Wuhan Virus

[~Rocktar~]

I decided to LIVE MY BEST LIFE and fired cigarettes from it. GelstonCorp doesn't need employees that harm the corporation on its payroll. I fired them about 5 years ago, on a whim. No plans or anything, one night at the bar I was just like "Fuck that shit". Still had half a pack. Didn't finish it.

Good for you! They killed my mom with pancreatic cancer in 93. It was not pretty.

[Gelston]

Good for you! They killed my mom with pancreatic cancer in 93. It was not pretty.

My Great Grandma had Emphysema and eventually died at like 95 or so. My Grandfather smoked until his 80s when he had to get a heart surgery, he quit after that. My family, both sides, really has no cancer issues. I mainly quite because it was an unnecessary expense. Later I began to notice how much it stank.

[Methais]

Also, during this pandemic, if someone came into the hospital with symptoms, let’s use the example you gave, runny nose.
And they died in the hospital. I think it would be pretty safe to assume they died from complications of the coronavirus. Especially if you look at the current situation NY was in.

Could they be wrong? Or course, could they be right? Of course.

That's a very dumb thought process.

A Gemstone critter casts Poison at you!
You are poisoned! Taking 5 damage per round!

A gemstone critter swings an axe at your face!
AS: 5000 - DS: 4000 + AvD: 20 + d100 roll: 96 = 1116
...and hits you for 584839 damage!
Your brains splatter everywhere! And now you're dead as fuck!

It seems you have died, my friend...


^ If this happened in New York, it would be listed a COVID death.

[Methais]

In before speaking to people in person is banned:

https://i.imgur.com/KZNWUmn.jpg

[Ashlander]

In before speaking to people in person is banned:

https://i.imgur.com/KZNWUmn.jpg

Time to start learning sign language I guess.

[Gelston]

Texas has once again reached their previous peak of infected persons, and it isn't showing signs of slowing with nearly 1500 new cases yesterday, the most in a single day ever for the state.

[Methais]

https://scontent.fbtr1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/97047367_727013204709177_4978791609249300480_n.png ?_nc_cat=105&_nc_sid=b96e70&_nc_ohc=9BGOpmWJPS0AX_aIkKb&_nc_ht=scontent.fbtr1-1.fna&oh=37cc2b58178c2c791506de781853f095&oe=5EE495FC

[Risen]

https://www.wibc.com/news/coronavirus/iupui-indianas-virus-cases-11-times-higher-than-suspected/


Menachemi says while that means any individual Hoosier's odds of dying from the virus are about one in 170, that's still six times the death rate from flu. And since the coronavirus is far more infectious and can be carried by people without symptoms, Menachemi says Indiana needs to "double and triple up" precautions like hand washing and social distancing as it slowly reopens.

Good quote.

[Archigeek]

Day 2 of the deadly coof.

Chills, slight fever. I've written my will just in case though.

I got tested last week. Can confirm that having a swab shoved up your nose all the way to your throat is indeed unpleasant.

[Parkbandit]

Why is this even up for debate at this point? This shit is absolutely absurd and bordering on criminal with the way some hospitals/cities/states are handling this shit.

I heard that hospitals make more money for every covid-19 case they handle. I have no idea if it's true or not.. but that could be the biggest motivation for hospitals and doctors to declare covid19 killed someone.

[Gelston]

I heard that hospitals make more money for every covid-19 case they handle. I have no idea if it's true or not.. but that could be the biggest motivation for hospitals and doctors to declare covid19 killed someone.

They get extra funding, that is 100% true. Uninsured are also covered if it is said they have COVID-19.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/04/24/fact-check-medicare-hospitals-paid-more-covid-19-patients-coronavirus/3000638001/

[Solkern]

You literally dodged the entire "overdose" question.


I didn’t, I literally said, doctors make mistakes and fuck up.. which is bound to happen in this situation.

[Solkern]

I heard that hospitals make more money for every covid-19 case they handle. I have no idea if it's true or not.. but that could be the biggest motivation for hospitals and doctors to declare covid19 killed someone.

I heard they get more funding, but I’m not sure if it translates to money in pocket.

[Astray]

I decided to LIVE MY BEST LIFE and fired cigarettes from it. GelstonCorp doesn't need employees that harm the corporation on its payroll. I fired them about 5 years ago, on a whim. No plans or anything, one night at the bar I was just like "Fuck that shit". Still had half a pack. Didn't finish it.

Here at Astray LLC, we like to get high as fuck on some premium bud. If I die, I had fun.

[Gelston]

Here at Astray LLC, we like to get high as fuck on some premium bud. If I die, I had fun.

Your Mother Company would be very sad.

[Alfster]

They get extra funding, that is 100% true. Uninsured are also covered if it is said they have COVID-19.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/04/24/fact-check-medicare-hospitals-paid-more-covid-19-patients-coronavirus/3000638001/

Part of the Care act is reimbursement for uninsured patients. I'm heavily involved in it and it's quite the interesting mess. The fee max for covid testing is low, but the treatments themselves are covered. 6 billion dollars in total is allocated for uninsured - once it's gone no more coverage for uninsured. The forecasting is roughly 20 million patients.

[Alfster]

They're also being reimbursed at Medicare fee schedules.

[Astray]

Your Mother Company would be very sad.

She's used to it.

[Seran]

I heard they get more funding, but I’m not sure if it translates to money in pocket.

They get higher reimbursement rates for covid-19 related procedures, but it's kinda a wash in the severe reduction in elective procedures that are high earning and for the overtime and hazard pay going out to doctors and nurses.

[Tgo01]

CNN conducted a poll and concluded that more people trust CNN with information about the Wuhan virus than they do Trump and Fox News.

CNN then reported about this CNN conducted poll about people trusting CNN on CNN.

Brian Stelter, a supposed journalist who works for CNN, was so giddy about this CNN poll that he posted a screenshot of a CNN broadcast which showed that a CNN poll concluded that more people trust CNN than they do Trump or Fox News.

No, really, guys, this happened. This isn't a computer simulation, this isn't an SNL skit, this is real life from real "journalists."

https://twitter.com/brianstelter/status/1260152188959064065?s=20

[Slider]

Finally, our wonderful gov. Gretchen Whitmer has been slapped with another lawsuit, this one by the medical establishment in Michigan for her unilateral ban on all medical procedures except for covid-19 patients. Among other things, the lawsuit blasts her for continuing to use outdated, and vastly over-inflated numbers that have since been proven false about the number and severity of expected covid 19 cases.

according to the lawsuit “Graphics depicted that while Governor Whitmer’s administration anticipated 220,000 patients being hospitalized without social distancing efforts, there had only been 3,000 hospitalizations as of April 27,” according to the suit. “That is less than 1.4% of the projected COVID-19 hospitalizations underlying the governor’s declared states of emergency and disaster.”

In fact, state data shows Michigan hospitals are “well-stocked with over 2,400 available ventilators, nearly 1,000 available ICU beds, and more than 7,000 available hospital beds,” the lawsuit said."

I know that at least one hospital has completely closed down because of this, I have friends who work in nursing homes that, according to Whitmore are all overwhelmed, that have zero patients.

Full story here.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/may/14/gretchen-whitmer-michigan-governor-facing-lawsuit-/

[Tgo01]

Finally, our wonderful gov. Gretchen Whitmer has been slapped with another lawsuit, this one by the medical establishment in Michigan for her unilateral ban on all medical procedures except for covid-19 patients. Among other things, the lawsuit blasts her for continuing to use outdated, and vastly over-inflated numbers that have since been proven false about the number and severity of expected covid 19 cases.

according to the lawsuit “Graphics depicted that while Governor Whitmer’s administration anticipated 220,000 patients being hospitalized without social distancing efforts, there had only been 3,000 hospitalizations as of April 27,” according to the suit. “That is less than 1.4% of the projected COVID-19 hospitalizations underlying the governor’s declared states of emergency and disaster.”

In fact, state data shows Michigan hospitals are “well-stocked with over 2,400 available ventilators, nearly 1,000 available ICU beds, and more than 7,000 available hospital beds,” the lawsuit said."

I know that at least one hospital has completely closed down because of this, I have friends who work in nursing homes that, according to Whitmore are all overwhelmed, that have zero patients.

Full story here.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/may/14/gretchen-whitmer-michigan-governor-facing-lawsuit-/

It's crazy to think that most Democrats are so brain dead that they think shutting down nearly all medical procedures (except abortions of course) is going to save more lives than are lost to the Wuhan virus.

[Tgo01]

Holy shit. I knew Democrats were insane, but they are even more insane than I could have ever possibly imagined.

So the 3 trillion dollar Democrat giveaway they passed today included the following:

Direct payments to illegal aliens
Mandatory mail in voting
States are not allowed to require voter ID to obtain a ballot (this one really gets me, since when does the federal government have the right to tell states how they conduct elections?)
States may not require a witness signature in order for someone to obtain or fill out a ballot (so this one combined with the one above means literally anyone can just request a ballot and the state isn't allowed even the slightest bit of rights to ensure this person is legally allowed to vote or that they are who they say they are.)
25 billion dollar bailout for the post office

And of course the best parts:
540 fucking billion dollars for state bailouts. That goes WAY behind the damage caused of the Wuhan virus. Oh yeah the best part? The more confirmed Wuhan virus cases a state has the more money they get, AND the more unemployed people they have the more money they get. Now gee, which states tend to have more confirmed cases AND more unemployed due to their never ending lockdowns? Oh that's right, blue states! The Democrats in the House managed to find a way to give a large giveaway to blue states while making it not look like a large giveaway to blue states.

Oh but it gets better!

375 fucking billion dollars for cities and counties. Oh you thought Democrats were just bailing out blue states? You silly fools! Metropolitan cities get a larger share of this pie, now gee, what side of the aisle do metropolitan cities tend to lean towards?

And the list just goes on and on and on and on and on with this bullshit, leftist giveaway. Absolutely disgusting.

[Tgo01]

Holy shit. I knew Democrats were insane, but they are even more insane than I could have ever possibly imagined.

So the 3 trillion dollar Democrat giveaway they passed today included the following:

Direct payments to illegal aliens
Mandatory mail in voting
States are not allowed to require voter ID to obtain a ballot (this one really gets me, since when does the federal government have the right to tell states how they conduct elections?)
States may not require a witness signature in order for someone to obtain or fill out a ballot (so this one combined with the one above means literally anyone can just request a ballot and the state isn't allowed even the slightest bit of rights to ensure this person is legally allowed to vote or that they are who they say they are.)
25 billion dollar bailout for the post office

And of course the best parts:
540 fucking billion dollars for state bailouts. That goes WAY behind the damage caused of the Wuhan virus. Oh yeah the best part? The more confirmed Wuhan virus cases a state has the more money they get, AND the more unemployed people they have the more money they get. Now gee, which states tend to have more confirmed cases AND more unemployed due to their never ending lockdowns? Oh that's right, blue states! The Democrats in the House managed to find a way to give a large giveaway to blue states while making it not look like a large giveaway to blue states.

Oh but it gets better!

375 fucking billion dollars for cities and counties. Oh you thought Democrats were just bailing out blue states? You silly fools! Metropolitan cities get a larger share of this pie, now gee, what side of the aisle do metropolitan cities tend to lean towards?

And the list just goes on and on and on and on and on with this bullshit, leftist giveaway. Absolutely disgusting.

Oh yeah, how could I forget about Democrats' latest pet class: violent criminals!

The bill would outlaw bail for federal courts during any national emergency for communicable diseases and for 60 days after the national emergency has ended, instead all criminals must be immediately released unless the government can show "clear and convincing evidence based on individualized facts that detention is necessary because the individual’s release will pose a specific and substantial risk that the individual will cause bodily injury or use violent force against the person of another and that no conditions of release will reasonably mitigate that risk."

So if a Muslim shoots up another gay nightclub it's not automatic that the terrorist would be thrown in jail pending his trial, instead the government would have to prove that he is a danger to someone and that this wasn't just a one time terrorist act.

Oh it gets even better! Even IF the government proves the person is a danger to society the judge is required to take the criminal's age and health into consideration when deciding whether or not to hold him in jail pending his trial.

Yes that's right. So if Mr. Redneck beats his wife to within an inch of her life, is arrested, government proves he is a danger to his wife if released, the judge is supposed to look at this fat fuck and say "Gee, 400 pounds and diabetes? No, he won't do well in prison what with Wuhan virus going around" AND FUCKING RELEASE HIM.

This is in a FUCKING STIMULUS BILL. Democrats are literal terrorists now. Literal.

[Tgo01]

More fake Wuhan virus deaths. (https://dailycaller.com/2020/05/15/colorado-man-alcohol-poisoning-coronavirus-covid-19-cases-report/)


A Colorado man who died of alcohol poisoning was reportedly added to the state’s official coronavirus death toll by health officials.

Also:


“Last month, a CBS4 Investigation revealed the state health department reclassified three deaths at a Centennial nursing home as COVID-19 deaths, despite the fact attending physicians ruled all three were not related to coronavirus,” the report stated. “In each case, the residents had tested positive for COVID-19, but in each case, on-scene doctors ruled the deaths were not related to the virus.”

[Solkern]

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/04/social-media-posts-make-baseless-claim-on-covid-19-death-toll/

https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/verify/verify-conspiracy-that-covid-19-deaths-are-being-inflated-doesnt-add-up/507-41f555ea-c051-423d-8f06-209d34aa5636


While I’m sure there are plenty of mislabeled causes of deaths. I’m almost 100% positive there are far far far more deaths due to coronavirus that aren’t reported as such.

[Tgo01]

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/04/social-media-posts-make-baseless-claim-on-covid-19-death-toll/

https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/verify/verify-conspiracy-that-covid-19-deaths-are-being-inflated-doesnt-add-up/507-41f555ea-c051-423d-8f06-209d34aa5636


While I’m sure there are plenty of mislabeled causes of deaths. I’m almost 100% positive there are far far far more deaths due to coronavirus that aren’t reported as such.

Those links are from April 8th. Stop that.

We already have a mountain of evidence that states, mostly liberal states, are over counting their Wuhan virus deaths. Why would you assume the real death total is far far far higher?

[Some Rogue]

Trump gets to mail in vote, but anyone else is bad.

[Astray]

Day 3 of the deadly Chinese Virus.

Lots of sweating at night. Still got a fever.

[Tgo01]

Day 3 of the deadly Chinese Virus.

Lots of sweating at night. Still got a fever.

Do you have the virus or sick with something else?

[Astray]

Do you have the virus or sick with something else?

I tested positive for Covid-19.

[Tgo01]

I tested positive for Covid-19.

Well that's no fun. Where do you think you got it from?

[Astray]

Well that's no fun. Where do you think you got it from?

Most likely at the store. Everyone finger fucks things with the same pair of gloves they've worn all day.

[Solkern]

Day 3 of the deadly Chinese Virus.

Lots of sweating at night. Still got a fever.


Dude, please take care of yourself! I hope you get better quickly!

[Astray]

Dude, please take care of yourself! I hope you get better quickly!

I'm not stressing or really remotely bothered. I feel fine and can function. Vitamins and some Dayquil appear to be doing the trick.

[Archigeek]

There's days where I think about quitting but fuck that. I'm not a quitter.

https://www.mprnews.org/story/2020/05/14/npr-fear-of-contracting-coronavirus-propels-some-smokers-to-quit


Early studies suggest that smokers who develop COVID-19, the disease caused by the coronavirus, are 14 times more likely to need intensive treatment compared with nonsmokers.

Sounds like a good reason to quit. They say obesity is a factor too.

[~Rocktar~]

They say obesity is a factor too.

Obesity is a factor in everything yet our society is still stuck on bad food models, one size fits all diets and ignores the fact that nearly 50% of obesity is genetically driven yet still goes on abut how it's just in your head and you should just eat less. Alcoholism, drug addiction, gambling, etc are all diseases and treated as such but fat, nooooo, you just eat too much and don't care about yourself you fat cow. It's the last socially acceptable form of discrimination short of being white. Food is the worst addiction of all because you can stop consuming all the other addictions and not die, stop eating and see how long you last.

[Tgo01]

Sounds like a good reason to quit. They say obesity is a factor too.

Stop fat shaming! Healthy at any weight!

[Fortybox]

Obesity is a factor in everything yet our society is still stuck on bad food models, one size fits all diets and ignores the fact that nearly 50% of obesity is genetically driven yet still goes on abut how it's just in your head and you should just eat less. Alcoholism, drug addiction, gambling, etc are all diseases and treated as such but fat, nooooo, you just eat too much and don't care about yourself you fat cow. It's the last socially acceptable form of discrimination short of being white. Food is the worst addiction of all because you can stop consuming all the other addictions and not die, stop eating and see how long you last.

Obesity isn't 50% genetically driven :lol:

Eat less / eat clean. It's as simple as that.

[~Rocktar~]

Obesity isn't 50% genetically driven :lol:

Eat less / eat clean. It's as simple as that.

See what I mean? My bariatric surgeon says you don't know what you are talking about. Eating less is true, which is why I have a bariatric surgeon.

[Astray]

https://www.mprnews.org/story/2020/05/14/npr-fear-of-contracting-coronavirus-propels-some-smokers-to-quit



Sounds like a good reason to quit. They say obesity is a factor too.

Pry my smokes from my cold dead hands. Come back in like, 8 days maybe?

Also, I stay fit thanks to my job.

[Fortybox]

Pry my smokes from my cold dead hands. Come back in like, 8 days maybe?

Also, I stay fit thanks to my job.

It will catch up to you someday.

[Astray]

It will catch up to you someday.

No shit? I thought all my actions were completely free of consequences because of reasons.

[Stolis]

No shit? I thought all my actions were completely free of consequences because of reasons.

Only in California, New York, and Illinois.

[Methais]

Well that's no fun. Where do you think you got it from?

Seran.

[Methais]

I'm not stressing or really remotely bothered. I feel fine and can function. Vitamins and some Dayquil appear to be doing the trick.

YOU WILL PANIC RIGHT NOW AND YOU'LL LIKE IT MISTER!!!!!!11

[Risen]

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/04/social-media-posts-make-baseless-claim-on-covid-19-death-toll/


https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/verify/verify-conspiracy-that-covid-19-deaths-are-being-inflated-doesnt-add-up/507-41f555ea-c051-423d-8f06-209d34aa5636


While I’m sure there are plenty of mislabeled causes of deaths. I’m almost 100% positive there are far far far more deaths due to coronavirus that aren’t reported as such.



This is not an isolated issue: A 2013 study of the 2009 H1N1 pandemic in the U.S. found that lab-confirmed tests accounted for only about 1 in every 7 deaths attributable to the disease.

Good quote.

[Methais]

https://www.mprnews.org/story/2020/05/14/npr-fear-of-contracting-coronavirus-propels-some-smokers-to-quit



Sounds like a good reason to quit. They say obesity is a factor too.

I doubt any of this is really verified and I'm too lazy to do any real reading anyway, but it might depend what you're smoking...

Study Shows Cannabis May Block COVID-19 Infection (https://www.labroots.com/trending/cannabis-sciences/17593/study-cannabis-block-covid-19-infection)

[Astray]

YOU WILL PANIC RIGHT NOW AND YOU'LL LIKE IT MISTER!!!!!!11

I am literally sharting myself out of fear.

[Astray]

I doubt any of this is really verified and I'm too lazy to do any real reading anyway, but it might depend what you're smoking...

Study Shows Cannabis May Block COVID-19 Infection (https://www.labroots.com/trending/cannabis-sciences/17593/study-cannabis-block-covid-19-infection)


Researchers from the University of Lethbridge, Canada, have found that cannabis may be able to block COVID-19 infections. In findings published in a preliminary research paper, they hope that their findings encourage further research into the possibility of cannabis-based treatments for the virus.

For the study, the researchers led by Dr. Igor Kovalchuck developed over 800 new cannabis sativa lines and extracts. They worked to develop strains high in anti-inflammatory cannabinoid cannabidiol (CBD), as the compound has been proposed to have anti-inflammatory and anti-cancer properties. They then used simulations to map out how each strain may impact COVID-19 infections in human oral, airway and intestinal tissues. In particular, they monitored each strain’s ability to modulate ACE2 levels, an enzyme previously linked to COVID-19 infection.

In the end, the researchers identified 13 CBD extracts that are able to modulate ACE2 levels. Their data also suggested that some strains were also able to down-regulate serine protease TMPRSS2, another protein critical for COVID-19 to enter host cells and spread throughout the body.

Dank kush saves lives.

[Archigeek]

I doubt any of this is really verified and I'm too lazy to do any real reading anyway, but it might depend what you're smoking...

Study Shows Cannabis May Block COVID-19 Infection (https://www.labroots.com/trending/cannabis-sciences/17593/study-cannabis-block-covid-19-infection)

From the study, a couple of clicks and you can read details there, but here you go:


The patients in the progression group were significantly older than those in the disease improvement/stabilization group (66 [51, 70] vs. 37 [32, 41] years, U = 4.932, P = 0.001). The progression group had a significantly higher proportion of patients with a history of smoking than the improvement/stabilization group (27.3% vs. 3.0%, χ = 9.291, P = 0.018).

So you're in much more danger if you're older (this was already pretty well known) but even more fucked if you smoke. Of course, correlation does not prove causation, but it's pretty compelling evidence.

[~Rocktar~]

Geee, a nation with an over abundance of old folks "accidentally" releases/discovered/whatever a disease that really kills the fuck out of old folks. Makes one wonder a bit.

[Neveragain]

So..this person works for the CDC.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxR6OTAYPSU

[Solkern]

Those links are from April 8th. Stop that.

We already have a mountain of evidence that states, mostly liberal states, are over counting their Wuhan virus deaths. Why would you assume the real death total is far far far higher?

Not sure why the date matters? Did these so called fake causes of death only happen after April 8th? Past experience has shown us that causes of death have always been underreported regarding viruses/pandemics etc

[Solkern]

I doubt any of this is really verified and I'm too lazy to do any real reading anyway, but it might depend what you're smoking...

Study Shows Cannabis May Block COVID-19 Infection (https://www.labroots.com/trending/cannabis-sciences/17593/study-cannabis-block-covid-19-infection)

I also saw an article that stated smoking cigarettes can help prevent you from getting the virus.

https://www.dw.com/en/does-nicotine-help-against-the-new-coronavirus/a-53260336

[Archigeek]

Geee, a nation with an over abundance of old folks "accidentally" releases/discovered/whatever a disease that really kills the fuck out of old folks. Makes one wonder a bit.

Sounds like fiction.

[Tgo01]

Democrat terrorists at it again. (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/wisconsin-nurse-went-bar-help-sister-reopen-now-apologizes-lapse-n1208686)

tl;dr: Wisconsin supreme court said "Fuck you!" to the governor's lockdown orders so businesses were free to reopen. A nurse, overworked and stressed from working at a hospital and raising a toddler and being cooped up at home for months, decided to help her sister reopen her bar and to hang out with her friends and have a good time for a change.

That's not allowed in deranged liberal land! She wasn't wearing a mask!1!!1!1 You would think that even IF this was a story (which it's not, nurse doesn't wear a mask I mean fucking really?) it would be local news at best. Nope! Fucking headline national news, with the likes of MSNBC, ABC, CNN, NBC, and the rest of the usual suspects piling on to shame this woman.

The Democrat outrage mob went on the attack, first they tried to get her fired, surprisingly her employer didn't fire her but did shame her for the audacious act of going to a bar! THE HORROR!

The outrage mob kept up and now, days later, she is still in national headline news and she has now apologized, yes fucking apologized for having a little bit of fun before Democrats said she was allowed to have fun.

So much for all of that virtue signaling bullshit they were doing about how much they respected and admired nurses, but much like how they treat women and blacks when they step out of line they will attempt to make your life a living hell if you don't kowtow to their demands and political agenda.

I would say the Democrat party has been taken over by radicals, but it's always been like this, they are just feeling much more emboldened to show their true face and the more moderate Democrats haven't yet seen the light.

[Tgo01]

Holy shit. I knew Democrats were insane, but they are even more insane than I could have ever possibly imagined.

So the 3 trillion dollar Democrat giveaway they passed today included the following:

Direct payments to illegal aliens
Mandatory mail in voting
States are not allowed to require voter ID to obtain a ballot (this one really gets me, since when does the federal government have the right to tell states how they conduct elections?)
States may not require a witness signature in order for someone to obtain or fill out a ballot (so this one combined with the one above means literally anyone can just request a ballot and the state isn't allowed even the slightest bit of rights to ensure this person is legally allowed to vote or that they are who they say they are.)
25 billion dollar bailout for the post office

And of course the best parts:
540 fucking billion dollars for state bailouts. That goes WAY behind the damage caused of the Wuhan virus. Oh yeah the best part? The more confirmed Wuhan virus cases a state has the more money they get, AND the more unemployed people they have the more money they get. Now gee, which states tend to have more confirmed cases AND more unemployed due to their never ending lockdowns? Oh that's right, blue states! The Democrats in the House managed to find a way to give a large giveaway to blue states while making it not look like a large giveaway to blue states.

Oh but it gets better!

375 fucking billion dollars for cities and counties. Oh you thought Democrats were just bailing out blue states? You silly fools! Metropolitan cities get a larger share of this pie, now gee, what side of the aisle do metropolitan cities tend to lean towards?

And the list just goes on and on and on and on and on with this bullshit, leftist giveaway. Absolutely disgusting.

Holy shit times 2!

Remember how Democrats pushed for federal unemployment to be 600 dollars a week on top of what state unemployment pays, even if it means the person is now making more money staying at home than going to work? Remember all of those stories from small business owners who say their employees don't want to come back to work because they are making more money not working?

Yeah that shit is set to expire in July, this 3 trillion dollar Democrat goodie bag would extend that UNTIL JANUARY.

Yes, Democrats are actively encouraging people to make more money sitting on their asses at home UNTIL JANUARY.

Now gee, I wonder why they chose January of all months? Could it be they want high unemployment numbers in the news through election day? So weird. I'm just surprised they didn't make it more obvious and have it set to expire November 4th.

[Tgo01]

Would you look at that? (https://kdvr.com/news/coronavirus/fewer-covid-19-deaths-reported-in-colorado-after-health-department-changes-fatality-categorization/)


Nearly 300 fewer people have died directly from COVID-19 in Colorado than originally reported, after the Colorado Department of Health and Environment changed the death statistics Friday.

CDPHE now reports that as of May 9, 878 people had died “due to” COVID-19 and 1,150 people have died “among” COVID-19 cases.

Basically Colorado admitted they were over-counting the number of people who have died from the Wuhan virus, lowering their death toll by 300, almost 25%.

Going forward Colorado will now keep track of two stats:

1) Confirmed cases of Wuhan virus deaths.
2) Cases where the person tested positive but the Wuhan virus isn't suspected to have contributed to the death.

This is all I have been asking for. Why did it take 2 months to do this? Now we just need to get NY and NJ to pull their heads out of their asses and do something similar and watch as the confirmed death toll gets cut in half over night.

[~Rocktar~]

Would you look at that? (https://kdvr.com/news/coronavirus/fewer-covid-19-deaths-reported-in-colorado-after-health-department-changes-fatality-categorization/)



Basically Colorado admitted they were over-counting the number of people who have died from the Wuhan virus, lowering their death toll by 300, almost 25%.

Going forward Colorado will now keep track of two stats:

1) Confirmed cases of Wuhan virus deaths.
2) Cases where the person tested positive but the Wuhan virus isn't suspected to have contributed to the death.

This is all I have been asking for. Why did it take 2 months to do this? Now we just need to get NY and NJ to pull their heads out of their asses and do something similar and watch as the confirmed death toll gets cut in half over night.

If you don't lie on the death stats, then people won't be afraid of this #Fauxdemic

[Jeril]

If you don't lie on the death stats, then people won't be afraid of this #Fauxdemic

It is a pandemic though. Have you looked at the definition of the word? It doesn't quantify how deadly the disease is, merely that's its contagious and wide spread. Of course the way it's used makes it sound scary and most people are too lazy to look up what it actually means. So to the ignorant, it's probably close to the second coming of the black plague or something.

[~Rocktar~]

It is a pandemic though. Have you looked at the definition of the word? It doesn't quantify how deadly the disease is, merely that's its contagious and wide spread. Of course the way it's used makes it sound scary and most people are too lazy to look up what it actually means. So to the ignorant, it's probably close to the second coming of the black plague or something.

WOOOOOSHHHHHHHHHH




https://youtu.be/wtUtXRRbQR0

[Seran]

Interesting if false narrative claiming that the Federal governments own guidelines on how to track and report Covid-19 deaths are in support of a made up pandemic. Tens of thousands die, many more will have long term scarring and possible disability as a result of infection and the panic news Conservative media is lying to push their political agenda.

[~Rocktar~]

Interesting if false narrative claiming that the Federal governments own guidelines on how to track and report Covid-19 deaths are in support of a made up pandemic. Tens of thousands die, many more will have long term scarring and possible disability as a result of infection and the panic news Conservative media is lying to push their political agenda.

Project much?

[Seran]

Project much?

Yeah. I make it point of being right

[Tgo01]

Yeah. I make it point of being right

Literally the funniest thing you have ever said.

[Tgo01]

https://youtu.be/3Fb23IwIgfA

Nothing to see here! Just a CNN reporter (the one in pink) who suggested to Trump last week that his mask rule was "just for the cameras" ripping off her mask when she thinks the cameras are off and gets close enough to others in the room to fuck them with a strap on.

[Tgo01]

May 10th was the fewest number of new daily deaths since March 29th at 750 new daily deaths. May 17th the number was again in triple digits at 865, in the interim the highest number was 1,871.

Looks like the daily number of deaths in on a downward trend and not even liberal states classifying drug overdoses as Wuhan virus deaths can slow it.

I know this must be terrible news for people such as Seran who were so hoping tens of thousands of people in Georgia and Florida would die. Looks like you were wrong. Again.

[Tgo01]

Jesus Fucking Christ.

As some of you may not know (because the media is busy covering for him), Cuomo is directly responsible for thousands of preventable deaths at nursing homes because of a policy that forced nursing homes to take in patients who had tested positive for the Wuhan virus.

Here is what Cuomo had to say in his defense of this policy today:

"And still, people died. Still, people died. Older people, vulnerable people are going to die from this virus. That is going to happen despite whatever you do. Because with all our progress as a society, we can't keep everyone alive."

Yes that's right, we have now gone from "OMG! Trump hates your granny! Republicans don't care about older people! They just care about money and the economy" to "Eh, old people die. Get over it." But only because a Democrat is saying it of course.

I bet as more stories come out about how Democrat states completely bungled their response the next argument will be "Well they would have died in a few months anyways."

[Parkbandit]

Yeah. I make it point of being right

https://media.giphy.com/media/VBUIvFMG4eEOQ/giphy-downsized-large.gif

[rolfard]

Jesus Fucking Christ.

As some of you may not know (because the media is busy covering for him), Cuomo is directly responsible for thousands of preventable deaths at nursing homes because of a policy that forced nursing homes to take in patients who had tested positive for the Wuhan virus.

Here is what Cuomo had to say in his defense of this policy today:

"And still, people died. Still, people died. Older people, vulnerable people are going to die from this virus. That is going to happen despite whatever you do. Because with all our progress as a society, we can't keep everyone alive."

Yes that's right, we have now gone from "OMG! Trump hates your granny! Republicans don't care about older people! They just care about money and the economy" to "Eh, old people die. Get over it." But only because a Democrat is saying it of course.

I bet as more stories come out about how Democrat states completely bungled their response the next argument will be "Well they would have died in a few months anyways."

He's also passed 255 executive orders since January, most recently passing laws that would prevent suing him or the homes for loss of life.

https://www.governor.ny.gov/news/no-20210-continuing-temporary-suspension-and-modification-laws-relating-disaster-emergency

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2020/05/13/nyregion/nursing-homes-coronavirus-new-york.amp.html

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.timesunion.com/news/amp/Pandemic-leads-to-unthinkable-in-medical-15208926.php

[Tgo01]

He's also passed 255 executive orders since January, most recently passing laws that would prevent suing him or the homes for loss of life.

https://www.governor.ny.gov/news/no-20210-continuing-temporary-suspension-and-modification-laws-relating-disaster-emergency

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2020/05/13/nyregion/nursing-homes-coronavirus-new-york.amp.html

That's disgusting too. Force nursing homes to accept Wuhan virus positive patients, get everyone at the home sick, they all die, and now the families have no one to sue for negligence. It's just amazing this isn't being reported as a huge scandal, instead on CNN Cuomo's brother interviews him to talk about if he plans to start dating more now.

[Some Rogue]

That's disgusting too. Force nursing homes to accept Wuhan virus positive patients, get everyone at the home sick, they all die, and now the families have no one to sue for negligence. It's just amazing this isn't being reported as a huge scandal, instead on CNN Cuomo's brother interviews him to talk about if he plans to start dating more now.

Like this isnt something the Republicans have wanted all along?


"There are some signs of activity. McConnell and Sen. John Cornyn (R-Texas) are working on legislation that would exempt some businesses and employees from liability during the coronavirus pandemic — which McConnell deems a must-have in any relief bill"

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/d6/3e/dd/d63edd9af879f866baea5e3c5b506959.jpg

[Tgo01]

Like this isnt something the Republicans have wanted all along?


"There are some signs of activity. McConnell and Sen. John Cornyn (R-Texas) are working on legislation that would exempt some businesses and employees from liability during the coronavirus pandemic — which McConnell deems a must-have in any relief bill"

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/d6/3e/dd/d63edd9af879f866baea5e3c5b506959.jpg

Let me know when McConnell said after he directed infected patients to be sent to nursing homes to infect everyone there.

[Methais]

From the study, a couple of clicks and you can read details there, but here you go:

Yes I'm aware of that. Which is why I took the time to say that I'm too lazy to do any real reading.


So you're in much more danger if you're older (this was already pretty well known) but even more fucked if you smoke. Of course, correlation does not prove causation, but it's pretty compelling evidence.

Vaporizers and edibles are still available for those people. Both are 487320432x better than smoking anyway.

[Some Rogue]

Let me know when McConnell said after he directed infected patients to be sent to nursing homes to infect everyone there.

How about when Trump ordered the meat packing plants to stay open then they wanted to give them no liability when everyone got sick and then fire them when they didn't show up for work.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

How about when Trump ordered the meat packing plants to stay open then they wanted to give them no liability when everyone got sick and then fire them when they didn't show up for work.

Man, I'm searching and cannot find the source that says Trump ordered meat packing plants to stay open, then said they had no liability, then when they got sick said they should all be fired. Where can I find this earth-shattering article?

[Some Rogue]

Man, I'm searching and cannot find the source that says Trump ordered meat packing plants to stay open, then said they had no liability, then when they got sick said they should all be fired. Where can I find this earth-shattering article?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/04/28/trump-meat-plants-dpa/

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/04/29/847937625/workers-scared-as-trump-orders-meat-plants-to-open-during-coronavirus-crisis

https://apnews.com/67cb4bad7ffe500beabdf8e7e7efea5d


Trump on Tuesday said the order would address what he described as a “legal roadblock.” It will “solve any liability problems where they had certain liability problems and we’ll be in very good shape.”

One simple Google search.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/04/28/trump-meat-plants-dpa/

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/04/29/847937625/workers-scared-as-trump-orders-meat-plants-to-open-during-coronavirus-crisis

https://apnews.com/67cb4bad7ffe500beabdf8e7e7efea5d



One simple Google search.

Funny, other than him saying they are essential, I don't see what you read into it.

[Some Rogue]

They ordered them to stay open, to reopen the closed ones and

"The order, which was developed in consultation with industry leaders including Tyson and Smithfield, is designed, in part, to provide companies with additional liability protections in case workers get sick.

Trump on Tuesday said the order would address what he described as a “legal roadblock.” It will “solve any liability problems where they had certain liability problems and we’ll be in very good shape.”

Not sure what else there is to say.

[Methais]

Yeah. I make it point of being right

Insert Daniel quotes from PB's old sig.

[Solkern]

That's disgusting too. Force nursing homes to accept Wuhan virus positive patients, get everyone at the home sick, they all die, and now the families have no one to sue for negligence. It's just amazing this isn't being reported as a huge scandal, instead on CNN Cuomo's brother interviews him to talk about if he plans to start dating more now.

McConnell wants company protection against people suing during coronavirus for negligence. It’s something he has demanded be put in the next package.

[Methais]

https://youtu.be/3Fb23IwIgfA

Nothing to see here! Just a CNN reporter (the one in pink) who suggested to Trump last week that his mask rule was "just for the cameras" ripping off her mask when she thinks the cameras are off and gets close enough to others in the room to fuck them with a strap on.

OMG Y R THEY NOT ALL DEAD NOW?!!?!?

[Neveragain]

McConnell wants company protection against people suing during coronavirus for negligence. It’s something he has demanded be put in the next package.

This will just make it easier for people to say "I don't feel safe going to work" and remain on unemployment.

[Solkern]

This will just make it easier for people to say "I don't feel safe going to work" and remain on unemployment.


If that’s so, what’s the point of adding it? Adding it would make people not go to work, making the economy harder to restart, which the republicans want so badly, but also not adding it, makes companies not want to restart. So the problem is the same.

Seems to be a big problem, so which way should we go?

Edited: I guess it’s a choice between protecting the people, or protecting the businesses.

[Risen]

Any indications yet of raising federal minimum wage standards? I have to believe a lot of this "pay more to not work" has a target. I do not believe it is anything that has been discussed so far, I think it is fodder for the "pay more to the people" to the businesses. Is not $600 a month for however long about the same as a $4.25 or so an hour raise for most over 35-hour employees?

[Solkern]

https://www.ajc.com/news/state--regional-govt--politics/just-cuckoo-state-latest-data-mishap-causes-critics-cry-foul/182PpUvUX9XEF8vO11NVGO/


looks like Georgia altered the Coronavirus charts to mislead people to think that coronavirus cases were going down, when they actually weren't and the governor issued an apology about it.

and why i say mislead, because it was done in a way to look like the cases were going down, not up, down, up and more down... but on a consistent downward trajectory.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Not sure what else there is to say.

Me either, I don't see it.

[Astray]

Fever broke last night but not before making me sweat so much I had to wake up and clear my bed. I sweat so hard it was running down the sides of my mattress.

Other than that, I'm feeling great. Suck my dick, Chinese Coof.

[Solkern]

Fever broke last night but not before making me sweat so much I had to wake up and clear my bed. I sweat so hard it was running down the sides of my mattress.

Other than that, I'm feeling great. Suck my dick, Chinese Coof.

Glad you’re feeling better! Keep resting till you are fully over it!

[Jeril]

Fever broke last night but not before making me sweat so much I had to wake up and clear my bed. I sweat so hard it was running down the sides of my mattress.

Other than that, I'm feeling great. Suck my dick, Chinese Coof.

That sounds similar to a cold I had back around the first week of February. Glad you are over it!

[Astray]

Keep resting till you are fully over it!

Once that 72 hour period of no symptoms goes off, I'm back to work. I got shit to do and money to make.

[Seran]

Any indications yet of raising federal minimum wage standards? I have to believe a lot of this "pay more to not work" has a target. I do not believe it is anything that has been discussed so far, I think it is fodder for the "pay more to the people" to the businesses. Is not $600 a month for however long about the same as a $4.25 or so an hour raise for most over 35-hour employees?

Business owners and the majority of the Republican party feels that any increase to the minimum wage would cause the world to end.

[Neveragain]

Once that 72 hour period of no symptoms goes off, I'm back to work. I got shit to do and money to make.

Out of curiosity, do you know what your blood type is?

[Tgo01]

They ordered them to stay open, to reopen the closed ones and

"The order, which was developed in consultation with industry leaders including Tyson and Smithfield, is designed, in part, to provide companies with additional liability protections in case workers get sick.

Trump on Tuesday said the order would address what he described as a “legal roadblock.” It will “solve any liability problems where they had certain liability problems and we’ll be in very good shape.”

Not sure what else there is to say.

Pretty disgusting how you operate. You see a story about how Cuomo was sending infected patients to nursing homes when you and he know full well those are the most vulnerable people, and all you can do is latch onto the suing part of the story and say “yeah but McConnell! But Trump!”

I get it, you hate Trump, it’s sort of your persona around here now, but your hatred has turned you into a rather unfeeling monster.

[Solkern]

Out of curiosity, do you know what your blood type is?

I heard certain bloods types do a lot better than others.. I’m also interested as well.
I’m O-

[ClydeR]

Fever broke last night but not before making me sweat so much I had to wake up and clear my bed.


Did you try hydroxychloroquine?

[Some Rogue]

and now the families have no one to sue for negligence.....
all you can do is latch onto the suing part of the story

THAT WAS YOUR MAIN FUCKING POINT.
No. I just hate your gaslighting small minded retardation. Go take some hydrochloroquine like Dear Leader and maybe we can get a two for one deal.

[Tgo01]

THAT WAS YOUR MAIN FUCKING POINT.

I'm pretty sure...wait let go back and check...yup, 100% positive my main fucking point was Cuomo FORCING NURSING HOMES TO ACCEPT INFECTED PATIENTS.

So if you have some comparison with Trump or McConnell or some other Republican literally forcing home owners to accept infected patients into their homes (because in case you forgot people live in nursing HOMES) then I would love to read the article.

Shit, I'm in a good mood, I'll meet you half way with your retarded shit: show me an article where Trump, McConnell, blah blah blah, forces someone to go to work while they are infected. Because I'm pretty sure Trump et al have been upfront from the beginning that they want people to be safe and this includes people self isolating if they are infected.


No. I just hate your gaslighting small minded retardation.

Your projection is one for the ages.

Tgo01: OMG! Cuomo is a monster for forcing nursing homes to accept infected patients!!
Some Rogue: Yeah but Trump and McConnell ALSO want to shield companies from being sued!!!
Tgo01: Wait...what? I'm talking about nursing homes being forced to accept infected patients.
Some Rogue: NOOO!!!1!1!! Your main point was the lawsuits!!!1!11!1!!

[Solkern]

That's disgusting too. Force nursing homes to accept Wuhan virus positive patients, get everyone at the home sick, they all die, and now the families have no one to sue for negligence. It's just amazing this isn't being reported as a huge scandal, instead on CNN Cuomo's brother interviews him to talk about if he plans to start dating more now.

Pretty sure you had two points.
One nursing homes being forced to take patients.
Second point. They won’t have anyone to sue for negligence

Which kind of go hand it hand.
Some rogue was trying to show you that trump and the republicans want to make it so businesses can’t be sued for anything coronavirus related.

Which puts your second point in the shitter, which was your supporting argument for your first point.

[Tgo01]

Pretty sure you had two points.
One nursing homes being forced to take patients.
Second point. They won’t have anyone to sue for negligence

Which kind of go hand it hand.
Some rogue was trying to show you that trump and the republicans want to make it so businesses can’t be sued for anything coronavirus related.

Which puts your second point in the shitter, which was your supporting fact for your first point.

No they don't go hand in hand. There is a vast difference between "We want businesses to reopen but we don't want them to be sued into non-existence if someone does end up getting sick at their business" and "Okay! Send all infected patients to nursing homes! And we better cover our asses here and make it so no one can be sued for this!"

I really don't understand how you two are missing this obvious point.

Just point me to the story where Trump or McConnell forced a business to accept infected people into their place of business. Just one article.

[RichardCranium]

I heard certain bloods types do a lot better than others.. I’m also interested as well.
I’m O-

I'm A+; the most susceptible to the virus.

[Solkern]

No they don't go hand in hand. There is a vast difference between "We want businesses to reopen but we don't want them to be sued into non-existence if someone does end up getting sick at their business" and "Okay! Send all infected patients to nursing homes! And we better cover our asses here and make it so no one can be sued for this!"

I really don't understand how you two are missing this obvious point.

Just point me to the story where Trump or McConnell forced a business to accept infected people into their place of business. Just one article.

No, your points go hand it hand, that’s how you worded it.

[Tgo01]

No, your points go hand it hand, that’s how you worded it.

Yes, Cuomo forces nursing homes to accept infected patients, then covered everyone's ass by saying no one could be sued for this decision.

So show me where Trump forced businesses to accept infected patients into their business then covered everyone's ass by saying no one could be sued.

Just one article. Just one.

[Solkern]

Yes, Cuomo forces nursing homes to accept infected patients, then covered everyone's ass by saying no one could be sued for this decision.

So show me where Trump forced businesses to accept infected patients into their business then covered everyone's ass by saying no one could be sued.

Just one article. Just one.

First of all, Cuomo can’t force people not to sue. It was in a legislation that was voted on and passed.
It also wasn’t focused on just nursing homes, it included hospitals and other healthcare facilities.

And also: New York is one of at least 15 states that have granted some form of legal protection to nursing homes and other health care facilities since the beginning of the pandemic. This immunity does not cover willful or criminal misconduct or gross negligence. But it would most likely cover harm that arose from a shortage in staffing or protective equipment.

Trump and the republicans, namely McConnell, want in the next package that prevents all companies/businesses for being sued from anything coronavirus related.

[Solkern]

Yes, Cuomo forces nursing homes to accept infected patients, then covered everyone's ass by saying no one could be sued for this decision.

So show me where Trump forced businesses to accept infected patients into their business then covered everyone's ass by saying no one could be sued.

Just one article. Just one.



Alabama, Arizona, Connecticut, Georgia, Illinois, Kentucky, Massachusetts, Michigan, Mississippi, New Jersey, New York, Nevada, Rhode Island, Vermont and Wisconsin

These states also have Similar measures as New York, and to me it looks like quite a few of them are republican run states, so why aren’t you jumping on them like you’re jumping on New York and Cuomo?

Seems to me, when the democrats do something wrong in your opinion... it’s awful, horrible, terrible and the end of the world! But when many republicans run states do the SAME THING. you never mention that fact, you ignore it, or come up with an excuse on why they can do it, but blue states can’t.

[~Rocktar~]

Business owners and the majority of the Republican party feels that any increase to the minimum wage would cause the world to end.

No they don't, they just rightly assume arbitrary wage increases drive inflation and job loss. Pre-Covid Seattle proved it to any rational thinker yet Leftists continue to yell about minimum wage.

[~Rocktar~]

Alabama, Arizona, Connecticut, Georgia, Illinois, Kentucky, Massachusetts, Michigan, Mississippi, New Jersey, New York, Nevada, Rhode Island, Vermont and Wisconsin

These states also have Similar measures as New York, and to me it looks like quite a few of them are republican run states, so why aren’t you jumping on them like you’re jumping on New York and Cuomo?

Seems to me, when the democrats do something wrong in your opinion... it’s awful, horrible, terrible and the end of the world! But when many republicans run states do the SAME THING. you never mention that fact, you ignore it, or come up with an excuse on why they can do it, but blue states can’t.

I have a hunch, correct me if I am wrong, but maybe, just maybe it's because nowhere else other than New York gave orders to force nursing homes to accept sick patients? That could have something to to with it but again, I could be wrong. The fucking piece of shit ordered them to stack and pack sick patients in where they had no ability to contain the virus against the wishes of the owners, inhabitants and probably families.

Doing so caused a clear and dramatic spike in the numbers of deaths.

Is this too complicated for you to follow? Am I going too fast?

And then the fucking piece of shit is now trying to tap dance around the issue with lies and distractions and then proclaims that no one can be sued so who cares. Kind of like Hillary's "What does it matter?" It's a sack of human shaped shit finally admitting that they willfully and with forethought gave orders that got people killed who didn't volunteer and where those orders were completely unnecessary.

Does that clear it up for you all?

[Solkern]

I have a hunch, correct me if I am wrong, but maybe, just maybe it's because nowhere else other than New York gave orders to force nursing homes to accept sick patients? That could have something to to with it but again, I could be wrong. The fucking piece of shit ordered them to stack and pack sick patients in where they had no ability to contain the virus against the wishes of the owners, inhabitants and probably families.

Doing so caused a clear and dramatic spike in the numbers of deaths.

Is this too complicated for you to follow? Am I going too fast?

And then the fucking piece of shit is now trying to tap dance around the issue with lies and distractions and then proclaims that no one can be sued so who cares. Kind of like Hillary's "What does it matter?" It's a sack of human shaped shit finally admitting that they willfully and with forethought gave orders that got people killed who didn't volunteer and where those orders were completely unnecessary.

Does that clear it up for you all?

I’m fully aware of that, but do you think the other states, I listed... would have done it differently if they were in the same situation as New York? My hunch is, it would be just as bad.

[Tgo01]

First of all, Cuomo can’t force people not to sue. It was in a legislation that was voted on and passed.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/13/nyregion/nursing-homes-coronavirus-new-york.html


In the chaotic days of late March, as it became clear that New York was facing a catastrophic outbreak of the coronavirus, aides to Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo quietly inserted a provision on Page 347 of New York’s final, voluminous budget bill.

Many lawmakers were unaware of the language when they approved the budget a few days later. But it provided unusual legal protections for an influential industry that has been devastated by the crisis: nursing home operators.

Let's not pretend Cuomo was completely blindsided by this.


It also wasn’t focused on just nursing homes, it included hospitals and other healthcare facilities.

Oh, well, that's okay then. Scandal gone!


Trump and the republicans, namely McConnell, want in the next package that prevents all companies/businesses for being sued from anything coronavirus related.

You are literally just rehashing what we have already discussed at this point because you so badly want this to be a comparable event, but it's not.

[Tgo01]

Alabama, Arizona, Connecticut, Georgia, Illinois, Kentucky, Massachusetts, Michigan, Mississippi, New Jersey, New York, Nevada, Rhode Island, Vermont and Wisconsin

They literally told nursing homes they had to accept infected patients? If that's the case I have to wonder why NY has so many more nursing home deaths than all of those.

[Tgo01]

I’m fully aware of that, but do you think the other states, I listed... would have done it differently if they were in the same situation as New York? My hunch is, it would be just as bad.

Now you want us to consult the "What if?" machine to determine if other states would have done as piss poor of a job as NY?

You're just taking for granted that NY was fucked no matter what they did and won't even consider for a moment that maybe the failure of the leadership in NY is WHY they did so poorly.

It's not totally the leadership's fault either, the media has played a huge role in this by giving NY a huge fucking pass.

Remember all of those articles, videos, and images of those mean doody heads in Florida going to the beach? Remember how no one was giving NYC shit for their subways STILL RUNNING to this fucking day?

Let's see what's worse...people going to the beach in the outside open air under the full heat of the sun...or people packed into tiny subway cars so close to one another that they can feel the infected breath of the person behind them on their neck?

The media is complicit in this shit and you are too busy saying "Yeah but Trump..."

[Astray]

Out of curiosity, do you know what your blood type is?

A-

[Astray]

Did you try hydroxychloroquine?

Tried your moms ass first.

[Solkern]

They literally told nursing homes they had to accept infected patients? If that's the case I have to wonder why NY has so many more nursing home deaths than all of those.

Because New York is a cesspool of travel and tourism, and the density of the population.

[Tgo01]

Because New York is a cesspool of travel and tourism, and the density of the population.

Florida and California are hotspots for travel and tourism too, I'm pretty sure they are even bigger tourist destinations.

[Neveragain]

A-

Interesting, I wonder if there's something really to blood type and severity.

O-

[Solkern]

Florida and California are hotspots for travel and tourism too, I'm pretty sure they are even bigger tourist destinations.

No, they don’t get as much tourism as New York, and LA, SF, and various cities in Florida aren’t as densely populated as New York City.

New York City gets almost double the amount of international tourism as Miami, and more than double that of LA.
Not to mention LA, Miami and far more spread out than NYC. Which is a major cause for the incredible amount of cases in NY

[Tgo01]

No, they don’t get as much tourism as New York, and LA, SF, and various cities in Florida aren’t as densely populated as New York City.

New York City gets almost double the amount of international tourism as Miami, and more than double that of LA.
Not to mention LA, Miami and far more spread out than NYC. Which is a major cause for the incredible amount of cases in NY

I almost let you get away with this deflection shit, I'm slipping. What exactly is your point anyways? That yes NY was fucked no matter what they did because of tourism and it couldn't possibly be a failure on the leadership of NY?

That tourism somehow forced Cuomo's hand in forcing nursing homes to accept infected patients?

[Solkern]

I almost let you get away with this deflection shit, I'm slipping. What exactly is your point anyways? That yes NY was fucked no matter what they did because of tourism and it couldn't possibly be a failure on the leadership of NY?

That tourism somehow forced Cuomo's hand in forcing nursing homes to accept infected patients?


Their hospitals were overrun, he probably thought he had no choice as nursing homes also do have medical facilities, do they not? I’m not justifying what he did, or agreeing with him. But I can at least understand why he did it.

[Solkern]

Interesting, I wonder if there's something really to blood type and severity.

O-

There has been a few studies coming out of China (LOL) other than that, it really hasn’t been looked into.

[Tgo01]

Their hospitals were overrun he probably thought he had no choice as nursing homes also do have medical facilities, do they not?

They sure as shit don't have ERs, ventilators, or ICU beds. Really nursing homes are just places with people to live that have nurses on hand and simple medical devices like oxygen. I don't think most nursing homes even have doctors working at the place, rather they have a doctor they can call for emergencies and they come around like once a week/month to check up on patients.

Also Cuomo had the emergency hospitals that the federal government set up. Or maybe these patients could have stayed at the hospitals, away from non-infected old people, or maybe Cuomo himself could have set up emergency quarantine places for these people like other states where they rented out hotel rooms or something for infected people.


I’m not justifying what he did, or agreeing with him. But I can at least understand why he did it.

He has no justification. I think his justification at the time was it was unfair to stigmatize people with an infectious disease. Like the fuck? Really?

[Solkern]

They sure as shit don't have ERs, ventilators, or ICU beds. Really nursing homes are just places with people to live that have nurses on hand and simple medical devices like oxygen. I don't think most nursing homes even have doctors working at the place, rather they have a doctor they can call for emergencies and they come around like once a week/month to check up on patients.

Also Cuomo had the emergency hospitals that the federal government set up. Or maybe these patients could have stayed at the hospitals, away from non-infected old people, or maybe Cuomo himself could have set up emergency quarantine places for these people like other states where they rented out hotel rooms or something for infected people.



He has no justification. I think his justification at the time was it was unfair to stigmatize people with an infectious disease. Like the fuck? Really?

I think the main issue was the lack of beds. Doctors and ventilators can brought in.
The USNS comfort was strictly for non-coronavirus patients, if I remember correctly.
Makeshift hospitals that were made in New York, not sure if they were built in time or not, or maybe they were also filled.

[~Rocktar~]

I’m fully aware of that, but do you think the other states, I listed... would have done it differently if they were in the same situation as New York? My hunch is, it would be just as bad.

Your hunch is deeply flawed. NYC is a unique cesspool of humanity, tourism and international travel. Those other states are not as tightly packed, not so retarded as to have a big PR campaign to go out and hug an Asian in order to not appear racist and no other person was fucking arrogant enough and so filled with hubris as to order nursing homes to take sick patients despite hospitals being underutilized. So no, I don't think it would be the same because NYC is a unique case of environmental factors meeting SJW bullshit that places feelings over facts from the get go.

[Tgo01]

I think the main issue was the lack of beds. Doctors and ventilators can brought in.
The USNS comfort was strictly for non-coronavirus patients, if I remember correctly.
Makeshift hospitals that were made in New York, not sure if they were built in time or not, or maybe they were also filled.

They were built in time and they were never even close to at capacity.

And yes, doctors and ventilators can be brought in anywhere, like maybe a hotel where each patient can have their own room.

[~Rocktar~]

I think the main issue was the lack of beds. Doctors and ventilators can brought in.
The USNS comfort was strictly for non-coronavirus patients, if I remember correctly.
Makeshift hospitals that were made in New York, not sure if they were built in time or not, or maybe they were also filled.

Ship, military field hospitals, temp hospitals, all underutilized or simply unneeded due to the fact the disease isn't nearly as bad as the lies present. They were so unneeded that the piece of shit LGBTQABCLMNOP community, through social justice warrioring bullshit ran Samaritan's Purse out of town after they came to set up a field hospital in Central Park.

Now I don't care how you feel about Samaritan's Purse as a religious outreach but I can tell you, living near Chattanooga, TN where a tornado came through and just wiped away loads of homes and crushed an entire community, those people showed up in just a day or 2 with food, tents, supplies and help for people and all they asked was "How can we help". I am sure they had some prayers and so on, but in general, they stepped up as well as the Red Cross and local/federal disaster relief.

So no, in NYC, lack of beds wasn't an issue, other places in NY, maybe, NYC had plenty and they are still whining. And now they are whining about money even though the mayors wife has blown nearly a billion dollars on a diversity boondoggle and they pay their homeless to move elsewhere and live in other places on NYC welfare.

[Solkern]

Ship, military field hospitals, temp hospitals, all underutilized or simply unneeded due to the fact the disease isn't nearly as bad as the lies present. They were so unneeded that the piece of shit LGBTQABCLMNOP community, through social justice warrioring bullshit ran Samaritan's Purse out of town after they came to set up a field hospital in Central Park.

Now I don't care how you feel about Samaritan's Purse as a religious outreach but I can tell you, living near Chattanooga, TN where a tornado came through and just wiped away loads of homes and crushed an entire community, those people showed up in just a day or 2 with food, tents, supplies and help for people and all they asked was "How can we help". I am sure they had some prayers and so on, but in general, they stepped up as well as the Red Cross and local/federal disaster relief.

So no, in NYC, lack of beds wasn't an issue, other places in NY, maybe, NYC had plenty and they are still whining. And now they are whining about money even though the mayors wife has blown nearly a billion dollars on a diversity boondoggle and they pay their homeless to move elsewhere and live in other places on NYC welfare.

Gotcha, I didn’t really read up on the situation in NY, I was just guessing based on Cuomo wanting to use nursing homes.

[Solkern]

They were built in time and they were never even close to at capacity.

And yes, doctors and ventilators can be brought in anywhere, like maybe a hotel where each patient can have their own room.

But like you said, nursing homes already have nurses there that can help treat those with mild cases... I’m assuming. Hotels don’t. But I dunno, Cuomo was stupid for using nursing homes either way.

[Tgo01]

But like you said, nursing homes already have nurses there that can help treat those with mild cases... I’m assuming. Hotels don’t. But I dunno, Cuomo was stupid for using nursing homes either way.

I'm sure NY can scrape together a few bucks to hire nurses for patients at hotel rooms.

I'm just saying NY had a lot more options other than sending infected patients back to nursing homes. If this were a Republican governor it would have headline news for months. But it's a Democrat so he's being lauded as a great leader and the next president.

[Candor]

I think the main issue was the lack of beds. Doctors and ventilators can brought in.
The USNS comfort was strictly for non-coronavirus patients, if I remember correctly.
Makeshift hospitals that were made in New York, not sure if they were built in time or not, or maybe they were also filled.

The USNS Comfort had both personnel and patients who tested positive for COV19 and had a separate area for those infected. However I don't believe COV19 treatment was it's primary mission in New York - that was to provide ICU care for those not affected by COV19.

The Comfort has the capability to treat 1000 patients at a time. Over the course of three and a half weeks, it treated a total of 182 patients - far below capacity.

[Tgo01]

Wisconsin governor says he's giving up on pushing for new coronavirus restrictions because GOP won't allow it (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/wisconsin-governor-giving-up-coronavirus-restrictions-push-republicans)

"They won't let me be king and make laws all on my own! It's not fair!!111"

[Fortybox]

Gotcha, I didn’t really read anything and I'm completely uninformed yet that doesn't stop me from saying stupid things on the PC.

It's ok, we know.

[Parkbandit]

Business owners and the majority of the Republican party feels that any increase to the minimum wage would cause the world to end.

Artificially inflating the minimum wage does nothing except raise prices for everything... making the raise in the minimum wage as meaningless as your education.

[Parkbandit]

No, they don’t get as much tourism as New York

Source?

[Parkbandit]

Gotcha, I didn’t really read up on the situation in NY, I was just guessing based on Cuomo wanting to use nursing homes.

LOL.. so you are just assuming you know shit but didn't really read up on it.

https://media.giphy.com/media/YcMs3OGd89Pxu/giphy.gif

To be fair.. I read all your posts knowing you are just pulling shit out of your ass.

[Tgo01]

Cuomo's coverup of his murder of nursing home residents is crazier than we thought.

https://dailycaller.com/2020/05/19/andrew-cuomo-coronavirus-new-york-undercounting-nursing-home-fatalities-timeline/

NY stopped counting nursing home deaths as nursing home deaths unless they actually died at the nursing home. In other words if a nursing home resident got infected because of Cuomo's orders, then was taken to a hospital and died just a few minutes after arriving at the hospital then the death was counted as a "hospital" death instead of a "nursing home resident" death.

This also explains why other states and other countries report that around half of their death totals are from nursing home residents and why NY state only has a 20% or 30% death rate in nursing homes.

Honestly how is Cuomo getting away with this? This is a huge fucking scandal, a gajillion times worse than any of this bullshit Democrats have been trying to pin on Trump in regards to this virus.

Oh, right, Cuomo is a Democrat and his brother works for CNN. How silly of me.

[Solkern]

Source?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_by_international_visitors

[Solkern]

The USNS Comfort had both personnel and patients who tested positive for COV19 and had a separate area for those infected. However I don't believe COV19 treatment was it's primary mission in New York - that was to provide ICU care for those not affected by COV19.

The Comfort has the capability to treat 1000 patients at a time. Over the course of three and a half weeks, it treated a total of 182 patients - far below capacity.


https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/04/coronavirus-patients-spend-night-on-navy-hospital-ship-meant-for-non-infected-new-york-patients.html

[Solkern]

LOL.. so you are just assuming you know shit but didn't really read up on it.

https://media.giphy.com/media/YcMs3OGd89Pxu/giphy.gif

To be fair.. I read all your posts knowing you are just pulling shit out of your ass.

Just like Trump didn’t really mean when he said, he wants to inject people with disinfect to cure coronavirus. And you defending him, by pulling non sense out of your ass?

Nah difference is, I form a logical thought process, I didn’t read up on it in depth, because I don’t need others to read the news for me. It is also difficult to find non-partisan news sources, that don’t feed you left wing or right wing bullshit. I like to ask people here for their views on it. And to form my own opinion from people, not shitty news sources and discuss it with people here, and my opinion or view can change.

For example: Cuomo using nursing homes, for coronavirus patients. What’s the logical reasoning for that? It would be that the hospitals are full, and he has no place to put them, and he needs a place that already has some medical supplies and staff. Left wing media will paint Cuomo as a fucking hero. Coming here, i now understand that he was an idiot for doing it, and he had other viable choices, and that the hospitals weren’t full.

No matter what you read, or the news information you get, Trump and the republicans can do no wrong. I don’t think I’ve ever read once that you think They’ve fucked up or made a mistake. Trump is perfect in your eyes. And the democrats always Fuck up, no matter what they do.

I’m a Democrat, I’m a liberal (just not in the sense of the retard AOC or Bernie) I come here, cause most of my family, and most of my friends are blind Democrat followers and anti-Trumpers, and can’t really discuss politics with them. I have no problem admitting when my party just fucks up, or giving trump and the republicans their due for the good things they’ve done. Sadly you can’t do the same. I don’t follow party lines blindly like you.

I’m also 99% sure if Trump ran and won as a Democrat(which he was before) you would be shitting on him 24/7. Not blindly supporting him, like you do now.

[Parkbandit]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_by_international_visitors

Oh, so you meant to say "foreign" tourism.. which is a small segment of actual tourism.

[Solkern]

Oh, so you meant to say "foreign" tourism.. which is a small segment of actual tourism.


Thought I said international tourism, might have only wrote it in the second paragraph, not both. But because this virus came from overseas, it is what I meant.

Sources I can find give different statistics regarding all tourism.
This one states New York gets the most. Another says Orlando.
https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/the-most-visited-cities-in-the-us.html

https://www.globenewswire.com/news-release/2019/05/10/1821626/0/en/Orlando-Announces-Record-75-Million-Visitors-Solidifies-Ranking-as-No-1-U-S-Travel-Destination.html

[Gelston]

The USNS Comfort had both personnel and patients who tested positive for COV19 and had a separate area for those infected. However I don't believe COV19 treatment was it's primary mission in New York - that was to provide ICU care for those not affected by COV19.

The Comfort has the capability to treat 1000 patients at a time. Over the course of three and a half weeks, it treated a total of 182 patients - far below capacity.

It was strictly for non-COVID patients to free up room in the hospitals. People with COVID did end up aboard, by accident.

[Ashlander]

It was strictly for non-COVID patients to free up room in the hospitals. People with COVID did end up aboard, by accident.

Accident accident or I have dirt on the Clinton's and I was murdered in a botched robbery type accident?

[Gelston]

Accident accident or I have dirt on the Clinton's and I was murdered in a botched robbery type accident?

Incompetence accident.

[Methais]

Fever broke last night but not before making me sweat so much I had to wake up and clear my bed. I sweat so hard it was running down the sides of my mattress.

Other than that, I'm feeling great. Suck my dick, Chinese Coof.

You should try and get some free Simucoins out of this.

"I had Coronavirus but Simucoins saved my life!"

It doesn't have to make sense, because Simu.

[Methais]

Business owners and the majority of the Republican party feels that any increase to the minimum wage would cause the world to end.

Are you opposed to making minimum wage $1,000,000 per hour? Why or why not?

[Methais]

This immunity does not cover willful or criminal misconduct or gross negligence. But it would most likely cover harm that arose from a shortage in staffing or protective equipment.

Would you consider forcing nursing homes, where the most vulnerable of the vulnereable are, to take in infected COVID patients, as "criminal misconduct" or "gross negligence?"

[Methais]

It's a sack of human shaped shit finally admitting that they willfully and with forethought gave orders that got people killed who didn't volunteer and where those orders were completely unnecessary.

Does that clear it up for you all?

Just for clarification, do you mean shit that's shaped like an entire human body? Or shit that looks like it came out of a human? Asking for Wrathbringer.

[Solkern]

Would you consider forcing nursing homes, where the most vulnerable of the vulnereable are, to take in infected COVID patients, as "criminal misconduct" or "gross negligence?"

Of course I would. What I posted, was from the governors office.

[Methais]

No, they don’t get as much tourism as New York, and LA, SF, and various cities in Florida aren’t as densely populated as New York City.

New York City gets almost double the amount of international tourism as Miami, and more than double that of LA.
Not to mention LA, Miami and far more spread out than NYC. Which is a major cause for the incredible amount of cases in NY

I bet Florida has more old people though.

Which is balanced out by Florida Man.

[Methais]

Just like Trump didn’t really mean when he said, he wants to inject people with disinfect to cure coronavirus. And you defending him, by pulling non sense out of your ass?

Nah difference is, I form a logical thought process, I didn’t read up on it in depth, because I don’t need others to read the news for me. It is also difficult to find non-partisan news sources, that don’t feed you left wing or right wing bullshit. I like to ask people here for their views on it. And to form my own opinion from people, not shitty news sources and discuss it with people here, and my opinion or view can change.

Have you considered just watching the raw unedited video from the press conference where he said it, instead of looking for a news story and asking what everyone else thinks about it first?

[Methais]

Accident accident or I have dirt on the Clinton's and I was murdered in a botched robbery type accident?

Accident as in government fucks up everything they touch or try to do.

[Solkern]

Have you considered just watching the raw unedited video from the press conference where he said it, instead of looking for a news story and asking what everyone else thinks about it first?


"So I asked Bill a question some of you are thinking of if you're into that world, which I find to be pretty interesting. So, supposing we hit the body with a tremendous, whether its ultraviolet or just very powerful light, and I think you said, that hasn't been checked but you're gonna test it. And then I said, supposing it brought the light inside the body, which you can either do either through the skin or some other way, and I think you said you're gonna test that too, sounds interesting. And I then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in one minute, and is there a way you can do something like that by injection inside, or almost a cleaning. Because you see it gets in the lungs, and it does a tremendous number on the lungs. So it'd be interesting to check that. So you're going to have to use medical doctors, but it sounds interesting to me, so we'll see. But the whole concept of the light, the way it goes in one minute, that's pretty powerful."

So this is his unedited transcript of what he said. He has TWO separate ideas here, UV light, and Disinfectant. the first half is ONLY referring to UV light, and the second is ONLY referring to disinfectant, minus his closing statement on this which he refers back to his main idea. as he uses the proper English uses (AND THEN,(separable or unseparable forms, have the same meaning)) to show that change, of idea, thought, subject or point.
I won’t mention that he later said he was being sarcastic in what he said, which verifies that he said what he said.

So, lets look at this part.
"So I asked Bill a question some of you are thinking of if you're into that world, which I find to be pretty interesting. So, supposing we hit the body with a tremendous, whether its ultraviolet or just very powerful light, and I think you said, that hasn't been checked but you're gonna test it. And then I said, supposing it brought the light inside the body, which you can either do either through the skin or some other way, and I think you said you're gonna test that too, sounds interesting.

This type of medical procedure is already done with various illnesses already

And this part
And I then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in one minute, and is there a way you can do something like that by injection inside, or almost a cleaning. Because you see it gets in the lungs, and it does a tremendous number on the lungs. So it'd be interesting to check that. So you're going to have to use medical doctors, but it sounds interesting to me, so we'll see. But the whole concept of the light, the way it goes in one minute, that's pretty powerful."


They key word is “that” in “is there a way you can do something like THAT by injection inside.” That does NOT refer to the ultraviolet light idea, “that” refers to the last or previous statement, noun or idea. In this case “disinfectant.”
I’m sure I don’t need to give you the English uses of the word “that” as it’s pretty well understood.

Also, he mentions “Cleaning”. You never use the word cleaning to refer to help with medical conditions such as UV treatment, you use the word treat, cure, or kill.

For example: Light therapy and phototherapy treatments involve the use of specific wavelengths of light to treat many medical conditions including mood disorders; skin disorders such as psoriasis, eczema, vitiligo, and acne; sleep disorders; wound healing; and photodynamic therapy.

But you use cleaning in line with disinfectant. You need to clean your floors with disinfectant/Clorox/bleach.
Next, It’s well touted that Clorox or other disinfectants, or bleach can kill viruses in a minute by the companies themselves. UV therapy has never been touted to being able to do this.
His last sentence, I’m guessing is what you are trying to refer to, the problem is the word “BUT”
The word BUT negates or cancels everything that goes before it. And is generally accepted as a signal that the really important part of the sentence is coming up. When you use it most people listening to you will give more attention and more weight to what you say after you say BUT”
But is also used to show a pause or change of idea, subjects or to move on.

his word "But" shows that what ever follows that word, has no connection to to what he previously said, because his topic has changed from Disinfectant(Prior to but), to UV light)After the using "but".

Anyways, this is what I referred to many many post ago, Trump likes to talk without thinking, after he said what he said, he understood exactly what he said, and how he fucked up, and tried to back track to the UV light.

Trump simply fucked up with his words, went on one of his off script talks. No matter how you swing it, Trump fucked up. That’s it. He shouldn’t have said what he said.
I know 100% he doesn't want people to drink disinfectant, that's just stupid anti-trumpers trying to blow things up. He simply made a mistake like all people do.

[Jeril]

"So I asked Bill a question some of you are thinking of if you're into that world, which I find to be pretty interesting. So, supposing we hit the body with a tremendous, whether its ultraviolet or just very powerful light, and I think you said, that hasn't been checked but you're gonna test it. And then I said, supposing it brought the light inside the body, which you can either do either through the skin or some other way, and I think you said you're gonna test that too, sounds interesting. And I then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in one minute, and is there a way you can do something like that by injection inside, or almost a cleaning. Because you see it gets in the lungs, and it does a tremendous number on the lungs. So it'd be interesting to check that. So you're going to have to use medical doctors, but it sounds interesting to me, so we'll see. But the whole concept of the light, the way it goes in one minute, that's pretty powerful."

So this is his unedited transcript of what he said. He has TWO separate ideas here, UV light, and Disinfectant. the first half is ONLY referring to UV light, and the second is ONLY referring to disinfectant, minus his closing statement on this which he refers back to his main idea. as he uses the proper English uses (AND THEN,(separable or unseparable forms, have the same meaning)) to show that change, of idea, thought, subject or point.
I won’t mention that he later said he was being sarcastic in what he said, which verifies that he said what he said.

So, lets look at this part.
"So I asked Bill a question some of you are thinking of if you're into that world, which I find to be pretty interesting. So, supposing we hit the body with a tremendous, whether its ultraviolet or just very powerful light, and I think you said, that hasn't been checked but you're gonna test it. And then I said, supposing it brought the light inside the body, which you can either do either through the skin or some other way, and I think you said you're gonna test that too, sounds interesting.

This type of medical procedure is already done with various illnesses already

And this part
And I then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in one minute, and is there a way you can do something like that by injection inside, or almost a cleaning. Because you see it gets in the lungs, and it does a tremendous number on the lungs. So it'd be interesting to check that. So you're going to have to use medical doctors, but it sounds interesting to me, so we'll see. But the whole concept of the light, the way it goes in one minute, that's pretty powerful."


They key word is “that” in “is there a way you can do something like THAT by injection inside.” That does NOT refer to the ultraviolet light idea, “that” refers to the last or previous statement, noun or idea. In this case “disinfectant.”
I’m sure I don’t need to give you the English uses of the word “that” as it’s pretty well understood.

Also, he mentions “Cleaning”. You never use the word cleaning to refer to help with medical conditions such as UV treatment, you use the word treat, cure, or kill.

For example: Light therapy and phototherapy treatments involve the use of specific wavelengths of light to treat many medical conditions including mood disorders; skin disorders such as psoriasis, eczema, vitiligo, and acne; sleep disorders; wound healing; and photodynamic therapy.

But you use cleaning in line with disinfectant. You need to clean your floors with disinfectant/Clorox/bleach.
Next, It’s well touted that Clorox or other disinfectants, or bleach can kill viruses in a minute by the companies themselves. UV therapy has never been touted to being able to do this.
His last sentence, I’m guessing is what you are trying to refer to, the problem is the word “BUT”
The word BUT negates or cancels everything that goes before it. And is generally accepted as a signal that the really important part of the sentence is coming up. When you use it most people listening to you will give more attention and more weight to what you say after you say BUT”
But is also used to show a pause or change of idea, subjects or to move on.

his word "But" shows that what ever follows that word, has no connection to to what he previously said, because his topic has changed from Disinfectant(Prior to but), to UV light)After the using "but".

Anyways, this is what I referred to many many post ago, Trump likes to talk without thinking, after he said what he said, he understood exactly what he said, and how he fucked up, and tried to back track to the UV light.

Trump simply fucked up with his words, went on one of his off script talks. No matter how you swing it, Trump fucked up. That’s it. He shouldn’t have said what he said.
I know 100% he doesn't want people to drink disinfectant, that's just stupid anti-trumpers trying to blow things up. He simply made a mistake like all people do.

Why do your whole analytics of what he said if you gloss over likely the most important part of it?

"And I then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in one minute, and is there a way you can do something like that by injection inside, or almost a cleaning."

Do those bolded words just confuse you or something?

[Parkbandit]

Just like Trump didn’t really mean when he said, he wants to inject people with disinfect to cure coronavirus. And you defending him, by pulling non sense out of your ass?

Nah difference is, I form a logical thought process, I didn’t read up on it in depth, because I don’t need others to read the news for me. It is also difficult to find non-partisan news sources, that don’t feed you left wing or right wing bullshit. I like to ask people here for their views on it. And to form my own opinion from people, not shitty news sources and discuss it with people here, and my opinion or view can change.

For example: Cuomo using nursing homes, for coronavirus patients. What’s the logical reasoning for that? It would be that the hospitals are full, and he has no place to put them, and he needs a place that already has some medical supplies and staff. Left wing media will paint Cuomo as a fucking hero. Coming here, i now understand that he was an idiot for doing it, and he had other viable choices, and that the hospitals weren’t full.

No matter what you read, or the news information you get, Trump and the republicans can do no wrong. I don’t think I’ve ever read once that you think They’ve fucked up or made a mistake. Trump is perfect in your eyes. And the democrats always Fuck up, no matter what they do.

I’m a Democrat, I’m a liberal (just not in the sense of the retard AOC or Bernie) I come here, cause most of my family, and most of my friends are blind Democrat followers and anti-Trumpers, and can’t really discuss politics with them. I have no problem admitting when my party just fucks up, or giving trump and the republicans their due for the good things they’ve done. Sadly you can’t do the same. I don’t follow party lines blindly like you.

I’m also 99% sure if Trump ran and won as a Democrat(which he was before) you would be shitting on him 24/7. Not blindly supporting him, like you do now.

Another shining example of you not knowing shit about anything....

Thank you for illustrating my point perfectly.

[Solkern]

Why do your whole analytics of what he said if you gloss over likely the most important part of it?

"And I then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in one minute, and is there a way you can do something like that by injection inside, or almost a cleaning."

Do those bolded words just confuse you or something?

I'm pretty sure I went over that specific part. "That" refers to disinfectant. or are you referring to the "something like"? Which still refers to something similar to disinfectant.
explain how UV light and disinfectant are simliar?
Oh they both can treat Coronavirus? Well I have pain in my foot, I can take some medicine, or cut off my leg, both will serve the same purpose of removing the pain from my foot.

If I say I have pain in my foot, I need advil or something like that. if you didn't have advil, you'd offer tylenol, not cutting off my leg. Sorry to burst your bubble, but cutting off my leg isn't implied with "Something like that"
same goes for UV light and disinfectant. Disinfectant and something like that, doesn't include UV light.

[Solkern]

Another shining example of you not knowing shit about anything....

Thank you for illustrating my point perfectly.

And you're my shining example, and you illustrate my point perfectly as well. Trump is a god to you, never wrong, always right, and you have an excuse for every thing he does.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

And you're my shining example, and you illustrate my point perfectly as well. Trump is a god to you, never wrong, always right, and you have an excuse for every thing he does.

I'm pretty sure you haven't read what he's saying, if you believe that.

[Solkern]

I'm pretty sure you haven't read what he's saying, if you believe that.

Just a bit earlier, he said, something along the lines, I wish trump would just stay on script, read what needs to be read and that's it.
I thought wow, i'm shocked.
a post or a few post later he gives Trump his excuse "Oh he's just trolling like always"

[Neveragain]

I'm pretty sure I went over that specific part. "That" refers to disinfectant. or are you referring to the "something like"? Which still refers to something similar to disinfectant.
explain how UV light and disinfectant are simliar?
Oh they both can treat Coronavirus? Well I have pain in my foot, I can take some medicine, or cut off my leg, both will serve the same purpose of removing the pain from my foot.

I posted the day after he made this statement and provided info and links to disinfectants that are used in both inhalers and in vaccine injections. If you plan on taking a vaccine for covid, if one is found, they will be injecting you with disinfectants along with a treated covid virus.

https://media2.giphy.com/media/qCj1NK1rxtnna/giphy.gif

[Seran]

Why do your whole analytics of what he said if you gloss over likely the most important part of it?

"And I then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in one minute, and is there a way you can do something like that by injection inside, or almost a cleaning."

Do those bolded words just confuse you or something?

So what you're saying is the President is an oratorical retard and we're to believe "something like that" refers to something entirely unrelated to the subject of the sentence, which is injection disinfectants? Come on, this dude is going on and on about taking dangerous and unproven medications and trying to silence anyone who disagrees with his unprofessional medical opinion.

[Solkern]

I posted the day after he made this statement and provided info and links to disinfectants that are used in both inhalers and in vaccine injections. If you plan on taking a vaccine for covid, if one is found, they will be injecting you with disinfectants along with a treated covid virus.

https://media2.giphy.com/media/qCj1NK1rxtnna/giphy.gif


Yup I read it. But injecting a vaccine that contains small amounts of disinfectant, is far different that injecting straight disinfectant.
Which is what he said. He didn’t say let’s make a vaccine with disinfectant and inject it into the body.
I’m looking strictly at the words he said, and didn’t say. I’m not going to assume that he implies other information that he didn’t say, because well he didn’t say it. And who knows if he meant it with, or without a vaccine.
And even after he made the comment and he tried to clear that statement up as being sarcastic, he didn’t mention it there either.

[Jeril]

I'm pretty sure I went over that specific part. "That" refers to disinfectant. or are you referring to the "something like"? Which still refers to something similar to disinfectant.
explain how UV light and disinfectant are simliar?
Oh they both can treat Coronavirus? Well I have pain in my foot, I can take some medicine, or cut off my leg, both will serve the same purpose of removing the pain from my foot.

If I say I have pain in my foot, I need advil or something like that. if you didn't have advil, you'd offer tylenol, not cutting off my leg. Sorry to burst your bubble, but cutting off my leg isn't implied with "Something like that"
same goes for UV light and disinfectant. Disinfectant and something like that, doesn't include UV light.

No, but the something like that, means he was saying something that produced the same effect as the disinfectant but worked on the human body and not some surface. Kind of like how Advil and Tylenol are different chemically but are still both used for the same things. They are similar yet still different. If you can't stop and be rational enough to figure out what he was meaning you are either not very intelligent and should leave the thinking to other people, or you are too busy being butt hurt by the fact that Trump is your president.

And you've completely missed the parts of this discussion where PB has clearly stated he wished Trump would learn to control the things that come out of his mouth better. PB has also expressed other points of dissatisfaction involving Trump as well but maybe that was before you started posting here again so you missed them.

[Jeril]

So what you're saying is the President is an oratorical retard and we're to believe "something like that" refers to something entirely unrelated to the subject of the sentence, which is injection disinfectants? Come on, this dude is going on and on about taking dangerous and unproven medications and trying to silence anyone who disagrees with his unprofessional medical opinion.

Something like that was referring to the effect of the disinfectant on the virus. His words was just him wondering if there was something similar that would work on the human body. Your ability to be blinded by your hate for this man is both sad and amusing all at the same time.

[Solkern]

No, but the something like that, means he was saying something that produced the same effect as the disinfectant but worked on the human body and not some surface. Kind of like how Advil and Tylenol are different chemically but are still both used for the same things. They are similar yet still different. If you can't stop and be rational enough to figure out what he was meaning you are either not very intelligent and should leave the thinking to other people, or you are too busy being butt hurt by the fact that Trump is your president.

And you've completely missed the parts of this discussion where PB has clearly stated he wished Trump would learn to control the things that come out of his mouth better. PB has also expressed other points of dissatisfaction involving Trump as well but maybe that was before you started posting here again so you missed them.


Obviously you don’t quite get it. I’m far from butt hurt that Trump is my president, I approve of quite a lot he’s done, which has benefited me. And I’ve said that multiple times.
And about PB, I’ve already talked about that specific thing you’ve mentioned.
I said I was shocked, then he followed it up a few post later, giving trump his excuse on why it was ok.

And it’s quite possible before I returned he posted things he didn’t approve of, I’m pretty sure I said, from what I’ve read. I didn’t go back and read tons of post that were written before I came back.

[Neveragain]

Yup I read it. But injecting a vaccine that contains small amounts of disinfectant, is far different that injecting straight disinfectant.
Which is what he said. He didn’t say let’s make a vaccine with disinfectant and inject it into the body.
I’m looking strictly at the words he said, and didn’t say. I’m not going to assume that he implies other information that he didn’t say, because well he didn’t say it. And who knows if he meant it with, or without a vaccine.
And even after he made the comment and he tried to clear that statement up as being sarcastic, he didn’t mention it there either.

I'm not an anti-vaxxer by any means but, one of those disinfectants is a mercury based compound.

I'm not sure how small of amount of mercury is safe or not safe, I know the Romans ate the shit though. I can only imagine they were probably using it to make their grill shiny.

[Solkern]

No, but the something like that, means he was saying something that produced the same effect as the disinfectant but worked on the human body and not some surface. Kind of like how Advil and Tylenol are different chemically but are still both used for the same things. They are similar yet still different. If you can't stop and be rational enough to figure out what he was meaning you are either not very intelligent and should leave the thinking to other people, or you are too busy being butt hurt by the fact that Trump is your president.

And you've completely missed the parts of this discussion where PB has clearly stated he wished Trump would learn to control the things that come out of his mouth better. PB has also expressed other points of dissatisfaction involving Trump as well but maybe that was before you started posting here again so you missed them.


Lysol, Clorox, Mr clean, are all similar and yet still different. How can you say he didn’t mean it like this?

[Jeril]

Lysol, Clorox, Mr clean, are all similar and yet still different. How can you say he didn’t mean it like this?

Because I have a functional brain? For someone who claims not to have any TDS you sure seem to have it in spades

[Solkern]

I'm not an anti-vaxxer by any means but, one of those disinfectants is a mercury based compound.

I'm not sure how small of amount of mercury is safe or not safe, I know the Romans ate the shit though. I can only imagine they were probably using it to make their grill shiny.


And it’s still used quite a bit in Chinese traditional medicine. But it’s mostly not used in modern medicine.
In regards to vaccines, it’s used as a preservative in vaccines, though this use is in decline.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

If you can't stop and be rational enough to figure out what he was meaning you are either not very intelligent and should leave the thinking to other people, or you are too busy being butt hurt by the fact that Trump is your president.

You've pretty much explained the nuance of his arguments in this single statement.

[Neveragain]

And it’s still used quite a bit in Chinese traditional medicine. But it’s mostly not used in modern medicine.
In regards to vaccines, it’s used as a preservative in vaccines, though this use is in decline.

My brother and I were just discussing this last night. He was saying that from his understanding the first emperor of China died from mercury poisoning. One of Huang's spiritual advisors convinced Huang that inhaling the fumes from boiled mercury would make him a god.

It's amazing humans ever made it this far.

[~Rocktar~]

Just for clarification, do you mean shit that's shaped like an entire human body? Or shit that looks like it came out of a human? Asking for Wrathbringer.

A full size human skin shaped like Cuomo, filled to the brim with whatever shit you choose and then parading around masquerading as a decent human being while being governor of New York.

[Solkern]

My brother and I were just discussing this last night. He was saying that from his understanding the first emperor of China died from mercury poisoning. One of Huang's spiritual advisors convinced Huang that inhaling the fumes from boiled mercury would make him a god.

It's amazing humans ever made it this far.

What's really sad, the world knows how bad it is, and it's still pretty prevalent in China, they promote traditional Chinese medicine over more modern and western medicine. that's one reason why those wet markets will never fucking close.

[Parkbandit]

I'm pretty sure you haven't read what he's saying, if you believe that.

Doesn't matter. He already has it in his tiny mind that I somehow believe Trump is God so there's no changing his mind.

But like I said, he doesn't know shit about anything. He types words out without any real intelligent thought process.

[Parkbandit]

Obviously you don’t quite get it. I’m far from butt hurt that Trump is my president, I approve of quite a lot he’s done, which has benefited me. And I’ve said that multiple times.
And about PB, I’ve already talked about that specific thing you’ve mentioned.
I said I was shocked, then he followed it up a few post later, giving trump his excuse on why it was ok.

And it’s quite possible before I returned he posted things he didn’t approve of, I’m pretty sure I said, from what I’ve read. I didn’t go back and read tons of post that were written before I came back.

If you don't read a thing in your life.. it doesn't somehow make your stupidity real.

Stop using that as a weak ass cop out when you're called out for being wrong.

Don't just grind in your heels and gnash your teeth and double down on stupidity. Just move on.

[Tgo01]

It's amazing watching the media and Biden lose their shit over Trump taking hydroxychloroquine.

What happened to "Listen to the experts!11!!!1!1"

I guess the White House doctor is no longer an expert? Do these people think Trump like, what, strong armed his doctor into writing him a prescription? Start gobbling down these pills without a prescription?

The media seriously needs a major ass kicking already. This is just beyond disgusting. Just look what they did to a simpleton like Seran. I bet at one point Seran was a normal human being, then he started watching CNN and MSNBC 24/7 and now look at him.

[Methais]

Just a bit earlier, he said, something along the lines, I wish trump would just stay on script, read what needs to be read and that's it.
I thought wow, i'm shocked.
a post or a few post later he gives Trump his excuse "Oh he's just trolling like always"

It's almost as if people will have different reactions to different situations.

Weird. How does something like that happen?

[Astray]

Some minor lingering aches but I feel great.

[Methais]

Lysol, Clorox, Mr clean, are all similar and yet still different. How can you say he didn’t mean it like this?

Do you honestly think he meant for people to go inject bleach?

[Tgo01]

Some minor lingering aches but I feel great.

How would you rate this to other times you have been sick? Worse? Better? About the same?

[Methais]

A full size human skin shaped like Cuomo, filled to the brim with whatever shit you choose and then parading around masquerading as a decent human being while being governor of New York.

What about a giant Cuomo shaped water balloon filled with tubgirl juice?

[Methais]

Some minor lingering aches but I feel great.

We're still going to count you as a COVID death.

Sort of like dead people voting. But different. And in reverse.

https://i.imgur.com/CSuB3ZW.png

[Astray]

How would you rate this to other times you have been sick? Worse? Better? About the same?

I would say it's unpleasant, especially with all the sweat. Other than that, I've got nothing to really compare it to. Outside of like a very mild cold.

[Astray]

We're still going to count you as a COVID death.

Great. I'm a statistic now.

[Solkern]

Do you honestly think he meant for people to go inject bleach?

I’ve said it multiple, multiple times, NO, I don’t think he wants anyone to inject bleach, not at all. All I was saying was he fucked up with his words. That’s it. I’ve said that multiple times too, that was it... he made a mistake he fucked up with his words and they came out in a way where it looked like that’s what he wanted, but I know he was referring that DOCTORS should look into it, as a possible cure or treatment, not for random people to shoot up Clorox.
Left wing trash media, blew it up and spun it that he wanted people to inject disinfectant, he never said that, implied it, or anything.

There was a huge spike across the states of people calling and asking if we should drink/inject disinfectant.

[Methais]

I’ve said it multiple, multiple times, NO, I don’t think he wants anyone to inject bleach, not at all. All I was saying was he fucked up with his words. That’s it. I’ve said that multiple times too, that was it... he made a mistake he fucked up with his words and they came out in a way where it looked like that’s what he wanted, but I know he was referring that DOCTORS should look into it, as a possible cure or treatment, not for random people to shoot up Clorox.
Left wing trash media, blew it up and spun it that he wanted people to inject disinfectant, he never said that, implied it, or anything.

There was a huge spike across the states of people calling and asking if we should drink/inject disinfectant.

That kind of contradicts the post I quoted where you said:


Lysol, Clorox, Mr clean, are all similar and yet still different. How can you say he didn’t mean it like this?

Sounds to me like the whole disinfectant issue is the fault of people who are stupid as fuck, for being stupid as fuck. And is also why warning labels need to go away. Same with those idiots who drank fish tank cleaner and then people tried to blame Trump.

[Solkern]

That kind of contradicts the post I quoted where you said:



Sounds to me like the whole disinfectant issue is the fault of people who are stupid as fuck, for being stupid as fuck. And is also why warning labels need to go away. Same with those idiots who drank fish tank cleaner and then people tried to blame Trump.

It was a response at someone else when they were referring to what trump could have meant, and I said, well he could have meant the above, via “something like that”

[Solkern]

That kind of contradicts the post I quoted where you said:



Sounds to me like the whole disinfectant issue is the fault of people who are stupid as fuck, for being stupid as fuck. And is also why warning labels need to go away. Same with those idiots who drank fish tank cleaner and then people tried to blame Trump.


The spike in people taking disinfectant and massive spike in phone calls of people asking if they should take it, kind of validates my point that trump fucked up with his words.
Stupid people + our leader not being clear in what he means = bad results

These spikes happened right after Trump said these words. Is that a coincidence? I don’t think so.

[Stolis]

What about a giant Cuomo shaped water balloon filled with tubgirl juice?

Reported for making me want to throw up

[Astray]

tubgirl juice

It's called "gamer girl water" now.

[Methais]

The spike in people taking disinfectant and massive spike in phone calls of people asking if they should take it, kind of validates my point that trump fucked up with his words.
Stupid people + our leader not being clear in what he means = bad results

These spikes happened right after Trump said these words. Is that a coincidence? I don’t think so.

No. That validates that people are fucking idiots, and literally nothing else.

[Solkern]

No. That validates that people are fucking idiots, and literally nothing else.

Well, question, before trump said injecting disinfectant, there was no spike or reports, after he said it, there was a large spike in people taking it, or asking about it. Did Trump’s words play a role in this? Kind of hard to say it didn’t.
Stupid people didn’t think of it, trump said inject disinfectant, and stupid people were like “hey that’s a good idea!”

If not, can you tell me what was the reason for the sudden increase in people taking disinfectant or calling about taking disinfectant to kill the virus.

[Seran]

It's amazing watching the media and Biden lose their shit over Trump taking hydroxychloroquine.

What happened to "Listen to the experts!11!!!1!1"

I guess the White House doctor is no longer an expert? Do these people think Trump like, what, strong armed his doctor into writing him a prescription? Start gobbling down these pills without a prescription?

The media seriously needs a major ass kicking already. This is just beyond disgusting. Just look what they did to a simpleton like Seran. I bet at one point Seran was a normal human being, then he started watching CNN and MSNBC 24/7 and now look at him.

Your immunity to logic is impressive. When fifty doctors say, "Don't do it, there's no benefit and it may kill you." and one doctor allows a mentally ill man to take a dangerous drug, that's not affirmation of anything but an affirmation of poor life choices.

[Some Rogue]

These are the same doctors who claim he is 6'3" and 239 lbs and could live to 200. I think he gets a new one every year lol.

[Neveragain]

I just take comfort that it's once again ok to body shame people. I mean Stacey Abrams is obese and a bad influence for women of color.

[Tgo01]

Interesting statistic I have heard thrown around a few times the past couple of days: the US now has more testing capacity than the number of people who want to be tested.

No wonder the media no longer even talks about testing anymore, they were so sure they had Trump with their "we need 30 million tests a day or we're all gonna die!11!!!" I guess they didn't figure nowhere near that number of people would even seek out testing.

What exactly are the media bitching about these days in regards to the Wuhan virus? Seriously now, these past couple of days it almost seems like the media has largely moved on. No wonder they are throwing such a tantrum over Trump taking hydroxychloroquine, it seems to be the only thing they have to bitch about at the moment.

[Ashlander]

Interesting statistic I have heard thrown around a few times the past couple of days: the US now has more testing capacity than the number of people who want to be tested.

No wonder the media no longer even talks about testing anymore, they were so sure they had Trump with their "we need 30 million tests a day or we're all gonna die!11!!!" I guess they didn't figure nowhere near that number of people would even seek out testing.

What exactly are the media bitching about these days in regards to the Wuhan virus? Seriously now, these past couple of days it almost seems like the media has largely moved on. No wonder they are throwing such a tantrum over Trump taking hydroxychloroquine, it seems to be the only thing they have to bitch about at the moment.

If they didn't bitch about how bad a job Trump is doing they might have to cover some of the allegations against Biden.

[Tgo01]

If they didn't bitch about how bad a job Trump is doing they might have to cover some of the allegations against Biden.

Well that's just crazy talk! Creepy Joe is our savior!

[Ashlander]

Well that's just crazy talk! Creepy Joe is our savior!

Can't stop the Joepedo!

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I just take comfort that it's once again ok to body shame people. I mean Stacey Abrams is obese and a bad influence for women of color.

Uh, unless you are a democrat, you can't shame other democrats. You can however, shame anyone who isn't a democrat regardless of their ethnicity, size, sexual orientation or sex, so long as it's not a democrat. Cause if you are not a democrat, it's an ism. Like racism, sexism, whatever the call gayism and homoism. Don't be an ism. Unless you are a democrat, then it's just virtue signaling and it's A OK.

[Tgo01]

Right when you thought Cuomo couldn't be anymore of a slimy, worthless, piece of shit murderer he goes and surprises you. (https://thepoliticalinsider.com/cuomo-its-trumps-fault-that-i-issued-an-order-forcing-nursing-homes-to-take-covid-patients/)


“I’m not going to get into the political back-and-forth, but anyone who wants to ask why did the state do that with COVID patients in nursing homes, it’s because the state followed President Trump’s CDC guidance.”

Yes that's right. While states like Florida were doing their best to remove Wuhan virus infected patients out of nursing homes so they didn't infect more people, states like NY were doing their best to shove as many infected patients as possible into nursing homes because apparently Trump's CDC told them to.

Fuck right the fuck off, Cuomo. Honestly this should literally be criminal at this point. Democrats should be calling for Cuomo's head. But it's just a bunch of old people, so their sacrifice is warranted if it means protecting one of their own and lavishing praise upon a Democrat governor.

[Alfster]

What was the CDC guidelines at that time?

[Tgo01]

What was the CDC guidelines at that time?

I don't know but I feel confident in saying the CDC probably never had guidelines suggesting states force nursing homes to accept infected patients.

I think people don't realize just how fucked up this whole situation is, which is somewhat understandable since the media in this country is completely corrupt and running cover for Cuomo.

This wasn't just a policy in like late February/early March and it happened during a hectic period and shit was happening so fast but they realized their mistake early and stopped it, this policy was in effect until last week. Absolutely no excuse for this shit.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Liberals need to pick a lane. Is it the CDCs fault, or Trumps? Is it the governors, or Trump? Is it the doctors, or Trump?

In all of those questions, the media says all wins go to not Trump, and all bad decisions go to Trump. Just pick a fucking lane or admit to being biased and intentionally obtuse.

[Alfster]

This whole thing has been a perfect shit storm of misinformation and confusion.

[Solkern]

Liberals need to pick a lane. Is it the CDCs fault, or Trumps? Is it the governors, or Trump? Is it the doctors, or Trump?

In all of those questions, the media says all wins go to not Trump, and all bad decisions go to Trump. Just pick a fucking lane or admit to being biased and intentionally obtuse.

It was a complete failure by everyone, not just one person or part of government is to be blamed. Governors, congress, CDC and the White House all failed. Both democrats and republicans.

[Tgo01]

This whole thing has been a perfect shit storm of misinformation and confusion.

Granted I'm no epidemiologist or doctor, but I would think if you are dealing with a highly infectious disease and the elderly are particularly vulnerable the absolute worst thing you can do is send nursing home patients back to their nursing home because you want to free up beds in hospitals for other Wuhan virus patients and it turns out the bed capacity was never even needed.

That's not misinformation or confusion, that's just gross incompetence bordering on manslaughter on a grand scale.

[Alfster]

Our entire state locked down nursing homes and assisted living facilities as one of the first things they did. I wasn't sure if that was vià guidance or just a "no shit" type of common sense thing.

[Tgo01]

Governor Hitler of Michigan is talking about extending the shutdown for another 28 days in her state.

Can someone explain to me why governor Hitler is supposedly as popular as she is? What exactly has she done for Michigan? She hasn't discussed helping people who lost their jobs, or getting the economy back on track, or any of that shit. She just got into a contest with other Democrat governors about how much freedoms she could curtail, closed everything down, and now has extended her bullshit lockdowns for months and is talking about another month. Honestly she seems to be doing this shit out of spite now more than anything because people dared to protest her and the state legislature said she didn't have the power to do this.

All the while she is telling the federal government they need to bail out her citizens, her state's businesses, and her state's cities, and oh yeah the state itself!

Yeah! Great leadership! Fuck everything up and tell someone else it's their responsibility to fix their mess.

[Methais]

I just take comfort that it's once again ok to body shame people. I mean Stacey Abrams is obese and a bad influence for women of color.

Yes she’s quite an ugly and really stupid looking fat fuck and probably smells like a towel that sat in the washing machine too long without being thrown in the dryer.

[Tgo01]

Hitler and Hitler Jr of Michigan went after a 77 year old barber hard because he dared open his business to try and earn money to pay his bills.

First they sent FOUR FUCKING COPS to his place of business to serve him a cease and desist notice.

He told Hitler and Hitler Jr to pound sand.

Then they revoked his business license, but the barber said "Fuck you, I'm still cutting hair."

Then they slapped him with a restraining order in an attempt to get him to shut down, and once again the barber said "Fuck you cunts, I'll cut hair if I want to.

Well today a judge agreed that the barber is well within his rights to say "Fuck you cunts, I'll cut hair if I want to."

The judge's ruling was filled with too many facts which leads me to believe it will be appealed by Hitler and Hitler Jr, will be reviewed by a liberal judge who will in turn say "Who needs facts when we have feels?" and rule in favor of Hitler and Hitler Jr. (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/judge-rules-in-favor-of-michigan-barber-allowing-him-to-stay-open-despite-lockdown-order)


Michigan Chief Medical Executive Dr. Joniegh Khaldun had argued in an affidavit that Manke’s shop was a threat to public health, but Stewart said not enough evidence was shown to prove that.

"The attorney general has not presented any studies underlying the doctor's conclusion,” Stewart wrote in his opinion. “The attorney general has not shown any nexus between the cutting of hair and an increased risk of transmission. The attorney general's filings rest more on general facts about COVID-19 than specific practices or conditions at Manke's business."

I bet Hitler Jr. was shocked at this decision. "Wait...I....I have to PROVE my case? I thought me being a brave, female, AG meant I just have to say things and judges rule in my favor?"

I really do wonder what the piece of shit Keller thinks about his governor and AG spending all of this time to ruin the life and business of a 77 year old man? He probably jerks off to it thinking "Please die...please just die..."

[Tgo01]

CDC is now saying getting infected via contaminated surfaces is highly unlikely, the main source of infection is person to person.

[ClydeR]

CDC is now saying getting infected via contaminated surfaces is highly unlikely, the main source of infection is person to person.


That's consistent with my focus on masks from the beginning of this topic. You may remember that Certain People said I was wrong about masks. Now everybody, including Trump, agrees with me that masks are very important. Anybody with a tiny bit of common sense could have seen from the start that masks were the way to go.

[Methais]

Just pick a fucking lane or admit to being biased and intentionally obtuse.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/f87H6MlfiCc6gmpE_BC-7-oF3grHtdPTn49EeNvY634LYbQ-AXzz7yBvUebT4kuNLZGWyJwMyp9cDEBZQ2187rNNgPSmfYMRML sXiVoclJEygXjobMFnnWpUFBLMw8-Anj8

[Methais]

It was a complete failure by everyone, not just one person or part of government is to be blamed. Governors, congress, CDC and the White House all failed. Both democrats and republicans.

The media is by far the biggest failure. Probably more than everyone you listed combined.

[Methais]

That's consistent with my focus on masks from the beginning of this topic. You may remember that Certain People said I was wrong about masks. Now everybody, including Trump, agrees with me that masks are very important. Anybody with a tiny bit of common sense could have seen from the start that masks were the way to go.

https://i.imgur.com/b0FwLYu.jpg

[ClydeR]

Q Sir, how long do you expect take hydroxychloroquine?

THE PRESIDENT: I think it’s another day. I had a two-week regimen of hydroxychloroquine. And I’ve taken it, I think, just about two weeks. I think it’s another day. And I’m still here. I’m still here. And I tested very positively in a — in another sense.

More... (https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/remarks-president-trump-marine-one-departure-92/)

When Trump first announced he was taking hydroxycholorquine, I thought he meant he was taking it from now on in an attempt to prevent being infected. After his statement yesterday, I now understand that he was taking it because he was exposed in the White House to people who were infected and feared that he might have been infected. He was taking it to fight the virus, in case he was infected, in its early stages before he began having symptoms.

You realize what that means, of course? He was meeting with people and refusing to wear a mask at a time when he thought he might be infected.

[Tgo01]

California doctors say they've seen more deaths from suicide than coronavirus since lockdowns (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/california-doctors-say-theyve-seen-more-deaths-from-suicide-than-coronavirus-since-lockdowns)


“The numbers are unprecedented,” Dr. Mike deBoisblanc of John Muir Medical Center in Walnut Creek, California, told ABC 7 News about the increase of suicide deaths adding that he’s seen a “year’s worth of suicides” in the last four weeks alone.


Kacey Hansen, a trauma center nurse at John Muir Medical Center for over 30 years, says she’s not only worried about the increased suicide attempts but also about the hospital’s ability to save as many patients as usual.

"What I have seen recently, I have never seen before," Hansen said. "I have never seen so much intentional injury."


By late March, more people had died in just one Tennessee county from suicide than had died in the entire state directly from the virus.

If you're still going along with this continued lock down nonsense then don't you dare say you care about human life. It's painfully obvious you don't. You just care about your politics and you see this as nothing but a political game.

[Seran]

California doctors say they've seen more deaths from suicide than coronavirus since lockdowns (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/california-doctors-say-theyve-seen-more-deaths-from-suicide-than-coronavirus-since-lockdowns)







If you're still going along with this continued lock down nonsense then don't you dare say you care about human life. It's painfully obvious you don't. You just care about your politics and you see this as nothing but a political game.

California's controlled the number of COVID-19 deaths by being one of the first to limit interaction and implementing social distancing. That it hasn't been successful is in no way a valid argument to reopen in light of people choosing to kill themselves. Nor does this article of any study I've found display the number of suicides as a result of shelter in place versus the number of those who'd have died if shelter in place had never been implemented. Your logic as always is full of cheese.

[Tgo01]

California's controlled the number of COVID-19 deaths by being one of the first to limit interaction and implementing social distancing. That it hasn't been successful is in no way a valid argument to reopen in light of people choosing to kill themselves. Nor does this article of any study I've found display the number of suicides as a result of shelter in place versus the number of those who'd have died if shelter in place had never been implemented. Your logic as always is full of cheese.

How did I know Seran would be the first piece of shit to respond and say more lockdowns are necessary?

All we need now is for Archigeek to come along and say more boots on our necks is necessary to "save lives" and the trend of shitty people defending shitty politicians will continue.

[Methais]

California's controlled the number of COVID-19 deaths by being one of the first to limit interaction and implementing social distancing. That it hasn't been successful is in no way a valid argument to reopen in light of people choosing to kill themselves. Nor does this article of any study I've found display the number of suicides as a result of shelter in place versus the number of those who'd have died if shelter in place had never been implemented. Your logic as always is full of cheese.

Imagine having TDS this badly.

[ClydeR]

Trump's press conference today was a master class in politics.

A new study released today shows that COVID-19 patients who take hydroxychloriquine are 34% more likely to die than those who don't take it. Everybody expected Trump to be questioned about that study at today's press conference. But Trump avoided that embarrassment.

He announced that he has ordered the CDC to issue an order effective immediately allowing all churches to open in time for services this week. Trump said that some governors have allowed abortion clinics to stay open during the pandemic while shutting down churches. That's not right, he said. He said the new order would take effect in time for churches to meet this weekend. If any governors argue about it, he said he will overrule them and allow all churches to open.

Then he ended the press conference and walked out!

[Furryrat]

A new study released today shows that COVID-19 patients who take hydroxychloriquine are 34% more likely to die than those who don't take it. Everybody expected Trump to be questioned about that study at today's press conference. But Trump avoided that embarrassment.

Perhaps you can't grasp the difference between taking a drug as a preventative BEFORE you get infected and taking a drug AFTER you are infected and experience significant deteriorating symptoms which necessitate hospitalization and treatment. Not shocked.

[Seran]

Trump's press conference today was a master class in politics.

A new study released today shows that COVID-19 patients who take hydroxychloriquine are 34% more likely to die than those who don't take it. Everybody expected Trump to be questioned about that study at today's press conference. But Trump avoided that embarrassment.

He announced that he has ordered the CDC to issue an order effective immediately allowing all churches to open in time for services this week. Trump said that some governors have allowed abortion clinics to stay open during the pandemic while shutting down churches. That's not right, he said. He said the new order would take effect in time for churches to meet this weekend. If any governors argue about it, he said he will overrule them and allow all churches to open.

Then he ended the press conference and walked out!

Look out now, but I think the comparison police are on their way. One has to wonder if the President thinks abortions are some form of worship.

[Seran]

Perhaps you can't grasp the difference between taking a drug as a preventative BEFORE you get infected and taking a drug AFTER you are infected and experience significant deteriorating symptoms which necessitate hospitalization and treatment. Not shocked.

Hydroxychloriquine is not proven to prevent a COVID-19 in infection. It is proven to increase the mortality of infection. So lets all go start taking dangerous, unproven drugs because the President has friends with stock... I mean, because the President strongly believes he's a medical professional.

[Furryrat]

Hydroxychloriquine is not proven to prevent a COVID-19 in infection. It is proven to increase the mortality of infection. So lets all go start taking dangerous, unproven drugs because the President has friends with stock... I mean, because the President strongly believes he's a medical professional.

First approved in 1955. Taken en masse in the third world to prevent malaria. A doctor obviously prescribed him the medication and it is being taken by choice.

I think I shall switch to mob mentality Democrat. Better head to CVS and get my bone density pills that Nancy Pelosi takes. Get my Dianne Feinstein ginko biloba capsules. Certainly need whatever Jerry Nadler took to turn his hair back dark for the camera. You. That's how you sound.

[Methais]

Trump's press conference today was a master class in politics.

A new study released today shows that COVID-19 patients who take hydroxychloriquine are 34% more likely to die than those who don't take it. Everybody expected Trump to be questioned about that study at today's press conference. But Trump avoided that embarrassment.

He announced that he has ordered the CDC to issue an order effective immediately allowing all churches to open in time for services this week. Trump said that some governors have allowed abortion clinics to stay open during the pandemic while shutting down churches. That's not right, he said. He said the new order would take effect in time for churches to meet this weekend. If any governors argue about it, he said he will overrule them and allow all churches to open.

Then he ended the press conference and walked out!

https://i.imgur.com/b0FwLYu.jpg

[Seran]

First approved in 1955. Taken en masse in the third world to prevent malaria. A doctor obviously prescribed him the medication and it is being taken by choice.

I think I shall switch to mob mentality Democrat. Better head to CVS and get my bone density pills that Nancy Pelosi takes. Get my Dianne Feinstein ginko biloba capsules. Certainly need whatever Jerry Nadler took to turn his hair back dark for the camera. You. That's how you sound.

What the hell does it's treatment for malaria have to do with wackadoo claims about it's effectiveness for a coronavirus? That's right nothing.

[Parkbandit]

Perhaps you can't grasp the difference between taking a drug as a preventative BEFORE you get infected and taking a drug AFTER you are infected and experience significant deteriorating symptoms which necessitate hospitalization and treatment. Not shocked.

Perhaps you can't grasp the difference between a normal poster and one that has been forced to hide behind an online persona because his frail little ego can't handle criticism?

:nono:

[Tgo01]

Trump just deemed houses of worship as essential.

Suck it, fascist Democrats.

[Astray]

Trump just deemed houses of worship as essential.

Suck it, fascist Democrats.

Worship at the altar of Deez.

[Tgo01]

Worship at the altar of Deez.

Can't, you have cooties.

[Astray]

Can't, you have cooties.

Not any more, I got my green card.

Er. My clearance card.

[Neveragain]

https://i.imgur.com/b0FwLYu.jpg

lol

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bb/Cigarette_DS.jpg

[Parkbandit]

Trump just deemed houses of worship as essential.

Suck it, fascist Democrats.

He's just placating to his base.

[Gelston]

Trump just deemed houses of worship as essential.

Suck it, fascist Democrats.

I mean, he can't make a Governor open them.

[Tgo01]

I mean, he can't make a Governor open them.

Maybe not Trump directly but he could get the DOJ involved, maybe start to threaten to withhold federal aid.

[Gelston]

Maybe not Trump directly but he could get the DOJ involved, maybe start to threaten to withhold federal aid.

And they'd get tied up in courts and the Governors would eventually win anyways.

[Tgo01]

More good news. Remember South Korea said some people had recovered from the Wuhan virus then later tested positive for the virus again, leading fear mongering Democrats and the media to insist this was proof that people could be reinfected and we would never truly be safe until there was a vaccine?

So far the tests South Korea has done has concluded that the tests were detecting dead virus and weren't replicating.

That means so far the following fear mongering has been debunked:

People can be reinfected
People don't be immune after being infected and recovering
The virus lasts on surfaces for weeks
The virus can easily be transmitted from surface to person

With all of the fear mongering the media was doing you would think this was some sort of super virus that didn't behave in any way to what we already know about viruses but they kept pushing the fear mongering anyways because hey had a narrative to push.

[Tgo01]

More bad news. Governor Hitler of Michigan, not yet content that she has completely destroyed her state's economy, has extended the lockdown until June 12th.

Yes that's right, in a state where .05% of the population has died to the Wuhan virus governor Hitler has decided that millions more people must continue to suffer.

At this point it's clear her lockdowns have nothing to do with "science" like Democrats have been claiming for weeks now. Her lockdown orders have to do with spite and hatred, spite for the people protesting her and telling her she's wrong and hatred for Trump, Republicans, and the citizens of her state.

Fuck governor Hitler and fuck pieces of shit such as Keller who her enable her shit.

[Seran]

This nut job echo chamber you've got here Dreaven, with all your alts, really isn't healthy. You should consider getting help.

[Astray]

Wait, am I an alt of Dreaven? Got me questioning, man!

[Parkbandit]

More bad news. Governor Hitler of Michigan, not yet content that she has completely destroyed her state's economy, has extended the lockdown until June 12th.

Yes that's right, in a state where .05% of the population has died to the Wuhan virus governor Hitler has decided that millions more people must continue to suffer.

At this point it's clear her lockdowns have nothing to do with "science" like Democrats have been claiming for weeks now. Her lockdown orders have to do with spite and hatred, spite for the people protesting her and telling her she's wrong and hatred for Trump, Republicans, and the citizens of her state.

Fuck governor Hitler and fuck pieces of shit such as Keller who her enable her shit.

She's applying for VP and she's hoping her 15 minutes of fame will last longer than her next election where she will hopefully be voted out of office.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

This nut job echo chamber you've got here Dreaven, with all your alts, really isn't healthy. You should consider getting help.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EAasCNPXkAE2PwM.jpg

[Seizer]

Wait, am I an alt of Dreaven? Got me questioning, man!
I guess it’s similar to our secret PC clique.

[Astray]

I guess it’s similar to our secret PC clique.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ef/19/36/ef1936987d0f6170c7eb35507bb1eccb.jpg

[Tgo01]

Well this is interesting. (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html)

The CDC's current best estimate is that the R0 of the Wuhan virus is 2.5 and the overall mortality rate is .4%.

Remember all of that fear mongering going on a couple of months ago that the R0 of the virus was over 7 and the death rate was 3.8%, and if anyone doubted those numbers they were labeled a murderer who didn't care about facts?

Also remember how you were a denier of facts and wanted to see old people die if you compared the Wuhan virus to the flu?

Well the R0 of the flu is 1.3 and the mortality rate is estimated to be about .1%. That means as of the CDC's best estimate right now the Wuhan virus is about twice as infectious as the flu and about 4 times deadlier, which granted isn't the flu, but who was closer, the "it's just the flu crowd", or the "IT'S GONNA DESTROY THE WORLD!" crowd who suggested it was over 5 times as infectious as the flu and almost 40 times deadlier?

I'll leave it up the math genius known as Seran to answer that one.

In any case we completely fucked ourselves over for a virus that has a .05% death rate for people aged 0-49, .2% death rate for people aged 50-64, and a 1.3% death rate for people 65+. So we could have just done our best to protect nursing home residents (rather than murder them like Democrat governors did) and other elderly people and gone about our lives like usual and the risk wouldn't have been any worse than the flu.

[ClydeR]

This Memorial Day weekend, when Trump has ordered flags flown at half staff in memory of those who died from the coronavirus, would be good time for us to mourn the members of this forum who fell the virus. I propose 60 seconds of silence starting now.

[ClydeR]

Thank you for participating.

[Some Rogue]

It's almost as if more data is a good thing.