Russia Investigation Heating Up

[cwolff]

You are the one constantly saying "There was collusion". Show me what charges have been brought up against President Donald Trump.

What? That's your defense when you say that Mueller doesn't have anything? The investigation is going on right now. What's wrong with you Gelston that you deliberately lie like this. I know that you want to argue with me and a few others here no matter what we say, but don't outright lie like this.

Any my question stands so quit avoiding it. You said Mueller doesn't have shit. How do you know this?

[Gelston]

What? That's your defense when you say that Mueller doesn't have anything? The investigation is going on right now. What's wrong with you Gelston that you deliberately lie like this. I know that you want to argue with me and a few others here no matter what we say, but don't outright lie like this.

Well, has he presented anything? I don't see any charges against Trump for collusion. I think that is the only defense that is necessary. Tell me where I'm lying.

[Methais]

cwolff has gone full estrogen mode again

[cwolff]

Well, has he presented anything? I don't see any charges against Trump for collusion. I think that is the only defense that is necessary. Tell me where I'm lying.

No dude. WTF. You're lying because you claimed that Mueller has found nothing although you know that this investigation is ongoing and Mueller isn't leaking or giving press conferences to update you on his progress. You claim this exonerates trump or is proof of something while knowing that it doesn't mean anything. That's the lie.

[Gelston]

No dude. WTF. You're lying because you claimed that Mueller has found nothing although you know that this investigation is ongoing and Mueller isn't leaking or giving press conferences to update you on his progress. You claim this exonerates trump or is proof of something while knowing that it doesn't mean anything. That's the lie.

Well, he hasn't found anything against Trump has he? If he has, tell me what.

[RichardCranium]

No dude. WTF. You're lying because you claimed that Mueller has found nothing although you know that this investigation is ongoing and Mueller isn't leaking or giving press conferences to update you on his progress. You claim this exonerates trump or is proof of something while knowing that it doesn't mean anything. That's the lie.

It's also a lie when you say it has been known for some time that there was collusion. As of now, there's no proof. Why do you lie like this?

[cwolff]

Well, he hasn't found anything against Trump has he? If he has, tell me what.

How do you know what Mueller has or has not found? I hate to put to fine a point on it but he isn't reporting to you Gelly. He'll report to Rosenstein, when he's finished. Are you willing to admit that he has neither brought charges nor exonerated trump and his campaign? Basically, will you agree that he's still investigating and none of us know what he has or doesn't have?


It's also a lie when you say it has been known for some time that there was collusion. As of now, there's no proof. Why do you lie like this?

We know they colluded. Don Jr. met with representatives of the Russian government to get incriminating information against HRC to help the election. This is not in dispute. Beyond that we have a mountain of circumstantial evidence that trump colluded and circumstantial evidence is evidence.

[RichardCranium]

We know they colluded. Don Jr. met with representatives of the Russian government to get incriminating information against HRC to help the election. This is not in dispute. Beyond that we have a mountain of circumstantial evidence that trump colluded and circumstantial evidence is evidence.

Absolutely perfect.

[Gelston]

How do you know what Mueller has or has not found? I hate to put to fine a point on it but he isn't reporting to you Gelly. He'll report to Rosenstein, when he's finished. Are you willing to admit that he has neither brought charges nor exonerated trump and his campaign? Basically, will you agree that he's still investigating and none of us know what he has or doesn't have?.

No, I'm going to go by how we do things in this country. Donald Trump is 100% innocent until proven guilty. He doesn't even have charges against him. I'm sorry you want to circumvent the justice system, but this is a nation built upon laws.

I remember when t4f used to say that shit all the time.

[Gelston]

PC is running slow as hell. pk must be subpoenaing it again.

[cwolff]

Well, he hasn't found anything against Trump has he? If he has, tell me what.


No, I'm going to go by how we do things in this country. Donald Trump is 100% innocent until proven guilty. He doesn't even have charges against him. I'm sorry you want to circumvent the justice system, but this is a nation built upon laws.

I remember when t4f used to say that shit all the time.

No gelston. You're trying to weasel out of this.


No there wasn't. If there was Mueller would have found it by now. He hasn't. You saying there was doesn't mean there was.

You said Mueller hasn't found any collusion. This is a lie, you know it's a lie.

[RichardCranium]

Hey look Gelston it's the semantics game, your favorite.

[Ashliana]

It's also a lie when you say it has been known for some time that there was collusion. As of now, there's no proof. Why do you lie like this?

The thing is, that isn't true, and you're misrepresenting events that are now a matter of public record -- i.e., in response to the imminent breaking story by the NT, Don Jr. admitted on Twitter numerous details about the Trump Tower meeting with himself, Kushner, Natalia Veselnitskaya and Paul Manafort. Those public disclosures show, with absolutely no doubt, proof that Trump's campaign conspired with a foreign adversary to influence the election.

If you believe their spin on that meeting -- which they only admitted the existence of when it was going to be exposed imminently -- you're gullible to the point of being willfully obtuse. Collusion isn't in doubt. It's been established. For a fact.

Trump's administration -- Jay Sekulaw, his primary Russia probe attorney at the time, and Sarah Huckabee Sanders, both REPEATEDLY claimed that Trump had nothing to do with the BULLSHIT statement that the meeting was about "Russian adoptions" -- but guess what? Trump's lawyers admitted (https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/06/02/us/politics/trump-legal-documents.html), to Mueller, that Trump himself dictated that statement.

Trump and his kids colluded. They've changed their stories a hundred times, and you are gullible beyond belief for giving them the benefit of the doubt, much less believing them.

[Gelston]

No gelston. You're trying to weasel out of this.



You said Mueller hasn't found any collusion. This is a lie, you know it's a lie.

If he has found it, where is it? You are saying it is a proven fact. Where is your proof? Stop trying to weasel out of it.

[RichardCranium]

The thing is, that isn't true, and you're misrepresenting events that are now a matter of public record -- i.e., in response to the imminent breaking story by the NT, Don Jr. admitted on Twitter numerous details about the Trump Tower meeting with himself, Kushner, Natalia Veselnitskaya and Paul Manafort. Those public disclosures show, with absolutely no doubt, proof that Trump's campaign conspired with a foreign adversary to influence the election.

If you believe their spin on that meeting -- which they only admitted the existence of when it was going to be exposed imminently -- you're gullible to the point of being willfully obtuse. Collusion isn't in doubt. It's been established. For a fact.

Trump's administration -- Jay Sekulaw, his primary Russia probe attorney at the time, and Sarah Huckabee Sanders, both REPEATEDLY claimed that Trump had nothing to do with the BULLSHIT statement that the meeting was about "Russian adoptions" -- but guess what? Trump's lawyers admitted (https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/06/02/us/politics/trump-legal-documents.html), to Mueller, that Trump himself dictated that statement.

Trump and his kids colluded. They've changed their stories a hundred times, and you are gullible beyond belief for giving them the benefit of the doubt, much less believing them.

I don't believe anything one way or another. I absolutely believe Trump is capable of anything, there's just no proof.

Yet.

[cwolff]

Hey look Gelston it's the semantics game, your favorite.

This is very fucking far from semantics but I see you have not counter argument so you're weaseling just like Gelly.

Don't let your hatred of me cause you to debase yourself like this.

[RichardCranium]

This is very fucking far from semantics but I see you have not counter argument so you're weaseling just like Gelly.

Don't let your hatred of me cause you to debase yourself like this.

Sure thing sweetheart.

[Ashliana]

If he has found it, where is it? You are saying it is a proven fact. Where is your proof? Stop trying to weasel out of it.

This isn't the first time you're been told this: Don Jr., in a mad dash to beat the imminent expose by the New York Times, admitted to it on Twitter (https://twitter.com/donaldjtrumpjr/status/884789418455953413?lang=en). The administration then lied about Trump himself being involved in that statement, before being forced to admit to Mueller that Trump himself dictated it.

The existence of collusion isn't in question anymore. It's a matter of establishing to what degree it happened.

[Gelston]

This isn't the first time you're been told this: Don Jr., in a mad dash to beat the imminent expose by the New York Times, admitted to it on Twitter (https://twitter.com/donaldjtrumpjr/status/884789418455953413?lang=en). The administration then lied about Trump himself being involved in that statement, before being forced to admit to Mueller that Trump himself dictated it.

The existence of collusion isn't in question anymore. It's a matter of establishing to what degree it happened.

Yes, it really is a question. It is false. There was no collusion. You can't slam your head constantly into a wall and cry and claim there was, but until Donald Trump is convicted by the Senate, he is 100% innocent of any crime.

[SHAFT]

This isn't the first time you're been told this: Don Jr., in a mad dash to beat the imminent expose by the New York Times, admitted to it on Twitter (https://twitter.com/donaldjtrumpjr/status/884789418455953413?lang=en). The administration then lied about Trump himself being involved in that statement, before being forced to admit to Mueller that Trump himself dictated it.

The existence of collusion isn't in question anymore. It's a matter of establishing to what degree it happened.

When Trump says "NO COLLUSION!", these idiots believe him.

I wouldn't point out the fact that hours after Trump stood on stage and asked the Russians to hack Hillary Clinton, they actually did it. That's been proven as well.

Who cares though? Collusion isn't a crime. Conspiracy is, which is what Rick Gates plead guilty to.

[Gelston]

When Trump says "NO COLLUSION!", these idiots believe him.

I wouldn't point out the fact that hours after Trump stood on stage and asked the Russians to hack Hillary Clinton, they actually did it. That's been proven as well.

When anyone says "Collusion!" you idiots believe them.

[Ashliana]

When anyone says "Collusion!" you idiots believe them.

Yeah, based on the evidence in the public record. You continue to believe Trump uncritically, despite the evidence. See the difference? No? Well, that means you're retarded and/or willfully ignorant. Neither reflect well on you.

[Gelston]

Yeah, based on the evidence in the public record. You continue to believe Trump uncritically, despite the evidence. See the difference? No? Well, that means you're retarded and/or willfully ignorant. Neither reflect well on you.

I'm sorry, has he been convicted? Has he been charged? No? No. You can play detective all you want but there is probably a reason no one with any actual authority has done anything.

[cwolff]

I'm sorry, has he been convicted? Has he been charged? No? No. You can play detective all you want but there is probably a reason no one with any actual authority has done anything.

Not any detective work here. The trumps admitted it. They told you about it, admittedly under duress and not without doing their best to deny it at first, but they have told you and the whole world they colluded. Do you deny that too?

[Gelston]

Not any detective work here. The trumps admitted it. They told you about it, admittedly under duress and not without doing their best to deny it at first, but they have told you and the whole world they colluded. Do you deny that too?

Where did President Donald Trump admit to colluding with Russia?

[Ashliana]

I'm sorry, has he been convicted? Has he been charged? No? No. You can play detective all you want but there is probably a reason no one with any actual authority has done anything.

There have been 35+ indictments, 6 guilty pleas and 7 convictions so far, in the 14 months the Special Counsel's been active. Cases like these work from the peons towards the top.

The immediate consequences for Trump will be political, not legal. Impeachment is a political process. Once he's out of office, yes, there's a very real chance he'll be in legal peril as well, as his kids already are. Nixon was never found guilty in a court of law, though by accepting his pardon, he tacitly admitted guilt.


Where did President Donald Trump admit to colluding with Russia?

In the statement "by Don Jr." that Trump himself dictated, then lied about having anything to do with before being forced to admit to it. Perhaps you should read it, genius.

[Gelston]

There have been 35+ indictments, 6 guilty pleas and 7 convictions so far, in the 14 months the Special Counsel's been active. Cases like these work from the peons towards the top.

The immediate consequences for Trump will be political, not legal. Impeachment is a political process. Once he's out of office, yes, there's a very real chance he'll be in legal peril as well, as his kids already are. Nixon was never found guilty in a court of law, though by accepting his pardon, he tacitly admitted guilt.



In the statement "by Don Jr." that Trump himself dictated, then lied about having anything to do with before being forced to admit to it. Perhaps you should read it, genius.

So, President Donald Trump never admitted to it. Alright.

[Ashliana]

So, President Donald Trump never admitted to it. Alright.

Yes. He did. As his lawyers admitted to Mueller. Try again.

[Wrathbringer]

There have been 35+ indictments, 6 guilty pleas and 7 convictions so far, in the 14 months the Special Counsel's been active. Cases like these work from the peons towards the top.

The immediate consequences for Trump will be political, not legal. Impeachment is a political process. Once he's out of office, yes, there's a very real chance he'll be in legal peril as well, as his kids already are. Nixon was never found guilty in a court of law, though by accepting his pardon, he tacitly admitted guilt.



In the statement "by Don Jr." that Trump himself dictated, then lied about having anything to do with before being forced to admit to it. Perhaps you should read it, genius.

You're a butthurt tard.

[Gelston]

Yes. He did. As his lawyers admitted to Mueller. Try again.

No, he didn't. President Donald Trump has never admitted to collusion. So me one snippet where President Trump is admitting to collusion.

[Ashliana]

No, he didn't. President Donald Trump has never admitted to collusion. So me one snippet where President Trump is admitting to collusion.

I already linked you to his lawyers admitting to the Special Counsel that Trump dictated "Don Jr.'s" statement on Twitter admitting to the colluding with representatives of the Russian government in exchange for dirt on Hillary. Your refusal or inability to read reflects only on you.

[Gelston]

I already linked to you his lawyers admitting to the Special Counsel that Trump dictated "Don Jr.'s" statement on Twitter admitting to the colluding with representatives of the Russian government in exchange for dirt on Hillary. Your refusal or inability to read reflects only on you.

None of which has President Donald Trump saying he committed collusion.

[Ashliana]

None of which has President Donald Trump saying he committed collusion.

President Donald Trump's lawyers admitted to the Special Counsel that President Donald Trump dictated the statement admitting to collusion with Russia. Your inability or refusal to read reflects only on you.

[Gelston]

"President Donald Trump"'s lawyers admitted to the Special Counsel that "President Donald Trump" drafted the statement admitting to collusion with Russia. Your inability or refusal to read reflects only on you.

I didn't ask for what his lawyer's said. I asked if you had anything where President Trump admitted to committing collusion. You apparently don't.

[Ashliana]

I didn't ask for what his lawyer's said. I asked if you had anything where President Trump admitted to committing collusion. You apparently don't.

Spoiler Alert: What your lawyer says on your behalf in an official capacity is what "you" are saying. The words don't have to come out of his own mouth to be his words. Your inability or unwillingness to read, and ignorance of the legal system, reflects only on you.

[Gelston]

Spoiler Alert: What your lawyer says on your behalf in an official capacity is what "you" are saying. The words don't have to come out of his own mouth to be his words. Your inability or unwillingness to read, and ignorance of the legal system, reflects only on you.

Your unwillingness to accept that President Trump has never admitted to collusion only shows the depths of your Trump Anxiety Disorder.

[cwolff]

Your unwillingness to accept that President Trump has never admitted to collusion only shows the depths of your Trump Anxiety Disorder.

Is it fair to say that the only way you will say trump colluded (illegal or not) is if trump himself admits it publicly?

[Ashliana]

Your unwillingness to accept that President Trump has never admitted to collusion only shows the depths of your Trump Anxiety Disorder.

You might as well say something like "Your unwillingness to say the sky is chartreuse," as what you're saying has absolutely no connection to reality. Trump and his campaign, and his kids, colluded with Russia. However you want to spin it, Don Jr. admitted it on Twitter, and Trump's lawyers admitted that Don Jr's admission was Trump's admission.

Trump colluded with Russia, and you're sitting here doing mental gymnastics to avoid acknowledging that you're propping up traitors. That's on you, buddy. Nobody else.

[Methais]

You're a butthurt tard.

This is correct.

[SHAFT]

Also, Manafort is about to go on trial to see if he was a foreign agent. If it’s proven he was an agent of Ukraine/Russia, that’s collusion bro.

[Gelston]

Is it fair to say that the only way you will say trump colluded (illegal or not) is if trump himself admits it publicly?

If he is convicted I'll say he has colluded.

[cwolff]

If he is convicted I'll say he has colluded.

Convicted of what and by whom? If he's impeached by a dem majority congress will you agree that that is evidence of criminality?

[Gelston]

Convicted of what and by whom? If he's impeached by a dem majority congress will you agree that that is evidence of criminality?

The way impeachment works is the House impeaches, and then he is convicted by the Senate. If the senate convicts him for collusion, then I'll agree he was guilty of collusion. If some court after he finishes his term as President convicts him of collusion, I'll agree he colluded.

[Methais]

Convicted of what and by whom?

Convicted of jaywalking you fucking idiot.

[cwolff]

The way impeachment works is the House impeaches, and then he is convicted by the Senate. If the senate convicts him for collusion, then I'll agree he was guilty of collusion. If some court after he finishes his term as President convicts him of collusion, I'll agree he colluded.

I don't think they can convict him of collusion and I don't mean to be a stickler but we're having all kinds of issues here with the "collusion is not a crime" thing. My preference is that we can use the word collusion as an umbrella term which encapsulates conspiracy, bribery, and all kinds of other acts illegal acts which make up collusion without arguing the definitions anymore. In your opinion, is that ok? I'm not going to put words in your mouth here, but I think that's what you've just said.

[Gelston]

I don't think they can convict him of collusion and I don't mean to be a stickler but we're having all kinds of issues here with the "collusion is not a crime" thing. My preference is that we can use the word collusion as an umbrella term which encapsulates conspiracy, bribery, and all kinds of other acts illegal acts which make up collusion without arguing the definitions anymore. In your opinion, is that ok? I'm not going to put words in your mouth here, but I think that's what you've just said.

I will agree he is guilty of whatever he is convicted of if he ever gets convicted. If the things he is convicted of amount to an illegal agreement then sure. Collusion. I don't think he did anything wrong though and I'm patiently waiting for his reelection.

[Androidpk]

How can you say this? Just a buzzword? I am appalled at you TG. It's so disappointing to see Americans defend this shit. To make excuses and rationalize in lockstep with the talking points coming out of Rudy, trump and the rest of the right wing propaganda machine.

Lately everything he doesn't agree with is just a "buzzword".

[Androidpk]

It's also a lie when you say it has been known for some time that there was collusion. As of now, there's no proof. Why do you lie like this?

There has been an insane amount of circumstantial evidence for some time now, and yes, circumstantial evidence is used in criminal cases all the time.

[Androidpk]

Giuliani is now saying that Manafort, Trump's former campaign manager and the guy that selected Pence to be Trump's VP, was not a central figure in the campaign.. :lol2:

Just a covfefe boy, right?

[RichardCranium]

There has been an insane amount of circumstantial evidence for some time now, and yes, circumstantial evidence is used in criminal cases all the time.

I know that you know that I know. I was just trolling cwolff. The ONLY reason I wouldn't want Trump impeached is Pence, and that's not enough for me to sit here and tell anyone I don't think Trump is absolutely capable of the these things.

[Androidpk]

I know that you know that I know. I was just trolling cwolff. The ONLY reason I wouldn't want Trump impeached is Pence, and that's not enough for me to sit here and tell anyone I don't think Trump is absolutely capable of the these things.

I wouldn't be worried about Pence if Trump was removed before his term ended, as he'd effectively be the lamest of lame ducks with a highly invigorated Democratic voter base. There's not much he'd be able to do, especially if Dems take the House in 99 days.

[SHAFT]

There has been an insane amount of circumstantial evidence for some time now, and yes, circumstantial evidence is used in criminal cases all the time.

Does don jr exchanging emails with Russians about dirt on hillary Clinton and then meeting in person to get that information count as circumstantial, or does the fall squarely in the collusion area?

Hard to know what actually constitutes as collusion these days. Rudy G and foxnews move the goalposts every few hours.

[Androidpk]

Does don jr exchanging emails with Russians about dirt on hillary Clinton and then meeting in person to get that information count as circumstantial, or does the fall squarely in the collusion area?

Hard to know what actually constitutes as collusion these days. Rudy G and foxnews move the goalposts every few hours.

That meeting is straight up conspiracy. Jr is fucked.

[time4fun]

That meeting is straight up conspiracy. Jr is fucked.

Right. The evidence has been there for some time now. The fact that Trump and the conservative press have been saying "There's no evidence of collusion" for the past few years has had plenty of people brainwashed enough to believe it, but it has always been nothing more than crude gaslighting.

[time4fun]

I don't think they can convict him of collusion and I don't mean to be a stickler but we're having all kinds of issues here with the "collusion is not a crime" thing. My preference is that we can use the word collusion as an umbrella term which encapsulates conspiracy, bribery, and all kinds of other acts illegal acts which make up collusion without arguing the definitions anymore. In your opinion, is that ok? I'm not going to put words in your mouth here, but I think that's what you've just said.

Well technically you can be impeached for anything. SCOTUS would probably be VERY wary of wading into that battle, and barring that there's no actual check on impeachment proceedings.

So we don't need to stick to strict juridical terms when it comes to hypothetical impeachment.

[SHAFT]

Right. The evidence has been there for some time now. The fact that Trump and the conservative press have been saying "There's no evidence of collusion" for the past few years has had plenty of people brainwashed enough to believe it, but it has always been nothing more than crude gaslighting.

The members of the cult believe it. We have a few members here on the PC...

I don’t see how Jr isn’t screwed. He lied to Congress, too. I guess we’ll see if he’s brought back to testify again.

[cwolff]

The members of the cult believe it. We have a few members here on the PC...

I don’t see how Jr isn’t screwed. He lied to Congress, too. I guess we’ll see if he’s brought back to testify again.

Grassley says no. He says that if Don Jr. lied it's criminal and a matter for law enforcement not the congress.

[cwolff]

Well technically you can be impeached for anything. SCOTUS would probably be VERY wary of wading into that battle, and barring that there's no actual check on impeachment proceedings.

So we don't need to stick to strict juridical terms when it comes to hypothetical impeachment.

On the PC these things are important. They'll argue about the meaning of a fiddle vs a violin while Rome burns. Otherwise our discussions would be 75% shorter

[Neveragain]

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[Androidpk]

The members of the cult believe it. We have a few members here on the PC...

I don’t see how Jr isn’t screwed. He lied to Congress, too. I guess we’ll see if he’s brought back to testify again.

Lying to Congress is the least of his problems right now.

[Astray]

Except it's not and nothing is going to happen. He's getting 4 more years.

[Androidpk]

Except it's not and nothing is going to happen. He's getting 4 more years.

stick to the drugs

[Astray]

stick to the drugs

I'm on drugs and I can see this. What's your excuse?

[Gelston]

I'm on drugs and I can see this. What's your excuse?

He has a severe case of Trump Anxiety Disorder.

[Androidpk]

I'm on drugs and I can see this. What's your excuse?

We'll revisit this laughable comment RSN.

[SHAFT]

Grassley says no. He says that if Don Jr. lied it's criminal and a matter for law enforcement not the congress.

Grassley is a snake... in the... grass 🤔

I don’t trust him.

[Astray]

We'll revisit this laughable comment RSN.

Sure.

[RichardCranium]

Grassley is a snake... in the... grass 🤔

I don’t trust him.

Plus he hates...grass. Fuck him.

[drauz]

We'll revisit this laughable comment RSN.

Have any of your predictions actually come true?

[Androidpk]

Have any of your predictions actually come true?

yeah, most of them

[~Rocktar~]

Grassley says no. He says that if Don Jr. lied it's criminal and a matter for law enforcement not the congress.

What does Grassley say about Hillary who lied to Congress a couple of times?


On the PC these things are important. They'll argue about the meaning of a fiddle vs a violin while Rome burns. Otherwise our discussions would be 75% shorter

LOL! I love how you and your other con-conspirators talk as if you are all above the fray and on some moral high ground. It's amusing to see you talking as if you are superior and have some inside knowledge and you are somehow disconnected with the PC's peasant rabble. It suits you all since you are so completely disconnected from reality it really demonstrates the mental gymnastics that one must go through to claim conspiracy while supporting a candidate that genuinely conspired with the media and her party to rig the primaries, rig the election debates and apparently pay to use inside connections to have the opposing candidate's campaign wire tapped, a paid information dossier and an online article about the leaked, paid dossier used to obtain the warrant for the wire tap and who's candidate destroyed subpoenaed evidence in an ongoing Federal investigation because it would show that she mishandled multiple pieces of classified data.

It really suggests that you all have had some kind of mental break and are now living even more deeply in your fantasy world where Socialism is grand, America is evil and Democrats aren't generally racists who protect criminals over American Citizens.

BTW, you calling anyone out over arguing about the meaning of words is supremely amusing considering your continued contortions when caught in a plan lie.

[cwolff]

What does Grassley say about Hillary who lied to Congress a couple of times?



LOL! I love how you and your other con-conspirators talk as if you are all above the fray and on some moral high ground. It's amusing to see you talking as if you are superior and have some inside knowledge and you are somehow disconnected with the PC's peasant rabble. It suits you all since you are so completely disconnected from reality it really demonstrates the mental gymnastics that one must go through to claim conspiracy while supporting a candidate that genuinely conspired with the media and her party to rig the primaries, rig the election debates and apparently pay to use inside connections to have the opposing candidate's campaign wire tapped, a paid information dossier and an online article about the leaked, paid dossier used to obtain the warrant for the wire tap and who's candidate destroyed subpoenaed evidence in an ongoing Federal investigation because it would show that she mishandled multiple pieces of classified data.

It really suggests that you all have had some kind of mental break and are now living even more deeply in your fantasy world where Socialism is grand, America is evil and Democrats aren't generally racists who protect criminals over American Citizens.

BTW, you calling anyone out over arguing about the meaning of words is supremely amusing considering your continued contortions when caught in a plan lie.

Fuck dude. Learn to collect your thoughts in a snapshot instead of a feature film.

[~Rocktar~]

Fuck dude. Learn to collect your thoughts in a snapshot instead of a feature film.

Opps, was that over your pompous, arrogant, elitist, Socialist head? Here, let me clear it up for you. You supported a criminal and want to project her criminal actions onto the winner because you are a butthurt emotional child. You are so hurt that you now have given yourself a mental illness. Get help.

[Androidpk]

What does Grassley say about Hillary who lied to Congress a couple of times?



LOL! I love how you and your other con-conspirators talk as if you are all above the fray and on some moral high ground. It's amusing to see you talking as if you are superior and have some inside knowledge and you are somehow disconnected with the PC's peasant rabble. It suits you all since you are so completely disconnected from reality it really demonstrates the mental gymnastics that one must go through to claim conspiracy while supporting a candidate that genuinely conspired with the media and her party to rig the primaries, rig the election debates and apparently pay to use inside connections to have the opposing candidate's campaign wire tapped, a paid information dossier and an online article about the leaked, paid dossier used to obtain the warrant for the wire tap and who's candidate destroyed subpoenaed evidence in an ongoing Federal investigation because it would show that she mishandled multiple pieces of classified data.

It really suggests that you all have had some kind of mental break and are now living even more deeply in your fantasy world where Socialism is grand, America is evil and Democrats aren't generally racists who protect criminals over American Citizens.

BTW, you calling anyone out over arguing about the meaning of words is supremely amusing considering your continued contortions when caught in a plan lie.


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[cwolff]

Opps, was that over your pompous, arrogant, elitist, Socialist head? Here, let me clear it up for you. You supported a criminal and want to project her criminal actions onto the winner because you are a butthurt emotional child. You are so hurt that you now have given yourself a mental illness. Get help.

Thats better for the brevity. Your content is shit, but I'm glad it was more concise

[~Rocktar~]

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https://youtu.be/_8oNUk99hdg

[Androidpk]

I can only imagine the meltdown rockturd is gonna have when the socialists come for his guns. :lol:

[Neveragain]

yeah, most of them

lol

[Tgo01]

yeah, most of them

Like how Hillary was going to be charged with a crime? Pretty sure you were the only person on the PC to think so.

[Neveragain]

http://mrwgifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Patrick-Spongebob-Freak-Out-Run-In-Circles.gif

[Androidpk]

Like how Hillary was going to be charged with a crime? Pretty sure you were the only person on the PC to think so.

Wow, one thing in the last 2 years I was wrong about. I may have thought she'd get indicted but I sure as hell am not the only person on the PC that thought she was guilty.

[Tgo01]

Wow, one thing in the last 2 years I was wrong about.

One thing you've been wrong about in 2 years. :lol:

[Androidpk]

One thing you've been wrong about in 2 years. :lol:

in regards to politics yes

[Neveragain]

in regards to politics yes

lol


Bill and Trump both violently raped underage girls with their buddy Epstein.

We'll start with this.

Link sources, because I have found that this didn't happen, like there was zero evidence and all charges were dropped.


Trump's 13-year-old 'rape victim' dramatically DROPS her case. Woman withdraws legal claim she was assaulted at Jeffrey Epstein sex party

https://media.giphy.com/media/svb8tKSIpGfHq/giphy.gif

[Androidpk]

lol



We'll start with this.

Link sources, because I have found that this didn't happen, like there was zero evidence and all charges were dropped.



https://media.giphy.com/media/svb8tKSIpGfHq/giphy.gif


What prediction are you asking me about again?

[Androidpk]

That's right, Trump, beat up on the Koch brothers and watch your support in Congress wither up and die. Real smart move :popcorn:

https://i.imgur.com/vbITwZl.jpg

[time4fun]

Have any of your predictions actually come true?

Mine have, and I'm telling you right now that a President with historically low approval ratings and several pending cases and investigations isn't looking at a second term. Especially since his ratings in MI, MN, and WI are in the 30s right now.

And if the Dems take back the House, you're going to see Don J, Jared, Flynn, Bannon, etc hauled back in for open hearings. The fact that Republicans have been insisting on closed hearings has been a massive point of protection for Trump and his campaign.

[Androidpk]

https://i.imgur.com/xZdUgLe.jpg

[Gelston]

Mine have, and I'm telling you right now that a President with historically low approval ratings and several pending cases and investigations isn't looking at a second term. Especially since his ratings in MI, MN, and WI are in the 30s right now.

And if the Dems take back the House, you're going to see Don J, Jared, Flynn, Bannon, etc hauled back in for open hearings. The fact that Republicans have been insisting on closed hearings has been a massive point of protection for Trump and his campaign.

His approval ratings among the people that elected him are ranging between 84 and 90%. It is almost like he is doing exactly what we voted for him to do.

[Methais]

We'll revisit this laughable comment RSN.

Quoted for when your TAD goes into overdrive in November.

[Methais]

What does Grassley say about Hillary who lied to Congress a couple of times?



LOL! I love how you and your other con-conspirators talk as if you are all above the fray and on some moral high ground. It's amusing to see you talking as if you are superior and have some inside knowledge and you are somehow disconnected with the PC's peasant rabble. It suits you all since you are so completely disconnected from reality it really demonstrates the mental gymnastics that one must go through to claim conspiracy while supporting a candidate that genuinely conspired with the media and her party to rig the primaries, rig the election debates and apparently pay to use inside connections to have the opposing candidate's campaign wire tapped, a paid information dossier and an online article about the leaked, paid dossier used to obtain the warrant for the wire tap and who's candidate destroyed subpoenaed evidence in an ongoing Federal investigation because it would show that she mishandled multiple pieces of classified data.

It really suggests that you all have had some kind of mental break and are now living even more deeply in your fantasy world where Socialism is grand, America is evil and Democrats aren't generally racists who protect criminals over American Citizens.

BTW, you calling anyone out over arguing about the meaning of words is supremely amusing considering your continued contortions when caught in a plan lie.

My super secret sources told me that they heard from their anonymous source that pk heard Hillary masturbating and didn't complain about it.

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[Methais]

Fuck dude. Learn to collect your thoughts in a snapshot instead of a feature film.

For real, you should know that cwolff can't handle anything longer than a tweet.

Stop being so inconsiderate to the disabled, Rocktar.

[Methais]

https://youtu.be/_8oNUk99hdg

Daaamn, diethx doesn't fuck around when she's fucking around.

Kind of creepy for pk to record it like that though. But it's pk, so no one is surprised.

[time4fun]

His approval ratings among the people that elected him are ranging between 84 and 90%. It is almost like he is doing exactly what we voted for him to do.

So, first- you don't win an election with just your base in this country. Secondly, I'd be very careful about stats like that. You're assuming that political identification is a stable quality, and it's not. GOP party identification has fallen 3-5 points since 2016 (which is significant given that only about a quarter of people identify as Republicans in this country). So when you see polls that say "85% of Republicans support Trump!"- what that means is that most of the people who don't have stopped identifying as Republicans.

On top of that, independents are breaking away from Trump significantly. Right now, the only demographic that reliably supports Trump is the Republican-identified voting bloc. Support from white suburban women (who actually broke for Trump in 2016) has dropped 8 points (https://www.newsweek.com/trump-hillary-haters-midterms-republicans-1046012) and appears to be in free fall right now.

Let's just call a spade a spade here: draconian voter suppression, extreme gerrymandering, and Russian state influence only go so far.

Finally, incumbent Presidential approval tends to drop once there's an actual contender in the race. When you're comparing someone to nothing, it's easier for them to get lukewarm approval. When there's another option, partisans solidify their support/disapproval, but independents tend to break away from the incumbent.

[Gelston]

So, first- you don't win an election with just your base in this country. Secondly, I'd be very careful about stats like that. You're assuming that political identification is a stable quality, and it's not. GOP party identification has fallen 3-5 points since 2016 (which is significant given that only about a quarter of people identify as Republicans in this country). So when you see polls that say "85% of Republicans support Trump!"- what that means is that most of the people who don't have stopped identifying as Republicans.

On top of that, independents are breaking away from Trump significantly. Right now, the only demographic that reliably supports Trump is the Republican-identified voting bloc. Support from white suburban women (who actually broke for Trump in 2016) has dropped 8 points (https://www.newsweek.com/trump-hillary-haters-midterms-republicans-1046012) and appears to be in free fall right now.

Let's just call a spade a spade here: draconian voter suppression, extreme gerrymandering, and Russian state influence only go so far.

Finally, incumbent Presidential approval tends to drop once there's an actual contender in the race. When you're comparing someone to nothing, it's easier for them to get lukewarm approval. When there's another option, partisans solidify their support/disapproval, but independents tend to break away from the incumbent.

No, the point I was making is that polls are fucking garbage and easily manipulated. You need to stop relying on them so much.

[time4fun]

Collusion is not a crime, but that doesn’t matter because there was No Collusion (except by Crooked Hillary and the Democrats)!

From everyone's favorite President.

Guess what- people who don't engage in a particular activity don't feel the need to convince everyone that it's not illegal to do it. (Also, so we're clear, what he did is absolutely illegal)

[Gelston]

From everyone's favorite President.

Guess what- people who don't engage in a particular activity don't feel the need to convince everyone that it's not illegal to do it. (Also, so we're clear, what he did is absolutely illegal)

I mean, he didn't. You people keep saying he did, forcing him to deny it more.

[Methais]

So, first- you don't win an election with just your base in this country. Secondly, I'd be very careful about stats like that. You're assuming that political identification is a stable quality, and it's not. GOP party identification has fallen 3-5 points since 2016 (which is significant given that only about a quarter of people identify as Republicans in this country). So when you see polls that say "85% of Republicans support Trump!"- what that means is that most of the people who don't have stopped identifying as Republicans.

On top of that, independents are breaking away from Trump significantly. Right now, the only demographic that reliably supports Trump is the Republican-identified voting bloc. Support from white suburban women (who actually broke for Trump in 2016) has dropped 8 points (https://www.newsweek.com/trump-hillary-haters-midterms-republicans-1046012) and appears to be in free fall right now.

Let's just call a spade a spade here: draconian voter suppression, extreme gerrymandering, and Russian state influence only go so far.

Finally, incumbent Presidential approval tends to drop once there's an actual contender in the race. When you're comparing someone to nothing, it's easier for them to get lukewarm approval. When there's another option, partisans solidify their support/disapproval, but independents tend to break away from the incumbent.

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[time4fun]

No, the point I was making is that polls are fucking garbage and easily manipulated. You need to stop relying on them so much.

Some of them are, but they're not all garbage by any stretch. 2016 got a bad rap, but realistically the polls actually weren't that off (or off at all in many cases). They mostly indicated that Clinton would win the popular vote by 2-5%, and she won by 3%. What WAS wrong was the analysis of the polls- assumptions were made about a few states based on very little polling data (and virtually no high quality polling data). Polls usually look at popular vote, analysts then extrapolate to the electoral college.

Also, people didn't quite account for the new voter suppression laws that went into effect in a few key states and that pesky Russian state influence campaign.

[Gelston]

Some of them are, but they're not all garbage by any stretch. 2016 got a bad rap, but realistically the polls actually weren't that off (or off at all in many cases). They mostly indicated that Clinton would win the popular vote by 2-5%, and she won by 3%. What WAS wrong was the analysis of the polls- assumptions were made about a few states based on very little polling data (and virtually no high quality polling data). Polls usually look at popular vote, analysts then extrapolate to the electoral college.

Also, people didn't quite account for the new voter suppression laws that went into effect in a few key states and that pesky Russian state influence campaign.

Oh yeah, all those voter suppression laws that are everywhere.

[Methais]

Also, people didn't quite account for the new voter suppression laws that went into effect in a few key states and that pesky Russian state influence campaign.

https://media.giphy.com/media/KMuizE49r6ABq/giphy.gif

[Tgo01]

https://i.imgur.com/xZdUgLe.jpg

Why do you quote straight up psychopaths so often? Oh, never mind.

[Gelston]

Why do you quote straight up psychopaths so often? Oh, never mind.

It is funny how Perlman likes to call Trump a draft dodger, but he never went to Vietnam either.

[SHAFT]

I mean, he didn't. You people keep saying he did, forcing him to deny it more.

$20 says trump knew of the jr meeting and approved it.

[Stunseed]

It is funny how Perlman likes to call Trump a draft dodger, but he never went to Vietnam either.

Not into politics, but no military issue helmet covers that forehead.

[Gelston]

Not into politics, but no military issue helmet covers that forehead.

He wore one in Enemy at the Gates!

[Methais]

Why do you quote straight up psychopaths so often? Oh, never mind.

Because celebrity opinions really really matter. Geez don't you know anything????????

[time4fun]

Oh yeah, all those voter suppression laws that are everywhere.

No- the ones in swing States passed by GOP-controlled legislatures who also gerrymandered themselves into majorities despite minority support.

Have you really never wondered why those laws mostly showed up in states like Wisconsin (twice as many people were purged from the rolls in democratic precincts as Trump won the state by), Michigan, North Carolina, Texas , and Arizona?

They're literally referred to as "turnout control efforts" among GOP operatives. It's part of why they kept losing in the Courts initially- the emails and public comments from the people who drafted these laws were VERY clear about the intent of the laws.

[Gelston]

No- the ones in swing States passed by GOP-controlled legislatures who also gerrymandered themselves into majorities despite minority support.

Have you really never wondered why those laws mostly showed up in states like Wisconsin (twice as many people were purged from the rolls in democratic precincts as Trump won the state by), Michigan, North Carolina, Texas , and Arizona?

They're literally referred to as "turnout control efforts" among GOP operatives. It's part of why they kept losing in the Courts initially- the emails and public comments from the people who drafted these laws were VERY clear about the intent of the laws.

Did you just call Texas a swing state?

[time4fun]

Did you just call Texas a swing state?

Texas is one of a handful of red States that has been trending blue for years. Those are the states that got the immediate voter suppression treatment after the 2010 GOP wave. In the case of Texas and Arizona, they were preemptive strikes to slow down the trend.

Your feigned skepticism is both insincere and cowardly. At least have the decency to admit what you know is going on.

[Gelston]

Texas is one of a handful of red States that has been trending blue for years. Those are the states that got the immediate voter suppression treatment after the 2010 GOP wave. In the case of Texas and Arizona, they were preemptive strikes to slow down the trend.

Your feigned skepticism is both insincere and cowardly. At least have the decency to admit what you know is going on.

Rofl "cowardly". Okay. You can't even grasp that Trump was the weakest possible Candidate that the GOP could have back and he still beat Hillary. You just need to admit that Hillary was never going to win. It wasn't Russian collusion, it wasn't gerrymandering, it wasn't voter suppression, it was her being the worst possible candidate. I bet Bernie Sanders would have beaten Trump.

[Neveragain]

What prediction are you asking me about again?

What predictions have you made other than Hillary was going to jail?

Because mostly you just copy paste Tweets from alt-left fucktards.

Shouldn't you also be calling for Bernie Sanders to step down because of his being found guilty of accepting illegal donations and also "colluding" with Russian boogeyman agents?

[Methais]

Texas is one of a handful of red States that has been trending blue for years. Those are the states that got the immediate voter suppression treatment after the 2010 GOP wave. In the case of Texas and Arizona, they were preemptive strikes to slow down the trend.

Your feigned skepticism is both insincere and cowardly. At least have the decency to admit what you know is going on.

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[time4fun]

Rofl "cowardly". Okay. You can't even grasp that Trump was the weakest possible Candidate that the GOP could have back and he still beat Hillary. You just need to admit that Hillary was never going to win. It wasn't Russian collusion, it wasn't gerrymandering, it wasn't voter suppression, it was her being the worst possible candidate. I bet Bernie Sanders would have beaten Trump.

So if those things aren't impactful- why does SO much energy go to ensuring them?

Your premise here requires us to believe that the Republican party itself is mistaken in the efficacy of its own strategies.

Also that Russia is itself mistaken in the efficacy of its own strategies.

Given how *razor* thin the margins were in the three blue wall states that decided control of the White House- you're facing a bit of an uphill battle right now to prove that all of that energy that went into voter suppression (from the GOP and from Russia) didn't have the ability to affect a fraction of a percent of the electorate.

Also Clinton got about 3 million more votes than Trump did. So we can shed this false pretense that he was elected because he was more popular than Hillary Clinton or a better candidate. He was, demonstrably not the former (at minimum). In which case- I'm not sure exactly what the basis of your argument actually is.

[Gelston]

So if those things aren't impactful- why does SO much energy go to ensuring them?

Your premise here requires us to believe that the Republican party itself is mistaken in the efficacy of its own strategies.

Also that Russia is itself mistaken in the efficacy of its own strategies.

Given how *razor* thin the margins were in the three blue wall states that decided control of the White House- you're facing a bit of an uphill battle right now to prove that all of that energy that went into voter suppression (from the GOP and from Russia) didn't have the ability to affect a fraction of a percent of the electorate.

Also Clinton got about 3 million more votes than Trump did. So we can shed this false pretense that he was elected because he was more popular than Hillary Clinton or a better candidate. He was, demonstrably not the former (at minimum). In which case- I'm not sure exactly what the basis of your argument actually is.

He was a better candidate. He actually won the election.

[cwolff]

Wass claims that “previously undisclosed evidence is currently in the possession of Special Counsel Robert Mueller,” and that this evidence shows a strong indication that Trump did in fact obstruct justice while pressuring and then firing James Comey last year.

“Several people who have reviewed a portion of this evidence say that, based on what they know, they believe it is now all but inevitable that the special counsel will complete a confidential report presenting evidence that President Trump violated the law. Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein, who oversees the special counsel’s work, would then decide on turning over that report to Congress for the House of Representatives to consider whether to instigate impeachment proceedings,” Waas wrote.

He then further elaborates on what the evidence indicates and why it is so incredibly damning to the President:

“I have learned that a confidential White House memorandum, which is in the special counsel’s possession, explicitly states that when Trump pressured Comey, he had just been told by two of his top aides—his then chief of staff Reince Priebus and his White House counsel Don McGahn—that Flynn was under criminal investigation.”

Also according to Waas, both “Priebus and McGahn have confirmed in separate interviews with the special counsel that they had told Trump that Flynn was under investigation by the FBI before he met with Comey.”


This probably explains why trumps also changing his tweet from NO COLLUSION to Collusion's not a crime.


https://hillreporter.com/mueller-reportedly-has-strong-evidence-that-trump-obstructed-justice-4878/amp

[SHAFT]

This probably explains why trumps also changing his tweet from NO COLLUSION to Collusion's not a crime.


https://hillreporter.com/mueller-reportedly-has-strong-evidence-that-trump-obstructed-justice-4878/amp

No contacts with Russia —> ok lots of contacts, but no collusion! —> ok collusion, but collusion isn’t illegal!

Wonder what’s next?

[cwolff]

No contacts with Russia —> ok lots of contacts, but no collusion! —> ok collusion, but collusion isn’t illegal!

Wonder what’s next?

Oh man. We're starting to see it already. They're becoming more and more comfortable with Russian interference. One thing to keep in mind is that the GOP is shrinking so the polls with % of GOP stats are getting out of whack a bit.


It’s always a bit hard to know what to make of polls of such wild questions. But Yahoo Finance used SurveyMonkey to poll all voters and particularly Republicans about whether or not they think it’s okay for Russia to help the Republican party in US elections. Trumpers have long been edging their way toward a “collusion is awesome” defense for some time. They’re in luck. Republicans are basically already there.

Here are the numbers. (https://finance.yahoo.com/news/republicans-want-russia-influence-us-elections-202847050.html)
Looking toward the 2018 midterm, 11% of Republicans say it’s “appropriate” for Russia to help the GOP maintain control of Congress. Another 29% say it’s “not appropriate but wouldn’t be a big deal.” So fully 40% of Republicans, according to this poll, either think Russian election is assistance is actually great or at least aren’t going to lose any sleep over it.

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/poll-republicans-give-thumbs-up-to-russian-help

[Neveragain]

Wonder what’s next?


WHAT’S A BERNIE SANDERS STRATEGIST DOING IN THE MANAFORT FILES?

https://twitter.com/kenvogel/status/1019989409314361344?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1019989409314361344&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.vanityfair.com%2Fnews%2F 2018%2F07%2Fbernie-sanders-strategist-tad-devine-paul-manafort-files-mueller

[Androidpk]

Ecuador’s President Lenín Moreno yesterday made his most explicit statement yet of his government’s willingness to hand over WikiLeaks editor Julian Assange to the British authorities to be imprisoned and then extradited to the United States.

Moreno’s comments indicate that negotiations with Britain’s Conservative Party government are at an advanced stage, with the intent of forcing Assange to leave Ecuador’s London embassy on the terms being demanded by the British and US administrations.

:popcorn:

[Tgo01]

:popcorn:

Why do you suddenly seem to be cheering for Assange to be thrown in jail? Weren't you one of his biggest dick strokers on here?

Do you blame him for Trump?

[Neveragain]

:popcorn:

Nothing to say about bernie colluding with russians?

Have we seen Bernie's tax returns?

[Neveragain]

Documents Show Sanders Staffers Breached Clinton Voter Data

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/bernie-sanders-campaign-penalized-dnc-after-improperly-accessing-clinton-voter-n482341

[Androidpk]

Nothing to say about bernie colluding with russians?

Have we seen Bernie's tax returns?

Bernie lost get over it.

[Androidpk]

Why do you suddenly seem to be cheering for Assange to be thrown in jail? Weren't you one of his biggest dick strokers on here?

Do you blame him for Trump?

play stupid games, win stupid prizes

[Neveragain]

Bernie lost get over it.

He still holds a position as a US senator. He needs to step down, he's already been proven guilty of taking illegal campaign contributions.

[Astray]

He still holds a position as a US senator. He needs to step down, he's already been proven guilty of taking illegal campaign contributions.

One of the many reasons I hate Sanders, an intense lack of integrity.

[Neveragain]

Or perhaps you would rather talk about Elizabeth Warren, another US senator, who falsely claimed to be a minority to obtain a position at Harvard?

Certainly you would never support such a candidate, nor trust such a person to be a US senator?

[Androidpk]

He still holds a position as a US senator. He needs to step down, he's already been proven guilty of taking illegal campaign contributions.

So? He was facing a civil penalty by the FEC, nothing criminal, and he paid a whopping $14.5k to settle the matter.

[Androidpk]

One of the many reasons I hate Sanders, an intense lack of integrity.

yet you seem to like Trump, how does that make any sense?


Or perhaps you would rather talk about Elizabeth Warren, another US senator, who falsely claimed to be a minority to obtain a position at Harvard?

Certainly you would never support such a candidate, nor trust such a person to be a US senator?

Don't give a damn about Warren. You trying to make a point here? You seem really confused.

[Androidpk]

best friends

https://www.strategic-culture.org/images/news/2016/09/14/or-37898.jpg

[Astray]

yet you seem to like Trump, how does that make any sense?

The indignant stance many take against Trump is specifically making me appear to care at all for Politics. Blame all the ad hominem floating in the air.

[Androidpk]

The indignant stance many take against Trump is specifically making me appear to care at all for Politics. Blame all the ad hominem floating in the air.

Do you think Trump has integrity? Does he have more integrity than Sanders?

[Astray]

Do you think Trump has integrity? Does he have more integrity than Sanders?

I think Trump has a case of cognitive dissonance in that what he says and does fluctuates from day to day but inevitably he does what he does best, looks out for himself. I couldn't speak on his integrity directly but I will vouch and say that he is better than Sanders.

In my opinion, yes. But by a very fluctuated margin.

[Tgo01]

I think Trump has a case of cognitive dissonance in that what he says and does fluctuates from day to day but inevitably he does what he does best, looks out for himself. I couldn't speak on his integrity directly but I will vouch and say that he is better than Sanders.

In my opinion, yes. But by a very fluctuated margin.

I honestly wasn't even that thrilled at the prospect of a president Trump, but I think he has done a lot of good things since assuming office. He has gone more right than I was expecting him to because I was expecting him to go very far left.

I also agree that looking at the shit he says isn't the metric we should be judging him on, we should be looking at the shit he does. People keep harping on him for his words towards Russia, who cares?

Trump has gone against Russia's wishes in Syria.
Trump has gone after Iran (a major Russian ally) and imposed tough sanctions on them.
Trump has called for NATO to increase their funding.
Trump has told Germany they should buy less Russian energy and buy more from the US instead.
Trump hasn't lifted any sanctions against Russia.

That's all just off the top of my head.

All Democrats can do is scream Russia Russia Russia and they just ignore the Trump administration's actions towards Russia. They just come off as disingenuous which makes me want to defend him just out of principle.

[Androidpk]

I think Trump has a case of cognitive dissonance in that what he says and does fluctuates from day to day but inevitably he does what he does best, looks out for himself. I couldn't speak on his integrity directly but I will vouch and say that he is better than Sanders.

In my opinion, yes. But by a very fluctuated margin.

So you can't comment on Trump's integrity but you can say that Sanders doesn't only lack integrity he has an intense lack of integrity.

You are either;

A. Trolling
B. Beyond ignorant
C. Willfully stupid

[Androidpk]

All Democrats can do is scream Russia Russia Russia and they just ignore the Trump administration's actions towards Russia. They just come off as disingenuous which makes me want to defend him just out of principle.

Republican FISA judges
Republican FBI director
Republican DOJ deputy attorney general
Republican special counsel

But yeah, keep crying about the democrats.

[Astray]

So you can't comment on Trump's integrity but you can say that Sanders doesn't only lack integrity he has an intense lack of integrity.

You are either;

A. Trolling
B. Beyond ignorant
C. Willfully stupid

D. Your disdain for Trump has led you in an attempt to discredit everyone that disagrees with you. Even when the person you're attempting to discredit gave you opinion, not fact.

You aren't arguing nor attempting to discuss a topic. This is why I don't do politics. People become so vile when you don't nod and agree.

[Androidpk]

D. Your disdain for Trump has led you in an attempt to discredit everyone that disagrees with you. Even when the person you're attempting to discredit gave you opinion, not fact.

You aren't arguing nor attempting to discuss a topic. This is why I don't do politics. People become so vile when you don't nod and agree.

You made a completely ludicrous remark, of course I'm going to give you shit for it.

[Tgo01]

Republican FISA judges
Republican FBI director
Republican DOJ deputy attorney general
Republican special counsel


Republican FBI director? You're not talking about Comey right?

Also what's your point? You're not suggesting that the cry of "Russia Russia Russia" isn't largely coming from the left are you? I know you're dumb but you can't be that dumb.

[Astray]

You made a completely ludicrous remark, of course I'm going to give you shit for it.

Is it ludicrous because it doesn't follow your specific view point of Trump is evil?

[Androidpk]

Is it ludicrous because it doesn't follow your specific view point of Trump is evil?

That's not why.

[Androidpk]

Republican FBI director? You're not talking about Comey right?

Also what's your point? You're not suggesting that the cry of "Russia Russia Russia" isn't largely coming from the left are you? I know you're dumb but you can't be that dumb.

Newsflash, Comey isn't the director of the FBI.

The point is your supposed vast left wing conspiracy BS is just that, BS.

[Astray]

That's not why.

Yet you can't level a proper persuasive argument for why my opinion is incorrect because you're too caught up in hurling insults.

[Androidpk]

Yet you can't level a proper persuasive argument for why my opinion is incorrect because you're too caught up in hurling insults.

And you couldn't level a proper persuasive argument beyond, "I can't comment on Trump's integrity." Don't be absurd, man.

[Tgo01]

Newsflash, Comey isn't the director of the FBI.

Newsflash, no shit. I wanted to make sure you weren't referring to him as the previous director. Remember you're dumb, I need to verify these things with you.


The point is your supposed vast left wing conspiracy BS is just that, BS.

I didn't say it was a "vast left wing conspiracy." I said Democrats only look at what Trump says in regards to "Russian collusion" and don't look at the actions his administration has taken in regards to Russia. I literally spelled this out in English so simple even someone with a weak grasp on the English language could understand it. So you're either being willfully obtuse or it just comes naturally to you.

[Astray]

And you couldn't level a proper persuasive argument beyond, "I can't comment on Trump's integrity." Don't be absurd, man.

I guess the rest of my post was roundly ignored or you'd merely honed in on the idea that I, a non-political person, could not form an opinion on the integrity of someone I just don't give a shit about.

You big weenie.

[~Rocktar~]

Republican FBI director

Which one are you talking about, the one that recused himself from the investigation for the barest of minimum official interaction he had with Russians during his time in office? Or are you talking about the former director that is friends with many of the people being investigated and who hand picked a team of extremely, someone say fanatically Leftist investigators? Or are you talking about the previous director who authorized manipulating a FISA warrant, botched the Hillary investigation and covered up and stalled long enough to prevent Hillary from going to trial over perjury and mishandling classified information?


Republican DOJ deputy attorney general

Are you talking about the current one who is kind of a drip or the previous one that conspired to mislead a FISA court, worked with agents in the bureau to undermine the Hillary investigation and who also lied to congress?


Republican special counsel

Oh yeah, this guy, the one with all the Leftist friends including many who are under investigation supposedly, who stacked his team with Leftists and who had to basically be forced to fire his chief investigator since he was sleeping with an FBI lawyer and conspiring to tamper with the election or instigate some kind of poison pill plan to get the President if his idol didn't win?


But yeah, keep crying about the democrats.

Only you Leftist shills would have the arrogance to think that just because someone calls themselves a Republican that they will all brainlessly follow along and do what the party or President says. That is the Leftist ideology and code, after all, that is why you all are so mad when you have Blacks, Hispanics and women that leave the party.

[Androidpk]

Newsflash, no shit. I wanted to make sure you weren't referring to him as the previous director. Remember you're dumb, I need to verify these things with you.



I didn't say it was a "vast left wing conspiracy." I said Democrats only look at what Trump says in regards to "Russian collusion" and don't look at the actions his administration has taken in regards to Russia. I literally spelled this out in English so simple even someone with a weak grasp on the English language could understand it. So you're either being willfully obtuse or it just comes naturally to you.

You've stated numerous times that this is all a hoax/witchhunt/conspiracy.

[Tgo01]

You've stated numerous times that this is all a hoax/witchhunt/conspiracy.

"I'm going to ignore the words I am quoting you saying and instead go by the words you probably said in the past."

You do that, pk.

[Androidpk]

Which one are you talking about, the one that recused himself from the investigation for the barest of minimum official interaction he had with Russians during his time in office? Or are you talking about the former director that is friends with many of the people being investigated and who hand picked a team of extremely, someone say fanatically Leftist investigators? Or are you talking about the previous director who authorized manipulating a FISA warrant, botched the Hillary investigation and covered up and stalled long enough to prevent Hillary from going to trial over perjury and mishandling classified information?



Are you talking about the current one who is kind of a drip or the previous one that conspired to mislead a FISA court, worked with agents in the beuro to undermine the Hillary investigation and who also lied to congress?



Oh yeah, this guy, the one with all the Leftist friends including many who are under investigation suposedly, who stacked his team with Leftists and who had to basically be forced to fire his chief investigatior since he was sleeping with an FBI lawyer and conspiring to tamper with the election or instigate some kind of poison pill plan to get the President if his idol didn't win?



Only you Leftist shills would have the arrogance to think that just because someone calls themselves a Republican that they will all brainlessly follow along and do what the party or President says. That is the Leftist ideology and code, after all, that is why you all are so mad when you have Blacks, Hispanics and women that leave the party.

learn2spellcheck

[Androidpk]

"I'm going to ignore the words I am quoting you saying and instead go by the words you probably said in the past."

You do that, pk.

What, have you evolved on the subject? Is this a legitimate investigation in your eyes, now that the writing is on the wall?

[Tgo01]

What, have you evolved on the subject? Is this a legitimate investigation in your eyes, now that the writing is on the wall?

Not gonna fall for more of your distraction shit.

My point: All Democrats can do is whine about what Trump says in regards to Russian collusion and ignore what his administration has done in regards to Russia.

pk's point:

https://farm5.static.flickr.com/4044/5147648140_a1e239ca40_b.jpg

[Androidpk]

Not gonna fall for more of your distraction shit.

My point: All Democrats can do is whine about what Trump says in regards to Russian collusion and ignore what his administration has done in regards to Russia.

pk's point:

https://farm5.static.flickr.com/4044/5147648140_a1e239ca40_b.jpg


Yup, asking you if you think the special counsel investigation is legitimate or not is totally distraction. :lol:

Newflash, we already know you don't think it's legitimate.

[Tgo01]

Yup, asking you if you think the special counsel investigation is legitimate or not is totally distraction. :lol:

Newflash, we already know you don't think it's legitimate.

9098

[~Rocktar~]

learn2spellcheck

Awww, did the poor little whiny bitch with sand in his manjina get triggered over some small typos?

[cwolff]

There’s a price to be paid for electing an unfit president. “In general, when Trump is around someone whom he perceives as supportive, or when he gets a phone call from a supportive billionaire, or when he hears a supportive commentator on Fox News, his thinking is rapidly influenced by what that person is saying. This is ‘sympathetic audience control.’ With Trump, the impact is so strong that it persists after the person is gone — maybe even until another sympathetic individual comes along.” The Russians sure did hit the jackpot.

I noticed the mention a few pages back by Astray about trumps mental health. This quote is from this article (https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2018/07/31/morning-bits-republicans-may-pay-a-steep-price-for-trump-sycophancy/). It's worth a read if you've ever wondered WTF is going on?

Here's another piece about it, maybe the original piece that is now getting spread around. The article is titled (https://www.northjersey.com/story/opinion/contributors/2018/07/30/why-he-lies-trump-and-effect-audience-control/866669002/) Why he lies: Trump and the affect of "audience control"


When I saw CNN’s Jake Tapper suddenly blurt out, “What the hell is going on?” in an online video the other day, I thought I’d better speak up.
Like millions of people, Tapper has become increasingly baffled by President Donald Trump’s odd behaviors: sucking up to Russian President Vladimir Putin in Helsinki, then rewriting his own words the next day; scolding British Prime Minister Theresa May in an interview in The Sun, then denying that he ever did so in May’s presence hours later; lying, reversing himself, lying again, then lying about the lies.

Come up with your own list of peculiar and often contradictory Trump statements – about women, the Access Hollywood tape, immigrants, Charlottesville, gun rights, you name it. The bottom line, more and more, seems to be that exasperating question, “What the hell is going on?”

[Neveragain]

So? He was facing a civil penalty by the FEC, nothing criminal, and he paid a whopping $14.5k to settle the matter.

"Nothing criminal" is the opinion of Bernie Sanders. The fact is he paid a fine for breaking campaign finance laws. But of course this is totally OK by you because you are a mindless hack.

That aside it's more than obvious that this investigation shows that Bernie was also playing with Russians.

How can you be so unamerican that you will put politics above truth and honesty?

NVM, I almosat forgot that you're a thief yourself.

[Androidpk]

Awww, did the poor little whiny bitch with sand in his manjina get triggered over some small typos?

Actually your post did trigger me, it triggered mad laughter with your completely unhinged version of reality. Alex Jones persona is for show and $$$ but you're on a whole other level and completely buy into his BS.

[Androidpk]

"Nothing criminal" is the opinion of Bernie Sanders. The fact is he paid a fine for breaking campaign finance laws. But of course this is totally OK by you because you are a mindless hack.

Nothing criminal because it was a civil fine. Learn2law


That aside it's more than obvious that this investigation shows that Bernie was also playing with Russians.

Sorry, it doesn't. The FBI isn't investigating Bernie Sanders for anything he did during his campaign.


How can you be so unamerican that you will put politics above truth and honesty?

irony


NVM, I almosat forgot that you're a thief yourself.

low energy troll, sad

[Neveragain]

Nothing criminal because it was a civil fine. Learn2law



Sorry, it doesn't. The FBI isn't investigating Bernie Sanders for anything he did during his campaign.


So let me get this straight, we must impeach Trump for something he has not seen his day in court for but Bernie is totally cool after paying a fine to avoid a long drawn court case so it's kept out of the public eye.

If the FBI isn't investigating Bernie, then why has Mueller named him in the findings? Did Mueller just throw his name in there because of nothing?

[Androidpk]

So let me get this straight, we must impeach Trump for something he has not seen his day in court for but Bernie is totally cool after paying a fine to avoid a long drawn court case so it's kept out of the public eye.

If the FBI isn't investigating Bernie, then why has Mueller named him in the findings? Did Mueller just throw his name in there because of nothing?

You don't go to court before you get impeached.. this is basic high school government stuff..

Mueller isn't investigating Sanders.

[Neveragain]

Mueller isn't investigating Sanders.

That's why Bernie is named in the findings.

[Androidpk]

That's why Bernie is named in the findings.

which? when?

[Neveragain]

which? when?


A 37-page indictment resulting from special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation shows that Russian nationals and businesses also worked to boost the campaigns of Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders and Green party nominee Jill Stein in an effort to damage Democrat Hillary Clinton.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/02/17/indictment-russians-also-tried-help-bernie-sanders-jill-stein-presidential-campaigns/348051002/

Of course I had already posted this and obviously you are incapable of reading.

The link to the tweet I posted also shows that Bernies campaign chairman also has Russian connections.

Me: Bernie had to pay a fine to avoid a campaign finance hearing.

You: Nothing to see here.

Me:
http://gifimage.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/wait-what-gif.gif

[Androidpk]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/02/17/indictment-russians-also-tried-help-bernie-sanders-jill-stein-presidential-campaigns/348051002/

Of course I had already posted this and obviously you are incapable of reading.

The link to the tweet I posted also shows that Bernies campaign chairman also has Russian connections.

Me: Bernie had to pay a fine to avoid a campaign finance hearing.

You: Nothing to see here.

Me:
http://gifimage.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/wait-what-gif.gif


Did Bernie have secret meetings with the Russians like Trump did? Nope.
Has he lied constantly about his dealings? Nope.
Has he tried to obstruct Mueller's investigation like Trump has been doing? Nope.
Are you desperately trying to deflect? Absolutely.

[Wrathbringer]

Did Bernie have secret meetings with the Russians like Trump did? Nope.
Has he lied constantly about his dealings? Nope.
Has he tried to obstruct Mueller's investigation like Trump has been doing? Nope.
Are you desperately trying to deflect? Absolutely.

Are you retarded? Yep. subpoena subpoena

[Neveragain]

Did Bernie have secret meetings with the Russians like Trump did? Nope.
Has he lied constantly about his dealings? Nope.
Has he tried to obstruct Mueller's investigation like Trump has been doing? Nope.
Are you desperately trying to deflect? Absolutely.

Trump had a secret meeting with Russians?

So now you're just making shit up.

Did Bernie get fined for campaign finance infractions? Yes.

Did Bernies staffers breach clinton voter data? Yes.

[Androidpk]

Trump had a secret meeting with Russians?

So now you're just making shit up.

Did Bernie get fined for campaign finance infractions? Yes.

Did Bernies staffers breach clinton voter data? Yes.

Bernie isn't being investigated by the FBI.

Trump is.

You can spin and troll all you want, nothing is going to change that.

[Neveragain]

Bernie isn't being investigated by the FBI.

Trump is.

You can spin and troll all you want, nothing is going to change that.

That's why Bernie is named in the Mueller indictments.

So you made up the part about Trump having secret meetings with Russians?

[Androidpk]

That's why Bernie is named in the Mueller indictments.

So you made up the part about Trump having secret meetings with Russians?

trollolololololol

[Neveragain]

trollolololololol


FEC releases damning 639 pages of violations by Bernie Sanders campaign


Now the fun part comes from pages 595 through 638 which are all foreign donations

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/5/11/1525428/-FEC-releases-damning-639-pages-of-violations-by-Bernie-Sanders-campaign

https://media.tenor.com/images/289eafd4c9fdb471ad71b092ae87cfd7/tenor.gif

[Androidpk]

https://i.imgur.com/co65Ls0.jpg

[RichardCranium]

Circumstantial evidence is still evidence.

[Neveragain]

https://i.imgur.com/co65Ls0.jpg

Maybe you forgot that Trump won the election?

[ClydeR]

Three important points from today's tweetstorm..

First, Trump says people under investigation should not be allowed to remain in office during the investigation.

Second, Trump calls on Attorney General Sessions to end the Mueller investigation "right now."

Third, Trump is a stable genius.







https://i.imgur.com/3yct28H.jpg

[Methais]

yet you seem to like Trump, how does that make any sense?



Don't give a damn about Warren. You trying to make a point here? You seem really confused.

Quoted for when you start tossing her salad if/when she runs.

[Methais]

Do you think Trump has integrity? Does he have more integrity than Sanders?

Both have more than you ever will. But you already knew that.


Republican FBI director? You're not talking about Comey right?

Also what's your point? You're not suggesting that the cry of "Russia Russia Russia" isn't largely coming from the left are you? I know you're dumb but you can't be that dumb.

He really is that dumb.


I guess the rest of my post was roundly ignored or you'd merely honed in on the idea that I, a non-political person, could not form an opinion on the integrity of someone I just don't give a shit about.

You big weenie.

Lol @ weenie :lol:

Pk you fucking weenie.

[Methais]

learn2spellcheck

learn2stopbeingaweenie

[Methais]

Actually your post did trigger me

You wouldn’t be so triggered if you weren’t such a butthurt little weenie.

[Methais]

Did Bernie have secret meetings with the Russians like Trump did? Nope.
Has he lied constantly about his dealings? Nope.
Has he tried to obstruct Mueller's investigation like Trump has been doing? Nope.
Are you desperately trying to deflect? Absolutely.

https://i.imgur.com/biTCM6n.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/b9rs0GJ.jpg

[Methais]

trollolololololol yes I did make that part up

Only teenage girls say trololololololol.

And weenies.

[RichardCranium]

Six in a row. That's like Chris Brown level.

[Androidpk]

Three important points from today's tweetstorm..

First, Trump says people under investigation should not be allowed to remain in office during the investigation.

Second, Trump calls on Attorney General Sessions to end the Mueller investigation "right now."

Third, Trump is a stable genius.







https://i.imgur.com/3yct28H.jpg



More obstruction of justice for Mueller to put in his report. GG Trump.

[SHAFT]

GOP, foxnews, and Rudy Giuliani want mueller to wrap this up, but trump keeps giving his team more exhibits. Mind boggling.

Innocent people don’t act like this. Just shut the fuck up if you’re innocent...

But we all know trump and co are guilty. Well, everyone but Tgo (good luck, pal).

[Tgo01]

Innocent people don’t act like this. Just shut the fuck up if you’re innocent...

Innocent people don't say they are innocent? Weird.

[SHAFT]

Sarah Sanders, is that you???

Tgo, have you considered applying for a job in trump administration? You’d do well.

Your detachment from reality and ability spin/lie would do you well in that environment.

[Tgo01]

Sarah Sanders, is that you???

Tgo, have you considered applying for a job in trump administration? You’d do well.

Your detachment from reality and ability spin/lie would do you well in that environment.

What am I spinning/lying about? Look how simple I'm keeping my posts, two sentences!

[SHAFT]

What am I spinning/lying about? Look how simple I'm keeping my posts, two sentences!

Well done. I’m avoiding the vortex. I’ve said my piece.

[Tgo01]

Well done. I’m avoiding the vortex. I’ve said my piece.

That's what I thought. Six words!

[drauz]

So it seems like Russia is behind the #AbolishICE & #UnitetheRight movements. It looks like they are trying to disrupt the stability of the US in general as opposed to just getting one side elected.

[Tgo01]

So it seems like Russia is behind the #AbolishICE & #UnitetheRight movements. It looks like they are trying to disrupt the stability of the US in general as opposed to just getting one side elected.

Impossible!

[cwolff]

So it seems like Russia is behind the #AbolishICE & #UnitetheRight movements. It looks like they are trying to disrupt the stability of the US in general as opposed to just getting one side elected.

They did the same in 2016. It's like what we did in Iran when we busted up their democracy.

Anyway you slice it though, Russia is attacking us and has been.

[Taernath]

So it seems like Russia is behind the #AbolishICE & #UnitetheRight movements. It looks like they are trying to disrupt the stability of the US in general as opposed to just getting one side elected.

What if one side is more disruptive than the other?

[Androidpk]

I wouldn't be surprised if Russia is arming alt right/fascist/neo nazi groups like they've been doing in Europe.

[Neveragain]

I wouldn't be surprised if Russia is arming alt right/fascist/neo nazi groups like they've been doing in Europe.

I'm sure of it!

https://media.giphy.com/media/svb8tKSIpGfHq/giphy.gif

[Androidpk]

I'm sure of it!

Just like you're sure the president needs to go to court before getting impeached? You're a bright one alright..

https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/article167781352.html

[Neveragain]

Just like you're sure the president needs to go to court before getting impeached? You're a bright one alright..

https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/article167781352.html

Yes, because understanding the process of impeachment proceedings is the equivalent of being so fucking retarded that one would believe that the Russians are arming American citizens.

Hollywood called they want their movie script back.


House Panel Draft Report Clears Trump Of Collusion With Russia

https://www.npr.org/2018/03/13/593077599/house-panel-clears-trump-of-collusion-with-russia


FEC releases damning 639 pages of violations by Bernie Sanders campaign
Now the fun part comes from pages 595 through 638 which are all foreign donations

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/5/11/1525428/-FEC-releases-damning-639-pages-of-violations-by-Bernie-Sanders-campaign

[Androidpk]

Yes, because understanding the process of impeachment proceedings is the equivalent of being so fucking retarded that one would believe that the Russians are arming American citizens.

Hollywood called they want their movie script back.



https://www.npr.org/2018/03/13/593077599/house-panel-clears-trump-of-collusion-with-russia



https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/5/11/1525428/-FEC-releases-damning-639-pages-of-violations-by-Bernie-Sanders-campaign


low energy troll, sad

[Wrathbringer]

low energy troll, sad

You're sad. No one else. Just you.

[Methais]

I wouldn't be surprised if Russia is arming alt right/fascist/neo nazi groups like they've been doing in Europe.

Only because Russia doesn't have enough dildos to sufficiently supply the left with their weapon of choice.

[Androidpk]

(CNN) A federal judge has rejected an attempt from an associate of Roger Stone to challenge a subpoena on the grounds that special counsel Robert Mueller's appointment was unconstitutional.

Andrew Miller, a former associate of longtime Donald Trump confidante Stone, was ordered to testify before the Mueller grand jury. Miller had challenged a subpoena for documents and testimony by arguing that Mueller's appointment was unconstitutional.

"Multiple statutes authorize the Special Counsel's appointment, and the official who appointed the Special Counsel had power to do so. For these reasons ... the witness's motion to quash the grand jury subpoenas is denied," US District Court for the District of Columbia Chief Judge Beryl Howell wrote in a 93-page opinion signed July 31.

Howell ordered the witness to appear for testimony "at the earliest date available to the grand jury, and to complete production of the subpoenaed records promptly."

[Methais]

(CNN) A federal judge has rejected pk's attempt from an associate of Kranar to issue a subpoena on the grounds that his feelings being hurt on a message board for a 30 year old text game is unconstitutional,

Androidpk, a former and current hater of masturbating women, was ordered to shut the fuck up before the Players' Corner grand jury. Pk had requested a subpoena for IPs and testimony by himself arguing that Kranar's disregard for his feelings was unconstitutional.

https://deltadailynews.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/1-25.jpg

[cwolff]

Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) warned Attorney General Jeff Sessions on Thursday to stay out of negotiations on criminal justice reform legislation because he helped stop President Trump from firing him.
“With all that I have done to help Sessions, to keep the president from firing him, I think Sessions ought to stay out of it," Grassley, the chairman of the Judiciary Committee, told reporters.


Asked how he helped Sessions, a former Judiciary Committee chairman, Grassley noted that in June 2017 "the suggestion [of firing Sessions] was coming and I told the White House I don't have time to have a hearing on a new attorney general."

This adds a new wrinkle. We've got a sitting U.S. Senator saying he kept trump from firing the A.G. in June 2017. No single piece of this makes a case for obstruction but taken as a whole it becomes compelling.

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/400114-grassley-sessions-should-stay-out-of-criminal-justice-debate-after-i-helped?__twitter_impression=true&__twitter_impression=true

[Tgo01]

This adds a new wrinkle. We've got a sitting U.S. Senator saying he kept trump from firing the A.G. in June 2017. No single piece of this makes a case for obstruction but taken as a whole it becomes compelling.

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/400114-grassley-sessions-should-stay-out-of-criminal-justice-debate-after-i-helped?__twitter_impression=true&__twitter_impression=true

How is any of that obstruction of justice? I think you jumped the gun on this one and pushed a narrative without first checking with CNN.

[Androidpk]

https://deltadailynews.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/1-25.jpg

you really need to seek professional help for your pk derangement syndrome

[Parkbandit]

GOP, foxnews, and Rudy Giuliani want mueller to wrap this up, but trump keeps giving his team more exhibits. Mind boggling.

Innocent people don’t act like this. Just shut the fuck up if you’re innocent...

But we all know trump and co are guilty. Well, everyone but Tgo (good luck, pal).


https://media.giphy.com/media/3oz8xLd9DJq2l2VFtu/giphy.gif
https://media.giphy.com/media/3oz8xLd9DJq2l2VFtu/giphy.gif
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https://media.giphy.com/media/3oz8xLd9DJq2l2VFtu/giphy.gif

Your nervous breakdown has been entertaining to watch. Thank you again.

[Parkbandit]

you really need to seek professional help for your pk derangement syndrome

Delusions of grandeur much? No one has any syndrome associated with you. At all.

No one cares about a homeless Goodwill reject. Like at all.

Sorry.

Also:
https://i.gifer.com/B1hj.gif

[Methais]

you really need to seek professional help for your pk derangement syndrome

That must be why you've been trying to creep on me irl, because I have pk derangement syndrome and you totally don't have Methais hurt my feelings derangement syndrome, right?

Go be a pedo elsewhere, pedo. Literally no one here likes you or doesn't think you're an all around creepy as fuck piece of shit.

[Androidpk]

Delusions of grandeur much? No one has any syndrome associated with you. At all.

No one cares about a homeless Goodwill reject. Like at all.

Sorry.



https://static1.fjcdn.com/thumbnails/comments/Here+have+a+butthurt+gif+with+a+hard+g+_cf05d96236 0c28a6548cabd94d4f8e16.gif



That must be why you've been trying to creep on me irl, because I have pk derangement syndrome and you totally don't have Methais hurt my feelings derangement syndrome, right?

Go be a pedo elsewhere, pedo. Literally no one here likes you or doesn't think you're an all around creepy as fuck piece of shit.


https://static1.fjcdn.com/thumbnails/comments/Here+have+a+butthurt+gif+with+a+hard+g+_cf05d96236 0c28a6548cabd94d4f8e16.gif

[Wrathbringer]

You're stupid.

[Parkbandit]

Yes, yes Androidpk.. we're all butthurt at how successful you turned out.

http://tse2.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.mZttfXo6SM5Rls1wBiEIOgHaJC

[Methais]

https://static1.fjcdn.com/thumbnails/comments/Here+have+a+butthurt+gif+with+a+hard+g+_cf05d96236 0c28a6548cabd94d4f8e16.gif

Let's not forget this is the guy that calls everyone else low energy. :lol:

I'd better stop now or pk might threaten to beat me up irl because he's a tough guy like that. A real tough guy, not some keyboard warrior. I know this is true because he told us over the internet.


Yes, yes Androidpk.. we're all butthurt at how successful you turned out.

http://tse2.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.mZttfXo6SM5Rls1wBiEIOgHaJC

IT'S NOT WERKANG!!!!!!!!!!!

https://zippy.gfycat.com/SpectacularScholarlyIndianskimmer.gif

[cwolff]

I found this interesting (http://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/400237-obstruction-of-justice-bombshell-will-explode-before-midterms?__twitter_impression=true) and some of you might too.


Consider the obstruction of justice provisions in the articles of impeachment against Richard Nixon that were passed by the House Judiciary Committee before Nixon resigned. Article 1, Section 8 of the articles of impeachment included this:

“making or causing to be made false or misleading public statements for the purpose of deceiving the people of the United States into believing that a thorough and complete investigation had been conducted with respect to allegations of misconduct on the part of personnel of the executive branch of the United States and personnel of the Committee for the Re-election of the President, and that there was no involvement of such personnel in such misconduct.”

In other words, repeatedly making false statements intended to deceive the public about matters under investigation constitute acts in furtherance of obstruction of justice in violation of American law.


Trump lies so much that it's taken for granted. No one bats an eye at another trump lie and I wonder if that can be a defense because Exaggerated Hyperbole is simply trumps method of communication and he's consistently doing it. It's not like he ever acted honest and honorable then suddenly and only relating to Russian investigations, flipped a switch and lied about it. Hopefully we'll find out soon. I, for one, expect him to be named an unindicted conspirator when this report comes out.

[Androidpk]

I, for one, expect him to be named an unindicted conspirator when this report comes out.

correct

[Methais]

correct

https://pics.me.me/thumb_here-ya-go-little-fella-butt-cream-a-lot-of-21186280.png

You're going to need it.

[Androidpk]

Former Watergate lawyer Michael Conway on Sunday penned an NBC op-ed arguing that the recent GOP effort to impeach Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein could make it easier to impeach President Trump.

The lawmakers quickly walked back the resolution, which did not have enough support in the House, but Conway argued that they set the bar low for what justifies impeachment.

"The resolution lowers the bar in defining what are 'high crimes and misdemeanors' — the ambiguous standard for an impeachable offense," Conway wrote. "Second, it reduces the threshold necessary for the House to commence impeachment proceedings in the first place."

[Tgo01]

Former Watergate lawyer Michael Conway on Sunday penned an NBC op-ed arguing that the recent GOP effort to impeach Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein could make it easier to impeach President Trump.

What an idiot. Stop quoting idiots.

[Methais]

What an idiot. Stop quoting idiots.

But he's an idiot too.

[Tgo01]

But he's an idiot too.

Touche, salesman.

[Methais]

Touche, salesman.

https://i.imgflip.com/2fcoxd.jpg

[cwolff]

During Fox News’s “Outnumbered” on Monday, McDowell said that Mueller is “setting a trap” for the president.

“How in the world could he ever cooperate and sit down with Mueller for an interview knowing that if you tell one lie to Bob Mueller, he will move to file charges?” she said.
Democratic strategist and Fox News contributor Jessica Tarlov responded, saying: “He could not tell a lie, that’s always an option here.”

When telling the truth is a "trap". LOL That's some world class spin right there.

[time4fun]

When telling the truth is a "trap". LOL That's some world class spin right there.

How do these people sleep at night? Jesus.

[time4fun]

So something I missed in the indictments unsealed last month... Remember when Trump got up in front of international media and asked Russia to hack Clinton and find her "missing" emails?

They did. THAT day.

(They attempted to hack her servers that day, specifically)

[Androidpk]

So something I missed in the indictments unsealed last month... Remember when Trump got up in front of international media and asked Russia to hack Clinton and find her "missing" emails?

They did. THAT day.

(They attempted to hack her servers that day, specifically)

Yup, conspiracy in plain sight.

[Parkbandit]

But he's an idiot too.

Don't make him dox you again bro.

He has very powerful sources.

[Tgo01]

So something I missed in the indictments unsealed last month... Remember when Trump got up in front of international media and asked Russia to hack Clinton and find her "missing" emails?

They did. THAT day.

(They attempted to hack her servers that day, specifically)

Here, time4fun, you dropped your mic again prematurely.

Trump asked Russia to find the 30,000 emails Hillary deleted.

The hackers didn't attempt to "hack her servers" that day, in fact the hackers didn't even attempt to hack anyone that day. They used a tactic known as "spear phishing" which isn't even a hack. And before you and the rest of the usual suspects claim I'm in bed with the Russians no, I'm not downplaying their actions here, I'm just correcting your usage of the word "hack."

Some facts for you:

The indictments allege the Russian operatives were targeting Democrats for months prior to this. It's not as if this move was out of the ordinary given this.
The operatives targeted Hillary Clinton campaign officials, NOT Hillary Clinton or her personal server.

So in summary your comment is just about 100% wrong in every possible conceivable way. You got exactly nothing correct in your post.

It's getting kind of tiresome having to correct your misleading posts and otherwise outright lies, time4fun. Think you can stop lying so much now?

[Methais]

Here, time4fun, you dropped your mic again prematurely.

Trump asked Russia to find the 30,000 emails Hillary deleted.

The hackers didn't attempt to "hack her servers" that day, in fact the hackers didn't even attempt to hack anyone that day. They used a tactic known as "spear phishing" which isn't even a hack. And before you and the rest of the usual suspects claim I'm in bed with the Russians no, I'm not downplaying their actions here, I'm just correcting your usage of the word "hack."

Some facts for you:

The indictments allege the Russian operatives were targeting Democrats for months prior to this. It's not as if this move was out of the ordinary given this.
The operatives targeted Hillary Clinton campaign officials, NOT Hillary Clinton or her personal server.

So in summary your comment is just about 100% wrong in every possible conceivable way. You got exactly nothing correct in your post.

It's getting kind of tiresome having to correct your misleading posts and otherwise outright lies, time4fun. Think you can stop lying so much now?

That reminds me of how it will never not be funny that John Podesta's email password was PASSWORD :lol:

[Tgo01]

That reminds me of how it will never not be funny that John Podesta's email password was PASSWORD :lol:

But RUSSIA!

[Methais]

But RUSSIA!

THEY USED SUPER ADVANCED RUSSIAN HACKING TECHNOLOGY BRAHHHH

[Androidpk]

Here, time4fun, you dropped your mic again prematurely.

Trump asked Russia to find the 30,000 emails Hillary deleted.

The hackers didn't attempt to "hack her servers" that day, in fact the hackers didn't even attempt to hack anyone that day. They used a tactic known as "spear phishing" which isn't even a hack. And before you and the rest of the usual suspects claim I'm in bed with the Russians no, I'm not downplaying their actions here, I'm just correcting your usage of the word "hack."

Some facts for you:

The indictments allege the Russian operatives were targeting Democrats for months prior to this. It's not as if this move was out of the ordinary given this.
The operatives targeted Hillary Clinton campaign officials, NOT Hillary Clinton or her personal server.

So in summary your comment is just about 100% wrong in every possible conceivable way. You got exactly nothing correct in your post.

It's getting kind of tiresome having to correct your misleading posts and otherwise outright lies, time4fun. Think you can stop lying so much now?

Yes, Hillary's server was targeted that very day, not just people in her campaign. And spear phishing is very much considered hacking.

[Tgo01]

Yes, Hillary's server was targeted that very day, not just people in her campaign. And spear phishing is very much considered hacking.

https://www.vox.com/2018/7/13/17568806/mueller-russia-intelligence-indictment-full-text

Vox sucks but it was the first site I found where I could do a search of the indictment itself.

Bottom of page 7 and continuing to page 8:

The Conspirators spearphished individuals af?liated with the Clinton Campaign throughout the summer of 2016. For example, on or about July 27, 2016, the Conspirators attempted after hours to spearphish for the ?rst time email accounts at a domain hosted by a third-party provider and used by Clinton?s personal of?ce. At or around the same time, they also targeted seventy-six email addresses at the domain for the Clinton Campaign.

"A domain hosted by a third-party provider and used by Clinton's personal office."

That's not Hillary's personal server. Although to be fair I suppose Hillary could have also had an email account at this domain, but we all know she was using her private server so she could have full control.

And also we're really stretching what "hacking" means if we're considering spear phishing a hack. Especially when we're talking about what people generally think of when they think of a hack. Technically guessing someone's password on the first try would be considered a "hack" but let's get real.

[Androidpk]

Yeah, that's why any of the big hacking conferences like DEFCON have entire talks and workshops on phishing. That's why kali linux and metasploit have numerous phishing hacking tools. GG

[Tgo01]

Yeah, that's why any of the big hacking conferences like DEFCON have entire talks and workshops on phishing. That's why kali linux and metasploit have numerous phishing hacking tools. GG

Well yeah, it's definitely an attempt to gain access to someone's account and it's a computer security issue. But it's far from what we generally consider to be "hacking" someone.

Since I feel bad for you, pk, I'll meet you halfway: you are technically correct that spear phishing is a "hack", but it's not generally what literally the entire world thinks of when they think of someone being hacked.

Let's check the ol' scoreboard:

Tgo01: 1,829,488
Androidpk: 0.5

[Androidpk]

Hackers consider phishing to be hacking, doesn't matter what your ignorant opinion is.

It's getting kind of tiresome having to correct your misleading posts and otherwise outright lies :lol:

[~Rocktar~]

Hackers consider phishing to be hacking, doesn't matter what your ignorant opinion is.

It's getting kind of tiresome having to correct your misleading posts and otherwise outright lies :lol:

So now you are a computer security expert or some shit? Seriously, shut the fuck up.

[Androidpk]

So now you are a computer security expert or some shit? Seriously, shut the fuck up.

I don't consider myself an expert but I do work in the cyber security field and attend such conferences.

[Tgo01]

Hackers consider phishing to be hacking, doesn't matter what your ignorant opinion is.

It's getting kind of tiresome having to correct your misleading posts and otherwise outright lies :lol:

Look what happens when I try to be nice to the moron.

Since you seem to think DEFCON has the final say in what is an is not a "hack" let's go right to the source:

https://media.defcon.org/DEF%20CON%2024/DEF%20CON%2024%20presentations/DEFCON-24-Seymour-Tully-Weaponizing-Data-Science-For-Social-Engineering.pdf

Here they list Phishing under: "Phishing, social network exploits or other forms of social engineering."

https://media.defcon.org/DEF%20CON%2024/DEF%20CON%2024%20presentations/DEFCON-24-Seymour-Tully-Weaponizing-Data-Science-For-Social-Engineering-WP.pdf

Here they also list Phishing as "social engineering":


Social engineering, particularly phishing, is one of the oldest yet still most effective weapons for exploitation.

https://www.defcon.org/html/defcon-24/dc-24-speakers.html

Another link where they refer to it as "social engineering."

Looks like we're gonna have to update the scoreboard:

Tgo01: 1,829,488
Androidpk: -0.5

I had to take a full point away for how badly you've embarrassed yourself these past few posts.

[Androidpk]

You've gone full retard, tgo. Social engineering is a huge subset of hacking. Please stop embarrassing yourself.

[Tgo01]

You've gone full retard, tgo. Social engineering is a huge subset of hacking. Please stop embarrassing yourself.

I already said technically phishing is hacking but it's not generally a hack one thinks of when we are talking about a server being "hacked."

Come on, pk, just stop while you're behind already. Gonna have to drop you down to -1.5 points now.

Oh wait, almost forgot you "corrected" me that Hillary's server was hacked then got awfully quiet when I showed you the indictment itself showing you were wrong. No wonder you are clinging to this minor victory so hard. Gonna have to drop you down to -1,389,482 points for that one.

I wonder if pk is claiming to be some sort of hacking wiz so we'll all think this is how he's getting his information on Methais and Parkbandit.

Androidpk: from bum living on friend's couch to super hacker in a matter of 3 years!

[Androidpk]

Fine, keep embarrassing yourself.

[Tisket]

Says the guy who's been using Tisket's gif for years now? Hmm..

Don't you know that every time someone mentions that, he adds six months to the time he's keeping it hostage?!

Don't mention it, don't even make eye contact!

[Parkbandit]

I don't consider myself an expert but I do work in the cyber security field and attend such conferences.

From Goodwill to being the next Woodward AND Bernstein and now onto attending cyber security conferences.

Your life is amazing on the Internet.. no wonder you never leave the house.

[time4fun]

You've gone full retard, tgo. Social engineering is a huge subset of hacking. Please stop embarrassing yourself.

He can't help it. It's his way.

[time4fun]

So now you are a computer security expert or some shit? Seriously, shut the fuck up.

Is there ANYTHING you actually understand? I've never met someone who was so consistently wrong every time they weigh in on anything.

PK is 100% correct. And if you had an ounce of sense, you would know that.

[~Rocktar~]

Is there ANYTHING you actually understand? I've never met someone who was so consistently wrong every time they weigh in on anything.

PK is 100% correct. And if you had an ounce of sense, you would know that.

Ok time4stupid let's make this clear enough so that you can understand it which will be hard so I will use small words.

I did not dispute his assertions. I did not call him wrong. I did not argue his point or the topic. I held no position on the base argument.

I did question his "expertise" since it appears out of practically nowhere. I did say to him to shut the fuck up. I tend to tell him to shut the fuck up out of habit.

The only place I am so deeply wrong is in your fevered little pea brain. You made a wrong assumption. You then make a bad assertion. And then you want to argue a point that I did not make.

The only person lacking sense here is you.

Was that small enough words and simple enough sentences for you to understand?

Now please shut the fuck up.

[RichardCranium]

You forgot to drop the mic.

[Androidpk]

It doesn't take an expert to know that phishing is hacking..

[time4fun]

Ok time4stupid let's make this clear enough so that you can understand it which will be hard so I will use small words.

I did not dispute his assertions. I did not call him wrong. I did not argue his point or the topic. I held no position on the base argument.

I did question his "expertise" since it appears out of practically nowhere. I did say to him to shut the fuck up. I tend to tell him to shut the fuck up out of habit.

The only place I am so deeply wrong is in your fevered little pea brain. You made a wrong assumption. You then make a bad assertion. And then you want to argue a point that I did not make.

The only person lacking sense here is you.

Was that small enough words and simple enough sentences for you to understand?

Now please shut the fuck up.

My dear, I highly encourage you to use as many big words in front of me as possible. As you are so often in need of correction- it's best that you get that from me here instead of in front of, say, your employer. Consider it my little favor to you.

And if you weren't disagreeing with his assertions- then you were basically just spouting empty words. And you were immediately corrected by PK and then called out by me. And yet, you still haven't managed to admit that you were wrong to do so. (Shock)

As for you only being wrong in my brain....that's hilarious. Shall we do some recent greatest hits?

1) "Voter ID Laws just require you to have an ID to vote"- paraphrased, but that was your sentiment. Incorrect, of course, as the Voter ID laws in question largely restricted the number of acceptable IDs, closed polling locations, eliminated same-day voter registration, and- in a few cases- eliminated Sunday voting (to target souls to the polls)

2) Only "liberal judges" think Voter ID laws are racist. Incorrect- the 5th Circuit is arguably the most conservative Appellate Court in the country. But, of course, you actually had no idea which Circuits or Judges have weighed in on Voter ID laws.

3) "CNN is a fake news site"- you quoted an ACTUAL fake news site to prove this LOL

4) "There's this great new study proving that voter fraud is significant!"- you quoted a study that's been trashed by every reputable school or think tank who has looked at it. I'm going to go out on a limb and say you actually have no idea what the research methodology was behind the study. Because, of course you don't.

5) "Prager U is a more reputable source than Princeton"- really was one of your gems. I believe you said "better than my sources" right after I quoted a Princeton study.

6) "This Brookings paper shows that the tax law has been good for inflation!"- Not only is Brookings a liberal think tank, but the paper you quoted argued that *exact* opposite

7) "Clinton was caught destroying evidence to keep out of trouble"- you used this one a few times despite repeated fact checks. The FBI actually clearly stated there was literally no evidence of that. You brought up Bleachbit at one point, and if you had any ability to do your own original thinking or research you'd have known that Bleachbit was used by the IT professional she hired to cover HIS tracks after he forgot to do his job.

And those are just a few of your charming gems.

You are, without a doubt, the least informed person on this forum. You were so ragingly stupid that you keep going back to the same garbage sources again and again even after repeatedly finding out that what they've been telling you is wrong.

So rage on little boy. But don't confuse me with you.

[time4fun]

Oh, and sorry:

*mic drop*