Russia Investigation Heating Up

[cwolff]

the retardation is strong with you two this morning.

You don't ever actually say anything do you?

[Neveragain]

No it is no small thing. Trump has repeatedly denied that they meddled at all. He says he asked putin and putin said no. "how many times can I ask" he said. No no no dude. You're being revisionist. The whole world has known, but trump, backed up by his supporters, Fox News (except for Shep Smith) and the other propaganda outlets have been calling it a hoax. You people need to recognize. Just stop, take a deep breath and admit you've been on the wrong side of this thing to protect one man when you should have worried about protecting the country.

I didn't vote for Trump and I still feel better about the future of our country knowing Hillary Clinton never became president.

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[Wrathbringer]

I didn't vote for Trump and I still feel better about the future of our country knowing Hillary Clinton never became president.

https://media.giphy.com/media/amZfgEVrf84Xm/giphy.gif

This is correct.

[Back]

the retardation is strong with you two this morning.

Still upset over Obama?

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[Wrathbringer]

Still upset over Obama?

Back...you lost, okay? America rejected your view of it. You calling me salty is like cwolff calling someone a retard.

[Parkbandit]

No it is no small thing. Trump has repeatedly denied that they meddled at all. He says he asked putin and putin said no. "how many times can I ask" he said. No no no dude. You're being revisionist. The whole world has known, but trump, backed up by his supporters, Fox News (except for Shep Smith) and the other propaganda outlets have been calling it a hoax. You people need to recognize. Just stop, take a deep breath and admit you've been on the wrong side of this thing to protect one man when you should have worried about protecting the country.

It's like you only want to hear what you believe.

I'll dumb this down as far as possible for your simplistic mind:

The Russians have been "meddling" in our elections for decades. This was never really in question. There have been TWO points of contention:

1) Russian meddling cost Hillary Clinton the election.
2) Trump colluded with the Russians to win the election.

So far, there is no evidence of either 1) or 2)

[Parkbandit]

It's not over yet. Mueller will continue to peel back the layers on this thing until he gets to the big prize.

Meanwhile people like Methais will believe the current Russian propaganda going around that the FBI is fabricating all this to orchestrate a coup against Trump.

And people like Backlash will believe that the only reason Hillary lost the election was because of Russia and that Trump colluded with Russia.

You've been fed a big giant cock.. and you're all too happy to comply.

Come up for air kid.. you're choking...

[Back]

And people like Backlash will believe that the only reason Hillary lost the election was because of Russia and that Trump colluded with Russia.

You've been fed a big giant cock.. and you're all too happy to comply.

Come up for air kid.. you're choking...

Are you at all embarrassed that you've been mindlessly echoing Russian propaganda for the past 4 years?

[Neveragain]

Are you at all embarrassed that you've been mindlessly echoing Russian propaganda for the past 4 years?

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[Parkbandit]

Are you at all embarrassed that you've been mindlessly echoing Russian propaganda for the past 4 years?

Are you at all embarrassed that the best excuse the Dems could come up with is "It's Russia's fault" and you happily swallowed it whole?

This was after your girl Hillary used her magic reset button to reset Russian relations.. and after your boy Obama said that the 1980's called.. Russia isn't a threat anymore...

Literally, you have to be the absolute dumbest of the dumb people to continue to believe in Russian collusion at this point.

Not surprised you still are solid in that camp.

[Back]

Are you at all embarrassed that the best excuse the Dems could come up with is "It's Russia's fault" and you happily swallowed it whole?

This was after your girl Hillary used her magic reset button to reset Russian relations.. and after your boy Obama said that the 1980's called.. Russia isn't a threat anymore...

Literally, you have to be the absolute dumbest of the dumb people to continue to believe in Russian collusion at this point.

Not surprised you still are solid in that camp.

Not surprised you are still in living in your own little fantasy world of denial because reality is too scary for your tiny little brain to comprehend. The portrait you paint is of a person you have constructed in your imagination to target the frustration of your own failures upon.

[Taernath]

The Russians have been "meddling" in our elections for decades. This was never really in question. There have been TWO points of contention:

1) Russian meddling cost Hillary Clinton the election.
2) Trump colluded with the Russians to win the election.

So far, there is no evidence of either 1) or 2)

Do you believe that Russia was meddling in this last election for both sides, or only one?

[Neveragain]

Not surprised you are still in living in your own little fantasy world of denial because reality is too scary for your tiny little brain to comprehend. The portrait you paint is of a person you have constructed in your imagination to target the frustration of your own failures upon.

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[Methais]

It's not over yet. Mueller will continue to peel back the layers on this thing until he gets to the big prize.

Meanwhile people like Methais will believe the current Russian propaganda going around that the FBI is fabricating all this to orchestrate a coup against Trump.


You don't ever actually say anything do you?


Are you at all embarrassed that you've been mindlessly echoing Russian propaganda for the past 4 years?

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& lol @ your virtue signaling sig

Backlash is a white supremacist.

[Parkbandit]

Not surprised you are still in living in your own little fantasy world of denial because reality is too scary for your tiny little brain to comprehend. The portrait you paint is of a person you have constructed in your imagination to target the frustration of your own failures upon.

https://media.giphy.com/media/2iBsieTJ3eO1q/giphy.gif

[Parkbandit]

Do you believe that Russia was meddling in this last election for both sides, or only one?

According to the indictments, it seems that it was both sides.

[Latrinsorm]

It's like you only want to hear what you believe.

I'll dumb this down as far as possible for your simplistic mind:

The Russians have been "meddling" in our elections for decades. This was never really in question. There have been TWO points of contention:

1) Russian meddling cost Hillary Clinton the election.
2) Trump colluded with the Russians to win the election.

So far, there is no evidence of either 1) or 2)"I mean, it could be Russia. But it could also be China. It could also be lots of other people. It also could be somebody sitting on their bed that weighs 400 pounds, okay?"
"Every time [Putin] sees me, he says, 'I didn't do that,' and I believe, I really believe, that when he tells me that, he means it."
"[Putin] said he didn't meddle. He said he didn't meddle. I asked him again. You can only ask so many times. But I just asked him again, and he said he absolutely did not meddle in our election. He did not do what they're saying he did."
"So you look at it — I mean, you have Brennan, you have Clapper, and you have Comey. Comey is proven now to be a liar and he's proven to be a leaker. So you look at that, and you have President Putin very strongly, vehemently, says he had nothing to do with that."
"Even if you believe Russia 'did' it..."
"Well, that's it! He has shown the proof, the Russians really DID hack our election in favor of Trump! Solid, undeniable proof."

Seems pretty contentious to me.

[Rheisia]

"I mean, it could be Russia. But it could also be China. It could also be lots of other people. It also could be somebody sitting on their bed that weighs 400 pounds, okay?"
"Every time [Putin] sees me, he says, 'I didn't do that,' and I believe, I really believe, that when he tells me that, he means it."
"[Putin] said he didn't meddle. He said he didn't meddle. I asked him again. You can only ask so many times. But I just asked him again, and he said he absolutely did not meddle in our election. He did not do what they're saying he did."
"So you look at it — I mean, you have Brennan, you have Clapper, and you have Comey. Comey is proven now to be a liar and he's proven to be a leaker. So you look at that, and you have President Putin very strongly, vehemently, says he had nothing to do with that."
"Even if you believe Russia 'did' it..."
"Well, that's it! He has shown the proof, the Russians really DID hack our election in favor of Trump! Solid, undeniable proof."

Seems pretty contentious to me.

And keep in mind that several people on his campaign (including all of the top campaign officials/his own son and son-in-law) had been approached by Russians offering Clinton's emails and clearly telling them that Russia was trying to get him elected.

And he had also received several Intelligence briefings as a candidate that told him as much as well. (And he was warned that Russians would try to approach his campaign by the FBI)

So the question is- since he knew for a fact that Russia was trying to get him elected...why did he never report it, and why has he and his campaign spent so much time denying it?

[Parkbandit]

And keep in mind that several people on his campaign (including all of the top campaign officials/his own son and son-in-law) had been approached by Russians offering Clinton's emails and clearly telling them that Russia was trying to get him elected.

And he had also received several Intelligence briefings as a candidate that told him as much as well. (And he was warned that Russians would try to approach his campaign by the FBI)

So the question is- since he knew for a fact that Russia was trying to get him elected...why did he never report it, and why has he and his campaign spent so much time denying it?

You should look up the word "fact" since you are using it wrong.

Sorry.

And since this has been happening since 2014 (according to the indictments), where was President Obama on this? Oh, I know:

https://i.imgur.com/0250W1b.gif

[Androidpk]

From "Russia messing with the election is a vast left wing conspiracy, fake news!" to, "Russia always messes with our elections, who cares!"

[Wrathbringer]

From "Russia messing with the election is a vast left wing conspiracy, fake news!" to, "Russia always messes with our elections, who cares!"

No, collusion was the conspiracy. And yes, everyone meddles in everyone's elections. It's not news. But dont let me stop you from tarding out.

[Gelston]

No, collusion was the conspiracy. And yes, everyone meddles in everyone's elections. It's not news. But dont let me stop you from tarding out.

Sometimes, on a rare day, Wrathbringer says something isn't shart or fart related and sounds semi-intelligent.

[Back]

Sometimes, on a rare day, Wrathbringer says something isn't shart or fart related and sounds semi-intelligent.

About as often as you do which is never.

I'm hearing "They always meddle so what?" Really? Thats such a chickenshit response. I feel like people who say that don't give a fuck about country or anyone else. Just trying, and failing miserably, to cover themselves from looking like complete idiots.

[Gelston]

About as often as you do which is never.

I'm hearing "They always meddle so what?" Really? Thats such a chickenshit response. I feel like people who say that don't give a fuck about country or anyone else. Just trying, and failing miserably, to cover themselves from looking like complete idiots.

Back coming back showing he can't read. The EXACT quote from WB answers this, idiot.

[Androidpk]

So how about those Russian sanctions now?

[Gelston]

So how about those Russian sanctions now?

300 dead Russians, Thank you President Trump!

[Androidpk]

300 dead Russians, Thank you President Trump!

Those aren't sanctions..

[Gelston]

Those aren't sanctions..

No, it is better. They are dead Russians.

[Androidpk]

No, it is better. They are dead Russians.

Okay..

[Gelston]

Okay..

If we take out 100 million more, there won't be a Russia. Problem solved forever.

How many Russians did Obama kill?

[Androidpk]

Trump says that the Russian operation starting in 2014 is proof that he's innocent.

https://i.imgur.com/gDErnrq.jpg

[Rheisia]

You should look up the word "fact" since you are using it wrong.

Sorry.

And since this has been happening since 2014 (according to the indictments), where was President Obama on this? Oh, I know:

https://i.imgur.com/0250W1b.gif

This paragraph is from one of the emails sent to Don Jr re: Trump Tower Meeting:

"This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr Trump – helped along by Aras and Emin."

Also Obama tried to get an official government warning out about the Russian meddling, but McConnell blocked him. So it's odd to place the blame squarely on him.

[Parkbandit]

From "Russia messing with the election is a vast left wing conspiracy, fake news!" to, "Russia always messes with our elections, who cares!"

I think I've been very clear about Russia. I don't think they helped Hillary lose the election and I don't think the Trump Administration colluded with them to fix the election.

So far, I've been correct on both counts.

[Parkbandit]

This paragraph is from one of the emails sent to Don Jr re: Trump Tower Meeting:

"This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr Trump – helped along by Aras and Emin."

So.. still no colluding. Shocker.


Also Obama tried to get an official government warning out about the Russian meddling, but McConnell blocked him. So it's odd to place the blame squarely on him.

Who placed the blame squarely on Obama? Oh, no one. I simply pointed out for 2 years Obama did nothing but whisper to him 'Hey, after I get elected, I can be more flexible'...

[Parkbandit]

Trump says that the Russian operation starting in 2014 is proof that he's innocent.

https://i.imgur.com/gDErnrq.jpg

OMG!

IT'S THE SMOKING GUN!

YOU DID IT PK! YOU SOLVED THE CASE!!!

Tell your sources a big thank you from all of us.

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[Methais]

But dont let me stop you from tarding out.

As if anyone can stop that from happening.

I bet cwolff chimes in next with a bunch of extra stupid.

[cwolff]

From "Russia messing with the election is a vast left wing conspiracy, fake news!" to, "Russia always messes with our elections, who cares!"


This paragraph is from one of the emails sent to Don Jr re: Trump Tower Meeting:

"This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr Trump – helped along by Aras and Emin."

Also Obama tried to get an official government warning out about the Russian meddling, but McConnell blocked him. So it's odd to place the blame squarely on him.

Even though we've known all along that our alt-righters would try to weasel out of the things they've said, it's still shocking to see it. They will never just man up and say, "Ya, I was wrong. Totally wrong."

[Androidpk]

Even though we've known all along that our alt-righters would try to weasel out of the things they've said, it's still shocking to see it. They will never just man up and say, "Ya, I was wrong. Totally wrong."

They can't even offer up anything of substance to refute what happened, can only reply with grade school level insults and slander.

[Gelston]

As if anyone can stop that from happening.

I bet cwolff chimes in next with a bunch of extra stupid.

Wow, you were 100% correct. Are you cwolff?


They can't even offer up anything of substance to refute what happened, can only reply with grade school level insults and slander.

It has been said like 345234523 times. Support isn't the same as collusion.

[cwolff]

They can't even offer up anything of substance to refute what happened, can only reply with grade school level insults and slander.

Ya, They never will. They're slippery little fish. Even when little Don meets with an agent of the Russian government to get sensitive information advertised as coming from the Russian government they made excuses. At the end of all this, if trump goes down, they will only say, "I never even liked trump, I just like seeing libtards get upset, but I never actually supported him."

[Rheisia]

[QUOTE=Gelston

It has been said like 345234523 times. Support isn't the same as collusion.[/QUOTE]

And what were they supporting them on again?

[Gelston]

And what were they supporting them on again?

You need some Russia support on quoting.

[Androidpk]

The special counsels investigation was never just about collusion.

[Gelston]

The special counsels investigation was never just about collusion.

Well, support isn't illegal so..

[Rheisia]

Well, support isn't illegal so..

Depends on what the support is for. Supporting someone in their cyber crimes, for examples, is illegal. Also supporting them in efforts to illegally meddle in an election can be charged as Conspiracy.

[Androidpk]

Well, support isn't illegal so..

Conspiracy is illegal, as is obstruction.

[Gelston]

Depends on what the support is for. Supporting someone in their cyber crimes, for examples, is illegal. Also supporting them in efforts to illegally meddle in an election can be charged as Conspiracy.

No, that'd be collusion.

[Taernath]

Well, support isn't illegal so..

pssst

https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/11/110.20

[Gelston]

pssst

https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/11/110.20

Perhaps I should have said "Politically voiced support" rather than "tossing money at" support. I thought that was obvious?

[Androidpk]

No, that'd be collusion.

Collusion can exist without criminal conspiracy but you can't have a criminal conspiracy without collusion. If Trump, Jr, Kushner, etc are charged with a crime it's not going to be collusion, it's going to be conspiracy.

[cwolff]

We already have collusion. The Don Jr meeting and the resulting coverup concocted by the president on Air Force One. Beyond that we have impeachable offenses by the president. His consistent defense of putin while attacking basically everyone else in the world, despite his intelligence community saying that Russia attacked even hacked our elections. There's a gross dereliction of duty here, a collaboration that doesn't require a smoking gun. Along those lines we have the trump led government doing nothing to protect us from this happening again. That's his job. It's pretty basic and fundamental to being president. He won't even allow the overwhelmingly bi partisan sanctions.

And let's not forget trump publicly calling for the Russians to hack Hillary, for WikiLeaks to do their thing. Remember this, "I love wikilieaks". He got out on the campaign trail and encouraged espionage against the USA.

The only response the right has is to say that Mueller's been investigating since May 2017 and there's no evidence of collusion. Obviously that's a bullshit argument. The investigation is still occurring. They know it's bullshit so why are they saying it and why are their minions carrying this torch? This also highlights the obstruction of justice case and the interference the GOP is running, the counter attacks they are pre-emptively hitting Mueller with. The Nunes bullshit memo.

Like the family values preacher who gets busted banging little boys, it's the wrapped in the flag, support the troops type of American who's loudest in defense of trump. It makes me sick.

[Gelston]

Collusion can exist without criminal conspiracy but you can't have a criminal conspiracy without collusion. If Trump, Jr, Kushner, etc are charged with a crime it's not going to be collusion, it's going to be conspiracy.

Collusion cannot exist without illegal activities, because in it of itself is illegal.


We already have collusion. The Don Jr meeting and the resulting coverup concocted by the president on Air Force One. Beyond that we have impeachable offenses by the president. His consistent defense of putin while attacking basically everyone else in the world, despite his intelligence community saying that Russia attacked even hacked our elections. There's a gross dereliction of duty here, a collaboration that doesn't require a smoking gun. Along those lines we have the trump led government doing nothing to protect us from this happening again. That's his job. It's pretty basic and fundamental to being president. He won't even allow the overwhelmingly bi partisan sanctions.

And let's not forget trump publicly calling for the Russians to hack Hillary, for WikiLeaks to do their thing. Remember this, "I love wikilieaks". He got out on the campaign trail and encouraged espionage against the USA.

The only response the right has is to say that Mueller's been investigating since May 2017 and there's no evidence of collusion. Obviously that's a bullshit argument. The investigation is still occurring. They know it's bullshit so why are they saying it and why are their minions carrying this torch? This also highlights the obstruction of justice case and the interference the GOP is running, the counter attacks they are pre-emptively hitting Mueller with. The Nunes bullshit memo.

Like the family values preacher who gets busted banging little boys, it's the wrapped in the flag, support the troops type of American who's loudest in defense of trump. It makes me sick.

Oh do we? go ahead and tell Mueller to charge them already, since you've already cracked the case and know the most.

[Androidpk]

Show me the federal law stating collusion is a crime. I'll wait.

[Gelston]

Show me the federal law stating collusion is a crime. I'll wait.

You could start by reading the definition of collusion.

[Androidpk]

We already have collusion. The Don Jr meeting and the resulting coverup concocted by the president on Air Force One. Beyond that we have impeachable offenses by the president. His consistent defense of putin while attacking basically everyone else in the world, despite his intelligence community saying that Russia attacked even hacked our elections. There's a gross dereliction of duty here, a collaboration that doesn't require a smoking gun. Along those lines we have the trump led government doing nothing to protect us from this happening again. That's his job. It's pretty basic and fundamental to being president. He won't even allow the overwhelmingly bi partisan sanctions.

And let's not forget trump publicly calling for the Russians to hack Hillary, for WikiLeaks to do their thing. Remember this, "I love wikilieaks". He got out on the campaign trail and encouraged espionage against the USA.

The only response the right has is to say that Mueller's been investigating since May 2017 and there's no evidence of collusion. Obviously that's a bullshit argument. The investigation is still occurring. They know it's bullshit so why are they saying it and why are their minions carrying this torch? This also highlights the obstruction of justice case and the interference the GOP is running, the counter attacks they are pre-emptively hitting Mueller with. The Nunes bullshit memo.

Like the family values preacher who gets busted banging little boys, it's the wrapped in the flag, support the troops type of American who's loudest in defense of trump. It makes me sick.

Don't forget this bit:

Jared Kushner and Russia’s ambassador to Washington discussed the possibility of setting up a secret and secure communications channel between Trump’s transition team and the Kremlin, using Russian diplomatic facilities in an apparent move to shield their pre-inauguration discussions from monitoring, according to U.S. officials briefed on intelligence reports.


Ambassador Sergey Kislyak reported to his superiors in Moscow that Kushner, son-in-law and confidant to then-President-elect Trump, made the proposal during a meeting on Dec. 1 or 2 at Trump Tower, according to intercepts of Russian communications that were reviewed by U.S. officials. Kislyak said Kushner suggested using Russian diplomatic facilities in the United States for the communications.

Foreign policy experts and former officials told The Washington Post such a request of the Russians would be inappropriate unless carefully coordinated with the Obama administration, which was in office at the time. They said any secret communications could have left Kushner vulnerable to manipulation by Russian officials.


Kushner’s meeting with Kislyak was not initially disclosed when Trump’s son-in-law sought a security clearance. Media reports revealed the meeting, along with another private session Kushner had with a representative of a Russian bank.


“If you’re going to create a back channel that relies solely on the Russian communications and apparatus, that’s a really serious issue,” said Mark Lowenthal, a former assistant director at the CIA. “That’s extremely dangerous.”

[Androidpk]

You could start by reading the definition of collusion.

What's the matter, can't find that federal law?

[cwolff]

You could start by reading the definition of collusion.

I think it's worth recognizing that we don't know what charges will be brought, what the words on the indictment will read. Obviously there's already lying to the FBI. I don't know the word for that or the legal language to describe it.

Collusion is not just the charge people are laying at Trumps feet it's also a catch all to account for nefarious actions by the trump campaign. Arguing about collusion is like arguing Kleenex vs. a tissue to try to say you didn't sneeze. Only by being willfully ignorant and willing to stand by your man at all costs can one get lost in the weeds like this.

[Taernath]

According to the indictments, it seems that it was both sides.

I haven't seen anything that said Hillary was being supported by Russians. A recent indictment (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/02/17/indictment-russians-also-tried-help-bernie-sanders-jill-stein-presidential-campaigns/348051002/) claims that Stein and Sanders were helped, but it seems to have been a concerted effort to keep Clinton out of the White House.

[cwolff]

Don't forget this bit:

Jared Kushner and Russia’s ambassador to Washington discussed the possibility of setting up a secret and secure communications channel between Trump’s transition team and the Kremlin, using Russian diplomatic facilities in an apparent move to shield their pre-inauguration discussions from monitoring, according to U.S. officials briefed on intelligence reports.


Ambassador Sergey Kislyak reported to his superiors in Moscow that Kushner, son-in-law and confidant to then-President-elect Trump, made the proposal during a meeting on Dec. 1 or 2 at Trump Tower, according to intercepts of Russian communications that were reviewed by U.S. officials. Kislyak said Kushner suggested using Russian diplomatic facilities in the United States for the communications.

Foreign policy experts and former officials told The Washington Post such a request of the Russians would be inappropriate unless carefully coordinated with the Obama administration, which was in office at the time. They said any secret communications could have left Kushner vulnerable to manipulation by Russian officials.


Kushner’s meeting with Kislyak was not initially disclosed when Trump’s son-in-law sought a security clearance. Media reports revealed the meeting, along with another private session Kushner had with a representative of a Russian bank.


“If you’re going to create a back channel that relies solely on the Russian communications and apparatus, that’s a really serious issue,” said Mark Lowenthal, a former assistant director at the CIA. “That’s extremely dangerous.”

Oh ya, The whole thing stinks to high heaven. They also have a weird thing where they meet with foreign leaders without taking an American interpreter. Trump did it with Putin and Tillerson just did it with Erdogan. One has to ask, "Whose side ARE they on?"

[cwolff]

I haven't seen anything that said Hillary was being supported by Russians. A recent indictment (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/02/17/indictment-russians-also-tried-help-bernie-sanders-jill-stein-presidential-campaigns/348051002/) claims that Stein and Sanders were helped, but it seems to have been a concerted effort to keep Clinton out of the White House.

Exactly. The Russians did anything as long as it hurt Hillary.

[Rheisia]

Oh ya, The whole thing stinks to high heaven. They also have a weird thing where they meet with foreign leaders without taking an American interpreter. Trump did it with Putin and Tillerson just did it with Erdogan. One has to ask, "Whose side ARE they on?"

Also the first thing the Trump administration did when they got into office was to try to roll back the Russian sanctions that were levied specifically for the election meddling.

And then he recently refused to levy additional sanctions as required by Congress.

If anyone is curious- this is what collusion looks like.

Side A provides Side B with what they want

Side B provides Side A with what they want.

[Gelston]

The next thing Trump did in office was kill 300 Russian in Syria.

[Androidpk]

The next thing Trump did in office was kill 300 Russian in Syria.

You mean the US Airforce, Army and Marines.

[Androidpk]

but it seems to have been a concerted effort to keep Clinton out of the White House.

Considering what she did in Libya, yes.

I think I've linked this before but it's worth the watch.

http://www.pbs.org/video/putins-revenge-mzz1lp/

[cwolff]

The next thing Trump did in office was kill 300 Russian in Syria.

That's not true. US forces repelled an attack. That's true.

Did they call trump and tell him they'd retreat unless he ordered them to counter attack?

[cwolff]

Also the first thing the Trump administration did when they got into office was to try to roll back the Russian sanctions that were levied specifically for the election meddling.

And then he recently refused to levy additional sanctions as required by Congress.

If anyone is curious- this is what collusion looks like.

Side A provides Side B with what they want

Side B provides Side A with what they want.

Exactly. Public domain evidence is enough to hang this potus for negligence and outright cowardice in the face of the enemy. Unfortunately it's politics first, nation second.

[Gelston]

That's not true. US forces repelled an attack. That's true.

Did they call trump and tell him they'd retreat unless he ordered them to counter attack?

They knew in advance the Russians were advancing. They contacting Russia 20 minutes prior to pull those dudes back.

If Trump were really all about Russia, we wouldn't have shit in Syria in the first place and we'd have pulled out and just let Russia have it all. We didn't do that. We've intensified operations in Syria. No, Trump didn't personally go and do that, but his policy of continued operations in the country did.

[Androidpk]

They knew in advance the Russians were advancing. They contacting Russia 20 minutes prior to pull those dudes back.

If Trump were really all about Russia, we wouldn't have shit in Syria in the first place and we'd have pulled out and just let Russia have it all. We didn't do that. We've intensified operations in Syria. No, Trump didn't personally go and do that, but his policy of continued operations in the country did.

So where are the sanctions?

[Gelston]

So where are the sanctions?

Where is Obama's dead Russian count? I mean, the Sanctions are coming, no ifs, ands, or buts. Hell, there are already a ton of them there.

[Androidpk]

Where is Obama's dead Russian count? I mean, the Sanctions are coming, no ifs, ands, or buts. Hell, there are already a ton of them there.

Nice deflection.

[cwolff]

Where is Obama's dead Russian count? I mean, the Sanctions are coming, no ifs, ands, or buts. Hell, there are already a ton of them there.

Sanctions trump tried to ditch but found it politically unfeasible. Sanctions that trump hasn't enforced. Russians didn't probe US Troops like this when Obama was President.

[Neveragain]

Sanctions trump tried to ditch but found it politically unfeasible. Sanctions that trump hasn't enforced. Russians didn't probe US Troops like this when Obama was President.


In December 2014, Ukraine halted all train and bus services to Crimea. On 16 September 2015 the Ukrainian parliament voted for the law that sets 20 February 2014 as the official date of the Russian temporary occupation of Crimean peninsula. On 7 October 2015 the President of Ukraine signed the law into force.

https://media.giphy.com/media/wIxBzHWegpOUM/giphy.gif

[Gelston]

Sanctions trump tried to ditch but found it politically unfeasible. Sanctions that trump hasn't enforced. Russians didn't probe US Troops like this when Obama was President.

We weren't in Syria in force when Obama was President. Because when the Syrians crossed the line, he moved the line further. He mostly left all the ground stuff to the Russians. March 2017 though, guess what happens? We start landing Marines in that bitch.

[Taernath]

We weren't in Syria in force when Obama was President. Because when the Syrians crossed the line, he moved the line further. He mostly left all the ground stuff to the Russians. March 2017 though, guess what happens? We start landing Marines in that bitch.

The Marines were there to fight ISIS, not government backed troops. They've since returned.

[cwolff]

We weren't in Syria in force when Obama was President. Because when the Syrians crossed the line, he moved the line further. He mostly left all the ground stuff to the Russians. March 2017 though, guess what happens? We start landing Marines in that bitch.

I don't disagree with that. I do disagree with your idea that trump killed Russians as proof that he's not putins puppet or that since Obama didn't kill Russians but Russians died while trump is president as some more proof of something. It's a dead end or rather a no end/no beginning argument in defense of trump.

Why the fuck are any americans defending trump anyway? Haven't you seen enough to start asking questions about what this guy is all about?

[Androidpk]

Why the fuck are any americans defending trump anyway? Haven't you seen enough to start asking questions about what this guy is all about?

Political party over country.

[Latrinsorm]

I think I've been very clear about Russia. I don't think they helped Hillary lose the election and I don't think the Trump Administration colluded with them to fix the election.

So far, I've been correct on both counts.:lol:

[Rheisia]

Political party over country.

In a very dangerous way. I don't know that we've ever seen the political party over country thing with these sorts of risks and consequences.

What's really interesting is that the only person who has done more damage to US Democratic institutions than Putin this year has been...Trump.

Putin is definitely getting a huge return on his investment.

[cwolff]

Let's keep it simple: Kremlin helped elect Trump. Trump's folks met with Russians. Everybody on Team Trump lied about this. Now....justice.

John Schindler @20committee

[Androidpk]

John Schindler @20committee

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DWSX58gVMAAScZg.jpg

[cwolff]

Donald J. Trump‏
Verified account
@realDonaldTrump

Very sad that the FBI missed all of the many signals sent out by the Florida school shooter. This is not acceptable. They are spending too much time trying to prove Russian collusion with the Trump campaign - there is no collusion. Get back to the basics and make us all proud!

This dude is seriously messed up.

[Taernath]

This dude is seriously messed up.

His first response to the shooting was about how it shouldn't be politicized. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Velfi]

Politicizing only applies to disagreement.

[Androidpk]

https://i.imgur.com/oa8472P.jpg

[cwolff]

They're going to nail people on crimes not named collusion and he'll be reduced to babbling at the cameras, "but collusion...no collusion" like a broken old man in some Shakespeare play.

[cwolff]

Even though I believe Mueller has jackshit; the only remaining nagging itch of suspicion is from Trump himself. I mean why the fuck does this guy constantly scream to all high heaven that there was no collusion and "I didn't do it" all the fucking time, we heard you the first 100 times... but he's constantly going on and on, just shut the fuck up! PLEASE! There comes a point when you sound desperate; like you're trying to hide something.

Ya,,,it's odd for sure. He's a man who can't control his weaker impulses and I have to assume that every single person in the WH tells him not to respond to this shit. I wonder if he's any good at poker?

[Androidpk]

If Trump was innocent as he claims to be he'd be praising Mueller, the FBI and the intelligence community and working with Congress to strengthen cyber security and our election systems and enacting tough sanctions on Putin and Russia, not the complete fucking opposite.

[Wrathbringer]

It's hilarious watching you two tards have a discussion with necro.

[cwolff]

It's hilarious watching you two tards have a discussion with necro.

Necro has something to say. You don't. Be more like Necro, less like you

[cwolff]

Nice Breakdown of the collusion here:

— Former Trump campaign adviser George Papadopoulos pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI about talking in April 2016 to a professor with close ties to the Kremlin who told Papadopoulos that Moscow had "dirt" on Hillary Clinton. The professor told him about thousands of emails the Russians had from the Clinton campaign.
— Donald Trump Jr., Trump son-in-law Jared Kushner, and former campaign chairman Paul Manafort met with a Russian attorney at Trump Tower in June 2016 after being promised "dirt" on Clinton. The campaign later communicated to meeting organizers that they were disappointed they didn't get what they were promised.
— In July 2017, the president and White House advisers put together a misleading statement about the nature of the Trump Tower meeting, saying that it was for the purpose of discussing Russian adoptions.
— The Trump campaign knew through Papadopoulos that the Russians had obtained thousands of emails from the Clinton campaign. Then-candidate Trump publicly asked the Russians in July 2016 to hack Clinton and find her "30,000 emails that are missing" from the personal email server she used while secretary of State. WikiLeaks began posting emails from the Clinton campaign in October, just weeks before the November election.
— Former White House national security adviser Michael Flynn held secret conversations with Russian officials in December 2016 during the presidential transition period, promising to undermine sanctions imposed against Russia by the Obama administration for meddling in the U.S. election. Flynn pleaded guilty late last year to lying to the FBI about those conversations.

"All of this is evidence of collusion," said Schiff, a former federal prosecutor. "Now, I've never said that there was proof beyond a reasonable doubt. That's for Bob Mueller to decide. But to say there's no evidence of collusion, you'd have to ignore all this."
Mueller is investigating Russian interference in the 2016 election, possible collusion between the Trump campaign and the Russians, and possible obstruction of justice by the president.
"If this were a trial on the issue of did the Trump campaign conspire with the Russians to interfere or violate U.S. election laws by providing help to the Trump campaign, if this were a trial on that conspiracy charge...all of that evidence would come in as evidence of collusion," Schiff said.

[Parkbandit]

They can't even offer up anything of substance to refute what happened, can only reply with grade school level insults and slander.

But slander is false statements though...

What you should have said is "Waa! They keep picking on me! I'm a victim!"

[Androidpk]

But slander is false statements though...

Thanks for pointing out the obvious.

[Parkbandit]

Also the first thing the Trump administration did when they got into office was to try to roll back the Russian sanctions that were levied specifically for the election meddling.

And then he recently refused to levy additional sanctions as required by Congress.

If anyone is curious- this is what hyper partisan witch hunts looks like.



Corrected for accuracy.

[Parkbandit]

They're going to nail people on crimes not named collusion and he'll be reduced to babbling at the cameras, "but collusion...no collusion" like a broken old man in some Shakespeare play.

I believe this is the closest you've come to admitting that there was never any collusion.

Baby steps.

[Parkbandit]

Thanks for pointing out the obvious.

Where has anyone said anything false about you in this thread?

Poor little victim you :(

[Parkbandit]

R u the gay?

Sorry, I've already told you I'm not interested.

You should seriously do the gay porn though. If they Photoshop your face out and enhance your body.. should be passable.

[Androidpk]

Where has anyone said anything false about you in this thread?

Poor little victim you :(

Your obsession with me is adorable.

[Parkbandit]

Your obsession with me is adorable.

Obsession?

Sorry, no.

Disgust?

Absolutely.

[Androidpk]

Obsession?

Sorry, no.

Disgust?

Absolutely.

Obsessed. You've been crying about this BS for the last 5 years? Either show us on the doll where I touched you or stop acting like a pussy and get over yourself.

[Androidpk]

Interesting write up here - http://observer.com/2018/02/kremlin-officials-began-planning-donald-trump-us-presidency-in-2014/


As the president tweeted on Saturday: “Funny how the Fake News Media doesn’t want to say that the Russian group was formed in 2014, long before my run for President. Maybe they knew I was going to run even though I didn’t know!”

This claim is absurd on its face. That Donald Trump floated the idea of running for the White House several times before he officially threw his hat in the ring on June 16, 2015, is a matter of public record. Moreover, he applied for a patent on his trademark slogan Make America Great Again back in November 2012, just six days after Barack Obama was reelected. Donald Trump’s Twitter feed between then and the official announcement of his candidacy included several references to his impending presidential run. The future candidate was re-tweeting others’ use of the #Trump2016 hashtag as far back as 2013, another indication that the White House was on Trump’s mind long before June 2015.

Then there’s highly classified intelligence demonstrating that Donald Trump was planning on running for the presidency—with Kremlin backing—years before the 2016 election. Back in the spring of 2014, a European intelligence service, a NATO ally of the United States, received a top-secret report that the Russians would back Donald Trump for the White House in the next election. The source was a mid-level Russian intelligence official who had plausible access to secret Kremlin plans.

Moreover, this source had a track record of providing accurate information, so his Trump bombshell merited examination. However, our partners determined that the notion was so absurd—after all, Trump was a reality TV star, a mere carnival barker, not a serious person—that the report had to be Russian disinformation. The source was put “on ice” for several months and his information was not shared with the Americans, since our friends didn’t want to appear so foolish as to suggest Donald Trump would run for president with secret Russian help.

[Rheisia]

Corrected for accuracy.

Your denial is fascinating. You are handing a President a blank check at this point- letting him do whatever he pleases with no consequences.

You're watching him:

1) fire the people investigating him and his campaign (including attempting to fire the special prosecutor- which is literally Nixon-level corruption)

2) try to convince the entire country that a foreign power didn't meddle in our elections (even though he knows for a fact they did) to keep said country from protecting itself

3) leverage the DoJ to go after political rivals (which is literally Putin-level corruption)

4) Attack critical democratic institutions and norms

5) Cozy up to the world's authoritarian dictators

6) Accuse people of treason for not applauding him (Even Putin doesn't do that)

And you're cheering him on.

The United States is supposed to exist long after this one person. You're watching him burn the kingdom down- which means you actually think this one human being is more important than our democracy, our sovereignty, and our rule of law. We'll be repairing the damage for a generation at least- all for four silly years. And one man who is uniquely bad at governing but uniquely good at destroying what he can't control.

I'm not a particularly political person by nature, but I've learned over the last year or so that I can't afford that stance any longer. You're an excellent reminder of why.

If nothing else, I'll thank you for that one.

[cwolff]

8907


Eric Garland
‏
Verified account

@ericgarland

Buried lede in the new one from @20committee: We have Kremlin SIGINT all about their conspiracy to get Trump elected. Pwned!

[Androidpk]

And you're cheering him on.

The only thing Parkbandit cares about in politics is the issue of R's vs D's. He's never once offered anything of substance beyond, "Democrats are retarded."

[Rheisia]

The only thing Parkbandit cares about in politics is the issue of R's vs D's. He's never once offered anything of substance beyond, "Democrats are retarded."

And yet, Trump routinely attacks the Republican party. I'm sure PB hates Ryan and McConnell.

There seems to be a group of people who are both drawn to authoritarian qualities in a leader and who have a deep-seated anger that Trump has tapped into.

Trump has engaged in a hostile takeover of the Republican party, but he's not the Republican party. If he were to break off from the GOP, about 20% of this country would follow him. I don't particularly know a lot about PB, but he strikes me as one of those people.

[cwolff]

And yet, Trump routinely attacks the Republican party. I'm sure PB hates Ryan and McConnell.

There seems to be a group of people who are both drawn to authoritarian qualities in a leader and who have a deep-seated anger that Trump has tapped into.

Trump has engaged in a hostile takeover of the Republican party, but he's not the Republican party. If he were to break off from the GOP, about 20% of this country would follow him. I don't particularly know a lot about PB, but he strikes me as one of those people.

Except for a few outliers; George Will, Kristol, Romney (?), the Bushes, Schwartz...and some others, the GOP has simply rolled over for trump and exposed their bellies like a submissive dog. Nothing Grand about the submission of the Grand Old Party. It's a shame because we do need a sensible conservative party. I guess we lost that a few years ago considering that moderates like Bush and Kasich get shit all over now a days and freaks like Cruz and Trump go head to head to be their new leader

[Rheisia]

Except for a few outliers; George Will, Kristol, Romney (?), the Bushes, Schwartz...and some others, the GOP has simply rolled over for trump and exposed their bellies like a submissive dog. Nothing Grand about the submission of the Grand Old Party. It's a shame because we do need a sensible conservative party. I guess we lost that a few years ago considering that moderates like Bush and Kasich get shit all over now a days and freaks like Cruz and Trump go head to head to be their new leader

They're just trying to keep their jobs. That doesn't excuse it, but most of us fight pretty hard to keep our jobs.

The one bright spot was how Republicans reacted to Mueller's latest indictments. I think a lot of them see a light at the end of the tunnel on that one. Once Trump's witch hunt/hoax spin starts falling apart, it opens up the possibility of Republicans turning on him. I think they all get that suddenly their stalling tactics and disinformation campaigns could turn into a liability pretty soon. Deep down inside, I'm betting that's what most of them want.

And if the Dems take the House, I think we'll see support for Trump start to collapse enough for any negative reports by Mueller to suddenly be taken very seriously.

Having said that, never underestimate what Trump is willing to do to avoid consequences. I don't think there's any moral core there, and I don't think he's actually capable of empathy for anyone he doesn't regard as his close family. (Even Melania doesn't seem to qualify) That's what worries me most. If he senses Republicans are turning on him, he'll get desperate.

There are only a few ways to suddenly get an entire country to rally around their leader, and all of them are scary.

[cwolff]

They're just trying to keep their jobs. That doesn't excuse it, but most of us fight pretty hard to keep our jobs.

The one bright spot was how Republicans reacted to Mueller's latest indictments. I think a lot of them see a light at the end of the tunnel on that one. Once Trump's witch hunt/hoax spin starts falling apart, it opens up the possibility of Republicans turning on him. I think they all get that suddenly their stalling tactics and disinformation campaigns could turn into a liability pretty soon. Deep down inside, I'm betting that's what most of them want.

And if the Dems take the House, I think we'll see support for Trump start to collapse enough for any negative reports by Mueller to suddenly be taken very seriously.

Having said that, never underestimate what Trump is willing to do to avoid consequences. I don't think there's any moral core there, and I don't think he's actually capable of empathy for anyone he doesn't regard as his close family. (Even Melania doesn't seem to qualify) That's what worries me most. If he senses Republicans are turning on him, he'll get desperate.

There are only a few ways to suddenly get an entire country to rally around their leader, and all of them are scary.

I fully expect things to get worse before they get better. For one thing we are utterly exposed to bad actors. The president is attacking his own intelligence community and the state dept. is in shambles. The rest of government is being cored from the inside out by cabinet level leaders who despise the institutions they're supposed to lead. The whole apparatus of government is weakening. Beyond that, a demagogue will false flag the hell out of something to stay in power. He just doesn't have it in him to gracefully bow out and go away if that time comes. It'll be scorched earth.

[Androidpk]

A former top aide to Donald Trump's presidential campaign will plead guilty to fraud-related charges within days – and has made clear to prosecutors that he would testify against Paul J. Manafort Jr., the lawyer-lobbyist who once managed the campaign.

The change of heart by Trump's former deputy campaign manager, Richard W. Gates III, who had pleaded not guilty after being indicted in October on charges similar to Manafort's, was described in interviews by people familiar with the case.

"Rick Gates is going to change his plea to guilty,'' said a person with direct knowledge of the new developments, adding that the revised plea will be presented in federal court in Washington "within the next few days.''

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-rick-gates-plea-deal-20180218-story.html

[Methais]

We'll be repairing the damage for a generation at least- all for four silly years. And one man who is uniquely bad at governing but uniquely good at destroying what he can't control.

But Obama was in office for 8 years, not 4. Try to keep up.

[Neveragain]

They're just trying to keep their jobs. That doesn't excuse it, but most of us fight pretty hard to keep our jobs.

The one bright spot was how Republicans reacted to Mueller's latest indictments. I think a lot of them see a light at the end of the tunnel on that one. Once Trump's witch hunt/hoax spin starts falling apart, it opens up the possibility of Republicans turning on him. I think they all get that suddenly their stalling tactics and disinformation campaigns could turn into a liability pretty soon. Deep down inside, I'm betting that's what most of them want.

And if the Dems take the House, I think we'll see support for Trump start to collapse enough for any negative reports by Mueller to suddenly be taken very seriously.

Having said that, never underestimate what Trump is willing to do to avoid consequences. I don't think there's any moral core there, and I don't think he's actually capable of empathy for anyone he doesn't regard as his close family. (Even Melania doesn't seem to qualify) That's what worries me most. If he senses Republicans are turning on him, he'll get desperate.

There are only a few ways to suddenly get an entire country to rally around their leader, and all of them are scary.

The only thing that could make this more precious is if another SCJ retires or passes.

[Parkbandit]

Obsessed. You've been crying about this BS for the last 5 years? Either show us on the doll where I touched you or stop acting like a pussy and get over yourself.

You seem to get very upset when I bring it up.

Dance, my little clown.. dance.

Also, thank you.

[Parkbandit]

Your denial is fascinating. You are handing a President a blank check at this point- letting him do whatever he pleases with no consequences.

You're watching him:

1) fire the people investigating him and his campaign (including attempting to fire the special prosecutor- which is literally Nixon-level corruption)

2) try to convince the entire country that a foreign power didn't meddle in our elections (even though he knows for a fact they did) to keep said country from protecting itself

3) leverage the DoJ to go after political rivals (which is literally Putin-level corruption)

4) Attack critical democratic institutions and norms

5) Cozy up to the world's authoritarian dictators

6) Accuse people of treason for not applauding him (Even Putin doesn't do that)

And you're cheering him on.

The United States is supposed to exist long after this one person. You're watching him burn the kingdom down- which means you actually think this one human being is more important than our democracy, our sovereignty, and our rule of law. We'll be repairing the damage for a generation at least- all for four silly years. And one man who is uniquely bad at governing but uniquely good at destroying what he can't control.

I'm not a particularly political person by nature, but I've learned over the last year or so that I can't afford that stance any longer. You're an excellent reminder of why.

If nothing else, I'll thank you for that one.

I don't hold any power over President Trump. All I did was vote for him over the worst candidate in my lifetime. If anyone is to blame for President Trump.. it's you. YOU enabled someone like Hillary Clinton to get the nomination.

You should be ashamed of yourself.

But.. the entertainment from people like you has been delicious. Thank you.

[Methais]

You seem to get very upset when I bring it up.

Dance, my little clown.. dance.

Also, thank you.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aX9MheXfEe4

[Gelston]

Are we sure Rheisia isn't time4fun? Like, she makes the exact same points and has the same posting style.

Why did you change your name?

[Rheisia]

Well given I have had this account since 2014, that would be quite the trick

[Gelston]

Well given I have had this account since 2014, that would be quite the trick

It is a trick to have had two accounts from 2014?

[Androidpk]

Washington (CNN)Special counsel Robert Mueller's interest in Jared Kushner has expanded beyond his contacts with Russia and now includes his efforts to secure financing for his company from foreign investors during the presidential transition, according to people familiar with the inquiry.

This is the first indication that Mueller is exploring Kushner's discussions with potential non-Russian foreign investors, including in China.
US officials briefed on the probe had told CNN in May that points of focus related to Kushner, the White House senior adviser and son-in-law of President Donald Trump, included the Trump campaign's 2016 data analytics operation, his relationship with former national security adviser Michael Flynn, and Kushner's own contacts with Russians.

Mueller's investigators have been asking questions, including during interviews in January and February, about Kushner's conversations during the transition to shore up financing for 666 Fifth Avenue, a Kushner Companies-backed New York City office building reeling from financial troubles, according to people familiar with the special counsel investigation.

[Androidpk]

"He was just a low level staffer, I don't even know him!"

[Wrathbringer]

Washington (CNN)Special counsel Robert Mueller's interest in Jared Kushner has expanded beyond his contacts with Russia and now includes his efforts to secure financing for his company from foreign investors during the presidential transition, according to people familiar with the inquiry.

This is the first indication that Mueller is exploring Kushner's discussions with potential non-Russian foreign investors, including in China.
US officials briefed on the probe had told CNN in May that points of focus related to Kushner, the White House senior adviser and son-in-law of President Donald Trump, included the Trump campaign's 2016 data analytics operation, his relationship with former national security adviser Michael Flynn, and Kushner's own contacts with Russians.

Mueller's investigators have been asking questions, including during interviews in January and February, about Kushner's conversations during the transition to shore up financing for 666 Fifth Avenue, a Kushner Companies-backed New York City office building reeling from financial troubles, according to people familiar with the special counsel investigation.

You're retarded.

[Androidpk]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DWaQxQhXkAA4Xls.jpg

[Wrathbringer]

Are we sure Rheisia isn't time4fun? Like, she makes the exact same points and has the same posting style.

Why did you change your name?

I thought the same thing. Confirmed: Rheisia is time4fun

[Wrathbringer]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DWaQxQhXkAA4Xls.jpg

still retarded

[Androidpk]

https://i.redd.it/ncj3ggowt7h01.jpg

[Wrathbringer]

You just keep upping the retard level with each post. Amazing.

[Gelston]

That should read "Worst Photoshop Ever"

[Androidpk]

Some excellent commentary on the recent Kushner news by Preet Bharara.

http://www.cnn.com/videos/tv/2018/02/19/lead-bharara-russia-investigation-mueller-jared-kushner-rick-gates-live.cnn

[Androidpk]

After months of criticizing special counsel Robert Mueller’s Russia probe, President Donald Trump’s supporters are issuing increasingly bold calls for presidential pardons to limit the investigation’s impact.


“I think he should be pardoning anybody who’s been indicted and make it clear that anybody else who gets indicted would be pardoned immediately,” said Frederick Fleitz, a former CIA analyst and senior vice president at the conservative Center for Security Policy.


The pleas for mercy mainly extend to the four former Trump aides who have already been swept up in the Russia probe: former campaign manager Paul Manafort, former deputy campaign manager Rick Gates, former national security adviser Michael Flynn and former campaign foreign policy adviser George Papadopoulos. But they don’t stop there.


“It’s kind of cruel what’s going on right now and the president should put these defendants out of their misery,” said Larry Klayman, a conservative legal activist. “I think he should pardon everybody — and pardon himself.”




​What's with all these idiots that don't realize pardoning is an automatic admission of guilt??

[Androidpk]

Special Counsel Robert Mueller has charged the son-in-law of a Russian oligarch with lying to his office about communications with other indicted individuals.

Alex van der Zwaan, an attorney and the son-in-law of Russian billionaire German Khan, faces charges of making false statements. The charges were dated Feb. 16 but unsealed Tuesday. He is expected to plead guilty in court Tuesday afternoon.

https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/4382158/2-16-18-Van-Der-Zwaan-Information.pdf

[Methais]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DWaQxQhXkAA4Xls.jpg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7F7eRM1oiU

[Methais]

https://i.redd.it/ncj3ggowt7h01.jpg

I thought you fled to the safe space?

[Back]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DWaQxQhXkAA4Xls.jpg

Trump has to be in Putin's back pocket for something. Either massive amount of money or they are blackmailing him. Trump's afraid that dirty "golden shower" story is going to get verified with video on TMZ.

[Gelston]

Trump has to be in Putin's back pocket for something. Either massive amount of money or they are blackmailing him. Trump's afraid that dirty "golden shower" story is going to get verified with video on TMZ.

He is so in his back pocket, that he killed 300 Russians in Syria.

[Androidpk]

https://i.imgur.com/JZFPMN5.jpg

[Methais]

He is so in his back pocket, that he killed 300 Russians in Syria.

Clearly that's just a distraction tactic that Putin was in on.

[Gelston]

Clearly that's just a distraction tactic that Putin was in on.

I like how people are both bitching about how close to war we are with Russia while also saying that Putin owns Trump.

[Wrathbringer]

He is so in his back pocket, that he killed 300 Russians in Syria.

Haven't seen that on Fox News yet, so I don't believe it happened.

[Parkbandit]

Trump has to be in Putin's back pocket for something. Either massive amount of money or they are blackmailing him. Trump's afraid that dirty "golden shower" story is going to get verified with video on TMZ.

https://media.giphy.com/media/SYGkVEBAhm0g0/giphy.gif

The Democrats love how ignorant and blindly you swallow their shit.

[Methais]

I like how people are both bitching about how close to war we are with Russia while also saying that Putin owns Trump.



https://www.bet.com/news/features/vote-2012/news/politics/photos/2012/10/best-memes-from-the-third-presidential-debate/_jcr_content/mainCol/imagegallerycontainer/galleryimage_4.custom1540fx865fx0xcrop.dimg/__1350998460276/102312-politics-debate-memes-6-pbama.jpg

[Androidpk]

Apparently this lawyer made recordings of his phone calls.. :lol:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DWgreEgU0AAgm7v.jpg

[ClydeR]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DWkIngkV4AAGkmp.jpg

The only thing Trump really needs to do is stop acting guilty.

[Methais]

https://media.giphy.com/media/SYGkVEBAhm0g0/giphy.gif

The Democrats love how ignorant and blindly you swallow their shit.

https://i.imgur.com/nq813QP.gif

[ClydeR]

I don't know what to make of this. Why would it be a secret?


New charges have been filed in Special Counsel Robert Mueller's criminal case against former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort and aide Rick Gates, but the charges were put under seal by the court, obscuring the nature and import of the development.

The new charging document filed in federal court in Washington could be a superseding indictment, adding new charges or even new defendants to the charges filed last October, accusing Manafort and Gates of money laundering and failing to register as foreign agents for their work related to Ukraine, among other crimes.

There was no immediate indication of new charges in the court's online docket, but a public, paper docket book kept in the clerk's office at U.S. District Court in Washington contained an entry showing sealed charges filed recently under the docket number for the Manafort-Gates case. The entry was undated but the sequence suggests the charges were filed Friday or later.

More... (https://www.politico.com/story/2018/02/21/paul-manafort-rick-gates-new-charges-criminal-case-419685)

[cwolff]

These guys just keep getting loaded up don't they. I wonder of they keep lying and getting caught

[Wrathbringer]

These guys just keep getting loaded up don't they. I wonder of they keep lying and getting caught

lol @ your rep

[Wrathbringer]

...and lol @ your impotent grey rep you left.

[cwolff]

...and lol @ your impotent grey rep you left.

I don't do rep

[Androidpk]

Facebook (to congress, media): none of these (Russian) ads changed anyone's mind. Nothing to see here.


Also Facebook (to investors, advertisers): for just a few dollars you can show ads that will change the behavior of our users, and those dollars fund our entire business

[cwolff]

Ya that was a dumb ass statement from their vp of ad sales. Most of what the Russians did was free

[Androidpk]

Federal investigators are probing whether former Trump campaign chair Paul Manafort promised a Chicago banker a job in the Trump White House in return for $16 million in home loans, two people with direct knowledge of the matter told NBC News.

Manafort received three separate loans in December 2016 and January 2017 from Federal Savings Bank for homes in New York City, Virginia and the Hamptons.

The banker, Stephen Calk, president of the Federal Savings Bank, was announced as a member of candidate Trump's Council of Economic Advisers in August 2016.

[Wrathbringer]

No one cares.

[Neveragain]

Amazing how the ones complaining the most about government corruption as of late are the people that want more government control in their lives.

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/ArcticFamousGibbon-max-1mb.gif

[cwolff]

Amazing how the ones complaining the most about government corruption as of late are the people that want more government control in their lives.

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/ArcticFamousGibbon-max-1mb.gif

Its amazing how the fiscal hawk conservatives threw away 30 years of ideas for one oompah loompah

[Neveragain]

Its amazing how the fiscal hawk conservatives threw away 30 years of ideas for one oompah loompah

At least the "fiscal hawk conservatives" let their constituents decide their candidate unlike the "blue collar liberals", so much for liberty.

[cwolff]

Is that some bernie thing? But the question is this: did you really decide? Did you really exercise free will or were you manipulated by so many little bots playing you like a fiddle?

[Neveragain]

Is that some bernie thing? But the question is this: did you really decide? Did you really exercise free will or were you manipulated by so many little bots playing you like a fiddle?

I didn't vote for either candidate, this is like...........numerous times I have told you this. It's also the first time in my life that I didn't vote for president and in those 30 years of being able to vote I have voted Republican...3 times.

Democrats need to fix their party, they have gone fucking insane.

[cwolff]

I didn't vote for either candidate, this is like...........numerous times I have told you this. It's also the first time in my life that I didn't vote for president and in those 30 years of being able to vote I have voted Republican...3 times.

Democrats need to fix their party, they have gone fucking insane.

Sure, I know you didn't vote. You do toe the current GOP party line pretty hard though so you're getting lumped in with the trumpanzees.

[Neveragain]

Sure, I know you didn't vote. You do toe the current GOP party line pretty hard though so you're getting lumped in with the trumpanzees.

Don't confuse calling out bullshit for towing any party line.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBAmB6HgEe8

Shine those shoes boy!

[cwolff]

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjCgtLaxrjZAhVpxFQKHe8UAQcQ3ywIKDAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DPJ zNUydlQ4I&usg=AOvVaw1pu3UbsvCx1Z76-tnGxiF1

[Methais]

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjCgtLaxrjZAhVpxFQKHe8UAQcQ3ywIKDAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DPJ zNUydlQ4I&usg=AOvVaw1pu3UbsvCx1Z76-tnGxiF1

backwolff doesn’t realize what happened to Billy next.

backwolff also doesn’t seem to know how to forum.


https://youtu.be/7_pvKEfTDk4

[cwolff]

Oh ya Backwolff. I haven't read that in a while but I always liked it. Foruming....I did forget how to do all that shit.

[cwolff]

https://twitter.com/CREWcrew/status/966788884142149632?ref_src=twcamp%5Ecopy%7Ctwsrc%5 Eandroid%7Ctwgr%5Ecopy%7Ctwcon%5E7090%7Ctwterm%5E2

This should have a link to the 32 count indictment recently filed on gates and manny

[Androidpk]

Former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort and his former deputy, Rick Gates, were indicted on new tax and bank fraud changes as U.S. Special Counsel Robert Mueller mounted a fresh legal attack to strengthen his case against the men.

The new 32-count indictment adds to one filed Oct. 27 in Washington that charged the men with failing to disclose their political consulting work in Ukraine and laundering millions of dollars. Manafort’s attorneys had attacked that indictment by saying Mueller unfairly accused them of money laundering for failing to register their foreign lobbying work.

https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/4385690/2-22-18-Manafort-Gates-Indictment-EDVA.pdf

Manafort is looking at a life sentence in a federal prison.

[CertainlyNotATroll]

I don't know about anyone else, comrades, but I've started to learn to speak the Russian as a good American boy yee-ha!

[Neveragain]

Manafort is looking at a life sentence in a federal prison.

This reminded me to check in on the Starman.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2p55BmwmJM

Certainly tell a difference between now and our last visit, unlike the progress towards impeachment.

[Androidpk]

Mueller's tally so far:

The campaign team:

Paul Manafort, former Trump campaign chairman. 27 counts in total.
Conspiracy against the United States (1 count, contained in October indictment)
Conspiracy to launder money (1 count, October)
Bank fraud (4 counts, February indictment)
Bank fraud conspiracy (5 counts, February)
Subscribing to false tax returns (5 counts, February)
Making false statements (1 count, October)
Failure to file reports of foreign bank and financial accounts (4 in October, 4 in February)
Unregistered agent of a foreign principal (1 count, October)
False FARA statements (1 count, October)

Rick Gates, former Trump campaign staffer. 31 counts in total.
Conspiracy against the United States (1 count, October)
Conspiracy to launder money (1 count, October)
Bank fraud (4 counts, February)
Bank fraud conspiracy (5 counts, February)
Subscribing to false tax returns (5 counts, February)
Assisting in preparation of false tax documents (5 counts, February)
Subscribing to false amended tax returns (1 count, February)
Making false statements (1 count, October)
Failure to file reports of foreign bank and financial accounts (3 in October, 3 in February)
Unregistered agent of a foreign principal (1 count, October)
False FARA statements (1 count, October)

Michael Flynn, former campaign staffer [National Security Advisor]. 1 charge to which he pleaded guilty.
Making false statements (1 count, December)

George Papadopoulos, former campaign adviser. 1 charge to which he pleaded guilty.
Making false statements (1 count, October)

The Russians:

Yevgeniy Prigozhin, controlled Concord Management and Consulting. 1 count in total.
Conspiracy to defraud the United States (1 count, February)

Mikhail Bystrov, general director of Internet Research Agency. 1 count in total.
Conspiracy to defraud the United States (1 count, February)

Mikhail Burchik, executive director of Internet Research Agency. 1 count in total.
Conspiracy to defraud the United States (1 count, February)

Aleksandra Krylova, director of Internet Research Agency. 1 count in total.
Conspiracy to defraud the United States (1 count, February)

Anna Bogacheva, Internet Research Agency employee. 1 count in total.
Conspiracy to defraud the United States (1 count, February)

Sergey Polozov, Internet Research Agency employee. 1 count in total.
Conspiracy to defraud the United States (1 count, February)

Maria Bovda, Internet Research Agency employee. 1 count in total.
Conspiracy to defraud the United States (1 count, February)

Robert Bovda, Internet Research Agency employee. 1 count in total.
Conspiracy to defraud the United States (1 count, February)

Dzheykhun Aslanov, Internet Research Agency employee. 8 counts in total.
Conspiracy to defraud the United States (1 count, February)
Conspiracy to commit wire fraud and bank fraud (1 count, February)
Aggravated identity theft (6 counts, February)

Vadim Podkopaev, Internet Research Agency employee. 1 count in total.
Conspiracy to defraud the United States (1 count, February)

Gleb Vasilchenko, Internet Research Agency employee. 8 counts in total.
Conspiracy to defraud the United States. (1 count, February)
Conspiracy to commit wire fraud and bank fraud (1 count, February)
Aggravated identity theft (6 counts, February)

Irina Kaverzina, Internet Research Agency employee. 7 counts in total.
Conspiracy to defraud the United States (1 count, February)
Aggravated identity theft (6 counts, February)

Vladimir Venkov, Internet Research Agency employee. 7 counts in total.
Conspiracy to defraud the United States (1 count, February)
Aggravated identity theft (6 counts, February)

The other people:

Richard Pinedo, businessman who sold bank account numbers allegedly used by the Russians as part of their efforts. 1 charge to which he pleaded guilty.
Making false statements (1 count, December)

Alex van der Zwaan, attorney who helped develop a report benefiting Manafort’s client in Ukraine. 1 charge to which he pleaded guilty.
Making false statements (1 count, October)

[Neveragain]

Mueller's tally so far:

The campaign team:

Paul Manafort, former Trump campaign chairman. 27 counts in total.
Conspiracy against the United States (1 count, contained in October indictment)
Conspiracy to launder money (1 count, October)
Bank fraud (4 counts, February indictment)
Bank fraud conspiracy (5 counts, February)
Subscribing to false tax returns (5 counts, February)
Making false statements (1 count, October)
Failure to file reports of foreign bank and financial accounts (4 in October, 4 in February)
Unregistered agent of a foreign principal (1 count, October)
False FARA statements (1 count, October)

Rick Gates, former Trump campaign staffer. 31 counts in total.
Conspiracy against the United States (1 count, October)
Conspiracy to launder money (1 count, October)
Bank fraud (4 counts, February)
Bank fraud conspiracy (5 counts, February)
Subscribing to false tax returns (5 counts, February)
Assisting in preparation of false tax documents (5 counts, February)
Subscribing to false amended tax returns (1 count, February)
Making false statements (1 count, October)
Failure to file reports of foreign bank and financial accounts (3 in October, 3 in February)
Unregistered agent of a foreign principal (1 count, October)
False FARA statements (1 count, October)

Michael Flynn, former campaign staffer [National Security Advisor]. 1 charge to which he pleaded guilty.
Making false statements (1 count, December)

George Papadopoulos, former campaign adviser. 1 charge to which he pleaded guilty.
Making false statements (1 count, October)

The Russians:

Yevgeniy Prigozhin, controlled Concord Management and Consulting. 1 count in total.
Conspiracy to defraud the United States (1 count, February)

Mikhail Bystrov, general director of Internet Research Agency. 1 count in total.
Conspiracy to defraud the United States (1 count, February)

Mikhail Burchik, executive director of Internet Research Agency. 1 count in total.
Conspiracy to defraud the United States (1 count, February)

Aleksandra Krylova, director of Internet Research Agency. 1 count in total.
Conspiracy to defraud the United States (1 count, February)

Anna Bogacheva, Internet Research Agency employee. 1 count in total.
Conspiracy to defraud the United States (1 count, February)

Sergey Polozov, Internet Research Agency employee. 1 count in total.
Conspiracy to defraud the United States (1 count, February)

Maria Bovda, Internet Research Agency employee. 1 count in total.
Conspiracy to defraud the United States (1 count, February)

Robert Bovda, Internet Research Agency employee. 1 count in total.
Conspiracy to defraud the United States (1 count, February)

Dzheykhun Aslanov, Internet Research Agency employee. 8 counts in total.
Conspiracy to defraud the United States (1 count, February)
Conspiracy to commit wire fraud and bank fraud (1 count, February)
Aggravated identity theft (6 counts, February)

Vadim Podkopaev, Internet Research Agency employee. 1 count in total.
Conspiracy to defraud the United States (1 count, February)

Gleb Vasilchenko, Internet Research Agency employee. 8 counts in total.
Conspiracy to defraud the United States. (1 count, February)
Conspiracy to commit wire fraud and bank fraud (1 count, February)
Aggravated identity theft (6 counts, February)

Irina Kaverzina, Internet Research Agency employee. 7 counts in total.
Conspiracy to defraud the United States (1 count, February)
Aggravated identity theft (6 counts, February)

Vladimir Venkov, Internet Research Agency employee. 7 counts in total.
Conspiracy to defraud the United States (1 count, February)
Aggravated identity theft (6 counts, February)

The other people:

Richard Pinedo, businessman who sold bank account numbers allegedly used by the Russians as part of their efforts. 1 charge to which he pleaded guilty.
Making false statements (1 count, December)

Alex van der Zwaan, attorney who helped develop a report benefiting Manafort’s client in Ukraine. 1 charge to which he pleaded guilty.
Making false statements (1 count, October)

https://images.newrepublic.com/bed623996bc8b0682e52daf31442944a75ceeca4.gif

[~Rocktar~]

Flynn's case may not be so cut and dried as it appears. Seems more impropriety among the prosecution along with some hanky panky and maybe even flat out tampering with evidence may torpedo the whole enchilada.



WASHINGTON, D.C. – Justice Emmet G. Sullivan, the new judge assigned to the case of Gen. Michael Flynn, has required Special Prosecutor Robert Mueller to hand over “exculpatory evidence” to Flynn’s defense team, in a sua sponte motion at the judge’s sole discretion that suggests Sullivan is considering seriously whether Flynn’s guilty plea should be reversed.


Finally, on Feb. 14, 2014, Mueller asked Judge Sullivan to seal the information the special prosecutor’s team had handed over to Flynn’s defense.

The request by Mueller to seal the exculpatory material handed over to Flynn’s defense team suggests Flynn’s prosecution may have derived from the anti-Trump animus between FBI agent Peter Strzok (the FBI agent Flynn allegedly lied to) and Strzok’s lover, FBI agent Lisa Page.


As an important backdrop to the case, in March 2017, then FBI Director James Comey briefed a number of Capitol Hill lawmakers on the “Russian Collusion” investigation and reportedly insisted he believed Flynn did not lie to the FBI.

As a result of that interview, the lawmakers interviewing Comey told reporters they came away with the impression Flynn would not be charged with a crime pertaining to his interview with the FBI on Jan. 24, 2017.

Kind of bad when even Comey the clown thinks you didn't break the law AND the judge has to order the prosecution to abide the law and turn over the prosecutions evidence.

https://www.infowars.com/flynn-ruling-could-mark-end-for-mueller-as-special-prosecutor/

This has been a shit show of corruption, favoritism, political assassination and trampling of justice by this special prosecutor and his staff of keystone cops. Not to mention a waste of money.

[cwolff]

hahaha a fucking infowars link HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHHAA

Holy Shit, I didn't think WyromsBonusCheck would ever make me laugh so hard. LMAO

Rocktar, are you Russian or what? How the fuck do you guys go so overboard defending Trump. Even if you love him, you must see that there is a there there. Loyalty to your clan is one thing, but for fuck's sake, have you no loyalty to the USA?

[~Rocktar~]

Holy Shit, I didn't think WyromsBonusCheck would ever make me laugh so hard. LMAO

Rocktar, are you Russian or what? How the fuck do you guys go so overboard defending Trump. Even if you love him, you must see that there is a there there. Loyalty to your clan is one thing, but for fuck's sake, have you no loyalty to the USA?

Will be funny as hell if this all falls apart because of this. I notice no actual debate or discourse, only insults and the typical dismissing a source despite I am sure you feel CNN is a good resource. And then you conclude with the typical Liberal/Socialist siren call of "if you don't believe me, you aren't a patriot." Please do us all a favor and get help.

[Androidpk]

I notice no actual debate or discourse, only insults


I have been over this multiple times with you moron but your dope addled, mush headed liberally retarded brain continues to be dismissive of anything that does not fit your narrative. So, rather than get into it again over the same information I have posted to you over and over again, I am going to treat you like the entitled bratty child you are.

Says me and that's all the explanation you need.

.

[Androidpk]

Also, Infowars.. BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA

GTFO with your conspiratorial bullshit.

[Androidpk]

Judge Sullivan issues that order to EVERY criminal case he oversees. There is nothing out of the ordinary here with him doing that in Flynn's case.

https://twitter.com/TheViewFromLL2/status/965728445161443329


For the last fucking time I don't read Fox News!!!!!


I read Infowars.

[~Rocktar~]

You gonna cry snowflake?

With laughter when this farce implodes.

[~Rocktar~]

Also, Infowars.. BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA

GTFO with your conspiratorial bullshit.

Get help you sad, sad little person.

[Androidpk]

Get help you sad, sad little person.


I have been over this multiple times with you moron but your dope addled, mush headed liberally retarded brain continues to be dismissive of anything that does not fit your narrative. So, rather than get into it again over the same information I have posted to you over and over again, I am going to treat you like the entitled bratty child you are.

Says me and that's all the explanation you need.


Infowars is a legitimate news source.

Sounds like you're the one in need of help.

[cwolff]

I am forever amazed at Americans who shit on CNN, NYT, and reputable journalism in general, then fix their opinions from places like FOX and fuckin' infowars.

Rocktar, you're a god damn traitor. If you have to go so far as to get with Alex Jones to defend trump from the scary CNN, then you're a fucking traitor.

[Wrathbringer]

I am forever amazed at Americans who shit on CNN, NYT, and reputable journalism in general, then fix their opinions from places like FOX and fuckin' infowars.

Rocktar, you're a god damn traitor. If you have to go so far as to get with Alex Jones to defend trump from the scary CNN, then you're a fucking traitor.

Lol you're retarded. Fox news is fair and balanced. Why do you prefer retarded and liberal?

[cwolff]

Lol you're retarded. Fox news is fair and balanced. Why do you prefer retarded and liberal?

That's sarcasm. I recognize it. Didn't actually think you had it in ya but thanks. I got a laugh

[Neveragain]

I am forever amazed at Americans who shit on CNN, NYT, and reputable journalism in general, then fix their opinions from places like FOX and fuckin' infowars.

Rocktar, you're a god damn traitor. If you have to go so far as to get with Alex Jones to defend trump from the scary CNN, then you're a fucking traitor.

Not sure why you're knocking Alex Jones, dude. The guy is just a humble water filter salesman who's trying to make an honest living.

Remember it was CNN who suggested that time travel may have played a role in a vanishing jetliner. There's really no difference between FOX, CNN or INFOWars, one of them is just a hell of a lot more entertaining.

The reason people aren't buying the Russia bullshit is because days before the election the Democrats were all like "no election tampering is going on, you're not a patriot if you don't accept the election results" to "REEEEEEussians tampered with the elections and you're a traitor if you believe otherwise!". To those of us that have raised children it's plainly obvious that the whole Russian story line is nothing but a Clinton temper tantrum.

The voters and the world are better off to ignore the whole thing, it's the best way to deal with a child that is kicking and screaming on the floor in the middle of Walmart.

[Back]

I am forever amazed at Americans who shit on CNN, NYT, and reputable journalism in general, then fix their opinions from places like FOX and fuckin' infowars.

It's worrying. Infowars, and sites like it, are poison. I guess the people behind sites like that operate on the "let the buyer beware" axiom which may give them a sense of not being responsible for who may become misinformed. Like that guy who walked into a pizza place with a loaded automatic rifle looking for a fabricated child pornography ring. The people pushing that story were not held responsible for his actions.

The war against reality has been waged by the current republican party for a while now. Their leaders are telling us not to trust scientists about global warming, not to trust journalists who have been vetted by their peers, not to trust institutions of higher learning, not to trust teachers who are telling us exactly what they want in the face of this gun violence crisis in this country, and to only listen to and trust what they say. In a crazy twist of irony they say not to trust the government while being the government.

The only real comfort we can take away from this situation is the fact that humanity does progress despite the pitfalls. Here we are at the peak of civilization with the most information disseminated to as many people ever in the history of time and there are still people claiming the world is flat. Truth will survive and we will survive because of it.

[Wrathbringer]

It's worrying. Infowars, and sites like it, are poison. I guess the people behind sites like that operate on the "let the buyer beware" axiom which may give them a sense of not being responsible for who may become misinformed. Like that guy who walked into a pizza place with a loaded automatic rifle looking for a fabricated child pornography ring. The people pushing that story were not held responsible for his actions.

The war against reality has been waged by the current republican party for a while now. Their leaders are telling us not to trust scientists about global warming, not to trust journalists who have been vetted by their peers, not to trust institutions of higher learning, not to trust teachers who are telling us exactly what they want in the face of this gun violence crisis in this country, and to only listen to and trust what they say. In a crazy twist of irony they say not to trust the government while being the government.

The only real comfort we can take away from this situation is the fact that humanity does progress despite the pitfalls. Here we are at the peak of civilization with the most information disseminated to as many people ever in the history of time and there are still people claiming the world is flat. Truth will survive and we will survive because of it.

You're retarded.

[cwolff]

It's worrying. Infowars, and sites like it, are poison. I guess the people behind sites like that operate on the "let the buyer beware" axiom which may give them a sense of not being responsible for who may become misinformed. Like that guy who walked into a pizza place with a loaded automatic rifle looking for a fabricated child pornography ring. The people pushing that story were not held responsible for his actions.

The war against reality has been waged by the current republican party for a while now. Their leaders are telling us not to trust scientists about global warming, not to trust journalists who have been vetted by their peers, not to trust institutions of higher learning, not to trust teachers who are telling us exactly what they want in the face of this gun violence crisis in this country, and to only listen to and trust what they say. In a crazy twist of irony they say not to trust the government while being the government.

The only real comfort we can take away from this situation is the fact that humanity does progress despite the pitfalls. Here we are at the peak of civilization with the most information disseminated to as many people ever in the history of time and there are still people claiming the world is flat. Truth will survive and we will survive because of it.

Its amazing ain't it. And trump plays them like a fiddle. He's president and acts as if the executive branch is some whole other thing out there.

The indoctrination is simple. Once they got these guys to deny the news and science they flll the void with any pollution they want.

[Methais]

The reason people aren't buying the Russia bullshit is because days before the election the Democrats were all like "no election tampering is going on, you're not a patriot if you don't accept the election results" to "REEEEEEussians tampered with the elections and you're a traitor if you believe otherwise!". To those of us that have raised children it's plainly obvious that the whole Russian story line is nothing but a Clinton temper tantrum.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7F7eRM1oiU

“There is no serious person out there who would suggest somehow that you could even — you could even rig America’s elections, in part, because they are so decentralized and the numbers of votes involved,” Obama said during a press conference at the White House in October 2016. “There is no evidence that that has happened in the past or that there are instances in which that will happen this time. And so I’d invite Mr. Trump to stop whining and go try to make his case to get votes.”



The war against reality has been waged by the current republican party for a while now.

That's great coming from the party that thinks you can identify as unicorns and mermaids and literally any stupid shit you can possibly think of.

[cwolff]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7F7eRM1oiU

“There is no serious person out there who would suggest somehow that you could even — you could even rig America’s elections, in part, because they are so decentralized and the numbers of votes involved,” Obama said during a press conference at the White House in October 2016. “There is no evidence that that has happened in the past or that there are instances in which that will happen this time. And so I’d invite Mr. Trump to stop whining and go try to make his case to get votes.”




That's great coming from the party that thinks you can identify as unicorns and mermaids and literally any stupid shit you can possibly think of.

Heyyy!!! Berts awake. Good morning sunshine. Did you and Ernie have a nice night.

[Wrathbringer]

Heyyy!!! Berts awake. Good morning sunshine. Did you and Ernie have a nice night.

Notice how you say nothing about obummer's stance on election rigging. Because you can't.

[cwolff]

Notice how you say nothing about obummer's stance on election rigging. Because you can't.

Hi Ernie. I don't say anything because its so simple. If you dont know its because you don't want to.

Trump got ahead of the story by claiming to be a victim of election rigging. We've all learned now that it was being rigged, but for trump and not by Obama but by his friends in Russia.

You think you won because your team won. The reality is that we all lost. Your loyalty is misspent on trump and you forget that first you are an American.

[Wrathbringer]

Hi Ernie. I don't say anything because its so simple. If you dont know its because you don't want to.

Trump got ahead of the story by claiming to be a victim of election rigging. We've all learned now that it was being rigged, but for trump and not by Obama but by his friends in Russia.

You think you won because your team won. The reality is that we all lost. Your loyalty is misspent on trump and you forget that first you are an American.

No, you lost. America rejected your view of it because it is retarded. Things are finally turning around thanks to Trump. 4 more years.

[cwolff]

No, you lost. America rejected your view of it because it is retarded. Things are finally turning around thanks to Trump. 4 more years.

Even now you are wrong. More Americans voted for Hillary than trump. Of course you know that but you can't admit it because you're a coward and a traitor to your nation.

[Wrathbringer]

Even now you are wrong. More Americans voted for Hillary than trump. Of course you know that but you can't admit it because you're a coward and a traitor to your nation.

Keep consoling yourself with that fact in light of the other fact that your girl lost the election badly. It wasn't close.

[Methais]

Hi Ernie. I don't say anything because its so simple. If you dont know its because you don't want to.

Trump got ahead of the story by claiming to be a victim of election rigging. We've all learned now that it was being rigged, but for trump and not by Obama but by his friends in Russia.

So Obama was lying about American elections not even being riggable? Obama? The guy who is by far the smartest person to ever be in the Oval Office? The president who could do no wrong?

Racist. Why do you hate black people?

[cwolff]

Keep consoling yourself with that fact in light of the other fact that your girl lost the election badly. It wasn't close.

See what I mean. You can't bear to face the reality. If you did you'd have some questioning to do and for you ignorance is bliss

[Methais]

Heyyy!!! Berts awake. Good morning sunshine. Did you and Ernie have a nice night.

Hi Thelma. Where's Louisepk? Were you two busy scissoring all night again?

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view/188543/scissors-o.gif

[cwolff]

Hi Thelma. Where's Louisepk? Were you two busy scissoring all night again?

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view/188543/scissors-o.gif

That's cute little buddy. You do good memes. Keep it up

[Methais]

That's cute little buddy. You do good memes. Keep it up

Real men scissor amirite?

[cwolff]

Real men scissor amirite?

Meh....you're better at memes. Maybe you're a left brain troll because you're best work is with images. Words...not so much

[Methais]

Meh....you're better at memes. Maybe you're a left brain troll because you're best work is with images. Words...not so much

Way to dodge the question. And we all know why.

[Wrathbringer]

Way to dodge the question. And we all know why.

Because he's a gay fag?

[Methais]

Because he's a gay fag?

Is that what they call it when 2 dudes grind their buttholes together?

[Wrathbringer]

Is that what they call it when 2 dudes grind their buttholes together?

I wouldn't know. Pk, clue us in.

[cwolff]

Way to dodge the question. And we all know why.


Because he's a gay fag?


Is that what they call it when 2 dudes grind their buttholes together?


I wouldn't know. Pk, clue us in.

You all are so cute. Shamelessly flirting online. Masking your feelings behind overt homophobia. I bet you're wearing little matching outfits too

[Wrathbringer]

I'm a gay fag with sharting problems.

Yep.

[Methais]

Yep.

:lol:

[Androidpk]

Gates plead guilty today on conspiracy against the US and lying to the FBI.

https://www.justice.gov/file/1038801/download

He also agreed to a plea deal in exchange for his full cooperation.

[Wrathbringer]

Gates plead guilty today on conspiracy against the US and lying to the FBI.

https://www.justice.gov/file/1038801/download

He also agreed to a plea deal in exchange for his full cooperation.

No one cares.

[Androidpk]

Manafort's indictment today for the superseding charges. (he's fucked)

https://www.justice.gov/file/1038741/download

[Androidpk]

No one cares.

Keep showing us how much you care by telling us you don't care, over and over, you retarded snowflake.

[Velfi]

https://i.imgur.com/J7jUcAy.gif

[Androidpk]

Former Trump campaign aide Rick Gates just admitted to lying to U.S. investigators about a March 19, 2013, meeting between his boss, Paul Manafort, and an unidentified U.S. congressman. Public filings show a meeting that day between Manafort and Dana Rohrabacher, a Russia-friendly Republican congressman from California.


Gates pleaded guilty Friday to conspiracy against the U.S. and making false statements about a meeting that day. In a criminal information unsealed Friday, he admitted that he’d withheld that the meeting included a discussion of Ukraine, where he and Manafort had done political consulting work.

[Androidpk]

Former Trump campaign aide Rick Gates just admitted to lying to U.S. investigators about a March 19, 2013, meeting between his boss, Paul Manafort, and an unidentified U.S. congressman. Public filings show a meeting that day between Manafort and Dana Rohrabacher, a Russia-friendly Republican congressman from California.


Gates pleaded guilty Friday to conspiracy against the U.S. and making false statements about a meeting that day. In a criminal information unsealed Friday, he admitted that he’d withheld that the meeting included a discussion of Ukraine, where he and Manafort had done political consulting work.

This is pretty damning considering this prior event..


KIEV, Ukraine — A month before Donald Trump clinched the Republican nomination, one of his closest allies in Congress — House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy — made a politically explosive assertion in a private conversation on Capitol Hill with his fellow GOP leaders: that Trump could be the beneficiary of payments from Russian President Vladimir Putin.

“There’s two people I think Putin pays: Rohrabacher and Trump,” McCarthy (R-Calif.) said, according to a recording of the June 15, 2016, exchange, which was listened to and verified by The Washington Post. Rep. Dana Rohrabacher is a Californian Republican known in Congress as a fervent defender of Putin and Russia.

House Speaker Paul D. Ryan (R-Wis.) immediately interjected, stopping the conversation from further exploring McCarthy’s assertion, and swore the Republicans present to secrecy.

[Parkbandit]

This is pretty damning considering this prior event..


KIEV, Ukraine — A month before Donald Trump clinched the Republican nomination, one of his closest allies in Congress — House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy — made a politically explosive assertion in a private conversation on Capitol Hill with his fellow GOP leaders: that Trump could be the beneficiary of payments from Russian President Vladimir Putin.

“There’s two people I think Putin pays: Rohrabacher and Trump,” McCarthy (R-Calif.) said, according to a recording of the June 15, 2016, exchange, which was listened to and verified by The Washington Post. Rep. Dana Rohrabacher is a Californian Republican known in Congress as a fervent defender of Putin and Russia.

House Speaker Paul D. Ryan (R-Wis.) immediately interjected, stopping the conversation from further exploring McCarthy’s assertion, and swore the Republicans present to secrecy.

LOL

[cwolff]

This is pretty damning considering this prior event..


KIEV, Ukraine — A month before Donald Trump clinched the Republican nomination, one of his closest allies in Congress — House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy — made a politically explosive assertion in a private conversation on Capitol Hill with his fellow GOP leaders: that Trump could be the beneficiary of payments from Russian President Vladimir Putin.

“There’s two people I think Putin pays: Rohrabacher and Trump,” McCarthy (R-Calif.) said, according to a recording of the June 15, 2016, exchange, which was listened to and verified by The Washington Post. Rep. Dana Rohrabacher is a Californian Republican known in Congress as a fervent defender of Putin and Russia.

House Speaker Paul D. Ryan (R-Wis.) immediately interjected, stopping the conversation from further exploring McCarthy’s assertion, and swore the Republicans present to secrecy.

The bitch of all this is that no matter what's uncovered, it won't mean shit if GOP has a halfway decent midterm

[Androidpk]

The bitch of all this is that no matter what's uncovered, it won't mean shit if GOP has a halfway decent midterm

Mueller could indict Trump directly and skip Congress.

[Latrinsorm]

Notice how you say nothing about obummer's stance on election rigging. Because you can't.President Obama is correct, you can't successfully rig the election. It is still a crime to try, and it is still a crime to solicit, accept, or receive any kind of aid from a foreign national. Happy to help.

[cwolff]

Mueller could indict Trump directly and skip Congress.

SDNY also is going to factor into this. Apparently pardon power doesn't extend to their jurisdiction.

[cwolff]

President Obama is correct, you can't successfully rig the election.

That's a bold statement. You talking literally?

[Androidpk]

SDNY also is going to factor into this. Apparently pardon power doesn't extend to their jurisdiction.

Pardons don't cover state crimes and since a pardon forces the person to assume guilt any state crime filed against them would be incredibly difficult to fight.

[Androidpk]

Susan Rice responds to Congress over the memo that she wrote herself in January of 2017.

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4386788-Rice-Response-Letter-to-Senators-Grassley-and.html

[Wrathbringer]

Mueller could indict Trump directly and skip Congress.

Again, retarded.

[cwolff]

Susan Rice responds to Congress over the memo that she wrote herself in January of 2017.

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4386788-Rice-Response-Letter-to-Senators-Grassley-and.html

I can't read it because I'm on the bus heading home from work and its bouncy af, but let me hazard a guess. Does it say something like the incoming admin is corrupt?

[Gelston]

Mueller could indict Trump directly and skip Congress.

No he can't. Mueller was appointed under the Justice Department, so he lacks the power. If Mueller had been a special counsel under Congress, that is a different story, but he isn't.

And even if he was indicted nothing would skip Congress, because the next step would be... Congress.

I swear, all you libtards must really want Pence to be President.

[Androidpk]

No he can't. Mueller was appointed under the Justice Department, so he lacks the power. If Mueller had been a special counsel under Congress, that is a different story, but he isn't.

And even if he was indicted nothing would skip Congress, because the next step would be... Congress.

I'm going to take Preet Bharara's word over yours.

[Androidpk]

I can't read it because I'm on the bus heading home from work and its bouncy af, but me me hazard a guess. Does it say something like the incoming admin is corrupt?

The memorandum to file drafted by Ambassador Rice memorialized an important
national security discussion between President Obama and the FBI Director and the Deputy
Attorney General. President Obama and his national security team were justifiably concerned
about potential risks to the Nation’s security from sharing highly classified information about
Russia with certain members of the Trump transition team, particularly Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn.
In light of concerning communications between members of the Trump team and Russian
officials, before and after the election, President Obama, on behalf of his national security team,
appropriately sought the FBI and the Department of Justice’s guidance on this subject. In the
conversation Ambassador Rice documented, there was no discussion of Christopher Steele or the
Steele dossier, contrary to the suggestion in your letter.

[Gelston]

I'm going to take Preet Bharara's word over yours.

Well ,I mean, he is wrong. Mueller works for the Justice Department. Trump can fire him prior to any indictment.

If he was a special counsel for Congress, like Kenneth Starr was, different story.

And I think this guy knows better than Preet.

"Those hoping Mueller will prosecute Trump are steeped in fantasy, according to Paul Rosenzweig, a former deputy of Kenneth Starr, the independent counsel in the Whitewater real estate investments and Monica Lewinsky investigations during the Clinton administration."

[Androidpk]

Well ,I mean, he is wrong. Mueller works for the Justice Department. Trump can fire him prior to any indictment.

Because you know more about US federal law than the legendary Bharara. Are you drunk?

[Gelston]

Because you know more about US federal law than the legendary Bharara. Are you drunk?

I mean, I quoted someone else. Here, how about this..

Andrew Wright, who was an associate counsel to former President Barack Obama, told Newsweek earlier this year that constitutional law allowing criminal charges after a president's removal has widely been interpreted as suggesting the leader of the free world "might not be amenable to prosecution and indictment while they're in office."

One of your liberal buddy's basically agreeing.

[Androidpk]

Independent != liberal

[Gelston]

Independent != liberal

Most of the time no, but you are.

[Androidpk]

Most of the time no, but you are.

Now you know more about my political ideology than I do? Yeaaaaah

[Gelston]

Now you know more about my political ideology than I do? Yeaaaaah

Apparently so.

[Neveragain]

Now you know more about my political ideology than I do? Yeaaaaah

http://img.pr0gramm.com/2014/10/21/6985c05c927f8a52.gif

[cwolff]

We need a poll or a betting pool or something. It should be along the lines of

Who will commit suicide by radioactive poison dart, jumping from a 1st story window, or beating self to death. The choices should be Manafort, Gates, Flynn, Papadapolous, Page, Various indicted Russians, Trump, Kushner etc...

[Ashlander]

We need a poll or a betting pool or something. It should be along the lines of

Who will commit suicide by radioactive poison dart, jumping from a 1st story window, or beating self to death. The choices should be Manafort, Gates, Flynn, Papadapolous, Page, Various indicted Russians, Trump, Kushner etc...

Isn't that usually more of a Clinton thing?

[cwolff]

Isn't that usually more of a Clinton thing?

Ba-dum Ching!

Good one

[Androidpk]

Isn't that usually more of a Clinton thing?

Putin and the Kremlin have a long history of killing people that pose a risk to their rule.

[Androidpk]

Manafort Left an Incriminating Paper Trail Because He Couldn’t Figure Out How to Convert PDFs to Word Files

:lol2:

[Parkbandit]

So... still no Russian collusion?

Are we done thinking that there is any collusion.. or are you useful idiots STILL this gullible?

[Androidpk]

Says the useful idiot.

[Wrathbringer]

So... still no Russian collusion?

This is correct.

[Methais]

Now you know more about my political ideology than I do? Yeaaaaah

When you broadcast it all day every day, even if it's in massively retarded time4fun fashion, people tend to pick up on it.


Says the useful idiot.

Is that a yes or is that a no?

[Androidpk]

When you broadcast it all day every day, even if it's in massively retarded time4fun fashion, people tend to pick up on it.



Show us on the doll where she touched you.

[Androidpk]

There's quite a loop going on here. New news and indictment rolls in followed by the tears of trolls. Rinse and repeat.

[Methais]

Here on the doll is where she pegged me.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-8hMoKHg9I7I/TqR2OoXanXI/AAAAAAAABCA/gqw0HfYbA80/s1600/DSC_0467.JPG

Gross, no one wants to see that shit. This is a family friendly atmosphere.

Reported. Prepare to be backtraced.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/XVfWslowmoI/hqdefault.jpg

In before cwolff shows up to white knight.

[Neveragain]

There's quite a loop going on here. New news and indictment rolls in followed by the tears of trolls. Rinse and repeat.

I guess I'm not picking up on the tears. Conservatives know they are in a won, win, win, situation. Won being the killing of the mandate, win if Trump is impeached (a staunchly pro-life Pence) and a win if there continues to be no evidence.

Democrats are in checkmate, they must change their party plank or they will vanish from the political arena.

It's over dude, stfu and go make your paper, nobody wants to pay your way.

[cwolff]

There's obviously evidence of collusion. I admire the message discipline though. The left doesn't have the same fierce tibal loyalty to stick with fake news talking points in the face of evidence

[Methais]

So... still no Russian collusion?

Are we done thinking that there is any collusion.. or are you useful idiots STILL this gullible?


Says the useful idiot.


Is that a yes or is that a no?


Show us on the doll where she touched you.


There's quite a loop going on here. New news and indictment rolls in followed by the tears of trolls. Rinse and repeat.

So was that a yes or a no to PB's question?

You already know the answer, which is why you keep dodging the question.

[Androidpk]

There's obviously evidence of collusion. I admire the message discipline though.

trolls gonna troll

[Methais]

trolls gonna troll

That investigation of collusion sure is heating up!

https://cdn.fbsbx.com/v/t59.2708-21/21126325_914489868719886_8933039252736835584_n.gif ?oh=c1afc4c93205729eb858082f31d65eb2&oe=5A93843A

[Neveragain]

There's obviously evidence of collusion. I admire the message discipline though. The left doesn't have the same fierce tibal loyalty to stick with fake news talking points in the face of evidence

What I admire most is the Democrats jerking each other off with absolutely no sign of a Democrat candidate for 2020.

[Methais]

What I admire most is the Democrats jerking each other off with absolutely no sign of a Democrat candidate for 2020.

But Oprah!

[cwolff]

What I admire most is the Democrats jerking each other off with absolutely no sign of a Democrat candidate for 2020.

Ya, they got no one.

Actually I should say "we" because I registered as a dem last month