UGH

[AnticorRifling]

Ahh Molten Core:

DRUID UP

http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n177/anticor/WoW/HoRDruidlineup.jpg

[TheEschaton]

I recognize raiding in vanilla was harder and more futile. I'm just saying you can't stick around for 2 interminable years of wrath and then claim Cata was boring, and that you left because you had reached your breaking point with Cata, when Cata is undoubtably better than the previous xpac.

[Keller]

I recognize raiding in vanilla was harder and more futile. I'm just saying you can't stick around for 2 interminable years of wrath and then claim Cata was boring, and that you left because you had reached your breaking point with Cata, when Cata is undoubtably better than the previous xpac.

Two points.

Vanilla raiding was the easiest raiding ever. Any difficulty with Vanilla raiding came from the time commitment and the number of people required to raid.

WotLK is clearly the weakest xpac, especially from a PvP perspective. They added nothing for us. BC added arenas, Cata added RBGs, Wotlk added . . . Wintersgrasp?

[AnticorRifling]

I had fun in vanilla, TBC, and Wrath. I didn't have near as much fun in Cata. If I could get the graphics of rift + the fun I'm having in rift ported into WoW I'd be back in a second.

[g++]

The recylced instances are pretty well done. I had fun with them and the way instances work now where you can do them at your own pace means last night for the first time since early wrath I got on vent and did chain instances with a few friends from Aeternus. Thats much more fun to me than random queueing and never saying a word in boring instances.

Ill admit they didnt add much for pvp but they did make it much easier to get honor gear for bgs which is important for me because im a sick fuck that actually does kind of enjoy doing bgs on alts a bit :).

All around alot of positive changes to make the game more enjoyable for me. Also I hear Molten core was a gay bar. Not that there is anything wrong with that. Just saying.

[TheEschaton]

I had fun in vanilla, TBC, and Wrath. I didn't have near as much fun in Cata. If I could get the graphics of rift + the fun I'm having in rift ported into WoW I'd be back in a second.

So you're saying it's me? I get it.

:cry:

[Parkbandit]

So you're saying it's me? I get it.

:cry:

If it was you, we wouldn't have asked you to join us in Rift.

PS - 4 rogues in stealth, locking down a town, is hella fun.

[TheEschaton]

So it was Pjaay. I got it.

[Some Rogue]

PS - 4 rogues in stealth, locking down a town, is hella fun.

SHARKS IN THE WATER!

[AnticorRifling]

So you're saying it's me? I get it.

:cry:

Not at all. I loved the group I we ran with. But like GS, WoW lost something during Cata. Bouncing around in Org and punching myself in the cock to stay awake while doing archeology just wasn't doing it for me, not sure I could say exactly what it was that made me say the final meh.

[Parkbandit]

SHARKS IN THE WATER!

Except the end when they got all those level 50's to babysit them, it was probably the most fun I've had in a game in a very, very long time.

[Cyprion]

Not all this expansion is end game. I started leveling an alt, and its pretty neat to see the new zones/quests. Leveling seems much more enjoyable now.

As far as rift, from what I have heard, the end game instances are not very enjoyable. The appeal of the game seems to come from being able to grief low levels and listen to them complain in chat. I played a little in beta and about 25 levels after release before quitting, so i am just going by what I heard. This could be completely false information, but if true, doesn't seem like a formula that lasts very long after release.

[Liagala]

This could be completely false information, but if true, doesn't seem like a formula that lasts very long after release.
Never underestimate the entertainment potential of crying victims.

[g++]

So it was Pjaay. I got it.

I hope your pre-shielding and mending. God help you if you arent.

[g++]

Never underestimate the entertainment potential of crying victims.

I will start petitioning blizzard to make the regular level 20 mobs in the barrens whisper that you're a fag and to get a life everytime a level 85 kills one so we can get PB and anticor back.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

The expansion isn't over yet either.

[Parkbandit]

I will start petitioning blizzard to make the regular level 20 mobs in the barrens whisper that you're a fag and to get a life everytime a level 85 kills one so we can get PB and anticor back.

You just need to stop delaying the inevitable and move over to Rift.

[g++]

I really am having a great time in WoW. I have a consistent progressive raid for my mage and im enjoying tanking randoms/pvping on my warrior. Plus I occasionally force Arguendo to do arena against his will. I even have Salv into a regular pug 10 man on the weekends and theres an off-possibility I might be raiding with Arg once a week again. I feel like early in the xpac we felt locked down by the lack of things to do but as people learn the content and gear up theres alot more things to do pve wise.

[Parkbandit]

Yea.. I think for many of us who have played since vanilla, it simply got boring. WoW is still a great game and if you are having fun playing it, then that's what it's all about.... playing a game to have fun.

[Some Rogue]

Running the same instances/raids over and over on alts isn't exactly a ton of stuff to do in my opinion. On the other hand, had we been able to raid regularly and progress, it would have kept me around longer too heh.

[Alfster]

Damn, that's an old school screenshot anticor.

I enjoyed cata, but it's just too time consuming for me. When I was working 3rd shift, it was easy to come home from work, raid for 3 hours, then go to bed. I have too much shit going on these days.

I quit during TBC, came back for wrath, quit during Cata...so I'm sure I'll be back at the next expansion. (Or f that if diablo is out)

[SpiffyJr]

Yea.. I think for many of us who have played since vanilla, it simply got boring. WoW is still a great game and if you are having fun playing it, then that's what it's all about.... playing a game to have fun.

I think I'm just burned out on MMOs in general. Too much of a time commitment now days (getting married, ftw). I tend to stick to quick satisfaction games now - FPS, HoN, etc. Games that will, 99% of the time, only take up about 45 minutes or less of my time.

[g++]

Ya feral is especially time consuming because you have to cry profusely for 60 minutes everytime you get feared.

[SpiffyJr]

Ya feral is especially time consuming because you have to cry profusely for 60 minutes everytime you get feared.

I'd given up on my feral and switched to a frost DK for arenas. Incredibly fun in arenas and I bet even more so now that frost got buffed up a bit. AMS + Lichborne + Pillar of Frost + Hungering Cold + Escape Artist. That shit was crazy fun but not as fun as gripping a feral druid and rooting them with my /lol macro.

[g++]

Ive heard rumours that in best in slot pvp gears UA locks are doing 30-60k and killing people who accidently dispel unstable affliction with mass dispel. Another neat comp is rogue, rogue, mage. Two smoke bombs, and ring of frost. Blow one person up. A well known glad mage was joking that his average arena match is over in 5 seconds. Lot of arena unbalance in the patch.

[TheEschaton]

I wish they didn't have to balance PvE around PvP. My prot paladin misses his WoG.

[SpiffyJr]

I wish they didn't have to balance PvE around PvP. My prot paladin misses his WoG.

I was leveling a boomkin for shits and giggles with a friend who was a prot paladin. He could tank instances up to 75 (that's when I quit) with self-heals only. It was pretty stupid.

[Liagala]

So I was reading previews for the Firelands raid on MMO, and saw this:


With a new raid tier of armor and weapons, three new mounts (including the rare and highly sought flaming Anzu), a slew of...

Coming back to wow looks better and better, if I can get a flaming Anzu.

[AnticorRifling]

We already have one.

[Liagala]

We already have one.
Ours isn't on fire :(

[AnticorRifling]

Then how do you explain the burning sensation you get from riding her?!

[Parkbandit]

Then how do you explain the burning sensation you get from riding her?!

STD?

[TheEschaton]

PB, you made the joke too obvious. Come on, man.

[Parkbandit]

PB, you made the joke too obvious. Come on, man.

I apologize. I heard you were wondering what Anticor meant and you didn't get it.. I thought I was helping. But you are right, I should have let you work it out..

[TheEschaton]

P.S. Incoming legendary staff for Arguendo. KTHX.

[Asha]

P.S. Incoming legendary staff for Arguendo. KTHX.

People still say that?

[Liagala]

People still say that?
He's brown. That doesn't count as people.

[AnticorRifling]

People still say that?

He doesn't just type it he actually says it.

[TheEschaton]

He doesn't just type it he actually says it.

It distracts people from the bombs I'm planting in their cars.

[AnticorRifling]

I'm not scared. Given your tree hugging nature I'm confident you can't pick a charger out of a lineup :)

[TheEschaton]

You forget that I implanted myself into a blue collar town like Buffalo, and my "best friend" was the son of a truck driver Teamster car enthusiast. I have learned your ways well.

[g++]

I just wanted to stop by to say condolences to Arguendo. At least your uncle was quickly throw into the sea as I have been told by senior Obama aides is in accordance with terrorist religion. Peace be with you brother.

[TheEschaton]

Pjaay, we might need a new mage for our first group, which is 7/13 heroic. Our current one DCs constantly and isn't willing to fix his connection issues. Whaddya think?

[g++]

I think I canceled my account and threw my authenticator away last night.

[AnticorRifling]

You think you did? Did drunk Salv do something that sober Salv can't remember?

[Parkbandit]

You think you did? Did drunk Salv do something that sober Salv can't remember?

If Sober Salv walks through the door, he will Kill Drunk Salv! A Salv, divided against itself, cannot stand!

[g++]

Whaddya think?


I think I canceled my account and threw my authenticator away last night.

I still love the game. I just dont have time to be killing bosses in make believe land 40 hours a week anymore.

If you could pass on too Don that I wont be on Saturday I would appreciate it.

[TheEschaton]

Group one only raids 9 hours a week, kthx.

[g++]

Yah but it never ends with the raid, then you play alts and want to pvp...i would rather just not play WoW anymore and do something productive for a bit. Im all WoW'd out I guess.

[TheEschaton]

You realize you don't have to play alts, right?

Anyways, I'll pass on the word.

[Parkbandit]

You realize you don't have to play alts, right?

Anyways, I'll pass on the word.

Psst... we're on Dayblight server, Defiant side.

If you need a trial code, let me know.

[SpiffyJr]

Yah but it never ends with the raid, then you play alts and want to pvp...i would rather just not play WoW anymore and do something productive for a bit. Im all WoW'd out I guess.

http://www.magickagame.com/

That game rules and is full of lulz.

[TheEschaton]

yeah, I played the demo of Magicka. It's pretty cool, but you'd need people to play it with for it to be worth it.

[Keller]

Yah but it never ends with the raid, then you play alts and want to pvp...i would rather just not play WoW anymore and do something productive for a bit. Im all WoW'd out I guess.

LIke Starcraft 2?

I've been loving SC2.

[SpiffyJr]

yeah, I played the demo of Magicka. It's pretty cool, but you'd need people to play it with for it to be worth it.

It's only $13.99 so I bought a couple copies for my friends since, ya'know, I'm DINKing it up right now and they're all tight-wads.

[g++]

While all those games seem tempting (and i do like SC2) I went another direction. Loaded up my kindle with android developement books and bought some running shoes.

[Some Rogue]

While all those games seem tempting (and i do like SC2) I went another direction. Loaded up my kindle with android developement books and bought some running shoes.

Is this code for TheE is holding you hostage and threatening to blow up your favorite Wal-Mart?

[Liagala]

I almost died laughing last night...

First attempt...
DK Tank: Okay, have the battle rez ready, I make mistakes sometimes.

Second attempt...
Dachcow: You have a dps set?
DK: Yes
Dachcow: Put it on. I'll interrupt the first cast, you get the second. We'll go back and forth
DK: Okay
-- messy wipe
Me: Why didn't you interrupt?
DK: I counted wrong
Me: You can't count to 2? Really?
Dachcow: Can you count to potato?
DK: Give it one more shot guys, I know I can do this.
Vote kick reason: This is not a daycare for the retarded

I've never actually seen a circumstance in which asking someone if they can count to potato is a valid question. It was awesome.

[Some Rogue]

And PB said he wasn't going back to WoW!!!1111

[Parkbandit]

And PB said he wasn't going back to WoW!!!1111

I actually thought that DK was you.. since:

1) I didn't (and won't) reactivate my WoW accounts.
2) I don't have a level 85 DK.
3) You are dumb and can't count to 2 or potato.

Summation: Suck it Trebeck.

[Some Rogue]

I can count to 2. That's the number of people still in the guild in Rift.

I don't have an 85 DK either btw.

[Keller]

1) I didn't (and won't) reactivate my WoW accounts.


Do you play SC2?

[AnticorRifling]

I almost died laughing last night...

First attempt...
DK Tank: Okay, have the battle rez ready, I make mistakes sometimes.

Second attempt...
Dachcow: You have a dps set?
DK: Yes
Dachcow: Put it on. I'll interrupt the first cast, you get the second. We'll go back and forth
DK: Okay
-- messy wipe
Me: Why didn't you interrupt?
DK: I counted wrong
Me: You can't count to 2? Really?
Dachcow: Can you count to potato?
DK: Give it one more shot guys, I know I can do this.
Vote kick reason: This is not a daycare for the retarded

I've never actually seen a circumstance in which asking someone if they can count to potato is a valid question. It was awesome.

Yeah when he said get ready to battle rez me because sometimes I make mistakes we all kind of said "Wait...what" on vent.

I thought my vote to kick reason was pretty accurate.

[Liagala]

1) I didn't (and won't) reactivate my WoW accounts.

Who gets Hounds?

[AnticorRifling]

LOL

[Liagala]

Is anyone else getting errors about the login server being busy, try again later?

[Parkbandit]

Who gets Hounds?

I would say Anticor is currently in the lead to be GM of the Hounds.. as he sent me a shitload of stuff and money in Rift.

Let's see who wants to be GM the most...

[TheEschaton]

So, Wayne, what did you think of our raid leader in vent, Stonetall. ;)

[AnticorRifling]

He's your typical "I can't actually lead and don't you dare point out my flaws while I rage" personality from an MMO. I just ignore it and collect loots.

[TheEschaton]

He keeps wondering why people don't listen to him, I keep on telling him it's because when something is a hobby, and your livelihood doesn't depend on kissing the authority figure's ass, you have to earn respect and leadership, you can't just expect it.

But then he doesn't listen to me.

[RichardCranium]

He keeps wondering why people don't listen to him, I keep on telling him it's because when something is a hobby, and your livelihood doesn't depend on kissing the authority figure's ass, you have to earn respect and leadership, you can't just expect it.

But then he doesn't listen to me.

What?

[AnticorRifling]

GM and the pally tank seem cool enough, so did a few of the other raid members I got to run with last night.

[Parkbandit]

GM and the pally tank seem cool enough, so did a few of the other raid members I got to run with last night.

Is the GM Sacreligious (sp?) still?

[AnticorRifling]

Yes?

[Solkern]

Does your guild need dps?
I'm bored, and I might reactivate my account.

[Liagala]

I'm sorry, but Sacrelicious sounds like he's more flaming than Drew2. He may not be, but his voice just sounds way too soft, feminine, and limp-wristed. Am I correct in my assumption that he's also the hunter with the pet named "Cuminmyass?"

[AnticorRifling]

No. That hunter is Quiks.

[g++]

heh quiks. How many times your dps did he do?

[Liagala]

No. That hunter is Quiks.
The second half of Quiks' name was similar to Sac's, so I thought they were the same guy.

[g++]

His main is a fury warrior for a sinestra down guild. That guy is pretty much a professional wow player. I dont think he has a job.

[AnticorRifling]

He was on his hunter, but that still way out gears me. He did something like 21k I was in the 15-6k range on that fight (mostly I was just making sure I didn't die in avoidable shit).

I'm happy I switched it from wifi to hardwire though, normally I'm at about 100-200ms which is fine but last I was in the 1500s until I switched to wired. Not sure what the cause was.

[AnticorRifling]

Someone needs to fix runewatch!

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Any tips not obvious for Cho'gal? My guild is struggling with the hearts of darkness or whatever they are called, we can only get to 3 spawns of them, usually only 2, and there are 4 waves :(

[g++]

Scream at the people not dps'ing them and make sure someone is using snares? Any 2 ranged should easily be able to handle all 4 waves.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Yeah, last fight I saw a mage did 600k total to them, and the next on the list was a hunter at 115k... so something is fucked up there.

[g++]

Your hunter is bad. Hunter should be doubling the mage damage on those adds and with his trap they should barely move.

[TheEschaton]

Wait, is this normal Cho'gall? Cause I've never heard of this "Hearrt of Darkness", sounds like a H-cho'gall thing. Unless that's the name of the big adds.

Wayne, we might need you to DPS tonight if I have to heal on my shaman. We usually 8 or 9 out of 12 in our first night, so fights you haven't done would be Atramedes, Chimaeron, Ascendant council, and Cho'gall.

Unless, of course, you think you can heal them, then I can DPS.

Yeah, Quiks is pretty good. Slatheim, the spriest in the group last night, is an alt of Tomhotch, who was an Assent mage and transfered with Quiks (on his druid) to their top 200 World guild on Malfurion where they're 13/13. His priest is a new character, less than a month at 85 and could probably outdps me in similar circumstances.

And Sac does sound super gay, but he insists he isn't. His last name is Cummings, though, lol, according to RealID.

[TheEschaton]

P.S. Quiks wasn't on vent last night, but I happen to think he sounds kinda flaming too, though PJaay disagrees with me.

[g++]

I refuse to believe anyone that is better than me at a video game is a homosexual. Its a personal issue.

[Parkbandit]

I refuse to believe anyone that is better than me at a video game is a homosexual. Its a personal issue.

:rofl:

[TheEschaton]

I think I just hurt my back carrying Wayne tonight in that raid. Holy balls man.

[Kuyuk]

people still play wow?

[AnticorRifling]

I think I just hurt my back carrying Wayne tonight in that raid. Holy balls man.

I told you.

1) I haven't healed anything on the shaman since I left. That raid was literally the first time I'd even activated the healing spec on the shaman in two months.

2) Lol gear. I did craft the chest and belt prior to the raid but yeah going in to BWD wearing some ilvl 318 greens, I'm pretty much sexy.

I avoided damage, I kept mana tide on cooldown, I kept earthshield on the tank, riptide was on cooldown, unleashed elements was on cooldown and then I'd just hit people with healing wave but holy hell I was so much slower than the druid and pally. It felt like 80% of my shit was overheal because they were tagging the targets first.

[g++]

I told you.

Me and Talladar are the same person.

I knew it!

[NocturnalRob]

I think I just hurt my back carrying Wayne tonight in that raid. Holy balls man.
You need to relax, man. Go play some Minecraft.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Wait, is this normal Cho'gall? Cause I've never heard of this "Hearrt of Darkness", sounds like a H-cho'gall thing. Unless that's the name of the big adds.

No I fucked up their names, it's "Blood of the Old God", and they are spawned from the dead Corrupting Adherents. 5 we can handle, 10 we struggle, 15 we get smoked. I'm 100% sure it's an issue with our ranged not burning them down. With everything going on, especially if one or two of our interupts/ranged are caught in devotion we are failboat.

We'll hit it again tonight, only takes about 30-45 min to clear to him usually.

[AnticorRifling]

I knew it!

Reported.

Also I just upgraded my weapon, got the healing mace from ZA.

[TheEschaton]

Wayne, I looked over your spec etc, here are some tips:

1) Pick up spirit link totem, drop 1 point in Cleansing Waters to get it. It's a pretty powerful cooldown. Also, I'd move the point from Totemic Reach in enhancement to Acuity for 1% crit in Elemental.

2) Were you using Healing Stream at all last night? Mana spring doesn't stack with blessing of might, there's no reason to ever have it down with Might up. Plus, it does a shit ton of healing, it's usually in the top 3 of my healing abilities on my shaman. Even at the low end, it'll tick for 1k every other second, which is 30k every minute, 150k raidwide (since it hits five people optimally), 750k over a 5 minute fight. It's pretty badass. Plus...

3) Redo your glyphs. If you felt the need for mana spring, maybe you were hurting for mana? IDK - but you should have Glyph of Water Shield as one of your primes, and switch between Earthliving Weapon/ES based on what you're doing. Earthliving is a massive buff to raid healing, ES is more if you're focused on the tank. Your major glyphs: Chain Lightning and Hex? What? You serious? Change Chain lightning to chain heal, that'll up your raid healing even though it sounds like it might be a nerf, and change hex to Healing Stream totem. This is the second reason you should always have healing stream down (besides when you drop Mana Tide), this glyph provides nature resistance, something which paladin resistance aura doesn't. In fact, this glyph (or the totem, which would just be silly to put down) and Aspect of the Wild are the only two sources of nature resist, and it's far easier for shamans to put down. Healing Wave glyph, which you have, is actually the most optional of the three major glyphs, and should be switched out with ghost wolf on certain fights where you have to move a lot.

4) NINE pieces unenchanted? LOLWUT.

5) I almost outhealed you with vampiric embrace on Halfus, because of how hard I hit at the end. Our DK outhealed you on 2 or 3 of the fights just from death strike healing. If you're healing too slow, use some addon, don't click a frame then cast a healing spell, it's far too inefficient.

Don't be afraid to use GHW - with the tidal waves proc from riptide, the cast time is pretty reasonable, and it becomes a much more efficient spell. Don't cast it without that buff though.

[TheEschaton]

And anywyas, Shinsplitter has been thinking of raiding on his shaman, so he might come resto it up, allowing you to obliterate your way to victory.

[AnticorRifling]

You do realize I hit 85 right before we took a break right? I haven't put any capped lvl work into that shaman.

Enchants let's see:
Headpiece - don't have the rep yet
Shoulders - don't have the rep yet
Back - It's a blue fuck that
Chest - Crafted about 20min before the raid
Bracers - Got in the raid
Gloves - Eng enchant
Belt - Crafted about 20min before the raid
Legs - Blues fuck that
Feet - No excuse I need to enchant those
Weapon - Got it today in ZA and .... it's already enchanted


I had no idea mana spring didn't stack so yeah I'll be dropping healing stream.

I currently don't use any healing addons. Select the raider and then 2,3,4 depending on what needs cast.

I'm surprised I even had glyphs, but those are now changed.

Why would I move a point out of totem reach for 1% crit? I can get crit on gear, no piece of gear can extend the range of totems (like HEALING STREAM TOTEM) amirite?

[Keller]

You do realize I hit 85 right before we took a break right? I haven't put any capped lvl work into that shaman.

Enchants let's see:
Headpiece - don't have the rep yet
Shoulders - don't have the rep yet
Back - It's a blue fuck that
Chest - Crafted about 20min before the raid
Bracers - Got in the raid
Gloves - Eng enchant
Belt - Crafted about 20min before the raid
Legs - Blues fuck that
Feet - No excuse I need to enchant those
Weapon - Got it today in ZA and .... it's already enchanted


I had no idea mana spring didn't stack so yeah I'll be dropping healing stream.

I currently don't use any healing addons. Select the raider and then 2,3,4 depending on what needs cast.

I'm surprised I even had glyphs, but those are now changed.

Why would I move a point out of totem reach for 1% crit? I can get crit on gear, no piece of gear can extend the range of totems (like HEALING STREAM TOTEM) amirite?

That sounds like a load of excuses.

Where is the "I'm sorry"?

[AnticorRifling]

I will sully your name.

[TheEschaton]

Because totems have a 30 yard radius, meaning if you drop it in the middle of the room, it's 60 yard coverage, and not many places are gonna require more than that. And 1% crit is more throughput and more regen. And because you want to gear for mastery, not crit.

But that's more of a suggestion, certainly not required, it all goes with playstyle I guess. The spirit link totem is almost required though, it's the only real damage mitigation cooldown shamans have.

[TheEschaton]

And the head enchants are BoA, you aren't exalted with Hyjal on Dachcow?

[AnticorRifling]

So yeah healing stream is pulsing for 1254 when I'm unbuffed.

[AnticorRifling]

And the head enchants are BoA, you aren't exalted with Hyjal on Dachcow?

Ahh I thought the cata ones were BoP not BoA. I'm exalted with just about every faction on Dach.

[TheEschaton]

And that's near full health - it's affected by your mastery, which increases your healing the lower the target is. On my shaman, the totem ticks for 1.5k at 99%, and about 2.1k at 10% health.

And I just checked, totems have a 40 yard radius, lol, which is 80 yards of coverage. You should be able to cover a whole room with that.

[TheEschaton]

yeah, only the shoulder enchants are BoP, which is annoying as fuck.

[AnticorRifling]

And that's near full health - it's affected by your mastery, which increases your healing the lower the target is. On my shaman, the totem ticks for 1.5k at 99%, and about 2.1k at 10% health.

And I just checked, totems have a 40 yard radius, lol, which is 80 yards of coverage. You should be able to cover a whole room with that.

The tooltip on healing stream says within 34 yards of the totem. That's with 1 point in Totemic Reach.

[TheEschaton]

check the other totems, they're 40 yards. Healing stream only heals 5 at a time, so I guess it's meant to cover the ranged group or the melee, or something to that effect, Baseline 30 still = 60 yard coverage if placed correctly.

[Parkbandit]

LOL... since when did TheE give healing advice??

WHO ARE YOU!?!?!?

[TheEschaton]

I'm 8/13 heroic, on my resto shaman. Who are you?

[Parkbandit]

I'm 8/13 heroic, on my resto shaman. Who are you?

Someone who used to laugh at the notion of you healing anything... since we had far superior healers available (including me).

I guess that's what happens when the talent pool is diluted.

[AnticorRifling]

check the other totems, they're 40 yards. Healing stream only heals 5 at a time, so I guess it's meant to cover the ranged group or the melee, or something to that effect, Baseline 30 still = 60 yard coverage if placed correctly.

Tremor is 30, earthbind is 11, magma is 10 and stoneclaw is only 9. I dont think you know what you're talking about!!!!!










The totems we're actually talking about are 40 though.

[TheEschaton]

You mean the guy who gave up resto shaman because he didn't know how to play it correctly and thought it too mana intensive when it is in fact one of the least mana intensive healing classes? Or the resto druid who stood in Valiona's breath all the time because he tunnels health bars?

[AnticorRifling]

I'm 8/13 heroic, on my resto shaman. Who are you?

Carried.

[AnticorRifling]

You mean the guy who gave up resto shaman because he didn't know how to play it correctly and thought it too mana intensive when it is in fact one of the least mana intensive healing classes? Or the resto druid who stood in Valiona's breath all the time because he tunnels health bars?

Now now just last night you entered the DPS tunnel and forgot to gong.

Lawyered.

[Parkbandit]

You mean the guy who gave up resto shaman because he didn't know how to play it correctly and thought it too mana intensive when it is in fact one of the least mana intensive healing classes?

This shows your ignorance on the class. You might want to add what patch we are referring to.



Or the resto druid who stood in Valiona's breath all the time because he tunnels health bars?

All the time? You are funny.

What about us being unable to progress through a very simple boss because you couldn't click on an object at the right time "because your computer lagged"....

Stop getting all butt hurt because it was a fact you sucked at healing (which is why we never, ever had you healing anything) and now, because you got into a guild that has carried you through 8/13, you believe you are the best healer on the server and can now dispense your flawed knowledge of the game onto someone who hasn't played the game in 2 months.

In the future, a better way to give that "advice" to someone would probably be through a PM or email... that way you wouldn't come across as a little prick trying to make himself look important.

[Parkbandit]

Now now just last night you entered the DPS tunnel and forgot to gong.


It was his computer....

[TheEschaton]

No, last night, I outright forgot, because we had a dps pull the boss off the tank and I was worried about getting him back on the tank and in the right position. Wasn't tunneling my dps at all, but definitely tunneling.

And you don't get carried as a healer in heroic modes. Maybe if I had gone enhance all through that content, you'd have a point. You have to do your job, or people die. And yes, I sucked at healing on my priest, which is why he is still shadow, but I guarantee I can outheal you in the same level of gear on my shaman.

P.S. You used healing surge as your main heal...patch or no patch, that's not knowing your class.

[g++]

You cant outheal me :)

[TheEschaton]

You're a paladin. I don't remember a fight where a paladin wasn't top heals.

[g++]

:( E has gotten mean since we all left. Did you watch Bones today?

[Parkbandit]

No, last night, I outright forgot, because we had a dps pull the boss off the tank and I was worried about getting him back on the tank and in the right position. Wasn't tunneling my dps at all, but definitely tunneling.

Sounds like a pretty weak excuse for wiping the raid... deja vu....



And you don't get carried as a healer in heroic modes. Maybe if I had gone enhance all through that content, you'd have a point. You have to do your job, or people die.

Wow.. you actually sounded like Jack Nicolsen in "A Few Good Men". He was delusional and and had an overblown feeling of self worth as well.



And yes, I sucked at healing on my priest, which is why he is still shadow, but I guarantee I can outheal you in the same level of gear on my shaman.

You were bad at healing on all of your characters. You sucked at druid healing, were terrible at shaman healing and the worst at priest healing.

But yea.. you would kick my ass at healing.. given I don't have an active account and haven't played in 2 months. Tough talk.. knowing you wouldn't have to back it up.



P.S. You used healing surge as your main heal...patch or no patch, that's not knowing your class.

Wrong. Just because you post it, doesn't make it factual.... much like your claim of being the greatest healer of all time now.

[TheEschaton]

I certainly don't claim to be the greatest healer ever. Or on my server, or in my guild. But I do know how to play the class, and I know I'm good because in a 10 man group, you can't carry a healer in heroic modes. Please don't pretend I wouldn't say what I said if I had THA FEAR OF GOD PUT IN ME if you had an active account.

And believe me, we looked at your healing because you were whining so much so that you eventually moved to resto druid. You were not using healing wave nearly enough, and you substituted healing surge for GHW, and you would lose track of your earth shield.

And when have I ever healed on my druid? Who's making shit up now? Good job comparing what I said about healing in WoW to a movie about defending the U.S. in Cuba.

[Keller]

Are you nerds really arguing about who is the better resto shaman?

This is a new low for the PC.

[TheEschaton]

:( E has gotten mean since we all left. Did you watch Bones today?

I got mean because the people I played the game with went from "Let's down all this shit to I'm gonna try this game out for a bit but I'll still be on to raid to SORRY GAIS TEH GRAPHICS SUX WHICH IS TOTALLY WHY I PLAYED IN THE FIRST PLACE" in less than 2 weeks, leaving me to start over again in a guild in which I could have A) been an officer from the start of the expansion, and B) had a permanent raid spot in what has become the best 10 man on the server, from the beginning, which I gave up to stick with Hounds.

And Bones had their season finale last week.

[Keller]

I got mean because the people I played the game with went from "Let's down all this shit to I'm gonna try this game out for a bit but I'll still be on to raid to SORRY GAIS TEH GRAPHICS SUX WHICH IS TOTALLY WHY I PLAYED IN THE FIRST PLACE" in less than 2 weeks, leaving me to start over again in a guild in which I could have A) been an officer from the start of the expansion, and B) had a permanent raid spot in what has become the best 10 man on the server, from the beginning, which I gave up to stick with Hounds.

And Bones had their season finale last week.

People find new hobbies.

Don't get emo about it.

[g++]

I left because I need to finish my program at school and classes restart the day after labor day for me. If I was not in school I would be playing. I literally had to destroy my authenticator if I had it I would probably log in right now. I have an addictive personality.

[Nieninque]

Are you nerds really arguing about who is the better resto shaman?

This is a new low for the PC.

Too right. We know that the best resto shaman was Dar
Even though he wasnt even resto
And he moaned about me going bearform

[Parkbandit]

I got mean because the people I played the game with went from "Let's down all this shit to I'm gonna try this game out for a bit but I'll still be on to raid to SORRY GAIS TEH GRAPHICS SUX WHICH IS TOTALLY WHY I PLAYED IN THE FIRST PLACE" in less than 2 weeks, leaving me to start over again in a guild in which I could have A) been an officer from the start of the expansion, and B) had a permanent raid spot in what has become the best 10 man on the server, from the beginning, which I gave up to stick with Hounds.



You make it sound like being an officer in the Grass is Greener is some awesome feat... It's probably easier to name the people who weren't offered the officer title than it would be to name people who were.

[TheEschaton]

People find new hobbies.

Don't get emo about it.

Please. If we were all on a bowling team, and in the middle of the season, 80% of your team was like, man, fuck it, I'm gonna play softball, and softball wasn't your thing, you wouldn't be upset?

Point is, most of us don't play the game alone, this hobby is affected by other people who have the same hobby.

[TheEschaton]

You make it sound like being an officer in the Grass is Greener is some awesome feat... It's probably easier to name the people who weren't offered the officer title than it would be to name people who were.

There were 3 officers in the guild when I joined. There are now four.

[Parkbandit]

Please. If we were all on a bowling team, and in the middle of the season, 80% of your team was like, man, fuck it, I'm gonna play softball, and softball wasn't your thing, you wouldn't be upset?

Point is, most of us don't play the game alone, this hobby is affected by other people who have the same hobby.

When would have been an acceptable time for people to leave.. when you said it was ok?

I don't play games for other people's enjoyment.. I play for my own entertainment.

Many of us have played WoW from the beginning and simply got bored doing the same thing everytime we logged in.

[Nieninque]

Please. If we were all on a bowling team, and in the middle of the season, 80% of your team was like, man, fuck it, I'm gonna play softball, and softball wasn't your thing, you wouldn't be upset?

Point is, most of us don't play the game alone, this hobby is affected by other people who have the same hobby.

Hahahaha...this social responsibilty thing has gone too far when people are compelled to play video games for the benefit of other people

[Keller]

Please. If we were all on a bowling team, and in the middle of the season, 80% of your team was like, man, fuck it, I'm gonna play softball, and softball wasn't your thing, you wouldn't be upset?

Point is, most of us don't play the game alone, this hobby is affected by other people who have the same hobby.

I understand it sucks that your teammates quit. I wouldn't sign up next year to bowl with them, but I'd definitely see if they were up for a beer after their softball game.

[Keller]

You make it sound like being an officer in the Grass is Greener is some awesome feat... It's probably easier to name the people who weren't offered the officer title than it would be to name people who were.

I dub thee Sue Sylvester.

[Parkbandit]

I dub thee Sue Sylvester.

What's that Jack McFarland?

[AnticorRifling]

You two are so gay for each other.

[AnticorRifling]

355 ilvl on the resto shaman, respec'd, reglyph'd, working with healbot not sure if I'm in love with it or not. First time I tried using it shit was all over the place but I'm getting more comfortable with it, I might trying using default ui + mouse over macros to achieve the same thing we'll see. Healing thruput went way, way up though and ZA/ZG weren't bad to heal at all. Panther boss everyone was taking a pounding and I kept everyone alive and was in the 12k hps range for the fight so I'm getting the hang of it again.

[TheEschaton]

WAYNE GODDAMN IT STOP SIGNING OFF WHILE YOU'RE STILL IN THE FUCKING GROUP.

[4a6c1]

lolz

[AnticorRifling]

WAYNE GODDAMN IT STOP SIGNING OFF WHILE YOU'RE STILL IN THE FUCKING GROUP.

No, they didn't deserve to finish that shit.


Seriously there is no reason you and I should be working that damn hard to carry some fails. When I'm using mind freeze, strangulate, war stomp, and every mitigation cooldown I have while you're pounding heals like it's a raid boss and the bads just sit there and go HURRRRR.

[TheEschaton]

So, with our mage and arms warrior not showing up this week, we're pretty much recruiting two DPS spots. We're already short one healer.

Coincidentally, three people I know just came back to WoW. Interesting. We need one melee, one ranged, one heals. I dunno how it would work out, because we already have a holy pally, which kinda pushes Dora into the melee spot, Mike far prefers to heal. We could potentially go two melee, one heal, have Shinsplitter, our other DK, switch to his enhance shaman, and go ret/DK/enhance, with hunter/spriest in the back, and hpally/druid and either Mike's priest or shaman healing. Three melee + 2 ranged isn't awful, though I'd obviously prefer it the other way around, especially considering that on one tank fights our warrior goes Arms. But the other group does 3/2 as well, so I'm not overly concerned.

Let me know what you guys think.

[Liagala]

I was talking to Mike earlier, and he said he's going to be the main holy priest for group 2. So it looks like one ranged dps and one melee open.

[AnticorRifling]

I'm down like a clown Charlie Brown. Just tell me what you need.

[Lord Orbstar]

What days and time do u raid? I am on scarlet crusade now...oxith (paladin protection and holy) or dartaghan (mage, of course)

[Lord Orbstar]

Oxith is gs 352 as protection and holy is 349. Dartaghan has blues so is only 343. All over gear not bumped with pvp crap

[TheEschaton]

Was in on some Sinestra attempts tonight. That bitch is a pain in the ass on 10 man. Holy shit. Our healers took a few attempts to get wrack under control, everyone took a few attempts to get orbs under control, and by the time we got to p2 consistently we had p1 on lock but were getting double egg cycles, which was annoying.

-TheE-

[Me]

which guild you in currently Anti? I think I am the only one left in TE heh.

LF

[AnticorRifling]

which guild you in currently Anti? I think I am the only one left in TE heh.

LF

I'm in The Grass is Greener. Currently working on powering up a mage, I need to quit being OCD about my professions and just lvl I can come back for them....

[Keller]

What happened to TE? Mich quit?

[Me]

No Big Fish did. We were having major issues getting 25 people together its not like we were failing but we wouldn't have enough for even tuesday loot day. So finally 2 major healers went to Fish and after that it was a crash and burn. Mich transferred to a top US guild and the rest moved to big fish a few went to Oni but quit same day i think heh. So its me Shuri and Vile and a couple alts and a few casuals. Most nights I am it. Of course Mich kept guild master or I would be selling spots in a level 25 guild and getting rich!!

LF

[TheEschaton]

Come join the top 10 man guild on the server, and wait with the rest of us while our first group does Sinestra while we wipe over and over again on easy shit. ;)

[TheEschaton]

Screenshotted:

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m21/alokpinto/boosh.jpg

[AnticorRifling]

10g a stack for copper ore? Good screenshot.

[Me]

well if you are doing something and need an old hunter yell

[AnticorRifling]

TheE tried to sex me up:

http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n177/anticor/WoW/WoWScrnShot_062311_002454.jpg

Might be hard to see, chat log in the bottom left corner he's basically proclaiming his love for me.

[TheEschaton]

P.S. Our frost DK (who was on his spriest tonight, Noomi), suggested this addon for runes. He says it's what he uses:

http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info17815-DDR-DocsDebugRunes.html

[TheEschaton]

Oh, and we did heroic Magmaw and I got my heroic tier gloves and heroic Incineratus, which I guess I'm reforging to spirit, lol.

[AnticorRifling]

Nice!

That fight we did last night is very doable, just need to have more dps it was very apparent that:

1) I was letting one of my diseases fall off because I wasn't getting my normal indicator and I was focused on the other mechanics of the fight. I could tell when I was keeping them rolling because my DPS was much more gooder.

2) I'm way behind in gear compared to the rest of that group

[TheEschaton]

Yeah, they're all in mostly 372 gear. Even I had 3 or 4 pieces on my shaman.

[AnticorRifling]

Remember I work tonight so I'll be late for raidification. Hopefully Mike is sober(er).

[AnticorRifling]

Anyone able to copy/paste patch notes for me so I've got something to read while I'm in this web training? PLEASE?!

[Parkbandit]

General
Recruit-A-Friend now awards bonus experience and free level grants to level 80, up from level 60.

New Daily Quests: The Regrowth and Molten Front
A large assortment of all-new daily quests and rewards are now available in Hyjal, where players can help the Guardians of Hyjal push back the allies of Ragnaros and establish a forward operating base in the Firelands! In order to partake in the Regrowth and Molten Front daily quests, players must have at least completed Mount Hyjal up to and including the quest Aessina's Miracle. Once this quest has been completed, players should speak with Matoclaw in the Sanctuary of Malorne to take part in the Regrowth efforts.

New Quest Chain: Elemental Bonds
A New quest line is now available to level-85 Horde and Alliance characters, bringing brave adventurers to Thrall's aid. The Call of the World-Shaman, the quest which will point players toward Thrall and The Nordrassil Summit, can be obtained at the Earthshrines in Stormwind or Orgrimmar.

New Raid: The Firelands
Located within the Elemental Plane, the Firelands is an all-new 10- and 25-player raid featuring normal and Heroic difficulties! Battle-hardened veterans of the Horde and Alliance now have an opportunity to strike at Ragnaros the Firelord and his loyal servants by venturing into their domain via Sulfuron Spire in Mount Hyjal.

New Legendary Item: Dragonwrath, Tarecgosa's Rest
Steadfast raiders have an opportunity to embark on a series of quests to create an all-new legendary caster staff. In order to begin the process of assembling the staff, players must first kill a Molten Lord in the Firelands, or have completed any of the achievements Bastion of Twilight, Blackwing Descent, or Throne of the Four Winds. Once any of these achievements have been unlocked, players can accept the quest A Legendary Engagement from Ziradormi in Grommash Hold in Orgrimmar, or Coridormi atop the Wizard's Sanctum in Stormwind (players who have already completed any of these achievements are immediately eligible for this quest). Players who become eligible for the quest series by killing a Molten Lord in the Firelands will automatically receive the quest Your Time Has Come, leading them to the start of the questline. The legendary item questline is only available to druids, mages, priests, shaman, and warlocks.

New User Interface Feature: Dungeon Journal
A host of dungeon information is now built into the user interface via the all-new Dungeon Journal. This feature can be accessed via a new button in the Navigation tray from anywhere in the world. Boss background story, encounter details, abilities, and loot can be viewed with the Dungeon Journal for all bosses which have been integrated into the new system (this includes bosses for all Cataclysm dungeons and raids). Additional dungeons are planned to be incorporated in future updates.

Achievements
Bear-ly Made It (new achievement): Save all four prisoners before they are sacrificed in Zul'Aman on Heroic difficulty.

Classes: General
All healing critical strikes now heal for 2 times a normal heal (+100%), up from 1.5 times a normal heal (+50%).
Players are once again free to dance in combat (without causing graphic errors). Other animations, such as attacks, will take precedence over dancing. The dance animation will be suppressed until the higher priority animation is complete. Fun has been unnerfed.

Buffs
All class abilities which place a buff on friendly targets no longer generate any threat. This goes for raid-wide buffs like Mark of the Wild and Power Word: Fortitude, as well as triggered effects such as Blessed Resilience or Fingers of Frost, and single-target buffs like Dark Intent and Hysteria. The exception is buffs which directly cause healing or damage, such as Thorns or Renew. Abilities such as these still generate normal threat.

Crowd Control
Many crowd control abilities no longer cause creatures to attack players when they are cast. The creature will not attack the player when the crowd control wears off, and nearby creatures will not become hostile to the player either. However, if a visible player gets too close to the target creature, the creature will remember and attack the player when the crowd control effect wears off. The intent is to make it easier for dungeon groups to manage crowd control assignments and pulling packs of hostile NPCs. The abilities affected by this change are: Hibernate, Entangling Roots, Wyvern Sting (will still cause hostility when it begins to deal damage), Freezing Trap, Polymorph, Repentance, Shackle Undead, Blind, Hex, Bind Elemental, Banish, Seduction.

Pets
The Aggressive pet stance has been removed and replaced with the Assist stance. This stance will cause the player's pet to attack the player's target. The pet will not change targets unless the master attacks a new target for a few seconds.
The Defensive pet stance will now only cause the player's pet to attack enemies which attack the pet or the master.

Spell Interrupts
When interrupted while casting a single-school spell such as Mind Flay or Frostbolt, players will now be able to cast dual-school spells such as Mind Spike (Frost and Shadow schools) or Frostfire Bolt (Frost and Fire schools). However, being interrupted while casting a dual-school spell will still interrupt all respective schools as intended.

Stats
Death knights, paladins, and warriors no longer receive any bonus to their chance to dodge from Agility. Their base chance to dodge is now a fixed 5%.
Death knights, paladins, and warriors now receive 27% of their Strength bonuses as parry rating, up from 25%. This conversion still only applies to Strength above and beyond their base Strength.

General Class Bug Fixes
Players should no longer incorrectly receive a message stating they interrupted a spell cast when they did not.
Action bars will no longer briefly disappear when characters that have a stance bar enter a vehicle.

[Parkbandit]

Death Knight (Forums / Talent Calculator / Skills/Talents)
Obliterate base damage has been reduced to 150% weapon damage, down from 160%.

Frost
Hungering Cold now has a 1.5-second cast time.
Might of the Frozen Wastes now increases two-handed weapon damage by 3/7/10%, down from 4/8/12%.

Unholy
Unholy Might now increases Strength by 20%, up from 5%.

Glyphs
Glyph of Dark Succor has been redesigned. Rather than placing a 15% maximum health floor on Death Strike healing while in Frost or Unholy Presence, it causes the next Death Strike within 15 seconds after killing a foe that yields experience or Honor Points to heal for at least 20% of the death knight's maximum health (still requires Frost or Unholy Presence).

Death Knight Bug Fixes
The talent Killing Machine can now properly be triggered from off-hand attacks as well as main-hand attacks.

Druid (Forums / Talent Calculator / Skills/Talents)
Druids now gain 1 attack power per point of Strength, down from 2. They continue to gain 2 attack power per point of Agility while in Cat Form or Bear Form. In addition, Cat Form's scaling rate from gear upgrades was slower than other classes, which was causing them to fall behind in damage with higher item levels. To counter the Strength change and improve scaling, the following changes have been made. All numbers cited are for level-85 druids.
Ferocious Bite damage has been increased by 15%. In addition, its base cost has been reduced to 25 energy and it can use up to 25 energy, for up to a 100% damage increase.
Mangle (Cat) damage at level 80 and above has been increased to 540% weapon damage, up from 460%, and bonus damage has been lowered to 302.
Rake initial damage on hit now deals the same damage as each periodic tick (and is treated the same for all combat calculations). Periodic damage now gains 14.7% of attack power per tick, up from 12.6%, and base damage per tick has been lowered from 557 to 56. There is a known issue with Rake's tooltip being incorrect from this change will be corrected in a future patch.
Ravage damage at level 80 and above has been increased to 950% weapon damage, up from 850%, and bonus damage has been lowered to 532.
Savage Roar now grants 80% increased damage to melee auto attacks, up from 50%. The Glyph of Savage Roar remains an unchanged bonus of 5% to that total.
Shred damage at level 80 and above has been increased to 540% weapon damage, up from 450%, and bonus damage has been lowered to 302.
Entangling Roots and the equivalent spell triggered by Nature's Grasp no longer deal damage.
Innervate now grants an ally target 5% of his or her maximum mana over 10 seconds, but still grants 20% of the druid's maximum mana over 10 seconds when self-cast.
Omen of Clarity clearcasting buff from now lasts 15 seconds, up from 8 seconds.
Starfire damage has been increased by approximately 23%.
Swipe (Cat) now deals 600% weapon damage at level 80 or higher, down from 670%.
Wrath damage has been increased by approximately 23%.

Balance
Earth and Moon's duration has been increased to 15 seconds, up from 12.
Fungal Growth spell visual effect has been updated to be less visually intrusive and more aesthetic.
Lunar Shower has been redesigned. When casting Moonfire, the druid gains Lunar Shower. Lunar Shower increases the direct damage done by Moonfire by 15/30/45%, and reduces the mana cost by 10/20/30%. This effect stacks up to 3 times and lasts 3 seconds. While under the effects of Lunar Shower, Moonfire generates 8 Solar Energy, and Sunfire generates 8 Lunar Energy. The amount of Lunar/Solar Energy gained does not change based on the number of points spent in the talent, or stacks of Lunar Shower. Those druids who wish to delay transition in or out of an Eclipse state should now cast the one of their two basic attacks which will not move the Eclipse bar (either Starfire or Wrath).
Solar Beam has a new spell effect.
Wild Mushroom: Detonate can now also trigger Earth and Moon, in addition to Starfire and Wrath.

Feral
Bear damage abilities were scaling too fast with higher gear levels compared to other tanks, so the following balance changes have been made. All the numbers cited are for level 85 characters; numbers will be lower for lower-level characters.
Faerie Fire (Feral) base damage has been raised to 2950, up from 679. Attack power scaling has been decreased to 10.8%, down from 15%.
Maul base damage has been raised to 35, up from 8. Attack power scaling has been decreased to 19%, down from 26.4%.
Pulverize weapon damage percent has been decreased to 60%, down from 80%. Damage per Lacerate application has been increased to 1623, up from 361.
Mangle (Bear) weapon damage percent has been decreased to 190%, down from 260%. Bonus damage has been increased to 3306, down from 754.
Swipe base damage has been increased to 929, up from 215. Attack power scaling has been decreased to 12.3%, down from 17.1%.
Thrash initial base damage has been increased to 1042, up from 339. Initial damage attack power scaling has been decreased to 9.82%, down from 19.2%. Periodic base damage has been increased to 581, up from 189. Periodic damage attack power scaling has been decreased to 1.67%, down from 3.26%. In addition, a bug was corrected where armor decreased the periodic damage done by this ability.
Lacerate initial base damage has been increased to 3608, up from 2089. Initial damage attack power scaling has been decreased to 5.52%, down from 7.66%. Periodic base damage has been increased to 69, up from 16. Periodic damage attack power scaling has been decreased to 0.369%, down from 0.512%.
Natural Reaction damage reduction has been increased to 9/18%, up from 6/12%.

Restoration
Symbiosis (Mastery) has been removed and replaced with Harmony. Harmony increases direct healing by an additional 10%, and casting direct healing spells grants an additional 10% bonus to periodic healing for 10 seconds. Each point of mastery increases each bonus by an additional 1.25%. Healing Touch, Nourish, Swiftmend, and the initial heal from Regrowth are considered direct healing spells for the purposes of this Mastery. All other healing from druid spells is considered periodic.

Glyphs
Glyph of Berserk duration increase is now 10 seconds, up from 5.
Glyph of Ferocious Bite has been redesigned. It now causes Ferocious Bite to heal the caster for 1% of maximum health for each 10 energy used.
Glyph of Innervate now causes the druid to gain 10% of his or her maximum mana over 10 seconds when Innervate is used on a friendly target, in addition to Innervate's base effect.

Set Bonuses
The 4-piece Balance druid tier 11 PvE set bonus, Astral Alignment, now provides a total of 15% critical strike chance with 3 charges, decreasing by 5% per charge, instead of 99% decreasing by 33% per charge. This change was made because the set bonus proved so valuable it was not possible to upgrade out of the set into tier 12. To compensate, changes have been made to Starfire and Wrath (listed at the top of the druid class section).
The 2-piece Restoration druid tier 11 PvE set bonus has been redesigned to work with the new Restoration druid mastery. Druids with this bonus now receive the bonus to Spirit while the Harmony mastery bonus to periodic healing is active.

Druid Bug Fixes
It is no longer possible in some encounters to use Feral Charge when closer than its minimum range.

Hunter (Forums / Talent Calculator / Skills/Talents)
Multi-shot damage has been reduced. It now deals 120% weapon damage at level 80 or higher, down from 137%.
Traps now scale with hunter stats such as hit, expertise, spell penetration and attack power as intended.

Marksmanship
Careful Aim now grants additional critical strike chance against targets over 90% health, up from 80% health.

Survival
Black Arrow damage done has been increased by roughly 40%.

Pets
10 new rare tamable beasts have been added, each of which provides a unique taming challenge. Will you be the first hunter to tame Deth'tilac, the rarest and most powerful of them all? Players will need to progress through the Hyjal Regrowth and Molten Front daily questing areas in order to unlock access to the full gamut of taming challenges.
Intervene (Pet Tenacity) has been redesigned. The pet runs at high speed toward a group member, reducing the damage done by the next melee or ranged attack made against them equal to 50% of the pet's total health.

Mage (Forums / Talent Calculator / Skills/Talents)
Arcane Blast damage done has been reduced by 5%.
Pyroblast cast when Hot Streak is not active was doing slightly less damage than the Hot Streak version. Its damage has been increased so that both versions of Pyroblast now do the same amount of damage.
Spellsteal mana cost has been increased by 100%.

Fire
When Impact spreads Living Bomb, it will only be spread to two additional targets. The net effect is that if the mage's most recent Living Bomb target is the same as their Impact target, that target will no longer lose the Living Bomb effect. If Living Bomb is active on multiple targets when the Impact effect is cast, Living Bomb will remain active on the most recent Living Bomb target, and will be added to two other nearby targets.

Frost
Deep Freeze and Ring of Frost will cause diminishing returns on each other, in addition to the spells they normally share diminishing returns with.

Paladin (Forums / Talent Calculator / Skills/Talents)
Divine Light mana cost has been increased to 35% of base mana, up from 30%.
Flash of Light mana cost has been increased to 31% of base mana, up from 27%.
Guardian of Ancient Kings uses the new Assist pet stance functionality.
Holy Light mana cost has been increased to 12% of base mana, up from 10%.
Rebuke, Divine Shield and Divine Protection have new icons.
Seal of Righteousness now can be activated by any melee ability, not just single target melee abilities. This adds Hammer of the Righteous (the physical component) and Divine Storm to the list of abilities that can activate this seal. In addition, Seal of Righteousness procs can now be critical effects.

Holy
Beacon of Light can no longer be dispelled. In addition, it now transfers 100% of the heal from Holy Light, but still 50% of the heal from other spells.
Denounce has been redesigned. It still reduces the mana cost of Exorcism. However, it no longer has a chance on Holy Shock of making Exorcism free and instant. Instead, it has a 50/100% chance to prevent the Exorcism target from causing critical effects for the next 6 seconds. This effect can be dispelled.
Holy Shock mana cost has been decreased to 7% of base mana, down from 8%.
Illuminated Healing (Mastery) has been adjusted slightly so that if a paladin refreshes an existing copy of his or her own Illuminated Healing on a target, the new absorption amount will be added into the old absorption amount and the duration will be reset. The total absorption created can never exceed 1/3 of the casting paladin's health.
Infusion of Light can now lower the cast time of Flash of Light by 0.75/1.5 seconds, in addition to Holy Light and Divine Light. In addition, the old Denounce spell overlay effect has been transferred to Infusion of Light since Denounce is no longer a proc.
Speed of Light now increases movement speed when Holy Radiance or Divine Protection are cast. In addition, this talent now reduces the cooldown of Holy Radiance by 13/26/40 seconds, up from 10/20/30.
Walk in the Light now improves Word of Glory healing by 30%, in addition to its current effects.

Protection
Ardent Defender has a new spell effect.
Guarded By The Light no longer interacts with Holy Shield in any way.
Hammer of the Righteous mana cost has been lowered to 10%, down from 12% to match Crusader Strike.
Holy Shield has been redesigned. This talent is now an activated ability off the global cooldown. It grants 20% increased block amount to a paladin's shield blocks for 10 seconds, with a 30-second cooldown.
Judgements of the Wise now procs on attempt rather than on strike, which means judgements that miss can still grant mana. This is to help ensure Protection paladins are not starved for mana if they aren't capped on hit rating.

Retribution
Inquiry of Faith now increases Inquisition duration by 66/133/200%, up from 50/100/150%.
The Seals of Command talent now makes Seal of Righteousness hit an unlimited number of melee targets, instead of only 2 additional targets.
Selfless Healer can no longer be dispelled and cannot be stolen via Spellsteal; and, in addition to its current effects, it lowers the cooldown of Word of Glory by 5/10 seconds.

Glyphs
Glyph of Seal of Truth expertise bonus now also works when Seal of Righteousness is active.

Priest (Forums / Talent Calculator / Skills/Talents)
Devouring Plague damage done has been decreased by 12%.
Mind Blast damage done has been increased by 12%.
Shadowfiend uses the new Assist pet stance functionality.
Shadow Word: Death damage done has been increased by 12%.
Shadow Word: Pain damage done has been decreased by 12%.

Shadow
Mind Flay damage done has been increased by 12%.
Psychic Horror no longer has a forward facing requirement, making it consistent with other non-projectile-based crowd control spells.
Sin and Punishment's Vampiric Touch backlash fear effect no longer has diminishing returns.
Vampiric Touch damage done has been decreased by 12%.

Priest Bug Fixes
Players will no longer prematurely cancel a channeled spell when clicking on the Lightwell.

Rogue (Forums / Talent Calculator / Skills/Talents)
Cloak of Shadows cooldown is now 2 minutes, up from 90 seconds. In addition, Cloak of Shadows is no longer on the global cooldown.
Combat Readiness and Cloak of Shadows now share a cooldown.
Blind duration against enemy NPCs is now 1 minute, while the duration against players remains 8 seconds.
Stealth now once again begins its cooldown once the rogue leaves Stealth.

Assassination
Assassin's Resolve damage bonus has been increased to 20%, up from 15%.
Vile Poisons now increases poison damage by 12/24/36%, up from 7/14/20%.

Combat
Savage Combat now increases attack power by 3/6%, up from 2/4%.
Vitality now increases attack power by 30%, up from 25%.

Subtlety
Elusiveness now reduces the cooldown of Cloak of Shadows by 15/30 seconds, up from 10/20, and now also reduces the cooldown of Combat Readiness by 15/30 seconds.
Hemorrhage base damage has been increased by 40%.
Sanguinary Vein damage to bleeding targets has been increased to 8/16%, from 5/10%.

Shaman (Forums / Talent Calculator / Skills/Talents)
Fire Nova damage has been increased by 15%.
Lightning Shield and Water Shield can no longer be dispelled.
Unleash Elements is now in the Nature school, and thus can no longer be used if a shaman's Nature school has been locked out.
Unleash Wind now deals 175% weapon damage, up from 125%.
Water Shield has had its internal cooldown reduced to 3.5 seconds, once again matching other shields. The amount of mana restored when Water Shield procs has been reduced by 50%.

Elemental
Call of Flame now also causes Fire Nova to add 3/6 seconds to the duration of Flame Shock auras on targets that Fire Nova damages.
Lava Flows now grants a 30/60/90% haste buff when a Flame Shock effect is dispelled, up from 10/20/30%.
Thunderstorm now reduces the movement speed of players it knocks back by 40% for 5 seconds.

Enhancement
Stormstrike now deals 225% weapon damage, up from 125%.

Restoration
Improved Water Shield has been redesigned and renamed Resurgence. When Water Shield is active, Resurgence causes critical direct heals to restore mana (Resurgence rank 2 is roughly equal to 150% of the old Improved Water Shield value when a Healing Wave or Greater Healing Wave critically hits, and scaled down accordingly for faster or multi-target spells).
Mana Tide now grants 200% of the caster's Spirit, down from 400%.

Glyphs
Glyph of Unleashed Lightning (new Prime glyph) allows Lightning Bolt to be cast while moving.

Set Bonuses
The 4-piece Elemental shaman PvP set bonus (Gladiator's Thunderfist set) has been redesigned. It now causes Lightning Shield to generate an extra charge, rather than consuming one, when it is triggered by receiving damage, up to a maximum of 3 (9 with the Rolling Thunder talent).

Warlock (Forums / Talent Calculator / Skills/Talents)
Soul Fire is now available at level 20, down from level 54.
Soul Harvest has a new spell effect.

Glyphs
Glyph of Soul Swap now applies a 30-second cooldown to Soul Swap, up from 15 seconds.

Warlock Bug Fixes
It is no longer possible to leave combat while channeling Drain Soul.

Warrior (Forums / Talent Calculator / Skills/Talents)
Overpower now has a 1.5-second cooldown and global cooldown (Taste for Blood's Overpower cooldown has not changed).
Recklessness and Deadly Calm can no longer be used at the same time. One cannot be used while the other is active, but using one does not put the other on its full cooldown.
Retaliation, Recklessness and Shield Wall no longer have stance requirements.

Arms
Two-Handed Weapon Specialization weapon damage increase has been lowered to 12%, down from 20%.

Fury
Dual Wield Specialization weapon damage increase has been lowered to 5%, down from 10%.

Warrior Bug Fixes
It is no longer possible in some encounters to use Charge when closer than its minimum range.

[Parkbandit]

Currency
Conquest & Honor Points
All existing Conquest Points in the Currency tab have been converted to Honor Points. Any points above the Honor Point cap must be spent within the next week before Season 10 starts. Once Season 10 begins, all Honor Points exceeding the 4,000 point cap will be converted into gold at a rate of 35 silver per point and mailed to characters.
The minimum cap on Conquest Points earned per week from Arenas is now 1350 at 1500 or less Arena rating. The maximum cap is now 2700 at 3000 or more Arena rating. The cap continues to scale non-linearly between those two points. For comparison, during season 9 the cap ranged between 1343 and 3000.
The game now separately tracks different Conquest Point caps for Battlegrounds and Arenas. Battleground ratings receive a bonus of 22.2% to the cap they generate, meaning the cap from Battleground rating now ranges between 1650 and 3300. Players may earn a total number of Conquest Points per week equal to the higher of these two caps, but once players have reached the cap for either Arenas or Battlegrounds, they can no longer earn Conquest Points from that source. Conquest Points from Battleground holidays only count toward the total Conquest Point cap.
Example: During the first week of Season 10 everyone starts with a rating below 1500. Therefore, the cap from Rated Battlegrounds will be 1650 and the cap from Arena rating will be 1350. In the first week, the character wins enough Arena matches to reach the 1350 point cap. After that point, Arena wins will no longer grant Conquest points for the week. However, the character can still earn up to 300 additional points, but can only earn those points from either Rated Battlegrounds, or from the Conquest Point bonus for holiday and/or daily random Battlegrounds. The following week the cap will be recalculated based on the character's ratings, and it is possible Arena rating could now generate the higher cap. The second week, the character's cap from Arena rating is 1800, and the cap from Rated Battlegrounds is 1650. The character has a total cap of 1800 Conquest points for the week. Up to 1650 points can be earned from Rated Battlegrounds, but the last 150 must come from a different source.

Valor & Justice Points
All existing Valor Points in the Currency tab have been converted to Justice Points. Any points above the Justice Point cap will be converted into gold at a rate of 47 silver per point and mailed to characters.
The maximum number of Valor Points which can be earned in a week from any and all applicable dungeons and raids is now 980, down from 1250.
The maximum number of Valor Points awarded for completing Rise of the Zandalari dungeons remains at 980.
The maximum number of Valor Points awarded for completing Heroic dungeons remains at 490.
The number of Valor Points awarded for killing a boss in the Firelands is 120 in 10-player mode, and 140 in 25-player mode.
The number of Valor Points awarded for killing Occu'thar in Baradin Hold is 120 in 10-player mode, and 140 in 25-player mode.
The number of Valor Points awarded for killing a boss on Heroic difficulty in The Bastion of Twilight, Blackwing Descent, and Throne of the Four winds is 35 in 10-player mode, and 45 in 25-player mode.

Dungeons & Raids
Raid Profiles have been added which allow players to save the raid window user interface layout based on type of content (i.e. 10-player raids, 25-player raids, Battlegrounds, etc.) for future use.
Players can select PvE, PvP, specialization, and group size. Each Raid Profile type will then automatically setup going forward.
This feature is available for 5-player content as well when Use Raid-Style Party Frames is selected in the Interface options.
Raid Profiles can list groups horizontally as well as vertically.
A Raid button has been added to the Navigation tray which will bring players straight to the Raid window in the Social pane.

Baradin Hold
Occu'thar has broken free from his cage and presents an all-new boss challenge to players in 10- and 25-player arrangements who control Tol Barad.

The Bastion of Twilight
The damage modifier on normal difficulty has been reduced for Arion, Elementium Monstrosity, Feludius, Ignacius, and Terrastra.
One of each type of bound elemental in the Ascendant Council chamber has been removed.
Bound Deluge's Frost Whirl ability now deals 50% less damage.
Arion
Chain Lightning damage and chain distance has been reduced.
Cho'gall
Health, melee damage, Health of Corrupting Adherent, Depravity damage, Corrupting Crash damage, Flaming Destruction damage, and Unleashed Shadows damage have all been reduced by 20%.
Corrupting Crash and Depravity
The amount of Corruption they give has been reduced to 5, down from 10.
Corrupted Bite effect caused by Blood of the Old God has been reduced.
Damage taken from Corruption of the Old God per Corrupted Blood has been reduced from 3% per stack to 2% per stack.
Debilitating Beam damage has been reduced by 20%.
The duration of Twisted Devotion has been reduced by 25%.
Dragon Siblings
Health, melee damage, Twilight Meteorite damage, Devouring Flames, Blackout damage, Unstable Twilight damage, Twilight Zone damage, Twilight Blast damage, and Fabulous Flames damage have all been reduced by 20%.
Elementium Monstrosity
Electrical Instability damage has been reduced.
Feludius
Damage due to being frozen while Waterlogged has been reduced.
Halfus
Health, melee damage, Fireball/Fireball Barrage damage, Furious Roar damage, Scorching Breath damage, and Shadow Nova damage have all been reduced by 20%.
Nether Scion, Slate Dragon, Storm Rider, Time Warden, and Orphaned Emerald Whelp health has been reduced by 20%.
Shadow Nova base cast time has been increased.
Ignacious
Rising Flames now increases damage by 3% per stack, down from 5%.
Terrastra
Harden Skin now increases physical damage dealt by 20%, down from 100%.

Blackwing Descent
Atramedes
Health, melee damage, modulation damage, Roaring Flame Breath damage, and Searing Flame damage have all been reduced by 20%.
Modulation no longer causes Sound in normal difficulty.
Sound given by Sonar Pulse has been reduced to 3, down from 5.
Chimaeron
Health has been reduced by 20% and melee damage has been reduced by 10%.
Chimaeron will now only cast two caustic slimes per 30-second cycle.
Drakeadon Mongrel
Time Lapse no longer stuns.
Frost Burn silence is now 3 seconds.
Dwarven Kings
Whirlwind no longer drops threat.
Execution Sentence now deals damage only.
Shield of Light absorption has been reduced.
Magmaw
Damage and hit points have been reduced by 20%.
Lava Parasites have been diminished.
Lava Spew damage, Magma Spit damage, Massive Crash damage, and Infectious Vomit damage have all been been reduced.
Mangled Lifeless no longer instantly kills, and its damage has been reduced.
Parasitic Infection has been decreased.
Maloriak
Health, damage, Aberration health/damage, Arcane Storm damage, Prime Subject damage, Flash Freeze/Shatter damage, and Scorching Blast damage have all been decreased by 20%.
The Aberration stacking damage buff has been decreased.
Prime Subjects no longer fixate, and are no longer immune to taunt effects.
Nefarian
Health and melee damage has been reduced by 20%.
Animated Bone Warriors take 33 seconds to fall over, down from 50. In addition, fewer Animated Bone Warriors spawn.
Blast Nova cast time has been increased.
Chromatic Prototype health has been reduced by 20%.
Electrocute damage has been reduced by 30%.
Magma Stacking debuff effect has been reduced by 75%.
Nefarian's Shadowblaze cast frequency cannot increase beyond 1 once every 15 seconds.
Onyxia health and melee damage has been reduced by 20%.
Shadowflame Barrage damage has been reduced by 20%.
Tail Lash damage has been reduced by 50%.
Omnotron Council
Health, Melee damage, Electrical Discharge damage, Lightning Conductor damage, Health of Poison Bomb, Incineration Security Measure damage, and Arcane Annihilator damage have all been reduced by 20%.
Barrier absorb amount has been increased by 100%.
The cooldown on Power Conversion (Converted Power chance) has been increased.
Flamethrower damage has been reduced by 40%.
Static Shock caused by Unstable Shield damage and Poison Bomb damage has been decreased by 50%.

Deadmines
Vanessa VanCleef (Heroic difficulty) now has a sweet, sweet voice to accompany her dialog.

Throne of the Four Winds
Al'Akir
Acid Rain now stacks every 20 seconds, up from 15.
Electrocute now pulses every 1 second, up from 0.5.
Feedback duration has been increased to 30 seconds, up from 20.
Health, damage, and Wind Burst damage have all been reduced by 20%.
Lightning and Lightning Rod recast time has been increased.
Lightning Strike friendly chain damage has been reduced by 50%.
Static Shock will no longer be used on normal difficulty in phase 1 or phase 2.
Conclave of the Four Winds
Rohash, Anshal, Nezir melee, Ravenous Creeper health/damage, Ravenous Creeper toxic spores damage, Hurricane damage, Sleet Storm damage, Permafrost damage , Slicing Gale, and Wind Blast damage have all been reduced by 20%.
Gathering Strength cast time has been increased.
Ice Patch slow effect is now 5% per stack, up to 10 stacks, down from 10% per stack, up to 30 stacks, and damage has been reduced by 20%.
Wind Chill damage has been decreased by 20% and now increases damage taken by 5% per stack.

Zul'Gurub
All cauldron buffs are now usable while mounted.
High Priestess Kilnara's death now turns off the flaming tiki mask gauntlet.
High Priest Venoxis's death now removes the poison from the plants at the start of the dungeon.

Dungeon & Raid Bug Fixes
Bosses are now immune to the shrinking effect from Gnomish Shrink Ray.
The achievement Aberrant Behavior should no longer incorrectly reset its kill tracking during the Maloriak encounter in Blackwing Descent.
Anshal's Soothing Breeze should no longer cause combat pets to behave erratically in Throne of the Four Winds.
Raid Marker icons are now visible in all phases of boss encounters.

Guilds
Guild Finder
Long comments will now work and not be cut off in the display.
The daily guild experience cap has been increased by 25%.
The weekly guild reputation cap has been increased by 25%.
The guild experience cap is now removed at level 20, down from level 23.
The Reins of the Dark Phoenix, purchased from the Guild Vendor, has had its art improved. It's now less transparent and indisputably more awesome.

Items
If a player wins a Need roll under the Need Before Greed system on a Bind on Equip item, the item will become Soulbound to that player. The item will remain unbound if won via a Greed roll.
Applicable tier 11 items now cost Justice Points.
Darkmoon Card: Hurricane damage done when triggered has been increased by 40%, however, it can no longer deal critical strikes and no longer receives any modifiers to its damage from the equipping player.
The Keyring bag slot has been removed to make room in the user interface for new features.
Keys which no longer serve a purpose in the game will be removed from player inventories. Compensation for the keys will be automatically provided in the form of each key's vendor sell price in gold.
Keys which are obsolete quest items will be removed from player inventories.
Keys which may still be of use to players will be transferred to regular inventory space. If a player's bags are full, these keys will sit in a backlogged inventory until sufficient space is made available. Once space is opened, the keys will appear in regular inventory upon the player logging out or switching zones.

PvP Items & Rewards
Applicable Season 9 items now cost Honor Points.
Gladiator Weapons
Season 10 Conquest Point weapons will only be purchasable once a required minimum sum of Conquest Points has been reached during the current season. For example, Ruthless Gladiator's Pike costs 3400 Conquest Points to purchase. However, players must first earn a total of 7800 Conquest Points during Season 10 before they are able to purchase it.
Season 9 Honor Point weapons will only be purchasable once a required minimum sum of Honor Points has been reached during the current season. For example, Vicious Gladiator's Pike costs 3400 Honor Points to purchase. However, players must first earn a total of 7250 Honor Points during Season 10 before they are able to purchase it.
Once the minimum sum of points required to purchase weapons is reached, all available weapons can be purchased for their listed costs. The point requirement is not reset once a purchase is made.
Weapon tooltips from the vendor will let players know how many more Conquest or Honor Points must be earned in the current season before the item can be purchased.
Rated Battleground Rewards
New PvP ground mounts, the Vicious War Wolf (Horde) and Vicious War Steed (Alliance), will be awarded to players for completing achievements to win 75, 150, and 300 Rated Battlegrounds respectively, rather than for being in the top .5% of the ladder at the end of each season as with Arenas. This award system is to better compliment the spirit of Battlegrounds. One account-bound mount will be awarded for each achievement unlocked, allowing players who obtain 150 and 300 Rated Battleground wins to earn this mount a second and third time. The additional mounts earned can then be sent to alt characters, given they're account-bound. These mounts are awarded as soon as an associated achievement is unlocked and do not correspond with end-of-season rewards.
Set Bonuses
The 2-piece resilience bonus from Cataclysm PvP sets no longer stacks. If a player wears 2 pieces each from 2 different Cataclysm sets, the player will only receive the 400 resilience rating bonus once. This change does not apply to PvP sets from prior expansions.

[Parkbandit]

Professions
Engineering
D.E.H.T.A. has recently placed a great number of critters under their protection, especially rabbits and squirrels. Because of this, Flintlocke's Woodchucker has been re-fitted to use wild chickens until an "agreement" can be reached.

Skinning
Players can no longer skin corpses already being actively skinned or looted by other players.

PvP
Arenas
The individual Matchmaking Rating column has been removed from the Arena scoreboard.
The Ring of Valor has been added to the Arena rotation once again. Players no longer start the match on elevators at the center of the map. They now begin the match in starting rooms on opposite sides of the Arena.

Battlegrounds
The individual Matchmaking Rating column has been removed from the Rated Battleground scoreboard and replaced with a team Matchmaking Rating.
Eye of the Storm has been added into the rotation as a 10-man Rated Battleground. The tug-of-war style capture points have been replaced with Arathi Basin style capture points to better support 10v10 competition. This change applies only to Rated Battlegrounds. Eye of the Storm is otherwise still a 15-player Battleground with tug-of-war style capture points.
Warsong Gulch has been added back into the Rated Battleground rotation.

War Games
Many improvements have been made to the War Games interface. It now has its own panel for ease of use and raid/group leaders are the only ones who can challenge another group to War Games.

Quests & Creatures
There are no longer oddities in the critical strike and dodge chance of lower-level creatures.
Creatures will now display smooth energy regeneration for players.

Races
All character races now have a /roar sound.

User Interface
The Interface Options screens have changed size to match the Video and Audio screens. This allows for a larger Compact Unit Frames Profiles panel.
Addons will no longer be able to intelligently swap items by working with the built-in Equipment Manager.
The order in which characters are listed at the Character Selection screen can now be rearranged and saved.
The cast bar can now be moved to display below the Character frame.
Character talent specializations can now be viewed on mouseover of the Battlegrounds Scoreboard.
There is now a Dismiss Pet option on unit frames.
The durability character display will now show items as yellow when they are below 20% durability, instead of when items have 5 durability or less.
The Macros window and Spellbook can now both be open at the same time to allow for more intuitive macro creation. In addition, the Macros window has a Save/Cancel button.
It is now easier to change the language of the game client to any language available in the region.
A target or focus target can be selected within the mini-map tracking (does not include enemy players).
Vendors now display currency types they use.

Technical
The Blizzard Launcher now utilizes Universal Plug and Play for port configuration. If your router supports UPnP it will automatically open the ports that it requires and your downloads will be unrestricted.

[Parkbandit]

That's right Dora.... delete your late posts!

[Liagala]

Anyone able to copy/paste patch notes for me so I've got something to read while I'm in this web training? PLEASE?!
Here's the part you care about:

•Players are once again free to dance in combat (without causing graphic errors). Other animations, such as attacks, will take precedence over dancing. The dance animation will be suppressed until the higher priority animation is complete. Fun has been unnerfed.

[Liagala]

That's right Dora.... delete your late posts!
I think you got lost, old man. The Rift thread is over there!

[AnticorRifling]

Interesting. The Killing Machine bug fix makes me happy but that buff to unholy makes me wonder what's going to be the pace setter in current content...

[AnticorRifling]

Here's the part you care about:

•Players are once again free to dance in combat (without causing graphic errors). Other animations, such as attacks, will take precedence over dancing. The dance animation will be suppressed until the higher priority animation is complete. Fun has been unnerfed.

That's pretty important and you know it!

[Cephalopod]

Holy shit, I think I might have to play WoW again for that.

[Me]

i have to play wow too long a wait to log into rift....

LF

[AnticorRifling]

i have to play wow too long a wait to log into rift....

LF

I think you accidently.

[Liagala]

I think you accidently.
I don't think so. She left out a subject, but that's common enough. "I have to play wow. There is too long a wait to log into Rift." I think you're too excited about new tabards and dancing with Firelands bosses to think straight.

Though to be fair, "straight" very rarely describes the way you think.

[AnticorRifling]

I don't think so. He left out a subject, but that's common enough. "I have to play wow. There is too long a wait to log into Rift." I think you're too excited about new tabards and dancing with Firelands bosses to think straight.

Though to be fair, "straight" very rarely describes the way you think.

She's not a he.

[Liagala]

She's not a he.
It should get a less gender-neutral posting name then! Or post boobs. Either would be acceptable.

Edit: Stolen from MMO-Champion. Balls or GTFO (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqTvdz7mv7c&feature=feedlik)

[Some Rogue]

Servers up on time. Shocked.

[AnticorRifling]

Servers up on time. Shocked.

I forgot that I don't do any background patching when I'm at work so I've now got my laptop plugged into my phone and I'm currently patching this mother up.

I work tonight but should be home and on before 10p EST.

[TheEschaton]

Interesting. The Killing Machine bug fix makes me happy but that buff to unholy makes me wonder what's going to be the pace setter in current content...

The initial theorycrafting numbers are suggesting that unholy will be better DPS, even on single target, which seems like it'll be hotfixed if it ends up being true in practice as well.

[Some Rogue]

Tank loots drop in the firelands trash clear and I let it go because I thought the other guy was a group one tank (and he wasn't). I bet I never see this trinket again in my life. :(

[TheEschaton]

Most stable patch day I've ever seen, it's like a normal day.

[Me]

No boobs for you!

[AnticorRifling]

Tank loots drop in the firelands trash clear and I let it go because I thought the other guy was a group one tank (and he wasn't). I bet I never see this trinket again in my life. :(

After everyone logged off last night Group 1 was finished with their raid but a few guys wanted to do a bit more trash to hit friendly or whatever, I said I'd go. Last pack, 378 caster dagger dropped and they gave it to me. BOOSH!

[Some Rogue]

Hehe nice. I did end up getting that trinket. It's the one I linked last night.

[TheEschaton]

Yeah, we had a second one drop on a later trash run, Rennoc, and me and Landon convinced them to give it to you since you passed on it earlier. It ended up the heroic VNT trinket wasn't that much worse, so they sold the second one for 32k, lol.

[AnticorRifling]

200 frostweave for 5 ranks of tailoring....fuck me. Almost to 425 so I can start on embersilk weee.

[Some Rogue]

Yeah, we had a second one drop on a later trash run, Rennoc, and me and Landon convinced them to give it to you since you passed on it earlier. It ended up the heroic VNT trinket wasn't that much worse, so they sold the second one for 32k, lol.

How nice of them. I'll know to try to get my hands on every piece I can now. :P

[TheEschaton]

They let the holy pally they pugged last night roll on the shield off Beth'tilac last night against the group 1 holy pally. And if she had won they woulda given it to her. I think the philosophy is that they're just purple pixels. ;)

[Liagala]

They let the holy pally they pugged last night roll on the shield off Beth'tilac last night against the group 1 holy pally. And if she had won they woulda given it to her. I think the philosophy is that they're just purple pixels. ;)
Some of them may think they're purple pixels, but not Rocktall. I thought he was going to need new pants over that tank trinket when it dropped, and it wasn't even for him. He was all freaked out over the patterns dropping too.

[TheEschaton]

Early BoEs we can sell are pretty sexy, like I said, the scales sold for 32k. If Wayne didn't need that caster dagger that dropped (he literally came in for like 3 trash packs), we probably could have sold that for 40k, easily.

He was gushing over the patterns too for awhile, but that was our first trash run...I don't think any of us realized how quick they were gonna drop, we've gotten about 8 or 9 in the guild runs in the past two days. Even the BoEs have been dropping at a decent rate, we've gotten 6 since the patch dropped (2 tank trinkets, caster dagger, feral druid staff, one hand strength axe....maybe it was only 5).

[Liagala]

I think there's a 2-handed axe from that trash. It has been kindly waiting until after Wayne switches to his mage, I know. As soon as he shows up on the goblin, it'll drop for me.

[AnticorRifling]

I'll be late tonight, gotta work til 9.

[TheEschaton]

First two tokens to drop off Majordomo/Rag were warrior, hunter, shaman, and I won both of them. 2 pc t12, woot, 3 pc as soon as we clear some stuff tomorrow.

[Liagala]

I still have that living ember from Shannox in my bag. Did we ever decide what I'm supposed to do with it?

[TheEschaton]

They're used for craftables. There's one in the bank, so if you get two more somewhere, you can craft someone some 378 shit. I think we used our first four for some tank boots.

[Liagala]

They're used for craftables. There's one in the bank, so if you get two more somewhere, you can craft someone some 378 shit. I think we used our first four for some tank boots.
I know that, but there was discussion on whether it gets thrown in the bank, thrown in the bank in a specific "group 2" spot, or given to one of our crafters. I'm not sure what the resolution was.

[Some Rogue]

Give to me. That solved that.

[Drunken Durfin]

fuck ugh.

[Some Rogue]

I should make a WoW things that make you frown thread....


Stupid hunter was fucking with Deth'tilac forever today but I let him keep going, he had it down to like 15% but never would tame before he finally gave up.

So I go up and try, second try is going perfectly when an ally hunter shows up...I don't know if he was helping or not but with him, his pet and the druid of the flame all running around, I screwed up the kite and got killed which killed the spider. :(

[g++]

E I sent the mats to your mage for the gun, hook me up thx!

[TheEschaton]

Sent - you sent me 10 hardened elementium for some reason, but it was only 5, so I sent those back too.

Thought you were just gonna take it casual and run dungeons? :P That's an expensive weapon to lay down on a hunter alt.

Edited to add: P.S. your old guild, Casual, is 3/7 heroic, 4th on the server. LOL.

[g++]

I am, the gun cost 5k I have like 60k left over. Just wanted to see the difference

Plus I did vortex pinnacle last night and the gun didnt drop and the item level difference will unlock zg/za for me.

[Liagala]

FYI Wayne - don't make that 365 weapon for Laethe quite yet. That's the one where they nerfed the speed and didn't tell anyone. It's a 3.5 speed weapon now, which destroys a lot of the other benefits to it. Rennoc says he thinks that Hidon switched his Akirus the Worm Breaker (normal, not heroic) for it and lost dps on the Alysrazor fight. I'd ask Hidon before throwing the mats into it.

[TheEschaton]

^^ That is true. When Hidon put in a ticket about the deceptive tooltip, he was told that he should keep up with announced bugs/typos/etc on the forums, and that they wouldn't refund him the mats of the sword.

Of course, the next week, the heroic axe off Shannox dropped and he race changed to orc. Has he (Laethe) got that axe yet?

[Some Rogue]

^^ That is true. When Hidon put in a ticket about the deceptive tooltip, he was told that he should keep up with announced bugs/typos/etc on the forums, and that they wouldn't refund him the mats of the sword.

Too bad it wasn't announced for awhile after a player who was doing testing on the weapon discovered the bug.



Of course, the next week, the heroic axe off Shannox dropped and he race changed to orc. Has he (Laethe) got that axe yet?

No

[AnticorRifling]

Yeah shannox is a shit bird and keeps dropping the same two/three things over and over:

str neck
plate healing bracers
cloth feet

[Liagala]

As announced in the ‘Firelands Raid Changes Incoming’ blog post ( http://us.battle.net/wow/en/blog/349...ming-9_12_2011 ), we’ll be making the below hotfixes which have gone into effect during today's raid reset.

Normal difficulty
•Shannox, Beth’tilac, Rhyolith - health and damage reduced by 15%.
•Other bosses - health and damage reduced by 25%.
•All adds’ health and damage have been reduced in the same proportions as bosses.
•Hellhounds and Unstable Magma deal much less damage.
•Alysrazor’s Fiery Tornados move slower.
•The Wings of Flame buff duration on Alysrazor is now uniformly 30 seconds.
•Alysrazor drops 1 additional feather for 10-player mode and 2 additional feathers for 25-player mode in all cycles.
•Wrath of Ragnaros in Stage 1 now knocks targets up, but not back.

Heroic difficulty
•Boss health and damage reduced by 15% (Heroic Ragnaros' health has not been reduced.)
•All adds’ health and damage have been reduced in the same proportions as bosses. However, Heroic Ragnaros adds have been reduced by 15%.
•The Wings of Flame buff duration on Alysrazor is now uniformly 30 seconds.
•Alysrazor drops 1 additional feather for 10-player mode and 2 additional feathers for 25-player mode in all cycles.

Stay tuned to the 4.2 Hotfixes blog post as these and other live updates are made to the game: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/blog/3019413


Edit: If Laethe is deploying soon, does that mean it's back to just Dachcow and Dora fighting over the two-hander from Shannox?

More Editing: Wayne, you should definitely queue up for the Brewfest boss. This (http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/71332/tremendous-tankard-o-terror/) would go perfectly with your new axe.

[AnticorRifling]

I've got to talk to Laethe and see what his schedule for leaving looks like.

[TheEschaton]

•All adds’ health and damage have been reduced in the same proportions as bosses. However, Heroic Ragnaros adds have been reduced by 15%.

Considering we wipe at the same point in p2 on heroic Rag when the adds come out, this is good news.

The rest is lulz.

What kinda tank you looking to replace Laethe with?

[Some Rogue]

A baddie DK that uses agility weapons.

[AnticorRifling]

Considering we wipe at the same point in p2 on heroic Rag when the adds come out, this is good news.

The rest is lulz.

What kinda tank you looking to replace Laethe with?


I'll probably do it, I don't want to recruit a tank.

[AnticorRifling]

A baddie DK that uses agility weapons.

Weapon, singular. Do the freaking math damnit it's a DPS gain based on top end damage and secondary stats as compared to the 359 str sword I was using. Also I hate all of you.

[Some Rogue]

Do the freaking math ...


Ok Woten, get your journal out and show us..I'll bet there's a 33.33 chance, repeating of course, that you're right. :rofl:

[TheEschaton]

Isn't strength like your best stat by far? Didn't they hotfix agility to not give AP to strength using classes any more? Or was that strength being useful for druids?

[Liagala]

Isn't strength like your best stat by far? Didn't they hotfix agility to not give AP to strength using classes any more? Or was that strength being useful for druids?
You're thinking of strength not being useful for druids... but agility has never given AP to DKs that I know of. Wayne is trying to tell us* that the fact that his new axe has a much greater top-end damage more than makes up for the loss of strength. He says it's actually a dps increase.





















*He's right too, but don't tell him that

[Parkbandit]

Ok Woten, get your journal out and show us..I'll bet there's a 33.33 chance, repeating of course, that you're right. :rofl:

:rofl:

I miss the old school WoW days.

[AnticorRifling]

I fuckin hate all of you and I demand you respect my spreadsheet!

Agility has never been a producing stat for DKs, I'm not AD I understand mechanics FFS. That being said the top end damage + the "green" stats out weigh the loss of str as compared to the ilvl 359 weapon I was using in that slot. It is not a gain as compared to the 365 and no way in shit I'd take it over the 378 str axe.

I'm being trolled, you've got to be trolling me, that's it Cephalopod and his porn 'stache, new main!

[Some Rogue]

I'm being trolled, you've got to be trolling me, that's it Cephalopod and his porn 'stache, new main!

I thought he was baleeted by now...

[AnticorRifling]

Got my ruthless gladiator's bonegrinder and ruthless gladiator relic. Over 4k res now, couple more ruthless armor pieces and I'm going to switch to my PvE DPS trinket.

[Alfster]

I sometimes miss playing wow, but haven't been able to get back into the game at all.

[Parkbandit]

I sometimes miss playing wow, but haven't been able to get back into the game at all.

Yea.. I'm the same way. I'm just playing PS3, SC2, etc... until SWTOR comes out.

[TheEschaton]

I sometimes miss playing wow, but haven't been able to get back into the game at all.

Odd, I sometimes hate WoW, but can't seem to get out of it. Last night was hate-filled.

[Liagala]

Odd, I sometimes hate WoW, but can't seem to get out of it. Last night was hate-filled.
Has Rocktall forgiven you yet?

[TheEschaton]

Haven't even bothered talking to him yet. I just got out of work an hour ago and I'm avoiding going to the post-trial breakdown drinking.

[TheEschaton]

LOL, we got into it tonight. It was kind of hilarious.

After the alt run, everyone normal signed off and it was just a bunch of us group 1 people in there, and Rocktall and I got into it...I had the support of everyone but him, and our pally tank, who has ADD and wants to gear up all his alts to heroic gear levels (which is why he was for our alts raiding on Thursday).

And of course, it started because he called Mike a scumbag for "continually" "ducking out" on the alt raids, even though he came only once, and never even insinuated he might be back....and I had to let him know what Mike thought of him. ;)

He, of course, claims he has the support of the other two officers, but they weren't there to say otherwise. Who was there were our other raiders, who said it didn't make sense for us to move our already scheduled alt run to Thursday and force me to go to it instead of help out group 2.

I'm pretty sure that at this point, he doesn't want me to be an officer any more. ;)

[Parkbandit]

I bet it's Anticor's fault... that guy has a reputation for fucking up guilds.

[Some Rogue]

So group one alts are more important than mains in group 2 unless we can be used to help group one gear those alts...okayyyy.

[Parkbandit]

In related news: SWTOR releases on 12/20/11. Guild name: <Vader Is Our Dad Too>

[AnticorRifling]

LOL, we got into it tonight. It was kind of hilarious.

After the alt run, everyone normal signed off and it was just a bunch of us group 1 people in there, and Rocktall and I got into it...I had the support of everyone but him, and our pally tank, who has ADD and wants to gear up all his alts to heroic gear levels (which is why he was for our alts raiding on Thursday).

And of course, it started because he called Mike a scumbag for "continually" "ducking out" on the alt raids, even though he came only once, and never even insinuated he might be back....and I had to let him know what Mike thought of him. ;)

He, of course, claims he has the support of the other two officers, but they weren't there to say otherwise. Who was there were our other raiders, who said it didn't make sense for us to move our already scheduled alt run to Thursday and force me to go to it instead of help out group 2.

I'm pretty sure that at this point, he doesn't want me to be an officer any more. ;)

He's a douche.

I told him Mike hates playing the mage I guess reading is hard.

[Parkbandit]

Can I get on vent when Mike confronts him? That should be funny.

[g++]

World of Warcraft : Where 30 year old attorneys are routinely pushed around by 22 year old stoners.

Why dont you guys just go casual and be happier.

[Parkbandit]

World of Warcraft : Where 30 year old attorneys are routinely pushed around by 22 year old stoners.

Why dont you guys just go casual and be happier.

We tried that in Rift... casual sucks once you hit cap.

[Some Rogue]

World of Warcraft : Where 30 year old attorneys are routinely pushed around by 22 year old stoners.

Why dont you guys just go casual and be happier.

E is the only one who isn't casual. That's why he's getting raged at and told to go to internet cafe's to raid when his internet goes down and forced to do a bunch of bullshit raids and achievements.

[g++]

Well I mean there are different levels of casual. A 10 man guild that full clears regular once a week could be casual and fun. Thats gonna be the pace I try to set when I get back to wow.

[Some Rogue]

Well I mean there are different levels of casual. A 10 man guild that full clears regular once a week could be casual and fun.

And that is pretty much where group 2 is right now, though we didn't even clear last week after the nerf heh. That's also why I rarely log in to characters in that guild when we're not raiding.

[TheEschaton]

I definitely like the progression raiding, and us pushing realm first H-Ragnaros better than casual raiding. We accomplish more in our 9 hours a week than the rest of the server does in 12-16.

The only sore point is Rocktall's douchiness. When we kill bosses server first or second, there aren't any nerd rage screams of victory, just sighs of relief that we don't have to listen to him rage on that attempt. I think, except for him, we have a rare combination of really good players who would are pretty laid back and recognize that real life > raiding. Except for me, I'm bad.

Also, he isn't a stoner, hell, at this point I'd recommend he smoke some to calm the fuck down. I once half-jokingly suggested in officer chat that he go to anger management, and he flipped out on me in whispers and threatened me with a gkick while Hidon and Sac were laughing about i.

[Parkbandit]

I always liked Hidon.. Sac got a little uptight during raids. I can't imagine having to deal with Rocktall.

[TheEschaton]

Sac still gets a little uptight during raids, but he's a lot more relaxed in 10 mans than he ever was in 25s, and next to Rocktall he looks like a Nobel Peace Prize Laureate.

[AnticorRifling]

And that is pretty much where group 2 is right now, though we didn't even clear last week after the nerf heh. That's also why I rarely log in to characters in that guild when we're not raiding.

Yup. G2 will be better than 70-80% of the wow population but we aren't killing ourselves by any means.

[Some Rogue]

Hidon was always the calmest, most level headed of the group.

[TheEschaton]

Hidon was always the calmest, most level headed of the group.

And he's leaving next month so he can finish his PhD. Awesome.

[AnticorRifling]

Time to get Nutritionist back in the guild and have him take Hidon's officer slot, it just makes sense.

[Some Rogue]

Time to get Nutritionist back in the guild and have him take Hidon's officer slot, it just makes sense.

"Ok guys, let's take a 5 minute bowl break and then come back and forget what we were actually doing"

[TheEschaton]

We had him in the alt run last night. He's 7/7 but didn't remember how any of the fights worked, he refused to use divine hymn, insisting he never trained it, and then left right after he won shoulders off Domo, and would constantly pull shit that wasn't pulled.

All the while insisting PvE is for hacks and is stupid compared to PvP, while he maintains his stellar 1330 3s rating.

[TheEschaton]

Oh, and I won the shoulders initially with a 91 roll, they were given to me, and then he finally rolled, and rolled a 92, and in my liberal soft-heartedness I actually gave them to him.

[AnticorRifling]

That was dumb of you.

Guess we shouldn't show him our arena achieves he'd probably kill himself.

[TheEschaton]

Have you guys been having trouble connecting? I was doing brewfest stuff when the game froze and I've been stuck at the login screen since - although I got in once on my other account.