UGH

[Alfster]

Skada is awesome in general.

[g++]

Are you sure of this? Partway through reading this discussion I looked Recount up on Curse, and the notes say that absobs are not only not included, that they can not be accurately read because of how the combat log is set up. Of course, those notes also say something about patch 2.4, so I'm not sure how accurate they are anymore.

It was like that till about half way through ICC blizzard starting changing the way absorbs work to be flagged heals instead of looking the same as glancing blows in combat logs. About this time me trying to explain that blizzard was changing the way heals were counted was the basis for the infamous conversation where I was explaining to Mike that because of a glitch in their changes warlocks were top heals in my bg recounts and am now made fun of for it lol.

Its pretty easy to prove too. Cast divine light on yourself a few times while a mob is beating on you and open the current fight. Your mastery shield will display in both columns as the same number Healing done will be greater than absorbs and include the mastery shields.

[Loyrl]

Did any of you get the chance to farm uldum on their instant herbs? Our g bank is has a TON of whiptail now.

[Some Rogue]

I farmed for maybe 20 minutes. I think I got around 130.

[Some Rogue]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyQ-7o397Uk

[g++]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyQ-7o397Uk

I didnt even play the game back then but I still think that was amazing.

[g++]

Hes got a few good ones.

http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=wowcrendor&feature=iv&annotation_id=annotation_27572#p/c/1356569F10D695CE/18/bgnMpOU1LNQ

[Parkbandit]

Hes got a few good ones.

http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=wowcrendor&feature=iv&annotation_id=annotation_27572#p/c/1356569F10D695CE/18/bgnMpOU1LNQ

LOL

[Liagala]

Its pretty easy to prove too. Cast divine light on yourself a few times while a mob is beating on you and open the current fight. Your mastery shield will display in both columns as the same number Healing done will be greater than absorbs and include the mastery shields.
I downloaded Skada, and ran both it and Recount while I (lol) healed Rennoc through Chaos Theory. Recount "Healing Done" and Skada "Heals and Absorbs" gave the exact same totals, while Skada "Heals only" was lower. So, yep. Proved. Recount includes absorbs.

[AnticorRifling]

I read somewhere that recount includes absorbs.

[g++]

Always lording over us with your literacy.

[AnticorRifling]

Don't let the serfs see the movable type!

[Some Rogue]

Has anyone seen Kand lately?

[g++]

I think he transfered servers.

Also this one is even better

http://www.youtube.com/user/wowcrendor#p/c/1356569F10D695CE/19/rl1WP1YCiw0

[AnticorRifling]

I think he's playing his warlock.

Also fuck you all for linking youtube videos and photos that aren't on photobucket while I'm at work.

[TheEschaton]

He forgot a character in his heroic breakdown, the super leet, super serious guy. Although I guess the arrogant corpse could fill in, I suppose.

[g++]

Or guy who gives in depth boss explanations for 3 month old content without anyone asking for it.

[AestheticDeath]

I really did get a good chuckle imagining his guild assigning 12 people on heroic halfus to slow one whelp each. It would be very entertaining to watch that stream.

you apparently did not see the part where i told you not to mix wrath and cata content, 3 valks doesnt come close to the same thing as all the parasites in halfus

i dont spend 5 hours on this forum, and at most i might get 6 hours of raiding per week, in a casual guild, not a progressive minded one.

[Liagala]

Are you really a masochist, or what? I know people have said it about you because you keep coming back here, but really? Responding to something from a few weeks ago, when the jokes have already stopped, just so that we start making fun of you again... does not compute. It doesn't help that you mixed up your bosses, either. Parasites are Magmaw.

[g++]

Jesus christ Dora the man did 12k dps to welps in greens do you think he gives a shit what boss hes currently fighting?

[Liagala]

Jesus christ Dora the man did 12k dps to welps in greens do you think he gives a shit what boss hes currently fighting?

You have a bad habit of making me burst out in random, unexplained laughter at work. I'm just glad my boss is in the other room this time - going from "OMG, my neck, blah blah blah" to fits of giggles doesn't exactly seem right.

[Parkbandit]

1). I didn't realize Dora was the last name.
2). I didn't realize Dora was a man, but that does explain many questions about Rennoc.

[Some Rogue]

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm263/aaron_cortez805/i-can-count-to-potato.jpg


We're all so proud of you too.

[AnticorRifling]

120 more saronite ore and I'm done with pre cata mats for my engineer. Then it's on to power leveling his alch.

[weatherman]

I've heard this forum is where many gay men congregate for social stimuli...

I was referred here by Anticor?!?

[AnticorRifling]

Whoever gave Chaincreep the address to the PC is gkicked. That is all.

[TheEschaton]

Weatherman, can you make it rain?!?

[TheEschaton]

P.S. I had a dream last night that the machine apocalypse happened (that's what I get for watching Watson on Jeopardy), and that our 10 man raid banded together to form a real raid. ON THE MACHINES.

[g++]

I've heard this forum is where many gay men congregate for social stimuli...

I was referred here by Anticor?!?

Let the rain begin.

[AnticorRifling]

P.S. I had a dream last night that the machine apocalypse happened (that's what I get for watching Watson on Jeopardy), and that our 10 man raid banded together to form a real raid. ON THE MACHINES.

Did you try to talk them into not hurting us?

Or, since we're talking about a raid did you give us a 45min pep talk about the history of the cathode ray and vaccuum tubes while we all made fun of each other and didn't listen?

[Parkbandit]

I've heard this forum is where many gay men congregate for social stimuli...

I was referred here by Anticor?!?

ZOMG DO U SMOKE POT!? LOAD A BOWL MAN!

[Parkbandit]

Did you try to talk them into not hurting us?

Or, since we're talking about a raid did you give us a 45min pep talk about the history of the cathode ray and vaccuum tubes while we all made fun of each other and didn't listen?

:rofl:

Poor Arguendo :(

[SHAFT]

P.S. I had a dream last night that the machine apocalypse happened (that's what I get for watching Watson on Jeopardy), and that our 10 man raid banded together to form a real raid. ON THE MACHINES.

I had a dream the zombie apocalypse started last night. It started in Florida. I, for some reason, was in Florida at this time.

[Liagala]

Whoever gave Chaincreep the address to the PC is gkicked. That is all.
:whistle:

[Keller]

Watson on Jeopardy

I was talking to my wife Tuesday night as we were walking Watson crush Ken and Brad in double jeopardy. I will repeat what I said there. The competition is not really fair because Watson instantly knows whether it knows the answer or not. In order to have any shot whatsoever, Ken and Brad had to presuppose they knew the answer to the question and try to ring in before Watson.

Plus, since they were playing on Watson's "home court", he's likely been calibrated to buzz in at exactly the ring moment.

If each of Brad and Ken were given 10 seconds after reading each question to write down their answers, I think the game is much closer.

/endhumanteamapologist

[TheEschaton]

So, I guess the key to our success is for Dachcow to leave our raids.

Buh bye Valiona and Theralion. You're much easier than we thought when we first saw you.

Don't worry Wayne, Scramby's crossbow and a healer cloak dropped.

[4a6c1]

I've heard this forum is where many gay men congregate for social stimuli...

I was referred here by Anticor?!?

roflz

[AestheticDeath]

Are you really a masochist, or what? I know people have said it about you because you keep coming back here, but really? Responding to something from a few weeks ago, when the jokes have already stopped, just so that we start making fun of you again... does not compute. It doesn't help that you mixed up your bosses, either. Parasites are Magmaw.


It doesn't help that you mixed up your bosses, either. Parasites are Magmaw.

Nice catch. I was just checking to make sure everyone was paying attention. Or something. Even mixing up parasites with whelps, I think my point was there somewhere.

AND. Has anyone else has horrid luck getting multiples of the same item in the Cata raids?

We got doubles over half a dozen times already, then magmaw dropped the same holy pally breastplate x3. And got two double drops on the twins tonight.

BTW, not that you CARE, but we basically 'accidentally' got them down tonight. I am pretty sure the last 10% was finished with <5 people alive. Video should be up tomorrow for all those that don't care. And you can laugh at me dying early.!@

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

We got 3 of the rings off omnitron the other day.

[AestheticDeath]

So I was watching the video... and for some reason it seems they go from 13% to 4% in an instant, as half the raid dies. What is up with that? Skip to like 7 minutes in if you care to see that part.

Val/Ther (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKZR6qWE5Bo)

[Some Rogue]

My guess is the addon was slow to update for some reason. The Blizzard unit frame seems to be pretty steady with no big jump.

[g++]

I hadnt done any cata 25 man raiding and watching that was pretty much proof to me that 25 man is still based on the idea that it should be 10x easier since theres 2.5x more people.

[AestheticDeath]

It should be 10x easier since you have more retards to deal with(and yes I know you are all trying to look my way for that).

BTW, if any of you didn't get your heroic LK titles in wrath, they are freaking easy now. Icon finally got theirs in 25m, so we were like.. if they can, we can! And we got the 10m... since we dont have 25 people.

Won the caster mace... and gave it away.

[g++]

I wasnt implying anything about you. Actually from watching the video you seemed to do a good job. I really was just saying that 25 man looks ALOT less tuned than 10 man. In 10 man the dragons dont phase nearly as fast and if one person fucks up its prolly a wipe. Obviously not the case in 25.

[Alfster]

25 man is sooo much easier. I havent' had any time to play lately, but scrub guilds look pro in 25's right now.

[AestheticDeath]

Kasdaan - the guy who took the video, has much better internet connection and computer than I do, my screen looks so much crappier.

But I still hear about pallys being among the top healers or something, and yet.. Kas as a druid tops pretty much 99% of our fights. And not just tops.. but like his healing is usually at least 10% higher than everyone elses. Frequently 25-30% higher.

I just tell myself it is all about his comp and isp... :P

[g++]

I dont think you use LOD enough.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

We dropped council of the four winds last night, that fight is fun as shit. The next guy there is also fun as shit (we didn't really seriously attempt it, never got into phase 2).

My casual guild has downed Magmaw25, Halfus25, and Omnitron25, Magmaw10, Omnitron10, Maloriak10, Halfus10, Valiona and Theralion10, Conclave10 and we'll probably take down Chimaeron10 tonight.

I really enjoyed Conclave, that's a freaking fun fight.

[Liagala]

I dont think you use LOD enough.
You don't think anyone uses LoD enough. The spell kicks serious ass when you can get more than 1 person with it (not including the tank), but Blizzard has this really obnoxious habit of making us spread out too much. I think I'd get a lot more use out of it in 25s, where it's just plain impossible to have everyone that far apart.

Edit:
Completely unrelated, but I just saw this on MMO. If AD ever joined Hounds (http://www.darklegacycomics.com/276.html)

[g++]

Word of glory as a critical will do like 25k heals and 12.5k to tank. = 40k If there are 4 people grouped up anywhere you should be using LOD because it will do 40k + 20k to the tank. Its really not that difficult to find a spot where 4 people will get hit with it in a cone in front of you. In 25 man it would be hard to find a spot where that ISNT true. So yah I suggest using LOD more often because if you are playing holy paladin correctly you should basically be a gay looking ball of light every 4 seconds. Word of glory sucks.

[Some Rogue]

Edit:
Completely unrelated, but I just saw this on MMO. If AD ever joined Hounds (http://www.darklegacycomics.com/276.html)


What are you implying?? I don't believe we've EVER talked shit to someone until they gquit!

:whistle:

[Liagala]

The spell kicks serious ass when you can get more than 1 person with it (not including the tank), but Blizzard has this really obnoxious habit of making us spread out too much.

If there are 4 people grouped up anywhere you should be using LOD.
...


For the rest of it, WoG isn't *that* bad. I get ~30k crits out of it, and I think I remember one close to 35k (though I could be wrong). It has a reasonable chance of not using my holy power, and if I'm only going to hit 1 %$@^ing person anyway, I might as well use the bigger free heal on them. When a few people group up, I go back to LoD as much as possible.

[AestheticDeath]

I dont use LOD much atm, I used to before they nerfed it some, and even though it is technically still better then wog now, it is just easier to not care about where I am, and use WOG.

But like on Valiona, when ranged group up I 'thought' I was using it more.

For a while there, I didnt even have the talent point for LOD, and I was just fine healing. I am sure I could do more overall healing by implementing it more. But I tend to use grid, rather than my screen, I tunnel vision like Im not supposed to. I react to seeing people take dmg on that, and play whack-a-mole.

On a different note, Anyone have a geared holy pally, or a disc priest, resto druid they would be willing to sell/give away for my temporary use?

[TheEschaton]

It is easier to not care about doing the most healing you can, when you're a healer. But that's why you suck.

-TheE-

[AestheticDeath]

I am sure LOD is the reason I am always #2 and not #1 during our raids. You have figured out why I suck. Though I bet I could out heal you, even not caring what spells I use, and without trying to maximize the potential of my character.

[TheEschaton]

I'm pretty sure I could outheal you given the same raid buffs and situations, and the only healing I do is on my third 85 who's a resto shaman in heroic blues.

-TheE-

[TheEschaton]

And on top of that, get a significant portio of the interrupts on a given fight.

P.S. I bet you don't interrupt,right, because it's not your job?

[Cyprion]

And on top of that, get a significant portio of the interrupts on a given fight.

P.S. I bet you don't interrupt,right, because it's not your job?

Not to defend him, but if your tanks, melee, shaman or mage aren't interupting... you have bigger problems then worrying about a holy pally going into melee range to do it.

[Parkbandit]

I'm pretty sure I could outheal you given the same raid buffs and situations, and the only healing I do is on my third 85 who's a resto shaman in heroic blues.

-TheE-

Take the bet AD... and I'll split it with you.

[AnticorRifling]

Not to defend him, but if your tanks, melee, shaman or mage aren't interupting... you have bigger problems then worrying about a holy pally going into melee range to do it.


TheE doesn't know he's never interrupted anything....ever.

FYI we are not allowed to reference last night's first Maloriak attempt. Thanks.

[Parkbandit]

TheE doesn't know he's never interrupted anything....ever.

FYI we are not allowed to reference last night's first Maloriak attempt. Thanks.

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_c9_vYrwNxx4/SOeRfq-B2gI/AAAAAAAAAC8/bfGSAegl3ec/self%20pwn.jpg

[g++]

I think I love LOD because after holy pally healing for the majority of wotlk LOD is a fun spell that actually requires thought and lets be honest spamming holy light for a year and a half on the same tank and enchanting epics to make holy light spamming easier was not exactly the most skill oriented way to play the game. Now that they added a little fun mini-game to holy pally healing I actually enjoy looking for spots where I can get really good light of dawns off. I see the point other people make about not liking it though. It can be a pain in the ass to find good placement.

You would really never want a holy paladin on interrupts for the same reason you would never want a mage to be your main interrupts. Its a massive decrease to their heals/dps because where a mage or holy paladin has to /stopcast and potentially let a tank die or lose 3 seconds of dps a melee can simply press a button anytime. If you have a fury warrior they actually WANT to be the one to interrupt. So while its neat holy paladins have interrupts now I think that will prolly stay an arena/oh shit moment thing.

[Keller]

I find it difficult to use rebuke in arena as holy.

It is godly in rated BGs though.

And it'd be retarded to ask a holy paladin to rebuke on a boss. It is a melee range ability.

[Liagala]

All kinds of stuff up on MMO about patch 4.1.

•Divine Storm now grants a charge of Holy Power if it hits 4 or more targets.

^ This makes me very, very happy. Also, ZG and Zul'Aman are back, as 85 5-mans.

Edit: Anticor, I know you can't go read. Here.

Death Knight (Forums / Cataclysm Talent Calculator / Skills/Talents)
Frost
•Blood of the North now Permanently transforms your Blood Runes into Death Runes. Death Runes count as a Blood, Frost, or Unholy Rune.

Unholy
•Dark Transformation now has a 100 yards range, up from 60.
•Death's Advance now prevents movement-impairing effects from reducing you below 60/75% of normal movement speed, down from 75/100%.
•Shadow Infusion now increases Ghoul damage by 6%, down from 8%.

More Editing: LOL

Warlock (Forums / Cataclysm Talent Calculator / Skills/Talents)
Nothing! But I have a hug for you!

[Parkbandit]

Couple nice things:

•All non-damaging interrupts off the global cooldown will now always hit the target. This includes Pummel, Shield Bash, Kick, Mind Freeze, Rebuke, Skull Bash, Counterspell, Wind Shear, Solar Beam, Silencing Shot, and related player pet abilities.

•Tame Beast now tames pets to match the hunter's level, rather than 5 levels below.

•We have added two new custom guild tabards as Guild Rewards. The tabards are account bound and offer a bonus to gaining guild reputation.


Couple shitty things:

•Power Word: Shield duration has been reduced to 15 seconds, down from 30.

•Stealth base cooldown has been reduced to 4 seconds, down from 10, and the movement penalty from being in Stealth has been removed.

[g++]

Well that looks like some decent incentive to level my rogue.

[TheEschaton]

Shields are so prohibitive to cast now that they're not going to last the 15 seconds, let alone the 30, when they're cast. Unless it's for the movement buff from Body and Soul.

[AnticorRifling]

Yes I'll be buying the tabards FU Falgrin.

[Methais]

Look who I killed this morning after camping this fucker forever:

AEONAXX KILL (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rt7sp133ZA)

And got this sick mount from:
http://www.shadesofkae.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/phosphorescent-500x289.jpg

kek

[AestheticDeath]

grats motherfucker

[TheEschaton]

where the fuck have you been, Methais?

[AestheticDeath]

camping aeonaxx obv

[AestheticDeath]

Long shot here, but can someone tell me stat weights for arcane mage? i dont care if it is sub par dps spec etc.. this guy is 80, and staying there for a while

I just need to know which stats are best.. Going for intel, mastery and haste atm... but is haste or mastery better? really could use solid info on stat weights for intel/SP, haste, mastery, crit.

EJ was no help for me in the arcane realm - since no one plays it

[RichardCranium]

Look who I killed this morning after camping this fucker forever:

AEONAXX KILL (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rt7sp133ZA)

And got this sick mount from:
http://www.shadesofkae.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/phosphorescent-500x289.jpg

kek

f

I like your setup.

[TheEschaton]

In WotLK, it was INT/SP > haste > crit, but I have no idea what the arcane mastery is, so no idea where that'd fit in, or if crit has overtaken haste. I would be very surprised if INT wasn't the highest priority.

-TheE-

[AestheticDeath]

well - atm with the way stats and all are working, i do not run low on mana, last boss fight, i got to 20k dps, and my mana wasnt below 35k from 40k, if it was even that low, and that is without using mana cooldowns. So the only thing I gain from more intel is more spellpower, and possibly crit?

the majority of the items I will be using dont have sockets, so i am having to choose between cata greens like eagle, invoker, feverflare etc etc

there is one, possibly feverflare, that is stam, intel, haste and mastery which i have been trying to look for on AH

mastery for arcane mages i believe is like 2.5% arcane dmg for ever 1 point of mastery? id have to look it up to make sure

but seeing if i can get my main nuke to 1 second cast time down from the 1.85 it is atm, would be awesome, just not sure its the most DPS

[TheEschaton]

Haste is almost always your best bet, because in fights which involve movement, standing still for a 1 second cast is better than standing still for 1.85. In a pure stand-and-burn, crit probably pulls even with haste, but you add any movement, and haste starts to pull away. And the masteries which are simply a pure damage buff per point (enhance, feral cat, and arcane it seems), are usually pretty good.

-TheE-

[AestheticDeath]

mastery is 1.5%, not 2.5

i guess i am going to have to buy a bunch of different gear and just test on the dummies, see how that goes

I did get 33k DPS on a standing boss fight though (with bloodlust). And no it wasn't the end boss in throne.. it was the karsh steelbender guy? with flame pillar

i am pretty sure if i can get all my "BiS" pieces from the two entry cata instances, i can get 25K + on normal boss fights that arent movement heavy (without bloodlust)

[SHAFT]

Look who I killed this morning after camping this fucker forever:

AEONAXX KILL (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rt7sp133ZA)

And got this sick mount from:
http://www.shadesofkae.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/phosphorescent-500x289.jpg

kek

What's your definition of camping forever?

[Liagala]

I did get 33k DPS on a standing boss fight though (with bloodlust). And no it wasn't the end boss in throne.. it was the karsh steelbender guy? with flame pillar
You know you get a damage buff against that guy too, right? Not as much as the Ozumat fight, but it's still a significant buff, stacking higher the more he stands in that pillar of flame.

As far as arcane mages go, I'm not sure. I heard mastery is good, and TheE's haste recommendation sounds good no matter which spec you play. I'm not sure how crit interacts with arcane stuff.

[AestheticDeath]

yeah - he never got very many stacks though, the fight was literally over in like 10 seconds

[Cyprion]

Hard to gauge your dps in 10 seconds. Need to see what your sustained dps is, not popping everything and bursting right away. Everyone spikes, its where it settles that matters.

Not trying to burst your bubble or anything, mages are higher end dps. But in greens, you are probably looking closer to 8-10k. That number will rise as you get epics, raid buff, food, flask and most inportantly hit capped. I am betting you are no where near that if in greens with no sockets.

[AestheticDeath]

I was wrong about my numbers. Goo go guessing for the win. But not far really.

Fight was 17 seconds, which beat the old record of 18 seconds. My DPS was 33647, while the others were 6894, 5544, and tanks 3545. And I ended the fight with 34363 mana out of 40668, did 63.2% of the dmg with 564933 dmg done. I still have no clue how many stacks Karsh got up to, but it couldn't have been more then 3-4 really since the guy didnt just stand in the fire.

Pretty much all my randoms go that way, with me being like at least double, if not triple someone elses DPS. Only time I wasn't that high was when there was a druid doing basically the same thing I am.

All of the trash fights are between 10-20k DPS, depending on if its the 100k HP trash, or the larger mobs with 1m health.

And Cyprion, you and my recent repper, missed or forgot the part about this guy staying at 80. At least for a while, so I can just dick around and have fun.

There will be no epics, no longer boss fights such as Argoloth etc. The only thing I will see with this guy is the first two instances in cata, and a very slim chance of old content like ICC, assuming anyone brings an 80. Which from what I have seen in trade the idiots are all asking for 85s.

And while I only have like 1-3 pieces with hit on it, I am hit capped when I want to be. I think the coefficients for lvl 80 were screwed a little when Cata came in, and Blizz doesn't care about it. It is old content now.

And this guy is still in crap cata greens, some with spirit, few if any are BiS (hah) for his level, but the greens as far as I know will still surpass any 277/284? epics from wrath. Even without gem slots and tier piece bonus.

hell one of my trinkets is still some POS from lvling itm lvl 138, 38 crit bonus, with chance on crit to give another 167 crit rating for 10 seconds. Compare that to a trinket I can get from the new dungeons, with 200 intel, and like 900? haste proc. If I can ever get his gear to where I want it, he will be super fun to play when I am not raiding.

It is a nice break from the norm.

[TheEschaton]

So, what, 17 seconds, you just popped images, arcane power, presence of mind, and then spammed arcane blast for the remaining 15 seconds? That's pointless and not indicative of anything.

[AestheticDeath]

You obviously don't get the point.

[Parkbandit]

You obviously don't get the point.

I do, let me help you out.



HOLY SHIT ZOMG AD! UR DPS R GUD!

u really no h0w 2play!

[Parkbandit]

On a completely related topic, I'll let Kramar do the talking for me:

http://www.establishedboard.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/Kramer%20Out.gif

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

DPS means less and less to me now. Short of gear checks, most of our top dps is doing some utility like interupting, slowing, kiting, cc, whatever. Its about how your 5 man/10 man/25 man is working together mostly. If that is good and people do their jobs, the dps doesn't usually matter.

[Liagala]

DPS means less and less to me now. Short of gear checks, most of our top dps is doing some utility like interupting, slowing, kiting, cc, whatever. Its about how your 5 man/10 man/25 man is working together mostly. If that is good and people do their jobs, the dps doesn't usually matter.
DPS means less and less to me now too. This may or may not be directly related to the fact that I heal all our raids except Argaloth.

You're right that interrupts, add control, etc are far more important than blowing up meters in Cata. In Wrath, we had nothing better to do than measure e-peens. Now, DPS actually needs to do work.

[AnticorRifling]

Except Arguendo, he has no raid responsibility except making sure he doesn't come in first on the DPS meter.

[g++]

We going to raid tonight?

[AnticorRifling]

I should be on to raid tonight, yeah.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

DPS means less and less to me now too. This may or may not be directly related to the fact that I heal all our raids except Argaloth.

You're right that interrupts, add control, etc are far more important than blowing up meters in Cata. In Wrath, we had nothing better to do than measure e-peens. Now, DPS actually needs to do work.

Yeah I have 5 healing toons now (2 resto druids, disc/holy priest, resto sham, and resto pali) so I generally heal. I actually like healing to be honest, so it's no biggie for me. And I still get to measure my epeen cause my heals rock the charts.

When I don't feel like raiding, I play feral kitty and rogue and pvp or just go farming. I still am amazed at how long a rogue can keep someone stun locked. I love that shit.

[Parkbandit]

We going to raid tonight?

It's very unlikely I will be playing WoW for a while...

[Liagala]

It's very unlikely I will be playing WoW for a while...
Does anyone know if Internment/Omnipresence/Meatpotato/Whatever is also on an "extended break"? We can replace one easily enough with Bob, but more than that almost always means no raid.

[TheEschaton]

Awesome, way to leave the rest of us out to dry, Falgrin. ;) You realize you are the guildmaster, right?

[Parkbandit]

Awesome, way to leave the rest of us out to dry, Falgrin. ;) You realize you are the guildmaster, right?

What is it that you need that only I can provide?

Oh, nothing.

Stop being a drama queen.

And it shouldn't be a huge surprise... I voiced my boredom of WoW for a while now and how Rift is a new challenge.

[g++]

We could all just stick together and merge with a real guild at this point imo.

[Parkbandit]

Does anyone know if Internment/Omnipresence/Meatpotato/Whatever is also on an "extended break"? We can replace one easily enough with Bob, but more than that almost always means no raid.

I don't think he will be on this week.. he mentioned that he is leaving for New Orleans today.

He might be playing on a laptop though.. so not 100% sure.

[TheEschaton]

Except Arguendo, he has no raid responsibility except making sure he doesn't come in first on the DPS meter.

Also, wait til Cho'gall and Nefarian, where AoE CCs like Psychic Scream (and, sadly for you, hungering cold), are teh shit.

[AnticorRifling]

I don't think he will be on this week.. he mentioned that he is leaving for New Orleans today.

He might be playing on a laptop though.. so not 100% sure.

Yeah he's heading down to a client site for the week. Weird he books a client trip to New Orleans during Mardi Gras....

[Liagala]

We could all just stick together and merge with a real guild at this point imo.
It's looking like those of us not diving into Rift have no other choice. It's either that, or sit around for a few weeks until the shiny wears off of Rift, and then hope people decide they like WoW better after all.

[g++]

Its a never ending problem. The problem isnt that people want to play rift the problem is this guild is so god damn small that 2 people wanting to play rift essentially ruins the entire game for us.

[AnticorRifling]

That's been the issue since raids you're either a core 10 or you're a large guild. Because no one wants to be player 13 in a 10man raiding guild, not getting to raid until someone is at work. You don't stay in the guild very long as player 11-13.

[g++]

Well are you going to keep playing WoW? Like not raid logging? Its a little insane to be on a roster where theres 1 officer who actively wants to play the game. I mean will we even be able to recruit? Arguendos the only one who has been on in the past 5 days who can even invite.

[Liagala]

If PB passes Guild Master to someone actually still around, we could rearrange officers, do some recruiting, and sort it out. The way things stand though, we're pretty much SOL.

[AnticorRifling]

Well are you going to keep playing WoW? Like not raid logging? Its a little insane to be on a roster where theres 1 officer who actively wants to play the game. I mean will we even be able to recruit? Arguendos the only one who has been on in the past 5 days who can even invite.

I've been on in the last 5 days so I call you a liar sir.

I'll still be raiding until I decide what I'm doing. I won't be paying 2 online subscriptions so I'll have to pick one or the other at the end of March. We'll still be able to recruit and take care of filling a raid roster and things like that we wouldn't just up and close shop on those still playing WoW.

[g++]

Logging on Anticor for 15 minutes to talk about rift in guild chat is not playing.

[AnticorRifling]

you weren't on yesterday at all then because I was on Dachcow bitching about work. BIG DIFFERENCE!

[Liagala]

In his defense, Sinceer was also logged on for quite a while - though according to guild note, that might not be Wayne.

[Parkbandit]

If PB passes Guild Master to someone actually still around, we could rearrange officers, do some recruiting, and sort it out. The way things stand though, we're pretty much SOL.

You do realize that everyone below Bayne have all the powers he has, right? That includes guild inviting/guild kicking.

When I figure out what game I want to play, I'll make my decisions accordingly. There is absolutely nothing standing in your way to do whatever it is you want to do.

[Liagala]

There is absolutely nothing standing in your way to do whatever it is you want to do.
Except the part about how we've never had backups for raids, because of the "members 11-13 get pissed" thing Wayne mentioned, and now our core people - who also happen to be 90% of the officers - are disappearing. Guild officers are supposed to be committed to the guild. If you want to wander in and out, take breaks, and try out new games for a few weeks, go for yours - but make someone else the GM.

[Parkbandit]

Except the part about how we've never had backups for raids, because of the "members 11-13 get pissed" thing Wayne mentioned, and now our core people - who also happen to be 90% of the officers - are disappearing.

All true.. but can be rectified by suggestions you offered or G++ mentioned. This is HoR Ver 4.0... there may or may not be a HoR Ver 5.0... that's up to you guys to sort out.

[AnticorRifling]

Except the part about how we've never had backups for raids, because of the "members 11-13 get pissed" thing Wayne mentioned, and now our core people - who also happen to be 90% of the officers - are disappearing. Guild officers are supposed to be committed to the guild. If you want to wander in and out, take breaks, and try out new games for a few weeks, go for yours - but make someone else the GM.

You say that like we wander in out, take lots of breaks, try out new games for a few weeks, etc. all the time. In the 5+ years of us playing PB has taken a break for SC2 and I don't recall Chaincreep and I ever taking any break longer than a family vacation.

[AnticorRifling]

In his defense, Sinceer was also logged on for quite a while - though according to guild note, that might not be Wayne.

I don't generally log on to her shaman so that wasn't me.

[Liagala]

None of you have taken breaks "all the time" - the worst is PB, who has taken a few breaks when raid stresses him out, and the SC2 thing. He is, coincidentally, the one I directed the comment at. He already said that he's out of WoW for at least a few weeks, possibly permanantly if he likes Rift better. If the GM is going to be gone for a significant period of time, and is pondering permanant removal, he should make someone else GM. I don't think that's asking too much. If you decide to stay in WoW, you'd be a pretty good candidate. If not, then TheE. It's not like we have some rigidly structured guild, and he'd be losing out on so many perks by handing the title over. It would just ensure that if we do decide to form Hounds 5.0, we have the tools to do so.

[TheEschaton]

What is it that you need that only I can provide?

Oh, nothing.

Stop being a drama queen.

And it shouldn't be a huge surprise... I voiced my boredom of WoW for a while now and how Rift is a new challenge.

The problem is, you're one of the longest standing members of HoR, and thus people feel loathe to replace you full time. Then, when you come back, you feel automatically entitled to a raid spot, another reason people are loathe to replace you. Then, you're also the guildmaster, which, while it doesn't mean much in this particulat guild, means that you can essentially do whatever you want, if and when you come back. The problem is not replacing a healer, but replacing, specifically, you.

[Keller]

I blame Dar.

[AnticorRifling]

I still blame Yoko.

[Parkbandit]

None of you have taken breaks "all the time" - the worst is PB, who has taken a few breaks when raid stresses him out, and the SC2 thing. He is, coincidentally, the one I directed the comment at. He already said that he's out of WoW for at least a few weeks, possibly permanantly if he likes Rift better. If the GM is going to be gone for a significant period of time, and is pondering permanant removal, he should make someone else GM. I don't think that's asking too much. If you decide to stay in WoW, you'd be a pretty good candidate. If not, then TheE. It's not like we have some rigidly structured guild, and he'd be losing out on so many perks by handing the title over. It would just ensure that if we do decide to form Hounds 5.0, we have the tools to do so.

Which power that the GM holds for a guild do you need to recruit more people or join forces with another guild?

Until I decide I'm done with playing WoW, the guild I helped create will be staying in my hands... where it's been for longer than you've been playing WoW.

[Parkbandit]

The problem is, you're one of the longest standing members of HoR, and thus people feel loathe to replace you full time. Then, when you come back, you feel automatically entitled to a raid spot, another reason people are loathe to replace you. Then, you're also the guildmaster, which, while it doesn't mean much in this particulat guild, means that you can essentially do whatever you want, if and when you come back. The problem is not replacing a healer, but replacing, specifically, you.

Do not feel obligated to save me any spots... I've taken a break from WoW to try another game out. I wouldn't save you a spot if you decided to do the same thing and I don't ask that a special exception be made for me.

[AnticorRifling]

Which power that the GM holds for a guild do you need to recruit more people or join forces with another guild?

Until I decide I'm done with playing WoW, the guild I helped create will be staying in my hands... where it's been for longer than you've been playing WoW.

That's not really fair you've been alive three times longer than any of us.

[Liagala]

That's not really fair you've been alive three times longer than any of us.

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[Parkbandit]

If I wasn't bored to tears with WoW, I would level up an alliance toon and kill you both.

[g++]

I dont see how you can kill someone with healing surge but ok.

[AnticorRifling]

LOL gloves are off.

[g++]

Well after thinking about it for a few seconds, eating a bowl of cereal, cleaning my keyboard for a minute and watching pornography for several hours I think I am going to take this opportunity to hang up WoW as well. The thought of looking for a raid and ending up in one that isnt full of funny people just isnt all that appealing.

[TheEschaton]

Awesome.

[Keller]

So who is quitting that has a level 85 priest I can use for RBGs?

[AestheticDeath]

I do, let me help you out.



HOLY SHIT ZOMG AD! UR DPS R GUD!

u really no h0w 2play!

It isn't about that, obviously since I was here asking questions, basically telling you I don't know jack about the class.

It is a break from the normal raiding where I actually have to pay attention. I can basically sit back and do next to nothing and still be a good addition to the party. And I make most of the runs last half as long as normal, I have already had three tanks drag me along for 3-5 instance runs before they had to go. More often than not before this, tanks just drop the group to re Q on their own.

These are not even heroic instances, all the tanks, whether they are stupid or just confident/overconfident in some cases, face pull the whole group, DnD on top of them, charge in etc.. There is almost no responsibility for me, except for rare occasions to interrupt when someone better suited doesn't seem to be able to... and then I have to wait 24 seconds to be able to do it again. Which basically made the first interrupt pointless, unless its the lady naz chick, where it really makes a difference to get the spell interrupted.

BTW I got 106k plus on the throne of tides end boss last night, without bloodlust.

It is honestly pretty fun to see how some people react to the numbers in groups.

[Alfster]

BTW I got 106k plus on the throne of tides end boss last night, without bloodlust.

It is honestly pretty fun to see how some people react to the numbers in groups.

Still jerking it to your numbers. LOL

[TheEschaton]

<cough> So who wants to be an officer?

[Loyrl]

So who is quitting that has a level 85 priest I can use for RBGs?

<-- But I really don't want the hassle of selling and transferring characters so I guess not.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Don't mages sheep on basically every pull in heroics?

[Some Rogue]

<cough> So who wants to be an officer?

I was once before. I suppose I could be again.

(How else am I going to ninja the guild bank?)

[Liagala]

I was once before. I suppose I could be again.

(How else am I going to ninja the guild bank?)
You just want to talk about me behind my back in officer chat. I know what you're up to.

[AnticorRifling]

The different green colored text is the source of all officer power.

[TheEschaton]

I set mine to bright blue so I don't think it's guildchat.

[Liagala]

I set mine to bright blue so I don't think it's guildchat.
I did that in Sundesmos, after answering a question someone asked in guild chat, in officer instead.

[AestheticDeath]

Don't mages sheep on basically every pull in heroics?

If done right, most of the time, yes.

[TheEschaton]

It seems that we're pretty much past CC in heroics already.

[Alfster]

I did that in Sundesmos, after answering a question someone asked in guild chat, in officer instead.

You were an officer there? haha.

[Liagala]

You were an officer there? haha.
Sort of. When we spent a 5 weeks wiping on Rotface, they decided to make SR and I officers, with our job being to figure out a strategy that would actually work for bosses. It was either that week or the next that we actually got him down, and the week after we quit for Hounds.

[Alfster]

OOOooh. That was after my stint there, that makes sense then. I thought you guys bailed when I did.

Carry on.

[SHAFT]

For all you DK's out there

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x176/shaft4783/tumblr_l12un7sGbO1qz95r9o1_400.jpg

[Liagala]

I hear Stonecore is an awesome place to perfect your suicide bombing technique. I think Arguendo needs a little more work though - next time, try to actually take a couple of them out with you.

[TheEschaton]

Hey, so who wants to help us be more than 5/12 so we can actually recruit people not named "Smokincronic" (I shit you not). Even that's hyperbole, he wasn't interested when he learned we were only 5/12.

Bueller?

[TheEschaton]

So here's the situation (mainly for g++, but with some extra details for Lia and SR):

The Grass is Greener (1/13 HM) is forming a 2nd 10 man group, and can take almost all of us in it. It was started, and they've been trying to recruit, but it's been hard for them to get going. Their 2nd 10 man is 2/13 because more than half of it every week has been fail pugs. Right now, they have a warlock, hunter, DPS warrior, and a resto druid dedicated to the 2nd group.

The problem is where we (almost) fit in. Rennoc and Maz can easily fit in as tanks since they have no guild ones, Dora can easily holy pally because they have only one guild healer. The problem lies with DPS. The warlock founded the group, and Rocktall, the officer I was talking to about this potential move, feels like it would be poor form to ask him to sit. He's fine replacing their hunter with Scramby, if Scramby wants to come, but he isn't okay with asking this lock to sit for Beka. If I heal (either on Arg or the shaman), there'd be one more DPS spot open, but Rock seems to think a second melee would be a better fit. I got Rock to say that last spot could be competitive, but I have doubts that Beka'll be competitive in it. He's more than willing to ginvite her, but he 1) won't ask the group's founder to sit, and 2) he doesn't think two warlocks and four ranged is a good idea.

Other than that, it seems like a good deal. We'd set the times, and he'd be willing to let one of us raidlead the 10 man, because the warlock, while gung ho, hasn't taken too much to raidleading. Expectations are low because it's not been functional too much, and so on, and so forth. Rennoc won't ever have to suffer Sacrelicious's "whining" even though I think he's just being a baby and cranky cause the old TGiG used to raid til 2 am. Rock says most of the guild is east coast now, except for him, Sac and Hidon, the original people from the last incarnation of TGiG, and their first 10 man rarely goes past 9 st now.

The warlock in question, who I've armoried, has 8/12 experience iirc. I wouldn't feel comfortable asking him to sit for Beka either. She's always been our weak link, and prone to dying, etc. She has a new baby which I think distracts her. And let's face it, in ICC, we often had Maz in our raids but not Jacyne because we knew this same thing back then.

My personal opinion is as follows: I'm pretty sure I'm going to go raid with them. I was in the original TGiG, and at the beginning of this expansion, Rock and Sac asked me to be an officer in the reformation of the guild, which I declined. They're good players, and I don't have such a visceral dislike of Sac that SR does, but that's because I don't mind effeminate men who play female blood elves and are pushy because they want to be competitive. And I actually like Hidon. Plus, the whole dynamic has changed (and I make this argument mainly for SR), we'd not be going for silly achievments that ultimately mean nothing except possibly a drake, but for progression and actual BiS gear, and so on, and so forth. No one on the server is past 4/13 heroic, so there's not even any pressure to be that good at heroic mode either. And Sac won't be in our 10 man.

So, thoughts, opinions, etc.

-TheE-

[g++]

Just when I thought I was out...

[Parkbandit]

You might want to check with Scramby, but he was playing Rift last night. Not sure if he's just trying it out or what.. just giving you a heads up.

Personally, I didn't have a big problem with Sac and I really liked Hidon.

[Liagala]

What about Bob? I haven't seen him mentioned in any of this.

[Some Rogue]

What about Bob? I haven't seen him mentioned in any of this.
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a64/lrenzo2/190729.jpg

[TheEschaton]

Bob...yeah, well, I didn't think about Bob. Like I told Nekk last night, Bob loves his family too much to be a consistent raider.

[Keller]

Bob loves his family too much to be a consistent raider.

Sounds like Bob should PvP.

[TheEschaton]

Bob can barely keep track of his searing totem, and he only has to refresh it once a minute.

[Keller]

Bob can barely keep track of his searing totem, and he only has to refresh it once a minute.

Well, the farm will be safe for at least one minute per game.

[g++]

and subscription canceled.

[4a6c1]

and subscription canceled.

....

[TheEschaton]

No worries Rojo, it took me 12 years to give up on Gemstone, and this is only year 4 of WoW for me.

:/

[Hoodtralfeck]

ICC is a joke , time to move on to the new Cata raids in BOT

[AestheticDeath]

youve still been in ICC?

[g++]

After thinking about it today I applied to a few guilds to see what shakes out. I still do actually want to play WoW. I just dont want to do dailies or heroics which I think are two different things lol. Hopefully I can find a raid.

[TheEschaton]

After one night I'm 7/12 on my SHAMAN who had never spent a second in a raid before tonight, including a Nef kill (got my tier helm), full clear of Throne of the Four Winds, and a full clear of BoT, including heroic Halfus.

Jesus, it was pretty intense going from ranged to melee - had to do all the interrupts on one pillar by myself on Nef, and had to interrupt all the shadow novas on Halfus myself.

ETA: And it was only 7/12 because they cleared the first 5 bosses of BRD earlier in the week....next week, I get my Shattered World title and phoenix mount, since they need me to fill in again....guess my shaman's my new main.

[g++]

The phoenix requires exalted nub. Back to 25 man raiding here. Got to see Nefarion and put some attempts in went from wiping on pull to getting half way phase 2 in under an hour of trys. Have a feeling will be clearing the expac as well shortly :).

[TheEschaton]

Did you get a ginvite?

God, the thought of 25s makes me cringe.

[g++]

Yah Im in...theres alot of good dps though. Im gonna need to learn this content quickly and tighten up my game a bit to stay in though. Im up against two mages who have cleared all content 10x over so ...yah im getting a little out classed atm.

[g++]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aU8pOwuqt3k

Heres the video I was telling you about. The rogue is one of the best in the world but the really cool thing is you can tell the priest he is with is just beyond amazing. I would also like you to notice that like 50 TIMES in the video the priest tanks top 10 world rogues for extended periods of time with limited peels using body and soul improved power world shield and self heals.

[TheEschaton]

everyone is in all purples in TGiG too....my shaman was in all blues except the rep agility ring, rep mail boots, and tier chest I picked up for valor points. Didn't even have the craftable belt. I didn't do too bad on dps, I guess. First on Halfus heroic (but that's because I was on Halfus the whole time interrupting, while everyone else killed drakes, second on Nefarian, second on Conclave, third on Valiona/Theralion. Fifth on both Al'Akir (died on p3), and Ascendant Council cause I was running around like a tard because I didn't know which guy I was supposed to be on in p2, and 3rd on Cho'gall (but the two ranged were doing the adds in the back til the 4th or 5th add phase).

At least I'll be getting all the tokens on Warrior/hunter/shaman. No hunter, and the warrior has 4 pc in both fury and tank, lol. Also, despite being a lower level guild than us, they somehow have both the seafood magnifique feast achievment and the battle cauldron achievment.

Apparently they've been clearing Halfus for 3 months though, and the druid tank hasn't gotten Malevolence yet, lol. Hasn't dropped once.

[TheEschaton]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aU8pOwuqt3k

Heres the video I was telling you about. The rogue is one of the best in the world but the really cool thing is you can tell the priest he is with is just beyond amazing. I would also like you to notice that like 50 TIMES in the video the priest tanks top 10 world rogues for extended periods of time with limited peels using body and soul improved power world shield and self heals.

Cool, if only I had those talents in shadow.

[g++]

I always do shit dps while I am trialing so im not suprised at all. I need a certain level of comfort to do good dps. I think I did less on Maloriak and Magmaw in 25 than 10 just because I was making extra sure to not die to anything stupid so move around a bit too much and miss some casts shit like that.

[g++]

He is shadow for a number of those fights when they do 2's. Lose body and soul but he still can tank x.x resilience will fix it?

[TheEschaton]

Plus, I'm pretty sure that video is the reason dispel magic is becoming self-cast only for shadow in 4.1, lol.

-TheE-

[TheEschaton]

Maybe. I don't have improved shield in my pvp spec, which, on reflection, seems pretty fucking stupid on my part.

[g++]

Did you see the mind flay on the friendly rogue to pull out the other rogue, pretty clever. At one point he saps someone, immediately cheap shots the other partner, blinds his target smoke bombs and kill him before anyone can trinket....guys definately earn their glad titles.

[TheEschaton]

Well, we haven't pvped since I could mind sear off friendly targets. :P But yeah, pretty pro.

Plus, I looked up the spriest, who's in 4pc vicious mooncloth (the healing set), and I wondered why, but then I looked at the fucking bonus for the 4 pc:

when you PW:S yourself, movement speed reduction effects are temporarily suppressed for 4 seconds.

I mean, compared to the 4 pc for the shadow set (reduced casting time on MB and mind spike), that bonus is ridiculous.

-TheE-

[TheEschaton]

B-T-Dubs, the 4 top 3s teams are all on Tichondrius, did I miss a memo? Did that somehow become the pro arena server?

ETA: NVM, I'm a tard, that's in Bloodlust battlegroup.

[g++]

The really good PVP players are like fucking elk they just migrate together for fast queues and easy glad titles. The one shadow priest I played with transferred servers like 3 days after we went to 2k in 4 hours. Said it would be easier to get glad in a different battle group. That simple.

[Cap'nDrak]

So on Monday I'm running my first raid with my guild at Blackwing Descent. I've been scrambling like crazy to get my gear in order. Anyone have any tips or sites where I can study up on the encounters? This is on my Rogue running Assassination.

[TheEschaton]

I usually just look up the bosses on wowwiki for the abilities, then youtube them. As a rogue you'll need to focus on Atramedes (where you may need to kite the beam), and Maloriak (and Omnitron/Nefarian to a lesser extent) for what you need to interrupt.

[Cap'nDrak]

That's basically what I've been doing to get the general idea of whats going to happen. I made the decision that I won't make it this go around though. I don't have the time it takes to get my gear together. I don't even think I have the required ilvl. I'm sitting at 366 right now. I'm way too far behind on my rep grind to get all the other pieces I need.
Hopefully I'll make next month..

[TheEschaton]

LOL, 366 is waaaaaaaaaaaaay above what you need for those dungeons.

In fact, you can't even get 366 ilvl until you are doing heroic raids.

[Cap'nDrak]

Good thing I checked first. Like I said, new to raiding so I figured I'd ask before I made a total ass of myself.

[g++]

Post your armory

[AestheticDeath]

people advise itm lvl 340 for beginning raids, which is like half heroic gear, and half normal dungeon, if you get some rep/boe epics you are even better off - but you don't have to get those epics to raid... for epics

and if you are DPS, the requirements are even less of a problem, even if someone tries to hold you to the same thing as heals and tanks - biggest thing is knowing the encounter, and your class

[TheEschaton]

340 is fine, 346 no one can really say anything to you. It's the first tier of content, you don't need to have more than heroic gear average to start it.

[Cap'nDrak]

Looking back I just realized I typed 366, I ment to hit 336. Numbers...

Edit: All the same I think the guild raid ended up being wishful thinking. They PuG'd most of the people, because my guild is beyond casual. I think I'll go work on some more heroics before I try jumping into a raid. I don't think it's normally well looked upon to try and raid in mostly Pvp gear....

And here's my armory: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/malfurion/alenix/advanced

[AestheticDeath]

So - 25m guild I am in won't ever roll out the maelstrom crystals as loot, and wont let us bid on them as DKP... We get doubles and DE'ed shit all the time.

Can anything think of a good reason for this? Or is it really as absurd as I am thinking it is?

Why should the top 4-5 people GM/officers get all the crystals?

[Parkbandit]

So - 25m guild I am in won't ever roll out the maelstrom crystals as loot, and wont let us bid on them as DKP... We get doubles and DE'ed shit all the time.

Can anything think of a good reason for this? Or is it really as absurd as I am thinking it is?

Why should the top 4-5 people GM/officers get all the crystals?

Probably to offer enchants to guildies. Check with the GM to find out if you can get one.

[TheEschaton]

Are they putting them in the guild bank to be used as enchanting mats for raiders? We used to do that, especially A) considering how expensive mats are right now for the top end enchants, and B) douchebags like you and your proclivities to sell a crystal a guildie might genuinely need for for an enchant that makes your guild better.

[AestheticDeath]

Are they putting them in the guild bank to be used as enchanting mats for raiders? We used to do that, especially A) considering how expensive mats are right now for the top end enchants, and B) douchebags like you and your proclivities to sell a crystal a guildie might genuinely need for for an enchant that makes your guild better.

As far as I know, none have been offered to raiders.

And E, you are such a fucking pessimist, I just can't understand it. I have no intention of selling them.

The problem is plenty of people can use them to enchant their gear, rather than having to buy them off the AH, raiding is the only avenue many of the raiders have to get the things, and yet they are not being doled out.

It was originally said that they would go to the GM, so she could buy the patterns with them. But I am sure she has the three patterns by now. And if not, it won't be many more that she needs.

My thought would be that they wouldn't just be put in the GB for anyone, but that you would buy the appropriate amount you need for an enchant with your DKP(meaning you have dkp from actually raiding with us, and deserve them) and since she has the patterns, she can do the enchant.. otherwise whyd she buy them.

[g++]

My guild sells them and boes to keep a constant supply of cauldrons and repairs. You can buy ours at the guild bank for half price. Its nice never having to buy flasks or pay for repairs though so I dont really complain about buying crystals.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

My guild collects them and the officers have learned the higher level enchants (not multiples, i.e. only one officer has one specific enchant, not all the officers getting the same enchant). We then will enchant any guild member who has a BiS item with the BiS enchant if the guildie provides half the materials. We are at the point now we are beginning to provide all the enchant materials (as we've been DEing more).

My guild really works hard to outfit the raiders. For instance we had a "herbing" weekend to get together all the herbs for milling so we could outfit everyone in the guild with darkmoon decks. It was a fucking pain in the ass but we created 37 darkmoon decks in all, and it made a difference in our raiding. We also farm BoT and BwD for epic drops every night before raids, which also helped immensely in funding the guild bank and outfitting raiders. And we try to do heroic farming for new 85's when we aren't raiding.

We have a great guild for helping each other out, IMO.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Oh, G++ comment reminded me we also supply cauldrons and food for raids, which is all funding by the guild. It's easier to say "drop a GB chest and get your raiding food/flask" than ask every raid if everyone is raid ready. In exchange for that we keep the DE'd mats, and many of our regulars deposit mats for transmutes, gems, etc all the time. We also keep a tab full of cut blue quality gems and another tab full of cata enchants on scrolls. This is so that as people upgrade they can regem/enchant their gear, even mid raid, very easily.

Oh, one last thing we do to help fund all the things we do - when we raid if someone wants a piece that is going to be de'd, we sell it to them at half market value of a crystal, and that gold goes to the GB for mats. It is better than deing something someone wants, and still benefits the guild.

[AestheticDeath]

Oh, one last thing we do to help fund all the things we do - when we raid if someone wants a piece that is going to be de'd, we sell it to them at half market value of a crystal, and that gold goes to the GB for mats. It is better than deing something someone wants, and still benefits the guild.

Why would it be DE'ed if someone wants it? Are you saying all off spec pieces must be bought? Not sure why else someone would want something.

Also, beyond a little bit of give or take for the 'crap' pages of the GB, we don't really get anything from it. Last night was the first night since I have been in the guild that main raiders or below could use the GB for repairs. Before last night, it was officers only. Which was like 6~ people.

Other than that, the 'guild' doesn't offer any flasks or food really. The GM sometimes drops a 60 stat feast, but so do many others. I use my own 90 stat food unless we are wiping a lot, and really the others should too.

We don't do helpful things like SHMs guild, which is awesome btw.

Anyhow, by my count, we have DE'd 31 items so far, which to me is a shit ton considering how far behind we are in progression, and how few bosses we have downed. 16 more than she needs for the enchants. They aren't even being 'saved' in the GM/officer only tab. Our loot rules don't state what happens to them or why etc.

Whether I should or not, I just sometimes feel like I am being cheated when valuable hard to obtain things disappear like that.

[Alfster]

With how amazing your skill is, I'm amazed that you haven't gotten into a guild that helps pay for raiding.

LOL

[g++]

I read on mmo-champ the other day they were coming up with a solution for people who werent happy with their current guild.

Its called /gquit it might help you stop counting maelstrom crystals.

[AestheticDeath]

With how amazing your skill is, I'm amazed that you haven't gotten into a guild that helps pay for raiding.

LOL
It's called casual raiding. Perhaps you have heard of it.

And as far as quitting, I am about ready to, but something about spending a few months getting to lvl 19 and revered, only to leave right before level 20 and BOA helms seems kinda of stupid. Especially since the next casual guild I have my eye on, won't likely be level 20 till the end of the year if that..

Anyhow maelstrom crystals is only one of several complaints I have with the guild atm, and I would be remiss if I just up and quit without mentioning anything to the GM, and try to change/fix things beforehand.

Quite a few other people have already quit for some of the same reasons I have, as well as some others. And that has cost us some of the bigger guild levelers, which means at this point we are getting 1-2m guild exp per day instead of capping like we were. Seems like it will be a few weeks before we get the next half level for 20.

[TheEschaton]

ugh, yeah, I was exalted in Hounds, now I'm barely friendly, and I WANT TO BUY MY DARK PHOENIX MOUNT.

[TheEschaton]

I know you mocked it once, Salv, but I can't help but like Bones.

[g++]

What?

[TheEschaton]

The TV show. I know this is the only thread you read.

[g++]

That show is horrible. Why would you suddenly bring that up?

[TheEschaton]

Because I was just watching it on Hulu and feeling ashamed.

[g++]

You should. I’m glad I am shaming you without even being there. It’s a step in the right direction that you have taken the initiative to feel bad about the things you enjoy without my physical presence. <3

[TheEschaton]

P.S. Where's my epic mail belt, you fucking ninja!!

P.P.S. My shaman now has an epic healing helm from heroic Halfus, LULZ. It makes him look like the predator.

[g++]

Oh shit I forgot man. I might just mail back the mats I cant do anymore heroics.

[Nieninque]

It makes him look like a predator.

This is one of those things where people come to resemble their toons, right?

[TheEschaton]

Hey, you wanna heal a raid tomorrow night (Tues) on Salv? Our holy pally is being called up to the big leagues for the next month or so because the 1st raid's holy priest is going to be in Japan.

-Thee-

[g++]

What time hippy?

[TheEschaton]

6 server, 9 your time. Be aware, it's a mixture of people who have 5-9ish/12 experience, and people with no experience in this xpac of raiding.

[AnticorRifling]

Dude if he can put up with raiding with me for months nothing is going to phase him.


So you guys remember that last attempt and how it was almost a kill shot.....funny story I'm in my pvp spec and wearing my tank gear and I've got a lvl 60 weapon equipped and I'm using an int flask for some reason...so yeah we'll get it this time.

[TheEschaton]

Not to mentioon he healed me as a tank through ICC, lolwut.

[TheEschaton]

P.S. You'll be healing with me on my priest, and an untested druid, kthx.

[Keller]

Anyone else unable to connect?

[TheEschaton]

For about half an hour yeah, authentication servers were down, they're back up for me now though.

[Keller]

Yup, up now for me, too.

[Liagala]

TheE, are you still interested in finishing up the 5-man heroic achievements with Maz and Beka?

[TheEschaton]

Sure, just let me know when.

[AestheticDeath]

Uh, I never knew the auction house had a fee for canceling an auction with a bid. I figured you just lost your deposit like other stuff with no bids.

For fucks sake...

Is anyone still playing wow? Everyone move to rift?

[TheEschaton]

I still play. Different guild, still on Dunemaul. 5/13 heroic on both my shaman (as resto, lol), and my spriest.

[g++]

I still play. Different guild, still on Dunemaul. 5/13 heroic on both my shaman (as resto, lol), and my spriest.

Same except 2/13 shaman = mage and my alts are not raiding.

[Keller]

I still play on my paladin and priest.

[g++]

We should fail at threes sometime

[AestheticDeath]

I tried selling the reins of the crimson deathcharger, was dissapointed at only getting 50k, they were like 100-150k before cata... seems to be they would be harder to get now.

[AnticorRifling]

Harder to get now that you've got 5 lvls over content and almost 100 ilvl higher gear?

[g++]

E could you install this add on for Arg?

http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/whatdididispel.aspx

<3

[TheEschaton]

Come on, we all know I don't dispel.

[g++]

Actually you do. But so do I. Trying to waste less mana trying to spellsteal buff that arent there.

[Keller]

We should fail at threes sometime

What kind of 3s?

[g++]

I would say priest/mage/you possibly rogue or something but honestly E is so busy in his new guild and our gear is so far behind at this point it would prolly be a pretty big fail.

Who are you playing horde side keller?

[Keller]

I would say priest/mage/you possibly rogue or something but honestly E is so busy in his new guild and our gear is so far behind at this point it would prolly be a pretty big fail.

Who are you playing horde side keller?

Abicaboose and Zennosuke.

[g++]

I dunno, I would be willing to start a 3's a team and be mildly serious about it. E I think is too busy at this point and your also way better than both of us at pvp so we would prolly just be dragging you down.

[Keller]

I dunno, I would be willing to start a 3's a team and be mildly serious about it. E I think is too busy at this point and your also way better than both of us at pvp so we would prolly just be dragging you down.

I would play something on my priest. Not sure I want to leave my 3s team on the paladin right now.

And being good at PvP is not hard. It just takes a little more effort and thought than PvE. Couple macros, a little practice with positioning, and you're better than 90% of people.

[g++]

Yah I saw your 3's team on your pally, i wouldnt leave either heh.

Like I said my mages gear is mediocre and i would love to play some matchs...Aloks spreadsheet has grown larger than the day is long however.

[AestheticDeath]

Harder to get now that you've got 5 lvls over content and almost 100 ilvl higher gear?
Nothing to do with gear, ICC was easy before cata.

Harder to get because you can't find 25 people to farm the place every week for a few months. Especially when they aren't going to be getting the shards or guaranteed loot.

Only easy way would be if you had already done all the lead up quests, had half the shards, and only need like 2-4 runs.

Beyond that, you have the initial clear for the bloods, you have to have the 25 primordial saronite, and lights vengeance quest. Then the soul feeding from clearing shit, which WAS 1000 souls, and that isn't quick if it is still at 1000. Then you have to have at least one more clear in 25m to get the three infusions, THEN you have the 50 shadowfrost shards, which on average should take 10 or more full clears even on heroic mode. And then the last LK kill.

How many people have that many friends to stick through it with them for old content, just to get a crap legendary or the extra loot, which the quest guy/shadowmourne wielder may or may not share out. Assuming he does, is it rolled out, or were there dibs before?

Anyhow, I just sold my crimson deathcharger for way way cheaper than I feel it should have gone for, considering all the shit above you have to go through to get one.

And I finally got 12/12, night before the patch.

[g++]

On dunemaul horde I see almost as many 25 man hard mode ICC runs forming in trade chat as I do cataclysm raid pugs. Which is actually a pretty sad indicator of where the game is has been at since cata released.

[AnticorRifling]

Nothing to do with gear, ICC was easy before cata.

Harder to get because you can't find 25 people to farm the place every week for a few months. Especially when they aren't going to be getting the shards or guaranteed loot.

Only easy way would be if you had already done all the lead up quests, had half the shards, and only need like 2-4 runs.

Beyond that, you have the initial clear for the bloods, you have to have the 25 primordial saronite, and lights vengeance quest. Then the soul feeding from clearing shit, which WAS 1000 souls, and that isn't quick if it is still at 1000. Then you have to have at least one more clear in 25m to get the three infusions, THEN you have the 50 shadowfrost shards, which on average should take 10 or more full clears even on heroic mode. And then the last LK kill.

How many people have that many friends to stick through it with them for old content, just to get a crap legendary or the extra loot, which the quest guy/shadowmourne wielder may or may not share out. Assuming he does, is it rolled out, or were there dibs before?

Anyhow, I just sold my crimson deathcharger for way way cheaper than I feel it should have gone for, considering all the shit above you have to go through to get one.

And I finally got 12/12, night before the patch.


Lol at you saying ICC was easy before cata...you're the same guy that didn't know how the abilities even worked or why they were important in heroic mode ICC fights. Hell go back in this very thread and see it for luls.

Except the bloods didn't require a clear, unless by clear you mean clear 1 wing and then kill 2 bosses in wing 2, saronite is a joke, the quest is accept it...go fly over to a cave and get item...soul farming everyone should have had done MONTHS ago and if not two people can go in there and farm souls. The shards could be a bitch but I was in a PUG that went every week for shards, we got 2 people theirs, one more was ahead of me when I quit so it's very easy to do if you're good enough to get into a static group and be invited back.


There's nothing "hard" about any of it, it's just investing some time.

All and all it's much easier to get now then when it was current so it should be cheaper.

Personally I would have kept it because I was a mount whore.

I wish I could have the WoW play style with the Rift graphics and "still new car smell" factor. Last night's world PvP was hilarious I thought Falgrin was going to die from laughing so hard his lungs popped.

[Parkbandit]

I wish I could have the WoW play style with the Rift graphics and "still new car smell" factor. Last night's world PvP was hilarious I thought Falgrin was going to die from laughing so hard his lungs popped.

"I have tone, I have tone... let's see, we have a level 35, a 33, a shit crossbones, run away, RUN AWAY!!!"

[AnticorRifling]

Yeah we pretty much made questing impossible for anyone in the zone. It was AWESOME!

[g++]

Sooooo 4.1 is awsome.

[AnticorRifling]

It had to be. They had to stop the bleeding and make up for the fail that was Cata to date.

[Keller]

Sooooo 4.1 is awsome.

Why?

I logged in, tried to play 2 arena games, WoW froze both times, and I logged back on to SC.

[TheEschaton]

Cata wasn't a failure, it was just hard, and not as casual friendly as Wrath was. ;)

Roundabout insult ftw.

And yeah, the new instances are pretty cool. ZG is actually hard. Fucking Venoxis, wut. And Jin'do was brutal til we figured out a good strat for it.

-TheE-

[AnticorRifling]

Cata wasn't a failure, it was just hard, and not as casual friendly as Wrath was. ;)

Roundabout insult ftw.

And yeah, the new instances are pretty cool. ZG is actually hard. Fucking Venoxis, wut. And Jin'do was brutal til we figured out a good strat for it.

-TheE-

It wasn't hard it was boring. 5 quick levels and then those boring ass dungeons. It just didn't feel as robust as it should have been for an xpack. If it was a patch ok but for a whole xpack it didn't live up.

[TheEschaton]

I didn't realize the 5 extra levels in wrath were what kept you around. Because those dungeons were even more boring.

The raid content in this expansion is far more interesting than it ever was in wrath.

[AnticorRifling]

I didn't realize the 5 extra levels in wrath were what kept you around. Because those dungeons were even more boring.

The raid content in this expansion is far more interesting than it ever was in wrath.

5 lvls is srs bizns.

I don't know I don't think wrath dungeons were as bad as cata dungeons. I suffered through raiding with BA for most of wrath so that's not even something I can compare.

[Some Rogue]

Cata wasn't a failure, it was just hard, and not as casual friendly as Wrath was. ;)


You know we played since Vanilla right Wrath baby? It wasn't like we were scared of 'hard content'. Hell, we played with Falgrin, that made all content harder than it should be.


It wasn't hard it was boring. 5 quick levels and then those boring ass dungeons. It just didn't feel as robust as it should have been for an xpack. If it was a patch ok but for a whole xpack it didn't live up.

Bingo!

[AnticorRifling]

We cleared BWL with Dar...bitches don't even know what heroic content is anymore.

[Some Rogue]

Haha, too true.

Dear Dar, come play Rift.

[Keller]

We cleared BWL with Dar...bitches don't even know what heroic content is anymore.

We carried Dar AND Nightwish through MC.

I still remember having to convince people to bring Stevenseagal (pro-ass healer) instead of her (all she did was cast prayer of healing over and over and over and over, this was back when it could only be cast on the priests group and there were 8 groups of people in a raid). Fucking Matray.