Things that made you laugh today (Political Version)

[Seran]

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/california-looking-to-be-the-first-state-to-pay-drug-addicts-to-stay-sober-01630079936?siteid=yhoof2

Ha.

Haha.

HAHAHAHAHAHA.

Nothing at all could go wrong. Nope, not one thing.

So your problem is that California is attempting to save hundreds of thousands to millions of dollars annually by reducing the number of impairment related hospitalizations, traffic accidents and incarcerations by offering a small stipend to get folks clean and sober?

Just what sort of world do you live in where helping folks and saving money is bad?

[Shaps]

So your problem is that California is attempting to save hundreds of thousands to millions of dollars annually by reducing the number of impairment related hospitalizations, traffic accidents and incarcerations by offering a small stipend to get folks clean and sober?

Just what sort of world do you live in where helping folks and saving money is bad?

You mean helping folks with Foodstamps, Welfare, Shelters, Food Drives, free health care, etc.? You mean community organizations that provide free counseling, rehabilitation, housing/food, clothing, etc.?

I'm for the Government not paying everyone (which if you didn't know is actually someone else's money), for every little thing they do. Have kids? Here's a government check. Do drugs? Here's a government check. So and and so forth.

There are multitudes of ways provided to assist those in need, by many government and community programs already. Now paying someone to stay sober is the next move?

I lean more on the personal responsibility side of the fence... and choosing to show compassion and care in my community if I so choose. Not the Government just handing out money to people for "staying sober". Hell if anything, they should pay people to "be thin" then right? Unhealthy living and eating habits contribute to so much strain on the medical system, it would make sense right? Or, what about we pay everyone that goes to an AA meeting. What about the Government send a check to everyone that does not speed? I mean speeding kills people right, so maybe we should pay people to actually drive the speed limit.

Get the fuck out of here.

There is a difference between compassion and caring.. and the Government being your mama's tit.


Now instead of just complaining - I'll give you what I consider a reasonable alternative:

The Government pays benefits to those in need, who remain sober, and who work a minimum of 20 hours a week for their community... as a form of assistance. If someone is down on their luck, need help, and family/friends/community can not provide that help... then with current Government programs already in place, a safety net is extended to ensure they receive food/shelter/medical care.

BUT, in exchange for this.. the individual must do 20hrs/week of some form of work for their local community government (repaint buildings, roadside cleanup, park beautification, etc.). I don't abhor the idea of helping others, nor the government providing a safety net for people that need it. I do believe there should be some slight (not onerous) recompense/effort from the individual back to their community in exchange for it.

You want to "build, back, better"? There you go.

[Shaps]

That's incorrect, there were a total of ten casualties in 2020, three between March and December.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_military_casualties_in_the_War_in_Af ghanistan

You might want to look at the chart that corresponds... and when I said "no casualty since FEB 2020", I meant KIA - as a result of enemy action.

U.S. KIA (hostile) in Afghanistan only by month according to iCasualties.org:

2020 2 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 4
2021 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 13 – – – – 13

[Seran]

You mean helping folks with Foodstamps, Welfare, Shelters, Food Drives, free health care, etc.? You mean community organizations that provide free counseling, rehabilitation, housing/food, clothing, etc.?

I'm for the Government not paying everyone (which if you didn't know is actually someone else's money), for every little thing they do. Have kids? Here's a government check. Do drugs? Here's a government check. So and and so forth.

There are multitudes of ways provided to assist those in need, by many government and community programs already. Now paying someone to stay sober is the next move?

I lean more on the personal responsibility side of the fence... and choosing to show compassion and care in my community if I so choose. Not the Government just handing out money to people for "staying sober". Hell if anything, they should pay people to "be thin" then right? Unhealthy living and eating habits contribute to so much strain on the medical system, it would make sense right? Or, what about we pay everyone that goes to an AA meeting. What about the Government send a check to everyone that does not speed? I mean speeding kills people right, so maybe we should pay people to actually drive the speed limit.

Get the fuck out of here.

There is a difference between compassion and caring.. and the Government being your mama's tit.


Now instead of just complaining - I'll give you what I consider a reasonable alternative:

The Government pays benefits to those in need, who remain sober, and who work a minimum of 20 hours a week for their community... as a form of assistance. If someone is down on their luck, need help, and family/friends/community can not provide that help... then with current Government programs already in place, a safety net is extended to ensure they receive food/shelter/medical care.

BUT, in exchange for this.. the individual must do 20hrs/week of some form of work for their local community government (repaint buildings, roadside cleanup, park beautification, etc.). I don't abhor the idea of helping others, nor the government providing a safety net for people that need it. I do believe there should be some slight (not onerous) recompense/effort from the individual back to their community in exchange for it.

You want to "build, back, better"? There you go.

I'm all for work requirements, welfare to work and otherwise. Able bodies folks shouldn't get a free ride just because they spread their legs or don't want to work. As it is, those with additions and alcohol dependency are going to get high or drunk and there's a much high her societal costs for their treatment, rather than incentivizing sobriety.

[Gelston]

You might want to look at the chart that corresponds... and when I said "no casualty since FEB 2020", I meant KIA - as a result of enemy action.

U.S. KIA (hostile) in Afghanistan only by month according to iCasualties.org:

2020 2 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 4
2021 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 13 – – – – 13

Casualty is WIA and KIA. Next time just say KIA. You got your terms wrong.

[Shaps]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewsolender/2021/08/11/senate-democrats-call-gops-bluff-on-defund-the-police-penalties-preventing-green-new-deal-and-more/?sh=4b54eddd55b6

Democrats.. playing you jackasses like the ignorant bastards you are. Give them your vote, they care! ROFL

"95 senators voted for Sen. Josh Hawley’s (R-Mo.) amendment to hire 100,000 new police officers, which, Sen. Dick Durbin (D-Ill.) noted, is an extension of a program Biden got passed in 1994 when he was a senator. " - Where those chants in support of BLM and Defund the Police go? ROFL

"All 99 senators present – minus Sen. Mike Rounds (R-S.D.) – voted to pass Sen. Tommy Tuberville’s (R-Ala.) amendment to withhold federal funds from localities that defund their police – which, like the Green New Deal, is a left-wing policy the GOP likes to try to pin to Democrats." - Principles.. ROFL.. we only need you suckers in election years. HAHAHAHA.

"At the start of the marathon amendment process, or “vote-o-rama,” on Democrats’ budget resolution, all 50 Democrats joined with Republicans to pass Sen. John Barrasso’s (R-Wyo.) amendment preventing the implementation of the Green New Deal." - We care about the environment! ROFL .. Hey tree-huggers we'll need you all to help us in election years too! ROFL

“This is a gift,” Sen. Cory Booker (D-N.J.) said of Tuberville’s amendment in a floor speech, asserting that it will allow Democrats to “put to bed this scurrilous accusation that somebody in this great, esteemed body would want to defund the police.” He added, sarcastically, "I am sure I will see no political ads attacking anybody here over defund the police." - ROFL This fucking guy.

You shills get it now? Stop being played by your handlers. It can't feel good getting treated like an ignorant child, then backhanded at the dinner table. ROFL

See you next election cycle! You all can preach how "progressive" you all are again. Fucking idiots.

[Shaps]

Casualty is WIA and KIA. Next time just say KIA. You got your terms wrong.

Yea yea. Could have been more clear on the terminology. We're not sending up 9-lines here.

[Shaps]

I'm all for work requirements, welfare to work and otherwise. Able bodies folks shouldn't get a free ride just because they spread their legs or don't want to work. As it is, those with additions and alcohol dependency are going to get high or drunk and there's a much high her societal costs for their treatment, rather than incentivizing sobriety.

Sounds like we're actually a bit closer in thinking then, so we shouldn't be at odds. I just disagree on the point that the Government should be paying people directly to stay sober.

Addicts are already "paid" through the various social programs and support systems that are in place. Giving them a free check just to not do something is a very bad trend IMO.

Local communities, volunteer organizations, and charities already provide a large boost to such things in the US. The Federal Government shouldn't be giving them straight cash though. Again, just my opinion.

[Neveragain]

Sounds like we're actually a bit closer in thinking then, so we shouldn't be at odds. I just disagree on the point that the Government should be paying people directly to stay sober.

Addicts are already "paid" through the various social programs and support systems that are in place. Giving them a free check just to not do something is a very bad trend IMO.

Local communities, volunteer organizations, and charities already provide a large boost to such things in the US. The Federal Government shouldn't be giving them straight cash though. Again, just my opinion.

I actually disagree with conservatives on some of these issues. I believe the current healthcare system we have for the poor works rather well. I'm ashamed of our shortage of public housing, every society has the poor and a society should be judged by how they take care of their poor. I am also ashamed of how the church has taken care of it's poor in the US. We need to completely restructure our safety net and education system.

If we can piss away 2 trillion for war, we can figure out a way to house, clothe and feed our poor.

[Seran]

Sounds like we're actually a bit closer in thinking then, so we shouldn't be at odds. I just disagree on the point that the Government should be paying people directly to stay sober.

Addicts are already "paid" through the various social programs and support systems that are in place. Giving them a free check just to not do something is a very bad trend IMO.

Local communities, volunteer organizations, and charities already provide a large boost to such things in the US. The Federal Government shouldn't be giving them straight cash though. Again, just my opinion.

Problem is that reactionary solutions like voluntary treatment and transitional housing don't have the teeth of mandating 100% sobriety except for rare instances. Like it or not, our carebear society has this notion that the best of us and the worst of us deserve equal treatment. So your doctors curing terminal illness have the same rights as your average junky who is willfully killing himself and stealing from others to enable it.

Unless you can reverse that, go back to letting those who won't help themselves go completely, then you have to put in incentives to being in control.

[Shaps]

Problem is that reactionary solutions like voluntary treatment and transitional housing don't have the teeth of mandating 100% sobriety except for rare instances. Like it or not, our carebear society has this notion that the best of us and the worst of us deserve equal treatment. So your doctors curing terminal illness have the same rights as your average junky who is willfully killing himself and stealing from others to enable it.

Unless you can reverse that, go back to letting those who won't help themselves go completely, then you have to put in incentives to being in control.

Good points. Sounds like more of a philosophical disagreement then.

I'm on the side of those who are "willfully killing himself and stealing from others to enable it", to just let them die or perish. I don't think that "the best of us" and "the worst of us" deserve equal treatment at all. Not if "the worst of us" are doing it "willfully".

Might seem a bit hash, but is what is.

[Shaps]

Problem is that reactionary solutions like voluntary treatment and transitional housing don't have the teeth of mandating 100% sobriety except for rare instances. Like it or not, our carebear society has this notion that the best of us and the worst of us deserve equal treatment. So your doctors curing terminal illness have the same rights as your average junky who is willfully killing himself and stealing from others to enable it.

Unless you can reverse that, go back to letting those who won't help themselves go completely, then you have to put in incentives to being in control.

Good points. Sounds like more of a philosophical disagreement then.

I'm on the side of those who are "willfully killing himself and stealing from others to enable it", to just let them die or perish. I don't think that "the best of us" and "the worst of us" deserve equal treatment at all. Not if "the worst of us" are doing it "willfully".

Might seem a bit hash, but is what is.

[Shaps]

I actually disagree with conservatives on some of these issues. I believe the current healthcare system we have for the poor works rather well. I'm ashamed of our shortage of public housing, every society has the poor and a society should be judged by how they take care of their poor. I am also ashamed of how the church has taken care of it's poor in the US. We need to completely restructure our safety net and education system.

If we can piss away 2 trillion for war, we can figure out a way to house, clothe and feed our poor.

I'll agree it's not perfect, it's not ideal, and it never will be. Never has been. But we've done it better than most of human history.

Our country shouldn't be denigrated for the gaps that exist. Improvements can be made, but we shouldn't feel ashamed for the generosity the people of this Nation has shown/given to those around the world.

[Seran]

Good points. Sounds like more of a philosophical disagreement then.

I'm on the side of those who are "willfully killing himself and stealing from others to enable it", to just let them die or perish. I don't think that "the best of us" and "the worst of us" deserve equal treatment at all. Not if "the worst of us" are doing it "willfully".

Might seem a bit hash, but is what is.

It is harsh, but I also agree that there's a certain point where someone's lost their humanity and just needs to be allowed to fade away. Personal experience with immediate family has shown me that until someone's allowed to hit rock bottom, they don't have a real chance at recovery. As long as someone's willing to enable, then the addict is going to stay an addict.

But for the most part, people aren't willing to let destiny take its course and barring a change there, I think rewarding clean and sober behavior is not a bad compromise.

[Neveragain]

I'll agree it's not perfect, it's not ideal, and it never will be. Never has been. But we've done it better than most of human history.

Our country shouldn't be denigrated for the gaps that exist. Improvements can be made, but we shouldn't feel ashamed for the generosity the people of this Nation has shown/given to those around the world.

I'm not trying to denigrate our country, it's without a doubt one of the best places to live on the planet. That being said, we can do a lot better.

I have zero qualms with letting the individual learn through their failures but we also can't ignore that we have individuals in this country with more wealth than some countries have and I think we all agree that there's something not right about that.

We have 500,000 plus human beings living in the streets. Vast numbers of those individuals suffer from mental illness which can be fixed by us investing in humane mental health facilities.

If we were to reform our public school system from a "one size fits all" institution, a great deal of our homeless problems would go away. We need work programs for students age 14 and up that help create/sustain our safety net program.

The quality of life for the poor is, as history has proven, a societies security interest.

[~Rocktar~]

I'm not trying to denigrate our country, it's without a doubt one of the best places to live on the planet. That being said, we can do a lot better.

Yes, government handouts and subsidies are not the way, 60+ years of past history on this should prove that.


I have zero qualms with letting the individual learn through their failures but we also can't ignore that we have individuals in this country with more wealth than some countries have and I think we all agree that there's something not right about that.

No, we can't, the people you complain about provide a service to millions if not billions, how much service to the countries you talk about provide?


We have 500,000 plus human beings living in the streets. Vast numbers of those individuals suffer from mental illness which can be fixed by us investing in humane mental health facilities.

But facilities and asylums and so on were all cruel and terrible and all the other names people used to call for closing them all in the late 60s.


If we were to reform our public school system from a "one size fits all" institution, a great deal of our homeless problems would go away. We need work programs for students age 14 and up that help create/sustain our safety net program.

It needs reform and like Bill Maher said "We need to do more to make college degrees unnecessary for 2/3 of the jobs, which they are." I agree we need work programs, technical education, shop class, and Title IX needs to go away as the immense failure that it has been. And our "safety net" needs reform so that it's not a viable career choice.


The quality of life for the poor is, as history has proven, a societies security interest.

The best sure for poverty is to not enable it. What you enable, what you focus on, what you subsidize grows. We have spent trillions trying to pay the poor to not be poor and it hasn't worked. It has destroyed the family, it has driven drug abuse, it has driven mental health issue, it has driven crime and it has created a massive economic slave class that votes for more handouts from their slave masters. The personal income tax is merely a wealth redistribution program and it has proven that it is a failure. Doing more of what has failed over and over again is lunacy.

[Neveragain]

Yes, government handouts and subsidies are not the way, 60+ years of past history on this should prove that.



No, we can't, the people you complain about provide a service to millions if not billions, how much service to the countries you talk about provide?



But facilities and asylums and so on were all cruel and terrible and all the other names people used to call for closing them all in the late 60s.



It needs reform and like Bill Maher said "We need to do more to make college degrees unnecessary for 2/3 of the jobs, which they are." I agree we need work programs, technical education, shop class, and Title IX needs to go away as the immense failure that it has been. And our "safety net" needs reform so that it's not a viable career choice.



The best sure for poverty is to not enable it. What you enable, what you focus on, what you subsidize grows. We have spent trillions trying to pay the poor to not be poor and it hasn't worked. It has destroyed the family, it has driven drug abuse, it has driven mental health issue, it has driven crime and it has created a massive economic slave class that votes for more handouts from their slave masters. The personal income tax is merely a wealth redistribution program and it has proven that it is a failure. Doing more of what has failed over and over again is lunacy.

Government subsidies have proven successful, the problem is we don't give enough. Ask any family that receives food assistance and they will all tell you they come up a week short every month. Enough should be given to duel parent households that make it easier for one parent to stay home and care for their family.


Chief executives of big companies now make, on average, 320 times as much as their typical worker, according to the Economic Policy Institute. In 1989, that ratio was 61 to 1.

Your trickle down bullshit doesn't work, it's proven by the two parents working 2 1/2 jobs and the destruction of the nuclear family over the past 30 years.

I'm glad that you agree that shutting down our mental health institutions was inhumane and stupid.

If you believe our $23,000 household annual income is a "viable career choice", you're just wrong. People don't keep getting pregnant just to stay on a $23,000 income, this is a fantasy that conservatives have in their head. This shows your lack of understanding human psychology and sociology.

[~Rocktar~]

Government subsidies have proven successful, the problem is we don't give enough. Ask any family that receives food assistance and they will all tell you they come up a week short every month. Enough should be given to duel parent households that make it easier for one parent to stay home and care for their family.

No, they haven't, the poverty rate has not decreased. You can't give enough to people to make them not poor without a job. And the fact that we started to have less people on welfare under Trump with the highest levels of employment ever are indeed proof that the policies do work and they work better than welfare slavery to the government.


Your trickle down bullshit doesn't work, it's proven by the two parents working 2 1/2 jobs and the destruction of the nuclear family over the past 30 years.

70+% black children are born in single parent families, 45+% plus of Hispanic, and in the mid 60, before the "Great Society" welfare slavery those numbers were around 22-23% blacks and less for Hispanics. Welfare does not work.


I'm glad that you agree that shutting down our mental health institutions was inhumane and stupid.

Never argued that it wasn't. Ever.


If you believe our $23,000 household annual income is a "viable career choice", you're just wrong. People don't keep getting pregnant just to stay on a $23,000 income, this is a fantasy that conservatives have in their head. This shows your lack of understanding human psychology and sociology.

So where is that number come from? Does it include paid for Medicaid? What about housing assistance? Is it taxable? No? Yeah, like teachers pay, it's a false number and a load of shit. And with current welfare set up so that you make another baby, you get more pay, it is in fact a career choice as attested to the fact we have 5th generation welfare families now. Twenty three thousand take home without rent and taxes is similar to what I take home and live off of so guess what, that's a pile of shit.

[Neveragain]

No, they haven't, the poverty rate has not decreased. You can't give enough to people to make them not poor without a job. And the fact that we started to have less people on welfare under Trump with the highest levels of employment ever are indeed proof that the policies do work and they work better than welfare slavery to the government.



70+% black children are born in single parent families, 45+% plus of Hispanic, and in the mid 60, before the "Great Society" welfare slavery those numbers were around 22-23% blacks and less for Hispanics. Welfare does not work.



Never argued that it wasn't. Ever.



So where is that number come from? Does it include paid for Medicaid? What about housing assistance? Is it taxable? No? Yeah, like teachers pay, it's a false number and a load of shit. And with current welfare set up so that you make another baby, you get more pay, it is in fact a career choice as attested to the fact we have 5th generation welfare families now. Twenty three thousand take home without rent and taxes is similar to what I take home and live off of so guess what, that's a pile of shit.

The cut off for assistance is roughly $20,000 for an individual, this is also scaled. Our current average is $1.30 per meal for everyone that is on food assistance. For housing assistance you can't make more than $15,000 for an individual.

If our current tax rates and safety net worked, we wouldn't have 500,000 homeless people and employers that make 300 times the amount of their average employee.

People don't have babies just to stay on welfare, again, this shows your lack of understanding human psychology and sociology. This anti-family / child position that both parties take is destructive as fuck to a society.

[~Rocktar~]

The cut off for assistance is roughly $20,000 for an individual, this is also scaled. Our current average is $1.30 per meal for everyone that is on food assistance. For housing assistance you can't make more than $15,000 for an individual.

If our current tax rates and safety net worked, we wouldn't have 500,000 homeless people and employers that make 300 times the amount of their average employee.

People don't have babies just to stay on welfare, again, this shows your lack of understanding human psychology and sociology. This anti-family / child position that both parties take is destructive as fuck to a society.

Sorry, housing assistance and SNAP doesn't count welfare income. And you are simply conflating spending with ending homeless and that is a false narrative and wrong and has been proven wrong over and over. Your assertion that people don't have babies to get more money is also wrong, it happens and happens a lot more than you know. And your assertion that trying to end economic slavery to the government is "anti family" is also bullshit. Economic slavery is destructive as fuck to society. Destroying the family is destructive to society. The economic facts are clear, the end of poverty is a free economy and active job creation and not taxes and wealth redistribution. This is a government caused problem and the government is not the solution. Period.

60+ years of the failure of the "Great Society" is irrefutable proof of the failure of government interfearance in ending poverty, all it has done is increase poverty, increase dependence and destroy the American family and it's unsustainable at it's current level much less increasing it. The government has never cured poverty anywhere on the planet in any manner at all, even the most progressive, Socialist or Communist forms, none have ever cured poverty. Open economies with less restrictive regulations and healthy business creation and growth DOES cure poverty as much as it can. The sad fact is, poverty is a permanent state there is and always will be poverty and nothing will change that despite your feelings or desires to the contrary.

[Seran]

Sorry, housing assistance and SNAP doesn't count welfare income. And you are simply conflating spending with ending homeless and that is a false narrative and wrong and has been proven wrong over and over. Your assertion that people don't have babies to get more money is also wrong, it happens and happens a lot more than you know. And your assertion that trying to end economic slavery to the government is "anti family" is also bullshit. Economic slavery is destructive as fuck to society. Destroying the family is destructive to society. The economic facts are clear, the end of poverty is a free economy and active job creation and not taxes and wealth redistribution. This is a government caused problem and the government is not the solution. Period.

60+ years of the failure of the "Great Society" is irrefutable proof of the failure of government interfearance in ending poverty, all it has done is increase poverty, increase dependence and destroy the American family and it's unsustainable at it's current level much less increasing it. The government has never cured poverty anywhere on the planet in any manner at all, even the most progressive, Socialist or Communist forms, none have ever cured poverty. Open economies with less restrictive regulations and healthy business creation and growth DOES cure poverty as much as it can. The sad fact is, poverty is a permanent state there is and always will be poverty and nothing will change that despite your feelings or desires to the contrary.

Failure of the Great Society? The economic engine of the country is in overdrive and the lack of materials and components now sourced overseas, paired with exploitative gas prices are the only reason why inflation is out of control. If the rest of the world was shifting into fourth gear like our country, we'd be a lot closer to pre covid-19 level than you'd think.

Yes the political divide is approaching a boiling point, the housing market is bonkers, but beyond that the country is strong. Ailing, but strong.

[Seran]

The only thing that's a proven failure is trickle down economics. The tax cuts enacted in the 80s and reinforced under Trump are only adding wealth to the obscenely rich.

[~Rocktar~]

The only thing that's a proven failure is trickle down economics. The tax cuts enacted in the 80s and reinforced under Trump are only adding wealth to the obscenely rich.

Because the average person paying about 47 to 48% of their gross income to taxes of one form or another has nothing to do with it? Then there is the fact that for a year and a half the super rich evil corporations got to stay open while crushing their competition that was forced to close because of the Leftist agenda. OH and yes, the "great society" has failed since we haven't changed the poverty rate, we have destroyed the family and out society is nearing critical collapse due to the debt caused by entitlement spending and the fact that so many of our population are on some entitlement program or another.

[Seran]

Because the average person paying about 47 to 48% of their gross income to taxes of one form or another has nothing to do with it? Then there is the fact that for a year and a half the super rich evil corporations got to stay open while crushing their competition that was forced to close because of the Leftist agenda. OH and yes, the "great society" has failed since we haven't changed the poverty rate, we have destroyed the family and out society is nearing critical collapse due to the debt caused by entitlement spending and the fact that so many of our population are on some entitlement program or another.

You're joking, right? 61% of America paid zero federal incomes tax last year, meaning the average citizen had to come up with 47-48% in taxes to what exactly? Payroll taxes? Wrong. Sales taxes? Wrong. Gasoline taxes at 18 cents a gallon? Nope not there either. Considering California has the highest marginal tax rate at 13.3% for the highest earners, surely you're not calling your friends Buffy and Bunny at the Yacht Club average person? Cleary you're lying.

So let's move on to those evil corporate bastards who benefited from covid-19. I presume of course you're referring to Walmart and Amazon. Now setting aside their hourly pay is double that of the majority of states, plus they give benefits. Setting aside they made sure your family had reasonable access to food, toiletries and medicines. Setting aside they had the infrastructure to step up and meet demand, while mom and pop main street tried to get by charging 30% markup while paying minimum wage. Why, if salute you planting your flag in the name of inconvenience and overpayments!

Now the poor poor nuclear family, being destroyed by what I presume you are referring to LGBT+ indoctrination, maybe those state mandated divorces and baby factories? Oh wait, none of those things exist, so hist what is destroying your idea of the American Family. Things not quite as white as they used to be and you're scared?

Leave discussions to the big kids. You clearly have no fucking clue.

[Shaps]

You're joking, right? 61% of America paid zero federal incomes tax last year, meaning the average citizen had to come up with 47-48% in taxes to what exactly? Payroll taxes? Wrong. Sales taxes? Wrong. Gasoline taxes at 18 cents a gallon? Nope not there either. Considering California has the highest marginal tax rate at 13.3% for the highest earners, surely you're not calling your friends Buffy and Bunny at the Yacht Club average person? Cleary you're lying.

So let's move on to those evil corporate bastards who benefited from covid-19. I presume of course you're referring to Walmart and Amazon. Now setting aside their hourly pay is double that of the majority of states, plus they give benefits. Setting aside they made sure your family had reasonable access to food, toiletries and medicines. Setting aside they had the infrastructure to step up and meet demand, while mom and pop main street tried to get by charging 30% markup while paying minimum wage. Why, if salute you planting your flag in the name of inconvenience and overpayments!

Now the poor poor nuclear family, being destroyed by what I presume you are referring to LGBT+ indoctrination, maybe those state mandated divorces and baby factories? Oh wait, none of those things exist, so hist what is destroying your idea of the American Family. Things not quite as white as they used to be and you're scared?

Leave discussions to the big kids. You clearly have no fucking clue.

So you agree that 39% of a population paying for 100% of a population is wrong. Awesome we agree. So when politicians say "people must pay their fair share!!"... then you mean all people right? Because eventually, that percentage will continue to degrade and result in even fewer people earning and providing for the vast majority of those that don't. Simple supply and demand dictates that enormous subsidies and social programs for equity will result in utter collapse... regardless of how nice the idea sounds. There are plenty of historical examples of just such attempts at "equity".... which usually ends with the death of millions.

The large corporations did benefit from Covid-19, the state and federal restrictions and mandates. That is easily reflected in their earnings reports, and the immense closures of numerous smaller businesses throughout the country. That information is easily found and available. It's not the fact that a business is succeeding - it is the monopoly that they create and exert control over the markets with. That's why there are regulations (that are supposed to be enforced judiciously) against monopolies and anti-trust laws. If you can't see certain companies have achieved a monopoly status, well that's on you.

The destruction of the family system has nothing to do with LGBT+ indoctrination. You must be projecting or something. It has to do with the complete destruction of families where children do not grow up with two parents. That's not to say single parents can't do well, it's just much harder and when it becomes widespread as it is trending, then you see less stable situations for children, which increases the chance for bad results.
It also has absolutely nothing to do with Color... again you are projecting your own dumbass thoughts onto others. Shame that you think that way. Asian, Hispanic, Eastern European, Middle-Eastern, etc. have a much better grasp and respect for the family than the US... both it's children and elders.
LGBT+ and Color have absolutely zero to do with the statistics he was referencing. If you can't see and understand the data, all the studies, and information available, then that is on you.

You clearly have internal biases, and project those biases on how you view family structures.

[Neveragain]

I know for sure I'm voting democrat in 2022 for our gubernatorial race. Something doesn't sit straight with me that someone with 2 prior OWI's and vetoed an improved medical cannabis law that had support from both sides of the isle, should be in any position of power.

If by 2024 we don't have changes in our abortion laws I will also switch back to the Democrat party if they continue with reducing our military footprint around the globe.

in 1989 the ratio between the board members and the average employee was 98 to 1. we are currently at 330 to 1.

[Seran]

So you agree that 39% of a population paying for 100% of a population is wrong. Awesome we agree. So when politicians say "people must pay their fair share!!"... then you mean all people right? Because eventually, that percentage will continue to degrade and result in even fewer people earning and providing for the vast majority of those that don't. Simple supply and demand dictates that enormous subsidies and social programs for equity will result in utter collapse... regardless of how nice the idea sounds. There are plenty of historical examples of just such attempts at "equity".... which usually ends with the death of millions.

Everything you said was pure nonsense and unworthy of a response, but this why it is ignorance I think you're capable of correcting.

The top 3% earn more annually than the other 97% and do not pay more in taxes than the other 36% you so clearly think are victimized. Why? Capital gains exemptions, stock options, convertible assets that are reported as unrealized income. You act like there is nothing in between, that the highest earners are being destroyed by the poor. But what happened to the middle class? Wage stagnation, inflation, jobs being outsourced to other countries without job relocation domestically. Why the list is huge, yet the wealthiest 3% has never been more filthy rich.

And yet the poor are the problem to you. Over looking that the unemployment rate is only 5.4%, it completely eludes you that of those working and earning, 60% don't make enough to pay taxes and require federal assistance.

Yet to someone with your high minded conservatism, those companies paying double the federal minimum wage or triple state minimum wages, they're the problem.

Grow up.

[Shaps]

Everything you said was pure nonsense and unworthy of a response, but this why it is ignorance I think you're capable of correcting.

The top 3% earn more annually than the other 97% and do not pay more in taxes than the other 36% you so clearly think are victimized. Why? Capital gains exemptions, stock options, convertible assets that are reported as unrealized income. You act like there is nothing in between, that the highest earners are being destroyed by the poor. But what happened to the middle class? Wage stagnation, inflation, jobs being outsourced to other countries without job relocation domestically. Why the list is huge, yet the wealthiest 3% has never been more filthy rich.

And yet the poor are the problem to you. Over looking that the unemployment rate is only 5.4%, it completely eludes you that of those working and earning, 60% don't make enough to pay taxes and require federal assistance.

Yet to someone with your high minded conservatism, those companies paying double the federal minimum wage or triple state minimum wages, they're the problem.

Grow up.

So in your first response.. you defend the greatness of companies (the top 3%) like Amazon.. then in the next comment on how the "top 3%" don't pay enough in taxes?

So let me get it straight? Or are you just saying shit to say shit?

I didn't comment on wage stagnation, inflation, or outsourcing.. those all are happening and are horrible. I was commenting on the fact that each year a smaller percentage of people pay Federal taxes than those that do.

As this occurs, all the points you are making... contribute to it.

It's not "high minded conservatism" I'm promoting.. it's individualism and for the Government to get the fuck out of the way and act as a referee - like they're supposed to. The government should only be ensuring that all INDIVIDUALs work within the same laws and system. That's it, in my opinion at least.

All the issues you mentioned above? is the unholy distortion that has occurred between elected officials who are essentially bought off, and major corporations.

How about you grow up... and stop contradicting yourself over and over.

Essentially you're listening to the Politicians that tell you such things as "equity" is the only way to "make people pay" and "ensure their happiness"... all the while they're the ones setting up the conditions that you mention above. It's a cute little game they like to play on people such as yourself.

[Shaps]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_liberalism

Short little read, but this is how the Democrat Party has distorted the term "liberal" from it's historical context.

I give them credit.. they're fucking master psychologists on getting people to forget that they are an individual and should be respected as such.

So am I really promoting "high minded conservatism" or perhaps... I'm actually the liberal and you're the fascist/socialist/communist?


And a historical reminder: The Democratic Party was the Party of the KKK and Jim Crow. I know people like to try and distort that fact, but hey... what don't racist bigots trying to maintain their power not do? Am I right?

[Ashliana]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_liberalism

Short little read, but this is how the Democrat Party has distorted the term "liberal" from it's historical context.

I give them credit.. they're fucking master psychologists on getting people to forget that they are an individual and should be respected as such.

So am I really promoting "high minded conservatism" or perhaps... I'm actually the liberal and you're the fascist/socialist/communist?


And a historical reminder: The Democratic Party was the Party of the KKK and Jim Crow. I know people like to try and distort that fact, but hey... what don't racist bigots trying to maintain their power not do? Am I right?

Historical reminder: The "Democratic" party of the KKK and Jim Crow was the party of white, rural conservative southerners, and all but one Confederate state went for Trump in 2016, and all but 2 in 2020.

I know people like to try and distort that fact, but hey.. what don't racist, bigoted white conservatives from the rural south trying to maintain their power not do?

Or in other words:

https://pics.ballmemes.com/we-arethe-party-of-lincoln-trump-the-man-screamed-while-waivinc-37050378.png

https://i.redd.it/togmyo77e1961.jpg

[Shaps]

Oh yes... anything to make themselves feel better.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2020/01/28/racial-segregation-college-campuses-ethnic-division-racist-civil-rights-column/4587577002/

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2020/09/02/segr-s02.html

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51506733

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/26/us/politics/defund-police-protests-democrats.html

It's all for POCs. Honest. "We care". "Safe spaces and places where you all can be by yourselves is really for you all". "You don't need police, we'll just defund them. Trust us, it will be better for you in your communities."

"We care".

Blah blah blah. Fucking racist pieces of shit.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewsolender/2021/08/11/senate-democrats-call-gops-bluff-on-defund-the-police-penalties-preventing-green-new-deal-and-more/

Standing on principle. LOL. Anything to keep power.

Almost forgot - the latest and best one: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9879959/Oregon-scraps-requirement-high-school-students-prove-proficiency-math-reading-writing.html#:~:text=The%20state%20of%20Oregon%20w ill,bid%20to%20bolster%20minority%20students.

POCs don't need proficiency in reading, writing, or math. "It's to hard for them. This will help make sure they feel good about themselves. This will help their community! It really, really will!"

Fucking backhanded racist pieces of shit. I swear.

[Neveragain]

Historical reminder: The "Democratic" party of the KKK and Jim Crow was the party of white, rural conservative southerners, and all but one Confederate state went for Trump in 2016, and all but 2 in 2020.

I know people like to try and distort that fact, but hey.. what don't racist, bigoted white conservatives from the rural south trying to maintain their power not do?

Or in other words:

https://pics.ballmemes.com/we-arethe-party-of-lincoln-trump-the-man-screamed-while-waivinc-37050378.png

https://i.redd.it/togmyo77e1961.jpg

Lincoln defeated a flag?

[Shaps]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/biden-calls-black-adviser-apos-183534786.html

Got it "boy"? If you ain't got it, then you "ain't black".

Joe's true colors shining through.

That's okay, Hillary has some hot sauce for him in her purse.

Pathetic.

[Seran]

So in your first response.. you defend the greatness of companies (the top 3%) like Amazon.. then in the next comment on how the "top 3%" don't pay enough in taxes?

So let me get it straight? Or are you just saying shit to say shit?

I didn't comment on wage stagnation, inflation, or outsourcing.. those all are happening and are horrible. I was commenting on the fact that each year a smaller percentage of people pay Federal taxes than those that do.

As this occurs, all the points you are making... contribute to it.

It's not "high minded conservatism" I'm promoting.. it's individualism and for the Government to get the fuck out of the way and act as a referee - like they're supposed to. The government should only be ensuring that all INDIVIDUALs work within the same laws and system. That's it, in my opinion at least.

All the issues you mentioned above? is the unholy distortion that has occurred between elected officials who are essentially bought off, and major corporations.

How about you grow up... and stop contradicting yourself over and over.

Essentially you're listening to the Politicians that tell you such things as "equity" is the only way to "make people pay" and "ensure their happiness"... all the while they're the ones setting up the conditions that you mention above. It's a cute little game they like to play on people such as yourself.

Without the government "being in the way" we'd still have small children working in coal mines and smelters would be dumping their byproducts into our drinking water supply. Men and women both would all be making slave labor wages sixteen hours a day, 7 days a week. No, big government has enforced fairness in the workplace and progressive corporations like Walmart, Amazon, Costco and a large number of the big banks are placing their lowest high wage scale into actual living wages. Everything you said champions the idea of getting out of the way of exploitation. The labor market is facing a massive upheaval ON IT'S OWN and being forced to offer living wages. Yes, prices will increase marginally to compensate and they will be forced to become more efficient, but so what, this is also what happens in a free market.

You're sitting here trying to argue both sides of the coin and failing at both by trying to cherry pick from my argument without really understanding what it is you're reading. Corporations /should/ pay higher taxes, as should those making middle six figure salaries. The non-cash earnings scam being perpetuated by corporate America should also be curtailed by taxing the stock at it's market value and then taxing or refunding the gain/loss when it's actually sold. These simple tax changes are being fought bitterly by your Republican vultures and looters. But you clearly think the amorality of society is solely based upon the failure to curtail the size of our government, forcing loveless couples to remain together for the sake of a foolish idealism around two parent households.

[Neveragain]

Without the government "being in the way" we'd still have small children working in coal mines and smelters would be dumping their byproducts into our drinking water supply. Men and women both would all be making slave labor wages sixteen hours a day, 7 days a week. No, big government has enforced fairness in the workplace and progressive corporations like Walmart, Amazon, Costco and a large number of the big banks are placing their lowest high wage scale into actual living wages. Everything you said champions the idea of getting out of the way of exploitation. The labor market is facing a massive upheaval ON IT'S OWN and being forced to offer living wages. Yes, prices will increase marginally to compensate and they will be forced to become more efficient, but so what, this is also what happens in a free market.

You're sitting here trying to argue both sides of the coin and failing at both by trying to cherry pick from my argument without really understanding what it is you're reading. Corporations /should/ pay higher taxes, as should those making middle six figure salaries. The non-cash earnings scam being perpetuated by corporate America should also be curtailed by taxing the stock at it's market value and then taxing or refunding the gain/loss when it's actually sold. These simple tax changes are being fought bitterly by your Republican vultures and looters. But you clearly think the amorality of society is solely based upon the failure to curtail the size of our government, forcing loveless couples to remain together for the sake of a foolish idealism around two parent households.


progressive corporations like Walmart, Amazon, Costco and a large number of the big banks are placing their lowest high wage scale into actual living wages

Nearly all their products are produced using slave labor from China. Not at all surprised that a pseudo-liberal supports their business model.


forcing loveless couples to remain together for the sake of a foolish idealism around two parent households.

Nobody is forcing "loveless" couples to remain together. Though our current safety net structure forces loving couples to separate. We know children from single parent homes suffer from a whole spectrum of problems, from learning to behavioral.

[Seran]

Nearly all their products are produced using slave labor from China. Not at all surprised that a pseudo-liberal supports their business model.

So, the Department of Labor has a database which lists the types of products from different countries that /may/ be the result of child or exploitative labor, do you consult it every time you're shopping in person or online? Whenever you're hunting down that Made in the USA label, do you bother to check to see if materials or parts were sourced from these countries? Or are you one of those hypocrites that loves to talk about a problem but not actually honor your own arguments?


Nobody is forcing "loveless" couples to remain together. Though our current safety net structure forces loving couples to separate. We know children from single parent homes suffer from a whole spectrum of problems, from learning to behavioral.

Actually, that's exactly what Shaps is eluding to, the destruction of the stereotypical two parent household. To /qualify/ for services, you have to meet income thresholds for federal programs and for TANF benefits if there is a two parent household one parent is required to actively seek work. From your replies to the other thread, it seemed like you supported able bodied work requirements. Are you now saying you feel families are so desperate to seek cash assistance they're required to split up? I can tell you, that is not reality.

[rolfard]

So, the Department of Labor has a database which lists the types of products from different countries that /may/ be the result of child or exploitative labor, do you consult it every time you're shopping in person or online? Whenever you're hunting down that Made in the USA label, do you bother to check to see if materials or parts were sourced from these countries? Or are you one of those hypocrites that loves to talk about a problem but not actually honor your own argument.


That was a sad read,
https://www.dol.gov/agencies/ilab/reports/child-labor/list-of-goods

[Tgo01]

"I'm here with my senior adviser and boy who knows Louisiana very, very well and New Orleans, Cedric Richmond," Biden said at a press briefing with FEMA after Hurricane Ida rocked Louisiana.

The "boy" in question is black.

But you all knew how racist Biden was when you voted for him so I highly doubt you'll care about this.

[Seran]

As political gaffs go, that was a doozy.

[Neveragain]

So, the Department of Labor has a database which lists the types of products from different countries that /may/ be the result of child or exploitative labor, do you consult it every time you're shopping in person or online? Whenever you're hunting down that Made in the USA label, do you bother to check to see if materials or parts were sourced from these countries? Or are you one of those hypocrites that loves to talk about a problem but not actually honor your own arguments?



Actually, that's exactly what Shaps is eluding to, the destruction of the stereotypical two parent household. To /qualify/ for services, you have to meet income thresholds for federal programs and for TANF benefits if there is a two parent household one parent is required to actively seek work. From your replies to the other thread, it seemed like you supported able bodied work requirements. Are you now saying you feel families are so desperate to seek cash assistance they're required to split up? I can tell you, that is not reality.

I'm not the one calling these corporations progressive. I actually support trade embargos with countries that don't meet our countries standard of society. With your statement of "progressive companies" is you being ok with slavery as long as it's not in your backyard.

I'm saying that the structuring of our safety net encourages single parent families. The numbers don't lie, there is no "feel" to it.

[Shaps]

Without the government "being in the way" we'd still have small children working in coal mines and smelters would be dumping their byproducts into our drinking water supply. Men and women both would all be making slave labor wages sixteen hours a day, 7 days a week. No, big government has enforced fairness in the workplace and progressive corporations like Walmart, Amazon, Costco and a large number of the big banks are placing their lowest high wage scale into actual living wages. Everything you said champions the idea of getting out of the way of exploitation. The labor market is facing a massive upheaval ON IT'S OWN and being forced to offer living wages. Yes, prices will increase marginally to compensate and they will be forced to become more efficient, but so what, this is also what happens in a free market.

You're sitting here trying to argue both sides of the coin and failing at both by trying to cherry pick from my argument without really understanding what it is you're reading. Corporations /should/ pay higher taxes, as should those making middle six figure salaries. The non-cash earnings scam being perpetuated by corporate America should also be curtailed by taxing the stock at it's market value and then taxing or refunding the gain/loss when it's actually sold. These simple tax changes are being fought bitterly by your Republican vultures and looters. But you clearly think the amorality of society is solely based upon the failure to curtail the size of our government, forcing loveless couples to remain together for the sake of a foolish idealism around two parent households.

From what you said here, we're almost saying the same thing - but from different sides of the road/perspective.

The Government is supposed to ensure that exploitation does not occur - Good.

The Government is supposed to ensure fair business and trade practices. That is why there are anti-trust and monopoly laws. - Good.

This is where the divide comes... you're arguing on one hand monopoly companies like Walmart, Amazon, Costco, etc. - just because they pay a bit higher in wages - are actually doing good (which it would seem on the face of it)... then in the same breath talk about how Corporations should pay higher taxes (which they don't). It's a PR move for them to raise worker wages, all the while earning more on the backend through tax deductions and buying off politicians.

This is my point economically... the base laws/rules/legislation is on the books to try and ensure fair business practices between individuals, businesses, and corporations. It has been distorted because of the greed/lack of principle/ineptitude of our elected leaders who no longer act as a referee/arbiter of fair practices, but rather as advocates for specific business interests. The human element of our leadership has failed us all, not the system if it were implemented fairly.

As for the "forcing loveless couples to remain together for foolish idealism"... it's not about idealism... it's about how/what's best to raise a child. The statistics are conclusive on this matter. A child raised in a two parent home, statistically, have much better outcomes than those that do not. That's not me promoting some "idealism", that's cold hard fact. If you want to fight against all of human evolution, all of the statistics, and all of the natural inclinations of humans with regards to their children... then that's on you.

Why is it so wrong to promote the hopeful, and helpful, perspective of if you and your partner love each other and wish to be together... and a child is involved... it is good to work towards the goal of staying together... not only for themselves, but for the health of the child. That's a bad outlook? That's some "foolish idealism"?

I'll be a fool then, and try to believe in the better half of humanity. Doesn't mean I don't see the selfishness, depravity, and weakness of the human condition. But statistics bear out what happens when one way of life is accepted over another. Just how it is.

[rolfard]

From what you said here, we're almost saying the same thing - but from different sides of the road/perspective.

The Government is supposed to ensure that exploitation does not occur - Good.

The Government is supposed to ensure fair business and trade practices. That is why there are anti-trust and monopoly laws. - Good.

This is where the divide comes... you're arguing on one hand monopoly companies like Walmart, Amazon, Costco, etc. - just because they pay a bit higher in wages - are actually doing good (which it would seem on the face of it)... then in the same breath talk about how Corporations should pay higher taxes (which they don't). It's a PR move for them to raise worker wages, all the while earning more on the backend through tax deductions and buying off politicians.

This is my point economically... the base laws/rules/legislation is on the books to try and ensure fair business practices between individuals, businesses, and corporations. It has been distorted because of the greed/lack of principle/ineptitude of our elected leaders who no longer act as a referee/arbiter of fair practices, but rather as advocates for specific business interests. The human element of our leadership has failed us all, not the system if it were implemented fairly.

As for the "forcing loveless couples to remain together for foolish idealism"... it's not about idealism... it's about how/what's best to raise a child. The statistics are conclusive on this matter. A child raised in a two parent home, statistically, have much better outcomes than those that do not. That's not me promoting some "idealism", that's cold hard fact. If you want to fight against all of human evolution, all of the statistics, and all of the natural inclinations of humans with regards to their children... then that's on you.

Why is it so wrong to promote the hopeful, and helpful, perspective of if you and your partner love each other and wish to be together... and a child is involved... it is good to work towards the goal of staying together... not only for themselves, but for the health of the child. That's a bad outlook? That's some "foolish idealism"?

I'll be a fool then, and try to believe in the better half of humanity. Doesn't mean I don't see the selfishness, depravity, and weakness of the human condition. But statistics bear out what happens when one way of life is accepted over another. Just how it is.

Recent studies show children raised in a loveless home "for the benefit of the child" have more unintended consequences than expected. While statistics may indicate children in two parent homes do better, that doesn't actually show how a bad marriage can have more bad than good happen to the child.

Here's one (of many) recent articles on the matter;

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/when-kids-call-the-shots/201703/why-bad-marriages-are-worse-kids-divorce

Statistics don't always provide the whole story, for example statistically you'll never die from food poison if you never eat food. It's 100 percent true.

[Shaps]

Recent studies show children raised in a loveless home "for the benefit of the child" have more unintended consequences than expected. While statistics may indicate children in two parent homes do better, that doesn't actually show how a bad marriage can have more bad than good happen to the child.

Here's one (of many) recent articles on the matter;

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/when-kids-call-the-shots/201703/why-bad-marriages-are-worse-kids-divorce

Statistics don't always provide the whole story, for example statistically you'll never die from food poison if you never eat food. It's 100 percent true.

Good point.

Both can be true.

Doesn't mean society should promote, encourage, or advocate for the dissolution of two parent households. It's not a bad thing to promote healthy relationships, sacrifice, and understanding between people. It's not a bad thing for people to understand that their own selfish inclinations must be moderated some if they willingly enter into a relationship, and a child is involved. It's not a bad thing to promote the hope that two parents will stay together and give a better chance of an outcome to their child.

That doesn't mean that your statement is false. That doesn't mean that single parents can not succeed and give their child a wonderful life. That doesn't mean people should be so unhappy in a situation, they must remain in it.

It only means that promoting positive relationships, stability, and hope for the best situations for children should not be denigrated.

A bad situation is a bad situation - in single or two parent homes - doesn't matter. Doesn't take away from the overwhelming fact that those raised in two parent households tend to do better in life. Just what it is. Doesn't mean there aren't outliers/other situations like you present.

[Gelston]

Recent studies show children raised in a loveless home "for the benefit of the child" have more unintended consequences than expected. While statistics may indicate children in two parent homes do better, that doesn't actually show how a bad marriage can have more bad than good happen to the child.

Here's one (of many) recent articles on the matter;

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/when-kids-call-the-shots/201703/why-bad-marriages-are-worse-kids-divorce

Statistics don't always provide the whole story, for example statistically you'll never die from food poison if you never eat food. It's 100 percent true.

It normalizes bad relationships for children. They see their parents acts a certain way towards each other and they think that is the norm.

[Taernath]

Hey, shut the fuck up about whatever you're arguing about and post funny political stuff.

https://i.imgur.com/Db2wX4q.jpg

[Shaps]

Hey, shut the fuck up about whatever you're arguing about and post funny political stuff.

https://i.imgur.com/Db2wX4q.jpg

Yea it's pretty obvious if halfway semi-conscious. People like feeding their ego though, and really think that their efforts are justified. The 20% of insane people fucking over the normal 80%. They say humans learn, we don't. Humans will always human.

[Jeril]

Yea it's pretty obvious if halfway semi-conscious. People like feeding their ego though, and really think that their efforts are justified. The 20% of insane people fucking over the normal 80%. They say humans learn, we don't. Humans will always human.

It's probably less than 20% of people who are actually profiting from this. Those 20% you speak of are just tools.

[Shaps]

It's probably less than 20% of people who are actually profiting from this. Those 20% you speak of are just tools.

Haha fair enough. I usually give 10% of crazy to both sides, and put the normal folk in the middle.

[Shaps]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/fact-focus-trump-others-wrong-223416846.html

The downplaying is going to start. Watch for the spin.

"Though no one knows the exact value of the U.S.-supplied Afghan equipment the Taliban have secured, defense officials have confirmed it is significant."

Not saying it is or isn't. But "fact-checking" something when "no one knows" is a little funny. Definitely not worth a full page article.

[Tgo01]

Illinois Democrats are already gerrymandering the shit out of their state since they lost a seat.

I'm sure we'll see all Democrats who bitch and moan about gerrymandering be all over this story.

Oh wait...no...they only care when Republicans gerrymander. Carry on then!

[Parkbandit]

Illinois Democrats are already gerrymandering the shit out of their state since they lost a seat.

I'm sure we'll see all Democrats who bitch and moan about gerrymandering be all over this story.

Oh wait...no...they only care when Republicans gerrymander. Carry on then!

OMGOMGOMGOMG TH3Y ARE SETT1NG TRUMP UP 2 WIN 1N 2024!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Tgo01]

Talk about a big laugh.

The DOJ is "warning" states about gerrymandering and that they will "go after" any state that violates the principles of "one person, one vote."

Yeah, sure. I predict that amazingly the Department of "Justice" will only "go after" Republican run states while miraculously Democrat states do everything by the books.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I'd totally get behind a Desantis/Crenshaw ticket.

[Shaps]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/fact-focus-trump-others-wrong-223416846.html

The downplaying is going to start. Watch for the spin.

"Though no one knows the exact value of the U.S.-supplied Afghan equipment the Taliban have secured, defense officials have confirmed it is significant."

Not saying it is or isn't. But "fact-checking" something when "no one knows" is a little funny. Definitely not worth a full page article.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/state-department-urged-agencies-remove-221100398.html

Bit of a side update.

They take it down after years for the "safety" of their Afghan partners? ROFL

That information has been available forever. HAHAHA

Fucking just covering it up. Pathetic.

[~Rocktar~]

Speaking of science denying, I bet this is one of those "lactating males" that time4muderouslying was talking about.

https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/p526x296/238856996_133634812317033_3216174330295999748_n.jp g?_nc_cat=103&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=825194&_nc_ohc=O8qULeEOg-8AX8ThBl0&_nc_ht=scontent-atl3-1.xx&oh=0d2cf2b951879f8277ed01ecde17c7e3&oe=6157B7D5

[Ashliana]

Speaking of science denying, I bet this is one of those "lactating males" that time4muderouslying was talking about.

https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/p526x296/238856996_133634812317033_3216174330295999748_n.jp g?_nc_cat=103&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=825194&_nc_ohc=O8qULeEOg-8AX8ThBl0&_nc_ht=scontent-atl3-1.xx&oh=0d2cf2b951879f8277ed01ecde17c7e3&oe=6157B7D5

We didn't need to see your selfie.

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/001/940/347/125.jpg

[~Rocktar~]

We didn't need to see your selfie.

Not my selfie and my moobs are a lot smaller since I have lost 140.5 pounds. Fuck off retard thing.

[Ashliana]

Not my selfie and my moobs are a lot smaller since I have lost 140.5 pounds. Fuck off retard thing.

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/001/940/347/125.jpg

[Bhaalizmo]

Not my selfie and my moobs are a lot smaller since I have lost 140.5 pounds. Fuck off retard thing.

You've gotta be close to getting under tree fitty by now. Good job.

[~Rocktar~]

You've gotta be close to getting under tree fitty by now. Good job.

And your IQ still isn't above 89.

[Tgo01]

The "independent" commission in Colorado is also gerrymandering the fuck out of the electoral map to help Democrats. I'm sure Democrats will be bitching about this any minute now........any minute............

[drauz]

The "independent" commission in Colorado is also gerrymandering the fuck out of the electoral map to help Democrats. I'm sure Democrats will be bitching about this any minute now........any minute............

Source for this claim?

[Tgo01]

Source for this claim?

Sure here you go. (https://www.denverpost.com/2021/09/03/colorado-commission-releases-new-congressional-map-proposal/)

[drauz]

Sure here you go. (https://www.denverpost.com/2021/09/03/colorado-commission-releases-new-congressional-map-proposal/)

So they don't like how it's going? Well it must be rigged just like the last election amirite!

It's 12 members, 4 Republicans, 4 Democrats, and 4 Independent. I don't see anything in there that makes it blatantly one sided, both sides got a little something and lost a little something.

[Tgo01]

So they don't like how it's going? Well it must be rigged just like the last election amirite!

It's 12 members, 4 Republicans, 4 Democrats, and 4 Independent. I don't see anything in there that makes it blatantly one sided, both sides got a little something and lost a little something.

Did you actually read or understand the article? Oh right, you think a poor family of four spending 5k on masks a year is "cheap" so you're probably just confused.

Here let me help you out:

8 total districts
4 are safe for Democrats
3 are safe for Republicans
1 is a so called "swing" district which voted almost 2% in Democrats' favor in last election

2% is fucking huge in most elections, even in elections where one candidate is considered to be "safe" they sometimes barely win by 2 points.

So they are eliminating a current Republican House seat which is a safe Republican House seat and merging the district into the solidly blue district, most likely turning the state into a 5-3 Democrat majority.

Oh yes, this is perfectly balanced and "bipartisan"!

[Tgo01]

What's really funny is the original proposed map "favored" Republicans slightly by most likely turning the state into a 4-4, you know an even split. Democrats raged hell and demanded a change and they got it! And they STILL want more! Apparently "fair" in Democrat land is 7-1 in Democrats favor.

[Seran]

Sure here you go. (https://www.denverpost.com/2021/09/03/colorado-commission-releases-new-congressional-map-proposal/)

Those filthy nonpartisan commissions, how dare they have an equal number of Republicans, Democrats and Independents. Don't they know that anything that isn't totalling staffed by Republicans is stealing elections! All this fake news trying to spin a completely balanced commissions as anything but a massive conspiracy.

[Seran]

What's really funny is the original proposed map "favored" Republicans slightly by most likely turning the state into a 4-4, you know an even split. Democrats raged hell and demanded a change and they got it! And they STILL want more! Apparently "fair" in Democrat land is 7-1 in Democrats favor.

What's worse, whine whine whine, is how an invalid map which was that the so-called nonpartisan commission was forced to follow a 2018 Colorado Law to draw a new map per the census. Stop the steal days Dreaven!

[Tgo01]

Those filthy nonpartisan commissions, how dare they have an equal number of Republicans, Democrats and Independents. Don't they know that anything that isn't totalling staffed by Republicans is stealing elections! All this fake news trying to spin a completely balanced commissions as anything but a massive conspiracy.

Right, because there is no way an "Independent" couldn't really be a Democrat, as evidenced by an eight district state being divided up into 5 Democrat seats and 3 Republican seats. Remember drauz himself laughably claims to be an independent and yet he's more far left then even some of the Democrats on the forum.

Gee how did I know Democrats would bitch, moan, whine, complain, and carry on that Republican states gerrymander but when Democrat states do the exact same shit it's just excuse, deflection, and general not-giving-a-single-shit attitude.

I love exposing hypocrites, and I caught two big ones!

[drauz]

Gee how did I know Democrats would bitch, moan, whine, complain, and carry on that Republican states gerrymander but when Democrat states do the exact same shit it's just excuse, deflection, and general not-giving-a-single-shit attitude.

I love exposing hypocrites, and I caught two big ones!

You're not smart enough to see the difference between an independent commission and whoever controls the state gov't making the maps? Yikes.

[Seran]

You're not smart enough to see the difference between an independent commission and whoever controls the state gov't making the maps? Yikes.

Evidently not. Dreaven's reached that point of such severe partisanship that his realty filter has lost all ability to rationalize bias. Imagine being so conspiracy minded that you're unable to perceive the world as it truly is. Honestly I pity him.

[Tgo01]

You both exposed yourselves to be giant hypocrites. Just admit I owned you and move on already.

Gosh.

[Tgo01]

You're not smart enough to see the difference between an independent commission and whoever controls the state gov't making the maps? Yikes.

Like an "independent" commission can't be biased or something? Yeah okay Mr. 5k a year on masks is cheap.

So let me see if I understand your current dumbassery correctly:

Gerrymander by state legislature = bad
Gerrymander by an "independent" commission = good

The "independent" commission has already massively changed the districts based on whining from Democrats, that's anything but "independent" and if you really cared about an "independent" commission you would be pissed that elected officials are trying to sway the commission to go one way or another, but you're not pissed because again you're a giant hypocrite.

State legislatures should be the ones who draw up maps because they are directly responsible to voters and if voters don't like what they are doing they can vote them out of office and replace them. Why would you want an un-elected "independent" commission?

[Seran]

You both exposed yourselves to be giant hypocrites. Just admit I owned you and move on already.

Gosh.

There's that disconnect from reality again. Dude inserts his skewed political opinion what what's proven fact and data. This Trump Derangement Syndrome hopefully fades over time.

[Tgo01]

There's that disconnect from reality again. Dude inserts his skewed political opinion what what's proven fact and data. This Trump Derangement Syndrome hopefully fades over time.

Explain to me again how an "independent" commission eliminates a safe Republican seat and turns 8 districts into 5-3 with a Democrat advantage. I'll wait.

[drauz]

Explain to me again how an "independent" commission eliminates a safe Republican seat and turns 8 districts into 5-3 with a Democrat advantage. I'll wait.

It could be from the census data since that's the new information they received to make this first draft of a map.

You don't know everything that goes into making the district lines and neither do I. Only difference is that you jump to "it must nefarious cause Republicans got it a little worse" and I don't.

[drauz]

Like an "independent" commission can't be biased or something? Yeah okay Mr. 5k a year on masks is cheap.

I never said that, I said it as way cheaper than the 25k a year you thought they cost. You just can't help but lie.


So let me see if I understand your current dumbassery correctly:

Gerrymander by state legislature = bad
Gerrymander by an "independent" commission = good

The "independent" commission has already massively changed the districts based on whining from Democrats, that's anything but "independent" and if you really cared about an "independent" commission you would be pissed that elected officials are trying to sway the commission to go one way or another, but you're not pissed because again you're a giant hypocrite.

Where is the gerrymandering? Where is this proof that Democrats swayed the commision to get the districts changed to this?

You not liking how things turned out isn't proof of gerrymandering.

[Methais]

I never said that, I said it as way cheaper than the 25k a year you thought they cost. You just can't help but lie.



Where is the gerrymandering? Where is this proof that Democrats swayed the commision to get the districts changed to this?

You not liking how things turned out isn't proof of gerrymandering.

It's too bad Backlash isn't here. He's an expert on gerrymandering.

[Tgo01]

It could be from the census data since that's the new information they received to make this first draft of a map.

The census just says how many people live in the areas and how many seats the states gets, it has absolutely no bearing on where the boundaries are drawn.

[Tgo01]

I never said that, I said it as way cheaper than the 25k a year you thought they cost. You just can't help but lie.



Where is the gerrymandering? Where is this proof that Democrats swayed the commision to get the districts changed to this?

You not liking how things turned out isn't proof of gerrymandering.

The gerrymandering is eliminating a safe Republican seat and creating a 5-3 Democrat advantage. What exactly do you think gerrymandering is?

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

It's too bad Backlash isn't here. He's an expert on gerrymandering.

Backrash quit again, or is just posting using a new handle?

[drauz]

The gerrymandering is eliminating a safe Republican seat and creating a 5-3 Democrat advantage. What exactly do you think gerrymandering is?

People voted for it.

https://ballotpedia.org/Colorado_Amendment_Y,_Independent_Commission_for_C ongressional_Redistricting_Amendment_(2018)

[Tgo01]

People voted for it.

https://ballotpedia.org/Colorado_Amendment_Y,_Independent_Commission_for_C ongressional_Redistricting_Amendment_(2018)

They voted for a committee, not for a committee to gerrymander. Just call it out like you would if this were a Republican state doing it.

[drauz]

They voted for a committee, not for a committee to gerrymander. Just call it out like you would if this were a Republican state doing it.


Shall there be an amendment to the Colorado constitution concerning a change to the way that congressional districts are drawn, and, in connection therewith, taking the duty to draw congressional districts away from the state legislature and giving it to an independent commission, composed of twelve citizens who possess specified qualifications; prohibiting any one political party's control of the commission by requiring that one-third of commissioners will not be affiliated with any political party, one-third of the commissioners will be affiliated with the state's largest political party, and one-third of the commissioners will be affiliated with the state's second largest political party; prohibiting certain persons, including professional lobbyists, federal campaign committee employees, and federal, state, and local elected officials, from serving on the commission; limiting judicial review of a map to a determination by the supreme court of whether the commission or its nonpartisan staff committed an abuse of discretion; requiring the commission to draw districts with a focus on communities of interest and political subdivisions, such as cities and counties, and then to maximize the number of competitive congressional seats to the extent possible; and prohibiting maps from being drawn to dilute the electoral influence of any racial or ethnic group or to protect any incumbent, any political candidate, or any political party?

It was a little more than just the committee.

[Methais]

Backrash quit again, or is just posting using a new handle?

He shows up now and then, posts stupid things, and then fucks off again.

[Shaps]

It was a little more than just the committee.

Just going off what you posted from the information - couple things jump out.

1. I'm not sure how having only 12 people in charge of it is any better. To few, to easy to corrupt, to little oversight.
2. This is the big one for me - "limiting judicial review of a map to a determination by the supreme court of whether the commission or its nonpartisan staff committed an abuse of discretion".

That is a glaring red flag, if I'm reading the legalese correctly. Limiting the judicial oversight to ensure no abuses occur? Seems extremely suspect.
Also "they voted on it" doesn't mean shit half the time, because no one ever reads what's in it. They just hear the name it's given and repeated.

Rest looks okay for the most part. But that oversight clause, and only 12 people wielding the power, is just asking for issues down the line.

I can only speak for when I lived in Colorado - first lived there was amazing... then over 5 years Denver (and by proxy Colorado Springs) turned to utter shit riddled with trash, homelessness, and failing businesses. Was sad to watch.

Hopefully it's improved, but no idea.

[drauz]

Just going off what you posted from the information - couple things jump out.

1. I'm not sure how having only 12 people in charge of it is any better. To few, to easy to corrupt, to little oversight.
2. This is the big one for me - "limiting judicial review of a map to a determination by the supreme court of whether the commission or its nonpartisan staff committed an abuse of discretion".

That is a glaring red flag, if I'm reading the legalese correctly. Limiting the judicial oversight to ensure no abuses occur? Seems extremely suspect.
Also "they voted on it" doesn't mean shit half the time, because no one ever reads what's in it. They just hear the name it's given and repeated.

Rest looks okay for the most part. But that oversight clause, and only 12 people wielding the power, is just asking for issues down the line.

I can only speak for when I lived in Colorado - first lived there was amazing... then over 5 years Denver (and by proxy Colorado Springs) turned to utter shit riddled with trash, homelessness, and failing businesses. Was sad to watch.

Hopefully it's improved, but no idea.

It was also a bi-partisan amendment.

[Methais]

https://i.imgur.com/ncLch8j.png

[Tgo01]

https://i.imgur.com/ncLch8j.png

I laughed.

[Methais]

https://i.imgur.com/8m3rHIt.png (https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-58462511)

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-58462511

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

so true
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E-c-WJbWQAckuCk?format=jpg&name=medium

[Neveragain]

Milwaukee alderwoman Chantia Lewis charged with campaign finance fraud


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5r4SCwZxPk

[Seran]

Without the government "being in the way" we'd still have small children working in coal mines and smelters would be dumping their byproducts into our drinking water supply. Men and women both would all be making slave labor wages sixteen hours a day, 7 days a week. No, big government has enforced fairness in the workplace and progressive corporations like Walmart, Amazon, Costco and a large number of the big banks are placing their lowest high wage scale into actual living wages. Everything you said champions the idea of getting out of the way of exploitation. The labor market is facing a massive upheaval ON IT'S OWN and being forced to offer living wages. Yes, prices will increase marginally to compensate and they will be forced to become more efficient, but so what, this is also what happens in a free market.

You're sitting here trying to argue both sides of the coin and failing at both by trying to cherry pick from my argument without really understanding what it is you're reading. Corporations /should/ pay higher taxes, as should those making middle six figure salaries. The non-cash earnings scam being perpetuated by corporate America should also be curtailed by taxing the stock at it's market value and then taxing or refunding the gain/loss when it's actually sold. These simple tax changes are being fought bitterly by your Republican vultures and looters. But you clearly think the amorality of society is solely based upon the failure to curtail the size of our government, forcing loveless couples to remain together for the sake of a foolish idealism around two parent households.

Big 'ole meany Amazon on top of offering wages double the federal minimum wage and outstripping the minimum wage set by any state is now offering enrollment in bachelors degree programs as another work incentive. For all the shrieking Republicans do to convey their Amazon hate, the company is providing better lives for its customer's and unparalleled career opportunities for its employees.

Really starting to think the Right hates these Lefty ran companies because they've exposed just how massively companies like Amazon with these programs will contribute to the growth of the middle class. Conservatives just hate it when mom and pop businesses can't hire enough minimum wage workers to exploit to run their inefficient shops. Mayhaps their trying to destroy the USPS through Dejoy under the Trump Administration was to curtail the post office delivering inexpensive goods that'd normally be way overpriced locally.


Amazon Inc on Thursday said it is expanding its educational benefits by offering more than 750,000 U.S. hourly employees the chance to enroll in a fully paid bachelor’s degree program after 90 days of employment. The e-commerce giant said employees will be eligible to get degrees through educational institutions nationwide.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/amazon-dangles-a-new-perk-in-fight-for-u-s-workers-free-bachelors-degrees-11631197800

[Methais]

Big 'ole meany Amazon on top of offering wages double the federal minimum wage and outstripping the minimum wage set by any state is now offering enrollment in bachelors degree programs as another work incentive. For all the shrieking Republicans do to convey their Amazon hate, the company is providing better lives for its customer's and unparalleled career opportunities for its employees.

Really starting to think the Right hates these Lefty ran companies because they've exposed just how massively companies like Amazon with these programs will contribute to the growth of the middle class. Conservatives just hate it when mom and pop businesses can't hire enough minimum wage workers to exploit to run their inefficient shops. Mayhaps their trying to destroy the USPS through Dejoy under the Trump Administration was to curtail the post office delivering inexpensive goods that'd normally be way overpriced locally.



https://www.wsj.com/articles/amazon-dangles-a-new-perk-in-fight-for-u-s-workers-free-bachelors-degrees-11631197800

Speaking of Amazon...remember this?

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Celebrated Amazon Pulling Out of New York––But the Governor Says It Cost the City 25,000 Jobs (https://time.com/5530386/aoc-amazon-new-york-hq2/)



https://i.imgur.com/t30vF7e.jpg


I'm sure you'll find some way to decide that she was a republican for a day or something.

[Neveragain]

Big 'ole meany Amazon on top of offering wages double the federal minimum wage and outstripping the minimum wage set by any state is now offering enrollment in bachelors degree programs as another work incentive. For all the shrieking Republicans do to convey their Amazon hate, the company is providing better lives for its customer's and unparalleled career opportunities for its employees.

Really starting to think the Right hates these Lefty ran companies because they've exposed just how massively companies like Amazon with these programs will contribute to the growth of the middle class. Conservatives just hate it when mom and pop businesses can't hire enough minimum wage workers to exploit to run their inefficient shops. Mayhaps their trying to destroy the USPS through Dejoy under the Trump Administration was to curtail the post office delivering inexpensive goods that'd normally be way overpriced locally.



https://www.wsj.com/articles/amazon-dangles-a-new-perk-in-fight-for-u-s-workers-free-bachelors-degrees-11631197800

You keep ignoring that all the products are coming from a country that does exactly what you complain about. Cut off the ability to trade with those countries and wages would be far greater than $15.00 an hour. You're fine with slavery as long as it's not in your back yard.

[Tgo01]

For all the shrieking Republicans do to convey their Amazon hate

That's weird because I mostly see Democrats bitching about Amazon. Do you just read news articles and are like "Huh...I actually disagree with Democrats here...oh well! I'll just say it's Republicans doing it!!!"

[Seran]

You keep ignoring that all the products are coming from a country that does exactly what you complain about. Cut off the ability to trade with those countries and wages would be far greater than $15.00 an hour. You're fine with slavery as long as it's not in your back yard.

Interesting moral smokescreen you've got there. You never did answer how you ensure that you don't benefit from materials or products that saw any underpaid, underprivileged or enforced labor. Even the United States enforces work release or prisoner's being assigned to community benefit projects to offset their cost of housing. Let's hold other countries to an ideal that we also follow, until then you're just hypocrite.

[Seran]

That's weird because I mostly see Democrats bitching about Amazon. Do you just read news articles and are like "Huh...I actually disagree with Democrats here...oh well! I'll just say it's Republicans doing it!!!"

And yet it's a majority of registered Republicans who feel Amazon has hurt small business and a majority of registered Republicans who feel Amazon's business has hurt the financial stability of the United States Postal Service. Despite the known fact Amazon's business is an actual profit center for the USPS. Are you now going to deny that Trump and his cronies attack Bezos, that the Republican minority has tried to press legislation to force the post office to change how it does business with Amazon? I'd hope not, because you'd be a liar.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Big 'ole meany Amazon on top of offering wages double the federal minimum wage and outstripping the minimum wage set by any state is now offering enrollment in bachelors degree programs as another work incentive. For all the shrieking Republicans do to convey their Amazon hate, the company is providing better lives for its customer's and unparalleled career opportunities for its employees.

Really starting to think the Right hates these Lefty ran companies because they've exposed just how massively companies like Amazon with these programs will contribute to the growth of the middle class. Conservatives just hate it when mom and pop businesses can't hire enough minimum wage workers to exploit to run their inefficient shops. Mayhaps their trying to destroy the USPS through Dejoy under the Trump Administration was to curtail the post office delivering inexpensive goods that'd normally be way overpriced locally.



https://www.wsj.com/articles/amazon-dangles-a-new-perk-in-fight-for-u-s-workers-free-bachelors-degrees-11631197800

I thought it was the libs that hated Amazon?

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

And yet it's a majority of registered Republicans who feel Amazon has hurt small business and a majority of registered Republicans who feel Amazon's business has hurt the financial stability of the United States Postal Service. Despite the known fact Amazon's business is an actual profit center for the USPS. Are you now going to deny that Trump and his cronies attack Bezos, that the Republican minority has tried to press legislation to force the post office to change how it does business with Amazon? I'd hope not, because you'd be a liar.

I honestly am unaware of this stance. Can you source the claims in your first sentence?

[Alfster]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/mar/31/trump-amazon-us-postal-service-tweets

This is about all I can find, personally. Some tweets basically, so it looks more like Trump hated bezos, which was well known. Haven't been able to find anything about conservatives beliefs in regard to it.

Trump stopped hating bezos right around when AOC pushed them out of town.

[Seran]

I honestly am unaware of this stance. Can you source the claims in your first sentence?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2018/06/26/a-trump-attack-on-amazon-that-divides-wealthy-democrats-republicans.html

https://spectrem.com/BrowseByQuery.aspx?Page=inthenews

[Tgo01]

And yet it's a majority of registered Republicans who feel Amazon has hurt small business and a majority of registered Republicans who feel Amazon's business has hurt the financial stability of the United States Postal Service. Despite the known fact Amazon's business is an actual profit center for the USPS. Are you now going to deny that Trump and his cronies attack Bezos, that the Republican minority has tried to press legislation to force the post office to change how it does business with Amazon? I'd hope not, because you'd be a liar.

Lol so Republicans answer a poll in which they think Amazon has hurt small business, that’s totally the same as AOC, Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, and many other Democrats constantly bitching about Amazon’s business practices, labor practices, and how much taxes they pay.

[Methais]

Lol so Republicans answer a poll in which they think Amazon has hurt small business, that’s totally the same as AOC, Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, and many other Democrats constantly bitching about Amazon’s business practices, labor practices, and how much taxes they pay.

Seran becomes Seranpk more and more each day.

[Neveragain]

Interesting moral smokescreen you've got there. You never did answer how you ensure that you don't benefit from materials or products that saw any underpaid, underprivileged or enforced labor. Even the United States enforces work release or prisoner's being assigned to community benefit projects to offset their cost of housing. Let's hold other countries to an ideal that we also follow, until then you're just hypocrite.

You vote for people that don't want to do business with those countries. Like Trump.

[Parkbandit]

I personally love Amazon and am impressed by Jeff Bezos and what he has created.

He made himself the richest man on the planet.

[Seran]

You vote for people that don't want to do business with those countries. Like Trump.

Whoops, except Trump not only does business in China per his tax filings. Not to mention the Trump Organization does PLENTY of business with Chyna. Sorry, your hypocrisy is still pretty stagnant.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/trump-owned-properties-imported-more-than-8-tons-of-chinese-goods-2020-7%3famp

[Parkbandit]

Whoops, except Trump not only does business in China per his tax filings. Not to mention the Trump Organization does PLENTY of business with Chyna. Sorry, your hypocrisy is still pretty stagnant.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/trump-owned-properties-imported-more-than-8-tons-of-chinese-goods-2020-7%3famp

He has really, really hurt you.. hasn't he Cupcake.

You're going to be "ok"... not by normal standards by any means.. but by Seran The Trump standards.

[Seran]

He has really, really hurt you.. hasn't he Cupcake.

You're going to be "ok"... not by normal standards by any means.. but by Seran The Trump standards.

Wow, I thought someone said you died. Zombie!

[Seran]

Lol so Republicans answer a poll in which they think Amazon has hurt small business, that’s totally the same as AOC, Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, and many other Democrats constantly bitching about Amazon’s business practices, labor practices, and how much taxes they pay.

You throw out names like they're some sort of magic spell to give your arguments credibility. Does it irk you to never have facts or information to back up your ridiculous claims? I know you think someone posting a random handful of sentences on Twitter is the same as documented evidence, but no, that's not how that works.

On the flip side, I made an argument and supported it. You gonna do a mea culpa now about your actual motivations?

[Methais]

You throw out names like they're some sort of magic spell to give your arguments credibility. Does it irk you to never have facts or information to back up your ridiculous claims? I know you think someone posting a random handful of sentences on Twitter is the same as documented evidence, but no, that's not how that works.

On the flip side, I made an argument and supported it. You gonna do a mea culpa now about your actual motivations?

https://i.gifer.com/Ksqj.gif

[Tgo01]

You throw out names like they're some sort of magic spell to give your arguments credibility.

You have a weird way of arguing your points lately.

"LOL! You cite some random person!"

"LOL! You cite some high profile named people! LOL!"

Meanwhile you cite some random poll that apparently no one but you had even heard of and you probably went scouring the net to find the poll, and you think this proves your lame argument that Republicans are "shrieking" their "hate" towards Amazon.

[Neveragain]

Whoops, except Trump not only does business in China per his tax filings. Not to mention the Trump Organization does PLENTY of business with Chyna. Sorry, your hypocrisy is still pretty stagnant.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/trump-owned-properties-imported-more-than-8-tons-of-chinese-goods-2020-7%3famp

Yet he started placing tariffs on them.

[Alfster]

Yet he started placing tariffs on them.

Which lead to a huge rise in socialism.

Or what do we call that when the government pays farmers for products they throw away? Communism?

[Neveragain]

Which lead to a huge rise in socialism.

Or what do we call that when the government pays farmers for products they throw away? Communism?

So slavery is good?

[Seran]

You have a weird way of arguing your points lately.

"LOL! You cite some random person!"

"LOL! You cite some high profile named people! LOL!"

Meanwhile you cite some random poll that apparently no one but you had even heard of and you probably went scouring the net to find the poll, and you think this proves your lame argument that Republicans are "shrieking" their "hate" towards Amazon.

Yeah, so it's clear you don't understand the difference between an opinion or a study. One is just an asshole saying something, the other is gathering data to infer a conclusion. If you'd graduated the 8th grade you'd understand that Billy Joe

[Tgo01]

Yeah, so it's clear you don't understand the difference between an opinion or a study. One is just an asshole saying something, the other is gathering data to infer a conclusion. If you'd graduated the 8th grade you'd understand that Billy Joe

You cited a survey, not a study. You do realize a survey is just the gathering of opinions right?

Just stop, you are completely embarrassing yourself.

[Seran]

You cited a survey, not a study. You do realize a survey is just the gathering of opinions right?

Just stop, you are completely embarrassing yourself.

I'm sure there's plenty of people in the field of psychology and sociology that would disagree with your ignorant assessment of the major tool of their field. The political science majors and politicians would probably think you were a backwards hick to think that large sampling opinion polls aren't important scientific research

[Tgo01]

I'm sure there's plenty of people in the field of psychology and sociology that would disagree with your ignorant assessment of the major tool of their field.

I'm sure those people would 100% agree with me that referring to a survey as a "study" is very wrong.

[Parkbandit]

Wow, I thought someone said you died. Zombie!

OMG GOOD ONE?

[Parkbandit]

I'm sure there's plenty of people in the field of psychology and sociology that would disagree with your ignorant assessment of the major tool of their field. The political science majors and politicians would probably think you were a backwards hick to think that large sampling opinion polls aren't important scientific research

Polls are always very, very accurate.

[drauz]

https://www.cleveland.com/open/2021/09/ohio-republicans-unveil-new-state-legislative-maps-preserving-gop-statehouse-supermajority-despite-anti-gerrymandering-rules.html

Lets see if Tgo has the same concerns about gerrymandering.

[Neveragain]

https://www.cleveland.com/open/2021/09/ohio-republicans-unveil-new-state-legislative-maps-preserving-gop-statehouse-supermajority-despite-anti-gerrymandering-rules.html

Lets see if Tgo has the same concerns about gerrymandering.

Can't read without registering.

Nope.

[Methais]

Can't read without registering.

Nope.

As soon as the page starts loading, cancel it. If you time it right the article will load up but the paywall bullshit won't, and then you can read the whole thing for free. This works with most paywalls.




COLUMBUS, Ohio -- Republican Ohio legislative leaders have proposed new state House and Senate maps that if passed, likely would award them a disproportionately large share of Ohio seats, allowing them to maintain their veto-proof majority at the Statehouse despite new rules meant to discourage partisan gerrymandering.

Hours after Senate President Matt Huffman unveiled the plan on Thursday, Republicans on the Ohio Redistricting Commission voted 5-2, with Democrats voting against, to formally introduce it.

The vote puts the maps on a path for passage next Wednesday in time for a legal deadline. The major question is whether the plan could change enough by then to gain Democratic support, which will allow the maps to last for 10 years, instead of just four years without it. Republicans said Thursday they want to seek 10-year maps, and publicly offered to work with Democrats to work to amend the plan.

If the maps don’t change significantly before they’re passed, they almost certainly will invite legal challenges from Democrats or voting-rights groups.

Ohio’s new redistricting system was passed overwhelmingly by Ohio voters in 2015 as a way to fight political gerrymandering. The new sections of the constitution include language directing the commission to seek bipartisan compromise, avoid drawing maps that unfairly benefit either party, and to proportionately award legislative seats that align with the results of recent elections.

Any lawsuit would end up before the Supreme Court, where Republicans hold a narrow 4-3 majority - although Chief Justice Maureen O’Connor, a Republican, is viewed as politically independent on the issue.

The maps released Thursday do not include U.S. congressional districts. That work will be taken up separately.

As it stands, the Ohio House and Senate maps won’t get Democratic support. The Republican plan would create districts likely to award Republicans 67 of 99 House seats and 25 of 33 Senate seats -- or around 66% in each chamber -- according to Dave’s Redistricting, a popular redistricting website that models likely outcomes based off the results of recent statewide elections.

This would be far in excess of the Republicans’ recent historical share of the vote in the state. Over the past 10 years, Republicans have won 54% of the votes in the 16 federal and non-judicial state races contested statewide over the last decade.

Under the maps used for the most recent elections, and created before the voter-approved gerrymandering reform, Republicans now control 64 House seats and 25 Senate seats. The GOP’s proposed House and Senate maps both would be less competitive and less politically representative than the current maps, according to the Dave’s Redistricting model, although the current districts were more competitive when they were first drawn in 2010, before Ohio’s increased political drift to the right.

House Speaker Bob Cupp and Senate President Matt Huffman, two commission Republicans from Lima, on Thursday took the implausible stance that they had no idea how the maps would break down politically. That’s despite two other Republicans on the commission, State Auditor Keith Faber and Secretary of State Frank LaRose, acknowledging the maps’ Republican slant, citing the analysis performed by Dave’s Redistricting.

Sen. Vernon Sykes, the lead Democrat on the commission, called Cupp and Huffman’s claims “disingenuous.” House Minority Leader Emilia Sykes, another Democrat, suggested Republicans are staking out a negotiating position by proposing an extreme map.

“This is a constitutional mandate that voters have told us not one, but twice, that they want to do something different,” she said. “And the status quo, where we see the legislative process of offering something really shocking and pulling it back marginally, that is just not going to work in this scenario.”

Further, the Republican legislative leaders also argued that language in the Ohio Constitution directing the maps to not be politically slanted was a goal, not a requirement. So in other words, they argued they aren’t forbidden from drawing heavily Republican maps if they comply with other rules limiting how cities and counties can be split.

“There are a lot of other factors in the constitution, the dividing of counties and cities, where Democrats live and where Republicans live. So it’s not just a nice tight little picture,” Huffman told reporters.

The legal deadline to approve new maps is Wednesday, Sept. 15. Cupp on Thursday announced three public hearings before then -- at 4 p.m. on Sunday in Dayton, at 4 p.m. on Monday in Cleveland and at 10 a.m. on Tuesday in Columbus. The commission will meet at 10 a.m. on Wednesday in Columbus to consider approving the map.

The commission’s Republican members are: Gov. Mike DeWine, LaRose, Faber, Cupp and Huffman. Its Democratic members are the two Sykeses, who are father and daughter and represent Akron.

In testimony to the Ohio Redistricting Commission on Thursday morning, Ray DiRossi, a Senate GOP staffer, said the maps comply with Ohio’s new geographic requirements, which limit how counties and cities can be split, and also require map makers to draw districts that are geographically compact. He did not address how many districts Republicans would be likely to win, saying staff weren’t sure when Sen. Sykes asked.

“We are conducting an analysis of the election data contemplated by the constitution. That analysis is ongoing. It is not completed by today,” DiRossi said.

DiRossi also said they didn’t analyze the number of racial minorities in each district, despite a 1986 U.S. Supreme Court decision that restricts how minority voters can be split among districts.

The new redistricting rules, enshrined in the state constitution, direct the redistricting commission to avoid drawing maps “primarily to favor or disfavor a political party,” and for the proportionate breakdown of districts to “correspond closely to the statewide preferences of the voters, based on statewide state and federal partisan general election results during the last ten years.”

The actual language reads the commission “shall attempt” to do so. Huffman, a Lima Republican, said he thinks the language might mean it’s not a requirement, as long as commission members say they attempted to comply.

“I use the word aspirational, because the Constitution says “shall attempt,” and I guess I don’t know how to put the word attempt into adverb form,” Huffman told reporters. He also keyed in on the word “results” in the constitutional language describing voter preferences.

“Percentages aren’t referred to in the Constitution,” he said. “It uses the word ‘results.’”

Sen. Sykes said Republican legislative leaders have drawn district maps to benefit themselves.

“I don’t blame the Speaker of the House or the Senate president for doing the best they can to craft districts to help their caucus,” he said. “But to say they don’t even know ... and didn’t consider it at all, I think it’s disingenuous.”

Ohio’s new redistricting system is designed to promote bipartisan cooperation, by requiring approval from the redistricting commission’s two Democrats in order for maps to be in effect for 10 years. Otherwise, Republicans can pass them on their own, but the maps only would be in effect for four years.

As drawn, the maps make it highly unlikely the commission’s Democrats will approve them. The maps contrasts sharply with the plan floated by Senate Democrats last week. That map would create districts likely to award 55% of legislative seats to Republicans and 45% to Democrats - or close to what the recent historical statewide votes have been. That’s more in line with recent statewide vote totals, but the Democratic map also would create districts that largely would be uncompetitive, a major flaw if the goal, as voter-rights groups have said, is encourage a more balanced political system.

Faber said he’d “really, really” like for the maps to get bipartisan support. Based on the Senate Democrats’ plan, he said he thinks the two sides aren’t that far apart.

“You’re talking about a couple districts here or there, but it seems there are ample areas for compromise,” Faber said.

LaRose said he would vote for the maps as a starting point for negotiations.

“I am willing to allow this map to go forward as a work in progress. But I think it needs substantial work,” he said.

DeWine didn’t comment during Thursday’s hearing, and he declined to comment on the maps when asked about them during a break.

A top lawyer with the ACLU of Ohio in a statement said the maps were unconstitutional. The ACLU of Ohio is a likely source of any future legal challenges to any maps the commission passes.

“We agree with Secretary LaRose that the map needs ‘substantial work’– and substantial is an understatement,” said Freda Levenson, the ACLU of Ohio’s legal director. “In defiance of the state constitution, the map fails to take the Voting Rights Act into account and fails to adhere to the partisan proportionality requirement. Instead, the map goes to great lengths to protect Republican incumbents at the expense of the fairness and proportionality that Ohioans demanded in 2015.”

Outside the confines of the commission, Democrats blasted the Republican maps as gerrymandered.

“The so-called ‘maps’ proposed by the Ohio GOP are a betrayal of Ohio voters and the issues that they care about,” Ohio Democratic Party Chair Liz Walters said in a statement. “These maps are not only unacceptable, they’re offensive to Ohioans who voted overwhelmingly twice for fair representation.”

Huffman said the maps could be changed between now and Wednesday. He said he hopes Republican and Democratic staff can sit down and come up with an amendment that can be passed before final approval.

“Do I think there are reasonable changes that can be made to the map that was submitted today? You know, the answer to that is yes,” he said. “...We’ll just see what the suggestions that we get over the next couple of days are.”

Breaking the Republican plan down further, 20 House seats would be competitive to varying degrees, or projected to be within 10%, according to the Dave’s Redistricting model, which takes into account the 2016 and 2020 presidential elections and the 2018 statewide elections. Twenty-two seats would be safely Democratic, while 56 seats would be safely Republican.

In the proposed Senate map, three seats would be a toss-up, projected to be 3% or closer, with five more seats projected as competitive, or within 10%. Eighteen seats would be safely Republican, and seven seats would be safely Democratic.

On an individual level, a couple Republican senators in Northeast Ohio could face political trouble from the new maps. District 27, represented by conservative Republican Sen. Kristina Roegner, of Hudson, would shift from a +14 Republican district to a toss-up, thanks to the addition of extra Cleveland and Akron suburbs. District 32, represented by Sen. Sandy O’Brien, of Ashtabula, would shift from +8 Republican to +4 Republican, but also would combine Trumbull and Mahoning counties, drawing her out of her district entirely.

Here are how the legislative maps design House districts for Northeast Ohio. These maps were drawn from Dave’s Redistricting, as compiled by Ohio Senate Democrats:

https://www.cleveland.com/resizer/-lbxWXjOcU9QqhJxnY61fXuf65o=/1280x0/smart/cloudfront-us-east-1.images.arcpublishing.com/advancelocal/YBVALVW7G5CMBOJRM2VGISDXBM.PNG

A close-up of Northeast Ohio House districts contained in a proposed Senate Republicans plan.

And here are the proposed Ohio Senate districts for Northeast Ohio

https://www.cleveland.com/resizer/DlFxAV4aCovo0p2biS9qOYCttm4=/1280x0/smart/cloudfront-us-east-1.images.arcpublishing.com/advancelocal/7EZZ2CXADJATLIFRAPO2JGALUE.PNG

A close-up of Ohio Senate districts in Northeast Ohio contained in a proposed state legislative map from the Ohio Senate GOP.

Republicans previously blew a Sept. 1 legal deadline to share a map with the public, which they said was due to the months-long delayed completion of the U.S. Census. Mapmakers use the census data as the foundations for their districts. Despite a constitutional requirement, they failed to even introduce a map, which would have formally started the process to negotiate with Democrats over district boundaries.

An earlier version of this story gave an incorrect time for Sunday’s redistricting commission meeting in Dayton. It has been corrected.

[Neveragain]

and then you can read the whole thing for free.

I feel like I should have been paid to read it.

[Gelston]

As soon as the page starts loading, cancel it. If you time it right the article will load up but the paywall bullshit won't, and then you can read the whole thing for free. This works with most paywalls.

communist.

[Tgo01]

https://www.cleveland.com/open/2021/09/ohio-republicans-unveil-new-state-legislative-maps-preserving-gop-statehouse-supermajority-despite-anti-gerrymandering-rules.html

Lets see if Tgo has the same concerns about gerrymandering.

I don’t have a problem with gerrymandering. State elected officials should decide what the districts of their states are and if the citizens don’t like it then they can vote them out of office.

Nice try though.

[Tgo01]

U.S. senators ask Amazon if it tracks employees, curbs bids to form unions (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-amazon-com-lawmakers/u-s-senators-ask-amazon-if-it-tracks-employees-curbs-bids-to-form-unions-idUSKBN2702TF)


Four Democratic U.S. senators on Thursday sent a letter to Amazon.com Inc's AMZN.O Chief Executive Jeff Bezos, demanding answers over its alleged moves to track and monitor employees and limit efforts to form unions.

Senators urge investigation into Amazon over alleged discrimination against pregnant warehouse workers (https://www.cnbc.com/2021/09/10/senators-call-for-amazon-investigation-over-alleged-pregnancy-discrimination.html)


Six senators sent a letter to the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission urging the agency to probe Amazon’s treatment of pregnant warehouse employees.

Sens. Kirsten Gillibrand, D-N.Y., Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., Richard Blumenthal, D-Conn., Bob Casey, Jr., D-Pa., Sherrod Brown, D-Ohio, and Elizabeth Warren, D-Mass., on Friday requested the EEOC investigate Amazon’s “systemic failure to provide adequate accommodations” for pregnant warehouse workers.

ZOMG! Republicans just can't stop shrieking about their Amazon hate!

Oh wait, these are all just "random" people so it doesn't count. Let's see more surveys no one will ever read.

[Seran]

Yawn.

[drauz]

I don’t have a problem with gerrymandering. State elected officials should decide what the districts of their states are and if the citizens don’t like it then they can vote them out of office.

Nice try though.

How to keep the majority in the majority 101.

[ClydeR]

...if the citizens don’t like it then they can vote them out of office.

Can they though? If they're gerrymandered? Put all the people who want non-gerrmandered districts into one district and spread everybody else out over the remaining districts.

[ClydeR]

An Alaska state senator has asked to be excused from going to work because the only available airline has banned her for refusing to keep her mask on. Some people feel too entitled to have to follow the same rules as everybody else. If your job requires you to fly, try asking your boss to be excused for four months because you've been banned for refusing to wear a mask.


JUNEAU — Eagle River Republican Sen. Lora Reinbold has asked to be excused from legislative business in the state Capitol, telling fellow lawmakers that her ban from Alaska Airlines makes it impossible to fly into Juneau.

More... (https://www.adn.com/politics/alaska-legislature/2021/09/09/banned-from-alaska-airlines-state-sen-lora-reinbold-says-she-cant-work-at-capitol/)

[Tgo01]

Yawn.

Yes, we all know you have proven yourself to be a giant hypocritical douche bag a million times by now, but it's still fun mocking you. So enjoy!

[Tgo01]

How to keep the majority in the majority 101.

If citizens care enough they'll vote those partisans out of office right?

Why is it you seemed to downplay gerrymandering when Democrats were doing it or benefiting from it but now suddenly "ZOMG! The majority will keep themselves the majority!!!"

[Tgo01]

Can they though? If they're gerrymandered?

....yes. People still have the right to vote even in "gerrymandered" districts. I know you put up some really dumb ass posts, but come on, this is way beyond dumb even for you.

[drauz]

If citizens care enough they'll vote those partisans out of office right?

Why is it you seemed to downplay gerrymandering when Democrats were doing it or benefiting from it but now suddenly "ZOMG! The majority will keep themselves the majority!!!"

Non-partisan committee =/= Democrats.

Nice try though.

[Tgo01]

Non-partisan committee =/= Democrats.

Nice try though.

Ah I see. So gerrymandering that benefits Democrats is okay as long as it's a committee. Please don't use "non-partisan" committee when you know damn well 4 of the people on the committee are Democrats and 4 are Republicans. You do know what "non-partisan" means right?

[Parkbandit]

Non-partisan committee =/= Democrats.

Nice try though.

Is there really anything that is a "non-partisan committee" though?

Or do they just call themselves that so people like you can defend them?

[drauz]

Please don't use "non-partisan" committee when you know damn well 4 of the people on the committee are Democrats and 4 are Republicans. You do know what "non-partisan" means right?

What you just said is non-partisan committee. Also you forgot the 4 independents.

https://i.imgur.com/uy11N6R.png

[drauz]

Is there really anything that is a "non-partisan committee" though?

Yes.

[Methais]

Is there really anything that is a "non-partisan committee" though?

Or do they just call themselves that so people like you can defend them?

As of this post, I now identify as non-partisan and anyone who has a problem with that is racist.

[Tgo01]

What you just said is non-partisan committee. Also you forgot the 4 independents.

https://i.imgur.com/uy11N6R.png

How is two thirds of the committee being partisan "not biased or partisan" exactly?

[Methais]

https://i.imgur.com/dRXFjZR.png

[Tgo01]

I'll give Democrats one thing: they are great at marketing.

"Don't call it pro-abortion, people would think we are bloodthirsty monsters! Call it pro-choice and make the argument that it's about a woman's right to choose!"

"It's called the AFFORDABLE Care Act, so clearly it lowered the cost of medical care!"

"Call this committee a 'nonpartisan' committee, that way when they give us the advantage we can point to the name and say 'But look! A nonpartisan committee did this so it's all good!'"

And I mean why not? drauz up in here clearly proving it works.

[Methais]

I'll give Democrats one thing: they are great at marketing.

"Don't call it pro-abortion, people would think we are bloodthirsty monsters! Call it pro-choice and make the argument that it's about a woman's right to choose!"

"It's called the AFFORDABLE Care Act, so clearly it lowered the cost of medical care!"

"Call this committee a 'nonpartisan' committee, that way when they give us the advantage we can point to the name and say 'But look! A nonpartisan committee did this so it's all good!'"

And I mean why not? drauz up in here clearly proving it works.

Democrat politicians and media assholes are way more in touch with their base as far as knowing how to exploit their stupidity and gullibility. Way better than republican politicians and media assholes are at it.

[Seran]

Yes, we all know you have proven yourself to be a giant hypocritical douche bag a million times by now, but it's still fun mocking you. So enjoy!

It's even more funny that you think there's never a middle ground. It's all partisan all the time. Solutions don't have to be all Left or all Right. First, Amazon has given so much more to their blue collar warehouse staff that most other employers in the country. This doest mean that every demand or ask from whatever senator has a wishlist will be honored. So Amazon tracks the efficiencies of its employees? Most companies do. Democrats or Republicans don't get to hold one company to a higher standard when most others are held to no standard. If you were a Republican, you'd understand this.

To your second article, again, Yawn. A few senators making waves to guilt Amazon into preferential treatment? Guess what, pregnancy isn't a protected disability under the ADA and the Pregnancy Disability Act only requires employers who offer accommodation to similar classes of medical conditions to do the same for the secondary complications of pregnancies. Employers can require an employee to take paid leave of they're unable to perform their job with /reasonable/ accommodation.

[Gelston]

What you just said is non-partisan committee. Also you forgot the 4 independents.

https://i.imgur.com/uy11N6R.png

It is bipartisan. Non-partisan would mean no one is of any party.

[drauz]

It's even more funny that you think there's never a middle ground. It's all partisan all the time. Solutions don't have to be all Left or all Right. First, Amazon has given so much more to their blue collar warehouse staff that most other employers in the country. This doest mean that every demand or ask from whatever senator has a wishlist will be honored. So Amazon tracks the efficiencies of its employees? Most companies do. Democrats or Republicans don't get to hold one company to a higher standard when most others are held to no standard. If you were a Republican, you'd understand this.

To your second article, again, Yawn. A few senators making waves to guilt Amazon into preferential treatment? Guess what, pregnancy isn't a protected disability under the ADA and the Pregnancy Disability Act only requires employers who offer accommodation to similar classes of medical conditions to do the same for the secondary complications of pregnancies. Employers can require an employee to take paid leave of they're unable to perform their job with /reasonable/ accommodation.

Amazon is a terrible company for blue collar workers. They set "goals" at break neck levels. They aren't a good example of a "good" company. Pissing in a bottle shouldn't be how you are able to meet your "goals". They treat their employees like shit.

[drauz]

Democrat politicians and media assholes are way more in touch with their base as far as knowing how to exploit their stupidity and gullibility. Way better than republican politicians and media assholes are at it.

I'd say they are both pretty great at it. You got Tgo and Rocktard over here regurgitating every conservative theory put in front of them.

[Gelston]

Amazon is a terrible company for blue collar workers. They set "goals" at break neck levels. They aren't a good example of a "good" company. Pissing in a bottle shouldn't be how you are able to meet your "goals". They treat their employees like shit.

Amazon is fucking horrible. It is a 21st century American sweatshop. Walmart employees have better QOL.

[Neveragain]

To your second article, again, Yawn. A few senators making waves to guilt Amazon into preferential treatment? Guess what, pregnancy isn't a protected disability under the ADA and the Pregnancy Disability Act only requires employers who offer accommodation to similar classes of medical conditions to do the same for the secondary complications of pregnancies. Employers can require an employee to take paid leave of they're unable to perform their job with /reasonable/ accommodation.

OK, Stalin.

[Seran]

Amazon is a terrible company for blue collar workers. They set "goals" at break neck levels. They aren't a good example of a "good" company. Pissing in a bottle shouldn't be how you are able to meet your "goals". They treat their employees like shit.

Folks are paid double what the completion would offer them and they'd still be worked hard. People are not doing twice the work and the quota system ensures efficiency. When you're the best employer around with the best pay and benefits, you get the expected work. This isn't a socialist country, people don't get to show up and slack off with out fear of repercussions.

[Parkbandit]

Yes.

https://media4.giphy.com/media/PoHTJgxBHCCJ2zCbvf/giphy.gif

[Neveragain]

Folks are paid double what the completion would offer them and they'd still be worked hard. People are not doing twice the work and the quota system ensures efficiency. When you're the best employer around with the best pay and benefits, you get the expected work. This isn't a socialist country, people don't get to show up and slack off with out fear of repercussions.

https://media2.giphy.com/media/OxI0AgOwymPGo/200.gif

[Gelston]

Folks are paid double what the completion would offer them and they'd still be worked hard. People are not doing twice the work and the quota system ensures efficiency. When you're the best employer around with the best pay and benefits, you get the expected work. This isn't a socialist country, people don't get to show up and slack off with out fear of repercussions.

Average pay is $16 an hour, with some making as low as $7. Target employees make a minimum of $15 an hour and aren't treated like criminals.

Hell, Walmart's digital fulfillment center workers are making a minimum of 13 right now, with it being phased up to 15.25. Oh, and they get 100% college tuition paid.

[drauz]

Folks are paid double what the completion would offer them and they'd still be worked hard. People are not doing twice the work and the quota system ensures efficiency. When you're the best employer around with the best pay and benefits, you get the expected work. This isn't a socialist country, people don't get to show up and slack off with out fear of repercussions.

I've actually worked in an Amazon warehouse, you are extremely naive about how hard they are worked. Warehouse workers are not paid double the competition, double minimum wage sure. You can go to Sheetz gas station and make $15 and not work even a 1/10th as hard. This is probably why they are having trouble getting people to work in their warehouses and are offering college tuition to get people to work there.

[drauz]

Average pay is $16 an hour, with some making as low as $7. Target employees make a minimum of $15 an hour and aren't treated like criminals.

Hell, Walmart's digital fulfillment center workers are making a minimum of 13 right now, with it being phased up to 15.25. Oh, and they get 100% college tuition paid.

They had everyone on shift, about 50-100 people, leave at the same time and they make you clock out first and then wait in line to for like 30 minutes sometimes to get searched before you can leave the building.

[Neveragain]

Average pay is $16 an hour, with some making as low as $7. Target employees make a minimum of $15 an hour and aren't treated like criminals.

Hell, Walmart's digital fulfillment center workers are making a minimum of 13 right now, with it being phased up to 15.25. Oh, and they get 100% college tuition paid.

Sister in law and her wife have both worked at Target for over 20 years, Have heard nothing but good things about Target from them.

[Tgo01]

They had everyone on shift, about 50-100 people, leave at the same time and they make you clock out first and then wait in line to for like 30 minutes sometimes to get searched before you can leave the building.

I remember that, if I recall correctly the courts for some reason sided with Amazon, which I still think is bullshit. I'm all for companies making sure their employees aren't stealing from them, but if you expect them to be standing in line for 30 minutes in order to leave the building then you damn well better be paying them for it.

[Parkbandit]

Folks are paid double what the completion would offer them and they'd still be worked hard. People are not doing twice the work and the quota system ensures efficiency. When you're the best employer around with the best pay and benefits, you get the expected work. This isn't a socialist country, people don't get to show up and slack off with out fear of repercussions.


Amazon is a terrible company for blue collar workers. They set "goals" at break neck levels. They aren't a good example of a "good" company. Pissing in a bottle shouldn't be how you are able to meet your "goals". They treat their employees like shit.

So, which is it?

[Alfster]

Democrat politicians and media assholes are way more in touch with their base as far as knowing how to exploit their stupidity and gullibility. Way better than republican politicians and media assholes are at it.

Republicans got pretty good at taking money from their supporters. Lol. Fleeced for the wall, needing to opt out for reoccurring donations, etc.

[Methais]

OK, Stalin.

https://i.imgur.com/Y3JmQyY.jpg

[Kyulen]

Democrat politicians and media assholes are way more in touch with their base as far as knowing how to exploit their stupidity and gullibility. Way better than republican politicians and media assholes are at it.

Nah, they're both equally good at that.

[Methais]

Nah, they're both equally good at that.

That makes democrats more gullible then.

[drauz]

https://i.imgur.com/EZFXMyw.png

[Shaps]

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/clean-energy-jobs-grow-women-170314258.html

ROFL.. Because "clean energy" jobs are racist, and you know the people running "clean energy" companies are all KKK Grand Wizards.

Swear the fucking media and the people that subscribe to shit like this really need to be smacked upside the head.

Color doesn't fucking matter. Pretty sure any color person, can pretty much work where they want to work...

You know what might be fucking up people getting jobs? Our education system and current teachers union leaders. And in before you say "but the education system is systemically racist!"... because if that's your defense (which is dumb)... you're even dumber than the defense you're espousing, because the whole education system is ran by Democrat/Leftist ideologues....

Oh wait.. you're right... the education system is racist.

[Solkern]

Color doesn't fucking matter. Pretty sure any color person, can pretty much work where they want to work...


It’s been well documented that a person of color and/or women have a clear disadvantage in getting a job. I’m sure there are plenty of verified reports of companies choosing less qualified white people over a well qualified person of color. So your statement is misleading.

[Tgo01]

I’m sure there are plenty of verified reports of companies choosing less qualified white people over a well qualified person of color.

Well as long as you're sure those reports exist.

[Solkern]

Well as long as you're sure those reports exist.

I just don’t have time to check.

[Parkbandit]

It’s been well documented that a person of color and/or women have a clear disadvantage in getting a job. I’m sure there are plenty of verified reports of companies choosing less qualified white people over a well qualified person of color. So your statement is misleading.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ba/19/33/ba19337aea695fd873ce77f1b0ab6ec4.gif

[Solkern]

Well as long as you're sure those reports exist.

Actually wasn’t even that difficult.

https://www.eeoc.gov/initiatives/e-race/significant-eeoc-racecolor-casescovering-private-and-federal-sectors

[Tgo01]

Actually wasn’t even that difficult.

https://www.eeoc.gov/initiatives/e-race/significant-eeoc-racecolor-casescovering-private-and-federal-sectors

Okay I read the first two bullet points which dealt with harassment. Is there more or did you just find something that had to do with race and figured it was all the same?

[Solkern]

Okay I read the first two bullet points which dealt with harassment. Is there more or did you just find something that had to do with race and figured it was all the same?

Quite a few deal with discrimination in the hiring process, they just aren’t ordered in any particular way that I could see.

Such as:
In November 2019, Janitorial Service Provider Diversified Maintenance Systems, LLC paid $750,000 and furnished significant equitable relief to settle a federal race discrimination, harassment and retaliation lawsuit. The complaint alleged that since at least January, 2012, Diversified engaged in an ongoing pattern or practice of race discrimination against African-American job applicants in Maryland, Washington D.C., and Philadelphia metropolitan areas by refusing to hire Black applicants for custodian, lead custodian or porter positions


If you click on the “hiring” link at the top, it’ll show you.

[Solkern]

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ba/19/33/ba19337aea695fd873ce77f1b0ab6ec4.gif

Oh yes! We elected a black president, that must mean there is absolutely no discrimination in the hiring process of people of color!

[Shaps]

It’s been well documented that a person of color and/or women have a clear disadvantage in getting a job. I’m sure there are plenty of verified reports of companies choosing less qualified white people over a well qualified person of color. So your statement is misleading.

I'm sure there are plenty of verified reports of companies choosing less qualified people of color over a well qualified white person. So your statement is misleading.

See what I did there?

The point is, the media and the race hustlers will make everything about quotas and race... even when race is not the determining factor. By your logic, and the articles implied statement... all companies should be broken down by % of workers based upon the racial makeup of the Nation. So every company should have 13% Black, 18% Hispanic, whatever % of every other color.

That would be fair right? Or would it be? Or would you then contend that it's racist to hire employees based upon skin color, because it should be based upon qualifications if businesses were limited to those %'s... to be fair... you know?

I mean, if you're supporting an article that says that each company should hire a specific % of a certain race.. then by proxy you support that company hiring the national % of whites wouldn't you?

Which is it? You and the race hustlers will always find some way to always make it about race.

That's not to say racism doesn't exist, but it also doesn't mean everything is racist... which is what you all like to try and say it is.... and by definition expose yourself as the racists you are - you're just all "well meaning" racists.

That's why I love the whole argument from the Left about how the education system is "systemically racist"... when the whole of the education system is ran by leftists. Fucking logic bomb lost on the general public somehow.

[Shaps]

And for the record, my thoughts on quotas and all the other bullshit, is pretty simple:

There should be no quotas on race/gender for any job. There should be specific qualifications for the job. Those qualifications should not be changed for anyone, as that is what the job requires. If a person has the qualifications to perform said job, then that should be the end of it.

I'm also for removing race and gender from job applications.

If someone hiring is found to not hire someone based on race/gender, and it can be proven (e-mails, phone, statements, etc.) - not just accusations - then legal action should occur... as the law already states.

Only way to get past race, is to make it a non-issue and concern ourselves with the character of a person... not the superficial qualities that they were born with... but of course you'll say it's racist to think that way... and I'd say you, and everyone else, is racist for thinking color matters at all.

[Solkern]

And for the record, my thoughts on quotas and all the other bullshit, is pretty simple:

There should be no quotas on race/gender for any job. There should be specific qualifications for the job. Those qualifications should not be changed for anyone, as that is what the job requires. If a person has the qualifications to perform said job, then that should be the end of it.

I'm also for removing race and gender from job applications.

If someone hiring is found to not hire someone based on race/gender, and it can be proven (e-mails, phone, statements, etc.) - not just accusations - then legal action should occur... as the law already states.

Only way to get past race, is to make it a non-issue and concern ourselves with the character of a person... not the superficial qualities that they were born with... but of course you'll say it's racist to think that way... and I'd say you, and everyone else, is racist for thinking color matters at all.

Removing race and gender from the job application won’t solve the issue.
The second issue is you can’t hire some just based on qualifications, sometimes that person just doesn’t seem like a good fit for the company(personality for example)

I agree that the quota is bullshit… that is just another form of racism.

[Shaps]

Removing race and gender from the job application won’t solve the issue.
The second issue is you can’t hire some just based on qualifications, sometimes that person just doesn’t seem like a good fit for the company(personality for example)

I agree that the quota is bullshit… that is just another form of racism.

See... these are logical points that can be discussed.

Agreed.. removing race and gender from applications won't solve the issue.. but it would help minimize it. And that is what we as a general society should be moving towards, because there will never not be racism, sexism, xenophobia, etc.. those things will always exist as long as humans do... what we can strive for is to minimize it to such a degree it doesn't affect the majority of society.

I also agree you can't do it just based on qualifications alone, but to use your example "personality"... that is part of the qualification process in my mind/from my perspective... depending on the job (ie. you wouldn't hire an introvert to be a sales representative, etc.). But I 100% agree with you that personality traits (and other intangibles) do influence hiring practices. The hope is by the point above, and other mechanisms, to again minimize racist/sexist/etc. influences from being a part of that process.

And we seem to agree on the quota thing, it only leads to bad outcomes for everyone eventually.

I'm an individualist at heart, and believe no person should be judged on their immutable traits. I know it's like wishing for world peace... but doesn't change my hope that we all, or at least the majority, would care for one another enough to get past that historical bad habit of ours... and the only way to get there, is to promote that train of thought consistently... and when incidents occur such as you posted above, call it out and ensure it is handled legally... but not be so cavalier to apply racist/sexist/etc. accusations to every interaction that occurs in society.

Seems from your statements we actually agree more than disagree on this point. Just coming at it from different initial perspectives.

[Parkbandit]

Oh yes! We elected a black president, that must mean there is absolutely no discrimination in the hiring process of people of color!

No one said that.

At all.

But you have the toughest job interview on the planet and yet we still hired a black person for it.

Maybe black people can get jobs on their own accord and don't need Karen the Liberal to help them?

Just a thought, Karen.

[Methais]

https://i.imgur.com/gLgsLfd.png

[Shaps]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/chicago-gun-violence-mayor-lori-205607912.html

LOL.

[Shaps]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SGNeTDEHwo

Hopefully more comics are this honest about how they censored themselves, leading to the current self-censorship and cancelling of ideas.

Hated that Burr bitched out for a period of time, but maybe.. just maybe.. his and others balls will actually drop and man up. Time will tell.

[Shaps]

https://sports.yahoo.com/nba-players-reportedly-wont-be-subject-to-covid-19-vaccine-mandate-200019002.html

ROFL. It's all those Trumpers! Cause you know the NBA is full of Trumpers! Lol. This has entered fucking twilight zone territory.

[Shaps]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRqT26z0qMI

ROFL.. now this is what we need more of. This woman has it right! LOL.

:20 to about 1:30

[Gelston]

https://scontent-atl3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/241890089_5516050601740815_3441879601574164286_n.j pg?_nc_cat=105&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=kFjc0PdjjRQAX9CR7KA&_nc_ht=scontent-atl3-2.xx&oh=b019269106634a4c0305cf9815f3af79&oe=61689B48

[Tgo01]

https://scontent-atl3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/241890089_5516050601740815_3441879601574164286_n.j pg?_nc_cat=105&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=kFjc0PdjjRQAX9CR7KA&_nc_ht=scontent-atl3-2.xx&oh=b019269106634a4c0305cf9815f3af79&oe=61689B48

I knew that dress looked familiar when I saw it.

[Neveragain]

https://scontent-atl3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/241890089_5516050601740815_3441879601574164286_n.j pg?_nc_cat=105&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=kFjc0PdjjRQAX9CR7KA&_nc_ht=scontent-atl3-2.xx&oh=b019269106634a4c0305cf9815f3af79&oe=61689B48

I feel insulted by how terrible of a job the dress creator did on the stitching.

[Alfster]

Pretty sure they made it as terrible as it is on purpose. It's all the rave these days.

Decent return on investment given how many people are talking about it.

[Methais]

Biden shows off big smile while posing with kids – who are wearing Trump MAGA hats and shirts (https://www.the-sun.com/news/3653373/biden-children-trump-maga-hats-shirts/)


https://www.the-sun.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/6/2021/09/KB_COMP_biden-kids-updated.jpg?w=660

[Shaps]

Biden shows off big smile while posing with kids – who are wearing Trump MAGA hats and shirts (https://www.the-sun.com/news/3653373/biden-children-trump-maga-hats-shirts/)


https://www.the-sun.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/6/2021/09/KB_COMP_biden-kids-updated.jpg?w=660

His mask is down also. Fucking spreading covid all around. Biden hates children!

[Parkbandit]

Biden shows off big smile while posing with kids – who are wearing Trump MAGA hats and shirts (https://www.the-sun.com/news/3653373/biden-children-trump-maga-hats-shirts/)


https://www.the-sun.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/6/2021/09/KB_COMP_biden-kids-updated.jpg?w=660

Is that for real?

No way. I'm calling it fake. His hatred for anything Trump > His "special" love for children.

[Shaps]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rM0bJghvw8

LOL.. didn't even take a year and Biden already made a staunch ally withdraw their Ambassador back? ROFL.. what happened to international relations and Biden being the best one for the job again?

[Tgo01]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rM0bJghvw8

LOL.. didn't even take a year and Biden already made a staunch ally withdraw their Ambassador back? ROFL.. what happened to international relations and Biden being the best one for the job again?

Biden is everything Democrats accused Trump of doing, but for some reason they keep pretending he's not.

[Neveragain]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rM0bJghvw8

LOL.. didn't even take a year and Biden already made a staunch ally withdraw their Ambassador back? ROFL.. what happened to international relations and Biden being the best one for the job again?

In fairness, France was trying to sell off garbage. Seems weird that the French would react like this over losing a submarine contract.

[Shaps]

In fairness, France was trying to sell off garbage. Seems weird that the French would react like this over losing a submarine contract.

Full transparency.. I agree with your statement. Diesel vs Nuclear.. no comparison. It's just hilarious to me that they had 9 months to work out something to keep France happy, and instead France found out about the deal on the news apparently. No heads up was apparently the issue.

[Seran]

France wanted to sell inferior technology, failed to produce goods in five years. President Biden recognized that China had been punishing the Australians and offered an arms package that sends a powerful message that the United States and Great Britain are united in support of it's ally. That's leadership.

France is the perfect example of socialism gone too far.

[Shaps]

France wanted to sell inferior technology, failed to produce goods in five years. President Biden recognized that China had been punishing the Australians and offered an arms package that sends a powerful message that the United States and Great Britain are united in support of it's ally. That's leadership.

France is the perfect example of socialism gone too far.

ROFL. I can't even take you seriously after what you just wrote. LOL. Man you crack me up.

[Seran]

ROFL. I can't even take you seriously after what you just wrote. LOL. Man you crack me up.

Yeah, your reading comprehension is pretty terrible. Thanks for taking a pass.

[Tgo01]

France wanted to sell inferior technology, failed to produce goods in five years. President Biden recognized that China had been punishing the Australians and offered an arms package that sends a powerful message that the United States and Great Britain are united in support of it's ally. That's leadership.

France is the perfect example of socialism gone too far.

In just a few months Biden manages to really piss off one of our oldest allies.

Seran: that’s leadership!

[Seran]

In just a few months Biden manages to really piss off one of our oldest allies.

Seran: that’s leadership!

Yeah, such a great security ally. France deployed a whole 3,750 soldiers to Afghanistan and opposed the war in Iraq. That country is still recovering its pride from being overwhelmed by the Germans.

[Tgo01]

Yeah, such a great security ally. France deployed a whole 3,750 soldiers to Afghanistan and opposed the war in Iraq. That country is still recovering its pride from being overwhelmed by the Germans.

Trump tells allies to pay more for their military.
Seran: OMG! Such a tyrant! He's alienating our allies!

Biden royally fucks up and pisses off one of our closest allies.
Seran: Meh, they weren't much of an ally anyways.

Just fuck off already. You are literally the worst.

[Shaps]

https://www.wsj.com/articles/john-durham-cracks-the-russia-case-fbi-michael-sussmann-clinton-campaign-11631917159

Hey all you "Russia Collusion" jackasses - remember all that bullshit you were blabbing about for 4 years?

You willing to open your eyes, think objectively, and use your fucking brains now?

Hopefully you call for all of those Democrats, Reporters, and Democrat Party operatives to be arrested and jailed like you were screaming for 4 years prior.

Of course you won't though.

LOL

[Parkbandit]

Trump tells allies to pay more for their military.
Seran: OMG! Such a tyrant! He's alienating our allies!

Biden royally fucks up and pisses off one of our closest allies.
Seran: Meh, they weren't much of an ally anyways.

Just fuck off already. You are literally the worst.

To be fair... not sure President Biden royally fucks up. Doesn't sound like a deal we would want to be a part of with France anyway. Now, we don't know what the deal is with the "sudden" pulling out.. perhaps the French really were blindsided with this decision. French pulling their diplomats out was a bit over dramatic imo.. but the French are French...

[Seran]

https://www.wsj.com/articles/john-durham-cracks-the-russia-case-fbi-michael-sussmann-clinton-campaign-11631917159

Hey all you "Russia Collusion" jackasses - remember all that bullshit you were blabbing about for 4 years?

You willing to open your eyes, think objectively, and use your fucking brains now?

Hopefully you call for all of those Democrats, Reporters, and Democrat Party operatives to be arrested and jailed like you were screaming for 4 years prior.

Of course you won't though.

LOL

Lawl. Trump colluded with Russia and Ukrainian officials in the 2016 and 2020 elections. Lying, conspiracy, money laundering, failure to register as a foreign agent, the list goes on.

Roger Stone, convicted
Michael Flynn, convicted
Michael Cohen, convicted
Paul Manafort, convicted
Rick Gates, convicted
George Papadopoulos, convicted.

And from 2016, a Democrat hired lawyer charged five years later with concealing his connections to the Hillary Clinton campaign. Story and scandal of the century!??

Can't wait until Giuliani and Trump get their indictments. Gonna be a barnburner around here.

[Tgo01]

To be fair... not sure President Biden royally fucks up. Doesn't sound like a deal we would want to be a part of with France anyway. Now, we don't know what the deal is with the "sudden" pulling out.. perhaps the French really were blindsided with this decision. French pulling their diplomats out was a bit over dramatic imo.. but the French are French...

It sounds like France found out about this when the rest of the world did. Biden could have at least given them a heads up. I certainly wouldn’t call that leadership.

[Seran]

Trump tells allies to pay more for their military.
Seran: OMG! Such a tyrant! He's alienating our allies!

Biden royally fucks up and pisses off one of our closest allies.
Seran: Meh, they weren't much of an ally anyways.

Just fuck off already. You are literally the worst.

Trump: Destroys our trade treaties with North American partners, pisses off Canada and Mexico to no end.
Trump: Destroys our trade treaties with Asian partners, pisses off Japan, China, Philippines, etc etc
Trump: Pulls out of Iranian Nuclear Agreement, pisses off most of Europe and half the world, included the aforementioned French
Trump: Makes best buds out of Putin and Kim Jong-Un, pisses off Korea, Japan and again our European allies.

And the list goes on and on. But for this, Trump is named Jesus Reborn by the Right

Biden: Offers a better subcontract to Australia and helps better secure the Pacific against China in the long term. Republicans commence autistic screeching.

[Shaps]

Lawl. Trump colluded with Russia and Ukrainian officials in the 2016 and 2020 elections. Lying, conspiracy, money laundering, failure to register as a foreign agent, the list goes on.

Roger Stone, convicted
Michael Flynn, convicted
Michael Cohen, convicted
Paul Manafort, convicted
Rick Gates, convicted
George Papadopoulos, convicted.

And from 2016, a Democrat hired lawyer charged five years later with concealing his connections to the Hillary Clinton campaign. Story and scandal of the century!??

Can't wait until Giuliani and Trump get their indictments. Gonna be a barnburner around here.

Your reaction isn't surprising. Your stupidity isn't either. But you keep on doing you. I'm just relegating you to the sidelines, not worth my time anymore.

[Parkbandit]

I feel insulted by how terrible of a job the dress creator did on the stitching.

https://nypost.com/2021/09/18/aocs-tax-the-rich-dress-designer-aurora-james-is-a-tax-deadbeat/

We can "Tax The Rich" but will they actually pay?

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

https://i.imgflip.com/4d8v67.jpg

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

https://i.pinimg.com/564x/15/e4/de/15e4ded439422c0533d7847a5f2def22.jpg

[Methais]

Trump tells allies to pay more for their military.
Seran: OMG! Such a tyrant! He's alienating our allies!

Biden royally fucks up and pisses off one of our closest allies.
Seran: Meh, they weren't much of an ally anyways.

Just fuck off already. You are literally the worst.

I'm starting to wonder if Seran is one of time4fun's actual dildos.

[Neveragain]

I'm starting to wonder if Seran is one of time4fun's actual dildos.

Seran appears to be busy working on his final solution. The only question is "what's next?"

Mandates to go to the grocery store? Shutting off utilities? Camps for the unvaccinated? Scarlet letters?

[Tgo01]

I'm starting to wonder if Seran is one of time4fun's actual dildos.

I don’t know how Seran does it, but he manages to make time4fun seem like a rational moderate compared to him.

[Seran]

While Fox News and the French government busily act out hammy scenes from a Shakespeare tragedy as best to convey the agony of betrayal, I wonder if true Republicans see the irony of it.

Australians sought a product, they put forward a bid to which the French won. As pointed out, the submarines are yet built or delivered six years into the contract. Meanwhile a better offer for advance hardware becomes available, one that'll allow the country to better protect itself and to help curb Chinese aggression and expansion. Without surprise, they canceled the contract and will pay a 'relatively' small amount of damages.

The irony, isn't a free market what Republicans have crowed about all along? That without regulation, a market will naturally find its own balance with supply and demand? Why shouldn't the Australian government be lauded for exercising it's national interests to exit an unfulfilled contract to obtain a vastly superior product?

Sad days for the Republican party, truly its lost its way.

[Neveragain]

While Fox News and the French government busily act out hammy scenes from a Shakespeare tragedy as best to convey the agony of betrayal, I wonder if true Republicans see the irony of it.

Australians sought a product, they put forward a bid to which the French won. As pointed out, the submarines are yet built or delivered six years into the contract. Meanwhile a better offer for advance hardware becomes available, one that'll allow the country to better protect itself and to help curb Chinese aggression and expansion. Without surprise, they canceled the contract and will pay a 'relatively' small amount of damages.

The irony, isn't a free market what Republicans have crowed about all along? That without regulation, a market will naturally find its own balance with supply and demand? Why shouldn't the Australian government be lauded for exercising it's national interests to exit an unfulfilled contract to obtain a vastly superior product?

Sad days for the Republican party, truly its lost its way.

I don't have a problem with it. I'm more interested in hearing why Australia decided on diesel in the first place.

Tell us how Democrat it is to blow up an Afghan ally and a bunch of children?

[Tgo01]

Tell us how Democrat it is to blow up an Afghan ally and a bunch of children?

Yeah for real. Biden literally drones an aid worker and several children to death and all he can do is whine about this French submarine thing?

I don't get what goes wrong in one's life to end up as broken as Seran is.

[Neveragain]

Yeah for real. Biden literally drones an aid worker and several children to death and all he can do is whine about this French submarine thing?

I don't get what goes wrong in one's life to end up as broken as Seran is.

In all fairness, Democrats love murdering poor children.

The worst part was then going on national television and lying about taking out an ISIS planner. Nothing more dangerous than a mentally ill, angry old man that's seething with vengefulness.

[Parkbandit]

In all fairness, Democrats love murdering poor, minority children.

FTFY

[Seran]

I don't have a problem with it. I'm more interested in hearing why Australia decided on diesel in the first place.

That was all that was available at the time. They approached the United States some six month's ago according to reports about acquiring better models and our country paired with the United Kingdom to come up with this deal. Australians are swearing up and down the French were made aware of the deal. Where our national security interests are at stake, I too could care less about the hurt feels.


Tell us how Democrat it is to blow up an Afghan ally and a bunch of children?

Pretty unfortunate. Add that to the other 71,000 civilian causalities of the war, also unfortunate. An unavoidable cost of conflict, fortunately the middle east can go stew in it's own juices for a while. America just peaced out. Not gonna lose any sleep over it either.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

While Fox News and the French government busily act out hammy scenes from a Shakespeare tragedy as best to convey the agony of betrayal, I wonder if true Republicans see the irony of it.

Australians sought a product, they put forward a bid to which the French won. As pointed out, the submarines are yet built or delivered six years into the contract. Meanwhile a better offer for advance hardware becomes available, one that'll allow the country to better protect itself and to help curb Chinese aggression and expansion. Without surprise, they canceled the contract and will pay a 'relatively' small amount of damages.

The irony, isn't a free market what Republicans have crowed about all along? That without regulation, a market will naturally find its own balance with supply and demand? Why shouldn't the Australian government be lauded for exercising it's national interests to exit an unfulfilled contract to obtain a vastly superior product?

Sad days for the Republican party, truly its lost its way.

I don't think any conservative gives two fucks what the French think. It's really just all the crow you have to eat for yelling 4 years straight how Trump was terrible with foreign leaders, and in 9 months our new one has gotten the entire allied forces from Afghanistan pissed, and a bunch of white flag waving socialists.

[Tgo01]

The worst part was then going on national television and lying about taking out an ISIS planner.

That is the worst part. Mistakes happen, even mistakes with very deadly consequences, but they sat on this shit for weeks, telling everyone they actually saved lives and averted another suicide bombing, knowing full well all along that they murdered an innocent family and that apparently there was no "imminent threat" to the airport because they didn't take out any terrorists.

Fuck this entire administration.

[Tgo01]

I don't think any conservative gives two fucks what the French think. It's really just all the crow you have to eat for yelling 4 years straight how Trump was terrible with foreign leaders, and in 9 months our new one has gotten the entire allied forces from Afghanistan pissed, and a bunch of white flag waving socialists.

Pretty much. That's exactly what I needled Seran for over this whole French debacle, but as per usual Seran just can't stop looking like a gigantic hypocrite and defending Biden at every chance.

I'm surprised he had such harsh words as "pretty unfortunate" to talk about Biden's administration droning several children and then lying about it for weeks. I'm almost positive Seran was saying what a great leader Biden was for droning the "terrorists" to begin with and now that it turns out that was yet another colossal fuck up all he has to say is it was "pretty unfortunate" and that he won't lose any sleep over it.

[Neveragain]

That was all that was available at the time. They approached the United States some six month's ago according to reports about acquiring better models and our country paired with the United Kingdom to come up with this deal. Australians are swearing up and down the French were made aware of the deal. Where our national security interests are at stake, I too could care less about the hurt feels.



Pretty unfortunate. Add that to the other 71,000 civilian causalities of the war, also unfortunate. An unavoidable cost of conflict, fortunately the middle east can go stew in it's own juices for a while. America just peaced out. Not gonna lose any sleep over it either.

We didn't "peace out" Biden literally murdered an aid worker and a bunch of children.

[Tgo01]

We didn't "peace out" Biden literally murdered an aid worker and a bunch of children.

You can't expect Seran to lose any sleep over it though. Murdering brown children, denying black people access to public services, this is par for the course for Seran.

The sad part is Democrats literally cried more because Trump was "keeping kids in cages" than they are over Biden murdering a bunch of brown children with missiles.

[Seran]

You can't expect Seran to lose any sleep over it though. Murdering brown children, denying black people access to public services, this is par for the course for Seran.

The sad part is Democrats literally cried more because Trump was "keeping kids in cages" than they are over Biden murdering a bunch of brown children with missiles.

You really should talk to someone about your anger and racial insensitivity. Just how do your neighbors feel when you're asking them how their brown or black children are? I imagine as a white supremacist, it is quite important that everyone be classified by the color of their skin. For the rest of us, people are people.

[Tgo01]

You really should talk to someone about your anger and racial insensitivity. Just how do your neighbors feel when you're asking them how their brown or black children are? I imagine as a white supremacist, it is quite important that everyone be classified by the color of their skin. For the rest of us, people are people.

Your deflection and projection game are the weakest I have ever seen.

Who doesn't care about brown children being murdered by Biden? You
Who revels in black people being turned away from entering public and private spaces? You.

Project all you want, you're still a shitty person.

[Seran]

Your deflection and projection game are the weakest I have ever seen.

Who doesn't care about brown children being murdered by Biden? You
Who revels in black people being turned away from entering public and private spaces? You.

Project all you want, you're still a shitty person.

See, there you go again, boiling everyone down to the color of their skin. It's just disgusting the way some of you right wingers recruit for your causes. I'm not interested in your racial politics.

[Tgo01]

See, there you go again, boiling everyone down to the color of their skin. It's just disgusting the way some of you right wingers recruit for your causes. I'm not interested in your racial politics.

This has got to be the lamest excuse I have ever seen. "So what if I don't care about brown children being murdered?! How dare you even mention that they were brown!"

[Neveragain]

See, there you go again, boiling everyone down to the color of their skin. It's just disgusting the way some of you right wingers recruit for your causes. I'm not interested in your racial politics.

LMAO. The Democrats live and die using racial divide.

[Seran]

This has got to be the lamest excuse I have ever seen. "So what if I don't care about brown children being murdered?! How dare you even mention that they were brown!"

"HI, I'm Dreaven, I like to make up conversations that fit my incredibly delusional, racist narrative. I presume when people ignore my fabrications that they agree with them. Please give me my meds."

[Tgo01]

"HI, I'm Dreaven, I like to make up conversations that fit my incredibly delusional, racist narrative. I presume when people ignore my fabrications that they agree with them. Please give me my meds."

I didn't make anything up. This was literally your response to brown children being murdered by missiles under Biden's administration.


Pretty unfortunate.


Not gonna lose any sleep over it either.

I then called you out for your bullshit and you came back with "Why mention they were brown?!?!?!?"

Do better in life, my dude.

[Shaps]

While Fox News and the French government busily act out hammy scenes from a Shakespeare tragedy as best to convey the agony of betrayal, I wonder if true Republicans see the irony of it.

Australians sought a product, they put forward a bid to which the French won. As pointed out, the submarines are yet built or delivered six years into the contract. Meanwhile a better offer for advance hardware becomes available, one that'll allow the country to better protect itself and to help curb Chinese aggression and expansion. Without surprise, they canceled the contract and will pay a 'relatively' small amount of damages.

The irony, isn't a free market what Republicans have crowed about all along? That without regulation, a market will naturally find its own balance with supply and demand? Why shouldn't the Australian government be lauded for exercising it's national interests to exit an unfulfilled contract to obtain a vastly superior product?

Sad days for the Republican party, truly its lost its way.

Your logic only extends so far apparently. Let me put it this way:

Afghanistan withdrawal - Good.
The way Biden withdrew from Afghanistan - A clusterfuck.

Now.. for this point.

Nuclear powered subs for an ally in a strategic region - Good.
The way Biden's administration handled the negotiations and deconflicted the issue prior to going through with it - A clusterfuck.

See a trend here?

[Shaps]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/designer-aocs-tax-rich-dress-180100451.html

ROFL - Tax the rich alright. LOL.

[Shaps]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/taliban-orders-women-employees-afghanistans-162225888.html

Joe Biden supports women's rights! LOL

Pathetic.



Serious note: The life the women in Afghanistan are being subjected to once again, after 20 years of some semblance of recognition and freedom is truly sad. Especially those that were born during that time period and that is all they have known.

[Methais]

That was all that was available at the time. They approached the United States some six month's ago according to reports about acquiring better models and our country paired with the United Kingdom to come up with this deal. Australians are swearing up and down the French were made aware of the deal. Where our national security interests are at stake, I too could care less about the hurt feels.



Pretty unfortunate. Add that to the other 71,000 civilian causalities of the war, also unfortunate. An unavoidable cost of conflict, fortunately the middle east can go stew in it's own juices for a while. America just peaced out. Not gonna lose any sleep over it either.

"FRENCH SUBMARINE!!!!! TRUMP!!!!! OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We droned an ally and a bunch of kids and then lied about it? Hey, shit happens in war. Get over it." ~Seranpk


Can't help but wonder how hard your 180 would be if that happened under Trump.

[Parkbandit]

"FRENCH SUBMARINE!!!!! TRUMP!!!!! OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We droned an ally and a bunch of kids and then lied about it? Hey, shit happens in war. Get over it." ~Seranpk


Can't help but wonder how hard your 180 would be if that happened under Trump.

https://www.fda.gov/media/91025/download

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

One political thing that makes me laugh... Balls has been neg repping me for over a year and my points or whatever they are just keep going up. Love it.

[Neveragain]

"FRENCH SUBMARINE!!!!! TRUMP!!!!! OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We droned an ally and a bunch of kids and then lied about it? Hey, shit happens in war. Get over it." ~Seranpk


Can't help but wonder how hard your 180 would be if that happened under Trump.

No reason to wonder, we already know.

Democrats lost their shit over droning a really bad terrorist. A Democrat drones an aid worker and a bunch of innocent kids "shit happens".

Alt-leftists will ALWAYS choose Barabass.

[Methais]

One political thing that makes me laugh... Balls has been neg repping me for over a year and my points or whatever they are just keep going up. Love it.

He'll never not be raging mad at the world. It's because he's extra stupid and he thinks he's taking a stand. On the internet. On a 30 year old text game forum.

[~Rocktar~]

One political thing that makes me laugh... Balls has been neg repping me for over a year and my points or whatever they are just keep going up. Love it.

Has it been him signing them as Parkbandit too?

LULZ

[Parkbandit]

Has it been him signing them as Parkbandit too?

LULZ

I don't blame him.... everyone wants to be me.

[Shaps]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/n-korea-slams-us-over-020918571.html

Biden's going to start WW3! He's a warmonger! He's going to plunge the world into chaos!

/bow

The above is my re-enactment/recitation of all far Leftists/Media reactions and previous thoughts - what's good for the goose is good for the gander, am I right?

LOL.

[Seran]

Your logic only extends so far apparently. Let me put it this way:

Afghanistan withdrawal - Good.
The way Biden withdrew from Afghanistan - A clusterfuck.

Now.. for this point.

Nuclear powered subs for an ally in a strategic region - Good.
The way Biden's administration handled the negotiations and deconflicted the issue prior to going through with it - A clusterfuck.

See a trend here?

I do see a trend. I see a positive spun into a negative when looked at through your extremely partisan lens.

France was advised of the pending cancelation by the Australian government. Other than that, nothing was going to get that socialist regime from QQing all over the news. Another ally is getting better armaments and as a result, America is still safe. Meanwhile France enjoys spending less than 2% of its budget on security thanks to the United States being it's ally.

I reject reject the premise of your argument about Afghanistan, literally there was no successful exit strategy possible with that weak, corrupt government.

[Methais]

I do see a trend. I see a positive spun into a negative when looked at through your extremely partisan lens.

France was advised of the pending cancelation by the Australian government. Other than that, nothing was going to get that socialist regime from QQing all over the news. Another ally is getting better armaments and as a result, America is still safe. Meanwhile France enjoys spending less than 2% of its budget on security thanks to the United States being it's ally.

I reject reject the premise of your argument about Afghanistan, literally there was no successful exit strategy possible with that weak, corrupt government.

When Biden blasts his load into your mouth, does it taste like moth balls?

[Ashliana]

When Biden blasts his load into your mouth, does it taste like moth balls?

Have you wiped those 4 years of cheeto dust off your chin yet?

[Methais]

https://i.imgur.com/LfdrdXt.png

[Neveragain]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/n-korea-slams-us-over-020918571.html

Biden's going to start WW3! He's a warmonger! He's going to plunge the world into chaos!

/bow

The above is my re-enactment/recitation of all far Leftists/Media reactions and previous thoughts - what's good for the goose is good for the gander, am I right?

LOL.

https://i.gifer.com/3TMy.gif

[Shaps]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZpC8yj9ndk

ROFL. Pretty good.. the speed round of questions at the end is hilarious.

[Shaps]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRqT26z0qMI

ROFL.. now this is what we need more of. This woman has it right! LOL.

:20 to about 1:30

Update:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqtcD-BBlOk

They took down her account for her previous video. Censorship - flat out. People need to wake the fuck up.

Where are all you "lefties" on here? Can you believe they censored a black woman!!?? Hopefully you'll call out this bigotry, racism, and hate! Right? Right?

You won't though... because you're closet bigots and think you know what people of color need, more than they do.

[Shaps]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqtcD-BBlOk

It wouldn't let me load 2 videos in one post.