Wuhan Virus

[Risen]

As of 3 PM EDT we crossed

4.9% deaths / known cases
19% deaths / recoveries
9 deaths per million population

in the US.

[Gelston]

She really is just a disgusting person. I guess her next talking point will now be "Trump isn't helping blue states enough!!!!!" After a fucking hospital ship docked in NY specifically to help NY. Where are all of the hospital ships for other coastal states? Oh right, we only have two and the other one is being sent to California, I forget how red California is.

Why aren't we helping Mexicans? Racists.

[Gelston]

As of 3 PM EDT we crossed

4.9% deaths / known cases

in the US.

... Wut? We have 2810 deaths out of 155, 705 cases. That is 1.8%.

[Risen]

More good news: the number of new daily cases for March 29th was 18,469, meaning the number of new daily cases has actually decreased by 983 from March 28th-29th.

Again it's too early to tell if this is the trend, gonna take at least a week before we can say that, but this is 4 days in a row of declining number of new daily cases.

Adjusted today to 19,913. Not a decrease with the updated number. Does seem to be slowing though, thank God.

[Risen]

... Wut? We have 2810 deaths out of 155, 705 cases. That is 1.8%.

Yes, my mistake - global for the first two. Corrected to:

1.9% US (1.85%, rounding)
56% US deaths / recovered - meaningless since not all recoveries reported
9 US deaths per million

[Tgo01]

Why aren't we helping Mexicans? Racists.

Oh yeah, I forgot about this talking point they can bring up if needed. I'm just waiting for the day.

[Tgo01]

Adjusted today to 19,913. Not a decrease with the updated number. Does seem to be slowing though, thank God.

Still only an increase of 461 compared to the previous day of an increase of 761, so the trend is still going down.

[Risen]

Where are you getting your information from?

The same as stated before: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Numbers can jump by hundreds / thousands depending on the time you check. Even when checking a couple times in just an hour. At this moment at that source in the US:

158,509 cases
2,935 deaths (1.85%)
5,211 recovered (56.3%)

[Tgo01]

The same as stated before: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Numbers can jump by hundreds / thousands depending on the time you check. Even when checking a couple times in just an hour. At this moment at that source in the US:

158,509 cases
2,935 deaths (1.85%)
5,211 recovered (56.3%)

That's one of the sites I use as well, which is why I was confused by your post that we had almost a 5% death rate in the US. But Gelston already corrected you so I deleted my post.

[Risen]

Ok, WTF is it with adding to reputation? I swear every single time I try it, it tells me I have to spread around more. I guess I need to get out more. Shit.

Anyway, got it Tgo01. Even if I couldn't add to rep.

[Tgo01]

More rising leftist terrorism coupled with this Wuhan virus shit. (https://www.rightjournalism.com/secret-service-liberal-teacher-offers-cash-bounty-for-person-with-coronavirus-to-cough-on-president-trump-pretends-to-be-a-victim-after-backlash/)


Liberal Teacher Offers Cash Bounty For Person With Coronavirus To Cough On President Trump

[Risen]

One news source reported the Navy's Comfort will treat "non-coronavirus patients". Other corroboration?

On one hand, this seems smart, because the ship will need relatively little special attention if / when retasked to a different location. It frees up hospital beds nearly immediately for use in dealing with the virus influx.

On the other hand, this might not be too smart, as it will be relatively hard to retask the asset to a different location if operating schedules become tight and the hospitals haven't stabilized. It will be a hard message to have to tell a non-coronavirus patient that he needs to go back into the infection-ridden hospital system.

[Tgo01]

One news source reported the Navy's Comfort will treat "non-coronavirus patients". Other corroboration?

That's my understanding too. It's there to help with other emergency surgeries so hospitals on land can devote more resources to COVID-19 patients.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

That's my understanding too. It's there to help with other emergency surgeries so hospitals on land can devote more resources to COVID-19 patients.

Probably a good idea, I read that the cruise ships were basically just germ factories... I can't imagine it being much different on any other ship - even if it's a hospital ship.

[Tgo01]

The US has now tested more than 1 million people.

"But still not as many as South Korea has done per million people!!!"

[Alfster]

Which isn't true. It's just about a million.

https://covidtracking.com/data/

[Tgo01]

Which isn't true. It's just about a million.

https://covidtracking.com/data/

Dude. Stop.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

WTF was the myPillow guy speaking during the covid19 conference today? LOL. He was all like "HUR... religion in schools... God Bless, buy my pillows"

[Alfster]

Dude. Stop.

Stop spreading misinformation.

[Neveragain]

CBS News Caught Using Footage from an Italian Hospital to Describe Conditions in New York City (VIDEO)

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/03/cbs-news-caught-using-footage-from-an-italian-hospital-to-describe-conditions-in-new-york-city-video/

[Tgo01]

WTF was the myPillow guy speaking during the covid19 conference today? LOL. He was all like "HUR... religion in schools... God Bless, buy my pillows"

Trump was allowing all of the CEOs who were helping in the effort to give a speech. But yeah, I cringed pretty hard at the God in schools and shit, I think that's why Trump said "I didn't know he was gonna do that."


Stop spreading misinformation.

Tgo01: The US has tested 1 million people.
Alfster:
https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/191/035/135.png

"It's only 950k."

[Gelston]

MyPillows suck.

[Tgo01]

MyPillows suck.

You bite your tongue!

[Fortybox]

Trump was allowing all of the CEOs who were helping in the effort to give a speech. But yeah, I cringed pretty hard at the God in schools and shit, I think that's why Trump said "I didn't know he was gonna do that."



Tgo01: The US has tested 1 million people.
Alfster:
https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/191/035/135.png

"It's only 950k."

Why would you cringe? For the most part, the people in this country believe in God. Plagues will happen in the last days.

[Tgo01]

Why would you cringe? For the most part, the people in this country believe in God. Plagues will happen in the last days.

I didn't have a problem with him mentioning God, or even saying that people should be spending this time at home with their loved ones and reading the bible.

I just cringe when people mention God in school because it just causes so much controversy, and I disagree with the notion of God in school depending on what the person means.

Like should students be able to form a religious group and hold prayer circles and be able to pray during class? Sure, as long as none of this is interfering with anything.

Should religion be taught (not studied but taught) in school? Should the teacher be leading a prayer group? Things like that I say no.

[Parkbandit]

Dude spits on oranges and then his soul leaves his body:
https://twitter.com/emm_downunder/status/1243903863653978112

BRAIN CHOP!!!

[Parkbandit]

As of 3 PM EDT we crossed

4.9% deaths / known cases
19% deaths / recoveries
9 deaths per million population

in the US.

Could you show your math on that? You're off by a factor of a lot.

PS - I told you it wouldn't be anywhere near 4-6%... but you won't let math stand in your way in a futile effort to be right.

[Parkbandit]

Which isn't true. It's just about a million.

https://covidtracking.com/data/

Dude.. are you really claiming some sort of high ground here?

"IT'S NOT A MILLION! IT'S ONLY 945,793! TGO01 IS SPREADING FAKE NEWS!!!!!!!!!!!! I GOT HIM! ZIING!!!!

[Tgo01]

Remember the woman and her husband who drank fish tank cleaner because it contained an ingredient with a similar name to the one Trump was excited about as a possible treatment for Wuhan virus? Remember how her husband died and she was hospitalized, then the media went into a frenzy trying to get her to blame Trump for their decision to drink poison (which she did), and tried to get her to say to never believe anything Trump says (which she did), tried to warn people to NOT take a potentially life saving drug because these two dipshits drank literal fish tank cleaner?

Oh yeah, remember how the media also tried to imply she was a die hard Trump fan and that's why she believed Trump so much that she drank literal poison to "cure" themselves of a disease neither one of them even had?

Yeah, about that... (https://www.redstate.com/nick-arama/2020/03/30/woman-who-ingested-the-fish-tank-cleaner-is-a-democratic-donor/)


The woman’s most recent donations, in late February, were to a Democratic PAC, the 314 Action Fund, that bills itself as the “pro-science resistance” and has vocally criticized the Trump administration’s response to the coronavirus pandemic and held up her case to slam the White House. [….]

Federal Election Commission records show that Wanda has donated thousands of dollars to Democratic electoral groups and candidates over the past two years, including Hillary Clinton, the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, and EMILY’s List, a group that aims to elect pro-choice female candidates.

Wanda told the Free Beacon that she and her husband were both Democrats, not Trump supporters.

[Tgo01]

In other news, the media is having an absolute meltdown because the "My Pillow guy" was allowed to give a speech.

Not necessarily about his whole God in schools bit, just the fact that he was even allowed to speak at all.

Yeah how dare these CEOs give a short speech about how they are helping Americans during this tough time. We should just give all of this airtime to supposed reporters from MSNBC and CNN to spread even more fake news and complain about the people who are actually doing something to help.

I didn't think it was possible for the mainstream news to piss me off even more but they have somehow managed to do it during this crisis.

[Risen]

Could you show your math on that? You're off by a factor of a lot.

PS - I told you it wouldn't be anywhere near 4-6%... but you won't let math stand in your way in a futile effort to be right.



Dude.. are you really claiming some sort of high ground here?

"IT'S NOT A MILLION! IT'S ONLY 945,793! TGO01 IS SPREADING FAKE NEWS!!!!!!!!!!!! I GOT HIM! ZIING!!!!

Since I acknowledged and corrected the point I find these back to back posts absolutely delicious. :lol:

[Risen]

On a separate note, one thing I find impressive is the number of negative tests relative to the number of positive tests. ~1M tests, and only ~163K total cases.

The only thing I think that can be attributed to is the overall social distancing and lock-downs by the administration. Imagine if that hadn't happened where we'd be.

Also, erodes the 'don't know total cases' argument I started with.

[Parkbandit]

Since I acknowledged and corrected the point I find these back to back posts absolutely delicious. :lol:

There is a world of difference between a 4.9% death rate and a 1.75% death rate. Would you not agree?

Would you also not agree that 945,793 that was updated at 3PM today is not that far off from over 1 million tests done. I'm sure we will hit that mark by tonight... yet, we will still be far off from your 4.9% death rate you proclaimed we were at.

You're not good at math.. or knowing what is absolutely delicious.. and that makes me feel badly for you.

[Parkbandit]

Couple of problems with this statistically. To do this right, mortality rate would be calculated from disposed cases. In other words here, either recovered / released, or dead. Using that metric, the Diamond Princess is clocking in at 1.3%, with 178 cases still open and 14 are marked critical. At present tally, that metric is clocking in at 9% globally (with Europe leading in the 40 to 50% range).

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

The problem with that is not all countries (like the US) are reporting disposition of cases reliably. So that brings our own tally to over 100%, and that isn't right either.

I'm still betting on 4.5% to 6%, when the dust settles.

Still betting on a US mortality rate of 4.5% to 6%?

Don't worry.. we'll be double checking your math.

[Voldemort]

In other news, the media is having an absolute meltdown because the "My Pillow guy" was allowed to give a speech.

Not necessarily about his whole God in schools bit, just the fact that he was even allowed to speak at all.

Yeah how dare these CEOs give a short speech about how they are helping Americans during this tough time. We should just give all of this airtime to supposed reporters from MSNBC and CNN to spread even more fake news and complain about the people who are actually doing something to help.

I didn't think it was possible for the mainstream news to piss me off even more but they have somehow managed to do it during this crisis.

Super curious Tg01, what do you do for a living (industry/generally). How much do you make in said field?

[Tgo01]

Super curious Tg01, what do you do for a living (industry/generally). How much do you make in said field?

I do your mom and even though it's a full time job she doesn't pay nearly enough.

[Archigeek]

I didn't have a problem with him mentioning God, or even saying that people should be spending this time at home with their loved ones and reading the bible.

I just cringe when people mention God in school because it just causes so much controversy, and I disagree with the notion of God in school depending on what the person means.

Like should students be able to form a religious group and hold prayer circles and be able to pray during class? Sure, as long as none of this is interfering with anything.

Should religion be taught (not studied but taught) in school? Should the teacher be leading a prayer group? Things like that I say no.

Well it must be the end times for sure. Tgo01 and I agree on something.

[Archigeek]

On a separate note, one thing I find impressive is the number of negative tests relative to the number of positive tests. ~1M tests, and only ~163K total cases.

The only thing I think that can be attributed to is the overall social distancing and lock-downs by the administration. Imagine if that hadn't happened where we'd be.

Also, erodes the 'don't know total cases' argument I started with.

Not everyone who has it tests positive.

[DoctorUnne]

My friend who is an ER doctor at one of the big hospitals here in NYC has successfully reconfigured home sleep apnea machines to work as ventilators on corona patients. Pretty amazing stuff and makes you appreciate despite all the political bickering how amazing a country we live in and how much real ingenuity and innovation there is at the ground level.

Also, I myself got the virus a couple of weeks ago and a lot of people in my circle of friends have/had it too. Thankfully just got over it a few days ago with nothing more than basic flu symptoms (dry cough, fever, randomly couldn't smell anything for a few days). But none of us went and got tested for it because what's the point? I'm just going to stay at home and quarantine myself anyway unless I get real sick so no sense risking getting a bunch of other people infected just to get a test. My other friends feel the same way. So I'm pretty sure the actual number of ppl in NYC who have it is way higher than the reported cases and the mortality rate is as a result much lower, probably 0.5-1% or so. The deaths will still go up a lot because it takes a while for people to get it to die, but I think a ton of people are just getting it and dealing with it and recovering on their own without getting tested.

I know I'm one of the lucky ones though so my thanks to all the healthcare workers out there saving lives!

[Tgo01]

Well it must be the end times for sure. Tgo01 and I agree on something.

We probably agree on a lot of things politically.

Like I'm sure we both agree Trump is in the top 45 of best presidents of all time, but one of us lists him higher than the other.

[Tgo01]

But none of us went and got tested for it because what's the point? I'm just going to stay at home and quarantine myself anyway unless I get real sick so no sense risking getting a bunch of other people infected just to get a test.

I bet a lot of people are like that. In fact I'm pretty sure one of the federal guidelines is to stay home and self quarantine if you aren't feeling well.

Glad you're feeling better.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I know I mentioned this somewhere, probably this thread. My wife was furloughed, essentially laid off from her polysomnography gig. So, like every good legal immigrant, she got recertified as a CCMA, whatever that is, and is now on the front lines actually administering the tests.

Freaks me the fuck out, I hate that she's in contact with all the potentially sick people. But, she's a good person and thought this was the best way to a) continue making money, and b) contribute to the crisis.

Meanwhile, I'm still at home doing statistics for like 4x her wage. What a fucked up world we live in.

edit: got a little carried away with the multiple.

[Risen]

I myself got the virus a couple of weeks ago and a lot of people in my circle of friends have/had it too.

Sorry to hear it got to you. Glad to hear of your path, progress and hope you stay well! Statistics be damned when real people we know are involved.

Oh, snap. Nothing personal SHMage. Especially at that earning level!

[Tgo01]

I know I mentioned this somewhere, probably this thread. My wife was furloughed, essentially laid off from her polysomnography gig. So, like every good legal immigrant, she got recertified as a CCMA, whatever that is, and is now on the front lines actually administering the tests.

Freaks me the fuck out, I hate that she's in contact with all the potentially sick people. But, she's a good person and thought this was the best way to a) continue making money, and b) contribute to the crisis.

Meanwhile, I'm still at home doing statistics for like 4x her wage. What a fucked up world we live in.

edit: got a little carried away with the multiple.

Hope your wife stays safe and healthy.

[Tgo01]

More good news: the number of new daily cases for March 29th was 18,469, meaning the number of new daily cases has actually decreased by 983 from March 28th-29th.

Again it's too early to tell if this is the trend, gonna take at least a week before we can say that, but this is 4 days in a row of declining number of new daily cases.

March 29th's number of new cases was actually 19,913 meaning the number of new daily cases from 28th-29th increased by 461 which is still 300 fewer compared to the day before.

March 30th's number are 20,353, an increase of 440 from 29th-30th meaning the number of new daily cases decreased by 21.

So to recap:
27th: +1467 new daily cases
28th: +761 new daily cases
29th: +461 new daily cases
30th: +440 new daily cases

This is what flattening the curve looks like. Unless a new hot spot(s) starts spreading like wildfire then we are nearing the peak of this shit.

Social distance as much as possible.
Wash your hands frequently.
Don't touch your face.
Cover your cough and sneeze.
Or else I'll have to kick your ass.

[Methais]

Dude.. are you really claiming some sort of high ground here?

"IT'S NOT A MILLION! IT'S ONLY 945,793! TGO01 IS SPREADING FAKE NEWS!!!!!!!!!!!! I GOT HIM! ZIING!!!!

This is like the people today who are screaming RACHEL MADDOW WAS RIGHT IT TOOK THE SHIP 10 DAYS TO SHOW UP THEREFORE TRUMP LIED ABOUT IT BEING A WEEK JUST LIKE SHE SAID HE WAS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Fortybox]

I didn't have a problem with him mentioning God, or even saying that people should be spending this time at home with their loved ones and reading the bible.

I just cringe when people mention God in school because it just causes so much controversy, and I disagree with the notion of God in school depending on what the person means.

Like should students be able to form a religious group and hold prayer circles and be able to pray during class? Sure, as long as none of this is interfering with anything.

Should religion be taught (not studied but taught) in school? Should the teacher be leading a prayer group? Things like that I say no.

I disagree but it's a losing battle. This country was founded upon Christian principles and the scriptures warn about people who deviate from it.

[Parkbandit]

Which isn't true. It's just about a million.

https://covidtracking.com/data/

Actually, the HHS Secretary said "Over 1 million tested" at 5:15PM

Don't take my word for it.. take his.. and I even used a site that you would find totally acceptable: CNN

https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-outbreak-03-30-20-intl-hnk/h_790f14c8fcda097e6c977d1f80270982

[Fortybox]

This is like the people today who are screaming RACHEL MADDOW WAS RIGHT IT TOOK THE SHIP 10 DAYS TO SHOW UP THEREFORE TRUMP LIED ABOUT IT BEING A WEEK JUST LIKE SHE SAID HE WAS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And when the death rate will be significantly less than the models suggest, the left will say Trump killed 10,000 people!!!111one

[Parkbandit]

And when the death rate will be significantly less than the models suggest, the left will say Trump killed 10,000 people!!!111one

and "LOOKS WHAT TRUMP DID TO THE OBAMA RECOVERY ECONOMY!!!!!!!!!!!!"

[Gelston]

My friend who is an ER doctor at one of the big hospitals here in NYC has successfully reconfigured home sleep apnea machines to work as ventilators on corona patients. Pretty amazing stuff and makes you appreciate despite all the political bickering how amazing a country we live in and how much real ingenuity and innovation there is at the ground level.

Also, I myself got the virus a couple of weeks ago and a lot of people in my circle of friends have/had it too. Thankfully just got over it a few days ago with nothing more than basic flu symptoms (dry cough, fever, randomly couldn't smell anything for a few days). But none of us went and got tested for it because what's the point? I'm just going to stay at home and quarantine myself anyway unless I get real sick so no sense risking getting a bunch of other people infected just to get a test. My other friends feel the same way. So I'm pretty sure the actual number of ppl in NYC who have it is way higher than the reported cases and the mortality rate is as a result much lower, probably 0.5-1% or so. The deaths will still go up a lot because it takes a while for people to get it to die, but I think a ton of people are just getting it and dealing with it and recovering on their own without getting tested.

I know I'm one of the lucky ones though so my thanks to all the healthcare workers out there saving lives!

They said here, unless you have severe symptoms and you can quarantine yourself, don’t get tested, just stay home.

[Keller]

My friend who is an ER doctor at one of the big hospitals here in NYC has successfully reconfigured home sleep apnea machines to work as ventilators on corona patients. Pretty amazing stuff and makes you appreciate despite all the political bickering how amazing a country we live in and how much real ingenuity and innovation there is at the ground level.

Also, I myself got the virus a couple of weeks ago and a lot of people in my circle of friends have/had it too. Thankfully just got over it a few days ago with nothing more than basic flu symptoms (dry cough, fever, randomly couldn't smell anything for a few days). But none of us went and got tested for it because what's the point? I'm just going to stay at home and quarantine myself anyway unless I get real sick so no sense risking getting a bunch of other people infected just to get a test. My other friends feel the same way. So I'm pretty sure the actual number of ppl in NYC who have it is way higher than the reported cases and the mortality rate is as a result much lower, probably 0.5-1% or so. The deaths will still go up a lot because it takes a while for people to get it to die, but I think a ton of people are just getting it and dealing with it and recovering on their own without getting tested.

I know I'm one of the lucky ones though so my thanks to all the healthcare workers out there saving lives!

That is good to hear you're recovering.

There is no way to know without widespread serological testing, but that sub 1% number is likely to be right. More anecdotal evidence: a colleague of mine in DC and his entire family (8 kids, 2 parents, 1 grandparent in the house) were/are ill. His mother-in-law is the only one that got tested because she was admitted.

I don't see how we return to anything close to normal life without a vaccine. Some big cities will likely have some semblance of herd immunity if you assume multiples of those tested actually have immunity consistent with the anecdotal evidence. But I'm not sure, with the now near nationwide shelter-in-place orders, that will be true of most of the flyover states. I wonder if next will be a regional quarantine to return to semi-normal life without intercommunity spread and we can manage intracommunity spread when it pops up through the next year.

[Risen]

This looks interesting, especially the projections around curve spike and flattening efforts, needed beds and devices. Just discovered it, so no idea how accurate it might be. But it might be worth keeping handy, too.

https://covid19.healthdata.org/projections

[Fortybox]

That is good to hear you're recovering.

There is no way to know without widespread serological testing, but that sub 1% number is likely to be right. More anecdotal evidence: a colleague of mine in DC and his entire family (8 kids, 2 parents, 1 grandparent in the house) were/are ill. His mother-in-law is the only one that got tested because she was admitted.

I don't see how we return to anything close to normal life without a vaccine. Some big cities will likely have some semblance of herd immunity if you assume multiples of those tested actually have immunity consistent with the anecdotal evidence. But I'm not sure, with the now near nationwide shelter-in-place orders, that will be true of most of the flyover states. I wonder if next will be a regional quarantine to return to semi-normal life without intercommunity spread and we can manage intracommunity spread when it pops up through the next year.

Drama queen alert.

It will be well below 1%...likely .05%. This is politically/media motivated.

[Methais]

I don't see how we return to anything close to normal life without a vaccine.

I can't help but notice that Karens everywhere with their essential oils and healing crystals or whatever the fuck have been strangely silent through all of this. :lol:

[Parkbandit]

Drama queen alert.

It will be well below 1%...likely .05%. This is politically/media motivated.

You better hope you don't have any underage daughters on social media...

[Fortybox]

You better hope you don't have any underage daughters on social media...

https://media.giphy.com/media/321IJtLQP5qvdFVfQa/giphy.gif

[Parkbandit]

https://media.giphy.com/media/321IJtLQP5qvdFVfQa/giphy.gif

https://media.tenor.com/images/c3d1320cc434373ed81d20f7a115f52f/tenor.gif

[Keller]

Drama queen alert.

It will be well below 1%...likely .05%. This is politically/media motivated.

What is "this"?

The statistics? The lack of testing? The virus?

There is a middle ground between avoidance/ignorance and panic. Let's try to meet there.

[Gelston]

What is "this"?

The statistics? The lack of testing? The virus?

There is a middle ground between avoidance/ignorance and panic. Let's try to meet there.

Can you fuck off again? We don't like child predators on the PC.

[Keller]

Compliment an absentee father on lucking into his daughter turning out to not (yet) have daddy issues and you're subject to constant harassment. Shesh!

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Compliment an absentee father on lucking into his daughter turning out to not (yet) have daddy issues and you're subject to constant harassment. Shesh!

Seriously, fucking creepy.

[Keller]

Seriously, fucking creepy.

Do you honestly think looking at a college student's social media page and then trolling their shitty dad for succeeding in raising a decent person is equivalent to being a child predator? C'mon man.

[Astray]

Do you honestly think looking at a college student's social media page and then trolling their shitty dad for succeeding in raising a decent person is equivalent to being a child predator? C'mon man.

That's pretty weird.

[Gelston]

Do you honestly think looking at a college student's social media page and then trolling their shitty dad for succeeding in raising a decent person is equivalent to being a child predator? C'mon man.

It is stalkerish as fuck. The fact that you don't think your behavior wasn't fucking creepy is also pretty goddamn creepy.

[Methais]

Check out #emptyhospitals (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23emptyhospitals&src=typed_query) on Twitter.

[Gelston]

Check out #emptyhospitals on Twitter.

why don't you copy and paste twitter to here, thx.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Do you honestly think looking at a college student's social media page and then trolling their shitty dad for succeeding in raising a decent person is equivalent to being a child predator? C'mon man.


It is stalkerish as fuck. The fact that you don't think your behavior wasn't fucking creepy is also pretty goddamn creepy.

Pretty much what Gelston said.

[Methais]

Do you honestly think looking at a college student's social media page and then trolling their shitty dad for succeeding in raising a decent person is equivalent to being a child predator? C'mon man.

He just said creepy. You equated that with child predator.

Guilty conscience detected.

Good job there Kellerpk.

[Neveragain]

Does Keller have kids? Because Keller sounds like one of those people that doesn't have kids but think they're experts on raising kids.

[Methais]

why don't you copy and paste twitter to here, thx.

https://musically.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/twitter-logo.jpg (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23emptyhospitals&src=typed_query)

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Does Keller have kids? Because Keller sounds like one of those people that doesn't have kids but think they're experts on raising kids.

You should stalk him on Facebook and find out.

[Neveragain]

You should stalk him on Facebook and find out.

Hard pass.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Hard pass.

Too creepy?

[Risen]

March 29th's number of new cases was actually 19,913 meaning the number of new daily cases from 28th-29th increased by 461 which is still 300 fewer compared to the day before.

March 30th's number are 20,353, an increase of 440 from 29th-30th meaning the number of new daily cases decreased by 21.

Good news, March 30 numbers updated again - lower this time, so the spread is even greater. New number at 7PM GMT is 20,297 for a daily decrease of 77.

[Wrathbringer]

Can you fuck off again? We don't like child predators on the PC.

:lol:

[Parkbandit]

Compliment an absentee father on lucking into his daughter turning out to not (yet) have daddy issues and you're subject to constant harassment. Shesh!

Does your wife know you are stalking underage girls on Facebook?

All because I was "mean" to you in World of Warcraft in 2005. 15 years ago.

Creepy doesn't begin to describe you.

You have some seriously mental disabilities that require professional help.

I hope you are at least registered. If you would be THIS fucking creepy to a random guy on the Internet over a game.. I can't imagine what you would do to your poor neighbors with adolescent daughters if they accidentally walked on your lawn or something.

[Parkbandit]

Good news, March 30 numbers updated again - lower this time, so the spread is even greater. New number at 7PM GMT is 20,297 for a daily decrease of 77.

So.. still not your 4.5 - 6% death rate.

I'm shocked.

Really.

Keep us updated.

[Methais]

:lol:

:lol:

[Archigeek]

Good news, March 30 numbers updated again - lower this time, so the spread is even greater. New number at 7PM GMT is 20,297 for a daily decrease of 77.

So still on an upward trajectory, but with less velocity of increase. Let's hope that continues to level off and finally start to drop.

[Tgo01]

Do you honestly think looking at a college student's social media page and then trolling their shitty dad for succeeding in raising a decent person is equivalent to being a child predator? C'mon man.

I can't believe you're still clinging to this notion that you did nothing wrong. The fuck is wrong with you?

Just don't start sucking Chinese dick and helping them spread their propaganda here on the PC, Seran already has that covered for you.

[Tgo01]

If we look at the number of cases per state on a per capita basis, the entire US is actually doing extremely well except for NY and NJ. Like literally the US as a whole would be in good shape if not for the massive fuck up of these two states.

So what did these two states do wrong that other states didn't do?

Part of the reason can be chalked up to population density, but then again states like Florida, California, Texas, and Washington also have large cities with a very dense population and they aren't doing nearly as bad as NY and NJ. It was just a few weeks ago that Washington was considered the epicenter of the outbreak in the US and now the state is doing extremely well.

Part of it is probably all of those morons going to Florida for Spring Break and spreading the virus all around and then all of those students returning home, a lot of which probably came from NY and NJ.

Then there is the terrible leadership problem. Both states (although to be fair it was mostly the leadership of NYC specifically which accounts for almost half the population of the state) were too busy downplaying the severity of the problem because they had to stick it to the Orange Man because he was busy restricting travel from China and putting together a task force to deal with an infectious virus that came from China. Yes, the so called "leadership" of NYC and to a lesser extent the states of NY and NJ were willing to put the lives of their own citizens at risk to appear more "woke" and to prove to Trump and his administration that they weren't racists. These same "leaders" are now pinning all of the blame squarely on Trump because they are failed leaders, failed politicians, and above all failed human beings.

Keep this in mind at the voting booth, but I'm sure many of you are still too wrapped up in your own absurd TDS to let any facts get through that thick skull of yours.

[Risen]

Rough day today around the globe and here at home. I do not look forward to Tgo01's analysis.

Worldwide
deaths / cases: 4.91%
deaths / closed: 19.2 %
deaths per million: 5.4

US
deaths / cases: 2.06 %
deaths / closed: > 33 % (too early ? in the recovery stages to be reliable)
deaths per million: 11.7

Results from https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ with dataset from 12:02 AM GMT. Data is updated about every 2 or 3 minutes, so your results may vary.

[Keller]

If we look at the number of cases per state on a per capita basis, the entire US is actually doing extremely well except for NY and NJ. Like literally the US as a whole would be in good shape if not for the massive fuck up of these two states.

So what did these two states do wrong that other states didn't do?

Part of the reason can be chalked up to population density, but then again states like Florida, California, Texas, and Washington also have large cities with a very dense population and they aren't doing nearly as bad as NY and NJ. It was just a few weeks ago that Washington was considered the epicenter of the outbreak in the US and now the state is doing extremely well.

Part of it is probably all of those morons going to Florida for Spring Break and spreading the virus all around and then all of those students returning home, a lot of which probably came from NY and NJ.

Then there is the terrible leadership problem. Both states (although to be fair it was mostly the leadership of NYC specifically which accounts for almost half the population of the state) were too busy downplaying the severity of the problem because they had to stick it to the Orange Man because he was busy restricting travel from China and putting together a task force to deal with an infectious virus that came from China. Yes, the so called "leadership" of NYC and to a lesser extent the states of NY and NJ were willing to put the lives of their own citizens at risk to appear more "woke" and to prove to Trump and his administration that they weren't racists. These same "leaders" are now pinning all of the blame squarely on Trump because they are failed leaders, failed politicians, and above all failed human beings.

Keep this in mind at the voting booth, but I'm sure many of you are still too wrapped up in your own absurd TDS to let any facts get through that thick skull of yours.

Time will tell.

I hope you're right that the worst will be in NYC/NJ/CA and that slower acting states like Florida and Texas will be spared.

[Keller]

Rough day today around the globe and here at home. I do not look forward to Tgo01's analysis.

Worldwide
deaths / cases: 4.91%
deaths / closed: 19.2 %
deaths per million: 5.4

US
deaths / cases: 2.06 %
deaths / closed: > 33 % (too early ? in the recovery stages to be reliable)
deaths per million: 11.7

Results from https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ with dataset from 12:02 AM GMT. Data is updated about every 2 or 3 minutes, so your results may vary.

Some good news: serology testing is being fast tracked by the FDA (link to article (https://www.axios.com/fda-coronavirus-two-minute-testing-kit-bodysphere-a665429d-488d-4edf-bd36-9180e2a06e4c.html?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=organic&utm_content=1100&fbclid=IwAR0ElcoXjuDs3W8O7BVtnxpJYL89Kux4Jt1ayoUvd jjvroLv6vCoulhoqi8)). Between (i) knowing who [likely] has immunity and (ii) having better data on mortality rate (because we'll know who was infected without being tested), hopefully we'll have a clearer perspective on the virus.

[Archigeek]

Some good news: serology testing is being fast tracked by the FDA (link to article (https://www.axios.com/fda-coronavirus-two-minute-testing-kit-bodysphere-a665429d-488d-4edf-bd36-9180e2a06e4c.html?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=organic&utm_content=1100&fbclid=IwAR0ElcoXjuDs3W8O7BVtnxpJYL89Kux4Jt1ayoUvd jjvroLv6vCoulhoqi8)). Between (i) knowing who [likely] has immunity and (ii) having better data on mortality rate (because we'll know who was infected without being tested), hopefully we'll have a clearer perspective on the virus.

Finally, an antibody test. This is a huge step if it works.

[Tgo01]

CNN literally cutting away during the press briefing when Trump talks.

What a bunch of pieces of shit.

[Tgo01]

Bad news is the US had a total of 24,742 new daily cases on March 31st, reversing the trend of the previous few days of the number of new daily infections slowing. Same with the number of new daily deaths, it had pretty much stabilized in the ~500 range but shot up to 748 on March 31st, that could just be an outlier or it could be a bad omen.

There is some good news though. Here is the total number of US cases for March and how long it took the number to double:



1st: 75
2nd: 100
3rd: 124
4th: 158 3 days to double
5th: 221
6th: 319 2 days to double
7th: 435
8th: 541
9th: 704 3 days to double
10th: 994
11th: 1301
12th: 1630 3 days to double
13th: 2183
14th: 2770
15th: 3613 3 days to double
16th: 4596
17th: 6344
18th: 9197 3 days to double
19th: 13,779
20th: 19,367 2 days to double
21st: 24,192
22nd: 33,592
23rd: 43,781 3 days to double
24th: 54,856
25th: 68,211
26th: 85,435 3 days to double
27th: 104,126
28th: 123,578
29th: 143,491
30th: 163,788
31st: 188,530 5 days to double

For almost the entire month it was taking 2 or 3 days for the number of cases to double, the last doubling in March took 5 days. That's a good sign.

Also some good news for most of the country with the exception of NY and NJ. Most of the country seems to have a good handle on this, it's mostly centered around NY and NJ at the moment. Even though NY and NJ only make up 8.7% of the US' total population they had 37% of the share of deaths on March 31st, they account for over 50% of the total cases in the US, and account for 47% of the total deaths in the US.

Also at the beginning of March NY had 1 case and the number doubled 10 times to 75,795 cases on March 31st. California, a much bigger state and currently has the third highest number of cases, had 53 cases on March 4th and the number doubled 7 times to 6,932 on March 31st. Many states are similar to California where they are keeping the numbers relatively low and the number of times the cases have doubled lower than NY.

This could mean one of two things:

The bad possibility: The rest of the US has yet to experience what NY is currently experiencing but will experience it soon, quite possibly because of morons from NY fleeing the state to stay with friends or relatives or going to their summer home and not self quarantining.

The good possibility: This is a unique situation in NY because New Yorkers didn't take this crisis seriously because people like de Blasio were telling people to live their lives normally and get on the subway and "of course, go to the Chinese New Year's Parade" as recently as just 14 days ago. Also because of dipshits like this man in NY (https://www.uppermichiganssource.com/content/news/Man-hides-coronavirus-symptoms-to-visit-expectant-wife-at-NY-hospital-569273191.html) who knew he probably had the Wuhan Virus but lied to hospital staff about his symptoms so he could visit his wife in the hospital after she delivered her baby and ended up probably infecting his wife and possibly infecting hospital staff and other patients.

[Tgo01]

Also because of dipshits like this man in NY (https://www.uppermichiganssource.com/content/news/Man-hides-coronavirus-symptoms-to-visit-expectant-wife-at-NY-hospital-569273191.html) who knew he probably had the Wuhan Virus but lied to hospital staff about his symptoms so he could visit his wife in the hospital after she delivered her baby and ended up probably infecting his wife and possibly infecting hospital staff and other patients.

Also because of pieces of shit like this man (https://nypost.com/2020/03/30/brooklyn-man-arrested-for-hoarding-masks-coughing-on-fbi-agents/) that had over 80,000 masks plus other medical supplies that he was hoarding and selling for 700%+ markup. Oh yeah, and where was he getting all of these masks?

Looks like Trump might have been on to something when he said masks were being stolen from NY hospitals and the media and Democrats said he was an idiot for even suggesting that. Imagine hating Trump so much that as a reporter you choose not to follow up on a possible lead the president puts out there, but instead choose to ignore said lead and attack the president for even suggesting it.

[Ardwen]

To many states are barely testing still, and several are doing next to nothing at all, like China the US has vastly more cases then the numbers show, good news is of course that means survival rate is higher, bad news is until samples of previously deceased are tested we also don't have even remotely accurate totals of deaths either. Texas and Florida in particular are very likely to throw the numbers into chaos when they truly start to really test, since neither seems ot care much state wide about stopping contact or distancing.

[Keller]

Also because of pieces of shit like this man (https://nypost.com/2020/03/30/brooklyn-man-arrested-for-hoarding-masks-coughing-on-fbi-agents/) that had over 80,000 masks plus other medical supplies that he was hoarding and selling for 700%+ markup.

People like that are the reason public execution was so popular.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

People like that are the reason public execution was so popular.

*IS* popular.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

https://www.postfun.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/quarantine-joke-17-58415.jpg?width=800&height=671

[Wrathbringer]

Also because of pieces of shit like this man (https://nypost.com/2020/03/30/brooklyn-man-arrested-for-hoarding-masks-coughing-on-fbi-agents/) that had over 80,000 masks plus other medical supplies that he was hoarding and selling for 700%+ markup.

Probably Ardwen. That's his m.o.

[barbarous]

To many states are barely testing still, and several are doing next to nothing at all, like China the US has vastly more cases then the numbers show, good news is of course that means survival rate is higher, bad news is until samples of previously deceased are tested we also don't have even remotely accurate totals of deaths either. Texas and Florida in particular are very likely to throw the numbers into chaos when they truly start to really test, since neither seems ot care much state wide about stopping contact or distancing.

Wut? I live in a one of the largest cities in the nation, which is located in Texas and can take a drive and get tested if I exhibit symptoms. All non-essential services are shut down (most local restaurants and businesses that are not part of a chain are closed). It takes roughly 1 week to get groceries delivered because people are trying to avoid going shopping. The largest congregation of people I have seen are people jogging and I'm working from home.
There are many, many others who do not have that capability for their jobs filing for unemployment when their business or job site closed. Pretty much every restaurants that is not a chain that answers to share holders or a franchise owner is shut down. I'm unsure about religious events because I'm not religious, but I'm pretty sure I saw that most of the clergy are conducting services via video. Home Depot and Lowes are still open along with gas stations and grocery stores. Schools and universities are shut down, the same with clubs and indoor dining (because lots of people don't know how to cook, drive through and delivery are open, and the people in drive through are all wearing gloves and some wearing masks). Movie theaters are shut down.

Hospitals (I have several people I am close to that work in them) are wearing appropriate PPE, and while seeing higher than average numbers coming in, are not in the situation that New York experiencing. People who come into the hospital exhibiting symptoms are tested.

Naturally there are outliers, but then there always are. Hell, I hate Texas ( I was interviewing for jobs outside of the state at the beginning of the year to get out of Texas) and think the governor did the right thing in letting mayors decide on how to handle and organize the issue for each area. It's easier for each mayor to organize his or her own area of responsibility. It's not like the governor or any of the mayors were telling people to ride the subway and lick the railing because it's perfectly safe like some others did in order keep the economy going.

Admittedly in the rural areas testing is a bit more difficult to get due to distances involved and because rural hospital budgets have been cut to the bone. Rural doctors are also closing practices (in some cases giving up medicine entirely) due to frivolous lawsuits by people who happen to be passing through and want some USD. Unfortunately it gets paid out because it's cheaper for the insurance companies to pay out than fight and raise the rates of the rural doctor to the point of causing bankruptcy. Is that what you're referring to in your statement? Medical malpractice lawyers upped the volume of cases after tort laws were passed a while back.

Where are you getting the idea that testing is not available in regions that have a high population density or that most areas are not under a stay at home order of some sort? Can you link the article, because I'm going to have to call that click bait.

Just to add on to this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_counties_in_Texas - list of counties

Random sampling of websites for the counties with covid orders (I haven't been to most of these places, and wouldn't know where some of them were are if they weren't on the map)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glasscock_County,_Texas - http://www.co.glasscock.tx.us/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chambers_County,_Texas - https://www.co.chambers.tx.us/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cottle_County,_Texas - http://www.co.cottle.tx.us/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bowie_County,_Texas - http://www.co.bowie.tx.us/

[Archigeek]

Who's stepping up to the plate:

In the interest of hearing some cool positive stories in all this, I thought it would be cool to list companies that are stepping up to the plate and shifting gears to make necessary gear to fight the Covid19 pandemic. Here are 2 that make total sense, and are happening:

Dyson, the vacuum maker, making respirators.

Bauer, maker of hockey gear, now manufacturing protective face shields.

Way to go humans!

[~Rocktar~]

A bit of a short list, sorry, not as specific as you may want.


Carnival Cruise line told Trump, “We can match those big Navy hospital ships with some fully staffed cruise ships.”
GM & Ford said, “Hold our cars, watch this; we can make ventilators where we were making cars by next week.”
Construction companies said, “Here are some masks for the medical staff & doctors.”
Restaurants & schools said, “We’ve got kitchens & staff; we can feed the kids.”
NHL & NBA players are writing checks to pay the arena staff during postponed seasons.
Churches are holding online services & taking care of their members & community.
Women & children are making homemade masks & handing out snacks to truckers.
Breweries are making sanitizer out of the left-over ingredients.
We thought we couldn’t live without baseball, hockey, & NASCAR, or going to beaches, restaurants, or a bar.. Instead, we’re ordering take-out to help keep businesses alive.

[Tgo01]

You watch the press briefing and you watch it now!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRKRE7OglD8

[Tgo01]

https://www.dailywire.com/news/breaking-u-s-intelligence-tells-trump-that-china-intentionally-lied-about-coronavirus-outbreak-report-says

US intelligence agencies (remember we have to believe them 100% of the time) reported that China purposefully lied about the number of cases and deaths in their country. If they had been honest about how deadly this disease was from the very beginning then countries all around the world could have better prepared themselves.

But instead China lied and unleashed a virus on the world that has killed tens of thousands and they are now profiting off of this by selling medical supplies (that don't work half the time) to countries in desperate need of said supplies.

So fuck you, Seran, for telling me it's racist to refer to this as the Chinese virus or the Wuhan virus. Take that fucking Chinese dick out of your mouth already.

[Alfster]

Did anyone actually believe China?

[Gelston]

Did anyone actually believe China?

I know people that are ignoring the fact that China was hiding shit and lying about the virus to try and say Trump acted too late.

[Astray]

BuT wHy WoUlD cHiNa LiE

[Tgo01]

Did anyone actually believe China?

The WHO for one praised China for how well they handled the outbreak.

Some in the news media have used China's fake numbers to say how shitty of a job Trump has done compared to China.

So have any normal people believed China? No.

Have those with a narrative to push gulped down whatever came out of China's dick? Yes.

[Seran]

Someone's got a really strange obsession with interracial fellatio.

[Risen]

Not a good day, again. Rather than posting all the numbers, I'll just state they all went up by a sobering amount. Details available for anyone's personal view / confirmation at https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Sadly, we're likely to cross a million cases globally and head towards crossing 250K cases US tomorrow.

[Keller]

I don't understand the binary argument happening in here.

Either China lied or the Federal government waited too long to act.

Why not both? Why did State governments act so much faster? Why were Federal legislators buying and selling stocks on Congressional briefings while downplaying the severity of the outbreak.

I don't accept the notion China obfuscating the severity of the outbreak gives a hall pass to our leaders to sit on their hands and hope it doesn't impact their stock portfolios (or, in some cases, actively trade in a manner that HELPED their stock portfolios).

[Tgo01]

I don't understand the binary argument happening in here.

Either China lied or the Federal government waited too long to act.

Why not both? Why did State governments act so much faster? Why were Federal legislators buying and selling stocks on Congressional briefings while downplaying the severity of the outbreak.

I don't accept the notion China obfuscating the severity of the outbreak gives a hall pass to our leaders to sit on their hands and hope it doesn't impact their stock portfolios (or, in some cases, actively trade in a manner that HELPED their stock portfolios).

Absolutely cities like NYC waited too long and are now paying the price.

I just don't know what else people wanted Trump specifically to do. The mayor of NYC was telling citizens to go about their lives as normal and telling everyone they were safe and healthy while Trump was literally urging Americans to stay home and was urging almost the entire US economy to shut down.

The mayor of New Orleans also blames Trump for HER not canceling Mardi Gras, even though by then all sports had pretty much been canceled and cities and states were bracing for the worst, and now it's looking like Louisiana might be another hot spot soon.

The city of Detroit did next to nothing to implement procedures and the state government of Michigan as a whole didn't do much either, BOTH of which are now also blaming Trump for Michigan (more specifically Detroit) being the next hot spot.

I'm willing to accept failures on the part of US politicians. I don't think Trump was one of them.

[Keller]

The state of Michigan was one of the first states to close schools, close public meetings spaces, and shelter in place. Our governor has done a tremendous job leading and making difficult decisions.

The day schools closed, many of my neighbors were PISSED at the governor for essentially closing down public education "for the flu."

I don't know what the mayor of Detroit did or did not to. I'm on the other side of the state and don't really pay attention to them. I care more about what's happening in Chicago as that's our major community hub in west Michigan.

There will be a time to assess blame (like why the fuck did testing take so damn long?) - I think right now we need to hope our leaders continue to make difficult choices based on the best available information.

[Risen]

I'm willing to accept failures on the part of US politicians. I don't think Trump was one of them.

So this is where you and I differ, greatly. I agree - Trump didn't fail. Sure, he could have done a few things different. But the response occurs best on the ground, locally. Those that knew that, and acted, are comparatively better off.

I do not accept the failures of those in office who did not act with conviction and instead are trying to push off blame. No. Hell no. Each one should be facing criminal charges.

[Tgo01]

The state of Michigan was one of the first states to close schools, close public meetings spaces, and shelter in place. Our governor has done a tremendous job leading and making difficult decisions.

The governor didn't order a shelter in place until the state had almost 2k cases.

California shut down when the state had 1k cases, Oregon 200 cases, Louisiana 1k cases.

The cases in Michigan were doubling and tripling overnight for days before she finally issued a stay at home order. It was never that bad in Florida (and they finally issued a state wide stay at home order today) even with Spring Break (although I do blame those cities for not closing the beaches during Spring Break), and even now Florida has fewer cases than Michigan and only a third of the deaths even though Florida has over twice the population yet for some reason people are saying what a shitty governor DeSantis is and praising what a great leader Whitmer is, even though her "actions" has mostly been just blaming Trump for her state's problems. Although to be fair I pin most of the blame on cities and their political leaders because they are the first ones who should be able to see how the virus is affecting their city.


There will be a time to assess blame

You're the one who asked why we can't blame both China for lying and US leadership.


(like why the fuck did testing take so damn long?)

Again we can thank China in part for that. The CDC literally asked China if they could send in some experts to observe and help so the US could better prepare and China told the CDC to fuck off. Maybe if our experts were allowed in we would have been better prepared with a test before things turned to shit here.

[Tgo01]

So this is where you and I differ, greatly. I agree - Trump didn't fail. Sure, he could have done a few things different. But the response occurs best on the ground, locally. Those that knew that, and acted, are comparatively better off.

I do not accept the failures of those in office who did not act with conviction and instead are trying to push off blame. No. Hell no. Each one should be facing criminal charges.

How do we differ? Sounds like we're agreeing. Well, I'm not so sure about criminal charges, although I think a case could be made for de Blasio.

[Risen]

Uh oh. You said you were willing to accept failures. Did I miss that damn sarcasm note again? Fuuu...

[Tgo01]

Uh oh. You said you were willing to accept failures. Did I miss that damn sarcasm note again? Fuuu...

Accept as in I am willing to admit that some US politicians fucked up the response, not that I'm giving them a pass.

Really I think by far the biggest fuck up has been from Mayor de Blassio. He should be getting raked over the coals in the US media but he's largely remained unscathed because the media is too obsessed with blaming Trump for literally everything.

[Tgo01]

Rep. Adam Schiff (D-Calif.) is drafting legislation that would set up an independent commission that would investigate why the country was unprepared for the coronavirus pandemic.

This fucker going to look at Congress' failings and the failings of state and local governments? Or is this just yet another bullshit attempt to impeach Trump?

[Risen]

You will not get an argument from me, but I do have to say I am focused on other things. Your information on rate of increase is a key element, information about the potential for antivirals or vaccinations is really important, and the newly released 5 to 15 minute testing ability is essential if we are going to get serious about slowing this down and preventing a second wave later in the year.

These are the key things today. I will be very happy with those because then there's no chance we will hit 100K to 200K deaths, no matter how the percentages shake out. Right now, all I got are these miserable percentages and not enough information to see this going anywhere but up.

My point - Let the noisemakers make noise. Focus maniacally on reversing then arresting this horrible trend. We can clean up the shit-stains when it is time to do the laundry.

[Tgo01]

NY and NJ accounted for 43% of the new cases and 57% of the new deaths for April 1st, even though they account for only 8.7% of the entire US population.

Again this either shows that NY and NJ massively fucked up and helped this thing spread across the US, or that rest of the US has yet to experience what NY and NJ are experiencing. I'm hoping it's the former.

[~Rocktar~]

Coronavirus and Islam: Pakistani clerics refuse to shut down mosques

As Islamic clerics refuse to stop allowing religious congregations, Prime Minister Imran Khan continues to downplay the coronavirus threat to his country. Could this be a "recipe for disaster" for Pakistan?

amp.dw.com/en/coronavirus-and-islam-pakistani-clerics-refuse-to-shut-down-mosques/a-52969639

[Parkbandit]

amp.dw.com/en/coronavirus-and-islam-pakistani-clerics-refuse-to-shut-down-mosques/a-52969639 (http://amp.dw.com/en/coronavirus-and-islam-pakistani-clerics-refuse-to-shut-down-mosques/a-52969639)

There are plenty of Christian houses of worship that are doing the same thing. One got arrested in Florida on Sunday.

This isn't a religious issue.. this is a stupid people doing stupid things issue.

[Archigeek]

NY and NJ accounted for 43% of the new cases and 57% of the new deaths for April 1st, even though they account for only 8.7% of the entire US population.

Again this either shows that NY and NJ massively fucked up and helped this thing spread across the US, or that rest of the US has yet to experience what NY and NJ are experiencing. I'm hoping it's the former.

Or it's possible that NYC area is just densely populated. People pack onto the subway, and are shoulder to shoulder on the sidewalk. Compare it to the other really high population region in the US, LA, where most people travel by car. Totally different results. Or Houston, same deal. The one constant we've seen in outbreaks is that high population areas see much more rapid spread. This also correlates with douche bag religious leaders who think God will provide immunity for their flock if they show up for church. Some of the worst outbreaks have come from such events.

[Tgo01]

Or it's possible that NYC area is just densely populated. People pack onto the subway, and are shoulder to shoulder on the sidewalk.

Not buying it. Los Angeles has a population density that isn't too far off from NYC's population density and yet California as a whole as about a 4th of the number of cases NYC alone has. Boston area has a little bit less population density than NYC but MA as a whole has even fewer cases than California.


Compare it to the other really high population region in the US, LA, where most people travel by car. Totally different results. Or Houston, same deal.

Yeah, and guess which city's mayor was encouraging people to live their life as normal and assuring them they had nothing to worry about in the middle of March when Trump was asking all Americans to social distance and stay at home as much as possible and encouraging states and business to close down?

[Methais]

Time will tell.

I hope you're right that the worst will be in NYC/NJ/CA and that slower acting states like Florida and Texas will be spared. But that's only so FL and TX can get wrecked by hurricanes later on because I don't like how they vote.

Fixed.

[Methais]

Did anyone actually believe China?

Seran does.

[Seran]

Not buying it. Los Angeles has a population density that isn't too far off from NYC's population density and yet California as a whole as about a 4th of the number of cases NYC alone has. Boston area has a little bit less population density than NYC but MA as a whole has even fewer cases than California.



Yeah, and guess which city's mayor was encouraging people to live their life as normal and assuring them they had nothing to worry about in the middle of March when Trump was asking all Americans to social distance and stay at home as much as possible and encouraging states and business to close down?

You never miss an opportunity to minimize your dipshit President's fuckups while trying to blame any Democrat you can find.

At the same time De Blasio was foolishly telling everyone it was okay to go to the movies, the President was addressing a national audience playing up the coronavirus as no different than a seasonal flu. In January the President was downplaying the coronavirus as only a regional illness in China, saying "We have it totally under control. It’s one person coming in from China, and we have it under control. It’s going to be just fine.” and waiting two more weeks to even issue travel restrictions.

So while the President was using his bully pulpit on Twitter to demonize the media for reporting on COVID-19, saying they're blowing it all out of proportion, do you really think he has no culpability? Really?

[Keller]

The governor didn't order a shelter in place until the state had almost 2k cases.

California shut down when the state had 1k cases, Oregon 200 cases, Louisiana 1k cases.

The cases in Michigan were doubling and tripling overnight for days before she finally issued a stay at home order. It was never that bad in Florida (and they finally issued a state wide stay at home order today) even with Spring Break (although I do blame those cities for not closing the beaches during Spring Break), and even now Florida has fewer cases than Michigan and only a third of the deaths even though Florida has over twice the population yet for some reason people are saying what a shitty governor DeSantis is and praising what a great leader Whitmer is, even though her "actions" has mostly been just blaming Trump for her state's problems. Although to be fair I pin most of the blame on cities and their political leaders because they are the first ones who should be able to see how the virus is affecting their city.

We had 1035 cases on March 23, the date Whitmer ordered the shelter in place.

The virus cases don't double or triple overnight. Testing reveals more cases, maybe, but that just means Michigan ramped up testing (to be clear, I didn't check your claim of doubling or tripling as it doesn't reveal much whether it is correct or not since we already know the R factor for Covid-19).

In general I think you've got a political axe to grind and I don't think it is productive at this time.

[Methais]

The mayor of New Orleans also blames Trump for HER not canceling Mardi Gras, even though by then all sports had pretty much been canceled and cities and states were bracing for the worst, and now it's looking like Louisiana might be another hot spot soon.

I wonder if it's also Trump's fault that she hasn't paid her federal taxes in 9 years and still hasn't done shit about that collapsed Hard Rock Hotel while there are still like 2 or 3 corpses up there, legs just dangling off the side and all while she continues to give zero fucks about it.

Yes, that's definitely Trump's fault too.

Perhaps this is why Trump's ratings are so high, because people want to get the info straight from him and not from a bunch of jizz drinking "journalists" giving their butthurt fueled interpretation of things they wish happened and where things happen like hospitals in Italy teleport to New York and all that.

[Methais]

I may be a heartless asshole, but I'm principled.

My take on the hurricane was (i) scientists claim these sorts of powerful storms are more common because of global warming and (ii) the Republican party is dragging its feet on recognizing global warming as a critical issue facing the world, therefore (iii) I'd rather see these powerful storms impact the people who have the most responsibility for not doing what we can to mitigate them.

I don't think there is a similar take on Covid-19. If there were a vaccine and it was spreading and killing anti-vaxxers disproportionately, then I'd have a similar take. But it's just a tragedy for everyone.

No, you're just being a shitty person. At best, extremely ignorant if you think those areas have a 100% republican population. Which they don't. Which means you also want your fellow democrats to die in a storm because they live in the same area as people who don't vote the way you want them to.

Also, your "pay attention to me" thread is stupid and gay, so I'm going to reply in the original threads instead.

[Neveragain]

I don't care how many people die in NYC, it's been known for well over a century that densely populated areas are more susceptible to disease transmission. They deserve it.

[Archigeek]

Not buying it. Los Angeles has a population density that isn't too far off from NYC's population density and yet California as a whole as about a 4th of the number of cases NYC alone has. Boston area has a little bit less population density than NYC but MA as a whole has even fewer cases than California.

Your ignorance of the facts does not stop them from being facts.


The city's population density of 26,403 people per square mile (10,194/km²), makes it the densest of any American municipality with a population above 100,000. Manhattan's population density is 66,940 people per square mile (25,846/km²), highest of any county in the United States.


The 2010 United States Census[107] reported Los Angeles had a population of 3,792,621.[108] The population density was 8,092.3 people per square mile (2,913.0/km²).

The density of NYC is 3x that of LA. It's a huge factor, particularly when you consider the transportation method differences.

[Methais]

The density of Lorraine Baines is George McFly.

This is correct.

[Astray]

They were building a Dairy Queen out here but they stopped now. This quarantine is fucking gay.

[Methais]

Coronavirus update: More than 1 million masks coming from China thanks to ... the New England Patriots? (https://www.nj.com/giants/2020/04/coronavirus-update-more-than-1-million-masks-coming-from-china-thanks-to-the-new-england-patriots.html)
https://www.nj.com/resizer/3KsBhs3nV0co2n8mbq8xcS-1HUY=/1280x0/smart/arc-anglerfish-arc2-prod-advancelocal.s3.amazonaws.com/public/QTDEMJHCHFBLVBWXO2ZJFNCYQQ.jpg

I got 17 Simucoins that says the masks are all pre-infected.

[Methais]

WaPo: It’s time to practice social and economic distancing from China (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/03/19/its-time-practice-social-economic-distancing-china)

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[Parkbandit]

No, you're just being a shitty person. At best, extremely ignorant if you think those areas have a 100% republican population. Which they don't. Which means you also want your fellow democrats to die in a storm because they live in the same area as people who don't vote the way you want them to.

Also, your "pay attention to me" thread is stupid and gay, so I'm going to reply in the original threads instead.

You better hope you don't have young daughters...

[Methais]

You better hope you don't have young daughters...

I have a 3 year old:

https://i.imgur.com/rlTlFWa.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/KEwV9Ou.jpg

[Seran]

They were building a Dairy Queen out here but they stopped now. This quarantine is fucking gay.

Your county/state hasn't declared construction essential? That sucks, everyone could use a blizzard from to time

[Ashlander]

I have a 3 year old:

https://i.imgur.com/rlTlFWa.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/KEwV9Ou.jpg

She's got your eyes and your wife's facial hair.

[Tgo01]

At the same time De Blasio was foolishly telling everyone it was okay to go to the movies, the President was addressing a national audience playing up the coronavirus as no different than a seasonal flu.

No, you worthless Communist Chinese dick sucker, in mid-March Trump was asking every American to social distance, stay at home as much as possible, and encouraging most of the economy to shut down, de Blasio on the other hand was telling New Yorkers to go about their life as normal.

[Tgo01]

The virus cases don't double or triple overnight. Testing reveals more cases, maybe, but that just means Michigan ramped up testing (to be clear, I didn't check your claim of doubling or tripling as it doesn't reveal much whether it is correct or not since we already know the R factor for Covid-19).

Yeah and the R0 factor for the Wuhan Virus is 2.2 or greater.


In general I think you've got a political axe to grind and I don't think it is productive at this time.

Oh fuck you Mr. "I hope people I disagree with politically die!" in the middle of a different crisis.

[Tgo01]

Your ignorance of the facts does not stop them from being facts.





The density of NYC is 3x that of LA. It's a huge factor, particularly when you consider the transportation method differences.

You just skipped right over Boston there I see. There are parts of LA that are way more dense than the total here but if you want to focus on the total fine, NYC being 3 times as dense as LA still doesn't explain why NY has 40% of the cases in the US and why NYC alone has almost 20% of the cases in the US. Yes population density explains some of it, no shit, but it doesn't explain all of it.

[Tgo01]

Coronavirus update: More than 1 million masks coming from China thanks to ... the New England Patriots? (https://www.nj.com/giants/2020/04/coronavirus-update-more-than-1-million-masks-coming-from-china-thanks-to-the-new-england-patriots.html)
https://www.nj.com/resizer/3KsBhs3nV0co2n8mbq8xcS-1HUY=/1280x0/smart/arc-anglerfish-arc2-prod-advancelocal.s3.amazonaws.com/public/QTDEMJHCHFBLVBWXO2ZJFNCYQQ.jpg

I got 17 Simucoins that says the masks are all pre-infected.


As the Trump administration has been slow to respond to the coronavirus pandemic, states have been left to fend for themselves and find their own medical supplies, which are running dangerously low.

One thing this crisis has taught me: state and local governments are proving there is absolutely no fucking reason to pay state or local taxes. This has been the excuse of countless cities and governments "But...but Trump isn't doing enough!!"

Are local and state governments not also supposed to help and prepare in a crisis like this? It's all up to the federal government? I mean if that's what cities and states are saying then fine, great, but why the fuck are we still paying state and local taxes then?

[Archigeek]

You just skipped right over Boston there I see. There are parts of LA that are way more dense than the total here but if you want to focus on the total fine, NYC being 3 times as dense as LA still doesn't explain why NY has 40% of the cases in the US and why NYC alone has almost 20% of the cases in the US. Yes population density explains some of it, no shit, but it doesn't explain all of it.

You are ignoring how disease is transmitted because you want a certain answer, not because ignoring it makes any logical sense for you to do so. You are lying to yourself to suit your own narrative.

A 3x density doesn't just result in a 3x transmission of disease, because people are in close proximity with each other far more often. Add in the social differences between NYC and LA, and it is no surprise that the disease has spread more quickly. A commuter in LA, drives for 90 minutes, alone in their car. A commuter in NYC, is on a full subway for 45 minutes. Which one is more likely to get Covid19? Is the one on the subway 3x more likely than the one in the car, or 30x more likely? I bet it's quite a lot more than 3x.

Boston's population density is about 13,000 people per square mile. Less than half the density of NYC.

[ClydeR]

Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, revealed on Tuesday that the White House coronavirus task force is seriously considering guidance that Americans wear masks to help thwart the rapid spread of COVID-19.

But the country’s top infectious disease expert also acknowledged that such a directive has been complicated by the nationwide dearth of personal protective equipment.

More... (https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/31/fauci-mask-recommendation-coronavirus-157476)



It's a good thing I'm not the sort of person who likes to say I told you so. Because if I was, I would undoubtedly quote what I said on March 1, #57, which was, "On Fox News Sunday this morning, HHS Secretary Azar said people should not buy face masks to protect themselves from the coronavirus. What he said is just not true. I guarantee you that if there were enough face masks for everybody, he would be saying the opposite."

Don't overlook my most recent post on this subject, #961, on March 29. It could literally save your life.

[Tgo01]

You are ignoring how disease is transmitted because you want a certain answer, not because ignoring it makes any logical sense for you to do so. You are lying to yourself to suit your own narrative.

A 3x density doesn't just result in a 3x transmission of disease, because people are in close proximity with each other far more often. Add in the social differences between NYC and LA, and it is no surprise that the disease has spread more quickly. A commuter in LA, drives for 90 minutes, alone in their car. A commuter in NYC, is on a full subway for 45 minutes. Which one is more likely to get Covid19? Is the one on the subway 3x more likely than the one in the car, or 30x more likely? I bet it's quite a lot more than 3x.

Boston's population density is about 13,000 people per square mile. Less than half the density of NYC.

No shit 3x density doesn't just result in 3x transmission speed.

For you always pointing to what a success South Korea is it sure is strange how you are suddenly quiet about South Korea. Seoul, the capital of South Korea with a population of about 2 million more people and a population density twice that of NYC, they sure didn't have this much of a mess on their hands.

You have to ask yourself what's going on here: Seoul didn't have this problem NYC has, other large metropolitan areas in the US aren't having the same problem metropolitan areas in NYC and NJ are having.

It's either a failure of leadership or the rest of the US is equally as fucked (per capita wise) in the coming weeks. I'm not buying the "NYC has more population density! It's not their fault!!" excuse. Yes, I'll willing to admit population density is a factor here, but not a factor where NY state accounts for almost half of all cases in the US.

de Blasio could have closed down non-essential subway routes sooner. He could have closed down schools sooner. He could have closed down non-essential businesses and travel sooner. He could have urged everyone to wear masks before getting on the subways. Lots of things he could have done but he and Cuomo think it's easier to just blame Trump for their failures. Although again to be fair I am pinning almost all of the blame on de Blasio.

[~Rocktar~]

One thing this crisis has taught me: state and local governments are proving there is absolutely no fucking reason to pay state or local taxes. This has been the excuse of countless cities and governments "But...but Trump isn't doing enough!!"

Are local and state governments not also supposed to help and prepare in a crisis like this? It's all up to the federal government? I mean if that's what cities and states are saying then fine, great, but why the fuck are we still paying state and local taxes then?

Of course you need state and local governments. After all, without them, who would pay workers to ignore potholes and sleep in DOT trucks along the side of the road? OH and don't forget the nearly billion dollars wasted on the mayor of NYC's wife's diversity boondoggle. Who would waste that pork and graft if not for state and local governments?

[Tgo01]

Of course you need state and local governments. After all, without them, who would pay workers to ignore potholes and sleep in DOT trucks along the side of the road? OH and don't forget the nearly billion dollars wasted on the mayor of NYC's wife's diversity boondoggle. Who would waste that pork and graft if not for state and local governments?

Good point. We all have our roles to play I suppose.

[Seran]

You just skipped right over Boston there I see. There are parts of LA that are way more dense than the total here but if you want to focus on the total fine, NYC being 3 times as dense as LA still doesn't explain why NY has 40% of the cases in the US and why NYC alone has almost 20% of the cases in the US. Yes population density explains some of it, no shit, but it doesn't explain all of it.

Actually you skipped over the majority of the post which provided anecdotal evidence as exactly why NY has such a higher infection rate. Population density is higher in NY, the majority of residents use communal transportation, versus the largely self driven transportation methods in Los Angeles. Population density and community exposure alone are primary contributing factors.

I know you ignorantly think the fact that the City and State are led by Democrats is the primary reason, but you're also wrong and a bigot.

[Tgo01]

Actually you skipped over the majority of the post which provided anecdotal evidence as exactly why NY has such a higher infection rate. Population density is higher in NY, the majority of residents use communal transportation, versus the largely self driven transportation methods in Los Angeles. Population density and community exposure alone are primary contributing factors.

I know you ignorantly think the fact that the City and State are led by Democrats is the primary reason, but you're also wrong and a bigot.

Seran AND Archigeek think mass public transportation only exists in NYC, not just in the US, but in the entire world. What a galaxy sized brain NYC must have to think of this before anyone else in the world!

[Tgo01]

Here is how subways operate in Japan:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7kor5nHtZQ

The above video is not a skit, it's not staged, it's not a joke, it's a real video from Japan of people literally being shoved into subways. The employees are even referred to as "pushers" or "packers."

Of all the cities in the world with a population of at least 1 million NYC barely cracks the top 30 in terms of population density, yet no other city in the world has as many confirmed cases as NYC does. But none of this is indicative of a failure of local leadership, it's because NYC has subways!

Although to be fair we can't really trust the numbers coming out of a lot countries. China is clearly full of shit, Iran is clearly full shit, Japan is probably lying because they were hoping to keep the Olympics on schedule for 2020, India probably doesn't have the resources to do a lot of testing, Italy and Spain probably just can't keep up with the sheer number of people they need to test and care for.

I see no reason why we can't believe South Korea's numbers though.

[Tgo01]

NY and NJ accounted for 43% of the new cases and 57% of the new deaths for April 1st, even though they account for only 8.7% of the entire US population.

The number of new daily cases went up in the US again for April 2nd, but the number of new daily deaths went down.

NY and NJ once again accounted for about 42% of the new cases on April 2nd and accounted for 52% of the new deaths.

Louisiana is quickly becoming a new hot spot, accounting for 10% of the new cases for April 2nd while having only 1.4% of the US population.

[Seran]

Seran AND Archigeek think mass public transportation only exists in NYC, not just in the US, but in the entire world. What a galaxy sized brain NYC must have to think of this before anyone else in the world!

Nowhere in my post did I say they're the only places with mass transit, you're making things up to suit your uninformed narrative.

New York happens to have a huge population density, no visible means of transportation outside of commercial or mass public transit. Yes, a lot of foreign countries have the similar scenarios, but often lack robust healthcare system not only capable of testing, but also publicly releasing the results, ie China underreporting.

Constantly comparing municipal or state response to that of South Korea is incredibly misleading. Our Federal Government did not initiate anywhere near the response South Korea did and local governments in the US have nowhere near the resources, manpower or constitutional authority to enact such.

[Stanley Burrell]

It doesn't just stop right there, from what I've been told (about the personal space issues on Japanese trains.)

I think once you've taken a seat, the train employees go around with a stick and poke you further into your seat. I am not making this up.

[Tgo01]

Our Federal Government did not initiate anywhere near the response South Korea did and local governments in the US have nowhere near the resources, manpower or constitutional authority to enact such.

"Constitutional authority"? The fuck you even talking about now? You think the federal government has more "constitutional authority" than local/state governments to enact the measures South Korea did?

[Tgo01]

It doesn't just stop right there, from what I've been told (about the personal space issues on Japanese trains.)

I think once you've taken a seat, the train employees go around with a stick and poke you further into your seat. I am not making this up.

I thought you were going to explain some porn scenes that take place on Japanese subways. Not that I've watched those...just heard about them...

[Voldemort]

Nowhere in my post did I say they're the only places with mass transit, you're making things up to suit your uninformed narrative.

New York happens to have a huge population density, no visible means of transportation outside of commercial or mass public transit. Yes, a lot of foreign countries have the similar scenarios, but often lack robust healthcare system not only capable of testing, but also publicly releasing the results, ie China underreporting.

Constantly comparing municipal or state response to that of South Korea is incredibly misleading. Our Federal Government did not initiate anywhere near the response South Korea did and local governments in the US have nowhere near the resources, manpower or constitutional authority to enact such.

You can’t compare South Korea with probably any other country in the world including the sole superpower Murica’. Their response has been from a biological warfare attack playbook they’ve been drilling again and again ever since North Korea threatened to wipe them out with a plague. Apples to Oranges here.

[Gelston]

"Constitutional authority"? The fuck you even talking about now? You think the federal government has more "constitutional authority" than local/state governments to enact the measures South Korea did?

South Korea fines infected people based on their cell phones location services. It forced everyone to install an app on their phone.

[Tgo01]

South Korea finds infected people based on their cell phones location services. It forced everyone to install an app on their phone.

Apparently Seran thinks the federal government has the constitutional authority to do that. I'm sure making it public where infected people are like South Korea did would be totally constitutional too.

[Gelston]

Apparently Seran thinks the federal government has the constitutional authority to do that. I'm sure making it public where infected people are like South Korea did would be totally constitutional too.

My wife said she saw a speech by South Korea’s President where he issued an order to shoot on sight anyone infected that refuses to quarantine and fights the police.

[Tgo01]

My wife said she saw a speech by South Korea’s President where he issued an order to shoot on sight anyone infected that refuses to quarantine and fights the police.

You sure that wasn't Duterte of the Philippines?

[Gelston]

You sure that wasn't Duterte of the Philippines?

Looked it up, because even when she told me it sounded like him. And he said something similar, can’t find anything for SK. So she probably saw that. She is an essential worker so she gets pieces of news from the TV.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

You can’t compare South Korea with probably any other country in the world including the sole superpower Murica’. Their response has been from a biological warfare attack playbook they’ve been drilling again and again ever since North Korea threatened to wipe them out with a plague. Apples to Oranges here.

I love it when you uniformed mother fuckers talk about south korea. My brother lived in South Korea, and as the eastern counter intelligence officer. Please, tell me more about what North and South Korean are saying/think. You couldn't be more wrong.

[Tgo01]

Looked it up, because even when she told me it sounded like him. And he said something similar, can’t find anything for SK. So she probably saw that. She is an essential worker so she gets pieces of news from the TV.

Hope she stays safe and healthy out there.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I love it when you uniformed mother fuckers talk about south korea. My brother lived in South Korea, and as the eastern counter intelligence officer. Please, tell me more about what North and South Korean are saying/think. You couldn't be more wrong.

Nevermind.

[Tgo01]

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/apr/2/san-francisco-reverses-ban-plastic-bags-now-bars-r/?utm_campaign=shareaholic&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=socialnetwork


San Francisco has reversed its 13-year ban on plastic bags and will now prohibit the reusable bags city leaders once championed because of the coronavirus.

Gee another "progressive" idea that experts warned about years ago is coming back to bite Democrats on the ass. They keep putting stupid feel good "green" measures ahead of public safety and health.

[Stolis]

Nevermind.

I mean... I'm curious. Not because I disagree with anything, I'm legit just curious about how quickly they grabbed the country by the balls and said you do exactly what I say. Then again, I'm guessing SK may have been good at bio warfare fears and planning thanks to the friendly neighbor to the North.

[Methais]

It's a good thing I'm not the sort of person who likes to say I told you so. Because if I was, I would undoubtedly quote what I said on March 1, #57, which was, "On Fox News Sunday this morning, HHS Secretary Azar said people should not buy face masks to protect themselves from the coronavirus. What he said is just not true. I guarantee you that if there were enough face masks for everybody, he would be saying the opposite."

Don't overlook my most recent post on this subject, #961, on March 29. It could literally save your life.

Shut the fuck up Fallen and stop being a sheet of used toilet paper.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I mean... I'm curious. Not because I disagree with anything, I'm legit just curious about how quickly they grabbed the country by the balls and said you do exactly what I say. Then again, I'm guessing SK may have been good at bio warfare fears and planning thanks to the friendly neighbor to the North.

I said nevermind because it's not worth the time, nor is it provable.

[Archigeek]

I love it when you uniformed mother fuckers talk about south korea. My brother lived in South Korea, and as the eastern counter intelligence officer. Please, tell me more about what North and South Korean are saying/think. You couldn't be more wrong.

All this complaining about South Korea's successful fight against Covid 19. Guess what restriction to personal freedom they don't have? Shelter in place. Soth Korea succeeded by using traditional epidemic fighting: tracking and containment.

[Risen]

Within countries, there were wide gaps in behavior by region. California, which was the first in the U.S. with a statewide lockdown, cut visits to retail and recreation locations by half. In New York state, the slide in such visits was gradual as officials waited to impose strict curbs but they eventually fell 62%. By contrast, Arkansas, one of the few states without a sweeping lockdown, had the smallest decline at 29%.

I wonder if we can get our hands on these data sets and look at them ourselves.

Source: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-google/google-data-shines-light-on-whether-coronavirus-lockdowns-worldwide-are-working-idUSKBN21L0P7

[Methais]

This should fix everything. Bono saved Italy.

https://scontent.fbtr1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/92039393_10159563873586982_733368204117671936_n.jp g?_nc_cat=111&_nc_sid=8024bb&_nc_ohc=9zK6JnM1_RQAX9mBXxN&_nc_ht=scontent.fbtr1-1.fna&oh=24b9725997d02e53411e7b86fba842a6&oe=5EACCE2A

[Methais]

My wife said she saw a speech by South Korea’s President where he issued an order to shoot on sight anyone infected that refuses to quarantine and fights the police.

Joke's on them, they're always inside playing Starcraft anyway.

[Seran]

"Constitutional authority"? The fuck you even talking about now? You think the federal government has more "constitutional authority" than local/state governments to enact the measures South Korea did?

Yes, that is exactly what I'm saying. Federal law quashes state regulation during disaster declarations.

National Emergencies Act (NEA)—Allows the president to declare a national emergency, which triggers emergency authorities contained in other federal statutes. NEA does not contain any specific emergency authority on its own but relies on the emergency authorities in other statutes, such as the Public Health Service Act. President Obama used the NEA to declare the 2009 H1N1 influenza pandemic a national emergency. A declaration under the NEA (or the Stafford Act) and a Section 318 public health emergency declaration are required before the HHS secretary can exercise Social Security Act Section 1135 waiver authority.

Pandemic and All Hazards Preparedness Act (PAHPA)—Addresses the organization of public health emergency preparedness and response activities and authorizes programs concerning medical surge capacity, the capacity of states and localities to prepare for and respond to public health emergencies, and the development of countermeasures to biological threats (the Biodefense Advanced Research and Development Authority [BARDA]). Many of the offices and programs within the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) that state public health preparedness programs interact with on a daily basis were developed or refined through PAHPA, including the Office of the Assistant Secretary for Preparedness and Response, grant programs such as Public Health Emergency Preparedness (PHEP) grants, the Hospital Preparedness Program, and the Healthcare Facility Partnership Program. The act also focuses on the needs of at-risk populations in emergency planning and response. PAHPA was reauthorized in March 2013 in the Pandemic and All-Hazards Preparedness Reauthorization Act (PAHPRA).

Public Health Service Act Section 319—Authorizes the HHS secretary to determine that a public health emergency exists, which triggers emergency powers that permit the federal government to assist state and local governments, suspend or modify certain legal requirements, and expend available funds to address public health emergencies. A Section 319 public health emergency declaration is separate and distinct from a presidential declaration under the National Emergencies Act or the Stafford Act. The secretary does not need a presidential declaration to issue a public health emergency declaration under Section 319; however, a presidential declaration is required in addition to a Section 319 declaration if the secretary wants to exercise waiver authority under Social Security Act Section 1135. Other sections of the Public Health Service Act, including Sections 301 and 311, permit the secretary to render assistance to states and localities without declaring a public health emergency.

Public Readiness and Emergency Preparedness Act (PREP Act)—Authorizes the HHS secretary to issue a declaration that provides immunity from tort liability for claims of loss caused by countermeasures against diseases or other threats of public health emergencies. The act covers persons and entities involved in the manufacture, testing, distribution, administration, and use of covered countermeasures. A PREP Act declaration is different from and independent of other federal emergency declarations. A separate emergency declaration under Public Health Service Act Section 319 or another statute is not required for PREP Act immunities take effect.

Robert T. Stafford Disaster Relief and Emergency Assistance Act (Stafford Act)—Authorizes the delivery of federal emergency technical, financial, logistical, and other assistance to states and localities. A governor must first determine that an event overwhelms the state’s capacity to respond and request a presidential declaration under the Stafford Act before the president can declare all or a portion of a state a “major disaster” or “emergency” area. The Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) coordinates administration of disaster relief resources and assistance to states. The President can declare an emergency without first receiving a gubernatorial request if the emergency involves an area of federal primary responsibility such as a federal building. A Stafford Act declaration can be used to trigger other public health emergency response authorities such as Social Security Act Section 1135 waiver authorities.

[Gelston]

Hope she stays safe and healthy out there.

She should be fine, they've heavily scaled back any interaction with customers. They have gloves and masks and all this BS for when there are customers and the 6 foot rule is enforced. Even if she got it, she is the same age as me and in good shape, so we aren't really in the at risk category and we don't meet with old people.

[Methais]

Democrats trying to open an investigation into Trump over Coronavirus :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

November is going to be awesome as fuck. I can't wait to see the meltdowns.

[Gelston]

Democrats trying to open an investigation into Trump over Coronavirus :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

November is going to be awesome as fuck. I can't wait to see the meltdowns.

I keep seeing a meme on FB from my lib friends saying Trump won the award for most infected during a pandemic. Like Swine Flu or Spanish Influenza wasn't a thing.

[Alfster]

All this complaining about South Korea's successful fight against Covid 19. Guess what restriction to personal freedom they don't have? Shelter in place. Soth Korea succeeded by using traditional epidemic fighting: tracking and containment.

Aggressive tracking for sure. While TGO was screaming that science says we don't need to test more people, we were watching it work in south Korea. Widescale testing availability like the feds promised would have worked if we had the tests, but we didnt. The millions of tests that were promised simply took too long to materialize.

This virus being transmittable for so long without symptoms is the biggest problem. Because we can't test everyone, and we didn't have the tests we needed early enough, out only option is to shelter in place and assume you're infected.

[Risen]

I heard something about the state of Kentucky issuing ankle band trackers, the types used to track those under house arrest, for people who are ignoring the stay at home order. Might not want to drive through that state if you are on the road.

If you live in the state, I would enjoy hearing the first hand information on this.

[Methais]

I was informed by my cunt ex's sister who just randomly sent me a thing on Facebook that drinking lemon juice + baking soda will cure Coronavirus and make you immune, and only Israel knows about it because the rest of the world is trying to exterminate us, and she knows it's true because she heard about it from a nutritionist and I can't prove her wrong, despite there being like 7k cases and 30 something deaths in Israel from Coronavirus already.

This person is also every Arkansas stereotype wrapped into one gigantic ball of fail, and I'm pretty sure I lost IQ points by engaging in the conversation to begin with. :lol:

[Gelston]

I was informed by my cunt ex's sister who just randomly sent me a thing on Facebook that drinking lemon juice + baking soda will cure Coronavirus and make you immune, and only Israel knows about it because the rest of the world is trying to exterminate us, and she knows it's true because she heard about it from a nutritionist and I can't prove her wrong, despite there being like 7k cases and 30 something deaths in Israel from Coronavirus already.

This person is also every Arkansas stereotype wrapped into one gigantic ball of fail, and I'm pretty sure I lost IQ points by engaging in the conversation to begin with. :lol:

Tide Pods prevent you from getting COVID-19.

[Methais]

Tide Pods prevent you from getting COVID-19.

Yes, I'll let her know immediately and encourage her to get her whole family on it before word gets out and Tide Pods everywhere are sold out.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Democrats trying to open an investigation into Trump over Coronavirus :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

November is going to be awesome as fuck. I can't wait to see the meltdowns.

There are literally 5 oversight committees now. The usual ones, plus 3 in the last stimulus.

[Tgo01]

Aggressive tracking for sure. While TGO was screaming that science says we don't need to test more people

Again I never said that. Get your head out of that gaping asshole of yours.


Because we can't test everyone, and we didn't have the tests we needed early enough, out only option is to shelter in place and assume you're infected.

THIS is what I was referring to. We were never going to test everyone because that isn't feasible and makes no sense. How do you even propose we do that? Send people door to door and force them to take a test or what?

And what happens when people test negative one day then 2 days later they are infected and are out and about in subways that only exist in NY? Or are you proposing we somehow test literally each and every American each and every single day? Are you insane?

[Astray]

So who is ready to fight some Canadians for masks?

[Tgo01]

So who is ready to fight some Canadians for masks?

I was already doing that even before the virus.

[Astray]

I was already doing that even before the virus.

Now you can sell those masks to defeated Canadians, take 'em back and resell. Boom, Capitalism. Fuck you, Canada.

[Stanley Burrell]

I thought you were going to explain some porn scenes that take place on Japanese subways. Not that I've watched those...just heard about them...

lol, yo, I am so not joking – if you're taking the subway from X to Y to Z in Tokyo, the RR has "Arrangers" that have no holds barred.

[Astray]

lol, yo, I am so not joking – if you're taking the subway from X to Y to Z in Tokyo, the RR has "Arrangers" that have no holds barred.

Legit.

[Tgo01]

You watch this!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BtuIfEAJ5s

[Tgo01]

CDC is now recommending people wear cloth face coverings when out in public. Not necessarily face masks, but cloth face coverings.

Remember this is in ADDITION to what we were all supposed to have been doing for the past almost 3 weeks, which again are:

Stay 6 feet away from people as much as possible.
Stay home whenever possible.
Don't touch your face.
Wash your hands frequently, especially after touching a commonly touched surface.
If you have people coming in and out of your home (like for work or whatever) then disinfect commonly touched surfaces daily.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

The question is... how will Acosta make this presser about himself and his TDS?

[Tgo01]

The question is... how will Acosta make this presser about himself and his TDS?

That is indeed the million dollar question. I have no doubt he will find a way, then cry about it on Twitter.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

And right on queue, Acosta wants to ask multiple questions, all about WHO DO WE BLAME FOR THIS. Jesus Christ he's fucking worthless.

[Tgo01]

And right on queue, Acosta wants to ask multiple questions, all about WHO DO WE BLAME FOR THIS. Jesus Christ he's fucking worthless.

I'm still catching up on the press conference, can't wait to see his meltdown.

[Tgo01]

And right on queue, Acosta wants to ask multiple questions, all about WHO DO WE BLAME FOR THIS. Jesus Christ he's fucking worthless.

Jesus Fucking Christ. His first question was "Where is Dr Fauci?" The dude is in like 4 out of every 5 of these things and every time he's not in that 1 out 5 they ask "Where is Dr Fauci? Is there a problem?" Just like Trump fucking said. It's true though! I've watched all of these things every single day and that is exactly what they do.

Then his follow up "question" was "Who dropped the ball?" Why not ask the mayor of NYC that?

[Tgo01]

Also for those falling for the fake news that Democrats were taking this seriously from the beginning while Trump wasn't taking it seriously, here you go:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EUnzVL-WkAUw431?format=jpg&name=medium

For those falling for the fake news that the fake news was taking this seriously from the beginning while Trump was not, here you go:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EUnxlexX0AM_Ta9?format=jpg&name=large

At this point if you are taking the fake news seriously you are nothing but a willing sheep. Time and time again the press have proven they are nothing but liars who have made it their mission to lie and misinform you in order to "get" Trump. Stop being a willing sheep, this is directed at a few people on this forum but mostly Seran.

[barbarous]

Oh my, the response to Schumer's grandstanding is hilarious.

Here are Schumer's initial statements:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-7DC-5qiSw

Trump's response:

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/letter-president-donald-j-trump-senator-charles-e-schumer/

I won't link because all the sites are political one way or the other, but NY got caught stockpiling ventilators instead of deploying them. They're for "emergencies" from what New York public officials stated, but if 100k plus infections isn't an emergency I don't know what is. It's not like companies aren't announcing or offering to increase production or change over to the production of ventilators. Elon Musk is obviously the high profile name that offered to convert to manufacturing them but there are plenty more.

[Tgo01]

Oh my, the response to Schumer's grandstanding is hilarious.

Here are Schumer's initial statements:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-7DC-5qiSw

Trump's response:

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/letter-president-donald-j-trump-senator-charles-e-schumer/

I won't link because all the sites are political one way or the other, but NY got caught stockpiling ventilators instead of deploying them. They're for "emergencies" from what New York public officials stated, but if 100k plus infections isn't an emergency I don't know what is. It's not like companies aren't announcing or offering to increase production or change over to the production of ventilators. Elon Musk is obviously the high profile name that offered to convert to manufacturing them but there are plenty more.

Yeah Trump's letter to Schumer was awesome. I also don't understand why Cuomo isn't being raked over the coals for this shit either, instead he's being held up as some sort of heroic leader or something. He was bitching at the federal government for not ignoring all other states and delivering to his state 40,000 ventilators, meanwhile he had over 2,000 ventilators sitting in storage "for an emergency."

California also had millions of masks sitting in storage that they suddenly "found" and started giving them out. Is it just a coincidence that both of these facts came out AFTER Barr warned people that if they were hoarding supplies the federal government was going to come knocking and charge them with a crime? Doubtful.

But the media is twisting the federal government's plan on this. "You're ignoring the demands from states!" No, they are assessing who has an ACTUAL need for medical supplies because there were governors such as Cuomo demanding 40,000 ventilators when they didn't need 40,000 ventilators, at least not at the time they were making the demands, it's possible they will need that many eventually, but it does no good to send NY all of the ventilators until they reach 40,000 while they sit mostly unused while other states such as NJ, MI, and LA could put some of those ventilators to use now.

[Tgo01]

I don't understand what these reporters don't understand about Kushner's/Trump's comment in regards to the FEDERAL government stockpile was meant for the FEDERAL government.

They are acting like the administration is saying they are hoarding this stuff for themselves instead of giving it out to the states. I think Trump's point is clear: the FEDERAL stockpile was meant for the FEDERAL government in case of emergencies such as this. The federal government comprises of: all federal employees (including agencies such as the IRS and FBI), the military, and even federal employees like janitors and secretaries.

The STATEs were supposed to have their own STATE stockpile well ahead of time before an emergency hit. Some states didn't stockpile enough and are now asking the federal government for help so the federal government is dipping into the federal stockpile to help them when they can. What happens if the federal government gave all 10k ventilators to NY and kept giving them each and every single newly built ventilator until they reached their 40k demand and next thing you know this virus started sweeping through the military in record numbers and now the federal government has no ventilators in their stockpile? You think the media is going to understand and say "Well if only NY didn't demand all of those ventilators then this could have been avoided." Or do you think it would be more like "Why was there such poor planning on the federal government's part that they now have no ventilators when our troops need them the most?"

[Parkbandit]

The question is... how will Acosta make this presser about himself and his TDS?


And right on queue, Acosta wants to ask multiple questions, all about WHO DO WE BLAME FOR THIS. Jesus Christ he's fucking worthless.

I used to think Trump shouldn't bother calling on him for a question.. that maybe he will just go away since he's so fucking useless..

But now I think Trump purposely calls upon him to troll him and the rest of the media so he will get press of "OMG TRUMP JUST DECIMATED ACOSTA AGAIN!"

[Parkbandit]

Oh my, the response to Schumer's grandstanding is hilarious.

Here are Schumer's initial statements:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-7DC-5qiSw

Trump's response:

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/letter-president-donald-j-trump-senator-charles-e-schumer/

I won't link because all the sites are political one way or the other, but NY got caught stockpiling ventilators instead of deploying them. They're for "emergencies" from what New York public officials stated, but if 100k plus infections isn't an emergency I don't know what is. It's not like companies aren't announcing or offering to increase production or change over to the production of ventilators. Elon Musk is obviously the high profile name that offered to convert to manufacturing them but there are plenty more.

Holy shit, that's fucking hilarious.

[Methais]

Wash your hands frequently, especially after touching a commonly touched surface.

WHAT ABOUT THE THING TO TURN ON THE SINK HOW DO YOU TURN OFF THE WATER WITHOUT INFECTING YOUR HAND AGAIN!?!???@?@nsg

[Tgo01]

WHAT ABOUT THE THING TO TURN ON THE SINK HOW DO YOU TURN OFF THE WATER WITHOUT INFECTING YOUR HAND AGAIN!?!???@?@nsg

Use the back of your hand. If it's a knob clench your teeth around it to turn the knob.

[Tgo01]

Dr. Birx has had enough with this fake news bullshit that Trump didn't act early enough. She reminded everyone that the WHO told the world on January 14th this virus wasn't even transmissible via humans, she also said that on February 2nd, 2 days after Trump restricted travel from China, that the WHO advised AGAINST restricting travel from countries, now almost the entire world is restricting travel from the rest of the world.

[Methais]

Dr. Birx has had enough with this fake news bullshit that Trump didn't act early enough. She reminded everyone that the WHO told the world on January 14th this virus wasn't even transmissible via humans, she also said that on February 2nd, 2 days after Trump restricted travel from China, that the WHO advised AGAINST restricting travel from countries, now almost the entire world is restricting travel from the rest of the world.

This next song is called What A Bunch of Cunts.

♫♪♫ What a bunch of cunts
What a bunch of cunts
What a bunch of cunts
What a bunch of cunts ♪♫♪

Thank you.

[Tgo01]

The number of new daily cases went up in the US again for April 2nd, but the number of new daily deaths went down.

NY and NJ once again accounted for about 42% of the new cases on April 2nd and accounted for 52% of the new deaths.

Louisiana is quickly becoming a new hot spot, accounting for 10% of the new cases for April 2nd while having only 1.4% of the US population.

Some people won't like this post of mine because it completely shatters their narrative that Trump is always to blame for everything bad happening in the US.

The number of new daily cases went up by about 2500 on April 3rd. Of all the new cases 46% were in NY and NJ, of all the new deaths 60% were in NY and NJ, and again they represent just 8.7% of the entire US population.

If we take NY and NJ out of the US' numbers then the US has fewer cases per million than all of Europe and one of the best figures in the world. Taking NY and NJ out of the US' numbers means we have among the lowest death rate in the entire world as well.

Of all states that had at least 400 new cases for April 3rd this is how much their new daily cases went up by:



NY +1500
NJ +1000
CT +800
MI +500
IL +500
CA +400
MA +200
OH +60
PA +100
TX +100
CO +100
Maryland +100
FL +0
GA +0
IN -100
WA -300
LA -1600


NY and NJ continue to fail while only a handful of other states are seeing a spike in their numbers (still nowhere near the numbers of NY and NJ), while almost the rest of the US still seems to have this under control. The big worry now is spikes in other states as New Yorkers continue to flee the state and bring their infections with them to new areas of the country to seed.

NY "leadership" was too consumed with being woke and getting Orange Man at any cost that they put the health and safety of their citizens and now the entire country at risk. I really don't even blame NJ, I think them and the states around NY are just feeling the effects of NY because of how close they are to the failures of that state.

On March 11th de Blasio encouraged all New Yorkers to go about their life and to go out and dine in at restaurants because there was nothing to worry about in NY as long as you weren't sick.

ON MARCH FUCKING 11TH.

By this time sporting leagues had already canceled their games.

Disney shut down its parks.

Broadway had shut down.

Most states had either closed schools or were considering doing so.

A lot of states had already ordered shelter in place or were considering to do so or were just days away from doing so.

Restaurants and bars in most states had already been shut down (other than take out.)

Just 4 days later is when Trump asked each and every single American to do their part by social distancing, working from home if possible, and to shut down pretty much the entire US economy.

But de Blasio was so fucking woke he has now put the entire US in danger.

And fuckers are out there praising Cuomo for being such a great leader because he bitches about Trump and points fingers at everyone but himself and de Blasio. While I think the blame should be put on individual cities and mayors, Cuomo could have easily shut down the entire state of NY days or even weeks sooner to protect the rest of the country.

Trump has been doing everything within his power from day one while the likes of Biden, Cuomo, de Blasio, Pelosi, Schumer, and other prominent Democrats were calling him racist for his actions and encouraging everyone to gather in large crowds in Chinese restaurants and China Towns and Chinese New Year's parades to prove to everyone how woke they are.

[Keller]

I was informed by my cunt ex's sister who just randomly sent me a thing on Facebook that drinking lemon juice + baking soda will cure Coronavirus and make you immune, and only Israel knows about it because the rest of the world is trying to exterminate us, and she knows it's true because she heard about it from a nutritionist and I can't prove her wrong, despite there being like 7k cases and 30 something deaths in Israel from Coronavirus already.

This person is also every Arkansas stereotype wrapped into one gigantic ball of fail, and I'm pretty sure I lost IQ points by engaging in the conversation to begin with. :lol:

The only solace I take when I read shit like that is that natural selection works. It might take a while, but all the people eschewing medicine for herbal remedies will disproportionately die and their stupidity will be (slowly) removed from the gene pool.

[Methais]

The only solace I take when I read shit like that is that natural selection works. It might take a while, but all the people eschewing medicine for herbal remedies will disproportionately die and their stupidity will be (slowly) removed from the gene pool.

You haven't seen the intro to Idiocracy have you?

It used to be a comedy, but now it's a documentary.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unoMMru4-c0

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Yes, all the dumb people breed like rabbits. That isn't news.

[Keller]

You haven't seen the intro to Idiocracy have you?

It used to be a comedy, but now it's a documentary.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unoMMru4-c0

A movie where a bunch of deplorables elected a TV personality President?

[RichardCranium]

A movie where a bunch of deplorables elected a TV personality President?

Racist.

[Tgo01]

For some reason the White House YouTube page didn't live stream the press briefing today, so here is another link:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OTGFE79mzA

Starts about an hour in.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

A movie where a bunch of deplorables elected a TV personality President?

I love it when you put everyone who voted for trump into a basket. Exactly why I'm voting for him this year, people like you.

[Keller]

I love it when you put everyone who voted for trump into a basket. Exactly why I'm voting for him this year, people like you.

Cool beans!

[Tgo01]

Keller, when did you get a job at ABC interviewing the vice president?

https://twitter.com/rising_serpent/status/1246529596838891524?s=20


ABC to Vice President Mike Pence on his Christian faith:
"Do you 'talk to God' about how many people you let die from the coronavirus because of the federal government's inaction?"

Can we all finally agree the media is nothing but partisan, hate filled, political hacks now? What more proof do you need?

I don't recall a SINGLE reporter asking Obama "Obama, when you talk to God in private, do you ask for forgiveness for bombing a civilian hospital?" or "Obama, when you're praying to your God, do you pray for all of the children you murdered via all of your drone strikes?" not even a "Obama, as your administration sat around largely ignoring the swine flu while millions of Americans were infected, hundreds of thousands were hospitalized, and tens of thousands died, do you discuss your inaction with your God?"

[Keller]

Because Obummer worships Allah, not God.

DUH!

[Tgo01]

Some people won't like this post of mine because it completely shatters their narrative that Trump is always to blame for everything bad happening in the US.

The number of new daily cases went up by about 2500 on April 3rd. Of all the new cases 46% were in NY and NJ, of all the new deaths 60% were in NY and NJ, and again they represent just 8.7% of the entire US population.

If we take NY and NJ out of the US' numbers then the US has fewer cases per million than all of Europe and one of the best figures in the world. Taking NY and NJ out of the US' numbers means we have among the lowest death rate in the entire world as well.

Of all states that had at least 400 new cases for April 3rd this is how much their new daily cases went up by:



NY +1500
NJ +1000
CT +800
MI +500
IL +500
CA +400
MA +200
OH +60
PA +100
TX +100
CO +100
Maryland +100
FL +0
GA +0
IN -100
WA -300
LA -1600


NY and NJ continue to fail while only a handful of other states are seeing a spike in their numbers (still nowhere near the numbers of NY and NJ), while almost the rest of the US still seems to have this under control. The big worry now is spikes in other states as New Yorkers continue to flee the state and bring their infections with them to new areas of the country to seed.

Number of new US daily cases went up another 2k for April 4th to a total of 34,196 new daily cases.

Number of new daily deaths went up 300 to a total of 1,331 new daily deaths.

NY and NJ still way over represented in the numbers, accounting for 45.4% of the new daily infections and accounting for 62.3% of the new daily deaths.

The 10 states with the most new daily infections for April 4th:

New York (of course): 11,299
New Jersey (next to NY): 4,229
Louisiana (Mardi Gras in New Orleans) 2,199
Pennsylvania (next to NY): 1,995
Michigan (Detroit and next to Chicago): 1,481
Illinois (Chicago): 1,453
California: 1,382
Massachusetts (next to NY): 1,334
Florida: 1,277
Texas: 701

As we can see the ever increasing need for the left to virtue signal is literally costing lives all around the country.

It's time to stop voting for "progressives." I'm not even saying never vote Democrat again, although that would be ideal, but these far left "progressives" are what is an actual cancer to our country and the world that we can no longer ignore. Do your part: Friends don't let friends vote for progressives.

[Tgo01]

Another reason to stop voting for progressives, they are using this crisis to push through their prison reform by releasing rapists and child rapists from prison "for their own safety."

https://pjmedia.com/trending/pedophile-rapist-released-from-massachusetts-prison-to-protect-him-from-coronavirus/

[Methais]

A movie where a bunch of deplorables elected a TV personality President?

What do you have against black presidents? Racist.

[Seran]

Another reason to stop voting for progressives, they are using this crisis to push through their prison reform by releasing rapists and child rapists from prison "for their own safety."

https://pjmedia.com/trending/pedophile-rapist-released-from-massachusetts-prison-to-protect-him-from-coronavirus/

Five Republican nominated justices and two Democrat nominated justices on the Massachusetts Supreme Court who ruled on the release. Maybe it's time to vote Tg into a self-ban for posting misleading spin.

[Archigeek]

1300+ Americans died today of Covid19. It's FUBAR. Stay safe out there.

[Risen]

Can we all finally agree the media is nothing but partisan, hate filled, political hacks now? What more proof do you need?

It's not just the media though.

[Tgo01]

Do your part to stay informed! Starts at 7PM EST.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqCohp54wcE

[Tgo01]

It's not just the media though.

It's not, but the media are the ones who pretend they are impartial and are supposed to be impartial.

[Seran]

As the President dithered, coronavirus came to the United States.


Each day that the administration debated the travel measures, roughly 14,000 travelers arrived in the United States from China, according to figures cited by the Trump administration. Among them was a traveler who came from Wuhan to Seattle in mid-January, who turned out to be the first confirmed case in the United States.

On Jan. 22, Trump downplayed the threat posed by the virus, telling CNBC from the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, “We have it totally under control.”

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-nsc/as-trump-administration-debated-travel-restrictions-thousands-streamed-in-from-china-idUSKBN21N0EJ

[Tgo01]

As the President dithered, coronavirus came to the United States.



https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-nsc/as-trump-administration-debated-travel-restrictions-thousands-streamed-in-from-china-idUSKBN21N0EJ

Wait wait wait! Is the media (and you) who for WEEKS bitched that Trump's travel restrictions were racist and xenophobic and unnecessary now saying that Trump should have implement travel restrictions sooner?

You truly are the worst person in the world, Seran.

[Gelston]

As the President dithered, coronavirus came to the United States.



https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-nsc/as-trump-administration-debated-travel-restrictions-thousands-streamed-in-from-china-idUSKBN21N0EJ

Like how when he banned travel from China on Jan 30th and all the Democrats called him racist?

[Tgo01]

Like how when he banned travel from China on Jan 30th and all the Democrats called him racist?

It was the media too.

Even the WHO bitched about Trump's restrictions and said they were unnecessary.

Even the EU bitched when Trump restricted travel from the EU, saying it was unnecessary and we needed to come together as a world to unite against the virus, not cut one another off, then literally days later they restricted ALL unnecessary travel from entering any EU country.

Trump has been shit on from day 1 for every decision he has made, even when he was one of the only world leaders making these tough decisions, and now these pieces of shit who at the time said he was going too far in his actions are now bitching that he should have acted sooner.

Does the press literally exist just for Seran? Because I can't believe there is anyone else out there in the world who could be so dumb as to fall for this shit time and time again.

[Slider]

So, according to this story, NY seized 3 million masks at the port that where on their way to Massachusetts in March. They have no idea where the masks ended up, why they where seized by the port of NY and no answers from NY. Probably ended up in a warehouse somewhere being hoarded like the rest of the stuff sent to NY.

https://www.wwlp.com/news/massachusetts/3-million-masks-ordered-by-massachusetts-seized-at-port-of-ny-in-march/

[Tgo01]

So, according to this story, NY seized 3 million masks at the port that where on their way to Massachusetts in March. They have no idea where the masks ended up, why they where seized by the port of NY and no answers from NY. Probably ended up in a warehouse somewhere being hoarded like the rest of the stuff sent to NY.

https://www.wwlp.com/news/massachusetts/3-million-masks-ordered-by-massachusetts-seized-at-port-of-ny-in-march/

Yeah if true Cuomo probably stuffed them all in a warehouse like he did with those 2k ventilators so he could demand more shit from the federal government at the expense of other states.

I still don't understand how people think Cuomo is a good governor. People are literally dying all over his state but Democrats STILL only care about getting Trump at all costs. Just look at Seran's latest shit a few posts ago.

[Seran]

Wait wait wait! Is the media (and you) who for WEEKS bitched that Trump's travel restrictions were racist and xenophobic and unnecessary now saying that Trump should have implement travel restrictions sooner?

You truly are the worst person in the world, Seran.

Trump is Xenophobic. The travel restrictions were a great idea and I've never said otherwise. Only the President waited entirely too long, because he was more concerned about panic hurting his reelection campaign than helping Americans.

[Tgo01]

Trump is Xenophobic. The travel restrictions were a great idea and I've never said otherwise. Only the President waited entirely too long, because he was more concerned about panic hurting his reelection campaign than helping Americans.

https://media.giphy.com/media/OvL3qHSMO6uaI/giphy.gif

[Tgo01]

January 14th the WHO was lying for China and saying the virus wasn't even transmissible via humans. Just TWO WEEKS later Trump restricted travel from China, facing a barrage of insults from late night "comedians", Democrats, the media, world leaders, and even a rebuke from the WHO.
Seran: WAITED TOO LONG!!!!

After most of the country had closed schools, restaurants, bars, non-essential businesses and travel, and on March fucking 11th mayor de Blasio tells New Yorkers to go about their lives and there is nothing to worry about.
Seran: Great and wonderful leader!

Fuck off you little shit. There are a lot of partisan hacks in the world, but you are by far the worst I have ever seen. And that's pretty damn amazing considering I am lumping in actual politicians into this group too.

[Seran]

As the President dithered, coronavirus came to the United States.



https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-nsc/as-trump-administration-debated-travel-restrictions-thousands-streamed-in-from-china-idUSKBN21N0EJ

What's crazy is that Tg is under some impression that the United States President is not to blame for not protecting his people because the WHO was wrong about the coronavirus. His own advisors counseled the President to take action in December, when enacting travel restrictions may have actually prevented the first US case in Washington State. It's a sad day when former President George W Bush can be said to have had a better pandemic plan than the current asshole.

[beldannon5]

and your blatant hatred for Trump makes what you say ridiculous and asinine

[Seran]

Facts are facts. Dreaven can't demonstrate any correlation to the World Health Organization issuing an incorrect release in January and the President ignoring intelligence a MONTH EARLIER.

[Tgo01]

Facts are facts. Dreaven can't demonstrate any correlation to the World Health Organization issuing an incorrect release in January and the President ignoring intelligence a MONTH EARLIER.

You don't think the WORLD HEALTH Organization telling the WORLD on January 14th that this disease isn't transmissible between humans had anything at all to do with countries not preparing earlier?

Honest question, Seran, why do you suck so much Chinese dick? Here is the WHO, the organization that is supposed to help and guide the entire world in situations exactly like this, acting like the propaganda mouthpiece for the Communist Chinese government, and rather than realize that they are the ones to blame you are twisting and distorting facts to fit your narrative that TRUMP acted too late.

Trump, one of the first world leaders to restrict travel from China. In fact I'm pretty sure he was the second, right behind Putin, and don't think Trump wasn't accused of acting like Putin's puppet because of that too.

But no, that's still not fucking good enough for a shit stain of a human being like you. Clearly Trump should have done it even sooner than that. You are garbage, Seran. Move to fucking China already and stop using up resources in the US.

[Seran]

Clearly Trump should have done it even sooner than that.

That's all the admission I was looking for.

[Tgo01]

That's all the admission I was looking for.

While you're busy not being able to pick up on when I'm mocking you, tell me how you think China bears no responsibility for getting the WHO to lie for them and say the virus isn't transmissible between humans? Tell me why you think this didn't result in countries acting later than they should have.

[Seran]

While you're busy not being able to pick up on when I'm mocking you, tell me how you think China bears no responsibility for getting the WHO to lie for them and say the virus isn't transmissible between humans? Tell me why you think this didn't result in countries acting later than they should have.

China is/was lying about not only the communicability of COVID-19 and the World Health Organization was severely negligent in repeating China's misinformation without peer review. Clearly this had an impact on countries without a massive healthcare system and whom do not have their own national centers for disease research and control. Our own Center for Disease Control (CDC) issued their first public release on 01/16/2020 (https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2020/t0117-coronavirus-screening.html) and had their travel guidance as of 01/11/2020 (https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/travel/notices/watch/pneumonia-china). However despite his own budget-cut CDC issuing public notices about travel to/from China, it took the President almost three more weeks to stop doing something.

[Neveragain]

China is/was lying about not only the communicability of COVID-19 and the World Health Organization was severely negligent in repeating China's misinformation without peer review. Clearly this had an impact on countries without a massive healthcare system and whom do not have their own national centers for disease research and control. Our own Center for Disease Control (CDC) issued their first public release on 01/16/2020 (https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2020/t0117-coronavirus-screening.html) and had their travel guidance as of 01/11/2020 (https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/travel/notices/watch/pneumonia-china). However despite his own budget-cut CDC issuing public notices about travel to/from China, it took the President almost three more weeks to stop doing something.

And then the media, Democrats and every other TDS infected retard started calling him a racist for doing so. You keep leaving that part out.

[Tgo01]

China is/was lying about not only the communicability of COVID-19 and the World Health Organization was severely negligent in repeating China's misinformation without peer review. Clearly this had an impact on countries without a massive healthcare system and whom do not have their own national centers for disease research and control. Our own Center for Disease Control (CDC) issued their first public release on 01/16/2020 (https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2020/t0117-coronavirus-screening.html) and had their travel guidance as of 01/11/2020 (https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/travel/notices/watch/pneumonia-china). However despite his own budget-cut CDC issuing public notices about travel to/from China, it took the President almost three more weeks to stop doing something.

Okay, Seran, when exactly do you think Trump should have acted on the China travel ban? And considering by the time Trump enacted the travel ban there were only 9900 cases in the WORLD (again because China was lying through their fucking teeth as to how badly this disease was spreading), and the first reported case in the US wasn't until January 20th, how much of a difference do you think it would have made? And again why do you think Trump should have acted by the time you think he should have considering there were fewer than 10k reported cases in the world by the time he did restrict travel from China?

[Tgo01]

A bit of good news. For April 5th the number of new daily cases in the US dropped by 8,880 (about 25%), going from 34,196 new daily cases to 25,316.

The number of new daily deaths also dropped by 165, going from 1330 to 1165.

It's a bit too early to get excited because this could just be an outlier, but it's the first bit of good news we have had in a while.

Most states either had a drop in the number of new cases or it stayed about the same.

Louisiana looks especially good, going from 2199 new cases on April 4th to 514 on April 5th.

NY and NJ continue to be massively over represented in the number of new cases and new deaths, accounting for 46% of new cases and 57% of new deaths.

[Seran]

Prior to 12/30/2019 when the first unsurpressed reports were being released in China. https://m.yicai.com/news/100451932.html

[Tgo01]

Prior to 12/30/2019 when the first unsurpressed reports were being released in China. https://m.yicai.com/news/100451932.html

Wait you're being fucking for real right now? Trump should have shut down travel from China before China even finally told the world about this outbreak?

You really do love you some 20/20 hindsight don't you?

[Seran]

Wait you're being fucking for real right now? Trump should have shut down travel from China before China even finally told the world about this outbreak?

You really do love you some 20/20 hindsight don't you?

^ This dude really thinks that the United States Intelligence community is limited to public news websites. Wow.

[Tgo01]

^ This dude really thinks that the United States Intelligence community is limited to public news websites. Wow.

Oh now we're getting somewhere.

So the US intelligence community knew about the virus in China before China told the world, knew how infectious it was, knew how many people could get sick from it and die, told Trump this information back in December, but Trump dismissed all of that and waited until January 31st because he was worried about his reelection chances if he shut down travel from China.

Am I understanding your vapid conspiracy theories correctly?

[Seran]

You're reading your own President's failure to heed the advice of his Intelligence agency and CDC Director.

[Tgo01]

Watching these bottom feeding reporters give Trump so much shit for being hopeful that a drug might treat patients is downright fucking disgusting.

"You're not a doctor! Why do you keep talking about?!"
"Why don't you just let the science speak for itself?!?!"
"You keep pushing it!"

All I have ever seen Trump say is he is hopeful it will work and he wants the people who are very sick from the Wuhan Virus and might not live be able to at least give it a try to see if it will help.

That is literally it. But the media is so disgusting these days that they have been doing everything in their power to try and turn people away from taking a potentially life saving treatment simply because Trump says he is hopeful about it.

Think about that. The media would rather see people die than to admit that Trump was right. They would rather see people die and continue to suffer from this shutdown then possibly ending the crisis early because they want to inflict maximum damage against Trump and his reelection chances at all costs.

The media should just be outlawed already. They aren't the slightest bit helpful or informative anymore.

Another reporter asked why not shut EVERYTHING down, including grocery stores and restaurants. Uh...because people have to eat?

"I don't get it, Mr. President, why not just let people starve to death in order to save them from a virus?"

[Methais]

Dem Governor Who Banned Hydroxychloroquine Gets Caught Hoarding It (https://kprcradio.iheart.com/featured/the-pursuit-of-happiness/content/2020-04-06-dem-governor-who-banned-hydroxychloroquine-gets-caught-hoarding-it/)

[Methais]

As the President dithered, coronavirus came to the United States.



https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-nsc/as-trump-administration-debated-travel-restrictions-thousands-streamed-in-from-china-idUSKBN21N0EJ

Know what else was happening January 20? Dems devoting everything to dithering with a useless failed impeachment because they’re butthurt twatwaffles like you. All the way until February 5.

Why are you being more retarded than Backlash?

https://media.giphy.com/media/ZsXGPHnHmQYCY/giphy.gif

[Methais]

What's crazy is that Tg is under some impression that the United States President is not to blame for not protecting his people because the WHO was wrong about the coronavirus. His own advisors counseled the President to take action in December, when enacting travel restrictions may have actually prevented the first US case in Washington State. It's a sad day when former President George W Bush can be said to have had a better pandemic plan than the current asshole.

Lol @ you having to reply to yourself just so someone will agree with you.

Fucking dork. :lol: