Wuhan Virus

[Seran]

#Fauxdemic, #Fakepandemic, #OpenAmerica, #LetMyPeopleGo, #BuyAmerican

https://www.dailywire.com/news/narrative-fail-15-days-after-lockdown-ease-georgia-sees-lowest-day-of-covid-hospitalizations

Such a failed narrative - 9 days out of the last 15 had the count of new, confirmed Coronavirus infections exceeding that of April 24th when reopening orders we made.

[Neveragain]

Such a failed narrative - 9 days out of the last 15 had the count of new, confirmed Coronavirus infections exceeding that of April 24th when reopening orders we made.

The failed narrative is where we wait for a vaccine. Considering we have never discovered a vaccine for any form of corona virus, we may as well set the return to normal for when we put man on Mars.

[Gelston]

The failed narrative is where we wait for a vaccine. Considering we have never discovered a vaccine for any form of corona virus, we may as well set the return to normal for when we put man on Mars.

We have vaccines for different coronavirus... For other animals.

[Seran]

The failed narrative is where we wait for a vaccine. Considering we have never discovered a vaccine for any form of corona virus, we may as well set the return to normal for when we put man on Mars.

Which is precisely why so many states have turned their reopening plans as being dependant on testing capabilities, contact tracing and hospitalization capacity. California for example wants the ability to identify someone within 24 hours of admission and be able to quarantine all of those that person had contact with the severely reduce community transmission. That a state had to come up with such a plan before the federal government is just sad

[Neveragain]

Which is precisely why so many states have turned their reopening plans as being dependant on testing capabilities, contact tracing and hospitalization capacity. California for example wants the ability to identify someone within 24 hours of admission and be able to quarantine all of those that person had contact with the severely reduce community transmission. That a state had to come up with such a plan before the federal government is just sad

California is ran by retards though. Musk wanting to move his Tesla factory away from CA is the best news I've heard all week.

[~Rocktar~]

California is ran by retards though. Musk wanting to move his Tesla factory away from CA is the best news I've heard all week.

The problem is, all those Blue state workers bring their Blue state voting with them and then wonder why the lovely state they moved too turns into a shithole. Re: Colorado, Arizona and others.

[~Rocktar~]

https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/96804188_2949929205093024_1587529090670264320_n.jp g?_nc_cat=103&_nc_sid=110474&_nc_ohc=MJczCJy3g94AX8q5vZw&_nc_ht=scontent-atl3-1.xx&oh=53dcb24afaca98928821f4dbaadee6db&oe=5EDDEAA4

https://news.yahoo.com/birx-said-nothing-cdc-trust-044212374.html

[Tgo01]

There is no case for it. Trump has zero authority on it.

Plenty of arguments could be made:

1) States are infringing on people's civil liberties by keeping their citizens on lockdown.
2) States keeping their economies on lockdown constitutes a national emergency that the federal government can intervene in.
3) States preventing critical employees for national defense purposes from working which again constitutes an emergency.
4) States keeping their economies locked down is putting the national food supply in danger, once again constituting a national emergency.

Those are just 4 off the top of my head. Again I don't know how the courts would decide but it's for sure something the courts would immediately weigh in on and it's something the President's legal team sure as shit could make a case for.

[Tgo01]

Such a failed narrative - 9 days out of the last 15 had the count of new, confirmed Coronavirus infections exceeding that of April 24th when reopening orders we made.

What a misleading and lying piece of shit you are.

First of all the state opened on the 24th, meaning we should be comparing the numbers to the 23rd since that is the last day of infections before the state reopened.

April 23rd cases: 781
24th: 608
25th: 725
26th: 265
27th: 737
28th: 643
29th: 785
30th: 618
1st: 1,023
2nd: 834
3rd: 341
4th: 767
5th: 467
6th: 833
7th: 842
8th: 598
9th: 390

That gives us FIVE days where the number of infections were higher than the last day the state was on complete lockdown, and those days are:

April 29th: 785 - .5% higher
May 1st: 1023 - 31% higher
2nd: 834 - 7% higher
6th: 833 - 6.6% higher
7th: 842 - 7.8% higher

So were there days after the state reopened where they had more infections than before the state reopened? Yes. Other than the outlier of May 1st they were all under an 8% increase, so basically it's been flat this entire time.

Why is that? Because once again: lockdowns aren't working!

This has been proven in NY already where 90% of newly infected people were already on lockdown.

This has now been proven in Georgia where their infection rate has stated pretty much the same since the lockdown measures were lifted.

Your side of the argument has already lost. No amount of deflections or outright lying is going to change facts. The Democrat party saw this as their greatest opportunity to tank the economy to increase their chances of winning in November so they went for it.

In normal times rational people would look to Georgia and say "Huh, maybe lockdowns aren't working." But these aren't normal times. This is the time where the left has completely lost their shit because they were so certain Hillary would be president, so pieces of absolute shit such as yourself twist the facts and outright lie to make it look like Georgia has somehow gone to complete shit since April 24th, when in fact the exact opposite of true.

[Seran]

What a misleading and lying piece of shit you are.

First of all the state opened on the 24th, meaning we should be comparing the numbers to the 23rd since that is the last day of infections before the state reopened.

April 23rd cases: 781
24th: 608
25th: 725
26th: 265
27th: 737
28th: 643
29th: 785
30th: 618
1st: 1,023
2nd: 834
3rd: 341
4th: 767
5th: 467
6th: 833
7th: 842
8th: 598
9th: 390

That gives us FIVE days where the number of infections were higher than the last day the state was on complete lockdown, and those days are:

April 29th: 785 - .5% higher
May 1st: 1023 - 31% higher
2nd: 834 - 7% higher
6th: 833 - 6.6% higher
7th: 842 - 7.8% higher

So were there days after the state reopened where they had more infections than before the state reopened? Yes. Other than the outlier of May 1st they were all under an 8% increase, so basically it's been flat this entire time.

Why is that? Because once again: lockdowns aren't working!

This has been proven in NY already where 90% of newly infected people were already on lockdown.

This has now been proven in Georgia where their infection rate has stated pretty much the same since the lockdown measures were lifted.

Your side of the argument has already lost. No amount of deflections or outright lying is going to change facts. The Democrat party saw this as their greatest opportunity to tank the economy to increase their chances of winning in November so they went for it.

In normal times rational people would look to Georgia and say "Huh, maybe lockdowns aren't working." But these aren't normal times. This is the time where the left has completely lost their shit because they were so certain Hillary would be president, so pieces of absolute shit such as yourself twist the facts and outright lie to make it look like Georgia has somehow gone to complete shit since April 24th, when in fact the exact opposite of true.

Except I said the 24th and my numbers are perfectly accurate, it's absolutely insane to think that these dumb fuck conservatives cherry pick obscure statistics in order to convince themselves their bad management is working. The fact there has been such a huge number of new infections since the numbers released on the /24th/ like I said, that anyone would claim any type of victory. Honestly, if it were just the Trump lovers who were getting sick for opening up too early, I'd be happy to chalk this all up to natural selection, except all of these idiots are bringing home the virus to their children, their elders, their infirm and causing those poor souls to die. Go drink some bleach Dreaven.

[Solkern]

Plenty of arguments could be made:

1) States are infringing on people's civil liberties by keeping their citizens on lockdown.
2) States keeping their economies on lockdown constitutes a national emergency that the federal government can intervene in.
3) States preventing critical employees for national defense purposes from working which again constitutes an emergency.
4) States keeping their economies locked down is putting the national food supply in danger, once again constituting a national emergency.

Those are just 4 off the top of my head. Again I don't know how the courts would decide but it's for sure something the courts would immediately weigh in on and it's something the President's legal team sure as shit could make a case for.
1. What civil liberties are they infringing on? Because it’s in the constitution, that the state can decide on ALL quarantine and isolation matters.
2. Declaring a national emergency, would be trying to break the constitution and would lead to nothing.
3. Refer to 2.
4. No, the coronavirus is putting the national food supply chain in danger, not the states.

[Tgo01]

Except I said the 24th

No shit you said the 24th and I just explained to you why that's bullshit.

The state OPENED on the 24th, meaning people were going to salons and literally coughing and sneezing directly into each other's mouths on the 24th.

April 23rd was the last day of complete lockdowns in Georgia, so if you want to compare daily infection rates to the last day the state was locked down you compare them to the 23rd.

I'm just surprised you didn't compare everything to the 26th which only had 265 daily infections. "Well you should go by 2 days after the state reopened because reasons, so every single day after the state reopened they had more infections compared to when the state was shut down!"

Again you are literally arguing against facts, making up your own facts, completely shitting all over Republican governors when their states do well, and praise shittyly run Democrat states when their states do poorly because they are still keeping everyone locked down. You don't give a single shit about this virus, you don't give a single shit about people dying, you don't give a single shit about anything other destroying the economy at all costs because it's the Democrats' best chance at winning in November. You have just proven that once and for all with this bullshit post of yours.

You have lost, Seran. You and Archigeek have no more arguments to make in favor of continued lockdowns which is why you both are now ignoring the evidence and lashing out whenever someone points out the evidence showing the lockdowns don't work.

It's time to get that head of yours pulled out of your ass, the hospitals are opening back up so I'm sure some proctologist is up to the challenge.

[Tgo01]

1. What civil liberties are they infringing on? Because it’s in the constitution, that the state can decide on ALL quarantine and isolation matters.

Uh....the right to assemble, the right of association, the right to worship, the right to fucking earn a living.

We aren't talking about quarantining sick people here, we are talking about quarantining healthy people, something that has literally never been done before and something there is exactly zero basis for.


2. Declaring a national emergency, would be trying to break the constitution and would lead to nothing.
3. Refer to 2.

This is a dumb argument. "You're wrong because."


4. No, the coronavirus is putting the national food supply chain in danger, not the states.

No, it's the states. Is the Wuhan virus making me stay at home? Is the Wuhan virus telling me I can't go to work and earn a living? Is the Wuhan virus telling me to close my business? Is the Wuhan virus telling me I can't go to church?

Because last I checked it was the states doing all of those things and using the Wuhan virus as an excuse.

[Solkern]

#Fauxdemic, #Fakepandemic, #OpenAmerica, #LetMyPeopleGo, #BuyAmerican

https://www.dailywire.com/news/narrative-fail-15-days-after-lockdown-ease-georgia-sees-lowest-day-of-covid-hospitalizations

Question, so in the coming days/week if Georgia has a major uptick of coronavirus cases, what would you say then?

[Solkern]

Uh....the right to assemble, the right of association, the right to worship, the right to fucking earn a living.

We aren't talking about quarantining sick people here, we are talking about quarantining healthy people, something that has literally never been done before and something there is exactly zero basis for.



This is a dumb argument. "You're wrong because."



No, it's the states. Is the Wuhan virus making me stay at home? Is the Wuhan virus telling me I can't go to work and earn a living? Is the Wuhan virus telling me to close my business? Is the Wuhan virus telling me I can't go to church?

Because last I checked it was the states doing all of those things and using the Wuhan virus as an excuse.

I’m not sure you fully understand what quarantine is, quarantine is keeping HEALTHY people away from others, to stop the possible spread from sick to healthy people.. isolation is keeping sick people away from others

And it’s in the constitution that states during national emergencies and pandemics have this authority to do so.
During national emergencies and pandemics, some of your rights, are temporarily that’s the keyword temporarily taken away, due to the pandemic and national emergency, and yes By the constitutional law they are allowed to do this whether you like it or not.

They are taken away to help stop the pandemic from getting worse. I understand that you don’t agree with this method, I understand you think it’s causing more harm than good. But that doesn’t change the laws, nor the constitution in this matter.


The coronavirus is the reason for the state lockdown. No other reasons, so yes we declared a national emergency and state lock down solely due to the coronavirus.

[Tgo01]

Question, so in the coming days/week if Georgia has a major uptick of coronavirus cases, what would you say then?

What would YOU say then?

This is what gets me about you lockdown fanatics.

Lockdown fanatics: "We can't open up the country! Look at all of the infections and people dying with lockdowns in place!"
States reopen just fine and no problem for 2+ weeks.
Lockdown fanatics:
Slight uptick in infections.
Lockdown fanatics: "SEE! The state should have stayed locked down!"

[SonoftheNorth]

What would YOU say then?

This is what gets me about you lockdown fanatics.

Lockdown fanatics: "We can't open up the country! Look at all of the infections and people dying with lockdowns in place!"
States reopen just fine and no problem for 2+ weeks.
Lockdown fanatics:
Slight uptick in infections.
Lockdown fanatics: "SEE! The state should have stayed locked down!"

It's usually tied to people who are making more money collecting unemployment than they were working from what I've seen

[Tgo01]

I’m not sure you fully understand what quarantine is, quarantine is keeping HEALTHY people away from others

No it's not. A quarantine is for keeping sick people away from healthy people, not the other way around. You could also stretch this to be people who were possibly exposed to a virus (such as when the astronauts returned from the moon), but I am not aware of a time in history where healthy people with no evidence of exposure to a disease were forced into quarantine. You are literally just making up a new definition of quarantine to justify the continued lockdowns.

[Solkern]

What would YOU say then?

This is what gets me about you lockdown fanatics.

Lockdown fanatics: "We can't open up the country! Look at all of the infections and people dying with lockdowns in place!"
States reopen just fine and no problem for 2+ weeks.
Lockdown fanatics:
Slight uptick in infections.
Lockdown fanatics: "SEE! The state should have stayed locked down!"

I’m not a lockdown fanatic at all, I want this to end as fast as possible. My brother and mother are struggling due to this. But they also want to make sure that they don’t get sick from states opening up too quickly. Especially when cases are still on the rise, and especially when the White House set guidelines for when states to start reopening and the states aren’t following it.

[Solkern]

No it's not. A quarantine is for keeping sick people away from healthy people, not the other way around. You could also stretch this to be people who were possibly exposed to a virus (such as when the astronauts returned from the moon), but I am not aware of a time in history where healthy people with no evidence of exposure to a disease were forced into quarantine. You are literally just making up a new definition of quarantine to justify the continued lockdowns.


Here let me help you.

Isolation separates sick people with a contagious disease from people who are not sick.
Quarantine separates and restricts the movement of people who were exposed to a contagious disease to see if they become sick.


Since we have shit wide spread testing, we don’t know who has covid19 and who doesn’t. Because this disease is highly Contagious that’s why we have state quarantine and lockdowns

[Tgo01]

It's usually tied to people who are making more money collecting unemployment than they were working from what I've seen

List of people who want lockdowns to continue:

1) Rich celebrities and people in the media who continue to receive a paycheck who want to virtue signal
2) People still allowed to work and continue to collect a paycheck
3) People allowed to work from home only because of the lockdown and they don't want to commute to work again
4) People who are making more on unemployment than they were working
5) People who still have savings they can burn through

That's the list. Find me someone who doesn't fall into one of the 5 above categories who is pushing for continued lockdowns to last for weeks/months longer.

[Tgo01]

Quarantine separates and restricts the movement of people who were exposed to a contagious disease to see if they become sick.

How are you just blindly ignoring your own words here? What proof do you have that I have been exposed to a contagious disease? You have exactly zero proof. Yet you are assuming I have been and thus saying I should be quarantined. By this logic the state can decide to quarantine people for literally any reason they want.

"Hey it's flu season, people! You know what that means! Yes, you MIGHT have been exposed to a contagious disease so it's time to lockdown again!"

[Solkern]

You are the one making up definitions not me.

https://www.hhs.gov/answers/public-health-and-safety/what-is-the-difference-between-isolation-and-quarantine/index.html

https://www.cdc.gov/quarantine/index.html

I’m sure you can google it yourself, and it will tell you the difference.

[Solkern]

How are you just blindly ignoring your own words here? What proof do you have that I have been exposed to a contagious disease? You have exactly zero proof. Yet you are assuming I have been and thus saying I should be quarantined. By this logic the state can decide to quarantine people for literally any reason they want.

"Hey it's flu season, people! You know what that means! Yes, you MIGHT have been exposed to a contagious disease so it's time to lockdown again!"


With a highly Contagious disease and very limited testing anyone and everyone can be exposed, you don’t know who has it and who doesn’t. that’s why they’re taking these precautions to quarantine and lock down the states

[Tgo01]

You are the one making up definitions not me.

https://www.hhs.gov/answers/public-health-and-safety/what-is-the-difference-between-isolation-and-quarantine/index.html

https://www.cdc.gov/quarantine/index.html

I’m sure you can google it yourself, and it will tell you the difference.


I am not aware of a time in history where healthy people with no evidence of exposure to a disease were forced into quarantine.

Your definitions seem to back up exactly what I am saying.

[Solkern]

How are you just blindly ignoring your own words here? What proof do you have that I have been exposed to a contagious disease? You have exactly zero proof. Yet you are assuming I have been and thus saying I should be quarantined. By this logic the state can decide to quarantine people for literally any reason they want.

"Hey it's flu season, people! You know what that means! Yes, you MIGHT have been exposed to a contagious disease so it's time to lockdown again!"


I’m not blindly ignoring anything. WHO WERE EXPOSED, NOT SICK. They quarantine to see if they show symptoms of being sick and infected. NOT people who are already sick.

You isolate people who do show symptoms and are sick.

That’s the difference.

[Tgo01]

With a highly Contagious disease and very limited testing anyone and everyone can be exposed

We have now gone from "Quarantine is separating people who WERE exposed to a contagious disease" to "Quarantine is separating everyone because a contagious disease is spreading."

https://cdn1.thecomeback.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/94/2018/10/pivot-friends.jpg


I’m not blindly ignoring anything. WHO WERE EXPOSED

Yes, WHO WERE EXPOSED, not WHO MIGHT BE EXPOSED SIMPLY BY VIRTUE OF THERE BEING A CONTAGIOUS DISEASE SOMEWHERE IN THE WORLD.

[~Rocktar~]

Except I said the 24th and my numbers are perfectly accurate, it's absolutely insane to think that these dumb fuck conservatives cherry pick obscure statistics in order to convince themselves their bad management is working. The fact there has been such a huge number of new infections since the numbers released on the /24th/ like I said, that anyone would claim any type of victory. Honestly, if it were just the Trump lovers who were getting sick for opening up too early, I'd be happy to chalk this all up to natural selection, except all of these idiots are bringing home the virus to their children, their elders, their infirm and causing those poor souls to die. Go drink some bleach Dreaven.

About 10 million live in Georgia, there are 10,476 confirmed new cases since opening from April 23 to May 9. That is about 0.10476 % of the population. The mortality rate is somewhere at highest around 0.3% in the worst of cases based of the LA and NYC research (as more accurate information comes out about infection rates and actual deaths as opposed to the currently padded number, this is likely to go way down). That means 31.428 dead maybe from new cases since opening up or maybe. Since the annual death rate is about 10.9 per 1000 per year based on the CIA factbook updated Dec 7 2019, that means every day, about 298.636 people died in Georgia on 2019. So, given the possible deaths per day of about 1.964 from Covid on top of the original 298.636 per day, that is: 1.964/298.636 = 0.006577 (rounded) or a 0.6577 percent increase in deaths per day.

So, we have 31.428 total possible dead from the new cases. We can round to 32 to make Democrats happy since they love rounding up deaths and cases and so on.
So about 2 deaths per day total from the new cases.
This will drive a total increase in mortality rate for the state up about 0.66 percent.

This is AFTER reopening vs pre-virus numbers.

To put this in perspective, in 2018 there were about 33000 abortions in Georgia, or about 92.6966 per day. So, in Georgia, after the reopening of the state, abortion is 47.198 times more lethal than Covid 19.

Georgia's homicide rate is about 7.7 per 100,000 per the CDC so that means about 2.1 people murdered every day.

Your fear is that you can't control who Covid will kill and it might infect you. Not that you give one shit about saving lives.

[Solkern]

What proof do you have that I have been exposed to a contagious disease?

And what proof do you have that they weren’t? That’s the entire point of Quarantine.
You don’t know if you were exposed, and with limited and unreliable testing, and asymptomatic people running around, it’s hard to be sure.
That’s why they are quarantining people.

[Solkern]

We have now gone from "Quarantine is separating people who WERE exposed to a contagious disease" to "Quarantine is separating everyone because a contagious disease is spreading."
Yes, WHO WERE EXPOSED, not WHO MIGHT BE EXPOSED SIMPLY BY VIRTUE OF THERE BEING A CONTAGIOUS DISEASE SOMEWHERE IN THE WORLD.

Were you exposed to the virus? You don’t know, you don’t get tested after everytime you go out. Who knows if someone that walked past you had the virus.

[Solkern]

You can read the full scope of the law here.
Whether you like it or not the states have the authority to quarantine and isolate people including locking down the state. How they see fit, their reach regarding it, is extremely broad.

https://www.cdc.gov/quarantine/aboutlawsregulationsquarantineisolation.html

That’s in the constitution, you have to accept it, even if you don’t agree with the methods.

[Tgo01]

And what proof do you have that they weren’t?

I don't have to prove a negative.


That’s the entire point of Quarantine.

No the point of a quarantine is for people who are sick or people we have reason to believe might be infected.

Typical cases for quarantining someone:

They were in a lab with viruses and the viruses got loose somehow meaning the people working there were exposed.
Someone who came into close contact with someone who was confirmed to have the virus.
They were in an environment we know nothing about (this is my astronaut/moon example)

Typical cases for NOT quarantining someone:

Cause the government says so.

[Solkern]

Anyways, in my opinion for Trump to have the best chances to win his re-election, I think the country should stay on lockdown till July 31st, and during this time, prepare for reopening August 1st(Subjected to change moving forward based on the current status, but that’s better than keep moving backwards, as people feel that there is no end).
That gives him a solid 3 months of the economy and job recovery. Leading up to the November vote. Having this date set firmly would stop the flip-flopping that everyone in the government is doing.

During this time ramp of testing, and have companies start the rehiring process for a start date of August. Provide more direct stimulus check relief to people. Same as the last one $1200 for 3 to 4 more months.
Provide payroll relief to companies that rehire back to 80%-100% pre-covid19 days from August till the economy starts rolling again

Opening now and having the possibility of a giant second wave happening in fall or before and re-shutting the economy would destroy his re-election chances.
If my memory is correct, the last direct stimulus checks cost tax payers 300bln. This would add another trillion or so to the already massive debt.
But I don’t see a better alternative than this.

People have short term memories on shit like this. They’ll remember how things are recently and now, rather than 6-8 months ago. And he can say, I brought the country out of this horrible time... just in time for the election.

[Tgo01]

Democrats are now actively bashing and attacking (via words not physically...although I'm sure that's the left's next terrorist action) businesses who open and the customers who go into their businesses.

Seriously there is a story on Twitter now of a restaurant opening for Mother's Day and it being packed with people and the left is disparaging everyone on video, literally wishing them death for daring to go to a restaurant.

It's way past time for you all to stop voting Democrat, they are nothing but terrorist at this point. Plain and simple.

[Tgo01]

I’m not a lockdown fanatic at all


I think the country should stay on lockdown till July 31st

A fucking 4.5 MONTH lockdown based on zero evidence lockdowns even work isn't a "lockdown fanatic"? Get outta here.

We were just talking about how Georgia hasn't had a problem in over 2 weeks since some lockdown restrictions were removed but you think we still need another 2 month lockdown?

This doesn't even make sense on the face of it. You're contagious for at most 3 weeks, AT MOST. What good does a 4.5 month lockdown do? This is insanity.

[Solkern]

A fucking 4.5 MONTH lockdown based on zero evidence lockdowns even work isn't a "lockdown fanatic"? Get outta here.

We were just talking about how Georgia hasn't had a problem in over 2 weeks since some lockdown restrictions were removed but you think we still need another 2 month lockdown?

This doesn't even make sense on the face of it. You're contagious for at most 3 weeks, AT MOST. What good does a 4.5 month lockdown do? This is insanity.

Obviously you didn’t read anything except that. Did I say I want the lockdown? I said I believe for trump to have his best chance of winning re-election, this is the best path forward.

[Tgo01]

Obviously you didn’t read anything except that. Did I say I want the lockdown? I said I believe for trump to have his best chance of winning re-election, this is the best path forward.

No I don't think completely tanking the economy is going to work in Trump's favor.

I'm honestly surprised the economy is still doing as well as it is, just goes to show how strong all of the protections we have implemented over the years (like unemployment) are working. But I don't think it can survive almost 5 months of this shit.

[Solkern]

No I don't think completely tanking the economy is going to work in Trump's favor.

I'm honestly surprised the economy is still doing as well as it is, just goes to show how strong all of the protections we have implemented over the years (like unemployment) are working. But I don't think it can survive almost 5 months of this shit.


I believe tanking now(well holding on), and recovering and getting stronger before the election is better than states opening and closing non stop till the election in terms of his re-election bid.. a stable economy that is growing and recovering is better than an really unstable economy. Yeah our economy has done surprisingly well! I hope it can continue to hold on till we are out of this mess.

[Seran]

About 10 million live in Georgia, there are 10,476 confirmed new cases since opening from April 23 to May 9. That is about 0.10476 % of the population. The mortality rate is somewhere at highest around 0.3% in the worst of cases based of the LA and NYC research (as more accurate information comes out about infection rates and actual deaths as opposed to the currently padded number, this is likely to go way down). That means 31.428 dead maybe from new cases since opening up or maybe. Since the annual death rate is about 10.9 per 1000 per year based on the CIA factbook updated Dec 7 2019, that means every day, about 298.636 people died in Georgia on 2019. So, given the possible deaths per day of about 1.964 from Covid on top of the original 298.636 per day, that is: 1.964/298.636 = 0.006577 (rounded) or a 0.6577 percent increase in deaths per day.

So, we have 31.428 total possible dead from the new cases. We can round to 32 to make Democrats happy since they love rounding up deaths and cases and so on.
So about 2 deaths per day total from the new cases.
This will drive a total increase in mortality rate for the state up about 0.66 percent.

This is AFTER reopening vs pre-virus numbers.

To put this in perspective, in 2018 there were about 33000 abortions in Georgia, or about 92.6966 per day. So, in Georgia, after the reopening of the state, abortion is 47.198 times more lethal than Covid 19.

Georgia's homicide rate is about 7.7 per 100,000 per the CDC so that means about 2.1 people murdered every day.

Your fear is that you can't control who Covid will kill and it might infect you. Not that you give one shit about saving lives.

People are still dying of other causes, on top of this highly contagious and deadly coronavirus, which is why your perspective is so absolutely insane. Do you think people are going to suddenly stop getting sick, getting shot, dying in fires or die in any number of other ways simply because they have COVID-19? You're absolutely insane if you think that.

[Seran]

Preventative measures such as quarantine and social distancing is about reducing the number of communicable infections and thus reducing the number of COVID-19 deaths.

[~Rocktar~]

People are still dying of other causes, on top of this highly contagious and deadly coronavirus, which is why your perspective is so absolutely insane. Do you think people are going to suddenly stop getting sick, getting shot, dying in fires or die in any number of other ways simply because they have COVID-19? You're absolutely insane if you think that.

I really appreciate your 100% lack of reading comprehension. I noted the current death rates, the increased due to Covid to the current death rates, the over all death rate due to abortion and homicide to add perspective. Proof positive that you are completely blind to facts that don't come from the Leftist dick of CNN.

Covid will be responsible for a 0.66 percent increase in death based on the current numbers. Not 1%, not 2%, not 5% like we were told. And that is based on the POST reopen numbers, not the numbers during quarantine. Now you fucking idiot, we know that millions more have been infected than we can prove so that means the mortality rate is MUCH lower than we currently know.

Now dumbass, since I included all the other types of death in the totals, please tell me how the hell you come to the conclusion that I think that people won't stop dying from other causes? That's right fucktard, I didn't, I just provided other sources of death to provide perspective on how many people the virus is actually killing.

OH, and to add one more point, the mortality rate will continue to go down as treatments improve.

Damn you are dumb, did you hit your head when you were young, chew doorways, did your mother drink like an Irish fish while smoking 4 packs a day when carrying you? What? It takes work to be this stupid.

[Seran]

I really appreciate your 100% lack of reading comprehension. I noted the current death rates, the increased due to Covid to the current death rates, the over all death rate due to abortion and homicide to add perspective. Proof positive that you are completely blind to facts that don't come from the Leftist dick of CNN.

Covid will be responsible for a 0.66 percent increase in death based on the current numbers. Not 1%, not 2%, not 5% like we were told. And that is based on the POST reopen numbers, not the numbers during quarantine. Now you fucking idiot, we know that millions more have been infected than we can prove so that means the mortality rate is MUCH lower than we currently know.

Now dumbass, since I included all the other types of death in the totals, please tell me how the hell you come to the conclusion that I think that people won't stop dying from other causes? That's right fucktard, I didn't, I just provided other sources of death to provide perspective on how many people the virus is actually killing.

OH, and to add one more point, the mortality rate will continue to go down as treatments improve.

Damn you are dumb, did you hit your head when you were young, chew doorways, did your mother drink like an Irish fish while smoking 4 packs a day when carrying you? What? It takes work to be this stupid.

I knew you were Dreaven.

[~Rocktar~]

I knew you were Dreaven.

You don't know anything and you are simply wrong.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

And what proof do you have that they weren’t? That’s the entire point of Quarantine.
You don’t know if you were exposed, and with limited and unreliable testing, and asymptomatic people running around, it’s hard to be sure.
That’s why they are quarantining people.

So basically they should have locked you up in China. Then locked you up in Italy. Then locked you up in Russia. If that whole fairy tale you spun was true. Funny how you are for full lock downs and quarantines now, yet you ran all over the fucking world in epidemic centers and then decided you HAD to come back to the US.

[~Rocktar~]

So basically they should have locked you up in China. Then locked you up in Italy. Then locked you up in Russia. If that whole fairy tale you spun was true. Funny how you are for full lock downs and quarantines now, yet you ran all over the fucking world in epidemic centers and then decided you HAD to come back to the US.

(best Brad Pitt - Gerry Lee accent) Is Solkern patient zero?

[Solkern]

(best Brad Pitt - Gerry Lee accent) Is Solkern patient zero?

Maybe.... ��

[Gelston]

https://scontent.fmem1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/97112063_10220108844168677_494240187606368256_o.jp g?_nc_cat=107&_nc_sid=8024bb&_nc_ohc=WO0yDETLjUcAX9vaQ3f&_nc_ht=scontent.fmem1-2.fna&oh=a2e16bc0e7a620e000c7c65ba91cd57c&oe=5EDF9530

Maybe Texas is a little premature.

[Tgo01]

750 new daily deaths yesterday, the lowest number in 42 days.

That means it's time to get ready for an all time high within the next few days. I'm sure NY can retroactively find some new drug overdoses or car accidents to add to the total.

[Tgo01]

https://scontent.fmem1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/97112063_10220108844168677_494240187606368256_o.jp g?_nc_cat=107&_nc_sid=8024bb&_nc_ohc=WO0yDETLjUcAX9vaQ3f&_nc_ht=scontent.fmem1-2.fna&oh=a2e16bc0e7a620e000c7c65ba91cd57c&oe=5EDF9530

Maybe Texas is a little premature.

Everything looks pretty stable in that chart. The line is cumulative cases and deaths so that number is always going to trend up like that until the number of new cases/deaths a day reaches 0.

The bars at the bottom are new daily cases/deaths and they both look flat pretty since the beginning of April.

[Gelston]

Everything looks pretty stable in that chart. The line is cumulative cases and deaths so that number is always going to trend up like that until the number of new cases/deaths a day reaches 0.

The bars at the bottom are new daily cases/deaths and they both look flat pretty since the beginning of April.

The infections are rising at a steady rate. They shouldn't be. It isn't showing that plateauing effect that there should be. They've gone up around 3k cases in the last 3 days. 1000 new cases a day is pretty shitastic.

[Gelston]

Today's update confirms 1000 additional new cases in Texas over yesterday too.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I had to go to the DMV today to get our new car registered. After I was going to go by Home Depot to get some bird feed and a new hose, but there were STUPID amounts of people there. Completely full HD parking lot, I'd guess 70% without masks, no lines or spacing. Today is the first day of "limited" reopening in Kansas. Limited my ass, and its' like the past 8 weeks haven't happened. I not a doomsday believer, but for real I expect a spike in cases in 5-10 days.

edit to add: I had a mask and decided bird food and hose could wait or be ordered online. Ridiculous amounts of people, really.

[Wrathbringer]

I had to go to the DMV today to get our new car registered. After I was going to go by Home Depot to get some bird feed and a new hose, but there were STUPID amounts of people there. Completely full HD parking lot, I'd guess 70% without masks, no lines or spacing. Today is the first day of "limited" reopening in Kansas. Limited my ass, and its' like the past 8 weeks haven't happened. I not a doomsday believer, but for real I expect a spike in cases in 5-10 days.

edit to add: I had a mask and decided bird food and hose could wait or be ordered online. Ridiculous amounts of people, really.

Glad to hear this. Let this thing run its course and disperse. Herd immunity ftw.

[Astray]

Here, just so you know.

За здоровье

[Tgo01]

The infections are rising at a steady rate. They shouldn't be. It isn't showing that plateauing effect that there should be. They've gone up around 3k cases in the last 3 days. 1000 new cases a day is pretty shitastic.

The cumulative cases doesn't plateau until the number of new daily cases reaches 0, otherwise it will always at least be steadily rising.

You can check out the logarithmic cases here towards the bottom of the page, it started to flatten out in Texas around April 10th. (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/texas/)

[Tgo01]

Elon Musk is tired of California's bullshit. Yesterday he said he was moving his factories out of California to Nevada and Texas and today he tweeted this:


Tesla is restarting production today against Alameda County rules. I will be on the line with everyone else. If anyone is arrested, I ask that it only be me.

[Wrathbringer]

750 new daily deaths yesterday, the lowest number in 42 days.

That means it's time to get ready for an all time high within the next few days. I'm sure NY can retroactively find some new drug overdoses or car accidents to add to the total.

Exactly. They had to muddy the mortality numbers in order to not look like complete tards for making this cold bug sound like the black death. They said 2.2 million would die from it in the US, then when the data started coming in, they changed to 60 thousand, which is less than the flu in recent years (and the flu even has a vaccine presumably keeping those numbers down, yet this virus can't outperform the flu even with no vaccine/immunity) and people were pissed at them for ruining the economy over it. Then, predictably, they changed the criteria for attributing a death to covid.

[Neveragain]

Elon Musk is tired of California's bullshit. Yesterday he said he was moving his factories out of California to Nevada and Texas and today he tweeted this:

After his statement CA "assemblywoman" Lorena Gonzalez replied to Musk: "fuck Elon Musk" "California has highly subsidized a company that has always disregarded worker safety & well-being, has engaged in union busting & bullies public servants. I probably could’ve expressed my frustration in a less aggressive way. Of course, no one would’ve cared if I tweeted that."

Musk replied back "Message received"

California is fucked.

[Tgo01]

Media for weeks: OMG!!!!! We need more testing!!!!! South Korea does more testing than us!!!! Do something, Trump!!!11!!!1!!1
The US now does more testing both total AND on a per capita basis than any other country in the world.
Trump: We are now testing more people than any other country in the world.
Media at today's press conference: OMG!!!!11!!! Why are you treating this like a competition when Americans are dying!!!11!!!1

Fake. Fucking. NEWS.

What's really the best part is an Asian reporter bitch asked this question of Trump and Trump said "Why don't you ask China" in regards to the question about Americans dying, his obvious point being the virus came from China and they lied about it and covered it up which allowed it to get a foothold in the US and allowed many Americans to die.

But since we live in the age of always being the victim she thought Trump specifically asked her that question because she's Asian, and not because of you know her dumb question, and he then explained to her that he didn't specifically ask anyone that question and would ask it to anyone who asked such a bullshit question, but that wasn't a good enough answer for her so she pulled her mask down and literally started screaming at the president to answer her question again as he tried to move on to another question.

Then another white bitch reporter from the king of cable Fake News, CNN, got up and also started screaming at Trump demanding he answer the Asian bitch's question, so Trump just ended the press conference.

[Solkern]

За здоровье

Спасибо большое, и для тебя тоже!

[Tgo01]

In other news, Fake News governor Cuomo today referred to it as the "European virus" and said the virus came from Europe.

The left really are a bunch of anti-American terrorists and you should honestly feel bad if you vote for them.

[Solkern]

Hawaii is a perfect example of the quarantine and lockdown working.

https://health.hawaii.gov/coronavirusdisease2019/

[Tgo01]

Hawaii is a perfect example of the quarantine and lockdown working.

https://health.hawaii.gov/coronavirusdisease2019/

A) It's an island
2) Still no proof lockdowns work.
#) Shaddap.

[Gelston]

The cumulative cases doesn't plateau until the number of new daily cases reaches 0, otherwise it will always at least be steadily rising.

You can check out the logarithmic cases here towards the bottom of the page, it started to flatten out in Texas around April 10th. (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/texas/)

The number of new daily cases has been trending up in Texas though. Other states have shown signs of slowing. And no, the plateau isn't at 0, it is when cases are slow so that upward arc curves down. It isn't a perfect plateau, just not a steady upswing like we see in Texas currently.

I personally look forward to Louisiana setting up checkpoints on the Texas-Louisiana border because Texas did it to us.

[Tgo01]

And no, the plateau isn't at 0, it is when cases are slow so that upward arc curves down.

That's on a logarithmic scale.

A logarithmic scale takes the previous figures into account, in this case it would be previous daily infections. Since viruses spread exponentially (1 person is infected then they infect 2 people, then they infect 4 people, then 8, then 16, then 32, 64, 128, etc) a logarithmic scale is used to show the rate of infection.

So if there were 100 cases on day 1 and it doubled to 200 the next day a logarithmic scale would show the increase being 100%, then if it doubled again to 400 the next day it would again show a 100% increase, if it then went from 400 to 450 it should show a much smaller increase and if the next day it were 470, then 490, 510, etc, that would mean the curve has flattened because the virus is no longer spreading exponentially.

On a linear scale the trend will always be upwards because even if the cases went from 400, to 450, 470, 490, 510, 515, 518, 519, the number will always be higher than the day before until the number of new infections reaches 0, and since charts such as this are generally scaled down so you can see the increase (so for example if Texas has 40k cases the scale would be from 0 to 40k with the y axis increasing every 5k, but NY with their 350k cases would instead show from 1-350k with maybe the y axis increasing every 50k) the upward trend will always be noticeable.

[Astray]

Спасибо большое, и для тебя тоже!

Das virginia, comrade.

[Risen]

And then, there is this:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-usa-aid/western-u-s-states-request-1-trillion-in-coronavirus-aid-california-governor-idUSKBN22N2ON

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

And then, there is this:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-usa-aid/western-u-s-states-request-1-trillion-in-coronavirus-aid-california-governor-idUSKBN22N2ON

Yeah... how about... no.

[Tgo01]

And then, there is this:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-usa-aid/western-u-s-states-request-1-trillion-in-coronavirus-aid-california-governor-idUSKBN22N2ON

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/tY19QgdQ1irrqUtMwPrq-XM2wzEiHlzX7uyFeq1cyMRNd5U1uH9CJ3_c1whlBm23GLmQvKL un-jGfQnkyaHgWmEDOi1bNdylexwfrgywA3SIWNwABlo-hUB3hZewUkWiGrpfZ2vlkZPBXrzznZQqs26HWJvBJJlNOG8

But on a serious note I have a feeling these Democrat governors know they are being ridiculous but are setting this up to be the next campaign battle for 2020.

Democrats, including Joe Biden, can run on "OMG! We need to save the poor people of California! They need a federal government bailout!" while they know Republicans are gonna do the right thing and be like "Bitch are you for real?"

[Tgo01]

Media for weeks: OMG!!!!! We need more testing!!!!! South Korea does more testing than us!!!! Do something, Trump!!!11!!!1!!1
The US now does more testing both total AND on a per capita basis than any other country in the world.
Trump: We are now testing more people than any other country in the world.
Media at today's press conference: OMG!!!!11!!! Why are you treating this like a competition when Americans are dying!!!11!!!1

Fake. Fucking. NEWS.

What's really the best part is an Asian reporter bitch asked this question of Trump and Trump said "Why don't you ask China" in regards to the question about Americans dying, his obvious point being the virus came from China and they lied about it and covered it up which allowed it to get a foothold in the US and allowed many Americans to die.

But since we live in the age of always being the victim she thought Trump specifically asked her that question because she's Asian, and not because of you know her dumb question, and he then explained to her that he didn't specifically ask anyone that question and would ask it to anyone who asked such a bullshit question, but that wasn't a good enough answer for her so she pulled her mask down and literally started screaming at the president to answer her question again as he tried to move on to another question.

Then another white bitch reporter from the king of cable Fake News, CNN, got up and also started screaming at Trump demanding he answer the Asian bitch's question, so Trump just ended the press conference.

How the fake news is framing this: "Trump angrily exits press conference after being challenged by female reporters"

Yes that's it, he was "challenged by female reporters." Has nothing to do with them accusing him of treating this like a competition after weeks of doing exactly that, nothing to do with them implying Trump of being racist because he asked an Asian reporter to ask that absurd question to China, had nothing to do with her screaming like a harpy when Trump tried to move on to the next question.

Nope. Simply because "female reporters challenged him."

I honestly loathe the fake news in our country. Like seriously loathe, and I don't loathe to many people or things.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pU9bm13cWJw

I also like the "angrily exits" bullshit, he thanked everyone and calmly walked away. Honestly considering how angry Trump usually gets at these bullshit questions this was probably one of his most calm moments when facing bullshit such as this.

[Solkern]

How the fake news is framing this: "Trump angrily exits press conference after being challenged by female reporters"

Yes that's it, he was "challenged by female reporters." Has nothing to do with them accusing him of treating this like a competition after weeks of doing exactly that, nothing to do with them implying Trump of being racist because he asked an Asian reporter to ask that absurd question to China, had nothing to do with her screaming like a harpy when Trump tried to move on to the next question.

Nope. Simply because "female reporters challenged him."

I honestly loathe the fake news in our country. Like seriously loathe, and I don't loathe to many people or things.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pU9bm13cWJw

I also like the "angrily exits" bullshit, he thanked everyone and calmly walked away. Honestly considering how angry Trump usually gets at these bullshit questions this was probably one of his most calm moments when facing bullshit such as this.


I literally just watched that. My question is. He responded there are cases going up all over the world, go and ask China ”

how does that “go ask China” have any link to the question she asked? Other than she’s chinese-American.
The question was directed at him, as he touts that America has tested more people than every other country(and he has done it multiple times) there is zero, absolutely zero reason to add go ask China, as her question had nothing to do with China. I don’t recall China ever bragging about how many people they’ve tested.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Prolly cause she went pee pee in his coke.

[Solkern]

Yes that's it, he was "challenged by female reporters." Has nothing to do with them accusing him of treating this like a competition after weeks of doing exactly that, nothing to do with them implying Trump of being racist because he asked an Asian reporter to ask that absurd question to China, had nothing to do with her screaming like a harpy when Trump tried to move on to the next question..

He does treat it like a competition.
Why else would Continuously brag that we’ve tested more people than any other country in the world?
That’s like saying, my daughter had more trophy’s than any other child in this city!
Yeah, he words it and treats it like it is a competition and he’s bragging about it

[Tgo01]

I literally just watched that. My question is. He responded there are cases going up all over the world, go and ask China ”

how does that “go ask China” have any link to the question she asked? Other than she’s chinese-American.
The question was directed at him, as he touts that America has tested more people than every other country(and he has done it multiple times) there is zero, absolutely zero reason to add go ask China, as her question had nothing to do with China. I don’t recall China ever bragging about how many people they’ve tested.

You're being dishonest, stop that.

Her question was "Why does that matter when Americans are still losing their lives and cases are still going up everyday."

His answer was "People are losing their lives all over the world, maybe that's a question you should ask China." Sure sounds like he's pointing out, as he often does, that this virus came from China so maybe she should ask China why people all over the world are losing their lives.

https://retrohelix.com/en/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/trump_by_znoflats_.jpg


He does treat it like a competition.

Please.

The media for months now: But...but South Korea has done more testing!! Do a better job!!
Trump: Okay we now do more testing than anyone else.
Media: So?

It's the exact same shit with ventilators.

Media for months: OMG! We need more ventilators or literally hundreds of thousands of people will die!!11!1
Trump: Every American who needed a ventilator got one and we have so many ventilators now we are giving them away to other countries.
Media: So?

[Seran]

He does treat it like a competition.
Why else would Continuously brag that we’ve tested more people than any other country in the world?
That’s like saying, my daughter had more trophy’s than any other child in this city!
Yeah, he words it and treats it like it is a competition and he’s bragging about it

Actually at today's press briefing he actually pointed out that doing all the testing we've been doing makes us look bad. Because in Trump's world, the truth is the enemy.

[Tgo01]

Nothing to see here, just a video of what appears to be prisoners purposefully trying to infect themselves with the Wuhan virus so they can get released.

Gee who would have thought telling a bunch of young, healthy prisoners that if they just catch a virus that has almost a 0% chance of killing them they would be released would lead to these young, healthy prisoners purposefully trying to catch the virus?

https://twitter.com/AndrewPollackFL/status/1260007561694048256?s=20

[ClydeR]

Scolds have been on a rampage over the past few days regarding Trump’s unwillingness to don the face covering that has come to define our current moment of Chinese virus. Some, like Nancy Pelosi argue that Trump is setting a bad example for Americans; others say he is fueling a politicization of masks that harms public health. What Trump is really doing is projecting American strength and health at a time when strong leadership is needed.

More... (https://thefederalist.com/2020/05/11/the-president-of-the-united-states-should-not-wear-a-mask/)



This issue is best addressed by a story from history. Picture it. The year was 541 A.D. Justinian was emperor. His slogan -- and you can verify this on Google -- was renovatio imperii, which translated means "Make Rome Great Again." Optimism flourished. But, unnoticed, a darkness was sneaking into the empire from China.

Rats from China somehow got on boats to Egypt and were from there transported the relatively short distance to Constantinople, now Istanbul, the center of Justinian's power. It was not actually the rats that were the problem. It was the fleas on the rats. Or more precisely, it was the bacteria on the fleas on the rats.

Plague! The first plague. And at the worst possible time. Justinian had nearly completed his goal of making Rome great again. Although Justinian insisted that all efforts continue, it was for nought. Bodies were stacking up quicker than the soldiers, reluctantly conscripted for the task, could dispose of them. The empire's enemies noticed and began pushing back against the advances Justinian had made. One fourth of the population died. The empire never recovered and began to crumble.

But there was more. Justinian failed to heed the warnings of his best physicians, who were worried that even the emperor's humors could be disrupted by the invisible plague. A few denizens of Justinian's palace began to show signs of infection. Then the emperor himself fell ill. Of those infected with the plague, 50% died and 50% recovered. Justinian was among the latter group. Although he recovered, his empire never did.

The moral of the story is obvious.

[ClydeR]

Nothing to see here, just a video of what appears to be prisoners purposefully trying to infect themselves with the Wuhan virus so they can get released.

I predicted pox parties in writing in this thread near the beginning. Imagine the freedom you would enjoy if you had a positive antibody test. It would be like being Superman, unless of course coronavirus is your kryptonite.

[Tgo01]

These reporters, I swear.

Reporter: How come everyone at the White House can get tested but not everyone going back to work can get tested?!
Trump: Everyone who needs a test will get a test.
Another reporter: But there aren't enough tests to test everyone who wants a test!!!
Admiral: Not everyone needs to be tested, if you have recently come into contact with someone who tested positive or you have symptoms then you should be tested and there is more than enough testing out there for those people.
Yet another reporter: But that's not everyone!!!!!!
Admiral: ...once again not everyone needs to be tested. Some studies show we need to do 3 million tests a week to be able to safely reopen and we currently have enough capacity to do that.
Yet ANOTHER reporter: So not everyone who wants a test will be tested?
Me: Fucking listen to the answers being given!

I swear the media is nothing but a bunch of Serans these days.

"But everyone needs to be tested on a daily basis before we can safely reopen!!"
Experts: No, really, that's just bullshit leftist fear monger. Shut the fuck up already.

[Neveragain]

I see ClydeR is still upset that nobody from these forums has died from the fake pandemic.

[Solkern]

I’m still confused on why people are going into full rage mode because companies are forcing their customers to wear masks.

[Tgo01]

I’m still confused on why people are going into full rage mode because companies are forcing their customers to wear masks.

My body, my choice.

[Solkern]

My body, my choice.

Funny, when it’s No shirt, no shoes, no service, not one fucking person complained and it wasn’t effecting your rights, neither should no mask, no service.

[Tgo01]

Funny, when it’s No shirt, no shoes, no service, not one fucking person complained and it wasn’t effecting your rights, neither should no mask, no service.

Personally I think masks are a good idea, but I have seen some legitimate concerns for why people don't want to wear them, although to be fair I'm sure most people who don't want to wear them don't have a legitimate concern.

I have a friend who is a die hard liberal and think the shutdowns are the best thing since sliced bread, but he has a hard time breathing with a mask on, even fairly thin ones. Now I know what you're saying "Well that's a good excuse for him then, I see no harm in him not wearing a mask", except now everyone is actively stigmatizing ANYONE who doesn't wear a mask and are literally accusing them of being murderers so now my friend has a choice to make: not wear a mask and breath just fine but be accused of being a murderer, wear a mask and struggle for air. It's like those people who scream at someone who parks in a handicap spot but they aren't in a wheelchair so they just automatically assume they aren't disabled and don't need to park there, except this is like a gajillion times worse.

Some people feel claustrophobic in a mask.

Some women (even liberal ones!) have made the argument that forcing women to wear a mask is too similar to Muslim nations that demand women to cover their faces.

Do I wear a mask? Yes.

Do I think wearing a mask is a good idea? Yes.

Would I wear a mask even if it wasn't required? For the time being yes.

Do I think leftwing nutjobs should be stigmatizing everyone who doesn't wear a mask? Fuck no.

[Seran]

My body, my choice.

It's amazing how that argument falls apart for conservatives when people want abortions or the right to compassionate care when you're terminal and suffering.

[Tgo01]

It's amazing how that argument falls apart for conservatives when people want abortions or the right to compassionate care when you're terminal and suffering.

Seran got the point I was making! Cookie for him!

But it's funny because the following two arguments are from the same group of people, and they ain't conservatives:

Abortion: My body, my choice!
Masks: Wear a mask! It isn't about YOU, there is another life at stake!

[Seran]

Evidently being pro-choice to the Conservatives only applies to personal protective equipment and circumcision of infants.

[Solkern]

I have a friend who is a die hard liberal and think the shutdowns are the best thing since sliced bread, but he has a hard time breathing with a mask on, even fairly thin ones. Now I know what you're saying "Well that's a good excuse for him then, I see no harm in him not wearing a mask", except now everyone is actively stigmatizing ANYONE who doesn't wear a mask and are literally accusing them of being murderers so now my friend has a choice to make: not wear a mask and breath just fine but be accused of being a murderer, wear a mask and struggle for air. It's like those people who scream at someone who parks in a handicap spot but they aren't in a wheelchair so they just automatically assume they aren't disabled and don't need to park there, except this is like a gajillion times worse..

I don’t wear a mask, and I’ve yet to have one person say anything to me. Although I do carry one with me, if a business requires me to wear it.
A mask causes me to touch my face more, and it makes it difficult for me to breathe, I guess smoking doesn’t help this either lol

[Parkbandit]

It's amazing how that argument falls apart for conservatives when people want abortions or the right to compassionate care when you're terminal and suffering.

https://i.chzbgr.com/full/7802356224/h7706A1E8/when-someone-doesnt-get-your-joke-just-send-them-this

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Again talking about testing. So fucking ignorant. Recall I spent a week in the hospital, well I wasn't tested them, even when I presented with a fever. They had tests, but because I clearly had something else, there wasn't a need for it. The hospital I was in was also a COVID-19 free hospital - no patients with COVID allowed.

Now I'm going for followup with a GI doctor for a colonoscopy. Guess what... he's requiring a COVID-19 test before the exam. I'm presenting zero symptoms, but he's doing it to "be safe". Tests are available to anyone who needs or is required to get one people. That narrative is fucking dead.

[Tgo01]

Again talking about testing. So fucking ignorant. Recall I spent a week in the hospital, well I wasn't tested them, even when I presented with a fever. They had tests, but because I clearly had something else, there wasn't a need for it. The hospital I was in was also a COVID-19 free hospital - no patients with COVID allowed.

Now I'm going for followup with a GI doctor for a colonoscopy. Guess what... he's requiring a COVID-19 test before the exam. I'm presenting zero symptoms, but he's doing it to "be safe". Tests are available to anyone who needs or is required to get one people. That narrative is fucking dead.

Democrats have moved on to the narrative that for some reason literally each and every single American needs a test and apparently each and every single day. They are insane. They are literally throwing around figures like 30+ million tests need to be done A DAY before we can reopen the economy. I guess they got tired of pushing realistic goals only for Trump to crush those goals in record time so now they are going for literally impossible goals.

[Fortybox]

I’m still confused on why people are going into full rage mode because companies are forcing their customers to wear masks.

Because it's a fake pandemic. Sorry you're confused :(

[Parkbandit]

Democrats have moved on to the narrative that for some reason literally each and every single American needs a test and apparently each and every single day. They are insane. They are literally throwing around figures like 30+ million tests need to be done A DAY before we can reopen the economy. I guess they got tired of pushing realistic goals only for Trump to crush those goals in record time so now they are going for literally impossible goals.

Well the respirators didn't work.
Then the testing didn't work.

They need something else to "report" on how badly the Trump administration is doing something.

[Gelston]

I don't wear a mask because I don't have COVID-19. Key tips to not getting it is to maintain a distance, not touch your face, and to wash your hands. I wash my hands every time I come in from the outside world.

If a store required me to wear a mask, I'd just go to another store. If all stores required me to wear a mask, guess I'd bite the bullet and wear one because I still need things. Honestly, they also make you wear shirts and shoes, and I rarely see people bitching about that.

[Parkbandit]

I don't wear a mask because I don't have COVID-19. Key tips to not getting it is to maintain a distance, not touch your face, and to wash your hands. I wash my hands every time I come in from the outside world.

If a store required me to wear a mask, I'd just go to another store. If all stores required me to wear a mask, guess I'd bite the bullet and wear one because I still need things. Honestly, they also make you wear shirts and shoes, and I rarely see people bitching about that.

Where does one get these magical masks when there are none available for purchase anywhere?

[Gelston]

Where does one get these magical masks when there are none available for purchase anywhere?

There isn't a shortage around here. Hasn't been for over a month.

[Gelston]

I mean, even amazon has 50 packs of them at $1 each.

https://www.amazon.com/SUNCOO-Disposable-Particle-3-Layer-Earloops/dp/B0868YY9MW/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1IV1PELULHDF5&dchild=1&keywords=n95+masks+for+sale&qid=1589292995&sprefix=N95+mask%2Caps%2C167&sr=8-1

There is no mask shortage.

[Stolis]

I don't wear a mask because I don't have COVID-19. Key tips to not getting it is to maintain a distance, not touch your face, and to wash your hands. I wash my hands every time I come in from the outside world.

If a store required me to wear a mask, I'd just go to another store. If all stores required me to wear a mask, guess I'd bite the bullet and wear one because I still need things. Honestly, they also make you wear shirts and shoes, and I rarely see people bitching about that.

Company asks me to wear a mask or so, I just say eh, whatever. I keep one in my car. If it shuts someone up and I can still get the shit I need, fine. I also haven't had people say a thing about me not wearing one just the same.

[Solkern]

Because it's a fake pandemic. Sorry you're confused :(

We all get confused sometimes!

[Solkern]

I don't wear a mask because I don't have COVID-19. Key tips to not getting it is to maintain a distance, not touch your face, and to wash your hands. I wash my hands every time I come in from the outside world.

If a store required me to wear a mask, I'd just go to another store. If all stores required me to wear a mask, guess I'd bite the bullet and wear one because I still need things. Honestly, they also make you wear shirts and shoes, and I rarely see people bitching about that.


Same for me, the mask makes me touch my face even more because it’s so uncomfortable. But if a store requires me to wear a mask, I won’t go ape shit about it. Their store, their rules.

[Parkbandit]

Same for me, the mask makes me touch my face even more because it’s so uncomfortable. But if a store requires me to wear a mask, I won’t go ape shit about it. Their store, their rules.

Who's going apeshit though?

I just simply choose to go elsewhere.

[Solkern]

Who's going apeshit though?

I just simply choose to go elsewhere.

Like that security guard that was shot over the mask dispute.

People threatening store employees over wearing a face mask.

Shit like that.

[Methais]

Preventative measures such as quarantine and social distancing is about reducing the number of communicable infections and thus reducing the number of COVID-19 deaths.

What happened to it was about flattening the curve?

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

What happened to it was about flattening the curve?

The curve is related. The whole point of the curve is if it exceeds the hospitals capacity, people are more likely to die.

[Parkbandit]

Like that security guard that was shot over the mask dispute.

People threatening store employees over wearing a face mask.

Shit like that.

I can cherry pick retarded people for anything you want.

But the general public isn't going apeshit over wearing a mask.

[Solkern]

I can cherry pick retarded people for anything you want.

But the general public isn't going apeshit over wearing a mask.

The entire state of Oklahoma removed its mask requirement because shop employees were being threatened, I highly doubt this is due to isolated cases here and there, it would have to be wide spread for this to be overturned.

[Methais]

I knew you were Dreaven.

Except he's not, and you're a giant retard.

[Methais]

750 new daily deaths yesterday, the lowest number in 42 days.

That means it's time to get ready for an all time high within the next few days. I'm sure NY can retroactively find some new drug overdoses or car accidents to add to the total.

I wonder how long before abortions are ruled as COVID deaths.

"It's possible that if the mother were tested for she could test positive for COVID, so we've concluded that this aborted fetus died of Coronavirus."

[Methais]

I literally just watched that. My question is. He responded there are cases going up all over the world, go and ask China ”

how does that “go ask China” have any link to the question she asked? Other than she’s chinese-American.
The question was directed at him, as he touts that America has tested more people than every other country(and he has done it multiple times) there is zero, absolutely zero reason to add go ask China, as her question had nothing to do with China. I don’t recall China ever bragging about how many people they’ve tested.

Perhaps because China is where the virus came from and caused this entire catastrophe?

[Wrathbringer]

I’m still confused...

Just make this your sig.

[Methais]

He does treat it like a competition.
Why else would Continuously brag that we’ve tested more people than any other country in the world?

Maybe I'm remembering some things wrong, but wasn't the media at first dry humping Trump's leg every day over there not being enough testing and talking about how all these other countries are doing so much more testing because Orange Man Bad, etc.?

[Solkern]

Maybe I'm remembering some things wrong, but wasn't the media atfirst dry humping Trump's leg every day over there not being enough testing and talking about how all these other countries are doing so much more testing because Orange Man Bad, etc.?

You could be right, but I’m not sure, wasn’t really following US media until I’ve been back.

[Methais]

Actually at today's press briefing he actually pointed out that doing all the testing we've been doing makes us look bad. Because in Trump's world, the truth is the enemy.

Now go ahead and post the full statement he made about that instead of just cherry picking like a stick of twatbutter.

[Methais]

The curve is related. The whole point of the curve is if it exceeds the hospitals capacity, people are more likely to die.

Pretty sure we can safely say that's not an issue anymore, which it probably never was anyway.

[Seran]

What happened to it was about flattening the curve?

That's literally what that process is..

[Tgo01]

The entire state of Oklahoma removed its mask requirement because shop employees were being threatened, I highly doubt this is due to isolated cases here and there, it would have to be wide spread for this to be overturned.

That’s government mandated mask rules for which they wanted business employees to enforce said rules.

Doesn’t excuse people’s behavior, but people typically don’t do well with government rules such as this. “No shirt, no shoes, no service” that you mentioned earlier is a store policy.

[Tgo01]

I wonder how long before abortions are ruled as COVID deaths.

"It's possible that if the mother were tested for she could test positive for COVID, so we've concluded that this aborted fetus died of Coronavirus."

Honestly at this rate it wouldn’t surprise me. I read an article where Dr Birx says she believes the numbers the CDC is reporting is 25% higher than the real number.

[Tgo01]

The Democrat governor of PA is trying to out-Hitler the governor of MI and I must say he's doing a pretty good job. Just more proof that men are better than women at everything.

The PA governor says he will withhold state and federal funding from counties who reopen their economies before the dictator says they can reopen their economies.

He's also threatening to revoke business licenses from any business who reopens their business so they can feed their starving family.

This drummed up fear is like a wet dream to Democrats, they can finally live out their dictatorial dreams and be cheered on by the likes of people like Seran and Keller as they do it.

[Seran]

The Democrat governor of PA is trying to out-Hitler the governor of MI and I must say he's doing a pretty good job. Just more proof that men are better than women at everything.

The PA governor says he will withhold state and federal funding from counties who reopen their economies before the dictator says they can reopen their economies.

He's also threatening to revoke business licenses from any business who reopens their business so they can feed their starving family.

This drummed up fear is like a wet dream to Democrats, they can finally live out their dictatorial dreams and be cheered on by the likes of people like Seran and Keller as they do it.

So how is this different than the President threatening to withhold highway funding for California unless it agrees to repeal it's mileage standards. Answer is, it's not. Except you're too stupid to realize your own double standard

[Methais]

That's literally what that process is..

Looks like it’s flattened. What now?

Oh yeah, this:
https://46.media.tumblr.com/df2620f269c5d41820621cf3235da5ec/tumblr_pk272yGR3C1xxwex3o6_r4_400.gif

[Methais]

So how is this different than the President threatening to withhold highway funding for California unless it agrees to repeal it's mileage standards. Answer is, it's not. Except you're too stupid to realize your own double standard

Jesus Christ you’re retarded.

[Tgo01]

So how is this different than the President threatening to withhold highway funding for California unless it agrees to repeal it's mileage standards. Answer is, it's not. Except you're too stupid to realize your own double standard

Gee, what's the difference between telling California "You're not better than the rest of the country, fall in line with federal guidelines or lose funding specifically for highway funding" and telling businesses they can't reopen to feed their families and telling local governments they can't reopen their economies to save their local economies and to save their local budgets, and oh yeah, withholding FEDERAL funding from these communities.

Gosh, yeah, that's a tough one.

[Tgo01]

These reporters are such slimy pieces of shit.

Reporter to press secretary: Yesterday Trump said he directed everyone at the White House to wear masks, but I can't help but notice you're not wearing a mask. Was that comment just for the cameras?
Press secretary: No it's because I'm far enough away from you all that a mask isn't necessary and if I wore a mask my words would be muffled and it might be hard for people to hear what I am saying.

What is really funny is the reporter who asked this question had on such a thick mask that he was making her point for her because you could hardly hear a word he was saying through that thing.

Will journalism ever be good in America again?

[Tgo01]

The dictators in charge of LA county are saying the shutdowns there will go on for at least another 3 fucking months.

Democrats have lost their minds.

Once again I must ask the morons such as Seran: just how important is abortion to you? You keep putting up with this shit from Democrats simply because they support abortion on demand. Don't deny it, we all know it's true. So what will it finally take for you to say "You know what? Abortion isn't that important to me"?

Is it going to be when you're locked up in jail "for your own safety" over the virus?

Is it going to be when you're living on the street because your job was finally deemed "non-essential" for months and you had no way to make money?

Is it going to be when your local and state economy completely collapses and you're forced to wait in bread lines for meager scraps of food?

Give me a hint here.

[Seran]

Gee, what's the difference between telling California "You're not better than the rest of the country, fall in line with federal guidelines or lose funding specifically for highway funding" and telling businesses they can't reopen to feed their families and telling local governments they can't reopen their economies to save their local economies and to save their local budgets, and oh yeah, withholding FEDERAL funding from these communities.

Gosh, yeah, that's a tough one.

People have no trouble feeding themselves between unemployment, food assistance and government aid. The fact California is one of the few states that is only allowing businesses to reopen under strict guidelines proves it cares more about it's citizens than the grotesque wealth of the few

[Tgo01]

People have no trouble feeding themselves between unemployment, food assistance and government aid.

You know there is a backlog of unemployment claims and some people are still waiting for unemployment right?

You also know not everyone qualifies for unemployment right?

I mean you would know these things if you read some real news and weren't permanently glued to your TV with CNN on.

Also "food assistance and government aid"? Fuck you.

No, just fuck you.

"People should be HAPPY their business is closing and their job is probably gone forever, they now qualify for food assistance and government aid!"

Again, FUCK. YOU.

[Methais]

You know there is a backlog of unemployment claims and some people are still waiting for unemployment right?

You also know not everyone qualifies for unemployment right?

I mean you would know these things if you read some real news and weren't permanently glued to your TV with CNN on.

Also "food assistance and government aid"? Fuck you.

No, just fuck you.

"People should be HAPPY their business is closing and their job is probably gone forever, they now qualify for food assistance and government aid!"

Again, FUCK. YOU.

This is correct.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

the grotesque wealth of the few

Did you see the news CA is asking for a Trillion dollars?

Do the math on that per capita. Then do it per legal citizen. Then do it per taxpayer.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I'll save you the time. 40 Million people by 1 trillion dollars is 25K dollars a person.

[Seran]

You know there is a backlog of unemployment claims and some people are still waiting for unemployment right?

You also know not everyone qualifies for unemployment right?

I mean you would know these things if you read some real news and weren't permanently glued to your TV with CNN on.

Also "food assistance and government aid"? Fuck you.

No, just fuck you.

"People should be HAPPY their business is closing and their job is probably gone forever, they now qualify for food assistance and government aid!"

Again, FUCK. YOU.

Most anyone who isn't undocumented or whom didn't voluntarily leave their job is qualified for unemployment. Those laid off or fired are eligible for California unemployment and the federal benefits, while gig workers are eligible for federal only. Either way they're not suffering. A lot of self employed business owners are eligible for the federal only benefit, or the Payroll Protection Program or SBA loans, either way, still not starving to death.

Your singular bias to prove that suffering is the sole result of democratic decisions, rather than the result of the coronavirus proves only you're an ignorant partisan

[Seran]

That even a large number of Republicans are openly questioning the White House's pedantic reopening mantra following Dr Fauci and other pandemic related official's shows just how far from even your own party that you, Rush and Hannity have strayed from sanity and your own party.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Most anyone who isn't undocumented or whom didn't voluntarily leave their job is qualified for unemployment. Those laid off or fired are eligible for California unemployment and the federal benefits, while gig workers are eligible for federal only. Either way they're not suffering. A lot of self employed business owners are eligible for the federal only benefit, or the Payroll Protection Program or SBA loans, either way, still not starving to death.

How uniformed you are is fucking colossal. Getting government cheese today doesn't mean a business won't fail right now. Tell the small business owners going tits up left and right all over America they are not starving to death, as the lose likely everything they've worked for, ever.

[Methais]

Most anyone who isn't undocumented or whom didn't voluntarily leave their job is qualified for unemployment. Those laid off or fired are eligible for California unemployment and the federal benefits, while gig workers are eligible for federal only. Either way they're not suffering. A lot of self employed business owners are eligible for the federal only benefit, or the Payroll Protection Program or SBA loans, either way, still not starving to death.

Your singular bias to prove that suffering is the sole result of democratic decisions, rather than the result of the coronavirus proves only you're an ignorant partisan

I’m 99% sure that not even Backlash is this stupid.

[Tgo01]

Most anyone who isn't undocumented or whom didn't voluntarily leave their job is qualified for unemployment.

Do you know what "most" means?


Either way they're not suffering.

How the fuck do you know whether those 30+ million unemployed are suffering or not? Who the fuck do you think you are?

You think business owners watching their business crumble aren't suffering?

You think people still waiting for their unemployment claim to go through aren't suffering?

You think even the people currently receiving unemployment insurance aren't suffering, worrying that once the unemployment dries up they will have to again look for a job and compete with over 30 million fucking people who are all desperate for jobs? You know what the best way is to ensure DECLINING job wages? Having a glut of workers who are all desperate to take any job that comes their way.

Back may be a lot of things, but I don't think he's ever shown so much disdain for people suffering. time4fun actively pushed for rich states to pay more in taxes to help out even red states because she said you help poor people no matter their political party. You truly are in a league of your own, Seran, and that's not a good thing.

[Tgo01]

Went to the store today and they had a note by the eggs saying that due to the shit going on the price of eggs has been increased. So I checked the price of eggs today compared to what they used to be before everything went to shit and the price of eggs today are almost triple what they were before things went to shit.

It used to be a huge deal if inflation was a meager 4%, we are now in hyper inflation territory with some basic goods.

But no one is suffering! Surely that grandma who barely survived on her social security can afford an increase of 300% for her basic goods. We got lives to save by keeping everyone home and watching as the price of food skyrockets!

[Tgo01]

A lot of self employed business owners are eligible for the federal only benefit, or the Payroll Protection Program or SBA loans, either way, still not starving to death.

The PPP is ONLY for keeping EMPLOYEES on the payroll, it does jack shit for business OWNERS. Again you would know this shit if you actually wanted to be informed instead of being fed bullshit all day via CNN or MSNBC.

Small business owners are eligible for a whole 600 dollars a week from federal unemployment? Gosh, that must be enough money to both keep their business afloat (they still have to pay silly things like rent, insurance, and electricity for their business in case you're so stupid you didn't know that) AND feed their families. There is no way someone could be hurting while receiving a whopping 600 dollars a week from the federal government! No way someone could have more expenses than that unless they are the ultra wealthy!!

Fuck you.

Some people have car payments that are 400+ dollars a month and they took out that loan because business was good and they didn't see any reason the good times would stop, then the government came along and said "Nope, shut that business down for 2, 3, well who knows how many months? But don't worry! We'll give you 600 dollars a week, and right off the bat your car payment plus insurance will eat up one of those 600 dollar payments a month, surely you can live off the rest and keep your business going!"

I don't know how many times I can say this but I don't think it will ever be enough but I'll try anyways: Fuck you.

[Seran]

Do you know what "most" means?



How the fuck do you know whether those 30+ million unemployed are suffering or not? Who the fuck do you think you are?

You think business owners watching their business crumble aren't suffering?

You think people still waiting for their unemployment claim to go through aren't suffering?

You think even the people currently receiving unemployment insurance aren't suffering, worrying that once the unemployment dries up they will have to again look for a job and compete with over 30 million fucking people who are all desperate for jobs? You know what the best way is to ensure DECLINING job wages? Having a glut of workers who are all desperate to take any job that comes their way.

Back may be a lot of things, but I don't think he's ever shown so much disdain for people suffering. time4fun actively pushed for rich states to pay more in taxes to help out even red states because she said you help poor people no matter their political party. You truly are in a league of your own, Seran, and that's not a good thing.

Of course they're worried. California has not only shown leadership but been highly transparent with their reopening plans. More than two-thirds of American's think keeping things shut down and a controlled reopening is the right way forward. How do they know that? Same reason why I know that there are hundreds of safety net programs in California to prevent people from going hungry during this time of crisis. It's called reaching an informed opinion.

You, you sit here with your Manchurian candidate and your ultra right wing alarmists and scream conspiracy, fascism, death without a lick of evidence or any information supporting your theory. That is how I know you're doing nothing but trying to scare people into agreeing with your ignorance. By terrifying the few who will listen to you, to beat them into submission with your terrifying lies, until they're ready to accept the single positive part of your so called plan to /force/ a reopening by defiance.

So while you may think that your dozens upon dozens of misinformed posts between you and your alts accounts agreeing with one another is success. It's not.

That some of us are willing to contradict your hate, your lies and fear mongering is nothing more than pity, compassion for your lost cause.

[Tgo01]

More than two-thirds of American's think keeping things shut down and a controlled reopening is the right way forward.

Also known as the people who are still collecting a paycheck or have a large savings to burn through.

Again fuck you.

California has "shown leadership" by just saying "LOOOOOL! Keep it all shut down and let the federal government bail out our citizens, businesses, cities, and state! LOOOOL!"

Oh yes, so easy to be a "leader" when you're expecting someone else to fix the mess you are causing.

Again fuck you.

[beldannon5]

i don't know anyone but you that wants things shut down longer and you say 2/3? can i have some of what you are smoking? also i answered bonus instead of disaster pay on my unemployment so it has been temporarily suspended for 4 weeks now. Have called 100's of times everytime it says queue is full and hangs up. Also emailing them did nothing. Thankfully I am not penniless like some but it sucks

[Neveragain]

You, you sit here with your Manchurian candidate and your ultra right wing alarmists and scream conspiracy

Seran has got to be the dumbest person to have ever posted on these forums.

[Tgo01]

i don't know anyone but you that wants things shut down longer and you say 2/3? can i have some of what you are smoking? also i answered bonus instead of disaster pay on my unemployment so it has been temporarily suspended for 4 weeks now. Have called 100's of times everytime it says queue is full and hangs up. Also emailing them did nothing. Thankfully I am not penniless like some but it sucks

Impossible! Seran ensures me that he knows for a fact that all 30+ million people who have been unemployed are receiving unemployment, food assistance, AND other government aid. CNN told him so it must be true!


Seran has got to be the dumbest person to have ever posted on these forums.

Is it any wonder everyone thought he was Androidpk when he started posting again? We have some far left nutjobs here on the PC but Seran easily is the nuttiest of them all, and we have time4fun Ms. "There are some big titted men in the Congo who breastfeed babies."

[Solkern]

Also known as the people who are still collecting a paycheck or have a large savings to burn through.

Again fuck you.

California has "shown leadership" by just saying "LOOOOOL! Keep it all shut down and let the federal government bail out our citizens, businesses, cities, and state! LOOOOL!"

Oh yes, so easy to be a "leader" when you're expecting someone else to fix the mess you are causing.

Again fuck you.


It’s funny, that you complain that California wants federal funds to help them because they are run by stupid democrats
Yet 9 of top 10 states that get the most aid from the federal government are Republican states, why aren’t you jumping on them for getting so much help from the federal government year in and year out?

https://wallethub.com/edu/states-most-least-dependent-on-the-federal-government/2700/

Actually if you look at the top 20, I think 17 or 18 of them are Republicans states.


I guess those dem run states, are doing a pretty damn good job, since well, they don’t get help from the federal government like the republicans do.

[Tgo01]

It’s funny, that you complain that California wants a federal funds to help them because they are run by stupid democrats
Yet 9 of top 10 states that get the most aid from the federal government are Republican states, why aren’t you jumping on them for getting so much help from the federal government year in and year out?

Those "studies" are always dumb because they consider red state/blue state based on how the state went in the latest presidential election.

Michigan went from being a "blue" state in these 2008/2012 studies to a "red" state in 2016, even though Republicans have had a majority in the state government during this entire time and just recently got a Democrat governor.

Minnesota is considered a "blue" state even though Republicans currently control the state Senate.

States such as LA and Kentucky are always considered red states even though they regularly vote in Democrats for governor.

Not to mention a 1 trillion dollar bailout of California, Washington state, and Oregon would make all of these silly red state/blue state nonsense pale in comparison.

[Seran]

i don't know anyone but you that wants things shut down longer and you say 2/3? can i have some of what you are smoking? also i answered bonus instead of disaster pay on my unemployment so it has been temporarily suspended for 4 weeks now. Have called 100's of times everytime it says queue is full and hangs up. Also emailing them did nothing. Thankfully I am not penniless like some but it sucks

Congratulations, you fucked up on your form and now need to wait several weeks with the other two million who did the same thing. The fact you only have to /wait/ while there are states paying less than $120 week or whom don't have a comprehensive unemployment insurance plans means you need to sit down and read the instructions before bitching.

[Seran]

It’s funny, that you complain that California wants federal funds to help them because they are run by stupid democrats
Yet 9 of top 10 states that get the most aid from the federal government are Republican states, why aren’t you jumping on them for getting so much help from the federal government year in and year out?

https://wallethub.com/edu/states-most-least-dependent-on-the-federal-government/2700/

Actually if you look at the top 20, I think 17 or 18 of them are Republicans states.


I guess those dem run states, are doing a pretty damn good job, since well, they don’t get help from the federal government like the republicans do.

Logic only applies to individuals who are capable of comprehension. Dreaven is so locked into tinfoil hat mode that it cannot consider facts.

[Tgo01]

Congratulations, you fucked up on your form and now need to wait several weeks with the other two million who did the same thing. The fact you only have to /wait/ while there are states paying less than $120 week or whom don't have a comprehensive unemployment insurance plans means you need to sit down and read the instructions before bitching.

Look at this piece of shit right here.

"People aren't suffering! They are receiving plenty of government aid!"

Two posts later: "2 million people aren't receiving unemployment because there is some sort of 'gotcha' question on the application form! Also some states have such shitty unemployment that people only receive 120 dollars a week!"

Fuck you.

[Tgo01]

More than two-thirds of American's think keeping things shut down and a controlled reopening is the right way forward.

Holy shit, is this the poll you are referring to? (https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/07/politics/pew-research-poll-coronavirus-restrictions-states/index.html)

Because you know there is a huge difference between "Keep everything shut down forevers!!11!11" and "I'm worried my state might open up too quickly", right? Oh who am I kidding? Of course you don't know the difference, you are by far the dumbest person on the PC.

[Tgo01]

Pelosi's new Wuhan virus relief package is once again filled with Democrat special interest giveaways.

One interesting part is that illegal aliens employed in "essential businesses" can't be deported as long as the pandemic is ongoing.

Can you imagine this? 30+ million Americans have lost their jobs with some experts estimating half of those jobs are gone forever, and the Democrats want to allow businesses to continue to employ cheap and illegal labor as long as the crisis is ongoing? Just gives Democrats all the more reason to never reopen shit, protecting their illegal alien pets and allowing illegal aliens to legally compete with American citizens for jobs. Of course if this thing ever becomes law (God forbid), you just know it will continue to be stuffed into some other law and continue to be renewed, effectively legalizing illegal immigration.

[Fortybox]

How uniformed you are is fucking colossal. Getting government cheese today doesn't mean a business won't fail right now. Tell the small business owners going tits up left and right all over America they are not starving to death, as the lose likely everything they've worked for, ever.

That’s kind of like over dramatic. If you’re running a business where it’s so bad that after a month or two you have to go out of business then you’re not a very good business owner.

[Fortybox]

Seran has got to be the dumbest person to have ever posted on these forums.

Sorry, COVID-Time4fun has that slot

[Tgo01]

That’s kind of like over dramatic. If you’re running a business where it’s so bad that after a month or two you have to go out of business then you’re not a very good business owner.

Virginia floated the idea of keeping parts of their economy closed for 12-18 months.

Los Angeles said at least 3 more months, pushing the lockdown in LA into the 6+ month territory.

States like Michigan still have no plans outlined for when "non-essential" businesses can open back up.

I think a month or two is fine, which is the lie we were all sold on because a month or two didn't sound so bad, but now some cities and states are talking about anywhere from 6-18 more months of this shit. I think only fortune 500 companies could hope to survive 6+ months of this.

Eventually those unemployed workers are going to have to start finding an "essential" job to pay the bills so even when "non-essential" businesses are allowed to reopen they won't even have any employees to open back up with.

[Stolis]

That’s kind of like over dramatic. If you’re running a business where it’s so bad that after a month or two you have to go out of business then you’re not a very good business owner.

Or you're just getting hammered in rent prices, which were doable when you had a high performing business. Just depends on the situation I guess?

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

That’s kind of like over dramatic. If you’re running a business where it’s so bad that after a month or two you have to go out of business then you’re not a very good business owner.

Or you started your business in Q4 of 2019, or early 2020. Or do we only want to save very successful businesses, and not those that are successful, but just can't survive several months of low to no income at all? I mean, if that's the case, why do a bailout at all, just let everyone go on unemployment get their government cheese! No one will be starving AMIRITE? And I'm 100% sure come whatever the opening day is, business will be running behind what it used to be. So those semi successful businesses will even have a longer period of not being profitable.

Do you think hair salons have months of savings to cover expenses with no income? How about bars? Hotels have a HUGE monthly cost even if they have no guests. The film industry has been devastated and unless you are top shelf actor or producer, you likely haven't worked in months. Amusement parks lost 60% of their employees. The margin on most the things I've listed are razor thin. If you want, I can list a few very large, very successful businesses that have announced they won't be reopening at all/going bankrupt.

[Archigeek]

That’s kind of like over dramatic. If you’re running a business where it’s so bad that after a month or two you have to go out of business then you’re not a very good business owner.

This is a very uninformed opinion. I've owned my own businesses on more than one occasion, and at times being a good business person means closing your business. In fact, most businesses in the US are relatively short lived for various reasons. Closing a business does not make you a bad business owner.

[~Rocktar~]

Antibody Testing: Proves We've Been Had!

There is simply no other way to state this.

Nearly everything we’ve been told about models, rates of infection, deaths, and recoveries was inaccurate.

I’m not here to argue that it was malfeasance or ignorance — both are unacceptable. But the one thing that Governor Andrew Cuomo’s stunning announcement made clear on Thursday is that there are some pretty shocking — and what should be — reassuring truths.

Cuomo announced that antibody testing in New York state, which only began four days previous, was already demonstrating that at minimum 13.9% of New Yorkers, had COVID-19 late stage antibodies.

The implication of this is a shockwave to the system.

With a population of 19,540,500 the findings point out that over 2,500,000 New Yorkers had the virus and have recovered. Keep in mind that as of this writing that only 263,000 New Yorkers have currently confirmed cases. Also as of this writing New York has reported 19,543 fatalities.

We’ve been told that the true death rate is 7.4% in New York. We were told there would be hundreds of thousands dead. We were told that this was worse than the flu, which has still recorded more deaths to date in this past flu season—even though the CDC instructed medical personnel to start counting influenza, heart disease, pulmonary, respiratory, drug overdose, and possibly even car crash deaths as COVID-19 deaths.

We were told that we had to upend an economy, go into solitary confinement, and divorce ourselves from normal life because this would rage beyond any previous pandemic. We were told that this virus with 846,000 current confirmed cases was worse than the H1N1 that broke out on Obama’s watch that infected 60,000,000 people. (We were conveniently not told that Obama had authorized $3.7 million U.S. tax dollars to be used at the Wuhan Institute of Virology to utilize corona viruses in bats in 2015 — but that’s yet another deception of omission.)

But none of these “truths” turned out to be so.

The death rate in New York State isn’t 7.4%, it is actually .75%. The recently ended influenza season numbers from the CDC indicate possibly 56,000,000 cases of flu, 740,000 hospitalizations, and 62,000 deaths. Under the current count from the Johns Hopkins Dashboard in this five month stretch CoVid19 has racked up 845,959 confirmed cases, 122,000 hospitalizations and 46,972 deaths.

A couple of other observations are extremely relevant. To begin with the flu — which has no vaccine but rather a randomized version of a shot designed to help develop antibodies to fight the version of the flu that “smart people” *think* will be the primary version that particular year — has remedies that physicians prescribe in primary care on an as needed basis. So we’re not accustomed to thinking that the flu is this deadly killer that all of life must be shut down to prevent. CoVid19 had no known treatments at the beginning of the breakout, and for political reasons—and possibly financially incentivized ones to boot—the most effective treatment for CoVid19 became a political football. Even the supposed “negative” trials that were reported on this past weekend, had cherry picked subjects that were mostly late stage victims of the virus. As Dr. Vladimir Zelenko pointed out on my show this week, doing so created the negative outcomes “purposefully & by design.” When used under a physician’s care, in the primary care basis, and early on after testing or onset of symptoms, the hydroxycholoroquine, azithromycin, & zinc cocktail reduced the rates of deaths and long term infectious stages. Zelenko’s numbers to date: 1,450 patients treated, two deaths, four ventilator cases (all fully recovered,) and all others recovered. Zelenko and other physicians using the treatment are releasing the world’s largest Meta-study to date within the next few days that will examine more than 2,000 confirmed cases.


https://townhall.com/columnists/kevinmccullough/2020/04/23/antibody-testing-proves-weve-been-had-n2567516

[Candor]

https://townhall.com/columnists/kevinmccullough/2020/04/23/antibody-testing-proves-weve-been-had-n2567516

I think there needs to be much more than four days of antibody testing before any conclusions can be drawn.

[Parkbandit]

Most anyone who isn't undocumented or whom didn't voluntarily leave their job is qualified for unemployment. Those laid off or fired are eligible for California unemployment and the federal benefits, while gig workers are eligible for federal only. Either way they're not suffering. A lot of self employed business owners are eligible for the federal only benefit, or the Payroll Protection Program or SBA loans, either way, still not starving to death.

Your singular bias to prove that suffering is the sole result of democratic decisions, rather than the result of the coronavirus proves only you're an ignorant partisan

This is 100% incorrect.

I can't speak about other states, but I do know that Florida is well behind the number of people who applied for unemployment vs. the number who actually have received it. As of April 20th, 1.5 million people applied and 40K received.

https://www.tampabay.com/florida-politics/2020/04/20/florida-releases-unemployment-numbers-15-million-claims-filed-just-40193-paid/

[Risen]

I think there needs to be much more than four days of antibody testing before any conclusions can be drawn.

He has had them. This is from April 23rd.

[Fortybox]

Or you started your business in Q4 of 2019, or early 2020. Or do we only want to save very successful businesses, and not those that are successful, but just can't survive several months of low to no income at all? I mean, if that's the case, why do a bailout at all, just let everyone go on unemployment get their government cheese! No one will be starving AMIRITE? And I'm 100% sure come whatever the opening day is, business will be running behind what it used to be. So those semi successful businesses will even have a longer period of not being profitable.

Do you think hair salons have months of savings to cover expenses with no income? How about bars? Hotels have a HUGE monthly cost even if they have no guests. The film industry has been devastated and unless you are top shelf actor or producer, you likely haven't worked in months. Amusement parks lost 60% of their employees. The margin on most the things I've listed are razor thin. If you want, I can list a few very large, very successful businesses that have announced they won't be reopening at all/going bankrupt.

They aren't successful if they go out of business in a month or two :)

We should let businesses fail. Let the strong survive.

[Fortybox]

This is a very uninformed opinion. I've owned my own businesses on more than one occasion, and at times being a good business person means closing your business. In fact, most businesses in the US are relatively short lived for various reasons. Closing a business does not make you a bad business owner.

Um, no. You're broadening the scope here. If you have to close because of a bad month or two from this fake pandemic then you deserve to go out of business.

[Wrathbringer]

Of course they're worried. California has not only shown leadership but been highly transparent with their reopening plans. More than two-thirds of American's think keeping things shut down and a controlled reopening is the right way forward. How do they know that? Same reason why I know that there are hundreds of safety net programs in California to prevent people from going hungry during this time of crisis. It's called reaching an informed opinion.

You, you sit here with your Manchurian candidate and your ultra right wing alarmists and scream conspiracy, fascism, death without a lick of evidence or any information supporting your theory. That is how I know you're doing nothing but trying to scare people into agreeing with your ignorance. By terrifying the few who will listen to you, to beat them into submission with your terrifying lies, until they're ready to accept the single positive part of your so called plan to /force/ a reopening by defiance.

So while you may think that your dozens upon dozens of misinformed posts between you and your alts accounts agreeing with one another is success. It's not.

That some of us are willing to contradict your hate, your lies and fear mongering is nothing more than pity, compassion for your lost cause.

You're retarded.

[Wrathbringer]

I think there needs to be much more than four days of antibody testing before any conclusions can be drawn.

Only a fucking dumbass like yourself would question that the mortality rate is going to continue to drop like a rock as more people are confirmed to have had this cold.

[Parkbandit]

Seran has got to be the dumbest person to have ever posted on these forums.

He's the current champion.

[Wrathbringer]

Um, no. You're broadening the scope here. If you have to close because of a bad month or two from this fake pandemic then you deserve to go out of business.

They deserve to go out of business because government closed their businesses? That's pretty stupid to say. Small businesses employ the most people. It isn't a bad month or two. It's a complete unconstitutional government mandated shutdown. ZERO INCOME but still having to pay your bills. I thought you were smarter than this.

[Wrathbringer]

He's the current champion.

I was wondering. He/she/it has earned it.

[Fortybox]

They deserve to go out of business because government closed their businesses? That's pretty stupid to say. Small businesses employ the most people. It isn't a bad month or two. It's a complete unconstitutional government mandated shutdown. ZERO INCOME but still having to pay your bills. I thought you were smarter than this.

Not what I am saying. I don't care who shuts down your business...if you can't sustain a couple of months then you probably shouldn't have been open anyways.

[Fortybox]

He's the current champion.

Um, COVID-Time4fun ... come on now, nobody can be more stupid than she is.

[Parkbandit]

That’s kind of like over dramatic. If you’re running a business where it’s so bad that after a month or two you have to go out of business then you’re not a very good business owner.

It's not a "bad month" though.. it's your business is shut down for at least 2 months now.. and there are some states that want to keep you shut down for another 3 months.

There isn't a business around that can plan for a full 5 month of zero income.

[Seran]

You're retarded.

Such a well crafted rebuttal. You should be a Breitbart columnist.

[Fortybox]

It's not a "bad month" though.. it's your business is shut down for at least 2 months now.. and there are some states that want to keep you shut down for another 3 months.

There isn't a business around that can plan for a full 5 month of zero income.

I don't think any business should have to rely on the government. Those PPP loans are cancer and will come back to bite owners in the bootay. Strong businesses have no need for that crap.

Just like the individual who has to go bankrupt because they didn't save for a rainy day, so too should poorly run/weak businesses fall. Not a popular opinion but is what I believe.

[Seran]

https://townhall.com/columnists/kevinmccullough/2020/04/23/antibody-testing-proves-weve-been-had-n2567516

What a disgusting perversion of statistics. It is both inaccurate and grossly disingenuous to imply that test results of a fraction of a fraction of a population proves the number of cases is millions of individuals higher. What's more, the authors attempts to again front a clinically proven treatment as being ineffective and deadly for the coronavirus is almost criminal.

We've already seen the start of investigators into the push behind using our nation's veterans as lab rats for hydroxychloroquine by the President and Kushner. I can't wait to see the resignations and charges brought as a result of their patronage.

[Parkbandit]

Um, COVID-Time4fun ... come on now, nobody can be more stupid than she is.

She lost the title to Backlash who has basically abandoned the title.. Seran has picked up his game lately and was awarded it.

[Parkbandit]

I don't think any business should have to rely on the government. Those PPP loans are cancer and will come back to bite owners in the bootay. Strong businesses have no need for that crap.

Just like the individual who has to go bankrupt because they didn't save for a rainy day, so too should poorly run/weak businesses fall. Not a popular opinion but is what I believe.

The only information I got from your post is that you have never owned or run a business.

You're wrong. 100% wrong.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

What a disgusting perversion of statistics. It is both inaccurate and grossly disingenuous to imply that test results of a fraction of a fraction of a population proves the number of cases is millions of individuals higher.

Dude, I'm positive you don't know this based upon your quote above, but using small populations to predict impact is exactly what statistics is.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

The only information I got from your post is that you have never owned or run a business.

Yeah, that part is very clear.

[Parkbandit]

What a disgusting perversion of statistics. It is both inaccurate and grossly disingenuous to imply that test results of a fraction of a fraction of a population proves the number of cases is millions of individuals higher.


Statistics definition: the practice or science of collecting and analyzing numerical data in large quantities, especially for the purpose of inferring proportions in a whole from those in a representative sample.




If you weren't so fucking retarded.. I would have sworn your post was just a troll.

[Gelston]

The only information I got from your post is that you have never owned or run a business.

You're wrong. 100% wrong.

I wonder what Back's insight is on this. He owned, and then managed, and then became a busboy... WTF is his job?

[Parkbandit]

I wonder what Back's insight is on this. He owned, and then managed, and then became a busboy... WTF is his job?

He also claimed he "leased" it.. so I have no idea.

[Archigeek]

I don't think any business should have to rely on the government. Those PPP loans are cancer and will come back to bite owners in the bootay. Strong businesses have no need for that crap.

Just like the individual who has to go bankrupt because they didn't save for a rainy day, so too should poorly run/weak businesses fall. Not a popular opinion but is what I believe.

A shit ton of businesses are going to fail. Some of you think it's because of the shut down, but the reality is that you're going to see the real rash of failures once the shut down ends. 2 months or more of shut down, followed by month after month of weak business is going to kill a ton of businesses without any support. Business will be weak because a significant portion of customers aren't going to go out and participate by buying goods, because of fear of Covid-19, and also because they will have less income to spend. Restaurants, bars, and other social venues are going to start falling like dominos once states reopen and they see that they still aren't getting shit for business.

There has to be a middle ground somewhere, where businesses get support, without it being so open and ripe for abuse that people who don't need it exploit it.

Also, if we just print money and hand it out indescriminately, we could really be fucked.

[beldannon5]

I am heading to Texas Roadhouse today, first day they are open for guests! Yes it's a chain but I don't care i want my steak.

[Archigeek]

I am heading to Texas Roadhouse today, first day they are open for guests! Yes it's a chain but I don't care i want my steak.

I'll have a T-bone medium rare, with a side of bacteria please. No no, not the usual Salmonella; only your finest Corona virus!

[Fortybox]

The only information I got from your post is that you have never owned or run a business.

You're wrong. 100% wrong.

No you! And yes, I do own a business.

[Fortybox]

A shit ton of businesses are going to fail. Some of you think it's because of the shut down, but the reality is that you're going to see the real rash of failures once the shut down ends. 2 months or more of shut down, followed by month after month of weak business is going to kill a ton of businesses without any support. Business will be weak because a significant portion of customers aren't going to go out and participate by buying goods, because of fear of Covid-19, and also because they will have less income to spend. Restaurants, bars, and other social venues are going to start falling like dominos once states reopen and they see that they still aren't getting shit for business.

There has to be a middle ground somewhere, where businesses get support, without it being so open and ripe for abuse that people who don't need it exploit it.

Also, if we just print money and hand it out indescriminately, we could really be fucked.

Government is the reason why we are in this mess and government isn't going to be solution to get out this mess. Throwing money at this isn't going to work. We are already set up for massive inflation once it makes its way through (probably 2022ish).

Long-term we are screwed over anyways. This fake pandemic is nothing compared to around 2030 when all this comes to a head.

[Solkern]

I'll have a T-bone medium rare, with a side of bacteria please. No no, not the usual Salmonella; only your finest Corona virus!

Don’t forget to flush down that steak with this:
https://i.imgur.com/8rnwNuc.jpg

[Archigeek]

Government is the reason why we are in this mess and government isn't going to be solution to get out this mess. Throwing money at this isn't going to work. We are already set up for massive inflation once it makes its way through (probably 2022ish).

Long-term we are screwed over anyways. This fake pandemic is nothing compared to around 2030 when all this comes to a head.

I do think the tossing around of trillions of dollars like it's nothing is more dangerous than most people realize, but it's a genuine pandemic by any definition of the word.

[Archigeek]

Don’t forget to flush down that steak with this:
https://i.imgur.com/8rnwNuc.jpg

:burp:

[Tgo01]

I'll have a T-bone medium rare, with a side of bacteria please. No no, not the usual Salmonella; only your finest Corona virus!

Calm down, Chicken Little.

[Jeril]

I do think the tossing around of trillions of dollars like it's nothing is more dangerous than most people realize, but it's a genuine pandemic by any definition of the word.

The definition seems rather board in a way and doesn't actually indicate the level of danger some people are giving it by a long shot though. Will you continue to hype it up once it has been solidly proven less than 1% of people are dying from this?

[Fortybox]

The definition seems rather board in a way and doesn't actually indicate the level of danger some people are giving it by a long shot though. Will you continue to hype it up once it has been solidly proven less than 1% of people are dying from this?

It’s way below 1% ... wayyyyyy below.

[Seran]

Dude, I'm positive you don't know this based upon your quote above, but using small populations to predict impact is exactly what statistics is.

Which would be accurate, except this chodes assumptions don't take in social distancing, currently infected, past infected any several other factors. It's simply wrong by any number of reasons

[Tgo01]

Which would be accurate, except this chodes assumptions don't take in social distancing, currently infected, past infected any several other factors. It's simply wrong by any number of reasons

Normal people: Shutdowns don't work, show us the proof they work.
Idiots like Seran: Yes they work! They work cause I say they work!!!1!1!11!

Normal people: Antibody tests show that a significant portion of the population already had the Wuhan virus.
Idiots like Seran: No they don't! That's not how it works! You need to test more! You need to do this, that, that, this, and that before we can draw conclusions!

Oh yeah, I almost forgot: Fuck you.

[Parkbandit]

No you! And yes, I do own a business.

https://media2.giphy.com/media/6JB4v4xPTAQFi/giphy.gif

[Parkbandit]

I'll have a T-bone medium rare, with a side of bacteria please. No no, not the usual Salmonella; only your finest Corona virus!

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/39/ba/89/39ba89ff50500fe12569bc99e529e4a1.gif

Calm down little fella.

[Tgo01]

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/39/ba/89/39ba89ff50500fe12569bc99e529e4a1.gif

Calm down little fella.

It's shit like Archigeek's post that just proves this is all political to them, has nothing to do with saving lives.

Lockdowns have been going on for 2 months now, everyone who had the virus at the beginning of the lockdowns have either recovered or died, meaning literally each and every single infection 2 weeks after the shutdowns began have been from essential workers or people going to essential businesses, showing the shutdowns aren't working.

Now that people are waking up to the lies they have been sold about the shutdowns and want to reopen their business and visit businesses people like Seran and Archigeek are either trying to shame or scare people into NOT visiting businesses their Democrat overlords have arbitrarily deemed "non-essential."

[ClydeR]

The White House has pressed the CDC, in particular, to work with states to change how they count coronavirus deaths and report them back to the federal government, according to two officials with knowledge of those conversations. And Deborah Birx, the coordinator of the administration’s coronavirus task force, has urged CDC officials to exclude from coronavirus death count reporting some of those individuals who either do not have confirmed lab results and are presumed positive or who have the virus and may not have died as a direct result of it, according to three senior administration officials.

More... (https://www.thedailybeast.com/team-trump-pushes-cdc-to-dial-down-covid-death-counts?ref=home)


None of those people should count against Trump unless an autopsy confirms that they are actually dead.

[Tgo01]

None of those people should count against Trump unless an autopsy confirms that they are actually dead.

What a crazy idea: don't count someone as dying from Wuhan virus unless the person actually died from Wuhan virus. Crazy times we live in.

[~Rocktar~]

Political stupidity or political murder?



States ordered nursing homes to take COVID-19 residents. Thousands died. How it happened


Coronavirus has spread like wildfire through many nursing homes across the Northeast, and state officials are scrambling to better protect those most vulnerable. Yet the death toll has been devastating.

On March 29, as Pennsylvania, New York and other states began ordering nursing homes to admit medically stable residents infected with the coronavirus, national trade groups warned it could unnecessarily cost more lives.

The health directives put “frail and older adults who reside in nursing homes at risk” and would “result in more people going to the hospital and more deaths,” the American Health Care Association and affiliates said at the time.

A month later, it appears government officials should have heeded the dire call to pursue different pandemic emergency plans.

The deadly virus has spread like wildfire through many nursing homes across the Northeast, and state officials are scrambling to better protect those most vulnerable to COVID-19, the disease caused by the virus.

The death toll is devastating, according to interviews with nursing-home officials, patients’ families, health-care advocates, government officials and from an examination of state records by the USA Today Network Atlantic Group, a consortium of 37 Gannett-owned daily newspapers across the Northeast.

At least 3,043 people have died inside New York nursing homes due to COVID-19 complications, or about 17% of the state’s 18,015 deaths as of Wednesday.

In Pennsylvania, about 65% of coronavirus deaths were nursing-home residents, and in counties in the hardest hit southeastern part of the state, long-term care residents account for as much as 80% of county deaths.

New Jersey had 3,200 residents of long-term care homes die due to complications from the virus, about 40% of the statewide total.

About 58% of the deaths in Delaware lived in nursing homes, and 46% of the fatalities in Maryland were at nursing homes, prompting Gov. Larry Hogan to order residents and staff members at nursing homes be tested for coronavirus.

Meanwhile, advocates and residents’ relatives have criticized state and federal officials, as well as some nursing homes, for failing to address the crisis as deaths mounted.

“To have a mandate that nursing homes accept COVID-19 patients has put many people in grave danger,” said Richard Mollot, executive director of the Long Term Care Community Coalition in New York.

“We know facilities have a lot of infection-control problems, we know that facilities have low staff, so what do you think was going to happen when the staff were further strained in caring for these patients?”



https://www.buckscountycouriertimes.com/news/20200501/states-ordered-nursing-homes-to-take-covid-19-residents-thousands-died-how-it-happened

[Archigeek]

It's shit like Archigeek's post that just proves this is all political to them, has nothing to do with saving lives.

Lockdowns have been going on for 2 months now, everyone who had the virus at the beginning of the lockdowns have either recovered or died, meaning literally each and every single infection 2 weeks after the shutdowns began have been from essential workers or people going to essential businesses, showing the shutdowns aren't working.

Now that people are waking up to the lies they have been sold about the shutdowns and want to reopen their business and visit businesses people like Seran and Archigeek are either trying to shame or scare people into NOT visiting businesses their Democrat overlords have arbitrarily deemed "non-essential."

My joke about a T-bone with a side of Corona virus is proof to you that this is political to me? You're going to see what you want to see obviously. Meanwhile the infection rate will go up or down, and then I guess we'll see what party the virus is in favor of.

Lighten up Francis.

[Tgo01]

Oh hey, Seran, maybe you should read this, you slimy piece of shit. (https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/05/13/gretchen-whitmer-targets-77-year-old-barbers-livelihood-strips-operating-license-without-a-hearing/)

77 year old barber in Michigan was DENIED unemployment so he had no choice but to reopen his shop to make some money.

"But everyone is being taken care of with unemployment, food assistance, and other governmental aid!111!!!"

The Hitler wannabe then sent 4 of her police goons to his store to tell him to shut down, 4 fucking police officers to confront a 77 year old man.

This shit was taken to court and governor Hitler lost.

Now this bitch stripped him of his operating license.

Fuck you.

[Tgo01]

My joke about a T-bone with a side of Corona virus is proof to you that this is political to me? You're going to see what you want to see obviously. Meanwhile the infection rate will go up or down, and then I guess we'll see what party the virus is in favor of.

Lighten up Francis.

Right, """""joke."""""

[Solkern]

My joke about a T-bone with a side of Corona virus is proof to you that this is political to me? You're going to see what you want to see obviously. Meanwhile the infection rate will go up or down, and then I guess we'll see what party the virus is in favor of.

Lighten up Francis.

I thought it was funny.

[Tgo01]

Media: Listen to the experts!!! OMG!!!! Listen to the experts!
Also media: We are holding a Wuhan virus town hall with experts including doctors, epidemiologists, and a 17 year old high school dropout whose only claim to fame is refusing to go to school until the Western world caves in to her climate change demands.

https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1260555428100026368?s=20

No wonder Seran is so fucking stupid, this is where he gets all of his news from.

[Alfster]

I always thought the point of shutting down was simply to slow the spread to a level that hospitals could manage, along with getting the necessary supplies....essentially buying time. At some point that merged into eradicating it completely. Where I am, contact testing is a thing and the hospitals are laying people off. We're ready to open and handle the fallout in my opinion.

[Neveragain]

Another 3 million jobs lost last week.

[Seran]

I always thought the point of shutting down was simply to slow the spread to a level that hospitals could manage, along with getting the necessary supplies....essentially buying time. At some point that merged into eradicating it completely. Where I am, contact testing is a thing and the hospitals are laying people off. We're ready to open and handle the fallout in my opinion.

I'd agree that we're ready for a controlled reopening, with an emphasis on social distancing and usage of PPE. If those facets are observed then states can avoid sudden dramatic flare ups like in GA and TX where people have mistaken reopening for an all-clear sign.

Where this becomes difficult is the fringe element pushing the viral conspiracy theory and trying to convince people that social distancing and PPE are constitutional violations. They're not, and yet the President of the United States is constantly tweeting the musings of fanatics, which gives the wackadoos implied legitimacy.

[Methais]

Um, COVID-Time4fun ... come on now, nobody can be more stupid than she is.

She hasn't been around to defend her title, so she eventually lost it to Backlash, then he stopped posting to defend it, so the new champ is Seran.

[Seran]

What's truly ironic about Trump trying to convince states to downplay viral fatalities and to reduce their death counts is the fact a massive nationwide testing initiative would likely drastically increase the number of those infected, but recovered. If we can scientifically and methodically prove COVID-19 isn't as lethal as the current numbers support, than a greater reopening push with quarantine and contact tracing can be successful.

Only with the Whitehouse's war on science, the President thinks that proving a higher virility an infection count makes him look week. Pride over Safety is not a good presidential quality.

[Gelston]

She hasn't been around to defend her title, so she eventually lost it to Backlash, then he stopped posting to defend it, so the new champ is Seran.

She lost the title simply by being smart enough to stop posting in politics.

[Methais]

Government is the reason why we are in this mess and government isn't going to be solution to get out this mess. Throwing money at this isn't going to work. We are already set up for massive inflation once it makes its way through (probably 2022ish).

Long-term we are screwed over anyways. This fake pandemic is nothing compared to around 2030 when all this comes to a head.

Since we apparently owe shitloads of money to China already for some reason that I never gave a shit about enough to really understand, whatever amount of money the US government spends during all this, we should just tell China to subtract that from our debt and to shove it up their ass.

I'm assuming there are a number of reasons that wouldn't make this possible, but I don't know how any of that shit works.

[Risen]

It would probably have to go through the World Bank and the United Nations. It would be broadly popular for any country who owes debt to China, which is a lot of the developing world. I would imagine both China and Russia would protest or even veto if possible any such plan.

[Seran]

My joke about a T-bone with a side of Corona virus is proof to you that this is political to me? You're going to see what you want to see obviously. Meanwhile the infection rate will go up or down, and then I guess we'll see what party the virus is in favor of.

Lighten up Francis.

You're being called out because someone's butthurt about their political situation, laughing and moving on is the best answer, just as you did.

[Solkern]

What a crazy idea: don't count someone as dying from Wuhan virus unless the person actually died from Wuhan virus. Crazy times we live in.


So tell me, how do we understand what exactly is the cause of death? If coronavirus causes pneumonia, and he dies from pneumonia which do you label it as? If he has other health conditions, and he dies from that, but it was due to the coronavirus amplifying the other health conditions, what do you label it as?


You kind of have to label it as coronavirus, as medical experts do the same with influenza as well since people don’t mainly die from the flu, but the complications that arise from it, i.e. pneumonia. Especially since many would like to compare flu to coronavirus deaths etc.

https://www.health.com/condition/cold-flu-sinus/how-do-you-die-from-flu

[Ashlander]

So tell me, how do we understand what exactly is the cause of death? If coronavirus causes pneumonia, and he dies from pneumonia which do you label it as? If he has other health conditions, and he dies from that, but it was due to the coronavirus amplifying the other health conditions, what do you label it as?


You kind of have to label it as coronavirus, as medical experts do the same with influenza as well since people don’t mainly die from the flu, but the complications that arise from it, i.e. pneumonia. Especially since many would like to compare flu to coronavirus deaths etc.

https://www.health.com/condition/cold-flu-sinus/how-do-you-die-from-flu

Would you count someone who OD's as a corona virus death because that's what it's being counted as right now if you have the virus.

[Methais]

Would you count someone who OD's as a corona virus death because that's what it's being counted as right now if you have the virus.

https://meme.xyz/uploads/posts/t/l-60704-a-florida-man-has-died-from-coronavirus-after-being-eaten-by-alligator.jpg

[Gelston]

Would you count someone who OD's as a corona virus death because that's what it's being counted as right now if you have the virus.

Someone I know claims their friend committed suicide and he was marked as a COVID-19 death, logic being that the quarantine caused them to be depressed. They also know an older woman who died, and had to answer 3 times that she never had COVID-19 symptoms. They still initially marked her as a COVID-19 death but got it changed.

I don't know the truth to either of these stories, just what they said.

[Solkern]

Would you count someone who OD's as a corona virus death because that's what it's being counted as right now if you have the virus.

I’m not sure how exactly they are labeling it. That’s up to the doctors and medical staff.

But if someone was a huge drug addict, got the flu, and flu made their existing conditions life threatening, and they died, I’m pretty sure they’d label it as death of flu complications.

So if we don’t add these deaths by complications brought on by the flu or the coronavirus, we could say the death total from the flu should be dramatically decreased along with coronavirus deaths.

So if they label deaths from complications of the flu as flu deaths, why can’t they do the same with coronavirus? But yeah, some of the deaths they are labeling are fucking retarded as fuck.

I mean, let’s imagine you are in Florida and you got shot, during the 1 minute you are bleeding out and dying but before you die from the shot, and alligator bites you and kills you first, what would you label as the cause of death?
(It’s Florida, I’m sure this happens on a weekly basis)

That’s the problem with labeling causes of deaths, there are so many complications involved in it, it’s just a big giant shit show.

[Tgo01]

I always thought the point of shutting down was simply to slow the spread to a level that hospitals could manage, along with getting the necessary supplies....essentially buying time. At some point that merged into eradicating it completely.

Yup, that's what I've been saying for weeks now. We "flattened the curve" over 4 weeks ago but at some point Democrats realized they could use the continued shutdowns to their political advantage because they realized how easy it was to become a dictator. Take over the media, get the media to hype up the message that they are going to die unless they listen to everything the government says, and the people fall in line. This is like exactly what Hitler did, but now it's racist and sexist to point out that Democrats are LITERALLY acting like Hitler when for years we have heard people accuse Trump of acting like Hitler for no good reason.

[Tgo01]

Since we apparently owe shitloads of money to China already for some reason that I never gave a shit about enough to really understand, whatever amount of money the US government spends during all this, we should just tell China to subtract that from our debt and to shove it up their ass.

I'm assuming there are a number of reasons that wouldn't make this possible, but I don't know how any of that shit works.

It could really fuck us more in the long run than it would fuck China.

The reason people buy so much US debt is because the US has never defaulted and has never even come close, plus the US has proven itself to be a really good and stable economy so people know they are getting paid. If we suddenly start purposefully not paying people that could cause people to stop wanting to buy our debt which would mean we would have to pay a lot more to borrow money, right now we pay among the lowest interest rates in the world.

Investors might see this as a justifiable, one time excuse to not pay, or they could see it as a bad trend, the latter of which would fuck us over big time.

[Seran]

I’m not sure how exactly they are labeling it. That’s up to the doctors and medical staff.

But if someone was a huge drug addict, got the flu, and flu made their existing conditions life threatening, and they died, I’m pretty sure they’d label it as death of flu complications.

So if we don’t add these deaths by complications brought on by the flu or the coronavirus, we could say the death total from the flu should be dramatically decreased along with coronavirus deaths.

So if they label deaths from complications of the flu as flu deaths, why can’t they do the same with coronavirus? But yeah, some of the deaths they are labeling are fucking retarded as fuck.

I mean, let’s imagine you are in Florida and you got shot, during the 1 minute you are bleeding out and dying but before you die from the shot, and alligator bites you and kills you first, what would you label as the cause of death?
(It’s Florida, I’m sure this happens on a weekly basis)

That’s the problem with labeling causes of deaths, there are so many complications involved in it, it’s just a big giant shit show.

If you've seen birth certificates you know there are multiple causes of death listed. Primary cause of death, contributing causes of death and their onset. Just as you pointed out, someone dying of sudden respritory distress, secondary to a COVID-19 infection, would have the suffocation as the immediate cause of death and the cornavirus listed as contributing with an onset of days or weeks. Additionally, most states require if verification of diagnostics are pending, this is also an important distinction for true mortality rates.

Now what the CDC has given direction on is listing COVID-19 as a cause of death when it's suspected by medical professionals. Why? Our countries severely limited testing capabilities doesn't allow for weeks awaiting confirmation of diagnosis for a cadaver when we're facing nationwide decisions which are made everyday, usually on the basis of information. (Though maybe not as much during the latest briefings...)

Is there a coronavirus? Yes
Is it highly infectious? Yes
Has it caused death? Yes
Is their a shortfall of protective equipment which requires infection/mortality information to help direct resources? Yes

Nothing else matters for viral response, which is what history and the people will judge our local, state and federal leaders on accordingly.

[Tgo01]

So tell me, how do we understand what exactly is the cause of death? If coronavirus causes pneumonia, and he dies from pneumonia which do you label it as? If he has other health conditions, and he dies from that, but it was due to the coronavirus amplifying the other health conditions, what do you label it as?


You kind of have to label it as coronavirus, as medical experts do the same with influenza as well since people don’t mainly die from the flu, but the complications that arise from it, i.e. pneumonia. Especially since many would like to compare flu to coronavirus deaths etc.

Blah blah blah. One thing I can tell you for certain: we should NOT be counting drug overdoses as Wuhan virus deaths and we should NOT be counting people we just assume died of the Wuhan virus as "confirmed" deaths from the Wuhan virus.

[Tgo01]

I’m not sure how exactly they are labeling it. That’s up to the doctors and medical staff.

And that's the point, it shouldn't be "up to the doctors and medical staff", it should be a universal standard in the US. The problem is we have never needed a universal standard because I can't think of a single time someone looked at an obvious drug overdose and said "Shit, says here they had HIV, better mark this down as an HIV death." Because that's just fucking absurd.

[Seran]

And that's the point, it shouldn't be "up to the doctors and medical staff", it should be a universal standard in the US. The problem is we have never needed a universal standard because I can't think of a single time someone looked at an obvious drug overdose and said "Shit, says here they had HIV, better mark this down as an HIV death." Because that's just fucking absurd.

Here's where the war on science comes to a very dangerous head. It shouldn't be up to doctors and medical staff? Who the hell would make medical decisions if not the doctors and medical staff? Would you prefer we convene a medical diagnosis board consisting of religious leaders, militia captains and the President? Because that's all you and your ilk seem to trust. You might as well lead a Holy Inquisition.

[Tgo01]

Here's where the war on science comes to a very dangerous head. It shouldn't be up to doctors and medical staff?

Talk about fucking irony.

So you think one doctor, we'll call him "Liberal Agenda Doctor", should have the right to determine one drug overdose as "Wuhan virus death", and another doctor, we'll call him "Normal Doctor", should be able to look at a similar case and say "Obvious drug overdose"? You think this is how "science" should work?

But look who I'm talking with, the man who loves nothing more than being lied to as long as it fits his disgusting, perverse political agenda. "Doctors don't know for sure if those thousands of people died from Wuhan virus? They just 'suspect' they did? I'm all for those counting as 'confirmed' deaths! SCIENCE!"

[Seran]

Talk about fucking irony.

So you think one doctor, we'll call him "Liberal Agenda Doctor", should have the right to determine one drug overdose as "Wuhan virus death", and another doctor, we'll call him "Normal Doctor", should be able to look at a similar case and say "Obvious drug overdose"? You think this is how "science" should work?

But look who I'm talking with, the man who loves nothing more than being lied to as long as it fits his disgusting, perverse political agenda. "Doctors don't know for sure if those thousands of people died from Wuhan virus? They just 'suspect' they did? I'm all for those counting as 'confirmed' deaths! SCIENCE!"

There's nothing particularly ironic about calling out your ridiculous and often contradictory claims. What's obvious is how little research you do in posting arguments or posting copies of arguments made by your favorite conservative pundits. There is no single madman doctor accomplishing what you're alleging. The fact that tens of thousands of doctors are using the same guidelines proves not only you weren't aware that your argument was already made, but that you're obviously just in agreement with the results. Please go take your meds

[Parkbandit]

Here's where the war on science comes to a very dangerous head. It shouldn't be up to doctors and medical staff? Who the hell would make medical decisions if not the doctors and medical staff? Would you prefer we convene a medical diagnosis board consisting of religious leaders, militia captains and the President? Because that's all you and your ilk seem to trust. You might as well lead a Holy Inquisition.

ZOMG WAR ON SCIENCE!

You really are the champ. Never, ever leave us.

Ever.

Because normal people will not believe there are people THIS FUCKING STUPID in the real world.

[Solkern]

And that's the point, it shouldn't be "up to the doctors and medical staff", it should be a universal standard in the US. The problem is we have never needed a universal standard because I can't think of a single time someone looked at an obvious drug overdose and said "Shit, says here they had HIV, better mark this down as an HIV death." Because that's just fucking absurd.


And tell me, who is going to make this “universal standard”? Oh let me guess... doctors and medical experts? The ones you just said shouldn’t be doing it? Who else is going to do it? The politicians?
So you want the doctors to set a standard, yet, when doctors do set standards now... granted they aren’t always on the same page, but they are relatively similar, that you don’t agree with, it’s bullshit?

And if they come up with a universal standard... you don’t agree with.. will that standard also become bullshit?

[Tgo01]

And tell me, who is going to make this “universal standard”? Oh let me guess... doctors and medical experts?
So you want the doctors to set a standard, yet, when doctors do set standards now, that you don’t agree with, it’s bullshit?

I think Trump should personally set the standard, that's the answer you're looking for from me I'm sure.

Yes, get a bunch of doctors and medical experts together and say "No, you don't count drug overdoses as Wuhan virus deaths because we're not some fucking banana Republic here."

This same group of doctors and medical experts can also say "You don't count it as a 'confirmed' Wuhan virus death if they were never tested, had no symptoms, but died after recently being exposed to someone who who did have the virus."

Why is this even up for debate at this point? This shit is absolutely absurd and bordering on criminal with the way some hospitals/cities/states are handling this shit.

[Solkern]

I think Trump should personally set the standard, that's the answer you're looking for from me I'm sure.

Yes, get a bunch of doctors and medical experts together and say "No, you don't count drug overdoses as Wuhan virus deaths because we're not some fucking banana Republic here."

This same group of doctors and medical experts can also say "You don't count it as a 'confirmed' Wuhan virus death if they were never tested, had no symptoms, but died after recently being exposed to someone who who did have the virus."

Why is this even up for debate at this point? This shit is absolutely absurd and bordering on criminal with the way some hospitals/cities/states are handling this shit.


First, I’m not an anti-Trumper, if you are trying to imply that. And No, I would like a serious response from you.


Tell me, who or what group of people, in your opinion, Has the knowledge, experience, expertise and education to set this universal standard?


You just said doctors and medical experts should not, so who is better and more qualified than them?

[Tgo01]

First, I’m not an anti-Trumper, if you are trying to imply that. And No, I would like a serious response from you.


Tell me, who or what group of people, in your opinion, Has the knowledge, experience, expertise and education to set this universal standard?

I don't know, surely in this vast country of ours of 320 million people there must be some group of experts out there who can do this.

I was all for leaving it up to the doctors and hospitals like we always have because I figured even Democrats couldn't be slimy enough to start counting drug overdoses and "suspected" victims of the Wuhan virus as "confirmed" deaths from the Wuhan virus, but Democrats managed to surprise me yet again.

[Solkern]

I don't know, surely in this vast country of ours of 320 million there must be some group of experts out there who can do this.

I was all for leaving it up to the doctors and hospitals like we always have because I figured even Democrats couldn't be slimy enough to start counting drug overdoses and "suspected" victims of the Wuhan virus as "confirmed" deaths from the Wuhan virus, but Democrats managed to surprise me yet again.


While I agree with you, our standards aren’t always aligned from city to city, or doctor to doctor. There should be a group of medical experts that are elected to set this standard. Sadly, we don’t have one, and it’s the presidents job as leader of our country to put a team together. Since he hasn’t. We are left with the mess we are in. And it’s no ones fault except our governments.
(Notice I didn’t say Trump, because it is not just his fault.)

[Seran]

So all that ranting and raving that Dreaven did about death boards on the topic of the American Care Act, suddenly a board of experts is going to set standards for doctors. Talking about irony. The CDC already set guidelines, only the president has ignored them.

[Solkern]

I’m also pretty sure that group of experts were the pandemic response team, that Trump disbanded, but I cannot say for sure.

[Tgo01]

So all that ranting and raving that Dreaven did about death boards on the topic of the American Care Act, suddenly a board of experts is going to set standards for doctors. Talking about irony. The CDC already set guidelines, only the president has ignored them.

A) I never talked about death panels. Nice try.
2) Even if I did there is a huge difference between a panel of doctors determining whether you are worthy of living or not and a fucking group of experts determining what a cause of death is.
#) Fuck you.
4) Italy was LITERALLY setting up death panels and determining that older people were going to be left to die so they could save younger people, so it kind of looks like that "death panel" group of people in regards to Obamacare might have been on to something.


I’m also pretty sure that group of experts were the pandemic response team, that Trump disbanded, but I cannot say for sure.

More fake news. Trump didn't disband the pandemic team. Even if he did surely the CDC or the task force can decide what should and should not be counted as a Wuhan virus death. This isn't something that we need an entire dedicated team for.

Of course Trump can't do this now because the minute he does the news and Democrats will be screeching like harpies that Trump is trying to cover up the number of Wuhan virus deaths, so we are stuck waiting until Democrats get tired of marking down drug overdose deaths as Wuhan virus deaths.

[Solkern]

More fake news. Trump didn't disband the pandemic team. Even if he did surely the CDC or the task force can decide what should and should not be counted as a Wuhan virus death. This isn't something that we need an entire dedicated team for.

Like I said, I wasn’t sure.
But from looking at your posts, and how serious you take these so called fake coronavirus deaths.... it looks like we do need an entire team dedicated to it.


https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-trump-fired-pandemic-team/partly-false-claim-trump-fired-pandemic-response-team-in-2018-idUSKBN21C32M

I guess this is the story of what happened, but I can’t bother to read it now. It partly blames Trump, but it wasn’t just him.

[Tgo01]

Cuomo: We can't save everyone, people die, that's life. But we did everything we could.
Democrats and media: Such brave! Such awesome! Cuomo for president!!!

Trump: One life lost is too many, but we have to get our economy open again or else many more people are going to die and suffer from the lockdown.
Democrats and media: OMG!!!11 Trump doesn't care about old people!111!! He wants your Great Aunt Sally to die!!111!!

[Tgo01]

Like I said, I wasn’t sure.
But from looking at your posts, and how serious you take these so called fake coronavirus deaths.... it looks like we do need an entire team dedicated to it.

Some of the deaths are fake, the states have so much as admitted as much.

Not only was there that one case from California where they flat out admitted a man in his 30's had died of a drug overdose but was counted as a Wuhan death anyways, but there is also NY's shenanigans.

NY decided that if ANYONE died with a symptom (remember a symptom could be something as innocuous as a runny nose), even if they were never tested for Wuhan virus, if they had recently come into contact with someone who did test positive for Wuhan virus then it's counted as a confirmed Wuhan virus death.

Look I'm all for keeping a tally of two stats: confirmed deaths and suspected deaths, but we are combining them all into one confirmed deaths category. That's bullshit.


https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-trump-fired-pandemic-team/partly-false-claim-trump-fired-pandemic-response-team-in-2018-idUSKBN21C32M

I guess this is the story of what happened, but I can’t bother to read it now. It partly blames Trump, but it wasn’t just him.

At least they got most of it right. Most of the people who were part of the "pandemic response" team kept their previous role, they were just assigned to different groups in an effort to consolidate teams. What they left out is that some people ended up quitting or resigning for any number of reasons, something that if a far cry from Trump "disbanding" the team and getting rid of everyone.

[Solkern]

I think the problem is, when the news or doctors say someone died of coronavirus, they don’t actually mean he virus itself, but complications that arose due to the virus, that caused the death. The same thing they do with influenza and what not.

Granted doctors sometimes get it wrong, or fuck up, but that’s generally the universal standard set.

[Astray]

I have the deadly coof. Having to self isolate but it's literally just a cold.

[Solkern]

Some of the deaths are fake, the states have so much as admitted as much.

Not only was there that one case from California where they flat out admitted a man in his 30's had died of a drug overdose but was counted as a Wuhan death anyways, but there is also NY's shenanigans.

NY decided that if ANYONE died with a symptom (remember a symptom could be something as innocuous as a runny nose), even if they were never tested for Wuhan virus, if they had recently come into contact with someone who did test positive for Wuhan virus then it's counted as a confirmed Wuhan virus death.


While, I haven’t read about that, I’ll take your word for it.
While I’m not defending them, I’ll try to offer an explanation. The doctors in NY were completely overwhelmed, to the point where they couldn’t handle what was happening within their hospitals.
Cases were growing daily, doctors were working 24, 48, 72 hours straight. With resources running scarce hospitals and doctors overwhelmed I don’t blame them for grouping these things together.
If there wasn’t a pandemic happening Right now, they don’t have an excuse. But because of the situation they were in, can you blame them for it?

[Solkern]

I have the deadly coof. Having to self isolate but it's literally just a cold.

I smoke, and have a smokers cough, people always stare at me every time I cough. lol

[Solkern]

Also, during this pandemic, if someone came into the hospital with symptoms, let’s use the example you gave, runny nose.
And they died in the hospital. I think it would be pretty safe to assume they died from complications of the coronavirus. Especially if you look at the current situation NY was in.

Could they be wrong? Or course, could they be right? Of course.

[Astray]

I smoke, and have a smokers cough, people always stare at me every time I cough. lol

There's days where I think about quitting but fuck that. I'm not a quitter.

[Solkern]

There's days where I think about quitting but fuck that. I'm not a quitter.

I laugh at all those that did quit, fucking losers! Real men don’t quit!

[Tgo01]

Pelosi was asked about LA keeping things shut down for 3 more months, mentioning that some people said their businesses couldn't survive being shut down for another 3 months and other people said they couldn't survive 3 more months without a job.

Pelosi said she agreed with the mayor's decision and brushed aside those pesky peasants' concerns by saying she understood another 3 month shut down was "inconvenient."

Imagine if a rich, old, white Republican man was on national news saying businesses shutting down and people losing their jobs was a mere "inconvenience." There used to be a time not too long ago that Democrats railed against exactly this type of person, now they rally around them and defend every shit that escapes their mouth.

[Methais]

I’m not sure how exactly they are labeling it. That’s up to the doctors and medical staff.

But if someone was a huge drug addict, got the flu, and flu made their existing conditions life threatening, and they died, I’m pretty sure they’d label it as death of flu complications.

So if we don’t add these deaths by complications brought on by the flu or the coronavirus, we could say the death total from the flu should be dramatically decreased along with coronavirus deaths.

So if they label deaths from complications of the flu as flu deaths, why can’t they do the same with coronavirus? But yeah, some of the deaths they are labeling are fucking retarded as fuck.

I mean, let’s imagine you are in Florida and you got shot, during the 1 minute you are bleeding out and dying but before you die from the shot, and alligator bites you and kills you first, what would you label as the cause of death?
(It’s Florida, I’m sure this happens on a weekly basis)

That’s the problem with labeling causes of deaths, there are so many complications involved in it, it’s just a big giant shit show.

You literally dodged the entire "overdose" question.

[Astray]

Day 2 of the deadly coof.

Chills, slight fever. I've written my will just in case though.

[Methais]

So all that ranting and raving that Dreaven did about death boards on the topic of the American Care Act, suddenly a board of experts is going to set standards for doctors. Talking about irony. The CDC already set guidelines, only the president has ignored them.

It's incredible that you're really so fucking stupid that you think this apples to apples or have anything to do with each other at all.

Holy fuck. Seriously what is wrong with your brain? Are you the offspring of Backlash and Androidpk?

[Wrathbringer]

I'll have a T-bone medium rare, with a side of bacteria please. No no, not the usual Salmonella; only your finest Corona virus!

:lol: It's obvious that you're still scared of your own shadow so it's probably best if you continue cowering in your home like a little bitch so that you don't get this cold for awhile.

[Gelston]

There's days where I think about quitting but fuck that. I'm not a quitter.

I decided to LIVE MY BEST LIFE and fired cigarettes from it. GelstonCorp doesn't need employees that harm the corporation on its payroll. I fired them about 5 years ago, on a whim. No plans or anything, one night at the bar I was just like "Fuck that shit". Still had half a pack. Didn't finish it.

[~Rocktar~]

https://www.wibc.com/news/coronavirus/iupui-indianas-virus-cases-11-times-higher-than-suspected/