Wuhan Virus

[Tgo01]

That’s the problem with RNA based viruses as I linked above as why, we can’t get herd immunity, as the viruses constantly mutate.

So there is no herd immunity, being infected and protect you from that strain of whatever virus you have, but any mutated viruses, you’ll have only partial protection, but not immunity.

Last I heard the Kung Flu isn't mutating fast enough for this to be a problem.

The reason the seasonal flu won't go away is because it mutates so fast that our body doesn't recognize it when we get infected again so doesn't produce antibodies to fight it.

The Kung Flu however hasn't shown this same rapid pace of mutations so with everything we know about how viruses work once someone is infected they should be immune to it. How long that immunity lasts isn't known, it again depends on how fast the virus mutates.

[Solkern]

Last I heard the Kung Flu isn't mutating fast enough for this to be a problem.

The reason the seasonal flu won't go away is because it mutates so fast that our body doesn't recognize it when we get infected again so doesn't produce antibodies to fight it.

The Kung Flu however hasn't shown this same rapid pace of mutations so with everything we know about how viruses work once someone is infected they should be immune to it. How long that immunity lasts isn't known, it again depends on how fast the virus mutates.


While that is quite possibly true, I have read reports that they have already found multiple strains of Covid running around the world.

[Tgo01]

While that is quite possibly true, I have read reports that they have already found multiple strains of Covid running around the world.

A different strain basically just means a mutation. Yeah the SARS-CoV-2 virus does mutate, just like all other viruses, but from what we have seen so far it doesn't mutate often so the different strains are still close enough to one another that our bodies should still treat all different strains as the same virus.

Again this is different from the seasonal flu which mutates so rapidly that our bodies think it's a completely different virus the next year or several years later.

There is really little reason to think SARS-CoV-2 is going to start rapidly mutating like the seasonal flu because real life isn't like the movies where a harmless rather stable virus suddenly starts mutating rapidly into a very dangerous virus.

[Solkern]

A different strain basically just means a mutation. Yeah the SARS-CoV-2 virus does mutate, just like all other viruses, but from what we have seen so far it doesn't mutate often so the different strains are still close enough to one another that our bodies should still treat all different strains as the same virus.

Again this is different from the seasonal flu which mutates so rapidly that our bodies think it's a completely different virus the next year or several years later.

There is really little reason to think SARS-CoV-2 is going to start rapidly mutating like the seasonal flu because real life isn't like the movies where a harmless rather stable virus suddenly starts mutating rapidly into a very dangerous virus.

You quite possibly could be right, and I hope you are, but at the same time, we know very little about this virus as well. It’s mutated from what we have tested, who really knows how many are out there and how drastic it will mutate in the future. It’s only been 6ish months.

[Tgo01]

You quite possibly could be right, and I hope you are, but at the same time, we know very little about this virus as well. It’s mutated from what we have tested, who really knows how many are out there and how drastic it will mutate in the future. It’s only been 6ish months.

The fact that it mutates slowly means the chances of it becoming more dangerous are pretty slim. It's just as likely to become less dangerous.

Actually there is a better chance for it to become less dangerous because now that politicians all over the world allowed the virus to flourish in nursing homes and killed off all of the people with weaker immune systems most of the hosts left for it are younger people with much stronger immune systems. This bears out in the stats as well for why back in March we had many fewer (confirmed) cases but many more people were dying compared to today.

Now that people in nursing homes are being better protected and vulnerable people outside of nursing homes know how to better protect themselves the virus has many fewer weaker hosts to infect and proliferate.

[Solkern]

This is basically the same logic with the "give up your guns" crowd.

"You are more likely to die with a gun in your house so you should get rid of it."
"It's not about whether you can be trusted with a gun, what if someone steals your gun and shoots someone."

I wear a mask but I really think people are making too big of a deal about others wearing a mask. Like if you're not comfortable being close to someone who is not wearing a mask here's a thought: stay away from that person.

People are still literally chasing people out of stores and pushing them around for not wearing a mask all the while tens of thousands of people are still taking to the streets to demand cities defund the police and no one even bats an eye at this.

Reporters are still calling beach goers murderers while hardly saying a word about rioters burning down cities.

School aged children are now several months behind on their education and in many parts of the US might miss out on another 1+ months of education while the CHAZ/CHOP country sprang up in the state of Washington and reporters and leftists politicians can't stop saying enough kind words about the murderous inhabitants.

Also wanted to add, if a store or company requires you to wear a mask, it’s their store, they make the rules in their store. Don’t like it, shop someplace else. This entire “I’m not going to wear a mask in your store, because I live in a free country” argument is retarded. Why do you stop at red lights? This is a free country! Such dumb logic some people have.

[Solkern]

The fact that it mutates slowly means the chances of it becoming more dangerous are pretty slim. It's just as likely to become less dangerous.

Actually there is a better chance for it to become less dangerous because now that politicians all over the world allowed the virus to flourish in nursing homes and killed off all of the people with weaker immune systems most of the hosts left for it are younger people with much stronger immune systems. This bears out in the stats as well for why back in March we had many fewer (confirmed) cases but many more people were dying compared to today.

Now that people in nursing homes are being better protected and vulnerable people outside of nursing homes know how to better protect themselves the virus has many fewer weaker hosts to infect and proliferate.


Yup, Again you could be totally correct, and I hope you are.

[Solkern]

a group of researchers in Brazil recently isolated SARS-CoV-2 from two patients confirmed to have COVID-19 and sequenced the complete genomes of both samples of the virus. They found that not only did the genomes differ from each other, but they were also very different from the genomes of the virus samples sequenced in Wuhan, China, the researchers wrote in a report that wasn't peer-reviewed but published on a forum on Feb. 28.

The coronavirus taken from one patient in Brazil had a genome similar to that of a virus sequenced in Germany, and the virus from the second patient resembled that of the coronavirus in the United Kingdom. That means these two patients are linked to cases in Europe but not to each other

https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-mutations.html

[Tgo01]

Media and Democrats for past ~2 weeks: OMG! Texas and Florida are the latest hot spots! Republican governors failed again!!!!!

Which state today broke triple digit deaths for the 5th time since the outbreak started and had the most deaths today which was nearly double the amount of the state with the second most deaths? California.

Which two states haven't broken triple digit deaths at all? Texas and Florida.

Media and Democrats, why are you the way that you are?

[Methais]

The single largest difference between the US and any other nation is they dealt with it on a national basis, the US instead let each state do it's own thing, or nothing at all, this spike is the direct result of that, and the then massive push to re-open and do it as fast as you could. Half the states ignored the guidelines the CDC published entirely, and many of those were to loose to start with. Single biggest issue individually in the US is the mask debate, and the insanity over it.

And you know, weeks of protests and riots with thousands of people packed together like sardines. Let's not forget about that.


watching videos and pictures from Texas, Arizona and Florida of people with less room then Sardines at beaches while their states fall apart is sort of scary.

Was it just as scary when people were packed like sardines protesting? Because lately the argument about that has been "It's ok because they were outside!"

Which one is scarier? Asking for Wyrom.

EDIT:


Arizona

https://i.gifer.com/8HPe.gif

Is this what you're talking about?
https://media.thedonald.win/thedonald/post/0yxer7Rc.jpeg

[Methais]

Most of America is fed up with this shit, just as they are fed up with the riots, BLM and all the racist Leftist garbage. Fortunately, Simutronics is in the process of fixing all of this.

Fixed.

[Methais]

We need herd immunity? We don’t even know if herd immunity is even possible, yet we need it? You act like you know 100% that herd immunity is the answer, maybe you should be leading the COVID-19 task force? Why doesn’t herd immunity work with the flu? Please, I’m interested in your answer to that. Why don’t we just get herd immunity with the flu, and never worry about it again? I mean you make it sound so simple.

I mean fuck, while we are at it, let’s get herd immunity to AIDS as well, let’s all go out and get AIDS, so we can become immune.

Next time you get the flu, don’t take medicine, don’t stay home, make sure you give it to everyone so we can all get the flu and have herd immunity and never deal with it again. Same goes with the common cold.

Oh yeah, I forgot.. that’s the funny thing about RNA based viruses, they constantly mutate and change and actually getting herd immunity is extremely difficult.
It’s already been reported that the COVID-19 viruses have already mutated across the world. So there goes herd immunity out the window.

You should never leave your house again until this entire thing is 100% over.

[ClydeR]

With coronavirus cases spiking and no end in sight, schools and day care centers may not fully reopen in the fall, triggering a massive child care crisis for millions of American workers.

More... (https://www.axios.com/coronavirus-schools-reopening-childcare-crisis-bfd0fff5-3c0f-48d2-9575-4414189ed396.html)


This will be a big deal this fall. It has enormous implications for the economy. It should be a focus of government planning. But you know the government will not plan. If you have young children, you need to start planning for yourself right now.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

That's what you get for having dreamkillers and germ donkeys.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

And why is it anyone's responsibility to take care of their children, except the family?

[ClydeR]

And why is it anyone's responsibility to take care of their children, except the family?


Because people pay a lot of money in taxes for schools to take care of their children 5 days a week.

[Solkern]

You should never leave your house again until this entire thing is 100% over.

Can’t do that, how am I going to spend the $100 I’m going to win from you on a strip club and blow if I stay home?!

[Solkern]

You should never leave your house again until this entire thing is 100% over.


On a serious note, I never implied, stay home, just saying we will never have herd immunity so don’t bank on that.
It’ll become a seasonal thing imo. Where we will develop medicine to help fight the symptoms.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Because people pay a lot of money in taxes for schools to take care of their children 5 days a week.

Think of it as a long summer.

I want 18 years of taxes back for the 1.9 dreamkillers I didn't have. And don't try to sell me on "everyone benefits from a more educated populace". I've seen the SJW and rioters our education system produces.

[RichardCranium]

Can’t do that, how am I going to spend the $100 I’m going to win from you on a strip club and blow if I stay home?!

When is the last time you did blow or went to a strip club? $100 isn't going to get you very far with either one.

[Solkern]

When is the last time you did blow or went to a strip club? $100 isn't going to get you very far with either one.

A long time ago. Well damn, now I need to change my plans. Thanks, ruined of dreams!

[Neveragain]

When is the last time you did blow or went to a strip club? $100 isn't going to get you very far with either one.

Can you even get good blow anymore?

I really don't know, the late 80's was the last I ever did cocaine and the quality was going down hill pretty rapidly.

[Solkern]

Can you even get good blow anymore?

I really don't know, the late 80's was the last I ever did cocaine and the quality was going down hill pretty rapidly.

Probably not, shits been stomped on so much, might as well just snort some B12

[Tgo01]

Because people pay a lot of money in taxes for schools to take care of their children 5 days a week.

Sounds like you're in support of local governments handing out property tax refunds to make up for schools being closed so parents can afford babysitters.

[Gelston]

Sounds like you're in support of local governments handing out property tax refunds to make up for schools being closed so parents can afford babysitters.

My parish has free lunch for all students. Then the state gave EBT cards to every family that was on free lunch... Every family in my Parish was eligible for one, regardless of income.

[Tgo01]

My parish has free lunch for all students. Then the state gave EBT cards to every family that was on free lunch... Every family in my Parish was eligible for one, regardless of income.

Communist.

[ClydeR]

Donald Trump has repeated a claim that the coronavirus is going to “just disappear”, as the United States announced a record number of new cases.

“I think we’re gonna be very good with the coronavirus. I think that at some point that’s going to, sort of, just disappear – I hope,” Mr Trump told Fox Business on Wednesday.

More... (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/trump-coronavirus-cases-us-fox-news-interview-today-covid-a9596631.html)


The nipples of Mother Hope have run dry.
That's from a famous movie.

[Tgo01]

Deaths in Arizona, Texas, and Florida STILL haven't exploded. How much longer do we wait until we admit that maybe the media is just hyping up fear and bullshit?

[~Rocktar~]

https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/106893724_3152320844807053_7615864306265003966_n.j pg?_nc_cat=104&_nc_sid=8024bb&_nc_ohc=KNnErq0M6C8AX9tDPtG&_nc_ht=scontent-atl3-1.xx&oh=d610fdf226092e2c1cc4055587b89e83&oe=5F20FB2F

[ClydeR]

Masks and social distancing will not be required at Trump's July 4 Mt. Rushmore event, as tweeted by Herman Cain, who has since been admitted to the hospital with coronavirus. Cain attended Trump's rally in Tulsa a few days ago.





https://i.imgur.com/rbXT4VT.png
https://twitter.com/THEHermanCain/status/1278444266881273856

[Alfster]

I heard the best way to pander to your elderly base is expose them to a virus that's far deadlier to them.

[Tgo01]

Deaths in Florida, Arizona, and Texas STILL haven't exploded.

In fact NY had more deaths today than Texas.

"They opened too early! We ignored data we didn't like and highlighted data we did to arrive at this conclusion!"

[Solkern]

https://us.yahoo.com/finance/news/coronavirus-update-us-sets-new-record-in-cases-as-more-officials-back-masks-in-public-161101651.html

Texas governor makes face mask mandatory.

[Tgo01]

No wonder the Democrats are pushing the Kung Flu panic porn again.

Estimated job gains in June: 2.9 million
Actual job gains: 4.8 million

Estimated unemployment rate for June: 12.4%
Actual unemployment rate: 11.1%

[Seran]

No wonder the Democrats are pushing the Kung Flu panic porn again.

Estimated job gains in June: 2.9 million
Actual job gains: 4.8 million

Estimated unemployment rate for June: 12.4%
Actual unemployment rate: 11.1%

Thank goodness Democrats have complete control over all forces of nature and living things. If things were left up to some nebulous and capricious deity, who knows what might happen then.

[Tgo01]

Thank goodness Democrats have complete control over all forces of nature and living things. If things were left up to some nebulous and capricious deity, who knows what might happen then.

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/12/55/95/125595a9a997e1982e478a6af380eba7.jpg

[Methais]

https://scontent.fbtr1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/106130285_2783773891840508_5452214538391484529_o.j pg?_nc_cat=109&_nc_sid=8024bb&_nc_ohc=1P-oCqZTSY0AX-epb5t&_nc_ht=scontent.fbtr1-1.fna&oh=e5d7fd076b4829713852da3fcdfb966b&oe=5F25F7E2

[Tgo01]

https://scontent.fbtr1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/106130285_2783773891840508_5452214538391484529_o.j pg?_nc_cat=109&_nc_sid=8024bb&_nc_ohc=1P-oCqZTSY0AX-epb5t&_nc_ht=scontent.fbtr1-1.fna&oh=e5d7fd076b4829713852da3fcdfb966b&oe=5F25F7E2

It's pretty sad that the media and Democrats so wanted this virus to remain and didn't want to give Trump a win that they actively pushed against a possible effective treatment for months.

[Tgo01]

Deaths in Arizona, Texas, and Florida STILL haven't exploded. How much longer do we wait until we admit that maybe the media is just hyping up fear and bullshit?

2 days later and the deaths still haven't exploded, in fact they are down in Texas and Arizona.

[Ashlander]

2 days later and the deaths still haven't exploded, in fact they are down in Texas and Arizona.

So you're saying the death toll is so high they won't report it?

[Tgo01]

So you're saying the death toll is so high they won't report it?

It’s the only logical conclusion.

[Seran]

https://scontent.fbtr1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/106130285_2783773891840508_5452214538391484529_o.j pg?_nc_cat=109&_nc_sid=8024bb&_nc_ohc=1P-oCqZTSY0AX-epb5t&_nc_ht=scontent.fbtr1-1.fna&oh=e5d7fd076b4829713852da3fcdfb966b&oe=5F25F7E2

Inaccurate study produces contradictory results, Trump is vindicated!


Rosenberg also pointed out that the Detroit paper excluded 267 patients -- nearly 10% of the study population -- who had not yet been discharged from the hospital.

He said this might have skewed the results to make hydroxychloroquine look better than it really was. Those patients might have still been in the hospital because they were very sick, and if they died, excluding them from the study made hydroxychloroquine look like more of a lifesaver than it really was.

"There's a little bit of loosey-goosiness here in all this," he told CNN.

[Ardwen]

You mean if you cherry pick patients you can make a study do almost anything? Shocking, and yes drug companies do this all the time.

[Parkbandit]

Inaccurate study produces contradictory results, Trump is vindicated!

lulz.

You've now sunk below CNN.

That sounds like a title opportunity.

[Seran]

You mean if you cherry pick patients you can make a study do almost anything? Shocking, and yes drug companies do this all the time.

That's the point. Multiple studies have disproved the effectiveness of hydroxychloroquine and in fact showed the increase of dangerous side effects induced by the drug. In this article, the non-blind, cherry picked group of individuals were tested. The study participants, whose co-morbidities were wildly disparate amongst the participant groups, were summarily excluded from the results if they were still hospitalized or were readmitted to the hospital. In total, this study which has failed peer review is unreliable at best. Further eschewing the results is the fact most of the hydroxychloroquine only participants had been treated with steroids. No control group was produced to exclude this factor.


Our results also require further confirmation in prospective, randomized controlled trials that rigorously evaluate the safety, and efficacy of hydroxychloroquine therapy for COVID-19 in hospitalized patients.

https://www.ijidonline.com/article/S1201-9712(20)30534-8/fulltext

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Inaccurate study produces contradictory results

Would it be fair to say we've heard of and had multiple studies come out for and against ever since Trump expressed interested in it?

Seems to indicate that team sports has invaded the scientific community as well now.

[time4fun]

Actually most have been against it. And this latest study- while it is at least somewhat promising- had a massive flaw in it. They weren't controlling for the presence of dexamethasone in the patient populations.

I believe the study showed that people on hydoxychloroquine (sp?) were twice as likely to survive as those who weren't. But they were also twice as likely to be on dexamethasone- which would be a heck of a coincidence.

But the real issue with what Trump did isn't about whether or not the drug works- it's that he had no idea whether or not it actually works when he suggested that people start trying it. We're in the middle of a pandemic, and- while surrounded by the top medical minds in the country- he decided to riff and start handing out medical advice on experimental treatments that the FDA hadn't actually approved. It was so deeply irresponsible and showed an abject lack of concern over the lives of the people he's supposed to be protecting.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Write another paragraph, cunt. It writes more or it gets the hose.

[Tgo01]

Actually most have been against it. And this latest study- while it is at least somewhat promising- had a massive flaw in it. They weren't controlling for the presence of dexamethasone in the patient populations.

I believe the study showed that people on hydoxychloroquine (sp?) were twice as likely to survive as those who weren't. But they were also twice as likely to be on dexamethasone- which would be a heck of a coincidence.

But the real issue with what Trump did isn't about whether or not the drug works- it's that he had no idea whether or not it actually works when he suggested that people start trying it. We're in the middle of a pandemic, and- while surrounded by the top medical minds in the country- he decided to riff and start handing out medical advice on experimental treatments that the FDA hadn't actually approved. It was so deeply irresponsible and showed an abject lack of concern over the lives of the people he's supposed to be protecting.

Trump just said he was hopeful of the drug and he was always clear that you should discuss it with your doctor. Stop getting force fed your news from CNN already.

[Ashlander]

Trump just said he was hopeful of the drug and he was always clear that you should discuss it with your doctor. Stop getting force fed your news from CNN already.

Maybe she's weaning herself off google now?

[Tgo01]

Maybe she's weaning herself off google now?

Well we know she has a PhD in bullshit, she probably has a PhD in journalist activism now too.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Like Journalism is even a real thing anymore. Or activism for that matter. It's all been destroyed by virtue signalers.

[Parkbandit]

Actually most have been against it. And this latest study- while it is at least somewhat promising- had a massive flaw in it. They weren't controlling for the presence of dexamethasone in the patient populations.

I believe the study showed that people on hydoxychloroquine (sp?) were twice as likely to survive as those who weren't. But they were also twice as likely to be on dexamethasone- which would be a heck of a coincidence.

But the real issue with what Trump did isn't about whether or not the drug works- it's that he had no idea whether or not it actually works when he suggested that people start trying it. We're in the middle of a pandemic, and- while surrounded by the top medical minds in the country- he decided to riff and start handing out medical advice on experimental treatments that the FDA hadn't actually approved. It was so deeply irresponsible and showed an abject lack of concern over the lives of the people he's supposed to be protecting.

You would have to be the most triggered, ignorant fuck to believe that Trump was handing out medical advice...

Oh hai time4fun.

Sorry Seran.. you just aren't ready for this title.

[time4fun]

Trump just said he was hopeful of the drug and he was always clear that you should discuss it with your doctor. Stop getting force fed your news from CNN already.

It takes some serious guts to run around accusing other people of not doing proper research and subsisting on highly partisan sources in a thread where you and your goons spent months claiming COVID was a hoax/not a big deal/less dangerous than the flu/the media is making this whole thing up/it'll be over any day now/etc.

As for Trump, as usual your knee-jerk defense of him leaves out important context.

From his Twitter account:

“HYDROXYCHLOROQUINE & AZITHROMYCIN, taken together, have a real chance to be one of the biggest game changers in the history of medicine.”

He very clearly did more than just express "hope" that the drug would work: (https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/3/21/21189469/trump-coronavirus-treatment-hydroxychloroquine-unproven-fauci-advice)

At his daily coronavirus press conference Saturday afternoon, Trump made a similar claim, and told reporters the hydroxychloroquine along with azithromycin, an antibiotic the study suggested be used in concert with hydroxychloroquine, is “going to be distributed” to New York and other states.


“What do we have to lose? I feel very good about it,” the president said. “We’re going to find out very shortly whether or not it’s going to work.”

Oh and then this gem (https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/18/trump-says-he-takes-hydroxychloroquine-to-prevent-coronavirus-infection.html):


“I happen to be taking it,” Trump said during a roundtable event at the White House. “A lot of good things have come out. You’d be surprised at how many people are taking it, especially the front-line workers. Before you catch it. The front-line workers, many, many are taking it.”

So, as usual, you are flat out incorrect. I assume at this point you'll commence with a series of personal attacks in a desperate attempt to change the subject. Or you'll just pretend like the quotes above mean something other than what they clearly mean on their face. Those are, after all, really the only two cards you carry in your deck.

[Parkbandit]

It takes some serious guts to run around accusing other people of not doing proper research and subsisting on highly partisan sources in a thread where you and your goons spent months claiming COVID was a hoax/not a big deal/less dangerous than the flu/the media is making this whole thing up/it'll be over any day now/etc.

As for Trump, as usual your knee-jerk defense of him leaves out important context.

So, as usual, you are flat out incorrect. I assume at this point you'll commence with a series of personal attacks in a desperate attempt to change the subject. Or you'll just pretend like the quotes above mean something other than what they clearly mean on their face. Those are, after all, really the only two cards you carry in your deck.

Damn, you are correct.... if you just ignore the parts like:

"have a real chance"
"I feel very good about it"

I do love how you ignore his context and everything he said to cherry pick out what you want... while criticizing tgo01, saying he is taking Trump out of context.

The total lack of self awareness you possess is one of the greatest assets you have to hold onto your championship belt for a very, very long time.

[Tgo01]

It takes some serious guts to run around accusing other people of not doing proper research and subsisting on highly partisan sources in a thread where you and your goons spent months claiming COVID was a hoax/not a big deal/less dangerous than the flu/the media is making this whole thing up/it'll be over any day now/etc.

Only in your fevered dreams did anyone call the virus a hoax. Some people (like myself because I'm almost right) said it would be like a bad flu season, while people like you said it had a death rate of over 4%. Now gee, considering a bad flu season could result in a 0.2% death rate and the death rate of the Kung Flu is currently sitting at around 0.5%, who was closer? The answer is me, I was closer, while people such as yourself were gorging on fear porn like your life depended on it.

As for the rest of your Trump rant, again, that's all Trump saying he's hopeful of the drug working. Not once did he ever tell people to take the drug without consulting their doctor and at least at one of his press conferences he specifically said people should consult their doctor first before taking the drug, since it requires a fucking prescription anyways.

Get off it already. You're just a CNN puppet.

[Tgo01]

LA Mayor today:


This 4th of July, we are celebrating differently. We’re not getting together with friends and family to slow the spread of COVID-19 and help keep our communities safe.

Have a safe weekend.

LA Mayor a couple of weeks ago:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EcHxyD6U8AATwMg?format=jpg&name=small

Gee I can't possibly imagine why anyone thinks the Democrats' response to the virus is nothing but a hoax and political.

[Methais]

Trump just said he was hopeful of the drug and he was always clear that you should discuss it with your doctor. Stop getting force fed your news from CNN already.It takes some serious guts to run around accusing other people of not doing proper research and subsisting on highly partisan sources in a thread where you and your goons spent months claiming COVID was a hoax/not a big deal/less dangerous than the flu/the media is making this whole thing up/it'll be over any day now/etc.

As for Trump, as usual your knee-jerk defense of him leaves out important context.

From his Twitter account:


He very clearly did more than just express "hope" that the drug would work: (https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/3/21/21189469/trump-coronavirus-treatment-hydroxychloroquine-unproven-fauci-advice)




Oh and then this gem (https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/18/trump-says-he-takes-hydroxychloroquine-to-prevent-coronavirus-infection.html):



So, as usual, you are flat out incorrect. I assume at this point you'll commence with a series of personal attacks in a desperate attempt to change the subject. Or you'll just pretend like the quotes above mean something other than what they clearly mean on their face. Those are, after all, really the only two cards you carry in your deck.

Remember like a week or 2 ago when you said you had Dreaven blocked on the PC?

https://media3.giphy.com/media/10tpZi2Ged3s8E/giphy.gif

[Tgo01]

254 deaths today, the lowest since March 23rd.

Not only that but NY once again had more deaths today than both Arizona and Florida.

But remember Texas, Florida, and Arizona opened too early and now everyone in those states are gonna die!!1!1111

I can picture the CNN headlines now: "Don't be fooled, the death count today was low because people were nice enough to not die on a federal holiday. End days are coming for states with Republican governors."

[Seran]

Only in your fevered dreams did anyone call the virus a hoax. Some people (like myself because I'm almost right) said it would be like a bad flu season, while people like you said it had a death rate of over 4%. Now gee, considering a bad flu season could result in a 0.2% death rate and the death rate of the Kung Flu is currently sitting at around 0.5%, who was closer? The answer is me, I was closer, while people such as yourself were gorging on fear porn like your life depended on it.

As for the rest of your Trump rant, again, that's all Trump saying he's hopeful of the drug working. Not once did he ever tell people to take the drug without consulting their doctor and at least at one of his press conferences he specifically said people should consult their doctor first before taking the drug, since it requires a fucking prescription anyways.

Get off it already. You're just a CNN puppet.

Republicans who have publicly called Covid-19 a hoax:

Donald Trump
Sean Hannity
Cynthia Brehm
Tom Speciale

No one takes more ot the misinformation cake about coronavirus information.

[Tgo01]

Republicans who have publicly called Covid-19 a hoax:

Donald Trump
Sean Hannity
Cynthia Brehm
Tom Speciale

No one takes more ot the misinformation cake about coronavirus information.

Quotes please. Thanks. FULL quotes that is, not taken out of context quotes.

[Ashlander]

LA Mayor today:



LA Mayor a couple of weeks ago:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EcHxyD6U8AATwMg?format=jpg&name=small

Gee I can't possibly imagine why anyone thinks the Democrats' response to the virus is nothing but a hoax and political.

So many people without masks or not wearing them right. It's a good thing the virus isn't allowed to infect anyone protesting.

[Tgo01]

So many people without masks or not wearing them right. It's a good thing the virus isn't allowed to infect anyone protesting.

Doesn't infect anyone protesting causes approved of by Democrats. It will sure as shit spread like wildfire across the whole state if a group of a dozen people protest the lockdowns.

Anyone remember this joker's lecture just a couple of weeks before the riots started about how he was literally banning people from stepping on dry sand at the beach and only wet sand was safe. Or maybe it was the other way around? I honestly don't remember which he said was allowed and which wasn't allowed because none of it made any fucking sense, then he threw all of that out the window to virtue signal with thousands of people all crowded together without a mask, only to throw that all away a couple of weeks later to once again lecture us on how we all need to stay home during 4th of July weekend to save lives.

Fuck assholes like this guy.

[Parkbandit]

Republicans who have publicly called Covid-19 a hoax:

Donald Trump
Sean Hannity
Cynthia Brehm
Tom Speciale

No one takes more ot the misinformation cake about coronavirus information.

No one said that Covid-19 is a hoax. Anyone with an IQ over 16 believes that Covid-19 is being used as a political weapon.

[Seran]

No one not on Fox News said that Covid-19 is a hoax. Anyone with an IQ over under 16 believes that Covid-19 is being used as a political weapon.

Fixed

[Parkbandit]

Fixed

Like everything else, you aren't even good at this...

[ClydeR]

No one said that Covid-19 is a hoax.


Trump used the word "hoax" in this video from The Lincoln Project, which is a group of prominent Republican politicos opposed to Trump's reelection. Lot of their ads at the link below. If Trump was not calling the virus a hoax, what did he mean instead?






https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gJgmkWJ6es
https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/07/04/nation/take-look-dozen-lincoln-projects-most-devastating-anti-trump-ads/

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

If Trump was not calling the virus a hoax, what did he mean instead?


If you google "this is the new hoax we have lost nobody" the first result will give you the full context of his quote. It's not that hard.


"Asked about his "hoax" comments, Trump said he was referring Democrats' response to his handling of the problem, not the virus itself."

[Parkbandit]

Trump used the word "hoax" in this video from The Lincoln Project, which is a group of prominent Republican politicos opposed to Trump's reelection. Lot of their ads at the link below. If Trump was not calling the virus a hoax, what did he mean instead?





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gJgmkWJ6es
https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/07/04/nation/take-look-dozen-lincoln-projects-most-devastating-anti-trump-ads/


Probably the way "people" like you are using it. Look at the source you are using to illustrate your point.. an anti-Trump video.

But hey, this is your very first post where you finally say what you mean. In another 13 years, you might actually post on your regular login without having to resort to your ClydeR "personality" protecting you.

Big step here today.. big, big step.

[ClydeR]

For your consideration..


The coronavirus is finding new victims worldwide, in bars and restaurants, offices, markets and casinos, giving rise to frightening clusters of infection that increasingly confirm what many scientists have been saying for months: The virus lingers in the air indoors, infecting those nearby.

If airborne transmission is a significant factor in the pandemic, especially in crowded spaces with poor ventilation, the consequences for containment will be significant. Masks may be needed indoors, even in socially-distant settings. Health care workers may need N95 masks that filter out even the smallest respiratory droplets as they care for coronavirus patients.

Ventilation systems in schools, nursing homes, residences and businesses may need to minimize recirculating air and add powerful new filters. Ultraviolet lights may be needed to kill viral particles floating in tiny droplets indoors.

The World Health Organization has long held that the coronavirus is spread primarily by large respiratory droplets that, once expelled by infected people in coughs and sneezes, fall quickly to the floor.

But in an open letter to the W.H.O., 239 scientists in 32 countries have outlined the evidence showing that smaller particles can infect people, and are calling for the agency to revise its recommendations. The researchers plan to publish their letter in a scientific journal next week.

More... (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/04/health/239-experts-with-1-big-claim-the-coronavirus-is-airborne.html)

[ClydeR]

"Asked about his "hoax" comments, Trump said he was referring Democrats' response to his handling of the problem, not the virus itself."

Trump made the "hoax" remark on February 28. What were Democrats saying in the days before February 28 that was a hoax? I assume he meant that Democrats were making it sound worse than Trump said it was. Did they say we would have more than eleven cases? That it would not disappear on its own? That it would cause more deaths than the flu? That we should take it seriously? What was the hoax?

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Yeah I'm not going to debate this when it's clear the facts won't change your mind. You can either believe he said the flu was a hoax or that the dems using it against him politically was a hoax. I mean, it was literally during the explosion of the pandemic that the dems were trying unsuccessfully to impeach him, and they immediately transitioned to this as impeachment failed. Only a child can't connect those dots.

[beldannon5]

So i have been reading some reports where nurses have sent unused swabs to be tested and they are coming back positive. The question becomes who can we trust?

Is there a virus going around? Yes. Is it near as many as they have said HELL no!

[Tgo01]

So i have been reading some reports where nurses have sent unused swabs to be tested and they are coming back positive. The question becomes who can we trust?

That's interesting, haven't heard that before but that's actually a good idea. If this is true that means either the tests are faulty or someone is purposefully trying to fudge the numbers.

[Tgo01]

254 deaths today, the lowest since March 23rd.

Not only that but NY once again had more deaths today than both Arizona and Florida.

But remember Texas, Florida, and Arizona opened too early and now everyone in those states are gonna die!!1!1111

I can picture the CNN headlines now: "Don't be fooled, the death count today was low because people were nice enough to not die on a federal holiday. End days are coming for states with Republican governors."

234 deaths today. Sure is nice of everyone to decide to not die on a holiday weekend and instead are holding off until Monday where we will undoubtedly have 4000+ deaths.

Oh yeah NY has once again topped the charts in the number of new deaths today, Arizona is way down there with 4. But something tells me the headlines won't read "Democrat governor of NY is still failing his people as NY once again has more deaths than every other state." Instead it will be "OMG!!! A surge of deaths in Texas, Arizona, and Florida is coming! I can feel it in my bones!"

I bet if Texas, Arizona, or Florida ever do top 100 deaths in a single day that will be the new narrative of everyone. "See? We told you it would happen. Sure it took several weeks longer than it took NY and other Democrat ran states, and sure we've been pushing the fear for well over 6 weeks now, but we were right!"

I bet Seran wrote up a post about this weeks ago but couldn't use it when the surge of deaths never came but he has the post saved in a notepad document just waiting for the day he can post it.

[beldannon5]

That's interesting, haven't heard that before but that's actually a good idea. If this is true that means either the tests are faulty or someone is purposefully trying to fudge the numbers.

This is from a conserative posting page on facebook, so you never know. However if true that is awful. it's mail in voter fraud all over

[Tgo01]

Estimates based on serology testing put the number of infected at anywhere from 10 times the number of confirmed cases all the way up to 80 times the number of confirmed cases.

Meaning right now the US has anywhere between 30 million total infected to 240 million, making the death rate between .44 and .055.

Sure glad we allowed a handful of "experts" to dictate policy for the whole world that told us our only hope of survival was to destroy the world economy and keep everyone locked in doors for months instead of doing obvious things like protecting people in nursing homes and other vulnerable people. The death rate would be half what it is now if we did that instead of shoving infected patients into nursing homes as fast as possible.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Seeing some articles about the 4th of July being one of the most celebrated ever. Videos of "illegal" fireworks in CA. KAG seems to be a common theme. I bet this frustrates the media.

[Tgo01]

Seeing some articles about the 4th of July being one of the most celebrated ever.

For sure in my area. Every year we have people in my neighborhood shooting off fireworks on the 4th but this year was crazy compared to past years. Not only were there more houses participating this year but they were firing off way more fireworks than the usually do, it almost felt like I was attending a fireworks show that a city or county put together.

My friend lives in a very populated area, like the entire area is just buildings, parking lots, and apartments, no real open land or parks or fields or anything, so therefore not many fireworks are set off, but he said this year there were a lot of fireworks going off.

[ClydeR]

The following video from Nate Silver of fivethirtyeight.com appeared on this morning's "This Week with George Stephanopoulos." In case anybody has forgotten, which won't happen as long as I have the strength to say, "I told you so," I argued for masks from the very beginning.

Some key points are that a nationwide mask requirement could save 5% of GDP, and states with mask requirements are seeing virus cases grow at half the rate of states without mask requirements.







https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EaPN-J6kRaE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EaPN-J6kRaE

[Jeril]

Seeing some articles about the 4th of July being one of the most celebrated ever. Videos of "illegal" fireworks in CA. KAG seems to be a common theme. I bet this frustrates the media.

I heard on the radio that fireworks sales in my area were up something like seven times the amount compared to last year.

[Gelston]

I went to Hot Springs. They have mask laws, but they were heavily ignored. The hotel bar and lobby area was packed every night.

[Methais]

The following video from Nate Silver of fivethirtyeight.com appeared on this morning's "This Week with George Stephanopoulos." In case anybody has forgotten, which won't happen as long as I have the strength to say, "I told you so," I argued for masks from the very beginning.

Some key points are that a nationwide mask requirement could save 5% of GDP, and states with mask requirements are seeing virus cases grow at half the rate of states without mask requirements.







https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EaPN-J6kRaE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EaPN-J6kRaE

No one cares about anything you post.

EDIT: Except Kerl

[Methais]

Suspected case of bubonic plague in China's Inner Mongolia (https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/06/asia/china-mongolia-bubonic-plague-intl-hnk-scli-scn/index.html)

If this is even true, then at this point China just needs to be removed from the planet.

[Ardwen]

Marmots in Mongolia have been plague carriers for centuries, people are constantly warned to not hunt or eat them. Sadly people are stupid.

[Gelston]

Marmots in Mongolia have been plague carriers for centuries, people are constantly warned to not hunt or eat them. Sadly people are stupid.

There are cases of plague springing up in Arizona and shit almost annually too, there are about 9 cases a year in the US as a whole. A kid caught it in Idaho in 2018, but it is rare that far north.

[Archigeek]

No one cares about anything you post.

Obviously you do, as you are unable to ignore a ClydeR post. You're kind of like the guy in the office who hits reply all to tell everyone not to reply all.

[Solkern]

For all of you claiming herd immunity is the way to go.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/07/06/health/spain-coronavirus-antibody-study-lancet-intl/index.html


Spain's large-scale study on the coronavirus indicates just 5% of its population has developed antibodies, strengthening evidence that a so-called herd immunity to Covid-19 is "unachievable," the medical journal the Lancet reported on Monday

[Gelston]

For all of you claiming herd immunity is the way to go.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/07/06/health/spain-coronavirus-antibody-study-lancet-intl/index.html


Spain's large-scale study on the coronavirus indicates just 5% of its population has developed antibodies, strengthening evidence that a so-called herd immunity to Covid-19 is "unachievable," the medical journal the Lancet reported on Monday

Supposedly the antibodies go away pretty quick.

[~Rocktar~]

For you all you claiming herd immunity is the way to go.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/07/06/health/spain-coronavirus-antibody-study-lancet-intl/index.html


Spain's large-scale study on the coronavirus indicates just 5% of its population has developed antibodies, strengthening evidence that a so-called herd immunity to Covid-19 is "unachievable," the medical journal the Lancet reported on Monday

Equally unachievable, to lock down indefinitely, continue to throttle the economy and manipulate and control the people for a disease with far less than a 1% mortality rate. Especially since the real mortality rate is something on the order of 0.3%.

[Ardwen]

How is it Europe and new Zealand managed to totally control the Virus thru lockdowns and contact tracing and testing? Yet we somehow are incapable of doing the same?

[Solkern]

Equally unachievable, to lock down indefinitely, continue to throttle the economy and manipulate and control the people for a disease with far less than a 1% mortality rate. Especially since the real mortality rate is something on the order of 0.3%.


Have you thought, for example let’s compare the EU to America, and each country in Europe is like a state in America.
Europe was unified in completely shutting down everything for 3-4 months, and now they are opening up, economies are coming back to life, while America was a disjointed response between states and federal government, and now we are shutting down again.

So your basis of locking down indefinitely could have been avoided if they took a similar approach to the EU. Just saying’.

Edited: and A LOT of those EU countries had next to nothing in coronavirus cases, but they STILL shut down for 3+ months, when they “didn’t have to.” According to your logic.

[Solkern]

Supposedly the antibodies go away pretty quick.

Yeah, and the virus mutates, so these antibodies only provide partial protection.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Have you thought, for example let’s compare the EU to America, and each country in Europe is like a state in America.
Europe was unified in completely shutting down everything for 3-4 months, and now they are opening up, economies are coming back to life, while America was a disjointed response between states and federal government, and now we are shutting down again.

So your basis of locking down indefinitely could have been avoided if they took a similar approach to the EU. Just saying’.

Edited: and A LOT of those EU countries had next to nothing in coronavirus cases, but they STILL shut down for 3+ months, when they “didn’t have to.” According to your logic.

I'll refer you again to the data I provided before - which shows European countries leading the world in deaths per million.

GO EU.

[Risen]

I have been trying to track the medical and research data without good luck. While it is a fact that viruses, specifically the coronavirus family mutate, there has not been enough time to successfully track the mutation of the novel-coronavirus or SARS-CoV-2 that causes COVID-19. Likewise it is a challenge to sort through the short-term implications including hospitalization and resultant death and the potentially more disturbing long-term effects that are just beginning to be reported and evaluated.

Now we add to the mix that the antibodies from contracting and surviving COVID-19 may not be present even over the duration of a season. This discovery if proven accurate is not the result of a mutation in the virus. We would detect the antibodies and still see sick people. If there are no detectable antibodies present in a prior COVID-19 survivor the implications to immunizations are staggering. At this point I can only hope that significant and explainable errors exist in the data. I cannot see continuing as we have been as a reasonable response, no matter what continuing as we have been means.

[Solkern]

I'll refer you again to the data I provided before - which shows European countries leading the world in deaths per million.

GO EU.

Yup, I understand that, but according to rocktar, tg01, and countless others, those deaths are fake and not related to actual Covid deaths, or are they real now because it fits a narrative they want? They can’t count deaths when it benefits the story they push, and then call it fake when it doesn’t... or are they only fake in America? which is it?

[Methais]

Marmots in Mongolia have been plague carriers for centuries, people are constantly warned to not hunt or eat them. Sadly people are stupid.

https://i.imgflip.com/ezlkk.jpg

[Methais]

Obviously you do, as you are unable to ignore a ClydeR post. You're kind of like the guy in the office who hits reply all to tell everyone not to reply all.

That's not how this works, sorry.

Plus, I would have to read what he's posting in order to care about it.

I'm glad to see that you're fascinated by him though.

Regardless, I have edited the post you quoted (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?123222-Wuhan-Virus&p=2159487#post2159487), for accuracy.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Yup, I understand that, but according to rocktar, tg01, and countless others, those deaths are fake and not related to actual Covid deaths, or are they real now because it fits a narrative they want? They can’t count deaths when it benefits the story they push, and then call it fake when it doesn’t... or are they only fake in America? which is it?

Fake or not, some big European countries have more deaths per million than us. I don't know how to argue results if you don't want to believe them.

[Solkern]

Fake or not, some big European countries have more deaths per million than us. I don't know how to argue results if you don't want to believe them.

Oh, I fully believe them.

[~Rocktar~]

Oh, I fully believe them.

Except you don't when it suits you to make an asinine argument. I never said the virus was fake or that people didn't die from it. Never. Yet this is your go to Leftist callout to the absurd because you know you are wrong. Especially since about 1/4 of the US deaths to date are in nursing homes in 3 states where your darling lockdown king governors shoved infected people into nursing homes not equipped to deal with it.

Europe didn't manage shit, they didn't completely lock down, several countries did partials and one didn't do any and they are doing about the same as we are.

The Left is doing this for political power, hoping to carry this on until the election because they know they can't win otherwise.

You and everyone else on the Left lost any credibility when you weren't out screaming bloody murder about the protests and riots. We are done with your fake BS, we are done with the manipulation and control and we are done with Leftism.

[Keller]

One thing I'd like more information on is this theory that Democratic governors forced COVID-19 patients into nursing homes. Usually every conspiracy theory has a nugget of truth - what is the nugget there?

[Solkern]

Except you don't when it suits you to make an asinine argument. I never said the virus was fake or that people didn't die from it. Never. Yet this is your go to Leftist callout to the absurd because you know you are wrong. Especially since about 1/4 of the US deaths to date are in nursing homes in 3 states where your darling lockdown king governors shoved infected people into nursing homes not equipped to deal with it.

Europe didn't manage shit, they didn't completely lock down, several countries did partials and one didn't do any and they are doing about the same as we are.

The Left is doing this for political power, hoping to carry this on until the election because they know they can't win otherwise.

You and everyone else on the Left lost any credibility when you weren't out screaming bloody murder about the protests and riots. We are done with your fake BS, we are done with the manipulation and control and we are done with Leftism.

Ive never once said the Covid deaths were fake, I’ve always believed the reports, show me where I posted otherwise.
I’ve commented next to nothing about the protest. Almost nothing, I think I made two comments. “I support the true BLM movement, not the antifa or looters at all”. And “it’s not just the protest causing the uptick in coronavirus cases, it’s also states reopening.”. Show me where I’ve said otherwise.
All because I’m not doing what you think I should be doing, I’ve lost credibility, like earning credibility to you is that important?

[Tgo01]

Yup, I understand that, but according to rocktar, tg01, and countless others, those deaths are fake and not related to actual Covid deaths, or are they real now because it fits a narrative they want? They can’t count deaths when it benefits the story they push, and then call it fake when it doesn’t... or are they only fake in America? which is it?

When did I say deaths in the EU are fake? I haven’t read any stories of EU counting drug overdoses and “suspected” cases of Kung Flu as Kung Flu but if they are pulling the same shit as some US states are doing then some of their deaths are suspect too.

[Tgo01]

Supposedly the antibodies go away pretty quick.

I don’t think their has been a documented case of someone being infected twice yet.

Every case so far is believed to be a false positive/negative or the virus remains in a person’s system in large enough quantities to show up positive on a test weeks later but the virus is mostly dead and isn’t really infecting others.

[Tgo01]

One thing I'd like more information on is this theory that Democratic governors forced COVID-19 patients into nursing homes. Usually every conspiracy theory has a nugget of truth - what is the nugget there?

Are you fucking serious? It’s like a whole scandal in NY, several Democrat governors had similar policies.

Did you hear the story about that black man beating the shit out of white residents in a nursing home? Probably not since he was a black man beating the shit out of old white people but look it up, it happened in a Detroit nursing home.

But why was a 20 something year old patient in a nursing home to begin with? He was sent there because he had fucking COVID-19. And why was he sent to a nursing home to recover from the Wuhan Flu? Because of your favorite governor Hitler.

[Tgo01]

Are you fucking serious? It’s like a whole scandal in NY, several Democrat governors had similar policies.

Did you hear the story about that black man beating the shit out of white residents in a nursing home? Probably not since he was a black man beating the shit out of old white people but look it up, it happened in a Detroit nursing home.

But why was a 20 something year old patient in a nursing home to begin with? He was sent there because he had fucking COVID-19. And why was he sent to a nursing home to recover from the Wuhan Flu? Because of your favorite governor Hitler.

Here you go, I looked it up for you so you have no excuses:

20-year-old beating suspect was moved to nursing home because he has COVID-19, says father (https://www.wxyz.com/news/region/detroit/20-year-old-beating-suspect-was-moved-to-nursing-home-because-he-has-covid-19-says-father)


He said his son was recently moved to the nursing center because the 20-year-old was diagnosed with COVID-19 at the University of Michigan Hospital.

The father said he's been working with Washtenaw County Mental Health Services to get his son the help he needs and that he was placed in a group home in Chelsea. But, recently, he said his son began hearing voices and that's when he was taken to the hospital and it was there he says that his son was diagnosed with COVID-19.

"He never should have been housed... quarantined with the victim that he eventually assaulted. That should have never happened," he said. "Someone dropped the ball."

Another source. (https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/detroit-city/2020/05/27/police-probe-2nd-nursing-home-beating-video-as-alleged-victims-family-plans-lawsuit/5266403002/)


Wayne County Sheriff's spokeswoman Pageant Atterberry said Hayden is in quarantine as he is tested for COVID-19, which is protocol for all incoming prisoners.

Yeah that's right. Diagnosed with Wuhan Flu in Michigan and you're a free person? You go to a nursing home and get an old man as a roommate to get better. Diagnosed with Wuhan Flu and you're in jail? You get quarantined away from other prisoners so you don't infect them too.

But you really don't give a shit about all of this do you, Keller? You will gladly vote for governor Hitler again in a heartbeat while telling people like me that I don't really care about great aunt Sally.

[Neveragain]

In all honesty, I don't think there was any stopping this in the first place.

The starting symptoms are hardly even noticeable. I have been stuck at home since late November, so I don't even know how I contracted it. I'm going on 6 weeks now and both my ears and my stomach are still being a pain in the ass.

Then there's my stubborn ass mother, who just recovered from lung cancer last year and still insisted working her part-time job as a cashier. She has somehow, completely avoided contracting the virus. It was not until her oncologist gave her a tongue lashing that she decided to leave her job a couple weeks ago.

[Keller]

Here you go, I looked it up for you so you have no excuses:

20-year-old beating suspect was moved to nursing home because he has COVID-19, says father (https://www.wxyz.com/news/region/detroit/20-year-old-beating-suspect-was-moved-to-nursing-home-because-he-has-covid-19-says-father)



Another source. (https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/detroit-city/2020/05/27/police-probe-2nd-nursing-home-beating-video-as-alleged-victims-family-plans-lawsuit/5266403002/)



Yeah that's right. Diagnosed with Wuhan Flu in Michigan and you're a free person? You go to a nursing home and get an old man as a roommate to get better. Diagnosed with Wuhan Flu and you're in jail? You get quarantined away from other prisoners so you don't infect them too.

But you really don't give a shit about all of this do you, Keller? You will gladly vote for governor Hitler again in a heartbeat while telling people like me that I don't really care about great aunt Sally.


Thanks.

I appreciate you sharing those news stories.

Why do you believe Governor Whitmer was involved in the decision to place the 20 year old crazy man in a rehabilitation center?

I agree with the assailant's father that someone dropped the ball housing him with an elderly man. I am just looking for some explanation of who you think dropped the ball and why.

[Viekn]

Here you go, I looked it up for you so you have no excuses:

20-year-old beating suspect was moved to nursing home because he has COVID-19, says father (https://www.wxyz.com/news/region/detroit/20-year-old-beating-suspect-was-moved-to-nursing-home-because-he-has-covid-19-says-father)



Another source. (https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/detroit-city/2020/05/27/police-probe-2nd-nursing-home-beating-video-as-alleged-victims-family-plans-lawsuit/5266403002/)



Yeah that's right. Diagnosed with Wuhan Flu in Michigan and you're a free person? You go to a nursing home and get an old man as a roommate to get better. Diagnosed with Wuhan Flu and you're in jail? You get quarantined away from other prisoners so you don't infect them too.

But you really don't give a shit about all of this do you, Keller? You will gladly vote for governor Hitler again in a heartbeat while telling people like me that I don't really care about great aunt Sally.

Is there something you can point to where non-elderly Covid patients were officially directed to be put in nursing homes? I haven't found anything yet either, but here's that same news outlet with a story about it being false, but they don't seem to point to anything concrete either...

https://www.wxyz.com/news/coronavirus/its-just-plain-false-state-did-not-order-nursing-homes-to-take-covid-19-patients-whitmer-says

[Solkern]

When did I say deaths in the EU are fake? I haven’t read any stories of EU counting drug overdoses and “suspected” cases of Kung Flu as Kung Flu but if they are pulling the same shit as some US states are doing then some of their deaths are suspect too.


You have repeatedly posted, coronavirus deaths and causes, are inflated, those numbers aren’t real, doctors are labeling anyone that dies or gets sick as a coronavirus victim” you’ve also posted countless links about this as well.
So this statement only refers to America? So the COVID-19 death count and case count are legit in Europe, but not America?
You’ve also repeatedly said that this is not a real pandemic, the death and case counts are a political ploy....(maybe is was someone else like fortybox or rocktar) but in Europe the pandemic, cases and deaths are real and not political?

I’m just trying understand your exact position on this. Because a world wide pandemic can be real, except in America? and it can be a political ploy just in America, but not anywhere else in the world?

[beldannon5]

also i have read and heard that if someone has multiple tests done they are counting them more then once. so if i test positive and then in a week go again or a couple days and test again they count it. yes it's awful and there is a pandemic, but I feel it definetly is being pushed out as an agenda by certain parties who will remain nameless

[Ashlander]

https://nypost.com/2020/05/29/new-yorks-nursing-home-horrors-are-even-worse-than-you-think/
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/ap-count-4300-virus-patients-ny-nursing-homes-70825470
https://www.propublica.org/article/fire-through-dry-grass-andrew-cuomo-saw-covid-19-threat-to-nursing-homes-then-he-risked-adding-to-it

Just a few that google pulled up.

[Tgo01]

Thanks.

I appreciate you sharing those news stories.

Why do you believe Governor Whitmer was involved in the decision to place the 20 year old crazy man in a rehabilitation center?

I agree with the assailant's father that someone dropped the ball housing him with an elderly man. I am just looking for some explanation of who you think dropped the ball and why.

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/opinion/editorials/2020/05/20/editorial-whitmer-order-endangers-nursing-homes-end-now/5220929002/


In mid-April Whitmer issued an executive order that ultimately instructed many of the state's nursing homes to accept COVID-19 patients. That put other residents in jeopardy, and may well have contributed to the high death rate in Michigan nursing homes.

About a third of COVID-19 deaths in the U.S. have been at nursing homes, and the same is true in Michigan, according to some estimates — although the state Department of Health and Human Services hasn’t been able to offer concrete numbers.

New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo had put in place a similar policy, but recently backtracked when it became evident the harm that was being done to the population most vulnerable to the virus — the ill and elderly.

[Tgo01]

Is there something you can point to where non-elderly Covid patients were officially directed to be put in nursing homes? I haven't found anything yet either, but here's that same news outlet with a story about it being false, but they don't seem to point to anything concrete either...

https://www.wxyz.com/news/coronavirus/its-just-plain-false-state-did-not-order-nursing-homes-to-take-covid-19-patients-whitmer-says

Another Democrat governor with blood on their hands blaming the CDC? It's as if all of the Democrats who ordered this shit got together and decided to blame the CDC for something the CDC never said.

[Tgo01]

You have repeatedly posted, coronavirus deaths and causes, are inflated,

I didn't say Europe's numbers were fake. If you have any stories to share where government officials in Europe literally admit to adding drug overdoses and "suspected" Wuhan virus deaths as official deaths then I'll call into question Europe's numbers too.

Like why is this even up for debate? Officials in some US states aren't even trying to cover up that they are inflating the numbers.

[time4fun]

https://nypost.com/2020/05/29/new-yorks-nursing-home-horrors-are-even-worse-than-you-think/
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/ap-count-4300-virus-patients-ny-nursing-homes-70825470
https://www.propublica.org/article/fire-through-dry-grass-andrew-cuomo-saw-covid-19-threat-to-nursing-homes-then-he-risked-adding-to-it

Just a few that google pulled up.

You do realize that the nursing home rules they put into place were directly from the Trump Administration's guidelines, right?

[Tgo01]

You do realize that the nursing home rules they put into place were directly from the Trump Administration's guidelines, right?

No wonder Democrat governors push this lie so much, worthless shit stains such as time4fun gobble that shit up like it's candy.

[Ashlander]

You do realize that the nursing home rules they put into place were directly from the Trump Administration's guidelines, right?

Yeah no, he reduced infection oversight into nursing homes which I do agree was a dumb move but he sure as fuck didn't tell anyone to pack people with covid into them.

[Seran]

I didn't say Europe's numbers were fake. If you have any stories to share where government officials in Europe literally admit to adding drug overdoses and "suspected" Wuhan virus deaths as official deaths then I'll call into question Europe's numbers too.

Like why is this even up for debate? Officials in some US states aren't even trying to cover up that they are inflating the numbers.

What about states like Florida and Texas which are deliberately hiding the number of coronavirus deaths?

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

What about states like Florida and Texas which are deliberately hiding the number of coronavirus deaths?

Surely you have proof of this right? Like, literal proof.

[Tgo01]

Surely you have proof of this right? Like, literal proof.

Took the words outta my mouth.

I eagerly await your links, Seran. But I won't be holding my breath because I know how this will go.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

You do realize that the nursing home rules they put into place were directly from the Trump Administration's guidelines, right?

CUNT WINNAR!!!111oneone

So blind, yet such a cunt.

[Tgo01]

234 deaths today. Sure is nice of everyone to decide to not die on a holiday weekend and instead are holding off until Monday where we will undoubtedly have 4000+ deaths.

Oh yeah NY has once again topped the charts in the number of new deaths today, Arizona is way down there with 4. But something tells me the headlines won't read "Democrat governor of NY is still failing his people as NY once again has more deaths than every other state." Instead it will be "OMG!!! A surge of deaths in Texas, Arizona, and Florida is coming! I can feel it in my bones!"

I bet if Texas, Arizona, or Florida ever do top 100 deaths in a single day that will be the new narrative of everyone. "See? We told you it would happen. Sure it took several weeks longer than it took NY and other Democrat ran states, and sure we've been pushing the fear for well over 6 weeks now, but we were right!"

I bet Seran wrote up a post about this weeks ago but couldn't use it when the surge of deaths never came but he has the post saved in a notepad document just waiting for the day he can post it.

361 deaths today and deaths still haven't exploded in Texas, Florida, or Arizona. In fact all 3 are below 50 again today.

[Viekn]

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/opinion/editorials/2020/05/20/editorial-whitmer-order-endangers-nursing-homes-end-now/5220929002/

In mid-April Whitmer issued an executive order that ultimately instructed many of the state's nursing homes to accept COVID-19 patients. That put other residents in jeopardy, and may well have contributed to the high death rate in Michigan nursing homes.

About a third of COVID-19 deaths in the U.S. have been at nursing homes, and the same is true in Michigan, according to some estimates — although the state Department of Health and Human Services hasn’t been able to offer concrete numbers.

New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo had put in place a similar policy, but recently backtracked when it became evident the harm that was being done to the population most vulnerable to the virus — the ill and elderly.

Here is a list of all executive orders from the governor of Michigan during the pandemic: https://www.clickondetroit.com/news/local/2020/06/03/here-are-all-108-executive-orders-issued-by-michigan-gov-whitmer-during-covid-19-pandemic/

Near as I can tell from your linked article, this might be the one in question: https://www.michigan.gov/whitmer/0,9309,7-387-90499_90705-525942--,00.html

I more or less read every part of that order and I don't see where it's directing anyone to put non-residents of the nursing homes who tested positive for Covid in to nursing homes. I'm not saying I know everything, but you are making this claim. Can you back it up that this was actually stated in the executive order I linked or any other order in that list I linked?

[time4fun]

CUNT WINNAR!!!111oneone

So blind, yet such a cunt.

Awww poor angry little boy. Doesn't really have a response, can't win on merits, so jumps right into a temper tantrum.

You know- suddenly your taste in Presidents makes perfect sense.

I'll give you this though- at least you recognize when you have nothing of substance to offer. Kudos kid!

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Awww poor angry little boy. Doesn't really have a response, can't win on merits, so jumps right into a temper tantrum.

You know- suddenly your taste in Presidents makes perfect sense.

I'll give you this though- at least you recognize when you have nothing of substance to offer. Kudos kid!

giggle

[Tgo01]

Here is a list of all executive orders from the governor of Michigan during the pandemic: https://www.clickondetroit.com/news/local/2020/06/03/here-are-all-108-executive-orders-issued-by-michigan-gov-whitmer-during-covid-19-pandemic/

Near as I can tell from your linked article, this might be the one in question: https://www.michigan.gov/whitmer/0,9309,7-387-90499_90705-525942--,00.html

I more or less read every part of that order and I don't see where it's directing anyone to put non-residents of the nursing homes who tested positive for Covid in to nursing homes. I'm not saying I know everything, but you are making this claim. Can you back it up that this was actually stated in the executive order I linked or any other order in that list I linked?

My guess is this part:


A long-term care facility must not prohibit admission or readmission of a resident based on COVID-19 testing requirements or results in a manner that is inconsistent with relevant guidance issued by the Department of Health and Human Services (“DHHS”).

So nursing homes couldn't deny admission of a resident based on COVID-19 test results. Sounds like the hospital he was originally at found a loophole to get rid of him by sending him to a nursing home who wasn't allowed to deny him because of his positive case of Wuhan flu.

In any event these Democrat governors should have been finding ways to move positive patients OUT of nursing homes, rather than forcing nursing homes to accept infected patients.

[Viekn]

In any event these Democrat governors should have been finding ways to move positive patients OUT of nursing homes, rather than forcing nursing homes to accept infected patients.

Like this?...

https://www.michigan.gov/whitmer/0,9309,7-387-90499_90705-525942--,00.html

A nursing home with a census below 80% must create a unit dedicated to the care of COVID-19-affected residents (“dedicated unit”) and must provide appropriate PPE, as available, to direct-care employees who staff the dedicated unit. A nursing home provider that operates multiple facilities may create a dedicated unit by dedicating a facility for such a purpose.


A long-term care facility must adhere to the following protocol with respect to a COVID-19-affected resident who is medically stable:
If the long-term care facility has a dedicated unit and provides appropriate PPE to the direct-care employees who staff the dedicated unit, the facility must transfer the COVID-19-affected resident to its dedicated unit.


If the long-term care facility does not have a dedicated unit or does not provide appropriate PPE to the direct-care employees who staff the dedicated unit, it must transfer the COVID-19-affected resident to a regional hub, if one is available to accept the resident. If no regional hub is available to accept the transfer of the COVID-19-affected resident, the long-term care facility must attempt to send the resident to a hospital within the state that has available bed capacity. If no hospital will admit the COVID-19-affected resident, the long-term care facility must transfer the resident to an alternate care facility.

[Tgo01]

Like this?...

https://www.michigan.gov/whitmer/0,9309,7-387-90499_90705-525942--,00.html

No I mean like nursing homes shouldn't have been forced to accept Wuhan virus patients and anyone infected should have been moved out, not allow nursing homes to setup separate areas of the nursing home for COVID-19 patients, which is exactly what happened.

[Viekn]

No I mean like nursing homes shouldn't have been forced to accept Wuhan virus patients and anyone infected should have been moved out, not allow nursing homes to setup separate areas of the nursing home for COVID-19 patients, which is exactly what happened.

You mean like this?...


If the long-term care facility does not have a dedicated unit or does not provide appropriate PPE to the direct-care employees who staff the dedicated unit, it must transfer the COVID-19-affected resident to a regional hub, if one is available to accept the resident. If no regional hub is available to accept the transfer of the COVID-19-affected resident, the long-term care facility must attempt to send the resident to a hospital within the state that has available bed capacity. If no hospital will admit the COVID-19-affected resident, the long-term care facility must transfer the resident to an alternate care facility.

If not this, then where?

[Tgo01]

You mean like this?...



If not this, then where?

I just said this, they should have been moved out regardless. What nursing homes were doing was just assigning a part of the nursing home as their "dedicated unit", yet the employees were still all over the place.

Not to mention as we have already read nursing homes were forced to accept Wuhan virus patients, that shouldn't have been so. At the very least the black man beating up elderly white patients was allowed to be admitted to a nursing home, I think it was part nursing home and part rehabilitation and he was there for rehabilitation. Simple, if you're a nursing home you don't get to allow infected patients into your nursing home. I really don't understand why this seems to be such a controversial statement.

Either this man was admitted because the nursing home felt they had no choice, they felt they could (to make some more money), or because there was a failure somewhere along the way in their understanding of the rules put in place. The rules should have been clear as day.

[Viekn]

I just said this, they should have been moved out regardless. What nursing homes were doing was just assigning a part of the nursing home as their "dedicated unit", yet the employees were still all over the place.

Not to mention as we have already read nursing homes were forced to accept Wuhan virus patients, that shouldn't have been so. At the very least the black man beating up elderly white patients was allowed to be admitted to a nursing home, I think it was part nursing home and part rehabilitation and he was there for rehabilitation. Simple, if you're a nursing home you don't get to allow infected patients into your nursing home. I really don't understand why this seems to be such a controversial statement.

Either this man was admitted because the nursing home felt they had no choice, they felt they could (to make some more money), or because there was a failure somewhere along the way in their understanding of the rules put in place. The rules should have been clear as day.

Yeah, but just because YOU said it means dick.

They should have been moved out regardless.
To where? Your house? Do you have a degree in social work or health care or elderly care? I don't care if you're a Trump supporter, a Bernie supporter, a Biden supporter, whatever. I don't give 2 shits, but if you say something, be able to back it up.

Not to mention as we have already read nursing homes were forced to accept Wuhan virus patients, that shouldn't have been so.
Where did you read this? The news? The news media that you rail against with every breath? And if it was the news media, then link their official citation that they used to credit the story to. If it wasn't the news, then cite the press release or statement from the nursing home that claimed this to be true.

At the very least the black man beating up elderly white patients was allowed to be admitted to a nursing home, I think it was part nursing home and part rehabilitation and he was there for rehabilitation.
I agree, that was an f'd up situation. I have no clue why that happened. If you do, please cite your official source. But unless you have an official citation or credit as to why he was there, don't blame it on the democratic governor. I'm not saying Whitmer did or didn't have any involvement on that person being in that facility, but YOU are. So if you want to claim Whitmer has something to do with it, then CITE the source, *edit* other than whatever news outlet you parroted it from.

[Tgo01]

Yeah, but just because YOU said it means dick.

You're asking for my opinion then saying my opinion means dick?

Fuck off.


To where? Your house?

Gee I don't know. Maybe Cuomo could have used those military hospitals and that military ship maybe.

Maybe governor Hitler of Michigan could have stopped auditioning to be Biden's VP pick by trying to shut down as much shit as possible in her state and figured something out there. Maybe she could have asked the federal government for some field hospitals. Maybe she could have done something on her own. Maybe she could have fucking done anything other than to shove infected patients into fucking nursing homes.

I thought my position was pretty much the least controversial position one could hold but I guess I was wrong. Shove those infected patients into nursing homes! Shove'em on in there! We can't possibly come up with another solution! We gotta shove'em on in there!

I can only imagine the fucking outrage if a Republican governor had this policy that resulted in the deaths of thousands of old people. But it's a Democrat governor so we had no choice but to murder old people.

[Tgo01]

Mayor of Atlanta has tested positive for the Kung Flu. (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-atlanta-idUSKBN2472WP)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EcSwwuMWkAAHnrs?format=png&name=900x900

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EcSwwuKXQAQWoAG?format=jpg&name=large

Oh right, the virus doesn't spread when you are virtue signaling, it only spreads at Trump rallies.

That second picture is especially funny considering this line from the article:


Bottoms said that she and her family wear masks in public and are thoughtful about maintaining social distancing and washing hands.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

[Viekn]

You're asking for my opinion then saying my opinion means dick?

Fuck off.
Who asked for your opinion? I didn't. I asked for you to cite government documents or policy statements. To which you replied "I just said this, they should have been moved out regardless.", which is your opinion without citing any policy or government action to say they weren't trying to move people out.



Gee I don't know. Maybe Cuomo could have used those military hospitals and that military ship maybe.

Maybe governor Hitler of Michigan could have stopped auditioning to be Biden's VP pick by trying to shut down as much shit as possible in her state and figured something out there. Maybe she could have asked the federal government for some field hospitals. Maybe she could have done something on her own. Maybe she could have fucking done anything other than to shove infected patients into fucking nursing homes.

I thought my position was pretty much the least controversial position one could hold but I guess I was wrong. Shove those infected patients into nursing homes! Shove'em on in there! We can't possibly come up with another solution! We gotta shove'em on in there!

I can only imagine the fucking outrage if a Republican governor had this policy that resulted in the deaths of thousands of old people. But it's a Democrat governor so we had no choice but to murder old people.

To that I'll add the text from my most recent reputation comment...

Thread: Wuhan Virus
dude... stop asking for facts in a politics thread. TGO is gonna go full TDS (the opposite of TDS) on you. GET READY. SHM

Holy shit were they right.

[Tgo01]

Who asked for your opinion? I didn't.

My bad, must have been someone else asking me these questions:


You mean like this?...

If not this, then where?

If you don't want a conversation and just want someone to lecture then fuck right the fuck off and go make out with Seran, he loves being lectured by Democrat ass kissers such as you.


Holy shit were they right.

Oh so clever! Another case of you not asking me a question and not being able to formulate a coherent reply because you are nothing but a worthless piece of shit. Thousands of old people died on Democrat governors' watch but you don't give a single flying fuck right?

No blame to pin on Republicans? Viekn is out!

[Viekn]

Oh so clever! Another case of you not asking me a question and not being able to formulate a coherent reply because you are nothing but a worthless piece of shit. Thousands of old people died on Democrat governors' watch but you don't give a single flying fuck right?

No blame to pin on Republicans? Viekn is out!

You're problem is I'm not willing to simply go back and forth with you on political bullshit. I formed coherent replies with direct citations to the actual executive orders that you couldn't back up yourself with similar citations. But because I wasn't simply spouting political potty mouth to oppose you, that was a challenge for you. But you are right...I'm out.

[Tgo01]

You're problem is I'm not willing to simply go back and forth with you on political bullshit.

And yet here you are.

But hey, at least I know the difference between "your" and "you're", so I got that on ya.


I formed coherent replies with direct citations to the actual executive orders that you couldn't back up yourself with similar citations.

I fucking quoted the relevant line in the link you provided. I linked to a story of an infected patient in a nursing home beating up old people. I linked to an article that talked about Cuomo's order which resulted in thousands of dead old people too.

You then asked me where the patients should have went to if not nursing homes and I rattled off like half a dozen viable examples just off the top of my head.

Oh but you received rep from SHM where he said I wouldn't provide an argument so that's enough for you that you're right and I'm wrong. Again fuck off. You aren't nearly as intelligent or savvy as you think you are. Go play Tiddlywinks with Seran and let the adults talk. Thanks.

[Risen]

I would not want these facts overlooked, no matter who was benefiting or being ostracized.

Fact: The picture is from a news clip that aired June 4th.
Fact: The mayor is moving to and from the event in a mask. The mayor is clearly holding the same mask during the speech.
Fact: Some clips show the attempt to maintain social distancing, but clearly at least three people in the picture shown did not get the memo.
Almost fact: The generally recognized incubation period for COVID-19 is three to seven days but may extend to 14 days. Arguments continue about the infection period.
Fact: On July 6, 32 days later, the mayor reports being diagnosed with COVID-19.

I do not see the direct linkage but I also do not know if there was linkage implied. I do want facts, always.

[Tgo01]

I would not want these facts overlooked, no matter who was benefiting or being ostracized.

Fact: The picture is from a news clip that aired June 4th.
Fact: The mayor is moving to and from the event in a mask. The mayor is clearly holding the same mask during the speech.
Fact: Some clips show the attempt to maintain social distancing, but clearly at least three people in the picture shown did not get the memo.
Almost fact: The generally recognized incubation period for COVID-19 is three to seven days but may extend to 14 days. Arguments continue about the infection period.
Fact: On July 6, 32 days later, the mayor reports being diagnosed with COVID-19.

I do not see the direct linkage but I also do not know if there was linkage implied. I do want facts, always.

I have no idea when or where she got infected, I just thought it was funny.

Also saying you always wear a mask when out in public should mean just that, you always wear a mask when out in public, not that you take your mask off sometimes. Kind of defeats the whole point of wearing a mask.

Lastly I would point out that it's entirely possible she's been infected for 2+ weeks. I don't know how often she gets tested but from the sounds of it she doesn't get tested on a regular basis like Trump does and rather got tested only because she was showing symptoms.

From what I have read a person typically recovers in about 2 weeks but some people are sick for much longer.

[ClydeR]

I really don't understand how people are looking at the same numbers and drawing such different conclusions. These are the numbers as I see them. We have 4% of the world population and 25% of the coronavirus cases and deaths.




https://i.imgur.com/qmsPN9N.png

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I really don't understand how people are looking at the same numbers and drawing such different conclusions. These are the numbers as I see them. We have 4% of the world population and 25% of the coronavirus cases and deaths.

Show your work?

[Alfster]

You and everyone else on the Left lost any credibility when you weren't out screaming bloody murder about the protests and riots. We are done with your fake BS, we are done with the manipulation and control and we are done with Leftism.

Whatcha gonna do about it? You call everyone leftists that dont believe Trump's lies.

[ClydeR]

Show your work?


I didn't want to overwhelm people with the computational complexities. But if you must know, divide the first column by the second column to get the third column.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I didn't want to overwhelm people with the computational complexities. But if you must know, divide the first column by the second column to get the third column.

I don't see an image, I'm at work and it blocks some websites.

[Tgo01]

361 deaths today and deaths still haven't exploded in Texas, Florida, or Arizona. In fact all 3 are below 50 again today.

796 deaths today. Arizona broke triple digit deaths today at 117. Is this the beginning of the end for the state known as Arizona? If you're the media or a Democrat then the answer is yes.

[Solkern]

796 deaths today. Arizona broke triple digit deaths today at 117. Is this the beginning of the end for the state known as Arizona? If you're the media or a Democrat then the answer is yes.

Is more than doubling our death count considered an explosion?

[Tgo01]

Is more than doubling our death count considered an explosion?

Over a 4+ week period? I would say no if we're comparing what happened to states like NY, NJ and even Michigan.

In NY for example their number of deaths literally tripled overnight from 29 to 80 on March 22nd, then doubled again 2 days later on March 24th to 157, then doubled again to 396 on March 28th, then doubled again on April 1st to 691, then shot up to 999 on April 11sth, then peaked at 1025 on April 17th.

[Alfster]

So we'll know in a couple of days of it's on the same path

[Tgo01]

So we'll know in a couple of days of it's on the same path

If it's just now starting to finally double every few days like NY after 4+ week delay? Yes.

[~Rocktar~]

Whatcha gonna do about it? You call everyone leftists that dont believe Trump's lies.

Alternately I call people Leftist because they espouse and/or support Leftist positions repeatedly.

[~Rocktar~]

I really don't understand how people are looking at the same numbers and drawing such different conclusions. These are the numbers as I see them. We have 4% of the world population and 25% of the coronavirus cases and deaths.




https://i.imgur.com/qmsPN9N.png

According to the CDC we are testing about half a million people per day. Pretty sure the rest of the world doesn't do much testing anymore.



https://covidtracking.com/data/us-daily

[time4fun]

According to the CDC we are testing about half a million people per day. Pretty sure the rest of the world doesn't do much testing anymore.



https://covidtracking.com/data/us-daily

Just stop. The US's response to COVID has been an abject failure. And it's really not remotely surprising. If your leader spends their time pretending like the pandemic isn't real and trying to stoke partisan hatred as their way of deflecting any blame- then yeah, it's going to go badly.

For the love of god- do you REALLY think that saying "This is a Democratic Hoax", "This is all China's fault", "Rise up and fight your Governor who is trying to follow epidemiological best practices for handling a pandemic", and "Hey inject yourself with disinfectant!" is the correct way to handle things?

Are you honestly so far gone at this point- so entirely divorced from reality- that you can't even bring yourself to admit that'st he wrong way to go about things?

Wake up.

[~Rocktar~]

Just stop. The US's response to COVID has been an abject failure. And it's really not remotely surprising. If your leader spends their time pretending like the pandemic isn't real and trying to stoke partisan hatred as their way of deflecting any blame- then yeah, it's going to go badly.

For the love of god- do you REALLY think that saying "This is a Democratic Hoax", "This is all China's fault", "Rise up and fight your Governor who is trying to follow epidemiological best practices for handling a pandemic", and "Hey inject yourself with disinfectant!" is the correct way to handle things?

Are you honestly so far gone at this point- so entirely divorced from reality- that you can't even bring yourself to admit that'st he wrong way to go about things?

Wake up.

Please just fuck right off. We have been over this but I can't help the fact that your thick fucking skull or your willful ignorance can't manage to deal with the real facts.

Fact: China lied about the disease, covered it up/murdered infected people, did not let international medical people in to help and then got the WHO to lie on their behalf.
Fact: In January your beloved Democrap Leftists were ignoring the whole thing mostly until they noticed that the fake Impeachment was DOA.
Fact: When Trump banned travel from China, your beloved Democrap Leftists were calling him racist and telling people to go out and celebrate the Chinese New Year and go hug people in China town. This continued with immigration was banned.
Fact: Your beloved Democrap Leftist governors ordered infected people into nursing homes which lead to a massive explosion in cases and still accounts for about 1/5 of the US casualties.
Fact: When Trump spoke about possible treatments, every single time, your beloved Democrap Leftists in the media denounced the possibility of treatment thus reducing the number of people getting treatment. Even now, the media and you shitbags, "the party of science" deny the effectiveness of medications and treatment modalities due to politics.
Fact: Your asinine claims of Conservatives ignoring it, calling it a hoax and and of course the wonderfully entertaining claim about injecting with bleach have been repeatedly and unequivocally disproved over and over and over again.
Fact: Serology testing is pointing to the fact that from 30 to as much as 80 times the number of people currently known to have or have had the disease are likely to have had it with little or no symptoms.
Fact: The so called "epidemiological experts" have admitted that the death rate is inflated.
Fact: You and your beloved Democrap Leftists are the ones seeking to deflect blame and to avoid repercussions over your early and often criminal behavior that cost lives.
Fact: Our cases are rising, we are testing shit tons of people but yet, the death rate is not growing with the same rate as cases.
Fact: No amount of masks, quarantine and so on will make this disease go away. Period. This is without argument.
Fact: You and your beloved Democrap Leftists have made a political campaign out of violating people's rights, taking their Freedoms and trying to make them feel guilty for wanting their Freedoms instead of cowtowing to your wishes to be good little sheep all in the name of not murdering grandma.
Fact: The mortality rate of this disease based on known cases is not much more than the flu.
Fact: You and your beloved Democrap Leftists have ignored the devastating and criminal side effects of your political strategy including but not limited too massive spike in suicide, immeasurable loss of wealth among small business owners, untold poverty and increased death due to other disease, addiction and mental health but hey, according to you "we are saving grandma."
Fact: The lockdown, social distancing, masks and all the rest are simply unsustainable, we are rap[idly approaching the point where the only way forward is to open the economy of suffer irreversible societal breakdown.
Fact: You and all your beloved Democrap Leftists lost every shred of credibility in the pretense of pretending to care about anyone else but your own power when you supported massive riots, protests, wide spread looting and murder in the name of social justice and didn't make a fucking peep about masks and corona.

So again, fuck right off with your fake concern, fear mongering and bullshit. There is a reckoning coming and while you and others think all this is justified to grab power and you think supporting Leftist BLM and so on is all cute, when society collapses due to your actions, which we are perilously close too, the death toll will be staggering and you and your beloved Democrap Leftists will be to blame. And then you pompous, over educated, Leftist shill, piece of shit will get to live in the world you made. I am absolutely sure you are not ready for it.

Nice shot at the title, I think Back still has the edge.

[Seran]

Please just fuck right off. We have been over this but I can't help the fact that your thick fucking skull or your willful ignorance can't manage to deal with the real facts.

Fact: China lied about the disease, covered it up/murdered infected people, did not let international medical people in to help and then got the WHO to lie on their behalf.
Fact: In January your beloved Democrap Leftists were ignoring the whole thing mostly until they noticed that the fake Impeachment was DOA.
Fact: When Trump banned travel from China, your beloved Democrap Leftists were calling him racist and telling people to go out and celebrate the Chinese New Year and go hug people in China town. This continued with immigration was banned.
Fact: Your beloved Democrap Leftist governors ordered infected people into nursing homes which lead to a massive explosion in cases and still accounts for about 1/5 of the US casualties.
Fact: When Trump spoke about possible treatments, every single time, your beloved Democrap Leftists in the media denounced the possibility of treatment thus reducing the number of people getting treatment. Even now, the media and you shitbags, "the party of science" deny the effectiveness of medications and treatment modalities due to politics.
Fact: Your asinine claims of Conservatives ignoring it, calling it a hoax and and of course the wonderfully entertaining claim about injecting with bleach have been repeatedly and unequivocally disproved over and over and over again.
Fact: Serology testing is pointing to the fact that from 30 to as much as 80 times the number of people currently known to have or have had the disease are likely to have had it with little or no symptoms.
Fact: The so called "epidemiological experts" have admitted that the death rate is inflated.
Fact: You and your beloved Democrap Leftists are the ones seeking to deflect blame and to avoid repercussions over your early and often criminal behavior that cost lives.
Fact: Our cases are rising, we are testing shit tons of people but yet, the death rate is not growing with the same rate as cases.
Fact: No amount of masks, quarantine and so on will make this disease go away. Period. This is without argument.
Fact: You and your beloved Democrap Leftists have made a political campaign out of violating people's rights, taking their Freedoms and trying to make them feel guilty for wanting their Freedoms instead of cowtowing to your wishes to be good little sheep all in the name of not murdering grandma.
Fact: The mortality rate of this disease based on known cases is not much more than the flu.
Fact: You and your beloved Democrap Leftists have ignored the devastating and criminal side effects of your political strategy including but not limited too massive spike in suicide, immeasurable loss of wealth among small business owners, untold poverty and increased death due to other disease, addiction and mental health but hey, according to you "we are saving grandma."
Fact: The lockdown, social distancing, masks and all the rest are simply unsustainable, we are rap[idly approaching the point where the only way forward is to open the economy of suffer irreversible societal breakdown.
Fact: You and all your beloved Democrap Leftists lost every shred of credibility in the pretense of pretending to care about anyone else but your own power when you supported massive riots, protests, wide spread looting and murder in the name of social justice and didn't make a fucking peep about masks and corona.

So again, fuck right off with your fake concern, fear mongering and bullshit. There is a reckoning coming and while you and others think all this is justified to grab power and you think supporting Leftist BLM and so on is all cute, when society collapses due to your actions, which we are perilously close too, the death toll will be staggering and you and your beloved Democrap Leftists will be to blame. And then you pompous, over educated, Leftist shill, piece of shit will get to live in the world you made. I am absolutely sure you are not ready for it.

Nice shot at the title, I think Back still has the edge.

That's about the biggest list of written diarrhea I've ever seen. If one claim in five is even remotely accurate, I'd be shocked

[time4fun]

That's about the biggest list of written diarrhea I've ever seen. If one claim in five is even remotely accurate, I'd be shocked

One in five would actually be a significant improvement over his standard rants

[Wrathbringer]

I'm retarded and promise to shed gallons of libtard tears when Trump is re-elected as my president in November.

Thanks. We can hardly wait.

[Shaps]

It's going to be interesting to watch if Trump wins in November that's for sure. I can see the following happening though:

Extreme leftists, because of the current lack of reaction by government/law enforcement officials to their willful destruction of infrastructure and violence will THINK they can do it all over again.. and they will try.

Because Trump got elected it will validate the will of the people of the nation - and the gloves are going to come off and the above mentioned extreme leftists are going to get crushed with arrests, seizure of funds, and legal action. Trump will get the "go ahead" to unleash the full force of the criminal justice system and he won't give two shits about what the media says because it's his last term and no election looming.

After that occurs - who the hell knows what happens. But if I was someone out there destroying personal property, attacking people, and defacing public property (you know - all illegal actions according to our laws?) - I'd be very careful if he does.

If the jackasses would stop being violent and join the peaceful protesters, it would be a lot better for all concerned. Some really good suggestions and recommendations for change are being destroyed by their violent tendencies.

[Solkern]

Over a 4+ week period? I would say no if we're comparing what happened to states like NY, NJ and even Michigan.

In NY for example their number of deaths literally tripled overnight from 29 to 80 on March 22nd, then doubled again 2 days later on March 24th to 157, then doubled again to 396 on March 28th, then doubled again on April 1st to 691, then shot up to 999 on April 11sth, then peaked at 1025 on April 17th.

The United States reported 60,021 new coronavirus cases and 1,195 new deaths.

Looks like it’s following the same pattern.

How many of these are from nursing homes?

[Alfster]

Please just fuck right off. We have been over this but I can't help the fact that your thick fucking skull or your willful ignorance can't manage to deal with the real facts.

Fact: China lied about the disease, covered it up/murdered infected people, did not let international medical people in to help and then got the WHO to lie on their behalf.
Fact: In January your beloved Democrap Leftists were ignoring the whole thing mostly until they noticed that the fake Impeachment was DOA.
Fact: When Trump banned travel from China, your beloved Democrap Leftists were calling him racist and telling people to go out and celebrate the Chinese New Year and go hug people in China town. This continued with immigration was banned.
Fact: Your beloved Democrap Leftist governors ordered infected people into nursing homes which lead to a massive explosion in cases and still accounts for about 1/5 of the US casualties.
Fact: When Trump spoke about possible treatments, every single time, your beloved Democrap Leftists in the media denounced the possibility of treatment thus reducing the number of people getting treatment. Even now, the media and you shitbags, "the party of science" deny the effectiveness of medications and treatment modalities due to politics.
Fact: Your asinine claims of Conservatives ignoring it, calling it a hoax and and of course the wonderfully entertaining claim about injecting with bleach have been repeatedly and unequivocally disproved over and over and over again.
Fact: Serology testing is pointing to the fact that from 30 to as much as 80 times the number of people currently known to have or have had the disease are likely to have had it with little or no symptoms.
Fact: The so called "epidemiological experts" have admitted that the death rate is inflated.
Fact: You and your beloved Democrap Leftists are the ones seeking to deflect blame and to avoid repercussions over your early and often criminal behavior that cost lives.
Fact: Our cases are rising, we are testing shit tons of people but yet, the death rate is not growing with the same rate as cases.
Fact: No amount of masks, quarantine and so on will make this disease go away. Period. This is without argument.
Fact: You and your beloved Democrap Leftists have made a political campaign out of violating people's rights, taking their Freedoms and trying to make them feel guilty for wanting their Freedoms instead of cowtowing to your wishes to be good little sheep all in the name of not murdering grandma.
Fact: The mortality rate of this disease based on known cases is not much more than the flu.
Fact: You and your beloved Democrap Leftists have ignored the devastating and criminal side effects of your political strategy including but not limited too massive spike in suicide, immeasurable loss of wealth among small business owners, untold poverty and increased death due to other disease, addiction and mental health but hey, according to you "we are saving grandma."
Fact: The lockdown, social distancing, masks and all the rest are simply unsustainable, we are rap[idly approaching the point where the only way forward is to open the economy of suffer irreversible societal breakdown.
Fact: You and all your beloved Democrap Leftists lost every shred of credibility in the pretense of pretending to care about anyone else but your own power when you supported massive riots, protests, wide spread looting and murder in the name of social justice and didn't make a fucking peep about masks and corona.

So again, fuck right off with your fake concern, fear mongering and bullshit. There is a reckoning coming and while you and others think all this is justified to grab power and you think supporting Leftist BLM and so on is all cute, when society collapses due to your actions, which we are perilously close too, the death toll will be staggering and you and your beloved Democrap Leftists will be to blame. And then you pompous, over educated, Leftist shill, piece of shit will get to live in the world you made. I am absolutely sure you are not ready for it.

Nice shot at the title, I think Back still has the edge.

Lol. Found the next mass shooter.

[Gelston]

Lol. Found the next mass shooter.

Then you better report him, right now, to the FBI, along with evidence of your suspicions. If you do nothing, you are a piece of shit too.

[Alfster]

I'm glad you agree he's a piece of shit.

[Methais]

You do realize that the nursing home rules they put into place were directly from the Trump Administration's guidelines, right?

https://i.makeagif.com/media/9-07-2016/xJ7Wh2.gif


Awww poor angry little boy. Doesn't really have a response, can't win on merits, so jumps right into a temper tantrum.

You know- suddenly your taste in Presidents makes perfect sense.

I'll give you this though- at least you recognize when you have nothing of substance to offer. Kudos kid!

https://media.tenor.com/images/e96be627101c6efc84181d2140a85682/tenor.gif

Go sandblast your armpits already.

[Methais]

Just stop. The US's response to COVID has been an abject failure. And it's really not remotely surprising. If your leader spends their time pretending like the pandemic isn't real and trying to stoke partisan hatred as their way of deflecting any blame- then yeah, it's going to go badly.

For the love of god- do you REALLY think that saying "This is a Democratic Hoax", "This is all China's fault", "Rise up and fight your Governor who is trying to follow epidemiological best practices for handling a pandemic", and "Hey inject yourself with disinfectant!" is the correct way to handle things?

Are you honestly so far gone at this point- so entirely divorced from reality- that you can't even bring yourself to admit that'st he wrong way to go about things?

Wake up.

You are so monumentally stupid and gullible and dishonest that it’s almost starting to not be funny anymore.

Almost.

[Parkbandit]

You are so monumentally stupid and gullible and dishonest that it’s almost starting to not be funny anymore.

Almost.

https://media3.giphy.com/media/KzyMcEfDh4Jiw/giphy.gif

[~Rocktar~]

This is why I an many others say this whole mess is a massive pile of bullshit. You are being played.


https://www.facebook.com/lesa.fisherpatten/videos/3151129788277372/

[~Rocktar~]

California doctors say they've seen more deaths from suicide than coronavirus since lockdowns


https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/california-doctors-say-theyve-seen-more-deaths-from-suicide-than-coronavirus-since-lockdowns

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Man, that seems contrary to the press narative.

[Seran]

California doctors say they've seen more deaths from suicide than coronavirus since lockdowns


https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/california-doctors-say-theyve-seen-more-deaths-from-suicide-than-coronavirus-since-lockdowns

That's utter bullshit from an incredibly disreputable source. A doctor throws an unsubstantiated opinion without citing statistics and here we go, spin. Instead of championing it's low covid death rates, this conservative rag is trying to sell a medical opinion that lockdown kills more than it protects. Fuckin bullshit.

California has one of the lowest suicide rates in the United States. Meanwhile it's helped lead the charge in responsible pandemic response, keeping it's number of deaths relative to it's population shockingly low.

Meanwhile the hospital is already walking back the quote as being taken out of context. Surprise surprise.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.redding.com/amp/5279780002

[Alfster]

Why would doctors need to help after a suicide?

[time4fun]

Seran called quite a bit of this.

Yet another thread from Rockstar, mindlessly regurgitating baseless conservative talking points that he just couldn't bother to fact check or- you know- actually think through.

There is no evidence (https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/jun/04/tim-murtaugh/theres-no-data-back-claim-skyrocketing-suicides-du/) at all that suicide rates are skyrocketing (or even increasing) in the US right now. The CDC says it. The Education Development Center says it.

And the reason why you are always so incredibly wrong about things is that you continue to feed off of "news" from hyper biased and disreputable outlets. (Remember when you said PragerU is a better source than places like Duke and Princeton? Yeah)

And if you actually thought it through, you'd realize that even if the suicide rate WERE up, it would be yet another example of the Trump administration's failures to deal with COVID. The rest of the world is opening back up, and we're facing new records for COVID infections and deaths. Which means that we're having to shut back down again to deal with this because we couldn't get half of the country to be bothered the first time (because God forbid anyone disagree with God King Trump), and while other places were shut down- the Federal Government was sitting on its ass. No nationwide test and trace programs. Not enough testing kits. Oh and Congress couldn't do what most of Europe did- directly subsidizing paychecks so people didn't have to actually be laid off and local economies could keep running- because Republicans are so cruel and understand so little about governing that they can't handle being generous to normal people- even when it's the best policy decision to make.

As usual, you are a brainwashed fool who understands nothing about the world around him. You're mindlessly repeating fake information and failing to do even basic analysis of the arguments you're copying from terrible right wing sources.

Mahalo

[Tgo01]

Mahalo

Would you please stop your cultural appropriation?

You sicken me and every Hawaiian.

[~Rocktar~]

Seran called quite a bit of this.

Yet another thread from Rockstar, mindlessly regurgitating baseless conservative talking points that he just couldn't bother to fact check or- you know- actually think through.

There is no evidence (https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/jun/04/tim-murtaugh/theres-no-data-back-claim-skyrocketing-suicides-du/) at all that suicide rates are skyrocketing (or even increasing) in the US right now. The CDC says it. The Education Development Center says it.

And the reason why you are always so incredibly wrong about things is that you continue to feed off of "news" from hyper biased and disreputable outlets. (Remember when you said PragerU is a better source than places like Duke and Princeton? Yeah)

And if you actually thought it through, you'd realize that even if the suicide rate WERE up, it would be yet another example of the Trump administration's failures to deal with COVID. The rest of the world is opening back up, and we're facing new records for COVID infections and deaths. Which means that we're having to shut back down again to deal with this because we couldn't get half of the country to be bothered the first time (because God forbid anyone disagree with God King Trump), and while other places were shut down- the Federal Government was sitting on its ass. No nationwide test and trace programs. Not enough testing kits. Oh and Congress couldn't do what most of Europe did- directly subsidizing paychecks so people didn't have to actually be laid off and local economies could keep running- because Republicans are so cruel and understand so little about governing that they can't handle being generous to normal people- even when it's the best policy decision to make.

As usual, you are a brainwashed fool who understands nothing about the world around him. You're mindlessly repeating fake information and failing to do even basic analysis of the arguments you're copying from terrible right wing sources.

Mahalo

OH honey, you are so full of shit. I sure wish I could manage even 1/3 of the mental gymnastics you go through to try and justify your idiotic position. I mean really, you go from disputing an article to wrapping yourself around the dirty stripper pole 3 times to get to orange man bad. And you still ignore the effect of protests on covid cases increasing. Man I wish I could be as willfully idiotic as you then I might actually believe CNN and MSNBC or happily get into the train car. Unfortunately for me, I am stuck with a realistic picture of the US and how you and others have duped the world and I just hope I get to see the day when you complain about living in the shithole world you want to create. Assuming of course that you survive the coming unrest with that mush head.

Have a nice night, or not.

[Methais]

And the reason why you are always so incredibly wrong about things is that you continue to feed off of "news" from hyper biased and disreputable outlets.

If only you had even a minimal amount of self awareness...


(Remember when you said PragerU is a better source than places like Duke and Princeton? Yeah)

Remember when you said that men can lactate?



Mahalo

Tgo touched on this, but when are you going to apologize for your cultural appropriation of Hawaiians? What's next for you? Pineapple face?

I'm literally shaking right now.

[Parkbandit]

Seran called quite a bit of this.

Yet another thread from Rockstar, mindlessly regurgitating baseless conservative talking points that he just couldn't bother to fact check or- you know- actually think through.

There is no evidence (https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/jun/04/tim-murtaugh/theres-no-data-back-claim-skyrocketing-suicides-du/) at all that suicide rates are skyrocketing (or even increasing) in the US right now. The CDC says it. The Education Development Center says it.

And the reason why you are always so incredibly wrong about things is that you continue to feed off of "news" from hyper biased and disreputable outlets. (Remember when you said PragerU is a better source than places like Duke and Princeton? Yeah)

And if you actually thought it through, you'd realize that even if the suicide rate WERE up, it would be yet another example of the Trump administration's failures to deal with COVID. The rest of the world is opening back up, and we're facing new records for COVID infections and deaths. Which means that we're having to shut back down again to deal with this because we couldn't get half of the country to be bothered the first time (because God forbid anyone disagree with God King Trump), and while other places were shut down- the Federal Government was sitting on its ass. No nationwide test and trace programs. Not enough testing kits. Oh and Congress couldn't do what most of Europe did- directly subsidizing paychecks so people didn't have to actually be laid off and local economies could keep running- because Republicans are so cruel and understand so little about governing that they can't handle being generous to normal people- even when it's the best policy decision to make.

As usual, you are a brainwashed fool who understands nothing about the world around him. You're mindlessly repeating fake information and failing to do even basic analysis of the arguments you're copying from terrible right wing sources.

Mahalo

There is no way you aren't trolling everyone here.

I used to believe you were just stupid and didn't know any better... but you are hitting almost ALL the marks right now.

The only item we are missing is how somehow you are an authority on the subject.. be it a Doctorate, a speech you had to give to Congress, a class you taught or how you personally experienced it.

[Gelston]

https://scontent-dfw5-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/107039197_10157388946881966_4525089420027334069_n. jpg?_nc_cat=102&_nc_sid=110474&_nc_ohc=48rufgLt4ioAX92Avfw&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-2.xx&oh=eb053b7741e26c5cd2166316a4f7c9cb&oe=5F3019C8

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

https://scontent-dfw5-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/107039197_10157388946881966_4525089420027334069_n. jpg?_nc_cat=102&_nc_sid=110474&_nc_ohc=48rufgLt4ioAX92Avfw&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-2.xx&oh=eb053b7741e26c5cd2166316a4f7c9cb&oe=5F3019C8

Karma

[Risen]

This sucks, a vet with two tours taken out by this, this way.

[Tgo01]

Deaths still haven't exploded. How many more days before the panic porners admit they are wrong? Or do they just keep waiting and hoping until one day the deaths start climbing and then say "See? I knew it all along!"

Also when do the panic porners admit the protests and riots are most likely a major cause of the increase in cases? Or are we still pretending protests/riots that Democrats approve of somehow reduce the number of cases but people protesting to reopen the economy cause a massive surge in cases across the entire nation?

[Viekn]

Looks like we finally know who Tgo is in real life...


The top writer for Fox News host Tucker Carlson has for years been using a pseudonym to post bigoted remarks on an online forum that is a hotbed for racist, sexist, and other offensive content, CNN Business learned this week.

[Tgo01]

Looks like we finally know who Tgo is in real life...

Shit!

But you see this is why it sucks that Democrats have over used words such as "racist", "sexist", and "bigoted" so much that the words are literally meaningless now.

20 years ago I would have read that and thought "Holy shit! That's horrible!"

Now I read that and think "Wait...ACTUAL bigoted comments? An ACTUAL hotbed for racist and sexist comments?"

When in reality it's probably just time4fun's idea of bigoted comments. "OMG! He said trans women can't have periods! What a bigoted transphobe!"

[time4fun]

Looks like we finally know who Tgo is in real life...

I'm not remotely surprised about the head writer- Carlson's show routinely echoes white nationalist arguments.

If you ever want to understand the Rockstars, Tgos, and Neveragain's in the world....watch Tucker Carlson. It's a fascinating look into the angry conservative psyche. The vast majority of his stories are about liberal policies or people (or anything that he's suspicious of) explicitly framed as direct attacks on the viewer, their family, their values, etc. He uses outlandish statements and lots of demonstrably inaccurate and emotional spin in lieu of facts.

It's actually incredibly scary that people consider it to be a news show and valid source of information about what's going on. It's a dark and twisted world that would absolutely melt in the light of any fact checking, but if you're someone who would watch Tucker Carlson- you're not the kind of person who fact checks.

The day that the two SCOTUS decisions came out regarding Trump's tax records, Carlson didn't mention a single word about them.

Instead:
-He brought on a guest who told his viewers that Black Lives Matter "is Marxism"- which only makes sense if you have absolutely no concept of what Marxism actually is nor have any idea of what Black Lives Matters is.

-He then talked about some unconscious bias training that happened in OK for state employees. He told his viewers that attendees were "screamed at" and told that being white was wrong and that they had to learn to not be white. He also told his viewers that the training told attendees a number of abjectly insane things like "stop spending time with your families".

-Afterwards he brought in the couple from Martinez, CA who are facing misdemeanor hate crime charges (among other things) after defacing a Black Lives Matter monument in front of the Court House an hour after it went up while screaming about being tired of "the narrative"- and presented them as absolute victims.

That's a typical Tucker Carlson show. Tons of crazy, outlandish statements with no real factual basis and fear-mongering at its most cynical. And if you have a shred of common sense or ability to reason for yourself- it's crystal clear that it's all abject nonsense.

But people like Tgo, Rockstar, Neveragain, and the rest don't have either of those things going for them. And it explains the kinds of arguments they make, the massive blind spots they have when it comes to facts, and how comfortable they are making arguments full of platitudes but no specifics.

[Tgo01]

Aww, Viekn. You made a friend.

[Neveragain]

after defacing a Black Lives Matter monument


outlandish statements

https://r1.community.samsung.com/isuuy43828/attachments/isuuy43828/ca-community-sp-gs/58755/1/lmao-gif-4.gif

It will be funny when the courts have to drop the charges against these people.

[Methais]

I'm not remotely surprised about the head writer- Carlson's show routinely echoes white nationalist arguments.

If you ever want to understand the Rockstars, Tgos, and Neveragain's in the world....watch Tucker Carlson. It's a fascinating look into the angry conservative psyche. The vast majority of his stories are about liberal policies or people (or anything that he's suspicious of) explicitly framed as direct attacks on the viewer, their family, their values, etc. He uses outlandish statements and lots of demonstrably inaccurate and emotional spin in lieu of facts.

It's actually incredibly scary that people consider it to be a news show and valid source of information about what's going on. It's a dark and twisted world that would absolutely melt in the light of any fact checking, but if you're someone who would watch Tucker Carlson- you're not the kind of person who fact checks.

The day that the two SCOTUS decisions came out regarding Trump's tax records, Carlson didn't mention a single word about them.

Instead:
-He brought on a guest who told his viewers that Black Lives Matter "is Marxism"- which only makes sense if you have absolutely no concept of what Marxism actually is nor have any idea of what Black Lives Matters is.

-He then talked about some unconscious bias training that happened in OK for state employees. He told his viewers that attendees were "screamed at" and told that being white was wrong and that they had to learn to not be white. He also told his viewers that the training told attendees a number of abjectly insane things like "stop spending time with your families".

-Afterwards he brought in the couple from Martinez, CA who are facing misdemeanor hate crime charges (among other things) after defacing a Black Lives Matter monument in front of the Court House an hour after it went up while screaming about being tired of "the narrative"- and presented them as absolute victims.

That's a typical Tucker Carlson show. Tons of crazy, outlandish statements with no real factual basis and fear-mongering at its most cynical. And if you have a shred of common sense or ability to reason for yourself- it's crystal clear that it's all abject nonsense.

But people like Tgo, Rockstar, Neveragain, and the rest don't have either of those things going for them. And it explains the kinds of arguments they make, the massive blind spots they have when it comes to facts, and how comfortable they are making arguments full of platitudes but no specifics.

https://i.gifer.com/AQYN.gif

[Bhaalizmo]

https://i.imgur.com/sa7OeFQ.png

Never forget

[Parkbandit]

I'm not remotely surprised about the head writer- Carlson's show routinely echoes white nationalist arguments.

If you ever want to understand the Rockstars, Tgos, and Neveragain's in the world....watch Tucker Carlson. It's a fascinating look into the angry conservative psyche. The vast majority of his stories are about liberal policies or people (or anything that he's suspicious of) explicitly framed as direct attacks on the viewer, their family, their values, etc. He uses outlandish statements and lots of demonstrably inaccurate and emotional spin in lieu of facts.

It's actually incredibly scary that people consider it to be a news show and valid source of information about what's going on. It's a dark and twisted world that would absolutely melt in the light of any fact checking, but if you're someone who would watch Tucker Carlson- you're not the kind of person who fact checks.

The day that the two SCOTUS decisions came out regarding Trump's tax records, Carlson didn't mention a single word about them.

Instead:
-He brought on a guest who told his viewers that Black Lives Matter "is Marxism"- which only makes sense if you have absolutely no concept of what Marxism actually is nor have any idea of what Black Lives Matters is.

-He then talked about some unconscious bias training that happened in OK for state employees. He told his viewers that attendees were "screamed at" and told that being white was wrong and that they had to learn to not be white. He also told his viewers that the training told attendees a number of abjectly insane things like "stop spending time with your families".

-Afterwards he brought in the couple from Martinez, CA who are facing misdemeanor hate crime charges (among other things) after defacing a Black Lives Matter monument in front of the Court House an hour after it went up while screaming about being tired of "the narrative"- and presented them as absolute victims.

That's a typical Tucker Carlson show. Tons of crazy, outlandish statements with no real factual basis and fear-mongering at its most cynical. And if you have a shred of common sense or ability to reason for yourself- it's crystal clear that it's all abject nonsense.

But people like Tgo, Rockstar, Neveragain, and the rest don't have either of those things going for them. And it explains the kinds of arguments they make, the massive blind spots they have when it comes to facts, and how comfortable they are making arguments full of platitudes but no specifics.

And people wonder why you are the current Retard Champion.

[RichardCranium]

-He brought on a guest who told his viewers that Black Lives Matter "is Marxism"- which only makes sense if you have absolutely no concept of what Marxism actually is nor have any idea of what Black Lives Matters is.

Isn't Patrisse Cullors an avowed Marxist?

[Tgo01]

https://twitter.com/DailyCaller/status/1282072258463305728?s=20

Trump wearing a mask on video. You know what that means: masks are about to become a symbol of white supremacy.

[~Rocktar~]

https://twitter.com/DailyCaller/status/1282072258463305728?s=20

Trump wearing a mask on video. You know what that means: masks are about to become a symbol of white supremacy.

Does that mean we can stop wearing them?

[Tgo01]

Does that mean we can stop wearing them?

Considering Democrats just do the opposite of whatever Trump does I am guessing it will happen soon.

[Bhaalizmo]

And people wonder why you are the current Retard Champion.

FYI, they dont.

[Tgo01]

FYI, they dont.

You have to be living in a hole somewhere to actually believe this. But look who I'm talking to.

[Bhaalizmo]

You have to be living in a hole somewhere to actually believe this. But look who I'm talking to.

As if you know. Cool story, red hat

[Methais]

And people wonder why you are the current Retard Champion.

Is anyone really wondering though?

[Parkbandit]

Isn't Patrisse Cullors an avowed Marxist?

Shhh! That's supposed to be a secret and if you bring it up, you don't care about Black lives!

Can't wait until the end of the election and BLM goes back to being nothing for another 4 years.

[Bhaalizmo]

And people wonder why you are the current Retard Champion.

no one cares what you think

[Tgo01]

So not only have the deaths in Florida, Texas, and Arizona not exploded yet but the total deaths for the US today was only 380.

The panic porners must be worried they might never see mass deaths outside of Democrat states.

If this trend holds up, a lot of infections and not many deaths comparatively speaking, then this is gonna really make the panic porners look bad because what we should have done from the beginning was protected nursing homes (what Democrat governors failed to do), told seniors and those with compromised immune systems to stay home for a month and paid them their paychecks for not working, and let everyone else live their life.

We wouldn't have crashed our economy and forced tens of millions of people out work, we would have had a lot fewer deaths, and by now we would have been well on our way to herd immunity.

[Bhaalizmo]

Shhh! That's supposed to be a secret and if you bring it up, you don't care about Black lives!

Can't wait until the end of the election and BLM goes back to being nothing for another 4 years.

I also can't wait for the end of the election, but mostly so we can benefit from having more than a half a potato worth of brain power in the oval office.

[beldannon5]

I also can't wait for the end of the election, but mostly so we can benefit from having more than a half a potato worth of brain power in the oval office.

So Biden isn't running then?

[Bhaalizmo]

So Biden isn't running then?

C'mon, Biden has at least two potatoes worth of spark left

[Parkbandit]

I also can't wait for the end of the election, but mostly so we can benefit from having more than a half a potato worth of brain power in the oval office.

I also can't wait for the end of the election and the apoplectic meltdown sensitive little snowflakes like you will have.

[Solkern]

I also can't wait for the end of the election and the apoplectic meltdown sensitive little snowflakes like you will have.

You seem quite sure Trump is going to win, why don’t you throw a $100 down on it.

[Methais]

I also can't wait for the end of the election, but mostly so we can benefit from having more than a half a potato worth of brain power in the oval office.

You think Biden has even half a potato worth of a brain?

Troll better. You're trying too hard. Needs more subtlety. Maybe get yourself a couple PhDs if you want to be taken seriously around here...

[Parkbandit]

You seem quite sure Trump is going to win, why don’t you throw a $100 down on it.

With you?

No thanks.

[Solkern]

With you?

No thanks.


I understand, you’d be ashamed to lose, too much ego.

[Parkbandit]

I understand, you’d be ashamed to lose, too much ego.

Haven't lost a bet here yet I don't believe.

But no one can tell what will happen between now and November. Trump could die. Biden could get charged with pedophilia.

Plus, I wouldn't trust that you could scrape together $100 anyway.

[Solkern]

Haven't lost a bet here yet I don't believe.

But no one can tell what will happen between now and November. Trump could die. Biden could get charged with pedophilia.

Plus, I wouldn't trust that you could scrape together $100 anyway.

I’ll send Methais, $100 right now to cover my end. I’m sure you could do the same right?
My bet is simply Trump won’t win re-election, if he dies or whatever, the bet would be off.

[Bhaalizmo]

I’ll send Methais, $100 right now to cover my end. I’m sure you could do the same right?
My bet is simply Trump won’t win re-election, if he dies or whatever, the bet would be off.

Bet off. Party on.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

You seem quite sure Trump is going to win, why don’t you throw a $100 down on it.

You seem very confident, why not throw $10,000 on it?

[Solkern]

You seem very confident, why not throw $10,000 on it?

And how many people can throw around $10k here?

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

And how many people can throw around $10k here?

I can. Wanna bet?

[Solkern]

I can. Wanna bet?


Nope, because sadly I don’t have $10k lying around, you know wife, new baby, pandemic.

Of course, it could be just posturing so you don’t have to bet, so how about you just throw $100 on it?

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Nope, because sadly I don’t have $10k lying around, you know wife, new baby, pandemic.

Of course it could be just posturing so you don’t have to bet, so how about you just throw $100 on it?

Because it's not worth my time for $100.

[Solkern]

Because it's not worth my time for $100.

Not worth your time? So to write, “ok it’s a bet” Is not worth your time, Yet, bragging about having 10k to spend on a bet and coming up with excuses, why you won’t bet... is worth your time. Got it.

to each their own, I guess!

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Whatever gets you through the day.

[Alfster]

And how many people can throw around $10k here?

I'd bet a lot of people could pull that off here.

[Exit]

I can. Wanna bet?

Hey, I will take you up on that bet. 10 grand Trump either loses re-election, or doesn’t make it there.

[Solkern]

I'd bet a lot of people could pull that off here.

I'm sure quite a lot of people do have $10k here, just not enough lying around to throw on a bet!

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Hey, I will take you up on that bet. 10 grand Trump either loses re-election, or doesn’t make it there.

How do you want to do it? Where do we send the money that guarantees the winner gets the proceeds.

[Stanley Burrell]

......I bet all the top scores in Pandemic 2 are all "Covid-19" I really, really have nothing to contribute, sorry guys.

[Neveragain]

How do you want to do it? Where do we send the money that guarantees the winner gets the proceeds.

I'll hold on to the 20k.

https://66.media.tumblr.com/ea0f5de76729ba6e71f51152a1fc2a78/tumblr_o4lje3Idem1tv3n1ro1_400.gifv

[DoctorUnne]

How do you want to do it? Where do we send the money that guarantees the winner gets the proceeds.

Why would you do it here when you can just bet it on PredictIt and get 3:2 odds?

https://www.predictit.org/markets/detail/3698/Who-will-win-the-2020-US-presidential-election

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Why would you do it here when you can just bet it on PredictIt and get 3:2 odds?

https://www.predictit.org/markets/detail/3698/Who-will-win-the-2020-US-presidential-election

Maybe because I don't have Facebook or Twitter to login there, and that they also have odds for Pence, Harris and Clinton as the nomination? Doesn't seem that legit to me.

Besides, here, it's personal.

[Ardwen]

As the resident banker.... you two are nuts.

[Bhaalizmo]

Karma

Speaking of Karma,

Have you seen this racist ranting in the streets bish? https://wlos.com/news/local/viral-video-catches-woman-yelling-racial-slurs-in-downtown-asheville

She just got hit by a fire truck. https://wlos.com/news/local/rachel-dawn-ruit-hit-by-truck-patton-avenue-viral-racist-rant-asheville-fire-department

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Speaking of Karma,

Have you seen this racist ranting in the streets bish? https://wlos.com/news/local/viral-video-catches-woman-yelling-racial-slurs-in-downtown-asheville

She just got hit by a fire truck. https://wlos.com/news/local/rachel-dawn-ruit-hit-by-truck-patton-avenue-viral-racist-rant-asheville-fire-department

I like that Karma as well.

[Stolis]

Speaking of Karma,

Have you seen this racist ranting in the streets bish? https://wlos.com/news/local/viral-video-catches-woman-yelling-racial-slurs-in-downtown-asheville

She just got hit by a fire truck. https://wlos.com/news/local/rachel-dawn-ruit-hit-by-truck-patton-avenue-viral-racist-rant-asheville-fire-department

She's lucky paramedics even went to her after her little tirade.

[Bhaalizmo]

She's lucky paramedics even went to her after her little tirade.

Well they were behind the fire truck, so...

[Stolis]

Well they were behind the fire truck, so...

Speedbump. Don't even look back. Don't acknowledge it, just wash the truck when you get back to the station.

[Ardwen]

Here in New hampshire we had ouw own dose of karma

New Hampshire pro-Trump radio host Dianna Ploss has been fired after she filmed herself harassing and berating a construction crew for speaking Spanish to one another. According to the Daily Mail, Ploss was headed to work on July 10 when she passed by a construction crew and overheard a white worker speaking Spanish to his co-workers.

Seriously these idiotic attacks from all corners are getting way out of hand.

[Bhaalizmo]

Here in New hampshire we had ouw own dose of karma

New Hampshire pro-Trump radio host Dianna Ploss has been fired after she filmed herself harassing and berating a construction crew for speaking Spanish to one another. According to the Daily Mail, Ploss was headed to work on July 10 when she passed by a construction crew and overheard a white worker speaking Spanish to his co-workers.

Seriously these idiotic attacks from all corners are getting way out of hand.



I think it's amusing when they feel emboldened by 4 5 to be racist on camera. And then the blowback arrives.

[Tgo01]

I swear it's getting impossible to tell the difference between satire and real news these days. I for sure thought this story was fake when I first read it but apparently it's real:

LA teachers union demands defunding the police and charter 'moratorium' before reopening schools (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/la-teachers-union-demands-defunding-the-police-and-charter-moratorium-before-reopening-schools)

Yes that's right, the LA teachers union says they won't go back to work until the police AND charter schools are defunded.

Now the question is will the local government have the balls to say "Fuck you and your stupid shit" to the union and start replacing them if they won't go back, or will they cave in to these dumb ass demands. Considering it's LA I'm thinking it's the latter.

Also anyone else find it funny how everyone was like "Oh those nurses and doctors! So brave to go to work everyday even though they are risking certain death! They really went into their professions for the right reason: to help people! Not for money!"

And when it comes to teachers refusing to go to work unless all of their dumb ass demands are met and now these same people are like "Fuck yeah! Fuck those little shits! They don't need a fucking education! Use their futures as a bargaining chip to get everything you want!"

[Methais]

I’ll send Methais, $100 right now to cover my end. I’m sure you could do the same right?
My bet is simply Trump won’t win re-election, if he dies or whatever, the bet would be off.

No need to admit defeat this early, but the thought is still appreciated.


And how many people can throw around $10k here?

Did you know that time4fun pays more in taxes than everyone else here earns combined?

[Methais]

How do you want to do it? Where do we send the money that guarantees the winner gets the proceeds.

Wyrom.

[Methais]

Here in New hampshire we had ouw own dose of karma

New Hampshire pro-Trump radio host Dianna Ploss has been fired after she filmed herself harassing and berating a construction crew for speaking Spanish to one another. According to the Daily Mail, Ploss was headed to work on July 10 when she passed by a construction crew and overheard a white worker speaking Spanish to his co-workers.

Seriously these idiotic attacks from all corners are getting way out of hand.

Actual footage of Dianna Ploss before getting out of her car to yell at them:

https://i.gifer.com/origin/5d/5d86bd9cd70f7a4c44e8b464ca05c2c3_w200.gif

EDIT: It was a big car. With furniture.

[Methais]

I swear it's getting impossible to tell the difference between satire and real news these days. I for sure thought this story was fake when I first read it but apparently it's real:

LA teachers union demands defunding the police and charter 'moratorium' before reopening schools (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/la-teachers-union-demands-defunding-the-police-and-charter-moratorium-before-reopening-schools)

Yes that's right, the LA teachers union says they won't go back to work until the police AND charter schools are defunded.

School shootings in these places should be interesting this year.

[RichardCranium]

I think it's amusing when they feel emboldened by 4 5 to be racist on camera. And then the blowback arrives.

Sounds like a dumb fucking racist being dumb and racist to me. I'm not sure how you equate that to Trump making her feel emboldened.

[ClydeR]

President Trump speaking at the April 27 coronavirus briefing..



And we had a fantastic call with the governors today, and I would say that they are as — as thrilled as they can be, considering that the fact is that there has been so much unnecessary death in this country. It could have been stopped and it could have been stopped short, but somebody a long time ago, it seems, decided not to do it that way. And the whole world is suffering because of it — 184 countries at least.

More... (https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/remarks-president-trump-vice-president-pence-members-coronavirus-task-force-press-briefing-33/)

Who is Somebody? And what could Somebody have done to stop the virus? Also, I like that the governors were thrilled, except for there being so much death.

[Methais]

Sounds like a dumb fucking racist being dumb and racist to me. I'm not sure how you equate that to Trump making her feel emboldened.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mc0VGpBnSpI

[Bhaalizmo]

Sounds like a dumb fucking racist being dumb and racist to me. I'm not sure how you equate that to Trump making her feel emboldened.

Do you not think that 4 5 being in the position he is while being openly racist and supportive of racists emboldens people who feel similarly to do the same? It's like he's made it popular.

[Tgo01]

Do you not think that 4 5 being in the position he is while being openly racist and supportive of racists emboldens people who feel similarly to do the same? It's like he's made it popular.

I would ask you exactly how Trump has been racist, but let's face it you have nothing and will just tell me to Google it.

[Parkbandit]

I would ask you exactly how Trump has been racist, but let's face it you have nothing and will just tell me to Google it.

CNN told him.. so it must be true.

[Bhaalizmo]

I would ask you exactly how Trump has been racist, but let's face it you have nothing and will just tell me to Google it.

I know its not worth the effort because you act as if it's not obvious and true. So, I won't even bother to tell you to Google it, because you're a racist defending a racist.

[Tgo01]

I know its not worth the effort because you act as if it's not obvious and true. So, I won't even bother to tell you to Google it, because you're a racist defending a racist.

I am shocked this is your response!

Shocked!

Well, not that shocked.

[Bhaalizmo]

CNN told him.. so it must be true.

I have eyes and ears, it is apparent and has been for decades. CNN not required.

[time4fun]

I would ask you exactly how Trump has been racist, but let's face it you have nothing and will just tell me to Google it.

You were provided with multiple examples of this in another thread, and you chose to ignore it.

It's disingenuous, in the very least, for you to pull this line back out again.

[Tgo01]

You were provided with multiple examples of this in another thread, and you chose to ignore it.

It's disingenuous, in the very least, for you to pull this line back out again.

Oh good, a non-half-naked woman had to come to Bhaalizmo's defense because he apparently can't do this on his own.

If you don't mind your argument being completely destroyed then go ahead and tell me those things here. If you're just going to shove your fingers so far in your ears that you cause even more brain damage then don't bother wasting my time.

[~Rocktar~]

I am shocked this is your response!

Shocked!

Well, not that shocked.

Don't like, you are even the least bit shocked.