Wuhan Virus

[Tgo01]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFNYBmWElTI

Not political at all. No, nope, not at all! Have to love that old tweets can be found.

Note: That goes for both sides. This is just an example of one. Funny part is 1:30-2:40. Partisan bullshit in the media is going to destroy us all. All people, regardless of ideology, should be pissed as hell.

I knew almost nothing about Nicki Minaj before all of this. I knew she was a singer and that's about it.

But holy shit, after reading all of this and the back and forth I think she's pretty fucking funny and honest.

She said people should take the vaccine after they do research on it and feel comfortable getting it, they shouldn't feel bullied into getting vaccinated.

ZOMG! What a monster! She's literally killing people!!!

[Shaps]

I knew almost nothing about Nicki Minaj before all of this. I knew she was a singer and that's about it.

But holy shit, after reading all of this and the back and forth I think she's pretty fucking funny and honest.

She said people should take the vaccine after they do research on it and feel comfortable getting it, they shouldn't feel bullied into getting vaccinated.

ZOMG! What a monster! She's literally killing people!!!

Nicki Minaj is a piece of shit.. you can look up her past if you want.. but my point was more about the media and how they are fucking everyone over.. but I get what you're saying.

[drauz]

Yeah no kidding. I literally just quoted that.



It's because you, much like the media, are reading ONE bullet point in a list of bullet points.

The first bullet point very clearly mentions that they are receiving more calls from people taking ivermectin.

The next bullet point, you know the one following the first bullet point which makes clear they are talking about calls related to people taking ivermectin, mentions 70% of calls related to ivermectin usage has been from people taking medication meant for livestock.

What you and the media are doing is known as "taking something out of context." The media did it because they have a narrative to push, you are doing it because for some reason you seem to always defend fake news.


At least 70% of the recent calls have been related to ingestion of livestock or animal formulations of ivermectin purchased at livestock supply centers.

Any reasonable person reads that as 70% of calls coming in are related to people ingesting ivermectin. Not surprising you don't, not to mention you didn't say this when it first came out.. because you read it the same way. Just stop the bullshit already.

[Tgo01]

Nicki Minaj is a piece of shit.. you can look up her past if you want.. but my point was more about the media and how they are fucking everyone over.. but I get what you're saying.

I really don't know anything about her, but in this case she comes off smelling like roses and Joy Reid and the rest of the media comes off smelling like shit as per usual.

[Tgo01]

Any reasonable person reads that as 70% of calls coming in are related to people ingesting ivermectin.

Again that's because you're taking it out of context. The first bullet point makes clear the statement is in regards to the calls they are receiving in regards to ivermectin. No where in this statement does it even hint that they are referring to ALL calls they have received.

I granted you that it was somewhat ambiguous. Maybe the news could have done their job for a change; made some calls, asked for some stats, get some more information.

But NOPE! That's not what the news does these days apparently. Their idea of "reporting" is just copying and pasting a direct message from government officials, and if the statement as a whole isn't juicy enough then just take one part out of context and run with it.

[drauz]

Again that's because you're taking it out of context. The first bullet point makes clear the statement is in regards to the calls they are receiving in regards to ivermectin. No where in this statement does it even hint that they are referring to ALL calls they have received.

I granted you that it was somewhat ambiguous. Maybe the news could have done their job for a change; made some calls, asked for some stats, get some more information.

But NOPE! That's not what the news does these days apparently. Their idea of "reporting" is just copying and pasting a direct message from government officials, and if the statement as a whole isn't juicy enough then just take one part out of context and run with it.

The first bullet point does nothing of the sort, bullet points aren't necessarily related to one another directly. It literally says "70% of calls coming in" not "70% of all calls regarding paste", again most everyone would rightly think that means ALL calls.

Any reasonable person reads it as:

1. We are receiving increased called about this
2. 70% of our calls have been about this

Just like you did when the story came out, now you're trying to pull some crap out of your ass about how it's ambiguous. It's not ambiguous it was written by a idiot. Just stop already.

[Tgo01]

The first bullet point does nothing of the sort, bullet points aren't necessarily related to one another directly. It literally says "70% of calls coming in" not "70% of all calls regarding paste", again most everyone would rightly think that means ALL calls.

Dude. Read.

The first bullet point clearly states that they have been receiving an increased number of calls regarding people taking ivermectin. If you can't even agree on this point then you are purposefully being obtuse.

The very next bullet point clearly states "At least 70% of THE recent calls." Calls? Which calls? Oh right, the calls regarding people taking ivermectin that the first bullet point just got finished discussing.

You're wrong. You couldn't be anymore wrong if you tried.

Yes if you take the second bullet point out of context then it literally sounds like what you're saying. Reading the first bullet point however makes it clear which calls they are referring to: the people calling regarding ivermectin ingestion.

And once again the news could have just done the simplest of journalism and cleared this whole thing up within a matter of minutes. What the hell do they even teach at journalism school anymore? "Just look for images and tweets from government officials and repeat that"?

[drauz]

Yes if you take the second bullet point out of context then it literally sounds like what you're saying. Reading the first bullet point however makes it clear which calls they are referring to: the people calling regarding ivermectin ingestion.


It's so clear that you didn't know they meant that at first?

Again it's not ambiguous, it's written by an idiot and literally everyone took it that way until they corrected themselves.

[Tgo01]

It's so clear that you didn't know they meant that at first?

Huh? I didn't say anything about this story until after the media had to admit that they are once again fake news.


Again it's not ambiguous, it's written by an idiot and literally everyone took it that way until they corrected themselves.

No. Literally the media took it that way and "reported" on it as such. Same way the news "reported" on that doctor saying the ERs were so backed up from people swallowing horse medicine that gun shot victims had to be turned away and everyone just went along with what the media said.

Stop acting like most people don't get their "news" from the media and repeat whatever they say whenever it suits their agenda.

[Gelston]

The first bullet point does nothing of the sort, bullet points aren't necessarily related to one another directly. It literally says "70% of calls coming in" not "70% of all calls regarding paste", again most everyone would rightly think that means ALL calls.

Any reasonable person reads it as:

1. We are receiving increased called about this
2. 70% of our calls have been about this

Just like you did when the story came out, now you're trying to pull some crap out of your ass about how it's ambiguous. It's not ambiguous it was written by a idiot. Just stop already.

It is talking about 70% of the calls mentioned in the first bullet. That is why it uses the word "the".

Not out of all calls received. It was blatantly obvious from the start.

Further research shows they received a total of 17 calls regarding the use of ivermectin in August. I assure you, poison control for the entire state of Mississippi would be very, very happy if 17 represented 70% of their calls.

Double checking to ensure I wasn't spewing out nonsense took a 2 minute google search. You could have done this instead of arguing for 3 hours.

[Stolis]

It is talking about 70% of the calls mentioned in the first bullet. That is why it uses the word "the".

Not out of all calls received. It was blatantly obvious from the start.

Further research shows they received a total of 17 calls regarding the use of ivermectin in August. I assure you, poison control for the entire state of Mississippi would be very, very happy if 17 represented 70% of their calls.

Double checking to ensure I wasn't spewing out nonsense took a 2 minute google search. You could have done this instead of arguing for 3 hours.

It's significantly easier to understand numbers like that. We don't need percentages, because all it takes is an editor who decides to blur or make confusing statements to stir up controversy. 17 calls. That's as cut and dry as it needs to be. There are 17 stupid people in Mississippi with regards to eating an anti-viral paste.

[Parkbandit]

It's significantly easier to understand numbers like that. We don't need percentages, because all it takes is an editor who decides to blur or make confusing statements to stir up controversy. 17 calls. That's as cut and dry as it needs to be. There are 17 stupid people in Mississippi with regards to eating an anti-viral paste.

"17 stupid people in Mississippi" wouldn't promote the worldview the person who wrote this wanted to push. He/she needed a big number like "70%" to make people not bother looking into it and just regurgitate "OMG 70%" around social media.

[Tgo01]

I still can't stop laughing at this whole Nicki Minaj thing.

She said people should do their own research on the vaccine, pray on it, and if they feel comfortable getting the vaccine then go ahead and do it but they shouldn't feel bullied into getting vaccinated and HOLY SHIT! Did that open up the flood gates of Democrat media whining.

How dare she say people should feel comfortable with what they put in their body and shouldn't feel bullied into getting vaccinated, so the Democrat media is going to bully her into shutting up and to just get vaccinated!

The Democrat media saw a black woman having a mind of their own and they said "Oh no! Shut that shit down right now!" But they apparently picked the wrong target in Nicki Minaj because she hasn't backed down at all and is rightfully giving everyone shit in return, calling out Joy Reid for being a homophobic bigot.

Nicki Minaj is my newest favorite person.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Media didn't go ape over that tweet, it was the one where she talks about her cousin or cousins friend or someone in Trinidad getting a covid vaccine right before a wedding and going sterile as a result. Any reasonable human knows because of hundreds of millions of people having gotten the vaccine and not had these reactions would understand the subtext of that tweet is that person likely went to a bachelors party, likely got an STD and their balls swole up.

[Alfster]

Nicki Minaj is my newest favorite person.

I'm not surprised that someone who intimidates rape victims and supports her rapist husband who forgot to register as a sex offender is your new hero. Weird how that news hit right before her batshit crazy stuff on covid of her cousin

[Gelston]

I still can't stop laughing at this whole Nicki Minaj thing.

She said people should do their own research on the vaccine, pray on it, and if they feel comfortable getting the vaccine then go ahead and do it but they shouldn't feel bullied into getting vaccinated and HOLY SHIT! Did that open up the flood gates of Democrat media whining.

How dare she say people should feel comfortable with what they put in their body and shouldn't feel bullied into getting vaccinated, so the Democrat media is going to bully her into shutting up and to just get vaccinated!

The Democrat media saw a black woman having a mind of their own and they said "Oh no! Shut that shit down right now!" But they apparently picked the wrong target in Nicki Minaj because she hasn't backed down at all and is rightfully giving everyone shit in return, calling out Joy Reid for being a homophobic bigot.

Nicki Minaj is my newest favorite person.

"doing your own research" is typically people looking at misleading youtube videos or bullshit on facebook. The easiest way to "do you own research" is to go talk to your primary care doctor. And your primary care doctor will say to get the vaccine.

And yes, Nicki Minaj is a rapist.

[Tgo01]

Media didn't go ape over that tweet, it was the one where she talks about her cousin or cousins friend or someone in Trinidad getting a covid vaccine right before a wedding and going sterile as a result. Any reasonable human knows because of hundreds of millions of people having gotten the vaccine and not had these reactions would understand the subtext of that tweet is that person likely went to a bachelors party, likely got an STD and their balls swole up.

It was the same tweet, it’s why she said people should do their own research.

Even if the ball swollen story is false (it probably is) it was just to illustrate her point that the vaccines do have side effects (and they do) and she had the audacity to tell people to not feel bullied into getting it and now people are trying to bully her into getting vaccinated.

[Tgo01]

I'm not surprised that someone who intimidates rape victims and supports her rapist husband who forgot to register as a sex offender is your new hero. Weird how that news hit right before her batshit crazy stuff on covid of her cousin

Are you Joy Reid or something? Holy shit you’re awful.

[Tgo01]

The easiest way to "do you own research" is to go talk to your primary care doctor.

I agree people should consult with their doctor and now get advice from anyone on TV, this includes the liar Fauci.

[Tgo01]

And yes, Nicki Minaj is a rapist.

I couldn’t find anything about Nicki Minaj being a rapist. Are you confusing her with Cardi B? Racist.

[Gelston]

I couldn’t find anything about Nicki Minaj being a rapist. Are you confusing her with Cardi B? Racist.

https://people.com/music/nicki-minaj-kenneth-petty-sued-by-his-rape-victim-harassment-intimidation/

Search better.

[Tgo01]

https://people.com/music/nicki-minaj-kenneth-petty-sued-by-his-rape-victim-harassment-intimidation/

Search better.

That’s her now husband being accused of rape when Nicki Minaj was 14 years old.

[Gelston]

That’s her now husband being accused of rape when Nicki Minaj was 14 years old.

And she is helping to hush witnesses. She is 100% cool with that type of shit and this is only one of the public things. What might be behind closed doors?

[Tgo01]

And she is helping to hush witnesses. She is 100% cool with that type of shit and this is only one of the public things. What might be behind closed doors?

That still doesn't make her a rapist when she was 14 years old.

Is this when the MeToo movement is in full effect and we have to believe the accuser 100% no matter what?

I get so confused when the MeToo movement applies and when it doesn't.

[Tgo01]

The FDA just voted to approved a third shot of the vaccine for people 65+ and those with serious health issues.

This is the problem with "vaccine passports": are these people only considered "fully vaccinated" if they can show they have had three shots? What happens if in a year from now the FDA and CDC bumps this number up to 8 shots for these makes makes them "fully vaccinated", do these people now need to show 8 shots before they can be considered an acceptable member of society again?

Or maybe...JUST MAYBE......we let people choose what healthcare they want to receive and we don't shun them for their choices and we don't shut them out of society?

[Gelston]

That still doesn't make her a rapist when she was 14 years old.

Is this when the MeToo movement is in full effect and we have to believe the accuser 100% no matter what?

I get so confused when the MeToo movement applies and when it doesn't.

I mean, if they are straight up trying to give the accuser hush money, it seems to reason her story is probably true.

[Tgo01]

I mean, if they are straight up trying to give the accuser hush money, it seems to reason her story is probably true.

I don't know about that.

[Tgo01]

After the mayor of San Francisco got caught breaking her own mandates by not wearing a mask inside of a night club she defended herself by saying she didn’t need the “fun police” to tell her how to have fun and to tell her when she has to wear a mask.

You can’t even make this shit up. The craziest part is Democrats will continue to support this shit and continue to vote for these people who literally think they are better than you, all the while they continue to follow these dumb mandates to the letter and call the commoners murderers if they don’t follow the mandates.

It’s simply mind boggling how Democrats now treat elected Democrats like royalty who have a divine right to do whatever they want.

[Methais]

San Francisco mayor defiant after caught maskless in nightclub despite mandate: Don’t need 'fun police’ (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/san-francisco-mayor-london-breed-maskless-nightclub-mandate-fun-police?fbclid=IwAR1xfXWaWWgpvlX05MhiVynEpKg2zIWomF jaev_i_7wkNJ3msVG8UF4sHAw)


Mayor London Breed appeared to violate her own city's mask order in place since last month

San Francisco Mayor London Breed remained steadfastly defiant about her behavior Friday after she was photographed at a city jazz club dancing and singing without a mask on earlier this week despite a city mandate.

"While I'm eating and drinking I'm going to keep my mask off," Breed, a Democrat, told reporters while calling the story a "distraction," according to FOX 2 of the Bay Area. "And yes, in the time while we're drinking like everyone else there, we were all having a good time and again all vaccinated."

The mayor insisted the focus of media attention should be on live music returning to San Francisco and said that putting a mask on in between eating and drinking isn’t "realistic."

"The fact that this is even a story is sad," she said.

But Breed’s own city ordinance, one of the strictest in the country, requires masks indoors, vaccinated or not, unless the person is actively eating or drinking.

"My drink was sitting at the table. I got up and started dancing because I was feeling the spirit and I wasn't thinking about a mask," Breed explained. "I was thinking about having a good time and in the process I was following the health orders."

"I wasn't thinking about a mask. I was thinking about having a good time and in the process I was following the health orders."

— London Breed, mayor of San Francisco

Breed added, she and fellow club-goers "don’t need the fun police to come in and micromanage and tell us what we should or shouldn’t be doing."

"The fact that this story became about me and less about the artists and nightlife, which I will continue to enjoy in San Francisco, is very unfortunate," she told reporters.

Breed announced the need for the new mask mandate in August as the delta variant continued to spread, according to FOX 2.

"Our economy and our livelihood, and our kids going back to school, and everything in between depends on it," she said at the time.

Photos and video of the event showed almost no one in the club wearing a mask.

The Black Cat Nightclub's Instagram page had posted, and then deleted, a photo showing Breed smiling and partying with friends maskless on Wednesday evening, the San Francisco Chronicle reported. She was accompanied by Black Lives Matter co-founder Alicia Garza and singer Raphael Saadiq.

A Chronicle reporter also tweeted video of Breed singing and dancing.

https://i.imgur.com/XW357Un.png (https://twitter.com/SFMarMendoza/status/1438604391297126452)

Breed previously told the Chronicle that she tests for COVID-19 often, and "at the end of the day, everyone who comes in here has to show proof of vaccination. That gives me a lot of reassurance."

"I’ve been very careful, not just because I want to set an example but because I don’t want to get COVID. I also want to make sure that I’m not someone transmitting COVID to other people," she said. "This entire pandemic has been focused on keeping people safe."

Not ‘playing her part’
But her actions still frustrated San Franciscans, including some Democrats.

"She's been very clear that everybody needs to do their part, we're not out of the woods. San Francisco's rules have been very restrictive, and I don't see her playing her part in that photo," said Danielle Rabkin, Crossfit Golden Gate Gym owner, according to KNTV-TV.

"I am a registered Democrat and I voted for her," a Twitter user wrote, according to KPIX-TV in San Francisco. "I love you Madame Mayor, but its all over the news. …You’ll need to address the public."

"I don't know if it's a moment in a club is the biggest offense, but I do agree she's got the onus is a bit bigger on her to always lead by an example," resident Naveen Baraj told KNTV.

This isn’t the first time that Breed is being criticized for breaking her own coronavirus rules. She was spotted in the swanky French Laundry restaurant in November dining with seven other people to celebrate the birthday of a friend, socialite Goretti Lo Lui, the same restaurant Gov. Gavin Newsom was criticized for dining maskless at around the same time.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, who represents San Francisco in Congress, drew criticism in 2020 for not wearing a mask at a hair salon that was supposed to be closed because of the coronavirus.


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[Shaps]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpF9O0R873I

"Bitch! I do what I want!" - ROFL

Hope all you self-righteous jackasses can take a good look at the Mayor's comments and understand what's happening, and will continue to happen, if you listen to their divisive bullshit. Stop being sheep, or making excuses for them... and tell them to go fuck themselves. Otherwise you're going to be on your knees, wiping your chin off, for years to come.

Also... she is spreading misinformation... she should be banned from all social media... "I don't want to transmit to other people"... is false! She's lying and should be banned! Vaccinated people can spread it! Twitter should remove her right now! - ROFL

[Seran]

Or maybe...JUST MAYBE......we let people choose what healthcare they want to receive and we don't shun them for their choices and we don't shut them out of society?

This kind of thinking would have large swaths of our society still getting polio, smallpox and measles. Personal freedoms are great, until you endanger others through your ignorance. But you don't get to attend public education, travel abroad and likely soon flying commercially. Enjoying your 'freedom' without modern convenience.

[Seran]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpF9O0R873I

"Bitch! I do what I want!" - ROFL

Hope all you self-righteous jackasses can take a good look at the Mayor's comments and understand what's happening, and will continue to happen, if you listen to their divisive bullshit. Stop being sheep, or making excuses for them... and tell them to go fuck themselves. Otherwise you're going to be on your knees, wiping your chin off, for years to come.

Also... she is spreading misinformation... she should be banned from all social media... "I don't want to transmit to other people"... is false! She's lying and should be banned! Vaccinated people can spread it! Twitter should remove her right now! - ROFL

You're quoting a kids show to make your point. That's truly pathetic.

[Shaps]

You're quoting a kids show to make your point. That's truly pathetic.

And the fact you think it's a "kid's show" and not a satirical take on human idiocy... says a lot.

Nice job avoiding the hypocrisy that's smacking you in the face though. Be sure to buy yourself some kneepads. You're the type of human that they like controlling... and what's sad... you don't realize it, but that makes you so perfect for them.

[Arqueto]

You're quoting a kids show to make your point. That's truly pathetic.

lol wut? South Park is a far cry from a "kids show".

[Gelston]

You're quoting a kids show to make your point. That's truly pathetic.

South Park is definitely not a kid's show.

[Tgo01]

This kind of thinking would have large swaths of our society still getting polio, smallpox and measles. Personal freedoms are great, until you endanger others through your ignorance. But you don't get to attend public education, travel abroad and likely soon flying commercially. Enjoying your 'freedom' without modern convenience.

Seran loves the idea of a government enforced caste system. Shit even the Indian caste system isn’t government enforced. This is how far gone Seran’s mind is.

[Tgo01]

You're quoting a kids show to make your point. That's truly pathetic.

Fuck’s sake. You’re such a dumbass.

[Seran]

Seran loves the idea of a government enforced caste system. Shit even the Indian caste system isn’t government enforced. This is how far gone Seran’s mind is.

That's retarded and you know it. Orange man screams abit retaking personal freedom and all you right wing idiots decide a harmless vaccine is the hill you're going to plant your hill and die on. Let's put it frankly, this is a battle even the Trump administration fought Trump on. Vaccine mandates have been around for over fifty years and have all but eradicated polio, smallpox and measles in our country. Now hundreds of thousands have died and science has stepped up to protect us again, but fucknuts like you think people deserve the right to expose others.
Please go suck on an ivermectin cock.

[Tgo01]

That's retarded and you know it.

What else would you call a government enforced system where one class of people are treated like second class citizens? I’m just surprised Democrats haven’t started referring to unvaccinated people as “untouchables” yet.

[Neveragain]

That's retarded and you know it. Orange man screams abit retaking personal freedom and all you right wing idiots decide a harmless vaccine is the hill you're going to plant your hill and die on. Let's put it frankly, this is a battle even the Trump administration fought Trump on. Vaccine mandates have been around for over fifty years and have all but eradicated polio, smallpox and measles in our country. Now hundreds of thousands have died and science has stepped up to protect us again, but fucknuts like you think people deserve the right to expose others.
Please go suck on an ivermectin cock.

It will be OK, Mudblood.

[Seran]

What else would you call a government enforced system where one class of people are treated like second class citizens? I’m just surprised Democrats haven’t started referring to unvaccinated people as “untouchables” yet.

Since when is allowing people to deny themselves access to privileges treating them like second-class citizens. This is all a choice that people are making and not be vaccinated and they have to live with the repercussions as a result

[Tgo01]

Since when is allowing people to deny themselves access to privileges treating them like second-class citizens.

Seran sure misses the Jim Crow South. Holy shit.

"Stop denying yourself access to privileges us first class white people enjoy! Just pay the poll tax iffin you wanna vote!"

Seran also knows that in almost every state black people are the least vaccinated race. I know he knows this, this is why he's pushing for this "vaccine passport" nonsense. Seran just can't wait until the "Whites only" fountains to make a comeback.

[Seran]

Seran sure misses the Jim Crow South. Holy shit.

"Stop denying yourself access to privileges us first class white people enjoy! Just pay the poll tax iffin you wanna vote!"

Seran also knows that in almost every state black people are the least vaccinated race. I know he knows this, this is why he's pushing for this "vaccine passport" nonsense. Seran just can't wait until the "Whites only" fountains to make a comeback.

Yeah, it's absolutely hard to take you seriously when you can't state a single coherent point. You're like a drug addict shouting on the corner, "I'm making poor life choices, please save me from responsibility."

[Shaps]

Since when is allowing people to deny themselves access to privileges treating them like second-class citizens. This is all a choice that people are making and not be vaccinated and they have to live with the repercussions as a result

I'm just done with you... you just used the term "privilege's" to describe what most Americans would say are Freedoms.

No one here has said not to get a vaccine.
No one here has said the vaccine doesn't work.
No one here has said that the vaccine doesn't help reduce the effects of Covid.

Here's the big point...

No one here, except you and those like you, has said people should lose their FREEDOMs because of a personal health choice.

That is the difference.

Again... if you're vaccinated what the fuck do you care what others do? You do believe the vaccine works right? Or are you a vaccine denier? That's it! You're a vaccine denier! Just figured it out. Hopefully you get banned from everything for denying the vaccine works. Idiot.

[Shaps]

Seran... here's a final snippet for you... before Fauci sold out... common sense and approach before the hyper-policization by our Elected Leaders. Listen to the whole thing... and learn something. Notice the difference. Then think for yourself.

Tyranny vs. truly caring for people.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vye8FMVESds

[Seran]

I'm just done with you... you just used the term "privilege's" to describe what most Americans would say are Freedoms.

No one here has said not to get a vaccine.
No one here has said the vaccine doesn't work.
No one here has said that the vaccine doesn't help reduce the effects of Covid.

Here's the big point...

No one here, except you and those like you, has said people should lose their FREEDOMs because of a personal health choice.

That is the difference.

Again... if you're vaccinated what the fuck do you care what others do? You do believe the vaccine works right? Or are you a vaccine denier? That's it! You're a vaccine denier! Just figured it out. Hopefully you get banned from everything for denying the vaccine works. Idiot.

Yeah, you're clearly confused. A personal health choice is one that effects you only. For example, quitting smoking, exercising, seeing a physician or stop sleeping with dirty women. What Antivaxxers are doing is refuting science and reason to refuse a vaccination and usually wearing masks, exposing the rest of society around them to infection.

The government has the responsibility to protect the people as a whole. If requiring vaccinations to attend school, travel or use common carrier services is the best way to accomplish it then they're doing their job. By fighting against common sense, you, Dreaven and the rest of the Conservashit crowd here are supporting ignorance and standing in tandem without that insanity.

A commonly held belief about travel and education being a right or a freedom does not make it so. Just like losing your driving PRIVILEGE after a DUI or having your power turned off for not paying your bills. If you don't get vaccinated then you shouldn't be allowed to expose others to harm.

[Neveragain]

Since when is allowing people to deny themselves access to privileges treating them like second-class citizens. This is all a choice that people are making and not be vaccinated and they have to live with the repercussions as a result

Nobody in this area is going to enforce the mandate. Was at a Village Inn last weekend and the waiting patrons made the restaurant open their closed tables.

[Shaps]

"You might be one of the dumbest people I've ever seen in more than 20 years of playing this game."

Sign your name - LOL.

That video hurt your feelings it seems. Must be rough knowing you're view of the world is so wrong-headed huh? LOL.

All I'm doing is giving you facts, and trying to keep your ass from being a subservient bitch to your overlords - which apparently you want. Next time don't be such a wimp and sign, so I can know who to address directly.

[Shaps]

Yeah, you're clearly confused. A personal health choice is one that effects you only. For example, quitting smoking, exercising, seeing a physician or stop sleeping with dirty women. What Antivaxxers are doing is refuting science and reason to refuse a vaccination and usually wearing masks, exposing the rest of society around them to infection.

The government has the responsibility to protect the people as a whole. If requiring vaccinations to attend school, travel or use common carrier services is the best way to accomplish it then they're doing their job. By fighting against common sense, you, Dreaven and the rest of the Conservashit crowd here are supporting ignorance and standing in tandem without that insanity.

A commonly held belief about travel and education being a right or a freedom does not make it so. Just like losing your driving PRIVILEGE after a DUI or having your power turned off for not paying your bills. If you don't get vaccinated then you shouldn't be allowed to expose others to harm.

Once again.. if you're vaccinated what do you care? You're protected. Just like how any other vaccine has worked throughout history.

You just continually refute the vaccine working. I can't believe you'd spread such disinformation. You vaccine denier! Hopefully you aren't allowed anywhere, since you keep promoting that the vaccine doesn't work.

Fact you keep avoiding that point, again... tells me all I need to know.

[Tgo01]

Yeah, it's absolutely hard to take you seriously when you can't state a single coherent point. You're like a drug addict shouting on the corner, "I'm making poor life choices, please save me from responsibility."

Hey I'm not the one who is pushing for majority black people to be denied access to stores and venues that majority white people are allowed to attend. That's you, buddy! You're pushing for something that would result in fewer black people being able to go into a restaurant because you don't want to sit next to a black person.

[Methais]

You're quoting a kids show to make your point. That's truly pathetic.

Tell us you've never seen South Park without saying you've never seen South Park.

Dumbass.

[Seran]

Once again.. if you're vaccinated what do you care? You're protected. Just like how any other vaccine has worked throughout history.

You just continually refute the vaccine working. I can't believe you'd spread such disinformation. You vaccine denier! Hopefully you aren't allowed anywhere, since you keep promoting that the vaccine doesn't work.

Fact you keep avoiding that point, again... tells me all I need to know.

Because vaccinations don't provide absolute immunity,
Because unvaccinated infections are rising at an alarming rate,
Because with infection comes a chance for mutations which make it harder to stop,

Question is, why are you not concerned with the above. Already Delta has proven even more transmissable, even to the vaccinated. How much worse will it get before you laissez-faire types wake up to your house being on fire.

[Seran]

Hey I'm not the one who is pushing for majority black people to be denied access to stores and venues that majority white people are allowed to attend. That's you, buddy! You're pushing for something that would result in fewer black people being able to go into a restaurant because you don't want to sit next to a black person.

And there it is, that racist fuck Dreaven trying to make it out that everyone is a white nationalist like he is. No dude, I won't put on a white sheet with you.

[Neveragain]

And there it is, that racist fuck Dreaven trying to make it out that everyone is a white nationalist like he is. No dude, I won't put on a white sheet with you.

Mudbloods are super spreaders that increase the odds of passing on super variants.

[~Rocktar~]

And there it is, that racist fuck Dreaven trying to make it out that everyone is a white nationalist like he is. No dude, I won't put on a white sheet with you.

And here is Seran, the racist, Leftist piece of shit who has no real argument other than the usual Leftist tactic to call someone racist or white nationalist which shows off his racism.

We know you are afraid of death but your fear of death does not make a valid excuse to make everyone do what YOU say in order to ease YOUR fears, that is the ultimate in selfish hubris.

Your arguments about the safety of others and so are are moot since there is no guarantee that vaccines and so on protect them and are exactly the same as the ones used by the Brown coats to force gold stars. Vaccine passports are just another form of Gold star and you idiots want to claim that healthcare is a right all the while wanting to make a 2 caste system in the US and deny healthcare to those who are unvaxed. Hypocrisy at it's best.

Now take your racist ass back to the hole you live in and fuck right off.

[Tgo01]

And there it is, that racist fuck Dreaven trying to make it out that everyone is a white nationalist like he is. No dude, I won't put on a white sheet with you.

Your deflection and projection is weak.

You know a majority of whites are vaccinated and you know a majority of black people aren't vaccinated, and you're using this information to say you think the unvaccinated should be treated like second class citizens and not be able to go to restaurants or other venues.

You're racist. You really should do better in life.

[Methais]

Because vaccinations don't provide absolute immunity,
Because unvaccinated infections are rising at an alarming rate,
Because with infection comes a chance for mutations which make it harder to stop,

Question is, why are you not concerned with the above. Already Delta has proven even more transmissable, even to the vaccinated. How much worse will it get before you laissez-faire types wake up to your house being on fire.

Know what else causes mutations? Imperfect vaccines.

Do you know what an imperfect vaccine is?

[Neveragain]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHR2pRKATdc

This is where government enacts NAZI regime policies and expects teenagers to enforce them.

I'm personally excited for when the storefront bombings start happening.

[Methais]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHR2pRKATdc

This is where government enacts NAZI regime policies and expects teenagers to enforce them.

I'm personally excited for when the storefront bombings start happening.

In other news, it's hilarious that people still sag their pants and legitimately think it's cool.

[Tgo01]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHR2pRKATdc

This is where government enacts NAZI regime policies and expects teenagers to enforce them.

I'm personally excited for when the storefront bombings start happening.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/18/nyregion/carmines-vaccination-fight.html

“ Footage Reveals New Details in Tourist Melee at N.Y.C. Restaurant

Three Black women from Texas were arrested, but a lawyer for one called it “mutual combat” after they were called a racial slur.”

Because of course. Why do people think violence is acceptable because of words?

[Alfster]

Are you Joy Reid or something? Holy shit you’re awful.

I'm the awful one in your mind.

Rape is cool with you. Intimidating witnesses is cool. Calling you out on it makes me the horrible person. Lol.

[Tgo01]

Rape is cool with you. Intimidating witnesses is cool.

And you fuckers have the audacity to say I make up shit.

[Seran]

And you fuckers have the audacity to say I make up shit.

You make up shit constantly. If you're not overstating a new story to add made up facts, then you're blatantly misrepresenting the truth.

[Tgo01]

You make up shit constantly.

When did I say rape is cool or that intimidating witnesses is cool?

Don't you have a klan rally to attend?

[Bhaalizmo]

And you fuckers have the audacity to say I make up shit.

All day every day, Sparky.

[Tgo01]

All day every day, Sparky.

k

[Methais]

Here's me all day every day:
https://i.imgur.com/Hz5WdxP.jpg

This is correct.

[Shaps]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrpNQSRlp8w

Not really a Maher or Crowder fan, they both play their sides a bit to much - but that is their schtick. The important part is the actual data, and how the actual News media creates a narrative to divide us all... instead of provide proper information + statistics to keep citizens properly informed.

The tipping point of individual thought vs. group hysteria dominance is nearly done in the US... sad to see happen.

[Gelston]

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/18/nyregion/carmines-vaccination-fight.html

“ Footage Reveals New Details in Tourist Melee at N.Y.C. Restaurant

Three Black women from Texas were arrested, but a lawyer for one called it “mutual combat” after they were called a racial slur.”

Because of course. Why do people think violence is acceptable because of words?

Fighting words is a real thing covered by law.

[Tgo01]

Fighting words is a real thing covered by law.

Pretty sure the fighting words doctrine gives the state the power to arrest people for saying mean words, not that it’s an actual defense for people to physically assault someone.

[Gelston]

Pretty sure the fighting words doctrine gives the state the power to arrest people for saying mean words, not that it’s an actual defense for people to physically assault someone.

It varies by state, but it can be used as inciting violence(which is also the Federal definition). When you incite violence and that happens to you, the other party isn't generally held to the same degree of responsibility. It is like responding after someone else throw the first punch.

[Tgo01]

It varies by state, but it can be used as inciting violence(which is also the Federal definition). When you incite violence and that happens to you, the other party isn't generally held to the same degree of responsibility. It is like responding after someone else throw the first punch.

Incitement is much more than just words.

[ClydeR]

Fox News anchor Tucker Carlson has made several bizarre claims over the US military’s mandatory vaccination policy, saying it targets “men with high testosterone.”

Mr Carlson, on his show on Monday, continued an ongoing crusade against mandatory vaccinations and hit out at Secretary of Defence LLoyd Austin. He claimed the policy was a “new political purity test” by Mr Austin that targeted “sincere Christians” and “freethinkers.”

More... (https://www.yahoo.com/now/tucker-carlson-says-us-military-114607492.html)

This is shocking. Who in the world would think it is OK to spell Defense with a C?

[Gelston]

Incitement is much more than just words.

You can tell that to the 9-0 Supreme Court Justice decision on fighting words.

[Gelston]

This is shocking. Who in the world would think it is OK to spell Defense with a C?

lol, I guarantee the majority of the military is fine with the vaccine. We were used to be fucking guinea pigs for shit anyways. I don't know what half of the shots I got while in were.

[Neveragain]

This is shocking. Who in the world would think it is OK to spell Defense with a C?

Stuti Mishra, who probably shouldn't be trusted considering her past:


Journo with Independent shares fake, photoshopped tweet to defame columnist Shefali Vaidya, brazens it out even after being caught

[Seran]

This is shocking. Who in the world would think it is OK to spell Defense with a C?

“How many children were sacrificed to Satan because of the vaccine?” Nonsense like this is why the Right is so fucked in the head.

[Shaps]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAe9geSKn6w

Listen to your leaders!

If you're having a good time... no mask needed. Got it? Copy! Check!

[Methais]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAe9geSKn6w

Listen to your leaders!

If you're having a good time... no mask needed. Got it? Copy! Check!

Serandroidpk watching that video like

https://c.tenor.com/P5_hF2KzfqEAAAAC/uhhuh-clap.gif

[Neveragain]

Never heard of Tony, Tony, Tony.

[Neveragain]

“How many children were sacrificed to Satan because of the vaccine?” Nonsense like this is why the Right is so fucked in the head.

The majority of black people have not taken the vaccine, the majority of black Americans vote Democrat, the majority of black Americans are devout Christian.

The bigotry of Seran knows no bounds. He just knows everyone must get the vaccine, even if it means taking away their livelihood.

[Seran]

The majority of black people have not taken the vaccine, the majority of black Americans vote Democrat, the majority of black Americans are devout Christian.

The bigotry of Seran knows no bounds. He just knows everyone must get the vaccine, even if it means taking away their livelihood.

Your train of logic is typical Conservashit nonsense. You should get away before you become another Dreavenite racist scumbag

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

This is shocking. Who in the world would think it is OK to spell Defense with a C?


https://i.etsystatic.com/14159373/r/il/05a3b6/3239242853/il_1140xN.3239242853_4s7i.jpg

[Neveragain]

Your train of logic is typical Conservashit nonsense. You should get away before you become another Dreavenite racist scumbag

What did I say that wasn't true?

It's not my fault that Democrats have placed themselves in this predicament. Democrats elected a rich, white, old school racist, in mental decline that has fucked up everything he touches. Now the old school racist, that Democrats elected, is going to put millions out of a job. This will impact the poor and people of color more than any other groups of people.

But you still want to point fingers at those damn Christian conservatives. It's not by chance that the video of the black family being refused service, for not showing their papers, are black. This is what you want, not I.

[Tgo01]

Seran: I won't lose any sleep because the president I fully 100% support murdered seven brown children.
Also Seran: Everyone who disagrees with me is a white supremacist!!1111!!

[Neveragain]

Seran: I won't lose any sleep because the president I fully 100% support murdered seven brown children.
Also Seran: Everyone who disagrees with me is a white supremacist!!1111!!

I wonder if Seran knows that Christian conservatives used to vote Democrat up until the mid 80's?

[Parkbandit]

I wonder if Seran knows that Christian conservatives used to vote Democrat up until the mid 80's?

He's been told by extremely stupid people that the parties magically switched in the late 60's because Democrats are embarrassed (and rightfully so) about the history of their party... being the party of Jim Crow, KKK, against civil rights and against women right to vote.

[~Rocktar~]

He's been told by extremely stupid people that the parties magically switched in the late 60's because Democrats are embarrassed (and rightfully so) about the history of their party... being the party of Jim Crow, KKK, against civil rights and against women right to vote.

They aren't really embarrassed since they still do the same shit, they just want to sweep it under the rug so they can continue to polish the turd. They just want things covered up so their racism and racist policies to continue to control, manipulate and profiteer off minorities can continue.

[Seran]

The daily death toll for Covid-19 is in excess of 2,000 persons per day and according to the CDC only 55% of the population is fully vaccinated, while 64% are partially vaccinated. Science has shown us that nothing will grant full immunity, while being full vaccinated will greatly reduce your chances of becoming ill and dramatically reduce the chances of severe infection requiring hospitalization.

One has to wonder when lies being told on the Right that a previous coronavirus infection grants immunity, or that vaccinations will somehow destroy your Christian soul. It's almost like half the country is begging for more government intervention to protect them from their own dangerous ignorance.

[Neveragain]

The daily death toll for Covid-19 is in excess of 2,000 persons per day and according to the CDC only 55% of the population is fully vaccinated, while 64% are partially vaccinated. Science has shown us that nothing will grant full immunity, while being full vaccinated will greatly reduce your chances of becoming ill and dramatically reduce the chances of severe infection requiring hospitalization.

One has to wonder when lies being told on the Right that a previous coronavirus infection grants immunity, or that vaccinations will somehow destroy your Christian soul. It's almost like half the country is begging for more government intervention to protect them from their own dangerous ignorance.

Science has shown that natural immunity is 20x more effective. Science has shown that only 1-5% of the infected will ever see the inside of a hospital.

The fact that "half the country" is begging the government tells a lot about those people.

You will be fine, mommas boy.

[Seran]

Science has shown that natural immunity is 20x more effective. Science has shown that only 1-5% of the infected will ever see the inside of a hospital.

The fact that "half the country" is begging the government tells a lot about those people.

You will be fine, mommas boy.

Really curious about your source for this information. You don't cite it (of course), but it appears your referring to the 8/2021 Israeli study of their HMO database. This preprint study was found to be flawed on multiple accounts, one because their selection groups weren't were not given PCR tests to determine if they had gotten infected or not. Second, their study excluded folks who died from covid-19 infection.

Tell me, how can you make a determinative argument that unvaccinated, previously infected individuals were less likely to get reinfected if you don't test for infection of all participants in your study group. Secondly, if you exclude from your study those unvaccinated who died of COVID-19 during the study time frame 1/2021 - 8/2021, that severely compromises the results.


Citing the enclosed: https://www.nebraskamed.com/COVID/covid-19-studies-natural-immunity-versus-vaccination

More than a third of COVID-19 infections result in zero protective antibodies
Natural immunity fades faster than vaccine immunity
Natural immunity alone is less than half as effective than natural immunity plus vaccination

Lastly, you're missing the most obvious factor of them all. That people who claim to have had a covid-19 infection, without ever having been tested to confirm. "Pretty sure I've had it" is determinative of absolutely nothing.

We know in the US there have been 43,750,000 confirmed covid-19 cases, of a population of approximately 331 million. That is a literal fuck ton of folks who there is literally no data to support a natural immunity theory on.

So how about instead of basing your misguided ideas off of incomplete or flawed data from another country, you look to the private or public scientific health institutions that have been telling you you're dead wrong.

[Shaps]

https://www.science.org/content/article/having-sars-cov-2-once-confers-much-greater-immunity-vaccine-vaccination-remains-vital

"The study, conducted in one of the most highly COVID-19–vaccinated countries in the world, examined medical records of tens of thousands of Israelis, charting their infections, symptoms, and hospitalizations between 1 June and 14 August, when the Delta variant predominated in Israel. It’s the largest real-world observational study so far to compare natural and vaccine-induced immunity to SARS-CoV-2, according to its leaders."

"The research impresses Nussenzweig and other scientists who have reviewed a preprint of the results, posted yesterday on medRxiv. “It’s a textbook example of how natural immunity is really better than vaccination,” says Charlotte Thålin, a physician and immunology researcher at Danderyd Hospital and the Karolinska Institute who studies the immune responses to SARS-CoV-2. “To my knowledge, it’s the first time [this] has really been shown in the context of COVID-19.”

"The new analysis relies on the database of Maccabi Healthcare Services, which enrolls about 2.5 million Israelis. The study, led by Tal Patalon and Sivan Gazit at KSM, the system’s research and innovation arm, found in two analyses that never-infected people who were vaccinated in January and February were, in June, July, and the first half of August, six to 13 times more likely to get infected than unvaccinated people who were previously infected with the coronavirus."

Weird how that works. An actual study, with the most people to date, in one of the most highly infected areas in the world. Strange.

Want to be ultra safe? Get Covid and have a shot. “And when you bolster that with one dose of vaccine, you take it to levels you can’t possibly match with any vaccine in the world right now.”

Even more interesting: "Nussenzweig’s group has published data showing people who recover from a SARS-CoV-2 infection continue to develop increasing numbers and types of coronavirus-targeting antibodies for up to 1 year. By contrast, he says, twice-vaccinated people stop seeing increases “in the potency or breadth of the overall memory antibody compartment” a few months after their second dose."

So from the data again... I'd refer back to my earlier posts. Protect yourself and do what you think is best for you based on your personal physicians guidance, be cognizant of your surroundings, and be respectful of where you are and others wishes. That doesn't mean the Government should be limiting peoples freedoms, because technically... those that are vaccinated or have natural immunity (or both) are 99.8% protected from death or extreme reactions to reinfection. So be nice to your neighbors and stop being enforcers for the Government.

[Shaps]

Having read through the CDC linked paper... all honesty no wonder people are fucked up all over about what's what...

Telling note: Their personal study... "We studied 72 persons"... Uhhhh...

Hopefully they come out with version 2 of the shot, just like they do every year with the Flu vaccine.

[Methais]

Really curious about your source for this information. You don't cite it (of course), but it appears your referring to the 8/2021 Israeli study of their HMO database. This preprint study was found to be flawed on multiple accounts, one because their selection groups weren't were not given PCR tests to determine if they had gotten infected or not. Second, their study excluded folks who died from covid-19 infection.

Tell me, how can you make a determinative argument that unvaccinated, previously infected individuals were less likely to get reinfected if you don't test for infection of all participants in your study group. Secondly, if you exclude from your study those unvaccinated who died of COVID-19 during the study time frame 1/2021 - 8/2021, that severely compromises the results.



Lastly, you're missing the most obvious factor of them all. That people who claim to have had a covid-19 infection, without ever having been tested to confirm. "Pretty sure I've had it" is determinative of absolutely nothing.

We know in the US there have been 43,750,000 confirmed covid-19 cases, of a population of approximately 331 million. That is a literal fuck ton of folks who there is literally no data to support a natural immunity theory on.

So how about instead of basing your misguided ideas off of incomplete or flawed data from another country, you look to the private or public scientific health institutions that have been telling you you're dead wrong.

I've had it twice and I'm fine.

/thread

[Seran]

https://www.science.org/content/article/having-sars-cov-2-once-confers-much-greater-immunity-vaccine-vaccination-remains-vital

"The study, conducted in one of the most highly COVID-19–vaccinated countries in the world, examined medical records of tens of thousands of Israelis, charting their infections, symptoms, and hospitalizations between 1 June and 14 August, when the Delta variant predominated in Israel. It’s the largest real-world observational study so far to compare natural and vaccine-induced immunity to SARS-CoV-2, according to its leaders."

"The research impresses Nussenzweig and other scientists who have reviewed a preprint of the results, posted yesterday on medRxiv. “It’s a textbook example of how natural immunity is really better than vaccination,” says Charlotte Thålin, a physician and immunology researcher at Danderyd Hospital and the Karolinska Institute who studies the immune responses to SARS-CoV-2. “To my knowledge, it’s the first time [this] has really been shown in the context of COVID-19.”

"The new analysis relies on the database of Maccabi Healthcare Services, which enrolls about 2.5 million Israelis. The study, led by Tal Patalon and Sivan Gazit at KSM, the system’s research and innovation arm, found in two analyses that never-infected people who were vaccinated in January and February were, in June, July, and the first half of August, six to 13 times more likely to get infected than unvaccinated people who were previously infected with the coronavirus."

Weird how that works. An actual study, with the most people to date, in one of the most highly infected areas in the world. Strange.

Want to be ultra safe? Get Covid and have a shot. “And when you bolster that with one dose of vaccine, you take it to levels you can’t possibly match with any vaccine in the world right now.”

Even more interesting: "Nussenzweig’s group has published data showing people who recover from a SARS-CoV-2 infection continue to develop increasing numbers and types of coronavirus-targeting antibodies for up to 1 year. By contrast, he says, twice-vaccinated people stop seeing increases “in the potency or breadth of the overall memory antibody compartment” a few months after their second dose."

So from the data again... I'd refer back to my earlier posts. Protect yourself and do what you think is best for you based on your personal physicians guidance, be cognizant of your surroundings, and be respectful of where you are and others wishes. That doesn't mean the Government should be limiting peoples freedoms, because technically... those that are vaccinated or have natural immunity (or both) are 99.8% protected from death or extreme reactions to reinfection. So be nice to your neighbors and stop being enforcers for the Government.

This was already shown to be incorrect and flawed data. Not to mention the United States has tested an 1/8th of its population, versus the vast majority for Israel. You should read first.

[Seran]

Nearly as many people are dying per day now, with half the country immunized, as there were during the height of the pandemic before vaccines became available. And those people who are dying aren't the vaccinated, it's all of you Antivaxxers.

Tell me, how big a panic are you in now that the orange man lie about herd immunity without vaccines was proven bullshit. How many of your unvaccinated friends and family need to die before you stop pointing to disproven studies as being your miracle?

[Methais]

Nearly as many people are dying per day now, with half the country immunized, as there were during the height of the pandemic before vaccines became available. And those people who are dying aren't the vaccinated, it's all of you Antivaxxers.

Tell me, how big a panic are you in now that the orange man lie about herd immunity without vaccines was proven bullshit. How many of your unvaccinated friends and family need to die before you stop pointing to disproven studies as being your miracle?

If the only people dying are "pro Trump antivaxxers" or whatever, then shouldn't you be excited about this instead of big mad crying about it 24/7?

[Neveragain]

Nearly as many people are dying per day now, with half the country immunized, as there were during the height of the pandemic before vaccines became available. And those people who are dying aren't the vaccinated, it's all of you Antivaxxers.

Tell me, how big a panic are you in now that the orange man lie about herd immunity without vaccines was proven bullshit. How many of your unvaccinated friends and family need to die before you stop pointing to disproven studies as being your miracle?

I don't personally know anyone that has died from covid. I do know a 95 year old woman that got covid, she is fine.

What's it like knowing you're a bigger pussy than a 95 year old woman?

[Neveragain]

CDC says college football games have not increased the spread of covid.

Weird.

[Seran]

If the only people dying are "pro Trump antivaxxers" or whatever, then shouldn't you be excited about this instead of big mad crying about it 24/7?

No one should be happy about people dying because they were mislead or because they didn't have access to the truth.

The study has been posted on Medrxiv and the glaring flaws of the study have already been highlighted.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1.article-metrics

[Seran]

I don't personally know anyone that has died from covid. I do know a 95 year old woman that got covid, she is fine.

What's it like knowing you're a bigger pussy than a 95 year old woman?

Do you use that same retarded anecdotal evidence when you decide to shower, drink more than a glass of water per day or take prescribed medications? Pointing to a single outcome and shouting "Eureka" is the sort of nonsense from the 1400s

[Tgo01]

Nearly as many people are dying per day now, with half the country immunized, as there were during the height of the pandemic before vaccines became available.

So what you're saying is Biden is a complete and utter failure?

[Neveragain]

Do you use that same retarded anecdotal evidence when you decide to shower, drink more than a glass of water per day or take prescribed medications? Pointing to a single outcome and shouting "Eureka" is the sort of nonsense from the 1400s

You're a pussy and that's OK. Just don't ask everyone to be a pussy along with you.

[Wrathbringer]

Nearly as many people are dying per day now, with half the country immunized, as there were during the height of the pandemic before vaccines became available. And those people who are dying aren't the vaccinated, it's all of you Antivaxxers.

Tell me, how big a panic are you in now that the orange man lie about herd immunity without vaccines was proven bullshit. How many of your unvaccinated friends and family need to die before you stop pointing to disproven studies as being your miracle?

You're retarded. Covid is deadly to less than 1% of people, the same people at risk of dying from the flu. Time to offer a yearly covid shot and move on like we did with the flu eventually. Undoubtedly, in response, you'll now point to some anecdotal bullshit you just railed against such as, "nuh uh! a 14 year old Olympic Athlete who set the world record for fitness just died from covid!!!11 Everyone unvaccinated is going to die!!!1111!!" Fuck off with your nanny state bullshit. You can't even fix your own fucked up life. Stop pretending you know what is best for anyone else. Dipshit.

[Wrathbringer]

You're a pussy and that's retarded and expected, but OK. Just don't nazi everyone into being a pussy along with you via supporting unconstitutional mandates.

Fixed.

[Seran]

So what you're saying is Biden is a complete and utter failure?

You're an idiot

[Seran]

You're retarded. Covid is deadly to less than 1% of people, the same people at risk of dying from the flu. Time to offer a yearly covid shot and move on like we did with the flu eventually. Undoubtedly, in response, you'll now point to some anecdotal bullshit you just railed against such as, "nuh uh! a 14 year old Olympic Athlete who set the world record for fitness just died from covid!!!11 Everyone unvaccinated is going to die!!!1111!!" Fuck off with your nanny state bullshit. You can't even fix your own fucked up life. Stop pretending you know what is best for anyone else. Dipshit.

If it were just a seasonal flu, none of this would be an issue. Yet hundreds of thousands are dying and people like you are doing their best to bring back the dark ages of the Catholic church stamping out scientific progress with murder. Only its your own people who are dying as a result

[Tgo01]

You're an idiot

So when Trump is president he is solely responsible for the virus and the virus killing people, when Biden is president and he has the vaccine and all of the information needed that Trump didn't have then Biden is somehow not responsible for the virus spreading or for people dying to the virus?

You truly are just the worst person in the world. But then again you don't care when your president drones 7 brown children so this isn't a surprise to anyone.

[Neveragain]

If it were just a seasonal flu, none of this would be an issue. Yet hundreds of thousands are dying and people like you are doing their best to bring back the dark ages of the Catholic church stamping out scientific progress with murder. Only its your own people who are dying as a result

Can you enlighten us with your "scientific definition" of a parasite, please?

[Tgo01]

Yet hundreds of thousands are dying and people like you are doing their best to bring back the dark ages of the Catholic church stamping out scientific progress with murder.

lol holy shit you are legit insane. Even time4fun could only dream of being this crazy.

You're like the whole far left package:

Extremely racist
Plays racial politics
Thinks he knows what's best for black people
Engages in mass hysterics
Completely ignores war crimes when a Democrat is the one murdering brown people with missiles
Wishes for the day you can live in a dictatorship

All we need now is for you to demand we all refer to you as xer and Latinx.

[Neveragain]

lol holy shit you are legit insane. Even time4fun could only dream of being this crazy.

You're like the whole far left package:

Extremely racist
Plays racial politics
Thinks he knows what's best for black people
Engages in mass hysterics
Completely ignores war crimes when a Democrat is the one murdering brown people with missiles
Wishes for the day you can live in a dictatorship

All we need now is for you to demand we all refer to you as xer and Latinx.

He may have a point about Catholics not understanding science.

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/02/17/article-1251794-085744A8000005DC-597_224x327.jpg

[Parkbandit]

I just found out my Claritin doesn't work properly to stop me from getting allergies because NONE of my neighbors take it.

WTMF!?

[Seran]

So when Trump is president he is solely responsible for the virus and the virus killing people, when Biden is president and he has the vaccine and all of the information needed that Trump didn't have then Biden is somehow not responsible for the virus spreading or for people dying to the virus?

You truly are just the worst person in the world. But then again you don't care when your president drones 7 brown children so this isn't a surprise to anyone.

Feel free to explain how President Biden is going to force vaccinations on the 55% who either refuse or can't get the jab. Point to me where in the constitution a President can tie someone down and give them a vaccine against their will.

[Gelston]

Feel free to explain how President Biden is going to force vaccinations on the 55% who either refuse or can't get the jab. Point to me where in the constitution a President can tie someone down and give them a vaccine against their will.

I mean, he is trying his hardest to become full on dictator like you seem to want.

[Shaps]

https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/public-health/states-ranked-by-percentage-of-population-vaccinated-march-15.html#:~:text=As%20of%206%20a.m.%20EDT,according %20to%20the%20CDC's%20data.

"As of 6 a.m. EDT Sept. 21, a total of 182,012,343 Americans had been fully vaccinated, or 54.8 percent of the country's population, according to the CDC's data."

Pretty sure it's only 45% remaining, and from total population a large portion is kids that are missing from those numbers. This also doesn't include those with natural immunity.



And again: Do what is best for your situation with guidance from your personal physician. Be respectful of others. Be cognizant of your surroundings.

[Seran]

I mean, he is trying his hardest to become full on dictator like you seem to want.

Your snark aside, the President doesn't have the authority to corral Americans an enforce a total vaccination mandate. He can deny contracts to employers with unvaccinated employees, he can make vaccination a requirement for military or government service, but that's as far as the Constitution allows.

So no, as thousands more unvaccinated die everyday, it's not the President's failing. It's the fault of who can get vaccinated and chose not to.

[Neveragain]

Your snark aside, the President doesn't have the authority to corral Americans an enforce a total vaccination mandate. He can deny contracts to employers with unvaccinated employees, he can make vaccination a requirement for military or government service, but that's as far as the Constitution allows.

So no, as thousands more unvaccinated die everyday, it's not the President's failing. It's the fault of who can get vaccinated and chose not to.

$12,000 a day fine for every infraction.

I suggest you stand out in public protesting the unvaccinated after these mandates kick in. A good place for you to protest would be in front of a Walmart, in a black neighborhood, during the Christmas shopping season, a month after these mandates kick in.

[Seran]

$12,000 a day fine for every infraction.


Huh?

[Gelston]

Huh?

He is making it an OSHA violation for any company employing over 100 employees to not enforce mandatory vaccinations.

You say he doesn't have the authority, but we don't know that. State and Local Government, per two seperate Supreme Court cases DO have that authority. I don't think the current Court would extend it to Federal, but you never know. Maybe he might even go back to trying to pack the Supreme Court again.

[Neveragain]

I'm totally uninformed.

I blame it on your 6th grade level of education.

[Seran]

He is making it an OSHA violation for any company employing over 100 employees to not enforce mandatory vaccinations.

You say he doesn't have the authority, but we don't know that. State and Local Government, per two seperate Supreme Court cases DO have that authority. I don't think the current Court would extend it to Federal, but you never know. Maybe he might even go back to trying to pack the Supreme Court again.

OSHA handing out fines is conjecture, there's nothing from OSHA indicating there will be fines or their amount. Multiple news agencies have speculated what fines could be, but there's no thing official.

It's nice to see you connecting the dots, but don't fall into Dreaven's rabbit hole of convincing yourself of facts you made up.

[Neveragain]

I'm totally going to ignore that Biden said there would be $12,000 fines when he introduced this. Mostly because I was too busy fondling Joes leg hairs.

I hope Joes butt was wiped before you went on the leg hair adventure.

[Gelston]

OSHA handing out fines is conjecture, there's nothing from OSHA indicating there will be fines or their amount. Multiple news agencies have speculated what fines could be, but there's no thing official.

It's nice to see you connecting the dots, but don't fall into Dreaven's rabbit hole of convincing yourself of facts you made up.

How do you think OSHA enforces things?

[Methais]

No one should be happy about people dying because they were mislead or because they didn't have access to the truth.

Also Seran:

"But hey Biden blew up a bunch of kids and then tried to cover it up. Shit happens, get over it."

[Methais]

lol holy shit you are legit insane. Even time4fun could only dream of being this crazy.

You're like the whole far left package:

Extremely racist
Plays racial politics
Thinks he knows what's best for black people
Engages in mass hysterics
Completely ignores war crimes when a Democrat is the one murdering brown people with missiles
Wishes for the day you can live in a dictatorship

All we need now is for you to demand we all refer to you as xer and Latinx.

He'll need to conjure up a few PhD's too.



All we need now is for you to demand we all refer to you as xer and Latinx.

Latrin is now Latrinx.

[Tgo01]

Feel free to explain how President Biden is going to force vaccinations on the 55% who either refuse or can't get the jab. Point to me where in the constitution a President can tie someone down and give them a vaccine against their will.

Okay so when Trump is president the virus is his fault, when Biden is president nothing is his fault, even with a vaccine handed to him on a silver platter. Got it.

Also did you somehow miss Biden’s mandates?

[Seran]

Okay so when Trump is president the virus is his fault, when Biden is president nothing is his fault, even with a vaccine handed to him on a silver platter. Got it.

Also did you somehow miss Biden’s mandates?

You know, Trump did help shepard in the vaccine quickly via operation warp speed, despite his level best to fuck it up. A pity the majority of his supporters won't take the vaccine. Even more hilarious is the sense of betrayal they share about him finally encouraging vaccination in lieu of natural immunity.

[Tgo01]

You know, Trump did help shepard in the vaccine quickly via operation warp speed, despite his level best to fuck it up. A pity the majority of his supporters won't take the vaccine. Even more hilarious is the sense of betrayal they share about him finally encouraging vaccination in lieu of natural immunity.

Blacks vote Democrat at a rate of 90%+, blacks are the least vaccinated group. Why do you continue to push lies?

Maybe you should blame Biden and Harris for saying you can’t trust the vaccine or CDC then doing a 180 once they won.

From day one Trump encouraged people to get vaccinated and to this day encourages people to get vaccinated, you can’t say the same for Biden and Harris but you’ll lie anyways.

[~Rocktar~]

You know, Trump did help shepard in the vaccine quickly via operation warp speed, despite his level best to fuck it up. A pity the majority of his supporters won't take the vaccine. Even more hilarious is the sense of betrayal they share about him finally encouraging vaccination in lieu of natural immunity.

The majority of the unvaxxed are African Americans. Are you saying the majority of African Americans are Trump supporters? What the fuck are you smoking cause it's some good shit.

[Alfster]

Blacks vote Democrat at a rate of 90%+, blacks are the least vaccinated group. Why do you continue to push lies?
.

Nothing screams I'm not racist more than talking about the blacks. Lol.

[Ashliana]

The majority of the unvaxxed are African Americans.

This statement is hilariously false. Source (https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#vaccination-demographic).

Take a statistics class, retard.

Or in other words:

https://cdn130.picsart.com/347478165020201.jpg?type=webp&to=crop&r=256

[Tgo01]

Nothing screams I'm not racist more than talking about the blacks. Lol.

It’s now racist to even talk about black people?

I better alert the media! They are the biggest groups of racists ever!

Good job on contributing to making the word “racist” completely meaningless.

[Neveragain]

Blacks vote Democrat at a rate of 90%+, blacks are the least vaccinated group. Why do you continue to push lies?

Maybe you should blame Biden and Harris for saying you can’t trust the vaccine or CDC then doing a 180 once they won.

From day one Trump encouraged people to get vaccinated and to this day encourages people to get vaccinated, you can’t say the same for Biden and Harris but you’ll lie anyways.

I probably would have gotten the vaccine by now but since they are going full "show me your papers", it's a no from me.

[Tgo01]

I probably would have gotten the vaccine by now but since they are going full "show me your papers", it's a no from me.

You would think by now that when the government tells you that you have to do something it tends to piss people off and makes them question the motive.

Democrats were telling people not to trust the vaccine or CDC because Trump was president, then they flip flopped and said everyone had to get the vaccine when Biden won, and now they are telling people they have to get the vaccine or else lose their job or be forbidden from entering certain public and private places. Democrats have created this fear and hesitancy of the vaccine and people like Seran are for some reason blaming Trump. I would say it's bizarre but it's not really, it's just the kind of political games Democrats play.

[Ashliana]

I probably would have gotten the vaccine by now but since they are going full "show me your papers", it's a no from me.

Don't worry, we'll all have a good laugh at your expense when you eventually get a Herman Cain Award.


You would think by now that when the government tells you that you have to do something it tends to piss people off and makes them question the motive.

Democrats were telling people not to trust the vaccine or CDC because Trump was president, then they flip flopped and said everyone had to get the vaccine when Biden won, and now they are telling people they have to get the vaccine or else lose their job or be forbidden from entering certain public and private places.

* Citation required. You won't be able to, since you've been forced to lie, as always, Dreaven. Best of luck, though!


Democrats have created this fear and hesitancy of the vaccine and people like Seran are for some reason blaming Trump. I would say it's bizarre but it's not really, it's just the kind of political games Democrats play.

Erm, no, the performative opposition to science became a mark of pride for your cult, and you people have been committing suicide to own the libs.

https://c.tenor.com/FyQPGvSL65kAAAAC/willy-wonka-stop-dont-come-back.gif

[Neveragain]

Don't worry, we'll all have a good laugh at your expense when you eventually get a Herman Cain Award.

I already had it. It was an ear infection and a stuffy nose.

It's so very Democrat of you to celebrate the death of a black conservative though. Are you wearing your pointy hood?

[Ashliana]

I already had it. It was an ear infection and a stuffy nose.

It's so very Democrat of you to celebrate the death of a black conservative though.

Nobody's "celebrating" his death. No tears will be shed, however, for an idiot who downplayed the risks of COVID, performatively refused to wear a mask, then went to a huge Trump rally where he caught COVID and subsequently died.


Are you wearing your pointy hood?

The pointy hoods are a southern, white rural conservative thing. As is performative ignorance about that racist legacy. :)

Better luck next time, Alwaysracist.

[Gelston]

Seran, how do you think OSHA enforces things? Since you decided to skip that.

[Neveragain]

Nobody's "celebrating" his death.

Sure thing, Forrest.

[Methais]

Nothing screams I'm not racist more than talking about the blacks. Lol.

It’s probably much less racist to pretend they don’t exist.

[Shaps]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEzosYuxwqA

When the "minions" are to stupid to even realize their own stupidity.

[~Rocktar~]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEzosYuxwqA

When the "minions" are to stupid to even realize their own stupidity.

LULZ

[Tgo01]

Democrats: Voter ID is racist!!!! Black people are too poor or too dumb to get a government issued ID!!!111

Also Democrats: Vaccine mandates make perfect sense! Everyone should be forced to get vaccinated and should show proof of their vaccination status if they want to work, go out to a restaurant, or ever leave their house!!!!!!111

[Solkern]

You would think by now that when the government tells you that you have to do something it tends to piss people off and makes them question the motive.


Except the government tells people to do things all the time.

[Methais]

Except the government tells people to do things all the time.

How often do they say “Do this or you can’t work or go out or do anything at all because you’re evil.” though?

[Seran]

The spikes in ivermectin misuse sparked the FDA to issue an advisory against using the drug for the virus earlier this month.

“You are not a horse. You are not a cow. Seriously, y’all. Stop it,” the agency said on Twitter.

Ivermectin oerdose reports to the FDA have tripled for the year through September and Right Wing media shows no end to spreading misinformation about it's use. It's sad so many tin foil hat wearing, anti-science kooks are so desperate to stop vaccinations they're leading people to poison themselves.

Ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, injected disinfectants, just what will be next for the anti vaxxer crowd?

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/574397-ivermectin-disinformation-leads-to-new-kinds-of-chaos

[Neveragain]

Ivermectin oerdose reports to the FDA have tripled for the year through September and Right Wing media shows no end to spreading misinformation about it's use. It's sad so many tin foil hat wearing, anti-science kooks are so desperate to stop vaccinations they're leading people to poison themselves.

Ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, injected disinfectants, just what will be next for the anti vaxxer crowd?

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/574397-ivermectin-disinformation-leads-to-new-kinds-of-chaos

All I took away from reading that opinion piece was that Justine Coleman doesn't know that there is a human form of ivermectin and uses media matters as a source of information.

"Tripled"


1,440 calls through Sept. 20, according to the American Association of Poison Control Centers.

I'm not at all surprised that you didn't post the actual numbers.

Analgesics are the most common substance called about to the poison control center. Obviously we need to pull all over the counter pain killers off the shelves. Those stupid people using tylenol for headaches are the devil.

[Solkern]

How often do they say “Do this or you can’t work or go out or do anything at all because you’re evil.” though?

I’m not sure in the specific things you listed but literally everyday people are told they have to do this or that or they can’t do so and so, such as, they can’t enroll in public school without proper immunizations or certain vaccines. You can’t join the military without taking mandatory vaccines, just to name a few.

[Neveragain]

can’t enroll in public school without proper immunizations.

https://c.tenor.com/-Al8NY4CLRAAAAAM/donald-trump-fake-news.gif

[Solkern]

https://c.tenor.com/-Al8NY4CLRAAAAAM/donald-trump-fake-news.gif

All fifty states in the U.S. mandate immunizations for children in order to enroll in public school, but the specific vaccines required differ from state to state, and various exemptions are available depending on state law.

So no, it’s not fake news.

[Solkern]

https://vaccines.procon.org/state-by-state-vaccinations-required-for-public-school-kindergarten/

https://www.immunize.org/laws/

[Seran]

All I took away from reading that opinion piece was that Justine Coleman doesn't know that there is a human form of ivermectin and uses media matters as a source of information.

"Tripled"



I'm not at all surprised that you didn't post the actual numbers.

Analgesics are the most common substance called about to the poison control center. Obviously we need to pull all over the counter pain killers off the shelves. Those stupid people using tylenol for headaches are the devil.

There is a human form of ivermectin that is only prescribed for a couple of very specific parasitic infection. But this isn't what people are taking or overdosing on, they're taking farm animal ivermectin concentrate, getting sick and sometimes dying. I love that you're the poster boy for a people's right to poison themselves, but you really need to find a better job than defend crazy people.

[Neveragain]

There is a human form of ivermectin that is only prescribed for a couple of very specific parasitic infection. But this isn't what people are taking or overdosing on, they're taking farm animal ivermectin concentrate, getting sick and sometimes dying. I love that you're the poster boy for a people's right to poison themselves, but you really need to find a better job than defend crazy people.

I totally defend the freedom for people to make their own decisions. People still drink isopropyl alcohol, just ask Stephen King.

[Neveragain]

https://vaccines.procon.org/state-by-state-vaccinations-required-for-public-school-kindergarten/

https://www.immunize.org/laws/

So vaccines are optional to attend public school.

[Solkern]

So vaccines are optional to attend public school.


Um, no they aren’t.

https://vaccines.procon.org/state-vaccination-exemptions-for-children-entering-public-schools/

You can request an exemption, but vaccines are in no way optional.

[Solkern]

I totally defend the freedom for people to make their own decisions. People still drink isopropyl alcohol, just ask Stephen King.

So, you’re OK with abortions?

[Neveragain]

So you’re OK with abortions?

No. There's a 99.9999% chance the human dies when you intentionally murder them.

There's a 99% chance you will survive covid.

[Neveragain]

Um, no they aren’t.

https://vaccines.procon.org/state-vaccination-exemptions-for-children-entering-public-schools/

You can request an exemption, but vaccines are in no way optional.

Exemption = optional. It's as easy as talking to your religious counselor.

[Solkern]

No. There's a 99.9999% chance the human dies when you intentionally murder them.

There's a 99% chance you will survive covid.

Ok, but you just said you totally defend the freedom for people to make their own decisions, isn’t an abortion a decision?

Do you also totally defend the freedom for people to make their own the decision to go to a school and kill people?

[Solkern]

Exemption = optional. It's as easy as talking to your religious counselor.


Uh not it’s not? Because your request can be denied. So no, it’s not optional.

https://images.procon.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/17/wyoming-vax-religious-exemption-form.pdf

[Parkbandit]

Ok, but you just said you totally defend the freedom for people to make their own decisions, isn’t an abortion a decision?

Do you also totally defend the freedom for people to make their own the decision to go to a school and kill people?

Not that I'm pro-life.. but people can make their own decisions. The fetus can't.. which is why people are defending them.

[Neveragain]

Uh not it’s not? Because your request can be denied. So no, it’s not optional.

https://images.procon.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/17/wyoming-vax-religious-exemption-form.pdf

That's still optional. My brothers kids all attended public school without vaccines. Nobody died because of it.

[Solkern]

Not that I'm pro-life.. but people can make their own decisions. The fetus can't.. which is why people are defending them.



Fair point, and I agree with it. I’m only for abortion if the mother’s life would be in danger, rape, and the parents are unable to provide a stable life.

[Solkern]

That's still optional. My brothers kids all attended public school without vaccines. Nobody died because of it.

Dude, that doesn’t make it optional.

Ok so answer this, what happens if your request for exemption is not approved in any state. Do you still have the option to send you child to public school without a vaccine?

[Neveragain]

Dude, that doesn’t make it optional.

Ok so answer this, what happens if your request for exemption is not approved in any state. Do you still have the option to send you child to public school without a vaccine?

Except that's not what happens. I gave you a real life example of how it's optional. "What if" is fiction.

"What if Gandalf had taken the one ring?" is not an argument.

[Parkbandit]

Fair point, and I agree with it. I’m only for abortion if the mother’s life would be in danger, rape, and the parents are unable to provide a stable life.

Who determines if the parents are unable to provide a stable life though?

So you only want poor people to have abortions?

[Seran]

A woman's right to choose is just that. Fetuses don't have a choice, are incapable of making a choice and despite the anti-abortion crowds attempts at humanize a collection of cells before its even viable, wishing won't make it so. Abortion is a right, there shouldn't be a justification required. If a woman does not want a child and chooses an abortion, it's done. Making abortions so difficult to obtain is a very poor mask for trying to abolish the practice because Christian God may or may not have said no.

[Neveragain]

A woman's right to choose is just that. Fetuses don't have a choice, are incapable of making a choice and despite the anti-abortion crowds attempts at humanize a collection of cells before its even viable, wishing won't make it so. Abortion is a right, there shouldn't be a justification required. If a woman does not want a child and chooses an abortion, it's done. Making abortions so difficult to obtain is a very poor mask for trying to abolish the practice because Christian God may or may not have said no.

Ok, Hitler.

Is a 3 month old mass of cells able to make decisions?

What does "Mommy don't murder me!" sound like in coo?

[Neveragain]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFtlK6fuVno

[Parkbandit]

A woman's right to choose is just that. Fetuses don't have a choice, are incapable of making a choice and despite the anti-abortion crowds attempts at humanize a collection of cells before its even viable, wishing won't make it so. Abortion is a right, there shouldn't be a justification required. If a woman does not want a child and chooses an abortion, it's done. Making abortions so difficult to obtain is a very poor mask for trying to abolish the practice because Christian God may or may not have said no.

When does that "right" expire? 6 weeks? 3 months? 9 months? 3 years?

[Tgo01]

Fetuses don't have a choice, are incapable of making a choice

You say this like it's a perfectly valid reason for ending someone's life.

You know what we as a civil and rational society do when someone can't make medical decisions for themselves? We do everything in our power to save their lives then after they are capable of making their own medical decisions we ask them what they want.

[Shaps]

I've never understood this whole argument...

Personally, I dislike abortion and don't agree with it except in extreme measures (rape, incest, mother's health).

I also understand we're a Nation of many different views, and a woman should have a choice.

I go by this rational logic, if a compromise is to be had, with such a situation is as follows:

"Richard, the world's most premature baby to survive, proved them wrong: He just turned 1. On June 5, 2020 — four months before her due date — Richard's mother, Beth Hutchinson, abruptly went into labor. She was 21 weeks and two days pregnant, meaning only about halfway to full gestation."

The youngest a born child has survived is above - at 21 weeks... as a compromise, the law should state abortions are legal up until the 5th month, after that abortions are illegal because the child has a viable chance of survival outside of the womb.

If a mother can't decide in 5 months, that's on them... they shouldn't then kill a viable child after that point by any means.

I still personally dislike abortions as a method of birth control, but a "reasonable" law to accommodate both sides of the argument should be able to be reached.

Those that advocate for late term abortions can just fucking rot in hell though. They're pieces of shit. There is no changing that fact.

[Alfster]

https://www.reddit.com/r/WinStupidPrizes/comments/py6xi1/the_ivermectin_appears_to_be_working

[Neveragain]

Those that advocate for late term abortions can just fucking rot in hell though. They're pieces of shit. There is no changing that fact.

The people you vote for do advocate for it though. They literally celebrated it.

[Seran]

You say this like it's a perfectly valid reason for ending someone's life.

You know what we as a civil and rational society do when someone can't make medical decisions for themselves? We do everything in our power to save their lives then after they are capable of making their own medical decisions we ask them what they want.

It's not a life before its viable. There is no moral argument to be made about ridding a body of a non viable collection of cells that a mother doesn't want inside of her. Christians and Republicans treat a pregnancy as punishment for having sex.

[Shaps]

The people you vote for do advocate for it though. They literally celebrated it.

?

1. Who do you think I vote for?

and

2. Who's advocating for it other than crazy people?

[Neveragain]

Christians and Republicans treat a pregnancy as punishment for having sex.

This is Seran slowly figuring out that babies don't come from storks.

[Neveragain]

?

1. Who do you think I vote for?

and

2. Who's advocating for it other than crazy people?

I had a bifocal malfunction.

[Shaps]

I had a bifocal malfunction.

Lol.. it happens.

Again, I just don't get why a compromise can't be made... instead of this political football... oh wait, that's why one can't be made... election time, stoke the fear, get out the vote topic.

Earliest viable baby to survive - 5 months. No abortions after the 5th month. Seems pretty straight forward to me. Wouldn't be my personal choice, but is a reasonable compromise in a diverse society /shrug.

[Tgo01]

It's not a life before its viable.

Says who? Who exactly made this decision? Oh right, politicians.

The absolute hilarity of people saying shit like this is that you can face federal prosecution and spend time in prison if you destroy bird eggs of birds that are native to the US.

Yes that's right! If you destroy bird eggs, you know those things filled with non-viable "non-life" you can actually be charged with a felony and spend time in jail. People like you then have the utter audacity to turn around and say "But it's not a human life so it's okay!!!"

[Shaps]

Says who? Who exactly made this decision? Oh right, politicians.

The absolute hilarity of people saying shit like this is that you can face federal prosecution and spend time in prison if you destroy bird eggs of birds that are native to the US.

Yes that's right! If you destroy bird eggs, you know those things filled with non-viable "non-life" you can actually be charged with a felony and spend time in jail. People like you then have the utter audacity to turn around and say "But it's not a human life so it's okay!!!"

/insert sarcasm

Hadn't thought about that, but huh... sorta true... If I were hunting and got caught for something like "egg-poaching" bald eagles... I'd use the right to abortion as a legal defense... interesting.

[Solkern]

Who determines if the parents are unable to provide a stable life though?

So you only want poor people to have abortions?


Could be a slew of reasons, mental health problems or abusive relationships for example.

[Solkern]

Except that's not what happens. I gave you a real life example of how it's optional. "What if" is fiction.

"What if Gandalf had taken the one ring?" is not an argument.


Except that is exactly how it happens, your exemption could be denied. That means it’s not optional. You are given a opportunity to state your reason for an exemption. It’s up to the official to deny or approve.

I gave you a link to the Wyoming exemption request, that clearly states at the bottom your request can be denied.

Here, I’ll link it again for you.
https://images.procon.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/17/wyoming-vax-religious-exemption-form.pdf

[Solkern]

Ok, Hitler.

Is a 3 month old mass of cells able to make decisions?

What does "Mommy don't murder me!" sound like in coo?

Why doesn’t child support start at the moment of pregnancy? Why don’t your taxes reflect for your fetus if it’s alive? Shouldn’t I be able to claim that fetus as a dependent, shouldn’t I get tax breaks for my fetus? I mean if it is alive in the womb and it depends on the mother for its life?

If someone has no brain activity, they are legally dead, so if a fetus doesn’t have brain activity, how can it legally be alive? Why can you legally pull the plug on a brain dead person? They don’t have a chance to say “Don’t murder me!”

Why is it a right and ok for a mother, father, wife or husband to legally pull the plug on someone, but a mother doesn’t have the right to have an abortion?

[Tgo01]

Why doesn’t child support start at the moment of pregnancy? Why don’t your taxes reflect for your fetus if it’s alive? Shouldn’t I be able to claim that fetus as a dependent, shouldn’t I get tax breaks for my fetus? I mean if it is alive in the womb and it depends on the mother for its life?

I mean if your only argument is that a fetus is sometimes not considered a person under the law then change the law. That's a lame excuse. Did you know in most (all?) states except NY you can be tried for murder/manslaughter if you cause a pregnant woman to lose her baby? There goes this argument of yours.


If someone has no brain activity, they are legally dead, so if a fetus doesn’t have brain activity, how can it legally be alive? Why can you legally pull the plug on a brain dead person? They don’t have a chance to say “Don’t murder me!”

A) This is a whole separate discussion.
B) We don't technically kill those people, we remove all medical devices keeping them alive and let nature take its course, that's not at all what goes on with an abortion.
C) I can't believe this actually needs to be explained but I'll go ahead anyways:

There is a vast difference between "This person has no brain activity and will never recover" and "This fetus will grow to be a healthy baby capable of living a normal life assuming we don't abort it."

[Solkern]

I mean if your only argument is that a fetus is sometimes not considered a person under the law then change the law. That's a lame excuse. Did you know in most (all?) states except NY you can be tried for murder/manslaughter if you cause a pregnant woman to lose her baby? There goes this argument of yours.

That’s exactly my issue, the laws go both ways, and there is no cohesion to it.
Your child is alive so you can’t have an abortion, but in terms of taxes and other things, it’s not alive! But if you kill the mother and the fetus you get charged for double murder!




A) This is a whole separate discussion.
B) We don't technically kill those people, we remove all medical devices keeping them alive and let nature take its course, that's not at all what goes on with an abortion.
C) I can't believe this actually needs to be explained but I'll go ahead anyways:

There is a vast difference between "This person has no brain activity and will never recover" and "This fetus will grow to be a healthy baby capable of living a normal life assuming we don't abort it."

That was an example, you can be in a coma with brain activity and someone can still pull the plug as well, with the possibility of recovering and living a perfectly normal healthy life. There is no guarantee of this, just like there is no guarantee that the baby will grow and be healthy and live a normal life.

[Tgo01]

That’s exactly my issue, the laws go both ways, and there is no cohesion to it.
Your child is alive so you can’t have an abortion, but in terms of taxes and other things, it’s not alive! But if you kill the mother and the fetus you get charged for double murder!

Hey I'm all for making it consistent. I would just love to see Democrats all over the country have the balls to say what NY did and consider a fetus a non-person in every circumstance. We would have true solid red states like we have solid blue states.


There is no guarantee of this, just like there is no guarantee that the baby will grow and be healthy and live a normal life.

If the argument is there is no guarantee a fetus will grow to be healthy and live a normal life then really the government can mandate that any one of us can be killed.

Again talking about comas and medical vegetables is a whole separate discussion because it's dealing with an entirely different situation than talking about a perfectly normal fetus. If x-rays or whatever can determine that a fetus has no brain or only half a brain or something then I would say that's an entirely different discussion as well.

[Solkern]

If the argument is there is no guarantee a fetus will grow to be healthy and live a normal life then really the government can mandate that any one of us can be killed.

Again talking about comas and medical vegetables is a whole separate discussion because it's dealing with an entirely different situation than talking about a perfectly normal fetus. If x-rays or whatever can determine that a fetus has no brain or only half a brain or something then I would say that's an entirely different discussion as well.

Like I said, I feel abortion should only be allowed for certain situations, rape, mother’s health, or the baby won’t have a stable life. Ie mental health issues

[Tgo01]

or the baby won’t have a stable life. Ie mental health issues

That's awfully broad.

[Solkern]

That's awfully broad.


Mental health issues, a history of abuse, alcoholism, drug addiction to name a few more

[Tgo01]

Mental health issues, a history of abuse, alcoholism, drug addiction to name a few more

Oh you mean the mother has mental health issues. So, like, would the mother make that decision or a doctor or the government?

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

What does abortion have to do with the kung flu?

[Parkbandit]

Could be a slew of reasons, mental health problems or abusive relationships for example.

"Who" is not the same as "What".

[Orthin]

So under Texas new law could I as a private citizen report anyone associated with using the death penalty on one of their death row inmates since that is pre-maturely ending a human life?

[Gelston]

So under Texas new law could I as a private citizen report anyone associated with using the death penalty on one of their death row inmates since that is pre-maturely ending a human life?

No, because those people are performing a state-mandated function, as the person being executed was found guilty by and sentenced by the state. The difference is someone sentenced to death had their chance at life and fucked it up. A fetus never gets that chance in the first place.

[Neveragain]

So under Texas new law could I as a private citizen report anyone associated with using the death penalty on one of their death row inmates since that is pre-maturely ending a human life?

I'm assuming the inmate committed murder and that's why they are facing the death penalty?

Are you arguing that murder should be legal?

[Gelston]

I'm assuming the inmate committed murder and that's why they are facing the death penalty?

Are you arguing that murder should be legal?

I think he is more saying the death penalty shouldn't be legal, and is trying to associate an unborn fetus with a murderer.

[Neveragain]

Mental health issues, a history of abuse, alcoholism, drug addiction to name a few more

We used to sterilize these people, then decided that was inhumane, because it is. Almost as inhumane as murdering children because they may have a difficult life.

It would be a good idea to have an agency that protects children from abusive environments..... oh wait.

[Neveragain]

I think he is more saying the death penalty shouldn't be legal, and is trying to associate an unborn fetus with a murderer.

I personally don't support the death penalty. Of course I don't compare innocent human beings to murderers either. Mostly because I'm not batshit crazy.

[Methais]

Except that's not what happens. I gave you a real life example of how it's optional. "What if" is fiction.

"What if Gandalf had taken the one ring?" is not an argument.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_gFEN-GhiQ

[Methais]

A woman's right to choose is just that. Fetuses don't have a choice, are incapable of making a choice and despite the anti-abortion crowds attempts at humanize a collection of cells before its even viable, wishing won't make it so. Abortion is a right, there shouldn't be a justification required. If a woman does not want a child and chooses an abortion, it's done. Making abortions so difficult to obtain is a very poor mask for trying to abolish the practice because Christian God may or may not have said no.

I bet you'd change your tune really quick if fetuses were allowed to vote.

[Seran]

Says who? Who exactly made this decision? Oh right, politicians.

The absolute hilarity of people saying shit like this is that you can face federal prosecution and spend time in prison if you destroy bird eggs of birds that are native to the US.

Yes that's right! If you destroy bird eggs, you know those things filled with non-viable "non-life" you can actually be charged with a felony and spend time in jail. People like you then have the utter audacity to turn around and say "But it's not a human life so it's okay!!!"

Your non-sequitur has no place in an abortion debate. It's politicians through scientific data, but that is also irrelevant to the discussion as in the Untied States, all laws are derived from the Constitution. Forcing a woman who conceived and is unable or unwilling to bear a pregnancy to term wants an abortion, there is no constitutional basis for stopping it.

[Seran]

Why doesn’t child support start at the moment of pregnancy? Why don’t your taxes reflect for your fetus if it’s alive? Shouldn’t I be able to claim that fetus as a dependent, shouldn’t I get tax breaks for my fetus? I mean if it is alive in the womb and it depends on the mother for its life?

If someone has no brain activity, they are legally dead, so if a fetus doesn’t have brain activity, how can it legally be alive? Why can you legally pull the plug on a brain dead person? They don’t have a chance to say “Don’t murder me!”

Why is it a right and ok for a mother, father, wife or husband to legally pull the plug on someone, but a mother doesn’t have the right to have an abortion?

Child support specifically doesn't start at conception in /most/ states because it's not a person and determining parentage in an early pregnancy is next to impossible.

The double standard employed by the Right is nonsensical.

[Methais]

https://www.reddit.com/r/WinStupidPrizes/comments/py6xi1/the_ivermectin_appears_to_be_working

https://i.imgur.com/nBDE8mj.png



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Reported.

[Methais]

What does abortion have to do with the kung flu?

Both are a religion to leftists.

[Orthin]

I think he is more saying the death penalty shouldn't be legal, and is trying to associate an unborn fetus with a murderer.

No I think the death penalty should be legal, I am arguing that a life is a life. If you are going to justify a law based on the protection of life it is hypocritical to also have laws to take a life. And yes I wholeheartedly understand an unborn fetus is not a murderer (or insert whatever crime got someone on death row) but if your goal (Texas) is to protect life it is not the best look.

My comment was tongue in cheek pointing out the selective nature of the law.

[Gelston]

No I think the death penalty should be legal, I am arguing that a life is a life. If you are going to justify a law based on the protection of life it is hypocritical to also have laws to take a life. And yes I wholeheartedly understand an unborn fetus is not a murderer (or insert whatever crime got someone on death row) but if your goal (Texas) is to protect life it is not the best look.

My comment was tongue in cheek pointing out the selective nature of the law.

A life isn't a life though. An innocent life that has done no wrong shouldn't be ended. Someone being put to death has done wrong. It isn't selective nature of law in anyway.... Unless you are in fact saying that an unborn child is the same thing as a convicted murderer.

[Orthin]

I'm assuming the inmate committed murder and that's why they are facing the death penalty?

Are you arguing that murder should be legal?

According to Texas when they execute someone it is, but my argument was taking life at face value and not creating circumstance to devalue an existence over another.

[Orthin]

A life isn't a life though. An innocent life that has done no wrong shouldn't be ended. Someone being put to death has done wrong. It isn't selective nature of law in anyway.... Unless you are in fact saying that an unborn child is the same thing as a convicted murderer.

If both are considered human and both could have their lives prematurely ended, yes they are the same. Both of these are choices with consequences.

[Gelston]

If both are considered human and both could have their lives prematurely ended, yes they are the same. Both of these are choices with consequences.

I guess you're just completely against all punishment then. Why should one person be locked up or executed and someone else free to not be?

Also, you're seeing a baby as a consequence of an action, which goes more to say on you than anything else.

[Orthin]

I guess you're just completely against all punishment then. Why should one person be locked up or executed and someone else free to not be?

Also, you're seeing a baby as a consequence of an action, which goes more to say on you than anything else.

You misunderstood what my choices of consequence were. My choices of consequence are the ending of the life (the baby or the convict). I would imagine even if the law tells you it is okay it can't be fun to know you took someone's life as the executioner. Whereas the state could have the convict serve life in jail. The state is choosing to take the extra step to execute.

And I am for the death penalty, I just do not agree with Texas saying its okay for one person to die and not another. If Texas had no limitations on abortion and used the death penalty that to me makes more sense than the current.

[Gelston]

You misunderstood what my choices of consequence were. My choices of consequence are the ending of the life (the baby or the convict). I would imagine even if the law tells you it is okay it can't be fun to know you took someone's life as the executioner. Whereas the state could have the convict serve life in jail. The state is choosing to take the extra step to execute.

And I am for the death penalty, I just do not agree with Texas saying its okay for one person to die and not another. If Texas had no limitations on abortion and used the death penalty that to me makes more sense than the current.

No, because you think those people are equal. They are not. I mean, sounds like you'd be all for people being put to death for going 5 over the speed limit with the argument you're making.

[Orthin]

No, because you think those people are equal. They are not. I mean, sounds like you'd be all for people being put to death for going 5 over the speed limit with the argument you're making.

It sounds like we are both not making head way with each other so I will bow out for now. But I appreciate the dialogue, you usually have good conversation points, it is appreciated =)

[Methais]

You misunderstood what my choices of consequence were. My choices of consequence are the ending of the life (the baby or the convict). I would imagine even if the law tells you it is okay it can't be fun to know you took someone's life as the executioner. Whereas the state could have the convict serve life in jail. The state is choosing to take the extra step to execute.

And I am for the death penalty, I just do not agree with Texas saying its okay for one person to die and not another. If Texas had no limitations on abortion and used the death penalty that to me makes more sense than the current.

They should just make abortion mandatory for leftists imo.

[Parkbandit]

You misunderstood what my choices of consequence were. My choices of consequence are the ending of the life (the baby or the convict). I would imagine even if the law tells you it is okay it can't be fun to know you took someone's life as the executioner. Whereas the state could have the convict serve life in jail. The state is choosing to take the extra step to execute.

And I am for the death penalty, I just do not agree with Texas saying its okay for one person to die and not another. If Texas had no limitations on abortion and used the death penalty that to me makes more sense than the current.

The difference is innocent vs. guilty.

What is an unborn fetus guilty of? Nothing.

[Tgo01]

Your non-sequitur has no place in an abortion debate. It's politicians through scientific data, but that is also irrelevant to the discussion as in the Untied States, all laws are derived from the Constitution. Forcing a woman who conceived and is unable or unwilling to bear a pregnancy to term wants an abortion, there is no constitutional basis for stopping it.

“Your analogy doesn’t work because it completely destroys my argument!”

Also which scientific data says life only begins when the life form in question is viable? Can you link to said data? Thanks!

[Neveragain]

“Your analogy doesn’t work because it completely destroys my argument!”

Also which scientific data says life only begins when the life form in question is viable? Can you link to said data? Thanks!

Wait until we find a microbe on Europa.

[Tgo01]

Wait until we find a microbe on Europa.

Apparently scientists wouldn't consider it life until they can determine if it's viable, whatever the hell "viable" even means in this context.

[Methais]

Apparently scientists wouldn't consider it life until they can determine if it's viable, whatever the hell "viable" even means in this context.

Scientists according to Serandroidpk: "There is no life on Europa, but we did find these clumps of cells."

[Tgo01]

Democrats and media a little over a month ago: DeSantis is personally murdering people! He needs to shut down Florida immediately and mandate masks like California is!!!!1111
Democrats and media today now that cases in Florida are down about 85% since then and has fewer daily cases than California and much fewer deaths:

Amazing how that works each and every fucking time.

[Gelston]

Apparently scientists wouldn't consider it life until they can determine if it's viable, whatever the hell "viable" even means in this context.

they aren't human, who gives a fuck.

[Tgo01]

they aren't human, who gives a fuck.

I think the scientists might.

[drauz]

I bet you'd change your tune really quick if fetuses were allowed to vote.

I bet Republicans would too, lol.

[Neveragain]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTwedcnwm6A

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[Methais]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTwedcnwm6A

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/DeafeningSolidHypsilophodon-size_restricted.gif

Seran watching that clip like

https://c.tenor.com/P5_hF2KzfqEAAAAC/uhhuh-clap.gif

[Shaps]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qg8ViDPpNdw

https://doctorsandscientistsdeclaration.org/

https://amgreatness.com/2021/09/24/over-3000-doctors-and-scientists-sign-declaration-accusing-covid-policy-makers-of-crimes-against-humanity/

People that take issue, take issue with Government mandates... not science... wonder why you never see such information made available? Wonder why "Big Tech" is cutting down on "misinformation" and banning all "undesirable content"? Ever wonder why certain therapeutics get approved, disapproved, allowed, not allowed, or reduced shipments to necessary areas?


I'll give an alternative view of the main guy, Malone, to be fair on the issue... though if a conglomerate of Scientists and Doctors from around the world are signing up as the documents states... ?

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/08/robert-malone-vaccine-inventor-vaccine-skeptic/619734/

"The Vaccine Scientist Spreading Vaccine Misinformation"

I'll also list who pays for such articles...

"The Atlantic’s COVID-19 coverage is supported by grants from the Chan Zuckerberg Initiative and the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation."

Notice the Chan Zuckerberg Initiative? Can you guess who's that is? And can you guess which massive multi-media platform just stated they're going to ensure no "misinformation" is spread on it?


I'm not claiming to know one way or the other... I'm presenting information... but, this is chess, not checkers folks.


Note: Again, do what is best for you with regards to vaccines and the guidance of your physician. Be cognizant of your surroundings. Be respectful of others.

Government mandates, restrictions, and the taking of peoples liberties are the core issue.. as they use this situation to expand their powers while people are operating from a position of fear... it is not about being "anti-vax".

I never thought it would be controversial to advocate for a person to make their own personal health choices, informed decisions based upon their situation, with guidance from their personal physician... but here we are in fucking bizarro world where all the Politicians and Big Tech are telling people that they're crazy for thinking such a thing should be possible. The manipulation of dumb people, through fear tactics, is a truly remarkable thing to watch happen in real time.

[Seran]

I'm not claiming to know one way or the other... I'm presenting information... but, this is chess, not checkers folks.

Your anti vaxxer hype seems to come with this disclaimer more often than not, as if you disavower any correlation between being an anti science schill by disclaiming no objectivity. It's ridiculous.

If you want to play devils advocate, you'd be positing both sides of an argument with facts supporting either. But this isn't what you're doing, you're offering unsupported opinions disclaiming scientific analysis by making others think there's owner bias.

Further, to make the irrational argument that there's some big tech or big government conspiracy about personal health choices is reprehensible. The unvaccinated getting sick and spreading covid-19 is the problem, and choosing to infect others is a personal health choice to put others at risk.

You're an anti vaxxer, in and out.

[Neveragain]

Your anti vaxxer hype seems to come with this disclaimer more often than not, as if you disavower any correlation between being an anti science schill by disclaiming no objectivity. It's ridiculous.

If you want to play devils advocate, you'd be positing both sides of an argument with facts supporting either. But this isn't what you're doing, you're offering unsupported opinions disclaiming scientific analysis by making others think there's owner bias.

Further, to make the irrational argument that there's some big tech or big government conspiracy about personal health choices is reprehensible. The unvaccinated getting sick and spreading covid-19 is the problem, and choosing to infect others is a personal health choice to put others at risk.

You're an anti vaxxer, in and out.

Will the unemployed unvaccinated be eligible for rent / food assistance?

Will the unvaccinated be allowed to go to the grocery store?

[Seran]

Will the unemployed unvaccinated be eligible for rent / food assistance?

Will the unvaccinated be allowed to go to the grocery store?

There's no vaccination requirement for public assistance and I don't see the government curtailing freedom of movement for basic needs. Both would likely be considered unconstitutional by 99% of the country, to which I'd agree.

[Neveragain]

There's no vaccination requirement for public assistance and I don't see the government curtailing freedom of movement for basic needs. Both would likely be considered unconstitutional by 99% of the country, to which I'd agree.

Would you consider education a basic need?

[Methais]

Your anti vaxxer hype seems to come with this disclaimer more often than not, as if you disavower any correlation between being an anti science schill by disclaiming no objectivity. It's ridiculous.

If you want to play devils advocate, you'd be positing both sides of an argument with facts supporting either. But this isn't what you're doing, you're offering unsupported opinions disclaiming scientific analysis by making others think there's owner bias.

Further, to make the irrational argument that there's some big tech or big government conspiracy about personal health choices is reprehensible. The unvaccinated getting sick and spreading covid-19 is the problem, and choosing to infect others is a personal health choice to put others at risk.

You're an anti vaxxer, in and out.

When you call people anti vaxxers, are you referring to vaccinations in general? Or just this covid vaccine in particular, the one that the government wants everyone to take sooooooooooooo bad that they're threatening peoples' livelihoods over it despite covid's 99% survival rate?

Asking for Androidpk.

[Seran]

Would you consider education a basic need?

I consider it a privilege afforded to those living in our country, but not a basic need such as housing, medical care or sustenance. Moreover, education isn't being curtailed, sick children and the kids of antivaxxers who aren't masking up are being afforded distance learning opportunities. Such a great country we live in.

[Seran]

When you call people anti vaxxers, are you referring to vaccinations in general? Or just this covid vaccine in particular, the one that the government wants everyone to take sooooooooooooo bad that they're threatening peoples' livelihoods over it despite covid's 99% survival rate?

Asking for Androidpk.

Either or both, that's subjective to the discussion topic. Antivaxxers are those who employ incorrect data or science in bad faith to discourage others from getting vaccinated. Often hypocritically after getting vaccinated themselves.

[Neveragain]

I consider it a privilege afforded to those living in our country, but not a basic need such as housing, medical care or sustenance. Moreover, education isn't being curtailed, sick children and the kids of antivaxxers who aren't masking up are being afforded distance learning opportunities. Such a great country we live in.

I look forward to you moving the goalpost 3 months from now.

[Methais]

Either or both, that's subjective to the discussion topic. Antivaxxers are those who employ incorrect data or science in bad faith to discourage others from getting vaccinated. Often hypocritically after getting vaccinated themselves.

https://c.tenor.com/B4zUnaDG0e8AAAAC/2stupid-dogs-big-dog.gif

So what would you call people who employ incorrect data or science in bad faith in an attempt to force others to get vaccinated?

[Parkbandit]

Why are people, who have already been vaccinated against Covid-19, so upset and worried about people who have not been?

If the vaccine is so effective, then what are you hand wringing so hard for?

Worry about yourself.

[Neveragain]

Why are people, who have already been vaccinated against Covid-19, so upset and worried about people who have not been?

If the vaccine is so effective, then what are you hand wringing so hard for?

Worry about yourself.

Because they know the vaccine doesn't work as expected.

[Tgo01]

I don't see the government curtailing freedom of movement for basic needs.

You really just said that after Biden and other Democrats have mandated vaccines for workers and school children. You’re such a mess.

[Methais]

Because they know the vaccine doesn't work as expected.

But they have to double down on it anyway because orange man bad, however that adds up.

[Seran]

https://c.tenor.com/B4zUnaDG0e8AAAAC/2stupid-dogs-big-dog.gif

So what would you call people who employ incorrect data or science in bad faith in an attempt to force others to get vaccinated?

Liars. Which is what I call those who openly criticize proven, peer reviewed science for the sake of their anti science agenda.

[Seran]

Why are people, who have already been vaccinated against Covid-19, so upset and worried about people who have not been?

If the vaccine is so effective, then what are you hand wringing so hard for?

Worry about yourself.

Because vaccinated folks can get ill, Covid-19 continues to mutate due to huge numbers of unvaccinated and because some of us would like to go to the doctor or hospital without waiting months because of all the science deniers.

[Seran]

You really just said that after Biden and other Democrats have mandated vaccines for workers and school children. You’re such a mess.

That's not the same thing and you know it mr tin foil cap

[Tgo01]

That's not the same thing and you know it mr tin foil cap

Education isn’t a basic need in a free and democratic society? Being able to work to buy basic needs such as healthcare and food isn’t a basic need? You are such a fucking joke.

[Seran]

Education isn’t a basic need in a free and democratic society? Being able to work to buy basic needs such as healthcare and food isn’t a basic need? You are such a fucking joke.

Education isn't being denied, children can wear a mask and attend in person or they can appear remotely. Check.

Employment isn't being denied, folks may get vaccinated or they may get tested weekly to comply with the mandate. Again it's down to the personal choice of the anti vaxxer. Check mate.

[Neveragain]

Liars. Which is what I call those who openly criticize proven, peer reviewed science for the sake of their anti science agenda.

Tell us more about the "fallow fields" conspiracy theory.

[Tgo01]

Education isn't being denied, children can wear a mask and attend in person or they can appear remotely. Check.

Employment isn't being denied, folks may get vaccinated or they may get tested weekly to comply with the mandate. Again it's down to the personal choice of the anti vaxxer. Check mate

I love how dumb people like you are.

So people have a choice between this mandate….OR this other mandate. But it’s not a mandate!

[Tgo01]

Also schools are actually giving the choice of wearing masks or getting vaccinated? Have a source on this?

[Parkbandit]

Because vaccinated folks can get ill, Covid-19 continues to mutate due to huge numbers of unvaccinated and because some of us would like to go to the doctor or hospital without waiting months because of all the science deniers.

So... you can get ill whether or not you get the vaccine.. but it only mutates because of the unvaccinated?

And you call people who didn't get the vaccine "science deniers".... lolol...

[Seran]

I love how dumb people like you are.

So people have a choice between this mandate….OR this other mandate. But it’s not a mandate!

There's no mandate saying people have to stay in their jobs. If getting a vaccine or getting tested is too burdensome for you science deniers, then people can quit and go work for a small business. Problem solved

[Tgo01]

There's no mandate saying people have to stay in their jobs. If getting a vaccine or getting tested is too burdensome for you science deniers, then people can quit and go work for a small business. Problem solved

Seran was born about 80 years too late. He would have loved living in Nazi Germany.