Wuhan Virus

[Tgo01]

I am unsure what you think a job saved equaling a life has to do with homelessness or federal lands.

I don't understand why people suddenly act as if a job is no big deal.

A job is what allows someone to feed themselves and their family, put a roof over their family's head, buy their children computers and other needed school supplies to do well in school, allows someone to provide medical care for them and their family.

A job isn't just some abstract thing, it's a necessary part of life.

[Risen]

I don't understand why people suddenly act as if a job is no big deal.

You need to quote someone else. To me a job is a big deal. It is a part of life. The only thing that it is not bigger than is death, especially needless death.

Now, if you want to join FortyJobs over there and say that a job is more important than a life, feel free. I am not there, and I will not join you. The fact that there is some republican mantra going around now about how "people die, just get over it" is about the sickest and stupidest assed saying the party has come up with in its entire history.

We had the right view when we said it would be a balancing act. We went too far. We will suffer for it. We need to do better next time. But to cheapen the lives lost by justifying things with "people die" is not a part of any party I want to be a member of.

[Tgo01]

Now, if you want to join FortyJobs over there and say that a job is more important than a life, feel free.

And this is why you're crazy and why I am quoting you. I don't think A job is more important than A life, but at some point yes JOBS are more important.

Like I said earlier should we outlaw all vehicles and save around 40k lives in the US each year at the expense of tens of millions of jobs? If you say yes then you are just crazy, if you say no then you do realize that at some point saving jobs and all of the good jobs bring is more important, you're only hung up on the ratio to jobs saved/lives lost.

[Fortybox]

And this is why you're crazy and why I am quoting you. I don't think A job is more important than A life, but at some point yes JOBS are more important.

Like I said earlier should we outlaw all vehicles and save around 40k lives in the US each year at the expense of tens of millions of jobs? If you say yes then you are just crazy, if you say no then you do realize that at some point saving jobs and all of the good jobs bring is more important, you're only hung up on the ratio to jobs saved/lives lost.

Wow he is really dumb. I never said a job is worth more than a life. People have to see the data for what it is though. The economic impact is going to be worse than the lives claimed by the virus. More people will die from closing down than the virus itself.

[Neveragain]

I am unsure what you think a job saved equaling a life has to do with homelessness or federal lands.

If I have to explain the inhumanity of blocking millions of acres of land from human expansion while we currently have over half a million homeless and 30 million unemployed. I'm pretty sure it's a conversation you're incapable of grasping.

[Seran]

If I have to explain the inhumanity of blocking millions of acres of land from human expansion while we currently have over half a million homeless and 30 million unemployed. I'm pretty sure it's a conversation you're incapable of grasping.

You fail and fail and fail to make this same, tired argument. There is no demand for expensive US raw materials beyond a minor handful of rare earth products pulled from existing minds. Cooper, iron, timber, all obtained far cheaper from other countries. Our country is drowning in oil, so that's not needed. More agriculture? Nope. Farmers are already allowing crops to spoil or are burning them due to low commodity prices, that is even if they're not leaving land fallow as is.

You're literally a parody of a Captain Planet villain trying to open up pristine wilderness for toxic waste dumps and pointless strip mining. Only in your case, you're too stupid to know about the millions of acres of privately owned, undeveloped land in the country already going to waste.

[Seran]

And this is why you're crazy and why I am quoting you. I don't think A job is more important than A life, but at some point yes JOBS are more important.

Like I said earlier should we outlaw all vehicles and save around 40k lives in the US each year at the expense of tens of millions of jobs? If you say yes then you are just crazy, if you say no then you do realize that at some point saving jobs and all of the good jobs bring is more important, you're only hung up on the ratio to jobs saved/lives lost.

The world isn't going to end if Ruth's Chris isn't open or your wife/daughter/secret boyfriend can't go out to get their waxing. Essential services are open, food and critical infrastructure is available. To compare travel convenience and luxury of car ownership and vehicular deaths to a deadly, invisible and wholly avoidable contagion is laughably ignorant.

[Neveragain]

You fail and fail and fail to make this same, tired argument. There is no demand for expensive US raw materials beyond a minor handful of rare earth products pulled from existing minds. Cooper, iron, timber, all obtained far cheaper from other countries. Our country is drowning in oil, so that's not needed. More agriculture? Nope. Farmers are already allowing crops to spoil or are burning them due to low commodity prices, that is even if they're not leaving land fallow as is.

You're literally a parody of a Captain Planet villain trying to open up pristine wilderness for toxic waste dumps and pointless strip mining. Only in your case, you're too stupid to know about the millions of acres of privately owned, undeveloped land in the country already going to waste.

I already posted the explosion in material costs, explosion in housing costs and housing shortages. You neglected to respond, because the numbers absolutely crush your argument. Sadly you're more than happy to spoil "pristine wilderness" in foreign lands while attempting to prop up the US economy with shitty service industry jobs.

Just admit you care more about the "pristine wilderness" than you do humanity. You should be having massive orgasms over the virus doing the culling you people think we need.

[~Rocktar~]

Pelosi: "I have complete respect for the whole #MeToo movement...there's also due process...Joe Biden is Joe Biden...There was never any record...I am so proud, the happiest day for me this week was to support Joe Biden for president of the United States."

https://twitter.com/cspan/status/1255889096024690688

Are dems really this lacking in self awareness? Or do they just think everyone else is as stupid as their average Backlash & time4fun voters?

EDIT: Today is post in the wrong thread day as of now.

Yes and yes.

[Tgo01]

Essential services are open, food and critical infrastructure is available.

This is dumb bullshit that leftists such as Cuomo made up. ALL livelihoods are "essential."

Imagine actually repeating something this dumb and not feeling like a complete jackass.

"Yeah it's okay if that 70 year old granny has to keep going to work at her minimum wage job at Walmart to make sure I can still feed myself, but that 30 year old dude wants a job working at a hotel? Fuck that shit! He can live on the streets for all I care."

So it's official, Democrats can no longer claim to be the party of the working class. Who exactly DO the Democrats represent? As far as I can tell they represent themselves and the abortion industry.

[Seran]

I already posted the explosion in material costs, explosion in housing costs and housing shortages. You neglected to respond, because the numbers absolutely crush your argument. Sadly you're more than happy to spoil "pristine wilderness" in foreign lands while attempting to prop up the US economy with shitty service industry jobs.

Just admit you care more about the "pristine wilderness" than you do humanity. You should be having massive orgasms over the virus doing the culling you people think we need.

If 50% of the national parkland or lands held in the Public Trust were put for sale today, 100% of it would be owned by the top one percent of one percent of corporations and would go undeveloped for the next fifty years.

For that matter, why do you fat Texan Oil Baron or owner of a national sports franchise can't buy the entirety of Yosemite and build a weekend home for his mistress? Does Yellowstone need to be developed into a golf course for Bill Gates?

[Seran]

This is dumb bullshit that leftists such as Cuomo made up. ALL livelihoods are "essential."

Imagine actually repeating something this dumb and not feeling like a complete jackass.

"Yeah it's okay if that 70 year old granny has to keep going to work at her minimum wage job at Walmart to make sure I can still feed myself, but that 30 year old dude wants a job working at a hotel? Fuck that shit! He can live on the streets for all I care."

So it's official, Democrats can no longer claim to be the party of the working class. Who exactly DO the Democrats represent? As far as I can tell they represent themselves and the abortion industry.

Democrats are the party of the working class and apparently the only party interested in protecting Americans. What you, Trump and Hannity say when you want to reopen our country is you want luxury services to be available the 1% of the country. You mean you want them to be able to open their gulf club and riding lawnmower production lines to make available positions at sweatshop prices so to continue growing the grotesque wealth of the few at the cost of everyone else.

[Geijon]

Democrats are the party of the working class and apparently the only party interested in protecting Americans. What you, Trump and Hannity say when you want to reopen our country is you want luxury services to be available the 1% of the country. You mean you want them to be able to open their gulf club and riding lawnmower production lines to make available positions at sweatshop prices so to continue growing the grotesque wealth of the few at the cost of everyone else.

Nah. They want to explain how they can avoid paying unemployment to people because restaurants are open and staff can work. Aint nobody rich hurt by this. Zero.

[Geijon]

It's because 60k deaths is still better than the projected 2 million deaths or whatever bullshit they came up with.

Then subtract the bullshit "blame every death on coronavirus" deaths from that 60k, which I'd say is probably at least 25% of that if not higher, and...yes.

May - 30,000 dead
June - 30,000 dead
July - 30,000 dead
August - 30,000 dead

180,000 dead from February to August. You cool with that?

Maybe troll #3 is.

[Archigeek]

Right on cue, CIDRAP team predicts 18-24 month pandemic.


This thing's not going to stop until it infects 60 to 70 percent of people," Mike Osterholm, who directs the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy (CIDRAP) at the University of Minnesota, told CNN.
"The idea that this is going to be done soon defies microbiology.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/30/health/report-covid-two-more-years/index.html

[Risen]

And this is why you're crazy and why I am quoting you. I don't think A job is more important than A life, but at some point yes JOBS are more important.


Wow he is really dumb. I never said a job is worth more than a life. People have to see the data for what it is though. The economic impact is going to be worse than the lives claimed by the virus. More people will die from closing down than the virus itself.

Quote away - but quote what matters, 330,000. At what point are jobs more important than a life, or lives? I am pretty sure I suggested that was not what you meant to say, but your retort was something about my reading comprehension. I was left with no other alternative than to assume I was mistaken and that you really are in fact so callous as to suggest that. Yet here, you again suggest I am wrong. Interesting tactic, as shitty as it is. Perhaps you would care to choose.

But here is the bottom line - I have stated a number, myself. I am not dancing on graves screaming foul about leaders who are trying to protect lives. And I damn sure do not accept, ever, the position that we could possibly perhaps let a few more people die so that maybe some few more people might be able to go to work.

As a bonus, I will add this. Each and every one of you who believes that the US economy would be just fine if there were no lock downs, no stay at home rules are not very astute when it comes to US economics. The workforce (you know, "those bleating sheep that you do not really care if they live or die, as long as they do the work you want them to do") would not show up to work anyway because of fear. The rest of the world's choices and other nations' economies would create a drag and disrupt supply chains and cause shortages even with out a single American being laid off.

I am a republican. I helped put Trump in office. I am sick of the constituency's antics, and I am appalled that party leadership seems willing to just keep on ignoring simple human dignity and good moral ethics. I do not care if the dems do not do it. I am not a democrat. I expect my leadership to be leaders.

[Tgo01]

Democrats are the party of the working class

Right. Must be why you and the other Democrats so gleefully say "Your job isn't essential so live on the streets."


What you, Trump and Hannity say when you want to reopen our country is you want luxury services to be available the 1% of the country.

You can't be so dumb to assume the 30+ million people who have so far lost their jobs only worked in industries that serviced the 1%. You just can't be this stupid. I refuse to believe any human being is this retarded. Even legit retards aren't this retarded.

[Tgo01]

But here is the bottom line - I have stated a number, myself.

My bad, what number did you state and what is this number referring to?

[Tgo01]

Right on cue, CIDRAP team predicts 18-24 month pandemic.



https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/30/health/report-covid-two-more-years/index.html

Isn't it amazing how Democrats keep moving the goalposts and expect everyone to go along with their shit?

First it was "No big deal! The flu is worse!"
Then it was "Shit this is a big deal, okay we gotta flatten the curve."
Now it's "Okay curve flattened, now we have to lock people in their homes until we develop a vaccine."

So maybe we should have been developing herd immunity this entire time instead of doing the exact opposite of that? I feel like I'm living in Idiocracy.

"We need herd immunity!"
"Okay, how do we get herd immunity?"
"We need people to get infected!"
"Okay so the plan is to have people get infected?"
"NO! The plan is to NOT have people get infected!"
"So how do we develop herd immunity?"
"By letting people get infected!"

[Risen]

My bad, what number did you state and what is this number referring to?

Ironic, since it was a response directed to you. After you have confirmed, do me a personal favor. Just state you do not believe it is relevant and you will not be remembering it, and I will not bring this back up again in context to anything I exchange with you. Others are not included in this deal of a lifetime.

http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?123222-Wuhan-Virus&p=2146254#post2146254

[Tgo01]

Do you want to work for $4, $9, $11? $13? 32,000,000 (update bro) people worked non-essential jobs. America has 431,000,000 people.

First of all America has 321 million people, of which only about 160 million are in the workforce, meaning about 20% of the workforce are now unemployed. But I guess they all just catered to the 1% according to retards such as yourself.

[Tgo01]

Ironic, since it was a response directed to you. After you have confirmed, do me a personal favor. Just state you do not believe it is relevant and you will not be remembering it, and I will not bring this back up again in context to anything I exchange with you. Others are not included in this deal of a lifetime.

http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?123222-Wuhan-Virus&p=2146254#post2146254

That has nothing to do with jobs. So are you willing to eliminate 90% of the jobs in America if it saves 330k lives from this disease?

[Risen]

That has nothing to do with jobs.

I am fairly certain that post contains the spectrum to include stay at home mandates. I am also fairly certain that the current rant about jobs is centered on forcing people to stay at home. I cannot help but think that all the frothing is causing problems tracking real, true dialog.

[Tgo01]

I am fairly certain that post contains the spectrum to include stay at home mandates. I am also fairly certain that the current rant about jobs is centered on forcing people to stay at home. I cannot help but think that all the frothing is causing problems tracking real, true dialog.

Just need a simple answer: do you feel there is a point in which the number of jobs lost is too great compared to the number of lives lost?

Keep in mind this isn't a simple "Oh no problem, they can get a job somewhere else!" No, this is people permanently out of a job until this lockdown ends.

[Risen]

Just need a simple answer: do you feel there is a point in which the number of jobs lost is too great compared to the number of lives lost?

Keep in mind this isn't a simple "Oh no problem, they can get a job somewhere else!" No, this is people permanently out of a job until this lockdown ends.

Yes. I have already said that. Once again, I will refer you to that same post.

Your turn. Just need a simple number, however you want to express it. No need to keep anything in mind, go with your gut.

[Archigeek]

Isn't it amazing how Democrats keep moving the goalposts and expect everyone to go along with their shit?

First it was "No big deal! The flu is worse!"
Then it was "Shit this is a big deal, okay we gotta flatten the curve."
Now it's "Okay curve flattened, now we have to lock people in their homes until we develop a vaccine."

So maybe we should have been developing herd immunity this entire time instead of doing the exact opposite of that? I feel like I'm living in Idiocracy.

"We need herd immunity!"
"Okay, how do we get herd immunity?"
"We need people to get infected!"
"Okay so the plan is to have people get infected?"
"NO! The plan is to NOT have people get infected!"
"So how do we develop herd immunity?"
"By letting people get infected!"

CIDRAP is not a Democratic organization.

[Tgo01]

Yes. I have already said that. Once again, I will refer you to that same post.

Well there ya go, that's all I'm saying too. Clearly 1 life is worth more than 1 job, when we're talking about 430+ jobs lost for every life then it's time to start to question the sanity of this all.

[Risen]

Well there ya go, that's all I'm saying too. Clearly 1 life is worth more than 1 job, when we're talking about 430+ jobs lost for every life then it's time to start to question the sanity of this all.

Good dodge.

Calculate this - if 50% of the unemployed workforce returns to the same job in the week returning to work is permitted, how many jobs were lost? If 50% of the remaining unemployed workforce returns to their same jobs in the second week after returning to work is permitted, how many jobs were lost? If 25% of the balance unemployed do not return to work because they are afraid to for any reason, health, welfare, loss of unemployment benefits, how many jobs were lost?

The real concern of the individual is income lost, not job lost. The real concern of the fear-monger is job lost, not individual impacted. And the party's concern damn well should be businesses forced to close permanently, thereby decreasing the available pool of jobs (a true job loss). Of course, it is not yet. And it will not be until such time as the party leaders think it will buy them points on some magic scoreboard somewhere.

Sickening. Oh, thanks for your number. Since you are "starting to question at 430+ jobs lost for every life", i will mark you down at 400.

[Risen]

FYI and topical, too! Proof Tgo01 is a liberal (which headline has he provided in the last 24 hours to make his case?)

https://www.allsides.com/story/38-million-americans-filed-jobless-claims-last-week

:lol:

[Tgo01]

Good dodge.

Calculate this - if 50% of the unemployed workforce returns to the same job in the week returning to work is permitted, how many jobs were lost? If 50% of the remaining unemployed workforce returns to their same jobs in the second week after returning to work is permitted, how many jobs were lost? If 25% of the balance unemployed do not return to work because they are afraid to for any reason, health, welfare, loss of unemployment benefits, how many jobs were lost?

The real concern of the individual is income lost, not job lost. The real concern of the fear-monger is job lost, not individual impacted. And the party's concern damn well should be businesses forced to close permanently, thereby decreasing the available pool of jobs (a true job loss). Of course, it is not yet. And it will not be until such time as the party leaders think it will buy them points on some magic scoreboard somewhere.

Sickening. Oh, thanks for your number. Since you are "starting to question at 430+ jobs lost for every life", i will mark you down at 400.

Not dodging anything, feel free to mark me down for 400.

As for your hypotheticals we have no idea how many jobs are going to come back, surely some are lost forever and will only be replaced by other jobs, how long that takes and how many jobs are lost forever we don't know.

[Stolis]

What I'm hopeful for in this situation is most of the people unemployed were done so with the logic of, "We can't pay you when we can't bring in money when shut down, let us fire you so you can at least collect unemployment and then when things are back and running, we can offer you your old job back."

I'm hoping that's at least 30-50% of this. I know it's not, but I'm hopeful there's a lot more of that than just nope, fuck yourselves.

[Risen]

Not dodging anything, feel free to mark me down for 400.

As for your hypotheticals we have no idea how many jobs are going to come back, surely some are lost forever and will only be replaced by other jobs, how long that takes and how many jobs are lost forever we don't know.

I agree. Since we do not know, hypothesizing about it being 30 million or more is moot. The true focus as explained is that job loss happens when a company folds, and understanding the mom-and-pop and mid-size (the SMB) companies which are responsible for over half of all jobs in the US are the ones that will fold first because they are not backed by big money.

Have we done enough?

[Wrathbringer]

Stop responding to anything this guy says. You are literally troll #1 now. You have zero points. You don't have a discussion on anything. You avoid any relevant point. You're done. GTFO

Lol @ your rep

[Ashlander]

Lol @ your rep

Don't you know rep doesn't bother him?

[Neveragain]

FYI and topical, too! Proof Tgo01 is a liberal (which headline has he provided in the last 24 hours to make his case?)

https://www.allsides.com/story/38-million-americans-filed-jobless-claims-last-week

:lol:


The high number of unemployed is overwhelming the state agencies responsible for doling out benefits, as many are hamstrung by old technology.

When an antiquated infrastructure continues to represent itself as the problem but rich white liberals refuse to allow access to the resources needed to bring it up to date.

https://i0.wp.com/www.nationalreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/homeless-camp-los-angeles.jpg?fit=789%2C460&ssl=1

https://mountaintopcondos.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/West-Virginia-Mountains.jpg

[Methais]

So H1N1 response was a failure because 12000 Americans died.
Ebola was a failure because 3 died

Coronavirus, even using your opinion instead of facts would put us at over 15k deaths. Wild success!

Do you know how numbers work?

Remember when they predicted 2,000,000 deaths?

60k deaths is a lot better than 2,000,000. At least for people who understand how counting works.

That's literally all that's being said, and people without TDS are able to understand it.

[Methais]

I hardly even remember living through those times to be honest because there was no media/Democrat induced panic.

This is correct.

[Parkbandit]

I don't understand why people suddenly act as if a job is no big deal.

A job is what allows someone to feed themselves and their family, put a roof over their family's head, buy their children computers and other needed school supplies to do well in school, allows someone to provide medical care for them and their family.

A job isn't just some abstract thing, it's a necessary part of life.

If government just gave everyone a monthly guaranteed check, then it wouldn't be a necessary part of life and people could just do whatever made them happy!

Why can't you get on board with this Progressive dream!? Why do you hate people so much??

[Parkbandit]

May - 30,000 dead
June - 30,000 dead
July - 30,000 dead
August - 30,000 dead

180,000 dead from February to August. You cool with that?

Maybe troll #3 is.

So.. to catch people up:

Geijon is really bad at English.
Geijon is even worse at remedial math.

Thanks Geijon. I'm going to need 10 more quality posts like this in the next 2 days to schedule a title shot.

[Parkbandit]

You can't be so dumb to assume the 30+ million people who have so far lost their jobs only worked in industries that serviced the 1%. You just can't be this stupid. I refuse to believe any human being is this retarded. Even legit retards aren't this retarded.

You watch yourself Tgo01.. and you speak to the champion with a more appreciative tone.

[Parkbandit]

Do you want to work for $4, $9, $11? $13? 32,000,000 (update bro) people worked non-essential jobs. America has 431,000,000 people. You seem to be just fine. Sit on your horse and declare "Open America" and claiming it's some democratic sham while you're an alt-right troll who doesn't say a thing personally beyond post talking points for the alt-right forming rallies and getting Covid down in North Carolina.

You never respond to anybodies point. You've zero credibility. Keep on trolling though.

https://38.media.tumblr.com/4dcb32e3d919705576bcf2c4263a5f8c/tumblr_n9uqy2UcXD1rrx588o1_400.gif

[Methais]

Democrats are the party of the working class and apparently the only party interested in protecting Americans. What you, Trump and Hannity say when you want to reopen our country is you want luxury services to be available the 1% of the country. You mean you want them to be able to open their gulf club and riding lawnmower production lines to make available positions at sweatshop prices so to continue growing the grotesque wealth of the few at the cost of everyone else.

Of all the useful idiots on here, you're the useful idiotest.

[Methais]

May - 30,000 dead
June - 30,000 dead
July - 30,000 dead
August - 30,000 dead

180,000 dead from February to August. You cool with that?

Maybe troll #3 is.

The problem with the numbers that you just made up is they're still attributing pretty much every death in the universe to this.

Only a megatard like you still believes these numbers are all actual COVID deaths and shouldn't be questioned.

Stay mad 24/7 with your bitchboy mental illness though. :lol:

[Methais]

Trump should have lost in 2016. He's a racist, bankrupt idiot. He should lose in 2020 and the odds are good against anybody who can breath, but the racist white majority is scared of Lebron James. Opening the economy? Nobody is going to change much, China already has proven people don't go to these places they don't need. I can get a haircut now. My 2 sheer is just fine. I can go to the mall...oh wait I'll order that online. Let me go to a 1 * chain restaurant. No thanks. These businesses deserve to die finally. They've been dead since 2008 anyways.

Hate to be someone who clinged to false hope that somehow $26,000 was making it. Those jobs are done. If you're mad or you had one of them. Sorry.

Methais, Tgo and PB go to Jcrew though. Support local right?

https://media.tenor.com/images/3936c43c69f65851c5521a90681ba3ff/tenor.gif

[Methais]

Lol @ your rep

:lol:

[Wrathbringer]

https://media.tenor.com/images/3936c43c69f65851c5521a90681ba3ff/tenor.gif

This is correct.

[Wrathbringer]

You watch yourself Tgo01.. and you speak to the champion with a more appreciative tone.

Who is the current retard champion? I'm out of the loop.

[Parkbandit]

Who is the current retard champion? I'm out of the loop.

The reign of champions went as follows:

Backlash
time4fun (title abandoned by Backlash)
Backlash
Seran (title abandoned by Backlash)

[Methais]

The reign of champions went as follows:

Backlash
time4fun (title abandoned by Backlash)
Backlash
Seran (title abandoned by Backlash)

HEY SHUT UP THERE PK OMG OMG OMG!!!!!!!11

[Fortybox]

The reign of champions went as follows:

Backlash
time4fun (title abandoned by Backlash)
Backlash
Seran (title abandoned by Backlash)

Can’t we just lump them all together?

[Tgo01]

The new press secretary can brief me anytime.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1DD1FMnv-I

[Tgo01]

These reporters as such pieces of shit.

"OMG! The DOW is down today because Trump said he might put tariffs on China! Is that wise?!?!?!?!??!?!?!"

Yeah I'm sure that's it, can't have anything to do with so many Democrat governors and mayors insisting on keeping these lockdowns going for weeks more or even months more. Nope! That can't be it! It's all Trump!

Also this whopper of a "question" from a "journalist": "Do you pledge to us that you will never lie to us from this podium?"

I'm sure they asked Obama's press secretary that on their first day of doing press briefings.

"Reporter": "What do you think about these armed protesters 'storming' the Capitol building in Michigan?"

Motherfucking STORMING? Give me a fucking break.

Is there any lower life form than a modern day journalist?

[Furryrat]

"OMG! The DOW is down today because Trump said he might put tariffs on China! Is that wise?!?!?!?!??!?!?!"

Stocks were down because Elon Musk spent May Day with the bong and downgraded his own company's stock. True story.

[Tgo01]

Stocks were down because Elon Musk spent May Day with the bong and downgraded his own company's stock. True story.

Why for he do that?

[Furryrat]

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1256239815256797184

[kookiegod]

Why for he do that?



Elon Musk is likely to be the first self made billionaire genius who goes to jail for SEC violations in history because he does way too many drugs and then tweets more shit then POTUS.

He has been told to stop by the SEC, his advisors, everyone. Its insane what he does that affects shareholder value, both good and bad. Mostly bad like today.

[~Rocktar~]

https://youtu.be/sPrbGU0Wyh4

[audioserf]

Elon Musk is likely to be the first self made billionaire genius who goes to jail for SEC violations in history because he does way too many drugs and then tweets more shit then POTUS.

He has been told to stop by the SEC, his advisors, everyone. Its insane what he does that affects shareholder value, both good and bad. Mostly bad like today.

Who knew a dumb narcissistic asshole with an inherited apartheid fortune would make shitty decisions on an ongoing basis

[Neveragain]

I love the butthurt of Elon Musk haters.

Elon Musk: Returning/reusable rockets.

Butthurt haters: You're dumb!

Elon Musk: I'm making the internet available to the entire globe.

Butthurt haters: Racist!

Elon Musk: I'm heavily investing in technology that will cure neurological diseases.

Butthurt haters: You're such a narcissist!

Elon Musk: What have you done to advance the betterment of humanity?

Butthurt haters: I play a 30 year old text based game.

https://cms.qz.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Tesla-Elon-Musk-2019-e1568771208955.jpg?quality=75&strip=all&w=1600&h=900&crop=1

[Tgo01]

NYC antibody tests shows 20% of the city has already been infected.

Clearly the lockdowns aren't working so why are the lockdowns still ongoing? 20% WITH lockdowns? Shit just let everyone do what they want and the city will reach herd immunity in just a couple more months. Why are we dragging this out?

NY state as a whole has a 15% infection rate meaning their death rate (WITH their highly inflated numbers) is .8%.

Isn't it funny how everyone laughed at and mocked people who said "It's just the flu! Don't worry!" and they came back with "ZOMG!!!!! It's like 45 times more deadly than the flu!!!1!1!!11"

Granted I'm no mathematician, but what is closer to .8%:

Flu's death rate of .1%
Doomsayers statement of a death rate of 3.7%

But yet it's the flu people who get mocked and ridiculed for being much closer.

Shit if we're going by "The Price is Right" rules the doomsayers are instantly disqualified for not only going over, but the studio audience is laughing at them for being so ridiculously over.

[Tgo01]

Mayor Hitler of Chicago today in regards to people breaking her orders:

"We will shut you down, we will cite you, and if we need to we will arrest you and take you to jail. Period."

Anyone remember that whole "flatten the curve" bullshit they fed us a couple of months ago? Anyone else notice how that isn't talked about much anymore since we "flattened the curve" about 3 weeks ago? So weird how that works.

[Neveragain]

...and 2.8 million more will have filed for unemployment this past week.

[Neveragain]

https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/ny-cop-punches-bystander-east-village-video-20200503-6jvqcbpz4repznfkwj6gnltbvq-story.html

Because you may catch a cold, we are going to throw you to the ground and punch you. It's for your own safety!

[Tgo01]

https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/ny-cop-punches-bystander-east-village-video-20200503-6jvqcbpz4repznfkwj6gnltbvq-story.html

Because you may catch a cold, we are going to throw you to the ground and punch you. It's for your own safety!

I'm getting sick and tired of this "we're saving lives!" bullshit.

And the left just eats that shit up like it's candy. I wonder when the left is going to give up their cars and their cell phones and their nice houses, you know since giving up those things will "save lives!"

They can only talk big when their only "sacrifice" is receiving a paycheck for sitting at home doing nothing.

[Neveragain]

I'm getting sick and tired of this "we're saving lives!" bullshit.

And the left just eats that shit up like it's candy. I wonder when the left is going to give up their cars and their cell phones and their nice houses, you know since giving up those things will "save lives!"

They can only talk big when their only "sacrifice" is receiving a paycheck for sitting at home doing nothing.

Personally it's turned into a giant mess. I had to stop working in November because the Parkinsons finally spread into my legs, I haven't seen fucking dime one. I should have crawled around on the floor for a couple more months so I could collect unemployment.

[ClydeR]

Once upon a time, everyone in the kingdom was happy..



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EXGcqGDXQAMlOt5?format=png&name=small


The end.

[Methais]

https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/ny-cop-punches-bystander-east-village-video-20200503-6jvqcbpz4repznfkwj6gnltbvq-story.html

Because you may catch a cold, we are going to throw you to the ground and punch you. It's for your own safety!

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0120/0692/products/mockup-7257fab8.jpg?v=1559273854

[Wrathbringer]

I'm getting sick and tired of this "we're saving lives!" bullshit.

And the left just eats that shit up like it's candy. I wonder when the left is going to give up their cars and their cell phones and their nice houses, you know since giving up those things will "save lives!"

They can only talk big when their only "sacrifice" is receiving a paycheck for sitting at home doing nothing.

No one who will die from this virus is being saved. These measures are meant to slow the spread, not stop it. People are retarded.

[Neveragain]

Once upon a time, everyone in the kingdom was happy..



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EXGcqGDXQAMlOt5?format=png&name=small


The end.

Clyder is really upset that nobody from these forums has died from the fake pandemic.

[Methais]

Clyder is really upset that nobody from these forums has died from the fake pandemic.

He's also a massive gaylord.

[Seran]

Once upon a time, everyone in the kingdom was happy..



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EXGcqGDXQAMlOt5?format=png&name=small


The end.

Trump the Messiah has spoken.

[Archigeek]

Trump the Messiah has spoken.

Actually, I think he watched George W Bush's video a few times and thought, "so that's how you act presidential, I can be presidential too! I can galvanize the people around me, show sympathy, and what's that word you said earlier, empathy? Tell me about that one again. I can do that!" This is what he came up with. A bad copy of something decent, with a bizarre, apocolyptic twist.

[Seran]

Actually, I think he watched George W Bush's video a few times and thought, "so that's how you act presidential, I can be presidential too! I can galvanize the people around me, show sympathy, and what's that word you said earlier, empathy? Tell me about that one again. I can do that!" This is what he came up with. A bad copy of something decent, with a bizarre, apocolyptic twist.

I actually was thrown how dark it is. it's like reading the open narrative before Fallout or any post apocalyptic game. Goth Trump rules.

[Parkbandit]

I actually was thrown how dark it is. it's like reading the open narrative before Fallout or any post apocalyptic game. Goth Trump rules.

You were so scared I bet!

Poor thing.

[ClydeR]

Clyder is really upset that nobody from these forums has died from the fake pandemic.

It's not my place to announce any names unless the family wants to release it. But everyone should know that we will Never forget.

[Parkbandit]

It's not my place to announce any names unless the family wants to release it. But everyone should know that we will Never forget.

Fuck off Fallen.

[Methais]

It's not my place to announce any names unless the family wants to release it. But everyone should know that we will Never forget.

Shut up loser.

[Wrathbringer]

Shut up loser.

This is correct.

[Methais]

This is correct.

This is correct.

[ClydeR]

Before getting an antibody test, read this and try the simulations..

https://qz.com/1848674/how-to-interpret-the-specificity-sensitivity-of-antibody-tests/

If you want to be sure that you have antibodies, you should get tested three times. Math.

[Parkbandit]

Before getting an antibody test, read this and try the simulations..

https://qz.com/1848674/how-to-interpret-the-specificity-sensitivity-of-antibody-tests/

If you want to be sure that you have antibodies, you should get tested three times. Math.

You should get tested for being such a sensitive little bitch for over a decade now.

[Tgo01]

Before getting an antibody test, read this and try the simulations..

https://qz.com/1848674/how-to-interpret-the-specificity-sensitivity-of-antibody-tests/

If you want to be sure that you have antibodies, you should get tested three times. Math.

Can you just stop Clydering for once?

[Tgo01]

Got my stimulus check today. Trump's signature isn't even on it, it's just his name printed on it. Democrats will bitch about anything.

[Parkbandit]

Can you just stop Clydering for once?

He does when he logs onto Fallen.. but if someone says a mean word towards him, he reverts back into his other "personality".

[Tgo01]

Yesterday was the lowest number of daily deaths in over a month, you know what that means! Time for states to get doctors to classify more drug overdoses and car accidents as Wuhan flu deaths so we can have another all time high of daily deaths within the next few days.

[Seran]

That must be why the Whitehouse is planning for a doubling of the daily death rate and covid-19 models being revised into the six figure range.

[Tgo01]

That must be why the Whitehouse is planning for a doubling of the daily death rate and covid-19 models being revised into the six figure range.

Probably has something to do with drug overdoses and "suspected" cases being added to the official death count, yes.

I'll never understand why some people enjoy being lied to so much. It's fascinating to watch really. They aren't just lying to you, they are OPENLY lying to you.

"Confirmed" death count, oh by the way this includes people we just assumed died of the Wuhan virus. Now repeat after me: "This is the 'confirmed' death count."

[Archigeek]

Johns Hopkins piece on Covid-19:

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/from-our-experts/early-herd-immunity-against-covid-19-a-dangerous-misconception?fbclid=IwAR0JTpM2ddvf_cUo6qzMe9nHUYR rrcocsYyQ5uSiTQGwSn-CQZKuj7Pk-2E

[Tgo01]

Johns Hopkins piece on Covid-19:

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/from-our-experts/early-herd-immunity-against-covid-19-a-dangerous-misconception?fbclid=IwAR0JTpM2ddvf_cUo6qzMe9nHUYR rrcocsYyQ5uSiTQGwSn-CQZKuj7Pk-2E

Fear mongering articles such as that is dumb. No one is suggesting we just say fuck it and let everyone get infected. Facts matter, I know Democrats shy away from facts these days, but they are still there.

The vast, vast, VAST majority of deaths are from elderly people. So here's an idea, protect nursing home patients and older Americans as much as possible. We can still reopen the country, let people live their lives, and save as many people as possible.

500k people will die before we reach herd immunity? Even if we take this piece of fear mongering at face value, how many people will die as a result of these continued lockdowns? Like I said weeks ago I would take these studies seriously if they looked at both the pros and cons of continuing a lockdown, but they don't, they only focus on the pros. You have to ask yourself "Why?" Why do these studies only look at the pros of continued lockdowns? Because they have a political agenda. Don't give me none of this shit that Johns Hopkins isn't political, if they aren't doing a thorough study and showing their work in doing so then what else are we supposed to conclude?

[Methais]

Before getting an antibody test, read this and try the simulations..

https://qz.com/1848674/how-to-interpret-the-specificity-sensitivity-of-antibody-tests/

If you want to be sure that you have antibodies, you should get tested three times. Math.

Shut up Gaylord Focker.

[Seran]

Probably has something to do with drug overdoses and "suspected" cases being added to the official death count, yes.

I'll never understand why some people enjoy being lied to so much. It's fascinating to watch really. They aren't just lying to you, they are OPENLY lying to you.

"Confirmed" death count, oh by the way this includes people we just assumed died of the Wuhan virus. Now repeat after me: "This is the 'confirmed' death count."

So we'll add to the list of people lying to Tgo01;

1) President Trump
2) Dr. Fauci
3) Dr. Birx
4) The MEDIA - Duh duh duuuuhh
5) Every science organization out there.

Apparently the only ones telling the truth in Dreaven's incredibly ignorant world are.. Roger Stone and Sean Hannity.

[Tgo01]

So we'll add to the list of people lying to Tgo01;

1) President Trump
2) Dr. Fauci
3) Dr. Birx
4) The MEDIA - Duh duh duuuuhh
5) Every science organization out there.

Apparently the only ones telling the truth in Dreaven's incredibly ignorant world are.. Roger Stone and Sean Hannity.

Wait so you're unaware of the states who have openly admitted they are adding "suspected" cases to their "confirmed" death totals?

You sad, sad little man. Maybe someday you will see the light, but that's gonna require the world's best proctologist.

[Archigeek]

Fear mongering articles such as that is dumb. No one is suggesting we just say fuck it and let everyone get infected. Facts matter, I know Democrats shy away from facts these days, but they are still there.

The vast, vast, VAST majority of deaths are from elderly people. So here's an idea, protect nursing home patients and older Americans as much as possible. We can still reopen the country, let people live their lives, and save as many people as possible.

500k people will die before we reach herd immunity? Even if we take this piece of fear mongering at face value, how many people will die as a result of these continued lockdowns? Like I said weeks ago I would take these studies seriously if they looked at both the pros and cons of continuing a lockdown, but they don't, they only focus on the pros. You have to ask yourself "Why?" Why do these studies only look at the pros of continued lockdowns? Because they have a political agenda. Don't give me none of this shit that Johns Hopkins isn't political, if they aren't doing a thorough study and showing their work in doing so then what else are we supposed to conclude?

I'll take epidemiologists knowledge of epidemics over yours every day of the week.

[Seran]

Wait so you're unaware of the states who have openly admitted they are adding "suspected" cases to their "confirmed" death totals?



If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck and dies like a duck, it's a duck. When you lack the testing capability to confirm the exact species of duck, you count a duck until proven otherwise. I know the Christian Fundie in you would like to assume this is just a huge, 5G spawned conspiracy, but it's not. The world is sick, with a new highly contagious virus and the world's doctor's are trying to keep us all safe from the ignorant fucks like you.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

lulz. You guys still talking about testing? I was in the hospital all last week. I asked everyone of my nurses about the testing, they said anyone who needed it can get it.

[Alfster]

Yah my state has opened up a ton of new testing sites and are taking in pretty much anyone that has had contact or symptoms. I think it's still heavily dependant on locations, but no complaints with that here.

[Risen]

lulz. You guys still talking about testing? I was in the hospital all last week. I asked everyone of my nurses about the testing, they said anyone who needed it can get it.

Interesting. First, I hope you are well, especially if you spent a week in the hospital. Second, I would ask how "need" is defined. That is a dirty four-letter word that is getting a lot of people spun up on both fringes of the spectrum.

[Risen]

Yah my state has opened up a ton of new testing sites and are taking in pretty much anyone that has had contact or symptoms. I think it's still heavily dependant on locations, but no complaints with that here.

This is my experience, as well. There is a minimal justification required. You cannot just walk in off the street and say you want to be tested because you are curious. And most of the testing offered is still infection testing. I have yet to see antibody testing to any serious degree.

[Methais]

If it walks like a dick, talks like a dick and dies like a dick, I'm gonna suck it.

This is correct.

[Methais]

This is my experience, as well. There is a minimal justification required. You cannot just walk in off the street and say you want to be tested because you are curious. And most of the testing offered is still infection testing. I have yet to see antibody testing to any serious degree.

I got a notice in the other day that they're doing antibody testing in my area. I'm about an hour from New Orleans.

[Astray]

20 minute waiting lines to get into a store where people are finger fucking the merchandise with contaminated gloves or bare hands. They can't wear their masks right. They touch their faces even more now, because of goggles/masks. People now take their entire families on errands now.

This shit is stupid.

[Alfster]

Most stores around here aren't letting kids under 16 in and don't allow more than 1 person per family

[Risen]

I got a notice in the other day that they're doing antibody testing in my area. I'm about an hour from New Orleans.

I would be interested in hearing of your experience, if you choose to get tested. There is so much blather going on, and the FDA flipping head over heels on methods and requirements that it is getting hard to understand. So far, the only real information I have gleaned is

There are three firms presently approved under the new rules and restrictions to provide testing kits, even though there are more than 150 testing kits available
There are three types of tests and at the moment a positive result from two different tests is considered valid, but only one positive is questionable
The tests are covered by insurers, but many insurers are requiring a doctor's scrip before reimbursing the $100 per test fee

[Methais]

I would be interested in hearing of your experience, if you choose to get tested. There is so much blather going on, and the FDA flipping head over heels on methods and requirements that it is getting hard to understand. So far, the only real information I have gleaned is

There are three firms presently approved under the new rules and restrictions to provide testing kits, even though there are more than 150 testing kits available
There are three types of tests and at the moment a positive result from two different tests is considered valid, but only one positive is questionable
The tests are covered by insurers, but many insurers are requiring a doctor's scrip before reimbursing the $100 per test fee

I'm curious too, as I'm fairly certain I already had it in February.

[ClydeR]

Before getting an antibody test, read this and try the simulations..

https://qz.com/1848674/how-to-interpret-the-specificity-sensitivity-of-antibody-tests/

If you want to be sure that you have antibodies, you should get tested three times. Math.




Roche’s COVID-19 antibody test receives FDA Emergency Use Authorization and is available in markets accepting the CE mark

The serology test has a specificity greater than 99.8% and sensitivity of 100% (14 Days post-PCR confirmation)

More... (https://www.roche.com/media/releases/med-cor-2020-05-03.htm)

This is very good news.

If you are getting an antibody test, this is the one you will want. It was just approved by the FDA. Most other tests do not have sufficient "specificity." Since it's new, it may be hard to find. I'm not sure how much it will cost. Unlike other tests, it requires more blood than just a finger prick.

[Tgo01]

I'll take epidemiologists knowledge of epidemics over yours every day of the week.

Good for you. Now ask yourself why they aren't exploring both the pros and cons of continuing shutdowns. Why do you enjoy being lied to almost as much as Seran does?

[Tgo01]

20 minute waiting lines to get into a store where people are finger fucking the merchandise with contaminated gloves or bare hands. They can't wear their masks right. They touch their faces even more now, because of goggles/masks. People now take their entire families on errands now.

This shit is stupid.

Yeah this line shit is the dumbest idea ever.

"Let's have people wait in line outside the store instead of letting them go in and shop and get home faster! We're saving lives!"

I hear Walmart is designating one of their usual two entrances to be an entrance only and the other one an exit only, because you know those .78 seconds where people are passing by each other with one going in and one coming out is going to save so many lives.

People are just being dumb about this shit now.

Masks? Good idea.
6 feet whenever possible? Good idea.
Washing your hands often? Good idea.

Designated entrances/exists? Dumb.
One way lanes only? Dumb.
One way pedestrian streets only? Dumb.
Long lines of people waiting outside the store to only allow a limited number of people in at once? Dumb.

[Fortybox]

Yeah this line shit is the dumbest idea ever.

"Let's have people wait in line outside the store instead of letting them go in and shop and get home faster! We're saving lives!"

I hear Walmart is designating one of their usual two entrances to be an entrance only and the other one an exit only, because you know those .78 seconds where people are passing by each other with one going in and one coming out is going to save so many lives.

People are just being dumb about this shit now.

Masks? Good idea.
6 feet whenever possible? Good idea.
Washing your hands often? Good idea.

Designated entrances/exists? Dumb.
One way lanes only? Dumb.
One way pedestrian streets only? Dumb.
Long lines of people waiting outside the store to only allow a limited number of people in at once? Dumb.

They were dumb about this months ago. This whole pandemic is a fake and we literally killed our economy and have caused years of pain over something that is likely to be around the same fatality as the flu.

[Tgo01]

I'm curious too, as I'm fairly certain I already had it in February.

I honestly think I had it back in December. I was sick almost the entire month and it was something I don't ever remember feeling like before.

Normally I would just say the flu but the flu doesn't typically last almost a whole month.

[Fortybox]

I'm curious too, as I'm fairly certain I already had it in February.

Good job catching it. Reported for destroying America.

[Tgo01]

More proof Democrats are absolute insane. (https://dailycaller.com/2020/05/05/american-coronavirus-death-tolls-accuracy/)

63% of Democrats think death tolls are being UNDER COUNTED. Fucking UNDER COUNTED? We are including deaths from drug overdoses and people just suspected of having died from the Wuhan virus, but that's not enough for 63% of Democrats?

Fucking insane.

[Seran]

More proof Democrats are absolute insane. (https://dailycaller.com/2020/05/05/american-coronavirus-death-tolls-accuracy/)

63% of Democrats think death tolls are being UNDER COUNTED. Fucking UNDER COUNTED? We are including deaths from drug overdoses and people just suspected of having died from the Wuhan virus, but that's not enough for 63% of Democrats?

Fucking insane.

The good news being that the majority feels correctly that the statistics are underreported. That the majority of independents feel that way shows just how ineffective the conservative minority of the Republican party has been spreading misinformation. Hell, 60% of the Republican's polled feel the numbers are accurate or underreported means Trump is going to have some serious credibility and trust problems in November.

[Tgo01]

Hey, Archigeek, since you value the words of epidemiologists so much, here is the epidemiologist who is responsible for most of the Western world going into lockdown thanks to his outrageously wrong fear mongering getting caught violating his own social distancing demands by having his married lover travel across the country multiple times to have sex with him. (https://dailycaller.com/2020/05/05/imperial-college-coronavirus-neil-ferguson-resigns/)

Oh yeah, this isn't the first time this man has been this wrong about diseases. Honestly the fact that he resigned after getting caught fucking a married woman instead of being fired for being so wrong so many times is the most shocking part.


As detailed in The Telegraph, Ferguson has a long history of forecasting doomsday scenarios whenever an infectious disease begins to spread. In 2005, Ferguson predicted that as many as 200 million people could die form the bird flu, but only a few hundred people died worldwide. A few years later, Ferguson returned with another worst-case scenario projection, predicting that 65,000 people in the U.K. could perish from the swine flu. The country’s death toll ended up being 457.

And this time around he predicted 2.5 million deaths in the US and 500k in the UK, once again continuing his very wrong trend. Why THIS time the world listened to him I'll never understand.

Keep being lied to and manipulated, Seran and Archigeek.

[Tgo01]

The good news being that the majority feels correctly that the statistics are underreported. That the majority of independents feel that way shows just how ineffective the conservative minority of the Republican party has been spreading misinformation. Hell, 60% of the Republican's polled feel the numbers are accurate or underreported means Trump is going to have some serious credibility and trust problems in November.

Why would that be on Trump?

Why are you so retarded? You are the most retarded person I have ever interacted with, and I have interacted with legit retards before who were able to use reasoning and common sense about a bajillion times better than you.

[Alfster]

More proof Democrats are absolute insane. (https://dailycaller.com/2020/05/05/american-coronavirus-death-tolls-accuracy/)

63% of Democrats think death tolls are being UNDER COUNTED. Fucking UNDER COUNTED? We are including deaths from drug overdoses and people just suspected of having died from the Wuhan virus, but that's not enough for 63% of Democrats?

Fucking insane.

What it's really telling us is very few people believe the data in front of them. Its almost like there's been no systematic approach from the federal government which has led to states doing their own thing. All of the data associated is incomplete and worthless.

[Tgo01]

What it's really telling us is very few people believe the data in front of them. Its almost like there's been no systematic approach from the federal government which has led to states doing their own thing. All of the data associated is incomplete and worthless.

I ask you the same question: why would this be on the federal government? Since when does the federal government run the vast majority of hospitals in this country or is responsible for holding the hands of states in telling them what is and is not a death from a disease?

I can just see a federal task force being formed and going around to all of the hospitals in the country to tell them how to classify deaths from the Wuhan virus. "Step 1: Did the person die of Wuhan virus? If yes then it's a Wuhan virus death, if no then it's not a Wuhan virus death. That's it. Thank you for your time."

You people and your TDS is off the fucking charts lately.

[Risen]

So I am content Ferguson resigned due to his inability to follow several rules, some of which he himself started.

Taking out of context his early predictions "without social distancing measures" (why did that not get included), and not mentioning his rapid corrections after lock down had started (also missing) and coming in under the current deaths experienced (too much time in the sack) does nothing to sell me on how epidemiologists don't understand diseases. At least as long as he was performing protected sex. Have to greatly admire the UK tabloids when they report infidelity.

I do not understand at all the push to get epidemiologists to weigh in on the state of the economy, supply chain challenges, posturing between Beijing and Washington, or whatever else might be brought into the context of "pro and con". The JH statement is simple, and has been said several times by many others, including some here: Herd Immunity is not going to work. Sources (listed in the JH statement) are suggesting differently. With respect only to the discussion of Herd Immunity, the data provided by JH epidemiologists is likely more accurate than any non-professional estimate. Reality should not drive fear. But why the push to require they also speak on economic matters?

[Alfster]

You don't see the benefit if we had a centralized approach to the virus instead of states bidding up the price of ppe just to have the feds seize it anyway?

Pick one. States rights or federal approach. What we have is some weird combination of the feds making shit worse.

[Tgo01]

So I am content Ferguson resigned due to his inability to follow several rules, some of which he himself started.

Yeah that's what was said.


Taking out of context his early predictions "without social distancing measures"

So we just ignore the fact that he predicted Sweden would have 40k deaths by May 1st if they didn't shut down and yet May 1st came and went and they are currently at 3k deaths? He got it wrong. He got it WAY wrong. It's time to admit that and stop defending bullshit like this.

It's like the dude can't be proven wrong because Western countries listened to his lockdown demands so we can't prove if the lockdowns actually helped or if he was way off with his 2+ million dead Americans prediction, except in the case of Sweden where he made a prediction but Sweden didn't listen to his lockdown demands and he was still way off but we just brush that one aside because it goes against the preferred narrative.


I do not understand at all the push to get epidemiologists to weigh in on the state of the economy, supply chain challenges

Surely they can work with economic experts and other health experts to produce a study that looks at all of the pros and cons of a continued shutdown. Why would anyone in the world be against this? Why would anyone only want one side of the argument unless you are biased and you like what you're hearing from that one side?

[Tgo01]

You don't see the benefit if we had a centralized approach to the virus instead of states bidding up the price of ppe just to have the feds seize it anyway?

Well that's weird to go from "The states couldn't possibly know the difference between a Wuhan virus death and a non-Wuhan virus death without federal help!" to "We need a centralized approach to buying up PPE!" Which you know the federal government did then people started bitching that federal authorities were seizing PPE shipments.


Pick one. States rights or federal approach. What we have is some weird combination of the feds making shit worse.

Weird, I seem to remember YOUR side of the argument bitching that Trump didn't have the right to tell states when they should open up and that should be up to the states, now you're placing all of the blame on Trump. I'll go ahead and make this prediction right now and I feel confident I will be 100% right: if any state does well after reopening the state and their governor will get credit, if any state does poorly after reopening Democrats and TDS sufferers will blame Trump for it even though your side demanded that states make their own decisions on when to reopen and how. Come on, Alfster, why wait until that happens? You and I both know you will do this, just admit it now.

[Fortybox]

So I am content Ferguson resigned due to his inability to follow several rules, some of which he himself started.

Taking out of context his early predictions "without social distancing measures" (why did that not get included), and not mentioning his rapid corrections after lock down had started (also missing) and coming in under the current deaths experienced (too much time in the sack) does nothing to sell me on how epidemiologists don't understand diseases. At least as long as he was performing protected sex. Have to greatly admire the UK tabloids when they report infidelity.

I do not understand at all the push to get epidemiologists to weigh in on the state of the economy, supply chain challenges, posturing between Beijing and Washington, or whatever else might be brought into the context of "pro and con". The JH statement is simple, and has been said several times by many others, including some here: Herd Immunity is not going to work. Sources (listed in the JH statement) are suggesting differently. With respect only to the discussion of Herd Immunity, the data provided by JH epidemiologists is likely more accurate than any non-professional estimate. Reality should not drive fear. But why the push to require they also speak on economic matters?

You are completely wrong in pretty much everything you've talked about in this thread. The numbers are way off. Sorry you're so easily manipulated :/

#fakepandemic

[Risen]

Surely they can work with economic experts and other health experts to produce a study that looks at all of the pros and cons of a continued shutdown. Why would anyone in the world be against this? Why would anyone only want one side of the argument unless you are biased and you like what you're hearing from that one side?

I am pretty sure that is what the president and his response team is doing. Why would anyone want a totally amateurish attempt at explaining side effects to the core point the expert is trying to make. It takes a team of varying professions. Of course, you know this. So I have to believe there is something else you want to see here.


You are completely wrong in pretty much everything you've talked about in this thread. The numbers are way off. Sorry you're so easily manipulated :/

I see no value in anything quoted in the tabloid. I found it amusing that a core reference point would be inferred from the scandal as reported. I chuckled. One might indeed wonder who is manipulating whom.

[Tgo01]

Taking out of context his early predictions "without social distancing measures" (why did that not get included)


So we just ignore the fact that he predicted Sweden would have 40k deaths by May 1st if they didn't shut down and yet May 1st came and went and they are currently at 3k deaths?


I see no value in anything quoted in the tabloid. I found it amusing that a core reference point would be inferred from the scandal as reported. I chuckled. One might indeed wonder who is manipulating whom.

https://i.imgur.com/YAGpXPd.png

[Risen]

And in other news, during Disney's earnings call today, Disney executives assured the shareholders that the FL state governor has acceded that Disney and other major theme parks may operate as they wish, and does not intend to try to direct the matter. The public scrutiny is sufficient to hold Disney accountable. This is good news. I would enjoy things returning to normal. Shanghai opens May 11.

[Risen]

https://i.imgur.com/YAGpXPd.png

This might help, and with it a question - do you honestly believe this could be done in the US? Also, see reports about Sweden's epidemiologist warning that it may not have been the right call, since rates are still increasing, and reporting is ad hoc. Sadly, no real implications on the Swedish economy from the epidemiologist. That was provided by others.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/history/2020/05/sweden-hasnt-locked-down-but-normal-life-is-a-luxury/

[Tgo01]

Also, see reports about Sweden's epidemiologist warning that it may not have been the right call, since rates are still increasing, and reporting is ad hoc.

Why would that matter when we are talking about this guy saying 40k deaths by May 1st and it only ended up being fewer than 2800?

This is the same guy/team every Western nation listened to when they said we had to "flatten the curve" and close everything down. He wasn't off by a few deaths, he was off by a factor of 15, and apparently felt his own rules were so unnecessary that he had his married mistress travel across the country several times to fuck his slimy ass.

Also note he has been grossly wrong several times before, those numbers cited in the "tabloid" are 100% correct, he has predicted millions of deaths several times in the past and the final tally was in the thousands of even the hundreds.

[Archigeek]

Good for you. Now ask yourself why they aren't exploring both the pros and cons of continuing shutdowns. Why do you enjoy being lied to almost as much as Seran does?

Because they aren't economists?


To reach herd immunity for COVID-19, likely 70% or more of the population would need to be immune. Without a vaccine, over 200 million Americans would have to get infected before we reach this threshold. Put another way, even if the current pace of the COVID-19 pandemic continues in the United States – with over 25,000 confirmed cases a day – it will be well into 2021 before we reach herd immunity. If current daily death rates continue, over half a million Americans would be dead from COVID-19 by that time.

So either it takes till well into 2021 to reach herd immunity at the present rate of infection, or the rate of infection goes WAY up for it to happen faster. Or we find a vaccine. In the meantime we will keep plugging along at ~2000 deaths per day, regardless of your contortions.

I for one prefer that the epidemiologists at John's Hopkins or at CIDRAP keep giving us information on the subjects they're experts in, instead of branching out into economics.

[Tgo01]

Because they aren't economists?

Your intellectual dishonesty will only get you so far in life.


In the meantime we will keep plugging along at ~2000 deaths per day, regardless of your contortions.

Some of which are literally drug overdoses being counted as Wuhan virus deaths.


I for one prefer that the epidemiologists at John's Hopkins or at CIDRAP keep giving us information on the subjects they're experts in, instead of branching out into economics.

Why aren't you seeking out opinions of other experts on the cons of continued lockdowns? Why isn't the media interviewing other experts on the cons of continued lockdowns? Why aren't government officials bringing on such experts and having them explain the cons of continued lockdowns?

You're either being intellectually dishonest to the point of absurdity, or you got your head so far down in the sand that you haven't seen the sun in days, or you enjoy being lied to and manipulated. Personally I'm going with the latter option.

[Tgo01]

So either it takes till well into 2021 to reach herd immunity at the present rate of infection, or the rate of infection goes WAY up for it to happen faster. Or we find a vaccine. In the meantime we will keep plugging along at ~2000 deaths per day, regardless of your contortions.

Not to mention that even with my non-expertise I can see their conclusion is such bullshit.

It's assuming the current death rate will continue, which is absolutely dumb because we know for a fact that the vast majority of deaths are elderly people, the disease largely (not totally) doesn't affect younger people to the same degree. In fact 20% of the deaths in NY come from nursing home patients, meaning if we can better protect nursing home patients we can reduce the number of deaths by at least 20% right off the top. No one is suggesting elderly people go out clubbing tomorrow, obviously they should take extra precautions until this thing improves. Also no one is suggesting we pretend nothing ever happened so nursing homes go back to normal, obviously we need to take extra precautions to protect nursing home patients as well until this situation improves.

It's that kind of lazy shit that any person with just a modicum amount of critical thinking would pick up and call bullshit on.

"Gee the overwhelming number of deaths occur in the elderly, 20% of deaths happen in nursing homes, if we better protected our elderly populations we could really lower the number of fatalities, oh wait John's Hopkins says 2000 deaths a day would continue until we reach herd immunity? Never mind then, can't question the experts! The same experts who told us the death rate was between 3.8% and 5%!"

[Archigeek]

Your intellectual dishonesty will only get you so far in life.



Some of which are literally drug overdoses being counted as Wuhan virus deaths.



Why aren't you seeking out opinions of other experts on the cons of continued lockdowns? Why isn't the media interviewing other experts on the cons of continued lockdowns? Why aren't government officials bringing on such experts and having them explain the cons of continued lockdowns?

You're either being intellectually dishonest to the point of absurdity, or you got your head so far down in the sand that you haven't seen the sun in days, or you enjoy being lied to and manipulated. Personally I'm going with the latter option.

As part of my home state governor's daily Covid-19 briefing today, a pair of economists provided economic analysis and projections. They work for government officials (strike 1), it was covered extensively by the media (strike 2), and I watched it (strike 3).

Stop making shit up just because it suits your narrative. The only evidence that I like being lied to is that I read your posts.

[Tgo01]

As part of my home state governor's daily Covid-19 briefing today, a pair of economists provided economic analysis and projections. They work for government officials (strike 1), it was covered extensively by the media (strike 2), and I watched it (strike 3).

1) There is more to consider than just the economy. I know people such as yourself hate this fact but it's true.
2) "Extensively covered by the media"? Get the fuck out of here.
3) Of course states are bringing out experts NOW since there has been a big push for states to open, of course they are going to trot out experts to cover their ass for why they need to reopen the states now.
4) Clearly my point was where were these experts weeks ago or even months ago?
5) Why weren't these experts given the same amount of airtime as the "Lock everything down!" experts.
6) Why aren't other health experts who warn of other great cost of life and health impacts of continued lockdowns given the same amount of air time as the "Lock everything down" experts?
7) You really have to stop being a useful idiot for those who don't have your best interest at heart.
8) They are just using you.

[Archigeek]

Not to mention that even with my non-expertise I can see their conclusion is such bullshit.

It's assuming the current death rate will continue, which is absolutely dumb because we know for a fact that the vast majority of deaths are elderly people, the disease largely (not totally) doesn't affect younger people to the same degree. In fact 20% of the deaths in NY come from nursing home patients, meaning if we can better protect nursing home patients we can reduce the number of deaths by at least 20% right off the top. No one is suggesting elderly people go out clubbing tomorrow, obviously they should take extra precautions until this thing improves. Also no one is suggesting we pretend nothing ever happened so nursing homes go back to normal, obviously we need to take extra precautions to protect nursing home patients as well until this situation improves.

It's that kind of lazy shit that any person with just a modicum amount of critical thinking would pick up and call bullshit on.

"Gee the overwhelming number of deaths occur in the elderly, 20% of deaths happen in nursing homes, if we better protected our elderly populations we could really lower the number of fatalities, oh wait John's Hopkins says 2000 deaths a day would continue until we reach herd immunity? Never mind then, can't question the experts! The same experts who told us the death rate was between 3.8% and 5%!"

it makes no such assumption. In fact it makes clear that IF the current infection rate continues it will take well into 2021 to reach herd immunity. Do you not understand what herd immunity is? Do you actually think the death rate will go down because we'll run out of old people? Because that's what you're implying when you claim the death rate will go down because it mostly only kills old people.

By the way, it also kills other vulnerable populations at higher rates than the general population: smokers, the over weight, the immune system ompromised, and the older but not quite old (50-65). I bet half the people on these boards fit into at least one of those categories, but who cares right? It just kills old people.

[Archigeek]

1) There is more to consider than just the economy. I know people such as yourself hate this fact but it's true.
2) "Extensively covered by the media"? Get the fuck out of here.
3) Of course states are bringing out experts NOW since there has been a big push for states to open, of course they are going to trot out experts to cover their ass for why they need to reopen the states now.
4) Clearly my point was where were these experts weeks ago or even months ago?
5) Why weren't these experts given the same amount of airtime as the "Lock everything down!" experts.
6) Why aren't other health experts who warn of other great cost of life and health impacts of continued lockdowns given the same amount of air time as the "Lock everything down" experts?
7) You really have to stop being a useful idiot for those who don't have your best interest at heart.
8) They are just using you.

The economists first showed up at the Covid-19 briefings on March 16th. Concerns for the health of the economy have been at the forefront from the start.

You seem to think that the economy is going to come roaring back if and when the limits on social interaction are eliminated. People aren't interested in getting sick, or dying prematurely. You can't seem to understand that we won't get a return to a healthy economy until we solve Covid-19.

[Seran]

It just kills old people.

2020-2021 GOP Entitlement Reform Plan - "Let them all die."

[Tgo01]

Do you not understand what herd immunity is?

I know exactly what herd immunity is, I question if you know what it is though.


Do you actually think the death rate will go down because we'll run out of old people?

Holy shit. I think I've explained this at least twice now but let's see if the third time works.

No one is suggesting we pretend nothing ever happened and go back to normal. Since we know who the vulnerable population is (by far the elderly and those in nursing homes) we can help to safeguard the vulnerable population so the death rate goes down.


By the way, it also kills other vulnerable populations at higher rates than the general population: smokers, the over weight, the immune system ompromised, and the older but not quite old (50-65). I bet half the people on these boards fit into at least one of those categories, but who cares right? It just kills old people.

There are varying degrees of disproportional rates, you would understand this if you weren't busy being so intellectually dishonest.

According to the CDC 60% of the deaths have been people aged 75+, another 20% from people aged 65-74. That accounts for 80% of the deaths right there. We know who the most at risk groups are, we know how to better safeguard them now, we know these people should take extra precautions and shouldn't go on a cruise tomorrow.

You can deny facts all you want, that's what Democrats do after all, but facts still exist to us out here in the real world.

[Tgo01]

The economists first showed up at the Covid-19 briefings on March 16th. Concerns for the health of the economy have been at the forefront from the start.

You seem to think that the economy is going to come roaring back if and when the limits on social interaction are eliminated. People aren't interested in getting sick, or dying prematurely. You can't seem to understand that we won't get a return to a healthy economy until we solve Covid-19.

No my point is let people make their own fucking decisions. I understand your political party is basically fascism on steroids, but my whole point (and I'm pretty sure the point of just about everyone who shares my point of view), is let people and businesses make their own fucking decisions. YOU don't get to make the decision for ME that I can't go see a movie, or that I can't go to a casino, or that I can't go sit down at a restaurant.

If businesses want to stay shut down then fine, that's their decision to lose money. If Democrats such as yourself want to hide in your house for the next 18 months and become pale like a vampire then fine, that's your decision. Don't enforce your draconian bullshit on others all under the guise of "We're trying to help you!" Take your fascist shit and shove it where the sun don't shine.

[Risen]

Why would that matter when we are talking about this guy saying 40k deaths by May 1st and it only ended up being fewer than 2800?

This is the same guy/team every Western nation listened to when they said we had to "flatten the curve" and close everything down. He wasn't off by a few deaths, he was off by a factor of 15, and apparently felt his own rules were so unnecessary that he had his married mistress travel across the country several times to fuck his slimy ass.

Also note he has been grossly wrong several times before, those numbers cited in the "tabloid" are 100% correct, he has predicted millions of deaths several times in the past and the final tally was in the thousands of even the hundreds.

My bad. I did not quite take away your meaning that this one individual was responsible for each and every one of the decisions enacted by quite nearly the rest of the world. Yes. That certainly does make more sense now.

[Tgo01]

Yesterday was the lowest number of daily deaths in over a month, you know what that means! Time for states to get doctors to classify more drug overdoses and car accidents as Wuhan flu deaths so we can have another all time high of daily deaths within the next few days.

Scary how good I am. 24 hours later my prediction mostly came true.

Number of "confirmed" deaths today was 2,350, 5th highest on record and just 334 shy of being an all time record.

If only I liked being lied to like several people on this forum.

[Tgo01]

My bad. I did not quite take away your meaning that this one individual was responsible for each and every one of the decisions enacted by quite nearly the rest of the world. Yes. That certainly does make more sense now.

I don't know if you're being sarcastic or not but yes, almost every Western country looked to models from this group (of which this man is a part of that group) for deciding they needed to shutdown their countries.

[Tgo01]

Fascist judge in Houston sent a woman to jail for 7 days for daring to open her salon so she and her employees could earn a living and not have to watch their children starve. Yes that's right. You're a rapist? You get out of jail because your life is supposedly in danger in jail. You're a hard working mother who wants to provide for her family? Jail.

The fascist judge gave the woman a chance to avoid jail time if she apologized to the state. Excuse the fuck out of me? Since when do we live in a society where we owe the state an apology for earning a living?

This is what happens when you let fascist Democrats have power.

[Risen]

Scary how good I am. 24 hours later my prediction mostly came true.

Number of "confirmed" deaths today was 2,350, 5th highest on record and just 334 shy of being an all time record.

If only I liked being lied to like several people on this forum.

Imagine how it will look over this week. But, you are not the first to predict this. Trump said the same thing, last week.

[Tgo01]

Imagine how it will look over this week. But, you are not the first to predict this. Trump said the same thing, last week.

Kind of hard not to predict this since it's the 4th time it has happened where we see a major drop in "confirmed" deaths then 2-3 days later we reach an all time high.

[Risen]

Fascist judge in Houston

Houston or Dallas? It is hard for me to keep those blue dots in the red sea of Texas straight.

[Tgo01]

Houston or Dallas? It is hard for me to keep those blue dots in the red sea of Texas straight.

One of those two liberal hellholes in Texas. They all look alike to me.

[Seran]

Scary how good I am. 24 hours later my prediction mostly came true.

Number of "confirmed" deaths today was 2,350, 5th highest on record and just 334 shy of being an all time record.

If only I liked being lied to like several people on this forum.

Your level of nut job seems to be skyrocketing.

[Tgo01]

Your level of nut job seems to be skyrocketing.

Let's play a game, Seran.

What is the definition of "confirmed."

What is the definition of "suspected."

Can something at the same time be both "confirmed" to be true and "suspected" to be true?

[Seran]

Let's play a game, Seran.

What is the definition of "confirmed."

What is the definition of "suspected."

Can something at the same time be both "confirmed" to be true and "suspected" to be true?

Let's play another game, where we select words that are opposites of one another and pretend it's relevant to the topic. No? Okay.

Whether you're pretending there's incompetence, conspiracy or think you're the Nostradamus of the death rate, you're still bat fuckin crazy.

[Tgo01]

Let's play another game

No no, we're not playing Seran's bullshit brand of deflection and denial and whataboutism. That game is so tired and boring now.

[Tgo01]

So in Europe over HALF of all deaths were in nursing homes. Think about that: HALF.

If that number holds true for the US (which honestly I wouldn't be surprised if it was much higher), that means instead of spending a few bucks (relatively speaking compared to shutting down the economy and handing out trillions to people and businesses) to safeguard the most vulnerable where we know exactly where they are at, we instead decided to shut everything down, plunging the country into a possible depression that might take years or decades to climb out of, all for 35,000 deaths outside of nursing homes.

35k nursing outside of nursing homes. That's not even a mild flu season.

You have to ask yourselves, Democrats, is "getting Trump" really worth all of this? And since I know for a fact this is the first time Archigeek is hearing about this 50% figure, you have to ask yourself, Archigeek, why is this the first time you're hearing about this? Not to mention you completely missed my earlier point, why weren't all of those economic experts that you claim are speaking daily consulted BEFORE the lockdowns? Shouldn't health experts whose expertise is suicide and depression and other health issues have consulted in determining how a 2+ month long lockdown would affect people's health? Shouldn't economists have been consulted? What about experts who could predict the number of homeless and starving people such a long lockdown would produce? Shouldn't all of those experts put together a report and the report made available to the public so we could see all of the pros and cons before the country was shutdown? No? You didn't once question why those experts weren't consulted did you? Of course you didn't. You heard from the epidemiologists (the most prominent of which got it way wrong) fear monger about how we had to do this to save lives. But now that the states can't ignore this shit any longer they bring out what, economists who predict businesses are going under and jobs lost? No fucking shit, I could have told you that shit without receiving a government paycheck.

[Seran]

So in Europe over HALF of all deaths were in nursing homes. Think about that: HALF.

If that number holds true for the US (which honestly I wouldn't be surprised if it was much higher), that means instead of spending a few bucks (relatively speaking compared to shutting down the economy and handing out trillions to people and businesses) to safeguard the most vulnerable where we know exactly where they are at, we instead decided to shut everything down, plunging the country into a possible depression that might take years or decades to climb out of, all for 35,000 deaths outside of nursing homes.

35k nursing outside of nursing homes. That's not even a mild flu season.

You have to ask yourselves, Democrats, is "getting Trump" really worth all of this? And since I know for a fact this is the first time Archigeek is hearing about this 50% figure, you have to ask yourself, Archigeek, why is this the first time you're hearing about this? Not to mention you completely missed my earlier point, why weren't all of those economic experts that you claim are speaking daily consulted BEFORE the lockdowns? Shouldn't health experts whose expertise is suicide and depression and other health issues have consulted in determining how a 2+ month long lockdown would affect people's health? Shouldn't economists have been consulted? What about experts who could predict the number of homeless and starving people such a long lockdown would produce? Shouldn't all of those experts put together a report and the report made available to the public so we could see all of the pros and cons before the country was shutdown? No? You didn't once question why those experts weren't consulted did you? Of course you didn't. You heard from the epidemiologists (the most prominent of which got it way wrong) fear monger about how we had to do this to save lives. But now that the states can't ignore this shit any longer they bring out what, economists who predict businesses are going under and jobs lost? No fucking shit, I could have told you that shit without receiving a government paycheck.

In Tgo01's special brand of Eugenics, we pretend the deaths of the elderly and infirm don't matter to the statistical United States, because somehow they're not as important. How can you sleep at night with your hatred of seniors?

[Tgo01]

In Tgo01's special brand of Eugenics, we pretend the deaths of the elderly and infirm don't matter to the statistical United States, because somehow they're not as important. How can you sleep at night with your hatred of seniors?

Tgo01: Let's spend money to protect the most vulnerable since we know exactly where they are.
Seran: OMG!!!1111!!! Tgo01 says let all the old folks die!!111!!!!11

It's like I said in the other thread:


Note I don't think Democrat voters are evil, but there are some, like Androidpk, some I think are just blinded by their own hatred that they can't recognize how evil their party is, like Seran, others are just batshit crazy which make them a perfect fit for the Democrat party, like time4fun, the rest of the Democrat voters are either too naive to realize how evil their party is or for they have convinced themselves that Republicans are somehow still worse.

[Archigeek]

Tgo01: makes bullet point list wailing and gnashing teeth: why oh why weren't the economists being trotted out earlier!
Tgo01 after being shown how economists were some of the first experts brought out when states started to look at what to do: I didn't mean that!
Tgo01 five posts later: why weren't economists brought out earlier!

[Tgo01]

Tgo01: makes bullet point list wailing and gnashing teeth: why oh why weren't the economists being trotted out earlier!
Tgo01 after being shown how economists were some of the first experts brought out when states started to look at what to do: I didn't mean that!
Tgo01 five posts later: why weren't economists brought out earlier!

Your intellectual dishonesty is astounding lately. YOU were the one who brought up "economists", I said other experts to report on all of the cons of a long shutdown. You know there are vastly more cons than just a bunch of economists saying businesses will close and people will lose jobs right? Then again maybe you don't know because you seem awfully ignorant about a lot of shit going on.

[Archigeek]

According to the US Bureau of the Census, slightly over 5% of the 65+ population occupy nursing homes, congregate care, assistedliving, and board and care homes, and about 4.2% are in nursing homes at any given time.

So what's your plan for protecting the other 95% of seniors?

There's going to be no easy button for bringing the economy back, by just building a wall around the elderly, and letting everyone else go back to business as usual.

[Archigeek]

Your intellectual dishonesty is astounding lately. YOU were the one who brought up "economists", I said other experts to report on all of the cons of a long shutdown. You know there are vastly more cons than just a bunch of economists saying businesses will close and people will lose jobs right? Then again maybe you don't know because you seem awfully ignorant about a lot of shit going on.

You claim the epidemiologists at John's Hopkins are full of shit. You said CIDRAP were a bunch of leftist propagandists, and then asked why other experts weren't being brought out. I brought up economists as a logical example, and you say, but why not earlier?!? I say hey look, here's some economists from mid March, and now it's waah waah waah!

You change your mind so much you should be in the goalpost relocation program.

[Wrathbringer]

So what's your plan for protecting the other 95% of seniors?

There's going to be no easy button for bringing the economy back, by just building a wall around the elderly, and letting everyone else go back to business as usual.

So don't build a wall. Everyone is going to get this. Lives cannot be saved, so why tank the economy and cause financial hardship on everyone else over a few more days for the few at risk? Accept it as the act of nature it is and let it disperse. Stop slowing the spread. Bleeding heart liberals want to save everyone no matter the cost and it just isn't possible.

[Risen]

So don't build a wall. Everyone is going to get this. Lives cannot be saved, so why tank the economy and cause financial hardship on everyone else over a few more days for the few at risk? Accept it as the act of nature it is and let it disperse. Stop slowing the spread. Bleeding heart liberals want to save everyone no matter the cost and it just isn't possible.

Sorry, WB, but I believe there is still a balance. What is needed is to prevent unnecessary loss. Life, property, riches, jobs, world status, all of these and more are intricately tied. The balance in reducing all losses is an imperative. I am not happy at all that the property, riches, jobs and world status are falling behind. Propaganda on all sides and external to the US is only causing the pendulum to swing faster. But the answer is not as simple as shrugging our shoulders and suggesting we let death be the sacrifice. It is not the American way, and it should not be here.

I am not a liberal. But I do hold to the sanctity of life being one of our core values. I suggest that is important to anyone who personally could be touched by loss, and would not wish it on anyone.

[Tgo01]

So what's your plan for protecting the other 95% of seniors?

Doesn't change the fact that 50% of the deaths are people living in nursing homes, so clearly it's not just age, there are other factors at play here. If it turns out the US is similar to Europe with 50% from nursing homes (which again wouldn't surprise me, remember Washington State's initial outbreak of deaths was almost all from the same nursing home) then that means so far, of the whole US, there have only been 35k deaths outside of nursing homes.

Isn't it kind of silly to keep these dumb lockdowns going knowing this information? 35k deaths outside of nursing homes. Again that's not even a mild flu season, that's like a very minor flu season, and yet we are causing trillions of dollars in damages, ruining countless lives and businesses, fucking up people's education, and harming our nation for potentially years. You have to admit at this point it's "Get Trump!" Unless you are seriously arguing we need to do this every time the flu comes around, because if you're not suggesting this then you have to explain why 35k deaths from Wuhan flu = shut everything down, 35k deaths from flu = crickets.

[Fortybox]

So don't build a wall. Everyone is going to get this. Lives cannot be saved, so why tank the economy and cause financial hardship on everyone else over a few more days for the few at risk? Accept it as the act of nature it is and let it disperse. Stop slowing the spread. Bleeding heart liberals want to save everyone no matter the cost and it just isn't possible.

No, liberals actually want this to go on longer as they think it will hurt Trumps chances of re-election. It has nothing to do with saving lives - that’s just the pretense they hide behind.

Anyone with some common sense can see this for what it is. It’s an overblown, fake pandemic and the democrats will do everything they can to prolong it. More people will die as a result than those who actually got the virus.

[ClydeR]

Doesn't change the fact that 50% of the deaths are people living in nursing homes, so clearly it's not just age, there are other factors at play here. If it turns out the US is similar to Europe with 50% from nursing homes (which again wouldn't surprise me, remember Washington State's initial outbreak of deaths was almost all from the same nursing home) then that means so far, of the whole US, there have only been 35k deaths outside of nursing homes.

Isn't it kind of silly to keep these dumb lockdowns going knowing this information? 35k deaths outside of nursing homes. Again that's not even a mild flu season, that's like a very minor flu season, and yet we are causing trillions of dollars in damages, ruining countless lives and businesses, fucking up people's education, and harming our nation for potentially years. You have to admit at this point it's "Get Trump!" Unless you are seriously arguing we need to do this every time the flu comes around, because if you're not suggesting this then you have to explain why 35k deaths from Wuhan flu = shut everything down, 35k deaths from flu = crickets.



Because people in nursing homes don't die from the flu? If you subtract nursing home deaths for COVID-19 then you should also subtract nursing home deaths for flu. Apples to apples.

Furthermore, nursing home deaths from COVID-19 in states that are reporting nursing home deaths separately are 27% (https://www.kff.org/medicaid/issue-brief/state-reporting-of-cases-and-deaths-due-to-covid-19-in-long-term-care-facilities/) of all deaths in those states from COVID-19.

COVID-19 is now the leading cause of death (https://www.newsweek.com/coronavirus-becomes-number-one-cause-death-per-day-us-surpassing-heart-disease-cancer-1495607) in the United States, surpassing cancer and heart disease, which, by the way, also kill people in nursing homes.

[ClydeR]

No, liberals actually want this to go on longer as they think it will hurt Trumps chances of re-election. It has nothing to do with saving lives - that’s just the pretense they hide behind.

Anyone with some common sense can see this for what it is. It’s an overblown, fake pandemic and the democrats will do everything they can to prolong it. More people will die as a result than those who actually got the virus.


The White House has set conditions (https://www.whitehouse.gov/openingamerica/) that states should meet "satisfy before proceeding to phased comeback." Most, if not all, states have not yet met those conditions.

[Fortybox]

The White House has set conditions (https://www.whitehouse.gov/openingamerica/) that states should meet "satisfy before proceeding to phased comeback." Most, if not all, states have not yet met those conditions.

Shut up Fallen.

[Wrathbringer]

Sorry, WB, but I believe there is still a balance. What is needed is to prevent unnecessary loss. Life, property, riches, jobs, world status, all of these and more are intricately tied. The balance in reducing all losses is an imperative. I am not happy at all that the property, riches, jobs and world status are falling behind. Propaganda on all sides and external to the US is only causing the pendulum to swing faster. But the answer is not as simple as shrugging our shoulders and suggesting we let death be the sacrifice. It is not the American way, and it should not be here.

I am not a liberal. But I do hold to the sanctity of life being one of our core values. I suggest that is important to anyone who personally could be touched by loss, and would not wish it on anyone.

TR;DR

[Methais]

The good news being that the majority feels correctly that the statistics are underreported. That the majority of independents feel that way shows just how ineffective the conservative minority of the Republican party has been spreading misinformation. Hell, 60% of the Republican's polled feel the numbers are accurate or underreported means Trump is going to have some serious credibility and trust problems in November.

What's it like being this stupid? Is it painful?

[Tgo01]

Fascist judge in Houston sent a woman to jail for 7 days for daring to open her salon so she and her employees could earn a living and not have to watch their children starve. Yes that's right. You're a rapist? You get out of jail because your life is supposedly in danger in jail. You're a hard working mother who wants to provide for her family? Jail.

The fascist judge gave the woman a chance to avoid jail time if she apologized to the state. Excuse the fuck out of me? Since when do we live in a society where we owe the state an apology for earning a living?

This is what happens when you let fascist Democrats have power.

Holy shit. I just read that he actually demanded she apologize to the elected officials!!


Luther, who owns a salon in Dallas, was told by Judge Eric Moye that she "owe[s] an apology to the elected officials for whom you disrespected for flagrantly ignoring and, in one case, defiling their orders, which you now know obviously applies to you."

She owes an apology to elected officials? Not even the state in general, but the actual elected officials? This shit is straight out of fucking communist China, which is probably why Democrats such as Seran jerk their tiny dicks off to it instead of being outraged about it.

Speaking of communist China, 100 years from now when this event is discussed in history books, assuming Democrats haven't completely destroy this country and the world by then, people will be like "Why did those morons take their cues about locking down their economy from a country that engaged in forced abortions, arrested their Muslim minority and placed them in reeducation camps and harvested their organs, locked people in their homes during a pandemic so they would starve to death, arrested and jailed people who tried to warn the world about the Wuhan virus, routinely disappeared dissidents, and a variety of other horrible human rights abuses that are too numerous to mention."

Of course Republicans and other sane people will be saying this shit in a couple of years.

[Methais]

This might help, and with it a question - do you honestly believe this could be done in the US? Also, see reports about Sweden's epidemiologist warning that it may not have been the right call, since rates are still increasing, and reporting is ad hoc. Sadly, no real implications on the Swedish economy from the epidemiologist. That was provided by others.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/history/2020/05/sweden-hasnt-locked-down-but-normal-life-is-a-luxury/

But the WHO said it was a smart move, and as we all know by now, what the WHO says is gospel that should never be questioned.

[Tgo01]

China is now going after Wuhan virus survivors and the families of those who died to the virus via bribes, threats, and arrests to ensure they don't talk about what happened because China is trying to cover up their up their own fuckups. Why again did we rush to implement the Chinese model here in the US?

[Neveragain]

Holy shit. I just read that he actually demanded she apologize to the elected officials!!



She owes an apology to elected officials? Not even the state in general, but the actual elected officials? This shit is straight out of fucking communist China, which is probably why Democrats such as Seran jerk their tiny dicks off to it instead of being outraged about it.

Speaking of communist China, 100 years from now when this event is discussed in history books, assuming Democrats haven't completely destroy this country and the world by then, people will be like "Why did those morons take their cues about locking down their economy from a country that engaged in forced abortions, arrested their Muslim minority and placed them in reeducation camps and harvested their organs, locked people in their homes during a pandemic so they would starve to death, arrested and jailed people who tried to warn the world about the Wuhan virus, routinely disappeared dissidents, and a variety of other horrible human rights abuses that are too numerous to mention."

Of course Republicans and other sane people will be saying this shit in a couple of years.

I got to listen to one of these idiots today talk about how well China handled this compared to the US. Knowing this guy had to be a virtue gesturing leftist, I checked his profile. Sure enough, there it was, "communist, Muslim,...." he had all the NPC titles. So I linked the 1.5 million Muslims placed in re-education camps/labor camps. In return he linked a China ran article about how China is helping the Muslims. So I asked "Then who is lying, the Communists or the Muslims?". Then he proceeded to call me a cunt in a rapid fire of tweets.

https://media1.giphy.com/media/p73ysgcGPUhTW/200.gif

[Tgo01]

I got to listen to one of these idiots today talk about how well China handled this compared to the US. Knowing this guy had to be a virtue gesturing leftist, I checked his profile. Sure enough, there it was, "communist, Muslim,...." he had all the NPC titles. So I linked the 1.5 million Muslims placed in re-education camps/labor camps. In return he linked a China ran article about how China is helping the Muslims. So I asked "Then who is lying, the Communists or the Muslims?". Then he proceeded to call me a cunt in a rapid fire of tweets.

https://media1.giphy.com/media/p73ysgcGPUhTW/200.gif

So many Serans out there, it's crazy.

[Solkern]

China is now going after Wuhan virus survivors and the families of those who died to the virus via bribes, threats, and arrests to ensure they don't talk about what happened because China is trying to cover up their up their own fuckups. Why again did we rush to implement the Chinese model here in the US?

Strange, because I have friends in Wuhan, who had family members die of the virus, and they say no such thing is taking place.

[Tgo01]

You should all watch the new press secretary humiliate the press:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0ndMvGDX4U

[Tgo01]

Strange, because I have friends in Wuhan, who had family members die of the virus, and they say no such thing is taking place.

Tgo01: China is bribing, threatening, and arresting survivors and families of those who died to the Wuhan virus to ensure they don't talk about what happened.
Solkern: That's not true because I know people in Wuhan who are family members of people who died to the virus who say that isn't happening.
Tgo01: ...

[Gelston]

Strange, because I have friends in Wuhan, who had family members die of the virus, and they say no such thing is taking place.

Sure you do.

[Ashlander]

Strange, because I have friends in Wuhan, who had family members die of the virus, and they say no such thing is taking place.

Probably have a gun to their head as they say it.

[Solkern]

Sure you do.

Sorry, some people have actually travelled the world, not just on the TV like you.

[Solkern]

Tgo01: China is bribing, threatening, and arresting survivors and families of those who died to the Wuhan virus to ensure they don't talk about what happened.
Solkern: That's not true because I know people in Wuhan who are family members of people who died to the virus who say that isn't happening.
Tgo01: ...


You should probably add more details to your post.
They are doing it to people who are trying to take legal action. Yeah it’s wrong and fucked up, but your blanket statement, gives an extremely wrong impression.

[Tgo01]

You should probably add more details to your post.
They are doing it to people who are trying to take legal action. Yeah it’s wrong and fucked up, but your blanket statement, gives an extremely wrong impression.

They are also censoring online speech and shutting down support groups for survivors and family of the Wuhan virus. What do you think the goal is of these actions? Here's a hint: to cover up the communist party's failures in regards to the virus.

[Solkern]

They are also censoring online speech and shutting down support groups for survivors and family of the Wuhan virus. What do you think the goal is of these actions? Here's a hint: to cover up the communist party's failures in regards to the virus.

They censor all online speech. I can’t even write Winnie the Pooh on my WeChat account or it gets blocked for 24 hours. Lol

[Alfster]

Dude that's what China does every day. Virus or not

[ClydeR]

Trump said that if there are only 100,000 deaths -- which includes people in nursing homes if Certain People were wondering -- it would indicate that he was successful in fighting the "invisible enemy." Having no shame, liberals are overstating the number of deaths to make Trump look bad. Unless people are proven by autopsy to have died of the coronavirus, then they should not count against Trump. We need to change the way we count deaths to keep it from becoming political!


President Trump has complained to advisers about the way coronavirus deaths are being calculated, suggesting the real numbers are actually lower — and a number of his senior aides share this view, according to sources with direct knowledge.

What's next: A senior administration official said he expects the president to begin publicly questioning the death toll as it closes in on his predictions for the final death count and damages him politically.

More... (https://www.axios.com/trump-coronavirus-death-toll-d8ba60a4-316b-4d1e-8595-74970c15fb34.html)

[Tgo01]

Pelosi says she is going to demand a "guaranteed monthly income" in the next Wuhan virus relief package...for illegal aliens.

Yes that's right, she is willing to screw over hard working Americans by stalling relief to them until illegal aliens are gifted tax payer dollars.

Democrat party is pure evil. It's time to stop voting Democrat, it's a luxury we can't afford anymore as a nation.

[Tgo01]

Well isn't this something? (https://www.nydailynews.com/coronavirus/ny-coronavirus-cuomo-coronavirus-stats-20200506-eyqui4b5lfdn7g6cqswkf6otly-story.html)


The majority of recently hospitalized coronavirus patients in New York are people who have followed the precaution of staying home, Gov. Cuomo said Wednesday.

The governor said it was “shocking" that 66% of new coronavirus hospitalizations are people who are either retired or unemployed and not commuting to work on a regular basis.

So 66% of recent Wuhan virus hospitalizations were people who were already staying at home and practicing social distancing?

Okay then there we go, the lockdowns are having zero effect on slowing/stopping the spread and we are literally putting our nation and ourselves into debt and causing long term damage for literally no reason.

Some other interesting stats:


According to the data, 18% of new cases came from nursing homes, 4% from assisted-living facilities, 2% from congregate-care facilities, 2% were homeless, less than 1% from prisons and 8% were marked as “other."

So 66% were from people staying at home and practicing social distancing and ~25% were from nursing homes/assisted living facilities. That's fucking 91% of recent hospitalizations are from people who are largely already practicing social distancing and staying at home.

Some more stats:


A total of 46% of new cases were unemployed and 37% were retired.

That means only 17% of the recent hospitalizations were from people actually going to work.

If you are still supporting lockdowns after reading this then you are literally pushing a political agenda and you don't give a single shit about "saving lives."

Is "getting Trump" really THAT important to you?

[Methais]

My level of butthurt seems to be skyrocketing.

This is correct.

[Methais]

In Tgo01's special brand of Eugenics, we pretend the deaths of the elderly and infirm don't matter to the statistical United States, because somehow they're not as important. How can you sleep at night with your hatred of seniors?

I know right? Who the fuck has ever heard of old people dying at high rates before this?

[Methais]

Sorry, WB, but I believe there is still a balance. What is needed is to prevent unnecessary loss. Life, property, riches, jobs, world status, all of these and more are intricately tied. The balance in reducing all losses is an imperative. I am not happy at all that the property, riches, jobs and world status are falling behind. Propaganda on all sides and external to the US is only causing the pendulum to swing faster. But the answer is not as simple as shrugging our shoulders and suggesting we let death be the sacrifice. It is not the American way, and it should not be here.

I am not a liberal. But I do hold to the sanctity of life being one of our core values. I suggest that is important to anyone who personally could be touched by loss, and would not wish it on anyone.

Do you believe that destroying the world's economy and/or any deaths that are a result of it are also unnecessary losses? Because that's going to happen.

[Methais]

No, liberals actually want this to go on longer as they think it will hurt Trumps chances of re-election. It has nothing to do with saving lives - that’s just the pretense they hide behind.

Anyone with some common sense can see this for what it is. It’s an overblown, fake pandemic and the democrats will do everything they can to prolong it. More people will die as a result than those who actually got the virus.

This is correct, regardless of how sore it makes Seran's anus.

[Risen]

Do you believe that destroying the world's economy and/or any deaths that are a result of it are also unnecessary losses? Because that's going to happen.

Yes, and I agree it will.

[Methais]

Yes, and I agree it will.

Which ones are "more" unnecessary then? 80-year-olds with one foot already in the grave who would probably keel over from a stiff breeze and who probably aren't going out into public anyway and basically already social distance 24/7 in the nursing home or at home with their 6 cats over a "pandemic" with a smaller death count than the flu?

The answer can't be both, but it also can't be neither, especially when we're about to literally wreck the entire world over it which will cause far more deaths than this dumb shit ever could.

[Risen]

Which ones are "more" unnecessary then? 80-year-olds with one foot already in the grave who would probably keel over from a stiff breeze and who probably aren't going out into public anyway and basically already social distance 24/7 in the nursing home or at home with their 6 cats over a "pandemic" with a smaller death count than the flu?

The answer can't be both, but it also can't be neither, especially when we're about to literally wreck the entire world over it which will cause far more deaths than this dumb shit ever could.

I do not subscribe to any one life being worth more or less than another to save. Medical professionals have to do enough of this as it is, but statistics plays zero role here unless we are talking actuarial sciences. I am not.

The goal should be to limit deaths to the smallest possible number as a total of any and all categories, period. Internal wrangling will continue about how to prioritize these categories. I want the lowest possible number of deaths. All categories. Period. In this, I am totally apolitical.

Did we go too far? Yes. Is a child's death (for any reason) because his mother got put in jail for 7 days for some stupid judge's rationalization that she personally threatened her entire community and should apologize more important or less important than a child that simply dies from Covid-19? No.

I disagree with you, though. We are not "about to literally wreck". The world's economic and geo-political standings are already wrecked. The US culture, our belief systems, our economy, our values - all of these are damaged, all in 90 days. It will take years to recover from where we are right now. But we need to start that recovery immediately, not in a week or a month. Can we arrest the problem quickly? No. Is there one category we can focus on to simplify things? No. After all, we have already made that mistake.

[Risen]

Factoids (and a conservative correction):

Source for 2018 data: https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/68/wr/mm6826a5.htm
Source for Covid-19 data: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

Fact - For 2018, the average daily death rate for all categories - 7,779
Fact - For 2018, the average daily death rate for all categories February through April - 7,901
Fact - For 2020 Covid-19 the average daily death rate February through May 5 (76,000 over 94 days) - 809
Correction - For 2020 Covid-19, the average daily death rate adjusted for reporting shenanigans (75% of total) - 606

Fact - Average daily percent increase of Covid-19 deaths above 2018 (809 / 7901+809) - 9.3%
Correction - Average daily percent increase of Covid-19 deaths adjusted for reporting shenanigans above 2018 (606 / 7901+606) - 7.1%

Fact (for correlation) - my earlier position of 1% of population, or 330,000 annualized being a suggested threshold means an average daily death rate of 904.

My position based on these facts: Clearly, under 10% increase in average daily deaths is a minimal threshold before shuttering businesses. It might even need to be as high as 20%. I cannot yet suggest a threshold for shuttering schools - which influences / impacts businesses.

[Tgo01]

My position based on these facts: Clearly, under 10% increase in average daily deaths is a minimal threshold before shuttering businesses. It might even need to be as high as 20%. I cannot yet suggest a threshold for shuttering schools - which influences / impacts businesses.

91% of recent NY hospitalizations were from unemployed people (most likely unemployed due to the lockdowns), retired people, or people living in nursing homes/assisted living communities.

Clearly the lockdowns are doing nothing to slow the spread and are just causing harm to everyone.

There really is no argument for lockdowns anymore. NY governor Cuomo, in his quest to prove the people getting sick are all commuting to work via public transportation, accidentally proved just the opposite, yet for some reason he and other Democrat dictators are still pushing for continued shutdowns.

[Tgo01]

Fascist judge in Houston sent a woman to jail for 7 days for daring to open her salon so she and her employees could earn a living and not have to watch their children starve. Yes that's right. You're a rapist? You get out of jail because your life is supposedly in danger in jail. You're a hard working mother who wants to provide for her family? Jail.

The fascist judge gave the woman a chance to avoid jail time if she apologized to the state. Excuse the fuck out of me? Since when do we live in a society where we owe the state an apology for earning a living?

This is what happens when you let fascist Democrats have power.

Fuck this piece of shit judge. The governor of Texas signed an executive order that retroactively forbids judge's from imposing jail time for people who violate the stay at home orders, shortly afterwards the Texas supreme court ordered the immediate release of Shelley Luther (remember her name!).

So not only was she released after a day but her GoFundMe page raised over 500,000 dollars.

Fuck that judge.

My justice boner is at like 90% length right now, to get to 100% that judge himself needs to be jailed, or the very least removed from the bench. But he's in a deep place area so it's full of Serans who just love voting in fascist judges so my justice boner won't reach full potential.

[Risen]

91% of recent NY hospitalizations were from unemployed people (most likely unemployed due to the lockdowns), retired people, or people living in nursing homes/assisted living communities.



So does that mean you support 10% as the minimum threshold?

[Risen]

... that judge himself needs to be jailed, or the very least removed from the bench.

Yes, judges are supposed to be apolitical as well, and I agree that this judge deserves censure and possibly removal. I would support removal. But then, I'm not a Demo-Dallaser, either.

[Tgo01]

So does that mean you support 10% as the minimum threshold?

What in the world are you talking about?

[Tgo01]

This is an interesting graph:

https://mediadc.brightspotcdn.com/dims4/default/9ec531a/2147483647/strip/true/crop/1000x1293+0+0/resize/1000x1293!/quality/90/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmediadc.brightspotcdn.com%2Fa2% 2F6e%2F2879c36f42de88e44f119ba1c072%2Fdownload.jpg

Does it look familiar to anyone else?

https://mediadc.brightspotcdn.com/dims4/default/5f95bff/2147483647/strip/true/crop/900x466+0+0/resize/900x466!/quality/90/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmediadc.brightspotcdn.com%2Fb0% 2F93%2F3b8d5d4e48949d5005bf412314c6%2Fcdc-1.jpg

Oh that's right, looks almost identical to the graph we were told in regards to our need to "flatten the curve", the brown peak being what we wanted to avoid and the blue line being what we wanted to see, but it looks like NY ended up being the "don't do this" brown peak and the rest of the US ended up being the "Great job!" blue line, yet for some reason NY governor Cuomo is praised as being the best governor ever and each and every single Republican governor is attacked for being a failure. So weird.

[Risen]

What in the world are you talking about?

Dude, you quoted my point about 10% to 20% in your post about 91% of the recent hospitalizations being related to stay-at-home rules. How should I take the question "what in the world" am I talking about, in that context?

[Methais]

Fuck this piece of shit judge. The governor of Texas signed an executive order that retroactively forbids judge's from imposing jail time for people who violate the stay at home orders, shortly afterwards the Texas supreme court ordered the immediate release of Shelley Luther (remember her name!).

So not only was she released after a day but her GoFundMe page raised over 500,000 dollars.

Fuck that judge.

My justice boner is at like 90% length right now, to get to 100% that judge himself needs to be jailed, or the very least removed from the bench. But he's in a deep place area so it's full of Serans who just love voting in fascist judges so my justice boner won't reach full potential.

https://www.eastonspectator.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/Obama-Judge-600x600.jpg

[Tgo01]

Dude, you quoted my point about 10% to 20% in your post about 91% of the recent hospitalizations being related to stay-at-home rules. How should I take the question "what in the world" am I talking about, in that context?

You said a 10% increase in average daily deaths should be the threshold for shuttering businesses.

I pointed out that 91% of recent NY hospitalizations are from people who aren't working anyways.

My point wasn't the average daily death increase but rather the shuttering of businesses. If businesses are shuttered and 91% of the people requiring hospitalizations are people who aren't working or taking public transit anyways then what good is shuttering businesses doing? Clearly the NY survey has shown that closing down the economy doesn't do shit.

The ONLY thing that would have an impact is if literally each and every single person stayed home for 2-4 weeks, but that is literally impossible so why are we doing these dumb half measures that are causing more harm than good?

[Tgo01]

What happens when you're fake news and you have been hyping up the Wuhan virus so much that you need long lines at testing facilities to prove how bad things are, but there are no long lines at testing facilities? Well you get employees from said testing facilities to get in their cars and line up in the drive thru testing center and take video of the long line to use in your fake new story of course!

https://www.westernjournal.com/cbs-news-admits-airing-staged-coronavirus-clip-pulls-video/

[Risen]

You said a 10% increase in average daily deaths should be the threshold for shuttering businesses.

Yes, well I asked rather if 10% was good, or if it should be higher. I will put you down for "higher".


I pointed out that 91% of recent NY hospitalizations are from people who aren't working anyways.

Yes, you did. You took out jails and the "other" category, and got 91%. And I get that it presents a reasonable and actually mind-boggling statistic. 66% of those taken in (660) were people who were following the lock down mandates as each self-reported, and probably not accurately self-reported. Still this is an incredible statistic. We already know the effects among homeless, nursing home / assisted living facilities and the like are disproportionately high.

But that is from yesterday, and is one day across the entirety of the plague we have been suffering, from a small group of hospitals and from a survey of 1000 patients taken in. I believe this report from Cuomo has a purpose that you have not yet touched on. I am going to guess (no factoid, rampant speculation) that it is in a demographically poor, minority / ethnic oriented neighborhood (the Bronx, maybe) and the purpose of the number and "surprise" evidenced really does not have to do with any statistically germane tracking of the virus and its effects. I would guess given the narrow sample that it will be used to further buttress the Democrat position of disproportionate effects in communities of low-income color need specific attention and help.


My point wasn't the average daily death increase but rather the shuttering of businesses.

And we are agreed that the shuttering of businesses needs to stop. Pointing to yesterday's partial and preliminary NY statistics driving the urgent need for action now does not align with my observations. But I admit I am also already past the need of being influenced to agree. My point was and remains - how do we reasonably predict when it should happen in the next iteration. Because it will happen again.

Frankly, though - I am just as stunned that you did not take this back to the "creating opportunities to get paid" point you were carrying not long in the past. Another rampant speculation, under rules from two weeks or more ago, the vast majority of that 660 number do not require critical care, and would have simply been told to go home and not leave home unless a life-threatening emergency occurred. That certainly was not disclosed in the governor's briefing.

Yes - as the dust settles I see more and more disturbing dissonant activities occurring, and I may be biased in how I am applying my thinking towards their results. But I do not need these snippets of limited data value from Cuomo to drive a decision that should already be in place and should already be well in execution.

[Jeril]

Factoids (and a conservative correction):

Source for 2018 data: https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/68/wr/mm6826a5.htm
Source for Covid-19 data: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

Fact - For 2018, the average daily death rate for all categories - 7,779
Fact - For 2018, the average daily death rate for all categories February through April - 7,901
Fact - For 2020 Covid-19 the average daily death rate February through May 5 (76,000 over 94 days) - 809
Correction - For 2020 Covid-19, the average daily death rate adjusted for reporting shenanigans (75% of total) - 606

Fact - Average daily percent increase of Covid-19 deaths above 2018 (809 / 7901+809) - 9.3%
Correction - Average daily percent increase of Covid-19 deaths adjusted for reporting shenanigans above 2018 (606 / 7901+606) - 7.1%

Fact (for correlation) - my earlier position of 1% of population, or 330,000 annualized being a suggested threshold means an average daily death rate of 904.

My position based on these facts: Clearly, under 10% increase in average daily deaths is a minimal threshold before shuttering businesses. It might even need to be as high as 20%. I cannot yet suggest a threshold for shuttering schools - which influences / impacts businesses.

1% of 330, 000, 000 is 330,000? I could have gotten this right by the time I was in the fourth grade. You need to cooldown and focus on the basics instead of trying to prove yourself right. And in case you missed it 1% of 330, 000, 000 is 3,300,000

[Risen]

1% of 330, 000, 000 is 330,000? I could have gotten this right by the time I was in the fourth grade. You need to cooldown and focus on the basics instead of trying to prove yourself right. And in case you missed it 1% of 330, 000, 000 is 3,300,000

Right you are, I was in err by a decimal point. My original post was more accurate. Appreciate the correction. The material impact to the point is null, though. Did you have a perspective on the need to establish a threshold to be sure we did not repeat this, next time?

[Tgo01]

Yes, you did. You took out jails and the "other" category, and got 91%.

No, I added the following figures together to get 91%:

66% retired or unemployed who are not commuting on a regular basis.
18% from nursing homes
4% from assisted-living facilities
2% from congregate-care facilities

So my bad, 90%.

[Risen]

Ah, kept out homeless, "other" (what ever the hell that is) and jails / prison, then. My bad.

[Risen]

We need something like this, a phased approach to quell skeptics but that pushes for planned release.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-australia/australia-prepares-to-ease-coronavirus-restrictions-in-four-week-stages-idUSKBN22J3HS?il=0

I would suggest maybe (from a national perspective):

1a) All businesses that are formally going to run at less than 50% capacity in office workplaces (banks / consultancies / wall street / lawyers) through well-established work-from-home programs fire it up.
Pros: Helps larger businesses restablish and prepare to support the flood of smaller businesses that will need restructuring, reorgs, bankruptcy, and financial support to survive. Provides the first signals that normalcy is returning.
Cons: Not the best silver bullet for the economy as these companies are already and still operating. They just do not have a lot of clients beating down their doors, yet. May be perceived as a nod to big business.

1b) All parks, state / federal open for business - including those shitheads that think they want to leave all national lodges closed
Pros: Let's people get out, breathe, begin to mingle. Takes some of the edge off of the isolation. Permits tracking if any increase of coronavirus infections occurs. Brings in some revenue for state / federal governments. Allows for tuning of the concept of retaining social distancing in an economic (and easily controlled) setting. May help get the country moving again (airlines, buses, ships, hotels).
Cons: Not the most helpful first step in terms of national economy, but could help local economies. Does nothing significant to help unemployment.

2) All service industry (restaurant / barbershop / malls if anyone does that any more) open to 50% capacity of planned future capacity.
Pros: Starts up the smaller businesses in many cases, gets folks back into the swing of work. Sets a target of 50% to permit states / municipalities to gather information before deciding arbitrarily that all businesses will enforce occupancy standards too low for a business to function. Increases general population interaction while helping the economic conditions of the small to medium business owner.
Cons: Opens the covid nazi door, creates headaches and drama llama news. Provides continued shelter for businesses to ask for more money, since they are not tuned to operate at 50% of their prior revenue. Much more difficult to track / trace if that becomes a thing.

3) Open large group (500 plus) gathering facilities at reduced capacities (75%?)
Pros: Allows stadium and event venue holders to plan and reschedule their activities if they know when they'll be released. Permits well-regulated planning for restructuring space to support a relaxed social distancing. (Relaxed social distancing means all basic hygiene measures, modest separation (2 to 3 feet?) of individuals is supported, but not enforced.)
Cons: Slippery slope and one of the places most likely to statistically increase infections in a significant way; most venues will be ostracized for being too greedy, or being too expensive. Kills any attempt at contact tracing / tracking if that becomes a thing.

4 week phases should be enough, since we will detect in week three and week four if a surge occurs and can work through deferring, delaying or killing the next phase. If all goes well, 12 weeks until most of this shit is unwound.

Unfortunately, committees of all stripes will destroy any activities associated with trying a top down push of "how to phase". So the problem literally gets to be how do we get 50 governors and 120 mayors involved in supporting this without going down a whole shitpile of "voting is democracy". I would rather not wait until November to see the results of who gets what chair and can push harder. We do not have that kind of time remaining.

[Archigeek]

We need something like this, a phased approach to quell skeptics but that pushes for planned release.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-australia/australia-prepares-to-ease-coronavirus-restrictions-in-four-week-stages-idUSKBN22J3HS?il=0

I would suggest maybe (from a national perspective):

1a) All businesses that are formally going to run at less than 50% capacity in office workplaces (banks / consultancies / wall street / lawyers) through well-established work-from-home programs fire it up.
Pros: Helps larger businesses restablish and prepare to support the flood of smaller businesses that will need restructuring, reorgs, bankruptcy, and financial support to survive. Provides the first signals that normalcy is returning.
Cons: Not the best silver bullet for the economy as these companies are already and still operating. They just do not have a lot of clients beating down their doors, yet. May be perceived as a nod to big business.

1b) All parks, state / federal open for business - including those shitheads that think they want to leave all national lodges closed
Pros: Let's people get out, breathe, begin to mingle. Takes some of the edge off of the isolation. Permits tracking if any increase of coronavirus infections occurs. Brings in some revenue for state / federal governments. Allows for tuning of the concept of retaining social distancing in an economic (and easily controlled) setting. May help get the country moving again (airlines, buses, ships, hotels).
Cons: Not the most helpful first step in terms of national economy, but could help local economies. Does nothing significant to help unemployment.

2) All service industry (restaurant / barbershop / malls if anyone does that any more) open to 50% capacity of planned future capacity.
Pros: Starts up the smaller businesses in many cases, gets folks back into the swing of work. Sets a target of 50% to permit states / municipalities to gather information before deciding arbitrarily that all businesses will enforce occupancy standards too low for a business to function. Increases general population interaction while helping the economic conditions of the small to medium business owner.
Cons: Opens the covid nazi door, creates headaches and drama llama news. Provides continued shelter for businesses to ask for more money, since they are not tuned to operate at 50% of their prior revenue. Much more difficult to track / trace if that becomes a thing.

3) Open large group (500 plus) gathering facilities at reduced capacities (75%?)
Pros: Allows stadium and event venue holders to plan and reschedule their activities if they know when they'll be released. Permits well-regulated planning for restructuring space to support a relaxed social distancing. (Relaxed social distancing means all basic hygiene measures, modest separation (2 to 3 feet?) of individuals is supported, but not enforced.)
Cons: Slippery slope and one of the places most likely to statistically increase infections in a significant way; most venues will be ostracized for being too greedy, or being too expensive. Kills any attempt at contact tracing / tracking if that becomes a thing.

4 week phases should be enough, since we will detect in week three and week four if a surge occurs and can work through deferring, delaying or killing the next phase. If all goes well, 12 weeks until most of this shit is unwound.

Unfortunately, committees of all stripes will destroy any activities associated with trying a top down push of "how to phase". So the problem literally gets to be how do we get 50 governors and 120 mayors involved in supporting this without going down a whole shitpile of "voting is democracy". I would rather not wait until November to see the results of who gets what chair and can push harder. We do not have that kind of time remaining.

The group Vi Hart was a part of spelled out how to do this. I posted it a while back.

[Risen]

The group Vi Hart was a part of spelled out how to do this. I posted it a while back.

Thank you for the reminder. I started it a while back and set it aside. The entire tone of delivery and shaky drawing building the point while building the point is not something I do well. When you reminded me, I went and watched (read that as listened without watching the screen). It is a plan. I do not support some elements of it (remember that whole democratic committee thing I mentioned?), but I will say this:

Having a plan and implementing it is a damn site further down the path than we are right now. That would be a good thing.

Also of note - I just read a news article that the plan that the White House coronavirus task force was evaluating was scrapped because it was "too specific". I have not found the core article yet, but the news was referenced here - in a typically unproductive way.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-usa/michigan-governor-reopens-factories-from-may-11-as-u-s-jobless-ranks-grow-idUSKBN22J2L9

[Solkern]

Hey tg01, can you find a graph that shows how much the corona virus is spreading in the States, outside of New York?

[Methais]

Hey tg01, can you find a graph that shows how much the corona virus is spreading in the States, outside of New York?

Pretty sure it was posted a few pages back but:
https://i.imgur.com/Czg9eG1.png

[Solkern]

That’s new per million, how about just a general new cases per day, without New York.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

That’s new per million, how about just a general new cases per day, without New York.

Is your Google broken?

[~Rocktar~]

https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/96054458_10223340293286394_3414805317387550720_n.j pg?_nc_cat=101&_nc_sid=110474&_nc_ohc=CENNWqGU8SoAX-ttswz&_nc_ht=scontent-atl3-1.xx&oh=e53dde432970af7411f3b9fbc1ede744&oe=5EDA956E

[Solkern]

Is your Google broken?

Sadly, it is, I keep getting errors everytime I use it.

[~Rocktar~]

Sadly, it is, I keep getting errors everytime I use it.

Try DuckDuckGo

[Risen]

Sadly, it is, I keep getting errors everytime I use it.

One of my sources. https://covidtracking.com/api

[Solkern]

Try DuckDuckGo

Awesome thanks! That worked!

[Tgo01]

Piece of shit Jim Acosta's first question today: "The unemployment rate hit the highest since the Great Depression, what is the president's plan to get us out of this ditch?"

Fuck you, you fucking piece of shit.

Weeks, no, MONTHS now, we've been hearing from CNN: "OMG! Keep the country closed! We need to save lives! You can't open the country, Trump! The states open the country!"

Now it's "What is Trump gonna do about all of these people who are unemployed??!?!?!?!?!?!?!"

I just fucking knew the media would go from "Virus bad! Lockdowns good! Trump bad!" to "Unemployment bad! Trump bad!" I just thought they would have the decency to wait until AFTER the economy opened back up again to be such spineless shitheads.

It's really amazing if you think about it.

Media: States decide when to reopen! NOT YOU!
Also media: So Trump, when you gonna do something about all of these unemployed??!?!?!?!

Media: States decide when to reopen! NOT YOU!
Also media: So Trump, what are you gonna do about falling state tax revenue?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!

[Archigeek]

Piece of shit Jim Acosta's first question today: "The unemployment rate hit the highest since the Great Depression, what is the president's plan to get us out of this ditch?"

Fuck you, you fucking piece of shit.

Weeks, no, MONTHS now, we've been hearing from CNN: "OMG! Keep the country closed! We need to save lives! You can't open the country, Trump! The states open the country!"

Now it's "What is Trump gonna do about all of these people who are unemployed??!?!?!?!?!?!?!"

I just fucking knew the media would go from "Virus bad! Lockdowns good! Trump bad!" to "Unemployment bad! Trump bad!" I just thought they would have the decency to wait until AFTER the economy opened back up again to be such spineless shitheads.

I love the way that you've become so accepting of Trumps inability to put together a plan, that if anyone asks, "what's the plan" you immediately default to rage, instead of being piqued about what the answer might be.

It's the president's job to have a plan, and the press's job to ask about it. That was a fucking softball question, let me guess, the answer was on par with "that's such a nasty question!" followed by launch into tirade.

[Archigeek]

Piece of shit Jim Acosta's first question today: "The unemployment rate hit the highest since the Great Depression, what is the president's plan to get us out of this ditch?"

Fuck you, you fucking piece of shit.

Weeks, no, MONTHS now, we've been hearing from CNN: "OMG! Keep the country closed! We need to save lives! You can't open the country, Trump! The states open the country!"

Now it's "What is Trump gonna do about all of these people who are unemployed??!?!?!?!?!?!?!"

I just fucking knew the media would go from "Virus bad! Lockdowns good! Trump bad!" to "Unemployment bad! Trump bad!" I just thought they would have the decency to wait until AFTER the economy opened back up again to be such spineless shitheads.

I love the way that you've become so accepting of Trumps inability to put together a plan, that if anyone asks, "what's the plan" you immediately default to rage, instead of being piqued about what the answer might be.

It's the president's job to have a plan, and the press's job to ask about it. That was a fucking softball question, let me guess, the answer was on par with "that's such a nasty question!" followed by launch into tirade.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

It's a fair question, and to Kerl's point, a softball one. Look at our deficit in my signature. We are on a fast track to becoming Italy/Greece.

[Tgo01]

I love the way that you've become so accepting of Trumps inability to put together a plan, that if anyone asks, "what's the plan" you immediately default to rage, instead of being piqued about what the answer might be.

It's the president's job to have a plan, and the press's job to ask about it. That was a fucking softball question, let me guess, the answer was on par with "that's such a nasty question!" followed by launch into tirade.

What do you want the president to do when states are still locked down and some states, including some of the biggest economies of the world (not just in the US), are talking about keeping their state locked down for weeks or possibly even months more?

Why aren't we asking Gavin Newsom what he plans to do about his state's massive unemployment? Or Andrew Cuomo? Or the governor of NJ? Governor of Michigan?

These governors shut their states down, placed more burdensome lockdowns than most of the rest of the country, have continued those lockdowns, and are still planning on keeping those lockdowns in place, and now the question is "But what is TRUMP gonna do?"

Remember when Trump discussed opening up the economy to save jobs? Remember people such as yourself had a literal meltdown and said states should decide that? This wasn't even all that long ago, Archigeek. Maybe it's time to start being honest with yourself.

[Tgo01]

You gotta love how Trump plays the media like a fiddle.

Remember that faux media outrage about Pence not wearing a mask? Remember how the media asked Trump about it and Trump was like "I don't see a single reporter here today wearing a mask"?

Fast forward a week later and now each and every single reporter in the briefing room is wearing a mask.

[Tgo01]

What do you want the president to do when states are still locked down and some states, including some of the biggest economies of the world (not just in the US), are talking about keeping their state locked down for weeks or possibly even months more?

Why aren't we asking Gavin Newsom what he plans to do about his state's massive unemployment? Or Andrew Cuomo? Or the governor of NJ? Governor of Michigan?

These governors shut their states down, placed more burdensome lockdowns than most of the rest of the country, have continued those lockdowns, and are still planning on keeping those lockdowns in place, and now the question is "But what is TRUMP gonna do?"

Remember when Trump discussed opening up the economy to save jobs? Remember people such as yourself had a literal meltdown and said states should decide that? This wasn't even all that long ago, Archigeek. Maybe it's time to start being honest with yourself.

This is like watching an entire town burn down because a pyromaniac is setting building after building on fire and the media rushes to the local fire chief to ask what he's gonna do about it, he says he wants to stop the pyromaniac and the media says "No! That's the police chief's job and he says he won't do anything about the man! So what are YOU going to do to stop the fires?"

[Seran]

This is like watching a pyromaniac set building after building on fire and the media rushing to the local fire chief to ask what he's gonna do about it, he says he wants to stop the pyromaniac and the media says "No! That's the police chief's job and he says he won't do anything about the man! So what are YOU going to do to stop the fires?"

Except in this case, Trump is the pyromaniac, the Coronavirus is the fire and the American people are now just trying to survive until he's out of office in January.

[Tgo01]

Except in this case, Trump is the pyromaniac, the Coronavirus is the fire and the American people are now just trying to survive until he's out of office in January.

I don't think even Back on his strongest day could come close to taking the belt now, Seran.

You are indeed the most retarded person on Earth.

[Tgo01]

Hospitals are now saying they have so many empty beds that they are losing money faster than ever and can't continue like this.

Seems like it was just a month ago the media was fear mongering so much that they said the US would have run out of hospital beds by now and people would be dying in the streets waiting for a bed.

Is the media going to be held accountable for their fear mongering? Probably not, people like Seran and Archigeek love being lied to after all. Being lied to by the media is acceptable if it helps get rid of Trump.

Forget the media for a moment, is Trump going to receive any credit for getting the country to go from "There won't be enough hospital beds!" to "There are too many empty hospital beds!" Something tells me he won't get credit for that either.

[Alfster]

Depends on location too. I'm in a county with high testing capacity and low cases. Since part of the closure included majority of non emergent care, they're obviously furloughing. Entire clinics are still shutdown, so their cash cows aren't coming in for procedures.

How do you feel about socialized healthcare? Are you aware your tax dollars are paying for the uninsured in relation to anything covid related. 6 billion in total.

[Tgo01]

How do you feel about socialized healthcare? Are you aware your tax dollars are paying for the uninsured in relation to anything covid related. 6 billion in total.

I'm fine with a lot of shit in times of an emergency.

One of the things I'm not fine with is our rights continuing to be stripped from us, mostly by Democrat governors, and Americans being told for months they can't earn a living or else they will face jail time, again mostly by Democrats in power.

In other news an article I read said a study found that more than 75k people might die from these lockdowns due to drug abuse, suicide, etc.

If that's true that means so far we haven't saved a single life. Good job keeping our economy shut down forever, Democrats.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Except in this case, Trump is the pyromaniac, the Coronavirus is the fire and the American people are now just trying to survive until he's out of office in January.

Quoting this for November 2020 facemelting.

[Solkern]

What do you want the president to do when states are still locked down and some states, including some of the biggest economies of the world (not just in the US), are talking about keeping their state locked down for weeks or possibly even months more?

Why aren't we asking Gavin Newsom what he plans to do about his state's massive unemployment? Or Andrew Cuomo? Or the governor of NJ? Governor of Michigan?

These governors shut their states down, placed more burdensome lockdowns than most of the rest of the country, have continued those lockdowns, and are still planning on keeping those lockdowns in place, and now the question is "But what is TRUMP gonna do?"

Remember when Trump discussed opening up the economy to save jobs? Remember people such as yourself had a literal meltdown and said states should decide that? This wasn't even all that long ago, Archigeek. Maybe it's time to start being honest with yourself.

Didn’t Trump say, he has total authority to open the economy in every state?

[Archigeek]

What do you want the president to do when states are still locked down and some states, including some of the biggest economies of the world (not just in the US), are talking about keeping their state locked down for weeks or possibly even months more?

I expect him to lead like a president. Instead of bringing us together at a time when we need it vs a common enemy, he's still fixated on himself.


Remember when Trump discussed opening up the economy to save jobs? Remember people such as yourself had a literal meltdown and said states should decide that? This wasn't even all that long ago, Archigeek. Maybe it's time to start being honest with yourself.

Stop lying. I never said that.

[Tgo01]

Didn’t Trump say, he has total authority to open the economy in every state?

He then said he would leave it up to the states because the media and Democrats made such a big stink about it.

[Tgo01]

I expect him to lead like a president. Instead of bringing us together at a time when we need it vs a common enemy, he's still fixated on himself.

That didn't answer my specific question: what do you expect Trump to do in regards to unemployment figures given the fact that most of the states (certainly the states with the largest economies) still have their states in lockdown?

I'm all for this question to the federal government as a whole once the states have reopened their economies, until then what do you expect the federal government to do? Note I'm even giving the poorly run Democrat House a pass in this particular regard.

Right now this question should be fully focused on governors, once they reopen their states then we can focus on both the states' response and the federal government's response.


Stop lying. I never said that.

You expect me to believe you went against the media's/Democrat's narrative that the states should decide when states reopen? Give me a break.

[Seran]

He then said he would leave it up to the states because the media and Democrats made such a big stink about it.

Yeah, that pesky Constitution, always getting in the way of Federal overreach and separation of powers violations

[Solkern]

He then said he would leave it up to the states because the media and Democrats made such a big stink about it.

You’re missing the point. If you believe that Trump has “Total authority” then he damn well can come up with a plan, and fuck what the democrats thinks, can’t he? So, why isn’t he? If he, thinks the democrats don’t know shit, and he knows everything, than why doesn’t he overrule the states and open up the economy?
Seems pretty stupid that he doesn’t.

[Tgo01]

You’re missing the point. If you believe that Trump has “Total authority” then he damn well can come up with a plan, and fuck what the democrats thinks, can’t he? So, why isn’t he? If he, thinks the democrats don’t know shit, and he knows everything, than why doesn’t he overrule the states and open up the economy?
Seems pretty stupid that he doesn’t.

I didn't say I believe Trump has the authority to open up the states, that's what Trump said. In fact from the very beginning I have said I think governors ultimately are responsible for what happens in their states and I gave praise to Democrat shitholes such as California and Washington for keeping the outbreaks relatively controlled in their states while other Democrat shitholes such as NY and NJ let it get out of hand.

I'm honestly not sure if the President has the authority to force states to reopen, I would think a case could be made for it but it's certainly something the courts would have to weigh in on.

The ultimate point is Democrats want it both ways; the states can keep their economies shut forever but Trump is somehow responsible for the skyrocketing unemployment?

[Parkbandit]

Except in this case, Trump is the pyromaniac, the Coronavirus is the fire and the American people are now just trying to survive until he's out of office in January.

You honestly believe Joe Biden will beat him?

Dude.. stop.

Your only chance is that the DNC is in such turmoil that they scrap Biden and Bernie and go with a fresh face we haven't really seen yet.

Otherwise, it's looking more and more likely 4 more years of the big mean orange man who hurts your fee fees so bad.

[Parkbandit]

You’re missing the point. If you believe that Trump has “Total authority” then he damn well can come up with a plan, and fuck what the democrats thinks, can’t he? So, why isn’t he? If he, thinks the democrats don’t know shit, and he knows everything, than why doesn’t he overrule the states and open up the economy?
Seems pretty stupid that he doesn’t.

That power lies with the individual states.

[Solkern]

That power lies with the individual states.

Yeah, I know... I was just making sure Tg01, wasn’t believing every single word Trump says with blind loyalty.

[Tgo01]

Yeah, I know... I was just making sure Tg01, wasn’t believing every single word Trump says with blind loyalty.

Oh is that what you were doing?

https://techcrunch.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/pivot.jpg

[Seran]

Oh is that what you were doing?

https://techcrunch.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/pivot.jpg

That's a perfect analogy to your March meltdown that there were too few deaths to take the Coronavirus seriously, and how you've pivoted to panty wetting rage over misguided claims the numbers being artificially high and fake.

[Tgo01]

That's a perfect analogy to your March meltdown that there were too few deaths to take the Coronavirus seriously, and how you've pivoted to panty wetting rage over misguided claims the numbers being artificially high and fake.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n67RYI_0sc0

[Solkern]

Oh is that what you were doing?

https://techcrunch.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/pivot.jpg

Actually, yes it was. You can ask Seran, I left a rep, after he mentioned it earlier, right after I made the post. The pesky constitution one.
So yeah, no pivot.

[~Rocktar~]

After Treating Barely Any Patients for a Massive $7.5 Million Each, 16 Emergency COVID Hospitals Are Standing Down

www.westernjournal.com/treating-barely-patients-massive-7-5-million-16-emergency-covid-hospitals-standing/

[Parkbandit]

Yeah, I know... I was just making sure Tg01, wasn’t believing every single word Trump says with blind loyalty.

What? Did you miss this part of his post?


I didn't say I believe Trump has the authority to open up the states, that's what Trump said. In fact from the very beginning I have said I think governors ultimately are responsible for what happens in their states

[Solkern]

What? Did you miss this part of his post?

It was before he made that post, And if you keep reading...




I'm honestly not sure if the President has the authority to force states to reopen, I would think a case could be made for it but it's certainly something the courts would have to weigh in on.

There is no case for it. Trump has zero authority on it.

[~Rocktar~]

Narrative Fail: 15 Days After Lockdown Ease, Georgia Sees Lowest Day Of COVID Hospitalizations

#Fauxdemic, #Fakepandemic, #OpenAmerica, #LetMyPeopleGo, #BuyAmerican

https://www.dailywire.com/news/narrative-fail-15-days-after-lockdown-ease-georgia-sees-lowest-day-of-covid-hospitalizations

[Fortybox]

What? Did you miss this part of his post?

Solkern is pretty clueless and misses most things.

[Fortybox]

#Fauxdemic, #Fakepandemic, #OpenAmerica, #LetMyPeopleGo, #BuyAmerican

https://www.dailywire.com/news/narrative-fail-15-days-after-lockdown-ease-georgia-sees-lowest-day-of-covid-hospitalizations

As if said throughout this thread, it really is a fake pandemic.

The true pandemic is the self-inflicted wound created to our economy. More lives will be lost because of this than the actual virus.