Wuhan Virus

[Parkbandit]

How is a fact sensationalization? I know 2 close friends who are in similar dire straits. One of them is living in my basement (and still can’t get his own place even working 80 hour weeks.) You’re extremely fortunate but you have some delusional belief that, “well as long I’m OK, someone else’s circumstances around me won’t affect me.”

https://i.giphy.com/media/2Uj78rAEWCob6/giphy.gif

I thought you lived in SF?

80 hours a week, making minimum $15 / hr is $62K a year.

That's about 5K a month. I found a number of apartments for rent there for 2K a month, leaving 3K for expenses.

If your "friend" can't afford to move into his own place.. he's doing something wrong.

[Parkbandit]

I would say that's a little fatalistic. To the families who are suddenly without paychecks or who are sick with no healthcare or sick leave, it's a huge difference. Likewise for local businesses that are struggling to stay open.

If only we had universal healthcare and mandatory sick leave... Those things half this country have been fighting *against* all these years.

Welcome back time4fun! I knew you wouldn't be able to stay away for very long.

If we don't hear from Backlash soon, I'll have no choice but to give you your title back.

[Alashir]

I thought you lived in SF?

80 hours a week, making minimum $15 / hr is $62K a year.

That's about 5K a month. I found a number of apartments for rent there for 2K a month, leaving 3K for expenses.

If your "friend" can't afford to move into his own place.. he's doing something wrong.

I'm a hospice RN who makes just about 62k exactly (salary). After nearly 35% in taxes my average take home is close to 3600/month. 100k in loans, rent, utilities, groceries, etc, doesn't leave much left over

[Archigeek]

I would say that's a little fatalistic. To the families who are suddenly without paychecks or who are sick with no healthcare or sick leave, it's a huge difference. Likewise for local businesses that are struggling to stay open.

If only we had universal healthcare and mandatory sick leave... Those things half this country have been fighting *against* all these years.

How is lowering the interest rate helpful to someone who just lost their job, or lacks health insurance? Banks won't exactly be lining up to loan that person money. My point is that it doesn't work to try to stimulate the economy while at the same time telling everyone to stay home. The latter is looking more and more necessary to stop the spread of Covid19, which means the economy is going to tank regardless of interest rate reduction, quantitative easing, or bond buying. The time for that is later, and removing that arrow from the sling now means it will be less useful later.

There are plenty of helpful things the government can do now, lowering interest rates is a strategically poor choice.

[Gelston]

I'm a hospice RN who makes just about 62k exactly (salary). After nearly 35% in taxes my average take home is close to 3600/month. 100k in loans, rent, utilities, groceries, etc, doesn't leave much left over

15 and time and a half for overtime at 80 hours a week is about 62k a year after taxes. It is 78k prior.

[Voldemort]

15 and time and a half for overtime at 80 hours a week is about 62k a year after taxes. It is 78k prior.

God I love lifetime government workers; never quite moved out of their parents just exchanged them for another set. Try to live life without sucking on Mama Marines’ tits kid.

[Tgo01]

God I love lifetime government workers; never quite moved out of their parents just exchanged them for another set. Try to live life without sucking on Mama Marines’ tits kid.

Isn't your friend the one living in your basement working 80 hours a week and still won't find their own place?

[Archigeek]

15 and time and a half for overtime at 80 hours a week is about 62k a year after taxes. It is 78k prior.

15x80x52=62,400. No vacation for you!

Almost no one gets time and a half.

[Gelston]

15x80x52=62,400. No vacation for you!

Almost no one gets time and a half.

Your math is bad. It is 15 x 40, then 22.5 x 40. You get time and a half after 40.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I'm a hospice RN who makes just about 62k exactly (salary). After nearly 35% in taxes my average take home is close to 3600/month. 100k in loans, rent, utilities, groceries, etc, doesn't leave much left over

You do not pay 35% in taxes, guaranteed.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Like China? Works great!

Italy has universal healthcare. Seems to be working great over there too!

[Neveragain]

There are plenty of helpful things the government can do now, lowering interest rates is a strategically poor choice.

If this virus in any way acts like the spread of the Spanish flu, we're a year out from this being over.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9a/1918_spanish_flu_waves.gif/330px-1918_spanish_flu_waves.gif

DOW is down about 10% right now, that's after this idiotic rate decrease that added more uncertainty to the equation.

It will be interesting to see where the Michael Bloomberg "philanthropist's" will be in the height of this crisis. Hiding in their bunkers or actually putting their 10's of billions to a humanitary use?

[Tgo01]

It will be interesting to see where the Michael Bloomberg "philanthropist's" will be in the height of this crisis. Hiding in their bunkers or actually putting their 10's of billions to a humanitary use?

Well he could give every American 1 million dollars in cash so they won't have to worry about losing a few paychecks.

[Neveragain]

Well he could give every American 1 million dollars in cash so they won't have to worry about losing a few paychecks.

I agree, it's kind of like the 900,000 hospital beds that we can distribute among the 340,000,000 citizens, kind of math.

[Tgo01]

I just want to know when does this virus finally explode in numbers like we've been hearing about for months?

China has known about the Wuhan Virus for over 4 months now, the rest of the world over 2 months, and if we don't include the top 5 most infected countries there are only 37,000 cases worldwide, only 95k cases outside of China.

Seems like Italy, Iran, and now the rest of Europe are fucked because they didn't close travel to China sooner, but if this virus is as infectious as they are saying shouldn't half the world population have it already?

[time4fun]

The problem Italy and China faces was insufficient infrastructure. If they didn't have universal health care, then they would have had that additional problem on top of it.

It's *really* hard to treat an illness when 10-30% of the people who have it can't afford to seek treatment or testing either because they're uninsured or they don't have adequate paid sick leave. It's also *really* hard to stave off a recession when a third of your workforce is no longer receiving paychecks due to illness or the consequences of enforced social distancing.

But sure, let's go with the line that universal healthcare and paid sick leave wouldn't do anything helpful in a situation involving a pandemic.

[Tgo01]

The problem Italy and China faces was insufficient infrastructure. If they didn't have universal health care, then they would have had that additional problem on top of it.

This is hilarious.

"We need universal healthcare to save lives!!!"

But China and Italy have universal healthcare and they are faring the worst.

"Yeah but that has nothing to do with universal healthcare, if they didn't have universal healthcare even more people would be dead!"

On a similar note, it's funny/scary watching people attack ACTUAL EXPERTS on Twitter because they aren't falling for the rumors of widespread death and destruction rolling out across the US. Some healthcare professionals are afraid to speak up against the rumors for fear of the retribution.

You either get in line and repeat this is the end of the world or you shut the fuck up right now!!!

https://twitter.com/CT_Bergstrom/status/1239348331186249728?s=20

[Gelston]

I like how there is always some dumbass excusing or reasoning when people point out a failure with universal health care. STFU already and go back to your cave.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

The problem Italy and China faces was insufficient infrastructure. If they didn't have universal health care, then they would have had that additional problem on top of it.

It's *really* hard to treat an illness when 10-30% of the people who have it can't afford to seek treatment or testing either because they're uninsured or they don't have adequate paid sick leave. It's also *really* hard to stave off a recession when a third of your workforce is no longer receiving paychecks due to illness or the consequences of enforced social distancing.

But sure, let's go with the line that universal healthcare and paid sick leave wouldn't do anything helpful in a situation involving a pandemic.

Did they just not do socialism properly?

[Parkbandit]

The problem Italy and China faces was insufficient infrastructure. If they didn't have universal health care, then they would have had that additional problem on top of it.

It's *really* hard to treat an illness when 10-30% of the people who have it can't afford to seek treatment or testing either because they're uninsured or they don't have adequate paid sick leave. It's also *really* hard to stave off a recession when a third of your workforce is no longer receiving paychecks due to illness or the consequences of enforced social distancing.

But sure, let's go with the line that universal healthcare and paid sick leave wouldn't do anything helpful in a situation involving a pandemic.

LOL.. so, you believe that universal healthcare will work.. but only with sufficient infrastructure?

What's next... they also have to be carbon neutral and have a socialist economy?

Keep moving those goalposts...

SPOILER: Universal Healthcare won't help. :(

[Alfster]

Italy had the second highest rated overall healthcare in the world. It's the sheer volume of patients at once that led to their problems. We're in a much worse position if it is all over the US. We don't know for sure because you can't get tested, at least in my county.

[Tgo01]

Italy had the second highest rated overall healthcare in the world.

Which just proves that those ratings are always highly biased and pushing a narrative. The US always ranks low on these ratings and European countries always rank high. Strange how that works.

Italy is now thinking about implementing (or has already implemented) a change in how they decide who gets care first: not the sickest or those in most need of medical care, but the youngest will get priority.

Second highest rated healthcare in the world my ass.

[Gelston]

The WHO is now saying Europe is the epicenter for COVID-19. Such a win for universal healthcare, right t4f?

[Gelston]

Italy had the second highest rated overall healthcare in the world. It's the sheer volume of patients at once that led to their problems. We're in a much worse position if it is all over the US. We don't know for sure because you can't get tested, at least in my county.

Meanwhile in the US, we have a company already going to human testing on a vaccine for COVID-19. I love capitalism.

https://www.biospace.com/article/moderna-s-covid-19-vaccine-clinical-trial-starts-today/

[Archigeek]

Your math is bad. It is 15 x 40, then 22.5 x 40. You get time and a half after 40.

Not if you're working 2 or more jobs to get 80 hours. Almost no one is paying time and a half, at least not in the private sector. And even if they were, their success as a company would be pretty short lived if they had to pay 40 hours a week at time and a half. Why? Because a competitor would go up against them without the added cost and take their business.

[Gelston]

Not if you're working 2 or more jobs to get 80 hours. Almost no one is paying time and a half, at least not in the private sector. And even if they were, their success as a company would be pretty short lived if they had to pay 40 hours a week at time and a half. Why? Because a competitor would go up against them without the added cost and take their business.

I easily had time and a half when I wanted it and could easily get 80+ hours again if I wanted. I don't know where this "almost nobody" shit is. Look in the security guard industry. You can have all the hours you ever wanted. It was a easy AF job too, I sat around and watched movies all day and then walked around every hour.

[Methais]

God I love lifetime government workers; never quite moved out of their parents just exchanged them for another set. Try to live life without sucking on Mama Marines’ tits kid.

How many dicks have you sucked this morning though?

[Archigeek]

I just want to know when does this virus finally explode in numbers like we've been hearing about for months?

China has known about the Wuhan Virus for over 4 months now, the rest of the world over 2 months, and if we don't include the top 5 most infected countries there are only 37,000 cases worldwide, only 95k cases outside of China.

Seems like Italy, Iran, and now the rest of Europe are fucked because they didn't close travel to China sooner, but if this virus is as infectious as they are saying shouldn't half the world population have it already?

The outbreak wasn't identified as a Corona virus until January 7th, after December cases of pneumonia from an unknown cause. That's a little over 2 months for China. They didn't have their first death till January 11th. A month later they're over 800 deaths.

In the US, we had our first case January 21st, and by March 8th, we were over 500 cases, and a week later we topped 3000. What sort of explosion in cases were you expecting? If we had more tests available we'd probably also have more reported cases.

I think the only state that hasn't yet reported cases is Idaho!

[Gelston]

The outbreak wasn't identified as a Corona virus until January 7th, after December cases of pneumonia from an unknown cause. That's a little over 2 months for China. They didn't have their first death till January 11th. A month later they're over 800 deaths.

In the US, we had our first case January 21st, and by March 8th, we were over 500 cases, and a week later we topped 3000. What sort of explosion in cases were you expecting? If we had more tests available we'd probably also have more reported cases.

I think the only state that hasn't yet reported cases is Idaho!

West Virginia and Alaska don't. Everyone else does.

[Gelston]

God I love lifetime government workers; never quite moved out of their parents just exchanged them for another set. Try to live life without sucking on Mama Marines’ tits kid.

That wasn't for the Government, retard. They don't pay by the hour anyways and the Marine Corps damn sure never paid OT.

[Tgo01]

In the US, we had our first case January 21st, and by March 8th, we were over 500 cases, and a week later we topped 3000. What sort of explosion in cases were you expecting? If we had more tests available we'd probably also have more reported cases.

500 to 3000 cases in a week isn't very much considering many of those cases came from Europe or from infected people we were bringing back from other countries or from cruise ships.

For a virus that is supposedly as contagious as people are saying it is I was expecting more.

Also if there are lots of people out there with the virus but just haven't been tested yet then this virus is looking more and more like the flu in terms of severity. So far almost every death in the US can be traced to the same outbreak at a nursing home in Washington state.

[Gelston]

500 to 3000 cases in a week isn't very much considering many of those cases came from Europe or from infected people we were bringing back from other countries or from cruise ships.

For a virus that is supposedly as contagious as people are saying it is I was expecting more.

Also if there are lots of people out there with the virus but just haven't been tested yet then this virus is looking more and more like the flu in terms of severity. So far almost every death in the US can be traced to the same outbreak at a nursing home in Washington state.

We likely have a lot more than that. As more test kits go out, even discounting it spreading, the numbers will assuredly go up.

[Tgo01]

We likely have a lot more than that. As more test kits go out, even discounting it spreading, the numbers will assuredly go up.

Yeah this is what I have been saying for a while now, there are probably a lot of cases out there already that haven't been tested yet, some of which probably never will be tested because the person isn't showing any symptoms so doesn't think they are infected, meaning the current fatality rate from the Wuhan Virus, at least in the US, is probably pretty small, certainly much smaller than the official numbers are telling us now.

[Methais]

The problem Italy and China faces was insufficient infrastructure. If they didn't have universal health care, then they would have had that additional problem on top of it.

It's *really* hard to treat an illness when 10-30% of the people who have it can't afford to seek treatment or testing either because they're uninsured or they don't have adequate paid sick leave. It's also *really* hard to stave off a recession when a third of your workforce is no longer receiving paychecks due to illness or the consequences of enforced social distancing.

But sure, let's go with the line that universal healthcare and paid sick leave wouldn't do anything helpful in a situation involving a pandemic.

Don't you ever get tired of being massively retarded?

[Archigeek]

500 to 3000 cases in a week isn't very much considering many of those cases came from Europe or from infected people we were bringing back from other countries or from cruise ships.

For a virus that is supposedly as contagious as people are saying it is I was expecting more.

Also if there are lots of people out there with the virus but just haven't been tested yet then this virus is looking more and more like the flu in terms of severity. So far almost every death in the US can be traced to the same outbreak at a nursing home in Washington state.

At that rate of spread, we're over 100,000 cases in another 2 weeks.

I think the best thing we can hope for is that this virus continues to mutate and become less deadly as it does.

[Tgo01]

At that rate of spread, we're over 100,000 cases in another 2 weeks.

It won't be. It's been almost 2 weeks since Italy had 3000 cases and their total is currently at 23k cases, and they are currently the epicenter of this outbreak, most of the US cases up until this point have been people coming FROM Italy and the rest of Europe or China, or from cruise ships and shit.

But then again that could change since apparently Canada isn't restricting travel from China OR Europe so these perfectly healthy visitors might find their way into the US.

[Tgo01]

Gotta love the fake news.

https://twitter.com/juliebosman/status/1239598527803768833?s=20

"Wow.

“Respirators, ventilators, all of the equipment — try getting it yourselves,” Mr. Trump told the governors during the conference call. via @jmartNYT"

That's horrible!

Oh wait.

The tweet from this so called journalist failed to put Trump's quote into context, which at least the NYT story itself did, but of course spun it to make Trump look as bad as possible:


“Respirators, ventilators, all of the equipment — try getting it yourselves,” Mr. Trump told the governors during the conference call, a recording of which was shared with The New York Times.

“We will be backing you, but try getting it yourselves. Point of sales, much better, much more direct if you can get it yourself.”

What exactly is wrong with the federal government saying if you can get these items yourself to go ahead and do so and not wait around for the federal government to supply them and the federal government will be backing them?

Why do we even have a local and state government if in a time of crisis all they are going to do is wait around for the federal government to fix everything?

Trump is right once again, the fake news IS the enemy of the people.

[Methais]

The WHO is now saying Europe is the epicenter for COVID-19. Such a win for universal healthcare, right t4f?

BUT MUH FREE STUFF

[Methais]

Not if you're working 2 or more jobs to get 80 hours. Almost no one is paying time and a half, at least not in the private sector. And even if they were, their success as a company would be pretty short lived if they had to pay 40 hours a week at time and a half. Why? Because a competitor would go up against them without the added cost and take their business.

Didn't they say they were a nurse? 80 hours a week for a nurse isn't exactly unheard of.

They also said it's salary. Pretty sure that's not 2 salary jobs.

[Archigeek]

All states but West Virginia now reporting cases.

[Tgo01]

Oh gee, yet another lie pushed by the Democrats and their media lapdogs that of course none of which will now acknowledge and apologize for? Imagine my shock!

CDC denies Democrats' claim Trump slashed funding to anti-pandemic programs (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/cdc-denies-democrats-claim-trump-slashed-funding-to-anti-pandemic-programs)

[Tgo01]

MORE fake news from the fake news industry? Say it ain't so, Joe!

No, the White House didn’t ‘dissolve’ its pandemic response office. I was there. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/03/16/no-white-house-didnt-dissolve-its-pandemic-response-office/)

At this point actual criminal charges should be considered against the media. It's bad enough they are causing this panic to hurt Trump, but to actually lie and tell people the US government is less prepared than it could have been because Trump is president to create even more of a panic is downright criminal.

[Gelston]

MORE fake news from the fake news industry? Say it ain't so, Joe!

No, the White House didn’t ‘dissolve’ its pandemic response office. I was there. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/03/16/no-white-house-didnt-dissolve-its-pandemic-response-office/)

At this point actual criminal charges should be considered against the media. It's bad enough they are causing this panic to hurt Trump, but to actually lie and tell people the US government is less prepared than it could have been because Trump is president to create even more of a panic is downright criminal.

Criminal charges are able to be pressed if they incite a panic via transmitting false information now that a national emergency has been declared. It wasn't back then.

[Tgo01]

Criminal charges are able to be pressed if they incite a panic via transmitting false information now that a national emergency has been declared. It wasn't back then.

I guess Trump should have listened to the media's whining and declared a national emergency sooner so he could start throwing these assholes in jail.

Darn you, Trump!

Maybe that's why Washington Post allowed this opinion piece to go through, they were one of the loudest ones screaming "Trump dissolved the pandemic response office!!!" I guess they are wanting to avoid jail time now.

[Gelston]

I guess Trump should have listened to the media's whining and declared a national emergency sooner so he could start throwing these assholes in jail.

Darn you, Trump!

Maybe that's why Washington Post allowed this opinion piece to go through, they were one of the loudest ones screaming "Trump dissolved the pandemic response office!!!" I guess they are wanting to avoid jail time now.

I don't read Washington Post because they want me to pay for subscriptions.

[Tgo01]

Gotta love the fake news.

https://twitter.com/juliebosman/status/1239598527803768833?s=20

"Wow.

“Respirators, ventilators, all of the equipment — try getting it yourselves,” Mr. Trump told the governors during the conference call. via @jmartNYT"

That's horrible!

Oh wait.

The tweet from this so called journalist failed to put Trump's quote into context, which at least the NYT story itself did, but of course spun it to make Trump look as bad as possible:



What exactly is wrong with the federal government saying if you can get these items yourself to go ahead and do so and not wait around for the federal government to supply them and the federal government will be backing them?

Why do we even have a local and state government if in a time of crisis all they are going to do is wait around for the federal government to fix everything?

Trump is right once again, the fake news IS the enemy of the people.

Mara Gay, yet another supposed journalist over at the NYT, Tweeted something similar:

"Trump told governors this morning they are on their own:
“Respirators, ventilators, all of the equipment — try getting it yourselves,” Mr. Trump told the governors during the conference call, a recording of which was shared with The New York Times."

You may remember Mara Gay as the person who thought 500 million / 310 million = 1 million then called you a racist if you pointed out her math error.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I don't read Washington Post because they want me to pay for subscriptions.

Really? Incognito that shit, or as it's loading, press stop and read through it. At least, that works for me sometimes. Doesn't work on NYT though or WSJ.

[Fortybox]

Crap...new outbreak of T4F-100PhDs has hit these boards.

Hold onto your butts!

[Astray]

Crap...new outbreak of T4F-100PhDs has hit these boards.

Hold onto your butts!

Careful, that strain causes male lactation.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

All schools here closed until April 5th. All restaurants closed until April 1st, except for drive throughs and delivery. No public gatherings of more than 10 people.

Shit is getting real here.

[Gelston]

All schools here closed until April 5th. All restaurants closed until April 1st, except for drive throughs and delivery. No public gatherings of more than 10 people.

Shit is getting real here.
All schools, bars, eat in restaurants, movie theaters, casinos, and gatherings over 50 are closed until April 13 here.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

All schools, bars, eat in restaurants, movie theaters, casinos, and gatherings over 50 are closed until April 13 here.

Yeah, theatres and really any public gathering place is closed til April 1st. We were at over 50 this morning, revised to over 10 tonight with the emergency broadcast and direct dial recorded messages.

[Wrathbringer]

This is all bullshit. At risk people should quarantine themselves and let the rest of us live life. "But my parents are old and might die!" If your parents are stupid enough to not quarantine and you're stupid enough to not stay away from them, that's not my fault. People are going to die regardless. Yes, the hospitals are going to be overcrowded. Would you rather them be overwhelmed for 5 months or one month? Let this run its course and be done with it rather than bankrupt our government with unemployment checks. Everyone in the restaurant industry is supposed to call about unemployment? Good luck with that. Might be weeks before you get through. People are going to lose their homes over a fever and cough. Ridiculous.

[~Rocktar~]

Yeah, we used to live with Polio, Small Pox, Scarlet fever and all kinds of other much more deadly diseases. People went out, ate food, went to movies, sporting events, parties and so on. People used gloves, handkerchiefs and such.

[Neveragain]

This is all bullshit. At risk people should quarantine themselves and let the rest of us live life. "But my parents are old and might die!" If your parents are stupid enough to not quarantine and you're stupid enough to not stay away from them, that's not my fault. People are going to die regardless. Yes, the hospitals are going to be overcrowded. Would you rather them be overwhelmed for 5 months or one month? Let this run its course and be done with it rather than bankrupt our government with unemployment checks. Everyone in the restaurant industry is supposed to call about unemployment? Good luck with that. Might be weeks before you get through. People are going to lose their homes over a fever and cough. Ridiculous.

https://media3.giphy.com/media/R51a8oAH7KwbS/giphy.gif

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

What a couple of selfish uninformed faggots.

[Neveragain]

I think we should go back to not bathing. Think of all the money we could save on soap and water.

[Archigeek]

Yeah, we used to live with Polio, Small Pox, Scarlet fever and all kinds of other much more deadly diseases. People went out, ate food, went to movies, sporting events, parties and so on. People used gloves, handkerchiefs and gloves.

Apparently, according to Rocktar, wearing 2 pairs of gloves is the solution to polio and small pox. Should work for Covid19 too!

Brilliant people worked tirelessly to end those diseases. That's what we did.

[RichardCranium]

All schools, bars, eat in restaurants, movie theaters, casinos, and gatherings over 50 are closed until April 13 here.

1st confirmed case in a plant in Louisiana happens to be the one I started in yesterday. Thankfully I'm 3rd party and located across the street in their brand new warehouse so I'm still working for the moment.

[Tgo01]

The Democrats are pushing forward with their bill to restrict the president's authority to implement travel from certain countries. Archigeek, you apparently favor this complete shut down in order to slow the spread of the Wuhan Virus, can you explain to me why your party wants open borders in a time like this?

[~Rocktar~]

Apparently, according to Rocktar, wearing 2 pairs of gloves is the solution to polio and small pox. Should work for Covid19 too!

Brilliant people worked tirelessly to end those diseases. That's what we did.

It was late, I was tired and I didn't proof read. Unlike you who is just a whiny bitch with nothing left but personal attacks. This is a media driven crisis because they hate the current administration. We have faced diseases before that were a lot more deadly without shutting down the world because whiny pussies like yourself are too afraid that they might get a nasty virus and all those who should self separate are too selfish to do so without forcing everyone else to experience their trouble too.

The real reason that this is being done by the media is to sway an election, enable the ushering in of Socialism and to enable wide spread trampling of people's rights.

Only good side is that the US will adapt and recover quickly and people are waking up to the idea that globalism and letting China make everything is a bad idea.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

The real reason that this is being done by the media is to sway an election, enable the ushering in of Socialism and to enable wide spread trampling of people's rights.

So, the rest of the world and world media is in on the scam? Your conspiracy theory is showing.

[Neveragain]

We have faced diseases before that were a lot more deadly without shutting down the world because whiny pussies like yourself are too afraid that they might get a nasty virus and all those who should self separate are too selfish to do so without forcing everyone else to experience their trouble too.


The Spanish flu infected 500 million people around the world, or about 27% of the world population of between 1.8 and 1.9 billion. The death toll is estimated to have been anywhere from 17 million to 50 million, and possibly as high as 100 million, making it one of the deadliest epidemics in human history.

When not "shutting down the world" could lead to 70 - 400 million deaths, sign me up as a pussy.

[Alfster]

So, the rest of the world and world media is in on the scam? Your conspiracy theory is showing.

And all the stories out of Italy of doctors having to make terrible decisions is blown out of proportion just to....get Trump. Got it.

[ClydeR]

If you're stuck at home, you should read The Murmur of Bees. It's about a boy found abandoned and raised by a caring family in northern Mexico in the early 1900s around the time of the Spanish Flu and the Mexican Revolution. He has a facial deformity and he can talk to bees. A section of the book is devoted to the Spanish Flu in Mexico, which is relevant today. You will thank me for recommending it.

[ClydeR]

This article is getting a lot of attention..

https://medium.com/@Jason_Scott_Warner/the-sober-math-everyone-must-understand-about-the-pandemic-2b0145881993

It says what you already know.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

This article is getting a lot of attention..

https://medium.com/@Jason_Scott_Warner/the-sober-math-everyone-must-understand-about-the-pandemic-2b0145881993

It says what you already know.

The guy sounds arrogant, entitled, rich and reads like an asshole. His message is lost on me.

[ClydeR]

The guy sounds arrogant, entitled, rich and reads like an asshole. His message is lost on me.


I won't argue with you about his tone.

[Tgo01]

This article is getting a lot of attention..

https://medium.com/@Jason_Scott_Warner/the-sober-math-everyone-must-understand-about-the-pandemic-2b0145881993

It says what you already know.


Evergreen hospital in Seattle is already in triage. I have heard credible reports from people on the ground that they are already becoming overwhelmed. And the bomb won’t really go off for a few more days. Probably by Wednesday, March 18th (next week). In just a few days from now we will hear grave reports from Seattle hospitals.

So I guess tomorrow we will hear about this sudden "bomb" of cases that will completely overrun Evergreen hospital in Seattle where they will have no choice but to let people die in hallways and on the streets, oh yeah not to mention that "a few days" has already passed since he wrote up this alarmist piece so where are all of the "grave reports" from other Seattle hospitals?

The media pushing this narrative are simply disgusting and they should all be thrown in jail.

"Stay home now or you will personally be responsible for 10 people dying and dozens more getting sick!"

Yeah, no narrative being pushed by the media or governments the world over.

[Alfster]

Have you read what's going on with Italian doctors? They have more beds per capita than we do. We're watching our future if we don't take precautions.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Have you read what's going on with Italian doctors? They have more beds per capita than we do. We're watching our future if we don't take precautions.

Are you talking about the 12% of Italian doctors who have tested positive for the virus? If so, yeah, that's pretty fucking grim.

[Tgo01]

Have you read what's going on with Italian doctors? They have more beds per capita than we do. We're watching our future if we don't take precautions.

I've been hearing for almost 2 weeks now that the US is gonna be just as bad as Italy any day now and so far we aren't anywhere near as bad off as they are. The dude I quoted said in "a few days" a week ago and gave tomorrow as the day a specific hospital in Seattle will have to let people die in hallways because they can't handle any new patients and yet I haven't heard anything remotely close to that yet.

At what point do you realize you are being lied to?

Is it when you realize on a per capita basis the US has far more critical care beds than Italy does yet that's not what the media has spoon fed you?

[Alfster]

I've been hearing for almost 2 weeks now that the US is gonna be just as bad as Italy any day now and so far we aren't anywhere near as bad off as they are. The dude I quoted said in "a few days" a week ago and gave tomorrow as the day a specific hospital in Seattle will have to let people die in hallways because they can't handle any new patients and yet I haven't heard anything remotely close to that yet.

At what point do you realize you are being lied to?

Is it when you realize on a per capita basis the US has far more critical care beds than Italy does yet that's not what the media has spoon fed you?

We've been running blind until the last couple of days. We still don't know how widespread it is here. A few days ago you were claiming the cases had already peaked.

[Tgo01]

A few days ago you were claiming the cases had already peaked.

You're still lying about this? I can see why you enjoy being lied to so much, it comes so naturally to you.

I said based on the information we had (at the time) the number of new DAILY cases had peaked.

Why lie so much? You hoping I'm gonna forget what I said or what?

[Seran]

Could just admit you were wrong and move on.

[Tgo01]

Could just admit you were wrong and move on.

The retards really want me to admit to being wrong even though I wasn't.

You guys need any small victory you can cling to don't you?

Can you, Alfster, and Archigeek admit already that Alfster completely misconstrued what I said and now all three of you are pretending he didn't even though the posts are there unedited for you morons to read?

[Tgo01]

China says the US military introduced the Wuhan Virus into China.

The US media and Democrats yawn.

Trump refers to it as "The Chinese Virus" to remind everyone it came from China, NOT the US military.

The US media and Democrats: OMG! This is so RACIST!!!!

To the Democrats out there currently demanding I admit to something I didn't say, can you just answer one question? Is it now a requirement to be a traitor/suck Chinese dick in order to be a Democrat? Like when you go to fill out your voter registration does someone make sure you stomp and spit on the US flag before they allow you to become a Democrat? It's a legit question.

[Alfster]

It's just slightly more dangerous than the flu at the moment. Again why aren't we shutting down schools, large gatherings, and entire sectors of the economy every time flu season rolls around?

Because the media are the ones scaring the shit out of everyone. But the blame doesn't rest solely on their shoulders, they are just following the marching orders handed down by the DNC.

This aged well. Hahah

[ClydeR]

AJC article about strains already affecting hospitals in Georgia..


Some Georgia hospitals are already straining to cope as a surge of people concerned they may have the coronavirus swamp emergency rooms and more beds are filled with suspected cases.

More... (https://www.ajc.com/news/state--regional/preparing-for-surge-hospitals-limit-visitors-reschedule-surgeries/OqnPmLZhmMhwCu5jQ6JoBK/)


The hospital system is well funded and connected for a rural one. But, says CEO Scott Steiner, they’ve run through five months’ worth of supplies in six days. They’re good for another five more days, he thinks.

“We might have thought we were overprepared,” Steiner said, looking back at the system’s years of disaster planning. “But you just can’t believe what we went through from a supply standpoint.”

“This event is unlike anything anyone has ever seen,” Steiner said. “You can throw in SARS and H1N1 and Ebola. There was Hurricane Michael – that was a big deal. But the thing is, Hurricane Michael came and went, and then you kind of pick up the pieces. We’re what, six days into this here. And it doesn’t appear to be slowing. Is it only a matter of time till all others feel the same?”

Volunteers are sewing masks. Factories are donating bleach. Restaurants are donating gowns. And we're only a few days into the pandemic.

[Gelston]

AJC article about strains already affecting hospitals in Georgia..





Volunteers are sewing masks. Factories are donating bleach. Restaurants are donating gowns. And we're only a few days into the pandemic.

go quarantine yourself where no internet is

[Tgo01]

This aged well. Hahah

Nothing in my post has changed.

Good job though ignoring all of the instances of you falling for the lies from the media, lying about what I said yet again, and had to go quote something I said almost a week ago to deflect.

You're a sad, sad little man.

On that note though I can't wait for everything to go back to normal, the Wuhan Virus kills about the same number of Americans as the seasonal flu does or even fewer, and watch as the same media who said Trump wasn't doing enough start patting themselves on the back and taking credit for saving American lives because they forced him to do all of the measures he took or something, even though they were the ones who started the whole "That's so racist!" when he started to restrict travel from countries.

Go ahead and quote me on this if I happen to be wrong in a couple of months, Alfster.

[Gelston]

They are planning to send checks out to every American by early April. Word on the street is it is a grand.

[Tgo01]

AJC article about strains already affecting hospitals in Georgia..





Volunteers are sewing masks. Factories are donating bleach. Restaurants are donating gowns. And we're only a few days into the pandemic.


Part of the problem across the state is that people worried about their symptoms are crowding into emergency rooms seeking testing.

Oh gee, almost as if someone is creating a panic and causing people to flood into the emergency room because they have a runny nose.

I wonder who did that?

[Tgo01]

They are planning to send checks out to every American by early April. Word on the street is it is a grand.

I plan on spending my 1k on Simucoins.

[Gelston]

I plan on spending my 1k on Simucoins.

GS Silver market is about to be a bull market when those checks go out.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

They are planning to send checks out to every American by early April. Word on the street is it is a grand.

Illegals too?

[Gelston]

Illegals too?

“We are looking at sending checks to Americans immediately,” Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin said during a news conference at the White House on Tuesday.

That is all I know.

On Monday Sen. Mitt Romney, R-Utah, proposed giving every adult $1,000 to help meet financial obligations. A group of Senate Democrats, led by Michael Bennet of Colorado, Cory Booker of New Jersey and Sherrod Brown of Ohio, proposed sending as much as $4,500 to each American.

I'm imagining it is going to be the 1k, rather than the 4500.

[Methais]

This is all bullshit. At risk people should quarantine themselves and let the rest of us live life. "But my parents are old and might die!" If your parents are stupid enough to not quarantine and you're stupid enough to not stay away from them, that's not my fault. People are going to die regardless. Yes, the hospitals are going to be overcrowded. Would you rather them be overwhelmed for 5 months or one month? Let this run its course and be done with it rather than bankrupt our government with unemployment checks. Everyone in the restaurant industry is supposed to call about unemployment? Good luck with that. Might be weeks before you get through. People are going to lose their homes over a fever and cough. Ridiculous.

Can you imagine the sharts that these people are going to need 5478434032 rolls of toilet paper for though?

[Tgo01]

“We are looking at sending checks to Americans immediately,” Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin said during a news conference at the White House on Tuesday.

That is all I know.

On Monday Sen. Mitt Romney, R-Utah, proposed giving every adult $1,000 to help meet financial obligations. A group of Senate Democrats, led by Michael Bennet of Colorado, Cory Booker of New Jersey and Sherrod Brown of Ohio, proposed sending as much as $4,500 to each American.

I'm imagining it is going to be the 1k, rather than the 4500.

It's pretty crazy hearing about all of the proposals they are discussing. We are talking about trillions of dollars in either direct checks to Americans, bailouts for companies, low interest loans, and tax payment deferments.

[Tgo01]

It's pretty crazy hearing about all of the proposals they are discussing. We are talking about trillions of dollars in either direct checks to Americans, bailouts for companies, low interest loans, and tax payment deferments.

Also at the press briefing they kept saying "every American" will get a check, but did clarify there were some restrictions, such as they aren't going to be sending checks to millionaires.

But "every American" has me thinking they are going to be sending checks to kids too, obviously not to kids themselves but like their parents. If that's true some meth heads out there are about to be real happy they claim their 9 kids every year.

I do wonder the logistics of this though. They just gonna send a check to the address people had on their tax returns from the previous year?

[Gelston]

Also at the press briefing they kept saying "every American" will get a check, but did clarify there were some restrictions, such as they aren't going to be sending checks to millionaires.

But "every American" has me thinking they are going to be sending checks to kids too, obviously not to kids themselves but like their parents. If that's true some meth heads out there are about to be real happy they claim their 9 kids every year.

I do wonder the logistics of this though. They just gonna send a check to the address people had on their tax returns from the previous year?

I've read US adults in other sources. I doubt people under 18 are getting them. They are probably going to go off tax filings if I had to guess.

[Methais]

When not "shutting down the world" could lead to 70 - 400 million deaths, sign me up as a pussy.

That's a lot of old people with underlying pre-existing health conditions.


AJC article about strains already affecting hospitals in Georgia..





Volunteers are sewing masks. Factories are donating bleach. Restaurants are donating gowns. And we're only a few days into the pandemic.

Nobody reads anything you say seriously. Go fuck a cheese grater.

[Methais]

“We are looking at sending checks to Americans immediately,” Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin said during a news conference at the White House on Tuesday.

That is all I know.

On Monday Sen. Mitt Romney, R-Utah, proposed giving every adult $1,000 to help meet financial obligations. A group of Senate Democrats, led by Michael Bennet of Colorado, Cory Booker of New Jersey and Sherrod Brown of Ohio, proposed sending as much as $4,500 to each American.

I'm imagining it is going to be the 1k, rather than the 4500.

If we get Bloomberg in on it we can do a million.

[Tgo01]

If we get Bloomberg in on it we can do a million.

That's racist!!

[Gelston]

That's racist!!

don't make me stop and frisk you

[Archigeek]

You're still lying about this? I can see why you enjoy being lied to so much, it comes so naturally to you.

I said based on the information we had (at the time) the number of new DAILY cases had peaked.

Why lie so much? You hoping I'm gonna forget what I said or what?

It's always based on the information that we have. You are not special. Unless constantly extrapolation (China has known for 4 months!) from reality to your own fantasies equals special.

The truth is you don't know what is going to happen, and neither does anyone else. So stop pretending you're some kind of a savant.

[Archigeek]

“We are looking at sending checks to Americans immediately,” Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin said during a news conference at the White House on Tuesday.

That is all I know.

On Monday Sen. Mitt Romney, R-Utah, proposed giving every adult $1,000 to help meet financial obligations. A group of Senate Democrats, led by Michael Bennet of Colorado, Cory Booker of New Jersey and Sherrod Brown of Ohio, proposed sending as much as $4,500 to each American.

I'm imagining it is going to be the 1k, rather than the 4500.

$4500 is about the same that the fed blew on trying to prop up the stock market, and that vaporized in about 24 hours. These politicians should be focusing their attention on what can be done about the virus. At least this is better than trying to fix the stock market in the face of a pandemic.

[Neveragain]

“We are looking at sending checks to Americans immediately,” Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin said during a news conference at the White House on Tuesday.

That is all I know.

On Monday Sen. Mitt Romney, R-Utah, proposed giving every adult $1,000 to help meet financial obligations. A group of Senate Democrats, led by Michael Bennet of Colorado, Cory Booker of New Jersey and Sherrod Brown of Ohio, proposed sending as much as $4,500 to each American.

I'm imagining it is going to be the 1k, rather than the 4500.

https://media1.giphy.com/media/Hy9FU7i9TEQcU/giphy.gif

[Tgo01]

The truth is you don't know what is going to happen, and neither does anyone else. So stop pretending you're some kind of a savant.

The media is currently hyping this up as Armageddon and that Americans are going to be dying in hospital hallways yet you're giving me shit for saying it won't be nearly that bad.

Relax and stop taking the media so seriously.

[Tgo01]

These politicians should be focusing their attention on what can be done about the virus.

What more do you think should be done? We have closed and canceled just about everything for several weeks/several months, we are working on ramping up testing and quarantining people, contacting people who may have come into contact with an infected patient, we are researching cures/treatments and currently in the process of testing a vaccine.

Literally the only thing left is for the government to implement martial law, call up the national guard, and force everyone by gunpoint to stay indoors.

[Archigeek]

What more do you think should be done? We have closed and canceled just about everything for several weeks/several months, we are working on ramping up testing and quarantining people, contacting people who may have come into contact with an infected patient, we are researching cures/treatments and currently in the process of testing a vaccine.

Literally the only thing left is for the government to implement martial law, call up the national guard, and force everyone by gunpoint to stay indoors.

Everything we've done has been too slow, though I think we are where we need to be now. Take a look at what Taiwan did. They kicked its ass, when they were predicted to be one of the worst hit countries.

[Tgo01]

Everything we've done has been too slow, though I think we are where we need to be now. Take a look at what Taiwan did. They kicked its ass, when they were predicted to be one of the worst hit countries.

Taiwan's biggest asset was China had already forbidden Chinese tourists from visiting Taiwan several months before the outbreak and Taiwan is always leery of China's shit so they knew they had to forbid Chinese people from coming into their city as soon as China let the world know what was going on.

In that respect, I agree. We should have been leery of China for years now and distanced ourselves from them as much as possible. Something Trump has been saying since 2015 yet we all ignore that and act like this is all on Trump for some reason.

Let's also not forget that the media and the Democrats fought Trump tooth and nail when he restricted travel from China, which was one of the first things Taiwan did, and the Democrats are currently trying to punish Trump for that by taking away his power to restrict travel from countries.

[Alfster]

What it must be like in your head

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Yeah, TDS to the opposite extreme.

[Tgo01]

What it must be like in your head

I can only imagine the nightmare of living in your head; falling for lie after lie from the media and never learning and instead continuing to think they have your best interest at heart while they create a panic so bad that hospitals are now running low on supplies because people are rushing to get tested because they have the sniffles. Meanwhile you give shit to Trump at every turn even though he has been the one the experts have been praising for taking the correct measures.

You're not even human at this point, you're just an empty shell to repeat talking points fed to you by the media.

[Tgo01]

Yeah, TDS to the opposite extreme.

https://media2.giphy.com/media/Kcb7NRSLjtpksaWXIx/giphy.gif

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Is the world media lying? Are they not closing borders in Europe? Limiting non-citizen travel everywhere? What do you believe, if everything is a lie? I mean, where are you getting YOUR "facts" if the media is lying all the time. How do you arrive at this being nothing to worry about. Do you have a pocket doctor who specializes in virology where you are getting your facts from?

OR... and this is just my opinion. You fucking hate everything that could possibly be construed as anti-Trump, so it's ALL a lie and everything is fucking perfect... because Trump said so?

I'm voting for Trump in November. I am not so naive to think that the whole world going nuts over a virus is nothing to worry about. I do not share the thoughts of those who think it's ok to put the old people at risk, the poor health people at risk... anyone at risk, for fear of being perceived as not towing the Trump line. Get over it man, you are so fucking crazy about Trump you fail to see anything wrong with him, his policies or any criticisms of him.

[Neveragain]

I'm voting for Vermin Supreme.

https://img.ifunny.co/images/fb9ca942d86b80b663f36c986bfb30e554d1b540c5e5ce7f95 80310d673b4281_1.jpg

Who doesn't want free ponies?

[Alfster]

I can only imagine the nightmare of living in your head; falling for lie after lie from the media and never learning and instead continuing to think they have your best interest at heart while they create a panic so bad that hospitals are now running low on supplies because people are rushing to get tested because they have the sniffles. Meanwhile you give shit to Trump at every turn even though he has been the one the experts have been praising for taking the correct measures.

You're not even human at this point, you're just an empty shell to repeat talking points fed to you by the media.

Name a talking point the media is spewing that im pushing. I get it, this can be a stressful time, but denying that we're in the middle of a once in a generation issue is simply unhealthy.

Last week you were saying all the experts said testing more people is unnecessary. Notice what the W.H.O. said? The key is testing everyone to track the virus. It's not a fast acting virus that is easy to follow. It's slow. Painfully slow. You can have it for over a week, spreading it to everyone you're in contact with. I'm not bashing the administration, I'm not rushing out to deny it, I'm simply complying with the guidelines.

[Archigeek]

Taiwan's biggest asset was China had already forbidden Chinese tourists from visiting Taiwan several months before the outbreak and Taiwan is always leery of China's shit so they knew they had to forbid Chinese people from coming into their city as soon as China let the world know what was going on.

In that respect, I agree. We should have been leery of China for years now and distanced ourselves from them as much as possible. Something Trump has been saying since 2015 yet we all ignore that and act like this is all on Trump for some reason.

Let's also not forget that the media and the Democrats fought Trump tooth and nail when he restricted travel from China, which was one of the first things Taiwan did, and the Democrats are currently trying to punish Trump for that by taking away his power to restrict travel from countries.

Taiwan did about 150 things, and all you can see with your blinders on is the travel restrictions. Why? Because you could make another lame attempt to blame the Democrats and the media instead of actually learning something.

[Tgo01]

Is the world media lying?

I said they are creating a panic, you can create a panic while not lying.

Also I have no idea what the world media is saying or doing, I only know the US media has been caught in several lies regarding Trump and his response to this outbreak.


Are they not closing borders in Europe? Limiting non-citizen travel everywhere?

And we did that here first, but remember how Trump was a racist for doing that? Then Europe bitched that we shut off travel from Europe and Democrats of course took Europe's side?


I mean, where are you getting YOUR "facts" if the media is lying all the time.

Is it any wonder why I stopped bothering to provide sources? You all bitched I wasn't providing sources so I started providing sources and just the past couple of days I have pointed out several of the media's lies in this very thread.


How do you arrive at this being nothing to worry about.

I didn't say this is "nothing to worry about", I said people are overreacting and the media is causing a panic.

What do I base this on? Well for starters the WHO whose fatality rate calculation was shoddy at best and the media were all too eager to run with the figure because it came from the WHO.

How WHO calculated Wuhan Virus fatality rate: 5000 deaths / 130,000 confirmed cases = a fatality rate of 3.8%, 38 times more deadly than the seasonal flu!

The calculation the WHO based their flu fatality rate on: 20k deaths / 20 million ESTIMATED cases = a fatality rate of .1%


OR... and this is just my opinion. You fucking hate everything that could possibly be construed as anti-Trump, so it's ALL a lie and everything is fucking perfect... because Trump said so?

Trump is saying everything is perfect? He's the one who shut down travel from China AND Europe, which is what, a third of the world's population? I don't think that has ever been done before in American history. He is now asking everyone to stay indoors for 2 weeks, asking people to practice social distancing, and getting ready to spend trillions of dollars to revive the economy because of the actions he is undertaking.


I'm voting for Trump in November.

Me too. First presidential election I have voted in since 2000 because Trump is by far the best president of my lifetime. You can call that TDS all you want, I call it how I see it.

[Tgo01]

Name a talking point the media is spewing that im pushing.

Well this for starters:


Have you read what's going on with Italian doctors? They have more beds per capita than we do.


Last week you were saying all the experts said testing more people is unnecessary.

I didn't say that, I said the experts are saying you don't need to test everyone, just the people who either have symptoms or have been in close contact with someone who has tested positive, and the US experts are still saying this.

I really don't care what the WHO is saying. The WHO was too busy sucking China's dick for months while China let it get this bad to begin with.

[Tgo01]

Taiwan did about 150 things, and all you can see with your blinders on is the travel restrictions.

Travel restrictions and screening people coming from China were the biggest things they did. What else did they do that you think had as much of an impact as literally cutting off the source of infected people?

[Astray]

If all these fucks can't start to control their stupidity, we're gonna be looking at martial law being implemented soon.

[Neveragain]

If all these fucks can't start to control their stupidity, we're gonna be looking at martial law being implemented soon.

It's probably going to happen anyway. National guard has been deployed in several states already.

[Archigeek]

Travel restrictions and screening people coming from China were the biggest things they did. What else did they do that you think had as much of an impact as literally cutting off the source of infected people?

https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-taiwan-case-study-rapid-response-containment-2020-3

If you want the complete list, there's a link to it in that article. The Taiwanese were super proactive. The United States was not.

[Tgo01]

WV is no longer immune to the Wuhan Virus.

[Risen]

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-usa-mood/fear-and-loathing-bloom-as-american-tempers-fray-in-coronavirus-crisis-idUSKBN2133VW

I'd say this article is about 5 years too late, around here. And for those scanning just to validate their own internal beliefs, keep in mind there are good points on both sides here - but we are each a product of the sum of our experiences. Views can, and should differ. The question is, should the rancor and rant.

[Tgo01]

https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-taiwan-case-study-rapid-response-containment-2020-3

If you want the complete list, there's a link to it in that article. The Taiwanese were super proactive. The United States was not.

Okay so I skimmed the list and at least half of the things they did either had to do with restricting travel from China, testing people arriving from China (later all travelers), and ensuring masks made in the city weren't shipped out but instead stayed in the city so they city would have enough masks.

I bought some masks before the panic really set in. Take a wild guess where they were made. Go on. Guess.

[Risen]

I bought some masks before the panic really set in. Take a wild guess where they were made. Go on. Guess.

China. Are both of them still unopened?

[Tgo01]

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-usa-mood/fear-and-loathing-bloom-as-american-tempers-fray-in-coronavirus-crisis-idUSKBN2133VW

I'd say this article is about 5 years too late, around here. And for those scanning just to validate their own internal beliefs, keep in mind there are good points on both sides here - but we are each a product of the sum of our experiences. Views can, and should differ. The question is, should the rancor and rant.

I stocked up on everything I need about a month ago, I figure if I had to I can stay inside my house for about 2 months (other than to go to work of course.)

So I am going to stay in my home (again other than work or until they ask me to stop coming in) until April 1st.

I still think people are panicking and overreacting (getting into knife fights over toilet paper for fuck's sake), but I try to be a good American whenever possible and if the President is asking me to stay home until April 1st then that's what I'm going to do.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

if the President is asking me to stay home until April 1st then that's what I'm going to do.

to bad the college students can't be inconvenienced to not go to spring break so they are basically putting everyone at risk. I swear to god, I wish there was a gen z virus.

[Methais]

I've read US adults in other sources. I doubt people under 18 are getting them. They are probably going to go off tax filings if I had to guess.

https://i.imgflip.com/3t02d4.jpg

[Risen]

Again with the rep limit. Shit.

Props. The most important thing in a crisis is to set a routine. Guidance from leadership is key for that. Self-imposed routine works well, too. Anyone with a home gym is probably going to walk away from this buff, slimmer, and short of TP. I'm going to be a lot slimmer. There's only so much corned beef I can stand, whether it's the only product available or not.

[Tgo01]

China. Are both of them still unopened?

Yup yup.

[Methais]

I stocked up on everything I need about a month ago, I figure if I had to I can stay inside my house for about 2 months (other than to go to work of course.)

So I am going to stay in my home (again other than work or until they ask me to stop coming in) until April 1st.

I still think people are panicking and overreacting (getting into knife fights over toilet paper for fuck's sake), but I try to be a good American whenever possible and if the President is asking me to stay home until April 1st then that's what I'm going to do.

YEAH BUT DID YOU STOCK UP ON SIMUCOINS????????????????????

https://media.giphy.com/media/ToMjGpz81S7usvTIM8w/giphy.gif

[Methais]

to bad the college students can't be inconvenienced to not go to spring break so they are basically putting everyone at risk. I swear to god, I wish there was a gen z virus.

Just run around yelling there are only 2 genders and at least 1/3 of them will die of a heart attack or stroke.

And also good luck with spring break when everything is closed.

[RichardCranium]

I worked a 10 hour shift today but they called me when I got home and said that I've been furloughed for 2 weeks, possibly longer.

[Tgo01]

YEAH BUT DID YOU STOCK UP ON SIMUCOINS????????????????????

https://media.giphy.com/media/ToMjGpz81S7usvTIM8w/giphy.gif

I'm waiting for my Trump check before I invest in Simucoins.

[Tgo01]

I worked a 10 hour shift today but they called me when I got home and said that I've been furloughed for 2 weeks, possibly longer.

Well that sucks. Unless they are still paying you then that's awesome.

[RichardCranium]

Well that sucks. Unless they are still paying you then that's awesome.

They said that they already have funding set aside to be paid but it's being handled through state unemployment so who fucking knows. I'll find out more tomorrow.

[Risen]

Gutless leadership. Not even a courtesy chat on the way out, with insights on what to expect. Sorry it happened. Everyone deserves better.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I'm working from home indefinitely. I fucking HATE it. I like interacting with folks at work.

[Tgo01]

Philadelphia is ensuring that if the Wuhan Virus doesn't cause havoc in the city then crime just might.

Here are just some of the crimes the Philadelphia police will not arrest anyone for during the city shutdown:

All retail theft
All theft from people
All drug offenses
Burglary
Car theft
Prostitution

So you can live out your Grand Theft Auto dreams in real life in Philadelphia for the next few weeks!

Sell some cocaine to a group of kids, fuck a hooker right in the middle of the street, then pull a guy out of his car and steal his wallet then drive away in his car, then on your way home break in a home or two and steal whatever can fit into your stolen car.

Like I get putting off making arrests for certain offenses like petty vandalism and loitering or something, but you can fucking steal a car and the police won't arrest you for at least a couple of weeks?

https://twitter.com/KeeleyFox29/status/1240031697674080260?s=20

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Dude. Everyone knows Philly doesn't give 5 shits if you are criminal. Like... it's democratically run.

[Methais]

I'm working from home indefinitely. I fucking HATE it. I like interacting with folks at work.

Me too. And my office chair pwns. Which I'm unable to sit in until further notice.

Thanks China.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

PS, there is a run on liquor stores. I got mine in before the shortage.

[Archigeek]

I'm working from home indefinitely. I fucking HATE it. I like interacting with folks at work.

This is me. I thrive on interaction. My productivity was low today. Going to have to get medieval on it... right after I kill some monsters.

[Tgo01]

Media is reporting that Trump is planning on turning away all asylum seekers at the southern border during this crisis.

[Archigeek]

PS, there is a run on liquor stores. I got mine in before the shortage.

My friend posted a photo of the beer aisle at a grocery store in Wisconsin. Nearly cleaned out. If the Sconies run out of alcohol, we're all in trouble.

[Risen]

The market to get into is microbrewery. Hell, even Mr. Beer make-beer-at-home is going to start looking pretty good in a couple weeks. Where is the highest density of microbreweries? And do they delivery growlers?

[Archigeek]

Philadelphia is ensuring that if the Wuhan Virus doesn't cause havoc in the city then crime just might.

Here are just some of the crimes the Philadelphia police will not arrest anyone for during the city shutdown:

All retail theft
All theft from people
All drug offenses
Burglary
Car theft
Prostitution

So you can live out your Grand Theft Auto dreams in real life in Philadelphia for the next few weeks!

Sell some cocaine to a group of kids, fuck a hooker right in the middle of the street, then pull a guy out of his car and steal his wallet then drive away in his car, then on your way home break in a home or two and steal whatever can fit into your stolen car.

Like I get putting off making arrests for certain offenses like petty vandalism and loitering or something, but you can fucking steal a car and the police won't arrest you for at least a couple of weeks?

https://twitter.com/KeeleyFox29/status/1240031697674080260?s=20

You have to fuck the hooker from 6 feet away tho. :nono:

[RichardCranium]

You have to fuck the hooker from 6 feet away tho. :nono:

Wow, that's pretty racist.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

You have to fuck the hooker from 6 feet away tho. :nono:

TGO1 is crazy though, we can agree.

[Risen]

So the email in Philly is essentially telling officers to use the 'catch ya later' method of getting information and getting a warrant. Does not mean free ride. Just means it will take a few weeks to get around to the offender. Moderately smart - cuts down on numbers in holding areas, detention centers, group charge review. And everyone knows three things about law enforcement officers - of which number two is they never vote democrat. What kills me is the Philly Police Commissioner's name. That is priceless.

[Methais]

https://i.imgur.com/1OIWA7F.png

[Neveragain]

Boeing asking for a $60 billion bailout.

https://media3.giphy.com/media/ilqOZXJ8pxfQnnLEjK/giphy.gif

[Ardwen]

Boeing is now priced so low it could be at risk for a hostile takeover

[Parkbandit]

Boeing was having major troubles prior to the virus.

[~Rocktar~]

Boeing was having major troubles prior to the virus.

Yeah, their fucking union and the French government direct subsidizing Airbus for decades. Along with a software problem that they kind of tried to cover up. Oh and wasn't it the Obama administration that would not let them build a plant in the Carolina's to get away from the shitpile of a union?

[Neveragain]

https://i.imgur.com/1OIWA7F.png

5.7 magnitude earthquake just hit outside of Salt Lake city. There's been some structural damage.

You may be on to something.

[Neveragain]

Yeah, their fucking union and the French government direct subsidizing Airbus for decades. Along with a software problem that they kind of tried to cover up. Oh and wasn't it the Obama administration that would not let them build a plant in the Carolina's to get away from the shitpile of a union?

Their CEO just stepped down in January and received $60+ million.

[Archigeek]

Yeah, their fucking union and the French government direct subsidizing Airbus for decades. Along with a software problem that they kind of tried to cover up. Oh and wasn't it the Obama administration that would not let them build a plant in the Carolina's to get away from the shitpile of a union?

They built the plant in either North or South Carolina.

I don't think there's really any doubt that the reason they were in trouble before this was because they royally fucked up and a couple of planes crashed killing hundreds of people. But sure, blame the union.

[Tgo01]

It didn't help that they sourced out the programming for those planes to India and were paying them like 7 dollars an hour or some dumb shit.

[Archigeek]

It didn't help that they sourced out the programming for those planes to India and were paying them like 7 dollars an hour or some dumb shit.

I've known a few architecture firms and also major retailers (I'm looking at you Target) who tried outsourcing drafting services to India, and other overseas locations. It was a disaster. Renderings work though... we outsource those to China!

[Tgo01]

I've known a few architecture firms and also major retailers (I'm looking at you Target) who tried outsourcing drafting services to India, and other overseas locations. It was a disaster. Renderings work though... we outsource those to China!

Because of course!

[Tgo01]

Coronavirus in California: Yes, a few people are calling 911 to report coughing neighbors (https://www.desertsun.com/story/news/health/2020/03/16/coronavirus-palm-springs-area-police-adjust-social-distancing/5044978002/)


Neighbors calling 911 to report hearing loud coughing next door? It's happening.

As the number of those with the coronavirus grows locally — Riverside County announced its 15th case on Monday and San Bernardino County confirmed its first case on Sunday — some Coachella Valley police departments say they've started fielding 911 reports from concerned callers convinced a neighbor's overly loud sneeze or hacking cough is proof the person has the virus.

Palm Springs police estimate dispatchers had about five of these calls last week, Sgt. Mike Casavan said.

Cathedral City police Cmdr. Paul Herrera said dispatchers with his department, who also handle 911 calls from the neighboring city of Desert Hot Springs, fielded similar calls.

In many cases, the calls are forwarded to the fire department where paramedics are also dispatched to directly provide any needed medical attention before transporting the person to an area hospital.

All I can say/emote is: SIGH!

[Methais]

Coronavirus in California: Yes, a few people are calling 911 to report coughing neighbors (https://www.desertsun.com/story/news/health/2020/03/16/coronavirus-palm-springs-area-police-adjust-social-distancing/5044978002/)



All I can say/emote is: SIGH!


https://youtu.be/NJQ02TWZvgM

[Tgo01]

Merkel says Wuhan Virus "biggest challenge for Germany since WW2."

"Shit ain't been this bad in Germany since those darn American soldiers invaded our country in WW2! Simply because they hated our leader at the time!"

I can't wait until I'm called a racist for reminding everyone that Nazism started in Germany.

[Methais]

Merkel says Wuhan Virus "biggest challenge for Germany since WW2."

"Shit ain't been this bad in Germany since those darn American soldiers invaded our country in WW2! Simply because they hated our leader at the time!"

I can't wait until I'm called a racist for reminding everyone that Nazism started in Germany.

At least she didn’t blame WW2 on Trump, so I guess +1 for that.

[Tgo01]

For those wondering why I don't trust anything WHO says look at this tweet from 2 months ago:


Preliminary investigations conducted by the Chinese authorities have found no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission of the novel #coronavirus (2019-nCoV) identified in #Wuhan, #China

Then when WHO could no longer keep lying for China because China was busy literally welding doors shut to keep people in their homes, WHO then PRAISED China for literally welding doors shut to keep people in their homes because China supposedly gave the rest of the world time to prepare.

The fuck?

Maybe if China had been honest with the world way back in October/November instead of arresting doctors who tried to warn the world then we could praise China for giving the rest of the world time to prepare.

The WHO is literally nothing more than a Chinese propagandist organization at this point.

[Methais]

For those wondering why I don't trust anything WHO says look at this tweet from 2 months ago:



Then when WHO could no longer keep lying for China because China was busy literally welding doors shut to keep people in their homes, WHO then PRAISED China for literally welding doors shut to keep people in their homes because China supposedly gave the rest of the world time to prepare.

The fuck?

Maybe if China had been honest with the world way back in October/November instead of arresting doctors who tried to warn the world then we could praise China for giving the rest of the world time to prepare.

The WHO is literally nothing more than a Chinese propagandist organization at this point.

https://i.imgflip.com/1130nj.jpg

[Tgo01]

https://i.imgflip.com/1130nj.jpg

Racist.

Honestly at this rate I'm waiting for just the word "China" to be considered racist unless you use it in a sentence where you are metaphorically sucking China's dick.

[Alfster]

Well this for starters:





I didn't say that, I said the experts are saying you don't need to test everyone, just the people who either have symptoms or have been in close contact with someone who has tested positive, and the US experts are still saying this.

I really don't care what the WHO is saying. The WHO was too busy sucking China's dick for months while China let it get this bad to begin with.


The number of new daily cases in the US peaked on March 1st.

In South Korea it peaked on February 29th.

The cases in China supposedly peaked a few weeks ago as well.

Italy of course is still fucked at the moment as the number of daily cases hasn't yet peaked in their country.

It's not a guarantee, but typically when the number of new daily cases peak that means the virus is on the way out in that country, and with Trump taking measures to ensure we cut off the flow of most of these infections (namely Europe) that means as of right now the stats are telling us the US is well on the way of containing this virus. This could change of course, I'm not saying we are out of the woods yet, just pointing out how ridiculous the media is for whipping everyone into a frenzy and suggesting Trump isn't doing enough.

Remember when the media couldn't suck their own dicks hard enough when they said Trump cared more about the stock market than he did about Americans dying? Remember how just last night Trump really fucked over the stock market by banning all incoming travel from Europe? Remember how the media STILL insisted he wasn't doing enough? The fuck is wrong with the people playing along with the media's fevered dreams?




I didn't say it has peaked, I said from the information we have it has peaked.



You're shit at saying what you mean then.

[Tgo01]

The number of new daily cases in the US peaked on March 1st.


This could change of course

Same post. Give it up, my brother from another mother.

[ClydeR]

This is from a proposal that Certain People in Congress want to pass. It involves all sorts of giveaways. I want to focus on the below highlighted assertion of historical practices of "non-debt monetary expansion" to face national emergencies. My question is when? When did we use non-debt monetary expansion for emergencies? I don't believe it. If I am wrong, show me when it happened.


Congress therefore must act to enable the Treasury and Fed to fund all of the measures detailed above through fiscal and monetary expansion that does not heighten debt burdens. Non-debt monetary expansion is a critical part of how we and other advanced nations have financed nearly every national emergency response in modern history. Often in the past, decisions to finance emergency responses in this way have come too late to be optimally effective. And right now in America we have arcane post-WWII rules that impede our capacity to finance operations in this way – the way we financed our Great Depression and World War II mobilizations themselves.

More... (https://newconsensus.com/pandemic-economics/)


It is accordingly urgent that we suspend the rules and practices that require our Treasury to sell new debt on the capital markets for every dollar that it spends. It is urgent that we open the tap, in other words, to what is called ‘non-debt monetary expansion.’ With yields on already issued Treasury securities now below zero in real terms, the Treasury is effectively being paid to hold investors’ money. At the very least, this should be rebated to Americans in their hour of need through massively expansionary fiscal and monetary policy. At the same time, spending power must be conveyed directly to the population, as prescribed above, in ways that do not leave individuals indebted or unnecessarily increasing the national debt. There are multiple mechanisms through which to do these things, including the following:

[Archigeek]

For those wondering why I don't trust anything WHO says look at this tweet from 2 months ago:



Then when WHO could no longer keep lying for China because China was busy literally welding doors shut to keep people in their homes, WHO then PRAISED China for literally welding doors shut to keep people in their homes because China supposedly gave the rest of the world time to prepare.

The fuck?

Maybe if China had been honest with the world way back in October/November instead of arresting doctors who tried to warn the world then we could praise China for giving the rest of the world time to prepare.

The WHO is literally nothing more than a Chinese propagandist organization at this point.

Citations plz.

In this post you quote some unnamed source, and then extrapolate to some bullshit hyperbole like you always do. Your math doesn't use real numbers and your rhetoric is from fantasy land.

Next thing you know you'll be claiming that you didn't say that we peaked on March 1st.

[Methais]

https://i.imgur.com/1aemNFU.jpg


This is from a proposal that Certain People in Congress want to pass. It involves all sorts of giveaways. I want to focus on the below highlighted assertion of historical practices of "non-debt monetary expansion" to face national emergencies. My question is when? When did we use non-debt monetary expansion for emergencies? I don't believe it. If I am wrong, show me when it happened.

https://media3.giphy.com/media/10eb85Z3lMc17a/giphy.gif

[Tgo01]

Citations plz.

In this post you quote some unnamed source, and then extrapolate to some bullshit hyperbole like you always do. Your math doesn't use real numbers and your rhetoric is from fantasy land.

Next thing you know you'll be claiming that you didn't say that we peaked on March 1st.

The unnamed source was a Tweet directly from WHO, I thought as much was obvious but here is basically the same sentence from WHO's website:

https://www.who.int/csr/don/12-january-2020-novel-coronavirus-china/en/#.XnKiz30KgPc.twitter


At this stage, there is no infection among healthcare workers, and no clear evidence of human to human transmission.

What else in my post are you questioning? I guess it's my bad for thinking people with a lot of opinions in this discussion are paying as much attention to it as I am.

[Archigeek]

Jan. 30 - “We have it very well under control. We have very little problem in this country at this moment — five. And those people are all recuperating successfully.”
Jan. 31 - “Well, we pretty much shut it down coming in from China. We have a tremendous relationship with China, which is a very positive thing. Getting along with China, getting along with Russia, getting along with these countries.”
Feb. 10 - “Looks like by April, you know, in theory, when it gets a little warmer, it miraculously goes away,”
Feb. 19 - “I think the numbers are going to get progressively better as we go along.”
Feb. 23 - “[It’s] very much under control. We had 12, at one point. And now they’ve gotten very much better. Many of them are fully recovered.”
Feb. 25 ““We have contained this, I won’t say airtight but pretty close to airtight.”
Feb. 26 - “We’re going down, not up. We’re going very substantially down, not up.”
Feb. 28 – “The vaccine will be available very quickly.”
March 2 - “We’re talking about a much smaller range of deaths than from the flu.”
March 4 – “It’s very mild.”
March 6 – ““There is no testing kit shortage, nor has there ever been. Anybody that wants a test can get a test.”
March 7 – “I’m not concerned at all.”
March 10 - “It will go away. Just stay calm. It will go away.
March 10 – “I like this stuff. I really get it. People are surprised that I understand it. Every one of these doctors said, ‘How do you know so much about this?’ Maybe I have a natural ability. Maybe I should have done that instead of running for president.”
March 17 - “I’ve always known this is a real — this is a pandemic. I felt it was a pandemic long before it was called a pandemic.” -Donald J Trump

A few quotes from the president of the United States. Missing is the one where he says he takes no responsibility at all.

[Tgo01]

A few quotes from the president of the United States. Missing is the one where he says he takes no responsibility at all.

Why would he take responsibility for a virus that started in China, was subsequently covered up by the Chinese government, and was made worse by China's inaction and refusal to initially allow outside health organizations into the country to observe the virus?

China's propaganda arm really is effective. It's been less than a week since China started a disinformation campaign (including blaming this outbreak on the US military) and we already have the media feeding the American people the preferred Chinese narrative and here on the PC we already have people blaming Trump and ignoring China's malfeasance. And you Democrats have the utter audacity to say Russia is interfering in our politics? Just look at you right now. It's sad and pathetic and quite frankly downright despicable.

[Archigeek]

Why would he take responsibility for a virus that started in China, was subsequently covered up by the Chinese government, and was made worse by China's inaction and refusal to initially allow outside health organizations into the country to observe the virus?

China's propaganda arm really is effective. It's been less than a week since China started a disinformation campaign (including blaming this outbreak on the US military) and we already have the media feeding the American people the preferred Chinese narrative and here on the PC we already have people blaming Trump and ignoring China's malfeasance. And you Democrats have the utter audacity to say Russia is interfering in our politics? Just look at you right now. It's sad and pathetic and quite frankly downright despicable.

Dude, those were just quotes. Like these:

Lindon B Johnson: "The buck stops here"

FDR: "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself"

JFK: "Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country"

Donald J Trump: "I don't take responsibility at all"

He was talking about the shortage of virus tests by the way, and now we're rationing them. The president has extraordinary power to lead in a situation like this, and he's failed miserably.

[Tgo01]

The president has extraordinary power to lead in a situation like this, and he's failed miserably.

How has he failed? He was the first leader of a Western nation to restrict travel from China, even being called a racist for doing so.

He was the first leader period to my knowledge to start to restrict travel from Europe, again even though he took a lot of shit from that.

He declared a national health emergency days before WHO even declared this a pandemic.

He declared a national emergency just a couple of days after WHO declared this a pandemic.

He created the Wuhan virus task force on January 29th, less than a month after China even bothered to tell us about the virus, which was 1+ months after THEY knew about it.

Remember what Democrats were doing while Trump was restricting travel from China and creating a task force and declaring health emergencies to try and protect American citizens? Oh that's right, they were busy trying to remove Trump from office with their bogus ass impeachment trial in the Senate.

Talk about a failure of leadership. These same Democrats are now telling YOU that Trump didn't do enough and you're now telling ME that Trump didn't do enough.

I hacked into your webcam while you were typing up your post and took a screenshot of you:

https://modernfarmer.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/Funny-Sheep-Facts-1200x800.jpg

[Risen]

There's two parts to leadership - Taking action (Tgo's points are pretty compelling) and communicating need for that action (Archigeek's points are pretty compelling).

Without trying to compare dates or actions or invalidate any of the points above, I think my perspective is - we probably could have moved faster and marshaled resources even better with a crystal clear and unbiased communication stream. As it is, we're too wrapped up in who is zooming who. Doesn't matter. Look at what has been accomplished this week alone with the understanding that shit just needs to get done. Tone starts at the top. Not just the President. But definitely including the President.

[Tgo01]

As it is, we're too wrapped up in who is zooming who.

It's "who is zooming whom", you heathen :O

Also I think Trump's earlier statements of saying shit like we have it under control and it will go away by Spring was to try and keep everyone calm and not create a panic, which is what the media was trying to push at the time.

Really there was no need for what we are doing now back in January, especially with the WHO parroting talking points from the Chinese government that human to human transmission wasn't even possible.

Could we have started things earlier? I'll concede that maybe yes, but we are talking days earlier, MAYBE two weeks earlier, certainly not the month(s!!!) earlier Democrats are suggesting.

The last thing we needed back in January was to scare the shit out of everyone and tell everyone to stay indoors while the WHO and China were telling us China had it under control and human to human transmission wasn't even possible.

I think the biggest takeaway is we can no longer take WHO's statements at face value and we sure as hell should never trust a single thing China ever says again.

[~Rocktar~]

. . .
Harry S. Truman: "The buck stops here"

Lyndon B Johnson: "These Negroes, they’re getting pretty uppity these days and that’s a problem for us since they’ve got something now they never had before, the political pull to back up their uppityness. Now we’ve got to do something about this, we’ve got to give them a little something, just enough to quiet them down, not enough to make a difference. For if we don’t move at all, then their allies will line up against us and there’ll be no way of stopping them, we’ll lose the filibuster and there’ll be no way of putting a brake on all sorts of wild legislation. It’ll be Reconstruction all over again."

and

"I'll have those n*ggers voting Democratic for the next 200 years."


FTFY

Oh, and you can't even spell Johnson's first name correctly so I fixed that too.

Here is another Kennedy quote
“I did not lie awake at night worrying about the problems of Negroes.” — Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy, 1961.

And here is an article supporting these racist Democrats from a nice Leftist source.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/the-democratic-partys-two_b_933995

So before you go harping on my spelling and grammar again maybe you should get your own house in order. At least I can get historical facts and people right. So take your racist heroes and your racist party and fuck right off.

[Risen]

And here is an article supporting these racist Democrats from a nice Leftist source.

As penned by:



The Relentless Conservative


Good to know balanced views are permitted, no?

[~Rocktar~]

As penned by:



Good to know balanced views are permitted, no?

There is no "balance" the fact that most of the Democrat heroes, policies and practices are racist to the core.

[Risen]

Yes, I got your point right away in your first post. Rather than driving home the fact that the same thing is prevalent through history on the Republican side and then asking the question about maybe the era influencing, I thought I'd point out it was a conservative author. But, I'm good with your perspective. Doesn't affect me none. And yes, I am registered and vote Republican.

I will admit to being in a bit of a quandary this cycle, though.

[Parkbandit]

I can't even quote Archigeek's last post because of some stupid firewall bullshit...

But Archigeek... WTF is your argument at this point? That it's Trump's fault for a virus that started in China.. or that he should just take responsibility for a virus outbreak that started in China?

Usually, you put some thought into your arguments.. but this one is way out there in Retardville.

[Parkbandit]

There is no "balance" the fact that most of the Democrat heroes, policies and practices are racist to the core.

Pretty sure I can quote many politicians of both parties from the 50's and 60's that used derogatory terms for black people.

Placing today's standards on something from back then is a foolish endeavor.

[Archigeek]

I can't even quote Archigeek's last post because of some stupid firewall bullshit...

But Archigeek... WTF is your argument at this point? That it's Trump's fault for a virus that started in China.. or that he should just take responsibility for a virus outbreak that started in China?

Usually, you put some thought into your arguments.. but this one is way out there in Retardville.

My point is that his leadership has sucked ball sack on this, at the time when it's most needed. And since he likes to hear himself talk, he's provided plenty of evidence of his weakness as a leader in a time of crisis. Where the crisis doesn't change the fact that we're in one, and he's the President, and it's his job to lead.

We're rationing testing right now, at a time when we should be ramping it up. Meanwhile, of their own accord, places like the Mayo Clinic have developed their own tests. You read that list of quotes in a timeline and it's just really bad leadership, without any foresight. Unless you think "I've known it was a pandemic all along" is leadership.

[Tgo01]

Stanford Professor: Data Indicates We’re Severely Overreacting To Coronavirus (https://www.dailywire.com/news/stanford-professor-data-indicates-were-overreacting-to-coronavirus)


Projecting the Diamond Princess mortality rate onto the age structure of the U.S. population, the death rate among people infected with Covid-19 would be 0.125%. But since this estimate is based on extremely thin data — there were just seven deaths among the 700 infected passengers and crew — the real death rate could stretch from five times lower (0.025%) to five times higher (0.625%). It is also possible that some of the passengers who were infected might die later, and that tourists may have different frequencies of chronic diseases — a risk factor for worse outcomes with SARS-CoV-2 infection — than the general population. Adding these extra sources of uncertainty, reasonable estimates for the case fatality ratio in the general U.S. population vary from 0.05% to 1%.

[Tgo01]

We're rationing testing right now, at a time when we should be ramping it up.

Like what more should Trump have done in this regard? The US hasn't turned down any testing kits, the federal government doesn't forbid states from developing their own kits.

Maybe if back in January China had allowed our CDC into their country to observe the outbreak like the CDC wanted then we could have developed a proper testing kit much sooner.

But you're too busy falling for literal Chinese propaganda to pin any blame on them.

[Risen]

He took an important step in invoking the War Powers Act (1973). He could now begin directing businesses to produce, at target quantities. And please, let's not clutter the exchange with "WHAT?! THE WAR POWERS ACT! HE WAS CENSURED ABOUT THE WAR POWERS ACT!!!!!!11!" It'd be correct. But still so wrong.

[Risen]

Stanford Professor: Data Indicates We’re Severely Overreacting To Coronavirus (https://www.dailywire.com/news/stanford-professor-data-indicates-were-overreacting-to-coronavirus)

Couple of problems with this statistically. To do this right, mortality rate would be calculated from disposed cases. In other words here, either recovered / released, or dead. Using that metric, the Diamond Princess is clocking in at 1.3%, with 178 cases still open and 14 are marked critical. At present tally, that metric is clocking in at 9% globally (with Europe leading in the 40 to 50% range).

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

The problem with that is not all countries (like the US) are reporting disposition of cases reliably. So that brings our own tally to over 100%, and that isn't right either.

I'm still betting on 4.5% to 6%, when the dust settles.

[Tgo01]

At present tally, that metric is clocking in at 9% globally

That's not taking into account the disproportionate number of elderly people that were on the Diamond Princess.

There is no question that this disease hits the elderly and sick harder than younger and healthier people, which is why the study I quoted calculated the rate based on the age demographics of the world.

I'm not saying "Fuck it! Just let the old die!" I'm saying we need to look at this realistically and the only numbers we have other than the Diamond Princess are from people who are showing symptoms, most of the time severe symptoms, so it stands to reason that people who are showing severe symptoms are most likely going to die from the virus. And contrary to what the Trump haters think, NO country out there is literally testing everyone, or even a measurable percentage of the population. It's all about testing people showing symptoms, tracking down the people they came into contact with, and tracking the potentially affected and isolating people who are at risk.

Thus the only data we have so far where each and every single person in a controlled environment was tested is the Diamond Princess.

[Tgo01]

For anyone still sucking down the Chinese propaganda as fast as they can go ahead and read this story, ALL OF IT:

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2020/03/18/beijing_fears_covid-19_is_turning_point_for_china_globalization__14268 6.html

But especially this paragraph:


The reality is that China did not tell its own people about the risk for weeks and refused to let in major foreign epidemiological teams, including from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control. Thus, the world could not get accurate information and laboratory samples early on. By then, it was too late to stop the virus from spreading, and other world capitals were as lax in imposing meaningful travel bans and quarantines as was Beijing.

"But...but I was told (by the Chines propaganda team or one of their proxies) that Trump is to blame for the slow rollout of test kits in the US!!!"

If you still believe that then You. Are. A. Sheep.

[Parkbandit]

My point is that his leadership has sucked ball sack on this, at the time when it's most needed. And since he likes to hear himself talk, he's provided plenty of evidence of his weakness as a leader in a time of crisis. Where the crisis doesn't change the fact that we're in one, and he's the President, and it's his job to lead.

We're rationing testing right now, at a time when we should be ramping it up. Meanwhile, of their own accord, places like the Mayo Clinic have developed their own tests. You read that list of quotes in a timeline and it's just really bad leadership, without any foresight. Unless you think "I've known it was a pandemic all along" is leadership.

No one is surprised that someone on the left believes that a Republican isn't leading correctly... especially when that Republican is Trump.

He would literally have to levitate and banish the virus for just a few on the left to say "ok.. he handled that, but he still is bad!"

So what specific steps do you believe he should make to quell your desire to string him up over this?

[Parkbandit]

Couple of problems with this statistically. To do this right, mortality rate would be calculated from disposed cases. In other words here, either recovered / released, or dead. Using that metric, the Diamond Princess is clocking in at 1.3%, with 178 cases still open and 14 are marked critical. At present tally, that metric is clocking in at 9% globally (with Europe leading in the 40 to 50% range).

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

The problem with that is not all countries (like the US) are reporting disposition of cases reliably. So that brings our own tally to over 100%, and that isn't right either.

I'm still betting on 4.5% to 6%, when the dust settles.

You believe the mortality rate of this virus will be that high? I think you are way way way off. Like by a factor of 100-1000 off

[Seran]

For anyone still sucking down the Chinese propaganda as fast as they can go ahead and read this story, ALL OF IT:

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2020/03/18/beijing_fears_covid-19_is_turning_point_for_china_globalization__14268 6.html

But especially this paragraph:



"But...but I was told (by the Chines propaganda team or one of their proxies) that Trump is to blame for the slow rollout of test kits in the US!!!"

If you still believe that then You. Are. A. Sheep.

Trump failed by trying to downplay the coronavirus and for being the only commander and chief to publicly shrug off the responsibility and culpability of his office. Failed administration fails and now thousands will die. You literally can't spin that

[Archigeek]

Like what more should Trump have done in this regard? The US hasn't turned down any testing kits, the federal government doesn't forbid states from developing their own kits.

Maybe if back in January China had allowed our CDC into their country to observe the outbreak like the CDC wanted then we could have developed a proper testing kit much sooner.

But you're too busy falling for literal Chinese propaganda to pin any blame on them.

I post a list of Trump quotes with their dates and I get accused of "falling for literal Chinese propaganda?" Are you accusing Trump of being a Chinese double agent? You heard it first from Tg01 folks, "Trump's statements are Chinese propaganda!"

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Trump failed by trying to downplay the coronavirus and for being the only commander and chief to publicly shrug off the responsibility and culpability of his office. Failed administration fails and now thousands will die. You literally can't spin that

Pretty sure you just spun it.

[Archigeek]

That's not taking into account the disproportionate number of elderly people that were on the Diamond Princess.

There is no question that this disease hits the elderly and sick harder than younger and healthier people, which is why the study I quoted calculated the rate based on the age demographics of the world.

I'm not saying "Fuck it! Just let the old die!" I'm saying we need to look at this realistically and the only numbers we have other than the Diamond Princess are from people who are showing symptoms, most of the time severe symptoms, so it stands to reason that people who are showing severe symptoms are most likely going to die from the virus. And contrary to what the Trump haters think, NO country out there is literally testing everyone, or even a measurable percentage of the population. It's all about testing people showing symptoms, tracking down the people they came into contact with, and tracking the potentially affected and isolating people who are at risk.

Thus the only data we have so far where each and every single person in a controlled environment was tested is the Diamond Princess.

This is completely wrongheaded thinking. First of all, South Korea is testing 300,000 people per day. Second, only testing people who show symptoms is lunacy in the face of a virus that can live 2-3 days on hard surfaces, and can be carried for 5 days before you show symptoms.

Think of the potential lag this way: someone gets the virus, they touch some doorknobs and handrails where it gets spread for 2 days. 3 days later, our patient zero starts to show symptoms. 2 days after that, they finally go in to get checked, but there are no tests so fuck it? Or, as is happening now, samples are getting frozen for later testing because hospitals are out of tests. So maybe 10 days later, if we're lucky, we get a test result under the situation we're in now. By then, how many people has the virus spread to? The statistical answer based on what we know is about 10.

The main thing we are doing right today is social distancing. Hopefully we'll catch up and start testing a lot more people before it's too late.

[Neveragain]

You literally can't spin that

Blaming this administration for the failure of our shit government ignoring our infrastructure for 40 years is infantile at minimum.

This admin has been trying to secure our borders for over 3 years now and the left has screamed racist the whole time. The left screamed racism when he suspended flights from China. The left kicked and screamed at every turn as this admin has been trying to cut ties with China.

There's nothing this man can do that idiots as yourself won't bitch about, fuck off.

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/SpanishCautiousAlligator-size_restricted.gif

[Parkbandit]

Trump failed by trying to downplay the coronavirus and for being the only commander and chief to publicly shrug off the responsibility and culpability of his office. Failed administration fails and now thousands will die. You literally can't spin that

Except you literally just did spin that.

I expect this type of stupidity from you.. I just assumed wrongly that Archigeek wasn't infected with TDS.

[Tgo01]

Trump failed by trying to downplay the coronavirus and for being the only commander and chief to publicly shrug off the responsibility and culpability of his office. Failed administration fails and now thousands will die. You literally can't spin that

When you're done sucking Xi Jinping's tiny dick be sure to swallow afterwards like a good little whore.

Democrats' 2020 campaign slogan: Make China Great Again!

[Tgo01]

I post a list of Trump quotes with their dates and I get accused of "falling for literal Chinese propaganda?" Are you accusing Trump of being a Chinese double agent? You heard it first from Tg01 folks, "Trump's statements are Chinese propaganda!"

Answer my question. I've noticed when I pose a difficult question for you to answer all you can muster is a sad deflection attempt.

In the words of Trump "SAD!"

[Tgo01]

South Korea is testing 300,000 people per day.

Where are you getting this information? From all of the sources I have found they've done around 300k TOTAL, actually less but I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt here.

Considering South Korea has a population of 51 million that means they haven't even tested half a percent of their total population, meaning by no means have a clear picture of the total infected even in South Korea.

By the way for how horrible the US response has supposedly been we have so far tested the 7th most people in the entire world, this includes China at number 1 because of course they had about a 2 month head start on everyone else because they kept it a secret at first then told the world about it but wouldn't let any other country observe or collect data samples.

[Jeril]

Where are you getting this information? From all of the sources I have found they've done around 300k TOTAL, actually less but I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt here.

Considering South Korea has a population of 51 million that means they haven't even tested half a percent of their total population, meaning by no means have a clear picture of the total infected even in South Korea.

By the way for how horrible the US response has supposedly been we have so far tested the 7th most people in the entire world, this includes China at number 1 because of course they had about a 2 month head start on everyone else because they kept it a secret at first then told the world about it but wouldn't let any other country observe or collect data samples.

We should be NUMBER 111111!!!111

[Archigeek]

Where are you getting this information? From all of the sources I have found they've done around 300k TOTAL, actually less but I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt here.

Considering South Korea has a population of 51 million that means they haven't even tested half a percent of their total population, meaning by no means have a clear picture of the total infected even in South Korea.

By the way for how horrible the US response has supposedly been we have so far tested the 7th most people in the entire world, this includes China at number 1 because of course they had about a 2 month head start on everyone else because they kept it a secret at first then told the world about it but wouldn't let any other country observe or collect data samples.

You are correct. It's about 300,000 total. As of yesterday, the US had tested approximately 41,000. With a population 1/7th the US population, and roughly the same warning period, they've done 7x the number of tests. I explained previously why increased testing is important in spite of your claim.

[Tgo01]

We should be NUMBER 111111!!!111

Your face is number 1!!

[Archigeek]

Science Magazine has a great article on why testing and tracing of infections is so important. Which also answers the question, "what else could Trump have done?" More, faster testing, and tracking cases. Instead, see my list of quotes earlier for a chronology of his approach.

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/03/coronavirus-cases-have-dropped-sharply-south-korea-whats-secret-its-success

[Tgo01]

You are correct. It's about 300,000 total. As of yesterday, the US had tested approximately 41,000. With a population 1/7th the US population, and roughly the same warning period, they've done 7x the number of tests. I explained previously why increased testing is important in spite of your claim.

I didn't say more tests weren't important, I just said that NO country out there has tested a significant number of their citizens despite claims from Trump haters that South Korea is testing 300k people a day, which is why the information we have now is very unreliable and the Diamond Princess is the best sample data we have so far and from that data sample it looks like the entire world is overreacting.

What exactly is your theory by the way? Trump restricted travel from China, then from Europe, then from pretty much the entire world, put together a coronavirus task force while the WHO was still running interference for China, encouraged the entire economy to shut down for 2 weeks, is talking about spending trillions to give Americans money and prop up businesses, is putting a hold on foreclosures until the end of April, but at some point he said "Hey, guys! I have a great idea! LOL!! Get this! I want the CDC to design a test that will initially be wrong so we will have to delay the tests for another few days, then we will only have a few tests available...then....LOL! We will start ramping up testing about a week after that! Wouldn't that be the funniest thing ever?!"

[Tgo01]

https://twitter.com/wutingzy/status/1240661305792565248?s=20


Central China TV
“Expert” : “The US pushed out the vaccine so quickly, that only means they have been working on it way before the pandemic.”
Host: “So we can conclude that the US had this virus in their possession long ago”

Keep sucking that Chinese dick, Democrats.

[Tgo01]

Good news is it looks like the 18th came and went and that hospital in Seattle didn't have to literally let people die in the hallways and on the streets like the "journalist" predicated would happen by the 18th.

When are these doomsday journalists gonna take a page from the professional doomsayers and only give vague predictions as to the end of the world so no one can say they were technically wrong?

"I predict that some day there won't be enough hospital beds to care for everyone and hospitals will have to let people die in the hallways."

Okay but the pandemic came and went and this never happened in the US.

"I didn't say it would happen during THIS pandemic, SUCKER! LOL!!!"

[Gelston]

Minnesota Democratic Rep. Ilhan Omar unexpectedly praised President Trump's handling of the coronavirus pandemic on Wednesday night, saying it was "incredible and the right response in this critical time."

Omar, normally a staunch critic of the White House who herself has repeatedly drawn the president's ire, went on to quote Rep. Ayanna Pressley, D-Mass., as saying "unprecedented times require unprecedented leadership" -- and, Omar added, "we are seeing that in our country right now."

"Finally, we should never let politics get in the way of good policy," Omar concluded. "This is a great start and hope others will be part of a united front to push for good policies that will help us work through the economic anxiety the country is feeling right now."

Omar was responding to a post by The Intercept's Lee Fang, who noted: "Trump suspending mortgage foreclosures, demanding cash payments to Americans, now invoking the Defense Production Act to force private firms to produce needed supplies is incredible. Kind of a shell shock for anyone who reported on any economic policies in the Obama years."


.....wtf is happening in this country.

[Jeril]

Your face is number 1!!

And don't you forget it!

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Nothing pisses me off more than watching democrats try to ram through student debt forgiveness, single payer and all their other socialistic bullshit. Disgusting morally bankrupt piles of crap.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

If students get a $10k get out of debt for free pass, I also will just stop paying my bills. Like, why be responsible at all right? I'm going to start going to the food bank, not carry insurance on me, my house, my car. Why be responsible about anything. The government will bail me out right? I'm going to apply for some student loans right now and use them to pay off the new car I just bought. YEAH.

[Tgo01]

Even the NYT is calling bullshit on China's propaganda:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwqhvRcBrK4&feature=youtu.be

Bahh! Bahh!

[Tgo01]

Nothing pisses me off more than watching democrats try to ram through student debt forgiveness, single payer and all their other socialistic bullshit. Disgusting morally bankrupt piles of crap.

Isn't Warren also trying to push 15 dollar minimum wage during this shit too? She had like 10 demands before she would be on board and almost all of them were pushing for her bullshit presidential campaign promises.

[Tgo01]

China is now pushing out the propaganda that they the virus completely under control in their country but now they are being reinfected by the rest of the world.

So China is now claiming the US introduced the Chinese virus into their country, China bought the rest of the world time, China got a handle on the virus in their country, and now CHINA is the victim in all of this because any new infections they have are from the outside world.

Fuck China and anyone defending that piece of shit government.

[Gelston]

If students get a $10k get out of debt for free pass, I also will just stop paying my bills. Like, why be responsible at all right? I'm going to start going to the food bank, not carry insurance on me, my house, my car. Why be responsible about anything. The government will bail me out right? I'm going to apply for some student loans right now and use them to pay off the new car I just bought. YEAH.

If they get 10k, I should get 10k too.

[Tgo01]

Didn't Trump already postpone student loan payments for a month or two? Or maybe it was just the interest.

Either way what more do they want?

[Parkbandit]

Minnesota Democratic Rep. Ilhan Omar unexpectedly praised President Trump's handling of the coronavirus pandemic on Wednesday night, saying it was "incredible and the right response in this critical time."

Omar, normally a staunch critic of the White House who herself has repeatedly drawn the president's ire, went on to quote Rep. Ayanna Pressley, D-Mass., as saying "unprecedented times require unprecedented leadership" -- and, Omar added, "we are seeing that in our country right now."

"Finally, we should never let politics get in the way of good policy," Omar concluded. "This is a great start and hope others will be part of a united front to push for good policies that will help us work through the economic anxiety the country is feeling right now."

Omar was responding to a post by The Intercept's Lee Fang, who noted: "Trump suspending mortgage foreclosures, demanding cash payments to Americans, now invoking the Defense Production Act to force private firms to produce needed supplies is incredible. Kind of a shell shock for anyone who reported on any economic policies in the Obama years."


.....wtf is happening in this country.

Guaranteed, she will walk it back when she gets murdered on Twitter over her thoughtless comments. How the fuck dare she praise Donald Trump!?!?!??!?

[Parkbandit]

If students get a $10k get out of debt for free pass, I also will just stop paying my bills. Like, why be responsible at all right? I'm going to start going to the food bank, not carry insurance on me, my house, my car. Why be responsible about anything. The government will bail me out right? I'm going to apply for some student loans right now and use them to pay off the new car I just bought. YEAH.

I'm ready to sue the government if they do any sort of debt forgiveness. I paid for 2 kids to go to college by saving money for 18 years so I didn't have to take out loans.

[Tgo01]

I'm ready to sue the government if they do any sort of debt forgiveness. I paid for 2 kids to go to college by saving money for 18 years so I didn't have to take out loans.

insert Elizabeth Warren laughing here

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

If they get 10k, I should get 10k too.

Yep, that's where I am. If you are going to forgive debt through a government gift, you damn sure better give it to all the tax payers. People who don't pay taxes already get a gift every year from me.

[Neveragain]

China is now pushing out the propaganda that they the virus completely under control in their country but now they are being reinfected by the rest of the world.

So China is now claiming the US introduced the Chinese virus into their country, China bought the rest of the world time, China got a handle on the virus in their country, and now CHINA is the victim in all of this because any new infections they have are from the outside world.

Fuck China and anyone defending that piece of shit government.

Chinese operatives are flooding twitter and they're really bad at it.

[Gelston]

Yep, that's where I am. If you are going to forgive debt through a government gift, you damn sure better give it to all the tax payers. People who don't pay taxes already get a gift every year from me.

If they make college free for everyone (like K-12) and reimburse everyone that paid for it prior, I'd be cool with it. I'm honestly on board with making Community College and Public Trade schools free for all who graduate HS or get a GED.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

If they make college free for everyone (like K-12) and reimburse everyone that paid for it prior, I'd be cool with it. I'm honestly on board with making Community College and Public Trade schools free for all who graduate HS or get a GED.

I'm not. You think they'll "pay me back" for paying my own way through college 30 years ago?

[Gelston]

I'm not. You think they'll "pay me back" for paying my own way through college 30 years ago?

I think more skilled workers is good for the overall economy. More nurses, mechanics, electricians, welders, etc. The jobs we are always seemingly in short supply of. People would have no excuse to be stuck at McDonalds demanding a living wage to flip hamburgers if they had these options open to them for free. Get those jobs back to the 16 and 17 year olds it was made for. I think a vibrant economy is payment to us all. I'm not saying 4 year degrees, but community colleges are already cheap so it wouldn't really be anymore of a burden on tax payers than it is already.

[Gelston]

Also, there is an anti-malarial medication that has been around for about 80 years that shows promise against COVID-19. Bayer just donated like 3 million pills of it to the US Government for further testing. Supposedly it is a preventative and a treatment. Hope it works out.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Also, there is an anti-malarial medication that has been around for about 80 years that shows promise against COVID-19. Bayer just donated like 3 million pills of it to the US Government for further testing. Supposedly it is a preventative and a treatment. Hope it works out.

My wife works in healthcare and told me the same thing tonight. Sounds promising.

[Tgo01]

I think more skilled workers is good for the overall economy. More nurses, mechanics, electricians, welders, etc. The jobs we are always seemingly in short supply of. People would have no excuse to be stuck at McDonalds demanding a living wage to flip hamburgers if they had these options open to them for free. Get those jobs back to the 16 and 17 year olds it was made for. I think a vibrant economy is payment to us all. I'm not saying 4 year degrees, but community colleges are already cheap so it wouldn't really be anymore of a burden on tax payers than it is already.

I'm all for giving people a free ride for going into careers that the US needs. The problem is even when they have to pay their loans back they go to school for stupid degrees like women's studies and dance theory, making college free will just encourage more of this asinine bullshit and colleges will keep offering more and more dumb degrees.

[Gelston]

I'm all for giving people a free ride for going into careers that the US needs. The problem is even when they have to pay their loans back they go to school for stupid degrees like women's studies and dance theory, making college free will just encourage more of this asinine bullshit and colleges will keep offering more and more dumb degrees.

There wouldn't be any stupid degrees offered for free.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

There wouldn't be any stupid degrees offered for free.

If the government is giving free college, I can guarantee there would be an inordinate amount of stupid everything. You know it too.

[Parkbandit]

If the government is giving free college, I can guarantee there would be an inordinate amount of stupid everything. You know it too.

https://media1.giphy.com/media/6YNMn8b4O9IxW/giphy.gif

[Archigeek]

Also, there is an anti-malarial medication that has been around for about 80 years that shows promise against COVID-19. Bayer just donated like 3 million pills of it to the US Government for further testing. Supposedly it is a preventative and a treatment. Hope it works out.

I believe they're looking at 2 different antimalarial drugs. They've started testing on one at the U of M already, with volunteer subjects.

If you've ever taken them, some can really fuck you up. One of them can mess up you're head, but I don't recall which one it was, other than it was the one I decided not to take!

It would only be a preventative though, with a goal of cutting down the infection rate.

[Tgo01]

Trump eyes grounding jets, halting stock trading, ordering 'shelter in place' (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/trump-eyes-grounding-jets-halting-stock-trading-ording-shelter-in-place)

That figures. Been doing my part for the past 4 days by staying at home and going through my stockpiles of food and toilet paper and now it looks like I should have been like everyone else and doing shopping up until the very last minute.

Although I don't think it's going to be an enforced shelter in place with the army arresting people for being outside, probably more like a suggestion, although he already suggested a week ago and people didn't listen so maybe it will be enforced.

I really want to know if China is telling the truth on their numbers. How is it the rest of the world is losing their damn minds over this but China is claiming everything is okay over there? Are there no leaked videos coming out of China? Does China have everything on lockdown somehow?

[Astray]

I doubt we'll ever get actual numbers and not just a flat out lie. China didn't care who they were chaining up inside buildings and I can't imagine they plan to go room by room to check for sick people. They'll more likely be pulling dead out by the truckload per building or just burning entire buildings to the ground. Watch, shit is gonna get real bad in China.

[Tgo01]

California has issued a statewide order for residents to stay at home. Don't know if this is going to be enforced via police/national guard or is more of a suggestion, we shall see.

[~Rocktar~]

California has issued a statewide order for residents to stay at home. Don't know if this is going to be enforced via police/national guard or is more of a suggestion, we shall see.

They can't clean up human shit from the streets, what makes them think that they can keep millions of "I will do what I want, when I want, where I want" Commiefornians penned up for more than 2 seconds?

[Ashlander]

They can't clean up human shit from the streets, what makes them think that they can keep millions of "I will do what I want, when I want, where I want" Commiefornians penned up for more than 2 seconds?

Just tell them Trump wants everyone partying in the streets and it might work.

[Neveragain]

And now it looks like our government is starting to implode.

So far 5 senators are being accused of insider trading, using info from a private senate meeting on Jan. 24th concerning the China virus.

Senator Richard Burr
Senator Kelly Loefner
Senator Dianne Feinstein,
Senator Ron Johnson
Senator Jim Inhofe

[~Rocktar~]

Just tell them Trump wants everyone partying in the streets and it might work.

You may be on to something. I wonder what would happen if Trump came out in favor of breathing because it Yuge and everyone should do it?

[Archigeek]

And now it looks like our government is starting to implode.

So far 5 senators are being accused of insider trading, using info from a private senate meeting on Jan. 24th concerning the China virus.

Senator Richard Burr
Senator Kelly Loefner
Senator Dianne Feinstein,
Senator Ron Johnson
Senator Jim Inhofe

Burr is the only one I heard about. He also told a bunch of people at some $10,000 per person membership organization that it was going to be really bad... after assuring the public it was all fine. Too bad for him, someone secretly recorded it and leaked it to NPR.

He sold about half his net worth in stocks before the stock market imploded, including about 200,000 in hotel stocks that are less than half price now. I think Congress made themselves exempt from laws barring trading on government info, but you can hope that sharing it gets him a jail cell. Him and anyone else who did the same, hopefully.

[Neveragain]

Burr is the only one I heard about. He also told a bunch of people at some $10,000 per person membership organization that it was going to be really bad... after assuring the public it was all fine. Too bad for him, someone secretly recorded it and leaked it to NPR.

He sold about half his net worth in stocks before the stock market imploded, including about 200,000 in hotel stocks that are less than half price now. I think Congress made themselves exempt from laws barring trading on government info, but you can hope that sharing it gets him a jail cell. Him and anyone else who did the same, hopefully.

From what I understand, it's now illegal for them to use non-public information. This was passed some time ago and Burr, along with one other senator, voted against the bill.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Lock them all up. Every one of them is a criminal.

[Archigeek]

Lock them all up. Every one of them is a criminal.

A couple of them have made excuses that sound legit, but they should all be investigated and locked up if they're guilty.

[Tgo01]

Burr sold his stocks on Feb 13th, I had already started stocking up on food, water, and toilet paper by that time and I'm just some schmuck with no inside knowledge.

Also NPR claimed Burr's meeting on Feb 27th was some sort of super secret meeting with only the most powerful local business leaders or some shit, it was announced to the public and Burr wasn't even the one who organized or anything he was just a speaker, and there were plenty of regular people there as well, one of which was probably the one who recorded his speech. Also by Feb 27th there had already been over 60 confirmed cases in the US and over 80k in the world, it wasn't exactly a secret by then that shit might get real in the US.

This sounds like a trumped up story by our media in a time of crisis to try and score some political points. Notice how it's only the Republicans who are taking the most (only) heat and calls for investigations and resignations yet Dianne Feinstein gives a one off excuse and everyone is satisfied with her response?

[Tgo01]

Yup, "Four US" is trending on Twitter.

Of the 5 Senators accused of selling stocks with inside knowledge go ahead and guess which one is not being slandered all over Twitter right now? Go on, you get exactly 1 guess.

Here is a list in case you need a hint:

Ron Johnson (R)
Jim Inhofe (R)
Richard Burr (R)
Kelly Loefner (R)
Dianne Feinstein (D)

Which is funny because Loefner gave THE EXACT EXCUSE Feinstein did, which is she isn't even involved in the buying and selling of stocks and has someone else manage those decisions for her, only thing is Feinstein's excuse is even more pathetic because she's claiming her husband makes those decisions and she has nothing to do with it, which is about the dumbest excuse I can think of right now.

[Archigeek]

Yup, "Four US" is trending on Twitter.

Of the 5 Senators accused of selling stocks with inside knowledge go ahead and guess which one is not being slandered all over Twitter right now? Go on, you get exactly 1 guess.

Here is a list in case you need a hint:

Ron Johnson (R)
Jim Inhofe (R)
Richard Burr (R)
Kelly Loefner (R)
Dianne Feinstein (D)

Which is funny because Loefner gave THE EXACT EXCUSE Feinstein did, which is she isn't even involved in the buying and selling of stocks and has someone else manage those decisions for her.

Actually Feinstein said hers are held in blind trust.

Loefner excuse was that she had nothing to do with her husband's stocks, and that the trades are made by third parties. Mine are made by third parties too: I call up the third party and they make the trade.

I don't completely buy that blind trust are completely blind either to be honest. All of them should be investigated. If they did something wrong there will probably be plenty of evidence. The big question is whether or not Congress will protect their own or not.

By the way, the same thing only worse happened around the 1929 stock market crash.

[Tgo01]

Actually Feinstein said hers are held in blind trust.

That her husband manages.


Loefner excuse was that she had nothing to do with her husband's stocks, and that the trades are made by third parties.

You have this backwards, I'm sure it's just an innocent mistake though. Loefner is the one who said she has third party advisors who make these decisions for her, Feinstein is the one claiming she has nothing to do with her husband's stocks. Because you know if Feinstein did have insider knowledge it would have been impossible for her to tell her husband of said knowledge so he could sell some stocks.

Also Loefner is worth like half a billion dollars, a lot of people that wealthy have a team of professionals who handle their stocks and investments so it's not totally crazy to think she's telling the truth on this.

[Tgo01]

I'm not saying they are all for sure 100% innocent, I'm just saying what proof do we have so far of insider trading? Because NPR and The Daily Beast of all publications said so?

Burr, the face of this whole thing, sold his stocks on Feb 13th, that wasn't exactly at a time when no one knew what was happening in the world. Like I said I had already started stocking up on food, water, and toilet paper by this time, I don't find it completely unreasonable that a senator thought shit could get bad and decided to sell his stocks just in case, I'm sure a lot of people had the same feeling around that time.

[Tgo01]

Burr has apparently asked the chairman of the Senate ethics committee to open an investigation into his selling of stock so I guess we will find out some day.

[Archigeek]

That her husband manages.



You have this backwards, I'm sure it's just an innocent mistake though. Loefner is the one who said she has third party advisors who make these decisions for her, Feinstein is the one claiming she has nothing to do with her husband's stocks. Because you know if Feinstein did have insider knowledge it would have been impossible for her to tell her husband of said knowledge so he could sell some stocks.

Also Loefner is worth like half a billion dollars, a lot of people that wealthy have a team of professionals who handle their stocks and investments so it's not totally crazy to think she's telling the truth on this.

Pretty sure Feinstein is the one claiming her stocks are in a blind trust. Not sure about her husband's. Loeffler is making the third parties take care of it all claim. I'm pretty comfortable investigating all of them.

As for Burr and his meeting, it was The Tarheel Club, entry cost $10,000. I don't think we can equate that with "open to the public." February 13th was over 2 weeks was way before the public realized how bad this was. I think he's guilty as hell.

[Tgo01]

Pretty sure Feinstein is the one claiming her stocks are in a blind trust.

I guess you could be right, her office's statement is kind of confusing on this:


“All of Senator Feinstein’s assets are in a blind trust,” a spokesman, Tom Mentzer, said in a statement. “She has no involvement in her husband’s financial decisions.”

This makes it sound like her husband is the one who manages her trust, but I suppose these could be two different statements; HER stocks are in a blind trust and her husband also has stocks in his name that she has no control over, except if she really did have insider knowledge she could have easily told her husband and he could have sold his stocks based on said information.

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I guess you could be right, her office's statement is kind of confusing on this:



This makes it sound like her husband is the one who manages her trust, but I suppose these could be two different statements; HER stocks are in a blind trust and her husband also has stocks in his name that she has no control over, except if she really did have insider knowledge she could have easily told her husband and he could have sold his stocks based on said information.

That's how I read it, hers are in trust, he manages his own. Which makes zero legal sense and sounds totally exploitable.

Loeffler doesn't get a pass because of 3rd party management either. But Burr is the one that looks really bad.

Investigate them all, throw the book at the guilty.