Russia Investigation Heating Up

[Androidpk]

What specifically was the special council's job to investigate when it started out?

(i) any links and/or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump; and

(ii) any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation; and

(iii) any other matters within the scope of 28 C.F.R 600.4(a)

[Fortybox]

You keep on saying collusion. Collusion is not the only thing being investigated here, as has been stated since day 1.

K. Let me know when you find something.

[Androidpk]

K. Let me know when you find something.

Something like the 18 or so indictments already handed out? Okay.

[Fortybox]

Something like the 18 or so indictments already handed out? Okay.

Let me know when this proves Trump did anything.

[time4fun]

I'm not sure why you can't understand a very simple concept: NOTHING you do, say, pretend to be, etc... "upsets" me in the least.

At all.

Just remember: Most people have control of their emotions far better than you. They don't get "upset" or "frightened" or "scared" like you have stated you have been since 11/8/16... so please, stop projecting and seriously, get on some medication.

As always, you are a source of endless amusement. Let's show the class how "not" upset you are by me:

This is the negative rep you kept coming back to my old posts to give me- over and over again- when I hadn't posted publicly here for months:


01-23-2018 11:20 PM
LOL@URREP


12-22-2017 09:30 AM
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12-10-2017 08:54 AM
It is so peaceful since you up and left. Thank you.

11-09-2017 08:26 AM
LOLOL

10-22-2017 08:00 AM
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10-10-2017 09:24 PM
Glad you are gone.

09-26-2017 12:17 PM
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09-23-2017 11:04 AM
Stay red, bitch. I would tell you we miss you, but you know that is a lie. Good riddance to retarded rubbish.

09-07-2017 08:54 AM
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08-28-2017 07:29 AM
So glad we forced you to leave. BYE

08-20-2017 08:15 AM
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08-15-2017 04:26 PM
Lol you can't really be this retarded this has to be an act. Except it isn't and you're just that much of a fringe lunatic

08-15-2017 08:04 AM
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I can't imagine being so upset that someone told me I was wrong that I would go back to their old posts for 5 months after I believed they had left a forum to give them fake digital negative reputation every few weeks- and to keep having a one sided conversation with them.

It was a pretty consistent source of amusement for me and the people I laughed about it with, but at the same time such a deeply sad reflection of how extraordinarily upset I made you by pointing out that you were wrong.

But, I digress. Tell me some more about that masterful control you have over your emotions

:baby:

[Androidpk]

As always, you are a source of endless amusement. Let's show the class how "not" upset you are by me:

This is the negative rep you kept coming back to my old posts to give me- over and over again- when I hadn't posted publicly here for months:



I can't imagine being so upset that someone told me I was wrong that I would go back to their old posts for 5 months after I believed they had left a forum to give them fake digital negative reputation every few weeks- and to keep having a one sided conversation with them.

It was a pretty consistent source of amusement for me and the people I laughed about it with, but at the same time such a deeply sad reflection of how extraordinarily upset I made you by pointing out that you were wrong.

But, I digress. Tell me some more about that masterful control you have over your emotions

:baby:

I wasn't joking when I said PB, Methais and wrathbringer talked about you constantly during your absence. I've never seen people so triggered in my entire life.

[time4fun]

I wasn't joking when I said PB, Methais and wrathbringer talked about you constantly during your absence. I've never seen people so triggered in my entire life.

I almost feel bad laughing about this- I have typically tried to stay away from making fun of their lives. It feels a little too close to their home, as it were.

But it's genuinely one of the most pathetic things I've ever seen in my life.

[~Rocktar~]

I wasn't joking when I said PB, Methais and wrathbringer talked about you constantly during your absence. I've never seen people so triggered in my entire life.

So you are saying you don't own any mirrors.

[cwolff]

I almost feel bad laughing about this- I have typically tried to stay away from making fun of their lives. It feels a little too close to their home, as it were.

But it's genuinely one of the most pathetic things I've ever seen in my life.

Ya he's right. They talked about you a lot and were pretty worried or triggered or something about you returning. They were convinced you were posting on other screennames and would try to out you.

[Wrathbringer]

The Butthurt Squad is out in force tonight.

[time4fun]

Ya he's right. They talked about you a lot and were pretty worried or triggered or something about you returning. They were convinced you were posting on other screennames and would try to out you.

I know, I saw some posts in the post stream a few times and would laugh about it with people on LNET.

It's my fault really. I'm not used to being around insecure men, so I'm not in the habit of babying their feelings.

I gather that's upsetting to them.

[Ashliana]

Oh no! Parkbandit's been humiliated! I'd better throw out the word "butthurt!" some more! Uhh, uhhh! Butthurt! RETARDED! RETARDED BUTTHURTS!!!!!

You're an imbecile, Wrathbringer.

[Fortybox]

I know, I saw some posts in the post stream a few times and would laugh about it with people on LNET.

It's my fault really. I'm not used to being around insecure men, so I'm not in the habit of babying their feelings.

That's sexist.

[Wrathbringer]

You're an imbecile, Wrathbringer.

Hey, look, it's the Rear Admiral of the Butthurt Brigade!

[Ashliana]

That's sexist.

Erm... No, it isn't. She didn't make any generalizations about men. I see you graduated from the same school of reading comprehension as Parkbandit. Well done, sir.

[time4fun]

Erm... No, it isn't. She didn't make any generalizations about men. I see you graduated from the same school of reading comprehension as Parkbandit. Well done, sir.

Brings back fond memories of Tgo struggling to be smarter than a 5th grader

[Fortybox]

Erm... No, it isn't. She didn't make any generalizations about men. I see you graduated from the same school of reading comprehension as Parkbandit. Well done, sir.

Sorry but Hillary won the popular vote. You're wrong.

[Ashliana]

Sorry but Hillary won the popular vote. You're wrong.

:rofl:


Hey, look, it's the Rear Admiral of the Butthurt Brigade!

You are the personification of butthurt. Consult a mirror, or a psychiatrist.

[time4fun]

Now, back to regular business while we wait for PB to come back and fall apart.

CNN reporting (https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/06/politics/trump-robert-mueller-lawyers/index.html) this evening that Trump has begun some prep for his Mueller interview. That would seem to suggest that they're at least considering accepting (honestly, at this point they may just figure that waiting for a subpoena would make the press around this much, much worse). It would also seem to suggest that the last meeting with Mueller has changed the equation a bit. (Which would also explain why Dowd left around that time)


One source familiar with the proceedings stressed the preparation efforts is "in its infancy."
The preparations have been short and informal and included going over potential topics with the President that Mueller would likely raise in an interview, the people said.

CNN is also reporting tonight (https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/06/politics/joseph-schmitz-trump-adviser-clinton-emails/index.html)that one of Trump's advisers during the campaign went to the FBI with what he claimed were Clinton's deleted email:


Joseph Schmitz approached the FBI and other government agencies about material a client of his had discovered that Schmitz believed might have been Clinton's missing 30,000 emails from her private e-mail server, sources say. The material was never verified, and sources say they ultimately believed it was fake.

His push is the latest example of Trump advisers who were mixed up in efforts to find dirt on Clinton during the presidential campaign. Schmitz was one of the first people Trump named to his campaign's national security and foreign policy team. The team, showcased in a March 2016 photo, was thrown together early in Trump's successful run as he faced mounting pressure to prove his ability to pull in high-level advisers who could help prepare him for the White House.

Another adviser pictured in the photo, Trump's foreign policy adviser George Papadopoulos, was told by a Kremlin-connected professor that the Russian government had damaging material on Clinton. Six weeks later, Donald Trump Jr. got a message from a business associate offering similar information, leading to the Trump Tower meeting that Trump's son-in-law Jared Kushner and then-campaign chairman Paul Manafort attended.

Fired chief strategist Steve Bannon told the House Intelligence Committee in February that members of the Trump campaign "kept getting approached" by outsiders suggesting ways to get Clinton's emails, according to a source familiar with his testimony.

Remember all those times Trump and his campaign denied any contact with Russia?

Yeah.

[Wrathbringer]

Now, back to regular business while we wait for PB to come back and fall apart.

CNN reporting (https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/06/politics/trump-robert-mueller-lawyers/index.html) this evening that Trump has begun some prep for his Mueller interview. That would seem to suggest that they're at least considering accepting (honestly, at this point they may just figure that waiting for a subpoena would make the press around this much, much worse). It would also seem to suggest that the last meeting with Mueller has changed the equation a bit. (Which would also explain why Dowd left around that time)



CNN is also reporting tonight (https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/06/politics/joseph-schmitz-trump-adviser-clinton-emails/index.html)that one of Trump's advisers during the campaign went to the FBI with what he claimed were Clinton's deleted email:



Remember all those times Trump and his campaign denied any contact with Russia?

Yeah.

OMGOMGOMG THIS IS REALLY IT THIS TIME GUYS!!!!111 NO FOR REAL THIS IS IT!!!1

[Neveragain]

Now, back to regular business while we wait for PB to come back and fall apart.

CNN reporting (https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/06/politics/trump-robert-mueller-lawyers/index.html) this evening that Trump has begun some prep for his Mueller interview. That would seem to suggest that they're at least considering accepting (honestly, at this point they may just figure that waiting for a subpoena would make the press around this much, much worse). It would also seem to suggest that the last meeting with Mueller has changed the equation a bit. (Which would also explain why Dowd left around that time)



CNN is also reporting tonight (https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/06/politics/joseph-schmitz-trump-adviser-clinton-emails/index.html)that one of Trump's advisers during the campaign went to the FBI with what he claimed were Clinton's deleted email:



Remember all those times Trump and his campaign denied any contact with Russia?

Yeah.

https://m.popkey.co/f397f1/YR10G.gif

[cwolff]

That assumes collusion actually happened, which has not been proven. Please try again.


You keep on saying collusion. Collusion is not the only thing being investigated here, as has been stated since day 1.


K. Let me know when you find something.


Something like the 18 or so indictments already handed out? Okay.


Let me know when this proves Trump did anything.

LMAO. This is so typical.

8964

[Fortybox]

LMAO. This is so typical.

8964

Trump is still the President. You’re not very good at this are you? Sorry brah.

[Parkbandit]

As always, you are a source of endless amusement. Let's show the class how "not" upset you are by me:

This is the negative rep you kept coming back to my old posts to give me- over and over again- when I hadn't posted publicly here for months:



I can't imagine being so upset that someone told me I was wrong that I would go back to their old posts for 5 months after I believed they had left a forum to give them fake digital negative reputation every few weeks- and to keep having a one sided conversation with them.

It was a pretty consistent source of amusement for me and the people I laughed about it with, but at the same time such a deeply sad reflection of how extraordinarily upset I made you by pointing out that you were wrong.

But, I digress. Tell me some more about that masterful control you have over your emotions

:baby:

So, you don't know when someone is upset and when someone isn't. Ok. Not surprised I have to slow talk this for you, but here, I will give you clear cut examples of someone who is not in control of their emotions and is clearly upset:


Well this is really not a fun night. No matter what, the alt-right won tonight


He's getting FL and NC. Thanks Comey. I hope everyone enjoys the new dictator.


The big issue here though is MI. If that's lost, the country is in a lot of trouble.


This is the scariest political moment in my lifetime


An authoritarian who abuses minorities for votes just got control of all three branches of government. What could possibly go wrong with this plan?


But for some of us- this is beyond terrifying. I'm so scared for my family that I'm literally sick to my stomach.


A colleague of mine showed up to work on the edge of tears today. Mike Pence is already talking about the LGBTQ rights he's looking forward to dismantling, and he's one of the most anti-gay elected officials in the country. He's responsible for one of the freedom to discrimination/freedom of religion bills. Her sister called her up sobbing, terrified of what this is going to mean for her. I broke down too- what does this mean for my other brother who happens to be gay?


Anyone in our situation would worry. We'd be insane not to.


I feel so useless.


This is what life is now I guess. Scared one brother is going to be deported, scared another brother is going to lose his rights, and wondering how much it's going to cost me to cover insurance for two siblings who are going to lose it otherwise.


These are the human consequences of the election. No amount of dismissal, sarcasm, or heartless amusement will change the reality of it for families like mine.


Do me a favor- don't act like the horrible situation we're in is somehow inevitable. You can dismiss the pain, you can act like a fun overseas romp of your own volition is akin to the fear of having your family ripped apart to placate the masses, and you can hypocritically mansplain to me about sacrifices you will never understand.

But don't you dare do all of that and have the nerve to say you wish my family well.

Because you don't.

[time4fun]

Trump is still the President. You’re not very good at this are you? Sorry brah.

Someone's definitely not very good at this.

[Parkbandit]

That election thread still makes me laugh...

Thank you.

[Fortybox]

So, you don't know when someone is upset and when someone isn't. Ok. Not surprised I have to slow talk this for you, but here, I will give you clear cut examples of someone who is not in control of their emotions and is clearly upset:

Huge difference between those posts and the glamorous wonderful life she has now. I mean EVERYTHING IS AWESOME when she speaks on LNET.

New job, travel, blunts this, blunts that...

Trump has made her life super awesome wonderful and this is the thanks he gets.

[Fortybox]

Someone's definitely not very good at this.

This investigation has brought you nothing. Keep up the hope though, it's very amusing.

[time4fun]

That election thread still makes me laugh...

Thank you.

:oops: Looks like I hurt someone's feelings again.

[Parkbandit]

:oops: Looks like I hurt someone's feelings again.

Like everything else, you aren't very good at this.

[Latrinsorm]

This investigation has brought you nothing. Keep up the hope though, it's very amusing.This investigation has already brought numerous criminals to justice. Isn't that the point of law enforcement?

[time4fun]

This investigation has already brought numerous criminals to justice. Isn't that the point of law enforcement?

Candidly, they seem to be pretty confused on the core concept of an investigation.

[Androidpk]

This investigation has already brought numerous criminals to justice. Isn't that the point of law enforcement?

Not when they're enforcing the law against Republicans!

[Fortybox]

This investigation has already brought numerous criminals to justice. Isn't that the point of law enforcement?

But not Trump.

[time4fun]

Like everything else, you aren't very good at this.

So is that what you were thinking when- 4 months after my last public post here and 3 days before Christmas- you looked up one of my old posts on a forum for a game you haven't played in years and gave it negative rep to make yourself feel better?

Didn't have a lot going on at that point, did we?

That was probably before you learned this masterful control over your emotions though.

[Fortybox]

So is that what you were thinking when- 4 months after my last public post here and 3 days before Christmas- you looked up one of my old posts on a forum for a game you haven't played in years and gave it negative rep to make yourself feel better?

Didn't have a lot going on at that point, did we?

That was probably before you learned this masterful control over your emotions though.

LOL like you celebrate Christmas.

[Androidpk]

pb literally every time he posts on the PC

https://i.imgur.com/BfznF3I.gif

someone on lnet said its why his wife divorced him

[Nathala Crane]

So is that what you were thinking when- 4 months after my last public post here and 3 days before Christmas- you looked up one of my old posts on a forum for a game you haven't played in years and gave it negative rep to make yourself feel better?

Didn't have a lot going on at that point, did we?

That was probably before you learned this masterful control over your emotions though.

I'm not usually a very big fan of your posts, but this is some funny-ass shit.

[time4fun]

pb literally every time he posts on the PC

someone on lnet said its why his wife divorced him


Okay, okay- we should stop there and get back to discussing the Russia investigation.

No one deserves to have that kind of thing dredged up on a forum. I take responsibility here- I crossed that line first in my previous post.

[Fortybox]

Okay, okay- we should stop there and get back to discussing the Russia investigation.

He's not a particularly nice person, but no one deserves to have that kind of thing dredged up on a forum. I take responsibility here- I crossed that line first in my previous post.

This counter attack of yours is so cute.

[cwolff]

So is that what you were thinking when- 4 months after my last public post here and 3 days before Christmas- you looked up one of my old posts on a forum for a game you haven't played in years and gave it negative rep to make yourself feel better?

Didn't have a lot going on at that point, did we?

That was probably before you learned this masterful control over your emotions though.


pb literally every time he posts on the PC

someone on lnet said its why his wife divorced him

Man, that makes me feel sad for him. I don't know what's the real story with his life but this rings true.

[cwolff]

I think we’re actually doing PB a great service, almost certain we’re staving off early alzheimers or dementia by being sounding off board for all his wild claims and infowar theories.

You're doing a service with that Avatar. Hill looks HOT!

[Fortybox]

You're doing a service with that Avatar. Hill looks HOT!

...ew.

[Parkbandit]

So is that what you were thinking when- 4 months after my last public post here and 3 days before Christmas- you looked up one of my old posts on a forum for a game you haven't played in years and gave it negative rep to make yourself feel better?

Honestly. For all the hardships you have in your pathetic life.. I would think you would be better at guessing people's feelings. You have been surrounded by misery your whole life, from your mean old step daddy, to your illegal brother... I mean come on.. how can you NOT have figured this out by now? Can you really be that obtuse?


Didn't have a lot going on at that point, did we?

Is it that you got a negative rep from me that has you still upset 5 months later.. or that it was 3 days before Christmas?


That was probably before you learned this masterful control over your emotions though.

Again. I got exactly what I wanted out of that red rep comment that took me literally 2 seconds to make: 5 months later, you are STILL upset over it.

I honestly wish I could say I'm sorry I hurt your feelings over it... but I'm literally laughing at you right now.

"Better living through pharmaceuticals"... I don't normally prescribe to that saying.. but for you, I'm thinking it can't get any worse.

And when President Trump kicks your gay, illegal brother out of the country like you were so scared about.. you will probably need it.

[Parkbandit]

pb literally every time he posts on the PC

someone on lnet said its why his wife divorced him

She did? I should go tell her.. since that bitch is still living in my house.

I know you would like that.. but sorry.. 26 years and counting :(

[Parkbandit]

You're doing a service with that Avatar. Hill looks HOT!

And now we know the type of women cwolff is attracted to.

That certainly explains a lot.

[Parkbandit]

Shit.. 3 posts in a row.

Clearly I must be upset then.................

Now 4. :(

[cwolff]

Woa, I don't know what he's saying but PB sure seems to be saying a lot. Probably defending how great his life is?

[time4fun]

Is it that you got a negative rep from me that has you still upset 5 months later.. or that it was 3 days before Christmas?.

Oh no sweetie- I wasn't complaining. We were laughing at you.

And hey- I just want you to know that your overly-punctuated posts filled with dramatic and emotive words don't come across as upset at all.

[Fortybox]

Woa, I don't know what he's saying but PB sure seems to be saying a lot. Probably defending how great his life is?

Lolwut?

[Fortybox]

Oh no sweetie- I wasn't complaining. We were laughing at you.

And hey- I just want you to know that your overly-punctuated posts filled with dramatic and emotive words don't come across as upset at all.

https://media3.giphy.com/media/l3V0nKt696ClG9Xws/giphy.gif

[Androidpk]

Woa, I don't know what he's saying but PB sure seems to be saying a lot. Probably defending how great his life is?

Oh he's just a typical white straight dude, totally normal bro, bro-ing it up 24/7, best life ever.

[Parkbandit]

Oh he's just a typical white straight dude, totally normal bro, bro-ing it up 24/7, best life ever.

Well, we certainly don't ever have to worry about you making any of those claims.

Well.. maybe the white part. That's it.

So far from you.. my "girlfriend" works at McDonalds.. and she's one of your sources.. and "someone" claimed I got a divorce.

You aren't even good at making shit up.. at least when I say you are a mooch, you work at Goodwill and you complain about women masturbating too loudly.. it's factual.

[Parkbandit]

Oh no sweetie- I wasn't complaining. We were laughing at you.

And hey- I just want you to know that your overly-punctuated posts filled with dramatic and emotive words don't come across as upset at all.

Really? You really called me dramatic and emotive.. after I just posted all those actual quotes of your multiple meltdowns?

Hilarious.

[Parkbandit]

3rd post.

Just because I'm clearly so upset.

[Androidpk]

Well, we certainly don't ever have to worry about you making any of those claims.

Well.. maybe the white part. That's it.

So far from you.. my "girlfriend" works at McDonalds.. and she's one of your sources.. and "someone" claimed I got a divorce.

You aren't even good at making shit up.. at least when I say you are a mooch, you work at Goodwill and you complain about women masturbating too loudly.. it's factual.

As opposed to your source that says I begged Good Will for a job? And that I still work there? Or that there is actually something wrong with people for working for that organization? Sad. Low energy.

[Parkbandit]

As opposed to your source that says I begged Good Will for a job? And that I still work there? Or that there is actually something wrong with people for working for that organization? Sad. Low energy.

I would most certainly trust diethx, who posted on these forums, than I ever would trust you.

And it's Goodwill... one word. Have some damn respect for a company that actually employed you.

And no, there's nothing wrong with the people who are working for that organization. They employ people who other companies won't.

It's an excellent charity for that reason.

[Methais]

My dear, it's precisely because I have strong arguments and evidence that I upset you so much.

hahahahahahahahahahahaha

false hope and delusions != evidence

[Methais]

I'm not sure why you can't understand a very simple concept: NOTHING you do, say, pretend to be, etc... "upsets" me in the least.

At all.

You are a joke. Sorry to burst your bubble.

You have bought into this conspiracy theory that Trump colluded with Russia and THAT is why your girl lost.

And when it doesn't come to fruition to your satisfaction, you will blame it on sexism or Deep State or whatever else the Democrat Party tells you to regurgitate.

And the only thing that will eclipse the current meltdown you and your ignorant ilk have been having for the past 18 months is when Trump is re-elected to a 2nd term.

And yes, I will be voting for Trump JUST for that specific reason.

Just remember: Most people have control of their emotions far better than you. They don't get "upset" or "frightened" or "scared" like you have stated you have been since 11/8/16... so please, stop projecting and seriously, get on some medication.

This is correct.

[Methais]

:rofl:

Seems level-headed and not at all unhinged. Have you forgotten how you were exposed in the rep thread? Obsessed, furiously hostile, in a sexual way, no less. .... Yeah. Sorry, PB. You're not in a credible position to say who is or isn't upset, and who needs medication. You badly need psychiatric care.

What's worse though? Leaving people red rep, or creating alt accounts to use to agree with your main account's posts?

Genuinely curious which one you'd consider more worthy of requiring psychiatric care, and why.

[Methais]

I wasn't joking when I said PB, Methais and wrathbringer talked about you constantly during your absence. I've never seen people so triggered in my entire life.

That's only because she set the bar for ultra retardedness that other retards like you are measured against. i.e. "Golly, pk sure has been unhinged as fuck and making zero sense lately, he's acting just like time4fun!"

Backlash used to hold the retard championship until time4strapon showed up and took it from him.

Either way, that's not being triggered. You, cwolff, time4fun, and Ashliana are the definition of being triggered, and it's only gotten worse since 11/8/16.

The rest of us are just laughing at how stupid and delusional you all are. But sure keep projecting your chronic butthurt triggered state on us so you can try and delude yourselves into thinking you're not incredible retards with mental instability issues while we laugh at you even more.

[Wrathbringer]

time4strapon

:lol:

[drauz]

Wait, is Ashlianna and time4fun the same person? I'm confused with the alt account allegations.

[Methais]

Wait, is Ashlianna and time4fun the same person? I'm confused with the alt account allegations.

A few people thought Rhesia was time4triggered a few weeks ago for some reason. Not sure why though, because while she did come across as fairly clueless about things, she wasn't all cunty and uppity and didn't seem like she's on a baked beans only diet so that she can spend all day every day deeply inhaling her own farts like time4flatulence does.

[Methais]

Serious question, are you a teenage girl in RL? From your posting history you seem to just gossip and slander people at a 9th grade English level...

https://www.superheroineforum.com/forum/download/file.php?id=32187

You seem to be in the know on what's popular with mall girls. Do you hang out with them? Or are you still watching them like this, even though security has warned you multiple times to stop?

https://i.imgur.com/8iNmW.gif

It must really bother you not being able to post gay porn anymore ever since Kranar wrecked all your accounts.

[Fortybox]

You seem to be in the know on what's popular with mall girls. Do you hang out with them? Or are you still watching them like this, even though security has warned you multiple times to stop?

https://i.imgur.com/8iNmW.gif

It must really bother you not being able to post gay porn anymore ever since Kranar wrecked all your accounts.

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[Methais]

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[Fortybox]

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[Fortybox]

time4fun is one of those people that makes conversations all about themselves, even when people aren't talking to them or about them:

[Merchant]-GSIV:Boomsplat: "price check on a T2 of T3 black ora Estoc and a 6x 2 slot fusion falchion"
[Merchant]-GSIV:Vishra: "OMG that estoc is still around?"
[Merchant]-GSIV:Vishra: "that used to be mine!"

[Fortybox]

3x posts

[Methais]

time4fun is one of those people that makes conversations all about themselves, even when people aren't talking to them or about them:

[Merchant]-GSIV:Boomsplat: "price check on a T2 of T3 black ora Estoc and a 6x 2 slot fusion falchion"
[Merchant]-GSIV:Vishra: "OMG that estoc is still around?"
[Merchant]-GSIV:Vishra: "that used to be mine!"

This is her almost every day on LNet.


3x posts

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[Parkbandit]

time4fun is one of those people that makes conversations all about themselves, even when people aren't talking to them or about them:

[Merchant]-GSIV:Boomsplat: "price check on a T2 of T3 black ora Estoc and a 6x 2 slot fusion falchion"
[Merchant]-GSIV:Vishra: "OMG that estoc is still around?"
[Merchant]-GSIV:Vishra: "that used to be mine!"

In her defense, she has a relative that has a PhD in Blunt Weaponology and Cultural Studies.

[Ashliana]

What's worse though? Leaving people red rep, or creating alt accounts to use to agree with your main account's posts?

Genuinely curious which one you'd consider more worthy of requiring psychiatric care, and why.

Okay, Methais. If you can't see the difference between:

A) creating an alternate account (for a real reason), and then doing that a handful of times (I had like two on-topic posts before I fucked it up), versus

B) leaving a slew of people bigoted, angrily sexualized comments literally for years, cycling through rep as fast as the system would allow so he could continue raving...

Then I don't know what to tell you, other than perhaps you also need therapy. Even PB, after being publicly exposed, was shamed into changing his comments to "..............," so either he knew what he was doing was wrong, or as a sociopath, at least didn't want people knowing how deranged he is when he thinks nobody's looking. Given the wider context of his general behavior, probably the latter. Now he's resigned himself to just obsessively rep cycling to make sure anybody who dares disagree with his mindless partisanship turns red, since he can't actually argue his way out of a wet paper bag.

:rofl:

But I do like how a handful of posts engendered a decade of PB's hysterical accusations of other people being me, though. Tsa'ah.. Wesley.. Kithus.. Time.. Macgyver.. Any others I'm forgetting?

[Wrathbringer]

lol @ your rep

[Androidpk]

I would most certainly trust diethx, who posted on these forums, than I ever would trust you.

And it's Goodwill... one word. Have some damn respect for a company that actually employed you.

And no, there's nothing wrong with the people who are working for that organization. They employ people who other companies won't.

It's an excellent charity for that reason.

When did she ever say I begged for a job? You have so many lies at this point you can't keep them straight.

[Methais]

Okay, Methais. If you can't see the difference between:

A) creating an alternate account (for a real reason), and then doing that a handful of times (I had like two on-topic posts before I fucked it up), versus

B) leaving a slew of people bigoted, angrily sexualized comments literally for years, cycling through rep as fast as the system would allow so he could continue raving...

Then I don't know what to tell you, other than perhaps you also need therapy. Even PB, after being publicly exposed, was shamed into changing his comments to "..............," so either he knew what he was doing was wrong, or as a sociopath, at least didn't want people knowing how deranged he is when he thinks nobody's looking. Given the wider context of his general behavior, probably the latter. Now he's resigned himself to just obsessively rep cycling to make sure anybody who dares disagree with his mindless partisanship turns red, since he can't actually argue his way out of a wet paper bag.

:rofl:

But I do like how a handful of posts engendered a decade of PB's hysterical accusations of other people being me, though. Tsa'ah.. Wesley.. Kithus.. Time.. Macgyver.. Any others I'm forgetting?

So you agree that agreeing with yourself from an alt account is worse. Excellent.

What were those “real reasons” you mentioned though? Besides to agree with yourself of course.

[Methais]

https://i.imgur.com/3w7Td7A.jpg

OMG OMG OMG THINGS ARE REALLY HEATING UP NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111

[Parkbandit]

Okay, Methais. If you can't see the difference between:

A) creating an alternate account (for a real reason), and then doing that a handful of times (I had like two on-topic posts before I fucked it up), versus

B) leaving a slew of people bigoted, angrily sexualized comments literally for years, cycling through rep as fast as the system would allow so he could continue raving...

Then I don't know what to tell you, other than perhaps you also need therapy. Even PB, after being publicly exposed, was shamed into changing his comments to "..............," so either he knew what he was doing was wrong, or as a sociopath, at least didn't want people knowing how deranged he is when he thinks nobody's looking. Given the wider context of his general behavior, probably the latter. Now he's resigned himself to just obsessively rep cycling to make sure anybody who dares disagree with his mindless partisanship turns red, since he can't actually argue his way out of a wet paper bag.

:rofl:

But I do like how a handful of posts engendered a decade of PB's hysterical accusations of other people being me, though. Tsa'ah.. Wesley.. Kithus.. Time.. Macgyver.. Any others I'm forgetting?

You being so upset over the rep comments I left you makes me so happy. Mission Accomplished.

Thank you.

Also, I love how you blame your stupidity for agreeing with your own post on another login. Are you suggesting that you were just going to agree with yourself? It wasn't a fuck up.. it was an intentional attempt to give yourself support, which is beyond pathetic, bordering on psychotic.

BTW: I don't believe I ever accused you of being Tsa`ah. Sorry.

[Parkbandit]

When did she ever say I begged for a job? You have so many lies at this point you can't keep them straight.

THAT is the nugget you're holding onto? "SHE DIDN'T SAY BEG, SHE SAID I WAS SO HAPPY I FINALLY GOT A JOB AT GOODWILL!"

And lies? Really? You said I had a girlfriend who works at McDonalds and that I'm divorced, both of which are creations from your drug addled, barely functioning brain.

"BUT SHE DIDN'T SAY BEG!!!!!"

You're a pathetic, creepy little sponge.

[Androidpk]

THAT is the nugget you're holding onto? "SHE DIDN'T SAY BEG, SHE SAID I WAS SO HAPPY I FINALLY GOT A JOB AT GOODWILL!"

And lies? Really? You said I had a girlfriend who works at McDonalds and that I'm divorced, both of which are creations from your drug addled, barely functioning brain.

"BUT SHE DIDN'T SAY BEG!!!!!"

You're a pathetic, creepy little sponge.

lol, you can't even answer a simple question without flipping the fuck out.

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[cwolff]

lol, you can't even answer a simple question without flipping the fuck out.

https://s16-us2.startpage.com/cgi-bin/serveimage?url=http:%2F%2Fwww.gifbin.com%2Fbin%2F0 62010%2F1275905143_raging-midget.gifhttps://img.4plebs.org/boards/pol/image/1422/48/1422481564912.gif

know what's really fucked up? This dude PB can probably own guns.

[time4fun]

lol, you can't even answer a simple question without flipping the fuck out.


He's not upset PK. He's totally in control of his emotions.

The fact that he's posting in all caps and insults, and the fact that he spends his days picking fights in a forum dedicated to a game he hasn't played in years is a sign of his emotional control. (Actually I'm serious about that last part)

[Fortybox]

He's not upset PK. He's totally in control of his emotions.

The fact that he's posting in all caps and insults, and the fact that he spends his days picking fights in a forum dedicated to a game he hasn't played in years is a sign of his emotional control. (Actually I'm serious about that last part)

Says the person who posts wall after wall of text about Trump...on a gaming forum.

[Androidpk]

and the fact that he spends his days picking fights in a forum dedicated to a game he hasn't played in years is a sign of his emotional control. (Actually I'm serious about that last part)

Speaks volumes about the type of person he is. Sad.

[Androidpk]

Says the person who posts wall after wall of text about Trump...on a gaming forum.

...in the Politics folder, yeah

[cwolff]

Says the person who posts wall after wall of text about Trump...on a gaming forum.

Hahahaha. This took me by surprise. Trolls gonna troll I guess so I shouldn't be surprised but WTF?

[Fortybox]

...in the Politics folder, yeah

Of a gaming forum. And not just posts but dissertations.

[Androidpk]

Of a gaming forum. And not just posts but dissertations.

Your point? This forum has multiple off-topic folders.

[cwolff]

Of a gaming forum. And not just posts but dissertations.

Ya man, but we're all posting here. Libs, wing nuts, normal people...probably even a Ted Nugent fan or two. And we've all played this game for 20 years. I know people hate that I post here a lot (at least when I'm "on again" with GSIV) so I can understand that people would be upset by the long T4F posts but that's just how it is. I like her posts and appreciate that she does it.

[Taernath]

THAT'S IT GUYS THE JIG IS UP BETTER NOT POST ANYMORE IN THE POLITICS SECTION OF A GAMING FORUM

[Fortybox]

Hahahaha. This took me by surprise. Trolls gonna troll I guess so I shouldn't be surprised but WTF?

Why is it surprising? She accused someone of spending their days picking fights on a forum for a game they no longer play. She does pretty much the same thing (except for the playing part).

[Fortybox]

Ya man, but we're all posting here. Libs, wing nuts, normal people...probably even a Ted Nugent fan or two. And we've all played this game for 20 years. I know people hate that I post here a lot (at least when I'm "on again" with GSIV) so I can understand that people would be upset by the long T4F posts but that's just how it is. I like her posts and appreciate that she does it.

And most of us post sentences because I assume we have other things to do. So for her to accuse someone of the time they spend on the forum when she herself dedicates time on the forum is a little silly don't you think? But that is time4fun logic for you.

[cwolff]

Why is it surprising? She accused someone of spending their days picking fights on a forum for a game they no longer play. She does pretty much the same thing (except for the playing part).

Well....that's like the thing that ties us together isn't it? Playing the game? I don't care that someone wants to post here though. It's free and open to anyone so fuck it. That being said; it is damn strange that PB invests the time and energy he does invest into stalking and trolling people that come here anyway because they're buying a new weapon or asking a question about a profession.

[Androidpk]

And most of us post sentences because I assume we have other things to do. So for her to accuse someone of the time they spend on the forum when she herself dedicates time on the forum is a little silly don't you think? But that is time4fun logic for you.

The difference being parkbandit is just here to shit in his diaper, scream at people and spam them with rep. Time4fun at least engages in conversation like an adult.

[cwolff]

And most of us post sentences because I assume we have other things to do. So for her to accuse someone of the time they spend on the forum when she herself dedicates time on the forum is a little silly don't you think? But that is time4fun logic for you.


Forty, I want you guys to post more. Put ideas into the Politics folder and defend them on their merits. Even call me a retard because of something like guns don't kill people and there's no correlation between overall violent death and gun ownership or whatever. Post a link to a study even. I wish you all would do more of that.

[time4fun]

The difference being parkbandit is just here to shit in his diaper, scream at people and spam them with rep. Time4fun at least engages in conversation like an adult.

Also I play Gemstone.

[Fortybox]

Well....that's like the thing that ties us together isn't it? Playing the game? I don't care that someone wants to post here though. It's free and open to anyone so fuck it. That being said; it is damn strange that PB invests the time and energy he does invest into stalking and trolling people that come here anyway because they're buying a new weapon or asking a question about a profession.

Lots of people post here who no longer play the game. I have posted here during my off periods when I didn't play. Who cares? It's not my point anyways.

My point is the accusation time4fun just made applies to her as well. So it's hypocritical.

[Fortybox]

The difference being parkbandit is just here to shit in his diaper, scream at people and spam them with rep. Time4fun at least engages in conversation like an adult.

Um...nobody engages in conversation on PC like an adult. NOBODY would act the way they do in RL like they do on this forum.

Let's be real here.

[cwolff]

Um...nobody engages in conversation on PC like an adult. NOBODY would act the way they do in RL like they do on this forum.

Let's me real here.

Don't edit this! "Let's me real here" is a bitchin' quote. Very Zen...I think.

[Fortybox]

Forty, I want you guys to post more. Put ideas into the Politics folder and defend them on their merits. Even call me a retard because of something like guns don't kill people and there's no correlation between overall violent death and gun ownership or whatever. Post a link to a study even. I wish you all would do more of that.

I don't do it often because I don't have all that much time nor care to really change opinion on a gaming forum. This is more entertainment for me than anything else.

Yes I voted for Trump. I think it's great he is President. About as far as I really care to go right now because politically, things are going the way I'd like them to go.

[Androidpk]

Um...nobody engages in conversation on PC like an adult. NOBODY would act the way they do in RL like they do on this forum.

Let's me real here.

No, you're full of shit. Most interactions on the PC are fine. Then you have people like parkbandit, methais, and wraithbringer.

[Fortybox]

Don't edit this! "Let's me real here" is a bitchin' quote. Very Zen...I think.

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[Fortybox]

Also I play Gemstone.

It's not a requisite for this forum.

[cwolff]

https://media1.giphy.com/media/dWhHUkuWnGxFK/giphy.gif

You Edited it! Dude, that was awesome.

[Fortybox]

You Edited it! Dude, that was awesome.

Why wouldn't I? Posting from my phone.

[time4fun]

Manafort is at it again. The Hill is reporting (http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/382068-manafort-files-to-suppress-evidence-seized-by-mueller) that he is now challenging some of the evidence Mueller's investigation procured from a storage locker:


Former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort filed a motion late Friday to suppress evidence special counsel Robert Mueller’s team found in a storage locker in Virginia.

Manafort is claiming that Mueller unlawfully had access to the business records in the unit because a former Manafort employer listed on the lease allowed entry. According to Manafort, the employee didn’t have the authority to allow a FBI agent into the unit.

During that visit, agent didn’t seize any records but “entered and observed a number of boxes and a filing cabinet inside the premises, as well as some writing on the sides of some boxes,” according to the filing.


The agent wrote and signed an affidavit in favor of a search of the storage unit the next day, in May 2017, using “information he had obtained during his warrantless search” to argue in favor of a warrant to search and seize documents from the unit, the court documents state.

This appears to have been part of the flurry of subpoenas that Mueller's team got shortly after flipping Gates.

Manafort's legal strategy continues to perplex. He's fighting against a waterfall with a toy bucket.

Though if you look at this as a non-legal, legal strategy it starts to make some sense. He's not trying to win this case- he's stalling.

My best guess on this one is that Manafort does have the closet of smoking guns that Mueller thinks he has (maybe for collusion, or maybe just something unrelated entirely), and he knows that Trump is aware of that fact. He's waiting for Mueller to overplay his hand- get all of the charges out in Federal Court, and then he's counting on Trump for a pardon. Trump can't pardon him too early- any charges that are left off the table can (and will) be picked right back up by the NY AG.

A significant number of his financial crimes are in New York's jurisdiction, but New York specifically has a double jeopardy law on the books. Anything Manafort is pardoned for in Federal Court is officially off limits for the NY AG.

This borders a bit too heavily on conspiracy theory territory for my usual liking, but given how extreme the situation is with Manafort right now- an extreme explanation is increasingly likely.

[Fortybox]

Manafort is at it again. The Hill is reporting (http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/382068-manafort-files-to-suppress-evidence-seized-by-mueller) that he is now challenging some of the evidence Mueller's investigation procured from a storage locker:



This appears to have been part of the flurry of subpoenas that Mueller's team got shortly after flipping Gates.

Manafort's legal strategy continues to perplex. He's fighting against a waterfall with a toy bucket.

Though if you look at this as a non-legal, legal strategy it starts to make some sense. He's not trying to win this case- he's stalling.

My best guess on this one is that Manafort does have the closet of smoking guns that Mueller thinks he has (maybe for collusion, or maybe just something unrelated entirely), and he knows that Trump is aware of that fact. He's waiting for Mueller to overplay his hand- get all of the charges out in Federal Court, and then he's counting on Trump for a pardon. Trump can't pardon him too early- any charges that are left off the table can (and will) be picked right back up by the NY AG.

A significant number of his financial crimes are in New York's jurisdiction, but New York specifically has a double jeopardy law on the books. Anything Manafort is pardoned for in Federal Court is officially off limits for the NY AG.

This borders a bit too heavily on conspiracy theory territory for my usual liking, but given how extreme the situation is with Manafort right now- an extreme explanation is increasingly likely.

Or it could be that Manafort is using the legal process to argue that the agent violated his 4th amendment rights. I know you think those amendments are so silly and sooooo out of date but thankfully our legal system still upholds them.

[cwolff]

Or it could be that Manafort is using the legal process to argue that the agent violated his 4th amendment rights. I know you think those amendments are so silly and sooooo out of date but thankfully our legal system still upholds them.

If these rights were sacred then trump supporters would kick him in the balls for attacking journalism and protesting athletes the way he does. I've also never seen jacked up pick ups flying the Molon Labe flag out there protesting DUI checkpoints. Manafort is clutching at straws here. I believe his tenant or someone let the FBI into the shed?

[time4fun]

If these rights were sacred then trump supporters would kick him in the balls for attacking journalism and protesting athletes the way he does. I've also never seen jacked up pick ups flying the Molon Labe flag out there protesting DUI checkpoints. Manafort is clutching at straws here. I believe his tenant or someone let the FBI into the shed?

I think the issue here is that Forty- like most of the conservative kids of PC- doesn't actually follow this very closely and isn't aware of all of the other doomed-to-fail legal maneuvers Manafort has attempted to continue to delay his court date.

[Fortybox]

If these rights were sacred then trump supporters would kick him in the balls for attacking journalism and protesting athletes the way he does. I've also never seen jacked up pick ups flying the Molon Labe flag out there protesting DUI checkpoints. Manafort is clutching at straws here. I believe his tenant or someone let the FBI into the shed?

Then the legal argument and strategy will fall flat on its face. That's why there is a legal process.

And it's troubling you give a conditional statement about whether or not the rights are sacred. The 4th amendment is extremely important but it's not surprising to me that liberals such as yourself want to dismantle that one too. There's no IF about that in my book.

[Fortybox]

I think the issue here is that Forty- like most of the conservative kids of PC- doesn't actually follow this very closely and isn't aware of all of the other doomed-to-fail legal maneuvers Manafort has attempted to continue to delay his court date.

He is entitled to the process. If the agent violated his 4th amendment right he has every right and opportunity to challenge it in court.

Mueller is doing the same thing. He is stretching the process out as much as possible for the midterms.

[cwolff]

Then the legal argument and strategy will fall flat on its face. That's why there is a legal process.

And it's troubling you give a conditional statement about whether or not the rights are sacred. The 4th amendment is extremely important but it's not surprising to me that liberals such as yourself want to dismantle that one too. There's no IF about that in my book.

The rights have all been "dismantled" then (except for quartering troops perhaps). Same problem as the bible. If they were divine rights then we'd all agree on what they mean and wouldn't need a court to ponder on the meanings. That's beside the point though. Manafort should vigorously defend himself. He should fight the evidence and the government. I think he'll lose and I'm rooting against him.

[Androidpk]

Mueller is doing the same thing. He is stretching the process out as much as possible for the midterms.

The investigation is moving at a rapid pace, especially compared to previous special counsel investigations.

[cwolff]

I don't think he's stretching. I agree with Gingrich and the Republicans. Mueller is gonna call balls and strikes. Besides, it's not even up to him to release anything about trump. If Rosenstein gets the report in Oct. they can leak that trump's a crook, trump's exonerated or they can actually release the report. Both sides can play it anyway they want and if it does exonerate trump the GOP will benefit greatly in elections.

[Androidpk]

Really curious as to what Mueller got in the March raid that's got Manafort so spooked.

[Androidpk]

I don't think he's stretching. I agree with Gingrich and the Republicans. Mueller is gonna call balls and strikes. Besides, it's not even up to him to release anything about trump. If Rosenstein gets the report in Oct. they can leak that trump's a crook, trump's exonerated or they can actually release the report. Both sides can play it anyway they want and if it does exonerate trump the GOP will benefit greatly in elections.

Yes technically it's up to Rosenstein but from what I gather Mueller could force his hand. If he were to recommend charges against Trump that weren't allowed, Rosenstein would be required to brief Congress.

[Fortybox]

The investigation is moving at a rapid pace, especially compared to previous special counsel investigations.

I don't believe that for a minute. Information on the investigation will be strategically released to maximize every opportunity to diminish support for the GOP during the midterm elections.

[cwolff]

Really curious as to what Mueller got in the March raid that's got Manafort so spooked.

I try not to get my hopes up. IMO it's just lawyers being lawyers. I hope it's some real solid evidence though.


Yes technically it's up to Rosenstein but from what I gather Mueller could force his hand. If he were to recommend charges against Trump that weren't allowed, Rosenstein would be required to brief Congress.

Ya, dems and republicans. They'll leak/spin it before they even get out of the briefing room.


I don't believe that for a minute. Information on the investigation will be strategically released to maximize every opportunity to diminish support for the GOP during the midterm elections.

What changed? Mueller was "the man" there for a while. All the GOP sang his praises as a straight shooter. He's not been doing press conferences or leaking. Why now do the republicans attack him and the FBI so much?

[Parkbandit]

lol, you can't even answer a simple question without flipping the fuck out. https://s16-us2.startpage.com/cgi-bin/serveimage?url=http:%2F%2Fwww.gifbin.com%2Fbin%2F0 62010%2F1275905143_raging-midget.gif

Sorry I upset you.

You'll be ok.

[Parkbandit]

know what's really fucked up? This dude PB can probably own guns.

I do.

I own many, many guns.

[Fortybox]

I try not to get my hopes up. IMO it's just lawyers being lawyers. I hope it's some real solid evidence though.



Ya, dems and republicans. They'll leak/spin it before they even get out of the briefing room.



What changed? Mueller was "the man" there for a while. All the GOP sang his praises as a straight shooter. He's not been doing press conferences or leaking. Why now do the republicans attack him and the FBI so much?

Because it's all part of the game. Like I've said before, I voted for Trump but I'm not a Republican. I'm an independent. I thought he was the best option of the bunch I had to choose from.

Do you believe Hillary was less corrupt?

[Parkbandit]

He's not upset PK. He's totally in control of his emotions.

The fact that he's posting in all caps and insults, and the fact that he spends his days picking fights in a forum dedicated to a game he hasn't played in years is a sign of his emotional control. (Actually I'm serious about that last part)

What does not playing the game have ANYTHING to do with the political folder here?

You're STILL upset about a red rep I gave you 3 days before Christmas.. and after 11/8/16, you should be the very last person to lecture anyone about emotions.

I know, I know.. you were on your period that night too.....

PS - I know this is going to be more than 3 posts in a row... don't get upset by it.

[Androidpk]

I don't believe that for a minute. Information on the investigation will be strategically released to maximize every opportunity to diminish support for the GOP during the midterm elections.

All you have to do is look up previous investigations and look at their timelines. As for midterm elections GOP are already doing everything they can to make sure they lose bigly.

[Parkbandit]

Speaks volumes about the type of person he is. Sad.

A far better person than you, that is for certain.

I've never had to have a friend let me stay with them because I was down on my luck.

I've never slept with a married woman, then stolen her account to sell her stuff.

I've never had to work at Goodwill.

I've never stayed inside for weeks on end.

And I have most certainly never, ever complained that a girl was masturbating too loudly.

[time4fun]

Yes technically it's up to Rosenstein but from what I gather Mueller could force his hand. If he were to recommend charges against Trump that weren't allowed, Rosenstein would be required to brief Congress.

But honestly, if the WaPo reporting is to be believed- Rosenstein and Mueller already have a plan as far as all of this goes.

[cwolff]

Because it's all part of the game. Like I've said before, I voted for Trump but I'm not a Republican. I'm an independent. I thought he was the best option of the bunch I had to choose from.

Do you believe Hillary was less corrupt?

Yes. It's not even close.

[Parkbandit]

THAT'S IT GUYS THE JIG IS UP BETTER NOT POST ANYMORE IN THE POLITICS SECTION OF A GAMING FORUM

Well, you can, but you can only post if you still play a 20 year old text based roleplaying game.

[time4fun]

I see "Not Upset PB" just posted 4 times in a row. (Edited- make that 5)

Does anyone know his birthday? Maybe we can all chip in on anger management classes?

[Fortybox]

All you have to do is look up previous investigations and look at their timelines. As for midterm elections GOP are already doing everything they can to make sure they lose bigly.

Well I'm furious with what the GOP has done so far but I don't put blame on Trump. I think Ryan and McConnell need to go. That said, tax cuts are in effect (which is positive) and hopefully most Americans won't be affected by the next recession to hit (later this year or early 2019).

[cwolff]

I see "Not Upset PB" just posted 4 times in a row.

Does anyone know his birthday? Maybe we can all chip in on anger management classes?

We should connect him with Latrin who can teach the old dog how to use the multi-quote button.

Latrinsorm, Can you DM him about that? Paste some instructions maybe?

[Androidpk]

PB still thinks he makes people upset. Dude, you're the laughing stock of the GS community.

[Fortybox]

Yes. It's not even close.

We'd never be in agreement then. Oh well, my candidate won. I guess we'll see what happens next.

[Androidpk]

Well I'm furious with what the GOP has done so far but I don't put blame on Trump. I think Ryan and McConnell need to go. That said, tax cuts are in effect (which is positive) and hopefully most Americans won't be affected by the next recession to hit (later this year or early 2019).

Both Trump and the GOP leadership are to blame. I don't know about the Senate but it's highly likely the Dems will take the House.

[Parkbandit]

If these rights were sacred then trump supporters would kick him in the balls for attacking journalism and protesting athletes the way he does. I've also never seen jacked up pick ups flying the Molon Labe flag out there protesting DUI checkpoints. Manafort is clutching at straws here. I believe his tenant or someone let the FBI into the shed?

Not sure you understand what amendments are and what a legal system is.

[Fortybox]

I see "Not Upset PB" just posted 4 times in a row. (Edited- make that 5)

Does anyone know his birthday? Maybe we can all chip in on anger management classes?

Considering he had a lot of people addressing him in previous posts, it makes sense that he'd reply. You're not very good at this are you? It's also hypocritical of you too.

[Parkbandit]

I see "Not Upset PB" just posted 4 times in a row. (Edited- make that 5)

Does anyone know his birthday? Maybe we can all chip in on anger management classes?

I just gave you a red rep 6 days after Easter.

I'm sure we're going to hear about it for another 5-6 months.

[Fortybox]

PB still thinks he makes people upset. Dude, you're the laughing stock of the GS community.

Um, the fact that time4fun came back after calling this forum and the people in it a bunch of meanie heads and contends with PB in a daily battle of posts does show that he made her upset.

[Parkbandit]

PB still thinks he makes people upset. Dude, you're the laughing stock of the GS community.

No one is laughed at more than you kid.

How long has it been since you have seen anything outside your room?

[Parkbandit]

Um, the fact that time4fun came back after calling this forum and the people in it a bunch of meanie heads and contends with PB in a daily battle of posts does show that he made her upset.

No, no, no.. time4fun is in full control of her emotions.

This is evidenced on how she handled the defeat of Hillary Clinton on 11/8/16.

She handled it like an adult...

[time4fun]

Both Trump and the GOP leadership are to blame. I don't know about the Senate but it's highly likely the Dems will take the House.

The recent poll for Corker's seat has added a glimmer of hope for the Dems. Also, there's an increasing chance that McCain will end up retiring, and AZ is definitely in purple territory right now. Add to that the fact that the GOP nominee in West Virginia may be that crazy guy who just got out of jail, and you've got a moonshot chance here.

None of these are things I would take to the bank- the Dems are still going to be lucky to break even. But...things are shifting pretty rapidly right now.

A Mueller report pre-election in either direction is likely to energize the GOP base though. That's a potentially significant X factor that no one is really accounting for right now.

[Androidpk]

Um, the fact that time4fun came back after calling this forum and the people in it a bunch of meanie heads and contends with PB in a daily battle of posts does show that he made her upset.

As opposed to pb talking about time4fun non-stop (and leaving her rep) while she wasn't even here. Sounds like he's the far bigger snowflake.

[Androidpk]

No one is laughed at more than you kid.

How long has it been since you have seen anything outside your room?

rage some more

[cwolff]

Because it's all part of the game. Like I've said before, I voted for Trump but I'm not a Republican. I'm an independent. I thought he was the best option of the bunch I had to choose from.

Do you believe Hillary was less corrupt?


The recent poll for Corker's seat has added a glimmer of hope for the Dems. Also, there's an increasing chance that McCain will end up retiring, and AZ is definitely in purple territory right now. Add to that the fact that the GOP nominee in West Virginia may be that crazy guy who just got out of jail, and you've got a moonshot chance here.

None of these are things I would take to the bank- the Dems are still going to be lucky to break even. But...things are shifting pretty rapidly right now.

If dems win it'll be in spite of ourselves. Dem messaging is embarrassing. I always admired Cheney and Rove for the ruthless effectiveness they brought to politics. Dems need to get some of that.

[Parkbandit]

Considering he had a lot of people addressing him in previous posts, it makes sense that he'd reply. You're not very good at this are you? It's also hypocritical of you too.

You're going to be accused of white knighting soon. Knock it off.

I only have room for one white knight in my life...

Fuck.. what's the deal with uploading images here? It locks up.

<<Insert Tisket the White Knight>>

[Fortybox]

Both Trump and the GOP leadership are to blame. I don't know about the Senate but it's highly likely the Dems will take the House.

I think people are sick of the crap. California is the poverty capital of the nation. There's a good chance a Republican governor will be elected this year.

I think a lot of people are seeing that liberal policies bring disaster and don't work. Perhaps they may not see themselves as Republicans but they may vote that way to get something new/different.

[time4fun]

If dems win it'll be in spite of ourselves. Dem messaging is embarrassing. I always admired Cheney and Rove for the ruthless effectiveness they brought to politics. Dems need to get some of that.

I don't think Dem messaging is inherently problematic. I think that when there's someone like Trump in office- it sucks up all of the oxygen in the room.

When you're the minority party, it's already really hard to get any air time for your message, and when you add in an orange scandal machine- it just compounds the effect.

[Fortybox]

No, no, no.. time4fun is in full control of her emotions.

This is evidenced on how she handled the defeat of Hillary Clinton on 11/8/16.

She handled it like an adult...

Yeah, the world was going to end.

Instead, because of Trump, she is doing extremely well. We basically have to hear how wonderful her life is everyday on lnet. She is even doing so well from the tax cuts that she is funding the ACLU (really, she said that)!

[Parkbandit]

rage some more

Sorry.. I honestly only have pity for you. No other emotion.

More pity that actually fall for your bullshit, but I still have only pity for you.

Seriously though, if you need a couple dollars to get you through the day, PM me the address you're at this week and I'll see if I can get around to sending you some.

[Fortybox]

As opposed to pb talking about time4fun non-stop (and leaving her rep) while she wasn't even here. Sounds like he's the far bigger snowflake.

Why? It's funny. I find her antics amusing and think she is the biggest hypocrite out there.

[Androidpk]

California is the poverty capital of the nation.

Says who?

[Ashliana]

You being so upset over the rep comments I left you makes me so happy. Mission Accomplished.

Thank you.

:rofl: Example #4 this week of your third grade level reading comprehension.

You being revealed as deranged, obsessive and bigoted doesn't equal me, or anyone else, being upset by those comments. You, on the other hand, were quite clearly upset by being exposed (as you desperately tried to play off in the repageddon thread), or you wouldn't have altered your subsequent behavior, even if the demented and obsessive behavior continues.


Also, I love how you blame your stupidity for agreeing with your own post on another login. Are you suggesting that you were just going to agree with yourself? It wasn't a fuck up.. it was an intentional attempt to give yourself support, which is beyond pathetic, bordering on psychotic.

And there's #5. You're on a roll. Yikes. I know you're super desperate after being embarrassed here, but either you literally can't remember a moment you've spent 9 1/2 years jerking off to, or you had a brain aneurysm while writing that sentence. Yes, misquoting myself was clearly a fuckup. I didn't just randomly announce "BTW, that's me!"

The best you've got is that I, in 2008 -- in my early 20s -- created another account for auctions, then screwed around in like two politics threads over a course of a few days. You, as a 40/50+ year old, over the course of a decade, obsessively sent other men bigoted, angrily sexualized comments on a daily/weekly basis, obsessively, as fast as the rep system would allow. You literally spent hours and hours and hours over the course of that period doing this. You're still doing it. You left Time - who hasn't even been posting - how many messages?

Nobody's forgotten your festering mental illness that thread exposed. You badly need psychiatric care.

[cwolff]

I think people are sick of the crap. California is the poverty capital of the nation. There's a good chance a Republican governor will be elected this year.

I think a lot of people are seeing that liberal policies bring disaster and don't work. Perhaps they may not see themselves as Republicans but they may vote that way to get something new/different.

CA is doing pretty good. It's effectively a nation on the global scale of things.

Liberal policies seem to be holding up pretty well. Kansas, Wisconsin, Mississippi are all fucked because they ran the conservative experiment, the deep red south is like the 3rd world and our national debt is growing bigly under trump.

[Parkbandit]

Yeah, the world was going to end.

Instead, because of Trump, she is doing extremely well. We basically have to hear how wonderful her life is everyday on lnet. She is even doing so well from the tax cuts that she is funding the ACLU (really, she said that)!

She can probably single handedly fund the ACLU since she's richer than everyone here combined.

You people need to copy/paste that shit from lnet. I can update the topic for her to keep track of all her stories.

[Androidpk]

Sorry.. I honestly only have pity for you. No other emotion.

More pity that actually fall for your bullshit, but I still have only pity for you.

Seriously though, if you need a couple dollars to get you through the day, PM me the address you're at this week and I'll see if I can get around to sending you some.

keep raging, we'll keep laughing

[Ashliana]

keep raging, we'll keep laughing

WHY WON'T YOU ACKNOWLEDGE HOW UPSET I'M NOT!?
-Parkbandit

[time4fun]

No one is laughed at more than you kid.

How long has it been since you have seen anything outside your room?

You have this tell when you're doing something embarrassing. Specifically you accuse someone else of being/doing that exact thing you are busy being/doing. The statement you just made is...ironic in a way that evokes pity.

And look- if you want to prove to everyone here that you're more than just an anger machine raging out on a forum he doesn't even belong in...try posting like an adult in here, on-topic, and have an intellectual debate. Get passionate about the issues, not the personal insults.

Stop and think about this for a second. What does it say about someone- anyone- who finds following those guidelines both impossible and fundamentally uninteresting?

Do you really think anyone here sits around and says to themselves- "That PB's posts demonstrate that he's both thoughtful and mature. He adds a lot of value to this discussion, and it's clear he's knowledgeable and intellectually curious"?

They don't. They mostly go back and forth between varying levels of pity for you.

[Parkbandit]

:rofl: Example #4 this week of your third grade level reading comprehension.

You being revealed as deranged, obsessive and bigoted doesn't equal me, or anyone else, being upset by those comments. You, on the other hand, were quite clearly upset by being exposed (as you desperately tried to play off in the repageddon thread), or you wouldn't have altered your subsequent behavior, even if the demented and obsessive behavior continues.



And there's #5. You're on a roll. Yikes. I know you're super desperate after being embarrassed here, but either you literally can't remember a moment you've spent 9 1/2 years jerking off to, or you had a brain aneurysm while writing that sentence. Yes, misquoting myself was clearly a fuckup. I didn't just randomly announce "BTW, that's me!"

The best you've got is that I, in 2008 -- in my early 20s -- created another account for auctions, then screwed around in like two politics threads over a course of a few days. You, as a 40/50+ year old, over the course of a decade, obsessively sent other men bigoted, angrily sexualized comments on a daily/weekly basis, obsessively, as fast as the rep system would allow. You literally spent hours and hours and hours over the course of that period doing this. You're still doing it. You left Time - who hasn't even been posting - how many messages?

Nobody's forgotten your festering mental illness that thread exposed. You badly need psychiatric care.

You still sound very upset.

Were you more upset about the queer red rep I gave you, or the grey old man rep you gave me?

Sorry you don't see the hypocrisy in it...

[Fortybox]

Says who?

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-jackson-california-poverty-20180114-story.html

[Ashliana]

You still sound very upset.

Were you more upset about the queer red rep I gave you, or the grey old man rep you gave me?

Sorry you don't see the hypocrisy in it...

Has the Alzheimer's kicked in already?

[time4fun]

WHY WON'T YOU ACKNOWLEDGE HOW UPSET I'M NOT!?
-Parkbandit

This actually made me laugh out loud

[Fortybox]

You have this tell when you're doing something embarrassing. Specifically you accuse someone else of being/doing that exact thing you are busy being/doing. The statement you just made is...ironic in a way that evokes pity.

And look- if you want to prove to everyone here that you're more than just an anger machine raging out on a forum he doesn't even belong in...try posting like an adult in here, on-topic, and have an intellectual debate. Get passionate about the issues, not the personal insults.

Stop and think about this for a second. What does it say about someone- anyone- who finds following those guidelines both impossible and fundamentally uninteresting?

Do you really think anyone here sits around and says to themselves- "That PB's posts demonstrate that he's both thoughtful and mature. He adds a lot of value to this discussion, and it's clear he's knowledgeable and intellectually curious"?

They don't. They mostly go back and forth between varying levels of pity for you.

First, take your advice and don't personally insult people's intelligence. You do that all the time.

Second, playing Gemstone is NOT a requisite for the forum.

That is all.

[Parkbandit]

You have this tell when you're doing something embarrassing. Specifically you accuse someone else of being/doing that exactly thing you are busy being/doing. The statement you just made is...ironic in a way that evokes a sense of pity for you.

Actually, I am outside quite often. The "anything outside your room" came from an exchange with diethx (the girl he conned into staying with him) and Androidpk where diethx said he never left her apartment for weeks on end.


And look- if you want to prove to everyone here that you're more than just an anger machine raging out on a forum he doesn't even belong in...try posting like an adult in here, on-topic, and have an intellectual debate. Get passionate about the issues, not the personal insults.

So before, I was just upset. Now I'm angry? You aren't good at this. At all.

Seriously, given your posting history on this forum.. the very LAST thing you should EVER post about is emotions.


Stop and think about this for a second. What does it say about someone- anyone- who finds following those guidelines both impossible and fundamentally uninteresting?

Last time I checked... you left the forums to go elsewhere out of "obligation" but when that didn't work out, you came crawling back here. Seems like you are interested in my conversations, given you constantly replying to them?


Do you really think anyone here sits around and says to themselves- "That PB's posts demonstrate that he's both thoughtful and mature. He adds a lot of value to this discussion, and it's clear he's knowledgeable and intellectually curious"?

They don't. They mostly go back and forth between varying levels of pity for you.

Do you believe anyone believes you add anything intelligent to the conversation? You're kidding yourself. Even most liberals consider you a fucking lunatic and skip over your posts.

You don't bring anything to the conversation that we can't find on moveon.org or another liberal rag site.

Constant rage against Trump because Hillary lost isn't hip or cool.. it's boring. Sorry.

[Parkbandit]

Has the Alzheimer's kicked in already?

You still have that persistent diarrhea from HiV?

[Parkbandit]

keep raging, we'll keep laughing

I was serious.

I only feel pity for you :(

[Ashliana]

You still have that persistent diarrhea from HiV?

... Yeah. There's that whole thing where what I say actually applies to you, based on what you're saying, and what you say to me almost always has absolutely no correlation with anything else. Best of luck dealing with that dementia, though.

[Parkbandit]

Dear 3 Stooges:

I'm going to bed now.

Don't mistake my lack of responding to you as I'm angry, upset, raging, etc.... I'm literally just going to bed.

I won't be thinking about you.

At all.

Sorry :(

I'll catch up to you in the morning after I walk my dog. :)

[Ashliana]

Dear 3 Stooges:

I'm going to bed now.

Don't mistake my lack of responding to you as I'm angry, upset, raging, etc.... I'm literally just going to bed.

I won't be thinking about you.

At all.

Sorry :(

I'll catch up to you in the morning after I walk my dog. :)

"LOOK AT HOW MUCH I'M NOT THINKING ABOUT YOU!" -- Parkbandit, the guy who's spent 10+ years leaving bigoted, angrily sexualized messages to strangers on the Internet, as fast as he can.

[Fortybox]

"LOOK AT HOW MUCH I'M NOT THINKING ABOUT YOU!" -- Parkbandit, the guy who's spent 10+ years leaving bigoted, angrily sexualized messages to strangers on the Internet, as fast as he can.

Are you Flimbo?

[Androidpk]

Actually, I am outside quite often. The "anything outside your room" came from an exchange with diethx (the girl he conned into staying with him) and Androidpk where diethx said he never left her apartment for weeks on end.


Now I conned her? Jesus dude, just show us on the doll where I touched you. :lol2:

[time4fun]

You still have that persistent diarrhea from HiV?

Jesus.

You know, I think we all have fundamentally understood that you have had some emotional issues that you've been working through on these forums for years. But, tonight is actually the first time I realized- you actually can't help yourself. I don't mean that in an accusing way- I mean that in a very sincere, apologetic, way.

I'm writing to a grown man who is typing in all caps and saying things like, "You still have that persistent diarrhea from HiV?", who has currently picked a fight with no fewer than 4 people in a thread because they said something he didn't agree with, and who is accusing everyone around him of being out of control- while posting 12-15 times an hour.

And he's doing it in a forum for a game he hasn't played in years. A forum with a rep system that he has spent an inordinate amount of time learning to manipulate in order to punish people who make him feel lesser in any way- less intelligent, less knowledgeable, less reasonable, less successful, etc.


And this grown man finds these slights- intentional or not- from complete strangers to be so painful that the punishment lasts for months- even after he thinks someone is gone. It enrages him, and he cannot help himself after that. He has to "even the score", prove to himself that these other people who make him feel lesser are actually the ones who are lesser. That doesn't make you a bad person. It just makes you ill. And that means that pushing back on you is actually the equivalent of judging someone who is autistic for not making eye contact. It's cruel.

And for my part, I'm sorry. I hope that you do get some help at some point, or, at least, that this forum provides you with the outlet you need to keep yourself from pouring this rage and pain into your real relationships. And I will do my best to stop putting you in positions that trigger a compulsive set of behaviors that you can't control.

Because I'm realizing tonight that your behavior isn't unfair towards others- it's an unfair reality you're forced to live with.

And I would encourage others to recognize the same and to treat you with some more compassion.

[cwolff]

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-jackson-california-poverty-20180114-story.html

This article surprised me so I googled it. Politifact (http://www.politifact.com/california/statements/2017/jan/20/chad-mayes/true-california-has-nations-highest-poverty-rate-w/) gives it a solid TRUE – The statement is accurate and there’s nothing significant missing.


"If you look at the official poverty measure in California, we’re about average with the rest of the country," Mayes said. "But if you use the supplemental poverty measure, we are in the lead. We have the highest poverty rate in the nation -- higher than New Mexico, higher than any of the southern states, Louisiana, Alabama, higher than Idaho."
...
"I think Assemblymember Mayes’ comments are accurate," said Chris Hoene, executive director of the left-leaning California Budget Policy Center, which has closely studied poverty in the state.
Hoene said the high poverty rate in the supplemental report is driven by California’s stratospheric housing costs. He added that use of the supplemental measure has gained wide acceptance among researchers.
"I think in most quarters, that’s not disputed," he said.
Marybeth Mattingly, a researcher at the Stanford Center on Poverty and Inequality added by email: "Basically, yes, this statement is (sadly) accurate."

That hits me right in my politics. I'm running into the same shit here in Denver though. Housing prices are going up fast. One house in my neighborhood sold at 381k last year. It could do 430k this year. Between that and the stock market, it feels like that next recession is indeed just around the corner. I wanted to buy a house last year and was appalled at the prices but ended up breaking my leg at work and was on workers comp in the few months before my apt. lease expired, so I re-upped the lease for 1 year. Now I'm stressing about buying this year and getting in to a property at the peak of the bubble


Well I'm furious with what the GOP has done so far but I don't put blame on Trump. I think Ryan and McConnell need to go. That said, tax cuts are in effect (which is positive) and hopefully most Americans won't be affected by the next recession to hit (later this year or early 2019).

[Parkbandit]

Jesus.

You know, I think we all have fundamentally understood that you have had some emotional issues that you've been working through on these forums for years. But, tonight is actually the first time I realized- you actually can't help yourself. I don't mean that in an accusing way- I mean that in a very sincere, apologetic, way.

I'm writing to a grown man who is typing in all caps and saying things like, "You still have that persistent diarrhea from HiV?", who has currently picked a fight with no fewer than 4 people in a thread because they said something he didn't agree with, and who is accusing everyone around him of being out of control- while posting 12-15 times an hour.

And he's doing it in a forum for a game he hasn't played in years. A forum with a rep system that he has spent an inordinate amount of time learning to manipulate in order to punish people who make him feel lesser in any way- less intelligent, less knowledgeable, less reasonable, less successful, etc.


And this grown man finds these slights- intentional or not- from complete strangers to be so painful that the punishment lasts for months- even after he thinks someone is gone. It enrages him, and he cannot help himself after that. He has to "even the score", prove to himself that these other people who make him feel lesser are actually the ones who are lesser. That doesn't make you a bad person. It just makes you ill. And that means that pushing back on you is actually the equivalent of judging someone who is autistic for not making eye contact. It's cruel.

And for my part, I'm sorry. I hope that you do get some help at some point, or, at least, that this forum provides you with the outlet you need to keep yourself from pouring this rage and pain into your real relationships. And I will do my best to stop putting you in positions that trigger a compulsive set of behaviors that you can't control.

Because I'm realizing tonight that your behavior isn't unfair towards others- it's an unfair reality you're forced to live with.

And I would encourage others to recognize the same and to treat you with some more compassion.


If you were really serious about helping me, I think the best step in my rehabilitation would be for you to stop posting on the Internet.

I have a very serious condition known as Stultusitis. Without your help and assistance, I doubt I will ever be rid of this problem.

Thank you for your understanding, compassion and cooperation while I deal with this.

[Methais]

know what's really fucked up? This dude PB can probably own guns.

Do you think he’s going to go on a shooting spree because he says mean things to you on a text game forum?

[Methais]

Yeah, the world was going to end.

Instead, because of Trump, she is doing extremely well. We basically have to hear how wonderful her life is everyday on lnet. She is even doing so well from the tax cuts that she is funding the ACLU (really, she said that)!

I bet she donated like $10, therefore she’s bankrolling them now.

I like how they’re still clinging onto “You made X posts in a row that means you’re soooooo mad!”

Like most things in life that involve not being a bitter cunt, the joke is sailing way over her head.

[Methais]

"LOOK AT HOW MUCH I'M NOT THINKING ABOUT YOU!" -- Parkbandit, the guy who's spent 10+ years leaving bigoted, angrily sexualized messages to strangers on the Internet, as fast as he can.

Serious question...how much time do you think it takes to leave rep? You sound like it takes you several minutes to leave one rep. How long does it take you to leave rep?


Jesus.

You know, I think we all have fundamentally understood that you have had some emotional issues that you've been working through on these forums for years. But, tonight is actually the first time I realized- you actually can't help yourself. I don't mean that in an accusing way- I mean that in a very sincere, apologetic, way.

I'm writing to a grown man who is typing in all caps and saying things like, "You still have that persistent diarrhea from HiV?", who has currently picked a fight with no fewer than 4 people in a thread because they said something he didn't agree with, and who is accusing everyone around him of being out of control- while posting 12-15 times an hour.

And he's doing it in a forum for a game he hasn't played in years. A forum with a rep system that he has spent an inordinate amount of time learning to manipulate in order to punish people who make him feel lesser in any way- less intelligent, less knowledgeable, less reasonable, less successful, etc.


And this grown man finds these slights- intentional or not- from complete strangers to be so painful that the punishment lasts for months- even after he thinks someone is gone. It enrages him, and he cannot help himself after that. He has to "even the score", prove to himself that these other people who make him feel lesser are actually the ones who are lesser. That doesn't make you a bad person. It just makes you ill. And that means that pushing back on you is actually the equivalent of judging someone who is autistic for not making eye contact. It's cruel.

And for my part, I'm sorry. I hope that you do get some help at some point, or, at least, that this forum provides you with the outlet you need to keep yourself from pouring this rage and pain into your real relationships. And I will do my best to stop putting you in positions that trigger a compulsive set of behaviors that you can't control.

Because I'm realizing tonight that your behavior isn't unfair towards others- it's an unfair reality you're forced to live with.

And I would encourage others to recognize the same and to treat you with some more compassion.

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/AmusedSlimyAfricanclawedfrog-size_restricted.gif

[Methais]

This is a quadruple post to point out my TRIPLE POST!

According to the PC post police, how mad does this make me?

[Fortybox]

This article surprised me so I googled it. Politifact (http://www.politifact.com/california/statements/2017/jan/20/chad-mayes/true-california-has-nations-highest-poverty-rate-w/) gives it a solid TRUE – The statement is accurate and there’s nothing significant missing.



That hits me right in my politics. I'm running into the same shit here in Denver though. Housing prices are going up fast. One house in my neighborhood sold at 381k last year. It could do 430k this year. Between that and the stock market, it feels like that next recession is indeed just around the corner. I wanted to buy a house last year and was appalled at the prices but ended up breaking my leg at work and was on workers comp in the few months before my apt. lease expired, so I re-upped the lease for 1 year. Now I'm stressing about buying this year and getting in to a property at the peak of the bubble

Sounds like you are renting based on your comments. I wouldn't be buying at this time if it were me but Denver has a lot of good things going for it. Who knows if it really is at the peak - local markets are so different.

[Fortybox]

This is a quadruple post to point out my TRIPLE POST!

According to the PC post police, how mad does this make me?

Well according to time4funz you cannot post multiple times AND not play Gemstone. So you're like super duper mad but not as mad as someone who posts many times and doesn't play Gemstone.

[Parkbandit]

My favorite part of the stupidity is that they are legitimately suffering from Trump Derangement Syndrome and have been for 2 years now. Literally crying about the election results.. like WTF? REALLY?

And NOW all of a sudden, they have control of their emotions and have just been posting and posting and posting about mean President Trump.. and can now offer mental health assessments by counting the number of posts you make in a row.

Holy fuck... just when I thought they can't possibly get any dumber: BOOM... and prove me wrong.

[cwolff]

Sounds like you are renting based on your comments. I wouldn't be buying at this time if it were me but Denver has a lot of good things going for it. Who knows if it really is at the peak - local markets are so different.

Exactly. I hate to buy now but I moved back here purposefully, not a random transfer or anything. We'll probably suck it up, save save save, and be ready to weather the next rainy day

[Parkbandit]

Exactly. I hate to buy now but I moved back here purposefully, not a random transfer or anything. We'll probably suck it, save save save, and be ready to weather the next rainy day

Buy now.

It's sort of a seller's market currently, but the interest rates will be going up. If you can lock in a low interest rate now, you will end up saving money in the long run.. even if you are buying at the top end of the property value.

[Fortybox]

Buy now.

It's sort of a seller's market currently, but the interest rates will be going up. If you can lock in a low interest rate now, you will end up saving money in the long run.. even if you are buying at the top end of the property value.

Good advice...assuming you'll keep your home for awhile. I don't think this upcoming recession is all that big of a deal (not 2008). The one I am worried about is around 2030 with the way demographic trends are heading. Make sure you completely own your home by then.

[Parkbandit]

Good advice...assuming you'll keep your home for awhile. I don't think this upcoming recession is all that big of a deal (not 2008). The one I am worried about is around 2030 with the way demographic trends are heading. Make sure you completely own your home by then.

Very true. I just assumed he was looking for long term housing and not using the house as an investment.

[Fortybox]

Forty knows... he knows!

http://i.imgur.com/Nq8yVh4.gif

It's a mathematical certainty.

[Methais]

Well according to time4funz you cannot post multiple times AND not play Gemstone. So you're like super duper mad but not as mad as someone who posts many times and doesn't play Gemstone.

Does it matter that I wasn’t playing GS at the time I posted? I still play, I just wasn’t actively doing stuff in game at the time, possibly not even logged in.

I wish someone would create a chart that covers all this so we can find out how mad we are when we point out time4stupidity.

[Methais]

My favorite part of the stupidity is that they are legitimately suffering from Trump Derangement Syndrome and have been for 2 years now. Literally crying about the election results.. like WTF? REALLY?

And NOW all of a sudden, they have control of their emotions and have just been posting and posting and posting about mean President Trump.. and can now offer mental health assessments by counting the number of posts you make in a row.

Holy fuck... just when I thought they can't possibly get any dumber: BOOM... and prove me wrong.

The best part is how they think anyone at all outside their circle jerk of WAAAAHHHHHH is taking them seriously and finds them insightful vs. just being massively retarded, + claims of stalking over bringing up dumb shit they’ve said before in this very same thread or leaving rep, which apparently 2 clicks of a mouse takes a very long time for some people on here to do and is very difficult and intensive. lol:

I can’t wait until the day after midterms.

[Fortybox]

Does it matter that I wasn’t playing GS at the time I posted? I still play, I just wasn’t actively doing stuff in game at the time, possibly not even logged in.

I wish someone would create a chart that covers all this so we can find out how mad we are when we point out time4stupidity.

https://media1.giphy.com/media/av1nQt7V11E9a/giphy.gif

[Latrinsorm]

The best part is how they think anyone at all outside their circle jerk of WAAAAHHHHHH is taking them seriously and finds them insightful vs. just being massively retarded, + claims of stalking over bringing up dumb shit they’ve said before in this very same thread or leaving rep, which apparently 2 clicks of a mouse takes a very long time for some people on here to do and is very difficult and intensive. lol:

I can’t wait until the day after midterms.I'm not surprised PB's falling for it, but how do you of all people not know when you're being trolled?

[Androidpk]

Manafort's lawyers are saying the guy who showed the storage unit to the FBI was a low level employee and had no business letting the FBI take a look inside. Turns out that person's name was on the lease. Turns out that person's name was the only name on the lease. Sorry Manafort :/

[time4fun]

Manafort's lawyers are saying the guy who showed the storage unit to the FBI was a low level employee and had no business letting the FBI take a look inside. Turns out that person's name was on the lease. Turns out that person's name was the only name on the lease. Sorry Manafort :/

Yeah, he has a very slim chance of this actually working as a legal argument.

It could well work as a political narrative though. He's basically trying to play off of the whole FBI/Deep State/Abuse of Power thing that Trump's defenders have been trying to create. At this point in time, Manafort's best chance of living life outside of prison is to hope that narrative takes hold- freeing Trump to pardon him.

Mueller is no fool though. I'm increasingly convinced that his early obstruction report is his check mate move. If Mueller lays out a pattern of behavior consistent with obstruction of justice in his report, Manafort will flip shortly after. If not, Trump will be emboldened to shut the investigation down, and he'll pardon Manafort (and anyone else he wants).

[Wrathbringer]

OMGOMGOMG GUYS!!!! GUYS!!!!!! THIS IS IT!!111 FINALLY AFTER ALL THESE OTHER TIMES OF BEING IT THIS IS ACTUALLY IT!!111 IT'S HEATING UP NOW GUYS!!!11

[Fortybox]

OMGOMGOMG GUYS!!!! GUYS!!!!!! THIS IS IT!!111 FINALLY AFTER ALL THESE OTHER TIMES OF BEING IT THIS IS ACTUALLY IT!!111 IT'S HEATING UP NOW GUYS!!!11

https://media.giphy.com/media/9Dw95n3X406Ag/giphy.gif

[cwolff]

Manafort's lawyers are saying the guy who showed the storage unit to the FBI was a low level employee and had no business letting the FBI take a look inside. Turns out that person's name was on the lease. Turns out that person's name was the only name on the lease. Sorry Manafort :/

Was he just a bagel guy? Or maybe he was to manafort what manafort was to trump; just a low level dude who was only there for a short time? LOL. These fucks have no shame. Straight up lying. I don't even blame them because their followers love it. They dig trumps lie and eat it up.

[time4fun]

Was he just a bagel guy? Or maybe he was to manafort what manafort was to trump; just a low level dude who was only there for a short time? LOL. These fucks have no shame. Straight up lying. I don't even blame them because their followers love it. They dig trumps lie and eat it up.

Yeah, it's become a VERY predictable response. My boyfriend and I have a running joke about how hard it is to find good interns these days every time someone from his campaign gets indicted or ends up being caught knee deep in the GRU.

[time4fun]

Nothing surprising here, but Christopher Wylie is going to be meeting with Mueller (http://www.businessinsider.com/ap-ex-cambridge-analytica-employee-to-cooperate-with-doj-probe-2018-4):


Wylie tells NBC's "Meet the Press" that he plans to meet with "both Congressional investigations and also law enforcement and the Department of Justice." Democrats on a House Intelligence Panel have previously said they would interview Wylie.

Special counsel Robert Mueller was appointed by the Justice Department to run the election probe and has been scrutinizing connections between Cambridge Analytica and Trump's Republican campaign.



Honestly, if they need him to provide evidence that the Trump campaign misused that data then this is going to be a tough climb. He needs someone else to whistleblow with some hard evidence at this point, and Wylie has been clear that he doesn't have it.

Though it's always possible Bannon will cooperate and provide testimony for it- which means they would use Wylie as a corroborating witness.

There's an equal possibility that the data wasn't used for the Trump campaign, or that what they did isn't actually illegal. The case law for the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act is really fuzzy on this, and honestly there are very good reasons not to try to convince the Courts to apply the CFAA to civilian situations like this. (Or suddenly sharing passwords is potentially a felony). This is REALLY not my area though- so there may be other laws that could more clearly apply to this situation that I'm not aware of.

[Parkbandit]

Yeah, it's become a VERY predictable response. My boyfriend and I have a running joke about how hard it is

https://m.popkey.co/e528fb/l4bN_f-maxage-0_s-200x150.gif

[~Rocktar~]

OMGOMGOMG GUYS!!!! GUYS!!!!!! THIS IS IT!!111 FINALLY AFTER ALL THESE OTHER TIMES OF BEING IT THIS IS ACTUALLY IT!!111 IT'S HEATING UP NOW GUYS!!!11

Really getting hot now.


https://youtu.be/OUISmCzLPTA

[Androidpk]

Nothing surprising here, but Christopher Wylie is going to be meeting with Mueller (http://www.businessinsider.com/ap-ex-cambridge-analytica-employee-to-cooperate-with-doj-probe-2018-4):



Honestly, if they need him to provide evidence that the Trump campaign misused that data then this is going to be a tough climb. He needs someone else to whistleblow with some hard evidence at this point, and Wylie has been clear that he doesn't have it.

Though it's always possible Bannon will cooperate and provide testimony for it- which means they would use Wylie as a corroborating witness.

There's an equal possibility that the data wasn't used for the Trump campaign, or that what they did isn't actually illegal. The case law for the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act is really fuzzy on this, and honestly there are very good reasons not to try to convince the Courts to apply the CFAA to civilian situations like this. (Or suddenly sharing passwords is potentially a felony). This is REALLY not my area though- so there may be other laws that could more clearly apply to this situation that I'm not aware of.

Would be nice to know what Bannon and Mueller talked about during his deposition.

[Methais]

My boyfriend and I have a running joke about how hard it is to find a guy like him that will let me do things to him like this:

https://media1.tenor.com/images/d35816b3a509554596a04b283e662538/tenor.gif?itemid=5664429

https://i.imgur.com/PEkBoao.gif

[Neveragain]

Would be nice to know what Bannon and Mueller talked about during his deposition.

Probably what we are going to do to handle all the democrat tears when he ends the witch hunt.

[Methais]

Probably what we are going to do to handle all the democrat tears when he ends the witch hunt.

My source on the inside said all they did was read this thread.

[Wrathbringer]

My source on the inside said all they did was read this thread.

My sources read this thread but had time4dung, cloaf and hemorrhoidpk on ignore.

[Methais]

Necro got wrecked again. :lol:

[Wrathbringer]

Necro got wrecked again. :lol:

I was wondering why there were extra pages here with nothing on them. :lol:

eta: what a tard

[Methais]

:lol:

:lol:

[time4fun]

So LawFare did a great piece (https://www.lawfareblog.com/can-mueller-or-rosenstein-issue-interim-report-obstruction) on how exactly Mueller might be allowed to write an interim obstruction report, and how Rosenstein might be able to release it. They basically conclude that there are legal possibilities, but that none of them are especially airtight. They (rightly) point out that if this isn't all done 100% by the book, it will immediately be open to criticism. If it exonerates Trump, then it looks suspiciously like they were pressured to bend the rules to let the public know that. If it doesn't exonerate Trump, it starts playing into the Deep State hysteria.

Most of what I've seen out there seems to focus on 8 USC § 600.8 (https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/28/600.8) and 8 USC § 600.9 (https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/28/600.9)- both of which are definitely open to some loose interpretation allowing for the public release of an interim report, but honestly, focusing there falls into the aforementioned trap. If they do decide to go with 8 USC § 600.8a(2) [which requires Mueller to give Rosenstein a full update of the investigation along with his annual budget request], then the report will be issued to Rosenstein July 1st.

But it seems that there are actually two less talked about ways for Rosenstein and Mueller to make this interim report happen:

The first:
I haven't seen anyone discussing this anywhere, so it's quite possible that I'm just misunderstanding the context of the statute. But technically 28 USC § 600.7(b) (https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/28/600.7) allows Rosenstein to "request that the Special Counsel provide an explanation for any investigative or prosecutorial step". That would undoubtedly include the decision to shut down a part of the investigation.

From there, 8 USC § 600.9(c) allows for the release of "other releases of information" [aside from the appointment or dismissal or Mueller as well as the conclusion of Mueller's work] as long as it's in compliance with USAM Chapter 1-7.000 (https://www.justice.gov/usam/usam-1-7000-media-relations). The thing about that section is that it repeatedly, and expressly gives the Assistant AG the ability to approve public disclosure of information that wouldn't normally be allowed under the guidelines. Whereas Comey (loosely) used USAM Chapter 1-7.400(c) to essentially go rogue and hold a press conference without Lynch's approval, Rosenstein technically doesn't need a justification. Though the aforementioned statute as well as USAM Chapter 1-7.500(d) both technically allow for a public release of Mueller's findings.

The Second:

So this one is sort of interesting. For those who don't know, Mueller wasn't technically appointed through the Special Counsel provisions (https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-release/file/967231/download), he was appointed through 28 U.S.C. §§ 509, 510, and 515. (He did end up saying that most of the Special Counsel provision does apply to Mueller though) He's able to do so because in regards to the Russia and Obstruction investigations, he is effectively the acting Attorney General. And he's the Acting Attorney General for only these investigations. (or singular investigation- that part still remains murky) 28 U.S.C. § 529 (https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/28/529) actually requires the Attorney General to submit an annual report to Congress every June 1st. That report includes "any violation of Federal criminal law by any individual who holds or who at the time of such violation held a position, whether or not elective, as a Federal Government officer, employee, or special employee, if such violation relates directly or indirectly to such individual’s Federal Government position, employment, or compensation".

There's also a catch-all for "anything else deemed appropriate". Arguably, in his capacity of Acting AG for Mueller's investigation, you could interpret the statue as requiring Rosenstein to update Congress on the investigation. Now there's a provision in there that precludes sharing information that would " disclose information which would interfere with any pending investigation or prosecution" [emphasis mine]. If Mueller has closed out the obstruction investigation by June 1st, then Rosenstein would only have to issue a report on that piece of the investigation (since the Russia/Collusion investigation is still ongoing). So that's another way to get the information out- though I'm skeptical of this timeline since Trump hasn't agreed to an interview yet.

Frankly, if Trump's lawyers are smart they'll delay the interview until after July 1st.

Both methods seem a little unorthodox- let me know if anyone has any information that would back up or break down either of these options.

[Androidpk]

The FBI raided Michael Cohen's office today. :popcorn:

The F.B.I. on Monday raided the office of President Trump’s longtime personal lawyer, Michael D. Cohen, seizing records related to several topics including payments to a pornographic-film actress.

Federal prosecutors in Manhattan obtained the search warrant after receiving a referral from the special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, according to Mr. Cohen’s lawyer, who called the search “completely inappropriate and unnecessary.” The search does not appear to be directly related to Mr. Mueller’s investigation, but likely resulted from information he had uncovered and gave to prosecutors in New York.

“Today the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the Southern District of New York executed a series of search warrants and seized the privileged communications between my client, Michael Cohen, and his clients,” said Stephen Ryan, his lawyer. “I have been advised by federal prosecutors that the New York action is, in part, a referral by the Office of Special Counsel, Robert Mueller.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/09/us/politics/fbi-raids-office-of-trumps-longtime-lawyer-michael-cohen.html?smid=pl-share

"The payments to Ms. Clifford are only one of many topics being investigated, according to a person briefed on the search."

[cwolff]

Hahaha, thays great. Just saw Clyder post this too. Ducking A. This couldn't happen to a nicer guy

[Androidpk]

FBI agents seized tax documents, business records, and possibly items related to Stormy Daniels case from Michael Cohen's office (our first indication that Mueller may be looking at campaign-finance violations/crimes by Trump, Cohen and/or others).

[Ashliana]

:rofl:

#MAGA, Making Attorneys Get Attorneys.

And FYI, if you didn't know, the FBI raiding Cohen's office -- breaking Trump/Cohen's attorney/client privilege -- means they suspect him, Cohen himself, of being involved in an ongoing criminal enterprise. Classic.

What's the rationale here, conservatrolls?

"HURRR, NOPE, STILL ICE COLD, HURR"

[Androidpk]

So aside from Mueller's investigation there is another FBI investigation into Trump's inner circle.

[time4fun]

The FBI raided Michael Cohen's office today. :popcorn:

The F.B.I. on Monday raided the office of President Trump’s longtime personal lawyer, Michael D. Cohen, seizing records related to several topics including payments to a pornographic-film actress.

Federal prosecutors in Manhattan obtained the search warrant after receiving a referral from the special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, according to Mr. Cohen’s lawyer, who called the search “completely inappropriate and unnecessary.” The search does not appear to be directly related to Mr. Mueller’s investigation, but likely resulted from information he had uncovered and gave to prosecutors in New York.

“Today the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the Southern District of New York executed a series of search warrants and seized the privileged communications between my client, Michael Cohen, and his clients,” said Stephen Ryan, his lawyer. “I have been advised by federal prosecutors that the New York action is, in part, a referral by the Office of Special Counsel, Robert Mueller.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/09/us/politics/fbi-raids-office-of-trumps-longtime-lawyer-michael-cohen.html?smid=pl-share

"The payments to Ms. Clifford are only one of many topics being investigated, according to a person briefed on the search."

Wow. Seems like this probably came as a result of the recent Trump Org subpoena.

I wonder if Mueller is trying to get him to flip? Given Cohen was involved in the Trump Moscow deal, and he shows up in the dossier- I have a hard time believing Mueller's team doesn't care what happens next. I'm guessing he had to refer this to another division because what they found probably doesn't directly relate to his mandate.

(Edited because I just realized that I've read several plea agreements that were struck between multiple agencies)

[Androidpk]

Even if he doesn't flip it's likely he just became a witness in Mueller's investigation. Is he going to fall on the sword for Trump again?

[time4fun]

Even if he doesn't flip it's likely he just became a witness in Mueller's investigation. Is he going to fall on the sword for Trump again?

Cohen isn't going to agree to be a cooperative witness unless he gets something out of it. He could just plead the 5th all day long. This raid was done dramatically and in broad daylight for a reason- they're trying to pressure him into cooperating.

Or they're trying to scare someone else perhaps.

[Parkbandit]

So.... still no collusion?

Shocked.

[time4fun]

Risky Political Prediction Time. We're getting to that point where we can start issuing our risky (i.e. based on woefully incomplete information) predictions.

What's your risky prediction about the investigation?

There are a lot of assumptions being made in this prediction, so there's a LOT of room for error. But here's my risky prediction:

1) Mueller has determined that DoJ guidelines prevent him from indicting a sitting President. He will issue a factual obstruction report without any direct conclusions but which clearly, implicitly leads to one conclusion: that Trump obstructed justice. The report will include some discussion of the fact that DoJ guidelines prevent indictment of a sitting President.

2) There will be no charges related to Russia/Collusion against Manafort or any of Trump's family until after the obstruction report comes out. Mueller is well aware of Trump's Pardon power- which is why the charges against Flynn, Mueller, and Gates have all been for financial crimes and lying to the FBI. Pardoning them for these crimes would look terrible.

3) Manafort is using every legal strategy in the book to stall his cases right now because he's waiting for a Trump Pardon. Trump is waiting until Mueller's office adds Russia/Collusion charges to his indictments before issuing a Pardon. The plan is to argue that since this is a "politically motivated witch hunt", they are bogus charges- though Mueller's financial crimes indictments seriously- and intentionally- undercut any arguments that Manafort is somehow an "innocent victim" in all of this.

3) The obstruction report will come out this summer and will mention the fact that Trump had Dowd offer a pardon to Manafort and Flynn as an example of Federal witness tampering (which is one of the classic examples of obstruction). Once he has listed that as an example of Trump's obstruction, it becomes politically very dangerous to start issuing Pardons to people who are serious targets in the investigation, and Mueller has actually made it legally dangerous at that point too.

4) Realizing he's not going to get a Pardon, Manafort will immediately flip and provide damning evidence against someone or someoneS of consequence in the Russia/Collusion investigation.

5) Then the Russia/Collusion-related indictments will start coming out



It would explain the following-
-Why Gates and Flynn both got the plea deal of a lifetime (you don't get that unless you have something of very high value to offer- given the severity of their potential crimes)
-Why Manafort refuses to work out a plea deal with Mueller
-Why Mueller is planning on issuing a separate obstruction report relatively quickly (according to reporting anyway)
-Why Mueller is planning on issuing an interim report at all
-Why there are no indictments directly related to Russia/Collusion as of yet (except against Russian nationals)



Big Risks-

-Mueller may very well decide after interviewing Trump that he can't prove corrupt intent

-Mueller may actually be releasing an early "interim" report because the obstruction investigation was actually a separate investigation from Russia/Collusion. Meaning it's not actually an interim report at all

-Trump may decide to fire Mueller instead of interviewing with him, or he may decide to preemptively Pardon Manafort (though it would look terrible to give a blanket Pardon to anything related to illegal activity involving Russia/Collusion activities without having specific allegations to argue against)

-Reporting may be inaccurate on a number of fronts- including the interim report, the Gates plea deal, Manafort waiting for a Pardon, Dowd having dangled a Pardon in front of Flynn and Manafort, etc.

-Manafort may genuinely be holding out because he has no information on Russia/Collusion to offer. (Though this is made less likely by the reporting on the terms of Gates's plea deal)

[Gelston]

Look at all this time and effort she puts into formatting her PC posts.

[time4fun]

Look at all this time and effort she puts into formatting her PC posts.

Habit from work

[Androidpk]

I think Kushner, Don jr, Stone, Assange and Cohen will be charged with an assortment of crimes. The obstruction report is going to finger Trump.

[time4fun]

I think Kushner, Don jr, Stone, Assange and Cohen will be charged with an assortment of crimes. The obstruction report is going to finger Trump.

Come on, you can be more specific than that!

This is supposed to be your risky prediction. The one that you know carries a lot of chances to be wrong because you're missing so much information, and because it's so far out.

The fun is in trying to find explanations that connect all of the dots.

[Parkbandit]

Look at all this time and effort she puts into formatting her PC posts.

If posting 3 times in a row means you are upset.. what does spending all that time typing and formatting political posts on a 20 year old roleplaying game forum mean?

[Parkbandit]

I think Kushner, Don jr, Stone, Assange and Cohen will be charged with an assortment of crimes. The obstruction report is going to finger Trump.

So, will President Trump be charged with something to do with his involvement with Russian election tampering or not?

Isn't that what this whole thing is about?

[Androidpk]

Isn't that what this whole thing is about?

No, it's a multifaceted investigation. The only reason why there is a special counsel investigation is because Trump fired Comey then bragged about it.

[Androidpk]

https://i.imgur.com/tnxJYa4.jpg

[time4fun]

And just so the class is clear- warrants require evidence.

Mueller's team has issued a lot of warrants- which means they have a lot of evidence.

And if they were able to breach attorney/client privilege- then that means they suspect that Cohen was involved in illicit activities as Trump's lawyer.

[Androidpk]

I imagine they'd need a lot of evidence to convince a judge to authorize a raid on a lawyer like this. The judge and AG who approved this are Trump hires, too.


Trump calls Cohen raid “a disgraceful situation,” a “witch hunt,” an “attack on our country,” and again criticizes Sessions for recusing himself

[SHAFT]

So, will President Trump be charged with something to do with his involvement with Russian election tampering or not?

Isn't that what this whole thing is about?

The scary thing for trump had always been that mueller would follow the money and find money laundering on behalf of trump. This isn’t a secret and has been well-documented.

Now you have Cohen wrapped up in this stormy Daniels thing, where he’s being investigated for bank fraud and campaign finance violations. Trump is at least a witness in this or at worst a co-conspirator.

Hopefully trump tries to fire rosenstein over this. Rosenstein did go to the FBI in regards to Cohen after muellers recommendation.

Also, the funny thing is, so many trump supporters are cool with him being a criminal as long as he didn’t conspire with Russia. So much more will come out.

[Androidpk]

And just so the class is clear- warrants require evidence.

Mueller's team has issued a lot of warrants- which means they have a lot of evidence.

And if they were able to breach attorney/client privilege- then that means they suspect that Cohen was involved in illicit activities as Trump's lawyer.

And they just turned this all over to the SDNY office. Meaning if Mueller gets fired there's still an ongoing FBI investigation into laundering/bank fraud.

[Androidpk]

The scary thing for trump had always been that mueller would follow the money and find money laundering on behalf of trump. This isn’t a secret and has been well-documented.

Now you have Cohen wrapped up in this stormy Daniels thing, where he’s being investigated for bank fraud and campaign finance violations. Trump is at least a witness in this or at worst a co-conspirator.

Hopefully trump tries to fire rosenstein over this. Rosenstein did go to the FBI in regards to Cohen after muellers recommendation.

Also, the funny thing is, so many trump supporters are cool with him being a criminal as long as he didn’t conspire with Russia. So much more will come out.

Bannon, as scummy as he is, was absolutely spot on when he said Trump's decision to fire Comey may go down in history as one of the dumbest political moves ever.

[SHAFT]

Bannon, as scummy as he is, was absolutely spot on when he said Trump's decision to fire Comey may go down in history as one of the dumbest political moves ever.

Trump hires the best people! Ivanka and Jared pushed hard to fire comey.

[Androidpk]

Here's an interesting comment I found.


As a lawyer of 35 years, this is one of the most significant developments in the Mueller investigation.

It is extraordinarily hard to convince a judge, who is a former lawyer himself or herself, to pierce the attorney/client privilege and work product doctrine to issue a subpoena and seize material subject to those sacred protections.


The judge must be convinced that Cohen's records will demonstrate substantial criminal activity.


This may be "Black Monday" for Donald Trump.

[Wrathbringer]

And just so the class is clear- warrants require evidence.

Mueller's team has issued a lot of warrants- which means they have a lot of evidence.

And if they were able to breach attorney/client privilege- then that means they suspect that Cohen was involved in illicit activities as Trump's lawyer.

The "class", huh? You're retarded.

[Wrathbringer]

Also, OMGOMGOMG IT"S FINALLY HAPPENING FOR REAL REAL THIS TIME GUYS!!!1!11 IT'S HEATING UP OH GOD IT'S HOT!!!11

[time4fun]

Here's an interesting comment I found.

Yeah- attorney-client privilege is one of the bedrocks of our legal system. Whatever evidence they had going in must have been significant.

The one thing that sticks out though- Trump apparently knew about this raid before he was told about it.

Which makes you wonder if Cohen knew ahead of time as well

[time4fun]

The scary thing for trump had always been that mueller would follow the money and find money laundering on behalf of trump. This isn’t a secret and has been well-documented.

Now you have Cohen wrapped up in this stormy Daniels thing, where he’s being investigated for bank fraud and campaign finance violations. Trump is at least a witness in this or at worst a co-conspirator.

Hopefully trump tries to fire rosenstein over this. Rosenstein did go to the FBI in regards to Cohen after muellers recommendation.

Also, the funny thing is, so many trump supporters are cool with him being a criminal as long as he didn’t conspire with Russia. So much more will come out.

The scary thing is how many Trump supports are cool with him being a criminal who DID conspire with Russia.

I do agree with some of the other assessments here though- Trump's liable to start getting impulsive soon. That means that either he'll rush into an interview to "prove" his innocence (and to separate himself from Cohen), or he's going to do something drastic like force Sessions to resign. If Sessions resigns, Trump can install someone in his place temporarily without having to go through Senate confirmation.

Though Mueller and Rosenstein were VERY smart to refer this out to the FBI. It insulates them from direct retaliation.

[Androidpk]

Do you know what kind of evidence you would have to present to a federal judge to get him to sign a warrant to raid the President's personal attorney's office?

Sure, technically the standard is still probable cause. But in reality, holy shit. The evidence they presented to that judge had to be overwhelming. And the DoJ has many extra procedures you have to jump through, and get approval at the highest levels of the Department, before seeking a warrant on an attorney's office. But the President's attorney's office?


My first reaction as a judge would be, "You want me to sign what??"


Edit: This was a no knock, bust the doors down type of warrant and raid. (See my edit below on this.) So in addition to the probable cause for the search, they had to convince the judge that if they knocked on the door and presented the warrant through the normal course of business, documents would have been destroyed. This is extreme.


As Bill Kristol just said: "This is sending a message. This is war."


Update: They also raided his luxury hotel room simultaneously. https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/04/fbi-raids-michael-cohen-new-york-hotel


Edit: The only source for my "no knock" comment was on live CNN TV, on Jake Tapper's show. I cannot find any written source that confirms this as a "no knock" warrant. So until further notice, take this part of my comment with a grain of salt. Whether it was or not, is a very minor detail, we shouldn't care much about anyway. They raided the president's attorney's office and home. A BFD to use the words of our great former VP.


Edit: 5:31PM Eastern: Wolf Blitzer just confirmed on live TV it was in fact a "no knock" warrant.


Update: MSNBC reporting they've raided Cohen's actual home as well. He was staying in a hotel because a water pipe burst in his home, and was being repaired. So they've raided his office, hotel room, and home.

:popcorn:

[Wrathbringer]

OMGOMGOMG!!!!!111!1

[SHAFT]

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e118/shaft4783/5BCADB64-DFA0-43ED-873A-9AD90E9DC52A_zpsheh5pshk.jpeg (http://s38.photobucket.com/user/shaft4783/media/5BCADB64-DFA0-43ED-873A-9AD90E9DC52A_zpsheh5pshk.jpeg.html)

[cwolff]

And they just turned this all over to the SDNY office. Meaning if Mueller gets fired there's still an ongoing FBI investigation into laundering/bank fraud.

Ya baby. That's our sleeper there. I have a lot of hope riding on SDNY


Bannon, as scummy as he is, was absolutely spot on when he said Trump's decision to fire Comey may go down in history as one of the dumbest political moves ever.

I almost miss Bannon now. Kind of like how I catch myself looking back fondly on W's presidency.


:popcorn:

Ditto

Anyone watching MSNBC? Chis Mathews opened his show with these words:

"Today the FBI raided the offices of the personal attorney to the President of the United States of America"

That kind of impacted me. It's straight news, no spin, but a heavy heavy sentence.

Time4fun, What do you mean Trump knew before he was told?

[Parkbandit]

The only reason why there is a special counsel investigation is because Trump fired Comey then bragged about it.

https://media.giphy.com/media/2Tn10AXN6B98k/giphy.gif

The Director of the FBI is employed at the will of the President of the United States and can be terminated at any time and for whatever reason.

The President can brag about whatever he wants.

Neither one is against any law.

[SHAFT]

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e118/shaft4783/E7215CC2-2994-4DAD-8326-C319B64F671F_zpsoemkomms.jpeg (http://s38.photobucket.com/user/shaft4783/media/E7215CC2-2994-4DAD-8326-C319B64F671F_zpsoemkomms.jpeg.html)

[SHAFT]

https://media.giphy.com/media/2Tn10AXN6B98k/giphy.gif

The Director of the FBI is employed at the will of the President of the United States and can be terminated at any time and for whatever reason.

The President can brag about whatever he wants.

Neither one is against any law.

I don’t think you grasped what he was saying.

[cwolff]

Time to pierce this veil of privilege.


Trump Jr. cites attorney-client privilege in not answering panel's questions about discussions with his father

Then there's this. Akward!


WASHINGTON – Today Republican National Committee (RNC) Chairwoman Ronna McDaniel and RNC Finance Chairman Steve Wynn announced additional members of the RNC’s Finance leadership team:
“I am delighted to announce the addition of these longtime friends of the Party and supporters of this administration to our Finance leadership team,” said Chairwoman McDaniel. “Elliott Broidy, Michael Cohen, and Louis DeJoy will serve as National Deputy Finance Chairmen, and Brian Ballard, Bob Grand, Gordon Sondland, Geoff Verhoff, and Ron Weiser will serve as Regional Vice-Chairmen. Together this team will employ their extraordinary talent and understanding of Americans across the country to maintain and build upon our unprecedented fundraising success.”

[Parkbandit]

The scary thing is how many Trump supports are cool with him being a criminal who DID conspire with Russia.

That's very, very wishful "thinking" on your part... given there has been absolutely no evidence to support that.

It's also wishful "thinking" that somehow Hillary will somehow become President over this.

Sorry you're retarded :(

[Parkbandit]

I don’t think you grasped what he was saying.

I don't want you having another meltdown.. but what he said was:

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Here is the reason for the appointment of a Special Counsel:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/73/Appointment_of_Special_Counsel_to_Investigate_Russ ian_Interference_with_the_2016_Presidential_Electi on_and_Related_Matters.pdf/page1-463px-Appointment_of_Special_Counsel_to_Investigate_Russ ian_Interference_with_the_2016_Presidential_Electi on_and_Related_Matters.pdf.jpg

[SHAFT]

Good luck trying to figure it out, PB

[Androidpk]

Obstruction of justice has been a major point of this investigation since day 1 and it's also the first part of the investigation that will be wrapped up and presented to the public/Congress.

[Androidpk]

Good luck trying to figure it out, PB

He doesn't want to figure it it, he just wants to act like the idiot he is and sling shit everywhere.

[time4fun]

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The Director of the FBI is employed at the will of the President of the United States and can be terminated at any time and for whatever reason.

The President can brag about whatever he wants.

Neither one is against any law.

This is a factually incorrect statement. The President may not use his powers with "corrupt intent". SCOTUS has been very clear about this. Nixon learned this the hard way as well.

Think of it this way- it's totally legal to throw old notebooks in the garbage.

And it's totally illegal to knowingly throw out old notebooks that contained critical evidence for an ongoing investigation in order to try to spare yourself jail time.

Fun factoid: while the Constitution gives the President the power to hire- it doesn't expressly grant the ability to fire. That's defined through case law and post-constitutional law.

[Parkbandit]

He doesn't want to figure it it, he just wants to act like the idiot he is and sling shit everywhere.

What you said was factually incorrect. I've included specifically why it was appointed. Don't be upset because you are a fool.

That's not slinging shit, that is stating a fact, based upon years of your political posts.