Things that made you laugh today (Political Version)

[Parkbandit]

Now you will start to see more and more stories about how Biden cannot run again in 2024... and the DC powerbrokers will ensure he won't.

[Seran]

Recession!

[Methais]

In before Seran is like "It's not a recession because..." and then mindlessly repeats whatever the White House is trying to redefine a recession as.

[Seran]

In before Seran is like "It's not a recession because..." and then mindlessly repeats whatever the White House is trying to redefine a recession as.

Sorry you're too late I already said the opposite, go back to bed

[Methais]

Sorry you're too late I already said the opposite

It's still morning. You'll be repeating the WH by sundown.


go back to bed

Unlike you, I have a job that requires me to be awake.

[Suppressed Poet]

Biden will of course try to immediately shift the focus and tout low unemployment, but don’t worry because that will get worse next. It takes a little time to catch up, but as the economy shrinks there will inevitably be fewer hirings and more layoffs (like we are already seeing in the mortgage industry). Unemployment numbers will steadily grow over the next several quarters. The Biden admin will fail to acknowledge we have a problem and/or shift the blame to some external political adversary like always.

[Seran]

We'll see what Biden announces in his speech this afternoon. My hope is he'll come out and state that a cooling of them economy, with the resulting demand and inflation decreases were both anticipated and part of their plan. He can then announce the concrete steps the federal government is taking to keep it a moderate, short term recession and outline policy goals which will help consumers and businesses grow stronger in the months/years to come.

[Suppressed Poet]

We'll see what Biden announces in his speech this afternoon. My hope is he'll come out and state that a cooling of them economy, with the resulting demand and inflation decreases were both anticipated and part of their plan. He can then announce the concrete steps the federal government is taking to keep it a moderate, short term recession and outline policy goals which will help consumers and businesses grow stronger in the months/years to come.

I’m sure he will say something like but:
1) It is not just a cool down or slow economic growth. We’re in two consecutive quarters of negative GDP. Our economy is shrinking. Lets stop downplaying and sugarcoating the problem.
2) Inflation is still rising as of the last month. The federal government can really do only two things to fix it which is reduce government spending and raising interest rates. Both of those actions harm economic growth with the latter being much worse. I mention this because the recession is going to get worse before it gets better. This is not just a short term problem.
3) Remember way back when (yesterday) when the Whitehouse kept saying our nation won’t face a recession? Remember before that when they called inflation transitory and before that it didn’t exist with those concerns being dismissed as unwarranted? At what point are you going to ask yourself the question if the Biden administration is competent or can be trusted? It must be exhausting being constantly lied to and having to make excuses for supporting him.

[Seran]

I’m sure he will say something like but:
1) It is not just a cool down or slow economic growth. We’re in two consecutive quarters of negative GDP. Our economy is shrinking. Let’s stop downplaying and sugarcoating it.

President Biden has a good opportunity to show the difference between leadership and the showmanship of the prior administration by doing just that ; acknowledge what's occurring, encouraging Americans to see hope and to reduce spending, not crater it.


2) Inflation is still rising as of the last month. The federal government can really do only two things to fix it which is reduce government spending and raising interest rates. Both of those actions harm economic growth with the latter being much worse. I mention this because the recession is going to get worse before it gets better. This is not just a short term problem.

Inflation is still rising hard and fast and the breakdown of it was 60-70% as a result of energy prices on each step of the economy. Direct consumer spending on unavoidable purchases, supplier cost push, etc. Reducing government spending? Maybe redirect government spending further away from QE and other capital loan guarantees to allow business credit to once against reflect the actual valuation of companies rather than what easy money allows investors to throw at bogus enterprises. Inflation will begin tapering down, but not at the rate the government original foretold. Energy prices are at last falling, but the results will take months to start showing.



3) Remember way back when (yesterday) when the Whitehouse kept saying our nation won’t face a recession? Remember before that when they called inflation transitory and before that it didn’t exist with those concerns being dismissed as unwarranted? At what point are you going to ask yourself the question if the Biden administration is competent or can be trusted? It must be exhausting being constantly lied to and having to make excuses for supporting him.

Just out of curiosity, what specific reasons do you think the Biden administration is incompetent and unable to be trusted? He laid out an energy plan which had the immediate effect of halting the price increase of oil. Shell's CEO just gave an interview this morning acknowledging that the SPR releases helped and had that immediate effect of stopping the rise of oil. He also said that despite the focus on Russian sanctions, the amount of oil being shipped out of Russia hasn't changed much, which is a reality a lot of us have been saying for some time.

Hearing market analysts saying repeatedly the supply side is still seeing disruptions between shipping costs associated with fuel costs and China still having a downturn in manufacturing, what DO YOU think can be done to alleviate that issue.

[Parkbandit]

We'll see what Biden announces in his speech this afternoon. My hope is he'll come out and state that a cooling of them economy, with the resulting demand and inflation decreases were both anticipated and part of their plan. He can then announce the concrete steps the federal government is taking to keep it a moderate, short term recession and outline policy goals which will help consumers and businesses grow stronger in the months/years to come.

Yes, he meant to create a recession............ this is why they have been spending weeks on re-defining what a recession is.

Only retarded people will believe him..... which is why you are his target audience.
https://www.sheknows.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/qaiifbux2xndygjnmvip.gif?w=600

[Parkbandit]

He will come out and claim this isn't a recession and go on about "job growth" and other such excuses and probably blame Russia/Trump/Covid/Oil Industry for the trouble the country is going through right now.

[Suppressed Poet]

The Biden administration has never been transparent with the American people about the economy or anything else. You don’t think there is political motivation with midterms looming to downplay the current dire conditions of our economy? His so called leadership is a joke.

The Biden admin created an energy policy that discourages the market from making investments to increase output on fossil fuels. Russia just for real this week cut off petroleum to Europe, so we’re likely to see those costs rise further once again. SPR releases are not an accomplishment. At the very best of circumstances it may make a very small difference in the very short term.

I can go on and on about why & how I think the Biden administration is incompetent, but you don’t care. Instead, take a look at any recent poll of Biden or what Americans think about his competence. Hell…just look at exclusively Democrat voter polling and their disapproval on several key issues. Even the media and Democrat party is turning on Biden as they begin to finally recognize how poorly this administration is performing.

[Gelston]

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[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBka1zYZxKk

He should spend less on Botox and more on communications majors.

[Seran]

The Biden administration has never been transparent with the American people about the economy or anything else. You don’t think there is political motivation with midterms looming to downplay the current dire conditions of our economy? His so called leadership is a joke.

The Biden admin created an energy policy that discourages the market from making investments to increase output on fossil fuels. Russia just for real this week cut off petroleum to Europe, so we’re likely to see those costs rise further once again. SPR releases are not an accomplishment. At the very best of circumstances it may make a very small difference in the very short term.

I can go on and on about why & how I think the Biden administration is incompetent, but you don’t care. Instead, take a look at any recent poll of Biden or what Americans think about his competence. Hell…just look at exclusively Democrat voter polling and their disapproval on several key issues. Even the media and Democrat party is turning on Biden as they begin to finally recognize how poorly this administration is performing.

Jeezus. Was hoping you might engage and provide a solution on how things can be fixed in your opinion, but all I got in response was a lot of complaining. Voters understand problems, they also see the only party that is trying to do something about it is Democrats. When Republicans spend every waking moment trying to attack and block those efforts without putting forth any of their own, voters also notice.

[Parkbandit]

Jeezus. Was hoping you might engage and provide a solution on how things can be fixed in your opinion, but all I got in response was a lot of complaining. Voters understand problems, they also see the only party that is trying to do something about it is Democrats. When Republicans spend every waking moment trying to attack and block those efforts without putting forth any of their own, voters also notice.

Without fail, you are always, always, always the dumbest person to post in any given thread on any given day.

Today is not an exception to this rule.

Thank you.

[Methais]

President Biden has a good opportunity to show the difference between leadership and the showmanship of the prior administration by doing just that ; acknowledge what's occurring, encouraging Americans to see hope and to reduce spending, not crater it.



Inflation is still rising hard and fast and the breakdown of it was 60-70% as a result of energy prices on each step of the economy. Direct consumer spending on unavoidable purchases, supplier cost push, etc. Reducing government spending? Maybe redirect government spending further away from QE and other capital loan guarantees to allow business credit to once against reflect the actual valuation of companies rather than what easy money allows investors to throw at bogus enterprises. Inflation will begin tapering down, but not at the rate the government original foretold. Energy prices are at last falling, but the results will take months to start showing.




Just out of curiosity, what specific reasons do you think the Biden administration is incompetent and unable to be trusted? He laid out an energy plan which had the immediate effect of halting the price increase of oil. Shell's CEO just gave an interview this morning acknowledging that the SPR releases helped and had that immediate effect of stopping the rise of oil. He also said that despite the focus on Russian sanctions, the amount of oil being shipped out of Russia hasn't changed much, which is a reality a lot of us have been saying for some time.

Hearing market analysts saying repeatedly the supply side is still seeing disruptions between shipping costs associated with fuel costs and China still having a downturn in manufacturing, what DO YOU think can be done to alleviate that issue.

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[Methais]

Jeezus. Was hoping you might engage and provide a solution on how things can be fixed in your opinion, but all I got in response was a lot of complaining. Voters understand problems, they also see the only party that is trying to do something about it is Democrats. When Republicans spend every waking moment trying to attack and block those efforts without putting forth any of their own, voters also notice.

If Biden is doing such a fantastic job then why do democrats not want him to run in 2024?

[Suppressed Poet]

Jeezus. Was hoping you might engage and provide a solution on how things can be fixed in your opinion, but all I got in response was a lot of complaining. Voters understand problems, they also see the only party that is trying to do something about it is Democrats. When Republicans spend every waking moment trying to attack and block those efforts without putting forth any of their own, voters also notice.

Biden contributed to reaching this destination we are in. I’ll concede there isn’t an easy fix and the President has limited influence / power from this point forward to influence our economy in the right direction. A good start would to first admit that we have a serious domestic economic issues. Perhaps he could apologize to the oil industry for being such a dick when he took office and have regular business round table with petro industry executives to discuss how he can change his energy policy to better support our domestic production needs & energy independence. How about stop printing money for dumb reasons? We’re going to need to have a real talk to Ukraine to say that we support you guys but American interest comes first, and right now we’re kinda broke. Also, maybe we need to think about putting on hold some of these expensive climate change driven alternative energy investments & infrastructure temporarily while our economy recovers.

But nah…instead we’ll just get some kind suggestion that Congress pass a “Don’t Say Recession” bill.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Biden contributed to reaching this destination we are in. I’ll concede there isn’t an easy fix and the President has limited influence / power from this point forward to influence our economy in the right direction. A good start would to first admit that we have a serious domestic economic issues. Perhaps he could apologize to the oil industry for being such a dick when he took office and have regular business round table with petro industry executives to discuss how he can change his energy policy to better support our domestic production needs & energy independence. How about stop printing money for dumb reasons? We’re going to need to have a real talk to Ukraine to say that we support you guys but American interest comes first, and right now we’re kinda broke. Also, maybe we need to think about putting on hold some of these expensive climate change driven alternative energy investments & infrastructure temporarily while our economy recovers.

But nah…instead we’ll just get some kind suggestion that Congress pass a “Don’t Say Recession” bill.

I believe Manchin just caved and they are passing more spending bills as we discuss the recession we are in.

[Seran]

Biden contributed to reaching this destination we are in. I’ll concede there isn’t an easy fix and the President has limited influence / power from this point forward to influence our economy in the right direction. A good start would to first admit that we have a serious domestic economic issues. Perhaps he could apologize to the oil industry for being such a dick when he took office and have regular business round table with petro industry executives to discuss how he can change his energy policy to better support our domestic production needs & energy independence. How about stop printing money for dumb reasons? We’re going to need to have a real talk to Ukraine to say that we support you guys but American interest comes first, and right now we’re kinda broke. Also, maybe we need to think about putting on hold some of these expensive climate change driven alternative energy investments & infrastructure temporarily while our economy recovers.

But nah…instead we’ll just get some kind suggestion that Congress pass a “Don’t Say Recession” bill.

Apologizing to Oil Industry

To let's start with this. If President Biden never said in speeches that he wanted to reduce America's dependence on fossil fuels, never said he wanted to regulate fracking on federal lands, etc., do you think the the Oil Industry would be going whole hog in increasing capital expenditures? I don't think they would, because they've said so repeatedly, that capital expenditures are curtailed as a result of investors demanding higher dividends. Let's forget they're also doing massive stock buybacks, there is no incentive for Big Oil to take action to lower prices domestically when by doing nothing they achieve higher profits.

Their shareholders would likely vote down every single board member who said let's dramatically increase the supply of oil to lower our profits and help everyday Americans. That's reality.

Printing Money for Dumb Reasons

We're running massive deficits, that's the truth. The government is spending more money than it's taken in. This is a combination of massive tax cuts and neither party having a stomach to pass legislation to cut spending. Bear in mind we were drowning in red ink as a result of QE and the cost of wars long before Trump cut taxes, so that made no sense.

But as for the PPP, American Rescue Act, etc., the former prevented our country for sinking into a massive recession or depression as a result of the pandemic. Millions have died worldwide, that's a fact. Businesses didn't have workers due to illness, that's a fact. The business loan forgiveness program that went to non-fraudulent businesses kept a lot of them open and the economy grudgingly staying active, also a fact.

Stimulus to individuals gets spent, particularly for those making less than 75k a year. Why do you think child tax credits have such massive bipartisan support? Money to poorer families with children and who are justified scraping buy allows them to pay bills, rent, buy goods and services that ultimately make up 60% of our GDP.

Defense Relief in Ukraine

I agree in part and disagree in part. I think giving /some/ money or requirement to help the Ukrainian people is no different than any humanitarian assistance we provide to many other countries. The Ukrainian people have a right to defend them from Russian dictatorship and expansionist philosophies.

I don't think we have any business contributing five to ten times as much as other donor countries and I don't believe we should give them a dime to reconstruct. Marshall Plan to help them rebuild their country? No. But here's $300 billion in foreign exchange reserves we are holding from Russia that we'll give to you in installments. Fuck Russia.

Putting a hold on Alternate Energy Investment

No, just no. Fuck no even.

If we stopped outsourcing coal, oil and gas by law and said they would only be used to meet domestic energy needs, our country would be set on fire by the world and by the domestic oil industry. They have absolutely no desire to return to a closed market and would just as soon shut down production, than devote every bit of their output to meet local energy needs. Think differently? Show me where I'm wrong.

Hydroelectric, geothermal, solar and wind energy have been masses boons to a country that's so anti nuclear it's stupid. The amount of power produced even in the redest of state's provides much needed relief for fossil fuel driven plants which are aging and continuously need to be shut down for maintenance.

[Seran]

I believe Manchin just caved and they are passing more spending bills as we discuss the recession we are in.

It's offset by tax increases, so it'll help the deficit. And besides, Manchin won't actually go through with it.

[Methais]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYpHiNbDnVQ

[Tgo01]

The White House's website just redefined what "recession" means so they can now say we aren't in a recession. Get ready for this talking point to make its way through the entire mainstream media and the Democrat party at large.

There has been a struggle between some Wikipedia editors changing the "recession" page to mean what Biden's White House is shitting out, and other editors trying to keep the original definition in place.

CNN, MSNBC, ABC, NBC, and the rest of the leftwing media has been tossing aside the definition we have been using for decades in this country to describe a recession.

It's almost like I can predict the future!

Naww. I just know how the mind of your typical deranged far leftist works and I know the mainstream media is bought and paid for by the Democrats.

[Suppressed Poet]

Seran, you ever buy name brand soda at the grocery store? If you do you will notice they all have the same kind of sales special always going on. Something like buy 4x six packs of bottled Coke for $12, but only when you buy 4. If you buy less than 4 you pay the standard price per six-pack of $5.49 each. They sell it a little cheaper in bulk but in the end, the grocery store and Coca-Cola make more net revenue selling you 4 at a lower price instead of just 1 at a much higher price.

Same basic economic principles of supply & demand do also apply to the oil industry…

[Seran]

Seran, you ever buy name brand soda at the grocery store? If you do you will notice they all have the same kind of sales special always going on. Something like buy 4x six packs of bottled Coke for $12, but only when you buy 4. If you buy less than 4 you pay the standard price per six-pack of $5.49 each. They sell it a little cheaper in bulk but in the end, the grocery store and Coca-Cola make more net revenue selling you 4 at a lower price instead of just 1 at a much higher price.

Same basic economic principles of supply & demand do also apply to the oil industry…

Wait, did you just compare the marketing of soda and bulk pricing to the other oil markets? They're not even remotely similar. Oil prices are set either by ratings agencies hired by oil companies, who determine spot prices for direct, immediate purchases, or they're priced via futures contracts, which is subject to artificial demand creation by non-delivery speculators. Oil doesn't have a shelf life, meaning you can take advantage of a low spot purchase price and sit on a massive delivery of oil until prices increase and you can resale or refine into distillates at a much higher profit rate. Meanwhile, coca cola has a shelf life and my body doesn't care whether the six pack I purchased yesterday or three months ago had wildly different prices. I can't buy a flat of Coca-Cola and sit on it for a year with the hopes of reselling it.

[Suppressed Poet]

Wait, did you just compare the marketing of soda and bulk pricing to the other oil markets? They're not even remotely similar. Oil prices are set either by ratings agencies hired by oil companies, who determine spot prices for direct, immediate purchases, or they're priced via futures contracts, which is subject to artificial demand creation by non-delivery speculators. Oil doesn't have a shelf life, meaning you can take advantage of a low spot purchase price and sit on a massive delivery of oil until prices increase and you can resale or refine into distillates at a much higher profit rate. Meanwhile, coca cola has a shelf life and my body doesn't care whether the six pack I purchased yesterday or three months ago had wildly different prices. I can't buy a flat of Coca-Cola and sit on it for a year with the hopes of reselling it.

Oil company A makes 1 barrel of oil and sells it at $5 per barrel.

Oil company B makes 2 barrels of oil and sells it both at $4 per barrel.

Assume in this very simple example that it cost both companies $1 to produce their barrels of oil. Which company made more of a profit?

The point of this exercise is that you seem to be having trouble grasping that all companies want to sell as much product as they can at the highest possible price. There is an optimal spot on the supply vs demand curve that will afford the business the most profit. When oil is trading at roughly $100+ a barrel, that’s a pretty damn good sign that global demand is outpacing production. The oil companies would absolutely want to make more oil and it wouldn’t make sense for them to suppress their production just to keep the prices high. Now current market conditions could change and shareholders may not want to invest the capital required to increase production, but that’s a more complicated lesson about risk & government regulation.

[Seran]

Oil company A makes 1 barrel of oil and sells it at $5 per barrel.

Oil company B makes 2 barrels of oil and sells it both at $4 per barrel.

Assume in this very simple example that it cost both companies $1 to produce their barrels of oil. Which company made more of a profit?

The point of this exercise is that you seem to be having trouble grasping that all companies want to sell as much product as they can at the highest possible price. There is an optimal spot on the supply vs demand curve that will afford the business the most profit. When oil is trading at roughly $100+ a barrel, that’s a pretty damn good sign that global demand is outpacing production. The oil companies would absolutely want to make more oil and it wouldn’t make sense for them to suppress their production just to keep the prices high. Now current market conditions could change and shareholders may not want to invest the capital required to increase production, but that’s a more complicated lesson about risk & government regulation.

Except no, company B would say, why don't I sell two barrels of oil at $5 a barrel and make a larger profit. What YOU aren't understanding is that domestic oil companies don't have bulk wholesale discounts like you're thinking they do. Spot contracts are priced according to daily oil indexes and are determined by agencies hired by US Oil Companies. They then deliver the product which incurs a varying cost of transport depending on how delivery is done. The second method of contract is a futures contract, which is largely influenced by the WTI price, which is an index of several oil types produced in the US of varying qualities. But this is for delivery at a future date.

So with that in mind,

Oil company A makes 1 barrel of oil and sells it at a spot price of $5 per barrel.

Oil company B may choose to sell 2 barrels of oil at a spot price of $5 per barrel. OR it may offer a futures contract to sell 2 barrels of oil at contracted rate of $4-6 for delivery in October according to speculative pricing. That is the option it has.

Everything else you said was mostly nonsense.

[Suppressed Poet]

Except no, company B would say, why don't I sell two barrels of oil at $5 a barrel and make a larger profit. What YOU aren't understanding is that domestic oil companies don't have bulk wholesale discounts like you're thinking they do. Spot contracts are priced according to daily oil indexes and are determined by agencies hired by US Oil Companies. They then deliver the product which incurs a varying cost of transport depending on how delivery is done. The second method of contract is a futures contract, which is largely influenced by the WTI price, which is an index of several oil types produced in the US of varying qualities. But this is for delivery at a future date.

So with that in mind,

Oil company A makes 1 barrel of oil and sells it at a spot price of $5 per barrel.

Oil company B may choose to sell 2 barrels of oil at a spot price of $5 per barrel. OR it may offer a futures contract to sell 2 barrels of oil at contracted rate of $4-6 for delivery in October according to speculative pricing. That is the option it has.

Everything else you said was mostly nonsense.

I do understand the additional complexity of how oil is valued and that it’s a commodity with global demand. The same basic supply and demand principle still applies. They want to sell as much oil as they can for the highest possible price. Your repeated claim that domestic oil producers are intentionally keeping their production low in an effort to keep demand and prices artificially high doesn’t make dollars. If it ain’t making dollars, it doesn’t make cents (sense).

[Seran]

I do understand the additional complexity of how oil is valued and that it’s a commodity with global demand. The same basic supply and demand principle still applies. They want to sell as much oil as they can for the highest possible price. Your repeated claim that domestic oil producers are intentionally keeping their production low in an effort to keep demand and prices artificially high doesn’t make dollars. If it ain’t making dollars, it doesn’t make cents (sense).

So now you're referring to something in another topic that was never presented in your post as the source of your argument. Okay, let's move to your new goal post.

Domestically produced oil, a globally traded commodity as of 2015, is subject to supply and demand. Right? Right. So, when supply is curtailed by a natural disaster, war, embargoes, then supply drops. As a result, there is more demand for what is available. You with me so far?

Alright, so the second piece of this puzzle that I'm sure is going to absolutely blow your mind, oil companies are private entities in the Untied States and are allowed to produce and sell whatever quantity they want. Shocker, right? So, when demand increases relative to supply, they can sell 100 barrels at higher price.

Two years ago, oil flirted with $20-$30 a barrel for some time and even went negative. Oil is only profitable to sell, that is, to make up for the cost of making more oil available to replace what's sold, at an amount of excess of $40 a barrel. So another shocker, oil companies turned off the taps and sold quite a bit less oil in order to, wait for it, wait until the price of oil went up and they could sell the same oil at a higher price.

Under your fantasy, oil companies were selling the same amount of oil at $20-$30 a barrel that they are now selling for $90-$100 a barrel and that basic misunderstanding of yours is disproven looking at production and sales reports.

[Neveragain]

So now you're referring to something in another topic that was never presented in your post as the source of your argument. Okay, let's move to your new goal post.

Domestically produced oil, a globally traded commodity as of 2015, is subject to supply and demand. Right? Right. So, when supply is curtailed by a natural disaster, war, embargoes, then supply drops. As a result, there is more demand for what is available. You with me so far?

Alright, so the second piece of this puzzle that I'm sure is going to absolutely blow your mind, oil companies are private entities in the Untied States and are allowed to produce and sell whatever quantity they want. Shocker, right? So, when demand increases relative to supply, they can sell 100 barrels at higher price.

Two years ago, oil flirted with $20-$30 a barrel for some time and even went negative. Oil is only profitable to sell, that is, to make up for the cost of making more oil available to replace what's sold, at an amount of excess of $40 a barrel. So another shocker, oil companies turned off the taps and sold quite a bit less oil in order to, wait for it, wait until the price of oil went up and they could sell the same oil at a higher price.

Under your fantasy, oil companies were selling the same amount of oil at $20-$30 a barrel that they are now selling for $90-$100 a barrel and that basic misunderstanding of yours is disproven looking at production and sales reports.

This has already been explained to you.

If you can't sell your tacos at a margin that doesn't cover your expenses you have to close taco stands.

It's like you say stuff but don't understand what you are saying.

[Suppressed Poet]

So now you're referring to something in another topic that was never presented in your post as the source of your argument. Okay, let's move to your new goal post.

Domestically produced oil, a globally traded commodity as of 2015, is subject to supply and demand. Right? Right. So, when supply is curtailed by a natural disaster, war, embargoes, then supply drops. As a result, there is more demand for what is available. You with me so far?

Alright, so the second piece of this puzzle that I'm sure is going to absolutely blow your mind, oil companies are private entities in the Untied States and are allowed to produce and sell whatever quantity they want. Shocker, right? So, when demand increases relative to supply, they can sell 100 barrels at higher price.

Two years ago, oil flirted with $20-$30 a barrel for some time and even went negative. Oil is only profitable to sell, that is, to make up for the cost of making more oil available to replace what's sold, at an amount of excess of $40 a barrel. So another shocker, oil companies turned off the taps and sold quite a bit less oil in order to, wait for it, wait until the price of oil went up and they could sell the same oil at a higher price.

Under your fantasy, oil companies were selling the same amount of oil at $20-$30 a barrel that they are now selling for $90-$100 a barrel and that basic misunderstanding of yours is disproven looking at production and sales reports.


Hey I’m with you. We’re getting somewhere! So you get it.

So yes when oil prices were low like they were before Biden took office, I agree with you and concede the market conditions were not favorable to invest the capital required to increase production capacity. You agree with that, right? So if we’re investors and we’re looking at oil at that moment in time demand is flat and it’s difficult to see when it will increase, in the long term game we are looking towards alternative energy sources to replace fossil fuel, and the industry is already heavily regulated. Lots of risk and little upside = low investment. I think we’re on the same page so far.

Now enter Biden. No more fracking. No more leases on federal land or offshore drilling. Cancel the Keystone pipeline and other commitments we made to more safely & efficiently transport oil. Now on top of where we were before, it just got a lot less appetizing for investors right? Next a series of events happen that I concede can’t all be blamed on Biden…everyone is back at work, everyone is traveling again after being cooped up for 2 years, both Biden and Trump gave the poors stimulus checks, and the big one is war in Ukraine. Now conditions have changed that demand is through the roof, and we consumers all want them to produce more oil. But they can’t…because that investment needed to be made years ago to make a difference today, and the additional government regulation and energy policy of the Biden administration which still is largely in place today makes that investment even more difficult to obtain. It’s not because oil companies just don’t want to produce more oil and make even more money in these times of record high prices.

So in conclusion, I don’t think our high energy costs are ALL the direct control of the president or anything close to that, but Biden certainly didn’t help matters. This administration lacked the foresight to maintain energy independence & these dumb energy policies from the very start were a misguided attempt to satisfy the progressives on environmental issues. We’re paying for it today.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

It's offset by tax increases, so it'll help the deficit. And besides, Manchin won't actually go through with it.

Because increasing taxes in a recession makes sense... and I don't believe for a fucking minute it "pays for itself". That's democrat for we can't do math.

[Methais]

So now you're referring to something in another topic that was never presented in your post as the source of your argument. Okay, let's move to your new goal post.

Domestically produced oil, a globally traded commodity as of 2015, is subject to supply and demand. Right? Right. So, when supply is curtailed by a natural disaster, war, embargoes, then supply drops. As a result, there is more demand for what is available. You with me so far?

Alright, so the second piece of this puzzle that I'm sure is going to absolutely blow your mind, oil companies are private entities in the Untied States and are allowed to produce and sell whatever quantity they want. Shocker, right? So, when demand increases relative to supply, they can sell 100 barrels at higher price.

Two years ago, oil flirted with $20-$30 a barrel for some time and even went negative. Oil is only profitable to sell, that is, to make up for the cost of making more oil available to replace what's sold, at an amount of excess of $40 a barrel. So another shocker, oil companies turned off the taps and sold quite a bit less oil in order to, wait for it, wait until the price of oil went up and they could sell the same oil at a higher price.

Under your fantasy, oil companies were selling the same amount of oil at $20-$30 a barrel that they are now selling for $90-$100 a barrel and that basic misunderstanding of yours is disproven looking at production and sales reports.

https://i.imgur.com/SPCA6j4.png

[Seran]

This has already been explained to you.

If you can't sell your tacos at a margin that doesn't cover your expenses you have to close taco stands.

It's like you say stuff but don't understand what you are saying.

You know you seem to have the same confusion with tacos that the gentleman has with Coca-Cola. They're not apt comparisons but thanks for joining and leaving the discussion.

[Suppressed Poet]

In case any of you missed Biden’s speech today about the economy here is a brief synopsis:

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRrv478wQ1xoBLE4fKaq4riulub3ja4J mhysQ&usqp=CAU

https://y.yarn.co/fe90da79-2022-46c0-a0f7-703a2292c47e_text.gif

https://y.yarn.co/af47613a-5b73-4239-b464-cd1fc4ec0343_text.gif

https://i.makeagif.com/media/10-19-2018/ZBbCg0.gif

[Seran]

Hey I’m with you. We’re getting somewhere! So you get it.

So yes when oil prices were low like they were before Biden took office, I agree with you and concede the market conditions were not favorable to invest the capital required to increase production capacity. You agree with that, right? So if we’re investors and we’re looking at oil at that moment in time demand is flat and it’s difficult to see when it will increase, in the long term game we are looking towards alternative energy sources to replace fossil fuel, and the industry is already heavily regulated. Lots of risk and little upside = low investment. I think we’re on the same page so far.

Now enter Biden. No more fracking. No more leases on federal land or offshore drilling. Cancel the Keystone pipeline and other commitments we made to more safely & efficiently transport oil. Now on top of where we were before, it just got a lot less appetizing for investors right? Next a series of events happen that I concede can’t all be blamed on Biden…everyone is back at work, everyone is traveling again after being cooped up for 2 years, both Biden and Trump gave the poors stimulus checks, and the big one is war in Ukraine. Now conditions have changed that demand is through the roof, and we consumers all want them to produce more oil. But they can’t…because that investment needed to be made years ago to make a difference today, and the additional government regulation and energy policy of the Biden administration which still is largely in place today makes that investment even more difficult to obtain. It’s not because oil companies just don’t want to produce more oil and make even more money in these times of record high prices.

So in conclusion, I don’t think our high energy costs are ALL the direct control of the president or anything close to that, but Biden certainly didn’t help matters. This administration lacked the foresight to maintain energy independence & these dumb energy policies from the very start were a misguided attempt to satisfy the progressives on environmental issues. We’re paying for it today.

Biden said stupid things about fracking, he attempted to make Big Oil look like the murderers of the environment shortly before market conditions and world events caused the price of oil to skyrocket. He deserves every bit of voter sentiment blaming him. It's not all accurate, but he chose the wrong fight and will pay for it. That we agree on.

But his policies are nonexistent, what few he passed have almost entirely been oberturned, blocked or reversed for one reason or another. So where are we? Oil companies still don't have any reason to want to increase supply at a time when they don't have to do anything to hell and still make record breaking profits. Some people will put the blame all on Biden (most Republicans, some Democrats) and other's will blame oil industry scalping (most Democrats, few Republicans). At the end of the day, more oil leases won't generate more drilling, the Keystone XL won't result in more oil this year, the next year or likely the third year because the existing Keystone pipeline isn't at capacity. What we could use? Tax credits for cleaner practices. Royalty reductions for oil companies who increase production at a time of crises, codifying SPR fluidity and repurchases at market rates. Lastly, green policies which decrease American reliance on gasoline without demonizing the oil companies, and celebrating how that'll make more oil available for better causes.

[Seran]

Because increasing taxes in a recession makes sense... and I don't believe for a fucking minute it "pays for itself". That's democrat for we can't do math.

Taxes are on profits. No profits, no taxes. Kthxbye.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Taxes are on profits. No profits, no taxes. Kthxbye.

Goddamn it, I forget you are just a troll. I gotta stop getting sucked into a debate with an imbecile, it's wasted.

[Seran]

Because increasing taxes in a recession makes sense... and I don't believe for a fucking minute it "pays for itself". That's democrat for we can't do math.

Yeah, because this was high minded debate. Haha.

[Neveragain]

You know you seem to have the same confusion with tacos that the gentleman has with Coca-Cola. They're not apt comparisons but thanks for joining and leaving the discussion.

There is no confusion, cog are cogs. It's you who wants to pretend that oil is this magically different thing.

If I can't make enough off a barrel of oil to cover the costs to produce it, I have to lean up my production. Same goes for tacos or any other product sold in a free market.

[Parkbandit]

Yeah, because this was high minded debate. Haha.

Whenever you are involved, it's never a "high minded" anything.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Yeah, because this was high minded debate. Haha.

Troll says what?

[Seran]

There is no confusion, cog are cogs. It's you who wants to pretend that oil is this magically different thing.

If I can't make enough off a barrel of oil to cover the costs to produce it, I have to lean up my production. Same goes for tacos or any other product sold in a free market.

You should remind your friends whenever they're crying about China, Italy or France purchasing American oil of the free market you believe in.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

You should remind your friends whenever they're crying about China, Italy or France purchasing American oil of the free market you believe in.

Troll says what?

[Shaps]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/mayor-bowser-requests-activation-of-dc-national-guard-over-migrant-buses/ar-AA104dSj?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=8b4c6cd841e64f198bde2de528cfe043

"Mayor Bowser requests activation of DC National Guard over migrant buses"

"“The pace of arriving buses and the volume of arrivals have reached tipping points,” Bowser wrote. “Our collective response and service efforts have now become overwhelmed. … Tragically, many families arrive in Washington, DC with nowhere to go, or they remain in limbo seeking onward destinations across the United States.”

ROFL - AHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH

Keep it up Texas and Arizona! Fuck those liberal pieces of shit that have been calling everyone racist the past oh so many years. Fuck them. I hope they shift the buses to Delaware, right outside Bidens house.

Fucking morons finally getting some of what the south has been feeling for the past years. Fuck them

[Shaps]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/biden-admin-quietly-approves-construction-of-u-s-mexico-border-wall-near-yuma-arizona/ar-AA1067eq?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=3a6b97fc6f9f444fb2b21ceb85ecb9e5

"Biden admin quietly approves construction of U.S.-Mexico border wall near Yuma, Arizona"

"Department of Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas authorized the new plan, which was started by the Trump administration, in an effort to "deploy modern, effective border measures" and improve "safety and security along the Southwest Border," the agency said."


ROFL - HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Didn't know the Dems were such racist pieces of shit that hate brown people - oh wait, that's their whole history. Keep sending the migrants to their states Texas and Arizona!

It's all feel good rhetoric, till they have to deal with it on their own doorstep.

Fuck those hypocritical, racist, dumb as fuck pieces of shit.

[ClydeR]

"Biden admin quietly approves construction of U.S.-Mexico border wall near Yuma, Arizona"

Did Biden get Mexico to pay for it? Trump's promise was that he would build a wall and Mexico would pay for it.

[Shaps]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjVyoPzB5F4

Those kids know what's up...

Joe doing so bad, street gangs even talking trash on him... LOL.

[Gelston]

Did Biden get Mexico to pay for it? Trump's promise was that he would build a wall and Mexico would pay for it.

No, but wasn't the biggest complaint the building of a wall in the first place?

[Seran]

Did Biden get Mexico to pay for it? Trump's promise was that he would build a wall and Mexico would pay for it.

Pretty sure Americans ended up paying as much to Steve Bannon in his fake donations scheme to build a wall than was actually spent by the federal government by Trump.

[Seran]

Did Biden get Mexico to pay for it? Trump's promise was that he would build a wall and Mexico would pay for it.

I would think Republicans were thrilled the borders are being made more secure.

[Methais]

I would think Republicans were thrilled the borders are being made more secure.

That doesn't mean the leftist hypocrisy can't still be laughed at and made fun of.

I know you struggle with basic logic, so chances are you won't understand any of this.

[Gelston]

I would think Republicans were thrilled the borders are being made more secure.

I’m happy with it. Best thing Biden has done so far.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Pretty sure Americans ended up paying as much to Steve Bannon in his fake donations scheme to build a wall than was actually spent by the federal government by Trump.

Troll says what?

[Methais]

Troll says what?

A summary of every post Seran has ever made:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgZY6h-Z8-4

[Seran]

That doesn't mean the leftist hypocrisy can't still be laughed at and made fun of.

I know you struggle with basic logic, so chances are you won't understand any of this.

That's definetly the sort of thing that calls to light a certain saying about pots calling kettles black. After all, your lord and savior Trump placed his clove hoof on the Bible and swore to uphold and protect the constitution, only to four years later try to overthrow the government. You all could be forgiven your cultist like devotion if you'd just step away from him and realize the path forward with political compromise is the way forward. You know, like Biden ran on.

[Shaps]

That's definetly the sort of thing that calls to light a certain saying about pots calling kettles black. After all, your lord and savior Trump placed his clove hoof on the Bible and swore to uphold and protect the constitution, only to four years later try to overthrow the government. You all could be forgiven your cultist like devotion if you'd just step away from him and realize the path forward with political compromise is the way forward. You know, like Biden ran on.

ROFL.

[Methais]

That's definetly the sort of thing that calls to light a certain saying about pots calling kettles black. After all, your lord and savior Trump placed his clove hoof on the Bible and swore to uphold and protect the constitution, only to four years later try to overthrow the government. You all could be forgiven your cultist like devotion if you'd just step away from him and realize the path forward with political compromise is the way forward. You know, like Biden ran on.

Stop being a pussy.

[Realk]

I have to wonder how bored we are as people that a long fart gets that many views on you tube... oddly i'm impressed but think he should be getting in the shower also

[Shaps]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gw_pXWbL2c

ROFL - god how we allow this circus to actually happen is beyond me. She literally says at the end...

"we're not finishing a wall, we're cleaning up a mess the prior administration made..."

Fucking insane.

Straight up lies, day after day... and they'll call you all types of names if you call them out on it. Fucking sad.

[~Rocktar~]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gw_pXWbL2c

ROFL - god how we allow this circus to actually happen is beyond me. She literally says at the end...

"we're not finishing a wall, we're cleaning up a mess the prior administration made..."

Fucking insane.

Straight up lies, day after day... and they'll call you all types of names if you call them out on it. Fucking sad.

This is what you get when you go down the diversity hire path. She literally could not have had more preparation and training for this job and still can't manage it. My cat would be better at the podium than her.

[Parkbandit]

This is what you get when you go down the diversity hire path. She literally could not have had more preparation and training for this job and still can't manage it. My cat would be better at the podium that her.

Really? She seems to be doing ok. Can you imagine having to explain the actions of this Administration and spinning it in a positive light?

That's a Herculean feat.

[Shaps]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--psOG9ZX3M

ROFL... suck it Dems! You racist pieces of shit.

[~Rocktar~]

Really? She seems to be doing ok. Can you imagine having to explain the actions of this Administration and spinning it in a positive light?

That's a Herculean feat.

Let me circle back to you on that. I will have someone from my office get you a response later today.

Any reason the forum seems to be double posting my replies?

[Gelston]

https://scontent-atl3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/295521285_10221542081964868_7010868626252290870_n. jpg?stp=cp1_dst-jpg&_nc_cat=106&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=5cd70e&_nc_ohc=3PVuoTlOES8AX-CWbJR&_nc_ht=scontent-atl3-2.xx&oh=00_AT-zPv25knqWqrd4zCbv0Os_BDfmpsfisslu_Qf3xXrN5A&oe=62EB4474

[Neveragain]

clove hoof

It's "cloven"

Go back to school, for Christ sake.

You also need to decide if the bible matters.

[Bhaalizmo]

Let me circle back to you on that. I will have someone from my office get you a response later today.

Any reason the forum seems to be double posting my replies?

It's actually not. You're just retarded.

[Parkbandit]

https://scontent-atl3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/295521285_10221542081964868_7010868626252290870_n. jpg?stp=cp1_dst-jpg&_nc_cat=106&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=5cd70e&_nc_ohc=3PVuoTlOES8AX-CWbJR&_nc_ht=scontent-atl3-2.xx&oh=00_AT-zPv25knqWqrd4zCbv0Os_BDfmpsfisslu_Qf3xXrN5A&oe=62EB4474

Hey now, they are just cleaning up the mess that the previous administration made...................

Like seriously, how fucking retarded do you have to be to believe that?

Answer: Seran level of retarded.

[~Rocktar~]

It's actually not. You're just retarded.

I have deleted multiple cases of it the past few days. Fuck off.

[Shaps]

https://abcnews4.com/news/nation-world/influx-of-americans-angering-mexico-city-residents-locals-f-king-hate-you-leave-gentrification-united-states-immigration-tourism

"'Locals f--king hate you. Leave': Mexicans say American residents are a 'plague'"

"MEXICO CITY, Mexico (TND) — It seems that residents of Mexico City are unhappy about the recent influx of Americans moving to their area. In fact, according to the Los Angeles Times, some residents are downright livid." - LOLOLOLOLOLOLO

"We’re the only brown people. We’re the only people speaking Spanish except the waiters," a Mexico City writer and professor named Fernando Bustos Gorozpe told the LA Times." - HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

"New to the city? Working remotely? You’re a f--king plague and the locals f--king hate you. Leave," read several posters put up in neighborhoods where Americans reside, LA Times reports." - ROFLMAO ROFLMAO ROFLMAO

ROFL... can't make this shit up.

Liberals - destroy where you live, destroy where others live, then move to a new area and start all over. I agree with Mexico - you all are a fucking plague.

[Shaps]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/kim-jong-un-declares-n-211705652.html

"Kim Jong-un declares N. Korea 'ready to mobilize' nuclear weapons and 'eliminate South Korea'"

How's that nuclear clock coming again? LOL

Fuck it... it's so bad, it's not even worth posting the insanity even more. You wanted it to burn, I'm all for letting it burn at this point. Be fun to watch when the cities lose their water, and they no longer allow fossil fuels to heat their homes (ie. NY, etc.)... going to be a lot of insanity to watch happen.

[Seran]

White nationalists call Mexican immigrants rapists and murderers and Mexican nationalists call American immigrants a plague upon their land. And our resident white nationalist blames Liberals, because why not, when you're the party of xenophobia, lies and misdirection used to control your voters, it makes since Shaps would post this.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

White nationalists call Mexican immigrants rapists and murderers and Mexican nationalists call American immigrants a plague upon their land. And our resident white nationalist blames Liberals, because why not, when you're the party of xenophobia, lies and misdirection used to control your voters, it makes since Shaps would post this.

Troll says what?

[Bhaalizmo]

White nationalists call Mexican immigrants rapists and murderers and Mexican nationalists call American immigrants a plague upon their land. And our resident white nationalist blames Liberals, because why not, when you're the party of xenophobia, lies and misdirection used to control your voters, it makes since Shaps would post this.

True indeed.

[Shaps]

White nationalists call Mexican immigrants rapists and murderers and Mexican nationalists call American immigrants a plague upon their land. And our resident white nationalist blames Liberals, because why not, when you're the party of xenophobia, lies and misdirection used to control your voters, it makes since Shaps would post this.

Lol.. white nationalist. You're funny. Just shut the fuck up already. Posting shit and making you look bad has gotten boring. I'm getting tired of punching down (that's one of your sides catch phrases right?)

Just waiting to see what your dumbass says when the election gets close and they start going batshit crazy about the monkeypox (which they're already trying to do) - but this shit already happened in 2003, 2010, etc. - so will be fun to watch idiots like you wearing a spacesuit when you're giving handjobs to vagrants at the train depot.

[Neveragain]

when you're the party of xenophobia, lies and misdirection used to control your voters.

You must be talking about the Democrat party and their 5+ years of using Russia as a bogeyman.

[Seran]

Lol.. white nationalist. You're funny. Just shut the fuck up already. Posting shit and making you look bad has gotten boring. I'm getting tired of punching down (that's one of your sides catch phrases right?)

Just waiting to see what your dumbass says when the election gets close and they start going batshit crazy about the monkeypox (which they're already trying to do) - but this shit already happened in 2003, 2010, etc. - so will be fun to watch idiots like you wearing a spacesuit when you're giving handjobs to vagrants at the train depot.

I know you think yours scoring major points, but you're not. The majority of Americans think the sort of thing you rant and rave about is unimportant, doesn't matter, or they disbelieve it entirely. So while your fraction of the Conservative wing of the Republican party may feed off of it, the rest of the country doesn't care.

[Seran]

You must be talking about the Democrat party and their 5+ years of using Russia as a bogeyman.

Chyyyyna.

[Neveragain]

I know you think yours scoring major points

Education, get one.

[Tgo01]

https://i.redd.it/nkyeeh7ixye91.jpg

[Gelston]

Chyyyyna.

Tell me about this foreign legion and their abraham's tanks though.

[Seran]

Tell me about this foreign legion and their abraham's tanks though.

Deflect!

[Gelston]

Deflect!

Yes, you are very much deflecting.

[ClydeR]

Trump used his social media platform, Truth Social, to wish President Biden well as he recovers from COVID..


"Joe Biden's second bout of Covid, sometimes referred to as the China Virus, was sadly misdiagnosed by his doctors. He instead has Dementia, but is happily recovering well. Joe is thinking of moving, part time, to one of those beautiful Wisconsin Nursing Homes, where almost 100% of the residents miraculously, and for the first time in history, had the strength and energy to vote — even if those votes were cast illegally. Get well soon, Joe!"

[~Rocktar~]

https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/297233554_1786739541673105_432702311440399542_n.jp g?stp=cp6_dst-jpg_p552x414&_nc_cat=103&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=nRU_JYS7b7sAX8RyDeL&tn=LCI0xfiHfig-xse9&_nc_ht=scontent-atl3-1.xx&oh=00_AT-HA0uSCQgADPTQSRAVs_upnkaoLjWxhhDfvvw2T_95oQ&oe=62ECB6D3

[Methais]

Deflect!

You mean like how you did and still are deflecting being called out for things like, but not limited to:

- Saying that republicans are "blocking abstinence"

and

- Your refusal to state what you believe the youngest appropriate age is for sex ed, right after you were crying about teachers not being able to talk to elementary school kids about sex, gender bullshit, etc.



Or did you mean a d-d-d-different type of deflection? Which your claims of deflection just now were immediately following your own deflection post, which is hilarious as fuck because of how monumentally stupid and self unaware you are.

Retard.

[Seran]

Going to have to find some really witty way to describe the difference between apathy and rejecting a false premise.

[Methais]

Going to have to find some really witty way to describe the difference between apathy and rejecting a false premise.

Hey Seran, I have a couple questions.

1) What is abstinence, and how are republicans trying to block it?

2) In your opinion, what's the youngest appropriate age for sex education in schools?


Time for you to deflect again.

[ClydeR]

You probably already heard this, but it is so good that it needs to be repeated. The two leading candidates in Missouri's GOP Senate nominate are Eric Schnmitt and Eric Greitens. Everybody has been waiting to see whom Trump would endorse. Yestereday, he endorsed "Eric." Trump did not give Eric's last name. The primary election is today.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

You probably already heard this, but it is so good that it needs to be repeated. The two leading candidates in Missouri's GOP Senate nominate are Eric Schnmitt and Eric Greitens. Everybody has been waiting to see whom Trump would endorse. Yestereday, he endorsed "Eric." Trump did not give Eric's last name. The primary election is today.

Trump, living rent free in the mainstream media since 2015.

[Methais]

You probably already heard this, but it is so good that it needs to be repeated. The two leading candidates in Missouri's GOP Senate nominate are Eric Schnmitt and Eric Greitens. Everybody has been waiting to see whom Trump would endorse. Yestereday, he endorsed "Eric." Trump did not give Eric's last name. The primary election is today.

So what you're saying is that Trump is right.

https://i.imgur.com/RYt88au.png

[Methais]

https://i.imgur.com/q8M17Zc.jpg



https://i.imgur.com/dtorFtY.png

[Gelston]

I don't think I am going to watch that show.

[Seran]

You probably already heard this, but it is so good that it needs to be repeated. The two leading candidates in Missouri's GOP Senate nominate are Eric Schnmitt and Eric Greitens. Everybody has been waiting to see whom Trump would endorse. Yestereday, he endorsed "Eric." Trump did not give Eric's last name. The primary election is today.

He probably meant his son Eric. After seeing the picture of him on the golf course looking like a sweaty, overweight Doc Brown from Back to the Future, I'm thinking his health and mental status isn't great.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

He probably meant his son Eric. After seeing the picture of him on the golf course looking like a sweaty, overweight Doc Brown from Back to the Future, I'm thinking his health and mental status isn't great.


Troll says what? Post something of substance dude

[Methais]

He probably meant his son Eric. After seeing the picture of him on the golf course looking like a sweaty, overweight Doc Brown from Back to the Future, I'm thinking his health and mental status isn't great.

^ The party of "fat shaming is bad" folks.


my health and mental status aren't great.

This is correct.

Even Hank Johnson's mental state seems top tier compared to Biden on his best day.

[Shaps]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/monkeypox-cases-state-california-york-154428795.html

"Monkeypox state cases: New York, California top numbers as Biden admin declares emergency"

"Confirmed cases of monkeypox have now surpassed 26,800 worldwide, according to Thursday numbers from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention."

ROFL ... can't make this shit up. 27k cases worldwide, of a disease that doesn't kill you... therefore, National Emergency!

Anything to keep power. Sad and pathetic we allow this bullshit to occur. Elections are coming up though, so what else would you expect.

[Seran]

Your right, you can't make diseases up, despite your party through Trump doing their damndest in 2019 and 2020 to make it seem like COVID-19 wasn't real. Only cost them the Whitehouse.

I can see you and the Right are already trying to follow suit with the monkeypox outbreak. Let's see how that works out.

[Neveragain]

I can see you and the Right are already trying to follow suit with the monkeypox outbreak. Let's see how that works out.

Nobody is saying monkeypox isn't real, we just know how it's being spread.

Time to start carding at risk people to access public spaces?

I also believe it was the Democrats calling people conspiracy theorists at the start of the covid-19 outbreak:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFCzoXhNM6c

Gaslight fail.

[Shaps]

Your right, you can't make diseases up, despite your party through Trump doing their damndest in 2019 and 2020 to make it seem like COVID-19 wasn't real. Only cost them the Whitehouse.

I can see you and the Right are already trying to follow suit with the monkeypox outbreak. Let's see how that works out.

Shut up pedo.

[Methais]

Your right, you can't make diseases up, despite your party through Trump doing their damndest in 2019 and 2020 to make it seem like COVID-19 wasn't real. Only cost them the Whitehouse.

I can see you and the Right are already trying to follow suit with the monkeypox outbreak. Let's see how that works out.

Do you think we need another round of mail-in voting for the midterms due to monkeypox?

[Gelston]

The new Inflation Reduction Act would add nearly 87,000 new IRS positions. The current size of the IRS is 75,000.

[drumpel]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/monkeypox-cases-state-california-york-154428795.html

"Monkeypox state cases: New York, California top numbers as Biden admin declares emergency"

"Confirmed cases of monkeypox have now surpassed 26,800 worldwide, according to Thursday numbers from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention."

ROFL ... can't make this shit up. 27k cases worldwide, of a disease that doesn't kill you... therefore, National Emergency!

Anything to keep power. Sad and pathetic we allow this bullshit to occur. Elections are coming up though, so what else would you expect.


No better time to push fear about an illness that's been around (at least known about) since the 1970s with an election coming up.

Get stupid people (my estimate is around 96% of the world population is stupid; got a few of them on the forums here *cough* seran *cough*) to believe that this is so bad and make them so scared (got a couple people at my work that are freaking out about this because they're stupid) of monkeypox that they'll do what they're told by the government....it's scary how easily they're willing to follow what they hear on media/social media.

There was that outbreak of monkeypox in the Midwest back in the early 2000s - did you see how many people died from it? Did you see how many lockdowns they did because of it to control it? The number of deaths from that outbreak was so bad it never surpassed 0 (yep, Zero)! Oh, and no lockdowns were done.

[ClydeR]

Nobody is saying monkeypox isn't real, we just know how it's being spread.

If you get monkeypox, it means you've been doing you know what.





a disease that doesn't kill you

You'll just wish you were dead.

[Tgo01]

The new Inflation Reduction Act would add nearly 87,000 new IRS positions. The current size of the IRS is 75,000.

Gotta get the IRS to harass middle class people who are barely getting by in Biden's America.

It's too difficult for the IRS to go after millionaires and billionaires, poor people can't afford expensive lawyers.

[Methais]

If you get monkeypox, it means you've been doing you know what.






You'll just wish you were dead.

You're stupid.

[Seran]

Labor department numbers are out, half a million new jobs have been added and unemployment has dropped to 3.5%. Guess we're not going to have much of a recession after all. Falling gas prices, deficit reduction by making sure mega corporations can't avoid taxes, a job for everyone who wants one.. Bad news for the Republicans.

[Methais]

Labor department numbers are out, half a million new jobs have been added and unemployment has dropped to 3.5%. Guess we're not going to have much of a recession after all. Falling gas prices, deficit reduction by making sure mega corporations can't avoid taxes, a job for everyone who wants one.. Bad news for the Republicans.

https://c.tenor.com/pJkvMMVa6F4AAAAd/laughing-point.gif

I can't wait for your midterm butthurt rage posts.

[Gelston]

Labor department numbers are out, half a million new jobs have been added and unemployment has dropped to 3.5%. Guess we're not going to have much of a recession after all. Falling gas prices, deficit reduction by making sure mega corporations can't avoid taxes, a job for everyone who wants one.. Bad news for the Republicans.

Yeah, but now 15/hr isn't enough to live on. Guess it is the push for $20 now.

[Seran]

Yeah, but now 15/hr isn't enough to live on. Guess it is the push for $20 now.

I hate the way you break it to you, but without Democrats pushing for minimum wage increases at the state level, most employers would be paying the federal minimum wage of $7.25, and prices would still have increased. Republicans have been trying to make everyone but the Hughes earners into serfs for decades.

[Gelston]

I hate the way you break it to you, but without Democrats pushing for minimum wage increases at the state level, most employers would be paying the federal minimum wage of $7.25, and prices would still have increased. Republicans have been trying to make everyone but the Hughes earners into serfs for decades.

You don't seem to understand the point I was making, and as always, it went straight over your head.

[Suppressed Poet]

You don't seem to understand the point I was making, and as always, it went straight over your head.

Americans need to work two jobs @ higher wages to enjoy the same standard of living they had in 2019.

Seran: Everything is awesome guys! Blue power!

[~Rocktar~]

Labor department numbers are out, half a million new jobs have been added and unemployment has dropped to 3.5%. Guess we're not going to have much of a recession after all. Falling gas prices, deficit reduction by making sure mega corporations can't avoid taxes, a job for everyone who wants one.. Bad news for the Republicans.

YAY, fake unemployment numbers that don't account for the numbers of people that have left the workforce and certainly don't account for the millions of illegals that have entered in the past 2 years but hey, still trying to carry water for Socialism and big government.

[Seran]

YAY, fake unemployment numbers that don't account for the numbers of people that have left the workforce and certainly don't account for the millions of illegals that have entered in the past 2 years but hey, still trying to carry water for Socialism and big government.


Total nonfarm employment has increased by 22.0 million since reaching a low in April 2020 and has returned to its pre-pandemic level.

Oh look, according today's number from the Bureau of Labor Management, you're wrong. For once you might want to try actually researching your frivolous claims.

[~Rocktar~]

Oh look, according today's number from the Bureau of Labor Management, you're wrong. For once you might want to try actually researching your frivolous claims.

So, where in those numbers do they mention those who have left the workforce? Where do they mention the illegals taking up millions of jobs that aren't on the books so to speak? When you morons quote a percentage they don't count those so I am not wrong. You cite one thing that does not address the others at all because you are simply dumb. My claims are accurate and precise. Your citation is unrelated and this irrelevant.

[Seran]

Hey, look at that goal post, it just ironically moved itself to a land where people never get old and retire, get injured and leave the work force and where people just make up intangibles so they can claim it's impossible to disprove their made up figures!

[Shaps]

They haven't done shit. Not even back to pre-pandemic levels. They are not creating jobs, people have just gone back to work - and not even in the numbers previously experienced.

They're numbers are full of shit until such time.

https://www.bls.gov/charts/employment-situation/civilian-labor-force-participation-rate.htm

That's the chart from the Bureau of Labor Statistics. Still down nearly 2%. That's millions of jobs short. Now if they ever get back to pre-pandemic labor force participation rate, then exceed that? - I'll give them some credit, and they will for once actually "created" jobs.

Nearly 2 years, and participation rate has only gone up .5%... that's abysmal.

I know you won't read it. I know you won't understand it. I know you are an idiot, and people such as you are why this clusterfuck will continue to carry on.

[Tgo01]

LOL at Biden's lying "528,000 jobs created in July!" bullshit.

384,000 "jobs" created were all part time jobs.

Another 92,000 jobs went to people....ALREADY WORKING FULL TIME!

Yes that's right. 92,000 jobs went to people who were already working full time, so they are now forced to work 2 jobs just to be able to afford to live in Biden's America. There are now over 430,000 Americans working TWO FULL TIME jobs, the highest rate at any point in US history.

And pieces of shit such as Seran tout this as good news.

[Methais]

Hey, look at that goal post, it just ironically moved itself to a land where people never get old and retire, get injured and leave the work force and where people just make up intangibles so they can claim it's impossible to disprove their made up figures!

If you fire 10,000 people and then hire 10,000 people the next day, you didn't create any jobs.

You know this (not even you could be this retarded), you're just too full of shit to acknowledge it.

On second thought, you really are that retarded and probably do legit believe it.

[Methais]

A summary of today's leftists like Seran and time4fun:

https://i.imgur.com/r9Bn3tb.png

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Hey, look at that goal post, it just ironically moved itself to a land where people never get old and retire, get injured and leave the work force and where people just make up intangibles so they can claim it's impossible to disprove their made up figures!

Troll says what?

[Seran]

Took me a bit to parse the ranting and raving of the far right in the last couple of posts. Seriously, you guys get a D for being so lazy trying to spin the latest positive economic news.

Surprise surprise, the baby boomer generation which was entering retirement age during the Great Recession left the jobs market and never returned. Twelve years later, following the Covid-19 epidemic which killed over a million people and caused an even greater economic decline has followed the same path.

So, civilian labor participation is at 60% according to July's reading. Y'all are reading that like it's the end of the world and I understand political expediency means you're required to. There are 10.7 job openings currently, meaning for any who are entering the job market for the first time or whom are reentering the job market there is a position available. That is a sign of steady economy that un-surprisingly the Republicans are overlooking.

Labor participation is still high on a historical level, our unemployment rate shows just why it's so low compared to the civilian participation rate, but feel free to keep crying about the baby boomers retiring!

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/EMRATIO

[Methais]

Took me a bit to parse the ranting and raving of the far right in the last couple of posts. Seriously, you guys get a D for being so lazy trying to spin the latest positive economic news.

Surprise surprise, the baby boomer generation which was entering retirement age during the Great Recession left the jobs market and never returned. Twelve years later, following the Covid-19 epidemic which killed over a million people and caused an even greater economic decline has followed the same path.

So, civilian labor participation is at 60% according to July's reading. Y'all are reading that like it's the end of the world and I understand political expediency means you're required to. There are 10.7 job openings currently, meaning for any who are entering the job market for the first time or whom are reentering the job market there is a position available. That is a sign of steady economy that un-surprisingly the Republicans are overlooking.

Labor participation is still high on a historical level, our unemployment rate shows just why it's so low compared to the civilian participation rate, but feel free to keep crying about the baby boomers retiring!

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/EMRATIO

0/10 obvious troll is obvious.

[Methais]

https://i.imgur.com/Wyu3dsZ.png

[Gelston]

Latinx is already on the down because it was 100% made up by white latte sipping woke soccer moms.

[Methais]

Latinx is already on the down because it was 100% made up by white latte sipping woke soccer moms.

They're trying to make Filipinx a thing now.

[Methais]

https://i.imgur.com/4w73G99.png

EDIT: This

https://i.imgur.com/z2ciRgC.png

Seran:

https://c.tenor.com/P5_hF2KzfqEAAAAC/uhhuh-clap.gif

[drumpel]

Gas isn't fast dropping in price around me. It got to around $4.90 and still around $4.10. White House is a bunch of lying motherfuckers.

[Tgo01]

Gas isn't fast dropping in price around me. It got to around $4.90 and still around $4.10. White House is a bunch of lying motherfuckers.

Finally 3.99 in my area. Thanks for lowering the price of gas, Putin!

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Finally 3.99 in my area. Thanks for lowering the price of gas, Putin!

And selling our strategic reserves to China and the rest of the world, thus weakening our ability to respond to further crisis. I guess the Putin price reduction could be considered Russian meddling but Biden is off with his addict felon son vacationing for free at a multihundred million dollar facility, so we won't hear anything about that while he's in hiding.

We need a revolution. The geriatrics in both parties running this nation are mostly career criminals and need to be expunged from power.

[Gelston]

$3.20 is the lowest price here, if you are a Sam's Club member.

[Methais]

$3.20 is the lowest price here, if you are a Sam's Club member.

Cheap gas was $3.63 here a couple days ago. Haven't checked since then.

[Shaps]

As said... create a problem, slap around the people some with a closed fist... then when you move to an open handed slap - they'll thank you for it.

This is torture 101 on a mass scale.

[Shaps]

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-08-02/geico-closes-all-california-locations-lays-off-more-than-100

"Want Geico insurance in California? You have to get it online or on an app now"

"The Sacramento Bee reported Monday that Geico had closed each of its 38 offices in the state, resulting in more than 100 layoffs. The insurer’s website showed no available locations or agents as of Tuesday morning."

Think their actuaries were like "fuck this place!"...

California - the roadmap to success!

[Methais]

Apparently Metallica is racist and needs to be cancelled...


https://youtu.be/AiZxFvdWkDk

[drumpel]

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-08-02/geico-closes-all-california-locations-lays-off-more-than-100

"Want Geico insurance in California? You have to get it online or on an app now"

"The Sacramento Bee reported Monday that Geico had closed each of its 38 offices in the state, resulting in more than 100 layoffs. The insurer’s website showed no available locations or agents as of Tuesday morning."

Think their actuaries were like "fuck this place!"...

California - the roadmap to success!

I took some classes years ago, small college place - doing math, computer coding and such. I arrived outside the building that classes were held and there's roughly 60+ people that take classes and teach, standing outside locked doors, reading the paper that's tapped to the door. The school closed without notification to anyone. Teachers' last paychecks weren't paid out and students tuition that was due literally the day before was never refunded. The school ended up dissolving and there was no more school in existence that you could sue. I know what it's like to have something closed on you without any notification, it sucks. Hopefully those agents were given warning and paid out their last days of work.

[Seran]

Oh man, speaking of good governance, this made me smile. Starlink has shoddy service and despite constantly launching new satellites into it's constellation, it's service is poor. 5G is coming hard for the frequency range that Starlink has tried to monopolize and it has been far more effective for users in far larger deployment areas.


FCC Rejects LTD Broadband, Starlink Bids for Broadband Subsidies

The Commission determined that theseapplications failed to demonstrate that the providers could deliver the promised service. Fundingthese vast proposed networks would not be the best use of limited Universal Service Fund dollarsto bring broadband to unserved areas across the United States, the Commission concluded.

“Starlink’s technology has real promise,” continued Chairwoman Rosenworcel. “But thequestion before us was whether to publicly subsidize its still developing technology for consumerbroadband—which requires that users purchase a $600 dish—with nearly $900 million inuniversal service funds until 2032.”

To date, the RDOF program has authorized more than $5 billion in funding to bring primarilyfiber gigabit broadband service to over 3,000,000 locations in 47 states. With support from thisprogram, hundreds of carriers have already begun deploying these future-proof networks toconnect unserved areas.


https://www.fcc.gov/document/fcc-rejects-ltd-broadband-starlink-bids-broadband-subsidies

[~Rocktar~]

Oh man, speaking of good governance, this made me smile. Starlink has shoddy service and despite constantly launching new satellites into it's constellation, it's service is poor. 5G is coming hard for the frequency range that Starlink has tried to monopolize and it has been far more effective for users in far larger deployment areas.



https://www.fcc.gov/document/fcc-rejects-ltd-broadband-starlink-bids-broadband-subsidies

Because that isn't political at all with the current administrations beef with Musk. Nope, not at all. You do realize they subsidize or are supposed to be subsidizing some of the shittiest telecom in the country to try and improve it but yeah, that works as intended. Not.

[Seran]

Expanded fiber, 5gz towers and other terrestrial options are a lot less moldy pie in the sky than Starlink

[Shaps]

https://www.voanews.com/a/how-elon-musk-s-starlink-is-helping-ukraine-during-war-with-russia/6641210.html

"How Elon Musk's Starlink Is Helping Ukraine During War With Russia"

Yes, yes... just a couple months ago, the system was praised for keeping Ukraine connected to the world - because you know... fiber cables could never be cut, towers never blown down, or other "terrestrial options" destroyed.

Guess it's only good when helping out places our Government wants...

[Seran]

https://www.voanews.com/a/how-elon-musk-s-starlink-is-helping-ukraine-during-war-with-russia/6641210.html

"How Elon Musk's Starlink Is Helping Ukraine During War With Russia"

Yes, yes... just a couple months ago, the system was praised for keeping Ukraine connected to the world - because you know... fiber cables could never be cut, towers never blown down, or other "terrestrial options" destroyed.

Guess it's only good when helping out places our Government wants...

Umm, yeah, like our own country and people. Makes sense doesn't it, that we're more concerned with our own people's welfare? You damn socialist.

[Shaps]

Umm, yeah, like our own country and people. Makes sense doesn't it, that we're more concerned with our own people's welfare? You damn socialist.

YOU... ARE... A... FUCKING... MORON.

All the response you ever deserve.

[Methais]

Umm, yeah, like our own country and people. Makes sense doesn't it, that we're more concerned with our own people's welfare? You damn socialist.

Why are you this retarded?

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/aug/17/liz-cheney-president-2024-trump-republican-primary-defeat

Liz Cheney considers run for president after Republican primary defeatCheney decisively lost (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/aug/16/wyoming-republican-primary-liz-cheney-donald-trump-harriet-hageman) her Republican primary race on Tuesday night and will lose her seat in the US Congress.
The Trump-backed challenger Harriet Hageman beat Cheney by almost 40 points, after Wyoming voters took revenge on Cheney for voting to impeach Trump and for focusing on her role on the January 6 House select committee investigating his possible role in fomenting the insurrection at the US Capitol by his supporters on 6 January 2021, in a vain attempt to stay in office.

[Tgo01]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/aug/17/liz-cheney-president-2024-trump-republican-primary-defeat

Liz Cheney considers run for president after Republican primary defeatCheney decisively lost (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/aug/16/wyoming-republican-primary-liz-cheney-donald-trump-harriet-hageman) her Republican primary race on Tuesday night and will lose her seat in the US Congress.
The Trump-backed challenger Harriet Hageman beat Cheney by almost 40 points, after Wyoming voters took revenge on Cheney for voting to impeach Trump and for focusing on her role on the January 6 House select committee investigating his possible role in fomenting the insurrection at the US Capitol by his supporters on 6 January 2021, in a vain attempt to stay in office.

8 of the 10 traitors either decided not to even bother running for reelection or lost their primary.

Only 2 are advancing to the general election, and the polls are showing they will both probably lose their general election.

Sometimes good things do happen.

[~Rocktar~]

8 of the 10 traitors either decided not to even bother running for reelection or lost their primary.

Only 2 are advancing to the general election, and the polls are showing they will both probably lose their general election.

Sometimes good things do happen.

Would have been better if they lost their primary so we could keep the seat but yeah, they got to go.

[ClydeR]

The Trump-backed challenger Harriet Hageman beat Cheney by almost 40 points, after Wyoming voters took revenge on Cheney for voting to impeach Trump and for focusing on her role on the January 6 House select committee investigating his possible role in fomenting the insurrection at the US Capitol by his supporters on 6 January 2021, in a vain attempt to stay in office.


Trump has taken down some of the most powerful people imaginable.

In 2016, he ousted the presumptive Republican nominee, Jeb Bush, who would have been the third Bush President. Then he beat Hillary Clinton. Now he has defeated, at least for the moment, Liz Cheney. Bushes, Clintons and Cheneys. He upended the entire political status quo. Except he could not beat Joe Biden, of course, but that would be too much to expect from anybody.

[ClydeR]

In the appearance on FOX News on Thursday morning, Grassley offered a dire warning to viewers over a spending plan in Congress that would include funding for 87,000 IRS employees over the next decade. The Treasury Department has said those thousands of jobs would be spread across the agency, including an increase in IT employees and replacing retiring employees. Grassley, though, says he worries of a more sinister intent.

“Are they going to have a strike force that goes in with AK-15s (sic) already loaded ready to shoot some small business person in Iowa with these? Because I think they are going after middle class and small business people because basically they think anyone that has pass-through income is a crook and they aren’t paying their fair share and we’re going to go after them,” Grassley said in the interview.

More... (https://who13.com/news/grassley-warns-iowans-of-irs-agents-with-ak-15s-ready-to-shoot-business-owners/)

Yeah, who knows what new IRS employees might do? It could be anything!

[Shaps]

Yeah, who knows what new IRS employees might do? It could be anything!

If they'd just pass a flat 20% federal tax on everyone... we could reduce the IRS by 75%. Won't happen, but here's to wishful thinking.

[~Rocktar~]

Trump has taken down some of the most powerful people imaginable.

In 2016, he ousted the presumptive Republican nominee, Jeb Bush, who would have been the third Bush President. Then he beat Hillary Clinton. Now he has defeated, at least for the moment, Liz Cheney. Bushes, Clintons and Cheneys. He upended the entire political status quo. Except he could not beat Joe Biden, of course, but that would be too much to expect from anybody.

It took 2000 mules to install one Jackass.

[Seran]

If they'd just pass a flat 20% federal tax on everyone... we could reduce the IRS by 75%. Won't happen, but here's to wishful thinking.

You and the 1% are the only people wishing someone making $20,000 a year and someone making $40,000,000 a year be taxed at the same 20% rate.

[~Rocktar~]

You and the 1% are the only people wishing someone making $20,000 a year and someone making $40,000,000 a year be taxed at the same 20% rate.

Many of the European nations that you Lefists love to champion as how "Socialism" has succeeded tax all income brackets. It tends to make voters think about tax increases when they affect them personally. But you and the Left are like "Nah Brah, it's unfair to make people equal before the law."

[~Rocktar~]

Yeah, who knows what new IRS employees might do? It could be anything!

They don't need funding to hire new employees to replace retiring staff and maintain staff levels. This is a farce, they want to build their version of the Stazi to terrorize people even more.

[Parkbandit]

If they'd just pass a flat 20% federal tax on everyone... we could reduce the IRS by 75%. Won't happen, but here's to wishful thinking.

It'll never happen because politicians are beholden to the lawyers, accountants and software companies that make billions of dollars from our current tax system.

They don't care if it's fair or not... just that it's completely convoluted and complicated to force people and companies to pay "professionals" to pay their taxes.

[Gelston]

You and the 1% are the only people wishing someone making $20,000 a year and someone making $40,000,000 a year be taxed at the same 20% rate.

Flat taxes, with no exemptions at all, are very popular. The Government would bring in more money than it brings in now with even a 10% flat tax too, which is the minimum tax rate for the lowest earners right now.

[Seran]

Many of the European nations that you Lefists love to champion as how "Socialism" has succeeded tax all income brackets. It tends to make voters think about tax increases when they affect them personally. But you and the Left are like "Nah Brah, it's unfair to make people equal before the law."

Succeeded tax all income brackets? What the fuck is that gibberish.

[Seran]

Flat taxes, with no exemptions at all, are very popular. The Government would bring in more money than it brings in now with even a 10% flat tax too, which is the minimum tax rate for the lowest earners right now.

Sure, flat regressive taxes are incredibly popular amongst the wealthy who are eager to increase their wealth. A graduated income tax on base salaries and capital gains taxes are how the uber wealthy, whose income is primarily derived from stock options, are how the playing field is even remotely leveled in our country.

[Gelston]

Sure, flat regressive taxes are incredibly popular amongst the wealthy who are eager to increase their wealth. A graduated income tax on base salaries and capital gains taxes are how the uber wealthy, whose income is primarily derived from stock options, are how the playing field is even remotely leveled in our country.

Again, they'd on average be charged MORE because there are NO DEDUCTIONS at all.

Of course, there is also the Fair Tax, which I kinda like. It removes all income taxes, and creates a high tax rate on goods sold. IRS no longer worries about individual citizens, but rather, businesses only.

[Parkbandit]

Succeeded tax all income brackets? What the fuck is that gibberish.

Bro.. didn't you just type out "Yours welcome on his half." and you are trying to figure out what Rocktar posted?

How are you always the dumbest poster in every.single.thread. you post in?

[Parkbandit]

Sure, flat regressive taxes are incredibly popular amongst the wealthy who are eager to increase their wealth. A graduated income tax on base salaries and capital gains taxes are how the uber wealthy, whose income is primarily derived from stock options, are how the playing field is even remotely leveled in our country.

The current tax system benefits the wealthy as it is. They don't want to change it.

[Methais]

Many of the European nations that you Lefists love to champion as how "Socialism" has succeeded tax all income brackets. It tends to make voters think about tax increases when they affect them personally. But you and the Left are like "Nah Brah, it's unfair to make people equal before the law."Succeeded tax all income brackets? What the fuck is that gibberish.

In your attempt to sound like you know what words mean, because you're notorious for having no clue what anything actually means, you've managed to remind everyone again that you still don't know what words mean.

In other words, you've failed yet again.

https://i.imgur.com/O2CSyRU.png

I'll let you figure out which definition is the applicable one. Retard



Sure, flat regressive taxes are incredibly popular amongst the wealthy who are eager to increase their wealth. A graduated income tax on base salaries and capital gains taxes are how the uber wealthy, whose income is primarily derived from stock options, are how the playing field is even remotely leveled in our country.

How's that working out so far for "equality"?

[Seran]

Again, they'd on average be charged MORE because there are NO DEDUCTIONS at all.

Of course, there is also the Fair Tax, which I kinda like. It removes all income taxes, and creates a high tax rate on goods sold. IRS no longer worries about individual citizens, but rather, businesses only.

That's a slightly more feasible option, similar to a VAT only on the tangible good. Problem being, so many businesses don't have tangible good but rather a service and the value of those services are subjective. Instead of levying a tax on a defined salary, business profit, you're going to have to create a price structure on services.

Or we could just keep the existing system, collect all those unpaid taxes and find some middle ground between raising taxes and cutting services to return to balanced budgets.

[Gelston]

That's a slightly more feasible option, similar to a VAT only on the tangible good. Problem being, so many businesses don't have tangible good but rather a service and the value of those services are subjective. Instead of levying a tax on a defined salary, business profit, you're going to have to create a price structure on services.

Or we could just keep the existing system, collect all those unpaid taxes and find some middle ground between raising taxes and cutting services to return to balanced budgets.

Services wouldn't be taxed. Services still require the purchase of goods, however. Whether they are sold by the person performing the service, or the person performing the service has to buy them.

But yes, all of the billionaires you claim to hate would love to keep the current system.

[Methais]

Services wouldn't be taxed. Services still require the purchase of goods, however. Whether they are sold by the person performing the service, or the person performing the service has to buy them.

But yes, all of the billionaires you claim to hate would love to keep the current system.

Seran's so stupid that he loves the rich but doesn't even realize it.

[~Rocktar~]

Succeeded tax all income brackets? What the fuck is that gibberish.

How are you so retarded? Who feeds you because I am sure you can't manage it yourself.

Here, I will break it down long hand with simple sentances.

Many European nations are championed by the Left.

Those nations are places where the Left claims Socialism has succeeded.

Many of those nations tax everyone, every tax bracket, they don't have nearly 50% of the population not paying income tax.

Because the rich and poor alike all pay income tax, they tend to think more cautiously about voting for tax increases.

The Left can't stand the idea of people being equal before the law.

Does that clear it up for you? Do I need to use smaller words? Can your government funded attendant explain it to you so you can understand?

[Seran]

Services wouldn't be taxed. Services still require the purchase of goods, however. Whether they are sold by the person performing the service, or the person performing the service has to buy them.

But yes, all of the billionaires you claim to hate would love to keep the current system.

As you or no one else has submitted a a detailed fiscal plan in the last 20 years of how your proposed tax rate would work in the united states, I'm pretty confident that it has a snowball's chance of hell of ever working

[Tgo01]

So Democrats passed the "Inflation Reduction Act" which included 7500 dollars in electric vehicle credits.

Shortly after it was passed GM and Ford raised the prices of their electric vehicles by between 6000 and 8500 dollars.

You can't even make this shit up.

Democrats: "We're gonna make electric vehicles affordable by having the tax payers foot the bill!"
Car companies: "Oh yeah, LOL! We are raising the prices by the same amount as the tax credits! Thanks, suckers! LOL LOL LOL!"

[~Rocktar~]

So Democrats passed the "Inflation Reduction Act" which included 7500 dollars in electric vehicle credits.

Shortly after it was passed GM and Ford raised the prices of their electric vehicles by between 6000 and 8500 dollars.

You can't even make this shit up.

Democrats: "We're gonna make electric vehicles affordable by having the tax payers foot the bill!"
Car companies: "Oh yeah, LOL! We are raising the prices by the same amount as the tax credits! Thanks, suckers! LOL LOL LOL!"

Fun fact, most EVs won't qualify for the incentives due to the origin of their batteries and battery materials.

[time4fun]

Fun fact, most EVs won't qualify for the incentives due to the origin of their batteries and battery materials.

Except all used ones.

And most won't qualify for the full refund. But many will qualify for half

I'm against the requirements personally, but you ARE leaving out that the requirements are there to incentivize American manufacturing

[Suppressed Poet]

Except all used ones.

And most won't qualify for the full refund. But many will qualify for half

I'm against the requirements personally, but you ARE leaving out that the requirements are there to incentivize American manufacturing

Wrong again.

China currently owns & dominates the EV market. They are way far ahead manufacturing EVs compared to any other nation in the world. They can produce EVs at better quality & cheaper. We’re about to be flooded with imports worse than the Japs with their subcompacts in the 70s.

We can’t say no to China because 1) The American automotive manufacturers enjoy a lucrative market in their country and without that they would be bankrupt & 2) The Biden administration is both bought and paid for + a giant pussy on the world stage that has no clear foreign policy especially when it comes to China.

[~Rocktar~]

Except all used ones.

And most won't qualify for the full refund. But many will qualify for half

I'm against the requirements personally, but you ARE leaving out that the requirements are there to incentivize American manufacturing

Anyone that buys a used EV more than 2 years old is a moron with the prospects of having to drop half the cost of the vehicle for a new battery which is why the used market for them is garbage. So,yeah, practically, most will not qualify.

[time4fun]

Wrong again.

China currently owns & dominates the EV market. They are way far ahead manufacturing EVs compared to any other nation in the world. They can produce EVs at better quality & cheaper. We’re about to be flooded with imports worse than the Japs with their subcompacts in the 70s.

We can’t say no to China because 1) The American automotive manufacturers enjoy a lucrative market in their country and without that they would be bankrupt & 2) The Biden administration is both bought and paid for + a giant pussy on the world stage that has no clear foreign policy especially when it comes to China.

The rules don't say that all of the metals or even manufacturing have to be from the US. It's like 40%- so nothing you're saying supports your conclusion.

Also did you really say "Japs"? It's just sad to watch a full grown adult throw a silent tantrum over treating people with respect

[time4fun]

Anyone that buys a used EV more than 2 years old is a moron with the prospects of having to drop half the cost of the vehicle for a new battery which is why the used market for them is garbage. So,yeah, practically, most will not qualify.

Seriously it's like you've never heard of a Tesla.

Having owned two EVs, I can tell you the batteries don't die after 2 years. The average EV battery is good for 10-20 years.

My god why are you so allergic to fact checking?

[Suppressed Poet]

The rules don't say that all of the metals or even manufacturing have to be from the US. It's like 40%- so nothing you're saying supports your conclusion.

Also did you really say "Japs"? It's just sad to watch a full grown adult throw a silent tantrum over treating people with respect

Oh you misunderstand. This is the political way that they can wash their hands from what’s about to happen. They can say they tried making a fair market for domestics. This tax credit won’t matter because it isn’t enough and already a lost cause.

Silent tantrum? Nope. Honestly didn’t mean Japs in an offensive way, but you’re welcome for that virtue signaling platform Yoko Ono.

[~Rocktar~]

Seriously it's like you've never heard of a Tesla.

Having owned two EVs, I can tell you the batteries don't die after 2 years. The average EV battery is good for 10-20 years.

My god why are you so allergic to fact checking?

Where do the battery materials come from? Most of it is from overseas not matter who makes the battery. What is the majority of weight in the vehicle? The battery. How are you so fucking dumb?

Here is Reuters to tell you how dumb you are.


WASHINGTON, Aug 5 (Reuters) - Most electric-vehicle models would be ineligible for a $7,500 tax credit for U.S. buyers under a Democratic proposal in the U.S. Senate, a group of major automakers said on Friday.

Automakers have been privately expressing concern about the proposal's increasing requirements for vehicles' batteries and critical-mineral contents to be sourced from the United States.

John Bozzella, heads of the Alliance for Automotive Innovation that represents General Motors (GM.N), Toyota Motor (7203.T), and Ford Motor among others, said a July 27 proposal by Senators Chuck Schumer and Joe Manchin would make 70% of 72 U.S. electric, plug-in hybrid and fuel-cell EVs ineligible upon passage.

"None would qualify for the full credit when additional sourcing requirements go into effect," he said.

Car makers want significant changes to the proposal, which is part of a larger drug pricing, energy and tax bill.

Without the tax credit, the vehicles become more costly for American consumers, and this could impact demand and sales. It could also slow progress toward President Joe Biden's target to have half of all new vehicles sold be electric or plug-in hybrid models in 2030.

An analysis by the Congressional Budget Office on Wednesday suggested just 11,000 new EVs would use the credit in 2023. read more

Manchin and Schumer's offices did not immediately comment. The Senate could vote as soon as Saturday on the bill.

"I don't believe that we should be building a transportation mode on the backs of foreign supply chains," Manchin said on Tuesday.

The bill includes rising requirements for the percentage of battery components originating from North America based on value. After 2023, it would disallow batteries with any Chinese components.

"A more gradual phase-in of the battery component, critical mineral and final assembly requirements – that better reflect current geopolitical, sourcing and mineral extraction realities – will preserve the credit for millions of Americans," Bozzella wrote.

Automakers want to expand countries from which batteries, battery components and critical minerals can be sourced to include NATO members, Japan and others.

The new EV tax credits, which would expire at the end of 2032, would be limited to trucks, vans and SUVs with suggested retail prices of no more than $80,000 and to cars priced at no more than $55,000. They would be limited to families with adjusted gross incomes of up to $300,000 annually.

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/us-auto-trade-group-warns-ev-tax-proposal-would-make-70-ineligible-2022-08-05/

[~Rocktar~]

https://youtu.be/O8A0gWznOIw

[Suppressed Poet]

Seriously it's like you've never heard of a Tesla.

Having owned two EVs, I can tell you the batteries don't die after 2 years. The average EV battery is good for 10-20 years.

My god why are you so allergic to fact checking?

Environmentally speaking, electric vehicle batteries are far from perfect: assembling them depletes the earth of its natural resources, manufacturing them is energy-intensive, charging them requires dirty energy, recycling them is nearly impossible. All the while your corporate & government overlords are still consuming mass quantities of jet guzzoline & three quarters of the world still burn dung to survive.

So great job being a climate change denier Captain Pollution. Also Elon Musk disagrees with your political ideology.

[Parkbandit]

Having owned two EVs, I can tell you the batteries don't die after 2 years.

THERE she is.

I was wondering when your true self would rear it's ugly head again.

Well played.

More posts like this and I'll be forced to give you a title shot.

[Tgo01]

THERE she is.

I was wondering when your true self would rear it's ugly head again.

Well played.

More posts like this and I'll be forced to give you a title shot.

I'm just surprised she didn't say she built or designed 2 EVs herself.

[Parkbandit]

I'm just surprised she didn't say she built or designed 2 EVs herself.

Baby steps.. she's working up to it.

[Methais]

GREEN ENERGY HAS FINALLY COME TO THE SEA!!!!!!!!!111

https://i.imgur.com/7Av7hzi.png

[Shaps]

GREEN ENERGY HAS FINALLY COME TO THE SEA!!!!!!!!!111

https://i.imgur.com/7Av7hzi.png

ROFL... that has to be a meme right??? Holy fucking shit.. I know people are dumb... but c'mon!

[Shaps]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YB_cDF3itJk

Shit made me actually laugh.. wait till 28 seconds for the joke... LOL.

[Methais]

My god why am I so allergic to not being retarded?

Yes, why is this? Seek help.


Silent tantrum? Nope. Honestly didn’t mean Japs in an offensive way, but you’re welcome for that virtue signaling platform Yoko Ono.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wP3dOUl3Xg

[Shaps]

https://www.barrons.com/articles/irs-audits-biden-inflation-bill-51660671582?siteid=yhoof2

"More Audits Are on the Way for Taxpayers. How to Respond if You’re Targeted."

This is a great thing! It's easy. If you get audited follow these simple steps!

Imagine in todays day and age - with computing power - needing MORE personnel, as opposed to LESS. Weird how automation kills positions for human labor... except in the one place we really don't want more of them.

Piece by piece... slowly tightening the noose around the populous.

[Methais]

THERE she is.

I was wondering when your true self would rear it's ugly head again.

Well played.

More posts like this and I'll be forced to give you a title shot.

The best part is how the math doesn't add up.

Hey time4fun, what years did you purchase your first and second EV, and why are you on your 2nd EV when you should still be on your first?

[Shaps]

Fun facts:

IRS #: 75k + whatever they add coming up - reports of 80k more = 155k.
DOJ #: 113k - This includes FBI, DEA, Marshalls, ATF, DEA, Prisons and all the law divisions combined

So.. when all said and done.. the IRS is going to have more employees than the entire DOJ.. when taxes are automated and handled by computers for the most part.

Seems logical right? I'm sure nothing at all will go wrong with this.

[Seran]

Fun facts:

IRS #: 75k + whatever they add coming up - reports of 80k more = 155k.
DOJ #: 113k - This includes FBI, DEA, Marshalls, ATF, DEA, Prisons and all the law divisions combined

So.. when all said and done.. the IRS is going to have more employees than the entire DOJ.. when taxes are automated and handled by computers for the most part.

Seems logical right? I'm sure nothing at all will go wrong with this.

Mmhmm, for the most part is a pretty big difference when you consider only W-2 employees are only 'automated' if their employers remit payroll taxes timely. Consider the massive boost in tax receipts projected as a result of making people pay lawful taxes by having more people at the IRS, it's a wonder why Republicans are pro-tax fraud.

[Tgo01]

Why didn't the Democrats just solve world hunger instead of spending 80 billion dollars hiring more IRS agents?

After all Democrats told us that Elon Musk could have solved world hunger for 40 billion dollars instead of buying Twitter.

[Methais]

Why didn't the Democrats just solve world hunger instead of spending 80 billion dollars hiring more IRS agents?

After all Democrats told us that Elon Musk could have solved world hunger for 40 billion dollars instead of buying Twitter.

In before Seran unironically says, "Why do you hate paying taxes?"

[Gelston]

Fun facts:

IRS #: 75k + whatever they add coming up - reports of 80k more = 155k.
DOJ #: 113k - This includes FBI, DEA, Marshalls, ATF, DEA, Prisons and all the law divisions combined

So.. when all said and done.. the IRS is going to have more employees than the entire DOJ.. when taxes are automated and handled by computers for the most part.

Seems logical right? I'm sure nothing at all will go wrong with this.

That isn't an accurate count of the IRS. The 80,000 new agents is over the course of 10 years and accounts for 50,000 retirements over those 10 years. They are increasing in size, but only by about 30k.

[Tgo01]

The 80,000 new agents is over the course of 10 years and accounts for 50,000 retirements over those 10 years.

This doesn't make sense though. Did congress really have to authorize the IRS to replace agents who are retiring? Without this authorization the IRS would have shrank by 50k people over the next 10 years?

[Gelston]

This doesn't make sense though. Did congress really have to authorize the IRS to replace agents who are retiring? Without this authorization the IRS would have shrank by 50k people over the next 10 years?

The IRS already has 50,000 vacancies as is, they have lost over 30% of their work force over the last 10 years... So it probably would have shrank even further without this bill.

[Suppressed Poet]

The IRS already has 50,000 vacancies as is, they have lost over 30% of their work force over the last 10 years... So it probably would have shrank even further without this bill.

I wonder how the Great Resignation impacted the IRS…

Makes absolute logical sense to me for an IRS agent to ponder about seeking more morally positive & meaningful employment like oh I dunno…perhaps prostitution or cooking meth.

[Gelston]

I wonder how the Great Resignation impacted the IRS…

Makes absolute logical sense to me for an IRS agent to ponder about seeking more morally positive & meaningful employment like oh I dunno…perhaps prostitution or cooking meth.

I imagine most people join the enforcement division because it is an easy way to get Federal Law Enforcement experience so you can move on to another agency.

[Methais]

Brian Stelter to depart CNN as it cancels 'Reliable Sources' media show (https://www.npr.org/2022/08/18/1118197553/brian-stelter-cnn-canceled-show)


kek

[Tgo01]

Brian Stelter to depart CNN as it cancels 'Reliable Sources' media show (https://www.npr.org/2022/08/18/1118197553/brian-stelter-cnn-canceled-show)


kek

LOL

Best news I've heard in a while.

Shit, I'm in such a good mood now, I'll even let it slide for the next week if Seran wants to give Biden credit for when oil drops and blame Putin for when it goes up.

[Parkbandit]

This doesn't make sense though. Did congress really have to authorize the IRS to replace agents who are retiring? Without this authorization the IRS would have shrank by 50k people over the next 10 years?

No. Their budget wouldn't simply delete the ones that are retiring. Like any business, they would have just hired someone else to fill that job since the money is already budgeted for.

[Methais]

No. Their budget wouldn't simply delete the ones that are retiring. Like any business, they would have just hired someone else to fill that job since the money is already budgeted for.

THIS NEW BATCH BETTER HAVE AN APPROPRIATE AMOUNT OF TRANS REPRESENTATION!!!!!!!1

[Shaps]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwELB07lUEI

Only gotta watch first 2 minutes, but shit is hilarious... LOL.

[joeyb]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwELB07lUEI

Only gotta watch first 2 minutes, but shit is hilarious... LOL.

no one is watching that and nothing from tim pool has ever been funny

[Parkbandit]

no one is watching that and nothing from tim pool has ever been funny

1.33M subscribers

78,590 views Aug 19, 2022

[Shaps]

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/m/67f35278-5dca-3707-9e39-8ad49c26a950/biden-to-convene-september.html

"Biden to convene September summit at White House in response to wave of racism- and hate-driven violence"

Ahhh... election time is here! Isn't it grand?

[Bhaalizmo]

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/m/67f35278-5dca-3707-9e39-8ad49c26a950/biden-to-convene-september.html

"Biden to convene September summit at White House in response to wave of racism- and hate-driven violence"

Ahhh... election time is here! Isn't it grand?

Do you not believe there's a wave of racism and hate driven violence? Compared to, lets say 10 years ago.

[Shaps]

Do you not believe there's a wave of racism and hate driven violence? Compared to, lets say 10 years ago.

By the Left? Sure... they just call it "safe spaces" and "mostly peaceful".

[Alfster]

By the Left? Sure... they just call it "safe spaces" and "mostly peaceful".

Lol

[Tgo01]

Lol

Alfster pretending violent goons on the left didn't destroy cities for months in the year 2020.

He's also pretending violent goons on the left haven't been vandalizing and firebombing churches and pregnancy centers for the past few months.

If you just pretend it ain't happening, then it's not!

[Methais]

Do you not believe there's a wave of racism and hate driven violence? Compared to, lets say 10 years ago.

There sure is:

Off-campus UC Berkeley student housing bans white people from common areas (https://nypost.com/2022/08/19/off-campus-uc-berkeley-housing-bans-white-people-from-common-areas/)

[Gelston]

There sure is:

Off-campus UC Berkeley student housing bans white people from common areas (https://nypost.com/2022/08/19/off-campus-uc-berkeley-housing-bans-white-people-from-common-areas/)

“To be clear, it is not campus operated. This property is operated by a private landlord, and it is not the role of the campus to comment on what private landlords are ‘allowed’ to do,” he said.

Still, housing discrimination based on race is illegal and I imagine there is a lawsuit heading that way ever since this story made news.

[Methais]

“To be clear, it is not campus operated. This property is operated by a private landlord, and it is not the role of the campus to comment on what private landlords are ‘allowed’ to do,” he said.

That doesn't make it less racist.


Still, housing discrimination based on race is illegal and I imagine there is a lawsuit heading that way ever since this story made news.

This is correct.

[Gelston]

That doesn't make it less racist.



This is correct.

Wasn't saying it was less racist, just that UC Berkeley has nothing to do with it.

[Tgo01]

“To be clear, it is not campus operated. This property is operated by a private landlord, and it is not the role of the campus to comment on what private landlords are ‘allowed’ to do,” he said.

What an absolute cop out. Something tells me the campus would have LOTS to say if a landlord created a whites only common area.

[Gelston]

What an absolute cop out. Something tells me the campus would have LOTS to say if a landlord created a whites only common area.

Doesn't matter, they couldn't do shit about that either.

[Tgo01]

Doesn't matter, they couldn't do shit about that either.

They couldn't, but they could at least "comment" on it. The idea that a university suddenly has no comments on how their students are treated at student housing is absolute bullshit. Like I said, they would have plenty of comments if a landlord created a whites only student housing.

The university's non-comment here is another example of racism sweeping the country that Bhaalizmo demanded was happening, although his post wasn't alluding to a wave of anti-white racism.

[Gelston]

They couldn't, but they could at least "comment" on it. The idea that a university suddenly has no comments on how their students are treated at student housing is absolute bullshit. Like I said, they would have plenty of comments if a landlord created a whites only student housing.

The university's non-comment here is another example of racism sweeping the country that Bhaalizmo demanded was happening, although his post wasn't alluding to a wave of anti-white racism.

I mean, you're creating a strawman argument here. You don't know what they'd do or say and neither do I, and it really isn't relevant. The core of the matter, is that regardless of comment or not, they do not have any control over this housing, which is what the headline of the article leads people to believe.

[Suppressed Poet]

I mean, you're creating a strawman argument here. You don't know what they'd do or say and neither do I, and it really isn't relevant. The core of the matter, is that regardless of comment or not, they do not have any control over this housing, which is what the headline of the article leads people to believe.

I agree on the part of the university having no control on the matter, but I think to Tgo01’s point…. Do you think that Berkeley would have the same response if this unaffiliated off-site student housing was discriminating against a minority race? I suspect they would have more to say given the history of this particular university.

Racism and intolerance in this blatantly illegal tangible example should be universally condemned no matter who is the target. I think the overwhelming majority of Americans would agree on this independent of their political affiliation.

[Tgo01]

You don't know what they'd do or say and neither do I

Come on.

[Gelston]

Come on.

Nah, I generally don't get myself worked up over an invented scenario.

[Tgo01]

Nah, I generally don't get myself worked up over an invented scenario.

So student housing near campus that openly advertises they won't allow black students to live there, and black visitors are banned from the common areas, and you think the university wouldn't have a comment on this?

Come on.

Keep in mind, I am saying the university SHOULD have a comment on such a scenario because it is absolutely disgusting. Just like they should have a comment on the current real life scenario because it is equally as disgusting.

[Gelston]

So student housing near campus that openly advertises they won't allow black students to live there, and black visitors are banned from the common areas, and you think the university wouldn't have a comment on this?

Come on.

Keep in mind, I am saying the university SHOULD have a comment on such a scenario because it is absolutely disgusting. Just like they should have a comment on the current real life scenario because it is equally as disgusting.

It doesn't matter if they would or not. As I said, it doesn't make a single difference and getting worked up over a hypothetical is pointless.

[Tgo01]

It doesn't matter if they would or not.

It matters a lot in a discussion where Bhaalizmo is heavily implying there is rampant racism against non-whites, then he runs and hides when blatant open racism against whites is mentioned, and the university in question refuses to comment on said blatant racism because the racism is aimed at whites.

The left is openly being racist and they get away with it because dipshits like Bhaalizmo either pretends it doesn't exist or because "YoU caN't Be RaCiSt AgAiNsT wHiTeS!"

I'm just surprised Bhaalizmo didn't mention Jussie Smollet as evidence of the rampant racism in this country.

[Bhaalizmo]

It matters a lot in a discussion where Bhaalizmo is heavily implying there is rampant racism against non-whites, then he runs and hides when blatant open racism against whites is mentioned, and the university in question refuses to comment on said blatant racism because the racism is aimed at whites.

The left is openly being racist and they get away with it because dipshits like Bhaalizmo either pretends it doesn't exist or because "YoU caN't Be RaCiSt AgAiNsT wHiTeS!"

I'm just surprised Bhaalizmo didn't mention Jussie Smollet as evidence of the rampant racism in this country.

Jesus Christ man. You've got problems.

You can't quote me "heavily implying there is rampant racism against non-whites" because it didn't happen.

You're having a debate with me that I'm not having.

Go fuck yourself you fuckin weirdo.

[Tgo01]

Jesus Christ man. You've got problems.

You can't quote me "heavily implying there is rampant racism against non-whites" because it didn't happen.

Right. CLEARLY what your original post was saying was that there is rampant anti-white racism in this country being perpetrated by Democrats and other leftists.

Go on. Say it then.

Oh right, you won't, because you know I'm 100% correct, but as per usual you are hiding behind your cowardly go to response "I didn't specifically say that. And now I'm not going to correct the record."

Get the fuck out of here, you fucking blatant racist piece of shit. Go back to your shitty Rage Against the Machine thread where you praised the band for making a little white girl cry for being white.

[Bhaalizmo]

Right. CLEARLY what your original post was saying was that there is rampant anti-white racism in this country being perpetrated by Democrats and other leftists.

Go on. Say it then.

Oh right, you won't, because you know I'm 100% correct, but as per usual you are hiding behind your cowardly go to response "I didn't specifically say that. And now I'm not going to correct the record."

Get the fuck out of here, you fucking blatant racist piece of shit. Go back to your shitty Rage Against the Machine thread where you praised the band for making a little white girl cry for being white.

Nope. You're a fucking idiot, and I said no such thing.

Go fuck yourself and quit trying to have a debate with me when I'm not.

In fact, block me again please because you're fucking batshit crazy.

[Seran]

It matters a lot in a discussion where Bhaalizmo is heavily implying there is rampant racism against non-whites, then he runs and hides when blatant open racism against whites is mentioned, and the university in question refuses to comment on said blatant racism because the racism is aimed at whites.

The left is openly being racist and they get away with it because dipshits like Bhaalizmo either pretends it doesn't exist or because "YoU caN't Be RaCiSt AgAiNsT wHiTeS!"

I'm just surprised Bhaalizmo didn't mention Jussie Smollet as evidence of the rampant racism in this country.

This is why your Conservative nonsense is so fucking ridiculous. Nothing can be discussed as you and your party demand irrelevant or unrelated things to be addressed instead. Stop being distracting, stop movingly goal posts and have a coherent conversation on the topic or be quiet.

[Methais]

Jesus Christ man. You've got problems.

You can't quote me "heavily implying there is rampant racism against non-whites" because it didn't happen.

You're having a debate with me that I'm not having.

Go fuck yourself you fuckin weirdo.

What's your opinion on the Berkeley "no whites allowed (https://nypost.com/2022/08/19/off-campus-uc-berkeley-housing-bans-white-people-from-common-areas/)" thing being discussed? Is that racism?

[Methais]

https://i.imgur.com/SR2ajg1.png

[Shaps]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPLQNUVmq3o

From 2019, but if this is the youth of this country... we are just fucked. LOL

Enjoy the "comrade" term... these people are fucking insane... only in a free strong country, could a portion of the populous be so weak.

They don't realize they're the "young fascists' of America"... fucking looney.

[Methais]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPLQNUVmq3o

From 2019, but if this is the youth of this country... we are just fucked. LOL

Enjoy the "comrade" term... these people are fucking insane... only in a free strong country, could a portion of the populous be so weak.

They don't realize they're the "young fascists' of America"... fucking looney.

Ahahahahaha I forgot all about this retarded shit. :lol:

[Tgo01]

I love it.

First guy gets up to bitch about being triggered, and the first thing he says is "guys", which triggers the next dipshit to complain about him using gendered language.

[Methais]

I love it.

First guy gets up to bitch about being triggered, and the first thing he says is "guys", which triggers the next dipshit to complain about him using gendered language.

They always end up eating their own because no one can ever be left enough for the left.

[drumpel]

Ahahahahaha I forgot all about this retarded shit. :lol:

Around 1:15 you get the retard that's basically thanking everyone for not clapping because it could be too loud for some and could trigger something.....hahahaha! It reminds me of this:

https://comb.io/ZBGDHZ.gif

(audio link here: https://comb.io/ZBGDHZ )

[Shaps]

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/california-banning-sale-gas-cars-185243855.html

California Is Banning the Sale of Gas Cars

This is going to go really really well lol.

[Parkbandit]

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/california-banning-sale-gas-cars-185243855.html

California Is Banning the Sale of Gas Cars

This is going to go really really well lol.

It's not until 2035. It could happen.

[Gelston]

It's not until 2035. It could happen.

I think it is very likely. There is already prototype batteries that they say can last nearly 100 years while maintaining over 80% capacity.

The newest EVs can be charged to 100% battery in under 10 minutes.

You can already see a lot of manufacturers retooling to make EVs too. The Charger and Challenger are in the last run of ICE, and then they are going EV.

By 2035, the gas infrastructure in California, and probably a lot of the US, might look like the charging infrastructure now, and vice versa.

[Parkbandit]

I think it is very likely. There is already prototype batteries that they say can last nearly 100 years while maintaining over 80% capacity.

The newest EVs can be charged to 100% battery in under 10 minutes.

You can already see a lot of manufacturers retooling to make EVs too. The Charger and Challenger are in the last run of ICE, and then they are going EV.

By 2035, the gas infrastructure in California, and probably a lot of the US, might look like the charging infrastructure now, and vice versa.

We're going to need to up our fossil fuel production to get enough electricity to power all this new "clean" transportation.

[Gelston]

We're going to need to up our fossil fuel production to get enough electricity to power all this new "clean" transportation.

If every single car today were to turn into an EV, power usage would go up by 25%. EVs more efficiently use power than ICE vehicles, regardless, so any "fossil" fuels used towards them is still being used more efficiently.

And hey, less exhaust in the streets and neighborhoods. Less noise pollution. I never understood the huge pushback against EVs.

[Shaps]

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/california-says-it-needs-more-power-keep-lights-2022-05-06/

"California says it needs more power to keep the lights on"

I'm not saying technology for the car won't advance to make them more reliable, or that the car itself and it's technologies aren't a good step forward. - I'm saying they won't have the energy to power them all.

Rechargeable means they have to recharge on something... and the insistence that all fossil fuels bad, nuclear energy bad, blah blah blah is a pipe dream they've got the masses to believe in.

The only reason they want to keep pushing this idea is for control. Control you say? Yes, control. If you limit a persons individual ability to travel freely - as we have been able to do the past 70 years or so - you decrease their options for day to day activities... which in turn limits their options... which in turn allots the government more manageability over it's populous.

https://world-nuclear.org/information-library/country-profiles/others/californias-electricity.aspx

"California's Electricity"

So tell me again - how are they going to resolve their "climate agenda" with practical application of "only electric vehicles" in less than 13 years... with their current political philosophy?

[Gelston]

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/california-says-it-needs-more-power-keep-lights-2022-05-06/

"California says it needs more power to keep the lights on"

I'm not saying technology for the car won't advance to make them more reliable - I'm saying they won't have the energy to power them all.

Rechargeable means they have to recharge on something... and the insistence that all fossil fuels bad, nuclear energy bad, blah blah blah is a pipe dream they've got the masses to believe in.

The only reason they want to keep pushing this idea is for control. Control you say? Yes, control. If you limit a persons individual ability to travel freely - as we have been able to do the past 70 years or so - you decrease their options for day to day activities... which in turn limits their options... which in turn allots the government more manageability over it's populous.

https://world-nuclear.org/information-library/country-profiles/others/californias-electricity.aspx

"California's Electricity"

So tell me again - how are they going to resolve their "climate agenda" with practical application of "only electric vehicles" in less than 13 years... with their current political philosophy?

They have 13 years to figure that out, obviously.

[Shaps]

They have 13 years to figure that out, obviously.

And you trust the current politicians to do that? C'mon man LOL... I know you know better than that.

And see you in 13 years - on these same forums - as crotchety old men to see who's right. :2beers:

[Tgo01]

I think it is very likely. There is already prototype batteries that they say can last nearly 100 years while maintaining over 80% capacity.

The newest EVs can be charged to 100% battery in under 10 minutes.

You can already see a lot of manufacturers retooling to make EVs too. The Charger and Challenger are in the last run of ICE, and then they are going EV.

By 2035, the gas infrastructure in California, and probably a lot of the US, might look like the charging infrastructure now, and vice versa.

I don't know about 10 minute charging time, from what I've read it's more like 15-30 minutes. Maybe it will be different in 13 years though.

15-30 minute "refueling" time is what is really killing the electric market these days. Even my friend who is very far left and thinks we're all gonna destroy the world in a few years said he isn't going to get an electric vehicle because of the lack of charging stations and how long it takes to charge the battery.

Also right now a failed battery pretty much totals the car. I read a story recently where someone paid like 8k for a used electric vehicle only for the battery to die a few weeks later and not only would a new battery cost around 10k (more than they paid for the car), but they don't even make that kind of battery anymore because the company that makes the car discontinued that model and no longer makes that battery. So everyone with that kind of electric car is just one failed battery away from their car being completely useless.

Really if the government actually wants to help people convert over to electric vehicles they should stop demonizing oil companies and purposefully raising the cost of gas so people switch, and instead work with car makers to get them to create standard batteries for electric vehicles. This way if any battery fails in any electric vehicle it would be a simple fix to put a new battery in it.

At the moment all it takes is for a car company to go out of business or to just discontinue a certain model of car/type of battery and those cars become useless in a few years.

[Gelston]

I don't know about 10 minute charging time, from what I've read it's more like 15-30 minutes. Maybe it will be different in 13 years though.

15-30 minute "refueling" time is what is really killing the electric market these days. Even my friend who is very far left and thinks we're all gonna destroy the world in a few years said he isn't going to get an electric vehicle because of the lack of charging stations and how long it takes to charge the battery.

Also right now a failed battery pretty much totals the car. I read a story recently where someone paid like 8k for a used electric vehicle only for the battery to die a few weeks later and not only would a new battery cost around 10k (more than they paid for the car), but they don't even make that kind of battery anymore because the company that makes the car discontinued that model and no longer makes that battery. So everyone with that kind of electric car is just one failed battery away from their car being completely useless.

Really if the government actually wants to help people convert over to electric vehicles they should stop demonizing oil companies and purposefully raising the cost of gas so people switch, and instead work with car makers to get them to create standard batteries for electric vehicles. This way if any battery fails in any electric vehicle it would be a simple fix to put a new battery in it.

At the moment all it takes is for a car company to go out of business or to just discontinue a certain model of car/type of battery and those cars become useless in a few years.

https://newatlas.com/automotive/enovixs-silicon-ev-battery-charge-10-minutes/

0-80 in nearly 5 minutes, 100% in 10.

https://studyfinds.org/superfast-charging-tesla-electric-cars/

Another for 10 or under coming to Tesla.

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2334799-supercharging-tweak-could-fill-electric-car-batteries-90-in-10-mins/

This claims jsut changing the WAY things are charged could make ALL batteries capable of supercharging to be charged in under 10 minutes.

So no... In 13 years, I think things will charge to 100% in under 5 minutes. Especially when you consider where we were 13 years ago.

Hell, they have a car now that, if you drive under 40 miles a day and stay parked in a fairly well lit area, you may NEVER need to plug in. It has built in solar. THAT will be really cool if it develops to be even better.

[Shaps]

I know we got some smart people on here - engineer types, so on... I've always wondered this... hopefully I explain the concept well enough to get an answer.

A wind turbine spins to generate electricity. The spinning is created by the wind turning the turbine.

Why does this concept not work for an ever-charging battery in a car? You have 4 tires spinning, which creates the same rotational force continuously while a vehicle is in motion. Why does this spinning action of the wheels, not recharge the battery similar to a wind turbine?

Hope that makes sense, but that concept has always confused me. Why would we need recharging stations? If the spinning action of the wheels recharged the batteries during motion? So technically, shouldn't the battery only need an initial charge off the manufacturing line?

[Shaps]

https://newatlas.com/automotive/enovixs-silicon-ev-battery-charge-10-minutes/

0-80 in nearly 5 minutes, 100% in 10.

https://studyfinds.org/superfast-charging-tesla-electric-cars/

Another for 10 or under coming to Tesla.

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2334799-supercharging-tweak-could-fill-electric-car-batteries-90-in-10-mins/

This claims jsut changing the WAY things are charged could make ALL batteries capable of supercharging to be charged in under 10 minutes.

Still doesn't address what's generating the power to charge the vehicles themselves.

[Tgo01]

I never understood the huge pushback against EVs.

I love electric stuff. I converted all of my tools and yard tools (lawnmower, trimmer, leaf blower, etc) to battery power, for many of the reasons you mention: no fumes, much quieter, but also no fluids such as oil, no gas filter, oil filter, etc.

But right now electric vehicles just aren't there yet. I can charge the batteries for my tools in less than an hour using just a standard 120 volt outlet, it would take me days to charge an electric vehicle's battery using the same method. Replacing a failed battery is easy, and if the batteries become unavailable someday for whatever reason then the most I'm out is the cost of a tool, not an entire car that I rely on to live my life.

Not to mention I'm never far away from a gas station if I ever need gas, there are very few electric charging stations around my area, and if I wanted to be able to charge my car in a decent amount of time at home I would need to fork out over a thousand dollars to be able to do it.

Really instead of pushing everyone prematurely into electric vehicles the government should instead be encouraging people to convert their gas powered tools into electric and encouraging truckers into electric vehicles. Truckers drive some 600+ miles a day, replacing all of those vehicles with electric would make a noticeable different in the consumption of gas. Does Billy Joe Bob really need an expensive electric vehicle if he tries 15 miles a day? That's just abusing poor Billy Joe Bob so Democrats can make themselves feel better about "saving" the world.

[Gelston]

Still doesn't address what's generating the power to charge the vehicles themselves.

Hopefully in the future, good clean Nuclear power.

[Neveragain]

I know we got some smart people on here - engineer types, so on... I've always wondered this... hopefully I explain the concept well enough to get an answer.

A wind turbine spins to generate electricity. The spinning is created by the wind turning the turbine.

Why does this concept not work for an ever-charging battery in a car? You have 4 tires spinning, which creates the same rotational force continuously while a vehicle is in motion. Why does this spinning action of the wheels, not recharge the battery similar to a wind turbine?

Hope that makes sense, but that concept has always confused me. We wouldn't need recharging stations right? If the spinning action of the wheels recharged the batteries during motion? So technically, shouldn't the battery only need an initial charge off the manufacturing line?

Because the battery is supplying the energy that turns the wheels. This is basically why there's no such thing as a perpetual motion machine. Some of that energy from the battery that turns the wheels is transferred to other forms of energy that can't be recaptured back to the battery IE friction, etc.

[Shaps]

Hopefully in the future, good clean Nuclear power.

I'm 100% on board with that... hopefully the dipshit politicians get out of the way for it to happen.

[Gelston]

I love electric stuff. I converted all of my tools and yard tools (lawnmower, trimmer, leaf blower, etc) to battery power, for many of the reasons you mention: no fumes, much quieter, but also no fluids such as oil, no gas filter, oil filter, etc.

But right now electric vehicles just aren't there yet. I can charge the batteries for my tools in less than an hour using just a standard 120 volt outlet, it would take me days to charge an electric vehicle's battery using the same method. Replacing a failed battery is easy, and if the batteries become unavailable someday for whatever reason then the most I'm out is the cost of a tool, not an entire car that I rely on to live my life.

Not to mention I'm never far away from a gas station if I ever need gas, there are very few electric charging stations around my area, and if I wanted to be able to charge my car in a decent amount of time at home I would need to fork out over a thousand dollars to be able to do it.

Really instead of pushing everyone prematurely into electric vehicles the government should instead be encouraging people to convert their gas powered tools into electric and encouraging truckers into electric vehicles. Truckers drive some 600+ miles a day, replacing all of those vehicles with electric would make a noticeable different in the consumption of gas. Does Billy Joe Bob really need an expensive electric vehicle if he tries 15 miles a day? That's just abusing poor Billy Joe Bob so Democrats can make themselves feel better about "saving" the world.

I fucking HATE all the electric yard equipment I bought. The mowers are way too underpowered.