Things that made you laugh today (Political Version)

[Pin]

Disregarding that it is, in fact, a statue honoring a traitor against the United States, how about lumping it in as being part of the rampant addition of these "memorials" all throughout the south during times of pushback against black people having rights?

We could talk about what else was happening in Virginia around the time that statue was erected. Just on the actual state government level there was the Racial Integrity Act (and not long after, the "one drop" law) and the Public Assemblages act. It's not a coincidence that so many "reminders" of the Confederacy popped up in places at the same times that people felt white racial superiority was especially threatened...

Don't misconstrue what I'm trying to say - I don't personally believe we should be honoring confederate generals any more than confederate flags should fly from federal buildings,. I'm just saying that to call Lee an outright racist in the same way a neo-nazi is isn't correct.

[Gelston]

I believe Nazi's and racists should remain hidden. When they do show on public, I expect people to counter-protest and if the Nazi's get their asses kicked, im ok with it. In fact I encourage it.

I'm fine with counter protests. Violence? No, that leads to lawlessness. Then people feel perfectly justified driving cars into groups of people. It would only start escalating from there.

[Tgo01]

Not sure where you're getting this from, nor how the US teaches the holocaust relevant.

Not sure why you're even bringing up the Holocaust then.


This makes it ok for us to pretend we don't have one as well then?

Again, where do you get the idea that we pretend we don't have racists in this country? We literally allow them to march up and down streets so everyone can be aware of them.

Contrast this to Germany and most of Europe where such a thing would never be tolerated, where you can be jailed for owning certain paraphernalia or denying the Holocaust.

[SHAFT]

Tgo, these tweets were both put out today after trump's press conference. Forget everything that was said prior to today. His words made the current faces of the KKK and white nationalists feel this way today:

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x176/shaft4783/B185B35A-3973-4451-A16A-34859A862743.png (http://s184.photobucket.com/user/shaft4783/media/B185B35A-3973-4451-A16A-34859A862743.png.html)

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x176/shaft4783/B4A10A6F-3117-4A0B-BD1E-DEF4FAB95C79.png (http://s184.photobucket.com/user/shaft4783/media/B4A10A6F-3117-4A0B-BD1E-DEF4FAB95C79.png.html)

This is not fake news. This happened.

[SHAFT]

I'm fine with counter protests. Violence? No, that leads to lawlessness. Then people feel perfectly justified driving cars into groups of people. It would only start escalating from there.

You and I will have to disagree here, than. A club upside a Nazi's head is well-deserving. Especially if you're brazen to not wear your hood.

[Pin]

Not sure why you're even bringing up the Holocaust then.

After going back and rereading a comment you made I realize I miss interpreted it - my fault.


Again, where do you get the idea that we pretend we don't have racists in this country? We literally allow them to march up and down streets so everyone can be aware of them.

Contrast this to Germany and most of Europe where such a thing would never be tolerated, where you can be jailed for owning certain paraphernalia or denying the Holocaust.

I wouldn't say we pretend they don't exist, but, we do seem to have a problem where we rationalize their behavior instead of calling it what it is.

[Tenlaar]

Don't misconstrue what I'm trying to say - I don't personally believe we should be honoring confederate generals any more than confederate flags should fly from federal buildings,. I'm just saying that to call Lee an outright racist in the same way a neo-nazi is isn't correct.


In this enlightened age, there are few I believe, but what will acknowledge, that slavery as an institution, is a moral & political evil in any Country. It is useless to expatiate on its disadvantages. I think it however a greater evil to the white man than to the black race, & while my feelings are strongly enlisted in behalf of the latter, my sympathies are more strong for the former. The blacks are immeasurably better off here than in Africa, morally, socially & physically. The painful discipline they are undergoing, is necessary for their instruction as a race, & I hope will prepare & lead them to better things. How long their subjugation may be necessary is known & ordered by a wise Merciful Providence.

Robert E. Lee was a "kinder racist" than most, but but somebody who believed black people were better off enslaved and that it was somehow bettering them as a people was absolutely an outright racist.

[Pin]

Robert E. Lee was a "kinder racist" than most, but but somebody who believed black people were better off enslaved and that it was somehow bettering them as a people was absolutely an outright racist.

I will concede that saying blacks are better off as slaves in America is cringe worthy (and obviously wrong), and in 2017 - is flat out racist. But, given the era and location in which he lived - he sounds downright progressive. Don't forget, it's not the like north was a bastion of racial tolerance at the time either.

Edit to add:

I'm not even trying to insinuate that he should have monuments erected to him, or that he is some sort of noble symbol we should all aspire too.

[drauz]

Robert E. Lee was a "kinder racist" than most, but but somebody who believed black people were better off enslaved and that it was somehow bettering them as a people was absolutely an outright racist.

Should Thomas Jefferson and George Washington be on our money then?

[Tgo01]

Tgo, these tweets were both put out today after trump's press conference. Forget everything that was said prior to today. His words made the current faces of the KKK and white nationalists feel this way today:

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x176/shaft4783/B185B35A-3973-4451-A16A-34859A862743.png (http://s184.photobucket.com/user/shaft4783/media/B185B35A-3973-4451-A16A-34859A862743.png.html)

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x176/shaft4783/B4A10A6F-3117-4A0B-BD1E-DEF4FAB95C79.png (http://s184.photobucket.com/user/shaft4783/media/B4A10A6F-3117-4A0B-BD1E-DEF4FAB95C79.png.html)

This is not fake news. This happened.

Left: Doesn't matter if Trump denounced Nazis and the KKK! He still sides with them!

Nazis and KKK: Doesn't matter if Trump denounces us! He still sides with us!

And yet I'm somehow the non-normal one here.

[Tgo01]

I wouldn't say we pretend they don't exist, but, we do seem to have a problem where we rationalize their behavior instead of calling it what it is.

Who is rationalizing their behavior? Other than the racists themselves?

The only rationalizing I see these days is people thinking it's okay to punch someone you disagree with. Oh wait, no, it's only okay to punch a Nazi. Black supremacists are still off limits for some reason.

[Tenlaar]

I'm not even trying to insinuate that he should have monuments erected to him, or that he is some sort of noble symbol we should all aspire too.

No, but you are trying to insinuate that he shouldn't be lumped in with other racists, as if him being a slightly more palatable kind of racist makes him different. It doesn't. It was a statue of a traitor to the United States who believed black people were better off enslaved, and it was erected at a time when the state was making purposeful steps to keep black people from attaining more civil rights and to keep segregation the rule of the land. Any attempt to argue that it isn't a symbol of racism is, frankly, pretty ridiculous.

[Tenlaar]

Should Thomas Jefferson and George Washington be on our money then?

I don't personally believe that they should be, no. Nor anybody else.

[Pin]

No, but you are trying to insinuate that he shouldn't be lumped in with other racists, as if him being a slightly more palatable kind of racist makes him different. It doesn't. It was a statue of a traitor to the United States who believed black people were better off enslaved, and it was erected at a time when the state was making purposeful steps to keep black people from attaining more civil rights and to keep segregation the rule of the land. Any attempt to argue that it isn't a symbol of racism is, frankly, ridiculous.

I'm not arguing that. I'm saying that the man during his life was pretty progressive for his time, even though he would be considered racist today if he held the same views. I agree with you about his statues.

[Pin]

Who is rationalizing their behavior? Other than the racists themselves?

Trump: [Inaudible.] You have some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people on both sides. You had people in that group — excuse me, excuse me — I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name.

[drauz]

I don't personally believe that they should be, no. Nor anybody else.

Fair enough.

[Tgo01]

Trump: [Inaudible.] You have some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people on both sides. You had people in that group — excuse me, excuse me — I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name.

How is that rationalizing racists? He specifically calls the racists "very bad people."

It's possible to be against the removal of a statue and the renaming of a park without be a card carrying KKK member.

[drauz]

to the conversation


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYW0eHPeg5I

[Pin]

How is that rationalizing racists? He specifically calls the racists "very bad people."

It's possible to be against the removal of a statue and the renaming of a park without be a card carrying KKK member.

Sure, if you ignore the fact that they marched there carrying torches, carrying the nazi flag, while chanting racial and anti-semetic phrases while giving the nazi salute and saying 'hail victory' (sieg hiel in English).

Oh, but all of that is ok because there were 'bad people on both sides.'

What was it you said?


Who is rationalizing their behavior? Other than the racists themselves?

I think you just called Trump a racist Tgo.

[Gelston]

I think money should only have Emperor Gelston on them. One day, it will.

[Parkbandit]

He also had more people at his inauguration.

If only he could condemn white nationalists and neo-nazi's as quickly as he condemns CNN, this wouldn't even be an issue tonight.

No matter what he said or did, it still wouldn't be enough for some fringies like yourself. Trump can absolutely do no right in your mind.

[Parkbandit]

Let's be real: trump wants the alt-right vote and whatever comes with it. That's why he has bannon as his chief strategist. Mr. Breitbart himself.

Trump knows he needs the racist part of white middle America just like he needs Putin. If Trump loses the racists of white middle America he's in even more trouble.

Or... he just needs to go up against Hillary Clinton to win.

[Neveragain]

Sure, if you ignore the fact that they marched there carrying torches, carrying the nazi flag, while chanting racial and anti-semetic phrases while giving the nazi salute and saying 'hail victory' (sieg hiel in English).

Oh, but all of that is ok because there were 'bad people on both sides.'

What was it you said?



I think you just called Trump a racist Tgo.

Please tell us all how carrying torches, carrying a nazi flag and chanting racial phrases in any way, shape or form tramples another persons protected rights?

P.S. Screaming racists is not answering this question so please hold your breath if this is all you can come up with for an answer.

[Androidpk]

Please tell us all how carrying torches, carrying a nazi flag and chanting racial phrases in any way, shape or form tramples another persons protected rights?

P.S. Screaming racists is not answering this question so please hold your breath if this is all you can come up with for an answer.

Please tell us why anyone with a sane mind would want to associate themselves with Nazism.

[Pin]

No matter what he said or did, it still wouldn't be enough for some fringies like yourself. Trump can absolutely do no right in your mind.

I'm far from fringe - if you actually support Trumps actions through all this - you're the one on the fringe.

That being said, we'll never really know what would or would not have been enough, since you know, he went about everything in the most round about way possible.

[Pin]

Please tell us all how carrying torches, carrying a nazi flag and chanting racial phrases in any way, shape or form tramples another persons protected rights?

P.S. Screaming racists is not answering this question so please hold your breath if this is all you can come up with for an answer.

What did Tgo say again? Only other racists were trying to rationalize their behavior?

[Neveragain]

Please tell us why anyone with a sane mind would want to associate themselves with Nazism.

That's not an answer.

[Neveragain]

What did Tgo say again? Only other racists were trying to rationalize their behavior?

That's not an answer.

[Androidpk]

That's not an answer.

No shit, it was a question.

[Neveragain]

No shit, it was a question.

I'll ask again.

Please tell us all how carrying torches, carrying a nazi flag and chanting racial phrases in any way, shape or form tramples another persons protected rights?

[Androidpk]

I'll ask again.

Please tell us all how carrying torches, carrying a nazi flag and chanting racial phrases in any way, shape or form tramples another persons protected rights?

I don't believe I ever said it did.

[Pin]

That's not an answer.

Notice the lack of denial. Then again, he uses the same talking points as David Duke.

Please point to where I said the marching was illegal or tramples personal rights.

[Parkbandit]

Please tell us why anyone with a sane mind would want to associate themselves with Nazism.

Not sure about the sane mind part.. but other Nazis would.

That's about it though... why, who are you claiming is wanting to be associated with Nazism?

[Parkbandit]

I'm far from fringe - if you actually support Trumps actions through all this - you're the one on the fringe.

That being said, we'll never really know what would or would not have been enough, since you know, he went about everything in the most round about way possible.

I watched the evening news on CBS last night.. it was literally almost wall to wall coverage of this Trump outrage.

I just think there are other things going on in the world right now than "ZOMG EVERYTHING TRUMP DOES IS BAD!!!!!!!!" like most of you types right now.

Plus, I envision a Hillary Presidency.. so pretty much anything Trump does is going to be miles ahead.

[Androidpk]

Not sure about the sane mind part.. but other Nazis would.

That's about it though... why, who are you claiming is wanting to be associated with Nazism?

The people walking about chanting blood and soil and waving nazi flags.

[Androidpk]

Plus, I envision a Hillary Presidency.. so pretty much anything Trump does is going to be miles ahead.

It is possible to be simultaneously happy that Hillary isn't POTUS and disgusted by Trump being POTUS, the two aren't mutually exclusive.

[Neveragain]

Notice the lack of denial. Then again, he uses the same talking points as David Duke.

Please point to where I said the marching was illegal or against the Constitution.

And here you go again, deflecting from answering a simple question by trying to insinuate that the person asking the question is a racist.

So I'll ask the question again.

Please tell us all how carrying torches, carrying a nazi flag and chanting racial phrases in any way, shape or form tramples another persons protected rights?

[Methais]

Also, General Robert E Lee was a traitor, racist piece of shit. The people protesting the removal of his statue and the changing of a park in his name to something representing the freedom of black folks, fuck everyone who showed up to do so.

Trump was defending those people today. Racists and Nazi's deserve to be beaten with clubs and sticks.

Robert E. Lee wasn't exactly a fan of slavery. Only reason he didn't join the Union was because Virginia seceded and he wouldn't fight against his home state.

[Pin]

I watched the evening news on CBS last night.. it was literally almost wall to wall coverage of this Trump outrage.

I just think there are other things going on in the world right now than "ZOMG EVERYTHING TRUMP DOES IS BAD!!!!!!!!" like most of you types right now.

Plus, I envision a Hillary Presidency.. so pretty much anything Trump does is going to be miles ahead.

If 'most' people believe something - that would make it the opposite of the fringe.

I think that this is the newest low in a long series of lows that has been the Trump Presidency thus far.

Like I stated prior, this would be a non-issue if he condemned nazis as fast as he condemned CNN.

[Pin]

And here you go again, deflecting from answering a simple question by trying to insinuate that the person asking the question is a racist.

So I'll ask the question again.

Please tell us all how carrying torches, carrying a nazi flag and chanting racial phrases in any way, shape or form tramples another persons protected rights?

Again, please point to where I have said that they trampled somebody's rights. Or did your imaginary pirate friend tell you this in between volleys of rocks?

[Androidpk]

Like I stated prior, this would be a non-issue if he condemned nazis as fast as he condemned CNN.

This is the biggest issue I'm seeing. Trump has never been one to mince words or hold his tongue against those he lashes out against. The fact that he dragged his feet to condemn them speaks volumes.

[Methais]

1. Lee married into a wealthy slave-owning family.

2. When his father-in-law died, he took over. He didn't free the slaves.

3. He instructed that the slaves that tried to flee to be beaten severely.

I'm not an expert on Lee, but I know he wasn't a friend to black folks.

Clearly you're a better historian than actual historians. You also seem very calm, level headed, and certainly not emotionally unhinged.

[Methais]

That's not even close to the truth.

Teaching the subject of the Holocaust and the Nazi era is mandatory in German schools and in addition to the classroom curriculum, almost all students have either visited a concentration camp or a Holocaust memorial or museum.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uTtxPuw54U

They actually debate if the nation can and should overcome their guilt from WW2

None of that will matter because Germany will soon be Europe's first Muslim majority nation operating under full Sharia Law. Because they're so tolerant and all.

[Pin]

This is the biggest issue I'm seeing. Trump has never been one to mince words or hold his tongue against those he lashes out against. The fact that he dragged his feet to condemn them speaks volumes.

If it wasn't such a serious issue it would be comical, especially the part where he says he always waits for the facts before giving a statement.

[Methais]

I believe Nazi's and racists should remain hidden. When they do show on public, I expect people to counter-protest and if the Nazi's get their asses kicked, im ok with it. In fact I encourage it.

What about Communists and/or people calling for the eradication of all white people? Just curious.

[Neveragain]

Again, please point to where I have said that they trampled somebody's rights. Or did your imaginary pirate friend tell you this in between volleys of rocks?

Dude, you're not answering the question.

Your ability to turn a blind eye to ANTIFA and BLM stoning people and trying to take their vehicles is astonishing.

[Pin]

Dude, you're not answering the question.

Your ability to turn a blind eye to ANTIFA and BLM stoning people and trying to take their vehicles is astonishing.

Dude, you're asking me to answer a question about a stance I haven't taken.

Again I never said being a racist asshole is illegal in and of itself. I think the closest anybody has said to that is Shaft, and he saying it should be, not that it is.

But just because they filled the proper paperwork to be a racist asshole doesn't mean I can't call them out for being racist assholes - nor question those who rationalize their behavior.

[Methais]

I don't personally believe that they should be, no. Nor anybody else.

Not even Harriet Tubman? Racist.

[Androidpk]

Turns out the counter-protesters did indeed have a permit to protest, 2 actually.

http://www.nbc29.com/story/36099395/city-of-charlottesville-grants-two-permits-for-counterprotests-of-unite-the-right

[Parkbandit]

Clearly you're a better historian than actual historians. You also seem very calm, level headed, and certainly not emotionally unhinged.

https://i.giphy.com/media/5gw0VWGbgNm8w/giphy.webp

[Methais]

Know what Trump should have said?

"The police acted stupidly."

[Parkbandit]

Know what Trump should have said?

"The police acted stupidly."


https://i.giphy.com/media/jShr8wkP38XTO/giphy.webp

[Back]

Clearly you're a better historian than actual historians. You also seem very calm, level headed, and certainly not emotionally unhinged.

Robert E. Lee murdered other Americans so he and the South could keep Americans as slaves. What about that isn't true?

[rolfard]

Robert E. Lee murdered other Americans so he and the South could keep Americans as slaves. What about that isn't true?

You forgot that he had a nifty flag. Pretty sure everyone is up in arms about that...that and swastikas.

PS> I was shocked when I visited the Botanical gardens in St Louis. When we went to the plantation, we toured the buildings. The man began the tour by talking about the rooms, including the 'worker's quarters' in the basement. He was quickly asked by someone in my party if he means, "SLAVES". To which he blushed heavily and stammered out yes.

People have a problem with history, but people are dumb panicky dangerous animals.

[Back]

Know what Trump should have said?

"The police acted stupidly."

There you go blaming everyone but the problem. Those racist nazi white supremacists were there geared up, gunned up, and ready for violence. They even say they were.

[Methais]

Robert E. Lee murdered other Americans so he and the South could keep Americans as slaves. What about that isn't true?

Actually no. But you've already shown in the last thread that you have no desire to learn anything about the civil war besides omgslavery so I'm not wasting time on your willful ignorance again so you can try to feel better about yourself for artificial reasons.

[Back]

Actually no. But you've already shown in the last thread that you have no desire to learn anything about the civil war besides omgslavery so I'm not wasting time on your willful ignorance again so you can try to feel better about yourself for artificial reasons.

Aww c'mon. Enlighten us. I am always open to new ideas and learning new things.

[Neveragain]

There you go blaming everyone but the problem. Those racist nazi white supremacists were there geared up, gunned up, and ready for violence. They even say they were.

Completely ignore that leftists that showed up with the very same intent. These two groups have had violent confrontations for well over a year now. If you were actually following both groups you would know this, which I'm sure you do know this but your allegiance to a communist movement will not allow you to be honest.

[Methais]

There you go blaming everyone but the problem. Those racist nazi white supremacists were there geared up, gunned up, and ready for violence. They even say they were.

If the cops weren't ordered to stand down then none of this would have happened.

Do you think that's a false statement? Try to not answer with some canned bullshit you read on a blog this time.

[Back]

If the cops weren't ordered to stand down then none of this would have happened.

Do you think that's a false statement? Try to not answer with some canned bullshit you read on a blog this time.

I don't envy the cops. Tough job. On one hand if they get involved it's OMG fascists restricting freedom. If they don't they get blamed for a bunch of knuckleheads causing trouble. They can't be everywhere at once the instant something happens. They would not have been able to predict or foresee that white supremacist plow his car into peaceful protesters and if they did what would they have been able to do to stop him? Hindsight is 20/20.

[Kobold]

There you go blaming everyone but the problem. Those racist nazi white supremacists were there geared up, gunned up, and ready for violence. They even say they were.

There's actually a rumour/conspiracy theory saying he joined to minimize damage to the nation as a whole (aka attack hard/fast with a regular army and conclude the war swiftly with the South's honor intact, hopefully). There were no allusions that the South lost before the first bullet was fired and he had intimate knowledge of what the US Army was capable of (having graduated from West Point and serving with most of it's officer corps).

In many ways, if I had to take a wild guess into the mind of Bobby Lee when he was contemplating doing the unthinkable in his Virginia mansion on that night in 1862; I think he was trying to pull a Jesus and sacrifice himself so that the bodycount stayed under a million. Or maybe I'm giving the man too much credit.

[Methais]

I don't envy the cops. Tough job. On one hand if they get involved it's OMG fascists restricting freedom. If they don't they get blamed for a bunch of knuckleheads causing trouble. They can't be everywhere at once the instant something happens. They would not have been able to predict or foresee that white supremacist plow his car into peaceful protesters and if they did what would they have been able to do to stop him? Hindsight is 20/20.

They would have kept the two groups apart like they typically do at protests that have counter protestors. At least when they're not ordered to stand down by mayors with political agendas.

[Back]

They would have kept the two groups apart like they typically do at protests that have counter protestors. At least when they're not ordered to stand down by mayors with political agendas.

So all of this is the Mayor's fault. Gotcha.

[Parkbandit]

Aww c'mon. Enlighten us. I am always open to new ideas and learning new things.

You have never, ever, even once shown this ability.

Like ever.

[Parkbandit]

I don't envy the cops. Tough job. On one hand if they get involved it's OMG fascists restricting freedom. If they don't they get blamed for a bunch of knuckleheads causing trouble. They can't be everywhere at once the instant something happens. They would not have been able to predict or foresee that white supremacist plow his car into peaceful protesters and if they did what would they have been able to do to stop him? Hindsight is 20/20.

It doesn't take hindsight to know what could happen with 2 opposing groups who are there for a fight.

It takes a complicit Mayor to force the police department to not do their job.

[Parkbandit]

So all of this is the Mayor's fault. Gotcha.

Had the mayor not pushed his political agenda and let the police do their job, then this could have been avoided.

[Back]

Had the mayor not pushed his political agenda and let the police do their job, then this could have been avoided.

ROFL. What political agenda? Were the nazi racist white supremacists there for a political agenda? They were able to gather much to everyone's dismay. Look what happened. A white supremacist and nazi admirer murdered 1 and hurt 19 peaceful protesters.

[Methais]

So all of this is the Mayor's fault. Gotcha.

If a mayor orders cops to stand down from a situation that they know beforehand is happening that is extremely likely to get violent without them there, how is he not at least partially responsible?

I'm not saying that's what happened here, though I wouldn't be at all surprised if that ends up being the case unless they're just really that dumb and incompetent, but it's happened at other recent protests/riots, has it not?

At its core the entire situation is the fault of people who were violent on both sides. All of it could have also been easily prevented by putting a buffer between violent retard team 1 and violent retard team 2.

But keep making overly emotional posts as if you're helping.

[Back]

If a mayor orders cops to stand down from a situation that they know beforehand is happening that is extremely likely to get violent without them there, how is he not at least partially responsible?

I'm not saying that's what happened here, though I wouldn't be at all surprised if that ends up being the case unless they're just really that dumb and incompetent, but it's happened at other recent protests/riots, has it not?

At its core the entire situation is the fault of people who were violent on both sides. All of it could have also been easily prevented by putting a buffer between violent retard team 1 and violent retard team 2.

But keep making overly emotional posts as if you're helping.

The whole thing would not have happened if racist nazi white supremacists hadn't insisted on holding an assembly in public. Did they have the right? Yes. Did they have the permit? Yes. Did they know there could be violence? Yes. But they went ahead and did it anyway. What happened? Heather Heyer who was a law-abiding peaceful protester exercising her Constitutional rights was murdered by a white supremacist nazi admirer.

[Methais]

The whole thing would not have happened if racist nazi white supremacists hadn't insisted on holding an assembly in public. Did they have the right? Yes. Did they have the permit? Yes. Did they know there could be violence? Yes. But they went ahead and did it anyway. What happened? Heather Heyer who was a law-abiding peaceful protester exercising her Constitutional rights was murdered by a white supremacist nazi admirer.

If the pilgrims would have just stayed in England, none of this would have happened.

Thanks for starting this riot, pilgrims, fucking assholes.

[Tenlaar]

Robert E. Lee wasn't exactly a fan of slavery. Only reason he didn't join the Union was because Virginia seceded and he wouldn't fight against his home state.

Funny how you decided to defend Robert E. Lee's stance on slavery yet you seemed to skip right over the post where I quoted him, in his own words, saying it's better for black people that they're enslaved. That it's for their own betterment. And that it's actually harder on the poor white slave owners than it is on the slaves.

A twisted sense of it being a "necessary evil" to better a race through subjugation and violence doesn't mean that the man wasn't racist or that his beliefs were somehow not awful.

[Back]

Robert E. Lee wasn't exactly a fan of slavery. Only reason he didn't join the Union was because Virginia seceded and he wouldn't fight against his home state.

ROFL! Where did you hear this? So... a guy who owned slaves, was notoriously brutal to them, was a proponent of breaking up slave families to keep them subjugated, who lead the entire south in a war against the Americans of the Union in order to keep slavery wasn't exactly a fan of slavery. ROFL! That sounds EXACTLY like a fan of slavery.

That talk of loyalty to Virginia is equally ridiculous.

[Parkbandit]

ROFL. What political agenda?

Without looking him or her up specifically, I'm going to take a wild guess that Mayor is a bleeding heart liberal.


Were the nazi racist white supremacists there for a political agenda?

Absolutely.


They were able to gather much to everyone's dismay. Look what happened. A white supremacist and nazi admirer murdered 1 and hurt 19 peaceful protesters.

Just like Antifa was there for their political agenda.

I know, I know.. Antifa can't possibly be a terrorist organization because their name actually means NOT TERRORISTS.

[Neveragain]

ROFL. What political agenda? Were the nazi racist white supremacists there for a political agenda? They were able to gather much to everyone's dismay. Look what happened. A white supremacist and nazi admirer murdered 1 and hurt 19 peaceful protesters.

I like how you and others have already tried this case. What happens if we find out that this guy was being attacked, jumped in his car and completely panicked as his car was being smashed by alt-left "protesters"?

[Tgo01]

Sure, if you ignore the fact that they marched there carrying torches, carrying the nazi flag, while chanting racial and anti-semetic phrases while giving the nazi salute and saying 'hail victory' (sieg hiel in English).

Every single person was doing this?

I guess it's fair to just assume every single "counter protester" was carrying a baseball bat and throwing rocks at people. I mean since we're just making stuff up now.


Oh, but all of that is ok because there were 'bad people on both sides.'

It's not "okay", but why can't we point out the bad people on both sides? Why does one side get a pass for the violence they are responsible for and the other side must be condemned in such strong terms that it never seems to be enough for some people?


I think you just called Trump a racist Tgo.

No, but that's a good job putting words in my mouth. I see you are joining the ever growing list of PC posters who don't know how to have a conversation without engaging in strawmans and deflections. Good job. Next step is to whine whenever I call out your strawmans.

[Parkbandit]

Funny how you decided to defend Robert E. Lee's stance on slavery yet you seemed to skip right over the post where I quoted him, in his own words, saying it's better for black people that they're enslaved. That it's for their own betterment. And that it's actually harder on the poor white slave owners than it is on the slaves.

A twisted sense of it being a "necessary evil" to better a race through subjugation and violence doesn't mean that the man wasn't racist or that his beliefs were somehow not awful.

Trying to make life 150 years ago live up to today's standards is a fool's game, played by really stupid fools.

Keep up the keeping up.

[Tgo01]

What did Tgo say again? Only other racists were trying to rationalize their behavior?

That's actually not what I said. You can stop putting words in my mouth at anytime. Thanks.

[Parkbandit]

That's actually not what I said. You can stop putting words in my mouth at anytime. Thanks.

But that's what you meant to say.

And someone has to stand in place of Warriorbird.

[Pin]

I like how you and others have already tried this case. What happens if we find out that this guy was being attacked, jumped in his car and completely panicked as his car was being smashed by alt-left "protesters"?

You won't find this out because the guy clearly ran his car down an alleyway to hit protesters. There are at least 4 different videos that I've watched that showed this dude was clearly in the wrong.

You can't drive your car into a group of people and then claim you were scared because they were all around you.

[Parkbandit]

You won't find this out because the guy clearly ran his car down an alleyway to hit protesters. There are at least 4 different videos that I've watched that showed this dude was clearly in the wrong.

You can't drive your car into a group of people and then claim you were scared because they were all around you.

I've only seen what's on tv.. but it's very likely he did this on purpose.

[Methais]

Funny how you decided to defend Robert E. Lee's stance on slavery yet you seemed to skip right over the post where I quoted him, in his own words, saying it's better for black people that they're enslaved. That it's for their own betterment. And that it's actually harder on the poor white slave owners than it is on the slaves.

A twisted sense of it being a "necessary evil" to better a race through subjugation and violence doesn't mean that the man wasn't racist or that his beliefs were somehow not awful.


Funny how you're applying 2017 standards to 1800s culture. Either way it still doesn't change the fact that had Virginia not seceded, Lee would have fought for the Union. Then he would magically be not racist, right?

It's also funny how you seem to think lines of thought like his weren't commonplace at the time, north or south. For the time his views on it were probably pretty progressive. Old progressive that is, not the new 2017 regressive progressive.

I can't speak for anyone else, but for me personally, I'd rather be put out in a field to pick cotton or whatever than have to deal with surviving in Africa. How about you?

[Back]

Funny how you're applying 2017 standards to 1800s culture. Either way it still doesn't change the fact that had Virginia not seceded, Lee would have fought for the Union. Then he would magically be not racist, right?

It's also funny how you seem to think lines of thought like his weren't commonplace at the time, north or south. For the time his views on it were probably pretty progressive. Old progressive that is, not the new 2017 regressive progressive.

I can't speak for anyone else, but for me personally, I'd rather be put out in a field to pick cotton or whatever than have to deal with surviving in Africa. How about you?

Yeah I don't think you'd want to be a slave. Just saying.

[Methais]

ROFL! Where did you hear this? So... a guy who owned slaves, was notoriously brutal to them, was a proponent of breaking up slave families to keep them subjugated, who lead the entire south in a war against the Americans of the Union in order to keep slavery wasn't exactly a fan of slavery. ROFL! That sounds EXACTLY like a fan of slavery.

Remember when we had this exact same discussion like a month or 2 ago in another thread, it was answered, and your response was basically "NUH UH!"? Remember when someone already documented the answer to your post in this thread too? Try to keep up. Or maybe do some historical fucking research instead of taking everything the MSM tells you to think as gospel. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if you think Charlie Chaplin and his Nazi army tried to take over the world until the Un Un-Nazi'd the world.


That talk of loyalty to Virginia is equally ridiculous.

State loyalty > federal loyalty back then. That applied to pretty much everyone during that time. Perhaps if you picked up a book now and then you'd learn something. But first you'd have to accept the fact that facts won't always agree with your precious feelings.

This is why it's extra hilarious when you try to talk shit about anyone else, like literally anyone at all including an amoeba, being uneducated.

Speaking of amoebas...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G67ds2YGAJw

[Tenlaar]

I didn't say that he was alone in his beliefs. If you want to consider "it's a necessary evil for their own good and it's harder on us white folks, really" to be not believing in slavery or worth being called racist then...I don't even know what to say. Have a nice day, I guess?

[Back]

Remember when we had this exact same discussion like a month or 2 ago in another thread, it was answered, and your response was basically "NUH UH!"? Remember when someone already documented the answer to your post in this thread too? Try to keep up. Or maybe do some historical fucking research instead of taking everything the MSM tells you to think as gospel. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if you think Charlie Chaplin and his Nazi army tried to take over the world until the Un Un-Nazi'd the world.



State loyalty > federal loyalty back then. That applied to pretty much everyone during that time. Perhaps if you picked up a book now and then you'd learn something. But first you'd have to accept the fact that facts won't always agree with your precious feelings.

All your talk about seeing the past through the veil of the present does not explain why there were so many people against slavery back then.

[Methais]

All your talk about seeing the past through the veil of the present does not explain why there were so many people against slavery back then.

Oh right, I forgot. Please tell me more about how the north was so welcoming to black people even after slavery was abolished.

Since you have trouble doing things like research or thinking for yourself, here's what was already posted both in this thread and the other thread where we had the exact same discussion that your fringe ideology prevents you from actually learning anything from because of your intolerance against anything you disagree with, regardless of what the facts are.

https://history.mcc.edu/wordpress/history/2014/04/02/a-letter-from-robert-e-lee-to-his-wife/

[Tgo01]

Oh right, I forgot. Please tell me more about how the north was so welcoming to black people even after slavery was abolished.

OMG! You're defending slavery and think slavery was good!!

[Back]

Oh right, I forgot. Please tell me more about how the north was so welcoming to black people even after slavery was abolished.

Since you have trouble doing things like research or thinking for yourself, here's what was already posted both in this thread and the other thread where we had the exact same discussion that your fringe ideology prevents you from actually learning anything from because of your intolerance against anything you disagree with, regardless of what the facts are.

https://history.mcc.edu/wordpress/history/2014/04/02/a-letter-from-robert-e-lee-to-his-wife/

I have yet to see where Lee is some great American hero we should honor. I suppose that must just be my "fringe" belief that slavery is, was, and will always be wrong.

[Methais]

Yeah I don't think you'd want to be a slave. Just saying.

If the alternative was trying to survive in the wilds of Africa, sure I would. Both would still suck, but I think it's safe to say that not having to worry about being eaten by lions on a daily basis or whatever while also trying to not starve to death and all that would suck less than being in a field all day.

This is disregarding the fact of most of the slave traders in Africa being black. Are they racist for selling other black people into slavery?

[Methais]

I have yet to see where Lee is some great American hero we should honor. I suppose that must just be my "fringe" belief that slavery is, was, and will always be wrong.

Did I say that? Do you even remember the question you asked that I posted that link in response to? Or are you still hammered from Tuesday?

[Methais]

OMG! You're defending slavery and think slavery was good!!

OMG AM I NAZI NOW??????????????

[Back]

If the alternative was trying to survive in the wilds of Africa, sure I would. Both would still suck, but I think it's safe to say that not having to worry about being eaten by lions on a daily basis or whatever while also trying to not starve to death and all that would suck less than being in a field all day.

This is disregarding the fact of most of the slave traders in Africa being black. Are they racist for selling other black people into slavery?

Funny. A whole continent of people made out just fine without being beaten, tortured, being separated from their families, given inhumane living conditions, poor diets, not having freedom to do whatever the fuck they wanted, or death from slave owners.

The people who sold people to other people are just as bad. What does that have to do with anything?

[Tgo01]

OMG AM I NAZI NOW??????????????

Racist Nazi at that.

[Methais]

Funny. A whole continent of people made out just fine without being beaten, tortured, being separated from their families, given inhumane living conditions, poor diets, not having freedom to do whatever the fuck they wanted, or death from slave owners.

The people who sold people to other people are just as bad. What does that have to do with anything?

Can you provide a source for your statistics that indicate that not one person was unable to survive in the wilds of Africa?

Can you also explain to me how living in the jungle is better than living on a plantation? Perhaps you should hop on a plane and give it a whirl. A white guy moving to the jungles of Africa to signal their virtue would be the ultimate SJW move, second only to giving all your money to minorities and then killing yourself.

You want to be the ultimate SJW, don't you?

[Back]

Can you provide a source for your statistics that indicate that not one person was unable to survive in the wilds of Africa?

Can you also explain to me how living in the jungle is better than living on a plantation? Perhaps you should hop on a plane and give it a whirl. A white guy moving to the jungles of Africa to signal their virtue would be the ultimate SJW move, second only to giving all your money to minorities and then killing yourself.

You want to be the ultimate SJW, don't you?

Now you are just being silly. You may bend your will to another man for survival but I'll take the jungle and my freedom. Thanks.

[Methais]

Now you are just being silly. You may bend your will to another man for survival but I'll take the jungle and my freedom. Thanks.

Actually, it sounds to me like you just want black people to go back to Africa since it's too late for them to just stay in Africa.

Racist. You should be ashamed of yourself. No booze for you for 2 weeks.

You could of course prove me wrong by moving to Africa. But you wouldn't even sell your gun when you were crying about how guns should be illegal, so I think we all know how Backlash's great African journey is going to turn out.

[Back]

Actually, it sounds to me like you just want black people to go back to Africa since it's too late for them to just stay in Africa.

Racist. You should be ashamed of yourself. No booze for you for 2 weeks.

You could of course prove me wrong by moving to Africa. But you wouldn't even sell your gun when you were crying about how guns should be illegal, so I think we all know how Backlash's great African journey is going to turn out.

I don't know whats funnier. You thinking I would be beholden to you about a message board topic or you claiming you'd rather be a slave than live free.

[Methais]

Racist Nazi at that.

ARE ALL RACISTS NAZIS???

[Methais]

I don't know whats funnier. You thinking I would be beholden to you about a message board topic or you claiming you'd rather be a slave than live free.

What I said was I would be better off on a plantation than having to survive the wilds of Africa. Which you would be too, you'll just never admit it.

And yes, you are totally legally bound to move to Africa now. Get packing before I contact the police. And my lawyer. And Trump. You wouldn't last a day. And neither would I, along with 99% of everyone else here.

[Neveragain]

I don't know whats funnier. You thinking I would be beholden to you about a message board topic or you claiming you'd rather be a slave than live free.

So by living free I must assume you no longer support a government mandate for insurance?

We are making progress here I tell ya.

[Back]

Ok now I'm scared.

[Gelston]

Ok now I'm scared.

You're always saying you're scared. Why don't you go put on carebears and go hug your favorite stuffed animal.

[Methais]

Ok now I'm scared.

You lefties are always scared.

What are you not scared of would be the question with the shorter answer.

What are you not scared of Backlash?

[Back]

http://digg.com/2017/vice-charlottesville-documentary-christopher-cantwell-crying-neo-nazi

Neo-Nazi Subject Of VICE's Charlottesville Documentary Sobs On YouTube After Warrant Issued For His Arrest


Christopher Cantwell, one of the primary subjects of VICE News' viraldocumentary (http://digg.com/2017/vice-news-charlottesville-episode) on the Unite The Right rally in Charlottesville and a prominent Alt-Right media personality, sobbed in a personal YouTube video after he says a warrant was issued for his arrest.


I called the Charlottesville Police Department... and I said, ‘I have been told that there’s a warrant out for my arrest.’ They said that they wouldn’t confirm it but that I could find this out if I wanted to go a local magistrate or something.



He goes on to tearfully admit to committing violence during the rally, but claims it was self-defense:


If I have to go to jail today, it won't be the first time...I don't want to, I don't think I should...I've been engaged in violence... and I've done nothing to hide that, but it was done in defense of myself and others.

The video first appeared on YouTube on Saturday, seemingly hours after footage was shot by VICE of him advocating violence against counter-protesters.

Ironically, Cantwell ranted in the documentary about segregating white people from other races because he believes white people aren't prone to crime and violence. Cantwell was also interviewed on Sunday by VICE, and did not bring up any warrant for his arrest.

The phone number that Cantwell lists in the video and on his website appear to be disconnected or unavailable at this time.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAk6szYQ-bM

I'm not laughing. Pretty sad all around.

[Back]

You're always saying you're scared. Why don't you go put on carebears and go hug your favorite stuffed animal.


You lefties are always scared.

What are you not scared of would be the question with the shorter answer.

What are you not scared of Backlash?

Methais is going to call Trump on me! I guess you guys couldn't see the levity in my post. My bad.

[Gelston]

Methais is going to call Trump on me! I guess you guys couldn't see the levity in my post. My bad.

No, because you've said you are scared, afraid, pissing your panties, or whatever on multiple occasions.

[Back]

No, because you've said you are scared, afraid, pissing your panties, or whatever on multiple occasions.

Your face scares me.

[RichardCranium]

http://digg.com/2017/vice-charlottesville-documentary-christopher-cantwell-crying-neo-nazi

Neo-Nazi Subject Of VICE's Charlottesville Documentary Sobs On YouTube After Warrant Issued For His Arrest




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAk6szYQ-bM

I'm not laughing. Pretty sad all around.

What a pussy. I'm sure the majority of those racist fucks feel the same way, and that makes me laugh.

[Androidpk]

"What options do we have left?"

How about stop being a racist piece of shit for starters?

[Back]

If anyone hasn't seen this yet here is the Vice piece on the alt-right at Charlottesville. This guy talks some serious shit.


https://www.facebook.com/VICEVideo/videos/852427754917176/

[Methais]

http://digg.com/2017/vice-charlottesville-documentary-christopher-cantwell-crying-neo-nazi

Neo-Nazi Subject Of VICE's Charlottesville Documentary Sobs On YouTube After Warrant Issued For His Arrest




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAk6szYQ-bM

I'm not laughing. Pretty sad all around.

I agree but let's be real, you haven't laughed in decades.


Methais is going to call Trump on me! I guess you guys couldn't see the levity in my post. My bad.

You mean like you couldn't see the sarcasm in my post?

Who am I kidding? I got Trump's Batphone on speed dial.

[Methais]

If anyone hasn't seen this yet here is the Vice piece on the alt-right at Charlottesville. This guy talks some serious shit.


https://www.facebook.com/VICEVideo/videos/852427754917176/

FB videos don't work with [ video ] tags because Mark Zuckerberg hates Kranar ever since he lost a duel on the boulder.

[Back]

I agree but let's be real, you haven't laughed in decades.

You mean like you couldn't see the sarcasm in my post?

Who am I kidding? I got Trump's Batphone on speed dial.

Actually I did get the sarcasm of your post. I just didn't specifically say I was posting in a joking manner. How come you didn't figure that out since you're such a smart ass? HUH??

And who the fuck do you think you are Nostodamos? I haven't laughed? I've been laughing at your absurd posts all day Mr, I'd Rather Be A Slave.

[Back]

FB videos don't work with [ video ] tags because Mark Zuckerberg hates Kranar ever since he lost a duel on the boulder.

Seems to work for me with Chrome on Windows Vista.

[Tgo01]

Seems to work for me with Chrome on Windows Vista.

Windows Vista? You really are a terrorist.

[drauz]

The whole thing would not have happened if racist nazi white supremacists hadn't insisted on holding an assembly in public. Did they have the right? Yes. Did they have the permit? Yes. Did they know there could be violence? Yes. But they went ahead and did it anyway. What happened? Heather Heyer who was a law-abiding peaceful protester exercising her Constitutional rights was murdered by a white supremacist nazi admirer.

This is just so cringe worthy...

Let me just rephrase this for you.

If people didn't say things that I disagree with there wouldn't have been a problem. If only they hadn't used their constitutionally protected rights, none of this would have happened..

[Back]

This is just so cringe worthy...

Let me just rephrase this for you.

If people didn't say things that I disagree with there wouldn't have been a problem. If only they hadn't used their constitutionally protected rights, none of this would have happened..

Things change when you get into hate speech.

[drauz]

Things change when you get into hate speech.

Yeah when you completely change your statement, things change. Reread your statement and see where you mention hate speech.


The whole thing would not have happened if racist nazi white supremacists hadn't insisted on holding an assembly in public. Did they have the right? Yes. Did they have the permit? Yes. Did they know there could be violence? Yes. But they went ahead and did it anyway. What happened? Heather Heyer who was a law-abiding peaceful protester exercising her Constitutional rights was murdered by a white supremacist nazi admirer.

You are literally advocating against being allowed to speak.

You are the definition of fascism.

[Back]

Yeah when you completely change your statement, things change. Reread your statement and see where you mention hate speech.

You are the guy who jumps to their defense talking about freedom of speech. I pretty much thought it was a foregone conclusion that what they preach is considered hate speech.

[Back]

Have any of you guys actually read about or seen and heard what these people were saying at those rallies?

[Gelston]

Have any of you guys actually read about or seen and heard what these people were saying at those rallies?

So? Are they breaking any laws? This country is built on certain freedoms, such as speech. You may not agree with it, but it is their right. Trying to shut up people because you disagree with them has got to be one of the most UnAmerican things you can do.

[drauz]

You are the guy who jumps to their defense talking about freedom of speech. I pretty much thought it was a foregone conclusion that what they preach is considered hate speech.

Correct, and anyone elses. I can mock what they say but I will always defend their right to say it.

That is how it is supposed to work.

For what I've read and seen they were chanting, "Blood and Soil", " You will not replace us", and "white lives matter". How is any of that hate speech as defined by the law? I will agree with you that its a super shitty thing, but until they advocate violence its not criminal.

[drauz]

As PB already said this quote beautifully explains my position.

" America isn't easy. America is advanced citizenship. You've gotta want it bad, 'cause it's gonna put up a fight. It's gonna say, 'You want free speech? Let's see you acknowledge a man whose words make your blood boil, who's standing center stage and advocating at the top of his lungs that which you would spend a lifetime opposing at the top of yours.' You want to claim this land as the land of the free? Then the symbol of your country cannot just be a flag. The symbol also has to be one of its citizens exercising his right to burn that flag in protest. Now show me that, defend that, celebrate that in your classrooms. Then, you can stand up and sing about the land of the free."

Michael Douglas in American President

[Gelston]

"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"

Some English woman from the 1800s knows more about Freedom of Speech than Back does.

[Back]

Hate speech isn't protected. Check out that Vice video. You'll see what they were really saying.

[Gelston]

Hate speech isn't protected. Check out that Vice video. You'll see what they were really saying.

Gee, why aren't they all being arrested? No charges? Oh, because you're full of shit.

Hate speech is protected. That is why Westboro continues to operate.

[Gelston]

In June 2017, the Supreme Court affirmed in an unanimous decision on Matal v. Tam that the disparagement clause of the Lanham Act violates the First Amendment's free speech clause. The issue was about government prohibiting the registration of trademarks that are "racially disparaging". Justice Samuel Alito writes:

Speech that demeans on the basis of race, ethnicity, gender, religion, age, disability, or any other similar ground is hateful; but the proudest boast of our free speech jurisprudence is that we protect the freedom to express “the thought that we hate.” United States v. Schwimmer, 279 U. S. 644, 655 (1929) (Holmes, J., dissenting).[93]

Justice Anthony Kennedy also writes:

A law that can be directed against speech found offensive to some portion of the public can be turned against minority and dissenting views to the detriment of all. The First Amendment does not entrust that power to the government’s benevolence. Instead, our reliance must be on the substantial safeguards of free and open discussion in a democratic society.[93]

Effectively, the Supreme Court unanimously reaffirms that there is no 'hate speech' exception to the First Amendment.

[Latrinsorm]

Sure. You're right, I associate myself with myself. Glad to see you finally realize this after 7 years. Wow I was just kidding when I said you were calling me a Nazi, but here you are. So Tgo01, the person who almost always takes Israel's side in things, is a Nazi. Fantastic work, Latrin. Fantastic. This is like when those radical leftists literally refer to a Jew as a Nazi.It's too bad you've honed your persecution complex to such a razor edge. Oh well. For the record I said you associate with Nazis. This was so terrifying for you that you were literally incapable of reading it, and so invented a fake narrative where you were literally being called a literal Nazi. It's okay. Like I said, I didn't expect you to be able to take this learning opportunity anyway.
For what I've read and seen they were chanting, "Blood and Soil", " You will not replace us", and "white lives matter". How is any of that hate speech as defined by the law? I will agree with you that its a super shitty thing, but until they advocate violence its not criminal.Laws that forbid the advocacy of violence in and of itself are unconstitutional. "directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action and is likely to incite or produce such action" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandenburg_v._Ohio) is the test. Let me know if you want to dismiss another inarguable example of your ignorance as condescension on my part.
No matter what he said or did, it still wouldn't be enough for some fringies like yourself. Trump can absolutely do no right in your mind.Fringies like Pin, Paul Ryan, Marco Rubio, Bernie Sanders, Hilary Clinton... huh. It's almost like the overwhelming majority are the ones criticizing the President in this case. Huh!
Know what Trump should have said?"That's the end of my speech on infrastructure, no questions, God bless America."
State loyalty > federal loyalty back then. That applied to pretty much everyone during that time. Perhaps if you picked up a book now and then you'd learn something. But first you'd have to accept the fact that facts won't always agree with your precious feelings.Article 3 Section 3 and Article 6 of the United States Constitution. Thanks for playing.
Prior to the civil war, in many places, loyalty was to state before country. Lee went with Virginia. If he had gone with the North he'd be called a traitor to his state. He really couldn't win.He could win by not committing treason.

It's pretty simple.

Someone asks you to take up arms against your country, you say no.

Congrats! You didn't commit treason!

[Androidpk]

Hate speech isn't protected. Check out that Vice video. You'll see what they were really saying.

This is the United States, not Canada.

[Tgo01]

Have any of you guys actually read about or seen and heard what these people were saying at those rallies?

Who gives a flying fuck?

Black supremacists give speeches all the time about how backwards and inferior whites are. You don't see me showing up to their rallies with baseball bats.

Feminists give speeches all the time about how all men are rapists and we need to outlaw being male, you don't see me showing up their rallies with pepper spray.

Do what most rational adults do; laugh at them on the internet and move on with your life.

[Gelston]

Who gives a flying fuck?

Black supremacists give speeches all the time about how backwards and inferior whites are. You don't see me showing up to their rallies with baseball bats.

Feminists give speeches all the time about how all men are rapists and we need to outlaw being male, you don't see me showing up their rallies with pepper spray.

Do what most rational adults do; laugh at them on the internet and move on with your life.

It is because Back is retarded, doesn't know anything about Civil Rights or the Constitution, and thought that "hate speech" wasn't protected.

[Tgo01]

"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"

This quote needs to be updated:

I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death other people's rights to destroy you.

[Tgo01]

Hate speech isn't protected.

Yes hate speech is protected. That's why we have freedom of speech!

Do you think we would even need freedom of speech if it only pertained to nice words and speech everyone agreed with who?

Also who is the ultimate arbiter of who decides what is hate speech and what is not? You?

[Gelston]

Yes hate speech is protected. That's why we have freedom of speech!

Do you think we would even need freedom of speech if it only pertained to nice words and speech everyone agreed with who?

Also who is the ultimate arbiter of who decides what is hate speech and what is not? You?

Basically what the Supreme Court said is that the Government isn't capable of fairly policing Speech as far as what is and isn't "Hate speech", and so the Government can not.

[Back]

Yes hate speech is protected. That's why we have freedom of speech!

Do you think we would even need freedom of speech if it only pertained to nice words and speech everyone agreed with who?

Also who is the ultimate arbiter of who decides what is hate speech and what is not? You?

Yes since they were granted the permit to hold the rally in the first place. Speech towards an individual that is directly insulting, fighting words, so that any reasonable person would react is not protected. Some of them definitely crossed that line with counter protesters. Thats where I drew a hazy distinction.

So, yes, their rally was protected by the First Amendment.

[Tgo01]

Basically what the Supreme Court said is that the Government is capable of fairly policing Speech as far as what is and isn't "Hate speech", and so the Government can not.

Should the bold word be isn't? Not trying to be a smart ass, it would just make more sense if so :p

[Gelston]

Yes since they were granted the permit to hold the rally in the first place. Speech towards an individual that is directly insulting, fighting words, so that any reasonable person would react is not protected. Some of them definitely crossed that line with counter protesters. Thats where I drew a hazy distinction.

So, yes, their rally was protected by the First Amendment.

Rofl, bringing up "fighting words" now. That is a protection for someone that gets into a fight with someone because of what they said, not an excuse for the Government to arrest people for using them.


Should the bold word be isn't? Not trying to be a smart ass, it would just make more sense if so :p

Stop editing my posts, it is isn't.

[Tgo01]

Speech towards an individual that is directly insulting, fighting words, so that any reasonable person would react is not protected.

Quote for me the law/legal opinion you are referring to.

[Gelston]

Quote for me the law/legal opinion you are referring to.

Fighting words is a thing, but it is protections for person in court. They can prove the other person was the aggressor due to his words, kinda saying he was the first person to throw a punch, even though it was speech. Not something a cop can arrest you for.

Like:

Person A: All niggars must hang!
Person B punches person A.
Person B's charges are dropped due to the fighting words clause.

This is a state by state thing, not all have it.

[Back]

Quote for me the law/legal opinion you are referring to.


Words which would likely make the person whom they are addressed commit an act of violence. Fighting words are a category of speech that is unprotected by the First Amendment (http://topics.law.cornell.edu/wex/First_Amendment). Chaplinsky v New Hampshire (http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/historics/USSC_CR_0315_0568_ZO.html), 315 U.S. 568 (1942).

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/fighting_words

[drauz]

Laws that forbid the advocacy of violence in and of itself are unconstitutional. "directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action and is likely to incite or produce such action" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandenburg_v._Ohio) is the test. Let me know if you want to dismiss another inarguable example of your ignorance as condescension on my part.

In N Carolina you can't have a bingo game that lasts more than 5 hrs.

[Steve]

[/FONT][/COLOR]https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/fighting_words

pwned. With precedent even.

[Gelston]

pwned. With precedent even.

No, because that is fighting words. Not hate speech. Hate speech is protected.

[~Rocktar~]

Hate speech isn't protected. Check out that Vice video. You'll see what they were really saying.

The SCOTUS disagrees.

Attacking people physically, getting them fired, and so on because you disagree with what they say is exactly what real Nazis did before WWII. Trying to fight so called "fascists" using fascist tactics just makes you another kind of fascist.

[Gelston]

BTW, as far as your "imminent danger" caused by speech, go ahead and check out the 2011 Snyder v Phelps.

Snyder v. Phelps, 562 U.S. 443 (2011), is a landmark United States Supreme Court case where the Supreme Court ruled that speech on a matter of public concern, on a public street, cannot be the basis of liability for a tort of emotional distress, even in the circumstances that the speech is viewed or interpreted as "offensive" or "outrageous".

[Latrinsorm]

None of the quotes I provided fall under that.The event we're talking about produced lawless action very promptly after the speech in question. (That goes without saying, but I'm sure you'll disagree with it anyway because as I've said, your only purpose here is to find an argument.) The question is only whether that speech was likely to incite said action. We could talk about how said Nazis were wearing body armor, helmets, carrying shields, weapons, etc., and I would obviously be right. But a picture's worth a thousand words.

https://i.makeagif.com/media/7-20-2015/qAAvZh.gif

Look at that! I'm still right! Well put! Well put!
No, because that is fighting words. Not hate speech. Hate speech is protected.Hate speech is neither protected nor forbidden. If a certain speech is Constitutionally protected, it is irrelevant whether it is hate speech or not. If it is not so protected, it is irrelevant whether it is hate speech or not. Freedom of speech does not protect speech you hate. Whether you hate it or love it is completely irrelevant.
BTW, as far as your "imminent danger" caused by speech, go ahead and check out the 2011 Snyder v Phelps. Snyder v. Phelps, 562 U.S. 443 (2011), is a landmark United States Supreme Court case where the Supreme Court ruled that speech on a matter of public concern, on a public street, cannot be the basis of liability for a tort of emotional distress, even in the circumstances that the speech is viewed or interpreted as "offensive" or "outrageous".A ruling that makes no reference to imminent danger whatsoever. Classic stuff, Gelly.

[Tgo01]

[/FONT][/COLOR]https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/fighting_words

So it's as Gelston stated; you subtlety changed the conversation from "hate speech" to specific targeted insults on specific places of public property which would disturb the peace.

Got it.

[Latrinsorm]

So it's as Gelston stated; you subtlety changed the conversation from "hate speech" to specific targeted insults"Jews will not replace us"
on specific places of public property"any street or other public place"
which would disturb the peace.A hundred screaming bros with torches sounds like a noise ordinance violation to me.
Got it.Seriously, just take one second. Turn off your b***shit sarcasm and woe is me routine, and actually think about this.

Why is Marco Rubio siding with the lefties on this?

MARCO RUBIO

Marco "human activity does not play a major role in global warming" Rubio
Marco "there should be more vetting of refugees" Rubio
Marco "prohibit an abortion from being performed if the probable post-fertilization age of the unborn child is 20 weeks or greater" Rubio
Marco "gun control laws consistently fail to achieve their purpose" Rubio
Marco "streamline the appeals process on capital punishment" Rubio

You cannot find a more Republican Republican than Marco Rubio.

If him disagreeing with you doesn't give you pause, who on Earth would?

[Tgo01]

"Jews will not replace us"

That's not targeted insults.

A targeted insult would be walking up to a police officer and calling them a fascist, which ironically is the situation which prompted this ruling.

Now hmm...who is showing up to whom's rallies to get in people's faces and call them fascists? Who who who...

It also doesn't matter because Back started this tangent by saying hate speech is not protected speech then pivoted to this fighting words nonsense.

Hate speech != fighting words.

[Latrinsorm]

That's not targeted insults.Tell us again what a great friend to Israel you are.

[Back]

That's not targeted insults.

A targeted insult would be walking up to a police officer and calling them a fascist, which ironically is the situation which prompted this ruling.

Now hmm...who is showing up to whom's rallies to get in people's faces and call them fascists? Who who who...

It also doesn't matter because Back started this tangent by saying hate speech is not protected speech then pivoted to this fighting words nonsense.

Hate speech != fighting words.

Hey, I dialed it back and agreed that the rallies were indeed protected. Give me some credit.

[Tgo01]

Tell us again what a great friend to Israel you are.

I can both be a great friend to Israel and recognize when speech doesn't break the law. Crazy I know.

[Androidpk]

Hey, I dialed it back and agreed that the rallies were indeed protected. Give me some credit.

I'll give you credit when you admit that Antifa violence has no place in political discourse.

[drauz]

The event we're talking about produced lawless action very promptly after the speech in question. (That goes without saying, but I'm sure you'll disagree with it anyway because as I've said, your only purpose here is to find an argument.) The question is only whether that speech was likely to incite said action.


speech is not protected by the First Amendment if the speaker intends to incite a violation of the law that is both imminent and likely. While the precise meaning of "imminent" may be ambiguous in some cases, the court provided later clarification in Hess v. Indiana (1973). In this case, the court found that Hess's words did not fall outside the limits of protected speech, in part, because his speech "amounted to nothing more than advocacy of illegal action at some indefinite future time,"[1] and therefore did not meet the imminence requirement.

Saying things that people disagree with is protected by the First Amendment. A call to direct violence isn't.

Just so there is no gray area (a place you seem to love to stay in).

Tell us your opinion of this whole situation.

[Tgo01]

I'll give you credit when you admit that Antifa violence has no place in political discourse.

What happened to pk? Yesterday he was all "NAZIS SUCK! DON'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THE LEFT!"

Now he's all "ANTIFA SUCKS TOO! ADMIT IT!!!"

[Gelston]

What happened to pk? Yesterday he was all "NAZIS SUCK! DON'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THE LEFT!"

Now he's all "ANTIFA SUCKS TOO! ADMIT IT!!!"

I think it would be awesome if they both just beat each other into submission.

[Latrinsorm]

Saying things that people disagree with is protected by the First Amendment.False, because one thing that people can disagree with is, drum roll please...
A call to direct violence on the spot, isn't.And we have a case where a bunch of people exhorted direct violence and direct violence promptly happened. You can stop virtue signaling about how much you want to protect speech you hate. I can't stress this enough, the amount anyone disagrees with speech is completely irrelevant to whether it's protected or not. Stop taking your Constitutional clues from Larry Flynt.

[Gelston]

False, because one thing that people can disagree with is, drum roll please...And we have a case where a bunch of people exhorted direct violence and direct violence promptly happened. You can stop virtue signaling about how much you want to protect speech you hate. I can't stress this enough, the amount anyone disagrees with speech is completely irrelevant to whether it's protected or not. Stop taking your Constitutional clues from Larry Flynt.

Where were they calling for direct violence?

[Androidpk]

What happened to pk? Yesterday he was all "NAZIS SUCK! DON'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THE LEFT!"

Now he's all "ANTIFA SUCKS TOO! ADMIT IT!!!"

When did I ever say don't say anything about Antifa?

[drauz]

False, because one thing that people can disagree with is, drum roll please...And we have a case where a bunch of people exhorted direct violence and direct violence promptly happened. You can stop virtue signaling about how much you want to protect speech you hate.

Its not just protecting speech I hate, its just protecting free speech full stop. Whether it is hateful or not doesn't matter to me in this regard. You know next to nothing about me but pretend to know the inner workings of my mind.

So there are the quotes I read about, and then there are the quotes you still have yet to provide that show what you are talking about. I'm not going to fish around google for what you want me to see. I read a LA times article and a WaPo article and nothing I read said what you are saying happened.


I can't stress this enough, the amount anyone disagrees with speech is completely irrelevant to whether it's protected or not.

What's your point?


Just so there is no gray area (a place you seem to love to stay in).

Tell us your opinion of this whole situation.

[Tgo01]

When did I ever say don't say anything about Antifa?

You were losing your shit because people were saying both sides were wrong.

[Androidpk]

You were losing your shit because people were saying both sides were wrong.

Hyperbole alert :jerkit:

[drauz]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance

[Gelston]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puppy_monkey_baby

[Gelston]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puppy_monkey_baby

[Methais]

Seems to work for me with Chrome on Windows Vista.

Why the fuck are you using Vista? This is why Trump won.

[Methais]

Things change when you get into hate speech.

No they don't. Hate speech is protected by the First Amendment. Sorry if that hurts your feelings but you still have to accept it and deal with it.


You are the guy who jumps to their defense talking about freedom of speech. I pretty much thought it was a foregone conclusion that what they preach is considered hate speech.

Hate speech is protected by the First Amendment. Sorry if that hurts your feelings but you still have to accept it and deal with it.


Have any of you guys actually read about or seen and heard what these people were saying at those rallies?

Hate speech is protected by the First Amendment. Sorry if that hurts your feelings but you still have to accept it and deal with it.


Hate speech isn't protected. Check out that Vice video. You'll see what they were really saying.

Hate speech is protected by the First Amendment. Sorry if that hurts your feelings but you still have to accept it and deal with it.

[Methais]

Yes since they were granted the permit to hold the rally in the first place. Speech towards an individual that is directly insulting, fighting words, so that any reasonable person would react is not protected. Some of them definitely crossed that line with counter protesters. Thats where I drew a hazy distinction.

So, yes, their rally was protected by the First Amendment.

Insults are against the law now?

Stop being such a stupid fuck holy shit. Just fuck off and go eat time4fun's ass.

[Wrathbringer]

No they don't. Hate speech is protected by the First Amendment. Sorry if that hurts your feelings but you still have to accept it and deal with it.



Hate speech is protected by the First Amendment. Sorry if that hurts your feelings but you still have to accept it and deal with it.



Hate speech is protected by the First Amendment. Sorry if that hurts your feelings but you still have to accept it and deal with it.



Hate speech is protected by the First Amendment. Sorry if that hurts your feelings but you still have to accept it and deal with it.

this is correct

[Methais]

this is correct

This is also correct.

[Androidpk]

Someone on Trump's staff really needs to tell him to stop bring up that faux story about General Pershing and the Muslim massacre. Or not :lol:

[Parkbandit]

Why the fuck are you using Vista? This is why Trump won.

You are literally communicating with a guy who drilled holes in his computer case for ventilation.

He's about as sharp as a tennis ball.

[Latrinsorm]

Its not just protecting speech I hate, its just protecting free speech full stop. Whether it is hateful or not doesn't matter to me in this regard. You know next to nothing about me but pretend to know the inner workings of my mind. So there are the quotes I read about, and then there are the quotes you still have yet to provide that show what you are talking about.I've yet to provide them because you never once asked me for them. This is why I'm not 'pretending' to know the inner workings of your mind, I see them quite clearly. Here's another example:
What's your point?These were back to back posts:
"Saying things that people disagree with is protected by the First Amendment."
"the amount anyone disagrees with speech is completely irrelevant to whether it's protected or not."
And you ask what my point is! lol.

Let me ask you, seriously. One Netizen to another. Isn't this shtick of yours way more work than just posting honestly? I feel like you'd have to go so far out of your way to do this that it couldn't possibly be worth the effort, but here we are. It's not like there are any shortage of people on the Internet who would disagree with what you honestly believed and get you your argument fix. I just don't get it.

Anyway.
Tell us your opinion of this whole situation.1. This particular Nazi rally included speech that failed the test established in Brandenburg v. Ohio that has never been overturned or altered. To wit:
-it was directed to incite or produce imminent lawless action, and
-it was likely to incite or produce such action.

It does not matter that the speech was hateful.
It does not matter that the speech was unpleasant.
It does not matter that the speech was racist.
It does not matter.
This speech was not protected in the same way that yelling fire in a crowded theater is not protected.

2. This statue (and many like it) were explicitly designed to glorify the Confederacy.
Not Virginia.
Not America.
Not states' rights.
The Confederacy.
Know how I know this? It had an unveiling ceremony. The veil used was not the flag of Virginia, nor the flag of America, nor a tarp with "states' rights" written on it.
It was the Confederate flag.
And the speeches given included one welcoming veterans as:
"Confederate Veterans, cherishing deathless devotion to a cause as precious to them in old age as it was when, in glorious youth, they trod battlefields."

It (and many like it) continue to explicitly glorify the Confederacy and other failed, treasonous movements based on racism such as Naziism.

We tore down symbols glorifying Naziism seventy years ago, and everybody is still extremely well versed in the history of the Nazis.
Ergo we can tear these down without fear that anyone will forget the history of the Confederacy.

[drauz]

I've yet to provide them because you never once asked me for them. This is why I'm not 'pretending' to know the inner workings of your mind, I see them quite clearly. Here's another example:These were back to back posts:
"Saying things that people disagree with is protected by the First Amendment."
"the amount anyone disagrees with speech is completely irrelevant to whether it's protected or not."
And you ask what my point is! lol.

Let me ask you, seriously. One Netizen to another. Isn't this shtick of yours way more work than just posting honestly? I feel like you'd have to go so far out of your way to do this that it couldn't possibly be worth the effort, but here we are. It's not like there are any shortage of people on the Internet who would disagree with what you honestly believed and get you your argument fix. I just don't get it.

If you can't see how your comment and mine aren't related, I can't help you.

I don't have subpoena powers, feel free not to respond if this is an imposition on you.

[Latrinsorm]

If you can't see how your comment and mine aren't related, I can't help you.

I don't have subpoena powers, feel free not to respond if this is an imposition on you.No huffy remark about not responding to me anymore this time? I guess you can change up your shtick after all.

[drauz]

No huffy remark about not responding to me anymore this time? I guess you can change up your shtick after all.

Its almost like my moods can change from day to day...like a human.

Beep-boop.

[Androidpk]

Its almost like my moods can change from day to day...like a human.

Beep-boop.

Schizophrenia

[drauz]

Schizophrenia

Thats what the voice in my head said too.

[drauz]

Harry Potter has become a Grand Wizard

http://i.imgur.com/7xrX0Eh.png

[Neveragain]

I've yet to provide them because you never once asked me for them. This is why I'm not 'pretending' to know the inner workings of your mind, I see them quite clearly. Here's another example:These were back to back posts:
"Saying things that people disagree with is protected by the First Amendment."
"the amount anyone disagrees with speech is completely irrelevant to whether it's protected or not."
And you ask what my point is! lol.

Let me ask you, seriously. One Netizen to another. Isn't this shtick of yours way more work than just posting honestly? I feel like you'd have to go so far out of your way to do this that it couldn't possibly be worth the effort, but here we are. It's not like there are any shortage of people on the Internet who would disagree with what you honestly believed and get you your argument fix. I just don't get it.

Anyway.1. This particular Nazi rally included speech that failed the test established in Brandenburg v. Ohio that has never been overturned or altered. To wit:
-it was directed to incite or produce imminent lawless action, and
-it was likely to incite or produce such action.

It does not matter that the speech was hateful.
It does not matter that the speech was unpleasant.
It does not matter that the speech was racist.
It does not matter.
This speech was not protected in the same way that yelling fire in a crowded theater is not protected.

2. This statue (and many like it) were explicitly designed to glorify the Confederacy.
Not Virginia.
Not America.
Not states' rights.
The Confederacy.
Know how I know this? It had an unveiling ceremony. The veil used was not the flag of Virginia, nor the flag of America, nor a tarp with "states' rights" written on it.
It was the Confederate flag.
And the speeches given included one welcoming veterans as:
"Confederate Veterans, cherishing deathless devotion to a cause as precious to them in old age as it was when, in glorious youth, they trod battlefields."

It (and many like it) continue to explicitly glorify the Confederacy and other failed, treasonous movements based on racism such as Naziism.

We tore down symbols glorifying Naziism seventy years ago, and everybody is still extremely well versed in the history of the Nazis.
Ergo we can tear these down without fear that anyone will forget the history of the Confederacy.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wx_Zo93RQoo

[Methais]

You are literally communicating with a guy who drilled holes in his computer case for ventilation.

He's about as sharp as a tennis ball.

Wait what?

Backlash did you really do that? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

+5000000000 points if you can find the post.

[Back]

Wait what?

Backlash did you really do that? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

+5000000000 points if you can find the post.

Yep. I sure did. Solved my overheating problem too. Long story. Still using it today. Not to be confused with my office computer that runs Vista. I, like I'm sure everyone else, post from various places.

88038804

[Parkbandit]

Wait what?

Backlash did you really do that? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

+5000000000 points if you can find the post.

I WOULD LIKE MY PAYMENT NOW!!!!!!!!

http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?108102-Things-that-made-you-laugh-today-(Political-Version)&p=1976172#post1976172

[Methais]

I WOULD LIKE MY PAYMENT NOW!!!!!!!!

http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?108102-Things-that-made-you-laugh-today-(Political-Version)&p=1976172#post1976172

This is worth 5000000037 points, so you're getting a real steal!
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/9U-b9FGWtlE/hqdefault.jpg


Yep. I sure did. Solved my overheating problem too. Long story. Still using it today. Not to be confused with my office computer that runs Vista. I, like I'm sure everyone else, post from various places.

88038804

You running Vista is why the DNC got hacked. You helped Trump win. You even did most of the work for him.

Thanks Backlash!

[Taernath]

I would probably just buy a case with better airflow, but drilling holes and mounting a fan is a legitimate solution.

[Methais]

I would probably just buy a case with better airflow, but drilling holes and mounting a fan is a legitimate solution.

I have my motherboard hanging freely from the ceiling fan. Fuck cases, I have 0 cooling problems ever.

[Taernath]

I have my motherboard hanging freely from the ceiling fan. Fuck cases, I have 0 cooling problems ever.

How about those dust and static problems tho

[Methais]

How about those dust and static problems tho

I have a Dustbuster hanging over the ceiling fan with the on button taped down.

[Back]

Good reading.

http://digg.com/2017/what-is-antifa

Helpful Things To Read About Fascism, And The Fight Against It



For many, this past week has been an eye-opening one. Protests on Saturday against the removal of Confederate monuments in Charlottesville (http://digg.com/2017/charlottesville-violence-what-to-read), led by white nationalists and Neo-Nazi groups, left three dead and dozens injured.

On Monday, Vice published a shocking, almost terrifying, look (http://digg.com/2017/vice-news-charlottesville-episode) into the minds and actions of white supremacists in Charlottesville. On Tuesday, President Donald Trump, in a press conference that was supposed to announced his proposed infrastructure bill, blamed both sides of the protest (http://digg.com/2017/trump-press-conference-charlottesville) — falsely equivocating white nationalists and Neo-Nazis with... people who think racism, hate and fascism is bad? The only person who seemed delighted at the president's reaction was former KKK Grand Wizard David Duke (https://twitter.com/DrDavidDuke/status/897559892164304896). By Friday,both sides of the aisle (http://digg.com/2017/what-did-trump-do-today-august-18-2017) were trying to get Trump to walk back his statements supporting white nationalism.


By now you've likely seen dozens and dozens of tweets, stories, Facebook status updates, cable news segments all trying to make sense of the past 7 days. A fair amount have mentioned an ideology that hasn't been brought up this urgently since the '30s: Fascism. It's not exactly a stretch. President Trump defended the actions of a group of white nationalists. You know who else was a leader of a large nation and also defended the actions of white nationalists?


To most, fascism is something relegated to the history books and the dark corners of the internet. But the thing is, it's been a creeping threat since the end of WWII. And the way it's been fought is unlike any other ideological struggle we've come to know in the Marketplace of Ideas.


The aim here is to not rehash what you've already learned about Hitler and Nazism, but rather grant a deeper understanding how it functions as an ideology, how it spread and manifested over the years and how a dedicated few have managed to keep it at bay over the years.

Lots of good links.

[Neveragain]

Good reading.

http://digg.com/2017/what-is-antifa

Helpful Things To Read About Fascism, And The Fight Against It




Lots of good links.

What was your stand on bailing out the auto makers?

[Pin]

What was your stand on bailing out the auto makers?

My stand is whatever stand I need to take to get you to rant about some combination of pirates, rocks, communists, and corralling again; that shit made my day.

[Neveragain]

My stand is whatever stand I need to take to get you to rant about some combination of pirates, rocks, communists, and corralling again; that shit made my day.

Admittedly I do enjoy using colorful words in my writing, that way my readers remember what I say. I should note, I can't remember a fucking thing you have ever said.

It's good to know you're thinking of me.

[Back]

My stand is whatever stand I need to take to get you to rant about some combination of pirates, rocks, communists, and corralling again; that shit made my day.

I think the funniest thing I read was Methais saying he'd rather be a slave on a plantation than free in Africa.

[Neveragain]

I think the funniest thing I read was Methais saying he'd rather be a slave on a plantation than free in Africa.

I think it's funny that you refuse to answer the question.

[Kobold]

I think the funniest thing I read was Methais saying he'd rather be a slave on a plantation than free in Italy.

Fixed.

[Pin]

Admittedly I do enjoy using colorful words in my writing, that way my readers remember what I say. I should note, I can't remember a fucking thing you have ever said.

It's good to know you're thinking of me.

All I remember is pirates throwing rocks at you. You've said something else?

[Neveragain]

All I remember is pirates throwing rocks at you. You've said something else?


My stand is whatever stand I need to take to get you to rant about some combination of pirates, rocks, communists, and corralling again; that shit made my day.

Just because you fantasize about having my dick in your mouth doesn't mean it will ever happen. Primarily because I'm not a fag.

[Methais]

I think the funniest thing I read was Methais saying he'd rather be a slave on a plantation than free in Africa.

Tell me more about how you would survive in the jungles of Africa. Tell me more about how you'd rather live there also because it's such a nice place.

Hint: You wouldn't.

Also tell me more about how black people sold other black people into slavery in Africa while you talk about how white people, of which you are one, are so evil.

Back is all talk. If he were a man of action he'd set an example and kill himself just so there will be one less cracker in the world to oppress minorities.

Are you just a talker Back? Or are you a doer?

[Back]

Tell me more about how you would survive in the jungles of Africa. Tell me more about how you'd rather live there also because it's such a nice place.

Hint: You wouldn't.

Also tell me more about how black people sold other black people into slavery in Africa while you talk about how white people, of which you are one, are so evil.

Back is all talk. If he were a man of action he'd set an example and kill himself just so there will be one less cracker in the world to oppress minorities.

Are you just a talker Back? Or are you a doer?

I'm the guy who would live free in the jungle while you were whipped, given poor living conditions, having your family ripped apart, and bowing to the slave master's will.

You call me a talker? Dude, all you do is talk shit all day about people and GS non-stop. You have to be incredibly insecure about yourself to have to try and tear down so many people so often.

Believe in yourself. You're better than that. And you would do far better being free than a slave.

[Neveragain]

I'm the guy who would live free in the jungle while you were whipped, given poor living conditions, having your family ripped apart, and bowing to the slave master's will.

You call me a talker? Dude, all you do is talk shit all day about people and GS non-stop. You have to be incredibly insecure about yourself to have to try and tear down so many people so often.

Believe in yourself. You're better than that. And you would do far better being free than a slave.

Did you support bailing out the auto makers?

[Methais]

I'm the guy who would live free in the jungle while you were whipped, given poor living conditions, having your family ripped apart, and bowing to the slave master's will.

You call me a talker? Dude, all you do is talk shit all day about people and GS non-stop. You have to be incredibly insecure about yourself to have to try and tear down so many people so often.

Believe in yourself. You're better than that. And you would do far better being free than a slave.

Clearly Back is from the jungles and not one to be messed with.

I'm also sorry that you're offended over me calling out when stupid people say stupid things. I'm sure you and time4fun have cried over many a cheesecake and watched Steel Magnolias together at Latrin's parents house because of it.

[Pin]

Just because you fantasize about having my dick in your mouth doesn't mean it will ever happen. Primarily because I'm not a fag.

Wow, you've moved from pirates and rocks to your full on homoerotic fantasies. I can't say I saw this jump coming, but bravo for stepping out.

[Parkbandit]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHti9XctDms

[Neveragain]

https://assets.ricochet.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/Robert-Lee-and-Robert-E-Lee-300x200.jpg

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/-fX79J6nq_Q/maxresdefault.jpg

[Methais]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHti9XctDms

The slowdown audio at the end of this one makes it even better:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1pf421vseA

[Parkbandit]

Nutshots are hilarious.. unless they are you.

Then they suck.

[Fortybox]

Nutshots are hilarious.. unless they are you.

Then they suck.

Unless you lack balls. They should have sent Time4fun into the fray.

[drauz]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dF-KmVMIpJg

[Tgo01]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dF-KmVMIpJg

This is why the media is so useless these days. She's not merely asking questions, she's grilling them because they aren't giving the answers she wants to hear and is very clearly trying to steer them towards the "right" answers. It's kind of disgusting to be honest. You'd never see this shit on Fox News.

Also did that dumb cunt say there was violence on both sides in WWII and we were on the right side and try to compare that to what the fuck is happening now? So Antifa is the Allied armies during WWII? Holy fucking shit.

[Androidpk]

You'd never see this shit on Fox News.:lol2:

[Back]

White nationalist Cantwell appears in Albemarle court after turning himself in


http://www.dailyprogress.com/news/crime/white-nationalist-cantwell-appears-in-albemarle-court-after-turning-himself/article_b4c9efb8-88da-11e7-89e5-c7aa0113cef2.html


Christopher Cantwell, a white nationalist facing assault charges related to a torch-lit march at the University of Virginia, appeared in Albemarle County General District Court on Thursday morning.Cantwell, from Keene, New Hampshire, faces two charges of illegal use of tear gas, phosgene or other gases and one charge of malicious bodily injury by means of an caustic substance or agent, according to UVa police.

This is the guy in the Vice video and the YouTube vid.

[Methais]

http://i.imgur.com/DsqTBnk.png

Bachelor's of getting mad :lol:

[Gelston]

Is that time4fun on FB there?

[Methais]

Is that time4fun on FB there?

Not enough passive aggressive "honey" and "sweetie" to be her.

[Gelston]

Not enough passive aggressive "honey" and "sweetie" to be her.

I guess she also only has one degree in gender studies.

[Methais]

I guess she also only has one degree in gender studies.

And probably was at home for 9/11 instead of getting in a car.

[Gelston]

And probably was at home for 9/11 instead of getting in a car.

I was at home during 9/11 and then I also got in a car! I'm a hero.

[Kobold]

I was at home during 9/11 and then I also got in a car! I'm a hero.

I was in Tower 2 14th floor waiting on a interview for Roberts and Kravitz LLC. Noone believes me until I show them the pics in my wallet, instant panty melter , "OMG how did you get out?!.. well baby I.."

[drauz]

I was in Tower 2 14th floor waiting on a interview for Roberts and Kravitz LLC. Noone believes me until I show them the pics in my wallet, instant panty melter , "OMG how did you get out?!.. well baby I.."

Only the 14th floor? I was on the roof, bitch.

http://static.snopes.com/app/uploads/2013/09/the_tourist_guy1.jpg

[drauz]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPmHBDXkRfo

[Tenlaar]

How is it so amusing to a few of you to make the same stupid jokes over, and over, and over, and over, and over again? Every day it's "hurr durr time4whatever story reference" or "durr hurr that's racist/sexist/whateverist."

I don't even like Time4fun very much and I would gladly take her over three or four of you jerking each other off over how much better you think you are than her every day.

[Parkbandit]

How is it so amusing to a few of you to make the same stupid jokes over, and over, and over, and over, and over again? Every day it's "hurr durr time4whatever story reference" or "durr hurr that's racist/sexist/whateverist."

I don't even like Time4fun very much and I would gladly take her over three or four of you jerking each other off over how much better you think you are than her every day.

If only there was a way not to be forced to read posts here........

Seriously though, fuck off.

[Neveragain]

How is it so amusing to a few of you to make the same stupid jokes over, and over, and over, and over, and over again? Every day it's "hurr durr time4whatever story reference" or "durr hurr that's racist/sexist/whateverist."

I don't even like Time4fun very much and I would gladly take her over three or four of you jerking each other off over how much better you think you are than her every day.

http://cdn.overclock.net/f/fb/500x334px-LL-fb430c52_OhSweetIrony.jpeg

[Methais]

How is it so amusing to a few of you to make the same stupid jokes over, and over, and over, and over, and over again? Every day it's "hurr durr time4whatever story reference" or "durr hurr that's racist/sexist/whateverist."

I don't even like Time4fun very much and I would gladly take her over three or four of you jerking each other off over how much better you think you are than her every day.

This post is racist. Reported to @Whirlin enjoy your nothing!

[Methais]

https://scontent.fbtr1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/21106601_1643411015734393_2543178719480748520_n.jp g?oh=756409510eea1dc51b35d672a127412a&oe=5A57F571

http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/hlysht.gif

[Back]

How is it so amusing to a few of you to make the same stupid jokes over, and over, and over, and over, and over again? Every day it's "hurr durr time4whatever story reference" or "durr hurr that's racist/sexist/whateverist."

I don't even like Time4fun very much and I would gladly take her over three or four of you jerking each other off over how much better you think you are than her every day.

Because thats all Methais does. Talk shit non-stop. If it's not one person, it's another, and if it's not a person, it's GS. You'd think this is Housewives of GS or some shit.

[Methais]

Because thats all Methais does. Talk shit non-stop. If it's not one person, it's another, and if it's not a person, it's GS. You'd think this is Housewives of GS or some shit.

This is gold coming from you. :lol: Don't be jealous because time4fun put you in 2nd place on the PC retard scale. Look on the bright side though, with her apparently gone to the safe space forum now, you can have 1st place back.

Here you go little buddy, you deserve it!

http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/31/313259bc9a4cd8bc5ac560ba503e24a66ac8d663de5317356c aa6bfaac9c5299.jpg

PS: Nonstop doesn't require a hyphen. I hope you don't interpret this as shit talking.

[Tgo01]

How is it so amusing to a few of you to make the same stupid jokes over, and over, and over, and over, and over again? Every day it's "hurr durr time4whatever story reference" or "durr hurr that's racist/sexist/whateverist."

I don't even like Time4fun very much and I would gladly take her over three or four of you jerking each other off over how much better you think you are than her every day.

Awesome, I was wondering when the PC was going to get its very own Humor Police Officer.

[Gelston]

Oh look, the Mayor of Berkeley of all places wants to classify Antifa as a gang. Hey Back, what is your thoughts on this?

[Tgo01]

Oh look, the Mayor of Berkeley of all places wants to classify Antifa as a gang. Hey Back, what is your thoughts on this?

Antifa must have really fucked up to get Berkeley of all places pissed off at it.

[Gelston]

Antifa must have really fucked up to get Berkeley of all places pissed off at it.

Nancy Pelosi had bad things to say about them yesterday.

[Tgo01]

Nancy Pelosi had bad things to say about them yesterday.

Democrats are finally coming to their senses! Sort of. Let's see if the momentum can keep going.

I think one article I read put it best though; Democrats are getting pissed off at Antifa only because their actions are exonerating Trump's bad people on many sides comment.

[Gelston]

Democrats are finally coming to their senses! Sort of. Let's see if the momentum can keep going.

I think one article I read put it best though; Democrats are getting pissed off at Antifa only because their actions are exonerating Trump's bad people on many sides comment.

I still want to hear Back's take on it. He has a reasonable, intelligent response to most things.

[Wrathbringer]

I still want to hear Back's take on it. He has a reasonable, intelligent response to most things.

:lol:

[Methais]

Awesome, I was wondering when the PC was going to get its very own Humor Police Officer.

I want to laugh at this but I'm not sure if I'm allowed to.


:lol:

SOMEONE CALL A MODERATOR! @WHIRLIN PEOPLE ARE LAUGHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Parkbandit]

Oh look, the Mayor of Berkeley of all places wants to classify Antifa as a gang. Hey Back, what is your thoughts on this?

Antifa LITERALLY means ANTI-TERRORIST.

They can't be violent.

DUH.

[Methais]

Antifa LITERALLY means ANTI-TERRORIST.

They can't be violent.

DUH.

I thought it meant anti-fascist? Which means they can't be fascist!

[Fortybox]

I thought it meant anti-fascist? Which means they can't be fascist!

I swear it meant they are anti-first aid.

[Methais]

Meet The Contributing Vogue Fashion Writer Who Criticized Melania Trump For Wearing Heels (https://www.chicksontheright.com/2017/08/30/meet-contributing-vogue-fashion-writer-criticized-melania-trump-wearing-heels/)

http://i.imgur.com/5dGwmaO.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/6HdJdto.jpg

What does Latrin think of Lynn Yeager's fashion choices?

[Parkbandit]

Jesus.

How the fuck did she get that job?

[Tgo01]

Meet The Contributing Vogue Fashion Writer Who Criticized Melania Trump For Wearing Heels (https://www.chicksontheright.com/2017/08/30/meet-contributing-vogue-fashion-writer-criticized-melania-trump-wearing-heels/)

http://i.imgur.com/5dGwmaO.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/6HdJdto.jpg

What does Latrin think of Lynn Yeager's fashion choices?

Couple of questions. Is that a dude or a chick? No, I'm serious.

Second question; doesn't that haircut and lipstick make her/him look like Hitler? Maybe that's what he/she was going for.

[Fortybox]

Couple of questions. Is that a dude or a chick? No, I'm serious.

Second question; doesn't that haircut and lipstick make her/him look like Hitler? Maybe that's what he/she was going for.

WTF

[drauz]

http://i.imgur.com/HxdZvtI.jpg

[Neveragain]

Meet The Contributing Vogue Fashion Writer Who Criticized Melania Trump For Wearing Heels (https://www.chicksontheright.com/2017/08/30/meet-contributing-vogue-fashion-writer-criticized-melania-trump-wearing-heels/)

http://i.imgur.com/5dGwmaO.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/6HdJdto.jpg

What does Latrin think of Lynn Yeager's fashion choices?

Andy Warhol called, he wants his shtick back.

[Neveragain]

http://i.imgur.com/HxdZvtI.jpg

The virtue signaling coming out of Hollywood is amazing.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/01/08/23/2FEDDA0D00000578-3391103-image-a-2_1452297352689.jpg

Ron doing his part to end the dreaded climate change = insulting a woman with apposing political views.

[Ltlprprincess]

Jesus.

How the fuck did she get that job?

Have you ever seen a high fashion runway show? It's all sorts weird. At that level, it's "art", not "fashion".

[Neveragain]

Have you ever seen a high fashion runway show? It's all sorts weird. At that level, it's "art", not "fashion".

Art imitating life....in this case life is sniffing a Sharpie.

[RichardCranium]

The virtue signaling coming out of Hollywood is amazing.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/01/08/23/2FEDDA0D00000578-3391103-image-a-2_1452297352689.jpg

Ron doing his part to end the dreaded climate change = insulting a woman with apposing political views.

Ann Coulter is batshit insane.

[~Rocktar~]

The virtue signaling coming out of Hollywood is amazing.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/01/08/23/2FEDDA0D00000578-3391103-image-a-2_1452297352689.jpg

Ron doing his part to end the dreaded climate change = insulting a woman with apposing political views.

It's opposing political views.

[Kobold]

The virtue signaling coming out of Hollywood is amazing.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/01/08/23/2FEDDA0D00000578-3391103-image-a-2_1452297352689.jpg

Ron doing his part to end the dreaded climate change = insulting a woman with apposing political views.

That's the home of Ronald Perleman, a multi-billionaire who made his fortune on Wall Street through leveraged buyouts.
Hollywood A-list actors can get very rich but not quite Wall Street rich.