Russia Investigation Heating Up

[Parkbandit]

Can we please keep this topic clear of any off topic stuff please?

I really want to know when this Russian collusion case really starts "heating up".

Thank you.

[Androidpk]

Can we please keep this topic clear of any off topic stuff please?

I really want to know when this Russian collusion case really starts "heating up".

Thank you.

maybe you should start a Russian collusion thread

[Methais]

maybe you should start a Russian collusion thread. This is the Russian delusion thread.

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[Parkbandit]

maybe you should start a Russian collusion thread

There is another investigation regarding Russia?

Do tell. What did Hillary tell you happened now?

[Androidpk]

There is another investigation regarding Russia?

Do tell. What did Hillary tell you happened now?

There's a Russia investigation solely focused on collusion? Do you have secret insight into what the special counsel knows? What did Fox news tell you?

[Parkbandit]

There's a Russia investigation solely focused on collusion? Do you have secret insight into what the special counsel knows? What did Fox news tell you?

What other investigation involving Russia and this administration is there? Be specific.

In before your next deflection.

[Androidpk]

You know the answer to that one. Now what about your secret sources inside Mueller's camp that have told you they haven't found any collusion? Why haven't you gone to Fox News with your insider information?

[Androidpk]

Sure, at a time when our cybersecurity strategy is absolutely critical.. let's do this!

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[Parkbandit]

It's like you are a one trick pony and everyone knows that one trick....



What other investigation involving Russia and this administration is there? Be specific.

In before your next deflection.


You know the answer to that one. Now what about your secret sources inside Mueller's camp that have told you they haven't found any collusion? Why haven't you gone to Fox News with your insider information?


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[Androidpk]

Where's the deflection? You constantly acting like collusion is the sole area being investigated, despite being corrected numerous times, is the deflection. So again, for the 3rd time, who's your source inside the special counsel that told you they don't have any evidence?

[Androidpk]

Remember when people were complaining about the Clinton Foundation being used as a pay2play vehicle for Hillary when she was Secretary of State? And now it's coming out that companies were paying Cohen for access to Trump and it's nothing but crickets from Republicans and their propaganda outlets.

[Parkbandit]

Where's the deflection? You constantly acting like collusion is the sole area being investigated, despite being corrected numerous times, is the deflection. So again, for the 3rd time, who's your source inside the special counsel that told you they don't have any evidence?

I'll spell this out for you, since you are really, really stupid.

1) Look at the name of the thread: Russia Investigation Heating Up.
2) I stated that people should keep their offtopic posts out of here.. since this is for the Russian collusion investigation.
3) You stated that I needed to make another topic.
4) I asked you to be specific and name another investigation that involved Russia and this Administration.
5) You couldn't, so you deflected as predicted.
6) Stop being stupid.

[Androidpk]

I'll spell this out for you, since you are really, really stupid.

1) Look at the name of the thread: Russia Investigation Heating Up.
2) I stated that people should keep their offtopic posts out of here.. since this is for the Russian collusion investigation.
3) You stated that I needed to make another topic.
4) I asked you to be specific and name another investigation that involved Russia and this Administration.
5) You couldn't, so you deflected as predicted.
6) Stop being stupid.

1. Name of thread: Russia Investigation
2. You telling anyone to stay on topic here is a fucking riot considering how much you attempt to derail with your trolling.
3. Yes, make a thread solely on collusion, since that is all you're capable of discussing regarding the investigation, which isn't solely looking at collusion.
4. See 3.
5. Only one deflecting is you. You still haven't answered my question I've asked 3 times. Why? Because you can't. Because the special counsel hasn't finished their investigation nor have they shared what they've uncovered or have been told by the multiple people that have flipped and are now cooperating.
6. Says the troll.

[Parkbandit]

1. Name of thread: Russia Investigation
2. You telling anyone to stay on topic here is a fucking riot considering how much you attempt to derail with your trolling.
3. Yes, make a thread solely on collusion, since that is all you're capable of discussing regarding the investigation, which isn't solely looking at collusion.
4. See 3.
5. Only one deflecting is you. You still haven't answered my question I've asked 3 times. Why? Because you can't. Because the special counsel hasn't finished their investigation nor have they shared what they've uncovered or have been told by the multiple people that have flipped and are now cooperating.
6. Says the troll.

So.. let's go back to where we started. WHERE IS THE OTHER RUSSIAN INVESTIGATION that is the topic of this thread???

If you want to talk about other investigations that do NOT include RUSSIA, make yourself a new thread.

[Methais]

Where's the deflection?

https://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/1/590x/secondary/Donald-Trump-Hillary-Clinton-714497.jpg


What other investigation involving Russia and this administration is there? Be specific.

In before your next deflection. <--- :lol:


You know the answer to that one. Now what about your secret sources inside Mueller's camp that have told you they haven't found any collusion? Why haven't you gone to Fox News with your insider information?

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[Androidpk]

So.. let's go back to where we started. WHERE IS THE OTHER RUSSIAN INVESTIGATION that is the topic of this thread???

If you want to talk about other investigations that do NOT include RUSSIA, make yourself a new thread.

Still deflecting. Shocker.

[Gelston]

Still deflecting. Shocker.

You're deflecting. What other Russian investigations are open?

[Fortybox]

You're deflecting. What other Russian investigations are open?

Super secret ones apparently.

[Parkbandit]

Still deflecting. Shocker.

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[Fortybox]

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[time4fun]

Remember when people were complaining about the Clinton Foundation being used as a pay2play vehicle for Hillary when she was Secretary of State? And now it's coming out that companies were paying Cohen for access to Trump and it's nothing but crickets from Republicans and their propaganda outlets.

Also Trump's actual personal foundation was under investigation for functioning as a pay to play slush fund

[RichardCranium]

Also Trump's actual personal foundation was under investigation for functioning as a pay to play slush fund

The Clinton Foundation has ties to the "Russian oligarchy" outed recently. Where does the slippery slope start and end?

[Parkbandit]

The Clinton Foundation has ties to the "Russian oligarchy" outed recently. Where does the slippery slope start and end?

It's starts and ends with Trump. You must hate Trump.

Everything else is nonsense. Feel the outrage.

Resist!

[Androidpk]

Special Counsel has interviewed Erik Prince recently.

[time4fun]

The Clinton Foundation has ties to the "Russian oligarchy" outed recently. Where does the slippery slope start and end?

well, for one, the Clintons don't run the Clinton Foundation. It's a public Foundation. Which Russian ties are these exactly?

Meanwhile, the Trump Foundation is a private foundation which IS run by Trump. And it had to be shut down (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/donald-trump-shutting-down-his-charitable-foundation-n822636) because it was being used illegally.

False equivalence. Just because you can string a sentence together with "Clinton" and "Foundation" doesn't mean it's the same sentence you'd get when you string "Trump" and "Foundation" together.

[Fortybox]

well, for one, the Clintons don't run the Clinton Foundation. It's a public Foundation. Which Russian ties are these exactly?

Meanwhile, the Trump Foundation is a private foundation which IS run by Trump. And it had to be shut down (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/donald-trump-shutting-down-his-charitable-foundation-n822636) because it was being used illegally.

False equivalence. Just because you can string a sentence together with "Clinton" and "Foundation" doesn't mean it's the same sentence you'd get when you string "Trump" and "Foundation" together.

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[Gelston]

well, for one, the Clintons don't run the Clinton Foundation. It's a public Foundation.

You mean the Clinton Foundation that has Bill Clinton as the Chairman and Chelsea as the Vice Chair? The one that Hillary was also on the board of at one time too?

[Fortybox]

You mean the Clinton Foundation that has Bill Clinton as the Chairman and Chelsea as the Vice Chair? The one that Hillary was also on the board of at one time too?

Facts don't matter.

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[time4fun]

You mean the Clinton Foundation that has Bill Clinton as the Chairman and Chelsea as the Vice Chair? The one that Hillary was also on the board of at one time too?

Of the board. They help raise money for the Foundation. That's what a board does.

They aren't involved in running the day-to-day operations of the Clinton Foundation. Which- again- is a public Foundation.

There are about 20 people in leadership roles who run the actual Foundation.

[Gelston]

Of the board. They help raise money for the Foundation. That's what a board does.

They aren't involved in running the day-to-day operations of the Clinton Foundation. Which- again- is a public Foundation.

There are about 20 people in leadership roles who run the actual Foundation.

Boards are also the head of the foundation and run it. They make the decisions and point the direction of it. Chairman and Vice Chairman are pretty fucking important positions and I'd wager that whatever the Clintons say the Clinton Foundation does.

[~Rocktar~]

Of the board. They help raise money for the Foundation. That's what a board does.

They aren't involved in running the day-to-day operations of the Clinton Foundation. Which- again- is a public Foundation.

There are about 20 people in leadership roles who run the actual Foundation.

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[RichardCranium]

well, for one, the Clintons don't run the Clinton Foundation. It's a public Foundation. Which Russian ties are these exactly?

Viktor Vekselberg, the primary investor for Columbus Nova. He's also tied to U1.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/nathanvardi/2018/05/09/columbus-nova-a-family-office-owned-by-americans/amp/

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[Parkbandit]

Of the board. They help raise money for the Foundation. That's what a board does.

They aren't involved in running the day-to-day operations of the Clinton Foundation. Which- again- is a public Foundation.

There are about 20 people in leadership roles who run the actual Foundation.

Not sure if you are being your usual willfully ignorant or this is really you being stupid again. It's a 50/50 shot.

Now I know you've probably been Board President or Board CEO of an equally large Foundation.. but let's pretend for a moment you haven't come up with that storyline yet.

Do you believe that if Bill Clinton said to whatever puppet he has set up as the leader of his foundation "Um, we're taking this money from this questionable source and we're going to be using it for this reason. You don't need to worry about it because that money will be in and out before you have any problems", that the puppet won't just be like "Ok Mr. Clinton. By the way, thanks again for giving me this job!"

In your fairy tale version, you would have the CEO basically telling Bill Clinton or Hillary Clinton to fuck off.. that they run the Clinton Foundation and that they are above any shady Clinton shit that he may be trying to pull.

[Neveragain]

Viktor Vekselberg, the primary investor for Columbus Nova. He's also tied to U1.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/nathanvardi/2018/05/09/columbus-nova-a-family-office-owned-by-americans/amp/

https://i.imgur.com/vx2R8Fl.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/3lmdeLD.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/ebw9kMB.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/tlWhMUq.jpg

Is this the "Other Russian investigation" that we need to start another Russian investigation thread for?

[Methais]

Not sure if you are being your usual willfully ignorant or this is really you being stupid again. It's a 50/50 shot.

Now I know you've probably been Board President or Board CEO of an equally large Foundation.. but let's pretend for a moment you haven't come up with that storyline yet.

Do you believe that if Bill Clinton said to whatever puppet he has set up as the leader of his foundation "Um, we're taking this money from this questionable source and we're going to be using it for this reason. You don't need to worry about it because that money will be in and out before you have any problems", that the puppet won't just be like "Ok Mr. Clinton. By the way, thanks again for giving me this job!"

In your fairy tale version, you would have the CEO basically telling Bill Clinton or Hillary Clinton to fuck off.. that they run the Clinton Foundation and that they are above any shady Clinton shit that he may be trying to pull.

Hillary is as pure as the driven snow. You just feel threatened because you're a sexist bigot. Reported.

[Parkbandit]

Hillary is as pure as the driven snow. You just feel threatened because you're a sexist bigot. Reported.

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[Neveragain]

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[Neveragain]

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[cwolff]

Remember the Rosneft stuff? Avenatti's tweets today referenced that. For those interested Seth Abramson is doing a thread on it here.

https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/995853600554405889



@SethAbramson

25/ So Steele's dossier gets another ringing endorsement; thus far not a word of it has been proven false—and a majority of it has been confirmed. Now we know why Mueller wanted Papadopoulos, Flynn and Gates. And why he's gunning for Cohen. He seems to have Trump checkmated. /end

PS/ When Papadopoulos, Flynn and Gates got sweetheart deals, Trump shills like Alan Dershowitz said the deals were proof Mueller had nothing. I said the opposite: the deals were proof the men who got those deals had *everything* on Trump. More and more it's clear that's the case.

[Methais]

Remember the Rosneft stuff? Avenatti's tweets today referenced that. For those interested Seth Abramson is doing a thread on it here.

https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/995853600554405889

Give it up already soydildoff.

[cwolff]

BREAKING: Elena Gremina, writer of play One Hour Eighteen Minutes about the murder of Sergei Magnitsky, found dead in Moscow at the age of 61. This is 6 weeks after her husband Mikhail Ugarov director of same play died. ‘Heart attacks’ in both cases https://t.co/kyitAAJ85C

Being an anti Putin Russian is seriously bad for your health

[RichardCranium]

Being an anti Putin Russian is seriously bad for your health

There's only one recent political name synonymous with death in America.

[cwolff]

There's only one recent political name synonymous with death in America.

That's the propoganda talking. All that killary shot Vince foster and Seth rich stuff. That's conspiracy theory but the fact that its so ingrained really speaks to the effectiveness of propoganda.

[Methais]

That's the propoganda talking. All that killary shot Vince foster and Seth rich stuff. That's conspiracy theory but the fact that its so ingrained really speaks to the effectiveness of propoganda.

He never said Hillary. Why the guilty conscience?

Even time4fun gave up on Russia. Why won't you?

[Wrathbringer]

That's the propoganda talking. All that killary shot Vince foster and Seth rich stuff. That's conspiracy theory but the fact that its so ingrained really speaks to the effectiveness of propoganda.

You're retarded.

[Wrathbringer]

He never said Hillary. Why the guilty conscience?

Even time4flatulence gave up on Russia. Why won't you?

fixed

[Methais]

fixed

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[RichardCranium]

That's the propoganda talking. All that killary shot Vince foster and Seth rich stuff. That's conspiracy theory but the fact that its so ingrained really speaks to the effectiveness of propoganda.

Why is all of the speculation about Russian collusion pretty solid evidence for you, yet anything you don't agree with is immediately dismissed as propaganda?

[cwolff]

Why is all of the speculation about Russian collusion pretty solid evidence for you, yet anything you don't agree with is immediately dismissed as propaganda?

There is rock solid evidence of collusion. We don't know who else will be charged or how high it goes but collusion's been proven.

The Hillary conspiracies are just that; conspiracy theory.

The discussion we're having now is more akin to debating the existence of God than dealing with reality. You all have to accept that Hillary is not the wicked witch of Little Rock but just a politician like any other.

[RichardCranium]

There is rock solid evidence of collusion. We don't know who else will be charged or how high it goes but collusion's been proven.

There was rock solid evidence in the email scandal as well. We know how that turned out.


The discussion we're having now is more akin to debating the existence of God than dealing with reality. You all have to accept that Hillary is not the wicked witch of Little Rock but just a politician like any other.

That's redundant, and also the point. They all suck.

[Androidpk]

There was rock solid evidence in the email scandal as well. We know how that turned out.

Yeah, she lost the presidency.

[RichardCranium]

Yeah, she lost the presidency.

Thanks James Comey.

[Androidpk]

Thanks James Comey.

I think you can thank Bill Clinton for that. If he had never met with AG Lynch then Comey wouldn't have had to make those moves.

[RichardCranium]

I think you can thank Bill Clinton for that. If he had never met with AG Lynch then Comey wouldn't have had to make those moves.

Bill had to put the fear of God in Lynch.

[Methais]

There is rock solid evidence of collusion. We don't know who else will be charged or how high it goes but collusion's been proven.

The Hillary conspiracies are just that; conspiracy theory.

The discussion we're having now is more akin to debating the existence of God than dealing with reality. You all have to accept that Hillary is not the wicked witch of Little Rock but just a politician like any other.

A true retard, being truly retarded.

[Androidpk]

Bill had to put the fear of God in Hillary.
.

[RichardCranium]

.

I have a hard time believing he wears the pants in that relationship.

Unless that was sarcasm punctuation in which case, I fail.

[Androidpk]

I have a hard time believing he wears the pants in that relationship.

Unless that was sarcasm punctuation in which case, I fail.

You think he wanted to be first husband? I don't.

[RichardCranium]

I lol'd.

[cwolff]

So this happened...


“Our staff concluded that the [intelligence community’s] conclusions were accurate and on point,” the panel’s vice chairman, Sen. Mark R. Warner (D-Va.), said Wednesday in a joint statement with Sen. Richard Burr (R-N.C.), its chairman. “The Russian effort was extensive, sophisticated, and ordered by President Putin himself for the purpose of helping Donald Trump and hurting Hillary Clinton,” Warner continued.

[Methais]

So this happened...


Hi guys. I'm extremely stupid and gay. Not homosexual gay, just fag gay.

[Parkbandit]

So this happened...

So... still no collusion.

Weird.

[cwolff]

We had nothing to do with Russians.

Ok, maybe we had something to do with a few Russians.

Ok, maybe it was more than a few, but there was no collusion.

Ok, maybe there was collusion, but it doesn’t matter. https://t.co/A9iGsyrc3p https://twitter.com/alexzfinley/status/997000575739887616?s=19


Rudy Giuliani on Russia investigation: "When I ran against [Democrats] they were looking for dirt on me every day, I mean, that's what you do...Nothing illegal about that. And even if it comes from a Russian or a German or an American, it doesn't matter." @IngrahamAngle https://t.co/ddFaxZR44z

Did Rudy actually say that its ok to take accept something of value from a foreign government that will help you win an election?

His back up defense is that they would have colluded if they could, but unfortunately they weren't able to.

They're paying Rudy nothing and getting every penny's worth

[RichardCranium]

Your last two post have had no link and linked Twitter, respectively.

[cwolff]

The links work for me. They are links to twitter

The warner quote does not have link though.

[cwolff]

Wow, word seems to be coming out that the Obama FBI “SPIED ON THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN WITH AN EMBEDDED INFORMANT.” Andrew McCarthy says, “There’s probably no doubt that they had at least one confidential informant in the campaign.” If so, this is bigger than Watergate!

LMAO. I don't doubt for a second that they had an informant. Possibly Carter Page.

The irony is that trump is Watergate and the LEO's are doing their job.

BTW: that quote is from a trump tweet

[RichardCranium]

From the NYT yesterday: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/16/us/politics/crossfire-hurricane-trump-russia-fbi-mueller-investigation.html

They also used NSL's:


The F.B.I. obtained phone records and other documents using national security letters — a secret type of subpoena — officials said. And at least one government informant met several times with Mr. Page and Mr. Papadopoulos, current and former officials said. That has become a politically contentious point, with Mr. Trump’s allies questioning whether the F.B.I. was spying on the Trump campaign or trying to entrap campaign officials.

[Neveragain]

LMAO. I don't doubt for a second that they had an informant. Possibly Carter Page.

The irony is that trump is Watergate and the LEO's are doing their job.

BTW: that quote is from a trump tweet

cwolff is Himmler - confirmed.

[cwolff]

From the NYT yesterday: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/16/us/politics/crossfire-hurricane-trump-russia-fbi-mueller-investigation.html

They also used NSL's:

Oh so they did tap his wires? Or other peoples? Very interesting. I'll owe donald a beer for calling him a liar about that


cwolff is Himmler - confirmed.

You're trying too hard.

[Gelston]

Oh so they did tap his wires? Or other peoples? Very interesting. I'll owe donald a beer for calling him a liar about that



Donald doesn't drink.

[cwolff]

Donald doesn't drink.

Ya, I'm not actually going to meet him up for a drink.

[Gelston]

Ya, I'm not actually going to meet him up for a drink.

So you are lying? Reported.

[Methais]

cwolff is Himmler - confirmed.

There’s nothing “him” about cwolff. At all.


Ya, I'm not actually going to meet him up for a drink.

OH OK THANKS FOR CLARIFYING!!!

[~Rocktar~]

Donald doesn't drink.

Maybe buy him McDonalds or something.

[Methais]

Maybe buy him McDonalds or something.

Or buy him a steak and spend the following 3 weeks going nuts over it being well done with ketchup. Because that's how you determine if a president should be impeached or not.

[cwolff]

I never heard of this guy.


Paul Manafort’s former son-in-law will reportedly cooperate with federal investigators and has cut a plea deal. According to Reuters, Jeffrey Yohai, who was previously married to Manafort’s daughter, could be asked to assist with special counsel Robert Mueller’s prosecution of Manafort, the former Trump campaign manager. Manafort has pleaded not guilty to the plethora of charges against him, and continues to fight the special counsel in court. from the daily beast

[RichardCranium]

Or buy him a steak and spend the following 3 weeks going nuts over it being well done with ketchup. Because that's how you determine if a president should be impeached or not.

To be fair, it should be critiqued.

[ClydeR]

Whoa! Trump really went at it this morning. He's still mad about not being invited to The Wedding.


https://i.imgur.com/TOZ409P.jpg

And continuing this afternoon..


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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DdqFuowU0AES41R.jpg

This is the article (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/19/us/politics/trump-jr-saudi-uae-nader-prince-zamel.html) he is talking about. I was planning to quote the part Trump mentioned about Mueller giving up on the Russia investigation, but I couldn't find that part of the article.

[cwolff]

Hes losing it. They ought to have him step aside and let Pence take the reins until trump gets his shit together

[Methais]

I’m so butthurt that not even a sale at The Gap can cheer me up.

We already know. No need to keep reminding us.

[Parkbandit]

President Trump's not wrong though.

One year and still no collusion.

[Back]

President Trump's not wrong though.

One year and still no collusion.

Yeah and you're the only one who believes that. But most likely you don't believe there wasn't any collusion. You just like to make liberals mad, right?

It's disturbing that people like yourself aren't alarmed by Putin's attempts to influence on our country. You do realize he wants America to fail?

[~Rocktar~]

You do realize he wants America to fail?

What is more terrible is that you and other Liberal/Socialist yahoos don't understand that the policies you espouse ARE making America fail.

[Methais]

Yeah and you're the only one who believes that. But most likely you don't believe there wasn't any collusion. You just like to make liberals mad, right?

It's disturbing that people like yourself aren't alarmed by Putin's attempts to influence on our country. You do realize he wants America to fail?

Most people don’t believe there was any collusion.

The only ones left who do are the extremely retarded like you and cwolffellatio.

But feel free to explain why Mueller still has literally 0 evidence.

[Gelston]

Most people don’t believe there was any collusion.

The only ones left who do are the extremely retarded like you and cwolffellatio.

But feel free to explain why Mueller still has literally 0 evidence.

The investigation just turned 1 year old today.

[Back]

What is more terrible is that you and other Liberal/Socialist yahoos don't understand that the policies you espouse ARE making America fail.

I think the real problem is the forces that pit us against each other. Again, something Putin wants and has been working for. An American nation divided, fighting itself.

America is still an experiment in democracy. There is nothing like it in the history of humankind. Its pretty impressive that it is still going despite everything going against it.

[Wrathbringer]

I think the real problem is the forces that pit us against each other. Again, something Putin wants and has been working for. An American nation divided, fighting itself.

America is still an experiment in democracy. There is nothing like it in the history of humankind. Its pretty impressive that it is still going despite everything going against it.

There's something wrong with you.

[cwolff]

I think the real problem is the forces that pit us against each other. Again, something Putin wants and has been working for. An American nation divided, fighting itself.

America is still an experiment in democracy. There is nothing like it in the history of humankind. Its pretty impressive that it is still going despite everything going against it.

Yup. They created a market and found that it was profitable but its out of control now. The right wing media dug itself a hole. They've got to keep peddling Bullshit or the whole conspiracy theory based movement falls apart.

It was all too easy for the FSB to exploit this.

[RichardCranium]

Yup. They created a market and found that it was profitable but its out of control now. The right wing media dug itself a hole. They've got to keep peddling Bullshit or the whole conspiracy theory based movement falls apart.

It was all too easy for the FSB to exploit this.

You sound EXACTLY like a Republican.

[cwolff]

You sound EXACTLY like a Republican.

I used to be one and am appalled at what's become of the "Grand Old Party"

[cwolff]

WASHINGTON — The special counsel plans to finish by Sept. 1 the investigation into whether President Trump obstructed the Russia inquiry, according to the president’s lawyer Rudolph W. Giuliani, who said on Sunday that waiting any longer would risk improperly influencing voters in the midterm elections in November.

That sounds like terrible timing for influencing the midterms but if the report isn't horrible against trump then they will have a couple months to spin it as a win.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/20/us/politics/mueller-trump-obstruction-september-giuliani.html?smtyp=cur&smid=tw-nytimes

[RichardCranium]

I used to be one and am appalled at what's become of the "Grand Old Party"

I'm just saying if you change "right wing media" to MSM then you have a right wing talking point.

Which means Back has a point.

[cwolff]

I'm just saying if you change "right wing media" to MSM then you have a right wing talking point.

Which means Back has a point.

Ya, I think a lot of folks say that. The idea is predicated on the theory that all journalism is anti-conservative/pro-liberal, therefore pro republican journalism is simply an un-covered perspective. IMO, it's a false equivalency. It's high time for the GOP to stand up for some truth over party.

2016 is a great example. Also; Fake news is much more heavily created and promoted on the right. It's propaganda masquerading as "news". Even Fox's news division struggles to educate their viewers who seem to tune in more for the comfort of being told what they want to hear than actual news.

[RichardCranium]

Ya, I think a lot of folks say that. The idea is predicated on the theory that all journalism is anti-conservative/pro-liberal, therefore pro republican journalism is simply an un-covered perspective. IMO, it's a false equivalency. It's high time for the GOP to stand up for some truth over party.

2016 is a great example. Also; Fake news is much more heavily created and promoted on the right. It's propaganda masquerading as "news". Even Fox's news division struggles to educate their viewers who seem to tune in more for the comfort of being told what they want to hear than actual news.

Yeah, no. What I'm saying is that both sides are sky screaming about the exact same thing. It's always the other sides fault.

[Parkbandit]

Yeah and you're the only one who believes that. But most likely you don't believe there wasn't any collusion. You just like to make liberals mad, right?

Sorry Backtrash, I only deal in facts. Fact is: No evidence of Trump colluding with Russians. The only ones that still hang onto some crazy hope that there is, are liberals who are STILL crying over the election. Like you.


It's disturbing that people like yourself aren't alarmed by Putin's attempts to influence on our country. You do realize he wants America to fail?

You're being easily manipulated by others who want America to fail.. and it's not Putin.

[Parkbandit]

I think the real problem is the forces that pit us against each other. Again, something Putin wants and has been working for. An American nation divided, fighting itself.

America is still an experiment in democracy. There is nothing like it in the history of humankind. Its pretty impressive that it is still going despite everything going against it.

And look who's back to claim the title.

Well done... although you should make these move when time4retarded is on. We could use a good cage match between the two of you.

[cwolff]

Yeah, no. What I'm saying is that both sides are sky screaming about the exact same thing. It's always the other sides fault.

In this Russia investigation case it's the same side fighting itself with Republicans appointed by trump leading the DOJ and republicans leading the investigation and republicans being investigated. trumps does an excellent job of muddying the waters but this is really a republican thing. Dems are certainly hoping for a vigorous investigation and want trump to get fucked, but don't lose sight of the single political party nature of this.

There's way more to this than "both sides". That explanation is too simple and absolves you of responsibility. As an idea it's absolutely killing us. Especially now as we deal with a potus with zero sense of responsibility or appreciation for history. There was a program about McCain on TV last night. We're going to look back and see him as the last of a breed that put party before country. So far, that's a right wing problem. Perhaps it'll spread to the left, but it hasn't yet. Who knows, at some point the left may become as horrible as the right but so far they've not embraced the same type of means to achieve any end.

[Back]

I'm just saying if you change "right wing media" to MSM then you have a right wing talking point.

Which means Back has a point.

You know who else calls real journalists "fake news" and MSM? Putin's Russia. Their loyal news agencies are straight up propaganda machines.

Dude. Think about it for a second. When your government tells you not to believe any independent journalists out there where do you think they expect you to get your information? They (the government) want you to unquestioningly believe everything they tell you. Are you really going to trust politicians over independent journalists?

[Wrathbringer]

You know who else calls real journalists "fake news" and MSM? Putin's Russia. Their loyal news agencies are straight up propaganda machines.

Dude. Think about it for a second. When your government tells you not to believe any independent journalists out there where do you think they expect you to get your information? They (the government) want you to unquestioningly believe everything they tell you. Are you really going to trust politicians over independent journalists?

You're retarded.

[RichardCranium]

There was a program about McCain on TV last night. We're going to look back and see him as the last of a breed that put party before country. So far, that's a right wing problem.

Holy shit. Yeah, we may as well not discuss anything politically anymore.

[RichardCranium]

Are you really going to trust politicians over independent journalists?

I don't trust any of them.

[cwolff]

Holy shit. Yeah, we may as well not discuss anything politically anymore.

What's wrong with McCain? I didn't agree with him on everything but he stood for something. Up until Palin, he had my vote and today he and a handful of others are willing to hold a line against the debasement of the GOP.

[Methais]

What's wrong with McCain? I didn't agree with him on everything but he stood for something. Up until Palin, he had my vote and today he and a handful of others are willing to hold a line against the debasement of the GOP.

People like McCain are what's wrong with the party.

And you're retarded.

[Parkbandit]

You know who else calls real journalists "fake news" and MSM? Putin's Russia. Their loyal news agencies are straight up propaganda machines.

Dude. Think about it for a second. When your government tells you not to believe any independent journalists out there where do you think they expect you to get your information? They (the government) want you to unquestioningly believe everything they tell you. Are you really going to trust politicians over independent journalists?

Honest question: What television stations, in your head, do you believe are "independent journalists" and not bias to the left or the right?

[Methais]

Honest question: What television stations, in your head, do you believe are "independent journalists" and not bias to the left or the right?

Good luck getting a straight answer from Cracklash on that.

[Parkbandit]

What's wrong with McCain? I didn't agree with him on everything but he stood for something. Up until Palin, he had my vote and today he and a handful of others are willing to hold a line against the debasement of the GOP.

The only thing he stood for was to be elected and to hold onto his power in the Senate.

He would do or say anything to that end.

[Parkbandit]

Good luck getting a straight answer from Cracklash on that.

Tomorrow's Tuesday... he might just get drunk enough to be honest.

[Parkbandit]

You’re retarded.

In before you get rekt again.

What's it like, to do all this hoop jumping, making new accounts and new email addresses, sign up, post a couple times, get outted for being a retarded troll and get banned.. all for a measly $25.00 that you feel you were robbed of?

Damn son.. that's downright pathetic.

[Parkbandit]

When you are choking on big black dicks do you feel better about your facist political views?

You are the one that fantasizing about making money doing gay porn. No one else has.

Sorry. Choking on a big black dick sounds more your hobby. Not mine.

[Methais]

OK Methhead.

OK GRIMGAY!!!!!!!!!!!!1111

[Parkbandit]

Homophobe. Disgusting.

More of a Necrophobe. And not in the manner where he is afraid of you.. just that he hopes you choke on that big black dick you fantasize about all the time.

[Methais]

Homophobe. Disgusting.

Does acknowledging a gay person's gayness make them a homophobe? Why is that, Grimgay?

[Methais]

lol @ how desperate Necro is for me to give him attention

https://i.imgur.com/B1edsnK.png

[Methais]

Still got you didn’t I, bitch.

Not really, I left out a lot of info in my response, as I figured there was a 50/50 chance it was you. If I wasn't making an effort to not just assume that all new accounts are you, then it would have been 100%. Which in the back of my mind, it was, but I tried to give the benefit of the doubt anyway, mainly because you hadn't started licking cwolff's asshole yet in the politics folder.

It's hilarious how desperate you are for my attention though. Not hilarious for you though. For you it's pathetic, but for the rest of us it's hilarious what a train wreck of a socially awkward sack of autistic herpes you are.

The only one guaranteed to get got here is you anyway because in b4 rekt for the 95837042370429th time.

[Methais]

I’m pretty sure this isn’t true...



Biiiiiiiiiiitchh.

https://m.popkey.co/505b5e/Y9AVV.gif

So you didn't comprehend anything I said at all. You also admitted to licking cwolff's asshole. Gross.

Literally 0 people here are shocked by this.

In b4 rekt.

:lol:

[Parkbandit]

All this for $25 dollars...

Who stole your money Necro. Tell us so we can blame him for your very existence.

[RichardCranium]

All this for $25 dollars...

Who stole your money Necro. Tell us so we can blame him for your very existence.

I heard it was an Italian.

[Methais]

I heard it was an Italian.

Necro has a thing for Italians both because he wants my massive dong, and also because Wyrom is Italian and Necro has a boner for him too. I’d say huge boner but there’s nothing huge about Necro except for his retardedness.

[cwolff]

Giuliani Says He Opposes Letting Trump Speak to Mueller
Should President Donald Trump choose to testify, Rudy Giuliani said he would want interview to take place mid-July
By Peter Nicholas
May 22, 2018 7:22 p.m. ET

Lawyers for President Donald Trump are increasingly skeptical of letting him give an interview with prosecutors running the Russia investigation, but are thinking through how to prepare him for the possible high-stakes session nonetheless.

This was from WSJ. There's no way trump does the interview and that's never been in doubt. I'm sick of these newsrooms pretending like it's still up in the air. The fucking guy can't keep his stories straight from one minute to the next. No way he can pull off this interview.

[Parkbandit]

So.. still no collusion?

Shocker.

[Androidpk]

the Mueller team has asked for the courts to begin the sentencing process on George Papadopoulos, indicating his cooperation is no longer needed

[Wrathbringer]

the Mueller team has asked for the courts to begin the sentencing process on George Papadopoulos, indicating his cooperation is no longer needed

thanks. Not sure what any of us would have done today had you not posted this. Thanks again.

[Methais]

thanks. Not sure what any of us would have done today had you not posted this. Thanks again.

Don't you see what this means?

It means OMG THIS IS REALLY IT OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111111

[cwolff]

This WaPo piece has some real gems in it from Guiliani. The dems that have a national stage won't do much about it though. I'm getting frustrated that the dems are totally incapable of making hay from all this political sunshing.


By Josh Dawsey
May 23rd at 3:33 PM

President Trump’s attorney Rudolph W. Giuliani switched gears Wednesday, saying that he would prefer the president grant an interview to special counsel Robert S. Mueller III’s office and that a decision would be made within “the next couple weeks.”

“I guess I’d rather do the interview. It gets it over with. It makes my client happy,” he said in an interview with The Washington Post. “The safe course you hear every lawyer say is don’t do the interview, and that’s easy to say in the abstract. That’s much harder when you have a client who is the president of the United States and wants to be interviewed.”

Giuliani had expressed skepticism in recent days about an interview with the team investigating Russian interference in the 2016 election, telling the Wall Street Journal on Tuesday that his decision would be no if a choice had to be made immediately. “If they said you have to do it now, the answer would have to be no,” Giuliani told the Journal.

In Wednesday morning’s interview with The Post, Giuliani said the president sometimes seesaws on whether he wants to do an interview. “There have been a few days where he says, ‘Maybe you guys are right,’ ” Giuliani said, referring to Trump attorneys who have warned against an interview. “Then he goes right back to, ‘Why shouldn’t I?’ ”

Giuliani said he was concerned that the president would become a target or that the interview would be a perjury trap, because the “truth is relative.” The president’s legal team continues to try to set limitations on an interview, including the duration and questions posed, he said.

“They may have a different version of the truth than we do,” Giuliani said.

Many of Trump’s advisers have expressed concern that he would be accused of committing perjury in an interview.

Giuliani said the legal team did expect questions on Trump’s conduct after he took office.

The former New York mayor said that he was handling much of the public-facing role for Trump’s legal team, while Jane and Martin Raskin — two Florida lawyers new to the team — are reviewing facts and interacting with Mueller’s office.

He also said new White House lawyer Emmet Flood was preparing memos explaining how the office could fight a subpoena to testify or challenge any intent to indict the president.
Giuliani also said the president was unlikely to make changes at the Justice Department and had no intention of firing Mueller, Deputy Attorney General Rod J. Rosenstein or Attorney General Jeff Sessions — all three of whom have come under sustained attack from the president.

“I don’t think he is going to make changes. I wouldn’t advise it,” he said.
“Before I was his lawyer, more of his political adviser, we might talk about it,” he said. “We don’t talk about it at all now.”

Giuliani said he speaks with the president most days and that Trump appreciates the vociferous defense he gives him on TV. He attributed the president’s increasing talk about the probe on Twitter to optimism. “He feels the public opinion is turning in his favor,” Giuliani said.

“Why is this still going on? Whatever they have — why don’t they conclude it?” Giuliani said, describing the president’s thinking. “His tweeting has been effective.”

[cwolff]

The FBI has obtained secret wiretaps collected by Spanish police of conversations involving Alexander Torshin, a deputy governor of Russia’s Central Bank who has forged close ties with U.S. lawmakers and the National Rifle Association, that led to a meeting with Donald Trump Jr. during the gun lobby’s annual convention in Louisville, Ky., in May 2016, a top Spanish prosecutor said Friday.

José Grinda, who has spearheaded investigations into Spanish organized crime, said that bureau officials in recent months requested and were provided transcripts of wiretapped conversations between Torshin and Alexander Romanov, a convicted Russian money launderer. On the wiretaps, Romanov refers to Torshin as “El Padrino,” the godfather.

“Just a few months ago, the wiretaps of these telephone conversations were given to the FBI,” Grinda said in response to a question from Yahoo News during a talk he gave at the Hudson Institute, a conservative think tank in Washington. Asked if he was concerned about Torshin’s meetings with Donald Trump Jr. and other American political figures, Grinda replied: “Mr. Trump’s son should be concerned.”

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trumps-son-concerned-wiretaps-show-trump-jr-met-putin-ally-231215529.html

[Wrathbringer]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trumps-son-concerned-wiretaps-show-trump-jr-met-putin-ally-231215529.html

No one cares.

[cwolff]

Giuliani on Mueller attacks: "It is for public opinion, because eventually the decision here is going to be impeach, not impeach. Members of Congress, Democrats and Republicans, are going to be informed a lot by their constituents. So our jury... is the American people."

Giuliani is probably too honest and that's a weird thing to say. He's not being a great lawyer but a good mouthpiece

[ClydeR]

Bad news for political entertainment. Trump is going to stop tweeting about the Russia investigation and begin working on other matters. With this shift in emphasis, we might have to wait hours for the next witch hunt tweet.



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DeXHWciVAAUWPD8.jpg

[cwolff]

He really has to buckle down and study for finals. LMAO

He's the psychological profile gift that keeps on giving

[cwolff]

Andrew Desiderio
‏
Verified account

@desiderioDC

Trey Gowdy is arguing on Fox News right now that the FBI acted properly when it used a confidential informant for the Trump campaign as part of the counter-intel investigation into Russia’s election interference.
4:07 PM - 29 May 2018 Andrew Desiderio
‏


They will still peddle the witch hunt story, even with Gowdy saying this.

[Androidpk]

They will still peddle the witch hunt story, even with Gowdy saying this.

Duh, Gowdy is just a Dumbocrat posing as a Republican. Drain the swamp!

/s

[Androidpk]

Bad news for political entertainment. Trump is going to stop tweeting about the Russia investigation and begin working on other matters. With this shift in emphasis, we might have to wait hours for the next witch hunt tweet.

Yup, he couldn't even make it 24 hours before crying some more about this on Twitter.

[cwolff]

Trumps being bitching about Sessions for a year now because he recused himself from the Russia investigation. Because of the recusal the Deputy AG whom trump appointed is the head guy at Justice who oversees the Russian stuff. Does anyone know what disservice Sessions is doing by recusing? What's the explanation? I always see the coverage about Sessions recusal but have heard no explanations of how this damages trump. He still has a trump appointee in charge.

[Androidpk]

It's damaging to Trump, at least according to Trump, because his AG is supposed to protect him.

[~Rocktar~]

Sessions should have told Trump he was going to recuse himself if given the position ahead of time. I don't know if the question was asked before he was appointed so I don't know if he lied about it.

I have other thoughts on the investigation, it's investigators and circumstances but the Liberal crybullies on the forum continue to dismiss the facts of the matter in their fevered hopes that some non-collusion issue might be found with which to try and impeach Trump since they still can't get over the fact that he won.

[Androidpk]

Sessions should have told Trump he was going to recuse himself if given the position ahead of time. I don't know if the question was asked before he was appointed so I don't know if he lied about it.

I have other thoughts on the investigation, it's investigators and circumstances but the Liberal crybullies on the forum continue to dismiss the facts of the matter in their fevered hopes that some non-collusion issue might be found with which to try and impeach Trump since they still can't get over the fact that he won.

Is Rod Rosenstein a liberal crybully that can't get over the fact that Trump won (and then appointed him deputy AG)? The only people dismissing facts is you and the gang of trolls that add nothing to the discussion.

[cwolff]

Is Rod Rosenstein a liberal crybully that can't get over the fact that Trump won (and then appointed him deputy AG)? The only people dismissing facts is you and the gang of trolls that add nothing to the discussion.

How was Sessions supposed to know that he'd have to recuse himself? Has anyone answered that?

He did his senate hearing before the inauguration and that was a full month before trump was pressuring Comey to protect Flynn then ultimately firing Flynn. How was he supposed to know in December that he'd have to recuse himself from investigations heating the next year?

[~Rocktar~]

How was Sessions supposed to know that he'd have to recuse himself? Has anyone answered that?

If there is a brewing storm/controversy and a call to action from politicians and you are interviewing for a job that is centered around that storm/controversy and you have some personal involvement that might affect your handling of such issues, you might want to bring that kind of thing up in your job interview.

[cwolff]

If there is a brewing storm/controversy and a call to action from politicians and you are interviewing for a job that is centered around that storm/controversy and you have some personal involvement that might affect your handling of such issues, you might want to bring that kind of thing up in your job interview.

He was trumps man all along. One of trumps earliest supporters and trump put him up for AG during the transition. He didn't nominate himself and he didn't come out of nowhere. How was he supposed to know that trump would ratchet up the Russian investigations by supporting Flynn over Yates' warning and asking Comey for loyalty and to protect Flynn.

No, you're all trying to absolve trump of his bad judgement. He obviously exercises a lot of bad judgement and it's ok to vote for him, yet still call him out for making bad decisions. You don't have to be in a cult.

[Androidpk]

If there is a brewing storm/controversy and a call to action from politicians and you are interviewing for a job that is centered around that storm/controversy and you have some personal involvement that might affect your handling of such issues, you might want to bring that kind of thing up in your job interview.

Except you're forgetting why Sessions was hired. Trump knew he was involved with these Russian meetings and back channel communications. He hired Sessions to be a firewall. Lucky for the US though Sessions grew a bit of a spine and did the right thing.

[cwolff]

Except you're forgetting why Sessions was hired. Trump knew he was involved with these Russian meetings and back channel communications. He hired Sessions to be a firewall. Lucky for the US though Sessions grew a bit of a spine and did the right thing.

With the help of Chaffetz, Issa and the DOJ ethics office. He was kind of forced to recuse. The day before it came out that he lied about meeting Kislyak or some other Russians and the GOP demanded it along with democrats.

In any case, the "He should have known" story is utter bunk and even if he didn't recuse; what the hell is he supposed to do? Fight Mueller at high noon with six shooters on the steps of the Capital?

[~Rocktar~]

Is Rod Rosenstein a liberal crybully that can't get over the fact that Trump won (and then appointed him deputy AG)? The only people dismissing facts is you and the gang of trolls that add nothing to the discussion.

You are a Liberal crybull and a lot of other things. Some facts you are denying, Muller's team is loaded with Liberal lawyers with a history of voting democrat and in several cases known public sympathies and/or contributions to DNC candidates. Mueller was a fairly close friend of Comey, with whom is supposed to be part of the investigation. Trumps campaign was wire tapped, there was an apparent informant in the campaign feeding info to the FBI and quite possibly Obama and Clinton and even with the wiretap and spy, they still bother to carry on the charade of Trump/Russia collusion. Next we have the evidence of false or misleading statements to the judge to get the FISA warrant for the wire tap in the first place. The only prosecutions we have are for some financial crimes that predate the campaign and supposedly misleading statements to the FBI some of which have been found to be potentially falsified by the FBI in the first place. Finally, we have the ongoing disclosure of emails and documents that point out that the lead FBI agent was conspiring to set up Trump and protect Hillary, more communications that suggest other officials in office acted in concert to impede or conspire against the campaign.

Before you and others start crying about how long it took to get Nixon, well, back then we didn't have computers and a lot of the records and evidence had to be obtained by court order and that delayed a lot of things. I am unaware of any court order that has been sought to get evidence or documents other than the wiretap and pretty much everyone has been fairly cooperative. In the modern age of computers and such surveillance as in todays society, this is dragging on and has become a circus. The well has been poisoned and regardless of what Mueller supposedly uncovers unless you have some amazingly corroborated hard core evidence of something big, which I think someone would have leaked by now because they want media attention, then this has all been a waste of time and a media circus aided and abetted by a deeply biased media.

[~Rocktar~]

In any case, the "He should have known" story is utter bunk and even if he didn't recuse; what the hell is he supposed to do? Fight Mueller at high noon with six shooters on the steps of the Capital?

Replace Mueller with someone who might actually have been impartial and who would not have a team of completely biased lawyers.

[cwolff]

You are a Liberal crybull and a lot of other things. Some facts you are denying, Muller's team is loaded with Liberal lawyers with a history of voting democrat and in several cases known public sympathies and/or contributions to DNC candidates. Mueller was a fairly close friend of Comey, with whom is supposed to be part of the investigation. Trumps campaign was wire tapped, there was an apparent informant in the campaign feeding info to the FBI and quite possibly Obama and Clinton and even with the wiretap and spy, they still bother to carry on the charade of Trump/Russia collusion. Next we have the evidence of false or misleading statements to the judge to get the FISA warrant for the wire tap in the first place. The only prosecutions we have are for some financial crimes that predate the campaign and supposedly misleading statements to the FBI some of which have been found to be potentially falsified by the FBI in the first place. Finally, we have the ongoing disclosure of emails and documents that point out that the lead FBI agent was conspiring to set up Trump and protect Hillary, more communications that suggest other officials in office acted in concert to impede or conspire against the campaign.

Before you and others start crying about how long it took to get Nixon, well, back then we didn't have computers and a lot of the records and evidence had to be obtained by court order and that delayed a lot of things. I am unaware of any court order that has been sought to get evidence or documents other than the wiretap and pretty much everyone has been fairly cooperative. In the modern age of computers and such surveillance as in todays society, this is dragging on and has become a circus. The well has been poisoned and regardless of what Mueller supposedly uncovers unless you have some amazingly corroborated hard core evidence of something big, which I think someone would have leaked by now because they want media attention, then this has all been a waste of time and a media circus aided and abetted by a deeply biased media.

Oh for fuck's sakes. You and your conspiracy theories. You will say anything. Absolutely anything to defend trump.

[Androidpk]

You are a Liberal crybull and a lot of other things. Some facts you are denying, Muller's team is loaded with Liberal lawyers with a history of voting democrat and in several cases known public sympathies and/or contributions to DNC candidates. Mueller was a fairly close friend of Comey, with whom is supposed to be part of the investigation. Trumps campaign was wire tapped, there was an apparent informant in the campaign feeding info to the FBI and quite possibly Obama and Clinton and even with the wiretap and spy, they still bother to carry on the charade of Trump/Russia collusion. Next we have the evidence of false or misleading statements to the judge to get the FISA warrant for the wire tap in the first place. The only prosecutions we have are for some financial crimes that predate the campaign and supposedly misleading statements to the FBI some of which have been found to be potentially falsified by the FBI in the first place. Finally, we have the ongoing disclosure of emails and documents that point out that the lead FBI agent was conspiring to set up Trump and protect Hillary, more communications that suggest other officials in office acted in concert to impede or conspire against the campaign.

Before you and others start crying about how long it took to get Nixon, well, back then we didn't have computers and a lot of the records and evidence had to be obtained by court order and that delayed a lot of things. I am unaware of any court order that has been sought to get evidence or documents other than the wiretap and pretty much everyone has been fairly cooperative. In the modern age of computers and such surveillance as in todays society, this is dragging on and has become a circus. The well has been poisoned and regardless of what Mueller supposedly uncovers unless you have some amazingly corroborated hard core evidence of something big, which I think someone would have leaked by now because they want media attention, then this has all been a waste of time and a media circus aided and abetted by a deeply biased media.

Did you get all those talking points from Alex Jones? Seriously, get out from the cult while you still can. We believe in you!

[cwolff]

Replace Mueller with someone who might actually have been impartial and who would not have a team of completely biased lawyers.

Didn't trump himself consider hiring Mueller? We're talking about Robert Mueller right? The 2nd longest serving FBI director? Former Marine Vietnam vet? You're besmirching Mueller now aren't you? What are you saying about him anyway? Is Mueller a traitor? Is Mueller treasonous?

[~Rocktar~]

Didn't trump himself consider hiring Mueller? We're talking about Robert Mueller right? The 2nd longest serving FBI director? Former Marine Vietnam vet? You're besmirching Mueller now aren't you? What are you saying about him anyway? Is Mueller a traitor? Is Mueller treasonous?

For fucks sake you fucking moron. I have said it over and over, consistently, the SAME thing. And just because you have a nice past history, doesn't mean you can't have a political bias and your suggestion otherwise is further indication of your advanced case of Trump Derangement Syndrome aka retardation.

Mueller and Comey are buddies. Comey is a scummy piece of shit and always has been. Mueller stacked his team with all DNC supporters and donors. It is not unreasonable to suggest that he might not be as impartial as people say he is and, imagine this, that his actions and investigation have not demonstrated things like reliability, consistency and impartiality.

[Androidpk]

Didn't trump himself consider hiring Mueller? We're talking about Robert Mueller right? The 2nd longest serving FBI director? Former Marine Vietnam vet? You're besmirching Mueller now aren't you? What are you saying about him anyway? Is Mueller a traitor? Is Mueller treasonous?

Of course this is what he's saying. Sad that someone could become so brain washed that they turn on American heroes to protect Russian agents.

[Androidpk]

For fucks sake you fucking moron. I have said it over and over, consistently, the SAME thing. And just because you have a nice past history, doesn't mean you can't have a political bias and your suggestion otherwise is further indication of your advanced case of Trump Derangement Syndrome aka retardation.

Mueller and Comey are buddies. Comey is a scummy piece of shit and always has been. Mueller stacked his team with all DNC supporters and donors. It is not unreasonable to suggest that he might not be as impartial as people say he is and, imagine this, that his actions and investigation have not demonstrated things like reliability, consistency and impartiality.

Holy shit, one former FBI director has ties to another former FBI director. Someone call the press!

[cwolff]

For fucks sake you fucking moron. I have said it over and over, consistently, the SAME thing. And just because you have a nice past history, doesn't mean you can't have a political bias and your suggestion otherwise is further indication of your advanced case of Trump Derangement Syndrome aka retardation.

Mueller and Comey are buddies. Comey is a scummy piece of shit and always has been. Mueller stacked his team with all DNC supporters and donors. It is not unreasonable to suggest that he might not be as impartial as people say he is and, imagine this, that his actions and investigation have not demonstrated things like reliability, consistency and impartiality.

Yes it is unreasonable to suggest that. ABSOLUTELY unreasonable. There is nothing to suggest that Mueller put together a hit team to take out trump and you're totally ignoring that LEO's are biased against criminality. It's in their DNA.

[cwolff]

You all still have to explain this away and I've not seen any right wingers take on Gowdy yet. He's calling bullshit on the "spy" thing and supporting Mueller and his investigation. What's the explanation here? Is Gowdy full of shit? Was he turned to the good side of the Force the way Luke turned Vader? Has he taken leave of his faculties or maybe he's kowtowing to the Justice Dept. in hopes of getting a sweet gig there after he quits congress? Someone please reconcile your defense of trump against Mueller with Gowdy's position.


Rep. Trey Gowdy (R-S.C.), who led a House investigation into Hillary Clinton’s handling of the Benghazi terrorist attacks, offered a robust defense Wednesday of the FBI’s investigation into President Trump’s campaign and Russia.

A week after he received a closed-door briefing on the bureau’s use of an informant, Gowdy told CBS News that he had seen no evidence to support Trump’s claims that a “spy” was improperly inserted into his 2016 campaign.
"That is not a term I've ever used in the criminal justice system," Gowdy said. “I’ve never heard the term ‘spy’ used. Undercover informant, confidential informant, those are all words I'm familiar with. I've never heard the term 'spy' used."

http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/389962-conservative-stalwart-boosts-the-fbi-in-trump-feud

Might as well explain this too:


ANDREW NAPOLITANO: The allegations from Mayor Giuliani over the weekend, which would lead us to believe that the Trump people think the FBI had an undercover agent who finagled his way into Trump's campaign and was there as a spy on the campaign seem to be baseless -- there is no evidence for that whatsoever.

But this other allegation with this professor (whose name we're not supposed to mention), that is standard operating procedure in intelligence gathering and criminal investigations.

Even trump's afraid to take on Gowdy. I suppose the right will ignore him and hope that they're not forced to go to war against one of their own.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/tv/2018/05/30/lead-tapper-trump-white-house-russia-investigation-gowdy-live.cnn

[Parkbandit]

You all still have to explain this away and I've not seen any right wingers take on Gowdy yet. He's calling bullshit on the "spy" thing and supporting Mueller and his investigation. What's the explanation here? Is Gowdy full of shit? Was he turned to the good side of the Force the way Luke turned Vader? Has he taken leave of his faculties or maybe he's kowtowing to the Justice Dept. in hopes of getting a sweet gig there after he quits congress? Someone please reconcile your defense of trump against Mueller with Gowdy's position.



http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/389962-conservative-stalwart-boosts-the-fbi-in-trump-feud

Might as well explain this too:



Even trump's afraid to take on Gowdy. I suppose the right will ignore him and hope that they're not forced to go to war against one of their own.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/tv/2018/05/30/lead-tapper-trump-white-house-russia-investigation-gowdy-live.cnn

When you post, I see this:

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/42/4f/cc/424fccf2d689eb6cb4c3e8282d92512c.gif

[time4fun]

You are a Liberal crybull and a lot of other things. Some facts you are denying, Muller's team is loaded with Liberal lawyers with a history of voting democrat and in several cases known public sympathies and/or contributions to DNC candidates. Mueller was a fairly close friend of Comey, with whom is supposed to be part of the investigation. Trumps campaign was wire tapped, there was an apparent informant in the campaign feeding info to the FBI and quite possibly Obama and Clinton and even with the wiretap and spy, they still bother to carry on the charade of Trump/Russia collusion. Next we have the evidence of false or misleading statements to the judge to get the FISA warrant for the wire tap in the first place. The only prosecutions we have are for some financial crimes that predate the campaign and supposedly misleading statements to the FBI some of which have been found to be potentially falsified by the FBI in the first place. Finally, we have the ongoing disclosure of emails and documents that point out that the lead FBI agent was conspiring to set up Trump and protect Hillary, more communications that suggest other officials in office acted in concert to impede or conspire against the campaign. Something emphasized by Conservative Supreme Court Justices in Citizens United.

Before you and others start crying about how long it took to get Nixon, well, back then we didn't have computers and a lot of the records and evidence had to be obtained by court order and that delayed a lot of things. I am unaware of any court order that has been sought to get evidence or documents other than the wiretap and pretty much everyone has been fairly cooperative. In the modern age of computers and such surveillance as in todays society, this is dragging on and has become a circus. The well has been poisoned and regardless of what Mueller supposedly uncovers unless you have some amazingly corroborated hard core evidence of something big, which I think someone would have leaked by now because they want media attention, then this has all been a waste of time and a media circus aided and abetted by a deeply biased media.

Um. It's illegal to factor in political party membership in Federal hiring. It's also unconstitutional to discriminate against someone for their campaign contributions in Federal hiring.

Do I honestly have to explain to you why these protections are in place?

Are you arguing that Mueller should have violated the Constitution by intentionally making sure there were "enough" people of the same political party as the President they were investigating on his team instead of hiring off of talent and expertise?

That's what you do in bananna republics. That's not what you do in a functional Democracy.

So maybe you should take your own advice and stop crying over the lack of corruption in Mueller's hiring. Maybe ask yourself why the President of the United States is arguing that we disregard our laws that are intended to stave off said corruption.

[Androidpk]

Honestly I think we should just crowdfund a ticket to Moscow for Rocktar, I think he'd really like it over there and fit in well.

[cwolff]

Honestly I think we should just crowdfund a ticket to Moscow for Rocktar, I think he'd really like it over there and fit in well.

He could join Putin's motorcycle club, watch Russian news without cable and do some serious LGBTQ discrimination without taking care to obscure his meaning. It'd be heaven on Earth for the guy.

[~Rocktar~]

Um. It's illegal to factor in political party membership in Federal hiring. It's also unconstitutional to discriminate against someone for their campaign contributions in Federal hiring.

Do I honestly have to explain to you why these protections are in place?

Are you arguing that Mueller should have violated the Constitution by intentionally making sure there were "enough" people of the same political party as the President they were investigating on his team instead of hiring off of talent and expertise?

That's what you do in bananna republics. That's not what you do in a functional Democracy.

So maybe you should take your own advice and stop crying over the lack of corruption in Mueller's hiring. Maybe ask yourself why the President of the United States is arguing that we disregard our laws that are intended to stave off said corruption.

Statistically I could likely prove that there was a consideration of political affiliation based on the content of the investigation team. I would argue that while the affiliations of lawyers is not 50/50 I cannot believe that it is worse than 60/40 and so it does indeed look suspicious and if I were a defense attorney I would certainly hammer the hell out of the apparent bias.

[time4fun]

Statistically I could likely prove that there was a consideration of political affiliation based on the content of the investigation team. I would argue that while the affiliations of lawyers is not 50/50 I cannot believe that it is worse than 60/40 and so it does indeed look suspicious and if I were a defense attorney I would certainly hammer the hell out of the apparent bias.

This isn't about statistics. First off- NO ONE is arguing that these people aren't the top of their fields. They are the best at what they do. That's why they were hired by a Republican appointee of a Republican Trump appointee.

Secondly, what YOU are demanding is that we artificially stack the deck in Trump's favor by violating deeply important legal and political norms. You are literally livid at Mueller for NOT engaging in illegal and immoral corruption.

And don't pretend like this is born out of some concern for fair representation. It certainly doesn't bother you that every Federal investigation (Congressional and otherwise) is currently being led by a Republican. What bothers you is that there are still non-Republicans involved in the investigation. You're not looking for justice- you're looking to give Trump a pass.

Shame on you for rabidly demanding authoritarianism and calling it justice.

[~Rocktar~]

This isn't about statistics. First off- NO ONE is arguing that these people aren't the top of their fields. They are the best at what they do. That's why they were hired by a Republican appointee of a Republican Trump appointee.

Secondly, what YOU are demanding is that we artificially stack the deck in Trump's favor by violating deeply important legal and political norms. You are literally livid at Mueller for NOT engaging in illegal and immoral corruption.

And don't pretend like this is born out of some concern for fair representation. It certainly doesn't bother you that every Federal investigation (Congressional and otherwise) is currently being led by a Republican. What bothers you is that there are still non-Republicans involved in the investigation. You're not looking for justice- you're looking to give Trump a pass.

Shame on you for rabidly demanding authoritarianism and calling it justice.

Whine and cry more please. If it was the other way around you would be throwing fire bombs in protests or some shit and we would not be able to go 30 minutes without you posting about it and you know it.

[time4fun]

Whine and cry more please. If it was the other way around you would be throwing fire bombs in protests or some shit and we would not be able to go 30 minutes without you posting about it and you know it.

Actually you were the one who was whining and crying....because Mueller wouldn't violate the Constitution and Federal law by corruptly stacking his investigation with people from the President's party. And apparently nothing about that struck you and deeply corrupt.

Funny how none of your sources bothered to mention those pesky 1st Amendment and Federal statutory violations. Great sources. You should really stick with them- they're serving you so well.

[Fortybox]

Actually you were the one who was whining and crying....because Mueller wouldn't violate the Constitution and Federal law by corruptly stacking his investigation with people from the President's party. And apparently nothing about that struck you and deeply corrupt.

Funny how none of your sources bothered to mention those pesky 1st Amendment and Federal statutory violations. Great sources. You should really stick with them- they're serving you so well.

https://media2.giphy.com/media/12Z4v34UXpOxR6/giphy.gif

[cwolff]

@realDonaldTrump

RUSH LIMBAUGH “If the FBI was so concerned, and if they weren’t targeting Trump, they should have told Trump. If they were really concerned about the Russians infiltrating a campaign (hoax), then why not try to stop it? Why not tell Trump? Because they were pushing this scam.”

He's quoting Rush now. Things are bad when POTUS quotes Rush but he'll quote anyone who will say he's a victim. Our poor little victim president. He's about the most fragile whiny bitch to ever hold that office.

[Parkbandit]

He's quoting Rush now. Things are bad when POTUS quotes Rush but he'll quote anyone who will say he's a victim. Our poor little victim president. He's about the most fragile whiny bitch to ever hold that office.

And you're the most fragile whiny bitch to post on these forums.

Congrats?

[Wrathbringer]

And you're the most fragile whiny bitch to post on these forums.

Congrats?

This is correct.

[Neveragain]

He's quoting Rush now. Things are bad when POTUS quotes Rush but he'll quote anyone who will say he's a victim. Our poor little victim president. He's about the most fragile whiny bitch to ever hold that office.

Do you wake up every morning and create some new nightmare scenario about the president just so you can convince everyone how much of a bitch you are when you don't get your way?

Seriously this has gone beyond temper tantrum.

https://media1.giphy.com/media/Wvo6vaUsQa3Di/200.gif

[cwolff]

Do you wake up every morning and create some new nightmare scenario about the president just so you can convince everyone how much of a bitch you are when you don't get your way?

Seriously this has gone beyond temper tantrum.

https://media1.giphy.com/media/Wvo6vaUsQa3Di/200.gif

You try so hard but say nothing. It's like a little brother who just wants to be part of the group of older boys

[Neveragain]

You try so hard but say nothing. It's like a little brother who just wants to be part of the group of older boys

Is that like the "you didn't ask a question" response you give when someone asks you a question?

How sad is it that all the major networks are on a death wish mission to get the president but you still want to cry over talk radio. I could only imagine the outrage over conservative telegraph.

[~Rocktar~]

Actually you were the one who was whining and crying....because Mueller wouldn't violate the Constitution and Federal law by corruptly stacking his investigation with people from the President's party. And apparently nothing about that struck you and deeply corrupt.

Funny how none of your sources bothered to mention those pesky 1st Amendment and Federal statutory violations. Great sources. You should really stick with them- they're serving you so well.

So, where exactly was the job posting? How many lawyers and others applied? How many were interviewed? What is the racial breakdown of the successful applicants? Seriously fucknugget, there was not an application process so there was no reason to ask anyone anything other than "Do you want to come do this job?" The fact remains, the investigative team was hand picked and the members show a substantial and distinct political bias. Your refusal to acknowledge this is further proof of your disconnection from the reality that everyone else lives in and your complete and total radical Leftist bias.

[time4fun]

So, where exactly was the job posting? How many lawyers and others applied? How many were interviewed? What is the racial breakdown of the successful applicants? Seriously fucknugget, there was not an application process so there was no reason to ask anyone anything other than "Do you want to come do this job?" The fact remains, the investigative team was hand picked and the members show a substantial and distinct political bias. Your refusal to acknowledge this is further proof of your disconnection from the reality that everyone else lives in and your complete and total radical Leftist bias.

DEFLECT! SUBJECT CHANGE! LOOK- A BABY FLYING A PLANE!

Let me repeat: It is a violation of Federal law AND the 1st Amendment to factor political ideology into Federal hiring. No matter what.

These people were hired because they are the best in their fields. Go look them up. Literally no one is arguing that they aren't the best. Your attempts to invent an imaginary hiring scenario based on no information and- candidly- running fundamentally counter to all logic do not change the situation. This is an insane conspiracy theory you're trying to hatch- that Trump's Republican appointee's own Republican appointee is...seeking out Democrats specifically for their team?

What you are arguing for is illegal and corrupt. You want to artificially stack the deck to maximize the number of people in the President's party on the investigation team. You are implicitly arguing that it's okay for our Government to exclude people from hiring based on their political ideology- which is horrific. That's what authoritarians do, and it's how they take control over the levers of government.

These laws were meant to protect this country from people like you.

[Parkbandit]

DEFLECT! SUBJECT CHANGE! LOOK- A BABY FLYING A PLANE!

Let me repeat: It is a violation of Federal law AND the 1st Amendment to factor political ideology into Federal hiring. No matter what.

These people were hired because they are the best in their fields. Go look them up. Literally no one is arguing that they aren't the best. Your attempts to invent an imaginary hiring scenario based on no information and- candidly- running fundamentally counter to all logic do not change the situation. This is an insane conspiracy theory you're trying to hatch- that Trump's Republican appointee's own Republican appointee is...seeking out Democrats specifically for their team?

What you are arguing for is illegal and corrupt. You want to artificially stack the deck to maximize the number of people in the President's party on the investigation team. You are implicitly arguing that it's okay for our Government to exclude people from hiring based on their political ideology- which is horrific. That's what authoritarians do, and it's how they take control over the levers of government.

These laws were meant to protect this country from people like you.

Mueller is not the best. Sorry to burst your bubble.

Neither is Comey. Neither is McCabe.

Literally, you would have to be the dumbest person alive to believe that.

Oh hey, it's time4dum.

[time4fun]

Mueller is not the best. Sorry to burst your bubble.

Neither is Comey. Neither is McCabe.

Literally, you would have to be the dumbest person alive to believe that.

Oh hey, it's time4dum.

Coming from the guy who clearly doesn't understand who is on Mueller's team. Spoiler alert- Comey and McCabe aren't on that list.

And, by the way, Mueller IS the best. He was heralded by both sides when he started- he only started being demonized by the right when people realized that there's actually a really good chance Trump is going to be in trouble.

And you're just the pathetic little sheep who is buying into it all. Someone who is being investigated tells everyone that the investigation and the investigators are all corrupt frauds, and they're just a victim in all of this. And you can't think of any reason why you might want to be skeptical of those claims? Even after he's been caught lying repeatedly about the investigation?

THAT is what stupid looks like.

[Parkbandit]

Coming from the guy who clearly doesn't understand who is on Mueller's team. Spoiler alert- Comey and McCabe aren't on that list.

And, by the way, Mueller IS the best. He was heralded by both sides when he started- he only started being demonized by the right when people realized that there's actually a really good chance Trump is going to be in trouble.

And you're just the pathetic little sheep who is buying into it all. Someone who is being investigated tells everyone that the investigation and the investigators are all corrupt frauds, and they're just a victim in all of this. And you can't think of any reason why you might want to be skeptical of those claims? Even after he's been caught lying repeatedly about the investigation?

THAT is what stupid looks like.

Mueller is the best? Really?

Just look up the Atlanta Olympic bombing.. he's not anywhere near the best.

Keep living in your delusional bubble.

[Gelston]

Has this heated up yet?

[tyrant-201]

Has this heated up yet?

Considering the investigation hasn't ended, I wouldn't say it's cooled down quite yet.

[time4fun]

Mueller is the best? Really?

Just look up the Atlanta Olympic bombing.. he's not anywhere near the best.

Keep living in your delusional bubble.

Okay Mr Chalk-Full-Of-Facts. What did Mueller do during the investigation?

[Gelston]

Considering the investigation hasn't ended, I wouldn't say it's cooled down quite yet.

But has it heated up?

[Androidpk]

But has it heated up?

It's gone from a standard counter intelligence investigation into a full blown special counsel investigation with 20 indictments so far, guilty pleas, and jail time. So yeah, it's heated up.

[Androidpk]

Mueller is not the best. Sorry to burst your bubble.

Neither is Comey. Neither is McCabe.

Literally, you would have to be the dumbest person alive to believe that.

Oh hey, it's time4dum.

Mueller is widely praised as an outstanding law enforcement investigator.

[Parkbandit]

Okay Mr Chalk-Full-Of-Facts.

You really believe it's chalk.. don't you. In your head, did that even make any sense?


What did Mueller do during the investigation?

Words... HOW DO THEY WERK!?!?


Just look up the Atlanta Olympic bombing

[Methais]

Considering the investigation hasn't ended, I wouldn't say it's cooled down quite yet.

OH YEAH WELL HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THIS THEN???

http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?115013-Russia-Investigation-Cooling-Down

[Parkbandit]

Sorry, I mixed up botched investigations. I don't know if Mueller had a role in the investigation of the Atlantic Olympics bombing and I'm too lazy to look it up.

The botched investigation tied directly to Mueller was the Anthrax letters after 9-11.

[RichardCranium]

Opinion piece on the investigation timeline by John Solomon via thehill.com: http://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/390228-london-bridges-falling-down-curious-origins-of-fbis-trump-russia-probe


The bridge to the Russia investigation wasn’t erected in Moscow during the summer of the 2016 election.

It originated earlier, 1,700 miles away in London, where foreign figures contacted Trump campaign advisers and provided the FBI with hearsay allegations of Trump-Russia collusion, bureau documents and interviews of government insiders reveal. These contacts in spring 2016 — some from trusted intelligence sources, others from Hillary Clinton (http://thehill.com/people/hillary-clinton) supporters — occurred well before FBI headquarters authorized an official counterintelligence investigation (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/16/us/politics/crossfire-hurricane-trump-russia-fbi-mueller-investigation.html) on July 31, 2016.

The new timeline makes one wonder: Did the FBI follow its rules governing informants?

[cwolff]

Rep. Trey Gowdy has been a pitbull investigator for Republicans for years. Now, he’s is in President Donald Trump’s doghouse for daring to challenge the president’s unsupported claim that Democrats and their sympathizers in the FBI embedded a spy in his 2016 campaign.

Trump allies have been pummeling Gowdy in recent days, branding him a gullible or clueless backer of the intelligence community. Trump’s personal attorney, Rudy Giuliani, labeled him “uninformed.” Another Trump-tied attorney, Victoria Toensing, said Gowdy “doesn’t know diddly-squat” about the particulars of federal investigations. And Fox News host Lou Dobbs tagged him a “RINO” — a term for a fake Republican.


Poor Trey. They're coming for him now.

[Androidpk]

Does Toensing not remember that Gowdy was a former federal prosecutor? Either way she's conflicted as she represents Clovis IIRC and also Erik Prince.

[Fortybox]

omgogmgogmgomggomgg its really gunna happen now!!!11111one1infinity!!!

https://media0.giphy.com/media/MteeoXtnVihAA/giphy.gif

[Methais]

Does Toensing not remember that Gowdy was a former federal prosecutor? Either way she's conflicted as she represents Clovis IIRC and also Erik Prince.

I'm not sure. Let me give them a call and ask. Brb.

[cwolff]

Nice little snippet on the collusion. The answers to the questions this raises are going to be uncomfortable for our trumpboys.

Jay Sekulow, 7/16/17: “The President was not involved in the drafting of the statement”

Sarah Sanders, 8/1/17: “He weighed in, offered suggestions like any father would do.”

Trump lawyers to NYT today: Trump dictated the statement, which they call “short but accurate”

[Androidpk]

The answers to the questions this raises are going to be uncomfortable for our trumpboys.

Nah, they're still not going to give a fuck as that falls under the "He never said/did XYZ but even if he did it doesn't matter."

[Parkbandit]

So... still no evidence of collusion?

Well, this will cheer you kids up: PUTIN AND TRUMP ARE PLANNING A SUMMIT TOGETHER!!!!!!!!!!!

This is the clearest evidence so far of collusion.

Congrats. You did it!!

[SHAFT]

So... still no evidence of collusion?

Well, this will cheer you kids up: PUTIN AND TRUMP ARE PLANNING A SUMMIT TOGETHER!!!!!!!!!!!

This is the clearest evidence so far of collusion.

Congrats. You did it!!

I’m more interested in the conspiracy and money laundering charges that will be coming.

[Androidpk]

I’m more interested in the conspiracy and money laundering charges that will be coming.

followed by:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhD3I_AZJMY

[Wrathbringer]

I’m more interested in the conspiracy and money laundering charges that will be coming.

OMGOMGOMGOMG THIS IS IT NOW GUYS!!!!!!!111 TRUMP IS GOING DOWN FOR REAL THIS TIME!!!!11!!

[Androidpk]

OMGOMGOMGOMG THIS IS IT NOW GUYS!!!!!!!111 TRUMP IS GOING DOWN FOR REAL THIS TIME!!!!11!!

shut up, necro

[Parkbandit]

I’m more interested in the conspiracy and money laundering charges that will be coming.

So.. no collusion?

Weird...

[cwolff]

9041

This is going to have to come under some scrutiny. Was Sekulow really this far out of the loop or did he lie for his client? I'd assume it'll go badly for Jay simply because everything trump touches turns to crap.

[Androidpk]

Sekulow was likely just left in the dark, along with the rest of the lawyers.

[Androidpk]

So.. no collusion?

Weird...

There could be written confessions from Trump and anyone else involved and you still wouldn't believe or care.

[Parkbandit]

There could be written confessions from Trump and anyone else involved and you still wouldn't believe or care.

But there isn't.

You turned into a Clinton puppet. The only explanation she lost is "ZOMG RUSSIAN COLLUSION!"

You're being played like the fool you are. Please, continue to put all your eggs in the collusion basket.

It's been hilarious reading your posts from 2016 to now.

Whatever's trendy is your political party...

Fucking hipster doofus.

[Androidpk]

Keep telling yourself that. When Mueller's investigation wraps up I'd say you're going to look like a moron but you already have that look on lockdown.

[Fortybox]

9041

This is going to have to come under some scrutiny. Was Sekulow really this far out of the loop or did he lie for his client? I'd assume it'll go badly for Jay simply because everything trump touches turns to crap.

https://media0.giphy.com/media/w0vFxYaCcvvJm/giphy.gif

[Parkbandit]

Keep telling yourself that. When Mueller's investigation wraps up I'd say you're going to look like a moron but you already have that look on lockdown.

Given your history of political prognostication... I'm sure you could be right THIS time. You are so due.....

I'd offer a make a bet with you, but it's unlikely you could afford to make one and most certainly wouldn't pay up when you lost.

Needless to say: President Trump will still be President and no amount of hoping and praying that Mueller finds something will change that. Sorry.

[Androidpk]

Given your history of political prognostication...


Like when I predicted that Roy Moore was going to lose and a Democrat was going to win the congressional seat in deep red Alabama, and it came true?

Like when I predicted at the Democratic National Convention that Trump was going to beat Clinton in the General Election, and it came true?

GG, try again moron.

[Parkbandit]

Like when I predicted that Roy Moore was going to lose and a Democrat was going to win the congressional seat in deep red Alabama, and it came true?

THIS is an example of your political prowess? Roy Moore was accused of molesting under age girls.. and your prediction would be he would lose the election?

YOU ARE AMAZING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!


Like when I predicted at the Democratic National Convention that Trump was going to beat Clinton in the General Election, and it came true?


GG, try again moron.

That was back in your "ZOMG I HATE CLINTON AND WILL SAY JUST ABOUT ANYTHING BECAUSE I HATE HER SO MUCH!!!!!!!!!!" days. I'm just taking your word for this, since you didn't actually make a prediction in the election thread (like I did).

Remember how you said she was going to get indicted? For weeks and months on end... that indictment is coming any day now. It's heating up!!

GG, try again moron.

[Androidpk]

THIS is an example of your political prowess? Roy Moore was accused of molesting under age girls.. and your prediction would be he would lose the election?

YOU ARE AMAZING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!

Prowess? No, just accurate observation




That was back in your "ZOMG I HATE CLINTON AND WILL SAY JUST ABOUT ANYTHING BECAUSE I HATE HER SO MUCH!!!!!!!!!!" days. I'm just taking your word for this, since you didn't actually make a prediction in the election thread (like I did).

I dislike her a lot, I don't hate her, and I didn't make that claim simply because I don't like her. I made it because of available data and polls. But go on, keep trying to shift the goalposts you fucking idiot.

If you're so sure nothing is going to happen to Trump then lets make a bet. If he gets reelected in 2020 I'll have Kranar delete my account here. If you doesn't get reelected then you have to have yours deleted. Man up or shut up.

[Parkbandit]

Prowess? No, just accurate observation

Hey.. I bet the sun will appear to rise tomorrow.

OMG I'm as talented at making an accurate observation as you are!


I dislike her a lot, I don't hate her, and I didn't make that claim simply because I don't like her. I made it because of available data and polls. But go on, keep trying to shift the goalposts you fucking idiot.

Clearly you don't understand the phrase "shift the goalpost" you fucking idiot. You said she would be indicted. I said she wouldn't. She wasn't. You were wrong. There was no goalpost to move at all.


If you're so sure nothing is going to happen to Trump then lets make a bet. If he gets reelected in 2020 I'll have Kranar delete my account here. If you doesn't get reelected then you have to have yours deleted. Man up or shut up.

Wait.. if he doesn't get elected in 2020.. that means he's guilty of collusion? Are you fucking serious right now?

Also, I specifically stated this:


I'd offer a make a bet with you, but it's unlikely you could afford to make one and most certainly wouldn't pay up when you lost.

You have about as much credibility as Macgayver to hold up your end of the bet. Sorry, no one trusts you and for good reason.

[Androidpk]

So Parkbandit tries to act tough behind the computer but it turns out he's a gutless cunt. Shocker. Let me know if you ever decide to man up and act on the bet, until then continue to act like the spineless little bitch we all know you really are.

[Wrathbringer]

So Parkbandit tries to act tough behind the computer but it turns out he's a gutless cunt. Shocker. Let me know if you ever decide to man up and act on the bet, until then continue to act like the spineless little bitch we all know you really are.

You're retarded.

[time4fun]

It is astounding to me that- even after reading a letter where the sitting President of the United States has declared himself immune from the law- people are still supporting him.

Let me say that one more time: in that letter, he declared himself immune from the law.

That doesn't describe a democratically elected President. It describes a dictator.

[Androidpk]

It is astounding to me that- even after reading a letter where the sitting President of the United States has declared himself immune from the law- people are still supporting him.

Let me say that one more time: in that letter, he declared himself immune from the law.

That doesn't describe a democratically elected President. It describes a dictator.

MAGA 2a'ers: "We need the 2a to defend against tyrannical government!"

Also MAGA 2a'ers: "Emperor Trump is above the law!"

[Wrathbringer]

It is astounding to me that- even after reading a letter where the sitting President of the United States has declared himself immune from the law- people are still supporting him.

Let me say that one more time: in that letter, he declared himself immune from the law.

That doesn't describe a democratically elected President. It describes a dictator.

9043

[Wrathbringer]

MAGA 2a'ers: "We need the 2a to defend against tyrannical government!"

Also MAGA 2a'ers: "Emperor Trump is above the law!"

You're retarded.

[Androidpk]

I'm a retarded troll


https://i.imgur.com/EO1YQpf.jpg

[Parkbandit]

So Parkbandit tries to act tough behind the computer but it turns out he's a gutless cunt. Shocker. Let me know if you ever decide to man up and act on the bet, until then continue to act like the spineless little bitch we all know you really are.

I addressed this already, prior to your "ZOMG IF TRUMP IS NOT RE-ELECTED HE R GUILTY!" bullshit. Has nothing to do with me.. and everything to do with you. You have no honor.. no moral compass. If you are willing to break up a marriage, cry because she broke up with you and steal from her to get even... why would anyone believe you would hold up your end of any wager?

Your word means very little here.. much like it does in the real world.

Sorry. You're trying to make a withdrawal.. and as usual, it comes up "insufficient funds".

[Parkbandit]

It is astounding to me that- even after reading a letter where the sitting President of the United States has declared himself immune from the law- people are still supporting him.

Let me say that one more time: in that letter, he declared himself immune from the law.

That doesn't describe a democratically elected President. It describes a dictator.

Care to specifically quote the part where President Trump declared himself immune from the law? Is this one law.. or all laws?

[Androidpk]

I'll talk shit all day long but I don't have the stones to back up anything I say cause I'm a dickless little bitch.

QFT

[Parkbandit]

I'm upset because my bank account is as bankrupt as my character. IT'S NOT FAIR!!!!!

QFT

[Gelston]

You two need to fuck and get it over with already. So pk can empty your defunct GS account.

[Androidpk]

You two need to fuck and get it over with already. So pk can empty your defunct GS account.

Normally I'd give a hard pass on fucking another guy but now that I know parkbandit is a giant pussy I'm okay with it

[Taernath]

Normally I'd give a hard pass on fucking another guy but now that I know parkbandit is a giant pussy I'm okay with it

.

[time4fun]

Care to specifically quote the part where President Trump declared himself immune from the law? Is this one law.. or all laws?

This part:


Indeed, the President not only has unfettered statutory and Constitutional authority to terminate the FBI Director, he also has Constitutional authority to direct the Justice Department to open or close an investigation, and, of course, the power to pardon any person before, during, or after an investigation and/or conviction. Put simply, the Constitution leaves no question that the President has exclusive authority over the ultimate conduct and disposition of all criminal investigations and over those executive branch officials responsible for conducting those investigations

They further argue that it is impossible for him to obstruct justice, and they're now running around saying he can Pardon himself.

What they are arguing here is that 1) The President can't be investigated in the criminal justice system unless they want to be, 2) can open investigations into anyone they want for any reason (political adversaries, people who have crossed them in business deals, etc), 3) that they can close any investigation into themselves or their friends/family that they want for any reason, that they can Pardon themselves, their friends, and their family out of any legal trouble whatsoever, etc.

The President has authority over these issues, but the argument that they can abuse their powers for corrupt purpose with no repercussions is an extreme one. This isn't how a functional justice system looks. It's not how a functional democracy looks.

Trump has his supporters so focused on him that they've forgotten about to think about their own country.

[Parkbandit]

Normally I'd give a hard pass on fucking another guy but now that I know parkbandit is a giant pussy I'm okay with it

A guy with no moral compass and multiple personalities is an AC/DC?

Shocking. Really...

I'm sure you would do anything for a couple dollars and a couch to crash on.

[Androidpk]

On no, the wife beater says I have multiple personalities :/

[Parkbandit]

This part:



They further argue that it is impossible for him to obstruct justice, and they're now running around saying he can Pardon himself.

What they are arguing here is that 1) The President can't be investigated in the criminal justice system unless they want to be, 2) can open investigations into anyone they want for any reason (political adversaries, people who have crossed them in business deals, etc), 3) that they can close any investigation into themselves or their friends/family that they want for any reason, that they can Pardon themselves, their friends, and their family out of any legal trouble whatsoever, etc.

The President has authority over these issues, but the argument that they can abuse their powers for corrupt purpose with no repercussions is an extreme one. This isn't how a functional justice system looks. It's not how a functional democracy looks.

Trump has his supporters so focused on him that they've forgotten about to think about their own country.

Doesn't sound like President Trump wrote that. There's not even a "big league" or a "fantastic" in there. You sure he wrote it?

Also, you might be reading a little more into it than what is being stated. A President has always had broad powers to Pardon anyone. Nothing has changed.

In this case, a President you dislike and are scared of has decided to use the power that has always been given to Presidents.

I am far happier that someone like Jack Johnson, Dinesh D'Souza, Scooter Libby and maybe Martha Stewart received a Pardon.. than I was that Chelsea Manning and Oscar Lopez Rivera receiving clemency.

[Parkbandit]

On no, the wife beater says I have multiple personalities :/

Wait.. I thought I was divorced? Now I'm a wife beater? Was that to my ex wife or my current wife.. or maybe my gf who works at McDonalds?

You are so bad at everything.. even lying. What's that like to be a failure at every single thing you've ever done?

[Wrathbringer]

This part:



They further argue that it is impossible for him to obstruct justice, and they're now running around saying he can Pardon himself.

What they are arguing here is that 1) The President can't be investigated in the criminal justice system unless they want to be, 2) can open investigations into anyone they want for any reason (political adversaries, people who have crossed them in business deals, etc), 3) that they can close any investigation into themselves or their friends/family that they want for any reason, that they can Pardon themselves, their friends, and their family out of any legal trouble whatsoever, etc.

The President has authority over these issues, but the argument that they can abuse their powers for corrupt purpose with no repercussions is an extreme one. This isn't how a functional justice system looks. It's not how a functional democracy looks.

Trump has his supporters so focused on him that they've forgotten about to think about their own country.

You're retarded.

[Androidpk]

Wait.. I thought I was divorced? Now I'm a wife beater? Was that to my ex wife or my current wife.. or maybe my gf who works at McDonalds?

You are so bad at everything.. even lying. What's that like to be a failure at every single thing you've ever done?

It's why your ex wife left you, remember. She even had to get a restraining order I hear. Not that it comes as a surprise to anyone, considering all your angst.

[Wrathbringer]

It's why your ex wife left you, remember. She even had to get a restraining order I hear. Not that it comes as a surprise to anyone, considering all your angst.

You're retarded.

[Androidpk]

You're retarded.

Not as retarded as this precious little guy

https://i.imgur.com/ZME7Kjk.jpg

[Parkbandit]

It's why your ex wife left you, remember. She even had to get a restraining order I hear. Not that it comes as a surprise to anyone, considering all your angst.

Low energy.

Sad.

Sorry, we just celebrated our 26th anniversary last month and I've never hit a woman in my life.

Sorry. You are about as good at this as you are at your political predictions.

[Parkbandit]

Not as retarded as this precious little guy

https://i.imgur.com/ZME7Kjk.jpg

He's cute! Is he your love child?

[Gelston]

He's cute! Is he your love child?

Is that supposed to be you?

[Parkbandit]

Is that supposed to be you?

Your guess is as good as mine. Maybe?

I have blue eyes though, never sported a goatee in my life.

Looks sorta like me though

[Taernath]

pk's apparently been masturbating to the wrong guy.

Also, what are your sources that are leading you to believe PB's a wife beating flowerchild?

[Parkbandit]

pk's apparently been masturbating to the wrong guy.

Also, what are your sources that are leading you to believe PB's a wife beating flowerchild?

WHOA WHOA WHOA WHOA!!!

He never claimed I was a flowerchild! TAKE THAT BACK YOU FUCKER!

[Taernath]

WHOA WHOA WHOA WHOA!!!

He never claimed I was a flowerchild! TAKE THAT BACK YOU FUCKER!

https://www.meme-arsenal.com/memes/9e9e1ed16a743477e64a19d41917ca1d.jpg

Did you or did you not attend a love-in in San Francisco, with flowers in your hair?

[Parkbandit]

https://www.meme-arsenal.com/memes/9e9e1ed16a743477e64a19d41917ca1d.jpg

Did you or did you not attend a love-in in San Francisco, with flowers in your hair?

We had our honeymoon in San Francisco and there was plenty of love-ins that week... but I don't think I had flowers in my hair then.

https://media1.tenor.com/images/380c88d24985319ec94a720f2de3fed5/tenor.gif?itemid=4860406

[Parkbandit]

A little over 40 years ago, Richard Nixon went from a landslide re-election winner to a president forced to resign in disgrace. Nixon’s downfall was the direct result of his unsuccessful attempts to politicize through patronage of an independent, straight-arrow FBI. The commonsense, ethical lesson from this for all government officials would be to avoid attempts to use our nation’s independent fact-finder as a partisan force.

There is as well, of course, a more perverse lesson to be learned from Nixon’s downfall at the hands of an independent FBI, to wit: there is much power to gain by politicizing the Bureau, but only if its upper-leadership team is all on partisan board. Emerging evidence increasingly suggests, sadly, that this was former FBI Director James Comey’s leadership strategy in our country’s most sensitive investigations.

In the years running up to the 1972 election, Deputy Associate FBI Director Mark Felt, serving under feisty bulldog J. Edgar Hoover, staunchly refused the entreaties of Nixon lieutenants to act politically, e.g., to whitewash an ITT/Republican bribery scheme and to lock up innocent war protestors. Felt, the natural successor to Hoover, fell out of White House favor as a result.

Following the death of Hoover in May 1972, Nixon appointed in place of Felt the decent but politically malleable L. Patrick Gray. When six weeks later five burglars were arrested in the Washington, D.C. headquarters of the Democratic National Committee, Nixon’s Justice Department tried to limit, through Gray, the scope of the FBI’s investigation. Unfortunately for Nixon, regular Bureau agents, led quietly but spectacularly by Felt, fought these attempts, with a far worse result for Nixon than if the Bureau had been left alone to do its job.

In the years running up to the 2016 presidential election, Comey made sure not to make the same “mistakes” of Felt that plagued Nixon. The IRS conservative harassment scandal was swept under the rug. The Clinton Foundation, seemingly overtly corrupt, was given a pass even after the Uranium One sale by a large Clinton Foundation donor was approved by the Clinton State Department. Comey even went so far as to take the unusual step of exonerating Hillary Clinton for her grossly negligent handling of classified materials, not a decision that was his to make. More shockingly, he permitted the destruction of 30,000 Clinton emails and relevant hard drives. It strains credulity to contend that Comey would have done the same for President Donald Trump if the occasion arose.

Comey’s exoneration of Clinton clearly transgressed clear DOJ standards, although Comey makes a tenuous argument that this was made necessary by the clear bias of Attorney General Loretta Lynch. In so doing, though, he admits that the proper course would have been to recommend a Special Counsel. But, stunningly, he also admits in his recent book that he did not do so because the public might think she was guilty, a political calculation if there ever was one.

Recent revelations show, chillingly, that he involved the FBI in what appears to have been a plot to entrap, and even frame, a political opponent and his campaign regarding Russian collusion. This radical politicization of the Bureau makes any Nixonian scheme seem like child’s play. Nixon shamefully tricked the FBI into doing a routine background check on his enemy, journalist Daniel Schorr. Comey outdid Nixon by a wide margin, using his FBI to construct a false case of possible treason against a political enemy.

During the Watergate investigation, Felt sought not to frame anyone but merely to be allowed to fully pursue the bureau’s investigation, so that no one could accuse the FBI of conducting a “whitewash.” Felt and his bureau were resisting politicization, not pursuing it, even though helping the party in power, Nixon’s, would have brought accolades and perks to his leadership team.

When, in 1972, Director Gray told Felt to “wrap up” the Watergate investigation in 72 hours, a Time magazine reporter, likely at Felt’s suggestion, called Gray inquiring about the order. Gray blew a fuse, but rescinded the order. Then when Gray and his DOJ superiors limited the Watergate prosecution to the seven originally-apprehended defendants, Felt pushed reporter Bob Woodward to explore what Felt knew to be a wider campaign of spying and sabotage. When Woodward failed to understand that to which Felt had pointed him, Felt helped the reporter understand the scheme in an all-night garage session. But raw FBI information was not leaked. Felt was not giving facts to Woodward, but teaching him how to gather facts and construct from them an overall narrative theme. The result was a series of brilliant reports which transfixed the nation.

Felt only wanted the FBI to be free to do its job, and could not have predicted the extreme extent of the fallout from the resulting explosion. Many years later, this man of honor said he was “not out to get Nixon,” but, rather, “was only doing my job.” So to compare Felt to today’s weaving spiders in Comey’s FBI hierarchy does gross disservice to Felt and all who served with him, as well as the many honorable agents following.

Felt lost his career — and his wife to suicide — in the tumultuous post-Watergate catharsis. Through it all, however, he retained his honor. And until the recent FBI regime of Comey, McCabe, Strzok, Page and others, there has been scant evidence of partisanship or dishonor in the FBI, as the scandal-free, effective leadership of Robert Mueller seems to corroborate. But now there has emerged simply too many highly questionable, partisan aspects of Comey’s “Russian Collusion” investigation to conclude similarly about his leadership team.

Comey knew that the Steele dossier was opposition research trash, but premised an investigation on it. After originally failing, without the false dossier, to obtain a FISA warrant to surveil the Trump campaign, he used the Dossier to obtain FBI warrants to eavesdrop on an opponent he had admittedly loathed. Rather than separating his bureau from Steele, Comey agreed to hire him, pulling out of the deal only because Steele became vulnerable as a proven leaker and liar. Comey’s entire leadership team, including number-two man Andrew McCabe, counterintelligence chief Strzok and legal counsel Lisa Page, all seemed to have been involved in framing Trump, working with partisan CIA Director John Brennan. When Strzok was being candid with his lover Page, he later resisted joining the Special Counsel’s Russian probe because he knew “there was no there there.” Did Comey inform Rosenstein of the vacuity of the charges on which the appointment of Mueller was based? We doubt it.

Baseless claims did not stop Comey. He tried to use the salacious allegations as leverage against Trump in his January 6, 2017 meeting with the president-elect, concealing their partisan provenance and lack of credibility. Part of the meeting’s purpose was to give DNI James Clapper a news “hook” to leak the dossier’s claims to CNN, which dutifully trashed Trump, and provided Buzzfeed an excuse to smear Trump by publishing the whole megillah. Comey then began making book on his new boss, writing four memos to use as ammunition against him in the future. But all of this, it now turns out, is not the entirety of the iceberg, as it seemed just days ago.

It is now coming to light that the FBI was setting up Trump ever since he became a likely presidential nominee. In late 2015, Brennan embraced a false tip from Estonia that Putin was seeking to support Trump financially, and brought Comey into an ‘intra-agency” group targeting Trump. On March 21, 2016, candidate Trump met with The Washington Post editorial board, which asked about his foreign policy credentials. To bolster his team’s strength, perhaps inflationarily, he named lowly, clueless hangers-on George Papadopoulos and Carter Page as part of his team with Russian experience — literally true, but nonetheless a strenuous stretch. It was then that the entrapping forces of Comey, Clapper, and Brennan, partisans all, went to work.

Approaches were made by “confidential human source” intermediaries to Papadopoulos, Page, Trump aides Sam Clovis and Michael Caputo, and likely others, to induce interest in Russian-hacked emails. The DOJ Number Four, Bruce Ohr, whose wife Nellie Ohr was behind the Steele Dossier, himself met with Christopher Steele.

A member of Comey’s team travelled to England around May 2016, well before the now-asserted start of the collusion investigation, presumably to speak with either or both Steele and confidential informants. It is impossible to believe that Comey was not behind all this and, indeed, he now defends “confidential human sources” as being both necessary and in grave danger, as if being run behind the former Iron Curtain and marked for execution.

One question to be asked is why Comey felt the need to question Papadopoulos with an undisclosed spy, using entrapping questions, when an identified FBI agent could have done the same job, at least the parts that constituted legitimate inquiry about Russian activity. The answer is, of course, that an identified FBI agent would serve, appropriately so, as a warning, not as a trap. Indeed, Comey and the team twice decided not to provide the usual “defensive briefing” given to innocent compromat targets. Apparently these partisans were more interested in entrapment than in patriotic assistance.

If there was any doubt about the political motivation of Comey, it was removed by his rhetoric following his ouster, clothed in talk of FBI independence and ethics, but revealing raging partisan animus toward Trump. Every American has a right to political beliefs, but it hardly behooves the dignity of a former FBI Director to speak as such a nakedly partisan actor.

Thousands of loyal, straight, politically-independent FBI personnel understand the damage Comey has done to the Bureau to which they devoted their lives in service to their country. We should all sincerely hope and pray that new FBI Director Christopher Wray will right the ship, restoring its honor and, above all, its cherished, apolitical independence.

John D. O’Connor is the San Francisco attorney who represented W. Mark Felt during his revelation as Deep Throat in 2005. O’Connor is the co-author of “A G-Man’s Life: The FBI, Being ‘Deep Throat,’ and the Struggle for Honor in Washington” and is a producer of “Mark Felt: The Man Who Brought Down the White House” (2017), written and directed by Peter Landesman.

http://dailycaller.com/2018/06/03/how-comey-succeeded-where-nixon-failed/

This will probably turn into a crazy wall of text, but it's a good read.

[~Rocktar~]

A little over 40 years ago, Richard Nixon went from a landslide re-election winner to a president forced to resign in disgrace. Nixon’s downfall was the direct result of his unsuccessful attempts to politicize through patronage of an independent, straight-arrow FBI. The commonsense, ethical lesson from this for all government officials would be to avoid attempts to use our nation’s independent fact-finder as a partisan force.

There is as well, of course, a more perverse lesson to be learned from Nixon’s downfall at the hands of an independent FBI, to wit: there is much power to gain by politicizing the Bureau, but only if its upper-leadership team is all on partisan board. Emerging evidence increasingly suggests, sadly, that this was former FBI Director James Comey’s leadership strategy in our country’s most sensitive investigations.

In the years running up to the 1972 election, Deputy Associate FBI Director Mark Felt, serving under feisty bulldog J. Edgar Hoover, staunchly refused the entreaties of Nixon lieutenants to act politically, e.g., to whitewash an ITT/Republican bribery scheme and to lock up innocent war protestors. Felt, the natural successor to Hoover, fell out of White House favor as a result.

Following the death of Hoover in May 1972, Nixon appointed in place of Felt the decent but politically malleable L. Patrick Gray. When six weeks later five burglars were arrested in the Washington, D.C. headquarters of the Democratic National Committee, Nixon’s Justice Department tried to limit, through Gray, the scope of the FBI’s investigation. Unfortunately for Nixon, regular Bureau agents, led quietly but spectacularly by Felt, fought these attempts, with a far worse result for Nixon than if the Bureau had been left alone to do its job.

In the years running up to the 2016 presidential election, Comey made sure not to make the same “mistakes” of Felt that plagued Nixon. The IRS conservative harassment scandal was swept under the rug. The Clinton Foundation, seemingly overtly corrupt, was given a pass even after the Uranium One sale by a large Clinton Foundation donor was approved by the Clinton State Department. Comey even went so far as to take the unusual step of exonerating Hillary Clinton for her grossly negligent handling of classified materials, not a decision that was his to make. More shockingly, he permitted the destruction of 30,000 Clinton emails and relevant hard drives. It strains credulity to contend that Comey would have done the same for President Donald Trump if the occasion arose.

Comey’s exoneration of Clinton clearly transgressed clear DOJ standards, although Comey makes a tenuous argument that this was made necessary by the clear bias of Attorney General Loretta Lynch. In so doing, though, he admits that the proper course would have been to recommend a Special Counsel. But, stunningly, he also admits in his recent book that he did not do so because the public might think she was guilty, a political calculation if there ever was one.

Recent revelations show, chillingly, that he involved the FBI in what appears to have been a plot to entrap, and even frame, a political opponent and his campaign regarding Russian collusion. This radical politicization of the Bureau makes any Nixonian scheme seem like child’s play. Nixon shamefully tricked the FBI into doing a routine background check on his enemy, journalist Daniel Schorr. Comey outdid Nixon by a wide margin, using his FBI to construct a false case of possible treason against a political enemy.

During the Watergate investigation, Felt sought not to frame anyone but merely to be allowed to fully pursue the bureau’s investigation, so that no one could accuse the FBI of conducting a “whitewash.” Felt and his bureau were resisting politicization, not pursuing it, even though helping the party in power, Nixon’s, would have brought accolades and perks to his leadership team.

When, in 1972, Director Gray told Felt to “wrap up” the Watergate investigation in 72 hours, a Time magazine reporter, likely at Felt’s suggestion, called Gray inquiring about the order. Gray blew a fuse, but rescinded the order. Then when Gray and his DOJ superiors limited the Watergate prosecution to the seven originally-apprehended defendants, Felt pushed reporter Bob Woodward to explore what Felt knew to be a wider campaign of spying and sabotage. When Woodward failed to understand that to which Felt had pointed him, Felt helped the reporter understand the scheme in an all-night garage session. But raw FBI information was not leaked. Felt was not giving facts to Woodward, but teaching him how to gather facts and construct from them an overall narrative theme. The result was a series of brilliant reports which transfixed the nation.

Felt only wanted the FBI to be free to do its job, and could not have predicted the extreme extent of the fallout from the resulting explosion. Many years later, this man of honor said he was “not out to get Nixon,” but, rather, “was only doing my job.” So to compare Felt to today’s weaving spiders in Comey’s FBI hierarchy does gross disservice to Felt and all who served with him, as well as the many honorable agents following.

Felt lost his career — and his wife to suicide — in the tumultuous post-Watergate catharsis. Through it all, however, he retained his honor. And until the recent FBI regime of Comey, McCabe, Strzok, Page and others, there has been scant evidence of partisanship or dishonor in the FBI, as the scandal-free, effective leadership of Robert Mueller seems to corroborate. But now there has emerged simply too many highly questionable, partisan aspects of Comey’s “Russian Collusion” investigation to conclude similarly about his leadership team.

Comey knew that the Steele dossier was opposition research trash, but premised an investigation on it. After originally failing, without the false dossier, to obtain a FISA warrant to surveil the Trump campaign, he used the Dossier to obtain FBI warrants to eavesdrop on an opponent he had admittedly loathed. Rather than separating his bureau from Steele, Comey agreed to hire him, pulling out of the deal only because Steele became vulnerable as a proven leaker and liar. Comey’s entire leadership team, including number-two man Andrew McCabe, counterintelligence chief Strzok and legal counsel Lisa Page, all seemed to have been involved in framing Trump, working with partisan CIA Director John Brennan. When Strzok was being candid with his lover Page, he later resisted joining the Special Counsel’s Russian probe because he knew “there was no there there.” Did Comey inform Rosenstein of the vacuity of the charges on which the appointment of Mueller was based? We doubt it.

Baseless claims did not stop Comey. He tried to use the salacious allegations as leverage against Trump in his January 6, 2017 meeting with the president-elect, concealing their partisan provenance and lack of credibility. Part of the meeting’s purpose was to give DNI James Clapper a news “hook” to leak the dossier’s claims to CNN, which dutifully trashed Trump, and provided Buzzfeed an excuse to smear Trump by publishing the whole megillah. Comey then began making book on his new boss, writing four memos to use as ammunition against him in the future. But all of this, it now turns out, is not the entirety of the iceberg, as it seemed just days ago.

It is now coming to light that the FBI was setting up Trump ever since he became a likely presidential nominee. In late 2015, Brennan embraced a false tip from Estonia that Putin was seeking to support Trump financially, and brought Comey into an ‘intra-agency” group targeting Trump. On March 21, 2016, candidate Trump met with The Washington Post editorial board, which asked about his foreign policy credentials. To bolster his team’s strength, perhaps inflationarily, he named lowly, clueless hangers-on George Papadopoulos and Carter Page as part of his team with Russian experience — literally true, but nonetheless a strenuous stretch. It was then that the entrapping forces of Comey, Clapper, and Brennan, partisans all, went to work.

Approaches were made by “confidential human source” intermediaries to Papadopoulos, Page, Trump aides Sam Clovis and Michael Caputo, and likely others, to induce interest in Russian-hacked emails. The DOJ Number Four, Bruce Ohr, whose wife Nellie Ohr was behind the Steele Dossier, himself met with Christopher Steele.

A member of Comey’s team travelled to England around May 2016, well before the now-asserted start of the collusion investigation, presumably to speak with either or both Steele and confidential informants. It is impossible to believe that Comey was not behind all this and, indeed, he now defends “confidential human sources” as being both necessary and in grave danger, as if being run behind the former Iron Curtain and marked for execution.

One question to be asked is why Comey felt the need to question Papadopoulos with an undisclosed spy, using entrapping questions, when an identified FBI agent could have done the same job, at least the parts that constituted legitimate inquiry about Russian activity. The answer is, of course, that an identified FBI agent would serve, appropriately so, as a warning, not as a trap. Indeed, Comey and the team twice decided not to provide the usual “defensive briefing” given to innocent compromat targets. Apparently these partisans were more interested in entrapment than in patriotic assistance.

If there was any doubt about the political motivation of Comey, it was removed by his rhetoric following his ouster, clothed in talk of FBI independence and ethics, but revealing raging partisan animus toward Trump. Every American has a right to political beliefs, but it hardly behooves the dignity of a former FBI Director to speak as such a nakedly partisan actor.

Thousands of loyal, straight, politically-independent FBI personnel understand the damage Comey has done to the Bureau to which they devoted their lives in service to their country. We should all sincerely hope and pray that new FBI Director Christopher Wray will right the ship, restoring its honor and, above all, its cherished, apolitical independence.

John D. O’Connor is the San Francisco attorney who represented W. Mark Felt during his revelation as Deep Throat in 2005. O’Connor is the co-author of “A G-Man’s Life: The FBI, Being ‘Deep Throat,’ and the Struggle for Honor in Washington” and is a producer of “Mark Felt: The Man Who Brought Down the White House” (2017), written and directed by Peter Landesman.

http://dailycaller.com/2018/06/03/how-comey-succeeded-where-nixon-failed/

This will probably turn into a crazy wall of text, but it's a good read.

In before time4hydrocephaly, cwolfffffff, Back2thebottle or the ever defective AndroidPK yell "Fake News Website"

In reality, it's a good article and of course chocked full of facts that will quickly be dismissed as the Left rages that Hillary is not POTUS and Trump will be going down any minute, just you wait.

[cwolff]

In before time4hydrocephaly, cwolfffffff, Back2thebottle or the ever defective AndroidPK yell "Fake News Website"

In reality, it's a good article and of course chocked full of facts that will quickly be dismissed as the Left rages that Hillary is not POTUS and Trump will be going down any minute, just you wait.

tl;dr

[Parkbandit]

In before time4hydrocephaly, cwolfffffff, Back2thebottle or the ever defective AndroidPK yell "Fake News Website"

In reality, it's a good article and of course chocked full of facts that will quickly be dismissed as the Left rages that Hillary is not POTUS and Trump will be going down any minute, just you wait.

It's an opinion piece written by the attorney who represented Deep Throat.

Also, it's cwaaaaaalf.

[Androidpk]

Also, what are your sources that are leading you to believe PB's a wife beating flowerchild?

The same source parkbandit uses to get his "facts" about me.

[Gelston]

The same source parkbandit uses to get his "facts" about me.

I mean, at least one other person has said this though. He isn't completely making it up. Whether or not they are turthful or not, there is a thread he can link. Do you have the same for him?

[Androidpk]

I mean, at least one other person has said this though. He isn't completely making it up. Whether or not they are turthful or not, there is a thread he can link. Do you have the same for him?

Bullshit. Some of the stuff he's been saying is completely made up and has never been mentioned anywhere else by anybody.

[Gelston]

Bullshit. Some of the stuff he's been saying is completely made up and has never been mentioned anywhere else by anybody.

He was literally linking the posts as he was saying it, and you're still saying that other things were said. Nothing you have posted has been said anywhere else, at least that I can see, by anyone else. So please, what thread was this all brought to light?

[Androidpk]

He was literally linking the posts as he was saying it, and you're still saying that other things were said. Nothing you have posted has been said anywhere else, at least that I can see, by anyone else. So please, what thread was this all brought to light?

Please show me where in those threads anyone says I have multiple personalities, mental disorders, that I beg for jobs, that I've begged for people to allow me to crash on their couches. I'll wait.

[Gelston]

Please show me where in those threads anyone says I have multiple personalities, mental disorders, that I beg for jobs, that I've begged for people to allow me to crash on their couches. I'll wait.

Sorry, I just got this rep

Thread: Russia Investigation Heating Up
you are arguing with a tard

so I'm obligated to stop responding to you.

But no, I was talking about the theft, the cheating, the hatred of female masturbation, etc. There is some shady shit there my man.

[Androidpk]

the hatred of female masturbation


:lol:

[Parkbandit]

Please show me where in those threads anyone says I have multiple personalities, mental disorders, that I beg for jobs, that I've begged for people to allow me to crash on their couches. I'll wait.

The multiple personalities comes from your lack of any solid political principles except making pot legal. You went from a die hard Rand Paul (far right) supporter to a Bernie Sanders (far left) supporter almost overnight.

Mental disorders is obvious.

Begging from jobs... dude, you were ecstatic when you landed your job at Goodwill. That's not really much of a stretch, is it?

Begging people to allow you to crash on their couch... sorry, thought that was obvious.

Ok, from now on.. let's just use the real facts that aren't in dispute: You stay holed up in your room for weeks on end, you hate it when a female masturbates too loudly when you are trying to sleep, you are a homewrecking scumbag with no morals and you have no qualms about stealing from your ex lovers to get even.

Sorry about the multiple personality crack. I will, however, stand by my political bi-polar comment. That has plenty of evidence.

[Androidpk]

The multiple personalities comes from your lack of any solid political principles except making pot legal. You went from a die hard Rand Paul (far right) supporter to a Bernie Sanders (far left) supporter almost overnight.

Mental disorders is obvious.

Begging from jobs... dude, you were ecstatic when you landed your job at Goodwill. That's not really much of a stretch, is it?

Begging people to allow you to crash on their couch... sorry, thought that was obvious.

Ok, from now on.. let's just use the real facts that aren't in dispute: You stay holed up in your room for weeks on end, you hate it when a female masturbates too loudly when you are trying to sleep, you are a homewrecking scumbag with no morals and you have no qualms about stealing from your ex lovers to get even.

Sorry about the multiple personality crack. I will, however, stand by my political bi-polar comment. That has plenty of evidence.

Must really suck to be a bitter old man where you gotta go on a forum for a game you don't play anymore to talk shit nonstop about people who criticize Trump. Talk about being a pathetic loser. Get help.

[RichardCranium]

Oh man:

https://i.imgur.com/tS4IPol.jpg

[Parkbandit]

Must really suck to be a bitter old man where you gotta go on a forum for a game you don't play anymore to talk shit nonstop about people who criticize Trump. Talk about being a pathetic loser. Get help.

But still far better than you. :)