Russia Investigation Heating Up

[Androidpk]

I know. It's funny- I was VERY against FISA when it was originally passed and still have serious reservations about it. But the Carter Page situation has made me realize that there really are situations where this is necessary.

Republicans are currently attacking our Intelligence agencies to defend a Russian spy and the President who put him on his campaign (and he's not even the only Russian collaborator who was placed on the campaign). They're willing to leave us open to attack by foreign nations- to encourage those attacks- and for what?

It's difficult to overstate how abjectly insane this all is. This was something that was inconceivable up until a year and a half ago. And anyone who doesn't recognize the danger in this is a fool.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/22/world/middleeast/israel-jewish-state-nationality-law.html?smtyp=cur&smid=tw-nytimesworld

[Parkbandit]

watching you become more and more unhinged is making my day :popcorn:

It's like you take all the criticisms we levy at you and recycle them.

Unfortunately, it doesn't hold up.

I'm not surprised you can't think of new things.. given that it would take some effort.

Bankrupt is your middle name.

[Tgo01]

I honestly don't think I've ever seen someone as pathetic as pk before in my entire life. It's kind of sad. cwolff may be a raging racist bordering on domestic terrorist, but at least he seems to have his personal life together.

[Androidpk]

cwolff may be a raging racist bordering on domestic terrorist

a neo nazi says what?

[Astray]

a neo nazi says what?

Wh- OH OOOOOOOOH, you almost pranked me, bro!

[Androidpk]

Wh- OH OOOOOOOOH, you almost pranked me, bro!

I said neo nazi, not Antifa scalp collector.

[Astray]

Yo is that a shot at my heritage? I thought we was friends.

[Androidpk]

:lol:

[Parkbandit]

I honestly don't think I've ever seen someone as pathetic as pk before in my entire life. It's kind of sad. cwolff may be a raging racist bordering on domestic terrorist, but at least he seems to have his personal life together.

I've stopped feeling sorry for pk.. there comes a point when it's not circumstances or bad luck.. it's the person just being a pathetic piece of shit.

[Androidpk]

I've stopped feeling sorry for pk.. there comes a point when it's not circumstances or bad luck.. it's the person just being a pathetic piece of shit.

No one cares what you think, pedo.

[drauz]

When are you two gonna bang and make up?

[Parkbandit]

No one cares what you think, pedo.


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[Androidpk]

When are you two gonna bang and make up?

oh I'm far too old for pedobandit, he likes them before they come of age

[Parkbandit]

oh I'm far too pathetic for Parkbandit. He has no patience with pieces of shit like me.

Very true.

[time4fun]

I've stopped feeling sorry for pk.. there comes a point when it's not circumstances or bad luck.. it's the person just being a pathetic piece of shit.

LOL at PB feeling sorry for other people.

Now you know how the rest of PC feels about you.

[Neveragain]

LOL at PB feeling sorry for other people.

Now you know how the rest of PC feels about you.

So, still no collusion?

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[Ashliana]

I'll attempt to dumb this down for you as far as I can, without resorting to using crayons and pictures.

Whitman was anti-Trump in 2016.

Whitman is anti-Trump in 2018.

It's not something new.

I'll attempt to dumb this down for you as far as I can, without resorting to using crayons and pictures.

The fact that somebody, unlike you, was wise enough to see that Trump was a dumpster fire, and continues to have that opinion, in no way magically erases their criticisms or whether or not they're a conservative.

"ERMIGHERD IT'S A NEVERTRUMPER" is not a magic shield that gives you a "get out of thinking free" card. That's something Trump apologists say to comfort each other, since you can't deal with the dissonance of conservatives calling you out for blindly supporting an orange lunatic manchild.

[Parkbandit]

I'll attempt to dumb this down for you as far as I can, without resorting to using crayons and pictures.

The fact that somebody, unlike you, was wise enough to see that Trump was a dumpster fire, and continues to have that opinion, in no way magically erases their criticisms or whether or not they're a conservative.

"ERMIGHERD IT'S A NEVERTRUMPER" is not a magic shield that gives you a "get out of thinking free" card. That's something Trump apologists say to comfort each other, since you can't deal with the dissonance of conservatives calling you out for blindly supporting an orange lunatic manchild.

Translation: "You use crayons to help me? I no understand."

I'm shocked. Really.

[Parkbandit]

LOL at PB feeling sorry for other people.

Now you know how the rest of PC feels about you.

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[Methais]

Is this true, cwolff? You read "family trade" and automatically assumed Neveragain was the "beneficiary" of a "multi-generational family business" and is now a spoiled rich kid?

I knew your TDS was making you say the most vile and racist shit possible, but I didn't think it was making you a complete retard too.

In cwolff's defense, he was already a complete retard before Trump. He just put it into overdrive after Election Day.

[Methais]

I jerk off in my own mouth regularly.

you sick fuck, seek help before someone reports you to diethx

[Methais]

I know. It's funny- I was VERY against FISA when it was originally passed and still have serious reservations about it. But since I agree with this one because I'm so butthurt about Trump, this is necessary.

Fixed.

[Methais]

a neo nazi says what?

A neo nazi says, "And feel free to get me banned, not going to stop my lawyer from sending Kranar a subpoena for IP information on a couple of people."

Stop being a neo nazi.

Resist white supremacy.

[Methais]

LOL at PB feeling sorry for other people.

Now you know how the rest of PC feels about you.

And by "the rest of the PC" I mean me, pk, cwolff, and Ashliana.

Fixed.

[Ashliana]

Translation: "You use crayons to help me? I no understand."

I'm shocked. Really.

Translation: https://media.giphy.com/media/2UvBxQyIOqjlZM1T5Y/giphy.gif

[Parkbandit]

Translation: https://media.giphy.com/media/2UvBxQyIOqjlZM1T5Y/giphy.gif

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[Amerek]

Guaranteed nothing burger. Years of democrat manufactured outrage have inoculated Trump against anything and everything.

[Ashliana]

https://zippy.gfycat.com/WellwornAntiqueBeauceron.gif

https://i.imgur.com/49KsjVg.png

[Neveragain]

I'll attempt to dumb this down for you as far as I can, without resorting to using crayons and pictures.

The fact that somebody, unlike you, was wise enough to see that Trump was a dumpster fire, and continues to have that opinion, in no way magically erases their criticisms or whether or not they're a conservative.

"ERMIGHERD IT'S A NEVERTRUMPER" is not a magic shield that gives you a "get out of thinking free" card. That's something Trump apologists say to comfort each other, since you can't deal with the dissonance of conservatives calling you out for blindly supporting an orange lunatic manchild.

What dumpster fire do you speak of? The low unemployment rate? The 4% growth? The climbing stock market?

The only dumpster fire is the Democrat party.

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[Parkbandit]

Guaranteed nothing burger. Years of democrat manufactured outrage have inoculated Trump against anything and everything.

Yup.

This is what happens when you cry wolf 1000 times in 2 years.

[Parkbandit]

https://i.imgur.com/49KsjVg.png

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[Methais]

Yup.

This is what happens when you cry soywolff 1000 times in 2 years.

Fixed

[Ashliana]

What dumpster fire do you speak of? The low unemployment rate? The 4% growth? The climbing stock market?

The only dumpster fire is the Democrat party.

Ah, yes, the economy that was recovering under a Democratic presidency (after the last crash under a Republican) -- which Trump has had very little to do with -- and who routinely called the economic data "fake news" until he came into office, and suddenly credited himself with it.

And beeteedubs, the stock market is at the same level it was 7 months ago. Why isn't it higher? Oh. Because of the dumpster fire you elected. You'd know that, too -- if you actually followed the stock market, or the impact Trump's retarded trade wars and saber-rattling have caused.

On planet Earth, people who actually care about American interests and policy see the damage Trump's done to our relationships with all our allies and trading partners. Worst of all, for absolutely zero gain -- the damage wasn't even a trade-off in exchange for something better. Simply pandering to totally clueless, willfully ignorant bumpkins like yourself.


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It's very apropos that you identify with an ancient, shriveled up hobbit.

[Neveragain]

Ah, yes, the economy that was recovering under a Democratic presidency (after the last crash under a Republican) -- which Trump has had very little to do with -- and who routinely called the economic data "fake news" until he came into office, and suddenly credited himself with it.

So 9/11 was Clintons fault?

P.S. There's only 2 genders, pick one.

https://zippy.gfycat.com/WellwornAntiqueBeauceron.gif

[Methais]

Ashliana's seriously trying to credit Obama for the economy that just happened to go straight up immediately after the news hit that Trump won the election, after going almost nowhere for 8 years under Obama?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzaMs5iaX7w

[Parkbandit]

It's very apropos that you identify with an ancient, shriveled up hobbit.

So, you don't understand gifs? Or is this just another stupid forum rule you've created in your head?

If you still want to hold onto this retarded logic.. because you always try... then it must also be true that you self identify as T-Rex President Trump....

https://media.giphy.com/media/2UvBxQyIOqjlZM1T5Y/giphy.gif

You keep this up.. you're going to finally get that title shot!

[Parkbandit]

Ah, yes, the economy that was recovering under a Democratic presidency (after the last crash under a Republican) -- which Trump has had very little to do with -- and who routinely called the economic data "fake news" until he came into office, and suddenly credited himself with it.

And beeteedubs, the stock market is at the same level it was 7 months ago. Why isn't it higher? Oh. Because of the dumpster fire you elected. You'd know that, too -- if you actually followed the stock market, or the impact Trump's retarded trade wars and saber-rattling have caused.

On planet Earth, people who actually care about American interests and policy see the damage Trump's done to our relationships with all our allies and trading partners. Worst of all, for absolutely zero gain -- the damage wasn't even a trade-off in exchange for something better. Simply pandering to totally clueless, willfully ignorant bumpkins like yourself.


LOL at your retarded spin.

Also: To be perfectly honest, the Trump Presidency was brought to you by the Democrat Party. Had you nominated just about anyone else, he might not have won.

So.. thanks It! YOU GAVE US TRUMP!!!

[Ashliana]

Ashliana's seriously trying to credit Obama for the economy that just happened to go straight up immediately after the news hit that Trump won the election, after going almost nowhere for 8 years under Obama?



I realize you're accustomed to living in fantasy-based conservaland -- which is only loosely based on planet Earth -- but this is a real whopper. By what means are you gauging the economy? The stock market? GDP growth? Unemployment rate?

The DJIA was 7,949.09 when Obama took office. When he left office, it was 19,827. Unemployment during Obama's first year, at the height of the recession, reached 10%, and was down to pre-recession levels of 4.7% when he left office, and more than halved the deficit. Trump's done the opposite, proving yet again that "fiscal responsibility" has absolutely nothing to do with Republicans.

Making shit up, or using your fee-fees as a source doesn't constitute an argument.


So, you don't understand gifs? Or is this just another stupid forum rule you've created in your head?

If you still want to hold onto this retarded logic.. because you always try... then it must also be true that you self identify as T-Rex President Trump....

https://media.giphy.com/media/2UvBxQyIOqjlZM1T5Y/giphy.gif

You keep this up.. you're going to finally get that title shot!

Translation, Parkbandit today:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h27AcB70Mvc


LOL at your retarded spin.

Also: To be perfectly honest, the Trump Presidency was brought to you by the Democrat Party. Had you nominated just about anyone else, he might not have won.

So.. thanks It! YOU GAVE US TRUMP!!!

In so close an election, basically any factor could've thrown it. Sure, nominating someone else could've done the job (I voted for Bernie's nomination), but then again, conspiring with a foreign adversary privately and publicly probably also did the trick. Too bad only one of us cares about it. Guess you'll just have to watch as those convictions keep coming in. :)

[Gelston]

Just checking, there any collusion yet?

[Taernath]

Just checking, there any collusion yet?

Your mom colluded with my balls.

[Gelston]

Your mom colluded with my balls.

So, no then.

[Parkbandit]

Translation, Parkbandit today:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h27AcB70Mvc

So.. you self identify with Drax? Or does it only include pictures.. not gifs or videos? You should write down all these retarded rules so you don't get yourself confused even more than normal.

You really deserve a title shot after this level of stupidity. You know I'm rooting for you.


In so close an election, basically any factor could've thrown it. Sure, nominating someone else could've done the job (I voted for Bernie's nomination), but then again, conspiring with a foreign adversary privately and publicly probably also did the trick. Too bad only one of us cares about it. Guess you'll just have to watch as those convictions keep coming in. :)

Too bad only one of us is still upset by the election results.

I got EXACTLY what I wanted from that election: 2 SCOTUS appointments and a lifetime of tears, drama and entertainment.

I couldn't be happier.

[cwolff]

Fox News legal analyst Andrew Napolitano said Thursday that special counsel Robert Mueller

knows President Trump's tweets are a "treasure trove" for his probe into whether the president obstructed justice.
“Mueller knows that those tweets are a treasure trove and a window into Trump’s thinking,” Napolitano said on Fox News's "Outnumbered."

Napalitano added that if any of Trump's tweets are interpreted as containing threats or rewards, then it could be viewed as witness tampering.
“Did the president send messages to people of threats, or rewards, via his tweets? People who he knew or expected would be interviewed by Bob Mueller?” Napolitano said. “And if he did, was he engaging in witness tampering?"


Good to know.

Then there's this guy. First heard this guys name yesterday on the tapes. Looks like he'll be a household name now.



Allen Weisselberg, a longtime financial gatekeeper for President Donald Trump, has been subpoenaed to testify before a federal grand jury in the criminal probe of Mr. Trump’s former personal lawyer, Michael Cohen, according to people familiar with the investigation.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-organization-finance-chief-called-to-testify-before-federal-grand-jury-1532622947

[time4fun]

Cohen is reportedly confirming (https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/26/politics/michael-cohen-donald-trump-june-2016-meeting-knowledge/index.html) that Trump both knew about the Trump Tower meeting with Russia (duh) but also approved it (double duh):


Michael Cohen, President Donald Trump's former personal attorney, claims that then-candidate Trump knew in advance about the June 2016 meeting in Trump Tower in which Russians were expected to offer his campaign dirt on Hillary Clinton, sources with knowledge tell CNN. Cohen is willing to make that assertion to special counsel Robert Mueller, the sources said.

Cohen's claim would contradict repeated denials by Trump, Donald Trump Jr., their lawyers and other administration officials who have said that the President knew nothing about the Trump Tower meeting until he was approached about it by The New York Times in July 2017.
Cohen alleges that he was present, along with several others, when Trump was informed of the Russians' offer by Trump Jr. By Cohen's account, Trump approved going ahead with the meeting with the Russians, according to sources.

It appears this information was leaked by the Trump camp.

So, I assume we've now officially moved from "There was no collusion!" to "Okay so there was, so what?"

[Androidpk]

Cohen is reportedly confirming (https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/26/politics/michael-cohen-donald-trump-june-2016-meeting-knowledge/index.html) that Trump both knew about the Trump Tower meeting with Russia (duh) but also approved it (double duh):



It appears this information was leaked by the Trump camp.

So, I assume we've now officially moved from "There was no collusion!" to "Okay so there was, so what?"

Beat me to it!

Cohen's biggest bomb yet.

Wonder how Ghouliani is going to spin this one..

[SHAFT]

Beat me to it!

Cohen's biggest bomb yet.

Wonder how Ghouliani is going to spin this one..

Let’s be real; this cohen thing is only credible if he has a tape or he’s going to tell mueller/sdny attorneys office who else was there and then they talk.

I do believe Cohen has lots of tapes, though. Word on the streets is 100+.

[drauz]

https://slate.com/technology/2018/07/the-internet-isnt-why-trump-won-stanford-and-brown-study-finds.html

Interesting article by a left leaning publication.

[Androidpk]

Let’s be real; this cohen thing is only credible if he has a tape or he’s going to tell mueller/sdny attorneys office who else was there and then they talk.

I do believe Cohen has lots of tapes, though. Word on the streets is 100+.

Yeah no doubt, I'd be cautious about trusting his word as well. But if his testimony matches up with the testimony of others who are cooperating then it doesn't bode well for team Trump.

[cwolff]

Yeah no doubt, I'd be cautious about trusting his word as well. But if his testimony matches up with the testimony of others who are cooperating then it doesn't bode well for team Trump.

Does Cohen have to invent something to swing a plea deal or immunity? I'd say he has enough to get that already, without risking perjury. He'll be a witness so he is evidence of illegality in the collusion we already knew about.

[Androidpk]

Love it


https://slate.com/technology/2018/07/the-internet-isnt-why-trump-won-stanford-and-brown-study-finds.htmlhttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/DjE0qxOXoAEkrYS.jpg



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DjE06v8XsAA-QgB.jpg

[time4fun]

Yeah no doubt, I'd be cautious about trusting his word as well. But if his testimony matches up with the testimony of others who are cooperating then it doesn't bode well for team Trump.

Let's be honest here- it's inconceivable that Trump wasnt aware and didn't approve the meeting. This is hardly a risky thing to buy into.

Also, it appears the Trump camp leaked this, not Cohen.

[cwolff]

Let's be honest here- it's inconceivable that Trump wasnt aware and didn't approve the meeting. This is hardly a risky thing to buy into.

Also, it appears the Trump camp leaked this, not Cohen.

Why would they leak this?

[Astray]

Why would they leak this?

If she says ethics, I get another stamp and it's free burger for me.

[Androidpk]

Let's be honest here- it's inconceivable that Trump wasnt aware and didn't approve the meeting. This is hardly a risky thing to buy into.

Also, it appears the Trump camp leaked this, not Cohen.

Oh no doubt. He knew about it in advance and as soon as the meeting concluded he was phoned by Trump Jr. Trump knew the Russians hacked the DNC servers and then he goes on and tells Russia to hack Hillary's emails. It's all very damning.

[Androidpk]

If she says ethics, I get another stamp and it's free burger for me.

There's not enough room on your back for another tramp stamp.

[Astray]

There's not enough room on your back for another tramp stamp.

You just want one on your back but your PI is too busy tracking down IPs.

[drauz]

There's not enough room on your back for another tramp stamp.

stop slut shaming him

[Astray]

stop slut shaming him

Yeah, you fucking gay!

[Androidpk]

Why would they leak this?

Because Trump is incapable of getting competent lawyers.

[Androidpk]

“The chance that Don Jr did not walk these jumos up to his father’s office on the twenty-sixth floor is zero.”

—Steve Bannon

[time4fun]

Why would they leak this?

In hopes it makes it harder for Cohen to cut a deal with Mueller

[Androidpk]

In hopes it makes it harder for Cohen to cut a deal with Mueller


https://media.giphy.com/media/65os7odbIW6pa/giphy.gif

[time4fun]

https://media.giphy.com/media/65os7odbIW6pa/giphy.gif

Yeah it is, but if they knew this information was going to come to light eventually then the risk is actually low. Cohen only gets a deal if he has new, useful information to offer.

Putting this out in the public domain robs Cohen of a major chip in this game.

[SHAFT]

Trump’s new mantra should be: “No conspiracy”!

[Androidpk]

A little weird for this to be leaking late at night. Tomorrow is gonna be an F5 Friday.

[time4fun]

It definitely makes you wonder what story they're trying to distract from

[Androidpk]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DjEzwZUVsAA6c9G?format=jpg

[SHAFT]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DjEzwZUVsAA6c9G?format=jpg

Don’t look down!

[cwolff]

On Fox News, Andy McCarthy reacts to the Trump Tower meeting news by saying it's okay "for campaigns to turn to foreign governments for dirt" https://t.co/6AniuWL4O2

Here comes the spin. They have to get the mesaage out to the faithful.

[Androidpk]

Here comes the spin. They have to get the mesaage out to the faithful.

52 USC 30121 says otherwise ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Lying about the meeting and producing a falsified document to try and cover up the crime doesn't help Trump's cause either.

They're fucked.

:popcorn:

[Androidpk]

As Collusion Evidence Emerges, Obstruction Allegations Begin To Look More Damaging

https://www.justsecurity.org/42992/collusion-evidence-emerges-obstruction-allegations-damaging/

[time4fun]

It's pretty astounding to think of the millions of people watching Fox News and nodding- "Yeah, it IS okay to work with our greatest geopolitical enemy to throw our election in the direction they want in exchange for lifting sanctions we imposed for their election meddling and illegal annexation of another country. And if you lie about what you did and try to convince the country that said enemy didn't interfere in our elections at all- paving the way for them to do it again, so what? At least we're not one of those unpatriotic liberals!"

That's...literally what's happening right now. And these people are patting themselves on the backs and calling themselves great, patriotic Americans.

[Tgo01]

It's pretty astounding to think of the millions of people watching Fox News and nodding- "Yeah, it IS okay to work with our greatest geopolitical enemy to throw our election in the direction they want in exchange for lifting sanctions we imposed for their election meddling and illegal annexation of another country.

I must have missed the news. Which sanctions has Trump lifted from Russia again?

[Androidpk]

It's pretty astounding to think of the millions of people watching Fox News and nodding- "Yeah, it IS okay to work with our greatest geopolitical enemy to throw our election in the direction they want in exchange for lifting sanctions we imposed for their election meddling and illegal annexation of another country. And if you lie about what you did and try to convince the country that said enemy didn't interfere in our elections at all- paving the way for them to do it again, so what? At least we're not one of those unpatriotic liberals!"

That's...literally what's happening right now. And these people are patting themselves on the backs and calling themselves great, patriotic Americans.

All the while frothing at the mouth over NFL athletes kneeling during the anthem..

[Wrathbringer]

All the while frothing at the mouth over NFL athletes kneeling during the anthem..

Get a life.

[Androidpk]

Get a life.

dance puppet!

[time4fun]

All the while frothing at the mouth over NFL athletes kneeling during the anthem..

Which isn't racist at all.

[time4fun]

Get a life.

Get a conscience

[ClydeR]

There is some complicated stuff going on here. At the end of last week, the Trump team waived privilege about a tape recording of a conversation between Cohen and Trump about paying off a Playboy model. Then somebody leaked the actual tape, which the Trump team condemned. And then at the end of this week somebody leaked that Cohen was present when Trump was informed in advance of Trump Jr.'s Russia meeting. Cohen's lawyer denies that the leak came from Cohen's side and suggests that Trump's team may have leaked it preemptively. This morning Trump surprised everybody by tweeting that he had no knowledge of the meeting. Is this chess or checkers? Or is there some third, smarter person orchestrating these leaks for purposes that the rest of us are too dumb to understand?





https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DjHEBQzUwAEbQwj.jpg

[drauz]

Which isn't racist at all.

To the vast majority it isn't... Just because it's a black person that people disagree with doesn't make is racist. Are some of them racist? Sure, but you don't get to paint everyone with that brush.

[Androidpk]

There is some complicated stuff going on here. At the end of last week, the Trump team waived privilege about a tape recording of a conversation between Cohen and Trump about paying off a Playboy model. Then somebody leaked the actual tape, which the Trump team condemned. And then at the end of this week somebody leaked that Cohen was present when Trump was informed in advance of Trump Jr.'s Russia meeting. Cohen's lawyer denies that the leak came from Cohen's side and suggests that Trump's team may have leaked it preemptively. This morning Trump surprised everybody by tweeting that he had no knowledge of the meeting. Is this chess or checkers? Or is there some third, smarter person orchestrating these leaks for purposes that the rest of us are too dumb to understand?





https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DjHEBQzUwAEbQwj.jpg


I almost feel bad for Trump's lawyers.

[Androidpk]

To the vast majority it isn't...

I disagree.

[drauz]

I disagree.

You are certainly entitled to be wrong.

[Androidpk]

You are certainly entitled to be wrong.

Likewise

[Wrathbringer]

Get a conscience

Get a brain

[time4fun]

To the vast majority it isn't... Just because it's a black person that people disagree with doesn't make is racist. Are some of them racist? Sure, but you don't get to paint everyone with that brush.

So the same group of people that cheered Bundy and his white friends taking over government buildings now looks at a group of black men and is incensed that they aren't being respectful to their white-incredibly racist- President.

But yeah, nothing racial going on here.

The whole "show some respect boy" narrative has been going on for a long time. And it's not about a point of disagreement over civics.

[drauz]

So the same group of people that cheered Bundy and his white friends taking over government buildings now looks at a group of black men and is incensed that they aren't being respectful to their white-incredibly racist- President.

But yeah, nothing racial going on here.

The whole "show some respect boy" narrative has been going on for a long time. And it's not about a point of disagreement over civics.

Well, I can see you have racism on the brain so there's no talking you out of it. I'll just say that I disagree that the majority of people were motivated by race.

[Astray]

Well, I can see you have racism on the brain so there's no talking you out of it. I'll just say that I disagree that the majority of people were motivated by race.

Maybe if you were talking about coffee.


I see you like your coffee like I like my Presidents.

[Gelston]

So the same group of people that cheered Bundy and his white friends taking over government buildings now looks at a group of black men and is incensed that they aren't being respectful to their white-incredibly racist- President.

But yeah, nothing racial going on here.

The whole "show some respect boy" narrative has been going on for a long time. And it's not about a point of disagreement over civics.

Did you know not everyone cheered for that? Did you know there are people who dislike both things? Shocking, I know.

[Tgo01]

So the same group of people that cheered Bundy and his white friends taking over government buildings now looks at a group of black men and is incensed that they aren't being respectful to their white-incredibly racist- President.

Who the hell was cheering on Bundy taking over a federal building? I sure as hell wasn't so your comment is already false. Try again.

[Methais]

You just want one on your back but your PI is too busy tracking down IPs.

https://i.imgur.com/oZyDxbp.png

[Methais]

It's pretty astounding to think of the millions of people watching Fox News and nodding- "Yeah, it IS okay to work with our greatest geopolitical enemy to throw our election in the direction they want in exchange for lifting sanctions we imposed for their election meddling and illegal annexation of another country. And if you lie about what you did and try to convince the country that said enemy didn't interfere in our elections at all- paving the way for them to do it again, so what? At least we're not one of those unpatriotic liberals!"

That's...literally what's happening right now. And these people are patting themselves on the backs and calling themselves great, patriotic Americans.

http://jamestharris.com/media/k2/items/cache/5a61d31ed794cb758475f6c89477dfed_XL.jpg

[Gelston]

Who the hell was cheering on Bundy taking over a federal building? I sure as hell wasn't so your comment is already false. Try again.

I'm sure there are people who are pissed about one thing but cheer for the other thing. Hypocrites aren't exclusive to either political lean. She has all but admitted to being racist though.

[Methais]

Which isn't racist at all.

You're right, it isn't.

Here's something that is though:


Oh hi. Can I get some dark coffee?


I see you like your coffee like I like my Presidents.

[Tgo01]

I'm sure there are people who are pissed about one thing but cheer for the other thing. Hypocrites aren't exclusive to either political lean. She has all but admitted to being racist though.

Yeah I'm sure there are some people out there who cheered on Bundy, but I don't recall any prominent names nor was it any big wave of people or something. Didn't it turn out like 20 people in the building were actually FBI informants and it was just like 3 or 4 people who were the actual law breakers?

From what I recall at the time almost everyone thought they were idiots or just didn't care one way or the other until people started saying shit like "If they were Muslim then they would have already been labeled terrorists and shot!" and people called bullshit on that narrative.

[Methais]

So the same group of people that cheered Bundy and his white friends taking over government buildings now looks at a group of black men and is incensed that they aren't being respectful to their white-incredibly racist- President.

But yeah, nothing racial going on here.

The whole "show some respect boy" narrative has been going on for a long time. And it's not about a point of disagreement over civics.

Calling someone "boy" isn't a racist-against-black-people thing like you so badly wish it was, sorry. White people use it just as much, at least in the south, regardless of the race of the person they're talking to.

Kratos must be racist too according to your logic. I guess everything is racist when you see skin color before literally everything else in any situation like you do.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n12Q2Pj9ESg

[Gelston]

Yeah I'm sure there are some people out there who cheered on Bundy, but I don't recall any prominent names nor was it any big wave of people or something. Didn't it turn out like 20 people in the building were actually FBI informants and it was just like 3 or 4 people who were the actual law breakers?

From what I recall at the time almost everyone thought they were idiots or just didn't care one way or the other until people started saying shit like "If they were Muslim then they would have already been labeled terrorists and shot!" and people called bullshit on that narrative.

I didn't follow it a lot. I honestly just thought they were a bunch of those whacko sovereign citizen types that don't respect any law enforcement unless the are elected into office (such as a sheriff).

Funny thing, I also couldn't care less about the kneeling shit. I don't agree with the method of their protest, but I agree that it is their right. I also believe it is the right of their employer to fire them or place other penalties on them for what they do during working hours.

I honestly don't understand why T4Racism linked the two things because they aren't even remotely the same.

[Gelston]

Calling someone "boy" isn't a racist-against-black-people thing like you so badly wish it was, sorry. White people use it just as much, at least in the south, regardless of the race of the person they're talking to.

Kratos must be racist too according to your logic. I guess everything is racist when you see skin color before literally everything else in any situation like you do.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n12Q2Pj9ESg

I've always used it for people under a certain age. Grew up in Louisiana. Never heard of it as specifically being for black people or racist, except in movies about the '50s. There are other words people use if they want to be racist.

[RichardCranium]

I've always used it for people under a certain age. Grew up in Louisiana. Never heard of it as specifically being for black people or racist, except in movies about the '50s. There are other words people use if they want to be racist.

We use son a lot too, and I've heard comments on it from mid-Westerners.

[Gelston]

We use son a lot too, and I've heard comments on it from mid-Westerners.

Aw shit son.

[time4fun]

Well, I can see you have racism on the brain so there's no talking you out of it. I'll just say that I disagree that the majority of people were motivated by race.

Okay- then explain to me how Bundy was a freedom fighter for what he did, and these black NFL players are bad Americans who need to learn to stand when told to stand?

[RichardCranium]

Okay- then explain to me how Bundy was a freedom fighter for what he did, and these black NFL players are bad Americans who need to learn to stand when told to stand?

The fuck...?

[Tgo01]

Okay- then explain to me how Bundy was a freedom fighter for what he did, and these black NFL players are bad Americans who need to learn to stand when told to stand?

Again who said this shit? Some random redneck on Facebook or something?

[Gelston]

Okay- then explain to me how Bundy was a freedom fighter for what he did, and these black NFL players are bad Americans who need to learn to stand when told to stand?

Why would anyone explain this shit to you? No one I've seen on these boards is fucking saying it.

[ClydeR]

Here is something a lot of people have overlooked..

Cohen says that a number of people were present when Trump was notified in advance of the Trump Tower Russia meeting. Cohen does not say who else was present when Trump was informed or when it happened. But Giuliani says no one will corroborate what Cohen says. Giuliani says that he has spoken to everyone in the room with Cohen and Trump when Trump was told or not told about the meeting, and they all remember that Trump was not told about it. Got it?





Cohen alleges he was in the room with a number of others when Donald Trump Jr. informed then-candidate Trump of the planned meeting with a Russian lawyer promising dirt on Hillary Clinton, CNN and NBC News reported Thursday evening, both citing anonymous sources.

More... (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/07/26/michael-cohen-mueller-approved-trump-tower-meeting/846902002/)







GIULIANI: He didn't know about it. I know that. I've been over this in great detail. I've talked to the corroborating witnesses. This guy is walking into a trap. But --

CUOMO: You've talked to the other people that were in the room?

GIULIANI: Of course I did. Months ago. A month ago. Two months ago.

CUOMO: And you know what they say the president was told and not told by his son?

GIULIANI: I know what they say, yes.

CUOMO: All right, fine. Then I accept your word at that. We'll see what you can do to prove it.

GIULIANI: And I know that he's walking into a situation in which there will be no corroboration.

Gosh almighty, why didn't he tape it? He taped everything else. He's got a hundred tapes. Why didn't he tape that?

More... (http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1807/26/CPT.01.html)

[Methais]

Okay- then explain to me how Bundy was a freedom fighter for what he did, and these black NFL players are bad Americans who need to learn to stand when told to stand?

Explain to me how calling someone “boy” is racist.

You will either ignore or deflect because you know you’re full of shit.

[Gelston]

Explain to me how calling someone “boy” is racist.

You will either ignore or deflect because you know you’re full of shit.

She is racist, so she knows what is and isn't racist.

[drauz]

Okay- then explain to me how Bundy was a freedom fighter for what he did, and these black NFL players are bad Americans who need to learn to stand when told to stand?

I never heard the vast majority of people calling him a freedom fighter so you are starting your argument off with a false premise. Were there some, probably. Was it the vast majority? Very doubtful.

[cwolff]

I never heard the vast majority of people calling him a freedom fighter so you are starting your argument off with a false premise. Were there some, probably. Was it the vast majority? Very doubtful.

The support is deep on the libertarian side of the conservative movement. I think what many of us are disgusted by is that the same people who freak out about the anthem, BLM, etc...have been so very silent about the Bundy situation. So much sympathy from the right. The "good people on both sides" bullshit.

[Tgo01]

The support is deep on the libertarian side of the conservative movement. I think what many of us are disgusted by is that the same people who freak out about the anthem, BLM, etc...have been so very silent about the Bundy situation. So much sympathy from the right. The "good people on both sides" bullshit.

"Silent" about the Bundy situation? What more needs to be said? A bunch of morons took over a BLM building for a week or two, they didn't fire a single shot, didn't injure anyone, they all left peacefully except I think one went on a high speed chase with police and was shot and killed? Okay? This was like what 2 years ago? What more needs to be said?

[ClydeR]

https://i.imgur.com/XOx0gDD.png
https://twitter.com/DavidCornDC/status/1022673718470959109



This is where the Cohen story, if true, will ultimately lead.

[Tgo01]

https://i.imgur.com/XOx0gDD.png
https://twitter.com/DavidCornDC/status/1022673718470959109



This is where the Cohen story, if true, will ultimately lead.

Betrayal. Collusion. More buzz words to get people riled up.

[cwolff]

Betrayal. Collusion. More buzz words to get people riled up.

If you were french they'd call you Vichy.

[Astray]

If you were french they'd call you Vichy.

And if you had sex they'd all be so itchy.

[Androidpk]

https://i.imgur.com/XOx0gDD.png
https://twitter.com/DavidCornDC/status/1022673718470959109



This is where the Cohen story, if true, will ultimately lead.


Election Fraud
Wire Fraud
Bribery
Bank Fraud
Computer Crimes (Theft)
Computer Crimes (Espionage)
Extortion
Identity Theft
Obstruction
Hindering Apprehension/Prosecution
Witness Tampering
Perjury
Lying to Congress
Making False Statements
Conspiracy (Attempted)
FARA Nonregistration
RICO
Money Laundering
Tax Evasion

[Astray]

Election Fraud
Wire Fraud
Bribery
Bank Fraud
Computer Crimes (Theft)
Computer Crimes (Espionage)
Extortion
Identity Theft
Obstruction
Hindering Apprehension/Prosecution
Witness Tampering
Perjury
Lying to Congress
Making False Statements
Conspiracy (Attempted)
FARA Nonregistration
RICO
Money Laundering
Tax Evasion

Look, a night in Vegas is pretty rough on some people.

[drauz]

The support is deep on the libertarian side of the conservative movement. I think what many of us are disgusted by is that the same people who freak out about the anthem, BLM, etc...have been so very silent about the Bundy situation. So much sympathy from the right. The "good people on both sides" bullshit.

You aren't making apples to apples comparisons.

[cwolff]

You aren't making apples to apples comparisons.

What would be apples to apples? If they knelt during the anthem at the Bundy ranch? Then would the right be outraged?

[drauz]

What would be apples to apples? If they knelt during the anthem at the Bundy ranch? Then would the right be outraged?

BLM is quiet when a white person is killed by the cops but they are really vocal when a black person is. Does that mean they are racist?

[cwolff]

BLM is quiet when a white person is killed by the cops but they are really vocal when a black person is. Does that mean they are racist?

No. Is that why theres been so much hatred levelled at BLM? Because they didn't stand up for a white guy getting shot by cops?

What's illuminating is that you've all made BLM and protesting police brutality by black people a wedge issue.

[Neveragain]

The support is deep on the libertarian side of the conservative movement. I think what many of us are disgusted by is that the same people who freak out about the anthem, BLM, etc...have been so very silent about the Bundy situation. So much sympathy from the right. The "good people on both sides" bullshit.

The libertarian support for the Bundy's is not so much for the family but rather who ultimately has rights to land. Of course you and I have already gone over this, your argument was that government is a better caretaker of land than private citizens. Then I pointed out that private citizens were using that land to graze cattle and in comparison government has used land to test nuclear weapons. That's when you knew you lost the argument and went silent as usual.

This is you:

How terrible
http://global.alltech.com/sites/default/files/images/news/content/Dairy%20cow%20grazing_cropped_0.jpg

This is how land should be managed
https://i.imgur.com/Jj3W9WN.gif

[drauz]

No. Is that why theres been so much hatred levelled at BLM? Because they didn't stand up for a white guy getting shot by cops?

What's illuminating is that you've all made BLM and protesting police brutality by black people a wedge issue.

No, I am using your own argument against you. Just because an organization supports one thing over another doesn't make it racist. I mean besides obvious racist remarks/organizations.

Here is the thing, I can get behind a police brutality argument. It is when you try to play the racism card that you lose me. I think the police are fast to escalate situations and use force when not reasonably necessary. I just don't think it is because the person is black/brown/whatever.

[Gelston]

No. Is that why theres been so much hatred levelled at BLM? Because they didn't stand up for a white guy getting shot by cops?

What's illuminating is that you've all made BLM and protesting police brutality by black people a wedge issue.

This is called deflecting.

[cwolff]

No, I am using your own argument against you. Just because an organization supports one thing over another doesn't make it racist. I mean besides obvious racist remarks/organizations.

Here is the thing, I can get behind a police brutality argument. It is when you try to play the racism card that you lose me. I think the police are fast to escalate situations and use force when not reasonably necessary. I just don't think it is because the person is black/brown/whatever.

Is it possible that much of the POC community disagree with you and think that the police do target them compared to white people? Because I believe that is what's happening.

[cwolff]

The libertarian support for the Bundy's is not so much for the family but rather who ultimately has rights to land. Of course you and I have already gone over this, your argument was that government is a better caretaker of land than private citizens. Then I pointed out that private citizens were using that land to graze cattle and in comparison government has used land to test nuclear weapons. That's when you knew you lost the argument and went silent as usual.

This is you:

How terrible
http://global.alltech.com/sites/default/files/images/news/content/Dairy%20cow%20grazing_cropped_0.jpg

This is how land should be managed
https://i.imgur.com/Jj3W9WN.gif

You just defeated your own argument by trying to be outrageous with that blanket statement about the government nuking the western states.

[cwolff]

This is called deflecting.

No gelly. I answered his question directly with the word "no" then followed up with questions of my own.

[Gelston]

No gelly. I answered his question directly with the word "no" then followed up with questions of my own.

Why is it no? You didn't want to expound upon that?

[cwolff]

Why is it no? You didn't want to expound upon that?

Why would it be racist? That makes no sense. Its like saying AARP are ageists because they don't lobby for young people. BLM is nothing for white people to be so threatened by.

[Gelston]

Why would it be racist? That makes no sense. Its like saying AARP are ageists because they don't lobby for young people. BLM is nothing for white people to be so threatened by.

You can retire at any age though. And who said anything about being "threatened"? Are you scared of BLM, cwolff?

[cwolff]

You can retire at any age though. And who said anything about being "threatened"? Are you scared of BLM, cwolff?

Ya, you don't have shit to say. You just want to be heard. I'm recognizing that you've not addressed the deflection statement and Ill take that to mean you're admitting you were wrong.

As for the AARP comparison you know the point I'm making but prefer to ignore it because you can't address it. As for me, of course I'm not threatened by BLM. You don't hear that from me here and I'm surprised by how threatened you guys are by it. It makes no sense.

[Gelston]

Ya, you don't have shit to say. You just want to be heard. I'm recognizing that you've not addressed the deflection statement and Ill take that to mean you're admitting you were wrong.

As for the AARP comparison you know the point I'm making but prefer to ignore it because you can't address it. As for me, of course I'm not threatened by BLM. You don't hear that from me here and I'm surprised by how threatened you guys are by it. It makes no sense.

I sure as fuck did. I asked you to expound upon your answer. Just syaing "No" and then immediately going off on something else is deflection. That is exactly what you did.

As for the "point" you're trying to make.... Congratulations, you now get the point everyone else has already made concerning the Bundys and the NFL kneeling thing brought up here.

Also, show me one person here who is "threatened" by BLM. Why do you constantly feel the need to tell people how they feel?

[drauz]

Is it possible that much of the POC community disagree with you and think that the police do target them compared to white people? Because I believe that is what's happening.

Here is a pretty good write up on the why.

https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-black-americans-commit-crime

TL;DR


The verdict
There is evidence in the official police-recorded figures that black Americans are more likely to commit certain types of crime than people of other races.

While it would be naïve to suggest that there is no racism in the US criminal justice system, victim reports don’t support the idea that this is because of mass discrimination.

Higher poverty rates among various urban black communities might explain the difference in crime rates, although the evidence is mixed.

There are few simple answers and links between crime and race are likely to remain the subject of bitter argument.

[Gelston]

Here is a pretty good write up on the why.

https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-black-americans-commit-crime

TL;DR

Area with higher crime rates are likely to have more police in them? Wow.

[drauz]

Is it possible that much of the POC community disagree with you and think that the police do target them compared to white people? Because I believe that is what's happening.

Take a gander at this.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfi3Ndh3n-g

[Neveragain]

You just defeated your own argument by trying to be outrageous with that blanket statement about the government nuking the western states.

Did the US government test multiple nuclear weapons on government land or not?

Or are you just going to pretend that blasting off nukes willy nilly hasn't had a profound impact on our environment but plastic straws are the greatest threat to mankind?


As of 1993, worldwide, 520 atmospheric nuclear explosions (including 8 underwater) have been conducted with a total yield of 545 megaton (Mt): 217 Mt from fission and 328 Mt from fusion, while the estimated number of underground nuclear tests conducted in the period from 1957 to 1992 is 1,352

[cwolff]

I sure as fuck did. I asked you to expound upon your answer. Just syaing "No" and then immediately going off on something else is deflection. That is exactly what you did.

As for the "point" you're trying to make.... Congratulations, you now get the point everyone else has already made concerning the Bundys and the NFL kneeling thing brought up here.

Also, show me one person here who is "threatened" by BLM. Why do you constantly feel the need to tell people how they feel?

No. You're wrong. I answered his question clearly and concisely. That's all there is to it. I don't owe you a paragraph explanation. I don't understand what you're saying about the bundy flag kneeling thing. It seems you think you've made a point but I don't see it.

All you all are threatened by it. The whole right has made it into a talking point. They blast BLM as terrorists. It's fear that's driving this and it's irrational.


Take a gander at this.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfi3Ndh3n-g

I could provide videos and link to refute what you're providing. I'm not going to because it's pointless. I get that it's a complicated issue and you have a valid point about levels of crime causing greater levels of police hostility.


Did the US government test multiple nuclear weapons on government land or not?

Or are you just going to pretend that blasting off nukes willy nilly hasn't had a profound impact on our environment but plastic straws are the greatest threat to mankind?

I wouldn't say we blasted nukes willy nilly. We did test them and develop them. I don't even know the last time we did an atmospheric test in the continental USA and this and plastic straws have nothing to do Bundy's standoff.

[RichardCranium]

Here is a pretty good write up on the why.

https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-black-americans-commit-crime

TL;DR

I've said it on here many, many, many times. It isn't a race issue, it's a class issue concerning police. However the lower class IS disproportionately black and that is a legit problem.

[drauz]

I've said it on here many, many, many times. It isn't a race issue, it's a class issue concerning police. However the lower class IS disproportionately black and that is a legit problem.

100% agree. Crime will always be more prominent in lower economic communities. How we can lift those areas out of poverty is a very worthy topic for debate.

[time4fun]

I've said it on here many, many, many times. It isn't a race issue, it's a class issue concerning police. However the lower class IS disproportionately black and that is a legit problem.

Please cite evidence demonstrating your point. If you are correct, then there should be clear evidence that poor while people are more likely to be killed by police, arrested, get longer sentencing, etc then middle class black people.

We'll wait.

[RichardCranium]

Please cite evidence demonstrating your point. If you are correct, then there should be clear evidence that poor while people are more likely to be killed by police, arrested, get longer sentencing, etc then middle class black people.

We'll wait.

Lol, your racist is showing.

[Neveragain]

Being a black man myself I have to partly disagree. I think what’s happening at the core is a class issue which drives the race issue, that is, being terminally poor and politically and consumer base weak opens you up to racism. Coupled with the natural tendency to prefer one’s own race to varying degrees and the fact that poverty creates incentives for people to commit crime in order to survive and you get this toxic combination that leads to cops nonchalantly shooting blacks in the back.

If you want a solution it’s simple. Education. My brothers and sisters need to realize that they themselves are the only ones who can help themselves and not the government. Government will only try to use you while holding you firmly down so they got that voter base locked down. My personal word of advice, if you are living in some area that’s unsafe and you’re too poor to educate yourself much less feed yourself, join the military. It’ll get you out of there and give you opportunities you wouldn’t believe, sky’s the limit especially if you got a decent head on your shoulders.
/rant

https://media.giphy.com/media/qlwnHTKCPeak0/giphy.gif

[Gelston]

Please cite evidence demonstrating your point. If you are correct, then there should be clear evidence that poor while people are more likely to be killed by police, arrested, get longer sentencing, etc then middle class black people.

We'll wait.

Something interesting I've found, the number of white people killed by police has already surpassed the number of black people killed by police for all of 2017. You act like police only shoot black people, no, it is income based. More black people live in low income areas where crime is likely to occur. Not to mention how many of those shoots(The overwhelming majority) were 100% justified.

[RichardCranium]

Being a black man myself I have to partly disagree. I think what’s happening at the core is a class issue which drives the race issue, that is, being terminally poor and politically and consumer base weak opens you up to racism. Coupled with the natural tendency to prefer one’s own race to varying degrees and the fact that poverty creates incentives for people to commit crime in order to survive and you get this toxic combination that leads to cops nonchalantly shooting blacks in the back.

I agree with this. You made the point much better than I was trying to.

[time4fun]

Lol, your racist is showing.

You mean the part where I expected you to come up with actual evidence for your point? Or the part where I refuse to ackknowledge that race matters so I can pretend racism doesn't exist?

Oh wait, that last one isn't me.

Belief =/= fact.

[RichardCranium]

You mean the part where I expected you to come up with actual evidence for your point? Or the part where I refuse to ackknowledge that race matters so I can pretend racism doesn't exist?

Oh wait, that last one isn't me.

Belief =/= fact.

I'm not sure how I can provide evidence of life experiences. Number two, I NEVER said racism doesn't exist. On the contrary, my original post you quoted said the opposite.

[Gelston]

I'm not sure how I can provide evidence of life experiences. Number two, I NEVER said racism doesn't exist. On the contrary, my original post you quoted said the opposite.

Did you know 95% of police involved shootings have occurred in neighborhoods where family income was 100 grand a year or less?

I think it is funny how she is trying to play off that every cop is racist though. Including the black ones.

[Tgo01]

Please cite evidence demonstrating your point. If you are correct, then there should be clear evidence that poor while people are more likely to be killed by police, arrested, get longer sentencing, etc then middle class black people.

We'll wait.

Where's your source suggesting middle class black people are more likely to be killed by police, arrested, get longer sentencing, etc, than poor white people. Also please make sure said study accounts for crimes committed by both groups of people, likelihood of each group of people being armed or pointing a gun at a police officer, and accounts for if their longer sentence is due to this being their first conviction or if they have prior convictions already.

[Parkbandit]

You mean the part where I expected you to come up with actual evidence for your point? Or the part where I refuse to ackknowledge that race matters so I can pretend racism doesn't exist?

Oh wait, that last one isn't me.

Belief =/= fact.

Who stated that racism doesn't exist?

Can you, for once, not create the most retarded strawman arguments?

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/995/415/b30.jpg

[Methais]

No. Is that why theres been so much hatred levelled at BLM? Because they didn't stand up for a white guy getting shot by cops?

What's illuminating is that you've all made BLM and protesting police brutality by black people a wedge issue.

BLM is ask silent when a black person kills another black person. Black lives only matter to them when a white person is involved.

What’s illuminating is that you’re the exact same way.

[time4fun]

I'm not sure how I can provide evidence of life experiences. Number two, I NEVER said racism doesn't exist. On the contrary, my original post you quoted said the opposite.

No, you just discount the consideration of race when it comes up.

And seriously Richard- you can't think of ANY way to provide evidence of documentable social phenomenon?

This is a subject that has been researched extensively. There's even a progressive think tank study from a few years ago that gives some credence to your argument. (Granted it's superceded by more recent research and is also an outlier in the research)

[Gelston]

No, you just discount the consideration of race when it comes up.

And seriously Richard- you can't think of ANY way to provide evidence of documentable social phenomenon?

This is a subject that has been researched extensively. There's even a progressive think tank study from a few years ago that gives some credence to your argument. (Granted it's superceded by more recent research and is also an outlier in the research)

Are you Cleara?

[Methais]

Being a black man myself I have to partly disagree. I think what’s happening at the core is a class issue which drives the race issue, that is, being terminally poor and politically and consumer base weak opens you up to racism. Coupled with the natural tendency to prefer one’s own race to varying degrees and the fact that poverty creates incentives for people to commit crime in order to survive and you get this toxic combination that leads to cops nonchalantly shooting blacks in the back.

If you want a solution it’s simple. Education. My brothers and sisters need to realize that they themselves are the only ones who can help themselves and not the government. Government will only try to use you while holding you firmly down so they got that voter base locked down. My personal word of advice, if you are living in some area that’s unsafe and you’re too poor to educate yourself much less feed yourself, join the military. It’ll get you out of there and give you opportunities you wouldn’t believe, sky’s the limit especially if you got a decent head on your shoulders.
/rant

time4fun and cwolff think you’re an Uncle Tom now.

[Tgo01]

BLM is ask silent when a black person kills another black person. Black lives only matter to them when a white person is involved.

What’s illuminating is that you’re the exact same way.

cwolff is your typical white liberal. He's not interested at all in actually helping black people, he instead views black people as children that need defending when they do something bad, they need the government to take care of them, they need protecting when someone hurts their little feelings. Anything to keep them voting Democrat just as long as they don't move into the nice white neighborhoods.

[Methais]

You mean the part where I expected you to come up with actual evidence for your point? Or the part where I refuse to ackknowledge that race matters so I can pretend racism doesn't exist?

Oh wait, that last one isn't me.

Belief =/= fact.

As long as you exist, racism exists. Because you’re racist as fuck.

Watch now as she completely ignores Koars Light’s post, because time4fun knows that she knows what’s better for black people than actual black people do.

[Methais]

Are you Cleara?

She’s totally Cleara.

[Methais]

cwolff is your typical white liberal. He's not interested at all in actually helping black people, he instead views black people as children that need defending when they do something bad, they need the government to take care of them, they need protecting when someone hurts their little feelings. Anything to keep them voting Democrat just as long as they don't move into the nice white neighborhoods.

This is correct.

[Gelston]

cwolff is your typical white liberal. He's not interested at all in actually helping black people, he instead views black people as children that need defending when they do something bad, they need the government to take care of them, they need protecting when someone hurts their little feelings. Anything to keep them voting Democrat just as long as they don't move into the nice white neighborhoods.

You mean he thinks he has to take up the White Man's Burden?

[RichardCranium]

No, you just discount the consideration of race when it comes up.

And seriously Richard- you can't think of ANY way to provide evidence of documentable social phenomenon?

This is a subject that has been researched extensively. There's even a progressive think tank study from a few years ago that gives some credence to your argument. (Granted it's superceded by more recent research and is also an outlier in the research)

Please show one instance of me discounting the consideration of race when it comes up.

I also told you that I'm using life experience as it pertains to my stance, which is the same as Koars Light outlined in a much better way than I could.

[Androidpk]

Cohen's talking to Mueller. :popcorn:

[Parkbandit]

Cohen's talking to Mueller. :popcorn:

OMGOMGOMGOMGOMG!

Oh wait.. he's already talked with Cohen.. decided he has nothing worthy of his investigation.. shipped the investigation over to NY State and moved on..

:(

[Androidpk]

Ecuador president says Wikileak’s Julian Assange MUST leave embassy but wants assurances he won’t be executed

womp womp

[Androidpk]

OMGOMGOMGOMGOMG!

Oh wait.. he's already talked with Cohen.. decided he has nothing worthy of his investigation.. shipped the investigation over to NY State and moved on..

:(


Wrong

[Methais]

Wrong

Wrong

[cwolff]

cwolff is your typical white liberal. He's not interested at all in actually helping black people, he instead views black people as children that need defending when they do something bad, they need the government to take care of them, they need protecting when someone hurts their little feelings. Anything to keep them voting Democrat just as long as they don't move into the nice white neighborhoods.


You mean he thinks he has to take up the White Man's Burden?

See how threatened you guys are about BLM. It's fear based thinking. You're scared and worried. It infuriates you to not be a special snowflake and the idea that black people, in the wake of highly prolific shootings and killings, create a movement to for awareness and protection freaks you out.

The reality is that it's nothing for you to be so worked up about. I know you've been told this before but just because they say Black Lives Matter doesn't mean yours doesn't.

Now your President tweets out Nazi white supremacist tweets and calls some Nazis good people. You need to reconcile with this. It's an abomination.

[Neveragain]

See how threatened you guys are about BLM. It's fear based thinking. You're scared and worried. It infuriates you to not be a special snowflake and the idea that black people, in the wake of highly prolific shootings and killings, create a movement to for awareness and protection freaks you out.

The reality is that it's nothing for you to be so worked up about. I know you've been told this before but just because they say Black Lives Matter doesn't mean yours doesn't.

Now your President tweets out Nazi white supremacist tweets and calls some Nazis good people. You need to reconcile with this. It's an abomination.

So basically democrats have nothing to offer and need to play race pimps?

[cwolff]

So basically democrats have nothing to offer and need to play race pimps?

So basically Neveragain has nothing to say but needs to keep talking.

This was on Fox today. Issa laying the groundwork for the president to be caught flat out lying saying it's totally ok because everybody does it. They (and most of you) have the insane ability to normalize the worst parts of politics that you used to claim you hated.


Cavuto pressed the Republican on whether Trump could face consequences for his claims that he didn’t know about the meeting.
“But what if he’s proven to be a liar, congressman?” Cavuto asked.

“If he’s proven to have not told the whole truth about the fact that campaigns look for dirt, and if someone offers it, you listen to them, nobody’s going to be surprised,” Issa said. “There are some things in politics that you just take for granted.”

You don’t think this has any long-term impact?” Cavuto asked. “He wouldn’t be the first politician, or president for that matter, to maybe just misrepresent things?”

“Businessmen listen to almost everyone who might be helpful, and by the way, they make pragmatic decisions about how to make bad stories go away,” Issa replied.

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/gop-rep-issa-nobodys-going-to-be-surprised-if-trump-lied-about-russia-meeting/

[Tgo01]

See how threatened you guys are about BLM. It's fear based thinking. You're scared and worried. It infuriates you to not be a special snowflake and the idea that black people, in the wake of highly prolific shootings and killings, create a movement to for awareness and protection freaks you out.

The reality is that it's nothing for you to be so worked up about. I know you've been told this before but just because they say Black Lives Matter doesn't mean yours doesn't.

See what I mean? The name "Black Lives Matter" would indeed indicate that ALL black lives matter, but instead they only get worked up when a white person kills a black person, mostly white police officers. And yet a young black man is in much more danger of being shot by another young black man than he ever is of being shot by a police officer. Why aren't they focused on that? Why aren't YOU focused on that? Because again you defend black people when they do something wrong and sweep their crimes under the rug. Gotta keep them voting Democrat so you have to coddle them like they are children.


Now your President tweets out Nazi white supremacist tweets and calls some Nazis good people. You need to reconcile with this. It's an abomination.

Trump never once said some Nazis were good people. You really need to turn off CNN once in a while and start thinking for yourself. I swear all of your posts read like a CNN transcript.

[Neveragain]

So basically Neveragain has nothing to say but needs to keep talking.

What would I say, I never owned slaves and I have never met a black person that picked cotton.

What I can say is 4.1% gdp growth, 1% inventory decrease, unemployment across the board is at record lows and still no collusion.

But please keep pimping race.

[Astray]

I have never met a black person that picked cotton.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PToqVW4n86U

[Neveragain]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PToqVW4n86U

Funny as fuck, as soon as I typed that I was reminded of this video.

[cwolff]

US Person 2’ in the case of alleged Russian agent Maria Butina is George O’Neill — his daughter interned for Dana Rohrabacher and helped with an anti-Magnitsky event

Can't swing a dead cat without hitting a Russian connection.

https://medium.com/@wsiegelman/us-person-2-in-the-case-of-alleged-russian-agent-maria-butina-is-george-o-neill-his-daughter-bb569202cf06

[Parkbandit]

Can't swing a dead cat without hitting a Russian connection.

https://medium.com/@wsiegelman/us-person-2-in-the-case-of-alleged-russian-agent-maria-butina-is-george-o-neill-his-daughter-bb569202cf06

So STILL no collusion?

Weird... it's as if this was just a fabricated story to get the snowflakes upset about losing..

[Neveragain]

Can't swing a dead cat without hitting a Russian connection.

https://medium.com/@wsiegelman/us-person-2-in-the-case-of-alleged-russian-agent-maria-butina-is-george-o-neill-his-daughter-bb569202cf06

https://steemitimages.com/DQmTwDpiyTGwcG3qA22rDDTRJsERaZskpgzxLubpYhdV8kr/russia.gif

[Androidpk]

So STILL no collusion?

Weird... it's as if this was just a fabricated story to get the snowflakes upset about losing..


Election Fraud
Wire Fraud
Bribery
Bank Fraud
Computer Crimes (Theft)
Computer Crimes (Espionage)
Extortion
Identity Theft
Obstruction
Hindering Apprehension/Prosecution
Witness Tampering
Perjury
Lying to Congress
Making False Statements
Conspiracy (Attempted)
FARA Nonregistration
RICO
Money Laundering
Tax Evasion

[Parkbandit]

Election Fraud
Wire Fraud
Bribery
Bank Fraud
Computer Crimes (Theft)
Computer Crimes (Espionage)
Extortion
Identity Theft
Obstruction
Hindering Apprehension/Prosecution
Witness Tampering
Perjury
Lying to Congress
Making False Statements
Conspiracy (Attempted)
FARA Nonregistration
RICO
Money Laundering
Tax Evasion

And nothing on President Trump :)

4 more years. I'll invest in Kleenex stock

[Androidpk]

And nothing on President Trump :)

4 more years. I'll invest in Kleenex stock

Keep holding on to that precious thought.

[Neveragain]

Election Fraud
Wire Fraud
Bribery
Bank Fraud
Computer Crimes (Theft)
Computer Crimes (Espionage)
Extortion
Identity Theft
Obstruction
Hindering Apprehension/Prosecution
Witness Tampering
Perjury
Lying to Congress
Making False Statements
Conspiracy (Attempted)
FARA Nonregistration
RICO
Money Laundering
Tax Evasion


Indictment: Russians also tried to help Bernie Sanders, Jill Stein presidential campaigns


A 37-page indictment resulting from special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation shows that Russian nationals and businesses also worked to boost the campaigns of Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders and Green party nominee Jill Stein in an effort to damage Democrat Hillary Clinton.


BERNIE SANDERS CAMPAIGN PAYS FINE OVER ‘ILLEGAL’ CONTRIBUTION FROM FOREIGN POLITICAL PARTY

Honestly all of this can be summed up with, Russians use Facebook too.

[Androidpk]

Honestly all of this can be summed up with, Russians use Facebook too.

The lowest of low energy trolling. Sad.

[Neveragain]

The lowest of low energy trolling. Sad.

http://www.gregkarnescpa.com/s/cc_images/cache_18028810.gif?t=1516717933

[Androidpk]

Hillary lost get over her.

[Tgo01]

Hillary lost get over her.

Bernie lost, get over it.

[Androidpk]

Bernie lost, get over it.

Trump is getting impeached, get over it.

[Gelston]

Trump is getting impeached, get over it.

No he isn't, get over it.

[cwolff]

Trump is getting impeached, get over it.

George Conway tweeted this article out today. Good news for the country and for the trumplicans even if they can't see that now.


President Donald Trump is a mere 1 percentage point away from former commander in chief Richard Nixon when it comes to the number of Americans who want him impeached, according to a new poll released Friday.
…
Forty-two percent of those polled answered that Trump “should be impeached,” compared to 51 percent who answered they “don’t feel that way” and 7 percent who registered no opinion.

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-impeachment-approval-rating-991900

[Gelston]

George Conway tweeted this article out today. Good news for the country and for the trumplicans even if they can't see that now.



https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-impeachment-approval-rating-991900

Why are you so full of anger and hatred?

As for the poll, I wonder what their polls said before the election, as far as who'd win.

[Methais]

The lowest of low energy trolling. Sad.

Ah, the classic “You made a point I can’t refute, so here’s a weak as fuck deflection instead.” maneuver.

Talk about low energy.

What a creepy stalking loser.

[Androidpk]

No he isn't, get over it.

Your boy is a Russian intelligence asset, get over it.

Election Fraud
Wire Fraud
Bribery
Bank Fraud
Computer Crimes (Theft)
Computer Crimes (Espionage)
Extortion
Identity Theft
Obstruction
Hindering Apprehension/Prosecution
Witness Tampering
Perjury
Lying to Congress
Making False Statements
Conspiracy (Attempted)
FARA Nonregistration
RICO
Money Laundering
Tax Evasion

[Gelston]

Your boy is a Russian intelligence asset, get over it.


And you're a whiny man-child. How many of those things has he been convicted of? None.

Why don't you go subpoena some skinny jeans you dumb bitch.

Also, LOL at you copying and pasting random shit. How the fuck do you commit the crime of RICO?

[Androidpk]

And you're a whiny man-child. How many of those things has he been convicted of? None.

Why don't you go subpoena some skinny jeans you dumb bitch.

Also, LOL at you copying and pasting random shit. How the fuck do you commit the crime of RICO?

Your boy is a Russian intelligence asset, get over it.

Election Fraud
Wire Fraud
Bribery
Bank Fraud
Computer Crimes (Theft)
Computer Crimes (Espionage)
Extortion
Identity Theft
Obstruction
Hindering Apprehension/Prosecution
Witness Tampering
Perjury
Lying to Congress
Making False Statements
Conspiracy (Attempted)
FARA Nonregistration
RICO
Money Laundering
Tax Evasion

[Methais]

And you're a whiny man-child. How many of those things has he been convicted of? None.

Why don't you go subpoena some skinny jeans you dumb bitch.

Also, LOL at you copying and pasting random shit. How the fuck do you commit the crime of RICO?

He meant that Trump was mean to a Mexican whose name was Rico.

His full name was Ricopk.

[Astray]

He meant that Trump was mean to a Mexican whose name was Rico.

His full name was Ricopk.

We of the Mexican delegation refuse to acknowledge that statement as true.

[Gelston]

We of the Mexican delegation refuse to acknowledge that statement as true.

Other side of the wall with you.

[Astray]

Other side of the wall with you.

Yo, what the fuck? The other side of that wall is fucking bogus.

[Methais]

We of the Mexican delegation refuse to acknowledge that statement as true.

It’s possible he was from Puerto Rico. It says Rico right there in the name after all.

[Gelston]

It’s possible he was from Puerto Rico. It says Rico right there in the name after all.

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/headhuntersholosuite/images/2/2f/Johnny_Rico.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20111230202007

He is from Buenos Aires and he says kill them all.

[time4fun]

I'm guessing that 5 years ago if someone had told you that you would be defending a President who became a Russian asset to throw a US election in his favor (and who was using their Office to do favors for the Kremlin), you would have been offended and vehemently denied that you would ever do something like that.

At one point, you understood that this is wrong. Hopefully you find your morality and patriotism again.

[Gelston]

I'm guessing that 5 years ago if someone had told you that you would be defending a President who became a Russian asset to throw a US election in his favor (and who was using their Office to do favors for the Kremlin), you would have been offended and vehemently denied that you would ever do something like that.

At one point, you understood that this is wrong. Hopefully you find your morality and patriotism again.

I don't see anyone defending a President who is a Russian asset that threw an election in his favor. When we have one of those, let me know.

[Tgo01]

I'm guessing that 5 years ago if someone had told you that you would be defending a President who became a Russian asset to throw a US election in his favor (and who was using their Office to do favors for the Kremlin)

You keep saying things like this. Can you please name which sanctions Trump has lifted and which favors Trump has done for the Kremlin. And please don't say something stupid like "He was mean to NATO!!!"

[Methais]

I'm guessing that 5 years ago if someone had told you that you would be defending a President who became a Russian asset to throw a US election in his favor (and who was using their Office to do favors for the Kremlin), you would have been offended and vehemently denied that you would ever do something like that.

At one point, you understood that this is wrong. Hopefully you find your morality and patriotism again.

I’m guessing that 5 years ago you still sniffed your own farts.

[Gelston]

I’m guessing that 5 years ago you still sniffed your own farts.

She isn't a thug, she simply fucks thugs.

[time4fun]

I don't see anyone defending a President who is a Russian asset that threw an election in his favor. When we have one of those, let me know.

I would love to hear your alternative explanation for the following:

1) Trump approves a meeting with the Russian government to get dirt on his opponent
2) The top members of his campaign (and two family members) take the meeting
3) Trump denies ANY involvement with the Russian government, but it turns out his campaign had dozens of contacts with Russian cutouts and Intelligence assets, and that he was actively negotiating a Trump Tower Moscow during the election
4) Trump- having already been told by the Russians and the US Federal Government that Russia is trying to get him elected, spends years trying to convince people that it's not Russia
5) Trump immediately tries to lift Russian sanctions imposed for election meddling after getting into office and continues to stall on new sanctions, only imposing the lightest sanctions required by law (designed to minimally impact Putin)
6) Trump fires the head of the FBI for not ending the investigation into Flynn and Russia (by his own words)
7) Trying attacks NATO and our allies- the first US President to do so but something every Putin-backed candidate in the EU has done
7) Trump hires as his campaign manager a guy whose most recent work was helping Putin install a candidate in Ukraine (who was in constant contact with a Russian spy during the campaign)
8) Trump hires a known Russian spy to be one of his foreign policy experts
9) Trump- who lambasts EVERYONE including our Allies- refuses to criticize Putin even after he showed a video of them dripping a nuclear bomb on Flordia and was caught hacking our power grid, election systems, and over half a million US routers in preparation for a large-scale cyber attack.
10) Russia went all out supporting Trump- with a full-scale disinformation campagin and- potentially tens of millions of dollars in dark money flowing to Trump's businesses and conservative lobbying groups.

Let's hear it. Explain to the class how this ISN'T the story of Russia helping to get a US President elected in return for the easing of Russian sanctions and the weakening of the NATO alliance- Putin's top two foreign policy objectives.

[Tgo01]

I would love to hear your alternative explanation for the following:

1) Trump approves a meeting with the Russian government to get dirt on his opponent
2) The top members of his campaign (and two family members) take the meeting
3) Trump denies ANY involvement with the Russian government, but it turns out his campaign had dozens of contacts with Russian cutouts and Intelligence assets, and that he was actively negotiating a Trump Tower Moscow during the election
4) Trump- having already been told by the Russians and the US Federal Government that Russia is trying to get him elected, spends years trying to convince people that it's not Russia
5) Trump immediately tries to lift Russian sanctions imposed for election meddling after getting into office and continues to stall on new sanctions, only imposing the lightest sanctions required by law (designed to minimally impact Putin)
6) Trump fires the head of the FBI for not ending the investigation into Flynn and Russia (by his own words)
7) Trying attacks NATO and our allies- the first US President to do so but something every Putin-backed candidate in the EU has done
7) Trump hires as his campaign manager a guy whose most recent work was helping Putin install a candidate in Ukraine (who was in constant contact with a Russian spy during the campaign)
8) Trump hires a known Russian spy to be one of his foreign policy experts
9) Trump- who lambasts EVERYONE including our Allies- refuses to criticize Putin even after he showed a video of them dripping a nuclear bomb on Flordia and was caught hacking our power grid, election systems, and over half a million US routers in preparation for a large-scale cyber attack.
10) Russia went all out supporting Trump- with a full-scale disinformation campagin and- potentially tens of millions of dollars in dark money flowing to Trump's businesses and conservative lobbying groups.

Let's hear it. Explain to the class how this ISN'T the story of Russia helping to get a US President elected in return for the easing of Russian sanctions and the weakening of the NATO alliance- Putin's top two foreign policy objectives.

I'm sure you just missed my post so I'm reposting it.


You keep saying things like this. Can you please name which sanctions Trump has lifted and which favors Trump has done for the Kremlin. And please don't say something stupid like "He was mean to NATO!!!"

[Gelston]

I would love to hear your alternative explanation for the following:

1) Trump approves a meeting with the Russian government to get dirt on his opponent
2) The top members of his campaign (and two family members) take the meeting
3) Trump denies ANY involvement with the Russian government, but it turns out his campaign had dozens of contacts with Russian cutouts and Intelligence assets, and that he was actively negotiating a Trump Tower Moscow during the election
4) Trump- having already been told by the Russians and the US Federal Government that Russia is trying to get him elected, spends years trying to convince people that it's not Russia
5) Trump immediately tries to lift Russian sanctions imposed for election meddling after getting into office and continues to stall on new sanctions, only imposing the lightest sanctions required by law (designed to minimally impact Putin)
6) Trump fires the head of the FBI for not ending the investigation into Flynn and Russia (by his own words)
7) Trying attacks NATO and our allies- the first US President to do so but something every Putin-backed candidate in the EU has done
7) Trump hires as his campaign manager a guy whose most recent work was helping Putin install a candidate in Ukraine (who was in constant contact with a Russian spy during the campaign)
8) Trump hires a known Russian spy to be one of his foreign policy experts
9) Trump- who lambasts EVERYONE including our Allies- refuses to criticize Putin even after he showed a video of them dripping a nuclear bomb on Flordia and was caught hacking our power grid, election systems, and over half a million US routers in preparation for a large-scale cyber attack.
10) Russia went all out supporting Trump- with a full-scale disinformation campagin and- potentially tens of millions of dollars in dark money flowing to Trump's businesses and conservative lobbying groups.

Let's hear it. Explain to the class how this ISN'T the story of Russia helping to get a US President elected in return for the easing of Russian sanctions and the weakening of the NATO alliance- Putin's top two foreign policy objectives.

What sanctions has Trump eased? How has Trump weakened NATO? He is actually making it stronger by making the other countries up their defense spending. Hell, we've even began putting US Marines in Poland and upped the number in Sweden. We are threatening war with Iran, who is a huge Russian ally. Not only that, he also chided Germany for the reliance of Russian gas, saying they should buy from us instead. If they did that would crush Russia' economy. How is a Russian puppet? Explain all this to me, Cleara.

[Androidpk]

NATO spending has been increasing since 2014, not because of Trump.

[Tgo01]

NATO spending has been increasing since 2014, not because of Trump.

So Trump is such a Russian puppet that NATO spending is still increasing even under his watch?

Trump isn't a very good puppet.

[Gelston]

NATO spending has been increasing since 2014, not because of Trump.

He is bring the issue to the forefront. If he was a Russian puppet or whatever you retards keep implying, he'd just tell them to not worry about it.

Now go work on your subpoenas you hispter bitch.

[time4fun]

NATO spending has been increasing since 2014, not because of Trump.

Why don't these people ever fact check anything?

[Tgo01]

Why don't these people ever fact check anything?


So Trump is such a Russian puppet that NATO spending is still increasing even under his watch?

Trump isn't a very good puppet.

.

[Gelston]

Why don't these people ever fact check anything?

Way to make yourself look dumb again, Cleara.

[Tgo01]

Way to make yourself look dumb again, Cleara.

It's like the last time the usual suspects tried to give examples of how Trump was in Putin's pocket. The only thing they could come up with is Trump isn't doing more than Obama did to prevent Russia from hacking American political campaigns. If the best they can come up with is Trump is exactly like Obama then I don't think they are putting forth the narrative they want to.

[cwolff]

I'm guessing that 5 years ago if someone had told you that you would be defending a President who became a Russian asset to throw a US election in his favor (and who was using their Office to do favors for the Kremlin), you would have been offended and vehemently denied that you would ever do something like that.

At one point, you understood that this is wrong. Hopefully you find your morality and patriotism again.

5 years ago they would swear up and down that no matter who demeaned the hallowed office of the Presidency they would be the first to have him impeached. Now look at us. We're stuck with a POTUS who just makes shit up and these guys eat that shit then go out into the world on vomit it on everything American. It's been absolutely disgusting to see the degeneration of the republican party.

[Neveragain]

5 years ago they would swear up and down that no matter who demeaned the hallowed office of the Presidency they would be the first to have him impeached. Now look at us. We're stuck with a POTUS who just makes shit up and these guys eat that shit then go out into the world on vomit it on everything American. It's been absolutely disgusting to see the degeneration of the republican party.

https://i.makeagif.com/media/2-07-2017/8Uid9N.gif

[Neveragain]

5 years ago they would swear up and down that no matter who demeaned the hallowed office of the Presidency they would be the first to have him impeached. Now look at us. We're stuck with a POTUS who just makes shit up and these guys eat that shit then go out into the world on vomit it on everything American. It's been absolutely disgusting to see the degeneration of the republican party.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M47aqjkCMNc

[Neveragain]

5 years ago they would swear up and down that no matter who demeaned the hallowed office of the Presidency they would be the first to have him impeached. Now look at us. We're stuck with a POTUS who just makes shit up and these guys eat that shit then go out into the world on vomit it on everything American. It's been absolutely disgusting to see the degeneration of the republican party.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhIckNUeAq4

[Neveragain]

5 years ago they would swear up and down that no matter who demeaned the hallowed office of the Presidency they would be the first to have him impeached. Now look at us. We're stuck with a POTUS who just makes shit up and these guys eat that shit then go out into the world on vomit it on everything American. It's been absolutely disgusting to see the degeneration of the republican party.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hV-05TLiiLU

[cwolff]

Trumps making my case for me today. He's spent the past hour

1) accusing Americans who serve the nation in Law Enforcement of being partisan hit men. It's horrible and anti-American to baselessly abuse ones authority attacking the institutions, men and women who serve in our security and intelligence forces.

and

2) attacking the free press specifically trying to damage two of our greatest newspapers by name. We all know how much he actively uses his office to promote Fox news. He even did a photo op with one of their fake judges in the oval office where he hawked her book for her like a cheap fucking QVC pitch. This cronyism is a vulgar abuse of the presidency but you won't hear one of these so called patriots be critical at all.

[Wrathbringer]

Trumps making my case for me today. He's spent the past hour

1) accusing Americans who serve the nation in Law Enforcement of being partisan hit men. It's horrible and anti-American to baselessly abuse ones authority attacking the institutions, men and women who serve in our security and intelligence forces.

and

2) attacking the free press specifically trying to damage two of our greatest newspapers by name. We all know how much he actively uses his office to promote Fox news. He even did a photo op with one of their fake judges in the oval office where he hawked her book for her like a cheap fucking QVC pitch. This cronyism is a vulgar abuse of the presidency but you won't hear one of these so called patriots be critical at all.

You're a retarded butthurt bitch.

[cwolff]

9096

Seriously people. Jake has a point.

[Neveragain]

9096

Seriously people. Jake has a point.

TSDR

https://media1.tenor.com/images/67164b3656353e10806740c021b37cf6/tenor.gif?itemid=5494204

[Astray]

9096

Seriously people. Jake has a point.

What is that? An example for ants?!

[ClydeR]

Here's a trend to watch. Team Trump has been slowly shifting the argument from "no collusion" to "collusion is not a crime." Is it just a legal argument made by Trump's attorneys, or is it a concession on the factual issue of whether or not there was collusion?



Donald Trump’s personal attorney Rudy Giuliani went on a media blitz Monday morning, during which he claimed “collusion” was not a crime and branded the president’s former lawyer Michael Cohen a “scumbag.”

Giuliani has been an outspoken defender of the president since joining his team to combat the ongoing special counsel investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election campaign and allegations of collusion with the Trump campaign.

The former New York City mayor began the day on the president’s favorite morning show, Fox & Friends, where he suggested Trump could not be guilty because the crime doesn’t even exist.

“I've been sitting here looking at the federal code trying to find collusion as a crime,” he began the interview with encouragement from host Steve Doocy. “Collusion is not a crime.”

More... (https://www.newsweek.com/rudy-giuliani-collusion-trump-michael-cohen-1047924)

[Androidpk]

Here's a trend to watch. Team Trump has been slowly shifting the argument from "no collusion" to "collusion is not a crime." Is it just a legal argument made by Trump's attorneys, or is it a concession on the factual issue of whether or not there was collusion?

"No collusion!"

"Okay we colluded but colluding isn't a crime!"


Conspiracy and obstruction is a crime though you fucking incompetent clowns :lol2:

[Gelston]

"No collusion!"

"Okay we colluded but colluding isn't a crime!"


Conspiracy and obstruction is a crime though you fucking incompetent clowns :lol2:

Congratulations, they never said they colluded. Keep being a retard.

[Androidpk]

Congratulations, they never said they colluded. Keep being a retard.


https://media.giphy.com/media/Gt4FaBEFngjL2/giphy.gif

[Gelston]

Look at this creepy faggot stealing gifs from Methais now.

[Ashliana]

Look at this creepy faggot stealing gifs from Methais now.

Says the guy who's been using Tisket's gif for years now? Hmm..

[Androidpk]

Look at this creepy faggot stealing gifs from Methais now.

https://media.giphy.com/media/Gt4FaBEFngjL2/giphy.gif

[Gelston]

Says the guy who's been using Tisket's gif for years now? Hmm..

I don't know anyone that fits the description.

[Androidpk]

Again, their long game has been to dumb everyone down to 'okay you've got us on espionage, foreign agent, money laundering, fraud, obstruction, perjury, computer theft and solicitation of stolen material but ha ha ha the word "Collusion" isn't in the US Code suck it libs.'

this

[Neveragain]

"No collusion!"

"Okay we colluded but colluding isn't a crime!"


Conspiracy and obstruction is a crime though you fucking incompetent clowns :lol2:

Notice how Democrats keep recycling the same line of bullshit and have yet to deliver a palatable message to attract voters, almost like they know they don't have any ideas?

[Androidpk]

Notice how Democrats keep recycling the same line of bullshit and have yet to deliver a palatable message to attract voters, almost like they know they don't have any ideas?

that's why democratic registration and fundraising is far outpacing republicans? :lol:

oh, and the koch's are sick of Trump's shit and are throwing their money behind democratic candidates :lol:

[SHAFT]

Here's a trend to watch. Team Trump has been slowly shifting the argument from "no collusion" to "collusion is not a crime." Is it just a legal argument made by Trump's attorneys, or is it a concession on the factual issue of whether or not there was collusion?

Give it time and they'll be saying "It was only collusion!"

[Methais]

Says the guy who's been using Tisket's gif for years now? Hmm..

Do you really think Gelston was being serious with that post?

[Androidpk]

https://i.imgur.com/K6hVARF.jpg

[Androidpk]

https://i.imgur.com/K6hVARF.jpg


Rudy also threw Kushner under the bus by saying he was at this pre-meeting, when Kushner said under oath he didn't know what this meeting was about.. :lol:

[SHAFT]

Rudy also threw Kushner under the bus by saying he was at this pre-meeting, when Kushner said under oath he didn't know what this meeting was about.. :lol:

Rudy just wants everyone to know that collusion isn’t a crime.

[Tgo01]

Rudy just wants everyone to know that collusion isn’t a crime.

Well, I mean, it isn’t. It’s just a buzz word to get everyone riled up.

[cwolff]

Well, I mean, it isn’t. It’s just a buzz word to get everyone riled up.

How can you say this? Just a buzzword? I am appalled at you TG. It's so disappointing to see Americans defend this shit. To make excuses and rationalize in lockstep with the talking points coming out of Rudy, trump and the rest of the right wing propaganda machine.

[Methais]

How can you say this? Just a buzzword? I am appalled at you TG. It's so disappointing to see Americans defend this shit. To make excuses and rationalize in lockstep with the talking points coming out of Rudy, trump and the rest of the right wing propaganda machine.

https://media.giphy.com/media/Gt4FaBEFngjL2/giphy.gif

[Tgo01]

How can you say this? Just a buzzword? I am appalled at you TG. It's so disappointing to see Americans defend this shit. To make excuses and rationalize in lockstep with the talking points coming out of Rudy, trump and the rest of the right wing propaganda machine.

How can I say it’s just a buzzword? Because it is. Go ahead and cite for me the specific crime of “collusion.” I’m not saying that if any of this shit is true a crime hasn’t possibly been committed. I’m saying the word collusion being thrown around is indeed just a buzzword because if some of this stuff turns out to be true and no crime has been committed people like you have already been brainwashed into screaming “collusion!”

[cwolff]

How can I say it’s just a buzzword? Because it is. Go ahead and cite for me the specific crime of “collusion.” I’m not saying that if any of this shit is true a crime hasn’t possibly been committed. I’m saying the word collusion being thrown around is indeed just a buzzword because if some of this stuff turns out to be true and no crime has been committed people like you have already been brainwashed into screaming “collusion!”

It's not a criminal statute but it's far from a buzzword. We're dealing with Russian attacks on our elections and a president who supported those attacks then used the product of some attacks on the campaign trail. This is nothing to take lightly and it's not partisan.

I hate to post the definition because all too often people here try to slide out of a losing argument by splitting hairs over these things, but here it is. It's important to keep in mind what the word collusion means and take it seriously.

col·lu·sion
kəˈlo͞oZHən/
noun
noun: collusion
secret or illegal cooperation or conspiracy, especially in order to cheat or deceive others.

[cwolff]

Check out this timeline of denials.

1. November 2016: No communications, period
Hope Hicks: “It never happened. There was no communication between the campaign and any foreign entity during the campaign.”
2. February 2017: There were no communications, “to the best of our knowledge”
Sarah Huckabee Sanders: “This is a non-story because, to the best of our knowledge, no contacts took place.”
3. March 2017: There were communications, but no planned meetings with Russians
One thing, Rudy Giuliani: The Trump campaign *did* use it.
Donald Trump Jr.: “Did I meet with people that were Russian? I'm sure, I'm sure I did. ... But none that were set up. None that I can think of at the moment. And certainly none that I was representing the campaign in any way, shape or form.”
4. July 8, 2017: There was a planned meeting at Trump Tower, but it was “primarily” about adoption and not the campaign
Trump Jr.: “We primarily discussed a program about the adoption of Russian children that was active and popular with American families years ago and was since ended by the Russian government, but it was not a campaign issue at that time and there was no follow-up.”
5. July 9, 2017: The meeting was planned to discuss the campaign, but the information exchanged wasn't “meaningful”
Trump Jr.: “No details or supporting information was provided or even offered. It quickly became clear that she had no meaningful information.”
6. December 2017: Collusion isn't even a crime
President Trump: “There is no collusion, and even if there was, it’s not a crime.”
Jay Sekulow: “For something to be a crime, there has to be a statute that you claim is being violated. There is not a statute that refers to criminal collusion. There is no crime of collusion.”
(Technically speaking, the criminal code doesn't use the word “collusion,” but it's generally understood as a broad term that could encompass more specific, codified crimes. And even special counsel Robert S. Mueller III's team has used it in court filings.)
7. May 16, 2018: Even if meaningful information were obtained, it wasn't used
Giuliani: “And even if it comes from a Russian, or a German, or an American, it doesn’t matter. And they never used it, is the main thing. They never used it. They rejected it. If there was collusion with the Russians, they would have used it.”
8. May 19, 2018: There was a *second* planned meeting about foreign help in the election, but nothing came of it either
The New York Times reported Sunday on yet another meeting about getting foreign help with the 2016 election. This one came three months before the election and featured Donald Trump Jr. and an emissary, George Nader, who said the princes who lead Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates wanted to assist Trump.
Alan Futerfas, Trump Jr.'s attorney: "They pitched Mr. Trump Jr. on a social media platform or marketing strategy. He was not interested, and that was the end of it.”
9. July 16, 2018: Trump couldn't collude, because Trump didn't even know Putin
Trump: "There was no collusion. I didn't know the president. There was nobody to collude with."
10. July 30, 2018: Collusion isn't a crime, and Trump wasn't physically at the Trump Tower meeting
With Michael Cohen alleging that Trump knew about the Trump Tower meeting in real time -- despite many previous denials -- Giuliani told both CNN and Fox News that Trump wasn't physically at the meeting.
"I'm happy to tell Mueller that Trump wasn't at the Trump Tower meeting," Giuliani told CNN, adding that "Don Jr. says he wasn't there.”
He added on Fox: “He did not participate in any meeting about the Russia transaction. ... And the other people at the meeting that he claims he had without the president about it say he was never there.”
Giuliani also argued that collusion isn't even a crime.

And then there is this gem from Rudy:

"I don't even know if that's a crime — colluding with Russians,” Giuliani said on CNN. “Hacking is the crime. The president didn't hack. He didn't pay for the hacking."

Can the bar get any lower? That's a rhetorical question because of course it can and it will get lower and all the trumplicans will go right along with it.

[Gelston]

Yeah, it is almost like they have to constantly keep saying there was no collusion and you fuckers won't believe them.

[Ashliana]

Yeah, it is almost like they have to constantly keep saying there was no collusion and you fuckers won't believe them.

It's more like the Trump administration's story about Russia and Russians has changed like 5,000 times, and each time they're forced to move the goal posts, you continue to uncritically believe their explanations with no sense of shame or irony.

They've gone from:

1) "Nobody in my campaign met or had anything to do with Russia":

"Russia is a ruse. I have nothing to do with Russia. Haven’t made a phone call to Russia in years. Don’t speak to people from Russia. Not that I wouldn’t. I just have nobody to speak to. I spoke to Putin twice. He called me on the election. And he called me on the inauguration, a few days ago … I have nothing to do with Russia. To the best of my knowledge no person that I deal with does." Source (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/20/us/politics/donald-trump-russia.html).

to

2) Acknowledging that numerous members of Trump's campaign met in secret with Russians (Sessions with Kislyak, Don Jr. with Natalia Veselnitskaya, George Padapaolous with Joseph Mifsud, Carter Page with numerous Russian government officials, etc), but claiming that they didn't involve "collusion,"

to

3) Now (https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2018/07/30/no-collusion-oh-wait-maybe-collusion-but-collusions-not-a-crime/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.4383398015cf) arguing that "collusion isn't a crime."

Combine that with how Trump has endless criticism for everyone... except Putin, whom he lavishes with praise. Trump undermines U.S. interests in every way Russia wants.

Trump, his campaign folks and his kids colluded with Russia. You're retarded and/or have partisan blinders on the size of Saturn if that isn't incredibly obvious to you.

[Gelston]

And yet they still have said and continue to say there was no collusion.

[cwolff]

Yeah, it is almost like they have to constantly keep saying there was no collusion and you fuckers won't believe them.

Uh...no. There was collusion. We've known that for some time. How many god damn times do we have to say this? Oh, I get it. You don't actually care about truth or justice. You just want to own the libs.

[Gelston]

Uh...no. There was collusion. We've known that for some time. How many god damn times do we have to say this? Oh, I get it. You don't actually care about truth or justice. You just want to own the libs.

No there wasn't. If there was Mueller would have found it by now. He hasn't. You saying there was doesn't mean there was.

[cwolff]

No there wasn't. If there was Mueller would have found it by now. He hasn't. You saying there was doesn't mean there was.

WOA, slow down cowboy. You know what Mueller has found? How?

[Gelston]

WOA, slow down cowboy. You know what Mueller has found? How?

You are the one constantly saying "There was collusion". Show me what charges have been brought up against President Donald Trump.

[cwolff]

As for collusion, do you not remember this?


Emin just called and asked me to contact you with something very interesting.

The Crown prosecutor of Russia met with his father Aras this morning and in their meeting offered to provide the Trump campaign with some official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to your father.

This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government's support for Mr. Trump - helped along by Aras and Emin.

What do you think is the best way to handle this information and would you be able to speak to Emin about it directly?

I can also send this info to your father via Rhona, but it is ultra sensitive so wanted to send to you first.

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Rob Goldstone