UGH

[TheEschaton]

So, Wayne, explain the new holy pally we have?

He's geared and has the kingslayer achiev and all that, but how does he fit into our regular 10 mans? I'm sure Dora prefers going ret, but then we need to sit someone else to fit him (new pally) in, plus, one of our healers will need to DPS most of the instance.

[Liagala]

So, Wayne, explain the new holy pally we have?

He's geared and has the kingslayer achiev and all that, but how does he fit into our regular 10 mans? I'm sure Dora prefers going ret, but then we need to sit someone else to fit him (new pally) in, plus, one of our healers will need to DPS most of the instance.

Bueller?

[AnticorRifling]

Oh he's going to be replacing bullchip this week since bullchip is sitting out. I already told him he won't have a perm spot in 10man but he would in our weekly 25. He was cool with that and more than anything just wanted to be in the guild with Maz and his wife.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

So, Wayne, explain the new holy pally we have?

He's geared and has the kingslayer achiev and all that, but how does he fit into our regular 10 mans? I'm sure Dora prefers going ret, but then we need to sit someone else to fit him (new pally) in, plus, one of our healers will need to DPS most of the instance.

You guys only run one ten man? We finally got our guild big enough and geared enough to run an all guild 25 man ICC, and we run three ten mans, and a fourth/fifth ten man for alts. Of course, we are still on Prof Put, but the "a" team ten man group will get him down this week I'm sure, and we've gotten princes nearly down with 2 encounters. I don't think my guild is as hardcore as you guys, but it's still fun (though I'm tired of our disc priest dying all the time on PP - she's our weak spot). If she doesn't die, I think we've got it no problem.

[Some Rogue]

We barely have enough to run one 10 man. If one or two people can't make it, we end up not running at all. Real fun...

This is why I've been leveling alts..again.

[AnticorRifling]

You guys only run one ten man? We finally got our guild big enough and geared enough to run an all guild 25 man ICC, and we run three ten mans, and a fourth/fifth ten man for alts. Of course, we are still on Prof Put, but the "a" team ten man group will get him down this week I'm sure, and we've gotten princes nearly down with 2 encounters. I don't think my guild is as hardcore as you guys, but it's still fun (though I'm tired of our disc priest dying all the time on PP - she's our weak spot). If she doesn't die, I think we've got it no problem. We keep the guild very small. This means we don't have any retards/failboats but it also means if life gets in the way for one or two of us then we don't raid. Personally I kind of like it this way. It's a closer knit group of raiders and we aren't hardcore per say. We all want to do really well and we can get very competative but we only raid Tues/Wed for 10man and Thurs for 25man hosted pug.

[AnticorRifling]

We barely have enough to run one 10 man. If one or two people can't make it, we end up not running at all. Real fun...

This is why I've been leveling alts..again. It's a double edged sword though. Do we recruit? If we do we won't have enough to fill 2x10man for awhile which means people will sit, who sits?

[Some Rogue]

FailDK sits. He's never there anyway. :P

Speaking of the alts though, warrior is now 74, priest is 73 and I am on vacation this week. Should be close to 9 80's this week heh.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

It's a double edged sword though. Do we recruit? If we do we won't have enough to fill 2x10man for awhile which means people will sit, who sits?

That was our problem as we were getting folks geared for 25man and actively recruiting. You don't want to recruit someone in, and then they sit out while we raid - not a good experience.

We have two "friend" guilds we actively raid with, so we could fill out our raids as kind of "half pug / half guild alliance" raids, but it still sucked. Lots of uneasiness as people would be rearranged for best fit into other 10 mans... we lost some continuity, but now we have a good size to do 25, and maintain 3 tens without rearranging folks.

The only real problem we have right now is I run 3 healers and our GM runs 3 tanks, and we HAVE to be on for the 3 tens to go or they have to pug a healer/tank - we are light on heals/tanks. It's great to get to go to every raid I suppose, but frankly I'd rather have a night off now and then where I could just do whatever I wanted.

[AnticorRifling]

FailDK sits. He's never there anyway. :P

Speaking of the alts though, warrior is now 74, priest is 73 and I am on vacation this week. Should be close to 9 80's this week heh.

That's insane. Everytime I log into an alt to lvl it I get about 3 mobs killed and say fuck this back to the DK/druid

[Some Rogue]

I was that way for awhile too but there's not a lot I can do on the paladin or my druid but farm and grind rep or some shit and that's worse than leveling.

[TheEschaton]

yeah, I can't even use frost badges on my druid/priest any more, except to buy offspec gear.

[AnticorRifling]

I was that way for awhile too but there's not a lot I can do on the paladin or my druid but farm and grind rep or some shit and that's worse than leveling. Yeah for some sick reason I like rep grinds.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

yeah, I can't even use frost badges on my druid/priest any more, except to buy offspec gear.

I have 255 frost badges on my druid, waiting to buy the full tier 10 before I upgrade past the full 9.5 tier.

[TheEschaton]

I've got 4pc t10 on both the druid (in feral) and the priest (in shadow).

[Keller]

That's insane. Everytime I log into an alt to lvl it I get about 3 mobs killed and say fuck this back to the DK/druid

The only character I've leveled since Vanilla WoW was Chumae (Rasputen) from 64-70. And then Abicaboose from 70-80.

Bought Abicaboose at 70. Was given Draebo at 80 and Nikau at 70, leveled Nikau from 70-80 botting in AV back before it was nerfed.

I cannot stand leveling. I have no interest in the instant gratification game, I just want to make kids nerd rage in arenas.

[Keller]

I was that way for awhile too but there's not a lot I can do on the paladin or my druid but farm and grind rep or some shit and that's worse than leveling.

Battlegrounds and arenas. DER.

[Some Rogue]

Hate those worse than leveling because of afk botters....like you. :)

I used to enjoy bg's but people just run around and kill shit and don't bother with actually winning so it's not much fun anymore.

[Methais]

Hate those worse than leveling because of afk botters....like you. :)

I used to enjoy bg's but people just run around and kill shit and don't bother with actually winning so it's not much fun anymore.

Killing people is the fun part.

If my team is actually working towards objectives, then I will too. If everyone's standing in mid farming HKs, then I'm not gonna go for the flag only to get zerged with no support.

Trying to get your team to stop farming HKs and go for objectives is pretty much impossible with pugs.

[Keller]

Hate those worse than leveling because of afk botters....like you. :)

I used to enjoy bg's but people just run around and kill shit and don't bother with actually winning so it's not much fun anymore.

When I actually play BGs, I report people immediately. 20 seconds after the gates drop, I announce who is AFK and plead with people to report so we get new (non-AFK) players.

[Keller]

Killing people is the fun part.

If my team is actually working towards objectives, then I will too. If everyone's standing in mid farming HKs, then I'm not gonna go for the flag only to get zerged with no support.

Trying to get your team to stop farming HKs and go for objectives is pretty much impossible with pugs.

Agree.

I tend to just admire the big numbers. Especially on my ele shaman.

[Methais]

When I actually play BGs, I report people immediately. 20 seconds after the gates drop, I announce who is AFK and plead with people to report so we get new (non-AFK) players.

1:50
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNeuW-VS0Dw

[Keller]

1:50
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNeuW-VS0Dw

Exactly.

[Some Rogue]

When I actually play BGs, I report people immediately. 20 seconds after the gates drop, I announce who is AFK and plead with people to report so we get new (non-AFK) players.


Oh, is this a new policy of yours? I mean I did just see you a couple months ago in AB sitting at the starting area until I reported you afk and you got booted.
:club:

[AnticorRifling]

Oh, is this a new policy of yours? I mean I did just see you a couple months ago in AB sitting at the starting area until I reported you afk and you got booted.
:club:

That's not what he's saying.

He's saying when he actually plays them (not bots them) he reports afkers. Probably fully expecting the same to be done to him in return when he's afk.

[Keller]

Oh, is this a new policy of yours? I mean I did just see you a couple months ago in AB sitting at the starting area until I reported you afk and you got booted.
:club:

Not new at all.

When I actually play BGs, I kick the AFK'ers.

When I AFK BGs, I'm not home so I don't really care.

[Methais]

When I AFK BGs, I'm not home so I don't really care.

Do you have a program that auto queues and auto joins BGs or something? Or do you just turn on the bot before heading out the door for a cool 2k honor?

[TheEschaton]

I remember we were going for the Immortal when the black protos were still in the game. We made it to Sapph with no one dying on a boss fight. Then, our raid leader DCed on a Deep Breath. Wouldn't of been a problem had it been anyone but the raid leader, but he was our only holy priest, and the only one who could cast Divine Guardian. LOL, he was the one who pushed us so hard, and he's the reason we didn't get our black protos, we laughed hard about that. He nerd-raged about it too. Practically blamed me for being shadow instead of holy.

-TheE-

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Not new at all.

When I actually play BGs, I kick the AFK'ers.

When I AFK BGs, I'm not home so I don't really care.



It's a bullshit move. I get honor all the time not even trying, why would you ever need to bot honor that way?

[Keller]

Do you have a program that auto queues and auto joins BGs or something? Or do you just turn on the bot before heading out the door for a cool 2k honor?

A macro recorder that queues, joins, and moves. I can get 15-30k/day since the honor changes. If you've got the motivation, you could run as many accounts as your PC could handle. So you could run 10 accounts at the same time for 150-300k honor per day.

[Keller]

It's a bullshit move. I get honor all the time not even trying, why would you ever need to bot honor that way?

Gold for gems/enchants/repairs.

I only leave Org/Dalaran to do VoA. So it's the only way I make gold. It's expensive keeping 4 characters in full current season gear.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Gold for gems/enchants/repairs.

I only leave Org/Dalaran to do VoA. So it's the only way I make gold. It's expensive keeping 4 characters in full current season gear.

I guess it only bothers me because I need the same things and I "earn" mine by being at my computer doing them. Unfortunately you are on par with gold farmers fucking up the economy because you farm honor to get gold, essentially the same thing, though I'm sure on a smaller scale.

I'd say something about you being a lawyer but they have no ethics requirements that I am aware. <--- this sounds like I'm angry and I nearly didn't put it in because I'm not. Just feels like cheating, and honestly, I don't think it's that big a deal. I'm just getting in my lawyer hateraide :)

[The Korean]

Baraga seeks to offer his services for filling out 10-mans if I'm ever on. Sinax too if 10-mans don't happen during the week.

[Keller]

I guess it only bothers me because I need the same things and I "earn" mine by being at my computer doing them. Unfortunately you are on par with gold farmers fucking up the economy because you farm honor to get gold, essentially the same thing, though I'm sure on a smaller scale.

I'd say something about you being a lawyer but they have no ethics requirements that I am aware. <--- this sounds like I'm angry and I nearly didn't put it in because I'm not. Just feels like cheating, and honestly, I don't think it's that big a deal. I'm just getting in my lawyer hateraide :)

I understand.

If it makes you feel any better, I give away gems/gold randomly to people that need it. Usually my arena partners, so I guess it also helps me.

[TheEschaton]

You dirty, dirty lawyer. I hear they teach you how to AFK BG in law school now, and that on your bar applicaiton, you have to promise to farm honor to piss off good, hard working Americans every day, as part of the Chinese communist gold farming agenda.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

You dirty, dirty lawyer. I hear they teach you how to AFK BG in law school now, and that on your bar applicaiton, you have to promise to farm honor to piss off good, hard working Americans every day, as part of the Chinese communist gold farming agenda.

I guess I just have an expectation that lawyers would be more averse to cheating the system. I guess I was wrong :)

[Keller]

You dirty, dirty lawyer. I hear they teach you how to AFK BG in law school now, and that on your bar applicaiton, you have to promise to farm honor to piss off good, hard working Americans every day, as part of the Chinese communist gold farming agenda.

Holy Rockar, comma splice!

But seriously. We're supposed to be lawfully deceitful.

Except my boss is upset with me that I changed, "X sought legal advice, but did not find it. Thus, the need to do Y was not identified" to "X sought legal advice, but the need to do Y was not identified."

He says what I said was "untrue." I think he's a dipshit, and I'm not sure how to go about telling him that.

[Cephalopod]

We should place PC posters with D&D alignments.

Keller is now 'lawful evil'.

[TheEschaton]

Oh man, I did 13.5k dps on a boss fight tonight. It must mean I'm pro as hell. It wasn't a gimmick fight or NOTHING.

[Methais]

I think he's a dipshit, and I'm not sure how to go about telling him that.

http://static.funnyjunk.com/gifs/soccer_kicked_nuts.gif

[AnticorRifling]

Oh man, I did 13.5k dps on a boss fight tonight. It must mean I'm pro as hell. It wasn't a gimmick fight or NOTHING. Yeah it wasn't the gimmick fight of the instance for big DPS numbers at all.....

[Parkbandit]

How did ICC go last night?

[AnticorRifling]

How did ICC go last night?

Started late didn't get into the instance until 9:15p EST. Had a pug healer (RL friend of Deltwo and turns out he was in the hounds at the start of wrath when Matray and Yoko started it back up), also had Maz and his wife who hadn't seen alot of fights. I think Professor took two attempts and blood queen took two attempts other than that very smooth. Including a 5-10min break waiting on me to clear wife aggro we finished 3 wings before 11:30p.

[AnticorRifling]

Also note the trinket off of Lady Deathwhisper...STILL HASNT DROPPED FOR US FUCK THAT HO IN HER HO MOUTH!

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

In our second 25man icc all guild run last night we one shotted first wing, then proceeded to wipe on Festergut. I want to stab people who don't understand the mechanics of that fight. Or any fight FFS. Do some reading, research, wtfever, just don't waste my time.

[AnticorRifling]

How are you doing Fester? Melee group and one ranged collapse group or are you doing a ranged collapse group on either side?

[TheEschaton]

Started late didn't get into the instance until 9:15p EST. Had a pug healer (RL friend of Deltwo and turns out he was in the hounds at the start of wrath when Matray and Yoko started it back up), also had Maz and his wife who hadn't seen alot of fights. I think Professor took two attempts and blood queen took two attempts other than that very smooth. Including a 5-10min break waiting on me to clear wife aggro we finished 3 wings before 11:30p.

Virteus, PB. He has a 5800 GS and puts the heals out like no ones business.

[Methais]

In our second 25man icc all guild run last night we one shotted first wing, then proceeded to wipe on Festergut. I want to stab people who don't understand the mechanics of that fight. Or any fight FFS. Do some reading, research, wtfever, just don't waste my time.

I've found that 90% of the time when I research a fight (reading strats, watching videos, etc.), the group I do the actual fight with does it totally different than everything I watched/read.

Instead of asking, "Does anyone not know this fight?", the group should ask, "Does anyone not know how we do this fight?"

[AnticorRifling]

A better question would be "Who doesn't know the basic mechanics of the fight"? Then it's just applying that knowledge to whatever strat works for the group. Knowing the mechanics and being able to react accordingly is what's important.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Melee on his feet, 8 ranged spread out. When spores come out, we have two lock teleport thingies on the ground that ranged is SUPPOSED to collapse down to the closest to you. It requires awareness of ranged and melee if two pop up in melee. You just go to the closest portal thing.

It's not hard. I've never missed one. Hell, melee doesn't have to do shit EXCEPT watch for two in melee. Even if you fuck up and don't make it to the portal thing, ONE should be out there which everyone could collapse onto...

But NOOOOOO, two pop up in ranged, and they ran into melee. Two pop up in melee, and ranged didn't get onto the spore that WAS out, nor go into melee. I swear to all that is holy they are retarded. And these are normally people I like.

One guy, no kidding, got 3 battle rezs and 1 soulstone in one fight. I kept saying, don't brez him, he doesn't have the spore, after like the 3rd time he died. He was a healer, and on that fight, I just don't see how a healer dies first, second, third, and fourth consecutively, when they are on the feet of Fester.

I voted for /gkick.

[Methais]

Melee on his feet, 8 ranged spread out. When spores come out, we have two lock teleport thingies on the ground that ranged is SUPPOSED to collapse down to the closest to you. It requires awareness of ranged and melee if two pop up in melee. You just go to the closest portal thing.

It's not hard. I've never missed one. Hell, melee doesn't have to do shit EXCEPT watch for two in melee. Even if you fuck up and don't make it to the portal thing, ONE should be out there which everyone could collapse onto...

But NOOOOOO, two pop up in ranged, and they ran into melee. Two pop up in melee, and ranged didn't get onto the spore that WAS out, nor go into melee. I swear to all that is holy they are retarded. And these are normally people I like.

One guy, no kidding, got 3 battle rezs and 1 soulstone in one fight. I kept saying, don't brez him, he doesn't have the spore, after like the 3rd time he died. He was a healer, and on that fight, I just don't see how a healer dies first, second, third, and fourth consecutively, when they are on the feet of Fester.

I voted for /gkick.

This is one reason why I'm glad I just pvp, save for the occasional pug.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I've found that 90% of the time when I research a fight (reading strats, watching videos, etc.), the group I do the actual fight with does it totally different than everything I watched/read.

Instead of asking, "Does anyone not know this fight?", the group should ask, "Does anyone not know how we do this fight?"


A better question would be "Who doesn't know the basic mechanics of the fight"? Then it's just applying that knowledge to whatever strat works for the group. Knowing the mechanics and being able to react accordingly is what's important.

Both great points, but it was a full guild run :( We've all done it on 10, and frankly 25 is not much diff for that fight.

It's amazing the ability of one or two people to fucking wreck a raid sometimes. Don't get me wrong, I am very happy we finally got full guild runs at 25. I've had some horrific 25m pugs (and some great ones, but those are more rare).

[TheEschaton]

So, I was thinking about Sindragosa P3. There's no issue with stacking on the fight, the main issue is with LOSing the boss behind ice blocks. However, I was wondering if anyone knows if you can LOS at range (IE, yo don't have to be right up on the ice block).

The one night we tried Sindragosa, we had problems with the healers being in LOS of the main tank when behind the ice block. The following strat can work provided two things: Sindragosa radiates arcane buffet in a circular fashion, IE an ice block to her SW allows you to stack on the S-SW corner, and that the LOS extends outwards behind the ice block. The following diagram, which I made with my leet skills, illustrates the idea: Ranged and heals LOS the ice block AT range, SW of it, while perpendicular to the tank, so he's always in LOS. Melee still move in to clear stacks, and there'd probably be one raid healer who'd have to run out from outside the ice block and heal the melee occasionally (or even stack with melee and exclusively heal them). TBH, I think it's an easier strat than the piggybacking one you were discussing last night.

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m21/alokpinto/Sindragosa.jpg

[AnticorRifling]

Best pic ever.

[TheEschaton]

BTW, the above strategy involves minimum movement by the tank healers/ranged, once an ice block is up, ranged can adjust to the point that they can no longer cast at the boss, and thus know they are LOSed. Wait for melee/stacks to clear, burst the ice block, continue onto the boss. Obviously the ice block might not get to the same place each time, but ranged should be able to adjust by looking for the spot where they can't hit the boss, and heals can stack with them.

[Parkbandit]

Holy shit.. How did you get a pic of Rennoc?

[AnticorRifling]

Why isn't there some bear in a towel to represent our OT?!

[TheEschaton]

Because sometimes it's Mazorl. :/

[Liagala]

Best pic ever.
^ This

The positioning of healers vs Rennoc wouldn't work though, from what I remember. Rennoc is effectively standing on her head, or just a hair in front of her. If he moves back, so does she. This means that there's a VERY small range (if any at all) where healers can LoS Sindragosa but still reach Rennoc. If I remember right, her hitbox is surprisingly small for a dragon. I don't know if Rennoc can get the distance necessary to make the angles work right.

Why do the last 2 sentences sound like one big "That's what she said" opportunity?

[Some Rogue]

Holy shit.. How did you get a pic of Rennoc?

Only in your and apparently E's fantasies.

Where's the tree with sap running out of it that looks like tears though?

[AnticorRifling]

The win is great with this current banter.

[Parkbandit]

Only in your and apparently E's fantasies.

Where's the tree with sap running out of it that looks like tears though?

:rofl:

Here you go:

http://www.kuvamyynti.info/Crying%20tree.jpg

[Some Rogue]

Oh, that must have been after this one was taken...
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a64/lrenzo2/DeadTree_3-27-03.jpg

[TheEschaton]

^ This

The positioning of healers vs Rennoc wouldn't work though, from what I remember. Rennoc is effectively standing on her head, or just a hair in front of her. If he moves back, so does she. This means that there's a VERY small range (if any at all) where healers can LoS Sindragosa but still reach Rennoc. If I remember right, her hitbox is surprisingly small for a dragon. I don't know if Rennoc can get the distance necessary to make the angles work right.

Why do the last 2 sentences sound like one big "That's what she said" opportunity?

I don't think it matters where Rennoc is in relation to the dragon, as long as the ice block isn't due south of him. IE, if the ice block is south of her neck, and the healers are due south of Rennoc and due SW of the ice block, it should work, providing mystic buffet radiates from her center, not her head (that's the part I'm not sure about).

[Liagala]

I don't think it matters where Rennoc is in relation to the dragon, as long as the ice block isn't due south of him. IE, if the ice block is south of her neck, and the healers are due south of Rennoc and due SW of the ice block, it should work, providing mystic buffet radiates from her center, not her head (that's the part I'm not sure about).
Just looked it up on tankspot, mystic buffet does come from her center. Your strategy is apparently good, because someone else in the tankspot forums was talking about doing it.

Wowhead also has some points about a druid tank and frost resist gear. Polar gear + pally aura + whatever other pieces you can find (Ony ring, Hodir head enchant, cloak enchant, potions, whatever) can get you over 500 frost resist (close to 600, if you really go all out). The druid part comes in on the frost breath debuff - it's a slow, thus removed by switching forms. They recommend a /cast !Dire Bear Form macro, so you don't actually leave bear form. Pally/Warrior tank with Icebane gear is also mentioned. It won't solve all the problems, but it'll help damage be less spiky, letting healers not freak out quite so much.

Edit: :rofl: at dead & crying trees

[TheEschaton]

Apparently I should write for tankspot.

Or plan strategic warfare.

[AnticorRifling]

Or plan strategic warfare. Please don't. I have no desire to learn another language.

[Some Rogue]

Strap bomb to chest, run at enemy while screaming about Jihad...


It would be a short book.

[TheEschaton]

There's also a notable lack of ice blocks to LOS around in our current war zones. Hmmm.

[Alfster]

So the drama settled, some were booted, etc.

Killed the lich king on 10 man, gotten to the final phase in 25 man so far. You sure you're not in for morning raiding TheE?

[Parkbandit]

So the drama settled, some were booted, etc.

Killed the lich king on 10 man, gotten to the final phase in 25 man so far. You sure you're not in for morning raiding TheE?

Didn't you switch back to Dunemaul?

WTF!?

[Methais]

Does anyone on Dunemaul stay put, either server or guild?

[Keller]

Does anyone on Dunemaul stay put, either server or guild?

Cobra Kai Dojo for life.

[TheEschaton]

I've been on Dunemaul since I started, and have been in a total of 2 guilds (HoR -> The Grass is Greener -> HoR).

[Alfster]

Didn't you switch back to Dunemaul?

WTF!?

well work screwed me again and the drama in the guild settled when they booted the drama whores, so i went back

[Parkbandit]

well work screwed me again and the drama in the guild settled when they booted the drama whores, so i went back

So.. 10 days ago when you said you were coming back to Dunemaul because work is putting you on a normal day schedule and I posted this:


Yea right.

Let me guess... in 3 weeks, they will say "In just 3 short weeks, we're bringing you back on days!!"

Sucker. You've been believing that shit for 3 years now.

I was 100% CORRECT?

Yea.. shock.

[Alfster]

yah yah yah

[TheEschaton]

Hit 1550 in my lock/disc comp today, we've gone from 0 to 1550 in about 2 weeks worth of work and 175 games. Well on our way to winning the game. Oh yes.

-TheE-

[Methais]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v234/kubli/1239245837831.gif

[AnticorRifling]

General and Trade chats should be fun today. ZOMG 4/20 blunt dro weed I'm so high!!! Look how cool I am talking about how high I can get, oh shit bong rips, weed, sucking cock, hemp, etc.

[Some Rogue]

/Leave 1
/Leave 2

[Lord Orbstar]

They truly believe they are witty. Allow them their moment in the haze covered sun while the rest of us are at work.

[Liagala]

/Leave 1
/Leave 2

^

I normally find trade chat somewhat entertaining, but I think today will be a little much.

[TheEschaton]

It took me like, 30 seconds to realize what the hell y'all were talking about. Damn.

[Cephalopod]

It took me like, 30 seconds to realize what the hell y'all were talking about. Damn.

http://www.f3coalition.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/obama-smoking-weed.jpg

[Some Rogue]

So, we're extending the raid lock tonight right??

[AnticorRifling]

Are we?

I guess we'll need to ask that question when everyone is on tonight.

I'm for it either way.

[Some Rogue]

I'm for it either way.

I bet you say that a lot...

:scared:

[AnticorRifling]

I hope you say that a lot...

:scared:

Yikes.

[Some Rogue]

Stop projecting your love of dudes onto me.


/PB

[Parkbandit]

Leave it to Some Rogue to gay up a thread.

As far as lockout goes.. matters not to me. I'll be there tonight to clean up your fail from last week.. or we can start new.

[Methais]

General and Trade chats should be fun today. ZOMG 4/20 blunt dro weed I'm so high!!! Look how cool I am talking about how high I can get, oh shit bong rips, weed, sucking cock, hemp, etc.

Is that really all that much different from the other 364 days of the year though?

At best, there will probably just be slightly less "I R LEET RAIDER LOOK AT MY LINKED EPIX LFM 5 MAN HEROICS 5K+ GS OR GTFO!!!!!1" going on and slightly more weed chat.

[TheEschaton]

I'm for extending the lockout. Do Valithria real quick, then put in some work on Sindragosa and LK.

If we extend, does that mean I come on my priest instead of my druid?

Edit: IE, if the lockout is extended, does my priest get saved to that even if he doesn't come?

[AnticorRifling]

I'm for extending the lockout. Do Valithria real quick, then put in some work on Sindragosa and LK.

If we extend, does that mean I come on my priest instead of my druid?

Edit: IE, if the lockout is extended, does my priest get saved to that even if he doesn't come?

Shouldn't get saved unless you zone in and click accept to being saved to a raid already in progress.

[AnticorRifling]

Is that really all that much different from the other 364 days of the year though?

At best, there will probably just be slightly less "I R LEET RAIDER LOOK AT MY LINKED EPIX LFM 5 MAN HEROICS 5K+ GS OR GTFO!!!!!1" going on and slightly more weed chat. 5k for heroics? Bitches don't get carried 5.5k or GTFO!

[Parkbandit]

I'm for extending the lockout. Do Valithria real quick, then put in some work on Sindragosa and LK.

If we extend, does that mean I come on my priest instead of my druid?

Edit: IE, if the lockout is extended, does my priest get saved to that even if he doesn't come?

No.. And no.

[Liagala]

Can we start running world of logs, or some related thing during raids? I don't always remember to check recount after every fight, and where I switch between dps and healing a lot, overall data isn't particularly useful either. Being able to go back and see what went wrong (or right) and when would be pretty nifty.

[Trouble]

Can we start running world of logs, or some related thing during raids? I don't always remember to check recount after every fight, and where I switch between dps and healing a lot, overall data isn't particularly useful either. Being able to go back and see what went wrong (or right) and when would be pretty nifty.
You can do it yourself, just enable combat logging (or get a mod that does it for you, like Loggerhead), create an account on WoL (can use a fake guild name if you like), then upload the logs.

[Liagala]

You can do it yourself, just enable combat logging (or get a mod that does it for you, like Loggerhead), create an account on WoL (can use a fake guild name if you like), then upload the logs.

A friend that runs it says it lags him out sometimes. Where my connection isn't always the best, I was sort of hoping someone else would volunteer.

[Trouble]

A friend that runs it says it lags him out sometimes. Where my connection isn't always the best, I was sort of hoping someone else would volunteer.
Oh, I see what you're talking about, he's probably running the real-time WoL thingy. If you do the log method it shouldn't lag you out at all since the processing is done after the raid. I never noticed any lag when I was doing it via the logging method.

You could always try it in a pug VoA or whatever and see if it affects you.

[Parkbandit]

Can we start running world of logs, or some related thing during raids? I don't always remember to check recount after every fight, and where I switch between dps and healing a lot, overall data isn't particularly useful either. Being able to go back and see what went wrong (or right) and when would be pretty nifty.

I nominate you to run it.

Congratulations on your new title of "Stat Bitch"

PS - If there is a subscription we need to carry, let me know and I'll set it up for you to use.

[Lulfas]

Oh, I see what you're talking about, he's probably running the real-time WoL thingy. If you do the log method it shouldn't lag you out at all since the processing is done after the raid. I never noticed any lag when I was doing it via the logging method.

You could always try it in a pug VoA or whatever and see if it affects you.

To properly collect data for WoL, you need to extend the combat log area, and turn it to accept ALL combat changes in the distance. Eats some people's computers up.

Also, get Loggerhead. It's an awesome program to help with logging (notably, it turns itself on/off depending on the zone you're in.)

[AnticorRifling]

Dropped Sindragosa last night. We got that one figured out and the kill shot was executed very smoothly.

Lich King will take some work but I think we've got a good plan of attack for our next look at him. We had way too much confusion last night and Arg, myself, Deltwo, Chain, and .... maybe a few others talked about it afterwards and I think we know what to do to properly get us where we need to be for the kill shot on him.

All and all good night last night, killed a new boss and got a look at LK.

[Some Rogue]

Deltwo? L-O-L

[AnticorRifling]

Deltwo? L-O-L I'll let Arg tell you how he was actually right.

[Drisco]

4/12 25HM

Blood Queen and Saurfang got to 5% each after a few attempts we just did it reg to move on. We could of had it with some better DPS but we for some reason took 4 scrubs doing 5-6k DPS.

I hate when we test out people. It wastes everyone's time. I wish we would test people out on 10 ToGC or something. You can't really test performance in 25mans anyways.

[Some Rogue]

I'll let Arg tell you how he was actually right.

About being afk a lot and having vent on mute and screaming for DI's all the time? Ok

Part of what he said on the strat is right but not all of it.

[AnticorRifling]

I never heard him scream, hell I've got him at 800% and can barely hear him. You I couldn't hear at all last nightit was just rabble rabble rabble rabble whenever you were talking. I'm pretty sure you left your mic in your car.

[Some Rogue]

Scream was a figure of speech. He kept whispering to Dora about it. Mine was probably my fan running hehe.

I need to adjust everyone else, half the people I can't hear, the other half I have to turn down to 10%. And then there's PB who sounds like he's in a bunker somewhere calling in air strikes.

[TheEschaton]

I think one thing we didn't account for was Plague Siphon, every time plague jumps, whether dispelled or killed, it increases the dmg LK does by 2%. If you have three plagues on players, like we did last night, that's 6%. Supposedly, more than 15-20 jumps becomes unbearable for the MT. Also, LK summons the horror in front of him. Every vid I saw had him where you are, facing him inwards so the horror spawns in the center, with ranged spread around the circle and moving in to me/horrors on plague. A new picture is forthcoming. I looked at the Blood Legion world first kill specifically in re: positioning.

P.S. I want Scramby back, Deltwo irks me - he's simultaneously lazy and inattentive, and cocky/arrogant.

[Keller]

P.S. I want Scramby back, Deltwo irks me - he's simultaneously lazy and inattentive, and cocky/arrogant.

Or you could just snag Dr. Aebo.

[AnticorRifling]

WTF is a Dr. Aebo?

[Keller]

WTF is a Dr. Aebo?

ELEMENTAL SHAMAN OF DOOOOOOOOOOM.

Pew pew pew pew pew pew pew!

[AnticorRifling]

Oh dur, draebo...got it. I'm retarded.

You can't tranq shot or MD l2b useful.

[Parkbandit]

I need to adjust everyone else, half the people I can't hear, the other half I have to turn down to 10%. And then there's PB who sounds like he's in a bunker somewhere calling in air strikes.

I'm in The Man Cave!!! Does that mean I'm too loud or too quiet? I think it's on your end.. Since Dora said I sound magnificent.

[Trouble]

Scream was a figure of speech. He kept whispering to Dora about it. Mine was probably my fan running hehe.

I need to adjust everyone else, half the people I can't hear, the other half I have to turn down to 10%. And then there's PB who sounds like he's in a bunker somewhere calling in air strikes.
There're some settings you can make that attempts to normalize all input for Vent. I use it and it works pretty well in most cases. I'll see if I can find the link.

[Parkbandit]

I think one thing we didn't account for was Plague Siphon, every time plague jumps, whether dispelled or killed, it increases the dmg LK does by 2%. If you have three plagues on players, like we did last night, that's 6%. Supposedly, more than 15-20 jumps becomes unbearable for the MT. Also, LK summons the horror in front of him. Every vid I saw had him where you are, facing him inwards so the horror spawns in the center, with ranged spread around the circle and moving in to me/horrors on plague. A new picture is forthcoming. I looked at the Blood Legion world first kill specifically in re: positioning.

P.S. I want Scramby back, Deltwo irks me - he's simultaneously lazy and inattentive, and cocky/arrogant.

Wasn't he first overall in damage and third in healing? I hate how often he is afk, but I didn't take him as cockie last night... wasn't he right regarding the whores... I mean Horrors...

[Some Rogue]

I think one thing we didn't account for was Plague Siphon, every time plague jumps, whether dispelled or killed, it increases the dmg LK does by 2%. If you have three plagues on players, like we did last night, that's 6%. Supposedly, more than 15-20 jumps becomes unbearable for the MT. Also, LK summons the horror in front of him. Every vid I saw had him where you are, facing him inwards so the horror spawns in the center, with ranged spread around the circle and moving in to me/horrors on plague. A new picture is forthcoming. I looked at the Blood Legion world first kill specifically in re: positioning.

P.S. I want Scramby back, Deltwo irks me - he's simultaneously lazy and inattentive, and cocky/arrogant.

Agree about Scramby for the same reason. I was gonna make a pic too beacuse I read about that with the LK and turning him around.

[Some Rogue]

I'm in The Man Cave!!! Does that mean I'm too loud or too quiet? I think it's on your end.. Since Dora said I sound magnificent.

You're quiet and you echo a lot.

[Liagala]

Dora said I sound magnificent.

... for someone so ancient. Context is important.

[Some Rogue]

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a64/lrenzo2/LK.jpg

[Parkbandit]

... for someone so ancient. Context is important.

H8U

[Liagala]

picture

You included Cinnamon Bear, and I see Paperpotty taking a dirt nap in with the ranged/healers. Good diagram!

[TheEschaton]

He was first on DPS, but I don't think Scramby would be a drop off, if any.

He just doesn't work well with our raid, it's like fitting in a square peg into a round hole. Read: I don't like him all that much, and when he tells me what to do I nerdrage. He's like OMG I'VE BEEN FURTHER THAN YOU, but guess what, getting to 26% on lich king isn't all that much better.

-TheE-

P.S. The world first video killed the adds, but there's so much conflicting info, IE, different ways to do it.

[Liagala]

He's like OMG I'VE BEEN FURTHER THAN YOU

When Rennoc and I switched to Hounds, Sundesmos was further along. Need I say more?

[Some Rogue]

He just doesn't work well with our raid, it's like fitting in a square peg into a round hole. Read: I don't like him all that much, and when he tells me what to do I nerdrage. He's like OMG I'VE BEEN FURTHER THAN YOU, but guess what, getting to 26% on lich king isn't all that much better.

-TheE-

P.S. The world first video killed the adds, but there's so much conflicting info, IE, different ways to do it.

Haha, I just kept thinking...SHOW ME YOUR KINGSLAYER TITLE THEN.

There is a lot of conflicting info, but it seems to me the general consensus is starting to be to not kill the ghouls and only have the OT pick up the first wave or so. If you have one horror, a ghoul on you is fine, if you have have two horrors, all the ghouls should be on me.

[AnticorRifling]

Well up until 10pm(ish) he had more boss kills than we did lol.

[Some Rogue]

Well up until 10pm(ish) he had more boss kills than we did lol.

He's giving you and PB sexual favors isn't he?

[Parkbandit]

He was first on DPS, but I don't think Scramby would be a drop off, if any.

He just doesn't work well with our raid, it's like fitting in a square peg into a round hole. Read: I don't like him all that much, and when he tells me what to do I nerdrage. He's like OMG I'VE BEEN FURTHER THAN YOU, but guess what, getting to 26% on lich king isn't all that much better.

-TheE-

P.S. The world first video killed the adds, but there's so much conflicting info, IE, different ways to do it.

He was also 3rd in healing.. Which made our job easier. Don't get me wrong... Scramby is one of my favorite people in the guild and we need to get him in our raids... but I didn't see Deltwo as arrogantly telling you what to do.. More offering a suggestion (which turned out to be correct) on how he has done the LK fight.

[Liagala]

He was also 3rd in healing.. Which made our job easier. Don't get me wrong... Scramby is one of my favorite people in the guild and we need to get him in our raids... but I didn't see Deltwo as arrogantly telling you what to do.. More offering a suggestion (which turned out to be correct) on how he has done the LK fight.

A lot of it for me is the AFK thing. We're all here doing our best, paying attention, working out strats, etc... while he goes afk, comes back, and says "Oh, we did this before, kthx." Maybe he just doesn't give a shit. Maybe he really is that incredibly awesome, and can make us all look retarded with one hand tied behind his back. Either way, it's annoying. If he could at least pretend to care between attempts, that would be cool.

[Drisco]

Kick is hiss out imo. Then make threads on the server wow forums about how douchy he is.

[Liagala]

Kick is hiss out imo. Then make threads on the server wow forums about how douchy he is.

Deltwo? He's only annoying in progression raids. He's actually pretty entertaining in just guild chat or 25-man easy stuff.

Edit: Nvm. I thought you said THEY make threads about him, meaning all kinds of other people think he's a douche. i r dum.

[AnticorRifling]

I might be a touch late for the 25man tonight. Save me a spot so I can get my blood!

The brother and I are going to pick up some lumber and what not for a garden project the wife wants built.

[TheEschaton]

I'm not around tonight either. I'm waitingi n my apartment right now for my friend, and we're going to the 1st round of the NFL draft, YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY.

If we (the Bills) draft Jimmy Clausen, I might puke and then die inside.

[Keller]

I'm not around tonight either. I'm waitingi n my apartment right now for my friend, and we're going to the 1st round of the NFL draft, YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY.

If we (the Bills) draft Jimmy Clausen, I might puke and then die inside.

The second coming of Jim Kelly.

[Parkbandit]

Bah.. I'm going to be real late as well.

[4a6c1]

Soo....where should I go so that I dont get killed by people every 5 minutes because Hillbrad Foothills I am always dead or retreiving my pathetic newb corpse.

There is actually a guild of ?? people called Gankers of Hillsbrad. Yeah...They make me sad.

Also. FINALLY 30 OMG. :spaz:

[Parkbandit]

Soo....where should I go so that I dont get killed by people every 5 minutes because Hillbrad Foothills I am always dead or retreiving my pathetic newb corpse.

There is actually a guild of ?? people called Gankers of Hillsbrad. Yeah...They make me sad.

Also. FINALLY 30 OMG. :spaz:

You are on a pvp server.. so get used to it. If you get ganked again by a bunch of ??... the best thing to do is ask in Guild channel... I know the Bullchip will answer your call if I'm not raiding.

PS - The ring inside the Wintergrasp Fortress is THE best place for PVP when the Alliance own the Keep. Period.

[4a6c1]

PS - The ring inside the Wintergrasp Fortress is THE best place for PVP when the Alliance own the Keep. Period.

Are you typing chinese? I honestly have no idea what this means. I'm trying to level quickly. Does Pvp help you level? Was this even directed at me? Where is Wintergrasp Fortress and who do I grasp to get in?

[TheEschaton]

Wintergrasp is nothing to be concerned about til 80.

Being on a PvP server means that any neutral zone (Hillsbrad is typically the first that most Horde characters quest in, as the Barrens is a Horde zone) is a free for all, you can attack on sight and be attacked on sight. The only thing you can do is hope they get bored, ask for help, or so on, so forth.

It also probably doesn't help that you're in the Hounds of Rexxar, and people are probably trying to provoke you into calling in the calvary.

Which you should do, by the way, because we will roll Hillsbrad and make SS our spitoon.

[Kyra231]

Soo....where should I go so that I dont get killed by people every 5 minutes because Hillbrad Foothills I am always dead or retreiving my pathetic newb corpse.

There is actually a guild of ?? people called Gankers of Hillsbrad. Yeah...They make me sad.

Also. FINALLY 30 OMG. :spaz:

Ah fuck that zone(and STV too) unless it's daytime hours during the week when the kiddies are at school, especially if you're just trying to ding 80 asap & don't feel like spending 3 hours corpse hopping.

At 30 hit up Arathi Highlands, Desolace or the eastern end of Thousand Needles(wtf is it called...white sands or something?).

[AestheticDeath]

If your tank/healer leveling via random dungeons is the best way. You get fully outfitted in blues rather quickly, and the exp is usually fairly fast.

DPS can do it too, but I usually wind up grinding/questing while in queue, whereas my tank/healer sits in town next to the repair guy, or the class trainer.

[Stanley Burrell]

First 24 posts of this thread = awesome.

Everything else = homo.

[Trouble]

Do you guys do an alt/scrub night? If so, which nights? I'm thinking of coming back to Dunelawl for a bit. My old ICC 10/25 groups never made it past Festergut so my gear blows. I have around 5200 GS on Moocifer and around 4900 on Diemore (he has a lot of resil gear though).

[Some Rogue]

Do you guys do an alt/scrub night? If so, which nights? I'm thinking of coming back to Dunelawl for a bit. My old ICC 10/25 groups never made it past Festergut so my gear blows. I have around 5200 GS on Moocifer and around 4900 on Diemore (he has a lot of resil gear though).

It's funny you ask, I think we're gonna start one tonight/this weekend sometime.

[Alfster]

Haha, I just kept thinking...SHOW ME YOUR KINGSLAYER TITLE THEN.

There is a lot of conflicting info, but it seems to me the general consensus is starting to be to not kill the ghouls and only have the OT pick up the first wave or so. If you have one horror, a ghoul on you is fine, if you have have two horrors, all the ghouls should be on me.

What were you guys trying to do? We've had our off tank take all of the adds in phase 1.

[Parkbandit]

Do you guys do an alt/scrub night? If so, which nights? I'm thinking of coming back to Dunelawl for a bit. My old ICC 10/25 groups never made it past Festergut so my gear blows. I have around 5200 GS on Moocifer and around 4900 on Diemore (he has a lot of resil gear though).

DO IT!

[Parkbandit]

Are you typing chinese? I honestly have no idea what this means. I'm trying to level quickly. Does Pvp help you level? Was this even directed at me? Where is Wintergrasp Fortress and who do I grasp to get in?

sorry, no that wasn't for you. I was still laughing about the blast 4 of us had inside Wintergrasp while the Alliance had "control" of it.

When you are getting ganked and camped.. Send out the call on guild. There are many people that will come kick alliance ass.

[TheEschaton]

Do you guys do an alt/scrub night? If so, which nights? I'm thinking of coming back to Dunelawl for a bit. My old ICC 10/25 groups never made it past Festergut so my gear blows. I have around 5200 GS on Moocifer and around 4900 on Diemore (he has a lot of resil gear though).

We've finally got enough people in the guild that we're starting an "alt" run of ICC10 tonight. I put alt in quotes because my spriest has a 5600+ GS, our hunter is going cause he missed the regular run this week, one of our tanks is 5800+, the other is an alt of one of our regulars, plus a 5800 holy pally and 5800 ele shaman. Should be good times.

-TheE-

[Nieninque]

What time? I wanna come!

[TheEschaton]

10 EST, so 3 AM your time, lol.

[Parkbandit]

We've finally got enough people in the guild that we're starting an "alt" run of ICC10 tonight. I put alt in quotes because my spriest has a 5600+ GS, our hunter is going cause he missed the regular run this week, one of our tanks is 5800+, the other is an alt of one of our regulars, plus a 5800 holy pally and 5800 ele shaman. Should be good times.

-TheE-

Thanks for including Falgrin in the "PRO" category. You are wise.

I should bring my priest.. so you could take notes on how to heal ICC properly.. but I'm tired of not seeing any bosses and just looking at healing bars.

[TheEschaton]

Do you have a 5k+ GS alt you wanna bring? I don't mind carrying people to some extent, but below 5k is just sick.

[Parkbandit]

10 EST, so 3 AM your time, lol.

Is that 9EDT then? Because 9 would be > 10... as 10 sucks because it's late.

[Parkbandit]

Do you have a 5k+ GS alt you wanna bring? I don't mind carrying people to some extent, but below 5k is just sick.

I think I've carried you in ICC from the beginning.. so if you had to carry my 4800 gs hunter, you will do it and like it.

Bitch.

[TheEschaton]

Dach, Virt, and Zemm can't make it til 10.

[Some Rogue]

I can go on one of my many alts. Heals on the druid or dps on the mage maybe.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Getting a 5200+ GS is cake today. You can do it with Triumph badges alone I think.

[Parkbandit]

Dach, Virt, and Zemm can't make it til 10.

So how many do we have?

Virt - Paladin healer
Zemm - Shaman DPS
Scramby - Hunter DPS
Opositive - Warrior Tank
Anticor - Druid healer
Falgrin - Hunter DPS
Stevejobs - Paladin Tank
Arguendo - Priest DPS
Jamala - Mage DPS or Druid healer

Alt - DPS or Healer

[Keller]

I can bring Dr. Aebo. He can bring the ele shaman PEW PEW!

[TheEschaton]

Mazorl actually should be coming, so Mazorl and Stevejobs can tank.

So far I have:
Tanks: Steve and Maz
Hybrid DPS/heals: Arguendo
Heals: Virteus, TBD (mebbe Anticor?)

DPS: Opositive, Scramby, Zemm, then alts of PB and Nekk afaik. That leaves us with one real geared tank, one decently geared tank (5.2k+ iirc), three dps over 5.6k GS including me, a pretty pro healer....so we got enough win in all three categories to carry some of the lesser geared toons. Seems like we're full.

[Parkbandit]

Virt is a good healer.. but not sure he and Anticor can only 2 heal it. Might need a 3rd.

[TheEschaton]

And if one of the DPS can't make it, I believe Majin, who is like 5600+ ret wants in, iirc.

[4a6c1]

Which you should do, by the way, because we will roll Hillsbrad and make SS our spitoon.

Thanks for the explanations and I will most def do this. I keep forgetting I'm in a gang. WE WILL KIDNAP THE FAMILY AND TORTURE THE PETS. Or we can spitoon Southshore...whatever's easiest.



Ah fuck that zone(and STV too) unless it's daytime hours during the week when the kiddies are at school, especially if you're just trying to ding 80 asap & don't feel like spending 3 hours corpse hopping.

At 30 hit up Arathi Highlands, Desolace or the eastern end of Thousand Needles(wtf is it called...white sands or something?).

YES. Some weeks I get like...an hour to play. Some weeks I spend my entire hour dead/camped. :-/

I'm going to Thousand Needles when I get a chance. I'm hoping the proximity to so much Horde territory will make for a little less corpse time. I tried Arathi and it seemed equally swamped by Alliance toons. I will try Desolace if TN is just as difficult. Thanks. :)

[Some Rogue]

Wasn't that other new guy (tank) going this week? I thought he was the one organizing it. The name escapes me at the moment.

[TheEschaton]

We have a new tank?

[Some Rogue]

He wasn't a raider or anything, just knew someone I thought.

[TheEschaton]

Are you talking about Majinpachi? He's ret, MS.

[Some Rogue]

Summerz

[Nieninque]

So how many do we have?

Virt - Paladin healer
Zemm - Shaman DPS
Scramby - Hunter DPS
Opositive - Warrior Tank
Anticor - Druid healer
Falgrin - Hunter DPS
Stevejobs - Paladin Tank
Arguendo - Priest DPS
Jamala - Mage DPS or Druid healer

Alt - DPS or Healer

I think you missed my name off the list

[Parkbandit]

I think you missed my name off the list

I thought this:


10 EST, so 3 AM your time, lol.

would have changed your mind... no?

[Nieninque]

Maybe, maybe not

[Some Rogue]

If you're around and there's no open spots, you can have mine. I don't really need to go again.

[TheEschaton]

Oh yeah, LK might be a guild killer.

The whole listening to music/I'm a grindcore punk thing pisses me off, especially when it distract people from realizing they have plague on them and need to run in. Grrrrr.

[Some Rogue]

Oh yeah, LK might be a guild killer.

The whole listening to music/I'm a grindcore punk thing pisses me off, especially when it distract people from realizing they have plague on them and need to run in. Grrrrr.

Or I'm a lock that doesn't bring shards to raids or I can't manage my aggro..derp derp.

[TheEschaton]

managing aggro with 4 dots can be a pain, but yeah, no excuse for not having shards to shatter with.

[Some Rogue]

He wasn't the only one who had aggro issues though.

[Parkbandit]

LK won't be a guild killer... we just have to have people actually prepared to raid and prepared to listen to instructions.

[Liagala]

... and prepared to not use the microwave.

In related news, that healing thing needs a little work. I tried (for a very short time) mostly ignoring healing and just worrying about cleanse, and that didn't work very well. I've got a pretty good balance down now between the two, until it's time to move. If we have to move during an infest though, things fall apart fast. I have very limited healing on the run, and what little I can do gets passed between cleansing, getting infest off myself, and tanks. I'm pretty sure that most of Chaincreep's healing is stationary too, so almost all of the work gets thrown on Bullchip. That's a lot for one tree to keep up with, we end up with 4 bodies on the floor at once.

Ideas:
DPS saves their healthstones for that time. The instant infest hits during a move, they use them (this may require shutting the music off). That will bring some of them back over 90% and safety, and give the others a little breathing room.

Chaincreep and I stagger movement. We both stand as close to that line as we can during transition and not get hit by LK's AoE thing. When he stops, we both run and get just barely far enough in to not fall when the floor drops. Then one stops to throw off some heals while the other gets in position. Switch and let the other run. I think he and I are going to need to be a lot more aware of where the other is through the whole fight, so we can minimize the time when we're both on the run at once.

[Parkbandit]

... and prepared to not use the microwave.

In related news, that healing thing needs a little work. I tried (for a very short time) mostly ignoring healing and just worrying about cleanse, and that didn't work very well. I've got a pretty good balance down now between the two, until it's time to move. If we have to move during an infest though, things fall apart fast. I have very limited healing on the run, and what little I can do gets passed between cleansing, getting infest off myself, and tanks. I'm pretty sure that most of Chaincreep's healing is stationary too, so almost all of the work gets thrown on Bullchip. That's a lot for one tree to keep up with, we end up with 4 bodies on the floor at once.

Ideas:
DPS saves their healthstones for that time. The instant infest hits during a move, they use them (this may require shutting the music off). That will bring some of them back over 90% and safety, and give the others a little breathing room.

Chaincreep and I stagger movement. We both stand as close to that line as we can during transition and not get hit by LK's AoE thing. When he stops, we both run and get just barely far enough in to not fall when the floor drops. Then one stops to throw off some heals while the other gets in position. Switch and let the other run. I think he and I are going to need to be a lot more aware of where the other is through the whole fight, so we can minimize the time when we're both on the run at once.

Druids heal by HoTs.. so asking one to heal up a 10 member party to full is impossible. I don't know what Chaincreep was complaining about with his "I healed 'my group' up" but it made zero sense. I heal everyone and roll hots. Typically, my top 3 heals are Rejuv, Regrowth and Wild Growth. In that fight, Nourish was my #2 heal... not exactly a good druid task.

This is just one of those fights where you actually need big heal bursts that Paladins/Priests are good at.

[Liagala]

Druids heal by HoTs.. so asking one to heal up a 10 member party to full is impossible. I don't know what Chaincreep was complaining about with his "I healed 'my group' up" but it made zero sense. I heal everyone and roll hots. Typically, my top 3 heals are Rejuv, Regrowth and Wild Growth. In that fight, Nourish was my #2 heal... not exactly a good druid task.

This is just one of those fights where you actually need big heal bursts that Paladins/Priests are good at.

Yeah, I'm not sure what the "my group" stuff was either. I picked targets by who needed the most healing, and had the least coming in already.

[Keller]

He wasn't the only one who had aggro issues though.

If the DPS are having aggro issues, I usually blame the tank.

[Keller]

Yeah, I'm not sure what the "my group" stuff was either. I picked targets by who needed the most healing, and had the least coming in already.

You guys could invite Nightwish. She knows how to Prayer of Healing her group.

But then you'd have to take away Monkey's snowballs.

[Parkbandit]

If the DPS are having aggro issues, I usually blame the tank.

It's not the tank when the DPS engages the Lich King before the tank does....

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

We finally downed Festergut and Rotface on 25 last night :)

[Keller]

It's not the tank when the DPS engages the Lich King before the tank does....

Grats Burl?

[Liagala]

You guys could invite Nightwish. She knows how to Prayer of Healing her group.

But then you'd have to take away Monkey's snowballs.

No, his group wasn't his 5-man party group. It was him and the 2 or 3 dps standing on him, in our positioning. In that way, healing "his group" = 1 chain heal.

[Some Rogue]

If the DPS are having aggro issues, I usually blame the tank.

Apparently you've never seen the Lich King fight. ;)

[Keller]

Apparently you've never seen the Lich King fight. ;)

Once you guys have it on farm, I'll be sending in my application. ;)

[AnticorRifling]

Clearly any DPS that isn't doing 14k isn't pulling their weight.

[Liagala]

Clearly any DPS that isn't doing 14k isn't pulling their weight.

I would so kick your ass on thost meters if I could go ret. 25 undead surrounging me, and DS off cooldown every 2 seconds? Yes please.

[Some Rogue]

Hmm, that would really keep the ghoul population down. We need another healer heh.

[Alfster]

how are you guys doing phase 1? Sounds strange to me.

[Some Rogue]

We're still experimenting? lol

[Elsymir]

Finally got Sindragosa in our 25s and now working on LK in 10 and 25. whaddabish.

[Alfster]

I would so kick your ass on thost meters if I could go ret. 25 undead surrounging me, and DS off cooldown every 2 seconds? Yes please.

You guys don't just let the plague kill the ghouls?

[Liagala]

You guys don't just let the plague kill the ghouls?

Every time the plague kills a ghoul, LK gets a 2% damage buff. Strats we read on tankspot said that if that gets too high, the MT can't survive it anymore. So we keep the ghouls mostly hanging around the MT and melee, and just have the OT taunt a couple in the beginning, and the shambling horrors after.

[AnticorRifling]

You guys don't just let the plague kill the ghouls?

We let the plague kill the horrors. Ghouls get man raped by my diseases.

[AnticorRifling]

how are you guys doing phase 1? Sounds strange to me.

Poorly?

Actually no phase 1 we're getting better, we're hitting the transition. It's handling transition and into 2 where we get slipped up.

We had some great looks at the fight and some that were shitty such is raiding. I think we will get him down just practice and tweaking what we're doing when.

[Some Rogue]

I've got some new ideas on this I'll discuss tonight in guild or something.

[Cephalopod]

Actually no phase 1 we're getting better, we're hitting the transition. It's handling transition and into 2 where we get slipped up.


This sounds like labor and childbirth...

[TheEschaton]

I think the staggered movement/healing bit is fine. I suppose I could always get Arg in there, if we can get Maz to come in, but then some other DPS has to sit. Same old same old, in terms of problems. Having 3 druids and 2 paladins just isn't the best synergy for a 10 man.

Mike was talking about how on infest he healed the people he was standign with first, and then moved on - the idea being that if you healed the people next to you pretty immediately, and coordinated it with the healers in the other group (location, not raid wise), you're not pumping overheals into some people and neglecting others. I think his complaint was that he'd toss a chain heal on his group, and then have to move to the people standing with you guys, and he was wondering why Portal and Scramby weren't getting healed in time.

-TheE-

[Liagala]

I think his complaint was that he'd toss a chain heal on his group, and then have to move to the people standing with you guys, and he was wondering why Portal and Scramby weren't getting healed in time.

-TheE-

Because Bullchip and I don't have chain heal, so it takes more than one cast for us to heal our group up? I did myself and tanks, then whoever needed me most. That was usually Portal and Scramby. Sometimes Dachcow. Bullchip, I assume, was tossing HoTs on everyone, which kept them alive long enough for the big heals to get there. Without that, Portal and Scramby probably would have gotten dead.

[TheEschaton]

How much does the infest tick for? I thought a wild growth would cover it, tbh.

[Some Rogue]

The initial hit is 7k I think, the dot I am not sure on but the longer it goes, the more it ticks for.

[Alfster]

Every time the plague kills a ghoul, LK gets a 2% damage buff. Strats we read on tankspot said that if that gets too high, the MT can't survive it anymore. So we keep the ghouls mostly hanging around the MT and melee, and just have the OT taunt a couple in the beginning, and the shambling horrors after.

Fair enough. I've seen a bunch of different ways to get through it, all that really matters is getting through.

Took us a solid 2 hours to get into the valky'r phase without anyone dying. Phase 2 is pretty much easy mode with the buff now, so you guys shouldn't be far off from a kill.

[Alfster]

Sloppiest LK kill ever.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thr95Lv-GMg

[Some Rogue]

We running an alt ICC Friday night?

[oldanforgotten]

all I can say is that heroic 25 man LK can suck my dick. I've never seen a more retardedly tuned fight.

[TheEschaton]

I think there's interest. We're gonna shoot for more unique people, less main 10 man raider alts, but yeah.

[AnticorRifling]

I've got my SE finally. My edong is getting so heavy it's causing back problems.

[Keller]

I think there's interest. We're gonna shoot for more unique people, less main 10 man raider alts, but yeah.

Like Keller?

[Drisco]

Finally I got my Kingslayer Title.

We are 6/12 HM 25 man. Two Shotted Valithria Hard Mode. Only took us two attempts on Blood Queen aswell..

We lost our Top healer (Shaman) due to guild drama. Which I am fucking pissed about because he was such an awesome guy and everything and anything funny in the guild comes out of his mouth...

We have a DOUCHE bag of a Hunter in the guild who thinks he's the best and always makes retarded comments and will NEVER admit to doing something wrong. He'll blame it on everyone else.

So a Heroic Token drops for Hunters and Shamans, we are Loot Council, they give it to a Hunter who has epic gear, great dps, but dies all the time and is fucking annoying, over our top healer who never dies and saves raids for us.

Needless to say they give it to hunter, shaman immediately says emergency I have to go and then writes on the forum saying he's quitting.

fuck.

[Alfster]

Loot council is pretty much the most retarded way to give out loot.

[Some Rogue]

I think there's interest. We're gonna shoot for more unique people, less main 10 man raider alts, but yeah.

So officer alts and the people we've been asking why they were invited to the guild in the first place? :tongue:

[AnticorRifling]

And your mother, don't forget your mother.

[Some Rogue]

And your mother, don't forget your mother.

Oh right, she told me she plays a DK now because anyone can faceroll their way to the top of the meters.

[AnticorRifling]

Well duh, that's why I do it.

[oldanforgotten]

Finally I got my Kingslayer Title.

We are 6/12 HM 25 man. Two Shotted Valithria Hard Mode. Only took us two attempts on Blood Queen aswell..

We lost our Top healer (Shaman) due to guild drama. Which I am fucking pissed about because he was such an awesome guy and everything and anything funny in the guild comes out of his mouth...

We have a DOUCHE bag of a Hunter in the guild who thinks he's the best and always makes retarded comments and will NEVER admit to doing something wrong. He'll blame it on everyone else.

So a Heroic Token drops for Hunters and Shamans, we are Loot Council, they give it to a Hunter who has epic gear, great dps, but dies all the time and is fucking annoying, over our top healer who never dies and saves raids for us.

Needless to say they give it to hunter, shaman immediately says emergency I have to go and then writes on the forum saying he's quitting.

fuck.

This is why loot council is bad.

[Keller]

all I can say is that heroic 25 man LK can suck my dick. I've never seen a more retardedly tuned fight.

I just wanted to let everyone know my guild is on heroic 25-man LK. It makes me want to break laptops and kill household pets, including cats.

[TheEschaton]

Loot council is okay if the people who're the loot council aren't retarded.

[Keller]

Loot council is okay if the people who're the loot council are me.

Fixed.

[Methais]

Blizzard should let all raid gear be purchasable with badges that drop in that instance + achievement for the boss that drops it.

Running the same place 4872302873042 times and watching everything drop except the item you're after is just retarded.

[Liagala]

Blizzard should let all raid gear be purchasable with badges that drop in that instance + achievement for the boss that drops it.

Running the same place 4872302873042 times and watching everything drop except the item you're after is just retarded.

X100. Damn Deathwhisper trinket is pissing me off.

[Me]

I am still waiting on the trinket from BWL. It should drop anytime now.

By the way who is Rennick on the forums I thought I knew but my brain is not working.

LF

[Parkbandit]

I am still waiting on the trinket from BWL. It should drop anytime now.

By the way who is Rennick on the forums I thought I knew but my brain is not working.

LF

Rennick is me... Rennoc (his paladin tank) is SomeRogue

[Some Rogue]

Rennick used to be my character but now belongs to PB. I'm Rennoc.

[Me]

OMG so Stabbers so of all the level 48 priests why were you harrasing me yesterday?

Thats why I was confused I think I remember it being you but you dropped the sig. Heh.

LF

[Parkbandit]

OMG so Stabbers so of all the level 48 priests why were you harrasing me yesterday?

Thats why I was confused I think I remember it being you but you dropped the sig. Heh.

LF

:rofl:

No, that was a friend of mine using Rennick to run his 2 priests through instances.

I hope he wasn't sexual harassing you.. I can speak to his mother regarding his behavior.

[TheEschaton]

So, during maintainance and after my usual morning antics, I decided to watch some 10m hard mode videos. The first wing ones don't seem very hard, except maybe coordinating on Saurfang and a bit on Deathwhisper.


Jumping the gun? Probably, but LK is going down, imo.

[Alfster]

They're not bad at all.

Morrowgar gave us the most trouble, but after making slight changes we got him down after 5ish attempts.

Deathwhisper was much easier than trying to get her achievemnt. (full house)

Gunship, easy.

Saurfang went fairly well. First two attempts tried three healing, moved to two healers and was simple.

Festergut had slightly more movement, but three shot it.

Rotface felt easier on heroic.

Blood princes was gay, we skipped it.

Blood queen was easy.

[Some Rogue]

I was thinking, in the future, instead of us vendoring half the crap, if we start over we should clear lower spire or a little further with our alts then take over on our mains.

[Parkbandit]

With the amount of vendoring we did last night.. I say we simply lock the instance out until LK is down.

[Some Rogue]

That would have been my first choice but I didnt think anyone agreed. Heh

[Parkbandit]

That would have been my first choice but I didnt think anyone agreed. Heh

I personally need nothing from 10 man. I might pick up a boomkin piece here and there.. but most of that gear is from badges (only 1 T10 piece). I think there was what.. 1 piece given as MS (wand to Portal) and most was given as off spec pieces that people aren't even off specced for.

Lock it up.. let's down this bitch already. We should have had him down by now imo. Then we should go and do it heroic mode.

[TheEschaton]

I personally need nothing from 10 man. I might pick up a boomkin piece here and there.. but most of that gear is from badges (only 1 T10 piece). I think there was what.. 1 piece given as MS (wand to Portal) and most was given as off spec pieces that people aren't even off specced for.

Lock it up.. let's down this bitch already. We should have had him down by now imo. Then we should go and do it heroic mode.

This may be the only thing I have ever 100% agreed with you about.

[AnticorRifling]

Fuck you I want my trinket.

[Some Rogue]

You'll roll with your level 200 trinket and like it mister!

[Liagala]

You'll roll with your level 200 trinket and like it mister!

I'm the one with the level 200 trinket. He has better ones. Which is why I'm going to hurt him if he takes my Deathwhisper trinket. Severely.

[oldanforgotten]

They're not bad at all.

Morrowgar gave us the most trouble, but after making slight changes we got him down after 5ish attempts.

Deathwhisper was much easier than trying to get her achievemnt. (full house)

Gunship, easy.

Saurfang went fairly well. First two attempts tried three healing, moved to two healers and was simple.

Festergut had slightly more movement, but three shot it.

Rotface felt easier on heroic.

Blood princes was gay, we skipped it.

Blood queen was easy.

At 15% now, none of them are even remotely difficult outside of LK. Once you learn the changes to the fights, they are cake.

[Liagala]

I have my first final at 8:00 tomorrow morning, and I managed to get about 4 hours of sleep last night. I'll be there for raid tonight if Maz can replace Tort, but I'm ditching somewhere around 10:30-ish.

[Parkbandit]

I won't be on from Thursday through Sunday.. in NY attending a wedding.

[Liagala]

If tonight doesn't work out then, how do people feel about trying again on Monday?

[TheEschaton]

I'll be down for Monday after a weekend of girls crashing at my place. Ugh.

[TheEschaton]

I know that sounded gay. I really have no excuse.

[Keller]

I'll be down for Monday after a weekend of girls crashing at my place. Ugh.

PB and his wife staying with you for the wedding?

[Parkbandit]

PB and his wife staying with you for the wedding?

http://www.themadhat.com/images/fail_20at_20failing.jpg

Actually, TheE will be attending a bachelorette party with his girlfriends.. who somehow don't feel any sexual tension with him around....

[Alfster]

Actually, TheE will be attending a bachelorette party with his girlfriends.. who somehow don't feel any sexual tension with him around....

I do'nt want anyone to miss this gem.

[TheEschaton]

Fucking LOOK AT IT:

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m21/alokpinto/RedDragonhawk.jpg

Now I can go to bed.

[AnticorRifling]

LOL gratz man! 1AM yeah fuck that wasn't staying up that late although it would have gotten me lvl 79.

I still need like 15 mounts.