Wuhan Virus

[Risen]

More is coming out on China. Cases are likely closer to 2+ million. China basically lied on the outcome of the virus so it could make purchases of PPE and other equipment before prices spiked around the world.

Source? Mind you, I am not arguing or debating, I want to understand for myself.

[Seran]

Checks could have gone out last week but Pelosi/Schumer had to make sure the Kennedy Center got its millions (and subsequently fired its employees anyway).

Which changes absolutely nothing about the President attempting to use stimulus checks as political capital

[Tgo01]

Evil, horrible bitch Nancy Pelosi literally bragging and smiling about Democrats blocking more funding for small businesses hurt by the government imposed shutdown. She even personally thanks Chuck Schumer and Senate Democrats for blocking this funding that American small business owners desperately need.

Thanks, Seran, for voting in evil pieces of shit who love to fuck over Americans with their direct actions. But keep telling us how Trump's mere words are destroying our Democracy.

https://twitter.com/mattdizwhitlock/status/1250240455259930628?s=20

[Alfster]

You're pro socialism now?

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

You're pro socialism now?

HAHAHA. Cold burn.

[Seran]

You're pro socialism now?

Republicans are remarkably socialist when it comes to bailouts

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Republicans are remarkably socialist when it comes to bailouts

So are democrats, and it's annoying as fuck in both cases.

[Tgo01]

You're pro socialism now?

I'm pro the government not shutting down our economy, but if the government does force businesses to close then yeah, yeah they should be compensated. This is even spelled out in the constitution, well maybe not EXACTLY this scenario, but the government fucking over private property owners without just compensation.

[Tgo01]

Republicans are remarkably socialist when it comes to bailouts

This is not a bailout.

A bailout is "Oh your business failed because your business model sucked or your union got too greedy?Well here's some money anyways!"

This is "Oh your business failed because we literally shut your business down through no fault of your own for 6+ weeks? Yeah here's some money to keep you from going bankrupt."

Why do people compare these two scenarios?

[Seran]

So are democrats, and it's annoying as fuck in both cases.

True.

[Seran]

This is not a bailout.

A bailout is "Oh your business failed because your business model sucked or your union got too greedy?Well here's some money anyways!"

This is "Oh your business failed because we literally shut your business down through no fault of your own for 6+ weeks? Yeah here's some money to keep you from going bankrupt."

Why do people compare these two scenarios?

This is a bailout. Just as the financial meltdown was a rescue package to save subprime loan originators and investment firms, this bailout is a rescue package for retailers, and brick and mortar speciality shops that haven't accepted the digital revolution.

Airline's should have been allowed to bankrupt

[Tgo01]

This is a bailout. Just as the financial meltdown was a rescue package to save subprime loan originators and investment firms, this bailout is a rescue package for retailers, and brick and mortar speciality shops that haven't accepted the digital revolution.

Airline's should have been allowed to bankrupt

So you think companies literally being forced to close down by the government shouldn't be compensated by the government? Why do you hate the constitution so much?

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I dunno, my family owns a dog kennel and has owned it for 30 years without any issues. This crisis has put it at risk (granted, my sister who owns it is freaking out way to much, but she still thinks its at risk). Mostly she thinks this because she has a large cash burn rate when you consider the mortgage, interest staff, electric, etc etc etc and literally no income at the moment. SBA is saving her bacon, so I like that big gubment is helping, but the capitalist in me says she should have saved better and prepared for challenging times. I'm very conflicted.

In the end though, I like that big G is coming to the rescue of small businesses. I guess I'm kind of a socialist.

[Seran]

So you think companies literally being forced to close down by the government shouldn't be compensated by the government? Why do you hate the constitution so much?

You've failed to read my post, again. Businesses can still take orders and ship, just as most states are allowing restaurants to do takeout and curbside. Also, bailouts aren't enumerated in the Constitution

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

You've failed to read my post, again. Businesses can still take orders and ship, just as most states are allowing restaurants to do takeout and curbside. Also, bailouts aren't enumerated in the Constitution

There are tons of businesses that have suffered greatly due to the social distancing. To try and package them into grub hub and merch shipping is not a good evaluation of whats going on in America today. How about places like salons/barbershops, pawnshops (prolly doing ok so far as buying stuff), malls, theatres, broadway, all the stupid arts shit in the world? It's disingenuous to try and say take out and websites solve the worlds problems.

[Tgo01]

I dunno, my family owns a dog kennel and has owned it for 30 years without any issues. This crisis has put it at risk (granted, my sister who owns it is freaking out way to much, but she still thinks its at risk). Mostly she thinks this because she has a large cash burn rate when you consider the mortgage, interest staff, electric, etc etc etc and literally no income at the moment. SBA is saving her bacon, so I like that big gubment is helping, but the capitalist in me says she should have saved better and prepared for challenging times. I'm very conflicted.

In the end though, I like that big G is coming to the rescue of small businesses. I guess I'm kind of a socialist.

I don't know about your sister's finances but a lot of businesses are just barely getting by. Just a couple of unusually slow months can sink some businesses out there, imagine taking away all income for 6+ weeks.


You've failed to read my post, again. Businesses can still take orders and ship, just as most states are allowing restaurants to do takeout and curbside. Also, bailouts aren't enumerated in the Constitution

Are you sitting there with a straight face and telling me NO BUSINESSES are completely shut down right now?

Even the restaurants that are doing takeout/curbside you really think this isn't eating into their business? A lot of people go to a restaurant because they want to sit down and relax and eat at a nice place, they don't want to get a box of food to go like it's a more expensive version of McDonald's.

The constitution says people should be compensated when their property is taken by the government, the supreme court has interpreted this to mean not just physically taking the property, but also making the property unusable. Like I said it's not THIS particular scenario, but it's close enough to me that I think the government should be helping these businesses out.

[Seran]

There are tons of businesses that have suffered greatly due to the social distancing. To try and package them into grub hub and merch shipping is not a good evaluation of whats going on in America today. How about places like salons/barbershops, pawnshops (prolly doing ok so far as buying stuff), malls, theatres, broadway, all the stupid arts shit in the world? It's disingenuous to try and say take out and websites solve the worlds problems.

There's a bit of pigeon-holing, admittedly. Take into consideration winter tourism destinations. Vale, Tahoe, etc. Half of those businesses are closed six months out of the year, yet their business models account for no income during the off season. Here it's barely been a month since most states ordered shelter in place, yet you'd think the nation had been shutdown for half the year.

[Stolis]

There's a bit of pigeon-holing, admittedly. Take into consideration winter tourism destinations. Vale, Tahoe, etc. Half of those businesses are closed six months out of the year, yet their business models account for no income during the off season. Here it's barely been a month since most states ordered shelter in place, yet you'd think the nation had been shutdown for half the year.

Right. Their business models account for no income for 6 months, assuming they made income for 6 months. Except, they lost basically all of March and up to this point, a couple weeks of April. April, yeah probably not quite ski weather but if you have it, bonus money. March? That seems like ski weather to me. They lost that income. What income did they lose when it was unseasonably warm and maybe they didn't quite have the snow expected and the resort suffered? Assume 2 weeks cause that's probably a safe number to use and not a huge stretch. So 6 months of income just became 4.5 months of income. Your business drops 25% and let me know how that works out for you.

[~Rocktar~]

You've failed to read my post, again. Businesses can still take orders and ship, just as most states are allowing restaurants to do takeout and curbside. Also, bailouts aren't enumerated in the Constitution

Neither is income redistribution, welfare, the right to murder a baby, limiting firearms ownership and so on. So suddenly you Leftists are worried about the constitution?

[Seran]

Neither is income redistribution, welfare, the right to murder a baby, limiting firearms ownership and so on. So suddenly you Leftists are worried about the constitution?

Almost a coherent sentence there, congratulations.

[~Rocktar~]

Almost a coherent sentence there, congratulations.

And now you are a grammar nazi. Seriously, fuck off you Leftist hypocrite.

[Keller]

I dunno, my family owns a dog kennel and has owned it for 30 years without any issues. This crisis has put it at risk (granted, my sister who owns it is freaking out way to much, but she still thinks its at risk). Mostly she thinks this because she has a large cash burn rate when you consider the mortgage, interest staff, electric, etc etc etc and literally no income at the moment. SBA is saving her bacon, so I like that big gubment is helping, but the capitalist in me says she should have saved better and prepared for challenging times. I'm very conflicted.

In the end though, I like that big G is coming to the rescue of small businesses. I guess I'm kind of a socialist.

I'm 100 percent behind helping small businesses. As Tgo said, many of them operate on very small margins and, more importantly, their equity is generally concentrated in a family or three and wiping that equity out would be disasterous for those families. Given that this is a global health crisis and has nothing to do with business decisions those folks made, I'm behind helping small business.

I'm a little conflicted on saving big business for two reasons. First, you're really bailing out equity holders and not saving the business. Those businesses (hotels, commercial RE, airlines, etc) have most of their value in PPE and will have to restructure in bankruptcy. It will impact the equity holders disproportionately. Here, the equity holders are generally institutional investors with very diversified portfolios of assets that are able to withstand a hit to their equity in those companies. Second, they just received an enormous windfall via tax reform that they used to inflate their stock price through buybacks, which enriched shareholders and did nothing to shore up their balance sheet (other than the equity component of the balance sheet, of course). If, instead, they'd kept some of that cash on hand they'd be better able to cope with this crisis.

Ultimately I'm still in favor of saving big business because economists still believe this will be a V-shaped recession and bailing out those businesses keeps the engine revving for when we can resume normal life again.

[Wrathbringer]

I'm 100 percent behind helping small businesses. As Tgo said, many of them operate on very small margins and, more importantly, their equity is generally concentrated in a family or three and wiping that equity out would be disasterous for those families. Given that this is a global health crisis and has nothing to do with business decisions those folks made, I'm behind helping small business.

I'm a little conflicted on saving big business for two reasons. First, you're really bailing out equity holders and not saving the business. Those businesses (hotels, commercial RE, airlines, etc) have most of their value in PPE and will have to restructure in bankruptcy. It will impact the equity holders disproportionately. Here, the equity holders are generally institutional investors with very diversified portfolios of assets that are able to withstand a hit to their equity in those companies. Second, they just received an enormous windfall via tax reform that they used to inflate their stock price through buybacks, which enriched shareholders and did nothing to shore up their balance sheet (other than the equity component of the balance sheet, of course). If, instead, they'd kept some of that cash on hand they'd be better able to cope with this crisis.

Ultimately I'm still in favor of saving big business because economists still believe this will be a V-shaped recession and bailing out those businesses keeps the engine revving for when we can resume normal life again.

TR;DR

[Parkbandit]

There's a bit of pigeon-holing, admittedly. Take into consideration winter tourism destinations. Vale, Tahoe, etc. Half of those businesses are closed six months out of the year, yet their business models account for no income during the off season. Here it's barely been a month since most states ordered shelter in place, yet you'd think the nation had been shutdown for half the year.

All I got out of your stupidity today is that:

1) You don't own a successful small business.
2) You don't understand what it takes to run a successful small business
3) You don't understand much of anything that is told to you

[Parkbandit]

Feels good to actually GET a check (direct deposit) on 4/15 from the Federal Government instead of scratching one.

[Stolis]

Feels good to actually GET a check (direct deposit) on 4/15 from the Federal Government instead of scratching one.

I'm shocked it was actually delivered on time, to be honest.

[Tgo01]

https://www.redstate.com/sister-toldjah/2020/04/15/bicyclist-files-police-complaint-against-cnns-chris-cuomo-after-alleged-hostile-sunday-encounter/

Surprise here! Sounds like Chris Cuomo is a lying shit bag and a complete asshole and probably doesn't even have the Wuhan Virus.

tl;dr: Guy claims he was out riding his bike when he noticed Cuomo was with his wife, another woman, and kids all hanging out in the yard of one of his properties. The guy thought it was odd that Cuomo, who supposedly is still recovering from the Wuhan virus, was not only not self isolating or practicing social distancing, but broke his own brother's state rules about unnecessary travel (this was a second property of his that doesn't even have the house built yet.) Cuomo apparently started yelling at the guy and threatening him, which is totally believable considering he threatened to throw that one guy down a flight of stairs for calling him by his real first name Fredo.

Also a few days ago Fredo showed a scan of his lungs on the air to prove that he has the Wuhan flu. Only probably is many experts who look at xrays for living pointed out that the xray looked completely normal and there is no way the xrays alone would prove he has any sort of infection.

The media are perhaps the biggest bunch of thugs, mobsters, and liars in America right now.

[time4fun]

Neither is income redistribution, welfare, the right to murder a baby, limiting firearms ownership and so on. So suddenly you Leftists are worried about the constitution?

I see you're just as crazy as ever.

Also that your understanding of the Constitution has not improved in any significant way

[~Rocktar~]

I see you're just as crazy as ever.

Also that your understanding of the Constitution has not improved in any significant way

Wow, you came back, tell us about your 27 new PhD s and how many more years of experience as a top cock sucker at the UN you have now.

[Fortybox]

I see you're just as crazy as ever.

Also that your understanding of the Constitution has not improved in any significant way

The resurgence of COVID-TIME4FUN is a true pandemic

[Parkbandit]

I see you're just as crazy as ever.

Also that your understanding of the Constitution has not improved in any significant way

Oh honey...

https://badbooksgoodtimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/self-awareness-gif.gif

in before you claim you have a PhD in Constitutional Law or you taught a Constitutional Law class....

[Tgo01]

Watching Democrats melt down because the relief checks will have Trump's signature on them is awesome.

[Parkbandit]

The resurgence of COVID-TIME4FUN is a true pandemic

His/her/it can't infect you with stupidity though.. and thankfully, he/she/it probably can't/won't reproduce, so the stupidity gene that has plagued her family tree will die with her/him/it

[Keller]

Watching Democrats melt down because the relief checks will have Trump's signature on them is awesome.

Most people get direct deposit.

Besides the unchecked narcissism, it's not a big deal.

[Tgo01]

Most people get direct deposit.

Besides the unchecked narcissism, it's not a big deal.

Of course it's not a big deal, why would it be? We will need to wait for Seran's input for the answer to that question.

[Keller]

Of course it's not a big deal, why would it be? We will need to wait for Seran's input for the answer to that question.

It's an emotional reaction to the narcissism. The fact that a subset of Americans are proud of the narcissism aggravates that emotional reaction for some folks. It mostly just makes me depressed for the state of the Republic. But certain people get angry or melt down, as you put it.

[Tgo01]

It's an emotional reaction to the narcissism. The fact that a subset of Americans are proud of the narcissism aggravates that emotional reaction for some folks. It mostly just makes me depressed for the state of the Republic. But certain people get angry or melt down, as you put it.

No need to wait for Seran after all I guess. The crying has already begun!

[Keller]

No need to wait for Seran after all I guess. The crying has already begun!

You asked a questions and I cogently answered your question.

You're spiking the football at the 45 yard line after a false start.

Grats?

[Neveragain]

Watching Democrats melt down because the relief checks will have Trump's signature on them is awesome.

Both sides are rather pathetic. It's like witnessing the reenactment of Commodus fighting with the senate over who gets to take credit for delivering the grain that was supposed to arrive weeks ago.

[Tgo01]

Both sides are rather pathetic. It's like witnessing the reenactment of Commodus fighting with the senate over who gets to take credit for delivering the grain that was supposed to arrive weeks ago.

Honestly I hadn't even heard about Trump's name being on the checks until I started see the flood of tears all over social media.

I doubt anyone would have noticed or even given it a second thought if it weren't for people just looking for something to complain about.

[Neveragain]

Honestly I hadn't even heard about Trump's name being on the checks until I started see the flood of tears all over social media.

I doubt anyone would have noticed or even given it a second thought if it weren't for people just looking for something to complain about.

He first mentioned it a week or so ago, it was just drowned out by all the other political grandstanding.

[Tgo01]

The gestapo in Raleigh, NC are arresting protesters because protesting has been deemed as "non essential."

Imagine the irony of that? "We are closing your business, taking away your job, stripping you of your rights, and forcing you to stay home. Oh and don't bother protesting about it because we have outlawed protesting too."

You'll never guess which political party the mayor of Raleigh belongs to. Anyone?

[beldannon5]

I am going to say the Democratic party

[Tgo01]

I am going to say the Democratic party

How did you know?! :O

[Fortybox]

His/her/it can't infect you with stupidity though.. and thankfully, he/she/it probably can't/won't reproduce, so the stupidity gene that has plagued her family tree will die with her/him/it

It could mutate and spread to others though. Look at Seranwrap.

[Seran]

A road too far. Hope this one doesn't become law


PITTSBURGH (KDKA) — Two House Democrats have introduced legislation that would give millions of Americans $2,000 per month during the coronavirus pandemic. The new bill is called the Emergency Money for the People Act.

https://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2020/04/15/emergency-money-for-the-people-act-stimulus-bill/

[Tgo01]

A road too far. Hope this one doesn't become law



https://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2020/04/15/emergency-money-for-the-people-act-stimulus-bill/

Fuck that shit. If the federal government and my state government don't have concrete plans in place by May 1st to open up the economy then I just might lose my shit. Enough is fucking enough already. These fuckers already planning on this dragging out for months? The fuck is wrong with everyone?

The Democrats in both chambers in the state legislature in PA rejected plans for the governor to start looking to reopen the economy, saying Republicans care more about the economy than public health. Read that again, THIS WAS JUST FOR PLANS TO REOPEN THE ECONOMY. As in the Democrats don't even want the government to even LOOK into POSSIBLY opening up the economy yet!!

[Parkbandit]

It mostly just makes me depressed


https://images.apester.com/user-images%2Fe3%2Fe369c9f23a7ba2af62d5e5b97e91b744.gif/undefined/undefined/undefined

[Risen]

The gestapo in Raleigh, NC are arresting protesters because protesting has been deemed as "non essential."

Imagine the irony of that? "We are closing your business, taking away your job, stripping you of your rights, and forcing you to stay home. Oh and don't bother protesting about it because we have outlawed protesting too."

You'll never guess which political party the mayor of Raleigh belongs to. Anyone?

You are slipping, Tgo01! You missed the immediate tie back to "right to gather in peaceful assembly".

[Gelston]

Fuck that shit. If the federal government and my state government don't have concrete plans in place by May 1st to open up the economy then I just might lose my shit.

And do what? Post more on the PC? Send letters to your reps that they don't read? Cancel Dreavenings? There really isn't a goddamn thing you can do about it.

[Tgo01]

You are slipping, Tgo01! You missed the immediate tie back to "right to gather in peaceful assembly".

Darn right!


And do what? Post more on the PC? Send letters to your reps that they don't read? Cancel Dreavenings? There really isn't a goddamn thing you can do about it.

I'm still gonna lose my shit regardless.

[Alfster]

So a normal day

[Tgo01]

So a normal day

Well it's not exactly whining because Trump's names will be on checks but perhaps comparable.

[Archigeek]

Well it's not exactly whining because Trump's names will be on checks but perhaps comparable.

Hey, Trump's name on a check, you'll feel just like a porn star!

[Alfster]

Well it's not exactly whining because Trump's names will be on checks but perhaps comparable.

It's unacceptable that there was a delay because pelosi and Schumer played politics.

It's totally cool there's a delay because Trump's name need to be on the check.

I can't imagine living in your intentionally ignorant world.

[Tgo01]

It's totally cool there's a delay because Trump's name need to be on the check.

I can't imagine living in your intentionally ignorant world.

What I can't imagine is falling for fake news again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again.

But yet you keep doing it.

[Neveragain]

It's unacceptable that there was a delay because pelosi and Schumer played politics.

It's totally cool there's a delay because Trump's name need to be on the check.

I can't imagine living in your intentionally ignorant world.

Never mind that the IRS already stated the signature didn't cause a delay. It literally would have taken 5 minutes to add the electronic signature to the printer output data.

Perhaps learn2code?

[Parkbandit]

It's unacceptable that there was a delay because pelosi and Schumer played politics.

It's totally cool there's a delay because Trump's name need to be on the check.

I can't imagine living in your intentionally ignorant world.

How many days was it delayed due to Pelosi and Schumer.. vs. Trump getting his name on the check?

Be specific. Compare the two.

Intentionally ignorant world indeed.

[Fortybox]

It's unacceptable that there was a delay because pelosi and Schumer played politics.

It's totally cool there's a delay because Trump's name need to be on the check.

I can't imagine living in your intentionally ignorant world.

There is no delay for putting Trump's name on the check.

[Solkern]

Fuck that shit. If the federal government and my state government don't have concrete plans in place by May 1st to open up the economy then I just might lose my shit. Enough is fucking enough already. These fuckers already planning on this dragging out for months? The fuck is wrong with everyone?

The Democrats in both chambers in the state legislature in PA rejected plans for the governor to start looking to reopen the economy, saying Republicans care more about the economy than public health. Read that again, THIS WAS JUST FOR PLANS TO REOPEN THE ECONOMY. As in the Democrats don't even want the government to even LOOK into POSSIBLY opening up the economy yet!!


Because the economy shouldn’t be open, not anytime soon. We have 400m people in this country, 3m have been tested, 500k+ are infected. 25k dead. If you run those numbers that’s a 5% death rate from confirmed cases..... that’s terrible... fucking terrible!

How can you possibly demand a concrete plan to reopen the economy, when we don’t know anything about how seriously spread this virus is? When we hadn’t and still don’t have a plan, to combat this virus?

You have cases like what happened in Florida during spring break, where people didn’t give a shit, you had a pastor who refused the lock down order, gets Covid19 and dies, oh the irony in that.

We have people on these forums saying “open the economy, let’s get back to work!” Ok great, let’s imagine we opened the economy too soon, fuck it. Your wife dies because she contracted covid19 while working at her non-essential job because someone there was Asymptomatic. Are you going to come here and be like my wife died, but deaths were going to happen! Are you going to blame someone else for her death? The democrats? Trump? Republicans? Yourself?

We have a HIGHLY contagious pandemic, that from the reports, heard immunity doesn’t work as people are becoming infected again after having it.

It’s a very difficult balancing act of public health during an awful pandemic and our economy. But killing American citizens who have spouses, children, people who rely on them, dying as a side effect, of getting the economy moving, isn’t acceptable.

I understand we feel our rights are being violated. But sometimes you need to sacrifice things(on the short term) for the betterment of our society, and the health of our country and our citizens.

I’ve been hit extremely hard by this virus, I want the economy opened as well.... but I prefer that the health of myself, and my family are safe.

From all the news I read, it’s just a blame game, and even here on these forums.... the democrats didn’t do that, Trump and the republicans didn’t do this. EVERYONE fucking failed in this situation.

Like Fauci said “You don’t set the timeline for this virus, the virus sets the timeline.”

[Neveragain]

The Senate should either fulfill its duty and vote on my nominees or it should formally adjourn so that I can make recess appointments... if the House will not agree to that adjournment I will exercise my constitutional authority to adjourn both chambers ~ God Emperor Trump

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dx3hrbZWsAAysTv.jpg

[Tgo01]

How can you possibly demand a concrete plan to reopen the economy, when we don’t know anything about how seriously spread this virus is? When we had and still don’t have a plan, to combat this virus?

Easy. OPEN UP THE DAMN ECONOMY. Done.


You have cases like what happened to Florida, where people don’t give a shit

Florida for some reason gets a lot of shit yet they are doing among the best of all the states. Going by per capita they are 21st in number of cases 23 in number of deaths.


you have a pastor who refused the lock down order, gets Covid19 and dies, oh the irony in that.

Literal fake news. On the last service he held he asked people to practice social distancing and hand washing guidelines and the very next day the governor implemented the shelter in place orders which the pastor followed.


We have people on these forums saying “open the economy, let’s get back to work!” Ok great, let’s imagine we opened the economy too soon, fuck it. Your wife dies because she contracted covid19 while working at her non-essential job because someone there was Asymptomatic. Are you going to come here and be like my wife died, but deaths were going to happen! Are you going to blame someone else for her death? The democrats? Trump? Republicans? Yourself?

This is just pure fear mongering. What's the solution then? We wait until the documented number of people reaches zero then give it another 3 weeks just in case? After all if there are only 100 infected people in this country of 320 million well then they might infect someone who gets sick and dies. So I guess we're all just fucked until sometime in the year 2022. Well not really because our entire system of moving food and supplies will have fallen apart long before then.


We have a HIGHLY contagious pandemic, that from the reports, heard immunity doesn’t work as people are becoming infected again after having it.

Bullshit. Those cases are either false positive or false negatives or it's the same infection flaring up again. There have been no definitive cases where the same person has 100% for sure gotten infected again.


It’s a very difficult balancing act of public health during an awful pandemic and our economy. But killing American citizens who have spouses, children, people who rely on them, dying as a side effect, of getting the economy moving, isn’t acceptable.

Does this go for every single virus from this point forward? Or is this just a special case? Why is it acceptable when 30-60k+ Americans die to the flu every year but so far 28k is just 28k too many?


I understand we feel our rights are being violated. But sometimes you need to sacrifice things(on the short term) for the betterment of our society, and the health of our country and our citizens.

Short term IS 6 weeks. What do YOU consider "short term"?

[Tgo01]

To anyone out there who keeps saying we need to keep the economy closed to save lives, how many suicides from the forced shut down are you comfortable with? (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/recession-linked-to-more-than-10000-suicides-in-north-america-europe/)

A research study showed that more than 10,000 suicides across North America and Europe could be linked to the recession of 2009.

And the recession of 2009 is fucking child's play compared to what this forced shutdown is doing to people. Over the span of the entire recession of 3 years the US lost 8 million job, so far we have lost around 23 million jobs in just the past 2 months and it's a pretty safe bet that a lot of those jobs aren't coming back and an even safer bet that the number of people losing their jobs will continue to increase the longer this goes on.

So tell me, how many suicides is acceptable to keep your shutdown going? How many careers destroyed forever is acceptable to you? How many businesses and the jobs they create disappearing forever is acceptable to you? How many drug addicts created is acceptable to you? How many lives ruined is acceptable to you?

Tell me how much government mandated devastation is acceptable to you?

Also note I'm not saying we just immediately go back to pretending nothing ever happened. I think everyone should be wearing masks, everyone should be social distancing whenever possible, washing their hands, all of those other guidelines. But I think we can do all of that AND have an open economy. Well maybe not NYC, NYC is still pretty fucked and should be shut down for a while longer, but the rest of the country is actually doing pretty well.

[Tgo01]

April 14th:
26,945 cases, up 304 from April 13th but still basically flat.
2,407 deaths, up 872 from April 13th but that was expected.

NY and NJ made up 44% of new cases and 48% of new deaths.

April 15th:
30,204 cases, up 4,159 from April 14th.
2,482 deaths, up 75 from April 14th.

The cases ticked up a bit but NY alone accounted for 4,057 of those cases. Every other state either had a slight increase in cases, a slight decrease, or stayed about the same. Even NJ had their number of cases drop from 4,240 on April 14th to 2,206 on April 15th.

And as always NY and NJ accounted for 46% of the new cases and 45% of the new deaths.

[Fortybox]

Nice, now it's looking like the virus came from a China lab. Lovely.

[Tgo01]

Nice, now it's looking like the virus came from a China lab. Lovely.

Yeah I heard that guy from Fox say that at the press briefing and then saw an article about it but they also just quoted Fox as saying they heard from several sources.

I'm curious to see if more outlets pick up on this and for more information to come out.

It would figure though after everyone, especially China, shit all over our politicians who even just questioned if it's possible the virus came from a lab in China and they were all ridiculed and labeled as conspiracy theorists. If this turns out to be true I wonder how many apologies they will receive. I'm thinking the number will be less than 1.

[Risen]

Oh, well now it's all clear why China says a US Soldier brought it into China.

[Archigeek]

Nice, now it's looking like the virus came from a China lab. Lovely.

https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-not-human-made-in-lab.html

According to this article in Live Science, it is unlikely that it came from a lab.

[Fortybox]

https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-not-human-made-in-lab.html

According to this article in Live Science, it is unlikely that it came from a lab.

That link is from a month ago. The sources aren't necessarily saying this was manufactured but likely due to sloppy practice/containment while doing research.

[Tgo01]

https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-not-human-made-in-lab.html

According to this article in Live Science, it is unlikely that it came from a lab.

That's an old article talking about the virus being created in a lab. What's being reported on now isn't that the virus was necessarily created, but rather that China was studying the virus (who knows if they created it or just discovered it) so they could prove to the world that they could research viruses and come up with cures and vaccines better than the US.

The story just broke like a couple hours ago from what I understand and so far it's all anonymous sources so I'm still wary, but it will be interesting to see the documents that supposedly exist.

[Archigeek]

https://www.keloland.com/keloland-com-original/south-dakota-meatpacking-plant-becomes-the-number-one-hotspot-in-america/?utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook_KELOLAND_News&fbclid=IwAR1GMWNxoVqDUKR5P7HYJAHQ-VJRqrN4uEUS8c-agz48AfNsTwiau0KRTU0

Yikes. 644 cases now at that meat packing plant in South Dakota.

[Tgo01]

Analysts in the pork industry say that due to closures the pork supply in the US might dry up within a few weeks.

An owner of large chicken farms said they have to kill 2 million chickens because demand is drying up.

Now farmers are having to destroy entire fields of crops and are warning there will be a shortage of produce in a couple of months and prices will go up.

I think this is a big point people miss in all of this. It's easy to sit home when there is plenty of food in the stores, but this shit can't last forever. Eventually we are going to run out of food like this.

[Fortybox]

https://www.keloland.com/keloland-com-original/south-dakota-meatpacking-plant-becomes-the-number-one-hotspot-in-america/?utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook_KELOLAND_News&fbclid=IwAR1GMWNxoVqDUKR5P7HYJAHQ-VJRqrN4uEUS8c-agz48AfNsTwiau0KRTU0

Yikes. 644 cases now at that meat packing plant in South Dakota.

Oh dear....omgomgomgomg. We need to like close the country until 2030!!

https://media.giphy.com/media/fSXM2LHgs4g3FgSu2e/giphy.gif

[Stolis]

Analysts in the pork industry say that due to closures the pork supply in the US might dry up within a few weeks.

An owner of large chicken farms said they have to kill 2 million chickens because demand is drying up.

Now farmers are having to destroy entire fields of crops and are warning there will be a shortage of produce in a couple of months and prices will go up.

I think this is a big point people miss in all of this. It's easy to sit home when there is plenty of food in the stores, but this shit can't last forever. Eventually we are going to run out of food like this.

For chickens being in low demand according to him, I can't find eggs or chicken in stores at all when I go. Maybe just shift to selling in my area chicken man.

[Tgo01]

For chickens being in low demand according to him, I can't find eggs or chicken in stores at all when I go. Maybe just shift to selling in my area chicken man.

Where do you live?

I've heard a few people say there are still shortages of some stuff where they live but after the initial 2 or 3 weeks rush of everyone panic buying the stores in my area have largely returned to normal. Making me wonder if in some areas people are still panic buying or if it's a sign to come for my area.

They even had plenty of disinfecting wipes the last time I went shopping. About the only things I didn't see were hand sanitizer and gloves, thankfully I stocked up on both before things went to shit.

[Parkbandit]

Because the economy shouldn’t be open, not anytime soon. We have 400m people in this country, 3m have been tested, 500k+ are infected. 25k dead. If you run those numbers that’s a 5% death rate from confirmed cases..... that’s terrible... fucking terrible!

How can you possibly demand a concrete plan to reopen the economy, when we don’t know anything about how seriously spread this virus is? When we hadn’t and still don’t have a plan, to combat this virus?

You have cases like what happened in Florida during spring break, where people didn’t give a shit, you had a pastor who refused the lock down order, gets Covid19 and dies, oh the irony in that.

We have people on these forums saying “open the economy, let’s get back to work!” Ok great, let’s imagine we opened the economy too soon, fuck it. Your wife dies because she contracted covid19 while working at her non-essential job because someone there was Asymptomatic. Are you going to come here and be like my wife died, but deaths were going to happen! Are you going to blame someone else for her death? The democrats? Trump? Republicans? Yourself?

We have a HIGHLY contagious pandemic, that from the reports, heard immunity doesn’t work as people are becoming infected again after having it.

It’s a very difficult balancing act of public health during an awful pandemic and our economy. But killing American citizens who have spouses, children, people who rely on them, dying as a side effect, of getting the economy moving, isn’t acceptable.

I understand we feel our rights are being violated. But sometimes you need to sacrifice things(on the short term) for the betterment of our society, and the health of our country and our citizens.

I’ve been hit extremely hard by this virus, I want the economy opened as well.... but I prefer that the health of myself, and my family are safe.

From all the news I read, it’s just a blame game, and even here on these forums.... the democrats didn’t do that, Trump and the republicans didn’t do this. EVERYONE fucking failed in this situation.

Like Fauci said “You don’t set the timeline for this virus, the virus sets the timeline.”

Instead of these big posts.. maybe you should tell us another story. Keep us entertained by being an international man of intrigue!

[Methais]

N.Y.C. Death Toll Soars Past 10,000 in Revised Virus Count (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/14/nyregion/new-york-coronavirus-deaths.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur)



Fuck this. Right when we started having some good news in both new cases AND new deaths NYC suddenly pulls 3700 MORE deaths out of their asses because they were "presumed" to have died from the Wuhan virus.

I'm sure it's just a coincidence this was reported a day after both the president and governors started discussing possibly opening up the economy soon.

https://i.imgur.com/ssREgxI.jpg

[Fortybox]

https://i.imgur.com/ssREgxI.jpg

:lol:

[Methais]

You're pro socialism now?

I'm anti-income tax, so give me some of it back, cunts.

[Tgo01]

https://i.imgur.com/ssREgxI.jpg

I love it.

[Archigeek]

The challenge for ag, especially big ag, is shifting markets. It's not like we've stopped eating, it's that who prepares the food and who buys it has changed. If you've gotten yourself sunk into just one market, you've always run at higher risk if your one market has problems, and that's what has happened. If you sell to wholesalers who sell to restaurants, your market just shrunk a whole bunch. Smaller farmers, who are more likely to be selling to multiple markets, and selling a good percentage of their goods direct to consumers are doing much better, and in some cases are selling out. Smart farmers are figuring out how to shift who they sell to.

[Tgo01]

The challenge for ag, especially big ag, is shifting markets. It's not like we've stopped eating, it's that who prepares the food and who buys it has changed. If you've gotten yourself sunk into just one market, you've always run at higher risk if your one market has problems, and that's what has happened. If you sell to wholesalers who sell to restaurants, your market just shrunk a whole bunch. Smaller farmers, who are more likely to be selling to multiple markets, and selling a good percentage of their goods direct to consumers are doing much better, and in some cases are selling out. Smart farmers are figuring out how to shift who they sell to.

That's what I was thinking too but like Stolis said if there is a shortage in his area and presumably other areas then why didn't they just sell those 2 million chickens to those areas? I guess maybe it takes time to sell to new markets and you can't just flip a switch and start sending millions of chickens to those areas.

[Methais]

You've failed to read my post, again. Businesses can still take orders and ship, just as most states are allowing restaurants to do takeout and curbside. Also, bailouts aren't enumerated in the Constitution

Neither is income tax but here we are.

Besides, how are trans women supposed to get their balls waxed online?

[Keller]

For chickens being in low demand according to him, I can't find eggs or chicken in stores at all when I go. Maybe just shift to selling in my area chicken man.

Restaurant supply stores and local farms are the way to go. We've been getting everything we need that is sold out at local super markets (flour, produce, meat) from our local Gordon Food Services and a couple of local farms.

The problem is not a shortage of food.

The problem is our supply chains can't adjust fast enough.

[Methais]

There's a bit of pigeon-holing, admittedly. Take into consideration winter tourism destinations. Vale, Tahoe, etc. Half of those businesses are closed six months out of the year, yet their business models account for no income during the off season. Here it's barely been a month since most states ordered shelter in place, yet you'd think the nation had been shutdown for half the year.

It's as if you're just too stupid to understand the difference between those tourist places knowing about 6 months of the year being dry and building their model around it vs. daily operations of a "normal" business being shut down by the government unexpectedly due to a worldwide plague that caught the entire world by surprise, thanks in no small part to China and WHO being so full of shit for months about it.

It's pretty incredible that you really are too dumb to understand the differences. Not surprising considering how dumb you've already shown everyone you are, but still pretty incredible.

[Neveragain]

https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1250647869352181760

This is epic.

CNN straight up lying about Elon Musk, Elon brings the receipts.

[Methais]

Almost a coherent sentence there, congratulations.

Seemed pretty coherent to me. Perhaps you just suck at reading.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I had to go to the IRS website to fill out my direct deposit info, because I pay taxes every year and don't get a refund. Was really pretty easy to fill out.

[Methais]

I see you're just as crazy as ever.

Also that your understanding of the Constitution has not improved in any significant way

Go shave your armpits already for fuck's sake.

[Stolis]

Where do you live?

I've heard a few people say there are still shortages of some stuff where they live but after the initial 2 or 3 weeks rush of everyone panic buying the stores in my area have largely returned to normal. Making me wonder if in some areas people are still panic buying or if it's a sign to come for my area.

They even had plenty of disinfecting wipes the last time I went shopping. About the only things I didn't see were hand sanitizer and gloves, thankfully I stocked up on both before things went to shit.

FL. It really is item dependent. Some stores have items, some don't. I found last trip to Costco everything I needed, but chicken. Could have just been time of day and luck, but it seems it's been over and over that chicken and eggs are the tough ones to find. Ground beef and the like are a coin toss, but lucky I keep a deep freezer with that stuff when I see it on sale so it's not a disaster to find. Like anything else, I just grumble and be patient and try the next store on the way home.

[Stolis]

Kinda following up on my own comment, I do get that there is a giant difference between selling to restaurants vs selling to stores, and that those transitions aren't overnight things. I'm not sure if that is a flaw in the system or just welcome to contracts and the like

[Tgo01]

Looks like the small business loan program is out of money because Democrats didn't want to fund it further because they are using it as leverage to get more of their special interests passed.

[Methais]

It's an emotional reaction to the narcissism. The fact that a subset of Americans are proud of the narcissism aggravates that emotional reaction for some folks. It mostly just makes me depressed for the state of the Republic. But certain people get angry or melt down, as you put it.

It's not so much being proud of the narcissism as it is being entertained by the ultra predictable meltdowns from the left whenever Trump does literally anything at all because the left takes the bait 100% of the time. Probably because humor is a foreign concept to most of them, like the time4funs on the left.

Whether you believe it's appropriate or not is another argument, but even you have to admit the left takes the bait constantly.

[Seran]

Looks like the small business loan program is out of money because Democrats didn't want to fund it further because they are using it as leverage to get more of their special interests passed.

I'm sure the Republicans are gnashing at their teeth because their favorite Michelin rated restaurants aren't getting the bulk of funds too. $20M for Ruth Chris' Steakhouse? Really?

If Congress as a whole were serious about helping actual small, mom and pop businesses, they'd pass another $250B and limit, half of it earmarked for single location, non-franchise operations, the other half for businesses with fewer than 100 full time equivalent employees.

[ClydeR]

As U.S. discouraged mask use for public, White House team raced to secure face coverings from Taiwan for senior staff

More... (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/as-us-discouraged-mask-use-for-public-white-house-team-raced-to-secure-face-coverings-from-taiwan-for-senior-staff/2020/04/15/27d815d2-7ac5-11ea-a130-df573469f094_story.html)


Remember when I said if there were enough masks for everybody, they would admit that we needed them? Looks like they knew we needed masks and were saving them for themselves.

[Wrathbringer]

It's not so much being proud of the narcissism as it is being entertained by the ultra predictable meltdowns from the left whenever Trump does literally anything at all because the left takes the bait 100% of the time. Probably because humor is a foreign concept to most of them, like the time4funs on the left.

Whether you believe it's appropriate or not is another argument, but even you have to admit the left takes the bait constantly.

This is correct.

[Wrathbringer]

Remember when I said if there were enough masks for everybody, they would admit that we needed them? Looks like they knew we needed masks and were saving them for themselves.

Good, good... Let the butthurt flow through you...

[Tgo01]

Prosecutors in St. Louis are now allowing attempted murderers to roam free with no charges being filed against them. (https://www.kmov.com/news/police-union-stunned-no-charges-filed-in-cwe-shooting-caught-on-tape/article_3b1b433e-7f62-11ea-9c43-93c553b5360f.html?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=user-share)

Glad I don't live in a major Democrat run shit hole during this shit.

[Archigeek]

That's what I was thinking too but like Stolis said if there is a shortage in his area and presumably other areas then why didn't they just sell those 2 million chickens to those areas? I guess maybe it takes time to sell to new markets and you can't just flip a switch and start sending millions of chickens to those areas.

The supply chain for groceries is a different supply chain than the one for restaurants. Take a big company like US Foods that supplies tons of restaurants and schools and other institutions, much of their business has evaporated. Meanwhile, all of the big retail grocery store chains have their own distribution systems, and are doing everything they can to keep up with demand. Some of them also process, or even grow their own food. Costco for example raises their own chickens for the rotisserie, and makes their own hot dogs for the food service in front.

The other factor is that Covid19 protocols probably slow production somewhat, as would a full on contamination problem like at the Smithfield plant.

Find a local farmer and buy from them, that's my suggestion.

[Risen]

Well, shit. This isn't helpful.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-usa-military-sympt/coronavirus-clue-most-cases-aboard-u-s-aircraft-carrier-are-symptom-free-idUSKCN21Y2GB

[Methais]

I'm still gonna lose my shit regardless.

http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?15581

[Methais]

Hey, Trump's name on a check, you'll feel just like a porn star!

I've always been randomly curious but was too lazy to *ask...why don't you use Lich?

*Or create a thread for people obsessed with why Kerl doesn't use Lich.

[Risen]

And it appears that Worldometer has implemented the CDC standard permitting 'probable' deaths to be reported. Details at link at the bottom.

This occurred sometime around 1700 GMT today. Deaths as reported in the US surged by a total 4850 while today's reported increase was carried at +902 leaving a delta of 172. The details also indicate that the total cases likewise were logically increased by the like amount. At this point we lose visibility to the information as it was being tracked before.

At 1432 GMT today:

World deaths / total cases = 6.5%
US deaths / total cases = 4.43%

At 1702 GMT today:

World deaths / total cases = 6.7%
US deaths / total cases = 5.12%
(adjusted - 3776 us deaths from NY, leaving total cases as reported) = 29714 / 654343 = 4.54%

These numbers will of course only increase, but there is no longer a reasonable way to be sure we're counting apples instead of frapples. I'm not even sure all of NY's deaths were added, and which states also followed the guidelines from the link below. I am keenly frustrated and hope to encourage Worldometers to exclude probable as one line of analysis so the previous trend can continue to be reviewed.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/us-data/

[Tgo01]

Apparently Pelosi is waiting for an "offer" from Mnuchin before she will approve of more funding for the small business loans.

Yes you read that right. Helping Americans isn't enough, Pelosi literally needs something for herself before she will agree to help desperate Americans.

How does this bitch stay in power? Oh, right, a Democrat in deep blue California. She could literally take a shit all over starving Americans and the Democrats would call her stunning and brave.

[Methais]

Because the economy shouldn’t be open, not anytime soon. We have 400m people in this country, 3m have been tested, 500k+ are infected. 25k dead. If you run those numbers that’s a 5% death rate from confirmed cases..... that’s terrible... fucking terrible!

How can you possibly demand a concrete plan to reopen the economy, when we don’t know anything about how seriously spread this virus is? When we hadn’t and still don’t have a plan, to combat this virus?

You have cases like what happened in Florida during spring break, where people didn’t give a shit, you had a pastor who refused the lock down order, gets Covid19 and dies, oh the irony in that.

We have people on these forums saying “open the economy, let’s get back to work!” Ok great, let’s imagine we opened the economy too soon, fuck it. Your wife dies because she contracted covid19 while working at her non-essential job because someone there was Asymptomatic. Are you going to come here and be like my wife died, but deaths were going to happen! Are you going to blame someone else for her death? The democrats? Trump? Republicans? Yourself?

We have a HIGHLY contagious pandemic, that from the reports, heard immunity doesn’t work as people are becoming infected again after having it.

It’s a very difficult balancing act of public health during an awful pandemic and our economy. But killing American citizens who have spouses, children, people who rely on them, dying as a side effect, of getting the economy moving, isn’t acceptable.

I understand we feel our rights are being violated. But sometimes you need to sacrifice things(on the short term) for the betterment of our society, and the health of our country and our citizens.

I’ve been hit extremely hard by this virus, I want the economy opened as well.... but I prefer that the health of myself, and my family are safe.

From all the news I read, it’s just a blame game, and even here on these forums.... the democrats didn’t do that, Trump and the republicans didn’t do this. EVERYONE fucking failed in this situation.

Like Fauci said “You don’t set the timeline for this virus, the virus sets the timeline.”

Yes let's just wait another 6 months to reopen. What could go wrong?

[Risen]

Yes let's just wait another 6 months to reopen. What could go wrong?

I need a gif! Or at least, that's what I understand from feedback.

[Archigeek]

I've always been randomly curious but was too lazy to *ask...why don't you use Lich?

*Or create a thread for people obsessed with why Kerl doesn't use Lich.

Your piqued interest is a clear indication that my plan for world domination is working!

[Methais]

Nice, now it's looking like the virus came from a China lab. Lovely.

They had to find some way to fight back in the trade war they've been getting clobbered in for the past few years.

[Astray]

I read a conspiracy that says it was a professor and some students that stole and released Corona from a lab. Shit's wack.

[Stolis]

I read a conspiracy that says it was a professor and some students that stole and released Corona from a lab. Shit's wack.

I heard a conspiracy that it was Time4Fun trying to teach virology to students and it involved an experiment and, "Trust me, I've taught to many a company and classroom..." but it was too late.

[Astray]

I heard a conspiracy that it was Time4Fun trying to teach virology to students and it involved an experiment and, "Trust me, I've taught to many a company and classroom..." but it was too late.

"It was just meant to be a virus that makes men lactate!"

[Stolis]

"It was just meant to be a virus that makes men lactate!"


"It was supposed to guarantee equal pay, equal rights!"

[Seran]

Apparently Pelosi is waiting for an "offer" from Mnuchin before she will approve of more funding for the small business loans.

Yes you read that right. Helping Americans isn't enough, Pelosi literally needs something for herself before she will agree to help desperate Americans.

How does this bitch stay in power? Oh, right, a Democrat in deep blue California. She could literally take a shit all over starving Americans and the Democrats would call her stunning and brave.

She is stunning, brave and the best Speaker of the House in decades. Speaker Ryan, failure, Limbaugh, resigned in shame.

Only a true leader could stand up to the atrocities committed by this President or seek to counter the separation of powers violation created by the weak and corrupt McConnell.

[Tgo01]

She is stunning, brave and the best Speaker of the House in decades. Speaker Ryan, failure, Limbaugh, resigned in shame.

Only a true leader could stand up to the atrocities committed by this President or seek to counter the separation of powers violation created by the weak and corrupt McConnell.

Poe's law in effect right here.

[Methais]

Your piqued interest is a clear indication that my plan for world domination is working!

World domination is impossible without Lich though.

IMPOSSIBLE!!!!!!!!111!

[Methais]

She is stunning, brave and the best Speaker of the House in decades. Speaker Ryan, failure, Limbaugh, resigned in shame.

Only a true leader could stand up to the atrocities committed by this President or seek to counter the separation of powers violation created by the weak and corrupt McConnell.

I thought this was an over the top sarcastic post, then I realized it was you posting it.

You're now officially more stupid than Backlash.

Grats on the big win, champ!

[Methais]

I think this was already posted here but I'm too lazy to check:

https://scontent.fbtr1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/s960x960/93695813_2712332732317958_6535189561482412032_o.jp g?_nc_cat=1&_nc_sid=da1649&_nc_ohc=OX1lL5BwsXgAX_P_kMP&_nc_ht=scontent.fbtr1-1.fna&_nc_tp=7&oh=e8a9a4287cd9521f04fab05e1350a03d&oe=5EBD78D0

https://media1.giphy.com/media/3o7btPCcdNniyf0ArS/giphy.gif

[Tgo01]

I think this was already posted here but I'm too lazy to check:

https://scontent.fbtr1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/s960x960/93695813_2712332732317958_6535189561482412032_o.jp g?_nc_cat=1&_nc_sid=da1649&_nc_ohc=OX1lL5BwsXgAX_P_kMP&_nc_ht=scontent.fbtr1-1.fna&_nc_tp=7&oh=e8a9a4287cd9521f04fab05e1350a03d&oe=5EBD78D0

https://media1.giphy.com/media/3o7btPCcdNniyf0ArS/giphy.gif

NY is just being dumb now. Apparently the Medicare is paying out 15% more if they treat people with the Wuhan virus so of course hospitals are gonna say people had the Wuhan virus.

[Stolis]

NY is just being dumb now. Apparently the Medicare is paying out 15% more if they treat people with the Wuhan virus so of course hospitals are gonna say people had the Wuhan virus.

This syncs back up with that interview with the Minnesota state senator who said the same thing. "Jensen then told Ingraham that under the CDC guidelines, a patient who died after being hit by a bus and tested positive for coronavirus would be listed as having presumed to have died from the virus regardless of whatever damage was caused by the bus." ""Right now Medicare has determined that if you have a COVID-19 admission to the hospital you’ll get paid $13,000. If that COVID-19 patient goes on a ventilator, you get $39,000; three times as much. Nobody can tell me, after 35 years in the world of medicine, that sometimes those kinds of things [have] impact on what we do."

If I recall, the doctor was called full of shit by a couple of people in here. Fast forward 7 days... Oh, here we are.

[Tgo01]

This syncs back up with that interview with the Minnesota state senator who said the same thing. "Jensen then told Ingraham that under the CDC guidelines, a patient who died after being hit by a bus and tested positive for coronavirus would be listed as having presumed to have died from the virus regardless of whatever damage was caused by the bus." ""Right now Medicare has determined that if you have a COVID-19 admission to the hospital you’ll get paid $13,000. If that COVID-19 patient goes on a ventilator, you get $39,000; three times as much. Nobody can tell me, after 35 years in the world of medicine, that sometimes those kinds of things [have] impact on what we do."

If I recall, the doctor was called full of shit by a couple of people in here. Fast forward 7 days... Oh, here we are.

It's just crazy. I'm not at all denying that people are dying from this virus, but NY just suddenly deciding to add almost 4k people in a single day, most of who weren't even tested for the virus. This shit has to be going on all over the country, especially considering hospitals are hurting for money right now.

[Tgo01]

U.N. warns economic downturn could kill hundreds of thousands of children in 2020 (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-children-un-idUSKBN21Y2X7?taid=5e98c49af87ad200016499dd&)


Hundreds of thousands of children could die this year due to the global economic downturn sparked by the coronavirus pandemic and tens of millions more could fall into extreme poverty as a result of the crisis, the United Nations warned on Thursday.

The world body also said in a risk report that nearly 369 million children across 143 countries who normally rely on school meals for a reliable source of daily nutrition have now been forced to look elsewhere.

Thanks, China!

[Tgo01]

The plan Trump outlined today is exactly what I was hoping for. He said some governors have expressed an interest in starting to open up their economies as soon as tomorrow, but that might have just been Trump's usual brand of exaggeration. We shall see though.

[Tgo01]

So now the Democrats are saying they are withholding additional funding for the small business loans so their employees can continue to get paid is because apparently states need bailouts now? So because the states shut down their own economies and thus will receive less tax revenue apparently the federal government is supposed to just give them money now? Like I get giving businesses and workers cash, after all the state government forced them to shut their businesses, but why is the federal government bailing out state governments now? This makes no sense.

Oh but the best part! Guess which 3 states in particular the Democrats are demanding money for? Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania. If those 3 states sound familiar it's because they're 3 the states that Trump won in 2016 that gave him the electoral college win and states he will most likely need to win again in 2020. So basically the Democrats are withholding funding for small businesses and their employees to secure funding for these 3 states in the hopes of winning favor of the voters so they will vote Democrat in the upcoming election, or hoping Republicans or Trump shoot down the idea so they can attack him in those 3 states for not giving the state funding. For fuck's sake, Trump was impeached for less than this shit for supposed election interference! This is just outright disgusting now.

So we can stop the bullshit that Democrats aren't using this crisis to further their political agenda, that is EXACTLY what they are doing. They are politicizing the fucking shit out of this crisis and they don't care how many people suffer as a result of their actions.

[Solkern]

Easy. OPEN UP THE DAMN ECONOMY. Done.



Florida for some reason gets a lot of shit yet they are doing among the best of all the states. Going by per capita they are 21st in number of cases 23 in number of deaths.



Literal fake news. On the last service he held he asked people to practice social distancing and hand washing guidelines and the very next day the governor implemented the shelter in place orders which the pastor followed.



This is just pure fear mongering. What's the solution then? We wait until the documented number of people reaches zero then give it another 3 weeks just in case? After all if there are only 100 infected people in this country of 320 million well then they might infect someone who gets sick and dies. So I guess we're all just fucked until sometime in the year 2022. Well not really because our entire system of moving food and supplies will have fallen apart long before then.



Bullshit. Those cases are either false positive or false negatives or it's the same infection flaring up again. There have been no definitive cases where the same person has 100% for sure gotten infected again.



Does this go for every single virus from this point forward? Or is this just a special case? Why is it acceptable when 30-60k+ Americans die to the flu every year but so far 28k is just 28k too many?



Short term IS 6 weeks. What do YOU consider "short term"?


Since I don’t know how to quote like you did, I’ll just number my responses based on yours.
1. Sure, open it up, and how many people will it take to die before you, and others decide it was the wrong decision?
Maybe opening the economy and everything will be ok is also a possibility, I’m not saying it isn’t. Are you willing to risk American lives to figure that out? How many people dying is it worth to you?

2. I wasn’t shitting on Florida, I was bringing up the video of people that went to Florida saying, I don’t give a shit if I get the virus.

3. Even according to Fox News, and every other news source, what I said was accurate.

4. You still didn’t answer my question. I’m not a health official, I’m not responsible for running this country, and I’m glad I don’t have that responsibility during this pandemic, but according to your post, you seem to know better, than everyone else. When should we open the economy? in my opinion, when we have wide spread reliable testing.

5. Fair enough, it’s bullshit. So since we don’t have reliable testing, and the infection is flaring up after people get it and are released from the hospital, you want to reopen the economy so these people spread it even more?

6. Point 1. Does this go for every virus going forward? Well that depends now doesn’t it? We knew about this virus in January, maybe earlier, yet we failed(Democrats and Republicans) to prepare our hospitals for it. If we prepared earlier for a pandemic that may or may not have come, we would have been in a much better situation than we are now, I’m sure you can agree to that. Sure, would our economy have suffered preparing for this virus? Maybe, but I’m sure it wouldn’t have been as bad as it is now.

Points 2. I don’t think I need to even dip into this flu/Covid19 comparison as pretty much every reputable doctor has said DO NOT compare them for a slew of reasons.

7. I don’t know exactly what short term is, yet you seem to know. I guess because short term for you is 6 weeks, it must be for everyone else as well?

[Tgo01]

Since I don’t know how to quote like you did, I’ll just number my responses based on yours.
1. Sure, open it up, and how many people will it take to die before you, and others decide it was the wrong decision?
Maybe opening the economy and everything will be ok is also a possibility, I’m not saying it isn’t. Are you willing to risk American lives to figure that out? How many people dying is it worth to you?

2. I wasn’t shitting on Florida, I was bringing up the video of people that went to Florida saying, I don’t give a shit if I get the virus.

3. Even according to Fox News, and every other news source, what I said was accurate.

4. You still didn’t answer my question. I’m not a health official, I’m not responsible for running this country, and I’m glad I don’t have that responsibility during this pandemic, but according to your post, you seem to know better, than everyone else. When should we open the economy? in my opinion, when we have wide spread reliable testing.

5. Fair enough, it’s bullshit. So since we don’t have reliable testing, and the infection is flaring up after people get it and are released from the hospital, you want to reopen the economy so these people spread it even more?

6. Point 1. Does this go for every virus going forward? Well that depends now doesn’t it? We knew about this virus in January, maybe earlier, yet we failed(Democrats and Republicans) to prepare our hospitals for it. If we prepared earlier for a pandemic that may or may not have come, we would have been in a much better situation than we are now, I’m sure you can agree to that.
Points 2. I don’t think I need to even dip into this flu/Covid19 comparison as pretty much every reputable doctor has said DO NOT compare them for a slew of reasons.

7. I don’t know exactly what short term is, yet you seem to know. I guess because short term for you is 6 weeks, it must be for everyone else as well?


To anyone out there who keeps saying we need to keep the economy closed to save lives, how many suicides from the forced shut down are you comfortable with? (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/recession-linked-to-more-than-10000-suicides-in-north-america-europe/)

A research study showed that more than 10,000 suicides across North America and Europe could be linked to the recession of 2009.

And the recession of 2009 is fucking child's play compared to what this forced shutdown is doing to people. Over the span of the entire recession of 3 years the US lost 8 million job, so far we have lost around 23 million jobs in just the past 2 months and it's a pretty safe bet that a lot of those jobs aren't coming back and an even safer bet that the number of people losing their jobs will continue to increase the longer this goes on.

So tell me, how many suicides is acceptable to keep your shutdown going? How many careers destroyed forever is acceptable to you? How many businesses and the jobs they create disappearing forever is acceptable to you? How many drug addicts created is acceptable to you? How many lives ruined is acceptable to you?

Tell me how much government mandated devastation is acceptable to you?

Also note I'm not saying we just immediately go back to pretending nothing ever happened. I think everyone should be wearing masks, everyone should be social distancing whenever possible, washing their hands, all of those other guidelines. But I think we can do all of that AND have an open economy. Well maybe not NYC, NYC is still pretty fucked and should be shut down for a while longer, but the rest of the country is actually doing pretty well.

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[Solkern]

Wait are you trying to compare suicides due to this lockdown, and the deaths from a pandemic, that people spread to others knowingly or Unknowingly, that could result in the deaths of tens of thousands? Where our health care workers are dying trying to save lives in hospitals that are overrun with people sick from this?
That’s comparing apples and oranges.

[Tgo01]

Wait are you trying to compare suicides due to this lockdown, and the deaths from a pandemic, that people spread to others knowingly or Unknowingly, that could result in the deaths of tens of thousands?
That’s comparing apples and oranges.

Why are deaths from suicide as a result of this lock down any different than deaths from the virus itself?

[Solkern]

Why are deaths from suicide as a result of this lock down any different than deaths from the virus itself?

I’m pretty sure I explained it, in my previous post.
If I kill myself, I kill myself. if I have this virus, I can potentially kill tens of thousands of people by spreading it.
That seems like a big difference to me.

[Tgo01]

I’m pretty sure I explained it, in my previous post.
If I kill myself, I kill myself. if I have this virus, I can potentially kill tens of thousands of people by spreading it.
That seems like a big difference to me.

So I guess the answer to my question: "how many suicides from the forced shut down are you comfortable with?" is apparently "infinity."

[Fortybox]

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Add deaths from domestic abuse and poverty to this list as well. It will exceed any death from the virus.

[Fortybox]

Wait are you trying to compare suicides due to this lockdown, and the deaths from a pandemic, that people spread to others knowingly or Unknowingly, that could result in the deaths of tens of thousands? Where our health care workers are dying trying to save lives in hospitals that are overrun with people sick from this?
That’s comparing apples and oranges.

People spread the flu all the time. We will likely have less deaths than the 2017-2018 flu season.

[Solkern]

So I guess the answer to my question: "how many suicides from the forced shut down are you comfortable with?" is apparently "infinity."

When did you ask this question to me?
So, answer my question, how many deaths from this coronavirus are you comfortable with as a direct effect from opening the economy? I guess it’s “infinity” as well
Like I said, there is no perfect solution to what’s happening. People are going to die, and suffer with whatever choice is made. I’m glad I don’t have to make that decision.

[Solkern]

Add deaths from domestic abuse and poverty to this list as well. It will exceed any death from the virus.

Really? I guess I can go that route as well. How many lives are we saving from all the drive by shootings and car accidents that aren’t happening? I’m sure it’s quite a lot.

[Fortybox]

When did you ask this question to me?
So, answer my question, how many deaths from this coronavirus are you comfortable with as a direct effect from opening the economy? I guess it’s “infinity” as well
Like I said, there is no perfect solution to what’s happening. People are going to die, and suffer with whatever choice is made. I’m glad I don’t have to make that decision.

You're acting like this is a serious illness. Sweden has remained open and has the same death rate as the US.

It's a fake pandemic and it's not a hard decision to make. Open the country back up.

[Solkern]

You're acting like this is a serious illness. Sweden has remained open and has the same death rate as the US.

It's a fake pandemic and it's not a hard decision to make. Open the country back up.

Are you comparing a country with 10m people and 7m people visiting a year, to a country of 400m and 80m people visiting yearly?

I’m acting like this is a serious illness, because it is a serious illness. You may not think it is. But all the top and reputable doctors say it is. I was in China during this pandemic, I experienced it in 4 countries. The world has shut down, yet you think they are doing this because it’s a fake pandemic?

[Tgo01]

When did you ask this question to me?

I asked it to you twice now, it was the first line in my post where I talk about suicides.


Like I said, there is no perfect solution to what’s happening. People are going to die, and suffer with whatever choice is made.

Yes, exactly. Point is no matter what we do people are going to die. I think the obvious conclusion is far more people are going to die and suffer if we keep the economy closed compared to if we keep it closed.

[Solkern]

I asked it to you twice now, it was the first line in my post where I talk about suicides.



Yes, exactly. Point is no matter what we do people are going to die. I think the obvious conclusion is far more people are going to die and suffer if we keep the economy closed compared to if we keep it closed.

I agree, that people are going to die, no matter what, but with your conclusion, I can’t agree with, as I don’t know. If we let this thing run wild, it could be Disastrous.

[Fortybox]

Are you comparing a country with 10m people and 7m people visiting a year, to a country of 400m and 80m people visiting yearly?

I’m acting like this is a serious illness, because it is a serious illness. You may not think it is. But all the top and reputable doctors say it is. I was in China during this pandemic, I experienced it in 4 countries. The world has shut down, yet you think they are doing this because it’s a fake pandemic?

Stop being retarded. Sweden isn't having deaths all over the place. It's actually very minor even in comparison to Norway, Denmark and Finland.

It's a fake pandemic.

[Solkern]

Stop being retarded. Sweden isn't having deaths all over the place. It's actually very minor even in comparison to Norway, Denmark and Finland.

It's a fake pandemic.


https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/

Doesn’t look like it’s good, or getting better.

10% death rate, yeah it’s not a problem.

Sure let’s apply those Statistics to America. 10% death rate. 400m people, 40m dead, that’s more than everyone in the state of Texas.

[Fortybox]

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/

Doesn’t look like it’s good, or getting better.

Oh dear. 1,333 deaths - omgomgomg like that means everyone in Sweden is dead!

https://media.tenor.com/images/cb9710f81165efa178f7188054275eaf/tenor.gif

[Tgo01]

North Carolina has been one of the least hit states in the country, for comparison they have a slightly larger population than Michigan yet only have a fifth of the number of cases. They are 41st in terms of the number of infected people per capita and 40th in terms of the number of people who have died per capita, yet the governor announced he doesn't even want to think about lifting restrictions until the states conducts more tests and does more contact tracing. So basically even though his state is doing really well it's STILL not good enough for him to even think about starting to open up his economy again.

Oh yeah, guess which political party he belongs to? That's right, the Democratic party.

When are Democrats going to put hating Trump second to helping their citizens in need?

[Solkern]

Those numbers are a little misleading. Out of confirmed cases. California has .069% of its population with confirmed coronavirus, while North Carolina has .055%

[Fortybox]

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/

Doesn’t look like it’s good, or getting better.

10% death rate, yeah it’s not a problem.

Sure let’s apply those Statistics to America. 10% death rate. 400m people, 40m dead, that’s more than everyone in the state of Texas.

LOL - it's not a 10% death rate. There are more people that have this virus with no symptoms than those identified. You cannot go by those figures and you know that.

[Tgo01]

North Carolina has been one of the least hit states in the country, for comparison they have a slightly larger population than Michigan yet only have a fifth of the number of cases. They are 41st in terms of the number of infected people per capita and 40th in terms of the number of people who have died per capita, yet the governor announced he doesn't even want to think about lifting restrictions until the states conducts more tests and does more contact tracing. So basically even though his state is doing really well it's STILL not good enough for him to even think about starting to open up his economy again.

Oh yeah, guess which political party he belongs to? That's right, the Democratic party.

When are Democrats going to put hating Trump second to helping their citizens in need?

Nevada is in a similar situation: 20th number of cases per capita and 18th number of deaths. Their Democratic governor says he has no plans at all to reopen even parts of the economy.

It's like it has become a contest between Democrat governors to see who can destroy their state's economy the fastest all while blaming it on Trump.

Literal terrorists. We would probably be better off allowing ISIS to fly our airplanes than to continue allowing Democrats to participate in politics.

Oh yeah and Cuomo says he's extending the current stay at home orders until May 15th and might extend them even longer than that, although at least NY makes somewhat sense doing that, but really they should quarantine NYC and let the rest of the state start recovering.

I can't wait to see what the governor of Michigan has planned for her state to one up other Democrat governors. I'm thinking she will shut down even more businesses, restrict even more products people can buy, and extend these orders until sometime in October.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Sure let’s apply those Statistics to America. 10% death rate. 400m people, 40m dead, that’s more than everyone in the state of Texas.

Do you think you wrote this in a rational state of mind? I mean, first of all, it's not 10% death rate, it's not 100% infection of every human in the US, and there are probably more than 40M people in Texas if you count the illegals.

[Solkern]

LOL - it's not a 10% death rate. There are more people that have this virus with no symptoms than those identified. You cannot go by those figures and you know that.


Thanks, so you can go by those numbers, yet, It’s LOL when I go by those same numbers you’re referencing?
And on top of that, you just confirmed that more people have it in Sweden than what is listed.

[Solkern]

Do you think you wrote this in a rational state of mind? I mean, first of all, it's not 10% death rate, it's not 100% infection of every human in the US, and there are probably more than 40M people in Texas if you count the illegals.


I wrote it, to throw out stupid information, like Fortybox. I know exactly what you mean.

[Neveragain]

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/

Doesn’t look like it’s good, or getting better.

10% death rate, yeah it’s not a problem.

Sure let’s apply those Statistics to America. 10% death rate. 400m people, 40m dead, that’s more than everyone in the state of Texas.

The infection rate in Sweden is .0012 of the population. You're math would = 1,000,000 dead Swedes.

P.S. I'm retarded

[Fortybox]

Thanks, so you can go by those numbers, yet, It’s LOL when I go by those same numbers you’re referencing?
And on top of that, you just confirmed that more people have it in Sweden than what is listed.

I know this is really hard for you to understand. See, Sweden didn't lock down their economy. Hardly anyone has died.

1.3K in a sea of 10MM people.

#fakepandemic ... get over it and open up our country.

[Fortybox]

Nevada is in a similar situation: 20th number of cases per capita and 18th number of deaths. Their Democratic governor says he has no plans at all to reopen even parts of the economy.

It's like it has become a contest between Democrat governors to see who can destroy their state's economy the fastest all while blaming it on Trump.

Literal terrorists. We would probably be better off allowing ISIS to fly our airplanes than to continue allowing Democrats to participate in politics.

Oh yeah and Cuomo says he's extending the current stay at home orders until May 15th and might extend them even longer than that, although at least NY makes somewhat sense doing that, but really they should quarantine NYC and let the rest of the state start recovering.

It's purposeful. The longer democratic governors can keep this charade going the more likely people will need more government assistance and grow angry at Trump.

[Fortybox]

I wrote it, to throw out stupid information, like Fortybox. I know exactly what you mean.

No you didn't.

[Solkern]

No you didn't.

Says the person trying to compare Sweden to America, and disregarding every single thing that is different between the two countries? Riiight.

[Fortybox]

Says the person trying to compare Sweden to America, and disregarding every single thing that is different between the two countries? Riiight.

My bad...I guess it's a different virus in Sweden than it is in the US. Guess we should remained close until like 2050.

[Solkern]

My bad...I guess it's a different virus in Sweden than it is in the US. Guess we should remained close until like 2050.

Thanks for reinforcing, how stupid your point is.


You should take notes from Tg01, he actually understands the shit he’s posting, and not spouting out retarded information.

[Fortybox]

Thanks for reinforcing, how stupid your point is.


You should take notes from Tg01, he actually understands the shit he’s posting, and not spouting out retarded information.

It's not a stupid point. Sweden didn't lock down their economy and is doing just fine.

A stupid point is making the conclusion that 40MM people in the US will die. That's like time4fun level retardation there.

[Solkern]

It's not a stupid point. Sweden didn't lock down their economy and is doing just fine.

A stupid point is making the conclusion that 40MM people in the US will die. That's like time4fun level retardation there.


No, comparing Sweden to America and only taking coronavirus cases into account, is Time4fun level retardation.

[Fortybox]

No, comparing Sweden to America and only taking coronavirus cases into account, is Time4fun level retardation.

No, it's not. Again, if this virus was as bad as some people are saying, Sweden should have been decimated. But it's not and you're wrong.

[Risen]

Stop being retarded. Sweden isn't having deaths all over the place. It's actually very minor even in comparison to Norway, Denmark and Finland.

It's a fake pandemic.

Sweden's been getting hammered these last few days. The herd immunity concept may not be serving as well as Sweden had hoped. Using death / total cases:

Sweden - 10.63% (1333 / 12540)
Denmark - 4.67% (321 / 6879)
Finland - 2.23% (75 / 3369)
Norway - 2.20% (152 / 6905)

[Risen]

I get the overwhelming desire to say "way more people have the virus but aren't confirmed cases". If the at risk population is mostly:

14.5% (47M plus) over 65
40% (20 and older 130M plus ) obese
12% (all ages 30M plus ) heart disease

Let's be really generous though, and drop the obesity number and halve the heart disease number as double counted in the elderly population. 62 million.

This is what is troubling me. I do want to see the situation returned to normal. But with such a large at risk population, it is hard to see. If there were any conceivable way to isolate between 62M and 207M at risk Americans, and let the balance of the population get on with life, I would be a rabid supporter.

What we need are ideas to make that happen, because otherwise the virus is going to dictate how things shake out, not the humans.

[Tgo01]

Holy shit! de Blasio is talking about keeping the city shutdown until AUGUST!

These Democrats are absolutely insane and out of control and are going to completely destroy our economy. I'm now almost sort of leaning towards all of these Democrats being paid Chinese operatives. The Chinese would love nothing more than for us to completely destroy our own economy so they can become the number 1 economic super power.

Guys, we get it, you're still upset that Satan herself lost an election in 2016, but it's time to get over it and stop fucking over hundreds of millions of Americans.

It's absolutely amazing how fast we went from "2 weeks to slow the spread", to "4 more weeks to flatten the curve", to "Okay 3, 4, maybe even 6+ months because we love the idea of having complete control over millions of people."

Didn't take long at all for Democrats to become complete tyrants. Took just one little virus and watching how quickly everyone fell in line behind their draconian bullshit. I called this over a week ago that I was more worried about Democrats attempting to maintain complete control over our lives than I was about the virus. Sometimes I hate being right all the time.

[Seran]

Holy shit! de Blasio is talking about keeping the city shutdown until AUGUST!

These Democrats are absolutely insane and out of control and are going to completely destroy our economy. I'm now almost sort of leaning towards all of these Democrats being paid Chinese operatives. The Chinese would love nothing more than for us to completely destroy our own economy so they can become the number 1 economic super power.

Guys, we get it, you're still upset that Satan herself lost an election in 2016, but it's time to get over it and stop fucking over hundreds of millions of Americans.

One moment your wetting your panties because NYC has more deaths than any other city, now your shitting your pants because Mayor de Blasio is acting responsible and engaging containment measures. Seriously, take your meds and go lay down.

[Tgo01]

One moment your wetting your panties because NYC has more deaths than any other city, now your shitting your pants because Mayor de Blasio is acting responsible and engaging containment measures. Seriously, take your meds and go lay down.

Again it's that Poe's Law at play here again.

But on a serious note I legit think we might be living through the end of this country as we know it if no one stops these out of control Democrats or they don't come to their senses.

Just how long do you people think the federal government can keep paying for the shit they were already paying for (defense, social security, Medicare, etc), paying people to NOT work, paying businesses to NOT operate, and now apparently paying states so they can cover their budget deficits? All the while receiving far less in revenue since no one is fucking working so no one is paying federal taxes? Eventually investors are going to see what a house of cards our entire economy is and stop buying up our debt.

[Voldemort]

I think I finally found tgo01

https://i.redd.it/g1pygzl5i8t41.jpg

[beldannon5]

august is not responsible seriously get a grip

[beldannon5]

nah that's mcguyver

[Tgo01]

august is not responsible seriously get a grip

For real. I can still see some restrictions being in place (masks in public and shit like that) lasting through August, shit maybe even until next year. But the entire fucking city on lock down until August? That is just absolutely insane. If by some miracle the citizens of NY haven't burned the city to the ground by August then the city will basically just be a shell anyways. What businesses are going to still be around by August? Who is going to return to NY to start up a business? Who is going to have any money to spend at businesses?

[Tgo01]

Oh yeah and how can I forget that Virginia already extended their stay at home order a couple weeks ago to last until June 10th. With NYC, Nevada, and North Carolina all losing their minds with these extended lock down orders I wonder if governor Blackface himself is going to try and one up them all and lock down the whole state until sometime in December.

[Risen]

I wonder if our president is going to borrow Southwest Airline's tagline in his speech.

[Risen]

For Fortybox, a long research article on influenza mortality rates. It touches on things like pandemic and non-pandemic, co-morbidity, rates of death and overcounting, shortfalls in various models used by the CDC, and some pretty good analysis. Overall it would seem Doshi is saying a lot of what you are, as early as 2009.

There's one small catch, if his numbers are accurate.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2374803/

[Tgo01]

Wisconsin's Democrat governor is extending they stay at home orders until May 26th.

However starting April 24th they are lifting business restrictions ever so slightly.

These include allowing non-essential businesses to basically have a skeleton crew.
Allowing golf courses to open but apparently they can't have any employees actually on site because the clubhouses and other assorted shops on golf courses have to remain closed and people can only pay for tee time online or via phone so that's kind of weird.
Exterior work such as lawn care can resume as only as the work can be done by ONE employee.

As far as I can tell that's literally it, everything else will remain shut down until May 26th.

I'm really curious if Republican governors are going to take these slow as shit approaches or if they are going to ramp things up just a smidgen faster.

[Fortybox]

Sweden's been getting hammered these last few days. The herd immunity concept may not be serving as well as Sweden had hoped. Using death / total cases:

Sweden - 10.63% (1333 / 12540)
Denmark - 4.67% (321 / 6879)
Finland - 2.23% (75 / 3369)
Norway - 2.20% (152 / 6905)

Risen: Says Sweden is getting hammered and then shows only 1,333 deaths.

Me: #fakepandemic

[Fortybox]

For Fortybox, a long research article on influenza mortality rates. It touches on things like pandemic and non-pandemic, co-morbidity, rates of death and overcounting, shortfalls in various models used by the CDC, and some pretty good analysis. Overall it would seem Doshi is saying a lot of what you are, as early as 2009.

There's one small catch, if his numbers are accurate.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2374803/

Just tell me what point you're trying to make here instead of throwing a link. Summarize.

[Bhaalizmo]

https://i.imgur.com/sa7OeFQ.png

[Parkbandit]

I was in China during this pandemic, I experienced it in 4 countries.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/f3/bc/d6/f3bcd6de398b92ab822345d1ce03adab.gif

I fucking love storytime. Tell us about the trip!

[Parkbandit]

You should take notes from Tg01, he actually understands the shit he’s posting, and not spouting out retarded information.

https://media2.giphy.com/media/tsgNNs93oIbwk/source.gif


Sure let’s apply those Statistics to America. 10% death rate. 400m people, 40m dead, that’s more than everyone in the state of Texas.

https://media.giphy.com/media/a4K7jjmwg0DyE/giphy.gif

[Parkbandit]

Mayor de Blasio is acting responsible and engaging containment measures.

https://i.imgur.com/wmnc6vI.gif

[Methais]

It's just crazy. I'm not at all denying that people are dying from this virus, but NY just suddenly deciding to add almost 4k people in a single day, most of who weren't even tested for the virus. This shit has to be going on all over the country, especially considering hospitals are hurting for money right now.

wHy R u DeNyInG tHaT pEoPlE aRe DyInG!?!?@?@?!?!@3/3/

[~Rocktar~]

Here is an interesting take on the death rates in the worst hit place in the US.

In summary, people are packed in like sardines both in living and transport (subway), the landing site for major airports so they get first dibs on infection with a lot of people that work at those airports to spread infection around and mass numbers are older and/or have other contributing conditions that make them vulnerable.


Death Inequality – Why was Queens Devastated by COVID-19?

By Dr. Georgios Syros April 16, 2020

Dr. Georgios Syros attempts to investigate the hot topic regarding why Queens suffered so much by the coronavirus. Dr. Syros is the Director of Cardiac Electrophysiology and Director of Cardiology Operations at Mt. Sinai Queens in Astoria; he reports that he has been exclusively seeing hospitalized COVID-19 patients for the past 3 weeks.

“All my colleagues, cardiologists, internists, etc. regardless of our specialty are in the front line and are helping to manage these patients”.

Below is what Dr. Syros reported to The National Herald.

Since the disease outbreak, it has become obvious that Queens was particularly plagued by COVID-19, something that was repeatedly confirmed by the NYS death statistics and analyses.

Why did this happen? Why was Queens overwhelmed by COVID-19 at the disease onset?

I firmly believe that the answer lies in the unique demographic characteristics of the Queens inhabitants, which I recently reviewed for a project I prepared for a Master’s in Health Administration and Leadership.

There are two factors that we need to examine:

Disease inoculation / seeding – how was the disease seeded in Queens?
Which factors contributed to disease spread?
Disease inoculation:

Ninety-six (96%) percent of all air transportation jobs are located in Queens since Queens is home to LGA and JFK. It is believed that Queens was exposed to the COVID-19 virus earlier compared to other Boroughs since a large fraction of the airport personnel resides there – with more than 60 million passengers travelling through these airport hubs annually, it is safe to assume that the personnel was exposed to the disease and readily carried it to the community.

The disease spread:

Ground transportation is the second largest employment sector in Queens (the first is healthcare). The borough accounts for 58 percent of all transportation jobs (including taxi/Uber/bus drivers, etc.). These people may have significantly contributed to disease spread.

Econometric and demographic data show that Queens is densely populated. If we compare the Attica prefecture in Greece, the City of Athens, and Queens the following table can be created:

Queens City of Athens Attica

Population 2,253,858 664.046 4.574.330
Surface area 280 km2 412 km2 3.808 km2
Density 8,049 / km2 1611/ km2 1201 / km2

It is obvious that Queens is more densely populated than Athens and this makes social distancing difficult, leading to disease spread and rapid disease dissemination causing hospital overcrowding.

In addition, the Queens population is susceptible to disease; the incidence of chronic disease is rising and the mean age has increased. Since 2000, residents aged 55 and over were the fastest-growing age group (rising by 31 percent). By 2016, Queens had more residents in this group than any other Borough, and their share of the population (27 percent) was the second largest after Staten Island. 15% of the population was above 65 years in 2018.

It is a well-known fact that COVID-19 is particularly lethal for the elderly – no wonder there were so many deaths in Queens compared to the other NYC boroughs at disease onset.

Of note, adult obesity in Queens was almost 24% in 2018 despite a good food environment index [this was 8.7 in 2018 – index of factors that contribute to a healthy food environment, 0 (worst) to 10 (best)]. It seems that the diabetes prevalence is 11%, slightly higher than the mean NY ranking of 10%. The fact that is causing concern is that the percentage of adults age 20 and over reporting no leisure-time physical activity is 28%, which is 3% higher than the NYS mean, although there is ready access to exercise opportunities (97% of the population has access to exercise opportunities). Ten percent of the people also smoke.

Obesity, diabetes, smoking and lack of physical activity (which is linked to obesity) lead to a weaker immune system and these all may be risk factors for increased morbidity and mortality due to COVID-19 in Queens. Ninety six percent of the people who died in Queens from COVID-19 had an established underlying disease.

A very important piece of data emerges when we analyze the pre-COVID clinical care that the average Queens patient received. Eleven percent of Queens patients are uninsured and most importantly the ratio of PCPs to patients is 1570:1, well above the Manhattan average. It seems that Queens inhabitants have reduced access to health care at baseline compared to other parts of NYC.

Sicker patients may be at higher risk for COVID-19 related deaths.

The percentage of households with at least one out of four housing problems: overcrowding, high housing costs, lack of kitchen facilities, or lack of plumbing facilities is 33% in Queens, which is significantly higher than the NYS average of 25% – it is a well-established fact that overcrowding and lack of social distancing is a major factor for COVID-19 spread.

About 18 percent of New York City residents (1.6 million adults) do not speak English proficiently. Low health literacy may inhibit people’s ability to perceive critical information, resulting in poor adherence to doctor’s recommendations leading to negative health outcomes and potentially reduced compliance to social distancing. The lowest health literacy is mostly prevalent in Queens, Bronx, and Brooklyn, where 24 to 28 percent of the population could not speak English proficiently in 2009–13.

It is likely that Queens was shattered by COVID – 19 due to the people’s preexisting poor underlying health status. This poor population health in combination with the proximity to the two large airport hubs and the vast ground and subway transportation systems contributed to disease propagation with devastating outcomes.**

** Emphasis added

https://www.thenationalherald.com/298070/death-inequality-why-was-queens-devastated-by-covid-19/

[Wrathbringer]

I agree, that people are going to die, no matter what, but with your conclusion, I can’t agree with, as I don’t know. If we let this thing run wild, it could be Disastrous.

You're stupid. If we had let it run its course, it would run out of not immune hosts and disperse. As it is, we're prolonging the season and giving it time to mutate into something that could kill us all, enabling it to survive to come back in the fall and now they're saying possibly annually. How many more will die in total from this rather than one unchecked wave? I'd rather natural selection choose who dies than well meaning but retarded human intervention. The longer the hospitals are overwhelmed, the more deaths to younger people from things other than this virus. You bleeding heart tards are endangering more people than the virus. It's a cough and fever, if that, for anyone not already compromised.

[Methais]

Since I don’t know how to quote like you did, I’ll just number my responses based on yours.
1. Sure, open it up, and how many people will it take to die before you, and others decide it was the wrong decision?
Maybe opening the economy and everything will be ok is also a possibility, I’m not saying it isn’t. Are you willing to risk American lives to figure that out? How many people dying is it worth to you?

2. I wasn’t shitting on Florida, I was bringing up the video of people that went to Florida saying, I don’t give a shit if I get the virus.

3. Even according to Fox News, and every other news source, what I said was accurate.

4. You still didn’t answer my question. I’m not a health official, I’m not responsible for running this country, and I’m glad I don’t have that responsibility during this pandemic, but according to your post, you seem to know better, than everyone else. When should we open the economy? in my opinion, when we have wide spread reliable testing.

5. Fair enough, it’s bullshit. So since we don’t have reliable testing, and the infection is flaring up after people get it and are released from the hospital, you want to reopen the economy so these people spread it even more?

6. Point 1. Does this go for every virus going forward? Well that depends now doesn’t it? We knew about this virus in January, maybe earlier, yet we failed(Democrats and Republicans) to prepare our hospitals for it. If we prepared earlier for a pandemic that may or may not have come, we would have been in a much better situation than we are now, I’m sure you can agree to that. Sure, would our economy have suffered preparing for this virus? Maybe, but I’m sure it wouldn’t have been as bad as it is now.

Points 2. I don’t think I need to even dip into this flu/Covid19 comparison as pretty much every reputable doctor has said DO NOT compare them for a slew of reasons.

7. I don’t know exactly what short term is, yet you seem to know. I guess because short term for you is 6 weeks, it must be for everyone else as well?

Since I keep getting that fucking firewall error with my typed response:

https://i.imgur.com/0ZVHITR.png

[Neveragain]

https://w.bongino.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/Screen-Shot-2019-01-23-at-4.34.46-PM.png

Gets hammered by plague.

https://www.scross.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/freeman.jpg

[~Rocktar~]

https://w.bongino.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/Screen-Shot-2019-01-23-at-4.34.46-PM.png

Gets hammered by plague.

https://www.scross.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/freeman.jpg

Now THAT'S funny!

[Jeril]

Since I keep getting that fucking firewall error with my typed response:

https://i.imgur.com/0ZVHITR.png

I just click the reply with quote button because I'm lazy.

[Alfster]

Again it's that Poe's Law at play here again.

But on a serious note I legit think we might be living through the end of this country as we know it if no one stops these out of control Democrats or they don't come to their senses.

Just how long do you people think the federal government can keep paying for the shit they were already paying for (defense, social security, Medicare, etc), paying people to NOT work, paying businesses to NOT operate, and now apparently paying states so they can cover their budget deficits? All the while receiving far less in revenue since no one is fucking working so no one is paying federal taxes? Eventually investors are going to see what a house of cards our entire economy is and stop buying up our debt.

You're blaming the rising national debt on Dems? The data disagrees with you. Let's cut taxes and increase spending - the "conservative," way now.

[Tgo01]

You're blaming the rising national debt on Dems? The data disagrees with you. Let's cut taxes and increase spending - the "conservative," way now.

Where did I blame the national debt on anyone? What is up with you and putting words in my mouth? Try having an argument without setting up an endless maze of strawmans.

[Tgo01]

The governor of California, obviously a big leftie, wants a treatment for the Wuhan virus available to citizens before he will lift the stay at home orders and allow the economy to open back up.

Yeah you read that right, he basically wants a cure for the virus readily available before he will allow shit to get back to even somewhat normal. If we had a fucking cure we wouldn't be in this mess to begin with.

Isn't it amazing how we went from "Just give us 2 weeks to slow the spread" to "Just give us 4 more weeks to flatten the curve" to "LOL! Fucking stay locked up in a closet until we find a cure, yo!" in a span of 8 fucking weeks. I didn't realize how easy it was to manipulate a country of 320 million people. No wonder it's so easy for dictators to rise to power and remain in power.

[~Rocktar~]

Where did I blame the national debt on anyone? What is up with you and putting words in my mouth? Try having an argument without setting up an endless maze of strawmans.

If he and Leftists didn't add their own spin to what Conservatives and others say, they would have even less of a leg to stand on. Without the strawmen, false equivalence and ad homonym attacks they would not have any argument because the facts simply aren't on their side.

[Tgo01]

Pelosi has put the House on full pay leave until May 4th. That's right, in the middle of a worldwide crisis where millions of Americans are going to start losing their job and business today because the small business loan program ran out of money, Pelosi decides it's time to give herself and all of the House a 3 week paid vacation.

She is literally evil. No other fucking words to even begin to describe how truly monstrous she is.

[Methais]

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[Seran]

You're stupid. If we had let it run its course, it would run out of not immune hosts and disperse. As it is, we're prolonging the season and giving it time to mutate into something that could kill us all, enabling it to survive to come back in the fall and now they're saying possibly annually. How many more will die in total from this rather than one unchecked wave? I'd rather natural selection choose who dies than well meaning but retarded human intervention. The longer the hospitals are overwhelmed, the more deaths to younger people from things other than this virus. You bleeding heart tards are endangering more people than the virus. It's a cough and fever, if that, for anyone not already compromised.

You're running off of the assumption that surviving the Covid-19 imparts immunity. Thus far immunology studies show the number of antibodies in the bloodstream following an infection is minimal, ie, the body isn't ill long enough to develop cell memory. If this is the case, then reinfection is likely and with everyone failing to observe any type of proactive response, then under your plan this highly contagious virus would not only infect a massively higher number, but it would likely reinfect many and kill tens of thousands more.

Your ideas are not only misguided, but insanely dangerous and unethical

[Methais]

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/

Doesn’t look like it’s good, or getting better.

10% death rate, yeah it’s not a problem.

Sure let’s apply those Statistics to America. 10% death rate. 400m people, 40m dead, that’s more than everyone in the state of Texas.

I'd be willing to bet that Sweden has...

- More than 13,000 cases
- Less than 1,400 "real" deaths

[Wrathbringer]

You're running off of the assumption that surviving the Covid-19 imparts immunity. Thus far immunology studies show the number of antibodies in the bloodstream following an infection is minimal, ie, the body isn't ill long enough to develop cell memory. If this is the case, then reinfection is likely and with everyone failing to observe any type of proactive response, then under your plan this highly contagious virus would not only infect a massively higher number, but it would likely reinfect many and kill tens of thousands more.

Your ideas are not only misguided, but insanely dangerous and unethical

They're taking blood from recovered people for the antibodies to give to the sick. This means that you're retarded. Again.

[Candor]

Remdevisir is an anti-viral drug that shows early promise in being very effective to treat COV19 and which is getting a fair amount of press coverage. It is too early to say that this is the drug that we need to treat folks with severe symptoms, but there is hope. Nevertheless, even if this is the drug that the world is waiting for, supply of the drug is a problem.

Rather than try to explain the issue myself, here is a link from the manufacturer that explains the challenge:

https://www.gilead.com/purpose/advancing-global-health/covid-19/working-to-supply-remdesivir-for-covid-19

[rolfard]

I had all the respiratory symptoms in the first week of February. Stayed home a week. Got the same symptoms last week plus loss of sense of smell. My doctor confirmed my symptoms are in line with covid-19 but said tests are reserved for those that are hospitalized awaiting experimental treatments. He stated to visit the ER only if my breathing issue becomes serious otherwise stay home. I would guess this means reinfection is going to happen to others.

[Keller]

Seran is partially correct. There are varying levels of immunity to reinfection. The hypothesis I saw was that it had to do with viral load - e.g., asymptomic people didn't have the virus long enough to develop strong immunity. While that appears like bad news, it's also good news insomuch as it suggests they would be equally capable of dealing with the virus if they were a host again.

Wrathbringer also is partially right. There are studies of plasma transfers from convalescent patients to infected patients. Those studies show promise, but nothing is a sure bet. Also, the convalescent patients (were likely, I don't know for sure) recovered in an ICU and therefore had higher viral load.

There is an on-going study in Chicago testing the anti-viral drug remdesivir. So far it looks promising in patients experiencing ARDS. Out of 113 patients in the trial, only 2 (had) died (at the time the study was reported) - many had recovered and been released.

[Methais]

https://i.imgur.com/dyjlRgx.png

[Wrathbringer]

I had all the respiratory symptoms in the first week of February. Stayed home a week. Got the same symptoms last week plus loss of sense of smell. My doctor confirmed my symptoms are in line with covid-19 but said tests are reserved for those that are hospitalized awaiting experimental treatments. He stated to visit the ER only if my breathing issue becomes serious otherwise stay home. I would guess this means reinfection is going to happen to others.

So you're drawing conclusions from an unconfirmed anecdotal experience? I'm shocked. :lol:

[Methais]

I think I finally found tgo01

https://i.redd.it/g1pygzl5i8t41.jpg

You're bad at everything you try to do. :lol:

https://i.imgur.com/wu8lgfN.png

[Methais]

Death Inequality – Why was Queens Devastated by COVID-19?


It's because McDowell's is closed.

[Methais]

I just click the reply with quote button because I'm lazy.

He was referring to parsing though I'm pretty sure.

[Methais]

They're taking blood from recovered people for the antibodies to give to the sick.

This is correct.


This means that you're retarded. Again.

This is even more correct.

[Methais]

Is that the Klans official opinion?

WOW HE SURE SHOWED YOU TGO HOW WILL YOU EVER RECOVER FROM THIS!?!?!?!?!??E1//

in b4 angry Gayjon whining

[Tgo01]

WOW HE SURE SHOWED YOU TGO HOW WILL YOU EVER RECOVER FROM THIS!?!?!?!?!??E1//

I can't :(

[Methais]

I can't :(

https://media1.tenor.com/images/c248c9ba1bd7928388ab192fe92bd9f1/tenor.gif?itemid=5518037

[Methais]

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[~Rocktar~]

It's because McDowell's is closed.

Sad to be sure.

[Fortybox]

New Stanford study is showing the number of cases is likely to be 85 times higher...meaning the fatality rate of this is super low.

#fakepandemic

[Geijon]

https://i.imgur.com/ssREgxI.jpg

Why do you guys post this shit? He was a rapist pedophile. I seriously want to understand why conspiracy theorists use Epstein as their poster boy. The guy was going to die in prison 99.9% if you had Vegas odds. He killed himself or didn't. Nobody cares, but right winger crazies. This is the guy you latch onto?

[Ashlander]

Why do you guys post this shit? He was a rapist pedophile. I seriously want to understand why conspiracy theorists use Epstein as their poster boy. The guy was going to die in prison 99.9% if you had Vegas odds. He killed himself or didn't. Nobody cares, but right winger crazies. This is the guy you latch onto?

Maybe because he could have implicated a lot of powerful, rich and influential people but instead he somehow turned up dead with a lot of shady circumstances.

[Parkbandit]

Again you have nothing to say besides deflect and troll. Do you actually have an response to his post because he just put a point on you.

Troll #1 is at it again.

You're still so upset. What is it like to be so fucking sensitive that red rep on an unofficial forum for a 30 year old roleplaying game gets you this worked up?

I know, I know.. you're not upset at all......

Take some more Xanax.. it'll be ok cupcake.

[Tgo01]

The wannabe dictator governor of Michigan threatened to extend the lock down of her state because people protested the lock down.

It's a toss up as to who is the bigger evil bitch, her or Pelosi.

[~Rocktar~]

The wannabe dictator governor of Michigan threatened to extend the lock down of her state because people protested the lock down.

It's a toss up as to who is the bigger evil bitch, her or Pelosi.

Pelosi because her evil blankets the whole country.

[Tgo01]

Pelosi because her evil blankets the whole country.

True.

[Tgo01]

The wannabe dictator governor of Michigan threatened to extend the lock down of her state because people protested the lock down.

It's a toss up as to who is the bigger evil bitch, her or Pelosi.

Now she's talking about opening up parts of the economy on May 1st. I'm thinking her constant threats didn't bode as well for her as she was hoping.

[Solkern]

Since I keep getting that fucking firewall error with my typed response:

https://i.imgur.com/0ZVHITR.png

I don’t think I’ve ever quoted like that before!

[Solkern]

I'd be willing to bet that Sweden has...

- More than 13,000 cases
- Less than 1,400 "real" deaths

I think you are 100% correct in this, but we don’t and won’t know, as we can only go by the numbers they share.

[Neveragain]

The wannabe dictator governor of Michigan threatened to extend the lock down of her state because people protested the lock down.

It's a toss up as to who is the bigger evil bitch, her or Pelosi.

Pelosi, hands down.

All the lies and mudslinging put aside, she has played her hand extremely poorly. She should have had an infrastructure bill ready to go after voting for the last bill, instead of delaying the vote. Her hate for Trump has completely blinded her.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Rant much. Does the hood double as a mask?

I'd ask the governor of Virginia.

[Fortybox]

I think you are 100% correct in this, but we don’t and won’t know, as we can only go by the numbers they share.

Um, I don’t think you read what he said. If the number of deaths is likely to be down then it means Sweden was even more right in keeping their economy open.

You’re a moron.

Also, #fakepandemic

[Tgo01]

I thought this was an interesting chart that the head of the CDC showed today during the press briefing:

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/weeklyarchives2019-2020/images/ILI15_small.gif

It shows the percentage of visits to hospitals for flu like symptoms for the past several seasons, including the one we are currently in.

Since the Wuhan flu has symptoms that are very similar to the seasonal flu we can see how visits for Wuhan flu + seasonal flu compare to past years.

The doctor said the first red (current season) peak was flu type A, the second peak was flu type B, then the third peak was the Wuhan flu and now the number of visits is almost down to the base line. Also note that even with the seasonal flu and Wuhan flu going on at the same time the number of hospital visits for flu like symptoms was never as high as the 2017-2018 seasonal flu season.

I thought that was pretty interesting. But the best news of course is that even with the seasonal flu still lingering around and with the Wuhan flu shitting all over us we are almost to the low levels of past flu seasons.

[Solkern]

Um, I don’t think you read what he said. If the number of deaths is likely to be down then it means Sweden was even more right in keeping their economy open.

You’re a moron.

Also, #fakepandemic
I know exactly what he’s saying. I’m the moron? Says the person comparing Sweden to America. Just go play in traffic. You’re the biggest idiot.
Let’s roll with your boat. Sweden has universal healthcare! That’s why the deaths are so low, I guess we should have universal health care in the states too! Oh, and since I know you won’t get it, that was sarcasm you twit.
God you’re fucking stupid.

[Solkern]

Here let me give you a situation, and let’s see if you can come up with a response.

You’re claiming, the coronavirus is fake, and using Sweden and their non lock down status as evidence.
Show me evidence that, what you are saying is true, while showing me evidence that their universal healthcare system isn’t responsible for their low amounts of deaths.

You’re using the above as fact for your argument. Support it.

I’m guessing, you’ll just act like a 10 year old, throw some insults, and fail to respond to my statement above.

And we are talking about Sweden, don’t start bringing up other shit, that’s not only about Sweden.

[Risen]

I thought this was an interesting chart that the head of the CDC showed today during the press briefing:

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/weeklyarchives2019-2020/images/ILI15_small.gif

It shows the percentage of visits to hospitals for flu like symptoms for the past several seasons, including the one we are currently in.

Since the Wuhan flu has symptoms that are very similar to the seasonal flu we can see how visits for Wuhan flu + seasonal flu compare to past years.

The doctor said the first red (current season) peak was flu type A, the second peak was flu type B, then the third peak was the Wuhan flu and now the number of visits is almost down to the base line. Also note that even with the seasonal flu and Wuhan flu going on at the same time the number of hospital visits for flu like symptoms was never as high as the 2017-2018 seasonal flu season.

I thought that was pretty interesting. But the best news of course is that even with the seasonal flu still lingering around and with the Wuhan flu shitting all over us we are almost to the low levels of past flu seasons.

Did the briefing cover the anticipated impact of the mandated shelter at home requirements, the multiple don't go to the hospital unless you can't breathe scenarios and the "I am not going to the hospital, that is where you get the Covid-19 from?" thought leaders?

I am happy to see it returning to near normal levels, and would like to see a measured and established plan to bring us into summer. With the expectation that if we can't get a vaccine, we'll be exploring a lot of this shit again, say oh, around January 2021.

[Fortybox]

I know exactly what he’s saying. I’m the moron? Says the person comparing Sweden to America. Just go play in traffic. You’re the biggest idiot.
Let’s roll with your boat. Sweden has universal healthcare! That’s why the deaths are so low, I guess we should have universal health care in the states too! Oh, and since I know you won’t get it, that was sarcasm you twit.
God you’re fucking stupid.

The virus doesn't care if it's Sweden or America.

Sweden kept their economy open...only 1,400 deaths. Each day this becomes more and more clear that the lockdowns imposed upon Americans was ridiculous. It's a fake pandemic.

[Solkern]

The virus doesn't care if it's Sweden or America.

Sweden kept their economy open...only 1,400 deaths. Each day this becomes more and more clear that the lockdowns imposed upon Americans was ridiculous. It's a fake pandemic.

Nope, it’s their universal healthcare! Let’s bring it to America! Tax paying healthcare for all!!

[Solkern]

The virus doesn't care if it's Sweden or America.

Sweden kept their economy open...only 1,400 deaths. Each day this becomes more and more clear that the lockdowns imposed upon Americans was ridiculous. It's a fake pandemic.


Oh Portugal only has 629 deaths and their country is on lockdown AND they just extended it! I guess since they have lower deaths, we should keep America locked down! See it’s working!

Your logic is stupid.

[Parkbandit]

My bank account looks great.

Stimulus plus welfare plus WiC = Happy Geijon

Happy for you man. Get that 24 pack of Budweiser!

[Parkbandit]

Uhh. I literally view rep here as null at this point. I do enjoy torching you though.

I hope you're alright through grandpa. I assume the grandkids/local transit/meals on wheels/pizza delivery are leaving care packages at your door and making sure they continue no contact. I doubt it's much of a change from before though.

Tell us again and again how not upset you are, while complaining about red rep you get.

It's very effective.

[Tgo01]

These reporters ask the dumbest questions.

"But Mr. President! How can parents go back to work if the schools are still closed?!?!?!?!"

First of all not everyone has kids, some families have a parent who doesn't work and watches the kids, some parents work different shifts so they can watch the kids, some parents have family members who can watch the kids.

Not to mention, IT'S ALMOST FUCKING SUMMER BREAK ANYWAYS. What were these parents going to do in a month? Yeah they can go ahead and do that now.

This is just so aggravating. "We can't open up the economy yet! The schools are still closed!!!"

It's like these people are looking for any reason to keep the economy shut down for as long as possible.

[Parkbandit]

It's like these people are looking for any reason to keep the economy shut down for as long as possible.

About a month ago... I honestly thought that the media was really worried about the loss of life and flattening the curve.. but it's more and more likely they are literally trying to capitalize on this pandemic to bring forth an economic system that they really believe will benefit them somehow. And the only way to rid this country of capitalism is to stop the engine and destroy it.

[Tgo01]

About a month ago... I honestly thought that the media was really worried about the loss of life and flattening the curve.. but it's more and more likely they are literally trying to capitalize on this pandemic to bring forth an economic system that they really believe will benefit them somehow. And the only way to rid this country of capitalism is to stop the engine and destroy it.

It's crazy. Here we are, the curve flattened 2 weeks ahead of the May 1st goal and some people are still pushing for keeping the economy closed for weeks or even months longer.

This pandemic has been quickly politicized by the left, the language they use is almost identical to the Green New Deal bullshit.

"If you don't want to cut pollution then you just want people to die!"
"If you want people to go back to work then you just want people to die!"

"You care more about money than you do about the planet!"
"You care more about money than you do about people dying!"

Like there is no middle ground with these people. There is no "Okay let's wear masks in public, encourage constant hand washing, have stores and other public places install those hand sanitizing stations, let's try this for a few weeks/months then we can see how we are doing then and change things up if needed."

Nope. It's either you want the economy to stay closed or you are literally a cold blooded murderer.

[Fortybox]

Oh Portugal only has 629 deaths and their country is on lockdown AND they just extended it! I guess since they have lower deaths, we should keep America locked down! See it’s working!

Your logic is stupid.

You’re now being borderline time4fun stupid. Just stahp.

[Geijon]

The virus doesn't care if it's Sweden or America.

Sweden kept their economy open...only 1,400 deaths. Each day this becomes more and more clear that the lockdowns imposed upon Americans was ridiculous. It's a fake pandemic.

31,500 deaths and counting says otherwise, which is higher than the annual flu in 90 days.

[~Rocktar~]

https://youtu.be/ZphK_CMUbKg

[Solkern]

You’re now being borderline time4fun stupid. Just stahp.

Rofl, notice, not one person is defending your stupidity? When you compare Sweden to America, it’s ok! But when I shit your stupid argument, with your SAME logic, it’s stupid. Are you that fucking dense? Probably not, you’re just a moron.

Sorry Portugal has less deaths than Sweden, so keep the lockdown going is the best way forward!

Seriously, Don’t procreate. You are making the Dems look brilliant.

[Fortybox]

Rofl, notice, not one person is defending your stupidity? When you compare Sweden to America, it’s ok! But when I shit your stupid argument, with your SAME logic, it’s stupid. Are you that fucking dense? Probably not, you’re just a moron.

Sorry Portugal has less deaths than Sweden, so keep the lockdown going is the best way forward!

Seriously, Don’t procreate. You are making the Dems look brilliant.

It’s not the same logic. You’re making yourself look very stupid right now.

If we are to believe this virus was super duper bad, Sweden should have had more death. But they don’t.

Because it’s a fake pandemic and there’s no need to shut down countries.

[Tgo01]

Seems like just 2 weeks ago we were being told hospitals would be so overrun that people would be literally dying in the streets and in the hallways of hospitals because the hospitals couldn't keep up with demand, and NY was demanding the federal government ignore all other states and ship them 40k ventilators and telling Trump to choose which 40k people he wanted to let die because he wouldn't send them enough ventilators.

Oh wait that was 2 weeks ago and no one has died in the street because the hospitals were forced to ration healthcare and NY needed so much less than 40k ventilators that they are now sending ventilators to other states.

This shit has been politicized to shit by the left and enough is enough already. Open up our country already and let's stop making things worse for hundreds of millions of Americans.

[Furryrat]

Don't forget the hospital ship that's 90% empty.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/17/nearly-90percent-of-the-us-navy-hospital-ship-in-new-york-is-empty-amid-coronavirus-fight.html

[Tgo01]

Don't forget the hospital ship that's 90% empty.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/17/nearly-90percent-of-the-us-navy-hospital-ship-in-new-york-is-empty-amid-coronavirus-fight.html

Oh yeah, and who could forget all of those hospitals the military set up that were so unused the military ending up taking several of them down without ever seeing many (any?!) patients at all.

Let's not forget the media fear mongering that the temporary hospitals and hospital ships wouldn't arrive in time and people would once again be dying in the streets, this includes the supreme bitch Rachel Maddow saying the hospital ships wouldn't arrive for at least another month and by then it would be too late, except the ship arrived about a week later and was largely not even needed.

I remember one question from a "reporter" who asked Trump "How sick does someone need to be to get one of these federal ventilators?" - Implying Trump was purposefully hoarding these ventilators so much that people were literally dying while waiting for one, instead of the obvious truth that Trump explained several times in plain English that the federal government was keeping them in stockpile until they determined an actual need was required in a particular area instead of just shipping them out to governors who were giving in to fear instead of being rational, you know like a certain governor of NY who was demanding 40k ventilators then ended up only needing 5k which the state itself already had.

Honestly if we lived in normal times (also known as pre-Democrats-completely-losing-their-fucking-shit times) then these people would be fired from their jobs and possibly even charged with a crime for creating a panic during a national emergency. Instead they will keep their jobs and probably even get bonuses because this is exactly the kind of shit the left wants right now.

[Parkbandit]

Rofl, notice, not one person is defending your stupidity? When you compare Sweden to America, it’s ok! But when I shit your stupid argument, with your SAME logic, it’s stupid. Are you that fucking dense? Probably not, you’re just a moron.

Sorry Portugal has less deaths than Sweden, so keep the lockdown going is the best way forward!

Seriously, Don’t procreate. You are making the Dems look brilliant.

Notice not one person is defending your stupidity? In fact, many people are making fun of your "logic".

Fact of the matter is when this is all said and done, we will look back on this and we will find that the death toll isn't anywhere near as what the "experts" claimed it would be. Then we will break into 2 groups:

Group 1 will say it was because we socially distanced for x number of days for saving us.

Group 2 will say it was because it was a fake pandemic that the death toll was so low.

And neither will have the proof to prove their case.

[Solkern]

It’s not the same logic. You’re making yourself look very stupid right now.

If we are to believe this virus was super duper bad, Sweden should have had more death. But they don’t.

Because it’s a fake pandemic and there’s no need to shut down countries.

No, you’re the idiot, you’re using a single statistic, while ignoring every other variable. So I’m doing the same. I’m using the same statistic as you. Portugal has less corona virus deaths than Sweden, proof that the lockdown works.

[Solkern]

Notice not one person is defending your stupidity? In fact, many people are making fun of your "logic".

Fact of the matter is when this is all said and done, we will look back on this and we will find that the death toll isn't anywhere near as what the "experts" claimed it would be. Then we will break into 2 groups:

Group 1 will say it was because we socially distanced for x number of days for saving us.

Group 2 will say it was because it was a fake pandemic that the death toll was so low.

And neither will have the proof to prove their case.

I agree with you completely. But claiming a single statistic as your entire argument, without applying any other statistical information, or variables is retarded.
If you actually noticed every case I made about social distancing, universal healthcare, and Portugal were sarcasm. As you can’t prove any of it as a factor. Just as you can’t prove Sweden’s still open economy is the reason why they have low deaths.

That’s the point I’m trying to hammer home to Fortybox.

[Risen]

And 40,000 people are dead. That number will be higher. I get that chewing over the same old soup is comforting. I have yet to see any of that position say even a single time, "yeah, that was something we need to improve."

So, what do we need to improve? We clearly don't need to improve the media - they're just doing what we do. The only question is if you like their target.

[Parkbandit]

And 40,000 people are dead. That number will be higher. I get that chewing over the same old soup is comforting. I have yet to see any of that position say even a single time, "yeah, that was something we need to improve."

So, what do we need to improve? We clearly don't need to improve the media - they're just doing what we do. The only question is if you like their target.

https://media1.tenor.com/images/1f8c7736a46059a800df67a2779b3a86/tenor.gif?itemid=7121337

[Tgo01]

And 40,000 people are dead. That number will be higher.

I know this is going to sound callous but people die to infections, that's just the unfortunate reality of the world. People die every single day to the common cold and that literally never even makes the news, much less do we shut down the entire economy over it.

The question is what is going to result in more death and misery: keeping the economy closed for however long the left is pushing for now, or opening up the economy sooner but with some basic guidelines in place (like masks, hand washing, no visitors to nursing homes/hospitals and etc etc).

I personally think the former is going to end up with more death and misery and I'm not just basing this on my gut feeling, I'm basing this on the number of people who have died and the total number of people infected, not just confirmed infections but the total number which some studies are now saying might be 50+ times the confirmed number.

I willingly went along with the 2 weeks, I begrudgingly went along with the extended 4 weeks, but enough is enough now. We are already at what like 40 million jobs lost? How many of those jobs have now been lost forever, thanks in no small part to Democrats refusing to fund the small business loan program. How many people committed suicide or been murdered by released prisoners (at least 1 so far that I have heard of)? How many people have already started abusing drugs and alcohol thanks to the shutdown? We probably won't ever hear about these numbers because none of that fits the narrative of Democrats, the experts, nor the media, they are necessary sacrifices to usher in their insane politics and increase their hold on power.

[Tgo01]

I guess it's not just Democrats who want this to linger on forever, the governor of Texas has extended the shut down until May 15th.

Not as insane as de Blasio's suggestion of August but still. The crazy part is I bet Republicans are willing to vote these governors out of office but Democrats will still solidly vote blue no matter who and no matter how much it fucks up their lives.

[Risen]

I know this is going to sound callous but people die to infections

So just put a number out there. Don't sit back and and passively suggest it might all be fine after all. Take up a position. This is to any and all of you suggesting this is normal and nothing to worry about, fake pandemic, no need to fear, lighter than last year's flu:

Just pick a number.

We need to plan, to avoid this shit in the future and to ensure it doesn't get worse than this - or whatever the threshold needs to be. It isn't feasible to plan with out knowing where the tolerance zone is, where we might have to be ready to make the hard choices. Pick a number. Don't worry, God will forgive you even if Nancy and Hillary won't.

[~Rocktar~]

https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/94024342_3145311138840434_3784149586898059264_n.pn g?_nc_cat=111&_nc_sid=8024bb&_nc_ohc=XwxTnzctREgAX9GAV4d&_nc_ht=scontent-atl3-1.xx&oh=fc63090c28002eae1d327583b1f3e5ae&oe=5EC1CE72

I am somewhat less worried about the virus than the other three.

[Tgo01]

So just put a number out there. Don't sit back and and passively suggest it might all be fine after all. Take up a position. This is to any and all of you suggesting this is normal and nothing to worry about, fake pandemic, no need to fear, lighter than last year's flu:

Just pick a number.

We need to plan, to avoid this shit in the future and to ensure it doesn't get worse than this - or whatever the threshold needs to be. It isn't feasible to plan with out knowing where the tolerance zone is, where we might have to be ready to make the hard choices. Pick a number. Don't worry, God will forgive you even if Nancy and Hillary won't.

What exactly do you want me to pick a number for?

[Neveragain]

De Blasio sets up Stasi hotline.


How do you report places that aren’t enforcing social distancing? It’s simple: just snap a photo and text it to 311-692.

https://twitter.com/NYCMayor/status/1251496378372632577