Wuhan Virus

[Gelston]

I guess it's not just Democrats who want this to linger on forever, the governor of Texas has extended the shut down until May 15th.

Where did you read this?

[Tgo01]

Where did you read this?

After Gov. Greg Abbott extended the state emergency order through mid-May, and announced additional resources to slow the spread of the coronavirus and help some small businesses, several leaders in Texas say he isn’t leading and is killing the tenth-largest economy in the world. (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/politics/legislators-offer-recommendations-to-get-texas-back-to-work-others-criticize-abbotts-coronavirus-response)

Although I have read in other news stories that he is planning to loosen up restrictions next week so I guess he's not calling for a complete lockdown through mid May. But those restrictions he is loosening were just opening up parks as long as people stay 6 feet apart and allowing stores to do curb some pick so I don't know how much that is going to help things.

[Tgo01]

De Blasio sets up Stasi hotline.



https://twitter.com/NYCMayor/status/1251496378372632577

I couldn't believe when I read that. Didn't take long for de Blasio to go from "There is nothing to worry about! Go about your day like you would normally do!" to "Okay I'm deputizing every citizen of NY into my own brown shirt army." Like it literally took about a month.

[Solkern]

After Gov. Greg Abbott extended the state emergency order through mid-May, and announced additional resources to slow the spread of the coronavirus and help some small businesses, several leaders in Texas say he isn’t leading and is killing the tenth-largest economy in the world. (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/politics/legislators-offer-recommendations-to-get-texas-back-to-work-others-criticize-abbotts-coronavirus-response)

Although I have read in other news stories that he is planning to loosen up restrictions next week so I guess he's not calling for a complete lockdown through mid May. But those restrictions he is loosening were just opening up parks as long as people stay 6 feet apart and allowing stores to do curb some pick so I don't know how much that is going to help things.


To be fair, yes he has extended the lockdown, maybe for people to be prepared for the worst. I personally think it’s better, than just waiting for the deadline to approach and keep extending it over and over again. He can also end the lockdown, loosen it up or shorten it, if the situation improves.

[Gelston]

After Gov. Greg Abbott extended the state emergency order through mid-May, and announced additional resources to slow the spread of the coronavirus and help some small businesses, several leaders in Texas say he isn’t leading and is killing the tenth-largest economy in the world. (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/politics/legislators-offer-recommendations-to-get-texas-back-to-work-others-criticize-abbotts-coronavirus-response)

Although I have read in other news stories that he is planning to loosen up restrictions next week so I guess he's not calling for a complete lockdown through mid May. But those restrictions he is loosening were just opening up parks as long as people stay 6 feet apart and allowing stores to do curb some pick so I don't know how much that is going to help things.

That article disagrees with everything I've read, even more recent articles, anywhere else. He is set to begin lifting restrictions on April 27th.

[Stolis]

De Blasio sets up Stasi hotline.



https://twitter.com/NYCMayor/status/1251496378372632577

So what you're saying is, take pictures of really good poops you've taken and submit it?

[Tgo01]

That article disagrees with everything I've read, even more recent articles, anywhere else. He is set to begin lifting restrictions on April 27th.

It is a day old and shit is moving fast so he might have already changed his tune.

Even the governor of Michigan went from "I'm gonna keep this lockdown going even longer now since you all protested me!!" to "Okay maybe May 1st is fine after all..." in 24 hours.

[Risen]

What exactly do you want me to pick a number for?

Define it however you want. Total number of deaths in X period. Infection rate of X and mortality of Y. No need to panic until some number of thousands / millions die.

In order to declare that a herring is red, one must know what red is. Here are some categories that I've been considering, if they help. But I might not have everything. Feel free to add / define.

Need a test for infection - yes / no
Need a treatment - yes / no
Need a test for recovery / antibodies - yes / no
Need a vaccine - yes / no
Need to know the at-risk population - yes / no
Need to know what the infection rate and mortality rate is - Time / rate and percent (confirmed deaths / resolved - confirmed deaths)
Need a strong response (integrated at state levels preferred) for prioritization

For me personally, anything that threatens to reach or exceed one-tenth of one percent of the population or 1000 deaths / million residents or 330,000 total deaths during an outbreak probably deserves some pretty drastic measures. Even then, I believe there are measures between 'wash / wear' and 'lock down' that we need to explore and put into place.

That's what I want your number for, and everyone else who just wants to wave their hands and decry the good / bad results of what leadership and government has tried. There is no recommendation without knowing what threshold triggers it. Monday morning quarterbacking can be fun and personally rewarding. Who doesn't like a good "See, I told you!" But having an idea of what to do next time is much more soothing and helpful.

[Gelston]

It is a day old and shit is moving fast so he might have already changed his tune.

Even the governor of Michigan went from "I'm gonna keep this lockdown going even longer now since you all protested me!!" to "Okay maybe May 1st is fine after all..." in 24 hours.

The lifting next week thing has been around for a while. People are pissed he is going too slow, even though he is still set to open it up on the 27th.

[Neveragain]

So what you're saying is, take pictures of really good poops you've taken and submit it?

Reading the responses to the tweet suggests they're going to be receiving a good number of dick pics.

[Solkern]

Reading the responses to the tweet suggests they're going to be receiving a good number of dick pics.

Those responses are epic.

[Tgo01]

Define it however you want. Total number of deaths in X period. Infection rate of X and mortality of Y. No need to panic until some number of thousands / millions die.

In order to declare that a herring is red, one must know what red is. Here are some categories that I've been considering, if they help. But I might not have everything. Feel free to add / define.

Need a test for infection - yes / no
Need a treatment - yes / no
Need a test for recovery / antibodies - yes / no
Need a vaccine - yes / no
Need to know the at-risk population - yes / no
Need to know what the infection rate and mortality rate is - Time / rate and percent (confirmed deaths / resolved - confirmed deaths)
Need a strong response (integrated at state levels preferred) for prioritization

For me personally, anything that threatens to reach or exceed one-tenth of one percent of the population or 1000 deaths / million residents or 330,000 total deaths during an outbreak probably deserves some pretty drastic measures. Even then, I believe there are measures between 'wash / wear' and 'lock down' that we need to explore and put into place.

That's what I want your number for, and everyone else who just wants to wave their hands and decry the good / bad results of what leadership and government has tried. There is no recommendation without knowing what threshold triggers it. Monday morning quarterbacking can be fun and personally rewarding. Who doesn't like a good "See, I told you!" But having an idea of what to do next time is much more soothing and helpful.

What exactly are you referring to though? I'm not suggesting come May 1st we just pretend nothing ever happened and go back to normal, I'm still all for social distancing when possible, washing hands, wearing masks, no visitors to hospitals/nursing homes, etc etc. I just don't think the current state of lockdowns across the country is sustainable and will end up doing more harm than good.

[Risen]

What exactly are you referring to though? I'm not suggesting come May 1st we just pretend nothing ever happened and go back to normal, I'm still all for social distancing when possible, washing hands, wearing masks, no visitors to hospitals/nursing homes, etc etc. I just don't think the current state of lockdowns across the country is sustainable and will end up doing more harm than good.

I know. And I am trying to amplify, not negate. I think we can both agree that we went too far. This time. I will say it again, this time we went too far. Even my 4.5 to 6% death / confirmed cases placement was way too low to consider as a viable trigger-point, given where it took us as a nation. While accurate, I think I'm almost with FB and PB in that it isn't a measure worth assigning action to - not that we had an action at the time to assign to it. To make things worse, we are dicking around as a nation because our plan to back out of what we have done is as well-thought as our plan that got us to this point.

I want to put the things we could have done between keeping our distance (and all the other things) and lock down out there to be explored, and put in order of least harmful to most harmful. Every activity -- start social distancing, wear masks, no visitors, contact tracing, limitations on large gatherings, planning for shortages of consumables, shuttering food / service industries, shuttering schools / businesses, shuttering cities, counties and states, isolating the nation morally and economically; each of these should be part of a plan with an idea that if something gets bad enough we need to take the next step. Not that we need to go from social distancing and good hygiene all the way to totally locked in. And the plan needs to have back-out measures for each of those steps.

My question to you and everyone else takes all that into consideration with the simple "pick a number". Mine is 330,000 during the outbreak and even then, I am not sure I would suggest shuttering cities, counties, states and the country. The reality of this cycle's impact might suggest even that number is too low for the far right end of that spectrum. That is my threshold, and probably carries me to shuttering businesses / schools without testing and treatment being available. So, pick a number.

[Risen]

And this is just wrong. We simply cannot let this happen!

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-ethanol-beer/beer-may-lose-its-fizz-as-co2-supplies-go-flat-during-pandemic-idUSKBN2200G3

[Fortybox]

I agree with you completely. But claiming a single statistic as your entire argument, without applying any other statistical information, or variables is retarded.
If you actually noticed every case I made about social distancing, universal healthcare, and Portugal were sarcasm. As you can’t prove any of it as a factor. Just as you can’t prove Sweden’s still open economy is the reason why they have low deaths.

That’s the point I’m trying to hammer home to Fortybox.

It’s common sense. This virus isn’t bad. Otherwise Sweden would have much higher death.

But it doesn’t does it? If you want to clutch your pearls over 1,400 deaths in a sea of 10MM go for it.

[Fortybox]

I guess it's not just Democrats who want this to linger on forever, the governor of Texas has extended the shut down until May 15th.

Not as insane as de Blasio's suggestion of August but still. The crazy part is I bet Republicans are willing to vote these governors out of office but Democrats will still solidly vote blue no matter who and no matter how much it fucks up their lives.

Politically they have to. Most people with common sense see this for what it is.

[~Rocktar~]

Define it however you want. Total number of deaths in X period. Infection rate of X and mortality of Y. No need to panic until some number of thousands / millions die.

In order to declare that a herring is red, one must know what red is. Here are some categories that I've been considering, if they help. But I might not have everything. Feel free to add / define.

Need a test for infection - yes / no
Need a treatment - yes / no
Need a test for recovery / antibodies - yes / no
Need a vaccine - yes / no
Need to know the at-risk population - yes / no
Need to know what the infection rate and mortality rate is - Time / rate and percent (confirmed deaths / resolved - confirmed deaths)
Need a strong response (integrated at state levels preferred) for prioritization

For me personally, anything that threatens to reach or exceed one-tenth of one percent of the population or 1000 deaths / million residents or 330,000 total deaths during an outbreak probably deserves some pretty drastic measures. Even then, I believe there are measures between 'wash / wear' and 'lock down' that we need to explore and put into place.

That's what I want your number for, and everyone else who just wants to wave their hands and decry the good / bad results of what leadership and government has tried. There is no recommendation without knowing what threshold triggers it. Monday morning quarterbacking can be fun and personally rewarding. Who doesn't like a good "See, I told you!" But having an idea of what to do next time is much more soothing and helpful.

So that's a nice list. So with your numbers of 330000 deaths to be an epidemic, what do you think we should do about medical mistakes/malpractice that kills 400K or more per year in the US?

What about abortion that kills twice that per year based on the 2016 numbers?

[~Rocktar~]

We need some common sense Governor control.

#Returnourrights

[Risen]

So that's a nice list. So with your numbers of 330000 deaths to be an epidemic, what do you think we should do about medical mistakes/malpractice that kills 400K or more per year in the US?

What about abortion that kills twice that per year based on the 2016 numbers?

I didn't say anything about epidemic, pandemic, or any political agenda that you may want to try to conflate this to, since that is not the point. Your logic in tying abortions to lock-downs and global economic panic is inadequate. You could just, you know, say you do not want to take a position. Trust me, I will not think any less of you when you do.

Or, you could give me your number.

[Bhaalizmo]

https://i.imgur.com/sa7OeFQ.png

Never forget

[Tgo01]

Holy shit, Trump is pissed today at the press briefing. He has had enough of the media's shit.

[Risen]

I'm not sure how much of the political posturing I can take, personally. When did the media tone start? I joined live just in time for him to assure every single medical professional who "doesn't know how to operate a machine" will vote against him.

[Tgo01]

I'm not sure how much of the political posturing I can take, personally. When did the media tone start? I joined live just in time for him to assure every single medical professional who "doesn't know how to operate a machine" will vote against him.

The media jabs were in the first couple of minutes, he came out swinging. But he seems pissed overall about everything. The past couple of weeks he's been using softer language, like saying "the cupboards were bare" or "we inherited a broken system" in regards to testing, today he said he inherited "broken junk."

I know I know, "he should act more presidential." Naww.

[Tgo01]

The media jabs were in the first couple of minutes, he came out swinging. But he seems pissed overall about everything. The past couple of weeks he's been using softer language, like saying "the cupboards were bare" or "we inherited a broken system" in regards to testing, today he said he inherited "broken junk."

I know I know, "he should act more presidential." Naww.

And really can you blame him for being pissed? He's explaining perfectly why he's pissed.

For weeks it was "we need ventilators!", "how many people are you going to let die because you don't want to make more ventilators?", "how sick does someone need to be before they get a federal ventilator?!?!", "is everyone who needs a ventilator going to get a ventilator?!"

Blah blah fucking blah. Every single fucking day, for weeks.

Now that the federal government has ensured that every patient who needed a ventilator has gotten a ventilator, and is still pumping out thousands more to add to the stockpile, I haven't heard a single media person or Democrat say "Wow good job on those ventilators! Looks like were wrong to fearmonger!"

Same thing with hospital beds.

"The projections are saying we are going to be short 1 gajillion hospital beds! What are you doing about it?! How many people are you going to let die?!?"

Now that the projections were wayyyyyyyyyyyy overblown not a single media personality or Democrat is saying "Gosh, good job, Trump! Looks like we were wrong to fearmonger yet again!"

[~Rocktar~]

I didn't say anything about epidemic, pandemic, or any political agenda that you may want to try to conflate this to, since that is not the point. Your logic in tying abortions to lock-downs and global economic panic is inadequate. You could just, you know, say you do not want to take a position. Trust me, I will not think any less of you when you do.

Or, you could give me your number.

In other words, you are ok with people dying as long as it suits your agenda or isn't possibly infectious to you. Got it.

[Risen]

In other words, you are ok with people dying as long as it suits your agenda or isn't possibly infectious to you. Got it.

Now I can understand why people like to call people idiots on these forums. You, clearly, are not interested in my position beyond the shit you think you can stir up with it. Got it.

[Risen]

I know I know, "he should act more presidential." Naww.

Yeah. Definitely. I think I said in February or March that what he did from that point on mattered. Today mattered.

[Tgo01]

The total death count from the IHME model was revised downward yet again. It was 120k-180k a few weeks ago, then a week later dropped to 68k, now the estimate is 60k.

Going to be interesting to see if this latest estimate holds true with the states starting to open shit up again.

[Tgo01]

Part of the money the US is no longer sending to WHO is going to go to Samaritan’s Purse.

Since Samaritan's Purse is an evangelical Christian charity that helps people in need expect "news" articles over the next several days saying what a racist and homophobic organization it is.

[Fortybox]

The total death count from the IHME model was revised downward yet again. It was 120k-180k a few weeks ago, then a week later dropped to 68k, now the estimate is 60k.

Going to be interesting to see if this latest estimate holds true with the states starting to open shit up again.

It hasn't been right at any time

[Tgo01]

It hasn't been right at any time

True. I mean if it doesn't go above the number. If it stays at 60k or even manages to stay lower even after states open it up then it's going to really show just how much the US got suckered into closing down our economy by listening to these models.

[Fortybox]

True. I mean if it doesn't go above the number. If it stays at 60k or even manages to stay lower even after states open it up then it's going to really show just how much the US got suckered into closing down our economy by listening to these models.

Politically, the country had to do it. Trump would have been castigated if he didn't.

So I hope he uses this to show how great of a job he did because we aren't going to get anywhere near 60k.

[Tgo01]

Politically, the country had to do it. Trump would have been castigated if he didn't.

So I hope he uses this to show how great of a job he did because we aren't going to get anywhere near 60k.

Oh he is. He keeps pushing the idea that the experts originally said 2.2 million people were going to die if he did nothing, now the figure shows 60k. The Democrats, the ones who tell us we always have to listen to the experts, should be thanking Trump for saving over 2,140,000 lives because that's what the experts predicted. But they won't of course, they will just change the subject sort of like this reporter at the press briefing whining "Why aren't you forcing more companies to produce more PPE?!?!?!??!" after weeks and weeks of them bitching about ventilators, now here we are bitching about something else entirely.

[Fortybox]

Oh he is. He keeps pushing the idea that the experts originally said 2.2 million people were going to die if he did nothing, now the figure shows 60k. The Democrats, the ones who tell us we always have to listen to the experts, should be thanking Trump for saving over 2,140,000 lives because that's what the experts predicted. But they won't of course, they will just change the subject sort of like this reporter at the press briefing whining "Why aren't you forcing more companies to produce more PPE?!?!?!??!" after weeks and weeks of them bitching about ventilators, now here we are bitching about something else entirely.

TDS is the real pandemic

[Neveragain]

True. I mean if it doesn't go above the number. If it stays at 60k or even manages to stay lower even after states open it up then it's going to really show just how much the US got suckered into closing down our economy by listening to these models.

But the experts and the models said the world is going to catch on fire in 8 years!

https://humanpsychology.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Fear.jpeg

[Risen]

They changed the tagline from "Through May" to "until infections minimized and containment implemented".

That last part has me confused. If we're not contained now, what the hell does that even mean.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

It hasn't been right at any time

I do statistical forecasting all the time. Literally every model is wrong at the moment of inception. If it's coincidentally accurate, no one will credit the model as being correct, just lucky. Science can reduce the error, but it will never be 100% accurate.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

In other words, you are ok with people dying as long as it suits your agenda or isn't possibly infectious to you. Got it.

I'm pretty good with this statement, myself.

[Fortybox]

I do statistical forecasting all the time. Literally every model is wrong at the moment of inception. If it's coincidentally accurate, no one will credit the model as being correct, just lucky. Science can reduce the error, but it will never be 100% accurate.

So do I. These models aren't even remotely correct.

[Keller]

Fired 24 pizzas tonight. 3 for our family. 21 for our neighbors. We set up a system where we left them about 30 feet from the wood-fired oven on on plates. Plates will be delivered back to our front porch tomorrow. Pretty popular activity and brought a lot of joy to 'hood. Feed me your hatred, Tgo.

[Alfster]

They changed the tagline from "Through May" to "until infections minimized and containment implemented".

That last part has me confused. If we're not contained now, what the hell does that even mean.

I'm assuming they mean as we move back out into the world another wave is expected.

[ClydeR]

Speaker 15: (01:23:36)
The investigation into whether the virus escaped from this lab in Wuhan, how active is that, and when do you expect-

Donald Trump: (01:23:42)
Well, we’re looking at it. A lot of people are looking at it. It seems to make sense. They talk about a certain kind of bat, but that bat wasn’t in that area, if you can believe this. That’s what they’re down to now is bats. But that bat is not in that area. That bat wasn’t sold at that wet zone. It wasn’t sold there. That bat is 40 miles away, so a lot of strange things are happening, but there is a lot of investigation going on, and we’re going to find out. All I can say is wherever it came from… It came from China. In whatever form, 184 countries now are suffering because of it, and it’s too bad, isn’t it? And it could have been solved very easily when it was just starting.

Donald Trump: (01:24:26)
It could have been solved really very easily. Yeah, please, in the back.

More... (https://www.rev.com/blog/transcripts/donald-trump-coronavirus-press-conference-transcript-april-17)





Here's what it's coming to..


https://i.imgur.com/T4s9VX5.png
https://twitter.com/DilleyShow/status/1251326228054720512

[~Rocktar~]

I do statistical forecasting all the time. Literally every model is wrong at the moment of inception. If it's coincidentally accurate, no one will credit the model as being correct, just lucky. Science can reduce the error, but it will never be 100% accurate.

I 100% agree with your statement. I do, however think that the slanted "science" and hidden agenda experts that have sold us down the road both knew better, had better predictions and have willfully and intentionally covered it up for various nefarious reasons. And in the end, I hope we can recover, put some people in prison and clean out more of the swamp with a landslide victory in November. Maybe if we win all 3 again with a good margin, those who get elected will actually lead and get things done so we don't have a repeat of the McCain BS and maybe we can get rid of Romney too.

What is more likely is that we will have a victory, the slime will slither back under rocks and if things keep going the way they are being pushed, we may have that war with China or some form of Boogaloo 2.0. I pray we make it through.

Just some perspective on how bad the modeling has been:

https://www.zerohedge.com/s3/files/inline-images/2020-04-10_8-39-33.jpg?itok=ru-YXN-P

https://www.zerohedge.com/health/look-how-ridiculously-wrong-all-covid-19-models-were

[Tgo01]

Feed me your hatred, Tgo.

Why you defying the orders of your fuhrer? Don't you care about your children and great Aunt Sally?

[Candor]

Here's what it's coming to..


https://i.imgur.com/T4s9VX5.png
https://twitter.com/DilleyShow/status/1251326228054720512

Except that if COV-19 was a modified virus, scientists could detect it. There have been no such indications. Any rumor that COV-19 was a genetically altered virus wouldn't get very far.

As to whether China was studying the virus in their facility and the virus somehow got out, that needs to be investigated. Of course, that doesn't mean China would cooperate.

[~Rocktar~]

Then there is this suggesting that the virus is farther along that people thought AND that a lot more people have it with little or no symptoms. Either way, likely shits on the mortality rates no matter how you slice it. #Returnourrights #fakepandemic


Nearly a third of 200 blood samples taken in Chelsea show exposure to coronavirus
Mass. General researcher says the results point to a ‘raging epidemic,’ but may also indicate the city is further along the disease curve than some other municipalities

Nearly one third of 200 Chelsea residents who gave a drop of blood to researchers on the street this week tested positive for antibodies linked to COVID-19, a startling indication of how widespread infections have been in the densely populated city.

Sixty-four residents who had a finger pricked in Bellingham Square on Tuesday and Wednesday had antibodies that the immune system makes to fight off the coronavirus, according to Massachusetts General Hospital physicians who ran the pilot study.

The 200 participants generally appeared healthy, but about half told the doctors they had had at least one symptom of COVID-19 in the past four weeks.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/04/17/business/nearly-third-200-blood-samples-taken-chelsea-show-exposure-coronavirus/?outputType=amp

[Keller]

Why you defying the orders of your fuhrer? Don't you care about your children and great Aunt Sally?

Governor Whitmer has done an incredible job leading Michigan through this pandemic. I wouldn't, and haven't, violated her executive orders. No gatherings. Practicing good social distancing. We're doing amazing here in west Michigan.

[~Rocktar~]

Governor Whitmer has done an incredible job leading Michigan through this pandemic. I wouldn't, and haven't, violated her executive orders. No gatherings. Practicing good social distancing. We're doing amazing here in west Michigan.

Yeah, so good that people are close to lynching her for her pedantic, random, haphazard and childishly overly restrictive policies.

[Stolis]

Except that if COV-19 was a modified virus, scientists could detect it. There have been no such indications. Any rumor that COV-19 was a genetically altered virus wouldn't get very far.

As to whether China was studying the virus in their facility and the virus somehow got out, that needs to be investigated. Of course, that doesn't mean China would cooperate.

The altered virus blah blah, I don't personally put much into that one. Could it have? Sure. But that feels tin foil hat like.

Studying it, and some dipshit had an accident of sorts and they didn't clean their stuff up as well as they should have? Probably what likely happened. If it somehow came out though that the person had food in the lab near where they were working, oh man.. Kill them. Kill them all.

[Wrathbringer]

The wannabe dictator governor of Michigan threatened to extend the lock down of her state because people protested the lock down.

It's a toss up as to who is the bigger evil bitch, her or Pelosi.

Yeah, it's like some of these governors are unfamiliar with the constitution/bill of rights.

[Fortybox]

Yeah, it's like some of these governors are unfamiliar with the constitution/bill of rights.

I think it's great. More chance for Trump to win the state again later this year when people realize the democratic party for what it really is.

[Tgo01]

Governor Whitmer has done an incredible job leading Michigan through this pandemic. I wouldn't, and haven't, violated her executive orders. No gatherings. Practicing good social distancing. We're doing amazing here in west Michigan.

Maybe you missed the part about ALL TRAVEL IS RESTRICTED other than the exceptions she laid out, and I don't recall an exception of "20 families going to a neighbor's house to grab pizza." But maybe you can point out that exception for me in the executive order.

Also your governor has done an incredible job? Is that why Michigan has the 5th most number of deaths per capita and 7th most number of cases per capita? And that's with perhaps the most restrictive orders in the entire US, sure sounds like a complete failure to me.

Meanwhile hospitals all over your state are closing down, including their emergency rooms, because they can't make any money because nearly ALL procedures have been closed down in your Nazi-like state. Oh except abortions of course! Because getting a chest x-ray to scan for cancer is "elective" but aborting that baby is "essential." That alone proves these lockdowns are political in nature, you would admit to that if you weren't such a raging "independent."

[~Rocktar~]

While all of her points are important, the first story is particularly cogent considering this thread.


https://youtu.be/ebXEjntGoYQ

[Tgo01]

Looks like South Carolina is leading the charge in reopening up our country. Next week they plan to reopen their beaches and some retail stores.

It's about fucking time. The woman from Michigan could learn a thing or two from other governors.

While South Carolina and Florida get ready to open their beaches there are cities in California that are literally filling in their skate parks with sand to ensure no one can use it. Absolute tyranny in action, Keller and the woman from Michigan must be so proud.

[~Rocktar~]

And here is Tucker Carlson doing real journalism to kick the death rate numbers in the teeth with facts.


https://youtu.be/6NjCitwKJSQ

[Solkern]

Yeah, it's like some of these governors are unfamiliar with the constitution/bill of rights.

I'm all for rule by the constitution and the rule of law. Let's not forget other parts of the constitution...

"The Federal government derives its authority for isolation and quarantine from the Commerce Clause of the U.S. Constitution. Under section 361 of the Public Health Service Act (42 U.S. Code § 264),

the U.S. Secretary of Health and Human Services are

AUTHORIZED to take measures to prevent the entry and spread of communicable diseases from foreign countries into the United States and between states."

States have police power functions to protect the health, safety, and welfare of persons within their borders. To control the spread of disease within their borders, states have laws to enforce the use of isolation and quarantine.

These laws can vary from state to state and can be specific or broad. In some states, local health authorities implement state law. In most states, breaking a quarantine order is a criminal misdemeanor.

Tribes also have police power authority to take actions that promote the health, safety, and welfare of their own tribal members. Tribal health authorities may enforce their own isolation and quarantine laws within tribal lands, if such laws exist.


So while our liberties may be minimized for the time being. We are not in any actuality living a under totalitarian regime or communist China.

JFK said ...But what can I do for my country.

[time4fun]

And here is Tucker Carlson doing real journalism to kick the death rate numbers in the teeth with facts.


https://youtu.be/6NjCitwKJSQ

Tucker Carlson ....real journalism.....

Comedy gold

[Tgo01]

Tucker Carlson ....real journalism.....

Comedy gold

True, I hear he doesn't even have a PhD in journalism.

[Tgo01]

AUTHORIZED to take measures to prevent the entry and spread of communicable diseases from foreign countries into the United States and between states."

That's not quite the same as "We are going to force businesses to close, force people to stay in their homes, close down public beaches and other places."

I'm all for social distancing when possible, masks, blah blah blah the shit I've said a million times already, but literally forcing businesses to close down for 6+ weeks is just crazy and not at all what America is all about.

NY police literally raided a barber shop today and arrested everyone inside. The crime? People were congregating! The horror!

[Fortybox]

Tucker Carlson ....real journalism.....

Comedy gold

FNC was the most-watched network among all of basic cable for the 15th straight quarter, averaging 1.9 million total day viewers.

Fox News averaged 3.4 million total primetime viewers, compared to 1.9 million for MSNBC and only 1.4 million for CNN.

FNC grew 42 percent in total day and 39 percent in primetime compared to the first quarter of last year, the most year-to-year growth any cable news network.

FNC has now had 73 consecutive quarters as the top-rated cable news network and continues to deliver a double-digit percent advantage over both MSNBC and CNN.

Fox News had 13 of the 15 most-watched shows on cable news, including the top five.

“Hannity” averaged 4.2 million viewers and finished the quarter as the most-watched cable news program, followed by “Tucker Carlson Tonight,” which averaged 4 million viewers.

“The Five, “The Ingraham Angle” and “Special Report with Bret Baier” rounded out the top five, with MSNBC’s “The Rachel Maddow Show” finishing sixth.

The most-watched show on CNN was “The Lead with Jake Tapper,” which finished No. 22 overall behind 14 Fox News and seven MSNBC programs.

“Outnumbered Overtime” with Harris Faulkner has been an industry leader in providing coronavirus information and averaged nearly 2 million viewers for the quarter, topping ABC’s “GMA3” in total viewers a record 25 times since the third quarter of 2019. It was the highest-rated quarter in total viewers in the history of “Outnumbered Overtime.”

“The Daily Briefing with Dana Perino” and “Your World with Neil Cavuto” also had their best quarters ever, and “Bill Hemmer Reports” wrapped up its first-quarter ever, averaging 2.2 million viewers.

“FOX & Friends” averaged 1.8 million viewers, topping CNN’s “New Day” and MSNBC’s “Morning Joe” combined.

Fox News averaged 2.1 million viewers during the month of March as the coronavirus pandemic dominated the news cycle, while MSNBC averaged 1.3 million and CNN averaged 1.2 million. It was the 219th consecutive month that Fox News finished No. 1 among total day cable news viewers.

Fox Business Network also had its highest-rated quarter in history in both total day and business day viewers.

FNC finished March as the highest-rated network in all of cable for the 45th straight month among total viewers – and the network’s digital platforms excelled, too.

Fox News Digital’s coronavirus coverage resulted in all-time highs in unique devices and page views, according to Adobe Analytics. Fox News.com finished the month with record engagement after featuring a variety of coronavirus-related content, including daily live Q&A blogs with leading medical experts and its “FOX News Today: The Coronavirus Crisis” newsletter.


Go back to your hole COVID-Time4fun and social distance yourself.

[Solkern]

That's not quite the same as "We are going to force businesses to close, force people to stay in their homes, close down public beaches and other places."

I'm all for social distancing when possible, masks, blah blah blah the shit I've said a million times already, but literally forcing businesses to close down for 6+ weeks is just crazy and not at all what America is all about.

NY police literally raided a barber shop today and arrested everyone inside. The crime? People were congregating! The horror!

I think a big issue is, the law isn’t real clear about the extent of the authority that they have. I think it’s left up to the governor and gives them a lot of leeway in their decision-making. Which can be bad or good.
Such as closing businesses to stop the spread of the virus, by stopping the possibility of mass gatherings.
So, by law they are allowed to do it, as it’s not clear in their limits.

[Neveragain]

Looks like South Carolina is leading the charge in reopening up our country. Next week they plan to reopen their beaches and some retail stores.

It's about fucking time. The woman from Michigan could learn a thing or two from other governors.

While South Carolina and Florida get ready to open their beaches there are cities in California that are literally filling in their skate parks with sand to ensure no one can use it. Absolute tyranny in action, Keller and the woman from Michigan must be so proud.

I saw the video of the skate park thing, it's a really weird way of handling things.

One of the videos, the park is filled with sand all the while there's homeless people still sleeping on the beach. Totally fucked up priority level.

The way we handle the homeless in this country is egregious. Not only for the homeless people but from a public health/safety aspect as well.

[Neveragain]

Tucker Carlson ....real journalism.....

Comedy gold

Understandably, you've always been a denier of truth and science.

[Seran]

I'm all for rule by the constitution and the rule of law. Let's not forget other parts of the constitution...

"The Federal government derives its authority for isolation and quarantine from the Commerce Clause of the U.S. Constitution. Under section 361 of the Public Health Service Act (42 U.S. Code § 264),

the U.S. Secretary of Health and Human Services are

AUTHORIZED to take measures to prevent the entry and spread of communicable diseases from foreign countries into the United States and between states."

States have police power functions to protect the health, safety, and welfare of persons within their borders. To control the spread of disease within their borders, states have laws to enforce the use of isolation and quarantine.

These laws can vary from state to state and can be specific or broad. In some states, local health authorities implement state law. In most states, breaking a quarantine order is a criminal misdemeanor.

Tribes also have police power authority to take actions that promote the health, safety, and welfare of their own tribal members. Tribal health authorities may enforce their own isolation and quarantine laws within tribal lands, if such laws exist.


So while our liberties may be minimized for the time being. We are not in any actuality living a under totalitarian regime or communist China.

JFK said ...But what can I do for my country.

I find it particularly egregious that while state governor's are trying to control the spread of the coronavirus by lawful means within their states that the President of the United States is encouraging 'peaceful' rebellion and anarchy. Being the highest executive in the land carries responsibilities, one completely nullified when you encourage citizens to break the law.

[Tgo01]

I find it particularly egregious that while state governor's are trying to control the spread of the coronavirus by lawful means within their states that the President of the United States is encouraging 'peaceful' rebellion and anarchy. Being the highest executive in the land carries responsibilities, one completely nullified when you encourage citizens to break the law.

Look at this piece of shit right here.

Antifa rioting in the streets?
Seran is silent.

BLM protesters shutting down roads and traffic?
Seran is silent.

People descend onto the streets to protest Trump and cause property damage and harass people on the streets?
Seran is silent.

People are sick and tired of being told they can't leave their homes while they lose their jobs and businesses so they are peacefully protesting?
Seran:
https://cnet1.cbsistatic.com/img/P8pcxo72PFNMRjwdtg1qSkHCYns=/940x0/2017/07/23/c679f6b9-7e38-4257-8abe-01b6e0e6498c/thor24.jpg

[Parkbandit]

I think it's great. More chance for Trump to win the state again later this year when people realize the democratic party for what it really is.

Will they though? Most democrats are too stupid to realize they've been played and will listen to their marching orders from the media and somehow blame Trump for whatever ails them.

[Tgo01]

Will they though? Most democrats are too stupid to realize they've been played and will listen to their marching orders from the media and somehow blame Trump for whatever ails them.

Just look at Keller for example. Michigan is one of the hardest hit states in the entire country yet he praises his governor for doing such a great job because she's a Democrat and somehow finds a way to pin everything on Trump.

Same goes for NY state and the morons defending Cuomo.

[Seran]

Will they though? Most democrats are too stupid to realize they've been played and will listen to their marching orders from the media and somehow blame Trump for whatever ails them.

The exact opposite will happen actually. Democrats will win the Presidency this year with a landslide when they see the only true governing is done by the states, rather than the child in the Whitehouse.

[Tgo01]

Democrats and media: We need more ventilators!!! People are going to die without more ventilators and it will be all Trump's fault!!!!
Trump: Here are all of the ventilators you need.

Democrats and media: Now we need more hospital beds! Our hospitals are going to be overrun and people are going to die in the streets and it will be all your fault!!!
Trump: No problem, here are more than enough hospital beds that you need.

Democrats and media: Now we need more testing!!! Without more testing people are going to get sick and die and it will be all your fault!
Trump: We are testing over 125k people a day, how much more testing do you need?
Democrats and media: MORE!!!!!!!!!
Trump: Maybe you guys should take some initiative on your own and ramp up your state's testing yourselves?
Democrats and media: No!!! That's the federal government's job!!!
Trump: Well okay but maybe we should think about reopening up the country?
Democrats and media: NO!!!! State's rights!!! We do what we want!!!

[Voldemort]

Tgo01, a serious question: Is there some scheduled point in time you’ll stop being an incel faggot loser? Inquiring minds want to know.

https://hugelolcdn.com/i/203199.jpg

[Tgo01]

The exact opposite will happen actually. Democrats will win the Presidency this year with a landslide when they see the only true governing is done by the states, rather than the child in the Whitehouse.

Poe's Law.

[Fortybox]

Will they though? Most democrats are too stupid to realize they've been played and will listen to their marching orders from the media and somehow blame Trump for whatever ails them.

I still have hope. There will always be the democrats that are time4fun/keller stupid but I actually think that's the small alt-left minority. Otherwise Trump wouldn't have turned the state red in 2016.

[Methais]

Pretty similar to your life. Thanks for the negative rep finally. I called that before Easter.

Bitch.

You:
https://i.imgur.com/poQxTe3h.jpg

[ClydeR]

Imagine an America divided into two classes: those who have recovered from infection with the coronavirus and presumably have some immunity to it; and those who are still vulnerable.

“It will be a frightening schism,” Dr. David Nabarro, a World Health Organization special envoy on Covid-19, predicted. “Those with antibodies will be able to travel and work, and the rest will be discriminated against.”

More... (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/18/health/coronavirus-america-future.html)


Soon the government will have to invent a way to certify who is truly immune. A test for IgG antibodies, which are produced once immunity is established, would make sense, said Dr. Daniel R. Lucey, an expert on pandemics at Georgetown Law School. Many companies are working on them.

Dr. Fauci has said the White House was discussing certificates like those proposed in Germany. China uses cellphone QR codes linked to the owner’s personal details so others cannot borrow them.

The California adult-film industry pioneered a similar idea a decade ago. Actors use a cellphone app to prove they have tested H.I.V. negative in the last 14 days, and producers can verify the information on a password-protected website.

As Americans stuck in lockdown see their immune neighbors resuming their lives and perhaps even taking the jobs they lost, it is not hard to imagine the enormous temptation to join them through self-infection, experts predicted. Younger citizens in particular will calculate that risking a serious illness may still be better than impoverishment and isolation.


It will be like people who intentionally infect their kids with chickenpox.

[Neveragain]

The exact opposite will happen actually. Democrats will win the Presidency this year with a landslide when they see the only true governing is done by the states, rather than the child in the Whitehouse.

Really the goal is to keep the US on lock down long enough to prevent Joe Biden from having to stand on a debate stage.

[~Rocktar~]

Tucker Carlson ....real journalism.....

Comedy gold

Says the person that believes CNN. So how many new PhDs did you get in your absence?

[Parkbandit]

The exact opposite will happen actually. Democrats will win the Presidency this year with a landslide when they see the only true governing is done by the states, rather than the child in the Whitehouse.

Yea.. just like in 2016 when Hillary did........

Stop defending the title.. Backlash is nowhere to be seen. You're safe.

[Solkern]

Really the goal is to keep the US on lock down long enough to prevent Joe Biden from having to stand on a debate stage.

To be fair, Trump isn’t much better.

[Neveragain]

To be fair, Trump isn’t much better.

Just from a logical standpoint, it would be ill advised to change leadership in the middle of a crisis. Especially to a leader that we know has dementia.

The biggest failure in all of this, setting aside WHO, is congress. It's a fucking joke that they are on recess in the middle of a crisis.

[Tgo01]

Fat piece of shit Patton Oswalt on Twitter:


Anne Frank spent 2 years hiding in an attic and we’ve been home for just over a month with Netflix, food delivery & video games and there are people risking viral death by storming state capital buildings & screaming, “Open Fuddruckers!”

This somehow got a total of half million likes and retweets.

Imagine diminishing what people are going through right now by claiming they just want to go to Fuddruckers. Must be nice to be a rich, fat sack of shit that you can have your food delivered to your mansion and your biggest worry is what video game you are going to play next. No one out there is struggling to pay their bills. No one out there is wondering if their job is coming back. No one out there is worried that losing their business forever. Nope. Everyone has the luxury of sitting home playing video games all day and their biggest worry is going to eat out at restaurants.

The left is so out of touch with the common man.

[Tgo01]

Speaking of worthless pieces of shit, Pelosi has finally gotten around to remembering that she works for the people and is working with Republicans to continue funding the program to keep small businesses afloat.

So far it's looking like Pelosi secured:

Money for hospitals
Money for testing

Yes that's right. She held up funding for small businesses to stay in business and to continue giving their employees a paycheck in order to secure funding for hospitals and testing, things no Republican ever once said they were against. So what was the point then? Just to be a completely evil bitch just to prove that she could?

[Bhaalizmo]

https://i.imgur.com/sa7OeFQ.png

[Seran]

Speaking of worthless pieces of shit, Pelosi has finally gotten around to remembering that she works for the people and is working with Republicans to continue funding the program to keep small businesses afloat.

So far it's looking like Pelosi secured:

Money for hospitals
Money for testing

Yes that's right. She held up funding for small businesses to stay in business and to continue giving their employees a paycheck in order to secure funding for hospitals and testing, things no Republican ever once said they were against. So what was the point then? Just to be a completely evil bitch just to prove that she could?

This is exactly how your average sub-human intelligence Conservative operative works. Senate Republicans didn't secure any funding for hospitals or testing in their bill to add funds to the Payroll Protection Program, which is exactly why Senate Democrats refused to cooperate and why the House began working on their countering bill. Now there's a compromise bill and suddenly dumb fuck Conservatives like Tgo01 want to pretend they meant to include funds for hospitals and testing all along. Morons.

[Tgo01]

This is exactly how your average sub-human intelligence Conservative operative works. Senate Republicans didn't secure any funding for hospitals or testing in their bill to add funds to the Payroll Protection Program, which is exactly why Senate Democrats refused to cooperate and why the House began working on their countering bill. Now there's a compromise bill and suddenly dumb fuck Conservatives like Tgo01 want to pretend they meant to include funds for hospitals and testing all along. Morons.

Poe's law is a hell of a thing.

Is Seran really this dumb to think Democrats couldn't pass the small business protection loan program and then work with Republicans to provide more funding for hospitals and tests? That Republicans were somehow against providing more funding for hospitals and tests and therefore it was necessary to hold up funding for small businesses?

Democrats are some sort of heroes for allowing people to lose their jobs and businesses and stress others out while they waited anxiously for over a week to see this relief because it's just impossible to pass PPP and then work on a separate bill for hospital funding?

Or is he just a giant parody of exactly what a far left, brain dead, down-ballot-voting, piece of sub-human garbage would sound like?

It's really hard to tell.

[Seran]

Poe's law is a hell of a thing.

Is Seran really this dumb to think Democrats couldn't pass the small business protection loan program and then work with Republicans to provide more funding for hospitals and tests? That Republicans were somehow against providing more funding for hospitals and tests and therefore it was necessary to hold up funding for small businesses?

Democrats are some sort of heroes for allowing people to lose their jobs and businesses and stress others out while they waited anxiously for over a week to see this relief because it's just impossible to pass PPP and then work on a separate bill for hospital funding?

Or is he just a giant parody of exactly what a far left, brain dead, down-ballot-voting, piece of sub-human garbage would sound like?

It's really hard to tell.

Yes, that is exactly how it works. You give McConnell and Trump their business handouts, while neglecting the health of citizens, the financial stability or hospitals and healthcare workers and you will NEVER GET A VOTE on a separate bill with just Democrat requests. I'm sorry you're too fucking stupid to understand politics, or want to continue pretending the world exists inside your tiny, Dodge Dorango driving, sister-fucking, 'Murrica. But the rest of us understand this country.

[Tgo01]

Yes, that is exactly how it works. You give McConnell and Trump their business handouts, while neglecting the health of citizens, the financial stability or hospitals and healthcare workers and you will NEVER GET A VOTE on a separate bill with just Democrat requests. I'm sorry you're too fucking stupid to understand politics, or want to continue pretending the world exists inside your tiny, Dodge Dorango driving, sister-fucking, 'Murrica. But the rest of us understand this country.

Poe's Law.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I don't know what Poe's Law is, other than a quick read on the wiki, but it's a shitty argument for anything.

I 100% disagree with Seran, btw. I don't think conservatives are dumb or sister fucking (and it's a Durango, you dumb fuck). Fund small businesses, get that shit over with. Only Pelosi, standing in front of her 20K fridge on Late Night TV could be so fucking disconnected from what's going on with people who haven't been lifelong politicians with shitty fucking dentures.

[Tgo01]

I don't know what Poe's Law is, other than a quick read on the wiki, but it's a shitty argument for anything.

Basically means that without real life clues (such as someone's inflection while speaking) it is impossible to tell if someone expressing extreme views on the internet is being serious about said views, or if they are just being sarcastic.

I'm not making an argument based on what Seran is saying, I'm just legit saying I have no idea if he's being serious with his arguments or if he's just being sarcastic/acting like a parody. He really is that far out there that I can't tell anymore. Like him claiming Democrats had to postpone funding the PPP and allowing people to lose their jobs and businesses in the meantime because if they didn't then Republicans were really going to take the political hit of actually being against funding hospitals in a separate bill.

That is just outright lunacy and I can't tell if he's serious with this shit anymore.

[Geijon]

Near 6 pages full of you posting from 205-212.

[Geijon]

I think it's great. More chance for Trump to win the state again later this year when people realize the democratic party for what it really is.

He's losing Wisconsin and another midwest swing like Michigan as we speak.

[Seran]

Near 6 pages full of you posting from 205-212.

Pretty sure the irony is lost on him.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

He's losing Wisconsin and another midwest swing like Michigan as we speak.

You say that like there's not 6 months to go, also, I'm fairly sure conservatives have been galvanized by the media, congress, Kavanaugh, the Russia investigation, the Mueller report, the Stormy Daniels bullshit, how the #metoo ignores Joe, how social justice ignores VA governor, AG and whoever the blackface dude was next after that, how Pelosi is putting politics over people, how Omar is using her political campaign to finance her now husband too the tune of millions of dollars, etc etc etc. I can go on for fucking ever. The criminality of the democrats so far outweighs what I will also agree to as the criminality of the republicans... but it's just SO FAR AND AWAY from what republicans do. Remember when that bitch in CA said protesters should go to conservatives homes and harass them?

I do. I remember all of it. I didn't vote Trump last time, but I am literally voting party line this time. I've seen what the democrats want and it scares me. I've voted dem a few times over the years, but never again. Not in today's political environment. I know my family, who is full of bleeding heart liberals, is also done with the democrats. They've seen and experienced it. No more.

[Tgo01]

Number of new daily deaths today is 1534, yesterday was 1867.

According to the IHME projects today should have had 2159 and yesterday should have had 2194, meaning in the past 2 days the IHME model was off by 952 total deaths. If this rate keeps up they are going to have to revise their 60k deaths estimate to be even lower.

There are also some studies out there that suggest the Wuhan virus doesn't survive as long in heat or humid weather or in direct sunlight so with the weather finally getting better we might get this thing under control even sooner than originally thought.

[Parkbandit]

This is exactly how your average sub-human intelligence Conservative operative works. Senate Republicans didn't secure any funding for hospitals or testing in their bill to add funds to the Payroll Protection Program, which is exactly why Senate Democrats refused to cooperate and why the House began working on their countering bill. Now there's a compromise bill and suddenly dumb fuck Conservatives like Tgo01 want to pretend they meant to include funds for hospitals and testing all along. Morons.

You are such a useful idiot.. Democrats should really be paying you for your stupidity.

Do you honestly believe that Republicans didn't want to put money for hospitals or money for testing into the bill.. that Pelosi stopped all negotiations for those 2 things to be added?

If you do.. you may very well hold onto that title forever.

[Parkbandit]

He's losing Wisconsin and another midwest swing like Michigan as we speak.

On shit... someone new steps into the ring Seran!

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

On shit... someone new steps into the ring Seran!

You better not red rep him, or there will be 4-16 posts about how he doesn't care about red rep...

[Parkbandit]

You say that like there's not 6 months to go, also, I'm fairly sure conservatives have been galvanized by the media, congress, Kavanaugh, the Russia investigation, the Mueller report, the Stormy Daniels bullshit, how the #metoo ignores Joe, how social justice ignores VA governor, AG and whoever the blackface dude was next after that, how Pelosi is putting politics over people, how Omar is using her political campaign to finance her now husband too the tune of millions of dollars, etc etc etc. I can go on for fucking ever. The criminality of the democrats so far outweighs what I will also agree to as the criminality of the republicans... but it's just SO FAR AND AWAY from what republicans do. Remember when that bitch in CA said protesters should go to conservatives homes and harass them?

I do. I remember all of it. I didn't vote Trump last time, but I am literally voting party line this time. I've seen what the democrats want and it scares me. I've voted dem a few times over the years, but never again. Not in today's political environment. I know my family, who is full of bleeding heart liberals, is also done with the democrats. They've seen and experienced it. No more.

Joe Biden doesn't excite anyone. He's worse than Hillary Clinton in that respect.

The fact that the majority of Democrats voted him to be their nominee because he was the lesser of what.. 12 evils.. should speak loudly... but even Sleepy Joe doesn't hear it. Instead, he said he now supports things Bernie supported in an effort to court those crazy fucks.

[Parkbandit]

You better not red rep him, or there will be 4-16 posts about how he doesn't care about red rep...

Oh he's made sure we all know how much he's not upset about getting red rep by telling him how upsetting it is.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Joe Biden doesn't excite anyone. He's worse than Hillary Clinton in that respect.

The fact that the majority of Democrats voted him to be their nominee because he was the lesser of what.. 12 evils.. should speak loudly... but even Sleepy Joe doesn't hear it. Instead, he said he now supports things Bernie supported in an effort to court those crazy fucks.

You should see how my lesbian minority niece of an illegal immigrant has actually said in public how fucked up the media and democrats are now. I stopped using social media because of the rift it was causing in my family, and now my family (full of immigrants, illegal and legal) has all come around to my pretty much moderate line of thinking.

I'm actually astonished with their political swing... but I get it. My aforementioned niece, who works in the kennel my sister inherited from my father, has seen how shitty socialism is in America. She's got more heart than I do... wants to help out her coworkers and her Mom, but she gets it that socialism is crazy. She works hard, sees people who don't, and doesn't think they deserve the rewards of working hard.

She dropped all the racist/sexist/bigot speak a bit more than a year ago after she saw the sham of the mueller report, russia investigation, kavanaugh hypocrisy... I'm frankly amazed she saw it. But she's not stupid, so I guess that's why. And she actually told me it was because of watching CSPAN. Who the fuck watches CSPAN? Anyway, glad she's on board. And her lesbian sisters and all the minorities she knows.

I expect a landslide this year, myself. Can't wait.

[Fortybox]

You say that like there's not 6 months to go, also, I'm fairly sure conservatives have been galvanized by the media, congress, Kavanaugh, the Russia investigation, the Mueller report, the Stormy Daniels bullshit, how the #metoo ignores Joe, how social justice ignores VA governor, AG and whoever the blackface dude was next after that, how Pelosi is putting politics over people, how Omar is using her political campaign to finance her now husband too the tune of millions of dollars, etc etc etc. I can go on for fucking ever. The criminality of the democrats so far outweighs what I will also agree to as the criminality of the republicans... but it's just SO FAR AND AWAY from what republicans do. Remember when that bitch in CA said protesters should go to conservatives homes and harass them?

I do. I remember all of it. I didn't vote Trump last time, but I am literally voting party line this time. I've seen what the democrats want and it scares me. I've voted dem a few times over the years, but never again. Not in today's political environment. I know my family, who is full of bleeding heart liberals, is also done with the democrats. They've seen and experienced it. No more.

Yeah, what he said.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Yeah, what he said.

I endorse this message.

As well as the 4? bourbon and cokes that lead up to it.

[Wrathbringer]

I'm all for rule by the constitution and the rule of law. Let's not forget other parts of the constitution...

"The Federal government derives its authority for isolation and quarantine from the Commerce Clause of the U.S. Constitution. Under section 361 of the Public Health Service Act (42 U.S. Code § 264),

the U.S. Secretary of Health and Human Services are

AUTHORIZED to take measures to prevent the entry and spread of communicable diseases from foreign countries into the United States and between states."

States have police power functions to protect the health, safety, and welfare of persons within their borders. To control the spread of disease within their borders, states have laws to enforce the use of isolation and quarantine.

These laws can vary from state to state and can be specific or broad. In some states, local health authorities implement state law. In most states, breaking a quarantine order is a criminal misdemeanor.

Tribes also have police power authority to take actions that promote the health, safety, and welfare of their own tribal members. Tribal health authorities may enforce their own isolation and quarantine laws within tribal lands, if such laws exist.


So while our liberties may be minimized for the time being. We are not in any actuality living a under totalitarian regime or communist China.

JFK said ...But what can I do for my country.

Quarantine is the restriction of movement of the sick. Restricting the movement of healthy people is tyranny. Regardless of the potential damage from any perceived threat, government must err on the side of liberty. This is not China. Forcing the loss of livelihood, restricting movement of healthy persons, removing such liberties as the right to assemble, etc. are unconstitutional. Period.

[Solkern]

Quarantine is the restriction of movement of the sick. Restricting the movement of healthy people is tyranny. Regardless of the potential damage from any perceived threat, government must err on the side of liberty. This is not China. Forcing the loss of livelihood, restricting movement of healthy persons, removing such liberties as the right to assemble, etc. are unconstitutional. Period.

Quarantine is reserved for people who may have been exposed to a communicable disease but who are not (yet) sick. It’s a practice that the port of Venice established in the 14th century, when the Black Death raged: Inbound ships would be made to anchor offshore for 40 days (hence the Italian, quaranta) to give any disease that might be onboard time to show itself and run its course. Only then would sailors be permitted to disembark.

When separated from the general public for a period of time that’s as long as the incubation period for a disease, those who have been quarantined are less likely to spread it. And if they do become sick while in quarantine, they can be swept into isolation and treated quickly.


Isolation is what happens when a person is separated from others because he or she is confirmed to be infected and has developed symptoms.



From the CDC website:

What is the difference between quarantine and isolation?
Quarantine

Quarantine is used to keep someone who might have been exposed to COVID-19 away from others. Someone in self-quarantine stays separated from others, and they limit movement outside of their home or current place. A person may have been exposed to the virus without knowing it (for example, when traveling or out in the community), or they could have the virus without feeling symptoms. Quarantine helps limit further spread of COVID-19.

Isolation

Isolation is used to separate sick people from healthy people. People who are in isolation should stay home. In the home, anyone sick should separate themselves from others by staying in a specific “sick” bedroom or space and using a different bathroom (if possible).

[Keller]

Made 3 dozen everything bagels and dropped off care packages to neighbors on a walk tonight.

Folks are gonna have an exceptional Monday morning.

[Tgo01]

Made 3 dozen everything bagels and dropped off care packages to neighbors on a walk tonight.

Folks are gonna have an exceptional Monday morning.

So much unnecessary travel. I hope you did the right thing and turned yourself in to the local Stasi.

[Fortybox]

Made 3 dozen everything bagels and dropped off care packages to neighbors on a walk tonight.

Folks are gonna have an exceptional Monday morning.

What a waste. Most, if not all, probably will throw it away b/c they don't want Kellerona.

[Tgo01]

Another rich "celebrity" telling us peons it's no big deal to lose our jobs, businesses, and livelihoods and to just shut up and stay locked up in our meager little homes for months if necessary.

This time it's D.L. Hughley (which admittedly I have never heard of but he is apparently worth 10 million) with this hot take:


In a country where slavery was legal for a couple of hundred years, it’s ironic some are resentful of their freedom being taken away for a couple of months!

That's right! This country had slaves at one point so who cares if you are losing your freedoms for a couple of months today?

[Tgo01]

You'll never guess who is REALLY behind these protests to open up the economy again according to this law professor, legal analyst for MSNBC, and former US attorney. That's right! RUSSIA!

https://twitter.com/BarbMcQuade/status/1251530112488607746?s=20


Mueller found that some 2016 political rallies in US were organized by Russians on social media. These active measures seek to divide and defeat us. Ask yourself who benefits from American deaths when protestors gather during COVID19.

Hasn't this Russian blame game gone on long enough already?

[Parkbandit]

You'll never guess who is REALLY behind these protests to open up the economy again according to this law professor, legal analyst for MSNBC, and former US attorney. That's right! RUSSIA!

https://twitter.com/BarbMcQuade/status/1251530112488607746?s=20

Hasn't this Russian blame game gone on long enough already?

Well SOMETHING has to be feeding this protest. I can't imagine why anyone would want to work for a living.

[Tgo01]

Well SOMETHING has to be feeding this protest. I can't imagine why anyone would want to work for a living.

It's hilarious watching the mental gymnastics of the left.

"Trump is a fascist! We must protest against his tyranny!" Said the Antifa member.
"Trump isn't fascist enough! He must close down the country!" Said the mainstream media reporter.
"Trump thinks he's king! Thinks he can say when states open!" Said the Democrat voter.
"Trump is encouraging protests against the government that he runs!" Said the...wait a minute, so now suddenly Trump CAN say when states open? Because I thought the protests were against the state governors who were deciding when to open up the states?

It must be so confusing being a Democrat these days. Imagine going through life walking on eggshells because the narrative of the left quite literally changes from hour to hour and if you're behind and speaking the wrong narrative then suddenly you're a racist, fascist, homophobic bigot. No wonder people like Seran and Keller wait until they get their marching orders directly from the media before they open their mouths.

[Methais]

Never forget

When you have to quote yourself because your post got ignored by everyone else...

[Methais]

Governor Whitmer has done an incredible job leading Michigan through this pandemic. I wouldn't, and haven't, violated her executive orders. No gatherings. Practicing good social distancing. We're doing amazing here in west Michigan.

Do you agree that people shouldn't be allowed to purchase things like vegetable seeds because "non-essential?"

[Gelston]

Another rich "celebrity" telling us peons it's no big deal to lose our jobs, businesses, and livelihoods and to just shut up and stay locked up in our meager little homes for months if necessary.

This time it's D.L. Hughley (which admittedly I have never heard of but he is apparently worth 10 million) with this hot take:



That's right! This country had slaves at one point so who cares if you are losing your freedoms for a couple of months today?

This sounds very ClydeR.

[Bhaalizmo]

When you have to quote yourself because your post got ignored by everyone else...

https://i.imgur.com/sa7OeFQ.png

[Methais]

Tucker Carlson ....real journalism.....

Comedy gold

Yeah, he's not real news like Rachel Maddow, right?

Did you shave your armpits yet? How long has it been now?

[Methais]

I think it's great. More chance for Trump to win the state again later this year when people realize the democratic party for what it really is.

This is correct.


Will they though? Most democrats are too stupid to realize they've been played and will listen to their marching orders from the media and somehow blame Trump for whatever ails them.

This is also correct.

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[Methais]

The exact opposite will happen actually. Democrats will win the Presidency this year with a landslide when they see the only true governing is done by the states, rather than the child in the Whitehouse.

Quoted for when Joe Pedo gets pwned and you're having a meltdown.

[Tgo01]

Democrats: White privilege is BAD!

Rich white celebrities teeming with privilege tell poor people from their 20 million dollar mansion to suck it up for a few more weeks and to stop being so selfish.

Democrats: OMG! So brave! Speaking truth to power!

And what are brain washed trade union bosses going to tell their members to do? Vote for the "union friendly" Democrats of course!
And what are the brain washed trade unionists going to do? Vote for the "union friendly" Democrats of course!

How in the world did Democrats get the reputation for caring about middle class workers anyways? Seriously Democrats have always been the party of rich celebrities looking down upon the common folk, this shutdown hasn't suddenly created these attitudes, it's merely shining a big bright spotlight on this attitude.

[~Rocktar~]

Democrats: White privilege is BAD!

Rich white celebrities teeming with privilege tell poor people from their 20 million dollar mansion to suck it up for a few more weeks and to stop being so selfish.

Democrats: OMG! So brave! Speaking truth to power!

And what are brain washed trade union bosses going to tell their members to do? Vote for the "union friendly" Democrats of course!
And what are the brain washed trade unionists going to do? Vote for the "union friendly" Democrats of course!

How in the world did Democrats get the reputation for caring about middle class workers anyways? Seriously Democrats have always been the party of rich celebrities looking down upon the common folk, this shutdown hasn't suddenly created these attitudes, it's merely shining a big bright spotlight on this attitude.

A hundred plus years of welfare and propaganda from an enabling media. They have always been the party of the plantation owners, union bosses and glib elite. They only pander to the poor, minorities or sectional groups when it suits them and they think they can garner votes. Nothing more.

[Methais]

Near 6 pages full of you posting from 205-212.


Pretty sure the irony is lost on him.

https://i.imgur.com/Ar31m1F.jpg

[Methais]

There are also some studies out there that suggest the Wuhan virus doesn't survive as long in heat or humid weather or in direct sunlight so with the weather finally getting better we might get this thing under control even sooner than originally thought.

CNN headline: The sun is racist

[Methais]

You should see how my lesbian minority niece of an illegal immigrant has actually said in public how fucked up the media and democrats are now. I stopped using social media because of the rift it was causing in my family, and now my family (full of immigrants, illegal and legal) has all come around to my pretty much moderate line of thinking.

I'm actually astonished with their political swing... but I get it. My aforementioned niece, who works in the kennel my sister inherited from my father, has seen how shitty socialism is in America. She's got more heart than I do... wants to help out her coworkers and her Mom, but she gets it that socialism is crazy. She works hard, sees people who don't, and doesn't think they deserve the rewards of working hard.

She dropped all the racist/sexist/bigot speak a bit more than a year ago after she saw the sham of the mueller report, russia investigation, kavanaugh hypocrisy... I'm frankly amazed she saw it. But she's not stupid, so I guess that's why. And she actually told me it was because of watching CSPAN. Who the fuck watches CSPAN? Anyway, glad she's on board. And her lesbian sisters and all the minorities she knows.

I expect a landslide this year, myself. Can't wait.

WOW WHAT A NAZI SHE IS OMG OMG OMG!!!! -Seran, probably, while Gayjon fondles his taint

[Seran]

Democrats: White privilege is BAD!

Rich white celebrities teeming with privilege tell poor people from their 20 million dollar mansion to suck it up for a few more weeks and to stop being so selfish.

Democrats: OMG! So brave! Speaking truth to power!

And what are brain washed trade union bosses going to tell their members to do? Vote for the "union friendly" Democrats of course!
And what are the brain washed trade unionists going to do? Vote for the "union friendly" Democrats of course!

How in the world did Democrats get the reputation for caring about middle class workers anyways? Seriously Democrats have always been the party of rich celebrities looking down upon the common folk, this shutdown hasn't suddenly created these attitudes, it's merely shining a big bright spotlight on this attitude.

Poe's Law.

[Methais]

Made 3 dozen everything bagels and dropped off care packages to neighbors on a walk tonight.

Folks are gonna have an exceptional Monday morning.

You should post this in in the obsessed with Keller thread, being that you're obsessed with yourself and all.

[Tgo01]

Poe's Law.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/3c/6f/cc/3c6fccc6de2055cae131966656b87a8e.jpg

In other news, remember that California city who filled in a skate park with sand to ensure no one could use it? There are videos out there now and it looks like skaters cleared enough sand to use part of it as a skate park again and the rest they converted into a dirt bike track.

Nice waste of taxpayer dollars for nothing, commies!

[Tgo01]

NYC released prisoners from jail to "protect them" from the Wuhan virus, some of these prisoners were dangerous.

Here is de Blasio today: "I think it’s unconscionable just on a human level that folks were shown mercy and this is what some of them have done."

"I don't get it! We released prisoners from jail because we were being nice and they go out and commit more crimes? Literally NO ONE could have seen this coming!"

[Neveragain]

NYC released prisoners from jail to "protect them" from the Wuhan virus, some of these prisoners were dangerous.

Here is de Blasio today: "I think it’s unconscionable just on a human level that folks were shown mercy and this is what some of them have done."

"I don't get it! We released prisoners from jail because we were being nice and they go out and commit more crimes? Literally NO ONE could have seen this coming!"

I wonder if De Blasio would show this kind of compassion towards someone that had committed a crime against his family?

[Alfster]

NYC released prisoners from jail to "protect them" from the Wuhan virus, some of these prisoners were dangerous.

Here is de Blasio today: "I think it’s unconscionable just on a human level that folks were shown mercy and this is what some of them have done."

"I don't get it! We released prisoners from jail because we were being nice and they go out and commit more crimes? Literally NO ONE could have seen this coming!"

Like the guy in Florida that was released then ended up back in for murder.

[Parkbandit]

Like the guy in Florida that was released then ended up back in for murder.

Exactly like it.

Releasing people from jail because you believe you are protecting them from Corvid-10 and thinking their behavior is somehow going to change is retarded.

[Tgo01]

I wonder if De Blasio would show this kind of compassion towards someone that had committed a crime against his family?

de Blasio is such a cuck he would probably apologize to the criminal if they were a minority of some sort.


Like the guy in Florida that was released then ended up back in for murder.

Yup. It's dumb to release prisoners for this shit. They also released Avenatti a guy convicted of extortion and Michael Cohen, but they are damn sure gonna keep Manafort and Roger Stone in prison for the horrible crime of lying.

[Neveragain]

BREAKING: crude oil prices continue to collapse, with futures down 92% to as low at $1.02 PER BARREL of West Texas Intermediate Light Sweet Crude. These futures were trading at $62 in January.

https://media.giphy.com/media/lfcqtflYm1XuIhqI5E/giphy.gif

[Methais]

Don't fuck with the skaters :lol:

https://twitter.com/RubinReport/status/1252271132402565124

[Tgo01]

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I was just reading this. Some oil futures apparently crashed all the way down to 1 cent per barrel.

But everything is fine! Let's keep the shutdowns going for another few months. I'm sure the oil producers will keep pumping out oil for free in order to keep the world moving.

[Tgo01]

I was just reading this. Some oil futures apparently crashed all the way down to 1 cent per barrel.

But everything is fine! Let's keep the shutdowns going for another few months. I'm sure the oil producers will keep pumping out oil for free in order to keep the world moving.

What's really funny is I bet the green energy nutjobs out there think this is a good thing. "Yay! No one is buying oil! We win!"

Yeah. No. One of the few appeals of solar panels and electric cars was you save money on electricity and gas. Ain't no one out there (other than rich people and virtue signalers) gonna pay more for an electric vehicle now that gas is so fucking cheap. This has ironically set the green energy crusade back decades unless we open up the economy soon and create a demand for oil again.

[Solkern]

de Blasio is such a cuck he would probably apologize to the criminal if they were a minority of some sort.



Yup. It's dumb to release prisoners for this shit. They also released Avenatti a guy convicted of extortion and Michael Cohen, but they are damn sure gonna keep Manafort and Roger Stone in prison for the horrible crime of lying.


I don’t mind releasing prisoners, on certain conditions. Non-violent crimes, First time offenders AND near the end of their sentence (1-2months left)
or people that are extremely old and not a threat to society due to their advanced age.

[Tgo01]

Oil is now trading at -40 dollars per barrel.

If Democrats don't stop with this bullshit soon we might reach the point of no return: millions of jobs gone forever, millions of families suffering, all because of the left's desire to get Trump out of office. Unbelievable.

Oh yeah, guess who the Democrats are already blaming for oil crashing.

Democrats? No.
The media? No.
The government enforced shutdowns? No.
Trump? YOU GOT IT!

In other news nurses are holding counter protests but for some reason no one is bitching at them for not "staying at home."

[Solkern]

I just saw Kellyanne Conway say this is covid19, not covid1, implying that we had 18 covid viruses before and we should be an expert because of that...
Is she really that dumb?

[~Rocktar~]

Oil is now trading at -40 dollars per barrel.

If Democrats don't stop with this bullshit soon we might reach the point of no return: millions of jobs gone forever, millions of families suffering, all because of the left's desire to get Trump out of office. Unbelievable.

Oh yeah, guess who the Democrats are already blaming for oil crashing.

Democrats? No.
The media? No.
The government enforced shutdowns? No.
Trump? YOU GOT IT!

In other news nurses are holding counter protests but for some reason no one is bitching at them for not "staying at home."

So at -40 a barrel, if I had storage, I would literally be getting paid to take it? At that kind of price, makes you wonder what a $1000 investment in a future would be worth assuming that some kind of recovery starts.

[Solkern]

Oil is now trading at -40 dollars per barrel.

If Democrats don't stop with this bullshit soon we might reach the point of no return: millions of jobs gone forever, millions of families suffering, all because of the left's desire to get Trump out of office. Unbelievable.

Oh yeah, guess who the Democrats are already blaming for oil crashing.

Democrats? No.
The media? No.
The government enforced shutdowns? No.
Trump? YOU GOT IT!

In other news nurses are holding counter protests but for some reason no one is bitching at them for not "staying at home."

They are paying me to buy oil?! I guess I should stock up! /end sarcasm

[Tgo01]

I'll be shocked if the stock market doesn't begin to really crash by the end of the week.

I'm surprised it only dropped 400 points today and is still almost 24k. Not sure what is keeping investors optimistic to be honest. Oil market crashing. The left all over the world is insisting on keep economies shut down with no end in sight. Unheard of unemployment figures. Tens of thousands of businesses literally shuttered and not open for business.

I guess the government bailout is keeping things steady for now but how much longer can that last?

Imagine thinking this is all worth it because of 40k deaths. Millions, possibly even billions, will suffer, but hey we kept the death toll to under 60k and maybe ensured Trump was a one term president, so it was all worth it.

[Methais]

I'll be shocked if the stock market doesn't begin to really crash by the end of the week.

I'm surprised it only dropped 400 points today and is still almost 24k. Not sure what is keeping investors optimistic to be honest. Oil market crashing. The left all over the world is insisting on keep economies shut down with no end in sight. Unheard of unemployment figures. Tens of thousands of businesses literally shuttered and not open for business.

I guess the government bailout is keeping things steady for now but how much longer can that last?

Imagine thinking this is all worth it because of 40k deaths. Millions, possibly even billions, will suffer, but hey we kept the death toll to under 60k and maybe ensured Trump was a one term president, so it was all worth it.

Anything to own Trump because orange man bad.

Right Seran?

[Candor]

So apparently the price of oil is now negative. Admittedly I didn't know that was possible.

We live in interesting times.

[Neveragain]

I'll be shocked if the stock market doesn't begin to really crash by the end of the week.

I'm surprised it only dropped 400 points today and is still almost 24k. Not sure what is keeping investors optimistic to be honest. Oil market crashing. The left all over the world is insisting on keep economies shut down with no end in sight. Unheard of unemployment figures. Tens of thousands of businesses literally shuttered and not open for business.

I guess the government bailout is keeping things steady for now but how much longer can that last?

Imagine thinking this is all worth it because of 40k deaths. Millions, possibly even billions, will suffer, but hey we kept the death toll to under 60k and maybe ensured Trump was a one term president, so it was all worth it.

Doing my very best to not be a conspiracy nut and use every bit of logic I can muster. I'm doing my best to not think this all has very little to do with covid-19, none of this shit is adding up.

Who the fuck would want to take over the presidency at this point?

[Tgo01]

Doing my very best to not be a conspiracy nut and use every bit of logic I can muster. I'm doing my best to not think this all has very little to do with covid-19, none of this shit is adding up.

Who the fuck would want to take over the presidency at this point?

I honestly think it stopped by about the Wuhan virus on April 1st. I give the Democrats and media the benefit of the doubt that they cared about lives during Trump's initial 2 week appeal to shut down the economy. But as April 1st approached they realized they could use this crisis to their advantage and using it to their advantage are they.

We are talking about entire vital industries completely collapsing now and Democrats are still walking around like "Oh well, no big deal, we must save lives!"

[Tgo01]

I expressed my worry to a liberal friend of mine and he said "Don't worry, stores have put limits on how much food people can buy so we should never run out of food."

This is how soft modern society has made people. "Don't worry, the stores put limits on food, we're good." Like it's impossible for them to even imagine that if this continues much longer there literally won't be food on the shelves to begin with, much less for stores to place limits on. Shit there are already lines literally miles long of people waiting for food at a food bank because they can't afford food anymore.

Shit has to open soon, virus or no virus. We need to stop listening to millionaires telling us everything is fine because they are living a life of luxury in their mansions. We need to stop listening to Fauci as he lectures protesters saying THEY are wrecking the economy with their protests and not the continued shut downs.

[Furryrat]

I'll be shocked if the stock market doesn't begin to really crash by the end of the week.

Not to detract at all from your position, I find the actions of Congress and the leftist media utterly reprehensible in this crisis. The oil market "crash" today is simply due to May contracts expiring and essentially becoming worthless. The June contracts are currently trading at $21 and will adjust accordingly as we move into May. The major players in the oil industry actually saw sizable gains in stock value earlier today as they shed these low value contracts. A rally tomorrow is not at all unreasonable.

Overall I'd say the market as a whole is performing with incredible resilience and, as an active day trader, I am optimistic for a significant and fast recovery in Q3. This is absolute truth and testament to the strength of the Trump economy going into this mess, and the leadership to get us through it.

[Tgo01]

Not to detract at all from your position, I find the actions of Congress and the leftist media utterly reprehensible in this crisis. The oil market "crash" today is simply due to May contracts expiring and essentially becoming worthless. The June contracts are currently trading at $21 and will adjust accordingly as we move into May. The major players in the oil industry actually saw sizable gains in stock value earlier today as they shed these low value contracts. A rally tomorrow is not at all unreasonable.

Overall I'd say the market as a whole is performing with incredible resilience and, as an active day trader, I am optimistic for a significant and fast recovery in Q3. This is absolute truth and testament to the strength of the Trump economy going into this mess, and the leadership to get us through it.

Even 21 dollars a barrel is low, if it drops much lower it won't be sustainable either. Canada is already laying off thousands working in the gas and oil industry.

But you're right, I'm glad Trump is president at the moment and not Hillary or God forbid Biden.

[Furryrat]

Even 21 dollars a barrel is low, if it drops much lower it won't be sustainable either. Canada is already laying off thousands working in the gas and oil industry.

It's insanely low, no producer can be profitable at $21 WTI, it costs almost that much just to transport the raw crude. There's really only 1 producer in the world that can profit at $20 oil, and that's ...wait for it, Saudi Arabia. Of course, that's a different grade of crude, but they can break even as low as $10.

Right there with you, we need to get the hell back to work and get industrials and manufacturing ramping up now. Everyone here should go get in their cars and joyride up and down the open, cop-free highways! Do your part!

[Stolis]

It's insanely low, no producer can be profitable at $21 WTI, it costs almost that much just to transport the raw crude. There's really only 1 producer in the world that can profit at $20 oil, and that's ...wait for it, Saudi Arabia. Of course, that's a different grade of crude, but they can break even as low as $10.

Right there with you, we need to get the hell back to work and get industrials and manufacturing ramping up now. Everyone here should go get in their cars and joyride up and down the open, cop-free highways! Do your part!

Anything that hurts Saudi Arabia I'm selfishly okay with. Remember the absurdity of oil back when it was over 4 a gallon? They made billions. They were putting gold on everything just because they could. Fuck Saudi Arabia.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Anything that hurts Saudi Arabia I'm selfishly okay with. Remember the absurdity of oil back when it was over 4 a gallon? They made billions. They were putting gold on everything just because they could. Fuck Saudi Arabia.

In case you didn't know... the Saudi's use oil prices to combat terrorism and Iran. Now they are doing it with Russia. While they aren't the best middle eastern nation, they are good to us, relatively.

[Fortybox]

Doing my very best to not be a conspiracy nut and use every bit of logic I can muster. I'm doing my best to not think this all has very little to do with covid-19, none of this shit is adding up.

Who the fuck would want to take over the presidency at this point?

It's about establishing a new world order like we did back in 1945. We are entering a new era.

Hold onto yer butts.

[Keller]

So apparently the price of oil is now negative. Admittedly I didn't know that was possible.

We live in interesting times.

That is just for barrels to be delivered tomorrow. Storage is full and we're still pulling oil out of the ground.

It's sort of like selling used furniture. At first you might try to sell that old desk for $100. Once no one buys it, eventually you have to do something with it so you have to pay someone to come pick it up and take it off your hands.

[Tgo01]

That is just for barrels to be delivered tomorrow. Storage is full and we're still pulling oil out of the ground.

It's sort of like selling used furniture. At first you might try to sell that old desk for $100. Once no one buys it, eventually you have to do something with it so you have to pay someone to come pick it up and take it off your hands.

But you do realize this isn't a sustainable strategy for much longer right? Or are you still in the "let's keep shit closed down for several more weeks or even months! LOL!" camp?

[Tgo01]

What's really funny is I bet the green energy nutjobs out there think this is a good thing. "Yay! No one is buying oil! We win!"

Yeah. No. One of the few appeals of solar panels and electric cars was you save money on electricity and gas. Ain't no one out there (other than rich people and virtue signalers) gonna pay more for an electric vehicle now that gas is so fucking cheap. This has ironically set the green energy crusade back decades unless we open up the economy soon and create a demand for oil again.

And right on queue from none other than AOC herself:


This snapshot is being acknowledged as a turning point in the climate movement.

Fossil fuels are in long-term structural decline. This along w/ low interest rates means it‘s the right time to create millions of jobs transitioning to renewable and clean energy. A key opportunity.

Yes, because with oil being so cheap right now that clearly demonstrates that NOW is the perfect time to start investing in green energy.

"Hey the price of bacon is at an all time low! Better stock up on steak that is 50 times more expensive!"

Apparently her original tweet had "You love to see it." as the fist line instead of the line about the snapshot.

Yes this horrible bitch "loved" to see tens of thousands of Americans in the oil industry lose their job if it means investing more in green energy, which is absolutely does not.

[Methais]

And right on queue from none other than AOC herself:



Yes, because with oil being so cheap right now that clearly demonstrates that NOW is the perfect time to start investing in green energy.

"Hey the price of bacon is at an all time low! Better stock up on steak that is 50 times more expensive!"

She's the time4fun of Congress, but with less PhDs.

And actually fuckable.

[Keller]

But you do realize this isn't a sustainable strategy for much longer right? Or are you still in the "let's keep shit closed down for several more weeks or even months! LOL!" camp?

My stance has been pretty much the same for a long time and I don't foresee it changing.

We're not going back to normal (at least not in my house) until (i) there is a vaccine, (ii) we have an effective clinical treatment, or (iii) there is demonstrated herd immunity.

I could see a fourth option being that we have containment of community spread and the ability to test and quickly contain any new instances. But we can't even test all the people that are already sick - I don't see a world in which we can test asymptomatic people that were in contact with a confirmed COVID-19 patient. The fact that it's almost. fucking. MAY. and we still can't test is an all-time failure. I don't even. I can't. Just fuck.

[Tgo01]

My stance has been pretty much the same for a long time and I don't foresee it changing.

We're not going back to normal (at least not in my house) until (i) there is a vaccine, (ii) we have an effective clinical treatment, or (iii) there is demonstrated herd immunity.

I could see a fourth option being that we have containment of community spread and the ability to test and quickly contain any new instances. But we can't even test all the people that are already sick - I don't see a world in which we can test asymptomatic people that were in contact with a confirmed COVID-19 patient. The fact that it's almost. fucking. MAY. and we still can't test is an all-time failure. I don't even. I can't. Just fuck.

Dude fucking relax already. Until there is a vaccine? Really? That's estimated to be 12+ months away at a minimum. You are absolutely insane to think we need to keep shit shut down until then. Why don't you and your family just cower in your homes for the next 12 months, get off the internet so you stop spreading your retardedness, and let the rest of us remember what it's like being human beings. Deal?

Also you're focusing too much on testing. Like the experts explained (which you wouldn't know about because you watch CNN religiously and they aren't airing the press briefings) you don't need to test literally everyone. In most parts of the country fewer than 9% of the tests come back positive meaning fewer than 9% of the people who are tested for the Wuhan virus actually have the Wuhan virus, this is good because it means the virus isn't as widespread as fearmongers such as yourself think it is and it also means we are conducting a lot of testing. Like the experts explained if something like 80% of the people test positive that means you're not doing enough testing because there are probably a lot of cases out there that aren't being tested and if it's something like a 2% rate then that means you're doing entirely too much testing.

Only fearmongers in the media think you need to test each and every single person in the US. Relax already. I didn't realize you were so easy to be manipulated, but you are a Democrat so that makes sense.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

She's the time4fun of Congress, but with less PhDs.

And actually fuckable.

I disagree. No amount of physical beauty can overcome how incredibly stupid she is. If she opened her mouth other than to use it as a dong holster, she'd ruin everything.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

My stance has been pretty much the same for a long time and I don't foresee it changing.

We're not going back to normal (at least not in my house) until (i) there is a vaccine, (ii) we have an effective clinical treatment, or (iii) there is demonstrated herd immunity.

I could see a fourth option being that we have containment of community spread and the ability to test and quickly contain any new instances. But we can't even test all the people that are already sick - I don't see a world in which we can test asymptomatic people that were in contact with a confirmed COVID-19 patient. The fact that it's almost. fucking. MAY. and we still can't test is an all-time failure. I don't even. I can't. Just fuck.

You are being chicken little. The world will go on. We're past the worst of it, in my totally no professional opinion.

[Gelston]

You are being chicken little. The world will go on. We're past the worst of it, in my totally no professional opinion.

No. The worst is coming. The Economy part. Check out them crude prices.

[Risen]

Dude fucking relax already. Until there is a vaccine? Really? That's estimated to be 12+ months away at a minimum. You are absolutely insane to think we need to keep shit shut down until then. Why don't you and your family just cower in your homes for the next 12 months, get off the internet so you stop spreading your retardedness, and let the rest of us remember what it's like being human beings. Deal?

Also you're focusing too much on testing. Like the experts explained (which you wouldn't know about because you watch CNN religiously and they aren't airing the press briefings) you don't need to test literally everyone. In most parts of the country fewer than 9% of the tests come back positive meaning fewer than 9% of the people who are tested for the Wuhan virus actually have the Wuhan virus, this is good because it means the virus isn't as widespread as fearmongers such as yourself think it is and it also means we are conducting a lot of testing. Like the experts explained if something like 80% of the people test positive that means you're not doing enough testing because there are probably a lot of cases out there that aren't being tested and if it's something like a 2% rate then that means you're doing entirely too much testing.

Only fearmongers in the media think you need to test each and every single person in the US. Relax already. I didn't realize you were so easy to be manipulated, but you are a Democrat so that makes sense.

Yes. But see, there may be a fundamental disconnect. It is all about the timing, but I'm interested in the test "do you presently have" and the test "did you have and are no longer". At the present rate, the second test is going to end up being much more valuable, based on current information. I wonder how much we will see on this, since big pharma likely will be interested in continuing the "must get a vaccine" approach over the "vaccine is only going to help the remaining 30% of the population" transparent message we need to hear. Or, whatever the number is.

We need to step back. But we need to step back in a measured fashion that doesn't end up with everyone getting sick in November, ahead of a plausible vaccine. And we need a plan. I know, scratched CD, but we need it.

[Keller]

You are being chicken little. The world will go on. We're past the worst of it, in my totally no professional opinion.

I hope you're right.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

No. The worst is coming. The Economy part. Check out them crude prices.

I SAID NON PROFESSIONAL. Either I'm right or I'm not right. Pretty sure that's better than Vegas odds.

[Keller]

Dude fucking relax already. Until there is a vaccine? Really? That's estimated to be 12+ months away at a minimum. You are absolutely insane to think we need to keep shit shut down until then. Why don't you and your family just cower in your homes for the next 12 months, get off the internet so you stop spreading your retardedness, and let the rest of us remember what it's like being human beings. Deal?

Also you're focusing too much on testing. Like the experts explained (which you wouldn't know about because you watch CNN religiously and they aren't airing the press briefings) you don't need to test literally everyone. In most parts of the country fewer than 9% of the tests come back positive meaning fewer than 9% of the people who are tested for the Wuhan virus actually have the Wuhan virus, this is good because it means the virus isn't as widespread as fearmongers such as yourself think it is and it also means we are conducting a lot of testing. Like the experts explained if something like 80% of the people test positive that means you're not doing enough testing because there are probably a lot of cases out there that aren't being tested and if it's something like a 2% rate then that means you're doing entirely too much testing.

Only fearmongers in the media think you need to test each and every single person in the US. Relax already. I didn't realize you were so easy to be manipulated, but you are a Democrat so that makes sense.

I'm getting sort of tired of your schtick. I don't think we need to do this every time. I'll try to respond to your posts in good faith, but I feel a little like Charlie Brown to your Lucy.

[Astray]

I SAID NON PROFESSIONAL. Either I'm right or I'm not right. Pretty sure that's better than Vegas odds.

House is always right. Don't like it? We got something to straighten you out in the back with.

[Tgo01]

I'm getting sort of tired of your schtick. I don't think we need to do this every time. I'll try to respond to your posts in good faith, but I feel a little like Charlie Brown to your Lucy.

What schtick is that exactly? Where I follow the stats, listen to the experts, and pay attention to what is happening in regards to our economy and people's jobs and livelihoods while you rely on nothing but emotion? Yeah that is pretty tiring.

When I asked you if you realized the current strategy wasn't sustainable for much longer I never imagined you would come back with "Let's do this until we have a vaccine!"

[Gelston]

I'm getting sort of tired of your schtick. I don't think we need to do this every time. I'll try to respond to your posts in good faith, but I feel a little like Charlie Brown to your Lucy.

You could always just leave.

[Alfster]

What schtick is that exactly? Where I follow the stats, listen to the experts, and pay attention to what is happening in regards to our economy and people's jobs and livelihoods while you rely on nothing but emotion? Yeah that is pretty tiring.

When I asked you if you realized the current strategy wasn't sustainable for much longer I never imagined you would come back with "Let's do this until we have a vaccine!"

Pence promised 27 million tests by end of March. The experts believe testing is needed to reopen. They came up short by roughly 26 million tests, by their own metrics it's an absolute failure.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Pence promised 27 million tests by end of March. The experts believe testing is needed to reopen. They came up short by roughly 26 million tests, by their own metrics it's an absolute failure.

Seems ambitious to say we'll test 8% of the population. I guess since all the celebs and politicians are all getting tested on priority and probably multiple times, it makes sense.

Meanwhile, in reality, saying 27M tests by EOM seems retarded.

[Gelston]

It was an overly ambitious goal. We have done just over 4m tests to this point.

[Tgo01]

Seems ambitious to say we'll test 8% of the population. I guess since all the celebs and politicians are all getting tested on priority and probably multiple times, it makes sense.

Meanwhile, in reality, saying 27M tests by EOM seems retarded.

I read an article today that has experts saying we need to do 30 million tests a DAY before we can reopen the economy.

I don't even know how such a thing would be possible.


It was an overly ambitious goal. We have done just over 4m tests to this point.

Did he say 27 million tests would be conducted by end of March? Does seem ambitious if he said that sometime in March, I don't think he even had that as a goal for the end of April.

Also from what I understand the states have much more capacity than they are utilizing if they utilized private businesses to help with the testing but a lot of states are for some reason only testing through their state laboratories, at least that's what Trump and Birx and et al keep saying.

[Parkbandit]

I'm getting sort of tired of your schtick. I don't think we need to do this every time. I'll try to respond to your posts in good faith, but I feel a little like Charlie Brown to your Lucy.

https://media.giphy.com/media/W6oadr8OpVFuX8NY4v/giphy.gif

[Parkbandit]

You could always just leave.

Or find out if he has teenage daughters with social media accounts...

[Gelston]

I read an article today that has experts saying we need to do 30 million tests a DAY before we can reopen the economy.

I don't even know how such a thing would be possible.



Did he say 27 million tests would be conducted by end of March? Does seem ambitious if he said that sometime in March, I don't think he even had that as a goal for the end of April.

Also from what I understand the states have much more capacity than they are utilizing if they utilized private businesses to help with the testing but a lot of states are for some reason only testing through their state laboratories, at least that's what Trump and Birx and et al keep saying.

Regardless, we've conducted more tests than any other country in the world. "The United States has now conducted more tests than France, the United Kingdom, South Korea, Japan, Singapore, India, Austria, Australia, Sweden, and Canada—combined." according to the White House.

[Parkbandit]

Pence promised 27 million tests by end of March. The experts believe testing is needed to reopen. They came up short by roughly 26 million tests, by their own metrics it's an absolute failure.

Biden said if he were elected, he would $8,000 childcare credits to put "720 million women back into the workforce"

I can guarantee that Biden would be an absolute failure at this if elected.

[Tgo01]

Biden said if he were elected, he would $8,000 childcare credits to put "720 million women back into the workforce"

I can guarantee that Biden would be an absolute failure at this if elected.

Honestly I think if Biden were president right now he would still be deciding what the perfect diversity quota of his task force team should be.

[~Rocktar~]

My stance has been pretty much the same for a long time and I don't foresee it changing.

We're not going back to normal (at least not in my house) until (i) there is a vaccine, (ii) we have an effective clinical treatment, or (iii) there is demonstrated herd immunity.

I could see a fourth option being that we have containment of community spread and the ability to test and quickly contain any new instances. But we can't even test all the people that are already sick - I don't see a world in which we can test asymptomatic people that were in contact with a confirmed COVID-19 patient. The fact that it's almost. fucking. MAY. and we still can't test is an all-time failure. I don't even. I can't. Just fuck.

You do know that the current testing has a pretty high error rate with false negatives, right? Even if we could test the living shit out of every human on the planet, the current best test isn't that good.

[~Rocktar~]

I disagree. No amount of physical beauty can overcome how incredibly stupid she is. If she opened her mouth other than to use it as a dong holster, she'd ruin everything.

This absofuckinglutly true.

[~Rocktar~]

I'm getting sort of tired of your schtick. I don't think we need to do this every time. I'll try to respond to your posts in good faith, but I feel a little like Charlie Brown to your Lucy.

Except you really don't respond in good faith. You ignore or dismiss any contradicting data or opinion, far more often and to a much greater degree than I ever have, you then parrot your opinion or decision in nearly about as condescending manner as possible all while flaunting the fact that you are so much better than everyone else. You are worse than Sheldon or House at talking down to people and not nearly as right.

[Ashlander]

I disagree. No amount of physical beauty can overcome how incredibly stupid she is. If she opened her mouth other than to use it as a dong holster, she'd ruin everything.https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41x5dt%2BjcUL._AC_SX425_.jpg

[Tgo01]

A judge has just ordered that ICE release just about every single detainee.

Anyone else notice the left is getting pretty much everything they want from this virus?

Everyone released from ICE custody.
Prisoners being released en masse.
Oil industry tanking.
Universal income in the form of making more money on unemployment than working.
Funding for their pet projects by threatening to withhold funds for much needed assistance.
Complete and total control of everyone's lives.

All they need to do now is force slavery reparations into one of these spending bills and succeed in their current push for mail in voting and the left will have managed to get everything they wanted in 2 months in what they couldn't get in decades.

[beldannon5]

i am sure that will be appealed but that's just dumb

[Solkern]

A judge has just ordered that ICE release just about every single detainee.

Anyone else notice the left is getting pretty much everything they want from this virus?

Everyone released from ICE custody.
Prisoners being released en masse.
Oil industry tanking.
Universal income in the form of making more money on unemployment than working.
Funding for their pet projects by threatening to withhold funds for much needed assistance.
Complete and total control of everyone's lives.

All they need to do now is force slavery reparations into one of these spending bills and succeed in their current push for mail in voting and the left will have managed to get everything they wanted in 2 months in what they couldn't get in decades.

I don’t mind the release of these people.. just make sure they are released on the other side of the border.

Regards to opening the economy, I feel like this bill is going to be pushed through that will give all Americans $2k a month for the next 6 months, to help get through this whole scenario.
I’m just worried opening the economy too soon, is going to cause more problems, than keeping it closed.
Yes I know, the arguments of suicide, etc etc.

[Tgo01]

Jesus fucking Christ these reporters.

Trump: I say when states can open up!!!
Media: No you don't! You're not a tyrant!!!
Trump: Okay fine, governors can decide.

Reporter: SC is opening up some stores but they don't meet the criteria put out by the federal guidelines!!! Shouldn't they not open up yet?!?!?!

Make up your mind!

[Stolis]

In case you didn't know... the Saudi's use oil prices to combat terrorism and Iran. Now they are doing it with Russia. While they aren't the best middle eastern nation, they are good to us, relatively.

Relatively, I agree. I'm not a fan though of them being like hey thanks for all the oil profits, and being lavish just to do it. That goes for really any country.

[Archigeek]

You do know that the current testing has a pretty high error rate with false negatives, right? Even if we could test the living shit out of every human on the planet, the current best test isn't that good.

There are organizations that test the tests. FIND for example, has tested a lot of them, and all but 4 were 90% or better, with nearly half approaching 100%. The worst one they tested was only 60% accurate. I've had false test results (not for COVID-19), and it can be pretty maddening.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

give all Americans $2k a month for the next 6 months

Just like the what, 1200 + 500 per dependent that I didn't qualify fully for (and still haven't gotten because I pay taxes every year)? Hell, I'll take $2K a month not to work for 6 months.

[Solkern]

Just like the what, 1200 + 500 per dependent that I didn't qualify fully for? Hell, I'll take $2K a month not to work for 6 months.

Not quite sure about the stipulations involved, but yeah, I’d take $2k a month as well.

[Archigeek]

Just like the what, 1200 + 500 per dependent that I didn't qualify fully for (and still haven't gotten because I pay taxes every year)? Hell, I'll take $2K a month not to work for 6 months.

That would be a hard pass, assuming of course that working is an option in the first place. My concern is that this is going to suck balls for a long time; hopefully I'm still working when the economy picks back up.

What are the latest predictions on how long the recession lasts anyway? I am thinking 3-5 years.

[Tgo01]

Pence promised 27 million tests by end of March. The experts believe testing is needed to reopen. They came up short by roughly 26 million tests, by their own metrics it's an absolute failure.

They went over this exact figure today at the press briefing and Admiral what's-his-name said he was the one who said 27 million tests by the end of March and he stated that what he said was there would be 27 million tests available by the end of March and that currently there are 40 million tests out there but the states aren't currently utilizing all of their testing capacity and if they did the US could be conducting 1 million more tests a day than they currently are. So the bottleneck seems to be from the states, not the number of tests available.

Georgia governor:


Due to favorable data & more testing, gyms, fitness centers, bowling alleys, body art studios, barbers, cosmetologists, hair designers, nail care artists, estheticians, their respective schools & massage therapists can reopen Friday, April 24 with Minimum Basic Operations.

Hopefully this is a sign of things to come soon for the rest of the country.

[Keller]

What schtick is that exactly?

Where you ask me a question, I answer your question, and you respond with malice and contempt without even representing my answer honestly.

You're better than some of the riff raff, which is why I still engage with you. But I'd appreciate some civility.

I know, I know. Wrong forum for that.

[Keller]

Also from what I understand the states have much more capacity than they are utilizing if they utilized private businesses to help with the testing but a lot of states are for some reason only testing through their state laboratories, at least that's what Trump and Birx and et al keep saying.

I've honestly been searching for a cogent explanation on the lack of testing.

As best I can tell, we have a shortage of nasal swabs.

I've not seen anything about bottlenecks on processing tests.

[Tgo01]

Where you ask me a question, I answer your question, and you respond with malice and contempt without even representing my answer honestly.

You're better than some of the riff raff, which is why I still engage with you. But I'd appreciate some civility.

I know, I know. Wrong forum for that.

Your answer was bogus to begin with. I asked if you realized the current situation wasn't sustainable for much longer and if you still think we should keep doing this for weeks or even months longer, to which you replied things aren't changing for your family (that's the bogus part, I didn't ask about just your family) until we get a vaccine. Sure you listed other things but those were equally as unreasonable as to when we should finally start opening back up. An effective clinical treatment? That could also be months away or longer. Demonstrated herd immunity? We might never see that until we get a vaccine.

You also mentioned more testing but as I pointed out the experts on the task force say people such as yourself are focusing entirely too much on this "more testing" shit that the media keeps pushing out.

By all means, Keller, if you want to shelter in your home for another 12-18+ months then you do you. But stop trying to drag everyone else down in your insanity and step out of the way of the people who don't have the resources you do and need to start earning a living again to take care of their family.

[Tgo01]

I've not seen anything about bottlenecks on processing tests.

That's basically what Admiral Giroir said today and it's what the experts on the task force have been saying for a while now.

Here is the transcript of him answering the exact question about 27 million tests:


SINCE I WAS THE ONE WHO SAID THAT, LET ME EXPLAIN WHERE WE ARE, WHERE WE WORK. I WAS GETTING CORRECT INFORMATION ABOUT THE ACTUAL TESTS THAT ARE IN THE MARKETPLACE. IF YOU WANT TO USE THOSE METRICS, THERE HAVE BEEN OVER 40 MILLION IN THE MARKETPLACE. WE HAVE AN END TO AND ISSUE WE NEEDED TO DEAL WITH AND THAT IS WHAT WE HAVE BEEN DEALING WITH, THE SWABS, THE TRANSPORT MEDIA. IF WE DON'T HAVE PEOPLE UTILIZING THE MACHINES THE WAY DR. BIRX IS TALKING ABOUT, WE HAVE SOME OF OUR MAIN PLATFORMS THAT ARE ONLY 10% UTILIZED. YOU CAN HAVE A LOT OF TESTS IN THE MARKET AND THOSE ARE CORRECT NUMBERS, BUT IT DOES -- IF THE MACHINES ARE NOT UTILIZED AND ORGANIZED AT THAT LEVEL, THEY ARE NOT THE IN UTILIZED TO ITS FULLEST.

[Archigeek]

Poland and Denmark tell companies registered in tax havens they won't be getting any bailouts. Makes sense to me, let's do it too.

https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-companies-tax-havens-banned-denmark-poland-bailout-2020-4

[Seran]

That's basically what Admiral Giroir said today and it's what the experts on the task force have been saying for a while now.

Here is the transcript of him answering the exact question about 27 million tests:

That guy said a whole lot of /nothing/ with that statement. The country was assured there'd be tens of millions tested by the end of March, but scarcely a tenth was actually tested and Admiral in Name Only Giroir did not clearly identify the cause, failed to inform on the plan to resolving the testing shortfalls and did nothing to reassure the country the problem would be resolved.

[Parkbandit]

Regards to opening the economy, I feel like this bill is going to be pushed through that will give all Americans $2k a month for the next 6 months, to help get through this whole scenario.


So what... 210 million adults... 12K each...

You want to do the math on that and tell me why that's a really dumb idea or do you need me to do it for you?

[Tgo01]

That guy said a whole lot of /nothing/ with that statement. The country was assured there'd be tens of millions tested by the end of March, but scarcely a tenth was actually tested and Admiral in Name Only Giroir did not clearly identify the cause, failed to inform on the plan to resolving the testing shortfalls and did nothing to reassure the country the problem would be resolved.

Admiral Giroir explains exactly what is going on.
Seran: That's a whole lot of nothing because I don't understand what I'm reading! Therefore I choose to remain outraged!

We get it, Seran.

[Tgo01]

Trump said he's going to sign an executive order to temporarily suspend all immigration to the US!

Holy shit! I guess Trump sat there watching Democrats abuse this crisis to get their entire wish list and thought "Shit, I might as well get in on this action too!"

[Wrathbringer]

Quarantine is reserved for people who may have been exposed to a communicable disease but who are not (yet) sick. It’s a practice that the port of Venice established in the 14th century, when the Black Death raged: Inbound ships would be made to anchor offshore for 40 days (hence the Italian, quaranta) to give any disease that might be onboard time to show itself and run its course. Only then would sailors be permitted to disembark.

When separated from the general public for a period of time that’s as long as the incubation period for a disease, those who have been quarantined are less likely to spread it. And if they do become sick while in quarantine, they can be swept into isolation and treated quickly.


Isolation is what happens when a person is separated from others because he or she is confirmed to be infected and has developed symptoms.



From the CDC website:

What is the difference between quarantine and isolation?
Quarantine

Quarantine is used to keep someone who might have been exposed to COVID-19 away from others. Someone in self-quarantine stays separated from others, and they limit movement outside of their home or current place. A person may have been exposed to the virus without knowing it (for example, when traveling or out in the community), or they could have the virus without feeling symptoms. Quarantine helps limit further spread of COVID-19.

Isolation

Isolation is used to separate sick people from healthy people. People who are in isolation should stay home. In the home, anyone sick should separate themselves from others by staying in a specific “sick” bedroom or space and using a different bathroom (if possible).

So, after 11-14 days of "quarantine", and a person has proven not to have been exposed?

[Wrathbringer]

So what... 210 million adults... 12K each...

You want to do the math on that and tell me why that's a really dumb idea or do you need me to do it for you?

Once again, government's latest solution is worse than their last solution to the initial problem, which was worse than the initial problem.

[Solkern]

So what... 210 million adults... 12K each...

You want to do the math on that and tell me why that's a really dumb idea or do you need me to do it for you?

Where did I say, that it’s a good idea? Because I didn’t. I know it’s a dumb idea, and that’s why I think they are gonna try to push it through.

[Solkern]

So, after 11-14 days of "quarantine", and a person has proven not to have been exposed?

Dude, I don’t know the rules or regulations of how long quarantine is or should be. I just posted information that showed what you posted wasn’t accurate.
Im 99% positive there is no definitive answer to how long it should be.

I feel like no one knows what the hell to do and they are just winging it.

[Wrathbringer]

Dude, I don’t know the rules, regulations of how long quarantine is or should be. I just posted information that showed what you posted wasn’t accurate.
Im 99% positive there is no definitive answer to how long it should be.

You don't know the rules... exactly. I've posted nothing inaccurate. Quarantines last no longer, legally, than to determine exposure, which is a known duration. This indefinite restriction of healthy people and their livelihood is both illegal and immoral.

[Solkern]

Quarantine is the restriction of movement of the sick. Restricting the movement of healthy people is tyranny. Regardless of the potential damage from any perceived threat, government must err on the side of liberty. This is not China. Forcing the loss of livelihood, restricting movement of healthy persons, removing such liberties as the right to assemble, etc. are unconstitutional. Period.

That information is wrong. Quarantine isn’t the restriction of movement for the sick, Isolation is, and that is all i was referring to.
Quarantining people to stop the spread of a high contagious and deadly virus, is allowed by the constitution. Sadly there’s no definitive information or policy that states how long this quarantine can last or what it’s entitled to.

[Fortybox]

Dude, I don’t know anything.

We know

[Solkern]

I’m an idiot, that doesn’t know shit..

We all know to. Go move to Sweden.

[Fortybox]

Finally more studies are coming out that are saying exactly what I've been saying all along...the denominator in the equation is vastly understated. This virus likely has infected more people than we thought and is nowhere near as dangerous as "experts" thought.

People are going to be mad when they find out these lock downs were not the right call to make. The true pandemic is the economic freakout that took place, not the virus.

[Wrathbringer]

Finally more studies are coming out that are saying exactly what I've been saying all along...the denominator in the equation is vastly understated. This virus likely has infected more people than we thought and is nowhere near as dangerous as "experts" thought.

People are going to be mad when they find out these lock downs were not the right call to make. The true pandemic is the economic freakout that took place, not the virus.

This is correct.

[Methais]

I don't even. I can't. Just fuck.

He said, as he pined for a pumpkin spice latte.

[Methais]

I disagree. No amount of physical beauty can overcome how incredibly stupid she is. If she opened her mouth other than to use it as a dong holster, she'd ruin everything.

I'm not seeing where our stances differ here.

[Methais]

That guy said a whole lot of /nothing/ with that statement. The country was assured there'd be tens of millions tested by the end of March, but scarcely a tenth was actually tested and Admiral in Name Only Giroir did not clearly identify the cause, failed to inform on the plan to resolving the testing shortfalls and did nothing to reassure the country the problem would be resolved.

I guess you're just gonna have to vote for Biden then, right?

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Just learned because of my AGI, my stimulus check will arrive in August.

[Methais]

Just learned because of my AGI, my stimulus check will arrive in August.

Halflings have great AGI, so this makes sense.

In other news:
https://i.imgur.com/ALDplY3.png (https://twitter.com/ChuckRossDC/status/1252322580272381958)

[Gelston]

She deleted the fuck out of that tweet

[Neveragain]

She deleted the fuck out of that tweet

To a certain degree, I agree that this is the time to invest in a major infrastructure bill.

Trump should start the ball rolling by introducing a national public high speed railway. He could call it the Trump train. The liberal meltdown would be of epic proportion.

[Keller]

That's basically what Admiral Giroir said today and it's what the experts on the task force have been saying for a while now.

Here is the transcript of him answering the exact question about 27 million tests:

That was a word jumble, but it sounded like the testing centers were being under utilized and not over utilized. Isn't his 10 percent number meaning that testing capacity is at 10 percent - meaning they could handle a lot more tests?

[Tgo01]

That was a word jumble, but it sounded like the testing centers were being under utilized and not over utilized. Isn't his 10 percent number meaning that testing capacity is at 10 percent - meaning they could handle a lot more tests?

That's like exactly what I'm saying. If we are currently doing 125k a day, and our testing capacity is only being 10% utilized, then theoretically we could be doing 1,250,000 tests a day if the states fully utilized their testing capacity.

What he said is pretty clear. There have been over 40 million tests in the marketplace but they had other issues that they have worked on, those issues being swabs and transport media. Now that production of swabs and transport media have been ramped up the issue is states are only utilizing 10% of their testing capacity and thus aren't testing as fast as they could be.

Watch the daily press briefing if you truly want to stay informed. Much of the fake news going out there is because the media is insisting on spinning everything the administration is saying.

Here is yesterday's press briefing where this exact 27 million tests number was asked about and given an answer to:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZJUnhN5ETw

Question starts at around 1:04:10

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I'm no scientist or nutt'n, but having 40M tests in the market, that cannot be administered because of lack of swabs or whatever, means you have a 40M figure that means NOTHING.

Dude I have 40M in the bank and want to pay you, but I've only paid you 135K because the bank is taking a long time to process the withdraw. How much have I paid you?

[Tgo01]

I'm no scientist or nutt'n, but having 40M tests in the market, that cannot be administered because of lack of swabs or whatever, means you have a 40M figure that means NOTHING.

Dude I have 40M in the bank and want to pay you, but I've only paid you 135K because the bank is taking a long time to process the withdraw. How much have I paid you?

He said a separate issue at the time (March 21st) was a lack of swabs and transport media but that the US has ramped up production of those items and now the problem is the states aren't utilizing their full testing capacity.

[Methais]

https://i.imgur.com/WtA6Uua.png

[Tgo01]

https://i.imgur.com/WtA6Uua.png

Fake news gonna fake.

[Tgo01]

Pelosi said the House won't return to DC until May 4th "absent an emergency."

Well there you have it! Time to open the country back up! There is currently no emergency.

[Methais]

Pelosi said the House won't return to DC until May 4th "absent an emergency."

Well there you have it! Time to open the country back up! There is currently no emergency.

So either...

- We're in a national state of emergency and they need to go back NOWWWWWWWWWWWW.

or

- There's no emergency and everyone can go back to work.

Perhaps Keller can show us the math behind this logic.

[Tgo01]

Perhaps Keller can show us the math behind this logic.

Pelosi is a Democrat therefore she's doing a great job and this is all Trump's fault!

Also nothing to see here! (https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2020/04/21/what_a_prolonged_shutdown_will_cost_in_human_life. html)


After only a few weeks of lockdown, calls to crisis hotlines increased from 1,000 to 25,000 a day in Indiana and 8,900% (Los Angeles), with the latter reporting that one in five calls express “suicidal desire.”

But let's keep the lockdowns going even longer!

[Fortybox]

Pelosi said the House won't return to DC until May 4th "absent an emergency."

Well there you have it! Time to open the country back up! There is currently no emergency.

Pelosi needs her ice cream.

[~Rocktar~]

To a certain degree, I agree that this is the time to invest in a major infrastructure bill.

Trump should start the ball rolling by introducing a national public high speed railway. He could call it the Trump train. The liberal meltdown would be of epic proportion.

This would, indeed, be epic, we could build it across the country and stop at the Kommiefornia border since they can't manage to make a few miles of train with over a billion dollars.

[~Rocktar~]

Fake news gonna fake.

Facebook marked this as fake and their "fact checker" said it was caused by a website glitch.

LUL

[~Rocktar~]

Pelosi is a Democrat therefore she's doing a great job and this is all Trump's fault!

Also nothing to see here! (https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2020/04/21/what_a_prolonged_shutdown_will_cost_in_human_life. html)



But let's keep the lockdowns going even longer!

The hidden human cost, suicide, lack of "elective" surgeries, homelessness, depression and so on, all perfectly fine casualties in the Left's war to save us from this fakepandemic.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I just paid all my bills and I'm in crisis. My wife was "refurloughed" from her second job - apparently hospitals aren't expected to need nurses to check for employees having virus's after next week.

I feel like we should apply for unemployment, or underemployment but my ego wont allow it. My taxes say I deserve it, but I'm not at the point yet where I feel like I should take my share away from say... restaurant workers.

I won't get there unless I"m laid off or reduced in pay, but still... I really hate socialism.

[Tgo01]

I just paid all my bills and I'm in crisis. My wife was "refurloughed" from her second job - apparently hospitals aren't expected to need nurses to check for employees having virus's after next week.

I feel like we should apply for unemployment, or underemployment but my ego wont allow it. My taxes say I deserve it, but I'm not at the point yet where I feel like I should take my share away from say... restaurant workers.

I won't get there unless I"m laid off or reduced in pay, but still... I really hate socialism.

That sucks about your wife's job. Why would hospitals stop screening employees after next week? That makes no sense.

Also your wife should take the money, it's not like this shutdown is her fault.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

That sucks about your wife's job. Why would hospitals stop screening employees after next week? That makes no sense.

Yeah that's what I said - I'm thinking the hospital has more insight into when the distancing will lift and they are anticipating in the next two weeks? Our city is locked down until May 15th per the mayor... but maybe some easing in the future?

edit to add: I've thought about taking the governments money, but honestly I think it's spent elsewhere, better. I'm not suffering like I imagine others are... I just resent it?

[Neveragain]

I just paid all my bills and I'm in crisis. My wife was "refurloughed" from her second job - apparently hospitals aren't expected to need nurses to check for employees having virus's after next week.

I feel like we should apply for unemployment, or underemployment but my ego wont allow it. My taxes say I deserve it, but I'm not at the point yet where I feel like I should take my share away from say... restaurant workers.

I won't get there unless I"m laid off or reduced in pay, but still... I really hate socialism.

I wouldn't wait. Unemployment insurance costs are a hidden part of your/her wage anyway.

P.S. Even if you don't need the funds, buy up some food and give it to a local food bank.

[Alfster]

Yeah they're furloughing nurses in my area too. Mandates to shutdown for elective surgeries have kept them from having many patients because...we live in a county that has no new cases since April 1st.

[Neveragain]

My oldest daughter was furloughed from her RN position a couple weeks ago. Luckily, she had a new position secured in oncology.

She starts working on her masters this summer, I'm super stoked for when I can call her doctor.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I'm actually floored we are talking about nurses being furloughed. From the news, you'd expect it to be chaos in the hospitals and all hands on deck. I thought it was just my wife in her one off position testing employees.

[Tgo01]

I'm actually floored we are talking about nurses being furloughed. From the news, you'd expect it to be chaos in the hospitals and all hands on deck. I thought it was just my wife in her one off position testing employees.

Have you seen all of those videos of nurses in hospitals that have so much down time they perform silly choreographed dances?

Hospitals are hurting big time because almost all procedures have been deemed "elective", even cancer screenings. Oh but not abortions of course in some states, those are totally essential.

[Gelston]

I'm actually floored we are talking about nurses being furloughed. From the news, you'd expect it to be chaos in the hospitals and all hands on deck. I thought it was just my wife in her one off position testing employees.

I think due to elective surgeries and non-essential surgeries being put on hold the Hospitals just aren't busy as normal.

[Tgo01]

Fuck these fucking reporters.

Democrats have been having a field day using this virus to push for each and every single one of their agenda items, even going so far as holding up aid to both people and businesses in order to exact concessions for their agenda. The media hasn't given them even the slightest bit of shit for this.

Trump announces he is planning to ban all immigration and less than 24 fucking hours later a reporter asked: "Are you using this virus and this crisis to follow through on your campaign promise of reducing legal immigration?"

Fuck these fucking pieces of shit. Just fuck them right in the fucking ass.

[Tgo01]

Yay more questions about those darn governors daring to go against the media's narrative that they stay shut down forever!

Reporter: Dr. Birx, Georgia is planning on opening up parts of the economy soon, isn't that a bad thing?!?!? What's your message to them?!??!?!!

What happened to "The federal government isn't run by tyrants! Let the governors choose for themselves!!!!"

Looks like the media was so gosh darn sure that the governors would all keep the states closed for several more months and now that they are opening up even sooner than the federal government originally suggested the media and Democrats are trying to get the federal government to tell them to stop it.

[Risen]

I took a break from the fretting and bashing. I discovered this. Worth the time investment.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zk11vI-7czE&feature=youtu.be

[Seran]

Yay more questions about those darn governors daring to go against the media's narrative that they stay shut down forever!

Reporter: Dr. Birx, Georgia is planning on opening up parts of the economy soon, isn't that a bad thing?!?!? What's your message to them?!??!?!!

What happened to "The federal government isn't run by tyrants! Let the governors choose for themselves!!!!"

Looks like the media was so gosh darn sure that the governors would all keep the states closed for several more months and now that they are opening up even sooner than the federal government originally suggested the media and Democrats are trying to get the federal government to tell them to stop it.

Oh no, the media is asking for informed opinions from experts. Whatever shall we do

[Archigeek]

A video on how to reopen from the pandemic, by my favorite mathematician, Vi Hart. Makes a lot of sense to me.

https://youtu.be/HhRQxk9QA-o

[Tgo01]

A video on how to reopen from the pandemic, by my favorite mathematician, Vi Hart. Makes a lot of sense to me.

https://youtu.be/HhRQxk9QA-o

Keep things how they are now until July? Yeah, no, they ain't gonna work. People are already suffering because they have no income and no food and these people are supposed to just keep toughing it out until July at the earliest and possibly through August?

Seems like the people who still have a job and money are the ones advocating for extended shutdowns at the expense of those who don't have a job and money.

[Archigeek]

Keep things how they are now until July? Yeah, no, they ain't gonna work. People are already suffering because they have no income and no food and these people are supposed to just keep toughing it out until July at the earliest and possibly through August?

Seems like the people who still have a job and money are the ones advocating for extended shutdowns at the expense of those who don't have a job and money.

She explains the difference between what she's suggesting, a 4 stage return to normal, and what will happen if we stop too much too quickly. I'm not sure you understand that the underlying reason for our failing economy is a virus. We can have waves of up and down because we move too quickly, or we can have a staged return that restores confidence. Do you think everyone's going to just all go back to normal with the flip of a switch? Do you think all those restaurants that are currently closed are going to go back to busy if the people don't have confidence that we're doing it the right way? I think their proposal is pretty well thought out, and is built for the long term.

We'll find out one way or another.

[Solkern]

She explains the difference between what she's suggesting, a 4 stage return to normal, and what will happen if we stop too much too quickly. I'm not sure you understand that the underlying reason for our failing economy is a virus. We can have waves of up and down because we move too quickly, or we can have a staged return that restores confidence. Do you think everyone's going to just all go back to normal with the flip of a switch? Do you think all those restaurants that are currently closed are going to go back to busy if the people don't have confidence that we're doing it the right way? I think their proposal is pretty well thought out, and is built for the long term.

We'll find out one way or another.


I concur, opening the economy doesn’t mean people are going to jump out of their homes and things will go back to normal. Business is going to be extremely slow and that can cause more problems, on top of a possible second wave of the coronavirus, when we aren’t even through the first wave.
How are these small businesses going to remain afloat with no business, even though the economy is open? I believe the majority of the population is worried about the coronavirus, I have polls that support this.. but we all know polls mean jack shit.

It’s pretty much, a pick your poison scenario.

[Tgo01]

I'm not sure you understand that the underlying reason for our failing economy is a virus.

No the reason for our failing economy is a government enforced shutdown of the economy.


Do you think everyone's going to just all go back to normal with the flip of a switch? Do you think all those restaurants that are currently closed are going to go back to busy if the people don't have confidence that we're doing it the right way?

We have no idea. What we do know for certain is those restaurants are for sure going to remain empty if the government forces them to stay closed.

I really don't understand people who think this is sustainable for another 2+ months. Obama's health secretary says he wants to keep this going for another 12-18+ MONTHS.

The oil industry is already collapsing, the hospital system is already collapsing, the airline industry has pretty much already collapsed, the tourism industry is probably fucked for years already, taxis, restaurants, barbershops, salons, countless other industries are fucked and might not recover for months/years if at all, and we're only 5 weeks into this shutdown, do you really think we can survive this for another 8+ weeks?

22 million Americans have already lost their jobs, that's over 14% of the entire US workforce just gone in 5 weeks, it will probably go even higher in the coming weeks.

Eventually investors are going to realize that our economy is nothing but a house of cards and stop buying US debt. Honestly I'm surprised we have gotten away with it for this long but it's probably only because the rest of the world is also currently fucked so where else are they going to invest? But with Europe already opening up and with the US talking about extending this for another 2+ months investors are going to eventually say "Wait, what? The US government wants me to buy bonds so they can pay people to sit at home, pay businesses to remain closed, give money to state governments to fill their budget gaps due to decreased tax revenue, all the while federal tax revenue has taken a nosedive because of the aforementioned paying people to not work and paying businesses to remain closed."

[Tgo01]

Have people forgotten, or perhaps are just unaware, that right now almost all healthcare services have been suspended? This includes cancer screenings, regular checkups, things of that nature. How many people are going to have their cancer diagnosed too late now? How many people are going to succumb to mental illness because they couldn't get it diagnosed and treated in time? How many people are going to go on with undiagnosed high blood pressure or a myriad of other issues that you need to see a doctor in person for?

Literally every single person who advocates for this endless shutdown NEVER addresses these things, it's ALWAYS "we have to keep the shutdown going to save lives!" but they ONLY focus on the Wuhan flu.

Almost as if they have an ulterior motive for their shit.

I would listen to one of these arguments if they seriously and honestly took ALL aspects of the shutdown into account, including: increased deaths from the continued shutdown, increased poverty from the continued shutdown, increased mental health issues from the continued shutdown, increased domestic violence from the increased shutdown, increased crime from the continued shutdown, and compared it all to the supposed good the continued shutdown would provide.

But it seems no one wants to talk about the negative aspects of the continued shutdown. No. People like me and my concerns are merely brushed aside as nothing more than me just being a selfish prick because I want to go eat at Fuddruckers and I don't care how many people I kill.

You all have to realize you are being played with this shit. You can't honestly say there are no downsides to the continued shutdown, yet why do you accept these arguments for continued shutdown without question when they never discuss the downsides?

[Solkern]

Have people forgotten, or perhaps are just unaware, that right now almost all healthcare services have been suspended? This includes cancer screenings, regular checkups, things of that nature. How many people are going to have their cancer diagnosed too late now? How many people are going to succumb to mental illness because they couldn't get it diagnosed and treated in time? How many people are going to go on with undiagnosed high blood pressure or a myriad of other issues that you need to see a doctor in person for?

Literally every single person who advocates for this endless shutdown NEVER addresses these things, it's ALWAYS "we have to keep the shutdown going to save lives!" but they ONLY focus on the Wuhan flu.

Almost as if they have an ulterior motive for their shit.

I would listen to one of these arguments if they seriously and honestly took ALL aspects of the shutdown into account, including: increased deaths from the continued shutdown, increased poverty from the continued shutdown, increased mental health issues from the continued shutdown, increased domestic violence from the increased shutdown, and compared it all to the supposed good the continued shutdown would provide.

But it seems no one wants to talk about the negative aspects of the continued shutdown. No. People like me and my concerns are merely brushed aside as nothing more than me just being a selfish prick because I want to go eat at Fuddruckers and I don't care how many people I kill.

You all have to realize you are being played with this shit. You can't honestly say there are no downsides to the continued shutdown, yet why do you accept these arguments for continued shutdown without question when they never discuss the downsides?

Fair point, but what about the other side? How many lives have been saved from the car accidents that aren’t happening? The list can go on and on as well to argue the other side.

But dragging in all these what about, what about, isn’t a sensible argument as the list can go both ways.
The simple fact is, we have a Highly contagious and deadly pandemic happening in America right now and no matter which way we go people are going to die and people are going to suffer. I’m assuming the government officials are prioritizing stopping a highly contagious virus. Key word being contagious. The things you listed, aren’t contagious.
No, this is nothing like the flu, and every respected doctor will tell you, to not compare it to the flu in any way.

Opening the economy, will solve what exactly? It’s pretty widely accepted that opening the economy doesn’t mean business and life will go anywhere near back to normal, most experts say the economy will probably stay the same or have little improvement. Then a second huge wave comes and we need to shut down businesses again? Do you really want this rollercoaster to happen?

And damn, Fuddruckers sounds good as hell right now!

[Archigeek]

The economic collapse remains if we open everything up without a good plan to contain the virus. And yeah we do know a ton of businesses will go under if there's no confidence that we're safe to go out and do the things we'd like to do.

If you watch the video, it makes a pretty compelling case for what happens if we come back without a solid containment plan: we get waves of rolling opening/shutting down. I'd much prefer a well planned staged reopening, backed by a testing and contact tracing program in place.