Wuhan Virus

[Tgo01]

Democrats didn't get everything in their goody bag in the bailout bill but they did get some. Most notably 100 million dollars or whatever for the Kennedy Center, because that's important.

What's really bogus is the increase to unemployment benefits: the federal government is giving an INCREASE (meaning in addition to what the state pays you) of 600 dollars (15 dollars an hour at 40 hours a week, nice one, Dems).

Depending on the state people could be earning 1,000-1,100 dollars a week or more on unemployment.

Imagine these poor saps working at grocery stores and McDonald's, making 10 dollars an hour and risking infection every single day, and some dude just quits his job and makes 25 dollars an hour for 39 weeks.

I honestly can't believe this was put in the bill. Surely some limitations should have been put in? Like UP TO 600 dollars a week from the federal government but you can't make more money than you did while you were working. Or I could even understand the 600 dollars a week for as long as the federal government was forcing your place of business to close down, but as soon as your employer is allowed to open back up and they call you back you either have to go back to work or give up your unemployment benefits.

I'm wondering how many businesses are going to suddenly find themselves short on labor when the economy opens back up because people are making almost as much as a nurse does but without the long, stressful hours and daily worries of contracting the virus themselves.

[Candor]

Democrats didn't get everything in their goody bag in the bailout bill but they did get some. Most notably 100 million dollars or whatever for the Kennedy Center, because that's important.

I agree with your point, but I believe the correct figure is approximately $35 million.


What's really bogus is the increase to unemployment benefits: the federal government is giving an INCREASE (meaning in addition to what the state pays you) of 600 dollars (15 dollars an hour at 40 hours a week, nice one, Dems).

The Democrats are using this package to get the US closer to socialism - raising unemployment benefits is a step towards that goal. I realize you know that, but perhaps it's not apparent to a few here.

[Neveragain]

Hmmm, I kind of don't have a problem giving the workforce a means of leverage that makes employers pay a wage that provides people with lifes necessities.

[Parkbandit]

Hmmm, I kind of don't have a problem giving the workforce a means of leverage that makes employers pay a wage that provides people with lifes necessities.

It doesn't though. It literally means that if you remain on unemployment, you will be making more money than if you went back to work.

So we're paying people to remain unemployed.

[Neveragain]

It doesn't though. It literally means that if you remain on unemployment, you will be making more money than if you went back to work.

So we're paying people to remain unemployed.

They will go to work if they are paid more than what the program would offer. It provides a baseline that provides people with basic needs so they can leverage employers without the threat of living under a bridge.

[Parkbandit]

They will go to work if they are paid more than what the program would offer. It provides a baseline that provides people with basic needs so they can leverage employers without the threat of living under a bridge.

You should take a remedial economics course.

[Neveragain]

You should take a remedial economics course.

It's pretty simple actually. If you want to do business in the US you have to help pay for a society that provides a healthy standard of living for all of it's citizens.

[~Rocktar~]

You should take any economics course.

ftfy

[~Rocktar~]

It's pretty simple actually. If you want to do business in the US you have to help pay for a society that provides a healthy standard of living for all of it's citizens.

Raising minimum wages does not increase prosperity, it drives inflation. See Seattle and NYC for the effects of raising minimum wage, business loss, job loss, increased unemployment expenses.

[Parkbandit]

It's pretty simple actually. If you want to do business in the US you have to help pay for a society that provides a healthy standard of living for all of it's citizens.

Why is $15 an hour a healthy standard of living? Why not $20? $25? $50?

Imagine if we paid our employees $100 an hour.. they could afford a MUCH better life.

[Parkbandit]

Raising minimum wages does not increase prosperity, it drives inflation. See Seattle and NYC for the effects of raising minimum wage, business loss, job loss, increased unemployment expenses.

You should shut your stinking face and let Neveragain work through this himself.

[~Rocktar~]

You should shut your stinking face and let Neveragain work through this himself.

I'm sorry I ruined his AH HA moment and your teaching moment.

~goes across the living room back to work~

[Neveragain]

Raising minimum wages does not increase prosperity, it drives inflation. See Seattle and NYC for the effects of raising minimum wage, business loss, job loss, increased unemployment expenses.

If we're going to prevent inflation, then there can be no bailouts.

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[Parkbandit]

If we're going to prevent inflation, then there can be no bailouts.

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Thanks for ruining this for me Rocktar... you asshole.

[Neveragain]

Thanks for ruining this for me Rocktar... you asshole.

This what this has lead to.

A national crisis that has exposed decades of neglect to an infrastructure that is ill equipped to meet the demands of a functioning society.

Amazingly the wealthiest among us have been the first in line with there hands out, because they can't do business in a non-functioning society.

[Archigeek]

If we're going to prevent inflation, then there can be no bailouts.

https://media3.giphy.com/media/xT9Igqz02TEWXq0wMw/source.gif

This is one of my concerns. When you hear politicians complaining that government borrowing shouldn't need to be secured, what they're actually asking for is permission to just start printing money.

Also, the virus doesn't give a shit about economic stimulus. There will be no healthy economy until we're at least over the hump with the virus. Important note: trying to push that date forward instead of trying to slow things down will make it worse, not better. Far worse. One of the problems right now is that the shutdowns exempt "essential services" and everyone seems to be an essential service.

[Neveragain]

This is one of my concerns. When you hear politicians complaining that government borrowing shouldn't need to be secured, what they're actually asking for is permission to just start printing money.

Also, the virus doesn't give a shit about economic stimulus. There will be no healthy economy until we're at least over the hump with the virus. Important note: trying to push that date forward instead of trying to slow things down will make it worse, not better. Far worse. One of the problems right now is that the shutdowns exempt "essential services" and everyone seems to be an essential service.

Besides the current threat, my biggest fear is that we don't do anything with our infrastructure when this is over. If we can manage to get out of our own way the economic boom would last decades.

I know it would be terrible to have a public health clinic in every neighborhood.

[Parkbandit]

This what this has lead to.

wut?


A national crisis that has exposed decades of neglect to an infrastructure that is ill equipped to meet the demands of a functioning society.

What specific infrastructure is ill equipped that you believe we should have in place so every 100 years when a pandemic hits, we will be better prepared for it?


Amazingly the wealthiest among us have been the first in line with there hands out, because they can't do business in a non-functioning society.

I don't remember seeing Steve Jobs, Warren Buffet, Mark Zuckerburg, Larry Page, Michael Bloomberg, Larry Ellison, Sergy Brin or Steve Balmer looking for a handout. Got a link?

3 1/2 million people signed up for unemployment... are you saying those 3 1/2 billion are the wealthiest among us?

[Parkbandit]

This is one of my concerns. When you hear politicians complaining that government borrowing shouldn't need to be secured, what they're actually asking for is permission to just start printing money.

Also, the virus doesn't give a shit about economic stimulus. There will be no healthy economy until we're at least over the hump with the virus. Important note: trying to push that date forward instead of trying to slow things down will make it worse, not better. Far worse. One of the problems right now is that the shutdowns exempt "essential services" and everyone seems to be an essential service.

This is far less severe than what we were told. Having an end date goal to just start back up is a good thing.

Specifically, how is saying "We're going to start getting back to work around April 15th" making it worse?

[Archigeek]

This is far less severe than what we were told. Having an end date goal to just start back up is a good thing.

Specifically, how is saying "We're going to start getting back to work around April 15th" making it worse?

I agree that goals are good, but when you set goals that have no basis in the projections that are being made by experts in the field, you're doing a disservice to all those who are working towards attainable goals. That's what makes it worse. The president (I presume you were referring to his comments) has tremendous ability to chart our course here, but this isn't a crisis that can be solved with wishful thinking. For example: will the economy be better if we go back to work early and hospitals are overwhelmed and the death rate skyrockets? Because that is what the experts are predicting. I appreciate his desire to get things back to normal, but an early return will have the opposite effect.

[Neveragain]

wut?



What specific infrastructure is ill equipped that you believe we should have in place so every 100 years when a pandemic hits, we will be better prepared for it?



I don't remember seeing Steve Jobs, Warren Buffet, Mark Zuckerburg, Larry Page, Michael Bloomberg, Larry Ellison, Sergy Brin or Steve Balmer looking for a handout. Got a link?

3 1/2 million people signed up for unemployment... are you saying those 3 1/2 billion are the wealthiest among us?

900,000 hospital beds for 330,000,000 citizens, for one.

https://i.imgur.com/sCCReVBg.jpg

[Stolis]

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/26/weekly-jobless-claims.html

Jobless claims soar past 3 million to record high

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/25/california-sees-one-million-unemployment-claims-in-less-than-two-weeks.html

California sees 1 million unemployment claims in less than two weeks

The Department of Housing and Urban Development's 2019 homeless assessment tallied more than 151,000 homeless people in California, a 16.4% increase from the year before

So... California, as usual, is a big part of the problem?

[Neveragain]

I agree that goals are good, but when you set goals that have no basis in the projections that are being made by experts in the field, you're doing a disservice to all those who are working towards attainable goals. That's what makes it worse. The president (I presume you were referring to his comments) has tremendous ability to chart our course here, but this isn't a crisis that can be solved with wishful thinking. For example: will the economy be better if we go back to work early and hospitals are overwhelmed and the death rate skyrockets? Because that is what the experts are predicting. I appreciate his desire to get things back to normal, but an early return will have the opposite effect.

PB would still have our national arsenal stocked with 100 flintlock rifles, so there's that.

[Parkbandit]

I agree that goals are good, but when you set goals that have no basis in the projections that are being made by experts in the field, you're doing a disservice to all those who are working towards attainable goals. That's what makes it worse. The president (I presume you were referring to his comments) has tremendous ability to chart our course here, but this isn't a crisis that can be solved with wishful thinking. For example: will the economy be better if we go back to work early and hospitals are overwhelmed and the death rate skyrockets? Because that is what the experts are predicting. I appreciate his desire to get things back to normal, but an early return will have the opposite effect.

I've seen what these "experts" have predicted.. so far it looks like it's well, well below that.

And you did hear Trump say he will listen to the "experts" and have a timeline that they also believe is possible, right? Or are you just listening to "Easter" and saying "WE CAN'T PUT A DATE ON THIS!!!"?

[Parkbandit]

900,000 hospital beds for 330,000,000 citizens, for one.

https://i.imgur.com/sCCReVBg.jpg

So, in your head.. we should have 1 hospital bed for every man, woman and child in this country JUST in case we have a pandemic arise that would hospitalize everyone?

[Parkbandit]

PB would still have our national arsenal stocked with 100 flintlock rifles, so there's that.

Where did I say that?

But YOU did say we need 330,000,000 hospital beds.... literally.

On a scale from Backlash to 10.. how dumb are you being right now?

[Tgo01]

They will go to work if they are paid more than what the program would offer. It provides a baseline that provides people with basic needs so they can leverage employers without the threat of living under a bridge.

It’s only providing leverage to those who lost their jobs or decided to quit and managed to still get unemployment, the saps showing up to work everyday for their job at the grocery store making 10-12 bucks an hour don’t get anything.

[Archigeek]

I've seen what these "experts" have predicted.. so far it looks like it's well, well below that.

And you did hear Trump say he will listen to the "experts" and have a timeline that they also believe is possible, right? Or are you just listening to "Easter" and saying "WE CAN'T PUT A DATE ON THIS!!!"?

The trouble is he's not backing it up. I don't see the expert out there, laying out what the predictions are, there's no real evidence that he makes his decisions based on data or facts. Him saying he's listening is pretty small comfort. He has a long history of going with his gut on things, and not listening to experts.

[Tgo01]

The trouble is he's not backing it up. I don't see the expert out there, laying out what the predictions are, there's no real evidence that he makes his decisions based on data or facts. Him saying he's listening is pretty small comfort. He has a long history of going with his gut on things, and not listening to experts.

You think he shut down large sections of the economy based on his gut and not the experts?

He also has ECONOMIC advisers, not just health ones, who are probably telling him the damage to the economy will be irreversible if we keep the economy shut down much longer.

At some point we will have a tough decision to make: will more people die to the virus, or die due to depression for losing their job and being locked in their homes/die due to lack of food or healthcare because they can no longer afford it.

People are acting like the US government and economy are indestructible, and in normal times they are, but shutting down the economy for months is not normal times and that can easily take us back to the 1920’s.

[Parkbandit]

The trouble is he's not backing it up. I don't see the expert out there, laying out what the predictions are, there's no real evidence that he makes his decisions based on data or facts. Him saying he's listening is pretty small comfort. He has a long history of going with his gut on things, and not listening to experts.

You might be watching the wrong programming then. VP is on every single day, around 5-6PM with an update. Trump has been on TV with those same experts almost every day saying the same thing.

Stop watching CNN if you want to actually know what is going on.

[Tgo01]

I really don't see the problem here. Everyone had a month to learn social distancing, not to touch their face, wash their hands more often, etc, if they haven't learned it after a month then they will never learn it and we might as well all stay home forever.

We gave people a month to pull their heads out of their ass, now it's time to get back to work. I still think everyone who can work from home should be forced to work from home for now, because why the hell not?

And there ya go. Tgo01 for president.

[Tgo01]

I really don't see the problem here. Everyone had a month to learn social distancing, not to touch their face, wash their hands more often, etc, if they haven't learned it after a month then they will never learn it and we might as well all stay home forever.

We gave people a month to pull their heads out of their ass, now it's time to get back to work. I still think everyone who can work from home should be forced to work from home for now, because why the hell not?

And there ya go. Tgo01 for president.

Also fire anyone who doesn't cover their sneeze or cough with their elbow or a tissue or something. Seriously we could eliminate 99.99% of all cases if people covered their cough and sneeze, practiced social distancing as much as possible, washed their hands after touching commonly touched surfaces, and stopped touching their faces.

But no let's allow everyone to suffer because of some dumb asses who need more than a month to learn their lesson.

[Some Rogue]

Well Gemstone players have a lot more experience with social distancing than the average person.

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[Archigeek]

You might be watching the wrong programming then. VP is on every single day, around 5-6PM with an update. Trump has been on TV with those same experts almost every day saying the same thing.

Stop watching CNN if you want to actually know what is going on.

I don't watch CNN. Having experts stand behind you and occasionally correct you is not the same as listening to experts. Contrast what he does, with various governors who are talking to their people, explaining the projections and what we should expect, and how we're going to deal with it in detail, why, etc. It's night and day difference from, "I think it will all just go away."

[Risen]

This is kind of like Trump declaring success in activating the national guard. Clue - he didn't. Trump also stated that his emergency measures include providing funding for the states' guardsmen to be activated. Bottom line, the states that choose to activate (as is their right and as all 50 states have done) won't lose money out of their state treasuries for the activation, at this time. But that will likely change the instant Trump announces his "back to work" deadline.

No matter the source of news, the twitteresque sound-bite style of communication is #fail unless the receiver has a basic understanding of how the shit is supposed to work anyway and can bridge all of the important facts one needs to know about a situation.

And experts? Any expert is going to speak from his domain of expertise. Do we have an existing socio-economic-legal-trade-international relations-security expert with proven pandemic leadership experience? That would be someone worth getting a soundbite or two from. I doubt that such an individual exists. That's a lot of skill and experience in one individual.

[Seran]

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/26/weekly-jobless-claims.html

Jobless claims soar past 3 million to record high

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/25/california-sees-one-million-unemployment-claims-in-less-than-two-weeks.html

California sees 1 million unemployment claims in less than two weeks

The Department of Housing and Urban Development's 2019 homeless assessment tallied more than 151,000 homeless people in California, a 16.4% increase from the year before

So... California, as usual, is a big part of the problem?

California's seeing a huge influx of people who have been out of work for years or have never worked and are simply applying thinking they'll get $600 a week from the Federal government. It's actually happening in all states right now

[Tgo01]

California's seeing a huge influx of people who have been out of work for years or have never worked and are simply applying thinking they'll get $600 a week from the Federal government. It's actually happening in all states right now

Can you blame them? Democrats for years have been promising to give money away to people who want to sit at home and it looks like they finally got their wish, all it took for them was threatening to hold the entire US economy hostage along with all Americans who want to work and earn a living.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

California's seeing a huge influx of people who have been out of work for years or have never worked and are simply applying thinking they'll get $600 a week from the Federal government. It's actually happening in all states right now

don't you have to have worked (recently), to qualify for unemployment?

[Archigeek]

Well Gemstone players have a lot more experience with social distancing than the average person.

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/415698570478485504/689587249288839184/image.png?width=403&height=453

We probably also have a lot of community members who fit into high risk categories, so it's a good thing they're socially distancing!

[Parkbandit]

I don't watch CNN. Having experts stand behind you and occasionally correct you is not the same as listening to experts. Contrast what he does, with various governors who are talking to their people, explaining the projections and what we should expect, and how we're going to deal with it in detail, why, etc. It's night and day difference from, "I think it will all just go away."

The projections are off by large sums. This isn't as bad as most "experts" have predicted it would be at this time.

I'm sure the general consensus of these "experts" will be "Well, had you not shut down when you did, it would have been as bad as we said it would be. Also, Trump bad"

[Parkbandit]

don't you have to have worked (recently), to qualify for unemployment?

I really hope the federal government isn't just passing out checks for $1200 to anyone and everyone.

[Tgo01]

I'm sure the general consensus of these "experts" will be "Well, had you not shut down when you did, it would have been as bad as we said it would be. Also, Trump bad"

Yeah the "experts" and media really can't lose with this one.

They will either be correct, God forbid, or they will be way off at which point they will say "That's only because we forced Trump to listen to us! Without us we would all be dead!"

[Neveragain]

Where did I say that?

But YOU did say we need 330,000,000 hospital beds.... literally.

On a scale from Backlash to 10.. how dumb are you being right now?

That's not what I said at all. I just don't believe 900,000 beds is enough for 330,000,000 citizens. The $10,000 dollar per night hospital stay suggests that I'm correct.

[Neveragain]

don't you have to have worked (recently), to qualify for unemployment?

Yes, and you just can't quit your job and get unemployment.

[Tgo01]

Yes, and you just can't quit your job and get unemployment.

There are actually exceptions where you can quit your job and collect unemployment, one of the reasons is if you quit because you felt unsafe at work.

I can't think of a better time in US history where someone can claim they quit their job because they felt unsafe at work. Shit, I don't see why every single grocery store worker doesn't quit their job because they feel unsafe and start making more money on unemployment than when they were working. Honestly other than hospital workers I would think grocery store workers and restaurant employees are among the highest risk group right about now, but they are deemed essential so they are pretty much fucked over right now by this Democratic cash giveaway.

[Gelston]

I really hope the federal government isn't just passing out checks for $1200 to anyone and everyone.

Everyone legally in the US, citizen or not, that makes under 99k or 198k if joint filed gets it. If you didn't file in the last two years, you still have a means to receive it.

[Methais]

I agree that goals are good, but when you set goals that have no basis in the projections that are being made by experts in the field, you're doing a disservice to all those who are working towards attainable goals. That's what makes it worse. The president (I presume you were referring to his comments) has tremendous ability to chart our course here, but this isn't a crisis that can be solved with wishful thinking. For example: will the economy be better if we go back to work early and hospitals are overwhelmed and the death rate skyrockets? Because that is what the experts are predicting. I appreciate his desire to get things back to normal, but an early return will have the opposite effect.

Which specific experts? Because I've noticed over the years that most experts are fucking idiots.

[Methais]

Also fire anyone who doesn't cover their sneeze or cough with their elbow or a tissue or something. Seriously we could eliminate 99.99% of all cases if people covered their cough and sneeze, practiced social distancing as much as possible, washed their hands after touching commonly touched surfaces, and stopped touching their faces.

But no let's allow everyone to suffer because of some dumb asses who need more than a month to learn their lesson.

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[Gelston]

Something I DO expect to see come of this is businesses realizing they don't need huge offices and that people can work from home for many of the jobs out there today. Virtual offices are the future.

[Neveragain]

There are actually exceptions where you can quit your job and collect unemployment, one of the reasons is if you quit because you felt unsafe at work.

I can't think of a better time in US history where someone can claim they quit their job because they felt unsafe at work. Shit, I don't see why every single grocery store worker doesn't quit their job because they feel unsafe and start making more money on unemployment than when they were working. Honestly other than hospital workers I would think grocery store workers and restaurant employees are among the highest risk group right about now, but they are deemed essential so they are pretty much fucked over right now by this Democratic cash giveaway.

I wouldn't blame anyone for not working right now. We have a national contingency plan for times like this, nobody wants to be the one to pull the trigger.

We have a giant hole in our national security, we have to fix it. Terrorists are drawing up plans right now, I guarantee it.

Weird how grocery store and restaurant workers are deemed unworthy of being paid a wage that supplies for basic needs.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Weird how grocery store and restaurant workers are deemed unworthy of being paid a wage that supplies for basic needs.


Also weird? How you don't need any education or skills to work at a grocery store or restaurant, and as soon as those no skill positions cost too much, we'll get robots.

[Tgo01]

I wouldn't blame anyone for not working right now. We have a national contingency plan for times like this, nobody wants to be the one to pull the trigger.

What exactly is the national contingency plan for no one working?

[Neveragain]

What exactly is the national contingency plan for no one working?

Our national guard is designed to take over production and distribution in a national emergency. We wouldn't be having to cut checks for people.

[Gelston]

Weird how grocery store and restaurant workers are deemed unworthy of being paid a wage that supplies for basic needs.

The jobs require minimal skills to do, it isn't weird at all.

[Neveragain]

Also weird? How you don't need any education or skills to work at a grocery store or restaurant, and as soon as those no skill positions cost too much, we'll get robots.

I'm cool with robots, are you cool with 12+ million people sleeping in the streets?

[Neveragain]

The jobs require minimal skills to do, it isn't weird at all.

Pulling a trigger requires even less, yet we provide our military members with basic human needs.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I'm cool with robots, are you cool with 12+ million people sleeping in the streets?

Wait, are my options robots who are efficient and precise, or a mob of no skill individuals who contribute nothing to society other than demanding more from the people who contribute?

Is that really a question?

[~Rocktar~]

This is kind of like Trump declaring success in activating the national guard. Clue - he didn't. Trump also stated that his emergency measures include providing funding for the states' guardsmen to be activated. Bottom line, the states that choose to activate (as is their right and as all 50 states have done) won't lose money out of their state treasuries for the activation, at this time. But that will likely change the instant Trump announces his "back to work" deadline.

No matter the source of news, the twitteresque sound-bite style of communication is #fail unless the receiver has a basic understanding of how the shit is supposed to work anyway and can bridge all of the important facts one needs to know about a situation.

And experts? Any expert is going to speak from his domain of expertise. Do we have an existing socio-economic-legal-trade-international relations-security expert with proven pandemic leadership experience? That would be someone worth getting a soundbite or two from. I doubt that such an individual exists. That's a lot of skill and experience in one individual.

In before T4F shows up to claim expertise.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Another option would be the no skill people learned some skills.

[Gelston]

Pulling a trigger requires even less, yet we provide our military members with basic human needs.

There is a lot more to the military than pulling a trigger and that job also includes sending you to foreign countries where people may or may not be trying to kill you for 9-16 months at a time. It isn't a very good comparison.

[~Rocktar~]

Pulling a trigger requires even less, yet we provide our military members with basic human needs.

Did you really just compare grocery store clerks and no skill restaurant staff with people who decided, of their own free will, to write a blank check to the rest of the US good for anything and everything they have up to and including their life, payable at any time for any reason with or without prior notice?

WOW! That is some beyond Back, beyond T4F dismissive, insulting and fucked up shit right there.

[~Rocktar~]

Wait, are my options robots who are efficient and precise, or a mob of no skill individuals who contribute nothing to society other than demanding more from the people who contribute?

Is that really a question?

If the robots didn't smash my damn chips and bread, we could be on to something.

[Neveragain]

Another option would be the no skill people learned some skills.

I agree 100%. That's why we need to invest in updating our education system.

[Neveragain]

There is a lot more to the military than pulling a trigger and that job also includes sending you to foreign countries where people may or may not be trying to kill you for 9-16 months at a time. It isn't a very good comparison.

Kind of like working at a cash register during a pandemic. You may or may not die, here's your $7.25.

[Archigeek]

If the robots didn't smash my damn chips and bread, we could be on to something.

I design industrial buildings. 3 of them I've worked on are currently under construction, with 1000+ robots apiece. These are highly automated fulfillment centers. I've also designed distribution centers with no robots. The ROI on the robots is getting better, but they're still ridiculously expensive, and they break down a lot, but they're at the point where a distribution center or fulfillment center without at least some automation is pretty rare. Often times the cost of automation on a highly automated facility is about equal to the cost of the building. So for example, a $75,000,000 building might have an equal cost in automation in it.

The best thing about robots though, is that they can't get Covid 19.

[Methais]

Pulling a trigger requires even less, yet we provide our military members with basic human needs.

I'd like to hear you elaborate some more on this.

Please elaborate.

[Methais]

Fed-up Italian leader threatens to send flamethrower-armed police officers to storm parties during lockdown (https://www.theblaze.com/news/fed-up-italian-leader-threatens-to-send-flamethrower-armed-police-officers-to-storm-parties-during-lockdown)

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[Gelston]

Kind of like working at a cash register during a pandemic. You may or may not die, here's your $7.25.

rofl, no it isn't. Plus the military is still out there working in tight quarters so they have that chance too. That "standard of living" you get is you being forced to share a room that is smaller than a studio apartment with up to 3 other dudes that might or might no have good hygiene practices, while you are basically owned by the Government. Also, you can't quit, if you try, you go to jail.

Oh, and look at that, the military is even used to help treat people that have the shit.

[Stolis]

I design industrial buildings. 3 of them I've worked on are currently under construction, with 1000+ robots apiece. These are highly automated fulfillment centers. I've also designed distribution centers with no robots. The ROI on the robots is getting better, but they're still ridiculously expensive, and they break down a lot, but they're at the point where a distribution center or fulfillment center without at least some automation is pretty rare. Often times the cost of automation on a highly automated facility is about equal to the cost of the building. So for example, a $75,000,000 building might have an equal cost in automation in it.

The best thing about robots though, is that they can't get Covid 19.

Two things I got out of that:
1. Low skilled people should go back to school on grants for trade school. Reason being, as we go into #2...
2. They can't get Covid, but they can get a computer virus or have computer errors. Sending a virus to your flock of robots that just sit there and yell suck my dick.

[Archigeek]

Social distancing pickup lines :howudoing:

Is that hand sanitizer, or are you just happy to be 6' from me?

If Covid 19 doesn't take you out, can I?

You can’t spell quarantine without “u r a q t"

[Risen]

Kind of like working at a cash register during a pandemic. You may or may not die, here's your $7.25.

You would be so much closer if the clerk didn't have the choice of hours, schedule, location, employment. Consider even a high-margin highly skilled job like this one, and people quitting in droves. That, right there, isn't an option for our service members, and puts your argument in a whole different level of non-comparable.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-home-healthcare-in/u-s-home-healthcare-industry-warns-of-possible-collapse-idUSKBN21D3FS

[Methais]

I wonder how long store clerk deployments are on average.

[Gelston]

I wonder how long store clerk deployments are on average.

The military has those too, actually.

[Methais]

The military has those too, actually.

Store clerks?

[Tgo01]

President giving his daily press briefing, you should all watch it instead of letting the press filter his words for you.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4o7nryuJao

[Parkbandit]

Something I DO expect to see come of this is businesses realizing they don't need huge offices and that people can work from home for many of the jobs out there today. Virtual offices are the future.

Yup. A friend works for an insurance company and 3 weeks ago when this all started, they made a huge ass purchase for home office equipment and almost all of their employees are currently working from home.

When this gets back up and running, I imagine that they will continue to work from home.

[Parkbandit]

President giving his daily press briefing, you should all watch it instead of letting the press filter his words for you.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4o7nryuJao

WHY ARE YOU DECLARING WAR ON JOURNALISM!?!?!?! WE NEED JOURNALISTS TO TELL US WHAT IS REALLY GOING ON!!!!!!!!!!

[Tgo01]

WHY ARE YOU DECLARING WAR ON JOURNALISM!?!?!?! WE NEED JOURNALISTS TO TELL US WHAT IS REALLY GOING ON!!!!!!!!!!

:O

[Methais]

WHY ARE YOU DECLARING WAR ON JOURNALISM!?!?!?! WE NEED JOURNALISTS TO TELL US WHAT IS REALLY GOING ON!!!!!!!!!!

We're a bit short on coders right now and could use some more. Especially with Ascension being announced.

[Risen]

here's a bad bit of news that took me by surprise.


The Centers for Disease Control on Thursday said that 38% of U.S. coronavirus patients sick enough to be hospitalized were between the ages of 20 and 54. - multiple sources

Party on, people, party on!

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I code all day everyday, and I fucking hate working from home. Can't wait to get back to the office.

[Stolis]

here's a bad bit of news that took me by surprise.

- multiple sources

Party on, people, party on!

34 year age gap. I'm kinda surprised they didn't break that down 20's, 30's, 40's, etc. as well as if some had underlying issues or not. Then again, why would I be surprised?

[Seran]

don't you have to have worked (recently), to qualify for unemployment?

You do, but the claims process is being inundated by people who don't qualify.

[Seran]

Can you blame them? Democrats for years have been promising to give money away to people who want to sit at home and it looks like they finally got their wish, all it took for them was threatening to hold the entire US economy hostage along with all Americans who want to work and earn a living.

Socialists have been promising that for years, with Sanders and Castro being at the forefront of this nonsense basic income movement.

I don't blame them for wanting money, but you need to earn the right to collect it first

[Seran]

I'm hoping that the House of Representatives gets off it's ass and includes a catch to their $600 unemployment supplement to limit total received in benefits to 100% of your income.

[Gelston]

Store clerks?

Yes. Bases and forward deployed areas have stores. The military has its own mail clerks too.

[Gelston]

here's a bad bit of news that took me by surprise.

- multiple sources

Party on, people, party on!

Someone explained this as being mostly the upper end of that range, upper 40s and 50s needing it, vice the 20s and 30s.

[Archigeek]

USA! USA! USA!

Now #1 in confirmed cases!

In before Tg01 says "but the Chinese are lying!"

Remembering the classics with nostalgia: "the estimates are way overblown!!!"

And who could forget, "we peaked on March 1st!"

83,507 confirmed cases in the US, which means there are somewhere between 800,000 and 4,000,000 Americans who have it. If you believe the experts that is.

[Tgo01]

In before Tg01 says "but the Chinese are lying!"

They are. Not only that but we are testing more people and at a faster rate than any other country in the world, including Italy.

First it was "But...but we're not testing enough!" Now that we're testing at lightning speed now it's "But...but we have too many infected!" Yeah no shit, I have said since the very beginning that the official number of known cases wasn't a complete picture of how many people in total were infected. Looks like I was right.


Remembering the classics with nostalgia: "the estimates are way overblown!!!"

I said the estimate of the number of deaths is overblown, and again they are.


And who could forget, "we peaked on March 1st!"

Not gonna rehash this shit again so I'll just be blunt; you're dumb and wrong.


83,507 confirmed cases in the US, which means there are somewhere between 800,000 and 4,000,000 Americans who have it. If you believe the experts that is.

So you mean the current death rate in the US could be as low as .03%, or 30 times less deadlier than the seasonal flu? Gee, yet another thing I was right about if that's the case.

[Tgo01]

The so called experts who said the UK would have 500,000 deaths from the Chinese virus are now saying it will be more like 20k deaths. That means their updated estimate says their original estimate was off by a factor of 25.

These same experts predicted 2.2 million deaths in the US, going by the same factor of 25 that means the US number of deaths could be 88k according to these experts. Worse than the flu if that's the case, but not by a whole lot.

What? I was right again? I really should hit up Vegas one of these days, I can't lose.

[~Rocktar~]

Yup. A friend works for an insurance company and 3 weeks ago when this all started, they made a huge ass purchase for home office equipment and almost all of their employees are currently working from home.

When this gets back up and running, I imagine that they will continue to work from home.

I work for one of the big 4 insurance companies and yeah, they did an survey of people's internet at home on the 11th, on the 13th they announced they would be sending people that could, home to work, on the morning of the 16th they had a truck unloading computer equipment and so on and were sending people home. By the morning of the 18th they had many thousands (something like 10K+) of employees nation wide working at home. On the 20th, they issued the statement that unless you got an authorization from your manager, you were required to work at home for the duration. I imagine you are right, the only issue I see is dealing with my cat, some boredom and being even more of a hermit.

The commute is nice though and I know the bathroom is clean, someone hasn't tried to stuff a whole industrial roll of TP or a box of those seat covers down it and the sink isn't surrounded by liquid of indeterminate (assuming soapy water but . . .) origin.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I don't get why people are so fucking invested in either a) saying reports are fake news/overblown or b) saying reports are under reported and we all gonna die.

Like... just let the numbers speak for themselves?

[Solkern]

I don't get why people are so fucking invested in either a) saying reports are fake news/overblown or b) saying reports are under reported and we all gonna die.

Like... just let the numbers speak for themselves?


Can’t always rely on the number. Especially if they are coming out of China or Russia.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Seriously though, I have a company laptop, permission to bring home two 24" monitors and the dock, and I still fucking hate working from home.

[Tgo01]

Like... just let the numbers speak for themselves?

Please note to Archigeek et al, the following is based on information WE HAVE AS OF TODAY. It could change tomorrow, next week, next month, or even a year+ from now.

So far the numbers show many countries are severely overreacting to this.

With the US now being the leader in testing for this virus we can see just how widespread the virus is. Either the US just happens to be the most unlucky country in the world and somehow managed to get the most number of cases, or the US has proven how widespread this virus actually is worldwide.

So unless the US just happens to have tested 90%+ of the total people infected in the US, which is highly unlikely, then this virus is already everywhere yet the number of deaths hasn't even come close to what the flu manages to do each and every single year. The number of deaths in the US alone hasn't even come close to the number of deaths from H1N1, and that didn't require entire countries shutting down.

[Tgo01]

Please note to Archigeek et al, the following is based on information WE HAVE AS OF TODAY. It could change tomorrow, next week, next month, or even a year+ from now.

So far the numbers show many countries are severely overreacting to this.

With the US now being the leader in testing for this virus we can see just how widespread the virus is. Either the US just happens to be the most unlucky country in the world and somehow managed to get the most number of cases, or the US has proven how widespread this virus actually is worldwide.

So unless the US just happens to have tested 90%+ of the total people infected in the US, which is highly unlikely, then this virus is already everywhere yet the number of deaths hasn't even come close to what the flu manages to do each and every single year. The number of deaths in the US alone hasn't even come close to the number of deaths from H1N1, and that didn't require entire countries shutting down.

Also no matter what the numbers show as of today, everyone should still practice social distancing, washing your hands frequently, and avoid touching your face whenever possible, the last two things people should be doing forever even when we're not in a crisis.

[Seran]

I don't get why people are so fucking invested in either a) saying reports are fake news/overblown or b) saying reports are under reported and we all gonna die.

Like... just let the numbers speak for themselves?

Hallelujah

[Parkbandit]

I don't get why people are so fucking invested in either a) saying reports are fake news/overblown or b) saying reports are under reported and we all gonna die.

Like... just let the numbers speak for themselves?

Because a month ago, we didn't have the actual numbers. We had to rely on projections that the media was using from questionable sources that have been proven, as of right now, to be way overblown. It was those projections that were used to determine public policy.

[Risen]

With the US now being the leader in testing for this virus

Source for this? I can't find one, and the sources I see all refer to the US in like 77th place in terms of testing. Well, I didn't actually count to 77, but France is doing 1.75x what the US is doing, on a lot of these. South Korea over 6K per million population test rate, US 313 per million population test rate. I need better data!

[Risen]

And what the actual hell is this about deploying military forces ...

to the US / Canadian border?!

[Seran]

Campaigning against Canadian aggression?

[~Rocktar~]

And what the actual hell is this about deploying military forces ...

to the US / Canadian border?!

Probably to keep people from crossing in violation of the non-essential order. Mostly to keep American dumbasses that won't stay home on our side of the border and not causing more problems for Canada. I mean really, they have enough issues with Trudeau, they don't need any more.

[Tgo01]

Source for this? I can't find one, and the sources I see all refer to the US in like 77th place in terms of testing. Well, I didn't actually count to 77, but France is doing 1.75x what the US is doing, on a lot of these. South Korea over 6K per million population test rate, US 313 per million population test rate. I need better data!

Just more media spin.

First it was "The US is lagging way behind other countries in testing!!!"

Then once Trump started touting the very real fact that the US has done more testing in 8 days than South Korea has done in 2 months suddenly their narrative shifted.

"The US is lagging way behind other countries...in tests per million of the population!"

So of course smaller countries like Sweden with a whole 10 million people has impressive numbers by this criteria, a whopping 2421 per million compared to the US' 1079 per million, even though that means Sweden has done 24k tests and the US has done over 360k tests.

In terms of total number of tests the US has done the most, but going by the media's latest criteria of "tests per million people" then yes, I suppose the US is "lagging behind."

[~Rocktar~]

Just more media spin.

First it was "The US is lagging way behind other countries in testing!!!"

Then once Trump started touting the very real fact that the US has done more testing in 8 days than South Korea has done in 2 months suddenly their narrative shifted.

"The US is lagging way behind other countries...in tests per million of the population!"

So of course smaller countries like Sweden with a whole 10 million people has impressive numbers by this criteria, a whopping 2421 per million compared to the US' 1079 per million, even though that means Sweden has done 24k tests and the US has done over 360k tests.

In terms of total number of tests the US has done the most, but going by the media's latest criteria of "tests per million people" then yes, I suppose the US is "lagging behind."

Give it 4 more days and we should be well past tests per million of every other country on the planet.

[Tgo01]

Give it 4 more days and we should be well past tests per million of every other country on the planet.

The media will find some other narrative to latch onto. Then it will be "But the US has the most infections in the world!" and suddenly their "per million people" will go out the window because by their own criteria of "per million people" the US has a very low infection rate and death rate.

[Archigeek]

Just more media spin.

First it was "The US is lagging way behind other countries in testing!!!"

Then once Trump started touting the very real fact that the US has done more testing in 8 days than South Korea has done in 2 months suddenly their narrative shifted.

"The US is lagging way behind other countries...in tests per million of the population!"

So of course smaller countries like Sweden with a whole 10 million people has impressive numbers by this criteria, a whopping 2421 per million compared to the US' 1079 per million, even though that means Sweden has done 24k tests and the US has done over 360k tests.

In terms of total number of tests the US has done the most, but going by the media's latest criteria of "tests per million people" then yes, I suppose the US is "lagging behind."

The media, the media! It's all the media's fault!

Here's a website for you to check. Ourworldindata.com, careful now, it might be the evil media!

https://ourworldindata.org/covid-testing

Anyone can look at that data and see who's doing more testing as of March 20th. South Korea tested early and is way ahead on controlling Covid 19, as I said some time ago. It's great that the US is finally catching up, but was still behind on the 20th. Let's hope it's not too late.

Then take a look at this site, and you can see the trend in testing, the data is a little older, but it shows trends pretty well. Be careful, you might learn something from the media:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/covid-19-testing/

On March 2nd, just a day after to quote The Donald, "some people were saying" that we had peaked in the US, South Korea had performed over 100,000 tests, and the US had performed only 472. On March 9th, South Korea had tested 210,000 people, and the US had tested 8554. Think of the trillions we could have saved if we could have kept up with a country that is 1/6th our size. Our economy might not be in the shitter.

On to new and better things. Now that we can test for the virus, we need to get on an antibody test. This is very important, because it may tell us who has immunity and is safe to go back to work, or even if it's possible to have immunity, or perhaps limited immunity. Let's hope we get lucky on that one. I'm still hopeful that the virus mutates into something less dangerous, as has happened with other corona viruses, and that it goes into a lull for the summer in the Northern Hemisphere.

[Archigeek]

Give it 4 more days and we should be well past tests per million of every other country on the planet.

Are we betting? Because I'll take that bet.

[Risen]

the US has done over 360k tests.

I don't like spin.

From this source: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/testing-in-us.html

The US, through yesterday, has tested 103,230. It does note that reporting is now lagging by 4 to 7 days since perhaps the 19th but only declared today. I'd guess that's volume, and it's possible that the surge is equal to the balance of 257K from your number. Still, I'd like to review the data at your source myself. I can easily see where someone might say "We shipped over 360K test kits!" getting turned around. By any number of source types.

[Tgo01]

The media, the media! It's all the media's fault!

It is. I literally never heard of this "tests per million people" until yesterday which was strangely enough the day after Trump announced the US had tested more people in 8 days than South Korea in 2 months.


Here's a website for you to check. Ourworldindata.com, careful now, it might be the evil media!

Not the evil media, just information that is 8 days old. 8 days...hmm..weird.

[Tgo01]

Still, I'd like to review the data at your source myself.

I'm getting my data directly from Dr. Fauci and Dr. Birx, two experts on the coronavirus task force. You should listen to the daily press briefings from Trump and the task force so you get information directly from the source, and not this information that is lagging behind or filtered through the media.

[Archigeek]

It is. I literally never heard of this "tests per million people" until yesterday which was strangely enough the day after Trump announced the US had tested more people in 8 days than South Korea in 2 months.



Not the evil media, just information that is 8 days old. 8 days...hmm..weird.

6 days. But I'm not surprised that you would conflate something because it fit your narrative. I am however glad that we're finally catching up on testing, like I said before. Now to develop an antibody test.

[Tgo01]

6 days.

Today is March 27th, that site says the US data is from March 19th. Although you're partly right, it's not fair to include today since it's just barely past midnight, so the data is 7 days old.


But I'm not surprised that you would conflate something because it fit your narrative.

What exactly am I conflating?

[Solkern]

Trump Rejects New York’s Plea For Ventilators: ‘I Don’t Believe You Need’ That Many


https://us.yahoo.com/huffpost/trump-coronavirus-ventilators-new-york-state-030627060.html


Why the fuck would they lie about this? I don’t care what you believe, I believe the doctors and hospitals that say what they need.
Why can’t he just give them what they need to stop this pandemic?

[Archigeek]

Today is March 27th, that site says the US data is from March 19th. Although you're partly right, it's not fair to include today since it's just barely past midnight, so the data is 7 days old.



What exactly am I conflating?

And tomorrow will be the 28th! I posted it on the 26th, and it has data for the 20th.

[Gelston]

I don't like spin.

From this source: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/testing-in-us.html

The US, through yesterday, has tested 103,230. It does note that reporting is now lagging by 4 to 7 days since perhaps the 19th but only declared today. I'd guess that's volume, and it's possible that the surge is equal to the balance of 257K from your number. Still, I'd like to review the data at your source myself. I can easily see where someone might say "We shipped over 360K test kits!" getting turned around. By any number of source types.

We’ve had 18000 completed tests in Louisiana alone, as of yesterday. It went up by 5000 the day prior. I’d say your numbers are indeed behind. This is completed tests, mind you, not tests still undergoing.... testing.

[Tgo01]

Trump Rejects New York’s Plea For Ventilators: ‘I Don’t Believe You Need’ That Many


https://us.yahoo.com/huffpost/trump-coronavirus-ventilators-new-york-state-030627060.html


Why the fuck would they lie about this? I don’t care what you believe, I believe the doctors and hospitals that say what they need.
Why can’t he just give them what they need to stop this pandemic?

Misleading article, shocking I know.

I actually watched that interview (I don't normally watch Fox News but since this outbreak started I've been listening to Trump and his task force as much as possible because they are informative) and while Trump did say that, it was in reference to Cuomo demanding more and more from the federal government, even to the point of demanding that he help other states less and send more aid his way then when NY is done with the shit he will send it to other states.

Um, no? The federal government is supposed to be helping poorer states more and the richer states are supposed to pull their weight more. Yeah NY has been hard hit but the federal government has provided them with a ton of assistance already and one of the Navy's 2 hospital ships is being sent to specifically help NY, the federal government is building hospitals in NY, and the bill recently passed in the senate is giving NY state and NY hospitals tens of billions of dollars and this fucker is still saying the federal government isn't doing enough. Even Chuck Schumer of all people got into a spat with Cuomo over his constant demands from the federal government.

The federal government has a lot on its plate, they can't drop everything and give into each and every demand NY has.

[Tgo01]

I posted it on the 26th, and it has data for the 20th.

The first link literally states: United States 103,945 (Mar 19, 2020)

Why for you lie so much?

[Seran]

Misleading article, shocking I know.

I actually watched that interview (I don't normally watch Fox News but since this outbreak started I've been listening to Trump and his task force as much as possible because they are informative) and while Trump did say that, it was in reference to Cuomo demanding more and more from the federal government, even to the point of demanding that he help other states less and send more aid his way then when NY is done with the shit he will send it to other states.

Um, no? The federal government is supposed to be helping poorer states more and the richer states are supposed to pull their weight more. Yeah NY has been hard hit but the federal government has provided them with a ton of assistance already and one of the Navy's 2 hospital ships is being sent to specifically help NY, the federal government is building hospitals in NY, and the bill recently passed in the senate is giving NY state and NY hospitals tens of billions of dollars and this fucker is still saying the federal government isn't doing enough. Even Chuck Schumer of all people got into a spat with Cuomo over his constant demands from the federal government.

The federal government has a lot on its plate, they can't drop everything and give into each and every demand NY has.

The Federal Government isn't there to "help poorer states first" it's emergency management system is in place to send stockpiled medical supplies where they're needed. Medical professionals in New York. which is the state with the highest infection and death rate. is announcing a desperate need of supplies. Why would a President denounce that need. he's not a medical professional and frankly not a professional of any sort.

No, this is a man shrugging off the needs of his people and the advice of medical providers to punish the state of a political rival. That he said it to an interview with a heavily partisan commentator drives that point home.

[Risen]

I'm getting my data directly from Dr. Fauci and Dr. Birx, two experts on the coronavirus task force. You should listen to the daily press briefings from Trump and the task force so you get information directly from the source, and not this information that is lagging behind or filtered through the media.

That's not data, my friend. That's a story. I'm not saying it's wrong, nor am I saying they are wrong. It is not data though. I don't catch the briefing because I am too busy. I really did try to watch it, the one you posted. I must have missed the briefing part, because the only thing I heard for 5 minutes from Trump was "I blame everyone for China. China was taking advantage so bad." No information about coronavirus in a coronavirus briefing, and a president doing something else. . . correcting history? dunno. . .and I was done.

I'd love to find a site that has transcripts for this, so I can scan for the data I am looking for, and ignore what it was the Bush did that it took Trump specifically to come along and get right.

[Stolis]

That's not data, my friend. That's a story. I'm not saying it's wrong, nor am I saying they are wrong. It is not data though. I don't catch the briefing because I am too busy. I really did try to watch it, the one you posted. I must have missed the briefing part, because the only thing I heard for 5 minutes from Trump was "I blame everyone for China. China was taking advantage so bad." No information about coronavirus in a coronavirus briefing, and a president doing something else. . . correcting history? dunno. . .and I was done.

I'd love to find a site that has transcripts for this, so I can scan for the data I am looking for, and ignore what it was the Bush did that it took Trump specifically to come along and get right.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/remarks-president-trump-vice-president-pence-members-coronavirus-task-force-press-briefing-12/

[Risen]

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/remarks-president-trump-vice-president-pence-members-coronavirus-task-force-press-briefing-12/

Thanks. 370K. Yesterday. Got it. Interesting Dr Brix said the results where in, but the CDC says "4 to 7 days" delay in reporting. I'm sure, since these are both government sites that there's no spin, though. Just need to figure out what the difference is in each perspective.

[Methais]

https://i.imgur.com/EZsuHeZ.png (https://news.yahoo.com/china-supplied-faulty-coronavirus-test-162306412.html)

In other news, look how racist Mexico is omg omg omg omg omg!

https://i.imgur.com/9MmZzxj.png (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52053656)

[Some Rogue]

Meanwhile, back at the Legion of Doom, It's not just Democrats padding the bill for stimulus money.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/who-got-special-deals-in-the-stimulus-and-why-they-got-them/ar-BB11Ls1G?li=BBnb7Kz

[Seran]

Meanwhile, back at the Legion of Doom, It's not just Democrats padding the bill for stimulus money.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/who-got-special-deals-in-the-stimulus-and-why-they-got-them/ar-BB11Ls1G?li=BBnb7Kz

It's pretty hilarious that he'd enter a minimum funding clause. 1.5B is a full quarter of Vermont's state budget and that goes the same for other states as well. Do we think Vermont will need that sort of emergency funding, no.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

It's pretty hilarious that he'd enter a minimum funding clause. 1.5B is a full quarter of Vermont's state budget and that goes the same for other states as well. Do we think Vermont will need that sort of emergency funding, no.

Do we think they'll absolutely get it and use it all up somehow? Yes.

[Tgo01]

The Federal Government isn't there to "help poorer states first"

I didn't say that. See perhaps the problem with you, Archigeek, and others is you just can't fucking read, then you come around and tell me I'm wrong and tell me to admit I'm wrong.

Don't fucking "quote" me on something I never said.

[Risen]

This from a quoted post by Seran?

Ok, I'm either confused, or there is some spillage that I'm not tracking. Why can't things just be simple?

[Tgo01]

This from a quoted post by Seran?

Ok, I'm either confused, or there is some spillage that I'm not tracking. Why can't things just be simple?

What are you confused about?

[Tgo01]

Kathy Griffin should honestly be thrown in jail at this point:

https://twitter.com/kathygriffin/status/1243262326570012672

Here's the tl;dr version: A couple of days ago Griffin went to the ER because she was sick, she claimed her symptoms were similar to Chinese virus symptoms so she was sent to an isolation ward. During all of this time she blamed Trump for why she was sick and said he is lying to the American people and more Americans are getting sick and can't get the care they need.

Turns out she had an abdominal infection, the symptoms of which aren't anything remotely similar to Chinese virus symptoms, but she's still claiming she might have Chinese virus because she's a dumb bitch.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Man I'm glad I don't use Twitter. Only people left on it are the wildly partisan and always enraged.

[Tgo01]

I am convinced the media's push for more testing had nothing to do with helping people and everything to do with pushing a narrative: (https://twitter.com/juliaioffe/status/1243297913863835648?s=20)


Who's the shithole country now?

Yes because we are testing more cases than any other country in the world it must mean the US is a "shithole country."

Hillary Clinton's hot take: (https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/1243597001754894337?s=20)


He did promise "America First."

I knew Hillary's cheerful demeanor reminded me of a post I read here on the PC:


USA! USA! USA!

Now #1 in confirmed cases!

You're all the same. Bitch and moan for weeks that the US isn't testing enough, so the US ramps up testing, then as soon as the US CONFIRMS more cases than any other country in the world because of how many tests we are conducting now the narrative shifts to "LOL! The US has the most cases! Trump is a failure!"

[Methais]

I am convinced the media's push for more testing had nothing to do with helping people and everything to do with pushing a narrative: (https://twitter.com/juliaioffe/status/1243297913863835648?s=20)



Yes because we are testing more cases than any other country in the world it must mean the US is a "shithole country."

Hillary Clinton's hot take: (https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/1243597001754894337?s=20)

Check out Big Daddy Cool Diesel though :lol:

https://i.imgur.com/QnFmXMQ.png

[Risen]

Anything on Twitter about the bill's inclusion of 400 million for the Nov election cycle?

[Tgo01]

The daily task force press briefing is scheduled for 5:30 PM EST today but it's usually 30+ minutes late.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESRi5j8PceY

Stay informed! Friends don't let friends get their "facts" from the media!

[Archigeek]

I am convinced the media's push for more testing had nothing to do with helping people and everything to do with pushing a narrative: (https://twitter.com/juliaioffe/status/1243297913863835648?s=20)



Yes because we are testing more cases than any other country in the world it must mean the US is a "shithole country."

Hillary Clinton's hot take: (https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/1243597001754894337?s=20)



I knew Hillary's cheerful demeanor reminded me of a post I read here on the PC:



You're all the same. Bitch and moan for weeks that the US isn't testing enough, so the US ramps up testing, then as soon as the US CONFIRMS more cases than any other country in the world because of how many tests we are conducting now the narrative shifts to "LOL! The US has the most cases! Trump is a failure!"

It's too bad you're such an abject failure at understanding the basics of fighting disease spread. Early testing and case tracking is textbook, and you just parrot that anyone who says we fucked this up is (insert demonization of the week). It's great that we're testing a lot now. It's too bad the delay is going to cost thousands of lives and trillions of dollars.

Your denial "I've never even heard of tests per million!" is laughable. Like someone just invented the concept of rates just to confound you. Next thing you'll be proclaiming that miles per hour is a new concept.

[Tgo01]

It's too bad you're such an abject failure at understanding the basics of fighting disease spread. Early testing and case tracking is textbook, and you just parrot that anyone who says we fucked this up is (insert demonization of the week). It's great that we're testing a lot now. It's too bad the delay is going to cost thousands of lives and trillions of dollars.

See what I mean? From one talking point to the next.


Your denial "I've never even heard of tests per million!" is laughable. Like someone just invented the concept of rates just to confound you. Next thing you'll be proclaiming that miles per hour is a new concept.

Funny I don't recall YOU ever saying "tests per million people" until yesterday. Strange how you're just proving my point with each and every post of yours. Your bitching this entire time has been that the US wasn't doing enough testing, the day after Trump announces the US has tested more people in 2 weeks than South Korea did in 8 weeks you did an about face and suddenly it was "The US isn't testing enough per million people!"

Talk about denial.

Since we're talking about "per million population" the US is in pretty good shape overall compared to many other countries, including China since they are 100% for sure lying about their numbers. The US is a large country population wise, third largest in the world, easily 4x-10x the size of the countries we hear so much about such as Italy, South Korea, and many smaller European countries. But you don't want to talk about per capita in THAT manner now do you?

It also doesn't help that when Trump and much of the rest of the country was imploring people to social distance and stay home the local government of NYC was encouraging people to go out and mingle and to be sure to go to the Chinese New Year parade in NY so as not to seem racist, now NY accounts for what, like half of all cases in the US? I'm sure that's Trump's fault too right?

[Tgo01]

Looks like China is giving many countries faulty test kits. (https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/coronavirus-turkey-faulty-chinese-kits-not-use)

I wonder what the REAL numbers are in these countries if they are relying on Chinese test kits that are only at most 30% accurate.

I read a tweet the other day in regards to this story in Spain: the only thing made in China and works well is the virus. I love the internet sometimes.

[Alfster]

Spain fucked up. They were given a list of approved vendors and went with a company not on the list. They got straight scammed, but it's not the Chinese government's fault.

[Tgo01]

Spain fucked up. They were given a list of approved vendors and went with a company not on the list. They got straight scammed, but it's not the Chinese government's fault.

If these countries are getting scammed by Chinese businesses then how is this not the fault of the Chinese government? Isn't the government supposed to put a stop to shit like scammers, especially in a time of global crisis?

I would hope if a US company were scamming countries in such a manner that the US government would shut that shit down fast, not let it fester and spread to multiple countries.

[Tgo01]

Apparently even Chinese citizens don't believe the virus is contained in China. Lock down restrictions were removed today in Hubei (the province were this shit started) so when citizens wanted to go to work in the neighboring province of Jiangxi the police force from Jiangxi set up check points on Hubei's side of a bridge that connects the two and was restricting people from traveling to their province. This led to riots from citizens AND the police from Hubei fighting against the police from Jiangxi.

I wonder if anyone told the people of Jiangxi that it was racist and xenophobic to restrict travel from people in Hubei.

[Methais]

This led to riots from citizens AND the police from Hubei fighting against the police from Jiangxi.

Please tell me there's a video of cops from both cities kicking the shit out of each other.

And after you tell me there is, please link me to it. For keks. Forty of them.

[Tgo01]

Please tell me there's a video of cops from both cities kicking the shit out of each other.

And after you tell me there is, please link me to it. For keks. Forty of them.

The first video in this link shows some clips from the riot, it's hard to tell but you can see some police officers mixed in with regular citizens marching against the riot police from the other province.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/world/article-violence-erupts-in-china-as-people-try-to-leave-coronavirus-stricken/

Another video I saw showed a citizen that had stolen a shield from the police of Jiangxi and was using it to beat them with.

People were also overturning police cars from Jiangxi and it wasn't clear if the Hubei police were helping or not, but they certainly weren't doing anything to stop them.

[Tgo01]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rt-KtKkUVus&feature=emb_logo

At about the 2:37 mark you can see what appears to be police officers helping to overturn a police van from the other province. Can't find the video of the dude using the police's own riot shield as a club and beating them over the head with it.

[Tgo01]

Here's the video of the dude beating the police with one of their own riot shields:

https://twitter.com/TruthAbtChina/status/1243505898359869440

[Tgo01]

Cuomo: We need more ventilators! We need more ventilators! Give other states fewer ventilators and give us more ventilators! NY is the only state that matters!!!!
Also Cuomo: "We have ventilators in a stockpile and we didn’t send to the hospitals yet."

[ClydeR]

This exchange between Trump and a reporter at today's coronavirus press conference is very important. For posterity.


John: (52:39)
Mr. President, on this question of the ventilators, I understand you have a question whether or not New York needs as much as they want. Governor Cuomo’s saying 21 days from now.

Donald Trump: (52:47)
Here’s what we’re going to have. Are you ready? We’re going to have more than, we’re manufacturing a lot of them now, we’re accumulating a lot. We’re taking a lot, through the act, we’re taking a lot. We’re actually taking them. And we’re going to have in a very short period of time, and Peter’s doing it along with some very talented people, some really talented people. It’s very impressive actually, but we’re actually taking a lot. We’re going to have plenty. And if for some reason, Jon, if for some reason you’re going to need even more, we’re going to be prepared.

Donald Trump: (53:17)
As an example, we’ve given out thousands and thousands, which I think you’ll know. We accumulated thousands. We give them out. But we right now, I think in the stockpile, we have over 10,000. The reason we don’t want to distribute that is for exactly what you’re saying. If there’s a mad rush in New York, or maybe in Louisiana, or maybe someplace else, we don’t want to have given out all of those units, the ventilators, and then in those sections we give them to Iowa, but they didn’t have a problem in Iowa. We give them to Idaho. We give them to lots of different places, and now we have to try and get them back, which is never easy to do.

John: (53:52)
Here’s my question.

Donald Trump: (53:52)
No Jon, what I’m saying is this, we are prepared for things that nobody has any idea that we’d be prepared. And you know what? When I took this over, it was an empty box. We didn’t have testing, we didn’t have anything. We had a broken system there. We had a broken system with stockpiling, we had a lot of broken systems. And I’m not just blaming President Obama, you go long before that, but in all fairness, all of the former presidents, none of them ever thought a thing like this could happen. But we have right now, 10,000 ventilators in stockpile. We are ready to go with those ventilators.

Donald Trump: (54:29)
What we don’t want is where we distribute the ventilators like we did in New York, and they didn’t need them, or they didn’t know, or they didn’t use them. If we need them in New York, we’re going to have plenty. Now, we’re getting a lot of ventilators in the next short period of time. A lot of ventilators are coming in the next short period of time. We’re manufacturing. We went to all of the companies, I read their names, we went to all of those companies. They are going to go, I would say ’round the clock, Peter, is that right? They’re going round the clock.

John: (54:59)
Is 100 days fast enough? You said, is that fast enough? To get 100,000? Because some of these people need them in three weeks.

Donald Trump: (55:02)
Let’s put it this way. Let’s put it this way. We’ve distributed thousands and thousands already. Normally these would be bought by states, just so you understand. Normally these would be bought by governors. They were… I don’t want to say unprepared, but nobody was prepared for this. What we’ve done, nobody can even imagine. And by the way I’ve had governors tell me, including Democrat governors, they said, “We can’t believe you’ve been able to do this.” And you go to other countries, and we’re not only competing against states, because we don’t want to compete against states. We’ve had a couple of cases where states were buying, we were buying, and I said specifically, because I heard about it. Pull back. Let the state buy it. Immediately, the price goes way down, and they end up buying it. But we’re also competing against many countries, because many countries need the ventilators. That’s why I want to build more if possible. Jon, maybe we’ll take one more question.

John: (55:50)
The question I was building up to is, are you able to guarantee, to assure these states, these hospitals, that everybody who needs a ventilator, will get a ventilator?

Donald Trump: (56:02)
So here’s what I’ll tell you. I think we’re in really good shape. This is a pandemic, the likes of which nobody’s seen before. I think we’re in great shape. I think that number one, we’ve distributed… ventilators are a big deal. We’ve distributed vast numbers of ventilators, and we’re prepared to do vast numbers. I think we’re in great shape. I hope that’s the case. I hope that we’re going to have leftovers, so we can help other people, other countries.

John: (56:28)
Everybody who needs one will be able to get a ventilator?

Donald Trump: (56:31)
Look, look. Don’t be a cutie pie. Okay? Everyone who needs one.

John: (56:35)
It’s a fundamental question.

Donald Trump: (56:35)
Nobody’s ever done what we’ve done. Nobody’s done anything like we’ve been able to do. And everything I took over was a mess. It was a broken country in so many ways, in so many ways other than this. We had a bad testing system. We had a bad stockpile system, we had nothing in the stockpile system. So I wouldn’t tell me what you’re, you know, like being a wise guy. Go ahead.

More... (https://www.rev.com/blog/transcripts/donald-trump-coronavirus-task-force-briefing-transcript-march-27-trump-says-michigan-and-washington-governors-not-appreciative)

[Wrathbringer]

Spent this past week traveling in several states with stay at home orders. It was nice to see full parking lots everywhere despite the asinine and unlawful orders that police have already said they will not enforce. Americans: Doing whatever the hell we want since 1776. Scared? Stay in your home with no income. For the fest of us, life goes on.

[Fortybox]

Spent this past week traveling in several states with stay at home orders. It was nice to see full parking lots everywhere despite the asinine and unlawful orders that police have already said they will not enforce. Americans: Doing whatever the hell we want since 1776. Scared? Stay in your home with no income. For the fest of us, life goes on.

#fakepandemic

[Methais]

This exchange between Trump and a reporter at today's coronavirus press conference is very important. For posterity.

Shut the fuck up Fallen even macgyver is cooler than you.

[Risen]

We are hovering around 4.6% worldwide for deaths / known cases. I believe that a better metric is deaths / recovered cases. That way we know we are talking resolution instead of infection. This metric presently stands at 17.7% worldwide. Both of these numbers can always be challenged, because we never know for sure we have the total count of known cases or recovered cases while this thing is going on.

Another number that is a bit less questionable is number of deaths per million population. We know the death count, and we know the population of the country which is much more reliable because it is far less variable than either known cases, or recovered cases. By this metric to date, the top five impacted countries with populations over one million are:

Italy - 166
Spain - 124
Netherlands - 37
France - 31
Iran - 30

The US clocks in at 13th place at 5.87 (1937) deaths per million (330) population. Keep in mind, this number will only increase, it does not matter how many people get the virus, or how many recover. We will be successful if this number only goes up by one or two more. I am fearful it is going to increase by double digits to 16 or 17 though. If it gets to 15 the total deaths would number just under five thousand. If we have the misfortune to move up to France, that will be just under ten thousand. On par with Spain would put the US death count at over 40 thousand.

I remain hopeful that we can curb this at 6 to 7 deaths per million in the end. Given the world situation, I would take that win.

[Gelston]

We are hovering around 4.6% worldwide for deaths / known cases. I believe that a better metric is deaths / recovered cases. That way we know we are talking resolution instead of infection. This metric presently stands at 17.7% worldwide. Both of these numbers can always be challenged, because we never know for sure we have the total count of known cases or recovered cases while this thing is going on.

Another number that is a bit less questionable is number of deaths per million population. We know the death count, and we know the population of the country which is much more reliable because it is far less variable than either known cases, or recovered cases. By this metric to date, the top five impacted countries with populations over one million are:

Italy - 166
Spain - 124
Netherlands - 37
France - 31
Iran - 30

The US clocks in at 13th place at 5.87 (1937) deaths per million (330) population. Keep in mind, this number will only increase, it does not matter how many people get the virus, or how many recover. We will be successful if this number only goes up by one or two more. I am fearful it is going to increase by double digits to 16 or 17 though. If it gets to 15 the total deaths would number just under five thousand. If we have the misfortune to move up to France, that will be just under ten thousand. On par with Spain would put the US death count at over 40 thousand.

I remain hopeful that we can curb this at 6 to 7 deaths per million in the end. Given the world situation, I would take that win.

And it'll still be lower than Swine Flu killed.

[Tgo01]

Another number that is a bit less questionable is number of deaths per million population. We know the death count, and we know the population of the country which is much more reliable because it is far less variable than either known cases, or recovered cases. By this metric to date, the top five impacted countries with populations over one million are:

Italy - 166
Spain - 124
Netherlands - 37
France - 31
Iran - 30

And here is how countries look at infections per million, not counting China of course because we all know they are full of shit, as are many other countries in the world but they are more truthful than China:

Italy: 1528
Switzerland: 1573
Spain: 1570
Belgium: 930
Belgium: 830
Germany: 677
Netherlands: 574
France: 560
Iran: 437
US: 357
UK: 258
South Korea: 185

But we all know it's racist to use per capita when talking about infections or deaths, we can only use per capita measurements when talking about tests performed.

[Risen]

And it'll still be lower than Swine Flu killed.

Yes. But in 1918-1919 we also did not have vaccines, antivirals, advanced medical techniques for sustaining life and so on. We also did not apply strong non-medical intervention methods (like isolation, quarantine) well. It taught us a lesson that we carried over to today. Apple, meet orange.

[Gelston]

Louisiana is up to 25000 completed tests, with a total of 3315 positives out of that. 927 hospitalized, of that 336 on ventilators. 137 total deaths which is a 4% death rate.

https://i.imgur.com/1qMlXxU.jpg

[Risen]

And here is how countries look at infections per million

A result of the enforced closing of travel, isolation, quarantine and the time that bought us. Yes. Would it not be nice to be in South Korea's metric zone, though.

[Gelston]

A result of the enforced closing of travel, isolation, quarantine and the time that bought us. Yes. Would it not be nice to be in South Korea's metric zone, though.

Take a few Constitutional suspensions to do what Korea did.

[Roblar]

Yes. But in 1918-1919 we also did not have vaccines, antivirals, advanced medical techniques for sustaining life and so on. We also did not apply strong non-medical intervention methods (like isolation, quarantine) well. It taught us a lesson that we carried over to today. Apple, meet orange.


You're confusing the Spanish Flu with H1N1, which was in the last decade. He's right Swine Flu killed far more than this current virus has, though this seems to be more contagious and is on track to surpass it.

[Archigeek]

Yes. But in 1918-1919 we also did not have vaccines, antivirals, advanced medical techniques for sustaining life and so on. We also did not apply strong non-medical intervention methods (like isolation, quarantine) well. It taught us a lesson that we carried over to today. Apple, meet orange.

The swine flu was around 2010. You're thinking of the 1918 flu epidemic. Way more deaths with that one.

[Risen]

Louisiana is up to 25000 completed tests, with a total of 3315 positives out of that. 927 hospitalized, of that 336 on ventilators. 137 total deaths which is a 4% death rate.

Two questions: Did you get your test kits from China? And more seriously, how many of those tests / positives were in New Orleans? Actually, strike that last. I do like Louisiana's State dashboard. Wish all states were that clear.

[Archigeek]

Take a few Constitutional suspensions to do what Korea did.

Like what? That window has passed anyway, so not sure it matters to us anymore. The guy who was on the Joe Rogan YouTube channel has an interesting new take on things and how to now model spread. It's in a New York Times opinion piece. He's of the opinion that our best chance to control it at all is now clinic surveys. To track the hot spots and focus resources there.

[Risen]

You're confusing the Spanish Flu with H1N1, which was in the last decade. He's right Swine Flu killed far more than this current virus has, though this seems to be more contagious and is on track to surpass it.


The swine flu was around 2010. You're thinking of the 1918 flu epidemic. Way more deaths with that one.

Point. 12,000 thousand deaths estimated (CDC disclosure on limitations shared below.) Converting 2010 population (309 million) means about 39 deaths per million at the estimate, 28.5 at the low range of the estimate.

CDC disclaimer: The cumulative burden of burden of influenza A H1N1pdm09 virus from 2009 – 2018 is an estimate of the number of people who have been sick, seen a healthcare provider, been hospitalized, or died as a result of influenza A H1N1pdm09 since it first began spreading in humans in 2009. CDC does not know the exact number of people who have been sick and affected by influenza because influenza is not a reportable disease in most areas of the United States. Therefore, these numbers are estimated using a mathematical model, based on observed rates of laboratory-confirmed influenza-associated hospitalizations.

[Solkern]

Anyone know if I can get this stimulus check living abroad? I couldn’t find any information.

[Risen]

Anyone know if I can get this stimulus check living abroad? I couldn’t find any information.

Yes, to the last IRS tax filed address, as long as you're earning under $99K last filing, and under $75K for the full $1,200 check.

[Archigeek]

Yes, to the last IRS tax filed address, as long as you're earning under $99K last filing, and under $75K for the full $1,200 check.

Also, I think the cut off is higher for married folk.

[Gelston]

Like what? That window has passed anyway, so not sure it matters to us anymore. The guy who was on the Joe Rogan YouTube channel has an interesting new take on things and how to now model spread. It's in a New York Times opinion piece. He's of the opinion that our best chance to control it at all is now clinic surveys. To track the hot spots and focus resources there.

They forced apps onto peoples phones and tracked everyone. If you were out too long or in crowded areas it would warn you.

[Fortybox]

Louisiana is up to 25000 completed tests, with a total of 3315 positives out of that. 927 hospitalized, of that 336 on ventilators. 137 total deaths which is a 4% death rate.

https://i.imgur.com/1qMlXxU.jpg

Except you have a large population that gets this virus and has no symptoms at all and hence never got tested. You can’t take 147/3315 as the death rate.

The fatality rate in this is WAY below 1% and the world is literally losing its mind.

[Gelston]

Also, I think the cut off is higher for married folk.

It is 198k if filed jointly. You lose $5 per $100 made over 75k or 150k if jointly. It is paid based on your most recent tax filing.

[Risen]

Also, I think the cut off is higher for married folk.

And adding, if you have direct deposit information on file, it will go there first. If not, 6 weeks, or so on the check estimated.

For married filing joint folk, everything times two.

For head-of-household filing folk, cut off is adjusted to $112,500.

[Gelston]

You can’t take 147/3315 as the death rate.


I can do what I want.

[Fortybox]

I can do what I want.

:lol:

[Risen]

Except you have a large population that gets this virus and has no symptoms at all and hence never got tested. You can’t take 147/3315 as the death rate.

The fatality rate in this is WAY below 1% and the world is literally losing its mind.

Still clocking in at 31.5 per million. And again, it will only go up. (147 deaths against 4.65 million population).

[Tgo01]

Trump considering quarantining NY and NJ. Why haven't these states stepped up and done it themselves already? I guess they want their people to infect the entire US.

[Risen]

That wouldn't be a good look on him. What he does matters, significantly. I'd argue more so than any other time in his presidency.

[Tgo01]

Imagine being Andrew Cuomo: a failed governor who couldn't get his shit together and get his people to abide by the social distancing rules, let the problem spiral out of control, then blame the federal government for not giving him more ventilators while actually demanding, yes DEMANDING, that more ventilators be sent to his state at the expense of other states getting more ventilators, then come to find out he literally has thousands of ventilators stockpiled and hasn't even sent them out to hospitals yet.

And the Democrats line up like trained seals to applaud this man for his supposed "leadership."

Speaking of trained seals known as Democrats, this is your daily reminder that while Trump was shutting down travel from China, putting together a task force to tackle this crisis, and looking for ways to preempt this crisis so it wouldn't hit the US as badly as it could have, the Democrats were busy pushing their bogus impeachment scam and demanding the Senate waste more time calling up an endless stream of witnesses.

The Democrats and their media lapdogs want you to forget this and want you to think they are the ones handling this crisis expertly and that Trump is the one failing. But we all know it's the other way around.

[Archigeek]

They forced apps onto peoples phones and tracked everyone. If you were out too long or in crowded areas it would warn you.

That would be a little challenging but most phones are already tracked and no one seems to care. And the government uses that data already. I had heard that they used phone data to track people who tested positive, and then put that data out there so people could be aware that they may have been exposed.

[Tgo01]

China, the country the media is praising as the one stepping in as the "world leader" in absence of US leadership amid this global crisis, has been busy sabotaging efforts by countries to tackle this virus was that created in China, then got a leg up in spreading across the globe thanks to the corrupt Chinese government.

First they were sending hundreds of thousands of test kits that didn't work to several countries, now apparently they are sending face masks that are ineffective as well to countries.

https://nos.nl/artikel/2328673-honderdduizenden-chinese-mondmaskers-teruggeroepen-uit-nederlandse-ziekenhuizen.html


A large part of the mouth masks that the Dutch government has imported from China is unsound. Because the masks were already distributed to hospitals, the Ministry of Health has launched a recall.

This concerns almost half of a batch of 1.3 million so-called FFP2 masks, 600,000 pieces. Healthcare providers use it to treat critically ill patients with Covid infection. Faulty masks put doctors and nurses at risk.

What is it going to take for countries to wake up already and stop buying Chinese shit? I would say is it going to take a global pandemic but we are currently in the middle of one and countries still can't gobble up enough fake and faulty Chinese shit.

[Gelston]

That would be a little challenging but most phones are already tracked and no one seems to care. And the government uses that data already. I had heard that they used phone data to track people who tested positive, and then put that data out there so people could be aware that they may have been exposed.

Just because a lot of people don't seem to care that Google does it, doesn't mean they wouldn't when the US Government started forcing it on phones. Plus, all tracking you have right now you can opt out of and requires a subpoena for the Government to get ahold of. This would toss that out the window.

[Tgo01]

Can you imagine the complete meltdown of the media and the left if the Trump administration started tracking US citizens via their phones and put out alerts to the general public disclosing private medical information?

Trump really just can't win. He did literally everything short of trampling all over the constitution and privacy laws but it's still not enough for his detractors, they wanted him to go full tyrant, and going by the media's and left's reactions to the US having more confirmed cases because we are testing the most people, I'm assuming they wanted him to go full tyrant not to save lives, but because they wanted to say "See? Told you he was a tyrant!!!!!"

[Tgo01]

https://twitter.com/DailyCaller/status/1244016912281059329?s=20

Nothing to see here, just the mayor of NYC, the most densely populated city in the US and where a large portion of US cases come from (and their citizens are now fleeing the state bringing the virus with them to other states), telling citizens on March 10th that it's okay to go out and live their lives like normal because even if you get the virus it acts much like the common cold.

But Trump is the reason cases in the US have gone up, not failed liberal politicians across the entire country.

[Tisket]

So this is literally the worst possible time to get any kind of mundane respiratory illness like cold or flu. I started getting a harsh, persistent cough a week and a half ago so we decided until I could get tested, I would stay in an apartment we rented for quarantine purposes for a month. It was easier than trying to avoid my family within the same house. Maybe an overreaction, I'll own that, but I wasn't taking any chances. I took the test on Monday at one of the Kaiser drive through testing sites and got the results this morning. Negative. I had the flu in January so this was either another bout of flu or bronchitis instead of the dread virus.

We're keeping the apartment for another month or so just in case. My husband has threatened to fake coughing so he can get a mini-vacation there too.

[Tgo01]

So this is literally the worst possible time to get any kind of mundane respiratory illness like cold or flu. I started getting a harsh, persistent cough a week and a half ago so we decided until I could get tested, I would stay in an apartment we rented for quarantine purposes for a month. It was easier than trying to avoid my family within the same house. Maybe an overreaction, I'll own that, but I wasn't taking any chances. I took the test on Monday at one of the Kaiser drive through testing sites and got the results this morning. Negative. I had the flu in January so this was either another bout of flu or bronchitis instead of the dread virus.

We're keeping the apartment for another month or so just in case. My husband has threatened to fake coughing so he can get a mini-vacation there too.

Glad you and your family are virus free.

Yeah this is the worst time to get the cold or flu because the symptoms are very similar to COVID-19. The best thing to do is take your temperature regularly because 90% of people who show symptoms get a fever, a dry cough is the next most common.

[Tgo01]

What is the first thing the Kennedy center did after receiving millions in a taxpayer bailout? Why lay off employees, of course! (https://www.theblaze.com/news/kennedy-center-abruptly-lays-off-entire-orchestra-hours-after-receiving-25-million-taxpayer-bailout)

Tax money well spent there!

[Risen]

Tax money well spent there!

So, no one can go to the center meaning no ticket sales, $100M dollar trust is probably down to $50-70M thanks to market panic, no provisions for non-profit entities to retain personnel through this troubling time that I've been able to identify yet, extensive costs on restart which may or may not come in 3 weeks or 7 weeks or whenever, and can't gather in groups for rehearsals with real-estate prices likely through the roof for any alternative solutions. It's a shit situation. I'd love to know what else could be done. I'm very very confident I will find exactly zero staunch Trump far right screaming memes who would suggest paying them for doing nothing. I am also very confident that I will find many such supporters suggesting it be clawed back. Also not relevant - literally 1.1% of the provisions of the CAREs act. Focus on the important stuff.

[Tgo01]

I'm very very confident I will find exactly zero staunch Trump far right screaming memes who would suggest paying them for doing nothing.

If they are receiving tens of millions of dollars in a taxpayer bailout then surely they can find something for them to do so they can continue receiving a paycheck. Where is this money going to exactly if not the employees?

[Parkbandit]

We are hovering around 4.6% worldwide for deaths / known cases. I believe that a better metric is deaths / recovered cases. That way we know we are talking resolution instead of infection. This metric presently stands at 17.7% worldwide. Both of these numbers can always be challenged, because we never know for sure we have the total count of known cases or recovered cases while this thing is going on.

Another number that is a bit less questionable is number of deaths per million population. We know the death count, and we know the population of the country which is much more reliable because it is far less variable than either known cases, or recovered cases. By this metric to date, the top five impacted countries with populations over one million are:

Italy - 166
Spain - 124
Netherlands - 37
France - 31
Iran - 30

The US clocks in at 13th place at 5.87 (1937) deaths per million (330) population. Keep in mind, this number will only increase, it does not matter how many people get the virus, or how many recover. We will be successful if this number only goes up by one or two more. I am fearful it is going to increase by double digits to 16 or 17 though. If it gets to 15 the total deaths would number just under five thousand. If we have the misfortune to move up to France, that will be just under ten thousand. On par with Spain would put the US death count at over 40 thousand.

I remain hopeful that we can curb this at 6 to 7 deaths per million in the end. Given the world situation, I would take that win.

Wait.. are you changing your own metric now.. so you can use deaths/million instead of deaths/known cases?

Dude.. stop.

[Risen]

Wait.. are you changing your own metric now.. so you can use deaths/million instead of deaths/known cases?

Dude.. stop.

I'm not changing my own metric or I would have given zero air time to the 4.6% number so conveniently quoted. I definitely am looking for one that is less questionable. I'm trying to evaluate which would be best. Of course you know that I've always said the 4.6% number is questionable because you never know exactly the count of known cases. You can certainly accuse me of thinking out loud with a group whose opinions I think are valuable.

A better question is - which is the best metric in the midst of the pandemic. An even better question is - what does it matter. And the best question of all is - how can we take all these signals that everyone is using and try to find a way to prevent the insanity we're going through right now, in the next wave. Because the next wave is less than a decade away. We probably have somewhere between 4 and 10 years to prepare. And the next one, we might not benefit from having Trump in office. God only knows what state the media and media consumption will be in.

So you tell me, how do we do this better next time given all this information?

[Tgo01]

Apparently Trump is backing away from his mandatory quarantine of NY, NJ and parts of CT and instead issuing a strong travel advisory. I hope the least we are doing is implementing checks on people flying out of NY and NJ.

[Stolis]

Apparently Trump is backing away from his mandatory quarantine of NY, NJ and parts of CT and instead issuing a strong travel advisory. I hope the least we are doing is implementing checks on people flying out of NY and NJ.

Those two states should be banned from flying right now, it's kinda fuckin ridiculous. Keep your sick asses out of other states.

[Risen]

Appears the Governor thinks the whole concept unAmerican. I wonder if a seated government official can be tried for mass murder by another state. Florida has blockades up.

[Tgo01]

Disclaimer to those who don't know how to read, you know who you are: The following is in regards to the information we have today, it could change in the coming days or weeks.

For some good news, the last 3 days are looking good for the US.

On March 24th we had 11,075 new cases.
25th: 13,355
26th: 17,224
27th: 18,691
28th: 19,452

That means the number of new daily cases increased by 2280 from the 24th to 25th, 3869 from 25th-26th (this is the bad one), 1467 from 26th-27th, 761 from 27th-28th.

This is exactly what we want to see, the number of new daily cases leveling off, this indicates that we are nearing the peak, at which point (unless NY fucks it up for the rest of the country) the number of new daily cases starts to decrease compared to the day before until it eventually reaches 0. This is what "flattening the curve" is all about.

Also isn't it funny, NY state is by far the biggest fuck up in the country at the moment yet the media and the left is praising Cuomo as the nation's leader right now because he makes a lot of noise and points a lot of fingers.

Florida is seeing a slight increase in their number of cases, mostly from fucking New Yorkers fleeing the state to live in their summer home in Florida, and the media and the left are saying DeSantis is the worst governor ever.

Almost as if "leadership" to them depends on which political party people belong to. So weird.

[Riltus]

If they are receiving tens of millions of dollars in a taxpayer bailout then surely they can find something for them to do so they can continue receiving a paycheck. Where is this money going to exactly if not the employees?

The money is going to Melania. Don't you know any White House insiders. Trump made a backroom deal with the Dems to funnel funds to the Kennedy Center but he couldn't publicly advocate for it, you know, bad look for him. So he only mildly objected publicly but then inexplicably heaped effusive praise on the employees of the center and David Rubenstein who serves as its chairman. Seemed odd for Trump to champion the arts unless you knew that Melania, as the nation's First Lady, is the Honorary Chair of the Kennedy Center. Then it all makes sense. Dems + Trump + Melania = Kennedy Center $$$$$$.

Also for the BIG APPLE haters:

Without New York this country would be populated by a bunch of nose picking, one string banjo plucking, illiterate yahoos living in unheated wooden shacks, shitting in slit trenches in their living rooms. "Sqwerel fer dinna agin, Ma?"

In New York (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aK-ciz7mGI)
Concrete jungle where dreams are made of

Mark

[Stolis]

The money is going to Melania. Don't you know any White House insiders. Trump made a backroom deal with the Dems to funnel funds to the Kennedy Center but he couldn't publicly advocate for it, you know, bad look for him. So he only mildly objected publicly but then inexplicably heaped effusive praise on the employees of the center and David Rubenstein who serves as its chairman. Seemed odd for Trump to champion the arts unless you knew that Melania, as the nation's First Lady, is the Honorary Chair of the Kennedy Center. Then it all makes sense. Dems + Trump + Melania = Kennedy Center $$$$$$.

Also for the BIG APPLE haters:

Without New York this country would be populated by a bunch of nose picking, one string banjo plucking, illiterate yahoos living in unheated wooden shacks, shitting in slit trenches in their living rooms. "Sqwerel fer dinna agin, Ma?"

In New York (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aK-ciz7mGI)
Concrete jungle where dreams are made of

Mark

https://www.theamericanmirror.com/2020/03/video-quarantined-new-yorker-tries-to-recreate-italy-magic-by-singing-out-window-but-is-told-to-shut-the-fk-up/


New Yorkers are a bunch of assholes. We know it, they know it too. They are not some high and mighty person because they live in The Big Apple. Congrats, how's that working out for them?

[Alfster]

Disclaimer to those who don't know how to read, you know who you are: The following is in regards to the information we have today, it could change in the coming days or weeks.

For some good news, the last 3 days are looking good for the US.

On March 24th we had 11,075 new cases.
25th: 13,355
26th: 17,224
27th: 18,691
28th: 19,452

That means the number of new daily cases increased by 2280 from the 24th to 25th, 3869 from 25th-26th (this is the bad one), 1467 from 26th-27th, 761 from 27th-28th.

This is exactly what we want to see, the number of new daily cases leveling off, this indicates that we are nearing the peak, at which point (unless NY fucks it up for the rest of the country) the number of new daily cases starts to decrease compared to the day before until it eventually reaches 0. This is what "flattening the curve" is all about.

Also isn't it funny, NY state is by far the biggest fuck up in the country at the moment yet the media and the left is praising Cuomo as the nation's leader right now because he makes a lot of noise and points a lot of fingers.

Florida is seeing a slight increase in their number of cases, mostly from fucking New Yorkers fleeing the state to live in their summer home in Florida, and the media and the left are saying DeSantis is the worst governor ever.

Almost as if "leadership" to them depends on which political party people belong to. So weird.

Just like how it leveled off on the 4th. They've stopped testing those that aren't in serious condition, due to lack of tests. Its happening where I live right now too. The official numbers are not indicative of what's actually going on out there.

[Archigeek]

CIDRAP is a good source of information. You have probably seen Dr Michael Osterholm from CIDRAP on The Joe Rogan Experience what seems like months ago now, and elsewhere in the news.

http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/

[Neveragain]

The money is going to Melania. Don't you know any White House insiders. Trump made a backroom deal with the Dems to funnel funds to the Kennedy Center but he couldn't publicly advocate for it, you know, bad look for him. So he only mildly objected publicly but then inexplicably heaped effusive praise on the employees of the center and David Rubenstein who serves as its chairman. Seemed odd for Trump to champion the arts unless you knew that Melania, as the nation's First Lady, is the Honorary Chair of the Kennedy Center. Then it all makes sense. Dems + Trump + Melania = Kennedy Center $$$$$$.

Also for the BIG APPLE haters:

Without New York this country would be populated by a bunch of nose picking, one string banjo plucking, illiterate yahoos living in unheated wooden shacks, shitting in slit trenches in their living rooms. "Sqwerel fer dinna agin, Ma?"

In New York (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aK-ciz7mGI)
Concrete jungle where dreams are made of

Mark

NY has one of the lowest graduation rates in the nation.

https://nces.ed.gov/programs/coe/figures/images/figure-coi-1.png

[Voldemort]

Trump REALLY fumbled the ball on this Coronavirus shit. We have the most infected worldwide: 89,000 vs. China’s 80,000 (the Patient Zero country)... even Europe is far less infected. How the fuck do you fuck this up so bad? Aren’t we supposed to be a super power?

[Archigeek]

A few words from Dr Fauci:


Millions of Americans will be infected by the coronavirus and 100,000 to 200,000 will die, the U.S. government's top infectious-disease expert warned Sunday, as people in and around the country's outbreak epicenter of New York were urged to limit their travel to contain the scourge.

The dire prediction came from Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, speaking on CNN's “State of the Union.” As of Sunday morning, the U.S. had about 125,000 infections and 2,200 deaths.

[Fortybox]

A few words from Dr Fauci:

He also said it was a moving target and is dependent on the response. Stop being retarded.

[Neveragain]

Trump REALLY fumbled the ball on this Coronavirus shit. We have the most infected worldwide: 89,000 vs. China’s 80,000 (the Patient Zero country)... even Europe is far less infected. How the fuck do you fuck this up so bad? Aren’t we supposed to be a super power?

330,000,000 (US pop.) / 60,000,000 ( Italy pop.) = 5.5 * 97,689 (total cases in Italy) = 537,289>131,403 (US infections)

Italy alone is doing 4x worse than the US. Just between Italy and Spain they have more infections than the US.

Italy has nearly a 10% mortality rate, US 1.7% mortality rate.

Everything you said is:

https://media.giphy.com/media/3oz8xLd9DJq2l2VFtu/giphy.gif

[Voldemort]

330,000,000 (US pop.) / 60,000,000 ( Italy pop.) = 5.5 * 97,689 (total cases in Italy) = 537,289>131,403 (US infections)

Italy alone is doing 4x worse than the US. Just between Italy and Spain they have more infections than the US.

Italy has nearly a 10% mortality rate, US 1.7% mortality rate.

Everything you said is:

https://media.giphy.com/media/3oz8xLd9DJq2l2VFtu/giphy.gif

LOL at your cope math.


ZOMG TRUMP FUCKED UP BIGLY! HOW DO I JUSTIFY THIS IN MY DELUSIONAL MIND?!!! RHEEEEEEeEeeeEeeE!

https://i.insider.com/5a0f5d7c3dbef482008b6df6?width=1200&format=jpeg

[Neveragain]

LOL at your cope math.


ZOMG TRUMP FUCKED UP BIGLY! HOW DO I JUSTIFY THIS IN MY DELUSIONAL MIND?!!! RHEEEEEEeEeeeEeeE!

https://i.insider.com/5a0f5d7c3dbef482008b6df6?width=1200&format=jpeg

I just showed you that Europe has many more infections.

https://media1.giphy.com/media/KYNywoibU1PQ4/giphy.gif

[Gelston]

I just showed you that Europe has many more infections.

https://media1.giphy.com/media/KYNywoibU1PQ4/giphy.gif

You're arguing with mcguyver.

[Neveragain]

You're arguing with mcguyver.

It's the levodopa talking.

[Archigeek]

He also said it was a moving target and is dependent on the response. Stop being retarded.

I'm pretty sure suggesting a range with a 100% variation from top to bottom is the same thing as saying it's a moving target. Not quite sure why you're upset with me for sharing his thoughts here, except that of course the numbers are pretty sobering. Hopefully he's wrong.

[Risen]

Had to find this to listen for myself. If interested - https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2020/03/29/sotu-fauci-full.cnn

Man has a tough job.

[Gelston]

I'm pretty sure suggesting a range with a 100% variation from top to bottom is the same thing as saying it's a moving target. Not quite sure why you're upset with me for sharing his thoughts here, except that of course the numbers are pretty sobering. Hopefully he's wrong.

Dr Fauci himself said we could have 200k deaths. I'd like to be optimistic and say we'll have less. I mean, what we are doing now, with everything being shut down, really is kind of unprecedented and there really isn't a lot more we can do without slipping into a gross violation of Rights.

[Archigeek]

Dr Fauci himself said we could have 200k deaths. I'd like to be optimistic and say we'll have less. I mean, what we are doing now, with everything being shut down, really is kind of unprecedented and there really isn't a lot more we can do without slipping into a gross violation of Rights.

Agreed. I think they could do more, but at this point I'm unsure it would be effective anyway. Well actually I can't speak for other states, but the definition of "essential services" here in Minnesota is probably overly broad, so that's one thing that is going to cause more spread. And I think more could be done to push production of essential equipment, but a lot of small and large companies are volunteering to step into that gap. Hopefully some of them really shine.

Almost every construction company in the state here has donated their N95 masks, and a ski/snow board company has switched to making face shields, and 3M is trying to push as many masks as possible out the door. A million a day is a lot of masks, even if it's not enough. Tesla and Dyson and GM making ventilators, etc. Let's hope this thing slows down as the weather warms up.

[Tgo01]

A few words from Dr Fauci:

Talk about fake news. He said he doesn't like to give predictions because so much is unknown, he also doesn't actually make predictions but he looks at models that other people have done and he has seen some that suggested over a million deaths and he said those were most likely bullshit. He didn't even really want to give an answer but said maybe between 100k and 200k.

This is why you should stop getting your news from the "news" and instead go straight to the source.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTTN0v2cdC0

[Tgo01]

I'm pretty sure suggesting a range with a 100% variation from top to bottom is the same thing as saying it's a moving target.

No he said it's because he has seen some models that suggested 1.5 million deaths and said those are most likely complete bullshit. For own your sanity I suggest you stop getting your information from CNN or anyone else who gets their stories from CNN. Just pretend CNN doesn't exist and therefore any information that comes directly or indirectly from them doesn't exist also.

[Tgo01]

Speaking of getting your news directly from the source, the daily task force press briefing starts at about 5PM EST.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdhJZNxbq3c

[ClydeR]

On Fox News Sunday this morning, HHS Secretary Azar said people should not buy face masks to protect themselves from the coronavirus. What he said is just not true. I guarantee you that if there were enough face masks for everybody, he would be saying the opposite. If you are around someone who has or may have the coronavirus, or if you are in an area where the virus is widespread among the population, a face mask will significantly reduce the probability that you will be infected. A shortage of face masks is not a justification to lie about it. For shame.





The growth of coronavirus cases has “flattened” in the Czech Republic ever since the country’s government has made masks compulsory, claimed data scientist Jeremy Howard.

More... (https://www.praguemorning.cz/usage-of-masks-flattened-growth-of-coronavirus-cases-in-czech-republic/)

Once again I have been proven right and the so-called government experts proven wrong. More and more real experts are recognizing the value of my advice. Listen to Dr. Scott Gottlieb, former commissioner of the FDA, who appeared on Face the Nation this morning at around the 3:45 mark in the video at this link.. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coronavirus-scott-gottlieb-coronavirus-restrictions-difficult-april-face-the-nation/


Since you foolishly did not take my advice the first time by buying disposable masks while they were still available, I'll give you a second chance. Remember that time several years ago when you bought a Buff, thinking you would look cool until your very good friend -- a better friend than you realized at the time --told you otherwise? Now your bad fashion sense will finally be a blessing.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xl5NqzlGQ_Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xl5NqzlGQ_Q

[Archigeek]

Talk about fake news. He said he doesn't like to give predictions because so much is unknown, he also doesn't actually make predictions but he looks at models that other people have done and he has seen some that suggested over a million deaths and he said those were most likely bullshit. He didn't even really want to give an answer but said maybe between 100k and 200k.

This is why you should stop getting your news from the "news" and instead go straight to the source.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTTN0v2cdC0

So you're suggesting he's wrong? You didn't see me predicting 1.5 million deaths. I mean really, it's not like you would know more than him. That was a rhetorical question.

[Tgo01]

So you're suggesting he's wrong? You didn't see me predicting 1.5 million deaths. I mean really, it's not like you would know more than him. That was a rhetorical question.

I see you still haven't watched the video and are instead relying on the media to filter his words for you.

Why are you such a willing sheep?

[Tgo01]

Leftist violence + Wuhan Virus story:

Top hospital executive fired for saying Trump supporters should 'give up their ventilators for someone else' (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/top-hospital-executive-fired-for-saying-trump-supporters-should-give-up-their-ventilators-for-someone-else)


Trump supporters need to pledge to give up their ventilators for someone else ... and not go to the hospital.


I think they should be the only ones in packed churches on Sunday. They should barricade themselves in there and ride this out."

I know this will shock everyone but she worked on Hillary's presidential campaign and Kirsten Gillibrand's presidential campaign.

[Tgo01]

Nothing to see here, just a video of Nancy Pelosi on Feb 24th virtue signaling in the middle of China Town in a crowded area telling people in her district there was nothing to worry about and they were safe and healthy and encouraging everyone to "come join us" in China Town.

https://twitter.com/FriendsofNancyP/status/1232098949319811073?s=20

But remember everyone, this is all Trump's fault.

[Gelston]

Nothing to see here, just a video of Nancy Pelosi on Feb 24th virtue signaling in the middle of China Town in a crowded area telling people in her district there was nothing to worry about and they were safe and healthy and encouraging everyone to "come join us" in China Town.

https://twitter.com/FriendsofNancyP/status/1232098949319811073?s=20

But remember everyone, this is all Trump's fault.

Honestly, I can't really blame her. Almost no one saw what this was going to be. 14 days ago my wife and I were in New Orleans, on Bourbon Street and all that. Sure, we knew Corona was a thing but it didn't seem like that big of a deal. We were there when the State Police told everyone to go home on Bourbon.

[Some Rogue]

Nothing to see here. Just Dorito Mussolini bragging about his ratings during a pandemic.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1244320570315018240

And comparing himself to a fucking reality show. Who knew people would be interested in a virus that is killing thousands.

[Tgo01]

Honestly, I can't really blame her. Almost no one saw what this was going to be. 14 days ago my wife and I were in New Orleans, on Bourbon Street and all that. Sure, we knew Corona was a thing but it didn't seem like that big of a deal. We were there when the State Police told everyone to go home on Bourbon.

Yeah, it would just be nice if these same people who not even a month ago were telling everyone there was nothing to worry about and we will all be fine, weren't now blaming Trump for everything and pretending like they were taking it seriously since January or some shit.

[Tgo01]

Nothing to see here. Just Dorito Mussolini bragging about his ratings during a pandemic.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1244320570315018240

And comparing himself to a fucking reality show. Who knew people would be interested in a virus that is killing thousands.

Trump really does live in your head rent free. Imagine being upset because people are tuning in to get their information from Trump and experts.

[Some Rogue]

Trump really does live in your head rent free. Imagine being upset because people are tuning in to get their information from Trump and experts.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

YOU JUST FUCKING CRIED ABOUT PELOSI, KETTLE.

It is a fucking joke the so called leader is more worried about his fucking ratings than people getting correct info. No one is tuning in to hear him. He doesnt know shit and has to be constantly corrected by his experts, who you then try to tear down right here.

[Tgo01]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

YOU JUST FUCKING CRIED ABOUT PELOSI, KETTLE.

Wait, you're comparing Pelosi literally telling people to crowd together as much as possible during a public health emergency due to a highly infectious disease that is spreading because she has some virtue that needs to be signaled, to Trump making a tweet about how many people are watching his press conference?

Okay, dude.

[Seran]

Yeah, it would just be nice if these same people who not even a month ago were telling everyone there was nothing to worry about and we will all be fine, weren't now blaming Trump for everything and pretending like they were taking it seriously since January or some shit.

Except it was Trump telling everyone not to panic and attacking the news media for actually taking the threat seriously. Trump is like the snake oil salesman/blogger from that movie Contagion. Spreading lies for personal benefit.

[Candor]

I was going to write a post about how some people just don't understand social distancing, but then I found this video:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkYRI48bXRw

[Tgo01]

Except it was Trump telling everyone not to panic

Big difference between "don't panic" and "Everyone come on down to China Town to prove to the Orange Man that you're not racist!"

I also love how I post a video of Pelosi literally telling people at the end of Feb that they are SAFE AND HEALTHY and to crowd into small China Town as much as possible, and you come back with "except it was Trump." No, fucker, it was Pelosi, Cuomo, Bill de Blasio and his government officials, the mayor of New Orleans during Mardi Gras, and all of the other Democrats who were pushing the theory that Trump was a racist and a xenophobe even through the first week of March because of his decision to place travel restrictions on China back in January.

It's time to pull your head out of your rectum already, Seran, and realize Democrats don't care if you live or die, they just care about power, and if telling you to put your health in jeopardy by packing into China Town like a bunch of sardines to prove how not racist they are in order to get that power then they'll do it.

[Tgo01]

Looks like the Democrats and media are getting their wish, Trump said the current guidelines are being extended until the end of April, possibly longer. He said the experts expect the US will be well on its way to recovery by June 1st.

I wonder how many millions/tens of millions of people's lives will be affected for years to come due to shutting down the economy for 1.5+ months. I think many businesses won't be around by then and millions of people will be out of work.

Wash your hands.

Practice social distancing as much as possible.

Cover your fucking sneeze and cough.

Let's get the economy back on track already so as few people as possible will be adversely affected.

I swear these reporters are the absolute worst.

Trump a few days ago: I would like to open up the country by Easter.
Media: OMG! Trump wants to open up the country too early and kill us all! He doesn't care about WWII veterans or the elderly! He's a monster!
Trump today: I am extending the guidelines until April 30th:
Reporter to Trump: Was floating Easter a mistake?

How is just talking about something 2 weeks out a "mistake"? The fuck is wrong with these people? Their TDS is almost as bad as Some Rogue's.

[Seran]

The President is acting responsible and listening to scientific advisors for a change, this is growth. Stirring racial hatred and discrimination by identifying a virus by it's country of origin instead of it's designated name, may be more his preference and Tg's, but even Orange Man learns eventually.

[Tgo01]

Stirring racial hatred and discrimination by identifying a virus by it's country of origin instead of it's designated name

Fuck you. Wuhan Virus. Wuhan Virus. Wuhan Virus. Come at me, bro.

Seran, you should look into getting "Sucking Communist Chinese dick" into the Olympics because you've been consistently sucking that cock for weeks now, that is quite impressive.

Also more of these fucking fake news peddling reporters.

Reporter to Trump: Why did you THREATEN quarantine on NY and NJ.

Fucking THREATEN?! He said he was looking into it to save lives, not only that but he didn't even end up doing it. Aren't these fucking people something else?

"Trump wants to open up the economy too early! He doesn't care about human lives!"
Literally the next day.
"Trump wants to punish NY and NJ by imposing a quarantine!!!!"

[Gelston]

The President is acting responsible and listening to scientific advisors for a change, this is growth. Stirring racial hatred and discrimination by identifying a virus by it's country of origin instead of it's designated name, may be more his preference and Tg's, but even Orange Man learns eventually.

This thread was created by one of the biggest libs on the forum and it is named Wuhan Virus.

[Tgo01]

This reporter is heavily implying that Trump is helping red states or states with Republican governors and ignoring blue states or states with Democratic governors.

Fucking bitch, NY and CA, both blue states with Democratic governors, have received the only two hospital ships the US has, NY was the first state where the federal government started building hospitals in, the US Army Corp of Engineers has been practically living in NY state lately but Trump is apparently purposefully ignoring blue states.

These people are fucking monsters.

[Parkbandit]

This thread was created by one of the biggest libs on the forum and it is named Wuhan Virus.

To be fair, Fallen didn't know saying "Wahan Virus" is a sign of being a racist.

[Tgo01]

Disclaimer to those who don't know how to read, you know who you are: The following is in regards to the information we have today, it could change in the coming days or weeks.

For some good news, the last 3 days are looking good for the US.

On March 24th we had 11,075 new cases.
25th: 13,355
26th: 17,224
27th: 18,691
28th: 19,452

That means the number of new daily cases increased by 2280 from the 24th to 25th, 3869 from 25th-26th (this is the bad one), 1467 from 26th-27th, 761 from 27th-28th.

This is exactly what we want to see, the number of new daily cases leveling off, this indicates that we are nearing the peak, at which point (unless NY fucks it up for the rest of the country) the number of new daily cases starts to decrease compared to the day before until it eventually reaches 0. This is what "flattening the curve" is all about.

Also isn't it funny, NY state is by far the biggest fuck up in the country at the moment yet the media and the left is praising Cuomo as the nation's leader right now because he makes a lot of noise and points a lot of fingers.

Florida is seeing a slight increase in their number of cases, mostly from fucking New Yorkers fleeing the state to live in their summer home in Florida, and the media and the left are saying DeSantis is the worst governor ever.

Almost as if "leadership" to them depends on which political party people belong to. So weird.

More good news: the number of new daily cases for March 29th was 18,469, meaning the number of new daily cases has actually decreased by 983 from March 28th-29th.

Again it's too early to tell if this is the trend, gonna take at least a week before we can say that, but this is 4 days in a row of declining number of new daily cases.

[Voldemort]

More good news: the number of new daily cases for March 29th was 18,469, meaning the number of new daily cases has actually decreased by 983 from March 28th-29th.

Again it's too early to tell if this is the trend, gonna take at least a week before we can say that, but this is 4 days in a row of declining number of new daily cases.

It’s meaningless when it’s +/-5%. Could be due to reporting errors or data collection inconsistencies, hospitals could be undercounting or double counting patients whatever. I would use weekly totals instead.

[Tgo01]

I can't wait until the markets open and the stocks fall fast after Trump's announcement yesterday that the US economy will remain closed for another month then watch the same people complaining that Trump was putting profits over lives now switch the narrative to "Worst day on Wall Street! And it's all Trump's fault!"

[Wrathbringer]

This Wutang virus sucks.

[Parkbandit]

Stirring racial hatred and discrimination by identifying a virus by it's country of origin instead of it's designated name

If the name stirs racial hatred and discrimination in you... you might be a racist.

Other things that obviously stir racial hatred in you:

West Nile Virus
Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever
Lyme Disease
Ebola
MERS
Norovirus
Zika
German Measles
Spanish Flu
Lassa Fever

Stop being such a useful idiot.

[rolfard]

If the name stirs racial hatred and discrimination in you... you might be a racist.

Other things that obviously stir racial hatred in you:

West Nile Virus
Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever
Lyme Disease
Ebola
MERS
Norovirus
Zika
German Measles
Spanish Flu
Lassa Fever

Stop being such a useful idiot.

Coxsackie aka hand foot and mouth disease

[Methais]

Trump REALLY fumbled the ball on this Coronavirus shit. We have the most infected worldwide: 89,000 vs. China’s 80,000 (the Patient Zero country)... even Europe is far less infected. How the fuck do you fuck this up so bad? Aren’t we supposed to be a super power?

lol @ you being so retarded that you still believe anything China says :lol:

Dumbass.

In other news:

Chinese Markets Reopen — And They Still Sell Bats, Dogs And Cats (https://dailycaller.com/2020/03/29/chinese-markets-reopen-bats-dogs-cats)

[Methais]

Once again I have been proven right and the so-called government experts proven wrong. More and more real experts are recognizing the value of my advice. Listen to Dr. Scott Gottlieb, former commissioner of the FDA, who appeared on Face the Nation this morning at around the 3:45 mark in the video at this link.. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coronavirus-scott-gottlieb-coronavirus-restrictions-difficult-april-face-the-nation/


Since you foolishly did not take my advice the first time by buying disposable masks while they were still available, I'll give you a second chance. Remember that time several years ago when you bought a Buff, thinking you would look cool until your very good friend -- a better friend than you realized at the time --told you otherwise? Now your bad fashion sense will finally be a blessing.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xl5NqzlGQ_Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xl5NqzlGQ_Q

Shut the fuck up Fallen go drink from a dick.

Fucking dork. :lol:

[Methais]

Nothing to see here. Just Dorito Mussolini bragging about his ratings during a pandemic.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1244320570315018240

And comparing himself to a fucking reality show. Who knew people would be interested in a virus that is killing thousands.

Or maybe his point is that people want to get the news straight from him instead of relying on the media to relay it to them via pundits and chopped clips after because the media as a whole is full of shit and everyone except people as stupid as macgyver and Backlash know it?

[Methais]

Except it was Trump telling everyone not to panic and attacking the news media for actually taking the threat seriously. Trump is like the snake oil salesman/blogger from that movie Contagion. Spreading lies for personal benefit.

Are you saying that Trump should have told everyone to panic? I'm sure that would end well.

[Stolis]

Are you saying that Trump should have told everyone to panic? I'm sure that would end well.

Wish he could personally tell Seran to shut the fuck up. He'd be a lot cooler if he did.

[~Rocktar~]

Wish he could personally tell Seran to shut the fuck up. He'd be a lot cooler if he did.

That would be AWESOME!

On another note, there is this:


This Is Why Trump Calls Them Fake News, CBS Caught Using Footage From An Italian Hospital In Segment On New York
Carmine Sabia By Carmine Sabia
Published March 30, 2020 at 7:04am


The American citizens, and the citizens of the world, are terrified of coronavirus and they do not need any more fear mongering.

But that is precisely what they got from CBS News who unashamedly aired footage of an Italian hospital during a segment about New York hospitals.

The story was broken on Sunday by Jim Hoft at The Gateway Pundit but the television media has ignored it and CBS has not commented.

“CBS News painted a dire picture from New York City this week in their coronavirus coverage. On Wednesday morning CBS aired this footage from a New York hospital,” Hoft reported.


https://youtu.be/QWm0ytokzOI




https://thefederalistpapers.org/us/trump-calls-fake-news-cbs-caught-using-footage-italian-hospital-segment-new-york

[~Rocktar~]

And here is the SKY news clip they stole the video from:


https://youtu.be/_J60fQr0GWo

[Astray]

Are you saying that Trump should have told everyone to panic? I'm sure that would end well.

"Everybody panic, this virus is gonna kill us all!" - Trump

"OMFG WUT" - How America would react

"I am so happy Trump did something right." - Seran, the fucking retard

[Ashlander]

"Everybody panic, this virus is gonna kill us all!" - Trump

"OMFG WUT" - How America would react

"OMG Trump's telling everyone to panic!" - Seran, the fucking retard

Fixed it for you. You know he'd still be bitching about Trump regardless.

[Gelston]

If the name stirs racial hatred and discrimination in you... you might be a racist.

Other things that obviously stir racial hatred in you:

West Nile Virus
Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever
Lyme Disease
Ebola
MERS
Norovirus
Zika
German Measles
Spanish Flu
Lassa Fever

Stop being such a useful idiot.

Montezuma's Revenge.

Legionnaire's Disease makes me angry at the American Legion too.

[Methais]

Dude spits on oranges and then his soul leaves his body:
https://twitter.com/emm_downunder/status/1243903863653978112

[Tgo01]

Fake news gonna fake:

https://twitter.com/DailyCaller/status/1244669123570937863?s=20


Rachel Maddow said that it was “nonsense” that a naval hospital ship would “be operational in New York Harbor by next week.”

Today, the naval hospital ship USNS Comfort docked in New York City.

At what point do you arrest someone for purposefully causing a panic during a global health crisis?

Oh wait, Seran WANTS people to cause a panic because Trump DIDN'T want to cause a panic. I forget how the mind of a far left Democrat works.

[Methais]

And here's Rachel Maddow getting pwned again.
https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1244656629280317446

[Tgo01]

And here's Rachel Maddow getting pwned again.
https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1244656629280317446

She really is just a disgusting person. I guess her next talking point will now be "Trump isn't helping blue states enough!!!!!" After a fucking hospital ship docked in NY specifically to help NY. Where are all of the hospital ships for other coastal states? Oh right, we only have two and the other one is being sent to California, I forget how red California is.