais]

I think it takes a lot to translate that into sexual assault. It's on tape, if it's sexual assault, he'd be convicted for it right?

It's probably because....


And when you're a star they let you do it.

Letting someone do something indicates consent.

[SHAFT]

Yes, even with that he defeated Hillary Clinton. Says more about how shitty of a candidate she was than anything else.

It says more about a large % of Americans. That’s the key.

[SHAFT]

I think it takes a lot to translate that into sexual assault. It's on tape, if it's sexual assault, he'd be convicted for it right?

Whatever you guys gotta tell yourselves to sleep at night for supporting trump.

When my daughter is grown up I can look her in the eye and tell her I didn’t support him.

[Tgo01]

When my daughter is grown up I can look her in the eye and tell her I didn’t support him.

Yet you voted for Biden who has a long history of kissing and hugging women and children in public without their consent. Even the NYT did a story on all of the women Biden has groped over the many decades he was in office.

Why do people like you pretend this shit never happened? Is it because you feel guilty for voting for perhaps the worst president the world has ever known?

[Gelston]

It says more about a large % of Americans. That’s the key.

Or that Hillary was so fucknig repulsive that she could lose to someone like Trump. Yeah, just blame all of America though and not the completely out of touch party that put that woman up there.

[Gelston]

Whatever you guys gotta tell yourselves to sleep at night for supporting trump.

When my daughter is grown up I can look her in the eye and tell her I didn’t support him.

And she will probably say "Why do you always bring up political shit on Thanksgiving dinner?"

[Parkbandit]

Whatever you guys gotta tell yourselves to sleep at night for supporting trump.

You obviously don't understand the definition of sexual assault.


When my daughter is grown up I can look her in the eye and tell her I didn’t support him.

Are you going to tell her all the lies you said about him, because you had a complete meltdown because your girl Hillary lost? All the stuff you believed that was made up because you are a gullible retard?

[Solkern]

The lie helped get him elected, so clearly doesn't matter now.

So much for holding our elected officials to a higher standard huh? Conservatives love the abuse, though.

Well, I’m a democrat. I hate Trump, I think he’s an idiot… but to say he colluded with Russia is just not true imo. I’ve always maintained that stance.

[SHAFT]

Well, I’m a democrat. I hate Trump, I think he’s an idiot… but to say he colluded with Russia is just not true imo. I’ve always maintained that stance.

Agreed, I don’t think Donald trump personally colluded with Russia. We do know his campaign staff met with Russians to get dirt on Clinton and his campaign manager gave polling data to Russians. All of which is public info.

Cheers on hating Trump, tho. I dig it.

[Methais]

Agreed, I don’t think Donald trump personally colluded with Russia. We do know his campaign staff met with Russians to get dirt on Clinton and his campaign manager gave polling data to Russians. All of which is public info.

Cheers on hating Trump, tho. I dig it.

https://c.tenor.com/4opamcAljRQAAAAd/laugh-smile.gif

[Parkbandit]

Agreed, I don’t think Donald trump personally colluded with Russia. We do know his campaign staff met with Russians to get dirt on Clinton and his campaign manager gave polling data to Russians. All of which is public info.

Cheers on hating Trump, tho. I dig it.

Holy shit... so the entire premise of the Russian Investigation: That President Trump colluded with the Russian government.. you FINALLY figure out 4 years later.. was bullshit?

I'm actually shocked that you could come to that conclusion.. the same conclusion that a person with normal intelligence knew 4 years ago.

There is hope out there... retards CAN learn (eventually)...

[Methais]

Holy shit... so the entire premise of the Russian Investigation: That President Trump colluded with the Russian government.. you FINALLY figure out 4 years later.. was bullshit?

I'm actually shocked that you could come to that conclusion.. the same conclusion that a person with normal intelligence knew 4 years ago.

There is hope out there... retards CAN learn (eventually)...

Hillary is pure and innocent though and had nothing at all to do with the Russia hoax. I know this is true because SHAFT said so.

[time4fun]

Hillary is pure and innocent though and had nothing at all to do with the Russia hoax. I know this is true because SHAFT said so.

What hoax are you referring to?

And specifically what did Clinton have to do with it?

[Solkern]

Agreed, I don’t think Donald trump personally colluded with Russia. We do know his campaign staff met with Russians to get dirt on Clinton and his campaign manager gave polling data to Russians. All of which is public info.

Cheers on hating Trump, tho. I dig it.

I’m not sure about his staff, they were probably willing to accept information from anyone tbh. At the same time I wouldn’t say they were colluding, just willing to accept what was offered.

[Parkbandit]

There is hope out there... retards CAN learn (eventually)...


What hoax are you referring to?

Ok, that's on me.

I should have said "SOME retards."

[Methais]

What hoax are you referring to?

And specifically what did Clinton have to do with it?

You're gonna have to do better than that if you plan on getting your title back from Seran.

[SHAFT]

"Debunked" by whom exactly? Hillary Clinton?

Even Durham called bullshit on this. Once again, right-wingers run with fake news and conservatives are either too stupid or unethical to realize otherwise.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/17/us/politics/durham-right-wing-media-trump.html

[Tgo01]

Even Durham called bullshit on this. Once again, right-wingers run with fake news and conservatives are either too stupid or unethical to realize otherwise.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/17/us/politics/durham-right-wing-media-trump.html

Dude, you literally cite fake news to show that conservatives fall for fake news.

Here is Durham's statement in full:


If third parties or members of the media have overstated, understated, or otherwise misinterpreted facts contained in the Government’s Motion, that does not in any way undermine the valid reasons for the Government’s inclusion of this information.

That in no way is Durham "distancing" himself from anything. He's pointing out that regardless of right wing media perhaps "overstating" the charges, or left wing media very clearly "understating" and "misinterpreting" the facts, has absolutely no bearing on the government including this information in his filings. Because law enforcement agencies are SUPPOSED to be neutral, regardless of what the media, pundits, or politicians are saying. I know it's hard to remember this given how Democrats have politicized law enforcement for the past 6+ years to "get" Trump and protect Democrats, but this is how things are supposed to be done. Also Democrats have been politicizing law enforcement for many decades to "get" Republicans while protecting Democrats, they just way over played their hand since Trump and have made it way too obvious.

The facts of his filing still remain.

In case you forgot I'll remind you:

A company misused its access to government servers in order to hand over a bogus Russia narrative to Democrat lawyer tied to the Clinton campaign.
Said corrupt Democrat lawyer then handed over this information to the FBI.
FBI used this information as a basis for the now thoroughly debunked Russian collusion narrative that the left wing media and politicians still to this day haven't apologized for pushing and in many cases still say the Russian collusion narrative is true.

Really, just stop pretending you're neutral in regards to politics and you hate both sides equally, when in reality all you ever do is shit on one side and protect the other. We already have drauz for that role, we don't need another.

[Solkern]

A Russian-backed separatist leader in eastern Ukraine has declared that war is about to begin after ordering women, children, and the elderly to flee over the border to Russia in an ominous sign that this may be the pretext the Kremlin needs for a full-fledged offensive.

Denis Pushilin, head of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic, appeared on Russian state television just hours after he announced mass evacuations. Asked point blank by a Rossiya 24 host whether the situation is headed for full-scale war, he said, “Yes, unfortunately. Yes.”


Here we go.

[~Rocktar~]

Yah, another war that Democrats cause for the world.

[Parkbandit]

Yah, another war that Democrats cause for the world.

Not really sure you can blame this on Biden. Certainly, his Limp Wrist Diplomacy II didn't help, but you can't say President Biden caused this.

It does keep President Trump's record of being the most peaceful President since the 2 1/2 year Presidency of Gerald Ford intact though.

[~Rocktar~]

Not really sure you can blame this on Biden. Certainly, his Limp Wrist Diplomacy II didn't help, but you can't say President Biden caused this.

It does keep President Trump's record of being the most peaceful President since the 2 1/2 year Presidency of Gerald Ford intact though.

So the limp wrist "diplomacy" and him saying on air that a minor incursion would basically be ok didn't cause this? Putin has done this shit all along, wanting to push about letting Ukraine in NATO. Previously, he backed off when presented with a strong front and some talks. This time, soggy wet pasta would be stiffer and with Biden basically saying go ahead and the Democrat/Leftist media and politicians pushing for it how can you not blame them? The fucknugget Democrats have all been about limp wrist BS since the fall of the wall and whining about "the peace dividend" well, the peace dividend was peace. Now, we aren't doing what we did and we have more ward, more death and more costs to come. They don't get a pass in making this happen. Putin is a known quantity and always has been so I don't blame him for acting how he acts.

[Parkbandit]

So the limp wrist "diplomacy" and him saying on air that a minor incursion would basically be ok didn't cause this? Putin has done this shit all along, wanting to push about letting Ukraine in NATO. Previously, he backed off when presented with a strong front and some talks. This time, soggy wet pasta would be stiffer and with Biden basically saying go ahead and the Democrat/Leftist media and politicians pushing for it how can you not blame them? The fucknugget Democrats have all been about limp wrist BS since the fall of the wall and whining about "the peace dividend" well, the peace dividend was peace. Now, we aren't doing what we did and we have more ward, more death and more costs to come. They don't get a pass in making this happen. Putin is a known quantity and always has been so I don't blame him for acting how he acts.

No. The actual cause is Putin. He is the one amassing troops along the Ukraine border.

[~Rocktar~]

No. The actual cause is Putin. He is the one amassing troops along the Ukraine border.

Fair enough. He had done this before, if not stopped, he will keep doing it. I just don't see giving the warmongering Dems a pass on it at all. I hope for an impeachment and removal of both of them after the midterms lest we really get into a serious war.

[Seran]

Rocktard has gone heavy handed retarded again. As if Biden personally started the separatist movement Donetsk, which predated his Presidency, or were responsible for removing the Russian operatives from the same region. Which I'll remind you was ignored by Trump.

But let us not forget that Trump support Russia on Crimea, justifying it because most of them spoke Russian and they were happier with Russia. If anyone's responsible for emboldening Putin on Ukraine it was Trump and those remarks.

[Parkbandit]

Rocktard has gone heavy handed retarded again.

Someone should offer you some help:

https://i2.wp.com/www.thepathway2success.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/self-awareness-activities-for-kids-2.jpg?resize=600%2C600&ssl=1


As if Biden personally started the separatist movement Donetsk, which predated his Presidency, or were responsible for removing the Russian operatives from the same region. Which I'll remind you was ignored by Trump.

But let us not forget that Trump support Russia on Crimea, justifying it because most of them spoke Russian and they were happier with Russia. If anyone's responsible for emboldening Putin on Ukraine it was Trump and those remarks.

Jesus. How fucking retarded are you on any given day?

You do realize that Russia invaded Crimea during the Obama Administration... right?

[Solkern]

So the limp wrist "diplomacy" and him saying on air that a minor incursion would basically be ok didn't cause this? Putin has done this shit all along, wanting to push about letting Ukraine in NATO. Previously, he backed off when presented with a strong front and some talks. This time, soggy wet pasta would be stiffer and with Biden basically saying go ahead and the Democrat/Leftist media and politicians pushing for it how can you not blame them? The fucknugget Democrats have all been about limp wrist BS since the fall of the wall and whining about "the peace dividend" well, the peace dividend was peace. Now, we aren't doing what we did and we have more ward, more death and more costs to come. They don't get a pass in making this happen. Putin is a known quantity and always has been so I don't blame him for acting how he acts.


You really think this is about NATO? Lol…

[Solkern]

Someone should offer you some help:

https://i2.wp.com/www.thepathway2success.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/self-awareness-activities-for-kids-2.jpg?resize=600%2C600&ssl=1



Jesus. How fucking retarded are you on any given day?

You do realize that Russia invaded Crimea during the Obama Administration... right?

Seran was saying that Trump supported the invasion because they spoke Russian, and wanted to join Russia.
Not that it happened under Trump.

[Seran]

You do realize that Russia invaded Crimea during the Obama Administration... right?

Your reading comprehension is nonexistent per usual. Trump have Putin a pass at a summit because of the excuses Trump offered.

[Parkbandit]

Your reading comprehension is nonexistent per usual. Trump have Putin a pass at a summit because of the excuses Trump offered.

It's difficult to read your posts, let alone glean any intelligence from them is due to your inability to properly craft a sentence.

And because you are retarded.

So... during the Obama Administration, Russia annexed the Crimea.. and now during the Biden Administration, we are at the brink of an invasion.

But the REAL reason he's done all this nation building is because back in 2014, citizen Trump said it was ok?

[Gelston]

Your reading comprehension is nonexistent per usual. Trump have Putin a pass at a summit because of the excuses Trump offered.

Nah, I blame this more on Biden because of how weak Obama's response was to Putin's first annexation. Biden was a part of that administration and I bet he is expecting more of them same. He didn't try stuff with Trump because Trump, love or hate, was a big unknown to everyone.

[Methais]

Not really sure you can blame this on Biden. Certainly, his Limp Wrist Diplomacy II didn't help, but you can't say President Biden caused this.

It does keep President Trump's record of being the most peaceful President since the 2 1/2 year Presidency of Gerald Ford intact though.

Indirectly maybe, just because Biden is so weak and pathetic and Russia knows this. But Biden is weak and pathetic in regards to literally everything else too, including not shitting his pants.

[~Rocktar~]

You really think this is about NATO? Lol…

It's the primary public issue Putin has negotiated on. And it's about the pipeline that Biden waived sanctions on like the start of his presidency and construction started back 4 days later.

[Solkern]

It's the primary public issue Putin has negotiated on. And it's about the pipeline that Biden waived sanctions on like the start of his presidency and construction started back 4 days later.


If you know anything about Putin and Russia, you should know that Putin is a fucking master of manipulation and misdirection, he’s playing chess while Biden is playing checkers. What he says in public, isn’t what he wants or cares about. His NATO claims are just a front, Ukraine will not join NATO anytime in the foreseeable future, that’s something that is widely known. That’s with or without Russian troops on their borders.

Putin cares about the Donbas region. He wants constitutional changes and the Donbas be given near absolute autonomy, before Ukraine can get it back under control. This would effectively give Russia full veto power in any decision made by the Ukrainian government. Pretty much making Ukraine to Russia what Hong Kong is now to China.

Putin did fuck up this time, he was expecting the same type of response as he got when he invaded Crimea. He wasn’t expecting a united NATO response. Now he’s effectively backed into a corner where he has to invade.

Oh and an FYI: Crimea is pronounced like “Cream”.

[Methais]

Putin cares about the Donbas region.


In before Seran is like DONBAS = DONALD = TRUMP = PROOF THAT TRUMP IS A RUSSIAN AGENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Solkern]

In before Seran is like DONBAS = DONALD = TRUMP = PROOF THAT TRUMP IS A RUSSIAN AGENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


In my opinion, if Trump was president now, Putin could have taken the Donbas region and nothing would have been done as punishment. NATO was so fractured that any thought of a united response just isn’t plausible.

[Methais]

In my opinion, if Trump was president now, Putin could have taken the Donbas region and nothing would have been done as punishment. NATO was so fractured that any thought of a united response just isn’t plausible.

https://i.imgur.com/C7kBgB1.gif

[Solkern]

https://i.imgur.com/C7kBgB1.gif

Nah, I know what you did and I laughed. Just wanted to add that two cents since Trump has been brought up multiple times here before.

[Gelston]

Oh and an FYI: Crimea is pronounced like “Cream”.

Not in America it isn't, and America is the only place that matters.

[Methais]

Not in America it isn't, and America is the only place that exists.

Fixed.

[Gelston]

Fixed.

no, we allow other places to exist.

[Solkern]

https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/21/europe/russia-ukraine-tensions-monday-intl/index.html

Kyiv and Lviv, Ukraine (CNN)Russian President Vladimir Putin has ordered troops into separatist-held parts of eastern Ukraine in what the Kremlin called a "peacekeeping" mission, just hours after he signed decrees recognizing the independence of the Moscow-backed regions.

Here we go. I guess we find out if Biden and NATO are a bunch of bitches or not.

[Solkern]

Not in America it isn't, and America is the only place that matters.

True statement!

[Seran]

Looks like President Biden was right all along, Putin just invaded Ukraine for the second time. Let's prep for some serious Fox News spin announcing Ukraine as the invaders.

[Neveragain]

Looks like President Biden was right all along, Putin just invaded Ukraine for the second time. Let's prep for some serious Fox News spin announcing Ukraine as the invaders.

https://c.tenor.com/V-_xd1zoyp0AAAAC/vladimir-putin-shrug.gif

[Candor]

Looks like President Biden was right all along, Putin just invaded Ukraine for the second time. Let's prep for some serious Fox News spin announcing Ukraine as the invaders.

I think your drugs have passed their expiration date.

[Parkbandit]

Looks like President Biden was right all along, Putin just invaded Ukraine for the second time. Let's prep for some serious Fox News spin announcing Ukraine as the invaders.

This is what trying to be funny but failing miserably looks like.

[Seran]

Denial isn't surprising either. Invasion? Comrade I see no Invasion here

[~Rocktar~]

Germany shelves Nord Stream 2 natural gas pipeline in response to Russia’s moves on Ukraine

https://fortune.com/2022/02/22/germany-shelves-nord-stream-2-natural-gas-pipeline-russia-moves-ukraine-donbas/

Wouldn't have to be here had Biden not suspended sanctions against it on arrival. It's highly unlikely that any of this goes well at all.

[Gelston]

Looks like President Biden was right all along, Putin just invaded Ukraine for the second time. Let's prep for some serious Fox News spin announcing Ukraine as the invaders.

Umm.. They didn't do that for the first one, why would they for this one?

[Methais]

Umm.. They didn't do that for the first one, why would they for this one?

Seran just blurts out random words and thinks he's being smart and witty, but 100% of the time he's just dumb and cringey.

Pretty sure he gets all of his info from Occupy Democrats and treats it as fact.

[Alfster]

https://fortune.com/2022/02/22/germany-shelves-nord-stream-2-natural-gas-pipeline-russia-moves-ukraine-donbas/

Wouldn't have to be here had Biden not suspended sanctions against it on arrival. It's highly unlikely that any of this goes well at all.

You think we'd be in a different place had sanctions stayed? Lol

[Seran]

https://fortune.com/2022/02/22/germany-shelves-nord-stream-2-natural-gas-pipeline-russia-moves-ukraine-donbas/

Wouldn't have to be here had Biden not suspended sanctions against it on arrival. It's highly unlikely that any of this goes well at all.

Because I'm sure our ally Germany and the rest of western Europe was thrilled with us trying to assert authority over their energy needs. Nordstream 2 is a European issue, not an American one.

[Neveragain]

You think we'd be in a different place had sanctions stayed? Lol


Because I'm sure our ally Germany and the rest of western Europe was thrilled with us trying to assert authority over their energy needs. Nordstream 2 is a European issue, not an American one.

Is it a "we" problem or a "European" problem?

It would really help us understand the Democrat view of whether we spend less on military or more on military. So far, there hasn't been a Democrat mention drawing down our defense spending to pre-Obama Afghanistan levels.

[Seran]

Is it a "we" problem or a "European" problem?

It would really help us understand the Democrat view of whether we spend less on military or more on military. So far, there hasn't been a Democrat mention drawing down our defense spending to pre-Obama Afghanistan levels.

And again you're implying our country has an obligation to unilaterally decide the political and security decisions of independent foreign powers. Ukraine is not our ally, we do not have a defense treaty and they're not a member of NATO, so I don't see what our military spending has to do with Ukraine.

Though since we no longer have tens of thousands of active troops in Iraq and Afghanistan, perhaps you might understand our no longer funding the Pentagon as if we had full scale active wars we're participating in. Might.

[Gelston]

And again you're implying our country has an obligation to unilaterally decide the political and security decisions of independent foreign powers. Ukraine is not our ally, we do not have a defense treaty and they're not a member of NATO, so I don't see what our military spending has to do with Ukraine.

Though since we no longer have tens of thousands of active troops in Iraq and Afghanistan, perhaps you might understand our no longer funding the Pentagon as if we had full scale active wars we're participating in. Might.

We don't have a military treaty with the Ukraine, but they are very much considered an ally.

[Methais]

And again you're implying our country has an obligation to unilaterally decide the political and security decisions of independent foreign powers. Ukraine is not our ally, we do not have a defense treaty and they're not a member of NATO, so I don't see what our military spending has to do with Ukraine.

Though since we no longer have tens of thousands of active troops in Iraq and Afghanistan, perhaps you might understand our no longer funding the Pentagon as if we had full scale active wars we're participating in. Might.

The reason I know that Ukraine is our ally is because you said they're not our ally, and you're wrong about everything 100% of the time.

It's because you're stupid.

And butthurt.

[Seran]

We don't have a military treaty with the Ukraine, but they are very much considered an ally.

Sorry, State Department says you're wrong.

https://www.state.gov/u-s-relations-with-ukraine/

[Neveragain]

And again you're implying our country has an obligation to unilaterally decide the political and security decisions of independent foreign powers. Ukraine is not our ally, we do not have a defense treaty and they're not a member of NATO, so I don't see what our military spending has to do with Ukraine.

Though since we no longer have tens of thousands of active troops in Iraq and Afghanistan, perhaps you might understand our no longer funding the Pentagon as if we had full scale active wars we're participating in. Might.

And yet, the west does what the US says.

[Methais]

Sorry, State Department says you're wrong.

https://www.state.gov/u-s-relations-with-ukraine/

Nothing in that link backs up what you're saying. What a shocker.


U.S.-UKRAINE RELATIONS

The United States established diplomatic relations with Ukraine in 1991, following its independence from the Soviet Union. The United States attaches great importance to the success of Ukraine as a free and democratic state with a flourishing market economy. U.S. policy is centered on supporting Ukraine in the face of continued Russian aggression as it advances reforms to strengthen democratic institutions, fight corruption, and promote conditions for economic growth and competition. The United States does not, and will not ever, recognize Russia’s attempted annexation of Crimea, and continues to work with our partners to seek a diplomatic solution to the Russia-instigated conflict in eastern Ukraine. The U.S.-Ukraine Charter on Strategic Partnership highlights the importance of the bilateral relationship and the continued commitment of the United States to support enhanced engagement between the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) and Ukraine.

U.S. Assistance to Ukraine

U.S. Government assistance to Ukraine aims to support the development of a secure, democratic, prosperous, and free Ukraine, fully integrated into the Euro-Atlantic community.

Bilateral Economic Relations

The United States has granted Ukraine market economy status and terminated the application of the Jackson-Vanik amendment to Ukraine, giving Ukraine permanent normal trade relations status. The United States and Ukraine have a bilateral investment treaty. U.S. exports to Ukraine include coal, machinery, vehicles, agricultural products, fish and seafood, and aircraft. U.S. imports from Ukraine include iron and steel, inorganic chemicals, oil, iron and steel products, aircraft, and agricultural products. The U.S.-Ukraine Council on Trade and Investment was established under the countries’ agreement on trade and investment cooperation and works to increase commercial and investment opportunities by identifying and removing impediments to bilateral trade and investment flows.

Ukraine’s Membership in International Organizations

Ukraine and the United States belong to a number of the same international organizations, including the United Nations, Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe, International Monetary Fund, World Bank, World Trade Organization, and Euro-Atlantic Partnership Council. Ukraine also is an observer to the Organization of American States.

Bilateral Representation

Principal embassy officials are listed in the Department’s Key Officers List.

Ukraine maintains an embassy in the United States at 3350 M Street NW, Washington, DC 20007 (tel. 202-349-2920).

[Seran]

Nothing in that link backs up what you're saying. What a shocker.

Yeah? Show me where the word ally or alliance is in that document, point out our defense pact or defense treaty. They're not there, only in your syphilis rotten brain.

[Methais]

Yeah? Show me where the word ally or alliance is in that document, point out our defense pact or defense treaty. They're not there, only in your syphilis rotten brain.

Paste anything at all from your own LINK (https://www.state.gov/u-s-relations-with-ukraine/) that indicates we're not allies.


They're not there, only in your syphilis rotten brain.

There is no need for projection. We already know you're dumb as fuckall.

[Neveragain]

Yeah? Show me where the word ally or alliance is in that document, point out our defense pact or defense treaty. They're not there, only in your syphilis rotten brain.

https://www.networld-sports.co.uk/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/FORZA-Moving-Goal-into-Place.gif

[Gelston]

Sorry, State Department says you're wrong.

https://www.state.gov/u-s-relations-with-ukraine/

It actually says I'm right and that you don't know what the word ally means, or that you don't even read your own citations. Probably both.

"The United States and Ukraine have a bilateral investment treaty." Look at that, a treaty, making us at the very least economic allies.

Amazing!!! "The U.S.-Ukraine Charter on Strategic Partnership " We have a charter on strategic partnership. That looks an awful lot like we consider them to be an ally there too.

And CATO considers them a military ally.

https://www.cato.org/commentary/when-did-ukraine-become-important-us-ally

Of course, Seran knows better than CATO institute.

Hey look, the Washington Post calls them a Geopolitical Ally.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2019/11/12/us-relationship-with-ukraine-runs-deep-heres-why/

But no, Seran knows better than them too.

Oh wait, Forbes does too.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/forbesinternational/2019/12/23/ukraine-how-a-us-ally-is-being-made-a-scapegoat/?sh=268828f2594d

But no, Seran knows more than Forbes.

And BEFORE you go WAAAH! IT DOESN'T SPECIFICALLY SAY THE WOIRD ALLY IN THERE!!!!

It doesn't for the UK either.

https://www.state.gov/u-s-relations-with-united-kingdom/

[Alfster]

Is it a "we" problem or a "European" problem?

It would really help us understand the Democrat view of whether we spend less on military or more on military. So far, there hasn't been a Democrat mention drawing down our defense spending to pre-Obama Afghanistan levels.

I said we as in it's the world's problem now. Sanctions wouldn't have made a difference in this.

Putin doesn't seem to like the minor uprising in Belarus and kazakhstan as they appear to be a threat to him. Seems to me he thought he'd walk in like during Obama years and no one would bat an eye.

I'm all for the current approach. Keep our forces out and supply the Ukrainians. Much cheaper than deploying tens of thousands of troops and armor with minimal risk to personnel.

[Seran]

It actually says I'm right and that you don't know what the word ally means, or that you don't even read your own citations. Probably both.

"The United States and Ukraine have a bilateral investment treaty." Look at that, a treaty, making us at the very least economic allies.

Amazing!!! "The U.S.-Ukraine Charter on Strategic Partnership " We have a charter on strategic partnership. That looks an awful lot like we consider them to be an ally there too.

And CATO considers them a military ally.

https://www.cato.org/commentary/when-did-ukraine-become-important-us-ally

Of course, Seran knows better than CATO institute.

Hey look, the Washington Post calls them a Geopolitical Ally.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2019/11/12/us-relationship-with-ukraine-runs-deep-heres-why/

But no, Seran knows better than them too.

Oh wait, Forbes does too.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/forbesinternational/2019/12/23/ukraine-how-a-us-ally-is-being-made-a-scapegoat/?sh=268828f2594d

But no, Seran knows more than Forbes.

And BEFORE you go WAAAH! IT DOESN'T SPECIFICALLY SAY THE WOIRD ALLY IN THERE!!!!

It doesn't for the UK either.

https://www.state.gov/u-s-relations-with-united-kingdom/

No dude you can trot out as many opinion pieces as you want but they're just somebody we trade with. We have absolutely no obligation to protect Ukraine. Fucking stupid that you sit here and and contradict the Secretary of State's information page with a Forbes article. What a fool you are.

As for the United Kingdom, you obviously didn't read that page otherwise you would have noticed they're listed as our Ally and a security partner. Never mind the page lists them as a fellow NATO member.


Other than a brief break in relations during the War of 1812, the United States and the United Kingdom have remained durable partners and Allies. Our partnership is the foundation of our mutual prosperity and security.

[Tgo01]

Seran when Trump is president: ZOMG! Trump just totally bullied our good and trusted ally Ukraine! Impeach him!
Seran when Biden is president: LOL! Fuck Ukraine! Let them all die!

Seran is a good warning story to little children. "Never dive head first into far left politics or else you might grow up to be a bitter, jaded, shit head like this man did."

[Seran]

Seran when Trump is president: ZOMG! Trump just totally bullied our good and trusted ally Ukraine! Impeach him!
Seran when Biden is president: LOL! Fuck Ukraine! Let them all die!

Seran is a good warning story to little children. "Never dive head first into far left politics or else you might grow up to be a bitter, jaded, shit head like this man did."

Donald Trump trying to blackmail Ukraine into fabricating damning evidence against his political opponent with "the perfect phone call" is not leadership.

President Biden sending armed forces to NATO ally countries surrounding Ukraine, announcing to the world Russia was going to invade (which they did.) and now imposing massive sanctions as a result. That is leadership. It's just sad you Conservashits don't understand the difference.

[Gelston]

No dude you can trot out as many opinion pieces as you want but they're just somebody we trade with. We have absolutely no obligation to protect Ukraine. Fucking stupid that you sit here and and contradict the Secretary of State's information page with a Forbes article. What a fool you are.

As for the United Kingdom, you obviously didn't read that page otherwise you would have noticed they're listed as our Ally and a security partner. Never mind the page lists them as a fellow NATO member.

So the UK isn't an ally either, because, you know, it doesn't say ally on there.

The fact that we literally have an economic treaty (economic ally!!!) with them apparently means nothing to you.

But yeah, you don't know what the word "ally" means but still presume to know more than entire institutes that study foreign and diplomatic policies.

And again, I never said we were military allies, nor did I say we had a duty to defend them, as you can see in my quote below.


We don't have a military treaty with the Ukraine, but they are very much considered an ally.

You responded with a web address, that you didn't seem to read, because it very much mentions treaties and partnerships with the Ukraine.

[Neveragain]

imposing massive sanctions

https://www.gifservice.fr/img/gif-vignette-small/3e148d1239f5d8e817485dbc853f1808/85625-flags-asia-china-various.gif

[Methais]

No dude you can trot out as many opinion pieces as you want but they're just somebody we trade with. We have absolutely no obligation to protect Ukraine. Fucking stupid that you sit here and and contradict the Secretary of State's information page with a Forbes article. What a fool you are.

As for the United Kingdom, you obviously didn't read that page otherwise you would have noticed they're listed as our Ally and a security partner. Never mind the page lists them as a fellow NATO member.

You’re for real mentally ill.

[Solkern]

We don't have a military treaty with the Ukraine, but they are very much considered an ally.

I wouldn’t call Ukraine an ally, more like a puppet we use. Ukraine does serve a strategic importance as a buffer against Russia which we need, but to call us an ally is a stretch.

[Solkern]

https://us.yahoo.com/news/trump-praises-putins-genius-incursion-into-ukraine-234001858.html

Trump praises Putin's 'genius' incursion into Ukraine

Former President Donald Trump on Tuesday praised Russian President Vladimir Putin's decision to send Russian troops into Ukraine to support Russian-backed separatists in the Luhansk and Donetsk provinces. In an appearance on the right-wing talk radio program "The Buck Sexton Show," Trump broke his conspicuous silence on the crisis to applaud the Russian dictator.

"This is genius," he said of Putin's decision on Monday to officially recognize the breakaway provinces and authorize the use of Russian military personnel to assist them. "So Putin is now saying it’s independent — a large section of Ukraine. I said, how smart is that? And he’s gonna go in and be a peacekeeper. We could use that on our southern border. That’s the strongest peace force I’ve ever seen. There were more army tanks than I’ve ever seen. They’re gonna keep peace, all right."


Riiight.

[Seran]

https://us.yahoo.com/news/trump-praises-putins-genius-incursion-into-ukraine-234001858.html

Trump praises Putin's 'genius' incursion into Ukraine

Former President Donald Trump on Tuesday praised Russian President Vladimir Putin's decision to send Russian troops into Ukraine to support Russian-backed separatists in the Luhansk and Donetsk provinces. In an appearance on the right-wing talk radio program "The Buck Sexton Show," Trump broke his conspicuous silence on the crisis to applaud the Russian dictator.

"This is genius," he said of Putin's decision on Monday to officially recognize the breakaway provinces and authorize the use of Russian military personnel to assist them. "So Putin is now saying it’s independent — a large section of Ukraine. I said, how smart is that? And he’s gonna go in and be a peacekeeper. We could use that on our southern border. That’s the strongest peace force I’ve ever seen. There were more army tanks than I’ve ever seen. They’re gonna keep peace, all right."


Riiight.

Sssh, Republicans are still trying to pretend Trump wasn't bought and paid for by Russia. This doesn't fit their narrative.

[Neveragain]

I wouldnÂ’t call Ukraine an ally, more like an acquaintance we use. Ukraine does serve a strategic importance as a buffer against Russia which we need, but to call us an ally is a stretch.

Why do Democrats keep using that word "we" so loosely?

That area of the world has been in a constant state of conflict since the Roman empire divided.

"We" were essentially founded to escape that constant conflict. "We" are 5000 miles away from that conflict zone. "We" are not Europe. "We" have no business in the Ukraine. "We" have been in 20+ years of war because "We" keep forgetting that "We" are not Europe.

The sooner we let the Brits, the Germans and the Russians settle their 1700 year old divorce the better everyone will be.

[Neveragain]

https://us.yahoo.com/news/trump-praises-putins-genius-incursion-into-ukraine-234001858.html

Trump praises Putin's 'genius' incursion into Ukraine

Former President Donald Trump on Tuesday praised Russian President Vladimir Putin's decision to send Russian troops into Ukraine to support Russian-backed separatists in the Luhansk and Donetsk provinces. In an appearance on the right-wing talk radio program "The Buck Sexton Show," Trump broke his conspicuous silence on the crisis to applaud the Russian dictator.

"This is genius," he said of Putin's decision on Monday to officially recognize the breakaway provinces and authorize the use of Russian military personnel to assist them. "So Putin is now saying it’s independent — a large section of Ukraine. I said, how smart is that? And he’s gonna go in and be a peacekeeper. We could use that on our southern border. That’s the strongest peace force I’ve ever seen. There were more army tanks than I’ve ever seen. They’re gonna keep peace, all right."


Riiight.

Trump is fucking hilarious.

Putin is genius.

Biden is already a lame duck.

[Neveragain]

Sssh, Republicans are still trying to pretend Trump wasn't bought and paid for by Russia. This doesn't fit their narrative.

https://almostdailybrett.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/hillaryreset.jpg

[Solkern]

Why do Democrats keep using that word "we" so loosely?

That area of the world has been in a constant state of conflict since the Roman empire divided.

"We" were essentially founded to escape that constant conflict. "We" are 5000 miles away from that conflict zone. "We" are not Europe. "We" have no business in the Ukraine. "We" have been in 20+ years of war because "We" keep forgetting that "We" are not Europe.

The sooner we let the Brits, the Germans and the Russians settle their 1700 year old divorce the better everyone will be.

“We” refers to The US and it’s relationship with Ukraine. You keep forgetting we are the only global superpower. While it seems that you support isolationism, our current foreign policy isn’t that. We project our power globally to defend our national interest with whatever means possible. While you or I may not agree with some of what’s being done, it is what it is.
And what’s with the democrats use “we”? It has nothing to do with political party or affiliation.

Did you really just try to politicize the word “we”?

[Solkern]

Trump is fucking hilarious.

Putin is genius.

Biden is already a lame duck.


Putin is a fucking genius, agree with you on that.

[Neveragain]

Putin is a fucking genius, agree with you on that.

Nice to see that you agree with Trump.

[Neveragain]

“We” refers to The US and it’s relationship with Ukraine. You keep forgetting we are the only global superpower. While it seems that you support isolationism, our current foreign policy isn’t that. We project our power globally to defend our national interest with whatever means possible. While you or I may not agree with some of what’s being done, it is what it is.
And what’s with the democrats use “we”? It has nothing to do with political party or affiliation.

Did you really just try to politicize the word “we”?

We'll just see how "We" stand when gas prices go even higher, inflation continues to climb and China is buying oil from Russia at a discount price.


In a CBS News/YouGov survey conducted last week, 53 percent of Americans said the U.S. should stay out of the situation by siding with neither Ukraine or Russia in ongoing talks.

[Gelston]

I wouldn’t call Ukraine an ally, more like a puppet we use. Ukraine does serve a strategic importance as a buffer against Russia which we need, but to call us an ally is a stretch.

They are the very definition of an economic ally, being that we have an economic treaty with them. And puppets are still considered allies.

[Seran]

They are the very definition of an economic ally, being that we have an economic treaty with them. And puppets are still considered allies.

Glad you're finally understanding the difference between a defensive pact or defensive treaty and somebody we have a trade agreement with.

[Methais]

Why do Democrats keep using that word "we" so loosely?

That area of the world has been in a constant state of conflict since the Roman empire divided.

"We" were essentially founded to escape that constant conflict. "We" are 5000 miles away from that conflict zone. "We" are not Europe. "We" have no business in the Ukraine. "We" have been in 20+ years of war because "We" keep forgetting that "We" are not Europe.

The sooner we let the Brits, the Germans and the Russians settle their 1700 year old divorce the better everyone will be.

Since the Romans were mentioned...


https://i.imgur.com/eFVWugO.png

[Methais]

Glad you're finally understanding the difference between a defensive pact or defensive treaty and somebody we have a trade agreement with.


https://youtu.be/v2o_EAeW4m0

[Gelston]

Glad you're finally understanding the difference between a defensive pact or defensive treaty and somebody we have a trade agreement with.

You just dig deeper and deeper into the retard pit with every comment you make. I said from the very first comment, that they are allies. Not necessarily military allies, but allies. You responded with a website that completely agreed with me, but saying NO THEY AREN'T SEE!!!! and then continued to disagree with quotes I pulled from the same website. Do you even know how to read?

[Tgo01]

Is Seran still trying to redefine the word "ally"?

Dude.


a state formally cooperating with another for a military or other purpose.

Seran when he hears someone is an "ally" of the gay or trans community: "But that doesn't make sense! They don't have a military alliance!"

[Gelston]

Is Seran still trying to redefine the word "ally"?

Dude.



Seran when he hears someone is an "ally" of the gay or trans community: "But that doesn't make sense! They don't have a military alliance!"

According to Seran, the UK isn't an ally, because the Department of State page doesn't say ally on it.

[Tgo01]

According to Seran, the UK isn't an ally, because the Department of State page doesn't say ally on it.

Well shit, wait until the UK learns about this! Good thing Seran is here to tell us things.

[Parkbandit]

Seran's next post will be:

https://c.tenor.com/a6jO71lkMmkAAAAC/ronburgundy-agree.gif

[Seran]

According to Seran, the UK isn't an ally, because the Department of State page doesn't say ally on it.

You're a moron, not only did I quote the UK page which confirmed them as an ally and bolded the text, but proved you wrong that we don't have a duty to protect Ukraine. Please eat some hairy ass.

[Seran]

No dude you can trot out as many opinion pieces as you want but they're just somebody we trade with. We have absolutely no obligation to protect Ukraine. Fucking stupid that you sit here and and contradict the Secretary of State's information page with a Forbes article. What a fool you are.

As for the United Kingdom, you obviously didn't read that page otherwise you would have noticed they're listed as our Ally and a security partner. Never mind the page lists them as a fellow NATO member.

Since Gelston is a dumb cuck and can't remember where he was disproven.

[Methais]

You're a moron, not only did I quote the UK page which confirmed them as an ally and bolded the text, but proved you wrong that we don't have a duty to protect Ukraine. Please eat some hairy ass.

Without using google or copy/paste, tell us your definition of the word "ally."

[Parkbandit]

You're a moron, not only did I quote the UK page which confirmed them as an ally and bolded the text, but proved you wrong that we don't have a duty to protect Ukraine. Please eat some hairy ass.

Yea, you faggot!

Right Seran! Nothing is more insulting than calling a straight guy a faggot!

[time4fun]

To put this in appropriate context- an authoritarian who has spent his time in power trying to dismantle Western democracies (after dismantling his own country's democracy) has begun invading a country that has been successfully transitioning into a functional Western democracy.

This isn't about whether or not Ukraine counts as a "formal" ally. Our number one geopolitical adversary, who has been the single biggest threat to democracy across the Western world (including our own) is trying to take down a new democracy and to position himself more strategically in the European region.

If Russia takes over the Ukraine, that will be the third democracy that has fallen in Europe in the past 10 years. Notably, Russia will be positioned next to the other two. Russia also happens to be partially responsible for the end of functional democracy in Poland ("Waitergate"), and Putin will be in a better position to do to them what he's about to do to Ukraine.

This is not "just" an attack on Ukraine. It's a literal, and intentional, attack on the notion of Western democratic societies- just the latest in a string of highly successful operations to damage, or fully thwart, them.

And I will also point out that a former US President is fucking congratulating Putin on what he's doing.

The people who are egging Putin on- and who are trying to convince you this is no big deal- are not friends of freedom. They're not the good guys. They're part of a larger movement that has been going on for some time now to end Western liberal democracy, and that movement is gaining steam rapidly.

[Methais]

Yea, you faggot!

Right Seran! Nothing is more insulting than calling a straight guy a faggot!

Plot twist: He was talking about his mom's ass, which happens to be very hairy.

[Tgo01]

Our number one geopolitical adversary, who has been the single biggest threat to democracy across the Western world (including our own)

How dare you call Obama a liar. Racist.

[Neveragain]

To put this in appropriate context

https://c.tenor.com/xJ8Tj4Z7ZuIAAAAC/i-love-scotch-will-ferrell.gif

[Methais]

This isn't about whether or not Ukraine counts as a "formal" ally. Our number one geopolitical adversary, who has been the single biggest threat to democracy across the Western world (including our own) is trying to take down a new democracy and to position himself more strategically in the European region.

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https://i.imgur.com/jU2i5hP.gif

[Tgo01]

So basically what time4fun is saying is if only Obama took Russia seriously as our number 1 geopolitical foe instead of cozying up to him, appeasing him, and trying so hard to "Not be Bush!" then maybe we wouldn't be in the position we are in now?

For once I agree with time4fun.

[Methais]

So basically what time4fun is saying is if only Obama took Russia seriously as our number 1 geopolitical foe instead of cozying up to him, appeasing him, and trying so hard to "Not be Bush!" then maybe we wouldn't be in the position we are in now?

For once I agree with time4fun.

time4fun clearly hates black people. Notice how she disagreed about Russia back then because Obama was black, but since Biden is white, she agrees with him now?

https://media0.giphy.com/media/6751A64NJkyCQ/giphy.gif

[Tgo01]

time4fun clearly hates black people. Notice how she disagreed about Russia back then because Obama was black, but since Biden is white, she agrees with him now?

https://media0.giphy.com/media/6751A64NJkyCQ/giphy.gif

time4fun just needed Biden to whitesplain things.

[Methais]

time4fun just needed Biden to whitesplain things.

Makes sense. time4fun doesn't understand most things until it's WHITEMANSPLAINED to her.

[Shaps]

Meanwhile the US has been "invaded" by more than 2+ million people in the last year and a half.

Yes, if you go to a country illegally - that is breaking the law.

When it's over 2+ million - it's an invasion.

Tell me why 100k+ Russians going across a border is worse than 2m+ again?

[Seran]

Meanwhile the US has been "invaded" by more than 2+ million people in the last year and a half.

Yes, if you go to a country illegally - that is breaking the law.

When it's over 2+ million - it's an invasion.

Tell me why 100k+ Russians going across a border is worse than 2m+ again?

Ones an illegal military occupation and the other is illegal immigration? The former is done violating sovereignty, international treaties and usually involves death and destruction. While the majority of the latter just wants jobs and a safe place to live?

[Gelston]

Since Gelston is a dumb cuck and can't remember where he was disproven.

You haven't disproven shit. You always think you "disprove" things, but you don't because your reading comprehension skills are abysmal.

What is the definition of ally?

[Methais]

Ones an illegal military occupation and the other is illegal immigration? The former is done violating sovereignty, international treaties and usually involves death and destruction. While the majority of the latter just wants jobs and a safe place to live?

If the US is such a racist white supremacist nation, why would brown people want to come here for a better life?

Be specific.

[Parkbandit]

This isn't about whether or not Ukraine counts as a "formal" ally. Our number one geopolitical adversary, who has been the single biggest threat to democracy across the Western world (including our own) is trying to take down a new democracy and to position himself more strategically in the European region.

The 1980s, they're now calling to ask for their foreign policy back.

You know the cold war has been over for 30 years, right?

[Gelston]

China is the biggest threat. Russia is a defeated country, with their only real power on a regional scale. Not that they can't grow to be a threat one day.

[Neveragain]

https://www.economist.com/sites/default/files/images/2014/03/blogs/graphic-detail/20140322_gdc888_0.png


https://www.economist.com/sites/default/files/images/2014/03/blogs/graphic-detail/20140322_gdc889_0.png


https://www.economist.com/sites/default/files/images/2014/03/blogs/graphic-detail/20140322_gdc890_0.png


Taking a neutral opinion would suggest that Russia hasn't been the aggressor.

[Gelston]

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Taking a neutral opinion would suggest that Russia hasn't been the aggressor.

IT is though, because the USSR wasn't Russia, it was several different Socialist Republics, that is why the USSR split into a bunch of different countries like that. Russia was always seen as the lead nation, which is why we always just called it all Russia.

[Neveragain]

IT is though, because the USSR wasn't Russia, it was several different Socialist Republics, that is why the USSR split into a bunch of different countries like that. Russia was always seen as the lead nation, which is why we always just called it all Russia.

So NATO is one country?

[Seran]

If the US is such a racist white supremacist nation, why would brown people want to come here for a better life?

Be specific.

That's a dumb question, go back to your Ensure and Tucker Carlson.

[Gelston]

So NATO is one country?

No, just like the USSR wasn't.

[Neveragain]

Map of the Soviet Union before the German invasion:

https://omniatlas-1598b.kxcdn.com/media/img/articles/main/cropped_maps/russia19400306-Winter-War.png

[Neveragain]

No, just like the USSR wasn't.

So you have to agree, that it's been decades of NATO aggression (through blockades, sanctions and proxy wars) that has lead to this point?

[Neveragain]

Russian empire 1914:

https://nzhistory.govt.nz/files/styles/fullsize/public/Russia_1000.jpg?itok=cBzgmdlH

[Gelston]

So you have to agree, that it's been decades of NATO aggression (through blockades, sanctions and proxy wars) that has lead to this point?

I mean, they were being aggressive back. It was mutual aggression that maintained a status quo. They couldn't keep up with the monetary side and collapsed. It wasn't NATO beating up on the poor old Soviets, the ones that killed over 10 million of their own people.

[time4fun]

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Taking a neutral opinion would suggest that Russia hasn't been the aggressor.

You are so painfully ignorant of the situation here that you have no idea that all you're doing is spouting off anti-democratic, pro-Russian propaganda.

Decades of NATO aggression? Do you have any idea why NATO exists, and why it's so critical to Europe AND the US? Do you know anything about what Russia has been doing to undermine democracy in Western nations in the last decade? (not to mention the decades before that) Do you know anything about the politics of the post-WW2 era that didn't come from a far right, hyper partisan publication?

Do you think that maybe there's a reason why the UN, EU, and NATO are all condemning what Putin is doing? You think it's possible that defending the authoritarian who is invading a Western democracy to subject its people to authoritarian rule and to expand its foothold in Europe is not the right stance?

Is it conceivable that taking the stance opposite of the democratic nations in Europe and North America, who are trying to keep Ukraine a free country is perhaps wrong?

Or are you so far down the damn rabbit hole that you've genuinely become a defender of dictators and a critic of free democratic societies?

[Neveragain]

You are so painfully ignorant of the situation here that you have no idea that all you're doing is spouting off anti-democratic, pro-Russian propaganda.

Decades of NATO aggression? Do you have any idea why NATO exists, and why it's so critical to Europe AND the US? Do you know anything about what Russia has been doing to undermine democracy in Western nations in the last decade? (not to mention the decades before that) Do you know anything about the politics of the post-WW2 era that didn't come from a far right, hyper partisan publication?

Do you think that maybe there's a reason why the UN, EU, and NATO are all condemning what Putin is doing? You think it's possible that defending the authoritarian who is invading a Western democracy to subject its people to authoritarian rule and to expand its foothold in Europe is not the right stance?

Is it conceivable that taking the stance opposite of the democratic nations in Europe and North America, who are trying to keep Ukraine a free country is perhaps wrong?

Or are you so far down the damn rabbit hole that you've genuinely become a defender of dictators and a critic of free democratic societies?

I'm just posting historical maps that overwhelmingly show that Ukraine has been a part of the Russian empire since before the 1900's. These countries/states were not a part of NATO.

I'm not taking a side. I strictly come from the view that you convert people through reflection and not projection.

[Neveragain]

the ones that killed over 10 million of their own people.

We kill 100's of thousands of our own people every year. (overwhelmingly black people)

:shrug:

[Shaps]

We kill 100's of thousands of our own people every year. (overwhelmingly black people)

:shrug:

Uhhh.. no we don't... heart disease does.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/deaths.htm

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

All you bitches posting maps of Europe can suck a dick.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Unless you like sucking dick. Then grab some pussy. Or whatever the equivalent of sucking a dick is in the 300+ genders that exist in your mind.

[time4fun]

I'm just posting historical maps that overwhelmingly show that Ukraine has been a part of the Russian empire since before the 1900's. These countries/states were not a part of NATO.

I'm not taking a side. I strictly come from the view that you convert people through reflection and not projection.

Yes it was. 35 years ago. Russia does not have an inherent right to take over sovereign nations because they were once their territory.

And candidly, you *are* taking sides. You're trying to provide a defense of Russia's actions right now- not condemning them. And even if you weren't- the notion of "not taking a side" in this is flabbergasting.

What happened to you? You're sitting here failing to condemn a dictator who is about to destroy a democratic country and force everyone there to live under authoritarian rule. Tucker Carlson brought Orban- the Hungarian dictator who destroyed their democracy- to his show and spent a week doing PR for him- even telling viewers that Hungary was what freedom looks like- and you just waved your hand dismissively at it.

The President you supported tried to tell you that an elected official (Pence) had a right to overturn the results of his own election because he didn't win, and the party you vote for has been trying (and succeeding in some cases) in passing legislation that lets elected officials boot out nonpartisan elections officials to replace them with someone of their choosing if they don't like the results of an election.

An angry mob stormed the US Capitol to stop the certification of a free and fair election-forcing Congress to hide behind barricaded doors and resulting in the deaths and serious injuries of the officers there. And you've one nothing but defend the sitting US President- who had lost that election- who brought them to DC and pointed them to the Capitol building telling them it was their last chance to save their country.

And now you're condemning NATO- which has been trying to stop Russia from destroying European democracies and further invading free countries.

At what point do you look at yourself in the mirror and start to question if you're on the right side?

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Candidly you *are* a cunt.

[Seran]

I'm just posting historical maps that overwhelmingly show that Ukraine has been a part of the Russian empire since before the 1900's. These countries/states were not a part of NATO.

I'm not taking a side. I strictly come from the view that you convert people through reflection and not projection.

Putin's propaganda isn't correct.

https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/lseih/2020/07/01/there-is-no-ukraine-fact-checking-the-kremlins-version-of-ukrainian-history/

[Neveragain]

Yes it was. 35 years ago. Russia does not have an inherent right to take over sovereign nations because they were once their territory.

And candidly, you *are* taking sides. You're trying to provide a defense of Russia's actions right now- not condemning them. And even if you weren't- the notion of "not taking a side" in this is flabbergasting.

What happened to you? You're sitting here failing to condemn a dictator who is about to destroy a democratic country and force everyone there to live under authoritarian rule. Tucker Carlson brought Orban- the Hungarian dictator who destroyed their democracy- to his show and spent a week doing PR for him- even telling viewers that Hungary was what freedom looks like- and you just waved your hand dismissively at it.

The President you supported tried to tell you that an elected official (Pence) had a right to overturn the results of his own election because he didn't win, and the party you vote for has been trying (and succeeding in some cases) in passing legislation that lets elected officials boot out nonpartisan elections officials to replace them with someone of their choosing if they don't like the results of an election.

An angry mob stormed the US Capitol to stop the certification of a free and fair election-forcing Congress to hide behind barricaded doors and resulting in the deaths and serious injuries of the officers there. And you've one nothing but defend the sitting US President- who had lost that election- who brought them to DC and pointed them to the Capitol building telling them it was their last chance to save their country.

And now you're condemning NATO- which has been trying to stop Russia from destroying European democracies and further invading free countries.

At what point do you look at yourself in the mirror and start to question if you're on the right side?


Taking a neutral opinion would suggest that Russia hasn't been the aggressor. ~ Me/Neveragain

^^^^ That's what "questioning if you're on the right side" looks like.^^^^

Since 1945 show me on any of those maps where Russia has taken anything that wasn't theirs before the German invasion. I can certainly point out areas that were not part of NATO after 1945 that were part of Russia before the German invasion.

[Neveragain]

Putin's propaganda isn't correct.

https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/lseih/2020/07/01/there-is-no-ukraine-fact-checking-the-kremlins-version-of-ukrainian-history/

I'm not using "Putins" propaganda. I'm looking at maps that span the past century and older.

[Parkbandit]

^^^^ That's what "questioning if you're on the right side" looks like.^^^^

Since 1945 show me on any of those maps where Russia has taken anything that wasn't theirs before the German invasion. I can certainly point out areas that were not part of NATO after 1945 that were part of Russia before the German invasion.

So, once you "own" territory, you have the right to re-claim it at any point in time?

Tell me that's not the entire premise of your argument here.

[Neveragain]

So, once you "own" territory, you have the right to re-claim it at any point in time?

Tell me that's not the entire premise of your argument here.

Can you tell me at what point and time it's OK to take it in the first place?

Tell me you're not arguing that Germany was just in invading Russia?

[Parkbandit]

Can you tell me at what point and time it's OK to take it in the first place?

Tell me you're not arguing that Germany was just in invading Russia?

Asking two questions isn't answering a question.

At all.

[Neveragain]

Asking two questions isn't answering a question.

At all.

I think it does answer your question.

https://c.tenor.com/w70bjnITVaYAAAAM/robert-de-niro-why-not.gif

[Gelston]

Wow, look at all these dudes siding with communists. If every fucking Russian in Russia died in their sleep tonight, I wouldn't care.

Fuck those dudes.

[Seran]

I'm not using "Putins" propaganda. I'm looking at maps that span the past century and older.

Any any point in time any nation you can think of has belonged to someone else, was called something else or was conquered. Your saying that present day Ukraine, which existed before the Russian or Ukrainian countries existed is by right Russian due to at one point occupied country by way of being a Soviet Bloc member. This is materially false and in no way conveys a right to violation of its sovereign borders by Putin's desire to create a new Soviet Empire.

[Neveragain]

Any any point in time any nation you can think of has belonged to someone else, was called something else or was conquered. Your saying that present day Ukraine, which existed before the Russian or Ukrainian countries existed is by right Russian due to at one point occupied country by way of being a Soviet Bloc member. This is materially false and in no way conveys a right to violation of its sovereign borders by Putin's desire to create a new Soviet Empire.

I'm glad that we agree that the US has no business in backing either side, no business in placing sanctions, no business arming either side and no business in further funding NATO.

[Seran]

I'm glad that we agree that the US has no business in backing either side, no business in placing sanctions, no business arming either side and no business in further funding NATO.

Wow, you got all that out of me saying Russia is invading a sovereign state? Let's try again. The world by on large takes the side of the victim of this baseless aggression, Ukraine. Providing arms to the Ukrainian military is a decision made by multiple governments, including ours. I support this action. Our government does not support going to war against Russia, nor do most of us. But using sanctions to set the Russian economy back to the stone age is welcome.

[Neveragain]

Wow, you got all that out of me saying Russia is invading a sovereign state? Let's try again. The world by on large takes the side of the victim of this baseless aggression, Ukraine. Providing arms to the Ukrainian military is a decision made by multiple governments, including ours. I support this action. Our government does not support going to war against Russia, nor do most of us. But using sanctions to set the Russian economy back to the stone age is welcome.

We just spent the last 20 years invading sovereign states... Do we deserve to have our economy set back to the stone age?

[SHAFT]

Sirens are going off. Appears Kyiv is under attack.

Unfuckingreal.

[SHAFT]

I'm glad that we agree that the US has no business in backing either side, no business in placing sanctions, no business arming either side and no business in further funding NATO.

No business placing sanctions or supporting Ukraine? Fuck you.

[Solkern]

Holy fuck. My friends in Kiev are fleeing.

[time4fun]

We just spent the last 20 years invading sovereign states... Do we deserve to have our economy set back to the stone age?

First off, yes we did deserve global repercussions. Secondly, even when we did those things we were still promoting democracy. We tried to end authoritarian regimes and help those countries transition to free societies.

Have you ever stopped to ask yourself why Russia has been facing sanctions from the Western world? They're facing sanctions because they've been systematically targeting Western countries to attack their democracies. Or, you know, in the case of Ukraine literally attacking their people with weapons.

The entire West is currently in a democratic backslide, and Russia is at the center of most of it. The UK's Brexit Movement, the rise of the National Front in France, the destruction of the Polish democracy by the Law and Order Party, and the hijacking of the Republican party and Donald Trump's rise in the US are just some of the destabilizing events Russia has supported that have undermined democracy in the West over the past decade. There's a reason, for example, why literally all of those parties/political leaders have been critical of NATO. No one in the West questioned NATO at all until Putin started helping far right parties and political figures rise in their respective countries.


Vladimir Putin is the enemy of freedom. This attack on Ukraine is evil on every level.

And Gelston is right. You're currently siding with authoritarianism and communists over free democratic societies. And I just pray that you- and people like you- wake up before it's too late.

Though at this point, it's also hard to ignore the strong possibility that you know full well what you're doing. You've just given up on free democratic society because you figure it's not really going to get you what you want.

That's a really scary thought. I don't know that we can come back from that point.

[Suppressed Poet]

Yeah I hear the people leaving Ukraine are Russian to get out in a hurry.

[Tgo01]

Wow Biden is completely useless.

The entire world is now worse off under Biden than they ever were under Trump. Thanks, Biden!

[Solkern]

NATO should send fucking troops into Kiev. Stop being fucking useless.

[SHAFT]

Wow Biden is completely useless.

The entire world is now worse off under Biden than they ever were under Trump. Thanks, Biden!

Is Biden the president of Ukraine or Europe? You fucking people are pathetic.

You’re the type of twisted piece of shit that’ll blame Biden for this, and then when he does something say the US should stay out. You’re a fucking lunatic. You’re nuts. Seek help.

[time4fun]

NATO should send fucking troops into Kiev. Stop being fucking useless.

Ukraine isn't a member state. Though they're part of a strategic partner program.

But sending troops into Ukraine is risking another World War. And there's a good chance the West would be facing off against Russia AND China in that instance.

No one wins in that scenario.