Russia Investigation Heating Up

[Methais]

Ya, they got no one.

Actually I should say "we" because I registered as a dem last month

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But here you go anyway
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[Neveragain]

I would totally talk smack for a Nancy Pelosi candidate, just so I could see the circus take place.

[Methais]

I would totally talk smack for a Nancy Pelosi candidate, just so I could see the circus take place.

Pelosi/Waters 2020!

[cwolff]

I would totally talk smack for a Nancy Pelosi candidate, just so I could see the circus take place.

At this point Kasich is the closest thing to a viable candidate we got.

[Methais]

At this point Kasich is the closest thing to a viable candidate we got.

Tell us more about how Trump's going down.

[Neveragain]

Pelosi/Waters 2020!

Imagine how difficult the campaign manager position would be for this ticket.

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[Neveragain]

I guess I'm not picking up on the tears. Conservatives know they are in a won, win, win, situation. Won being the killing of the mandate, win if Trump is impeached (a staunchly pro-life Pence) and a win if there continues to be no evidence.

Democrats are in checkmate, they must change their party plank or they will vanish from the political arena.

It's over dude, stfu and go make your paper, nobody wants to pay your way.

I think this upset someone.

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[Latrinsorm]

I guess I'm not picking up on the tears. Conservatives know they are in a won, win, win, situation. Won being the killing of the mandate, win if Trump is impeached (a staunchly pro-life Pence) and a win if there continues to be no evidence.Pence only takes office if he isn't caught up in the scandal. You should be going all in on impeachment before the midterms, worst case scenario you'll get President Ryan.
Democrats are in checkmate, they must change their party plank or they will vanish from the political arena.If Congressional Democrats repeat their 2016 election performance in 2018 they will control the Senate. If they repeat the 2006 midterms (i.e. the last midterms under a Republican President) they will also control the House.

Also consider that the Democrats controlled the Presidency and both Houses of Congress for 14 years in the mid 20th century and the Republicans survived just fine. The only linear change in American politics is becoming more socially liberal and more centralized power, everything else goes in cycles. Capitalism/socialism, Republican/Democrat, round and round and round they go.

[Rheisia]

So not to get in the way of the back and forth insults, but can someone explain to me the significance of the Gates plea?

I haven't been following much this week, and I'm still a little fuzzy on exactly what he has to do with everything. Is it just to apply pressure to Manafort? Or is there something else I'm not seeing?

[Androidpk]

HPSCI Democrats have (finally) released their response to the Nunes memo.

http://docs.house.gov/meetings/ig/ig00/20180205/106838/hmtg-115-ig00-20180205-sd002.pdf

[cwolff]

So not to get in the way of the back and forth insults, but can someone explain to me the significance of the Gates plea?

I haven't been following much this week, and I'm still a little fuzzy on exactly what he has to do with everything. Is it just to apply pressure to Manafort? Or is there something else I'm not seeing?

Its hard to say. Mueller is running a tight ship. I think you're right on in that its applying pressure on Manafort. One thing that is completely lost in the debate is trumps bad judgement. With any other potus that would be headline news. Now, I think everyone just expects it

[Androidpk]

So not to get in the way of the back and forth insults, but can someone explain to me the significance of the Gates plea?

I haven't been following much this week, and I'm still a little fuzzy on exactly what he has to do with everything. Is it just to apply pressure to Manafort? Or is there something else I'm not seeing?


The breaking of Rick Gates represents a dramatic escalation of Mueller’s probe into alleged collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia. While the White House previously said it was unconcerned by the possibility that Gates would sing, the former campaign official was present at several critical junctures of the Trump-Russia affair. As deputy campaign chairman, Gates was on board during Don Jr.’s Trump Tower meeting with a Russian lawyer, as well as for the campaign surrogates’ meeting with Russian officials during the Republican National Convention, when the decision was made to change the language in the official Republican platform to make it more sympathetic to Russian interests. And he remained on the Trump team throughout the transition period, when Jared Kushner and other campaign officials made contact with Russians, including Ambassador Sergey Kislyak and Vnesheconombank Chairman Sergey Gorkov.

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Gates was part of the core 4 team. Manafort, Gates, Bannon, Conway.

https://twitter.com/TheBeatWithAri/status/967174796252516352

[Rheisia]

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Gates was part of the core 4 team. Manafort, Gates, Bannon, Conway.

https://twitter.com/TheBeatWithAri/status/967174796252516352

Thanks both of you. I didn't realize that Gates was a part of the campaign at all, let alone an important part of it.

Too many threads for me to follow, but reading through these posts is helping me wrap my brain around everything. It's also helping me understand both sides of this. I know the more conservative crew here trucks in a lot of insults as the primary argument, but if you sift through- they've actually made some good points.

[Androidpk]

I know the more conservative crew here trucks in a lot of insults as the primary argument, but if you sift through- they've actually made some good points.

Insults are their only argument.

[Wrathbringer]

Retarded screeching is our only argument.

Agreed.

[cwolff]

I don't think I've seen too many points made by them.

Can you highlight some that you found worthy of attention.

[Androidpk]

Adam Schiff says that the DOJ has corroborated the Carter Page section of the Steele dossier. What does that section claim?

1 - Page had a secret meeting with Igor Sechin - Rosneft Prez
2 - Sechin offered brokerage of Rosneft sale to Trump team
3 - Page had a secret meeting with Divyekin.
4 - Divyekin told Page that the Kremlin had incriminating info on Clinton.
5 - Divyekin hinted to Page that the Kremlin had kompromat on Trump.

[Rheisia]

PB made a pretty insane argument that people who voted for Clinton in the primary are somehow more responsible for Trump's election than the people who actually voted for Trump (I laughed a little), but he WAS right that if Sanders had been the nominee he probably would have won. The recent indictment of the 13 Russians supports that.

And Neveragain is being overly simplistic when he argues that conservatives are basically in an all-win situation right now, but I think he's right that a lot of conservatives are looking at things that way. And that helps explain all of the miles between conservatives and everyone else right now.

[Androidpk]

PB made a pretty insane argument that people who voted for Clinton in the primary are somehow more responsible for Trump's election than the people who actually voted for Trump (I laughed a little), but he WAS right that if Sanders had been the nominee he probably would have won. The recent indictment of the 13 Russians supports that.

And Neveragain is being overly simplistic when he argues that conservatives are basically in an all-win situation right now, but I think he's right that a lot of conservatives are looking at things that way. And that helps explain all of the miles between conservatives and everyone else right now.

I wouldn't say Clinton voters are more responsible though I would say that Clinton herself and the DNC share a lot of the responsibility for Trump. I said before the DNC convention that if Hillary gets the nomination then Trump wins. We had a populist election, of course a highly unlikable, tone deaf, establishment candidate was going to lose. If the DNC hadn't (literally) sold out and screwed Bernie over I don't think we'd be in this mess.

Trump getting impeached and making way for Pence wouldn't be a win for the Republicans IMO. The fallout implications woul severely hurt the Republicans for years to come. Pence would be a lame duck until the end of the term.

I would more than welcome dissenting opinions but like I said they can't offer anything up beyond, "No collusion!", "You're a retard", "You're gay." It's the lowest effort trolling I've ever seen.

[Rheisia]

I wouldn't say Clinton voters are more responsible though I would say that Clinton herself and the DNC share a lot of the responsibility for Trump. I said before the DNC convention that if Hillary gets the nomination then Trump wins. We had a populist election, of course a highly unlikable, tone deaf, establishment candidate was going to lose. If the DNC hadn't (literally) sold out and screwed Bernie over I don't think we'd be in this mess.

Trump getting impeached and making way for Pence wouldn't be a win for the Republicans IMO. The fallout implications woul severely hurt the Republicans for years to come. Pence would be a lame duck until the end of the term.

I would more than welcome dissenting opinions but like I said they can't offer anything up beyond, "No collusion!", "You're a retard", "You're gay." It's the lowest effort trolling I've ever seen.

In fairness- if Clinton hadn't been attacked by the Russians, she likely would have won. The election came down to some tiny margins in very specific states- the same states that were targeted heavily. No one wants to blame the Russians for the outcome for various reasons, but honestly- that needs to be factored in. They helped keep a lot of people home and convinced a lot of other people to vote third party. Though I do agree with you that she wasn't a great populist candidate- even though she supported very populist policies. She never did a great job of communicating them. (I was a Sanders supporter, but I'm not one of the people who thinks Clinton is evil. She's just not what I wanted. My order of preference was Sanders, Kasich, and then Clinton)

I agree with you that Pence being elected would make the backlash even worse.

I actually think folks on the right have some great potential arguments to be making right now, but I get the impression that they trapped themselves by clinging to the "Mueller is part of a Deep State conspiracy to convince the country of an imaginary Russian attack to destroy the Trump administration" story. When that has been your argument, you don't have a lot left to fall back on.

[cwolff]

3rd party and the Comey Oct/Nov surprise.

That may all be connected to Russia too. Stein connections, Guliani advance warning of the comey thing.

I'm not into conspiracy theories so Ill wait to see what happens but I'm not convinced Russia didn't directly hack enough votes to tip it. Its also weird that trump focused on those razor thin margin states. Shit, its really weird that every poll and all of Wall Street had it wrong too.

Like I said; we'll just have to see what happens, but I am skeptical.

** that whole post is written like shit, but I'm in a pickup and hope you get the gist of what I'm saying

[Rheisia]

I'm firmly convinced that the Trump campaign colluded with Russia (Again, I'm not buying that it's coincidence that Trump keeps trying to undo Russian sanctions and won't enforce the ones they can't undo), but I haven't seen anything that would convince me that vote tallies were changed.

I don't think I spend as much time reading up on this stuff as other people in this thread- so maybe there's something out there I just haven't seen. But I feel like if there were any real evidence, we'd all have heard of it.

[Androidpk]

I'm firmly convinced that the Trump campaign colluded with Russia (Again, I'm not buying that it's coincidence that Trump keeps trying to undo Russian sanctions and won't enforce the ones they can't undo), but I haven't seen anything that would convince me that vote tallies were changed.

This. I haven't seen any talk on the election machines being hacked directly, though, I wonder if that's something they would disclose to the public, for security reasons. Note that the technical aspects of hacking those machines isn't far fetched. At DEFCON last year all the voting machines were hacked within 30 minutes of them opening up the contest.

[cwolff]

If they changed the vote tallies it probably wont ever be let known. Its simply too incindieary.

They sure don't seem to have done anything to stop it happening though. We may have hit Peak Republic in 2012. Form here on out we slide into faux democracy with essentially one party rule. Without a big dem showing in the mid terms we are sunk.

[Androidpk]

They sure don't seem to have done anything to stop it happening though. We may have hit Peak Republic in 2012. Form here on out we slide into faux democracy with essentially one party rule. Without a big dem showing in the mid terms we are sunk.

CPAC just gave Nunes a "Defender of Freedom" award...

[Wrathbringer]

I'm firmly convinced that the Trump campaign colluded with Russia (Again, I'm not buying that it's coincidence that Trump keeps trying to undo Russian sanctions and won't enforce the ones they can't undo), but I haven't seen anything that would convince me that vote tallies were changed.

I don't think I spend as much time reading up on this stuff as other people in this thread- so maybe there's something out there I just haven't seen. But I feel like if there were any real evidence, we'd all have heard of it.

So, you're firmly convinced, but admit there's no real evidence...ooooookaaaaayyy.....

[cwolff]

CPAC just gave Nunes a "Defender of Freedom" award...

They honored Pai for courage under fire too. CPAC is something else. Booing naturalization, booing McCain, booing anti racist speech, cheering racist trump and the dude who called affirmative action on Steele, unironically chanting lock her up. Its all a little ball of hatred.

[Rheisia]

So, you're firmly convinced, but admit there's no real evidence...ooooookaaaaayyy.....

You may want to read my post again more carefully.

[Androidpk]

They honored Pai for courage under fire too. CPAC is something else. Booing naturalization, booing McCain, booing anti racist speech, cheering racist trump and the dude who called affirmative action on Steele, unironically chanting lock her up. Its all a little ball of hatred.

The NRA gave Pai a custom made rifle.. courage under fire my ass

CPAC is a cess pit. Wasn't surprised when they had armed guards escort the speaker out who criticized them for enabling sexual harassment/assault.

[Neveragain]

Pence only takes office if he isn't caught up in the scandal. You should be going all in on impeachment before the midterms, worst case scenario you'll get President Ryan.If Congressional Democrats repeat their 2016 election performance in 2018 they will control the Senate. If they repeat the 2006 midterms (i.e. the last midterms under a Republican President) they will also control the House.

Also consider that the Democrats controlled the Presidency and both Houses of Congress for 14 years in the mid 20th century and the Republicans survived just fine. The only linear change in American politics is becoming more socially liberal and more centralized power, everything else goes in cycles. Capitalism/socialism, Republican/Democrat, round and round and round they go.

Pence is a good Christian, unlikely he was a part of anything, if there is a thing to be a part of.

Totally agree with your pendulum analogy. Obviously the best way to get the momentum to swing back in your direction is to move ones policy back to center.

It's going to take a lot for the Democrats to gain the blue collar vote back, impeachment proceedings will drive that voting block even further away.

[Rheisia]

Pence is a good Christian, unlikely he was a part of anything, if there is a thing to be a part of.

Totally agree with your pendulum analogy. Obviously the best way to get the momentum to swing back in your direction is to move ones policy back to center.

It's going to take a lot for the Democrats to gain the blue collar vote back, impeachment proceedings will drive that voting block even further away.

How can he be a good Christian when he got into bed with someone like Donald Trump? He's an adulterer, he built a gambling empire, he lies regularly, he's a self-ascribed atheist (and only suddenly became Christian when he decided to run as a Republican), he's rich (camel through the eye of a needle anyone?), he acts in ways that show an absolute lack of empathy...

Pence also knew about the Russian contacts with the Trump campaign but never once went to the FBI despite the fact that he swore on a Bible to uphold the Constitution faithfully and to protect the US from its enemies.

Pence seems like just another self-serving politician who believes in his own purity more than Jesus.

[Parkbandit]

There's obviously evidence of collusion. I admire the message discipline though. The left doesn't have the same fierce tibal loyalty to stick with fake news talking points in the face of evidence

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[Androidpk]

How can he be a good Christian when he got into bed with someone like Donald Trump? He's an adulterer, he built a gambling empire, he lies regularly, he's a self-ascribed atheist (and only suddenly became Christian when he decided to run as a Republican), he's rich (camel through the eye of a needle anyone?), he acts in ways that show an absolute lack of empathy...

Pence also knew about the Russian contacts with the Trump campaign but never once went to the FBI despite the fact that he swore on a Bible to uphold the Constitution faithfully and to protect the US from its enemies.

Pence seems like just another self-serving politician who believes in his own purity more than Jesus.

Like most GOP evangelicals he's Christian in name only.

[Parkbandit]

PB made a pretty insane argument that people who voted for Clinton in the primary are somehow more responsible for Trump's election than the people who actually voted for Trump (I laughed a little), but he WAS right that if Sanders had been the nominee he probably would have won. The recent indictment of the 13 Russians supports that.

It's so insane.. you agree with it.

I'll have to rethink it now.. it can't be right.

[Neveragain]

How can he be a good Christian when he got into bed with someone like Donald Trump? He's an adulterer, he built a gambling empire, he lies regularly, he's a self-ascribed atheist (and only suddenly became Christian when he decided to run as a Republican), he's rich (camel through the eye of a needle anyone?), he acts in ways that show an absolute lack of empathy...

Pence also knew about the Russian contacts with the Trump campaign but never once went to the FBI despite the fact that he swore on a Bible to uphold the Constitution faithfully and to protect the US from its enemies.

Pence seems like just another self-serving politician who believes in his own purity more than Jesus.

I don't know, how could Jesus have been a good Christian when he spent a great deal of his time with thieves and harlots?

Or perhaps it has always been nothing out of the ordinary until the Democrats lost and there was nothing suspicious to report to the FBI.

[cwolff]

I don't know, how could Jesus have been a good Christian when he spent a great deal of his time with thieves and harlots?

Or perhaps it has always been nothing out of the ordinary until the Democrats lost and there was nothing suspicious to report to the FBI.

Hes just trolling you Rheisia.

[Rheisia]

Hes just trolling you Rheisia.

If a position like that seems like it could actually be something he believes, isn't he technically trolling himself?

[cwolff]

Jesus was a socialist and conservative on values.

Anyway, I think the most insane shitstorm is going to happen and Trump is eventually going to fire Mueller.

I agree that things are going to get worse before they get better.


If a position like that seems like it could actually be something he believes, isn't he technically trolling himself?

You just never know.

[Androidpk]

Firing Mueller wouldn't end the special investigation and it wouldn't disband the grand jury.

[Rheisia]

No, but if he thinks Republicans in Congress will rush to his defense- he may think it's worth it.

If he thinks he's guilty of something that Mueller is likely to figure out, there's no way he would just sit back and wait for the inevitable. That's not his style. Impulsive, self-destructive decisions are though.

[cwolff]

No, but if he thinks Republicans in Congress will rush to his defense- he may think it's worth it.

If he thinks he's guilty of something that Mueller is likely to figure out, there's no way he would just sit back and wait for the inevitable. That's not his style. Impulsive, self-destructive decisions are though.

True that. He's instinct driven and a gambler. Hence all the failed businesses. Think of the most stringent advice his counselors are giving him and then imagine the opposite. Trump will do the opposite.

Rachel Maddow did an hour last night on the new charges against Gates. It may answer your earlier question.

[Rheisia]

I'm a huge fan of hers. I just haven't been watching lately.

My one problem with Maddow is she tends to tell me what I want to hear.

[cwolff]

I'm a huge fan of hers. I just haven't been watching lately.

My one problem with Maddow is she tends to tell me what I want to hear.

Yup. She's good, but she has to connect those dots every night and that's a bold challenge.

[Neveragain]

Jesus was a socialist

Volunteer socialism is a better description.

[Rheisia]

Volunteer socialism is a better description.

Isn't that just Democratic Socialism?

[cwolff]

Volunteer socialism is a better description.

He was a total libtard that's for sure.

[Neveragain]

If a position like that seems like it could actually be something he believes, isn't he technically trolling himself?

Just because Trump has his bad parts, just like all of us, does not mean he or Pence are guilty or incapable of good works. There's not even charges against Trump, last I understood he had been cleared of any wrong doing.

We have had foreign influence with our government since it's birth, it's necessary to maintain a healthy trade relationship with the rest of the world. This whole Russia thing is a political soap opera.

[Neveragain]

Isn't that just Democratic Socialism?

No, volunteer would mean doing better for society without the need for another man to govern over you.

[cwolff]

Just because Trump has his bad parts, just like all of us, does not mean he or Pence are guilty or incapable of good works. There's not even charges against Trump, last I understood he had been cleared of any wrong doing.

We have had foreign influence with our government since it's birth, it's necessary to maintain a healthy trade relationship with the rest of the world. This whole Russia thing is a political soap opera.

He hasn't been cleared of shit. Who's telling you this? Fox? Breitbart? Mueller's only been on the job since last May. These things take longer than one season of Law and Order.

[Rheisia]

Just because Trump has his bad parts, just like all of us, does not mean he or Pence are guilty or incapable of good works. There's not even charges against Trump, last I understood he had been cleared of any wrong doing.

We have had foreign influence with our government since it's birth, it's necessary to maintain a healthy trade relationship with the rest of the world. This whole Russia thing is a political soap opera.

Wait- are you arguing that foreign governments meddling in our elections to choose our own elected officials for us (the ones that are most in their best interests) is...required for us to have healthy trade relationships? And your example for that is a country that's currently facing economic sanctions from us- and therefore someone we're not supposed to be trading with?

You don't see any problem with that?

Not...a single one?

[cwolff]

Russian intelligence agents hacked hundreds of computers at the 2018 Winter Olympic Games in Pyeongchang, South Korea, while planting false evidence to cast blame on North Korea, according to U.S. intelligence.
The Washington Post reported Saturday night that U.S. intelligence officials say a cyberattack that struck several hundred computers used by Olympic officials was linked to Russian intelligence agents who attempted a "false-flag" operation with the hopes of blaming North Korea for the intrusions

Wow. WOW. This is some serious endgame stuff. Trump's threatening to make the whole world pay if sanctions don't work in NK and simultaneous to that Russia's actively attempting to ratchet up tensions on the peninsula.

But...the American trumpanzee still thinks this is totally cool because NK bad, Russia good, trump GOD

http://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/375479-russians-hacked-olympic-computers-attempted-to-plant-blame-on-north

[Rheisia]

It's sort of interesting the way Trump is willing to lay sanction after sanction on North Korea while refusing to enforce- let alone add- sanctions against Russia- which directly attacked our election.

[Neveragain]

Wait- are you arguing that foreign governments meddling in our elections to choose our own elected officials for us (the ones that are most in their best interests) is...required for us to have healthy trade relationships? And your example for that is a country that's currently facing economic sanctions from us- and therefore someone we're not supposed to be trading with?

You don't see any problem with that?

Not...a single one?

Actually the more I think about it, I have even less a problem with it as long as it does not actually involve tampering with the physical votes. I guess I have just come to terms that I'm going to probably come by foreign ideas in the age of the internet. I would prefer that than to block the rest of the world out.

[cwolff]

It's sort of interesting the way Trump is willing to lay sanction after sanction on North Korea while refusing to enforce- let alone add- sanctions against Russia- which directly attacked our election.

It's simply treason and all these flag draped, stand for the anthem bastards are behind it 100%. We're up against a cult

[cwolff]

Actually the more I think about it, I have even less a problem with it as long as it does not actually involve tampering with the physical votes. I guess I have just come to terms that I'm going to probably come by foreign ideas in the age of the internet. I would prefer that than to block the rest of the world out.

You'd be screaming bloody murder if Australia hijacked FB and got Americans to pass a total gun ban.

[Neveragain]

You'd be screaming bloody murder if Australia hijacked FB and got Americans to pass a total gun ban.

I see people from Australia all the time on FB that push the idea of a total gun ban. I think they are retards, but I'm not calling the FBI over it.

[cwolff]

I see people from Australia all the time on FB that push the idea of a total gun ban. I think they are retards, but I'm not calling the FBI over it.

Oh bullshit. That's not even any kind of answer. Rationalize your treason if you must, but don't think it's fooling anyone.

[Neveragain]

Oh bullshit. That's not even any kind of answer. Rationalize your treason if you must, but don't think it's fooling anyone.

How can it be that I'm treasonous when I didn't vote for the person you have your panties all in a knot about?

I simply don't relish the idea of leaving behind another 50 years of war/cold war for future generations of Americans, because I'm being told to hate Russians who for the life of me I can't find a reason to hate.

[Gelston]

How can it be that I'm treasonous when I didn't vote for the person you have your panties all in a knot about?

I simply don't relish the idea of leaving behind another 50 years of war/cold war for future generations of Americans, because I'm being told to hate Russians who for the life of me I can't find a reason to hate.

I'm sorry, but that is a fucking stupid ass reason. I don't feel like difficulties so I'm going to roll over and let them take what they want. I don't agree there was collusion but that train of thought is fucking bitch ass defeatist. They definitely did fuck with our election, hell, they are continuing to fuck with us now.

[Rheisia]

The thing I don't get- why are so many people okay with the fact that the President of the United States repeatedly lied to the American people about the fact that the Russians interfered with our election? He's been going out of his way to keep the country from defending itself.

That seems like the absolute most basic responsibility of a President. There's no reasonable excuse for failing to meet that responsibility.

Only two people have denied Russian election meddling: Vladimir Putin and Donald Trump.

[Androidpk]

Trump STILL hasn't said anything about Russia other than to blame Obama! At what point does this become dereliction of duty in the legal sense.

[cwolff]

I'm sorry, but that is a fucking stupid ass reason. I don't feel like difficulties so I'm going to roll over and let them take what they want. I don't agree there was collusion but that train of thought is fucking bitch ass defeatist. They definitely did fuck with our election, hell, they are continuing to fuck with us now.

There was definite collusion. Beyond doubt they colluded. The only question is if it can be turned into criminal convictions.


The thing I don't get- why are so many people okay with the fact that the President of the United States repeatedly lied to the American people about the fact that the Russians interfered with our election? He's been going out of his way to keep the country from defending itself.

That seems like the absolute most basic responsibility of a President. There's no reasonable excuse for failing to meet that responsibility.

Only two people have denied Russian election meddling: Vladimir Putin and Donald Trump.

Because he is a traitor.


Trump STILL hasn't said anything about Russia other than to blame Obama! At what point does this become dereliction of duty in the legal sense.

Because he is a traitor.

[Neveragain]

I'm sorry, but that is a fucking stupid ass reason. I don't feel like difficulties so I'm going to roll over and let them take what they want. I don't agree there was collusion but that train of thought is fucking bitch ass defeatist. They definitely did fuck with our election, hell, they are continuing to fuck with us now.

What am I as an American citizen "rolling over" to? Considering we already have a 16 year old war we can't get out of for some fucking reason, a heroin epidemic in our backyard, kids fucking shooting each other.......somehow I find it hard to think the Ukraine is better off listening to the US at the moment.

But it bothers me little that you want to continue with the Russia bad US good, spy vs. spy bullshit, but it's a pretty fucking stupid reason to continue living in the past.

If we can't do what it takes to beat a bunch of rag heads in 15 years what makes you think it would fair any better against an enemy most people don't hate enough to sacrifice their sons and daughters for?

[cwolff]

Of course we can't get out of it. The mother fuckers who lied to get us into Iraq should be put on trial.You break it you bought it. Ring any bells?

All those raging Beghazi fake patriots should march on washington and demand action against the leadership that pulled the rug out from under the U.S. mission in Afghanistan to start a war in Iraq.

That won't happen of course. They don't really give any fucks about the country.

If you gave a shit you'd quit supporting trump here and start supporting your country as we face the greatest threat to our nations continued existence since the civil war. If republicans do half ass OK in the midterms the USA as we've known it will end.

[Wrathbringer]

There was definite collusion. Beyond doubt they colluded. The only question is if it can be turned into criminal convictions.



Because he is a traitor. ,



Because he is a traitor.

You're mega retarded.

[CertainlyNotATroll]

Hello fine American sheep! We are proud to admit that your supreme leader "Doland the retard Drumpf" did not directly collude with us. Instead, we used amazingly transparently corrupt people who anyone with half a brain could identify as being in bed with anyone who was willing to provide a means for them to get an edge in business or life, regardless of their convictions or political position, nationality or any other potentially conflicting issues.

One may be asking of themselves, is Supreme leader retarded? If I were to hang with slavs and squat in the street smoking the cigarrete (smooth American flavor!) and the polizi were to stop by and say "Hey you, why you hang with these slavs who have history of stealing and beating and being a slav" should I say "I am not a slav, though I live like the slav, eat with the slav and dress like the slav?"

Is good American riddle!

[CertainlyNotATroll]

I do not have the kids of Trump.

[Neveragain]

The thing I don't get- why are so many people okay with the fact that the President of the United States repeatedly lied to the American people about the fact that the Russians interfered with our election? He's been going out of his way to keep the country from defending itself.

That seems like the absolute most basic responsibility of a President. There's no reasonable excuse for failing to meet that responsibility.

Only two people have denied Russian election meddling: Vladimir Putin and Donald Trump.

Trump tried to tell us that there was something wrong with the election process long before he was elected, you and your fellow Democrats insisted everything was peachy (even though now they are saying they "knew" something was wrong in 2016). Seems to us hayseeds ya'll thought God King Trump was talking about Mexicans and not Russians, but it was perfectly acceptable if it was the Mexicans tampering with our election.

/reported for racism and treason!

[Parkbandit]

The thing I don't get- why are so many people okay with the fact that the President of the United States repeatedly lied to the American people about the fact that the Russians interfered with our election? He's been going out of his way to keep the country from defending itself.

Russian "interfering" with our elections is a far cry from President Trump colluding with Russia to win the election.

Like night and day difference.


That seems like the absolute most basic responsibility of a President. There's no reasonable excuse for failing to meet that responsibility.

So, I imagine when President Obama stated "If you want to keep your insurance, you can!" and knew he was lying when he said it.. you let us all know about how disappointed you were in our President...

I looked back.. didn't see such a post from you. Weird how your moral compass wasn't working back then. Did you somehow get it fixed in November 2016?


Only two people have denied Russian election meddling: Vladimir Putin and Donald Trump.

Do you even know the difference between "meddling" and "collusion".. because it sounds like you are very confused with the terms.

[cwolff]

Trump tried to tell us that there was something wrong with the election process long before he was elected, you and your fellow Democrats insisted everything was peachy (even though now they are saying they "knew" something was wrong in 2016). Seems to us hayseeds ya'll thought God King Trump was talking about Mexicans and not Russians, but it was perfectly acceptable if it was the Mexicans tampering with our election.

/reported for racism and treason!

Negatory. Trump fully expected to lose and was in it to spin it. He loses, gets billions in free adverts, and goes back to being a Twitter troll.

His rigging claims relate to this directly. He was setting up his loss with a frame that lets him not have to admit defeat. Specifically he was saying that the deep state/Clinton/Obama/establishment forces were conspiring against him.

He never warned us that Russia was meddling, even while colluding with Russia.

[Neveragain]

Negatory. Trump fully expected to lose and was in it to spin it. He loses, gets billions in free adverts, and goes back to being a Twitter troll.

His rigging claims relate to this directly. He was setting up his loss with a frame that lets him not have to admit defeat. Specifically he was saying that the deep state/Clinton/Obama/establishment forces were conspiring against him.

He never warned us that Russia was meddling, even while colluding with Russia.

There's like all kinds of videos where he says he thinks there is something wrong and Clinton, as well as all the snotty little democrats, called Trump and his supporters crazy for questioning the election outcome.

Obama himself said nothing was wrong, was Obama in on this fantastic conspiracy as well?

or

Was Hillary Clinton the worst possible candidate the Democrats could have ran?

[~Rocktar~]

Specifically he was saying that the deep state/Clinton/Obama/establishment forces were conspiring against him.

And amazingly enough, they pretty much were.

[~Rocktar~]

. . . was Obama in on this fantastic conspiracy as well?

Probably.


or

Was Hillary Clinton the worst possible candidate the Democrats could have ran?

This is also correct.

[cwolff]

There's like all kinds of videos where he says he thinks there is something wrong and Clinton, as well as all the snotty little democrats, called Trump and his supporters crazy for questioning the election outcome.

Obama himself said nothing was wrong, was Obama in on this fantastic conspiracy as well?

or

Was Hillary Clinton the worst possible candidate the Democrats could have ran?

What conspiracy theory? We all know and U.S. intelligence knew then, that Russia was meddling, trump was colluding, and trump hired agents of foreign governments.

You're confusing two different things.

[cwolff]

Hillary is not a good candidate in that she's a shitty politician. She'd have been just fine as POTUS.

[Wrathbringer]

Hillary is not a good candidate in that she's a shitty politician. She'd have been just fine as POTUS.

lol you're retarded.

[~Rocktar~]

lol you're retarded.

This is correct.

[Neveragain]

What conspiracy theory? We all know and U.S. intelligence knew then, that Russia was meddling, trump was colluding, and trump hired agents of foreign governments.

You're confusing two different things.

OK so Obama, Hillary and the entire Democrat hierarchy lied to the American voters about what they knew about the election.

I have to admit that I'm not surprised that a "Democrat Socialist" wants to play judge and jury on this, fuck the process.

I swear once this is all said and done with, it will end up being all about a few Russian directed satirical YouTube videos.

[Neveragain]

Hillary is not a good candidate in that she's a shitty politician. She'd have been just fine as POTUS.

I think Trump has done a stand up job considering the hysterics. No mandate and economically I'm far better off than I was a year and a half ago.

Honestly the only way to change anything to the way you want it means actually getting involved. Go to the next primary/caucus, stand up and give your speech, I have done it. I did it for nearly 10 years, the system is a joke dude and the Russians have nothing to do with it. Once you experience it you will see just how terrible a combination human nature and power are. Giving government as little power as possible is the only way to best avoid the inevitable evils of government. Our framers spoke relentlessly on this subject as well as the moral foundation required among the citizens to sustain such a limited government.

Show me one moral man or woman in politics and I will give it my respect.

[Parkbandit]

What conspiracy theory? We all know and U.S. intelligence knew then, that Russia was meddling, trump was colluding, and trump hired agents of foreign governments.

You're confusing two different things.

You're very confused.

It has been stated repeatedly by James Comey, Diane Feinstein and James Clapper (all not on real friendly terms with President Trump) that there is no evidence of collusion.

You're wishing on a pipe dream that was created by Hillary Clinton to excuse her election loss. It didn't happen... she lost because she was a bad candidate.

Once you realize the loss is on her and no one else.. then perhaps you can then realize how you've been lied to all these months and maybe your salty tears can finally dry up and you can move on.

[Parkbandit]

Hillary is not a good candidate in that she's a shitty politician. She'd have been just fine as POTUS.

We will never, ever know.

THANK GOD!

[cwolff]

I think Trump has done a stand up job considering the hysterics. No mandate and economically I'm far better off than I was a year and a half ago.

Honestly the only way to change anything to the way you want it means actually getting involved. Go to the next primary/caucus, stand up and give your speech, I have done it. I did it for nearly 10 years, the system is a joke dude and the Russians have nothing to do with it. Once you experience it you will see just how terrible a combination human nature and power are. Giving government as little power as possible is the only way to best avoid the inevitable evils of government. Our framers spoke relentlessly on this subject as well as the moral foundation required among the citizens to sustain such a limited government.

Show me one moral man or woman in politics and I will give it my respect.

True that. I met Jared Polis (colorado gubernatorial candidate) last week off and caucasing in a week.

[Neveragain]

True that. I met Jared Polis (colorado gubernatorial candidate) last week off and caucasing in a week.

It's exciting at first but it doesn't take long to discover there are no "good" people, there are just people that are good at vying for their personal agendas.

On a lighter note, caucuses are a much more enjoyable experience.

[cwolff]

I think Trump has done a stand up job considering the hysterics. No mandate and economically I'm far better off than I was a year and a half ago.

Honestly the only way to change anything to the way you want it means actually getting involved. Go to the next primary/caucus, stand up and give your speech, I have done it. I did it for nearly 10 years, the system is a joke dude and the Russians have nothing to do with it. Once you experience it you will see just how terrible a combination human nature and power are. Giving government as little power as possible is the only way to best avoid the inevitable evils of government. Our framers spoke relentlessly on this subject as well as the moral foundation required among the citizens to sustain such a limited government.

Show me one moral man or woman in politics and I will give it my respect.

BTW: doesn't it seem rather short sighted to judge trump on these financial gains knowing that debt is going up, EPA and regulations are being gutted, state dept. can't keep good people, he's still crying about his dumb ass wall and he just threatened the entire planet, gave away the Pacific and China's quietly sliding in to replace us as the global voice of reason?

This ain't going to end well, for anybody

[cwolff]

It's exciting at first but it doesn't take long to discover there are no "good" people, there are just people that are good at vying for their personal agendas.

On a lighter note, caucuses are a much more enjoyable experience.

Ya, I'm cynical but you got to do what you can.

[cwolff]

OK so Obama, Hillary and the entire Democrat hierarchy lied to the American voters about what they knew about the election.

I have to admit that I'm not surprised that a "Democrat Socialist" wants to play judge and jury on this, fuck the process.

I swear once this is all said and done with, it will end up being all about a few Russian directed satirical YouTube videos.

Again, what's the conspiracy theory you're talking about?

[Neveragain]

BTW: doesn't it seem rather short sighted to judge trump on these financial gains knowing that debt is going up, EPA and regulations are being gutted, state dept. can't keep good people, he's still crying about his dumb ass wall and he just threatened the entire planet, gave away the Pacific and China's quietly sliding in to replace us as the global voice of reason?

This ain't going to end well, for anybody

I hope the EPA gets gutted, it's an agency filled with idiots who's jobs wholly rely on preventing the creation of wealth.

[cwolff]

I hope the EPA gets gutted, it's an agency filled with idiots who's jobs wholly rely on preventing the creation of wealth.

Again, dreadfully short sighted. Do you remember Cleveland circa 1970?

[Neveragain]

Again, dreadfully short sighted. Do you remember Cleveland circa 1970?

There's a difference between a clean environment and killing 10's of thousands of middle class jobs, creating inflated prices on natural resources and stifling entrepreneurship.

[Neveragain]

Again, what's the conspiracy theory you're talking about?

The one where the Russians made Clinton lose the election. You know, where millions of Americans were tricked into voting for Trump by Russian internet bots and the Democrats didn't know about any election interference before the election then knew about election interference 2 years before the election after they lost the election.

That conspiracy.

[Latrinsorm]

Pence is a good Christian, unlikely he was a part of anything, if there is a thing to be a part of.

Totally agree with your pendulum analogy. Obviously the best way to get the momentum to swing back in your direction is to move ones policy back to center.

It's going to take a lot for the Democrats to gain the blue collar vote back, impeachment proceedings will drive that voting block even further away.Just to be clear, you're claiming that President Donald Trump represents a policy move to the center?
It's sort of interesting the way Trump is willing to lay sanction after sanction on North Korea while refusing to enforce- let alone add- sanctions against Russia- which directly attacked our election.How about how he's endlessly fascinated with enforcing laws against brown aliens that break our laws, but continually refuses to enforce laws against white aliens that break our laws?
Russian "interfering" with our elections is a far cry from President Trump colluding with Russia to win the election.Russians interfered with our election. No quotes.
President Donald Trump obstructed the investigation into that interference. No quotes.
Scream Hillary Obama and collusion all you want, Presidents get impeached for obstruction of justice.
The only question is whether it can be proven in a court of law, and a Congressional one at that.

[cwolff]

I've not heard that theory anywhere. Millions? The difference was razor thin. The popular vote wasn't close. Dems, GOP, Intelligence and trump all knew about it during the election.

[Neveragain]

Just to be clear, you're claiming that President Donald Trump represents a policy move to the center?

Of course not. It's the opposite reaction to the 8 years of the fringe left, it's just an extreme reaction because the left got extremely retarded during those 8 years.

I thought we agreed on this whole political physics thing?

[Neveragain]

I've not heard that theory anywhere. Millions? The difference was razor thin. The popular vote wasn't close. Dems, GOP, Intelligence and trump all knew about it during the election.

So how many were impacted by these Russian trolls, maybe I have the details a little mixed on this conspiracy?

[cwolff]

So how many were impacted by these Russian trolls, maybe I have the details a little mixed on this conspiracy?

I haven't seen a number. Impacted is a lot. Influenced enough vote against Hillary is unknown

[Neveragain]

I haven't seen a number. Impacted is a lot. Influenced enough vote against Hillary is unknown

A lot and enough. That's some pretty solid evidence to present before the courts.

[cwolff]

A lot and enough. That's some pretty solid evidence to present before the courts.

Da fuq? The memes and shit already have brought indictments. That was like 3 days ago. Didn't you see it on the news?

[Latrinsorm]

Of course not. It's the opposite reaction to the 8 years of the fringe left, it's just an extreme reaction because the left got extremely retarded during those 8 years.

I thought we agreed on this whole political physics thing?Ah, so the Democrats can recover the blue collar vote by going similarly extreme the other way?

[Androidpk]

Democrats and their conspiracies!

https://i.imgur.com/UrnbxqV.png

[cwolff]

These guys are showing why the voices of reason are losing. The Shiff memo is a perfect example. The dems tried to "win" the argument by presenting evidence and facts. They provided a reasoned response to emotional appeal. Remember we're dealing with people who have rejected science.

[Neveragain]

Ah, so the Democrats can recover the blue collar vote by going similarly extreme the other way?

That would depend on your perspective, is the pendulum swinging in the direction bob's trajectory or the direction of massive bob?

[Rheisia]

So how many were impacted by these Russian trolls, maybe I have the details a little mixed on this conspiracy?

126 million Americans, according to Facebook, Twitter, and Google.

[Neveragain]

126 million Americans, according to Facebook, Twitter, and Google.

Wait, I thought my assessment of "millions of Americans" was a poor assessment?

Ok so the conspiracy goes like this: A handful of Russian trolls used voodoo internet powers to brainwash 126 million Americans into not voting for Hillary (I'm already seeing a problem with the math, but let us continue), an impact that Obama, Hillary and the Democrat hierarchy said did not exist prior to the election and then knew about 2 years before the election but only after the election took place.

Do I have it right now?

[cwolff]

Come on man. Don't just troll. Fuck. Isn't there one conservative type here that isn't just gonna troll.

[Androidpk]

A handful of Russians? Those 13 indicted aren't the only ones involved. The IRA is one of hundreds of troll farms with thousands of people working for them. And just because some people think that a certain scenario isn't possible doesn't mean it can't happen. And it doesn't mean that if it does happen they can't change their stance on said event.

[Androidpk]

Isn't there one conservative type here that isn't just gonna troll.

No. There are far more liberals on the PC and most don't want to bother posting in the political forums anymore because the same group of conservative trolls do nothing but harass them for posting their thoughts.

[Wrathbringer]

No. There are far more liberals on the PC and most don't want to bother posting in the political forums anymore because the same group of conservative trolls do nothing but harass them for posting their thoughts.

waaaaaaaaaaaaaah! wwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah! waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!

[Neveragain]

A handful of Russians? Those 13 indicted aren't the only ones involved. The IRA is one of hundreds of troll farms with thousands of people working for them. And just because some people think that a certain scenario isn't possible doesn't mean it can't happen. And it doesn't mean that if it does happen they can't change their stance on said event.

Yea, because the best way to go about things is make shit up and then make people disprove the made up shit.

13 Russian trolls meme'd 136 million Americans into submission, it could happen damn it!

[cwolff]

Yea, because the best way to go about things is make shit up and then make people disprove the made up shit.

13 Russian trolls meme'd 136 million Americans into submission, it could happen damn it!

I'm disappointed in you.

[Androidpk]

13 Russian trolls

GG reading comprehension

[Neveragain]

I'm disappointed in you.

Then convince me with something other than 13 Russians swayed 126 million people to not vote for Hillary. FFS man, Hillary spent over a billion on that circus.

P.S.
Hillary spent over a billion on that circus.

This is why I'm not buying a damn thing, over a billion dollars pissed away for donor access on a complete fucking loser. Don't think for a second those big time donors don't want their pound of flesh.

[cwolff]

Who told you 136 million people were convinced to vote against Hillary?

[Neveragain]

Who told you 136 million people were convinced to vote against Hillary?

I must have hit the 3 instead of the 2, or the Russians changed it just to up their stats. I'll edit it for accuracy.

[Back]

Then convince me with something other than 13 Russians swayed 136 million people to not vote for Hillary. FFS man, Hillary spent over a billion on that circus.

Hillary won the popular vote by close to 3 million people. All they needed to convince were 77K people in MI, PA, and WI to give Trump the Electoral votes he needed. 77k is less than 1% of the total votes in 2016.

[Neveragain]

Hillary won the popular vote by close to 3 million people. All they needed to convince were 77K people in MI, PA, and WI to give Trump the Electoral votes he needed. 77k is less than 1% of the total votes in 2016.

Ok, so now the story is. The Russians used their troll interwebs voodoo to brainwash the citizens of MI, PA and WI using their voodoo powers to predict the need to focus their blood magic on those areas. Then Obama, Hillary and the Nazgul said there was no such thing as election swaying blood magic you silly orange troll, go twitter elsewhere. Then after the shire folk gave the orange troll the one ring, Mordor said "no way bitch" we knew about the blood magic 2 years before the election.

Is that a better assessment of the conspiracy?

[cwolff]

Dude. You're flailing to defend a conspiracy theory you invented

[Androidpk]

Dude. You're flailing to defend a conspiracy theory you invented

You're trying to rationalize with someone that once said it would be perfectly good foreign policy to carpet bomb the Middle East with nukes in order to solve the problems over there.

[Neveragain]

You're trying to rationalize with someone that once said it would be perfectly good foreign policy to carpet bomb the Middle East with nukes in order to solve the problems over there.

I didn't say carpet bomb. :D

[Neveragain]

Dude. You're flailing to defend a conspiracy theory you invented

Then tell me the story. The numbers go from a lot, enough, 126 million, only the people in the blue collar states Democrats pissed away over the past 8 years. There is no such thing to we knew 2 years ago, it's like listening to children.

[Androidpk]

I didn't say carpet bomb. :D

Semantics. The point is you know jack shit about foreign affairs and all your recent comments on Russia and the Cold War prove. Take some college courses, I think you'd enjoy it.

[cwolff]

Then tell me the story. The numbers go from a lot, enough, 126 million, only the people in the blue collar states Democrats pissed away over the past 8 years. There is no such thing to we knew 2 years ago, it's like listening to children.

All the,players knew Russia was interfering. McConnel wouldn't allow a bi partisan disclosure. Trump claimed it was rigged against him. Trump won the EC by exceedingly slim margins. His campaign is being investigated for criminal activity regarding the election.

That's about it. No need for grand theories

[Neveragain]

Semantics. The point is you know jack shit about foreign affairs and all your recent comments on Russia and the Cold War prove. Take some college courses, I think you'd enjoy it.

Tell me more about how 13 Russians made the Democrats lose.

https://media.giphy.com/media/Bp5dwyOW9BwbK/giphy.gif

[Androidpk]

Keep clinging to those 13.

[cwolff]

Keep clinging to those 13.

Its amazing isn't it. These people get to vote!

[Neveragain]

Dude. You're flailing to defend a conspiracy theory you invented

I admit, I did add a little of my own flare to your conspiracy. Was the Nazgul part a little over the top?

[cwolff]

Keep clinging to those 13.

I'm not being sarcastic or exaggerating when I say that they simply can't defend their positions. All political conversation devolves like this today. GOP type makes a bold declarative statement, you point him to evidence that disproves the statement, and they retreat into a protective cocoon of anger/insults/conspiracy theory/pouting

[Androidpk]

I'm not being sarcastic or exaggerating when I say that they simply can't defend their positions. All political conversation devolves like this today. GOP type makes a bold declarative statement, you point him to evidence that disproves the statement, and they retreat into a protective cocoon of anger/insults/conspiracy theory/pouting

GOP has dumped their identity under Trump. No longer the party of fiscal responsibility or strong national defense. They've made a complete mockery of themselves.

[Neveragain]

I'm not being sarcastic or exaggerating when I say that they simply can't defend their positions. All political conversation devolves like this today. GOP type makes a bold declarative statement, you point him to evidence that disproves the statement, and they retreat into a protective cocoon of anger/insults/conspiracy theory/pouting

I have nothing to defend, I didn't vote for either retard.

You can't even give an account as to what kind of impact, if any, 13 russians had. You have proven.......NOTHING.

You just can't accept that Hillary sucked big dicks as a candidate, instead you're all like https://thumbs.gfycat.com/MealyDishonestBadger-size_restricted.gif

[cwolff]

GOP has dumped their identity under Trump. No longer the party of fiscal responsibility or strong national defense. They've made a complete mockery of themselves.

It's insane. I don't think we will ever recover from this. The worst part is that trump isn't the problem, he's just a symptom. He ran neck and neck with ted fucin' cruz! Reasonable human beings were shunted to the side in favor of those two assholes.

[Latrinsorm]

Then tell me the story.The story is that a number of Russians tried to influence the election, which is a crime regardless of how many people they did or didn't influence.

The story continues that the President obstructed the investigation into that influence, which is also a crime regardless of whether he or anyone he employed or knew or saw or even heard of was involved in the crime whose investigation he obstructed.

[Neveragain]

The story is that a number of Russians tried to influence the election, which is a crime regardless of how many people they did or didn't influence.

The story continues that the President obstructed the investigation into that influence, which is also a crime regardless of whether he or anyone he employed or knew or saw or even heard of was involved in the crime whose investigation he obstructed.

At least Latrin is honest enough to admit that it is just a story. :dance:

Did Facebook commit treason knowing they helped the Russians? Is Twitter use now restricted to Americans only, or do we ban twitter because it is not American owned? I'm just a little confused as to where and when I can talk to friends from other countries and such, I wouldn't want to be influenced by the ideas of people from around the globe.

[cwolff]

I wouldn't want to be influenced by the ideas of people from around the globe.

That ship has sailed.

[Androidpk]

The story is that a number of Russians tried to influence the election, which is a crime regardless of how many people they did or didn't influence.

The story continues that the President obstructed the investigation into that influence, which is also a crime regardless of whether he or anyone he employed or knew or saw or even heard of was involved in the crime whose investigation he obstructed.

It's not the crime it's the coverup.

[RichardCranium]

Reasonable human beings were shunted to the side in favor of those two assholes.

The GOP should be more transparent. Like, say, the DNC.

[cwolff]

I'm not being sarcastic or exaggerating when I say that they simply can't defend their positions. All political conversation devolves like this today. GOP type makes a bold declarative statement, you point him to evidence that disproves the statement, and they retreat into a protective cocoon of anger/insults/conspiracy theory/pouting


GOP has dumped their identity under Trump. No longer the party of fiscal responsibility or strong national defense. They've made a complete mockery of themselves.


The GOP should be more transparent. Like, say, the DNC.

Great example Richard. You can't say shit for a rebuttal so you go to Whataboutism.

The republicans and their politically allied are incapable of rationally defending their positions.

[Neveragain]

Great example Richard. You can't say shit for a rebuttal so you go to Whataboutism.

The republicans and their politically allied are incapable of rationally defending their positions.

Rationally defending? Between You, Rheisha, the couch guy and Back we have been given 4 sets of numbers....make that 3 because enough and a lot are not numbers.

You have to prove something first, 13 Russians brainwashed Americans, is not proof, it's playing thought police.

If not for those dastardly Russians, people would have voted for who they really wanted! Soon you will be supporting registration for an interwebs security number for all users, just in case people from other countries are saying things you don't like.

If people shared spicy Russian troll meme's, are they now guilty of treason too?

If illegals were using the interwebs to say bad things too, does that mean they should be rounded up as well?

Do foreign journalists face prison time for printing stuff about American politics?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiyfwZVAzGw

[cwolff]

Rationally defending? Between You, Rheisha, the couch guy and Back we have been given 4 sets of numbers....make that 3 because enough and a lot are not numbers.

You have to prove something first, 13 Russians brainwashed Americans, is not proof, it's playing thought police.

If not for those dastardly Russians, people would have voted for who they really wanted! Soon you will be supporting registration for a interwebs security number for all users, just in case people from other countries are saying things you don't like.

If people shared spicy Russian troll meme's, are they now guilty of treason too?

You're simply trolling for attention at this point.

[Neveragain]

You're simply trolling for attention at this point.

Those are honest questions.

If people shared what was said by these amazing 13 Russian are they guilty of treason?

Is Facebook guilty of treason?

Do we ban Twitter, obviously it's over run with jihadists. By your justifications, Americans are just too fucking stupid to think for themselves.

Welcome to the Red Scare 2.0

[Androidpk]

Honest questions from someone that doesn't care about facts. Okay.

[Neveragain]

Honest questions from someone that doesn't care about facts. Okay.

What facts?

This is your case:

13 Russian nationals changed the minds of people who we know would have voted for Democrats. We know this because we are smarter than you and can read peoples minds. Fuck you, we are diving head first into 1984 because it was a really cool book.

[Androidpk]

The fact that you keep emphasizing the 13 Russians even though it's been noted more than once that it is far more than 13. We're talking a 4+ year Russian intelligence information warfare operation and you keep harping on those 13 indicted.

[Neveragain]

The fact that you keep emphasizing the 13 Russians even though it's been noted more than once that it is far more than 13. We're talking a 4+ year Russian intelligence information warfare operation and you keep harping on those 13 indicted.

I don't recall a president Trump 4+ years ago. I do recall you retards being in charge of the show and being caught on hot mics saying nifty shit like this:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsFR8DbSRQE

[Neveragain]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GdLClHAMB0

But do please continue to tell us how the orange troll was working with the Russians?

Convince us that Mordor should take the one ring.

[cwolff]

What facts?

This is your case:

We are not making a "case".

You invented a liberal conspiracy theory to argue against it. Apparently you want to talk about keeping open channels for sharing ideas and big government.

If that is on your mind then make a thread, explain you're position and people will probably talk with you about that topic

[Androidpk]

I don't recall a president Trump 4+ years ago. I do recall you retards being in charge of the show and being caught on hot mics saying nifty shit like this:

Troll gonna troll.

[cwolff]

Troll gonna troll.

Indeed.

Check out the above language. Its also typical of the GOP guide to losing arguments.

You guys this, you guys that....But, call him a trump supporter and see what happens. Its also an indicator that the gop/tumpanzee just admitted defeat. Its how they do it.

A similar phenomenon will happen with trumpanzees who fancy themselves intellectual. Call them out for believing Fox News bullshit and they respond by saying that they get their news from an aggregator. That means Drudge.

[Androidpk]

Call them out for believing Fox News bullshit and they respond by saying that they get their news from an aggregator. That means Drudge.

or infowars

[Neveragain]

We are not making a "case".

Then help us, the readers, understand what it is you and PK are jerking yourselves off over. That would be great.

[cwolff]

Dude, its your conspiracy theory. Enjoy it

[Neveragain]

Dude, its your conspiracy theory. Enjoy it

https://fat.gfycat.com/UnitedTenderDarklingbeetle.gif

[RichardCranium]

Great example Richard. You can't say shit for a rebuttal so you go to Whataboutism.

The republicans and their politically allied are incapable of rationally defending their positions.

I'm not a Republican, nor am I politically allied with them.

[Methais]

I would more than welcome dissenting opinions but like I said they can't offer anything up beyond, "No collusion!", "You're a retard", "You're gay." It's the lowest effort trolling I've ever seen.

The vocal left on this forum consists of you i.e. time4fun 2.0, cwolff, Necro's 48327042 accounts, and Backlash and you can't figure out why you get trolled instead of taken seriously? :lol:

[cwolff]

I'm not a Republican, nor am I politically allied with them.

Hahaha, that's some sweet sarcasm. Took me a minute but then I got the joke. +1 to RchardCranium

[RichardCranium]

Hahaha, that's some sweet sarcasm. Took me a minute but then I got the joke. +1 to RchardCranium

Great example. So, no rebuttal?

[cwolff]

Great example. So, no rebuttal?

I thought you were joking and I'm skeptical of your non partisan objectivity but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

[RichardCranium]

I thought you were joking and I'm skeptical of your non partisan objectivity but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

I dislike both parties equally.

[Androidpk]

The vocal left on this forum consists of you i.e. time4fun 2.0, cwolff, Necro's 48327042 accounts, and Backlash and you can't figure out why you get trolled instead of taken seriously? :lol:

Oh no, I'm not taken seriously by the trolls here, how will I ever get on with my life. :jerkit:

[cwolff]

I dislike both parties equally.

You might an outlier. I usually hear that from libertarians

[Methais]

I haven't seen a number. Impacted is a lot. Influenced enough vote against Hillary is unknown

https://youtu.be/WboggjN_G-4?t=54s

[Methais]

Oh no, I'm not taken seriously by the trolls here, how will I ever get on with my life. :jerkit:

Can you list the places where you are taken seriously? Your incoming non-answer will be interpreted as your answer being "Nowhere."

[RichardCranium]

You might an outlier. I usually hear that from libertarians

Hi.

[Methais]

Hi.

https://media.giphy.com/media/xT9IgG50Fb7Mi0prBC/giphy.gif

[cwolff]

Hi.

I know one guy who identifies libertarian and really seems to be. The rest of the ones I've met are conservatives with a mean streak. I tend to believe libertarians are right wingers.

Maybe youre the real deal too

[RichardCranium]

I know one guy who identifies libertarian and really seems to be. The rest of the ones I've met are conservatives with a mean streak. I tend to believe libertarians are right wingers.

Maybe youre the real deal too

Depends on the issue. I tend to lean more right on fiscal issues (except military spending) and more left on social issues. My girlfriend identifies as libertarian and leans further left on all issues than me, though I think geography and upbringing play a part in that. She was raised on a farm in Kansas, attended college at Wichita St. and works in banking. I was raised lower middle class in south Louisiana and went to work in the refineries at 18.

[cwolff]

Depends on the issue. I tend to lean more right on fiscal issues (except military spending) and more left on social issues. My girlfriend identifies as libertarian and leans further left on all issues than me, though I think geography and upbringing play a part in that. She was raised on a farm in Kansas, attended college at Wichita St. and works in banking. I was raised lower middle class in south Louisiana and went to work in the refineries at 18.

I think of kansans, especially rural folk, as conservative as fuck! LOL

You still at the refinery? Is that usually a 2x2? And how dangerous is it?

[RichardCranium]

I think of kansans, especially rural folk, as conservative as fuck! LOL

You still at the refinery? Is that usually a 2x2? And how dangerous is it?

They generally are conservative, although the younger generations are veering away from that (thanks in large part to their idiot of a governor.)

Refineries are very dangerous, but the pay makes up for it.

[Parkbandit]

126 million Americans, according to Facebook, Twitter, and Google.

You do come across as someone who reads Facebook and really believes everything posted.

I'm not shocked in the least.

The other 125,999,999 people though, probably have more sense than to just believe every single thing they read on Facebook.

[Parkbandit]

You're simply trolling for attention at this point.

Irony at it's finest.

[Parkbandit]

The vocal left on this forum consists of you i.e. time4fun 2.0, cwolff, Necro's 48327042 accounts, and Backlash and you can't figure out why you get trolled instead of taken seriously? :lol:

It's been a year and a half.. and I'm STILL enjoying all the upset feelings and tears.

[Parkbandit]

Oh no, I'm not taken seriously by the trolls here, how will I ever get on with my life. :jerkit:

Probably the same way you've gotten on with your life so far: sponging off others.

[Wrathbringer]

It's been a year and a half.. and I'm STILL enjoying all the upset feelings and tears.

This is correct.

[Candor]

I know one guy who identifies libertarian and really seems to be. The rest of the ones I've met are conservatives with a mean streak.

Maybe next election the Libertarians can come up with a Presidential candidate that could actually do the job.

[Back]

Yeah, 2 or 3 butthurt angry old men with fragile masculinity issues who have a desperate need to talk shit about other people to feel better about themselves is not really a measure of anything more than their own issues.

[RichardCranium]

Maybe next election the Libertarians can come up with a Presidential candidate that could actually do the job.

Doubtful, but one can hope.

I'd be happy getting one into the debates.

[Wrathbringer]

Maybe next election the Libertarians can come up with a Presidential candidate that could actually do the job.

You're an ignorant gay fag.

[Back]

You're an ignorant gay fag.


https://image.spreadshirtmedia.com/image-server/v1/mp/designs/1008871334,width=178,height=178/warning-grumpy-old-man.png

[Taernath]

The rest of the ones I've met are conservatives with a mean streak. I tend to believe libertarians are right wingers.

Libertarians get lumped in with the right wingers because they're economically conservative and their support for social issues tends to only go as far as the things that personally affect them, hence "state's rights". +1 on the mean streak though, that's something I've noticed too.

[Androidpk]

Yeah, 2 or 3 butthurt angry old men with fragile masculinity issues who have a desperate need to talk shit about other people to feel better about themselves is not really a measure of anything more than their own issues.

They're totally just normal dudes with amazing lives...

:lol2:

[Neveragain]

I know one guy who identifies libertarian and really seems to be. The rest of the ones I've met are conservatives with a mean streak. I tend to believe libertarians are right wingers.

Maybe youre the real deal too

Let's be honest, anyone that believes in private land ownership is considered a "right winger" by you.

[Neveragain]

They're totally just normal dudes with amazing lives...

:lol2:

Sit down Jack, you haven't even raised a family. Fuck'n clown.

[Methais]

Yeah, 2 or 3 butthurt angry old men with fragile masculinity issues who have a desperate need to talk shit about other people to feel better about themselves is not really a measure of anything more than their own issues.

What is there to be butthurt about? The only butthurt that’s been happening here has been coming from you, time4pk, manpursewolff, and Necro. Though Necro has mostly been having conversations with his alts so that probably doesn’t count.

Seriously though, what is it that you think we’re butthurt over?

[Androidpk]

Trolls gonna troll.

[Neveragain]

Libertarians get lumped in with the right wingers because they're economically conservative and their support for social issues tends to only go as far as the things that personally affect them, hence "state's rights". +1 on the mean streak though, that's something I've noticed too.

A lot of libertarians are bitter over the 2012 election, after 2012 I stopped getting involved. Ron Paul was to the Republicans what Bernie Sanders was/is to the Democrat party. Just wait till the start of the next presidential election, Bernie/x-Bernie supporters will be rabid.

The more I think about it, I can totally see the Democrats running Oprah and her winning.

[Parkbandit]

Yeah, 2 or 3 butthurt angry old men with fragile masculinity issues who have a desperate need to talk shit about other people to feel better about themselves is not really a measure of anything more than their own issues.

And just when Androidpk and cwolff are jockeying for the Dumbest Poster in a Thread Award.. in pops Backlash to put them back in their place.

Well played.

[Parkbandit]

Oh the big O will guaranteed win. If anything Donald Trump has proven that this "democracy" is just some inane popularity contest. Although I originally was disgusted by the Founding Fathers adding in clauses limiting voting to the educated and land owning, slowly I'm beginning to realize their wisdom.

It's not a popularity contest.. if it was, your girl Hillary would be President.

[Neveragain]

You can put me on the record. If the Democrats run Oprah, she will be our next president.

https://media.giphy.com/media/8aTGG4q9fYguc/giphy.gif

[Neveragain]

Peggy Bundy types would stampede the voting booths and shit, it would be a shit storm of a landslide.

https://i.imgur.com/wql64I6.gif

[Androidpk]

You can put me on the record. If the Democrats run Oprah, she will be our next president.

.

[Methais]

FINALLY found some actual footage of PB!

https://media.giphy.com/media/5Zesu5VPNGJlm/200w.gif


Trolls gonna troll.

.

[ClydeR]

Succinct (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/968468176639004672).




https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DXCw-9BU8AAMRGj.jpg

[Wrathbringer]

Succinct (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/968468176639004672).




https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DXCw-9BU8AAMRGj.jpg

This is correct.

[Taernath]

A lot of libertarians are bitter over the 2012 election, after 2012 I stopped getting involved. Ron Paul was to the Republicans what Bernie Sanders was/is to the Democrat party. Just wait till the start of the next presidential election, Bernie/x-Bernie supporters will be rabid.

The more I think about it, I can totally see the Democrats running Oprah and her winning.

Eh, Ron Paul never had a chance. RP got ~6% & 11% of the primary vote the times he ran, Sanders got ~43%. There was broad public support for Sanders, at least among Democrats.

[Androidpk]

Eh, Ron Paul never had a chance. RP got ~6% & 11% of the primary vote the times he ran, Sanders got ~43%. There was broad public support for Sanders, at least among Democrats.

And birds.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jc2TVLoxsDA

[Taernath]

And birds.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAfs7QSQtvk

[Androidpk]

Special Counsel Robert Mueller and his legal team has moved to drop charges that were brought last week in an expansive superseding indictment against Rick Gates. The 32-count indictment issued in the Eastern District of Virginia accused Gates of tax and bank fraud.

Why it matters: Mueller's decision to drop the more expansive charges against Gates suggests that he may have provided good information for Mueller's probe. Gates still faces an advisory sentence of 57 to 71 months under his guilty plea, per Bloomberg, but it's worth nothing that the "prosecution can request a shorter sentence but isn't required to do so." Gates pled guilty last week to charges filed in the District of Columbia on counts of conspiracy against the United States and lying to the FBI and the Special Counsel.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DXDc9sQWkAAMZN_.jpg

[Wrathbringer]

ooooooooooooo it's really heating up now!!!!!11

[ClydeR]

From the people who published the Dossier..


Amid the opportunists, weirdos, trolls, and pawns who make up the cast of the Russian plot to interfere in American politics, Joseph Mifsud stands out.

The Maltese professor, who allegedly delivered word of Hillary Clinton’s stolen emails to Donald Trump's campaign, is an authentically mysterious figure, his true role and ties to Russian intelligence unclear.

And while others like former Trump campaign aides George Papadopoulos and Carter Page – and their friends and girlfriends – told their stories, Mifsud went to ground. His biography disappeared from one university where he taught and he quit his job at another university. His email and cell phones went dead. And politicians, colleagues and journalists can't find him.

Neither can Anna, his 31-year-old Ukrainian fiancee, who says he is the father of her newborn child. And her story, snatched from the pages of a John le Carré novel, offers a glimpse at the human collateral damage of an intelligence operation in which the mysterious Mifsud was allegedly a central figure.

More... (https://www.buzzfeed.com/albertonardelli/the-mysterious-professor-at-the-center-of-the-russia-trump)

[cwolff]

I don't think we'll be seeing him again.

Might not matter though. That epidemiologist from Atlanta who went home sick and hasn't been seen since may have just started the Walking Dead. LOL

[cwolff]

Special Counsel Robert Mueller and his legal team has moved to drop charges that were brought last week in an expansive superseding indictment against Rick Gates. The 32-count indictment issued in the Eastern District of Virginia accused Gates of tax and bank fraud.

Why it matters: Mueller's decision to drop the more expansive charges against Gates suggests that he may have provided good information for Mueller's probe. Gates still faces an advisory sentence of 57 to 71 months under his guilty plea, per Bloomberg, but it's worth nothing that the "prosecution can request a shorter sentence but isn't required to do so." Gates pled guilty last week to charges filed in the District of Columbia on counts of conspiracy against the United States and lying to the FBI and the Special Counsel.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DXDc9sQWkAAMZN_.jpg

Very interesting. Mueller is a busy bee

[cwolff]

Jeff Sessions: DOJ will open investigation into FISA abuses

From the Washington Examiner. Is that the Moonie paper? Anyway, this is how we lose the Republic.

[Parkbandit]

Jeff Sessions: DOJ will open investigation into FISA abuses

From the Washington Examiner. Is that the Moonie paper? Anyway, this is how we lose the Republic.

Good.

We need to investigate how a sitting President was able to eavesdrop on a candidate in the other Party during the election, using very questionable "evidence" that was bought and paid for by the Democrat Party.

[Neveragain]

Eh, Ron Paul never had a chance. RP got ~6% & 11% of the primary vote the times he ran, Sanders got ~43%. There was broad public support for Sanders, at least among Democrats.

Ron Paul was leading the Republican polls going into the Iowa caucuses, the shit that took place around the state that night during and after the polling was extreme. The precinct I represented, he won by nearly 40% over any of the other candidates. It was so fucking bad that Gov. Terry Branstad (R) (Now US Ambassador to China) was asked on FOX what the rest of the nation should take from the state of Iowa if Ron Paul won and he answered "The rest of the country should ignore the caucus outcome."

Some precincts didn't turn the ballots in, all the ballots from one of the stronger RP counties were being driven around out in the middle of the country on gravel roads and didn't get turned in until like 2 or 3 am. Another precinct they shut the lights off after collecting all the ballots. It was a sham.

Listen to this shit dude.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sD09uVFQs9M

Karl Rove is so full of shit. 1st in the nation state and they are "all polite about politics."

Urrgh, yea I'm bitter about it.

[Parkbandit]

ooooooooooooo it's really heating up now!!!!!11

I've been hearing this since Hillary came up with the "BUT RUSSIA" excuse and her faithful followers gobbled it up.

[CertainlyNotATroll]

Officials in at least four countries have privately discussed ways they can manipulate Jared Kushner, the president’s son-in-law and senior adviser, by taking advantage of his complex business arrangements, financial difficulties and lack of foreign policy experience, according to current and former U.S. officials familiar with intelligence reports on the matter.

Among those nations discussing ways to influence Kushner to their advantage were the United Arab Emirates, China, Israel and Mexico, the current and former officials said.

Officials in the White House were concerned that Kushner was “naive and being tricked” in conversations with foreign officials, some of whom said they wanted to deal only with Kushner directly and not more experienced personnel, said one former White House official.

[cwolff]

I think you forgot which account you had logged in

[Neveragain]

And birds.

https://blog.kareldonk.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/black-bird-hitler-shoulder.jpg

[Taernath]

Ron Paul was leading the Republican polls going into the Iowa caucuses, the shit that took place around the state that night during and after the polling was extreme. The precinct I represented, he won by nearly 40% over any of the other candidates. It was so fucking bad that Gov. Terry Branstad (R) (Now US Ambassador to China) was asked on FOX what the rest of the nation should take from the state of Iowa if Ron Paul won and he answered "The rest of the country should ignore the caucus outcome."

There are some interesting takeaways from the Iowa caucus, namely that the guys who won the popular vote still lost the state. Republicans have since closed that loophole. :thinking:

But in the end it didn't matter because Paul still lost the popular vote AND delegate count by a huge margin. There was no massive nation-wide anti Paul election fraud, just like there were no stealth delegates and no stirring speech that rallied everyone to his cause.

[Neveragain]

There are some interesting takeaways from the Iowa caucus, namely that the guys who won the popular vote still lost the state. Republicans have since closed that loophole. :thinking:

But in the end it didn't matter because Paul still lost the popular vote AND delegate count by a huge margin. There was no massive nation-wide anti Paul election fraud, just like there were no stealth delegates and no stirring speech that rallied everyone to his cause.

I'm not suggesting there was a nation wide anti-paul election fraud. Winning one of the first few states means big donor money, it changes everything about a campaign. Obama is proof of that.

[Taernath]

I'm not suggesting there was a nation wide anti-paul election fraud. Winning one of the first few states means big donor money, it changes everything about a campaign. Obama is proof of that.

Winning Iowa helps, but they only get the general election correct about 50% of the time, which... isn't particularly great. It's probably the same for the other states. Paul had nowhere near enough momentum even with a win.

[Androidpk]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhD3I_AZJMY

[Methais]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2quonm59Kc

[Androidpk]

New York’s Department of Financial Services has asked Deutsche Bank AG and a pair of local lenders to provide information about their relationships with Jared Kushner, his family and the Kushner Cos., people familiar with the matter tell Bloomberg.

.

[Wrathbringer]

.

ooooo it's really heating up now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111111!!!!!!

[Methais]

ooooo it's really heating up now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111111!!!!!!

How time4pk thinks it's heating up:

https://media.giphy.com/media/3o85xxJKCRRnStbCms/giphy.gif

How it's actually heating up:
https://78.media.tumblr.com/f6e31f35d88833de6f927d13b5e98b92/tumblr_o6iteqEukn1qa0v13o1_250.gif

[cwolff]

even months later, CNN reports that Mueller has expanded his inquiry to include Russia’s potential leverage over the president and why he decided to run for president. According to sources who spoke to CNN, F.B.I. investigators have questioned witnesses about whether Trump showed an interest in running for president as far back as 2014, and how that desire coincided with his business ventures in Russia. The new line of inquiry confirms that Mueller is not just investigating potential obstruction of justice, but also allegations of collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia

Heating up. We might be heading to a "massacre".

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/02/robert-mueller-donald-trump-red-line?mbid=social_facebook

[Parkbandit]

On one hand.. I love the fact that President Trump is residing in the heads of so many sensitive little snowflakes... but if he's forced to resign, can you imagine how President Mike Pence would be?

Their heads would literally explode when they realize that Hillary isn't the new President.

[Wrathbringer]

ooooooooooo FOR REAL THIS TIME GUYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111!!!!! IT'S REALLY HEATING UP NOW!!!!!!!!!!11

[cwolff]

ooooooooooo FOR REAL THIS TIME GUYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111!!!!! IT'S REALLY HEATING UP NOW!!!!!!!!!!11

Ya buddy. It is exciting. I am also interested to see what happens

[Gelston]

On one hand.. I love the fact that President Trump is residing in the heads of so many sensitive little snowflakes... but if he's forced to resign, can you imagine how President Mike Pence would be?

Their heads would literally explode when they realize that Hillary isn't the new President.

Hell, Pence would be their worst nightmare. He is so far to the right.

[Wrathbringer]

Hell, Pence would be their worst nightmare. He is so far to the right.

Pence is my worst nightmare. A religious zealot who hates pot. It doesn't get any worse than that.

[Methais]

Heating up. We might be heading to a "massacre".

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/02/robert-mueller-donald-trump-red-line?mbid=social_facebook

RUSSIA MADE TRUMP RUN FOR PRESIDENT OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG lol:

Trump also teased running in 2012, which that article seem to have forgotten.

[Parkbandit]

Pence is my worst nightmare. A religious zealot who hates pot. It doesn't get any worse than that.

President Trump hates pot too.

So you view Pence worse than Obummer??

SAD!

[Wrathbringer]

President Trump hates pot too.

So you view Pence worse than Obummer??

SAD!

No. I may have exaggerated slightly.

[Latrinsorm]

At least Latrin is honest enough to admit that it is just a story. :dance:

Did Facebook commit treason knowing they helped the Russians? Is Twitter use now restricted to Americans only, or do we ban twitter because it is not American owned? I'm just a little confused as to where and when I can talk to friends from other countries and such, I wouldn't want to be influenced by the ideas of people from around the globe.If you are campaigning for President or employed in such a campaign, you should utilize extreme vetting for everyone you come in contact with, especially those you have reason to believe are foreign nationals. I don't know where "treason" came into it - there are many crimes that aren't treason.
Hell, Pence would be their worst nightmare. He is so far to the right.It's almost as if liberals are actually reacting to evidence of crimes rather than political bias.
It's been a year and a half.. and I'm STILL enjoying all the upset feelings and tears.Republicans promise you they'd cut government spending - an obvious lie.
It becomes a demonstrable lie.
But you still care more about LOL LIBRALS.
Do you wonder why they lied and will continue to lie to you?
This is why.
You are incapable of holding them accountable.

And they know it.

[Gelston]

Actually, liberals are reacting at every piece of bullshit the news throws out there because you guys have been crying ever since Trump won.

[Latrinsorm]

Actually, liberals are reacting at every piece of bullshit the news throws out there because you guys have been crying ever since Trump won.:lol:

Good luck with that.

[Wrathbringer]

Actually, liberals are reacting at every piece of bullshit the news throws out there because you guys have been crying ever since Trump won.

This is correct.

[Neveragain]

If you are campaigning for President or employed in such a campaign, you should utilize extreme vetting for everyone you come in contact with, especially those you have reason to believe are foreign nationals. I don't know where "treason" came into it - there are many crimes that aren't treason.

I agree, that's why we should require an I.D. to vote.

The rainbow brigade are the ones throwing around the word treason, I was just asking if those things are treason.

I'm unsure what the word treason means anymore.

https://media3.giphy.com/media/3o7btPCcdNniyf0ArS/source.gif

[Latrinsorm]

I agree, that's why we should require an I.D. to vote.That's also illegal unless it's provided free of charge and/or not required to vote.
The rainbow brigade are the ones throwing around the word treason, I was just asking if those things are treason.You're the first one to bring up treason here, so unless the rainbow brigade is an unusually idiosyncratic term for your subconscious you might want to take a breath.

[cwolff]

I agree, that's why we should require an I.D. to vote.


Don't worry. Kris Kojak is on the job and he's got a committee to ferret out all the voter fraud. He'll sort this mess.

Count me in the rainbow brigade btw. I gladly say trump's treasonous and so are his little PC minions.

[Neveragain]

You're the first one to bring up treason here, so unless the rainbow brigade is an unusually idiosyncratic term for your subconscious you might want to take a breath.


I gladly say trump's treasonous and so are his little PC minions.

https://i.imgur.com/rPNCqww.jpg

[cwolff]

Ya, you're not the first. I beat you to that punch!

[Neveragain]

Count me in the rainbow brigade btw.

Counted.

[Latrinsorm]

https://i.imgur.com/rPNCqww.jpgAre you uh... fuzzy on the meaning of the word "first"?

[Neveragain]

Are you uh... fuzzy on the meaning of the word "first"?

I'm 99.9% positive, that if you go back and read through this entire whine thread you will find I was indeed not the first to use the word treason.

You really need to get over this T.D.S. The softer side of me really is starting to worry about you. :hippie:

[cwolff]

Seth Abramson is tweeting a thread about the Hicks firing. The point he's making is this:


(THREAD) In America, if you know an employee who you have the power to fire or punish is a witness in a pending criminal investigation—and you angrily berate them for giving truthful testimony in a mid-probe interview with the intent to change their future testimony—it's a CRIME.

Perhaps Hope will meet Robert again.

[Androidpk]

https://i.imgur.com/zrUkhAH.jpg

[Androidpk]

Bet Mueller interviews Hicks sometime in the next week or two.

[cwolff]

Bet Mueller interviews Hicks sometime in the next week or two.

Oh ya. Btw, I saw,a great tweet about how she lasted 16.9 scaramuccis. I love that unit of time for trump WH employees

[Methais]

I'm unsure what the word treason means anymore.

Treason is when a US President does anything you disagree with or don't like.


Count me in the rainbow brigade btw. I gladly say trump's treasonous and so are his little PC minions.

We already know you're extremely retarded. No need to keep reminding us.

[Androidpk]

On Wednesday, special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation into whether President Donald Trump's campaign colluded with Moscow during the 2016 election reportedly set its sights, for the first time, on 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

A new report from NBC News said Mueller is scrutinizing what, and how much, Trump knew about the Russian-backed campaign to hack into the Democratic National Committee in the summer of 2016, and whether Trump had any role in the radical pro-transparency group WikiLeaks' subsequent dissemination of the stolen emails.

[Androidpk]

Tampering with a witness, just one more obstruction charge to add to his list:


Donald Trump reportedly berated his former White House communications director after she admitted to telling "white lies" on his behalf.

Hope Hicks resigned after testifying for nine hours before the House intelligence committee as part of the investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election.

She told investigators that she occasionally had to tell white lies to appease the president, but insisted she told the truth about relevant Russian matters.

A long time aide to the US leader, who worked at the Trump Organization before going to serve as press secretary for his presidential campaign, she was nonetheless scolded by Mr Trump for her admission.

The President is said to have asked Ms Hicks "how she could be so stupid," CNN's Erin Burnett reported. The news anchor suggested that "was the final straw for Hope Hicks."

[cwolff]

"Why didn't you stick to the story we made up!?"

Nice one Donald

[Methais]

http://i.giphy.com/12W8rdLamzhcwE.gif

[Androidpk]

Mueller readying new criminal charges.

https://www.msnbc.com/mtp-daily/watch/mueller-prepares-indictments-on-dnc-and-podesta-hacking-1174466115518?cid=sm_npd_ms_tw_ma

[Neveragain]

Bernie Sanders fined for colluding with foreign powers in 2016 election

http://www.newsweek.com/bernie-sanders-campaign-illegal-contribution-828044

[cwolff]

Bernie Sanders fined for colluding with foreign powers in 2016 election

http://www.newsweek.com/bernie-sanders-campaign-illegal-contribution-828044

Glad to see the FEC at work.

[Neveragain]

Glad to see the FEC at work.

It will be a nice little nugget to recall if the Bern decides to run again, I'm having my doubts that he will.

[cwolff]

It will be a nice little nugget to recall if the Bern decides to run again, I'm having my doubts that he will.

Hopefully he won't run. I'd like to see some new blood anyway

[Wrathbringer]

Hopefully he won't run. I'd like to see some new blood anyway

So you're excited to see someone new lose to Trump? Whatever floats your boat I guess. #4moreyears