UGH

[Parkbandit]

haha I call bull on that. Mike probably, me no way. All I do is dps and side step my job is easy.

Nope, you were 3rd overall. I will say that you were trying to take up the tanking job when Stevejobs went down though.

Of the 5 attempts on Rot, I took more damage than you did in 1 fight.. and that was only by 247 hps.

[AnticorRifling]

I'm talking slime spray, the easiest avoidable damage that you tried to mouth hug over and over.

[Some Rogue]

True but we don't want to give it a month of attempts first. Oh snap.

It wasn't my decision to bring the retards who were just a warm body, pulling 3k dps and taking more damage than the tank. :(

[AnticorRifling]

HAHA awesome. Hey guys check out this sweet green shit I'm rolling in, it's helping my auto attack!

[g++]

I think next time we do ICC, I say we have Rennoc tanking and Steve doing dps. I really believe that the tanking of the globs is the key to that encounter. Steve stayed in melee range far too often and was getting hit for 30+K each hit.

Yup pretty much. Not to play the blame game but over half our wipes were from Steve getting melee'd now that he knows he cant get melee'd I think well get it next time.

[Parkbandit]

I'm talking slime spray, the easiest avoidable damage that you tried to mouth hug over and over.

After going over the specifics with you in WoW, I'll expect an apology... Mr. Mouth Hugger.

[Trouble]

In other news, I finally cleared TOC 10 last night! Woo!

Oh, and the Triumph badge gear for shamans sucks. Who uses mp5 anymore? Haste is the new black. Hell, c'etait en vogue a year ago... even for Resto.

[Parkbandit]

In other news, I finally cleared TOC 10 last night! Woo!

Oh, and the Triumph badge gear for shamans sucks. Who uses mp5 anymore? Haste is the new black. Hell, c'etait en vogue a year ago... even for Resto.

Are you dps now? mp5 for healing shaman is pretty important.. especially on longer fights.

[Trouble]

Are you dps now? mp5 for healing shaman is pretty important.. especially on longer fights.

Yes DPS for the most part. I have 232 sets for both elem and resto so I can switch as needed. I tend to queue for the dungeon finder as resto since it's faster.

Are you sure about the mp5 for resto? It's much less useful than before; the emphasis is on haste and Int. True, I haven't healed a real boss fight (ICC) yet so I'm talking about stuff I haven't seen but I can't imagine a properly talented resto shaman would run out of mana, assuming proper use of Mana Tide and Water Shield. Even the T10 resto set only has two pieces with Mp5.

I guess I just hate seeing mail that's useless to me. I topped out in available (non-mp5) gear within a week of resuming playing so I'm a little bitter. I have a couple hundred Triumph badges already that I wish I could use for something useful. It would be nice if you could use them to buy the BoA gear. I'm also anti-cloth which limits my options (that and much of the cloth has too much +hit). ALL of the caster mail you can buy with badges outside of the T9 set has Mp5: http://www.wowhead.com/?items=4.3&filter=si=2;ub=7;cr=118:123:61:79;crs=47241:1:3:3; crv=0:0:0:0

I could join a real guild I guess. My current guild raids ICC but I'm not in the cool peoples' clique so I'm SOL. I stick with them because they only allow adults and don't tolerate BS.

[Some Rogue]

You can trade the badges down and buy epic gems and BoA gear.

[Parkbandit]

Don't know that much about mp5 changes to be honest.. I play a resto druid and stack spirit instead. I just thought that mp5 for a resto shaman was a good thing.

[Trouble]

You can trade the badges down and buy epic gems and BoA gear.

Ah you're right. I didn't think you could buy the BoA stuff with (any) badges anymore since they changed it to Champion's Seals. But I did a lookup and I was just using the wrong vendor. Thanks!

And yes I've been buying gems with my old leftover badges.

[g++]

Don't know that much about mp5 changes to be honest.. I play a resto druid and stack spirit instead. I just thought that mp5 for a resto shaman was a good thing.

MP5 is useful for every healer its just not as useful as other stats for some of us. Id be suprised if you literally cant run out of mana as a resto shammy. I can oom my paladin with 100 percent up time on divine plea on some fights if I really want to. I obviously would prefer haste or crit but if I see 40-50 mp5 on a piece im not like what a worthless piece of shit like I used to pre-toc. Its basically a balancing act between high throughput and the ability to keep casting non-stop for the length of the fight.

[Trouble]

Upcoming PvP changes:


We have several changes planned for Battlegrounds in the next minor content patch and would like to share them with you now. This patch will be available for public testing and we encourage you to participate, queue up and provide some feedback on these changes.

Firstly, say goodbye to Battleground Marks of Honor. We feel this currency system is a bit outdated and are getting rid of it. Any items which require these marks as currency will have their costs adjusted appropriately to remove this requirement. The quest NPCs will still be available to award players Honor for turning in leftover marks, including individual Marks of Honor if a player has more marks from one Battleground than another, but this is only to help players clear this expired currency.
Next, the Battleground holiday weekend will now be denoted as "Call to Arms" in the Battleground tab and Calendar. If you prefer a specific Battleground over all others, look for those words next to its name to determine whether or not you'll receive bonus Honor. The bonus awards for Call to Arms Battlegrounds have been adjusted.
Winning a Call to Arms Battleground for the first time in a day will award players with 30 Honorable Kills worth of additional Honor currency and 25 Arena points.
Additional Call to Arms Battleground victories after the first win for a player that day will award them with 15 Honorable Kills worth of additional Honor currency.
Losing a Call to Arms Battleground will award players with 5 Honorable Kills worth of additional Honor currency.
To bring the rate at which players obtain PvP rewards with Honor more in-line with the rate at which players obtain PvE rewards via the Dungeon Finder, we'll also be increasing the amount of Honor awarded for an Honorable Kill by 100%. In light of this, the amount of experience provided from an Honorable Kill, and the amount of Honor awarded for completing the Wintergrasp weekly quests, have been reduced by 50%.

It's important to note one thing about these 50% decreases. All Honor awarded for completing objectives in Battlegrounds and Wintergrasp is actually based on an Honorable Kill conversion rate. So if you destroy a tower in Alterac Valley for example, the Honor you're awarded is actually based on a flat number of Honorable Kills. Since Honorable Kills will now award 100% more Honor, completing such objectives will also award more Honor. This is why experience gains based on completing Battleground objectives and Honor awarded from the Wintergrasp quests are being decreased by 50%.
Now that we hopefully have your attention, we're pleased to announce the implementation of the Random Battleground system! This system will work virtually the same as the Random Dungeon option in the Dungeon Finder and will replace the Battleground daily quests. Players can queue solo, or with a group of up to five players for a Random Battleground in the Battleground tab. As with the Random Dungeon option, the Battleground chosen will not be revealed until players zone into the Battleground for which they are selected. The bonus rewards for this system are identical to the updated Call to Arms bonuses.

Winning a Battleground using the Random Battleground option for the first time in a day will award players with 30 Honorable Kills worth of additional Honor currency and 25 Arena points.
Winning additional Battlegrounds using the Random Battleground option after the first random win will award players with 15 Honorable Kills worth of additional Honor currency.
Losing a Battleground using the Random Battleground option will award players with 5 Honorable Kills worth of additional Honor currency.
When using the Random Battleground option, players will not receive additional rewards if the Battleground chosen is under the effects of the Call to Arms bonuses. In other words, the bonuses do not stack. In addition, if a player has been rewarded 30 Honorable Kills worth of bonus Honor currency and 25 Arena points from either the Random Battleground system, or the Call to Arms Battleground, he or she will be rewarded 15 Honorable Kills worth of bonus Honor currency and no Arena points that day for each additional victory. This applies whether the Random Battleground system is used, or the Call to Arms Battleground is chosen specifically, as a player cannot be rewarded the full amount of bonus Honor and the 25 Arena points more than once per day.
All of these features and changes will be available in the next minor patch which should be hitting the public test realms in the near future. Please help us out by testing this system and providing your feedback so we can make some fine-tuning adjustments before the patch's release.
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=23307931060&sid=1

[Parkbandit]

MP5 is useful for every healer its just not as useful as other stats for some of us. Id be suprised if you literally cant run out of mana as a resto shammy. I can oom my paladin with 100 percent up time on divine plea on some fights if I really want to. I obviously would prefer haste or crit but if I see 40-50 mp5 on a piece im not like what a worthless piece of shit like I used to pre-toc. Its basically a balancing act between high throughput and the ability to keep casting non-stop for the length of the fight.

Spirit is better for druids and I holy priests, because it also contributes to SP on heals. I know shit about paladins and even less about shaman healers... so not sure what you guys use to keep your mana up.

[Krendeli]

Resto shamans are easy sauce when it comes to mana. I stay away from mp5 if I can. Keeping up water shield, popping the first mana tide totem at 80%, and mana stream totem provides me with enough mana to get through all the boss fights. I can get through most boss fights with mana > 90%.

[Liagala]

I can oom my paladin with 100 percent up time on divine plea on some fights if I really want to.

How do you keep 100% uptime on divine plea?

[TheEschaton]

He can't, it's just hypothetical. Only prot pallies canhave a 100% uptime on Divine Plea.

[Liagala]

As we prepare for the public testing phase of minor content patch 3.3.3, some players might come across information regarding upcoming content that isn't yet available. To avoid any confusion, we'd like to tell you about an exciting new raid dungeon we are working on for content patch 3.3.5.

The Ruby Sanctum

A powerful war party of the Black Dragonflight, led by the fearsome Twilight dragon, Halion, have launched an assault upon the Ruby Sanctum beneath Wyrmrest Temple. By destroying the sanctum, the Black Dragonflight look to crush those that would stand in the way of their master’s reemergence into Azeroth and to ultimately shatter the Wyrmrest Accord – the sacred bond that unites the dragonflights.

The battle that is to come will surely deal a crippling blow to the Red Dragonflight, however, it is up to you to stop this unprecedented offensive and defend the Ruby Sanctum. First you must face the assault of Halion's servants, Saviana Ragefire, Baltharus the Warborn, and General Zarithrian, before squaring off against Halion the Twilight Destroyer, a new and deadly force in this realm.

The Ruby Sanctum will feature 10- and 25-player content, Heroic difficulties and all-new rewards! Stay tuned for more information as we get closer to its release.

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=23329393289&sid=1

[g++]

I mean use it the second its off cooldown every time it comes off. Which is about 8k mana a minute gained for me.

[TheEschaton]

They're releasing a new raid AFTER the fall of the lich king? Does that make sense?

[Liagala]

Not that I've been around for any of the others, but don't they usually put out a minor raid after all the actual content is done? Troll raids normally, from what I've heard.

[Some Rogue]

Oh you silly noobs.

[Trouble]

They're releasing a new raid AFTER the fall of the lich king? Does that make sense?
If you read it, it looks like it's a prelude/teaser for the next expansion, since it's the attack of the Black Dragonflight.

[TheEschaton]

If I *READ* it?!?!? Who the hell do you think I am?!?

[Methais]

If you read it, it looks like it's a prelude/teaser for the next expansion, since it's the attack of the Black Dragonflight.

If you read it, it looks like you're wrong.


As we prepare for the public testing phase of minor content patch 3.3.3, some players might come across information regarding upcoming content that isn't yet available. To avoid any confusion, we'd like to tell you about an exciting new raid dungeon we are working on for content patch 3.3.5.

Cataclysm would be considered 4.0 I would imagine, since BC was 2.0 and WOTLK is 3.0.

[Some Rogue]

It's part of the storyline leading into the next expansion not an actual part of the expansion. Like the zombie plague or whatever it was before WotLK was released which I missed because I had quit. I think Vanilla to BC had some events too. That new world boss that took the place of the one who left the Blasted Lands and all the armies that set up outside the dark portal.

[Alfster]

It's not surprising at all that they're putting out a new raid. Lich king made it what, 12 hours before people killed him? Haha.

Seriously tho, I've been pretty impressed with ICC thus far. Toc was so easy it was retarded. No trash, no real problems if one person makes a mistake.

So far in my brief run in with ICC it's fairly difficult to carry undergeared or just plain stupid people. The Crimson halls weeded a few people out of our guild. Haha. Once the self nerfing goes through tho, I think ICC will turn out like TOC.

[Alfster]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v426/pottymouth31/recount-1-1.jpg

Heh, this is the only image of recount that I have. Guess the fight AD. (I'll give you a hint, it's a gimmick)

[Some Rogue]

It's part of the storyline leading into the next expansion not an actual part of the expansion. Like the zombie plague or whatever it was before WotLK was released which I missed because I had quit. I think Vanilla to BC had some events too. That new world boss that took the place of the one who left the Blasted Lands and all the armies that set up outside the dark portal.


Number 2. The lieutenants are sub-bosses which will each drop an Emblem of Frost. Halion is the main boss. While the activation of Heroic difficulty is different from the Obsidian Sanctum, the overall raid format for the Ruby Sanctum is very comparable.
You're likely to find some random pieces of armor on par with Lich King loot, similar to the items Onyxia dropped while Trial of the Crusader was the top-tier raid. You can also expect to see some more trinkets and things of that nature.
This raid will not only provide a bit of additional content to pair with the current content of patch 3.3, it will be the beginning of an advancement in the storyline for Cataclysm.
The plan is to have a normal mode and a heroic mode just like Icecrown Citadel, so far there is no plan for a Sartharion +1/+2/+3-like encounter.

[Alfster]

Surprised this took so long.

#
# Incanter's Absorption: This talent now only grants additional spell power when damage is absorbed by Mana Shield, Frost Ward, Fire Ward, or Ice Barrier. The limit of 5% of the mage's health on the spell power buff has been removed.

[TheEschaton]

This was the thing that let mages stand in fire and get buffed, right? What were they using before this to absorb/get more spellpower? Iceblock?

[Alfster]

Technically, standing in fire didn't get nerfed.

Disc priests bubbles kept me with about 1200 extra spell power on fights that have constant raid damage. Also, the legendary healing weapon out of ulduar gave bubbles that absorbed damage.

[g++]

You get mana back too if you spec into frost ward and throw it up before bathing in marrowgars dpsness

[Trouble]

If you read it, it looks like you're wrong.

Cataclysm would be considered 4.0 I would imagine, since BC was 2.0 and WOTLK is 3.0.
Right. I meant the instance itself was a prelude/teaser for the new expansion, to connect a current location with the Cataclysm plot. One of those things that didn't come through correctly in text... perhaps bridge would have been a better noun.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v426/pottymouth31/recount-1-1.jpg

Heh, this is the only image of recount that I have. Guess the fight AD. (I'll give you a hint, it's a gimmick)

I'd guess twins in ToC25.

[Alfster]

Nah, BloodQueen.

Haha, I'd be higher on Twins.

[Some Rogue]

So, are we gonna have enough people to go back to ICC tonight? I heard we might have a few people out this week...

[Parkbandit]

So, are we gonna have enough people to go back to ICC tonight? I heard we might have a few people out this week...

Chaincreep and Salvlol are out.. which means the ONE FUCKING CLASS (healers) that we don't have extra/extra/extras of.. is short 2. I'm not sure when Salvlol will be back though.. maybe tonight? If that's the case, he and I can 2 heal the first wing of ICC... then we can do like 10 man VOA and the weekly heroic.

[Some Rogue]

Bastards. I quit the other guild to join up and you pull this on me!? I am going to burn your house down.

[Parkbandit]

Bastards. I quit the other guild to join up and you pull this on me!? I am going to burn your house down.

I did laugh when Chaincreep said he would be gone all this week.. and Salvlol chimed in and said he would be as well.....

I THINK it was Salvlol.. it would be sweet if he's not gone.

[Some Rogue]

Haven't seen him around since saturday, so probably.

[Keller]

Is Dunemaul back up?

I am contemplating walking home for lunch and buying by 1800 dagger on my rogue.

Quick reponses appreciated!

[Keller]

I know none of you assholes work. Ok, I know some of you assholes work for yourself.

[Trouble]

You could try the realm status page?

[Keller]

You could try the realm status page?

nvm, should have googled.

Thanks.

[Trouble]

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/realmstatus/

DM looks to still be down.

[g++]

Ill be on tonight, I think it was Steve who said he would be gone for the week.

[TheEschaton]

Nah, Steve is around. It was Chaincreep and someone else, maybe Civil? Either way, Doraene can replace a dps if need be, since we have the tanks and I guess 2 heals. Dora can even go and be third healer if we want to go extra wings (and I want to), if her gear is up to it.

[TheEschaton]

BTW, Dunemaul is up for me, I just logged in.

[AnticorRifling]

Her gear is good to go.

Chaincreep is out for the week he's down in Florida. I might be doing an overnight to Ohio for a client but that's only if I can get this freaking program mod to do what I want..Chances are it will be next week.

So yeah we're down one but we picked up a few and we should be able to cover what we need, get in there and kill some shit.

15 prim saronite to go weeeee!

[Drisco]

nvm, should have googled.

Thanks.

MH or OH, I'm in a pickle aswell.. I can't decide if I wanna get the 1.8 OH for some massive mut crits.

My dream would be Heart-piece MH / 1.8 OH with deadly/wound.

What do I do :(.

[Keller]

MH or OH, I'm in a pickle aswell.. I can't decide if I wanna get the 1.8 OH for some massive mut crits.

My dream would be Heart-piece MH / 1.8 OH with deadly/wound.

What do I do :(.

I just started playing him a couple of weeks ago - so my only access to weapons is PvP weapons. I'm going to get 1.4 OH first for PvE purposes and then I'll snag the 1.8 OH eventually.

If I had access to PvE offhands, I'd probably grab the 1.8 OH because I like big numbers.

There is a pretty good discussion on arenajunkies in the rogue forums on this topic.

[g++]

If Dora wants to go let me know ill just play bioshock lol.

[AnticorRifling]

Why's that?

[g++]

Cause she can be the paladin healer and I can play bioshock?

[AnticorRifling]

But we needs 3 healers for other wings yes?

And I'm pretty sure dora wants to deeps...

Eh, we'll figure it out.

[g++]

Were not gonna get to plague wing tonight anyway. Around 11:15 bullchip will show up with some exuse about a prostate exam and then well clear the first wing in 18 minutes and itl be past my bedtime.

[AnticorRifling]

Were not gonna get to plague wing tonight anyway. Around 11:15 bullchip will show up with some exuse about a prostate exam and then well clear the first wing in 18 minutes and itl be past my bedtime.

HAHAHAHA

That's it I'm paying for a name change of your paladin to Negativenancy!

[Liagala]

Nah, Steve is around. It was Chaincreep and someone else, maybe Civil? Either way, Doraene can replace a dps if need be, since we have the tanks and I guess 2 heals. Dora can even go and be third healer if we want to go extra wings (and I want to), if her gear is up to it.

Bolded part above... wut? I quit Sundesmos on the assumption that I'd be regular dps (healing if needed) in the weekly ICC run. I had a pretty solid weekly spot there, and I didn't drop it to be the fill-in over here. If that's how it goes, somebody tell me now before I get saved with the wrong guild for the week.

/bitchiness

[Liagala]

Cause she can be the paladin healer and I can play bioshock?

I can fill in healing if needed, but I'm not very good at it. I would MUCH rather be dps, unless you guys really need the heals.

[Parkbandit]

You aren't a replacement dps, but you are the only extra heLer this week so bring both sets of gear.

[Liagala]

You aren't a replacement dps, but you are the only extra heLer this week so bring both sets of gear.

That works. I always have the holy set in my bags anyway. I still say we're better off with Salvlol as the pally healer though, and me as third if needed beyond lower spire.

[g++]

We need to get a second 10 man going IMO and start thinking about a weekly 25. This 4 paladin thing is unhealthy.

[AnticorRifling]

Yup we're going to.

We've got enough geared alts that we can bring a few mains + alts to a second run to balance out both runs and keep everyone getting gear as well as raiding together.

Tonight we want to try ICC 25? I think most of us last night thought yes. If we do someone who gets on a touch earlier start getting some names together and check them out letting them know we'll be going around 9 so when us oldies/family guys get on we don't wait an hour filling spots.

[Parkbandit]

We barely had 10 people on last night to do a single 10 man raid.. what makes you think that tomorrow we're suddenly going to have 20 online?

4 paladins aren't ideal, but I don't think it's unhealthly.

[Liagala]

We would have had Fester with a better 3rd healer. I'm okay in heroics and easy raids, but I'm really just not ICC quality in holy spec right now. Losing one of the top dps and replacing with a fail healer did not exactly help us.

[Parkbandit]

Yup we're going to.

We've got enough geared alts that we can bring a few mains + alts to a second run to balance out both runs and keep everyone getting gear as well as raiding together.

I might have misunderstood then.. if we're bringing alts, we most certainly can do 2 10 man raids a week.




Tonight we want to try ICC 25? I think most of us last night thought yes. If we do someone who gets on a touch earlier start getting some names together and check them out letting them know we'll be going around 9 so when us oldies/family guys get on we don't wait an hour filling spots.

This project wraps up early today.. so I should be on rather early. I'll go through our 25 man TOC group and see if we can form an ICC with enough gear to make it easy. Rennoc seems to think most of the Sundermos people would be up for that.. regardless of how mean Rennoc was when he left them in the lurch.

[AnticorRifling]

We barely had 10 people on last night to do a single 10 man raid.. what makes you think that tomorrow we're suddenly going to have 20 online?

4 paladins aren't ideal, but I don't think it's unhealthly.

Tonight.

We don't run 2x 10 mans on the same night dummy. If we're melee heavy on tues for the main run and we've got 10 I sit out. Then on Fri/Mon whatever we do an alt run and I bring Dach, etc.

Really 4 pally's isn't horrid it's just not great because we don't get to bring things like brain heal and blood lust. But we could easily do 4 pallys next week and if Portal isn't on Chain is there to DPS first wing, heal second, and it's gravy. Or whatever we'll mix and match and move forward.

[g++]

We barely had 10 people on last night to do a single 10 man raid.. what makes you think that tomorrow we're suddenly going to have 20 online?

4 paladins aren't ideal, but I don't think it's unhealthly.

Well we either need to expand and recruit or next week were going to have 13 people on and 3 people are going to get butthurt and quit. Pick your poison really.

[Parkbandit]

We would have had Fester with a better 3rd healer. I'm okay in heroics and easy raids, but I'm really just not ICC quality in holy spec right now. Losing one of the top dps and replacing with a fail healer did not exactly help us.

True that. And I really missed the Chaincreep Chain healing last night on that fight. You and Salv are one cast full health healers.. where Chain and I keep the raid pretty levelled off.

[AnticorRifling]

You ever tell him that he's a valued asset to the raid and I will punch you in the old man balls.

[Parkbandit]

You ever tell him that he's a valued asset to the raid and I will punch you in the old man balls.

He just has a good set of dps gear and a good healing set. I made the mistake of working on Bullchip's tanking gear instead of a boomkin set.. and now I'm behind bigtime.

I think we can easily make 2 10 man groups with a good solid mix of mains and alts. Most of us have a solid alt that can easily step in... the trick is going to be having 3 solid ranged dps in both groups.

[Keller]

If you want my unsolicited advice, and I know you don't, isn't pushing 2 10-mans exactly what caused the downfall of Impaired Judgment?

Just stick with 10 friends. Rotate in and out as necessary. It sounds like you all are having fun having fun. No need to be content whores.

:two cents:

(we really need a two cents icon)

[Liagala]

If you want my unsolicited advice, and I know you don't, isn't pushing 2 10-mans exactly what caused the downfall of Impaired Judgment?

Just stick with 10 friends. Rotate in and out as necessary. It sounds like you all are having fun having fun. No need to be content whores.

:two cents:

(we really need a two cents icon)

I'm sort of with Keller on this one. If people want to hit up lower spire on one night with alts or something, all well and good. Bang out 4 easy bosses, get some lootz, and call it a night. Putting together 2 full 10-man groups for actual raiding though, is not going to work. We'll end up with a mix of alts and mains in 2 mediocre groups, and we'll never get past plague wing on either. People with a toon in each group will get burned out pretty fast, going 4+ nights a week too.

[Parkbandit]

If you want my unsolicited advice, and I know you don't, isn't pushing 2 10-mans exactly what caused the downfall of Impaired Judgment?

Just stick with 10 friends. Rotate in and out as necessary. It sounds like you all are having fun having fun. No need to be content whores.

:two cents:

(we really need a two cents icon)

Not really.

What caused the downfall of Impaired Judgment was a couple people wanting to form a perfect group of 10.. and then whoever was left over would form the other group.

We are suggesting that we take 5 mains and form 1 group.. then take 5 other mains and form the other group.

[Keller]

Not really.

What caused the downfall of Impaired Judgment was a couple people wanting to form a perfect group of 10.. and then whoever was left over would form the other group.

We are suggesting that we take 5 mains and form 1 group.. then take 5 other mains and form the other group.

And Yoko Ono. Don't forget Yoko.

I have no vested interest in your guys' success. I am just saying I think you're opening Pandora's box. The road to guild implosion is paved with good intentions.

[g++]

Honeslty after 8 weeks of clearing 10 man to plague wing im getting bored. I would like to move on in some way. If its a pug 25 man icc I can live with that but clearing the first few bosses in 10 man 2 days a week is only going to hold my interest in warcraft another week tops. I mean am I the only one that is getting bored as shit with the first wing of 10 man?

[AnticorRifling]

I'm not looking to push it though. I want to, but I don't want to go down the road of WoW > family, gym, work.

I think our main raid will push thru, if someone doesn't get in the main raid because we have 12 people online they should know we will probably do first wing on alts. That's all. We just make sure we rotate who, if anyone, sits and as long as we field a solid 10 we're gold.

And yes let's pug 25man I think we can build a solid repeat pug group for that. (plus I need blood for my weapon totally unrelated)

[g++]

Thats fine I dont have more time for this game either. We could extend our raid lock outs and do something thats actually interesting though.

[AnticorRifling]

Shh I'm eating cold, rare roast beef with hot peppers and provalone.

[g++]

I ordered a cornbeef sandwich and got this 3 stacked sandwich monstrosity that I cant even get in my mouth. The sandwich weighs like 3 pounds.

[Cephalopod]

Shh I'm eating cold, rare roast beef with hot peppers and provalone.

http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w66/Sassy_Photos_2007/roastbeeflol.jpg

[Methais]

I was about to say....there's no way this page is gonna finish without Emislity after AR's post.

The PC never lets you down.

[TheEschaton]

I also think 4 pallies is a bit of a crunch. Steve has a geared boomkin, and I know that puts us at 3 pallies/3 druids, but then at least we have 1 of each spec and buff (LotP, Boomkin aura, tree of life aura, and then the different things the three types of pallies bring), and it solves our ranged problem. The question is whether he actually wants to raid on the boomkin.

I think we need to be a bit more organized, tbh. We down the first wing in 30-40 minutes, it's just that it takes us from 9 til 10 to get the raid together, clear trash, etc, so that by the time we clear that wing, it's 10:40 or so. I know it's a running joke that we never down Marrowgar before 10, but in a guild with lots of east coast ppl who work and have families, where staying on past midnight isn't really feasible, we need to push things a bit early on.

As for getting bored with the first wing, yeah, I agree. I think we have a strong group to push much further than that, it's just that we all happen to be real people with real things to do (okay, not me, but still). I know for a fact that the reason I haven't been in a top raiding guild since July is because it takes up too much time, and that's part of why we reformed HoR. At the same time, balancing casualness with actually doing something is necessary to keep people's interest.

-TheE-

[AnticorRifling]

Words.

We could always shoot for 8:30 start. I think I could swing that.

[g++]

Well next week extend the raid lock out and lets pick up wherever we finished this week. I mean I agree we are all strapped for time so lets cut out the first wing entirely so we stop wasting what little time we do have. I dont think gear is an issue anymore our raid wide dps is way over 5k avg now anyway.

[AnticorRifling]

Sounds like a winner.

[Alfster]

We are suggesting that we take 5 mains and form 1 group.. then take 5 other mains and form the other group.

That sounds like a blowup waiting to happen. "You stole loot from my main!!!"

The one nice thing about wrath was that all the instances are 10/25, so you don't run into the 5 leftover people that have to roll with alts in 10 man only content.

[Liagala]

Well next week extend the raid lock out and lets pick up wherever we finished this week. I mean I agree we are all strapped for time so lets cut out the first wing entirely so we stop wasting what little time we do have. I dont think gear is an issue anymore our raid wide dps is way over 5k avg now anyway.

Doing that for a week just to get some time in on new bosses is nifty, but I wouldn't want to do that every week. I still need frost badges like crazy for stuff - I have not a single piece of actual tier gear, and then I want a crapload of primordial saronite for the same reason Anticor's chasing it. We can clear the first wing in under an hour. If we start at a reasonable time that should be plenty on most weeks to get past the boring crap and into more fun bosses.

[Alfster]

I still need frost badges like crazy for stuff - I have not a single piece of actual tier gear, and then I want a crapload of primordial saronite for the same reason Anticor's chasing it.

Holy shit. Wtf did you spend all your badges on???

[Some Rogue]

Wish all of this had been brought up before I quit my old guild...

[Some Rogue]

Holy shit. Wtf did you spend all your badges on???

I've only got one tier piece. Not all of us run a 10 and 25 every week.

[Liagala]

Holy shit. Wtf did you spend all your badges on???

Belt, trinket, cloak, libram. I've built up 86, but need 69 more before I can swap my remaining 2 piece T9 for 2 piece T10. I'm not doing it one at a time and giving up the set bonus for nothing. After that, the 4 piece T10 bonus is sexy as hell, so I'll want to replace the gloves/helm I got as random drop loot with tier stuff. So there's another 155 badges. Then 25 primordial saronite at 23 badges each...

Like Rennoc said - not all of us have been running both 10 and 25-man every week. Also, I still want this (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=50342) from Deathwhisper, which requires her not being dead at the start of the week. I'm pretty sure every melee (or hunter) dps in the guild would like it, so she needs to not be dead at the start of the week several times. While I only need one item, I out-gear everyone in Hounds, with the possible exception of Rennoc (according to wow-heroes) - and a lot of my stuff isn't the best, it's just the best I had available. If I need one thing, others probably need more.

[Nieninque]

Can someone check whether Zica is in the guild/game still.
Had an email this morning saying my password has been changed...as I am in London I knew it wasnt me, so assuming that I will be returning to a shadow of a 5 80 account. Wondering if they have deleted me yet?

[Alfster]

Fuck you guys! I've only run 1 10 man since switching servers. And that was just the plague wing!!!

I just snagged the 4 piece tier 10 today. The rest i'm spending on primordial saronite and selling for profit. Yah, i didn't do it one at a time either. Went chest --> shoulders, then waited for the last two pieces before using them.

It's just kinda weird not going for set bonuses first. Unless those bonuses blow. haha. I don't know shit about gearing paladins, but for mages, the 2 and 4 piece bonuses are amazing...so went for those first.

[AnticorRifling]

Wish all of this had been brought up before I quit my old guild...

It was you weren't in on guild discussions :)

And why? you're not sidelined here.

[AnticorRifling]

Belt, trinket, cloak, libram. I've built up 86, but need 69 more before I can swap my remaining 2 piece T9 for 2 piece T10. I'm not doing it one at a time and giving up the set bonus for nothing. After that, the 4 piece T10 bonus is sexy as hell, so I'll want to replace the gloves/helm I got as random drop loot with tier stuff. So there's another 155 badges. Then 25 primordial saronite at 23 badges each...

Like Rennoc said - not all of us have been running both 10 and 25-man every week. Also, I still want this (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=50342) from Deathwhisper, which requires her not being dead at the start of the week. I'm pretty sure every melee (or hunter) dps in the guild would like it, so she needs to not be dead at the start of the week several times. While I only need one item, I out-gear everyone in Hounds, with the possible exception of Rennoc (according to wow-heroes) - and a lot of my stuff isn't the best, it's just the best I had available. If I need one thing, others probably need more.
You've got a gear score that's what 3 higher than mine?
:p

[AnticorRifling]

Can someone check whether Zica is in the guild/game still.
Had an email this morning saying my password has been changed...as I am in London I knew it wasnt me, so assuming that I will be returning to a shadow of a 5 80 account. Wondering if they have deleted me yet?
Hacked?!

[Liagala]

You've got a gear score that's what 3 higher than mine?
:p

71, from what wow-heroes tells me this morning. You're 2923, I'm 2994. A winnar is me :P

[Liagala]

Can someone check whether Zica is in the guild/game still.
Had an email this morning saying my password has been changed...as I am in London I knew it wasnt me, so assuming that I will be returning to a shadow of a 5 80 account. Wondering if they have deleted me yet?

Ouch. I thought you had an authenticator? Or is that PB who sleeps with his every night?

[AnticorRifling]

DAMN YOU GRIM TOLL! <-- which I need to replace

[TheEschaton]

Zica is still in the guild, said was signed on about 13 hours ago. Was that you?

[Nieninque]

Hacked?!

Yup...must be trojan or somekind. No other risky behaviour entered into on my part.
Will blitz the computer when I get home.

[Trouble]

Can someone check whether Zica is in the guild/game still.
Had an email this morning saying my password has been changed...as I am in London I knew it wasnt me, so assuming that I will be returning to a shadow of a 5 80 account. Wondering if they have deleted me yet?
May want to demote the toons so they don't raid the guild bank (if that's even possible in the guild)

Was it a fake email? Did it want to to click to approve it or anything like that?

If you have an iPhone or Android you can get an authenticator for free.

[Nieninque]

Zica is still in the guild, said was signed on about 13 hours ago. Was that you?

Good.
No.


Ouch. I thought you had an authenticator? Or is that PB who sleeps with his every night?

That be PB...they wont sell them outside of the US and America's hat.

[Nieninque]

May want to demote the toons so they don't raid the guild bank (if that's even possible in the guild)

I had no status in the guild. No real problem there. They only had two hours as well. Caught it pretty quick so the account is disabled now.


Was it a fake email? Did it want to to click to approve it or anything like that?

No it was real. No links, just info. Went to the Blizz site and my password didnt work. Reported it compromised through the contact page at battlenet.


If you have an iPhone or Android you can get an authenticator for free.

Wont work in the UK for a US account. I need to wean myself off you septics and play in the UK...might even get in a raiding guild then...

[Liagala]

That be PB...they wont sell them outside of the US and America's hat.

http://eu.blizzard.com/store/details.xml?id=221003617

[Some Rogue]

It was you weren't in on guild discussions :)



It's also not what I was told in a PM the day before I joined either. :P

[Alfster]

You're still better off than with sundesmos.

Did you read their last discussion on last night's raid? Hilarious.

[AnticorRifling]

It's also not what I was told in a PM the day before I joined either. :P

BAIT AND SWITCH AHAHAHAHAHAHA wait....

[Some Rogue]

You're still better off than with sundesmos.

Did you read their last discussion on last night's raid? Hilarious.

Haha, yep.

[AnticorRifling]

What happened?

[Alfster]

This is their post on their forums....



Most everything tonight seemed like people were not at thier top game.

We had some switching of roles due to so recent losses in the guild and were trying some new things out

so.... needless to say there were many wipes

Many simply to it just being an odd night and ICC basically having out for us.... starting with all for of the giant Skele's being set off in the first hall

Marrowgar straight out disliking healers

Lady deathwhisper really never does anything cool so she was as usual a simple take down

We cleared the weekly raid quest which went decently with a couple of losses.... and seriously... Damesh, ICC just wanted to treat you like a bitch tonight.... its not you, its Arthas.... he hates shamans

Gunship went without a hitch

Saurfang was a 2 shot unfortunately, first attempt we lost one of the range and unfortunately we had already lusted and we were slow to react to changing circumstances. I believe it still could have been finished however i couldnt spit out my plan fast enough before Saurfang started massively healing himself.

Second time... it was nothing

Then.... on the way to the Frost wing to drop the one Valkyr Damesh DC'd we were trying to wait on him but the boss event was started and we had no choice but to push through. Learned some new things about the few actions the Valkyr boss does with the spears and shields needing to be dropped by someone before you can do something..... this ofcourse is probably in a guide somewhere however we've never looked into it since it was an easy down the last couple times. Pretty sure her abilities are tied to the 2 Captains at the bottom of the stairs, as she started spearing people once the first one went down.

Still waiting on Damesh to reconnect we started pushing through the Rlague wing to get to fester/rot before calling it a night. we took the pups down pretty easy even though we lost a couple more Dps to them. Unfortunately Damesh never was able to reconnect or let us know what happened so we called it once all the trash was clear and atleast got a little more rep from it.

We are looking at reforming the Core Group and refining a few peoples in order to get through this so expect changes to come and additions to the Guild. If you are being looked at for Core on any standard you should be busting your ass to get the gear needed for this and as well making sure you are looking into the fights and making sure your spec is straight for max dps with raid benefits.

any questions?

[g++]

Why does a dude who plays on Kirin Tor read Rennocs guilds message boards? Are you guys like imfamous through all of wow?

[Alfster]

Perhaps the same dude was in Sundesmos before transferring servers?

[Some Rogue]

Lots of mayhem. Sounds like they had the problem with both traps on top of each other in the middle of the room. Wipes on stupid stuff, people dying for no good reason, disconnects, etc.

[AnticorRifling]

Alf used to be on Dunemaul.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

might even get in a raiding guild then...

I know you <3 the pvp but a former guild I was in, the anzacs, is comprised mostly of Australian's, New Zealanders and brits, raided to late for me so I left. If you wanted a PVE server they are a good option IMO.

PS - I'd like to raid your panties.

[Liagala]

Pretty sad when the lack of Damesh ends your raid, IMO.

(for those who don't know, Damesh has great dps, but he is king of "WTF" deaths. Rennoc changed the Saurfang speech to "We named him Damesh. It means "ankh is on cooldown" in Orcish")

[Some Rogue]

He was Dar Jr, in other words.

[Alfster]

It was nearly impossible to kill Mimron with Damesh or Felnor in the group. I'll be amazed if they can kill putricide with either of them in the raid.

Shit, felnor couldn't even get INTO mimron's room without dying.

[g++]

Belt, trinket, cloak, libram. I've built up 86, but need 69 more before I can swap my remaining 2 piece T9 for 2 piece T10. I'm not doing it one at a time and giving up the set bonus for nothing. After that, the 4 piece T10 bonus is sexy as hell, so I'll want to replace the gloves/helm I got as random drop loot with tier stuff. So there's another 155 badges. Then 25 primordial saronite at 23 badges each...

Like Rennoc said - not all of us have been running both 10 and 25-man every week. Also, I still want this (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=50342) from Deathwhisper, which requires her not being dead at the start of the week. I'm pretty sure every melee (or hunter) dps in the guild would like it, so she needs to not be dead at the start of the week several times. While I only need one item, I out-gear everyone in Hounds, with the possible exception of Rennoc (according to wow-heroes) - and a lot of my stuff isn't the best, it's just the best I had available. If I need one thing, others probably need more.

I suggest you beef up your healer set fast.

[Keller]

I know Monkeysnarf used to use his ankh as an aggro-wipe. That shit was classic.

In other news - I am terrifically thrilled that I don't PvE anymore. I'd do the PvE with friends thing if I had time to do both arenas and PvE, but I'd never, ever, ever considered organized raiding again. What a shitty way to spend 3+ nights a week.

[Liagala]

I suggest you beef up your healer set fast.

I hate to say it, but it's not the gear. It's the person hitting the keys. I know how to ret. I really don't know how to holy. I use about 6 buttons (cleanse, 3 heals, beacon, sacred shield). Anything beyond that makes me stop and look for crap, if I even remember I can use it in the first place.

Edit: Feel free to offer advice/tips/whatever next time we're raiding, if you see something. Help is always good.

[TheEschaton]

I thought pallies just holy light spam, judge to keep up judgmenets of the pure up, rinse repeat?

[AnticorRifling]

<--- Worst paladin healer ever. Anyone who remembers me raiding on my pally at 70 and trying it will confirm. Druid healing spoiled me that standing still business is bullshit.

[Parkbandit]

<--- Worst paladin healer ever. Anyone who remembers me raiding on my pally at 70 and trying it will confirm. Druid healing spoiled me that standing still business is bullshit.

If we're being honest.. you were/are a shitty druid healer as well.

[AnticorRifling]

HAHA fuck you.

[Methais]

Can someone check whether Zica is in the guild/game still.
Had an email this morning saying my password has been changed...as I am in London I knew it wasnt me, so assuming that I will be returning to a shadow of a 5 80 account. Wondering if they have deleted me yet?

I get like 5 of those emails a day. I even get some for Aion once in a while, and I haven't played that since after its first month out.

[Keller]

I hate to say it, but it's not the gear. It's the person hitting the keys. I know how to ret. I really don't know how to holy. I use about 6 buttons (cleanse, 3 heals, beacon, sacred shield). Anything beyond that makes me stop and look for crap, if I even remember I can use it in the first place.

Edit: Feel free to offer advice/tips/whatever next time we're raiding, if you see something. Help is always good.

Holy shouldn't be too hard.

Beacon a tank, keep sacred shield on a tank, and heal the raid/tank(s).

Maybe your spec? I'd just go to assent's wowarmory and find a few of their holydins and copy the spec most of them use.

Using divine sacrifice and hand of sacrifice can also be situational. Use them (and lay on hands) as oh shit buttons.

Make it simple:

1) /focus the tank
2) create focus macros (/cast [target=focus] Lay on Hands, etc) for LoH, Hand of Sacrifice, and all three heals.
3) Bind your heals and shit, then bind the focus heals to shift+normal heal

It's all about reaction time in raid healing. Get a good lightweight unit frame (I really, REALLY like sraidframes) and watch them like a hawk.

[Liagala]

Make it simple:

1) /focus the tank
2) create focus macros (/cast [target=focus] Lay on Hands, etc) for LoH, Hand of Sacrifice, and all three heals.
3) Bind your heals and shit, then bind the focus heals to shift+normal heal

It's all about reaction time in raid healing. Get a good lightweight unit frame (I really, REALLY like sraidframes) and watch them like a hawk.

I keep telling myself I'm going to learn how macros work, and I keep not getting around to it. I have a feeling that and the focus target thing will do a lot for me. Shift+ keybinds don't work as well for me - with my left hand too high up on the keys and my right on the mouse, it takes too long for me to find the shift (or alt, ctrl, whatever) key. It's faster to just go click the button, if it's something I don't use often enough to have bound to the regular keys.

Right now I'm using grid to keep everyone's health bars/debuffs where I can see them, but that's the only real addon I have (not counting recount, carbonite, etc). Healbot and decursive were suggested, so I'll check those out in the next few days and see how they work for me.

[AnticorRifling]

Just giggle a lot when you make mistakes so you don't get yelled at. That's what PB does.

[CrystalTears]

Healbot is awesome. It handles all the healing, buffs and curses/poisons/etc. I love it.

[Nieninque]

I get like 5 of those emails a day. I even get some for Aion once in a while, and I haven't played that since after its first month out.


Yeah. I,ve had a few of them this one was real though.
:(

The battle.net change looks to have made things easier to sort the account out though, so that's goos at least

[Parkbandit]

Just giggle a lot when you make mistakes so you don't get yelled at. That's what PB does.

OR.. you can say things like:


"Hey Drew.. try not to be a fucking dumbass again and keep your pet on passive so you don't pull the other pack over here.. fucking n00b"

{Insert Anticor's pet pulling the other pack}

"Well, I'm trying a new spec out.."
or
"It's not really my fault, they were tanking them too close to the other pack"
or
"My wife was talking again.."
or
"I'm pretty sure I saw Drew's pet pull that.. let's just kill them and not worry about laying blame.. he knows he fucked up"

[Parkbandit]

Healbot is awesome. It handles all the healing, buffs and curses/poisons/etc. I love it.

^This

I use decursive for curses/diseases.. but healbot for everything else.

[AnticorRifling]

OR.. you can say things like:


"Hey Drew.. try not to be a fucking dumbass again and keep your pet on passive so you don't pull the other pack over here.. fucking n00b"

{Insert Anticor's pet pulling the other pack}

"Well, I'm trying a new spec out.."
or
"It's not really my fault, they were tanking them too close to the other pack"
or
"My wife was talking again.."
or
"I'm pretty sure I saw Drew's pet pull that.. let's just kill them and not worry about laying blame.. he knows he fucked up"

Hey is that blue fire?! ROLL ROLL ROLL TOASTY

FYI I was in such a shitty mood between my phone not working (fixed it today pain in the ass), my wife not leaving me alone, work not leaving me alone after hours, etc. I wanted to punch kittens.

[TheEschaton]

If you already have Grid, I'd suggest getting Clique, as it assigns spells to different mouse clicks/mouse clicks plus keys. And then use decursive for dispelling.

For example, on my priest, I have flash heal on left click, penance on right, PoM on Shift+left click, PW:shield on my button5 (thumb button), Pain suppression on middle click, Power Infuse on Shift+middle click, Gheal on Shift+right click, etc, etc. That way, I use only my mouse and my shift key to heal, and thus my left hand is free to move/cast spells/fap, etc. Obviously, to free up time, put your lesser used spells on the shift modifiers.

For you it would probably be like:
Flash Heal: Left Click
Holy Light: Right Click
Beacon: Middle Click
Sacred Shield: Shift+Left Click (only have to cast it, what, every minute?)
Holy Shock: button5 (thumb button)
then start macroing your CDs to the Shift+ keys. I think left to right, so my small heals I use with the left buttons, and big heals on the right, so I'd probably do LoH to Shift+Right Click, Divine Illumination on Shift+Middle, and I don't remember the other holy pally CDs.

[AnticorRifling]

I got 15 buttons on my mouse. I've programmed 6 of them and remember to use 3! WEEEEEEEE

[Some Rogue]

Another excuse for getting beaten by a girl on DPS?

[TheEschaton]

You're DPS, lol. When I'm shadow, I just have left click bound to dispel so I can dispel my target just by clicking on its portrait.

I also use Clique for less obvious thing, like Tricks of the Trade, on my rogue, it's easier than making a focus macro which is hard to change dynamically.

[TheEschaton]

Another excuse for getting beaten by a girl on DPS?

LOL, her dps was so high last night I thought "LOL, WELL< YEAH I CAN SPAM DIVINE STORM WHEN IT'S OFF CD EVERY 2 SECONDS TOO, LULZ". Then I looked at her gear and realized she didn't even have the 2 pc t10 yet, and now I'm psyched to see her numbers when she finally gets those bonuses. ;)

[Liagala]

I knew I liked you for a reason.

[g++]

My buttons are

left - flash
right - holy light
middle - holy shock
alt left - sacred shield
alt right - beacon
control right - cleanse
shift click - target
and bop, sac and all that bullshit is bound to keyboard
I used to bind bop and what not but it was more of a liability blowing the shit on mouse clicks then it was a problem to shift click my target and use regular binds

and i know your playing up that you didnt heal enough liagala but that really wasnt the issue last night, the issue was that ive loaded into arathi basin with better raid synergy. We should have had a resto shaman. The only reason my numbers were so high is with two holy paladins one is always going to be faster and our targets are going to be the same so the fact that I have about 800-900 haste and 4 set bonus making my holy light casts take about a second was causing me to basically throw you into the overheal column on alot of your casts.

[Keller]

Do any of you guys use Mik's Scrolling Battle Text?

If yes, do you know how to use it properly? In other words, do you make custom triggers?

[Parkbandit]

Hey is that blue fire?! ROLL ROLL ROLL TOASTY

FYI I was in such a shitty mood between my phone not working (fixed it today pain in the ass), my wife not leaving me alone, work not leaving me alone after hours, etc. I wanted to punch kittens.

I should have added all of your FYI's to your typical responses...

[Parkbandit]

I got 15 buttons on my mouse. I've programmed 6 of them and remember to use 3! WEEEEEEEE

Same here. I use 5 total buttons... out of 17

[TheEschaton]

I love MSBT, and yes, I make custom triggers. However, I usually trust in my ability to not 'tard things up and keep track of my timers with fx.

[Alfster]

Do any of you guys use Mik's Scrolling Battle Text?

If yes, do you know how to use it properly? In other words, do you make custom triggers?

I love this addon personally. I used to use SCT back in the day, but this one is soooo much better.

I have it set to play some ridiculous music whenever my "I win" cooldowns are ready.

[AnticorRifling]

I might have to look into it.


Also last night went well. 25man ICC pug, cleared first wing, I went and made a mess achieve on saurfang, 120k raid DPS. 5 healers. Not bad for a pug at all. We sent out calendar invites to those worth keeping and we'll do it again next week.

[Keller]

I love this addon personally. I used to use SCT back in the day, but this one is soooo much better.

I have it set to play some ridiculous music whenever my "I win" cooldowns are ready.

It's pretty nice.

I recorded my own voice and bound it to what I should do on common events. Now whenever sheep or fear is being cast on one of my 3s partners - I am spamming cleanse so it comes off the second it lands. I instantly silence heals the second someone begins to cast them. It's so much faster than human reaction to notice a person is casting, notice they are casting a heal (nothing worse than silencing a fucking smite when they follow it up with a gheal), and silence it.

[Some Rogue]

You HoR's should sign up.

http://houndsofrexxar.guildzilla.com/

[TheEschaton]

how do I update which recipes I have on the recipe page?

[Some Rogue]

how do I update which recipes I have on the recipe page?

I have to approve you as member, then you should be able to just click on the right hand side for ones you have.

[Liagala]

So are we extending the raid lock for this week?

[TheEschaton]

now that Chaincreep is back from vacation, I say we go tonight and down Festergut and get attempts in on Rotface and Putricide. I dunno about extending the lockout, does anyone need anything in the first wing any more?

[Liagala]

Extending the lockout for a week or so - I don't care one way or the other. Extending it permanantly - I'd get grumpy. I still need a pile of badges and at least one item from lower spire, and I'm pretty sure other people need the same.

Are we going to have enough people tonight to go back in?

[TheEschaton]

We would have had enough people last night, had Salv decided to grace us with his presence. ;)

[g++]

Yah im not playing much, I honestly dont know if I will be on tonight I have class and then I might stop by a friends house.

[g++]

Looks like I might have a spot for my mage in a 25 man raid back on my old server so Im prolly gonna be taking off shortly. Just a heads up(i told bullchip last week). Anywho was fun but I guess I was slightly more addicted to 25 man than I thought.

[Some Rogue]

Looks like the buff got added this week:

Hellscream's Warsong (http://db.mmo-champion.com/s/73816/hellscreams-warsong/)
Health increased by 5%. Healing done increased by 5%. Damage dealt increased by 5%.

[AnticorRifling]

now that Chaincreep is back from vacation, I say we go tonight and down Festergut and get attempts in on Rotface and Putricide. I dunno about extending the lockout, does anyone need anything in the first wing any more?

Trinket off of deathwhisper.

[AnticorRifling]

Looks like I might have a spot for my mage in a 25 man raid back on my old server so Im prolly gonna be taking off shortly. Just a heads up(i told bullchip last week). Anywho was fun but I guess I was slightly more addicted to 25 man than I thought. You cracker. :)

[Parkbandit]

Looks like I might have a spot for my mage in a 25 man raid back on my old server so Im prolly gonna be taking off shortly. Just a heads up(i told bullchip last week). Anywho was fun but I guess I was slightly more addicted to 25 man than I thought.

Was Arguendo and Survain that bad in arena that the only way out of that nightmare was to change servers?

[g++]

LOL we actually did pretty well for the first 20 games, im sad ill miss out on that and twos with Dachow. I mean considering none of us knew what the hell we were doing at first and I was calling shit out when I have no business doing so. We went like 1 and 7 then 11 and 7 to end 12-14 I think? Could tell we were getting the idea by the end i think we could have done pretty well with practice tbh.

[AnticorRifling]

Dear Salv, we dropped the first wing before 10pm. Dropped the little mini boss Val'kyr for the extra frost emblem then we smoked fester and rot. Did two attempts on the professor, got him to third phase both times but we made mistakes early that cost us. We'll drop him Thursday. We stopped at just after 11pm because Chain and I had to log.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

My guild blazed through the first 4 last night, one shotting them all and even got the weekly giant thingie killed between Lady and the Gunship. I hate that fucking fight.

We are hopefully clearing the plaque wing on Saturday :)

[Parkbandit]

My guild blazed through the first 4 last night, one shotting them all and even got the weekly giant thingie killed between Lady and the Gunship. I hate that fucking fight.

We are hopefully clearing the plaque wing on Saturday :)

That guy sucks. We didn't get him this week

[Trouble]

That guy sucks. We didn't get him this week
I've gotten into a couple of our ICC25 runs as a sub and last week we had that guy. I was like, he's only a trash mob? Sheesh! At least we got 5 badges out of it.

[g++]

Dear Salv, we dropped the first wing before 10pm. Dropped the little mini boss Val'kyr for the extra frost emblem then we smoked fester and rot. Did two attempts on the professor, got him to third phase both times but we made mistakes early that cost us. We'll drop him Thursday. We stopped at just after 11pm because Chain and I had to log.


You dirty bastards. My trial is on Monday but I was on standby as my old guild cleared to lich king in 2 hour 50 minutes on 25 man.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I've gotten into a couple of our ICC25 runs as a sub and last week we had that guy. I was like, he's only a trash mob? Sheesh! At least we got 5 badges out of it.

Yeah, my guild has the tactic down, but sometimes you just can't do shit. I was hit by freezing breath at full health, off heals was picking up the tank and then he immediately stomped, killing me. That bs is what irks me, but I guess it's what makes it fun too. I'm really enjoying going on runs with virtually all of the same people each week, makes it a lot more enjoyable when you have all learned together and accomplish the same achieves at the same time for the most part. Only thing I dislike is we run mostly 10 mans to get folks geared, and I basically get a repair bill from it only (and frost badges).

We will be starting all guild 25mans next week, so hopefully the past 4-6 weeks of getting folks gear will pay off in that we have experienced and geared full 25man runs.

[Parkbandit]

Yea, we do a 25 man ICC tonight with some folks from another small guild and some pugs. We cleared the first wing pretty easily last week with this new group and hopefully we can press further in tonight.

[AnticorRifling]

What time is that scheduled to start?

I work tonight so I'll be late...if there's a spot for me.

[Alfster]

I've gotta hold out until the end of march before I'll be moving servers back to Dunemaul. Fucking work.

On a side note. I'm fairly geared now!

[TheEschaton]

just linking a healing build I like in case I ever want to go to raid healing on my priest pve, since I haven't seen the build on any site of any sort:

http://www.wowarmory.com/talent-calc.xml?cid=5&tal=0503203130300511300000000000225051032000152430 005001000000000000000000000000000000

[Loyrl]

Wow... nice spec!
/sarcasm
That is horrible for pvp and pve. You go so far into holy you don't even get the good talents that are at the end, and the shielding talents for holy...? You shouldn't shield as holy, the pw:s doesn't even get rapture. There is a reason you haven't seen THAT spec on any sites.

[TheEschaton]

Funny, that's the spec our top priest healer used when I raided in a top server guild. It has a far higher HPS throughput than a pure disc or a pure holy build.

That being said, its obvious drawback is its lack of "oh shit" buttons. No pain suppression, no guardian spirit, but this build is built for pure raid healing throughput. By the way, what're the great talents at the end of holy (past CoH) that are so amazing? Divine Providence? Guardian Spirit (AKA crutch for the weak)? Like I said, this isn't a tank healing spec, it's a raid healing spec. I've seen the effects of the synergy of Spiritual Guidance (holy, +spellpower based on 25% of spirit) and Enlightenment (disc, increase Spirit/haste by 6%) - and that synergy = top heals, lowest overheals. It makes flash heal an amaaaazing spell.

[Loyrl]

Tired and my post I just made didn't make sense after reading it. I like more of the end talents for disc (i dont play my holy spec), grace, da, penance, rapture for mana regen, etc. I hope priests get a bit more interesting in cata.

[TheEschaton]

Yeah, the end talents for disc are pretty sexy, the problem with disc is you need to either MT heal, or be anticipating damage to be effective as a raid healer, maximize bubbles, etc. Grace can only be on one target at a time, so it's not so great in a raid heal build. Since I've never liked tank healing to begin with, and always worked on raid healing when I heal, I was looking for a good raid healing spec. And I found it.

-TheE-

[g++]

Still I can see an awkward vent conversation with your tank popping up from that build. Ok phase 3 we need to chain cooldowns so priest hit me with gaurdian spirit as soon as my shield wall is over. "Oh I dont have that" Oh ok well get me with pain suppression. "Sorry I didnt have the points to get that either". Ok see if there are any other priests on then well try this again.

Just to be clear I am not saying your wrong but raid leaders tend to only care if you can do what they want not so much if your right about HPS throughput imo.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I can't believe you didn't get lightwell.

[Krendeli]

That build, imo, is one of the best hybrid builds out there. It's very close to the one I used when I was my guild's top priest healer.

Maybe I need to start playing him again. I feel pampered healing with my shaman.

[TheEschaton]

Yeah, it's not even a 10 man raiding build, it's a 25, where you have a holy paladin and another priest taking care of the tanks (which we did, in our 25), and you're one of the 3 raid healers.

[Parkbandit]

Yeah, it's not even a 10 man raiding build, it's a 25, where you have a holy paladin and another priest taking care of the tanks (which we did, in our 25), and you're one of the 3 raid healers.

Just get another druid to raid heal.. they are far better at it.

~Bullchip

[TheEschaton]

Scherehazade outhealed our druids all the time.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Scherehazade outhealed our druids all the time.

Don't see that person on the armory, priest with that build I assume?

[Parkbandit]

Scherehazade outhealed our druids all the time.

1) I wasn't playing a druid at the time.
2) He was assigned to main tank healing most of the time... which is pretty damn easy... regardless of build.
3) Druid > priest as raid healer.

[Keller]

3) Druid > priest as raid healer.

4) Rogue with bandages > Bullchip as raid healer.

[TheEschaton]

He was NEVER on tank healing. He was a raid healer.

[TheEschaton]

And he spells it Scheherazade.

[AnticorRifling]

Dremlock put out a new pvp video. Saia gets her own tombstone at the start of the vid.

Youtube it, Dremlock 4. Watching it on my phone right now.

[Nieninque]

Holy shit, Dremlock is awesome.
That brought back many happy memories.

http://www.warcraftmovies.com/movieview.php?id=124291

[TheEschaton]

Man, he's pretty good.

[AnticorRifling]

Can't see it at work strumpet.

[Nieninque]

its the same video, just not on Noobtube, so better quality.

[AnticorRifling]

Ahh. And yes, TheE, he's very good.

[AnticorRifling]

I'm in Ohio at a customer site for today and tomorrow. I'll be on tonight depending on my connection at the hotel, tomorrow I'll probably be driving home which means I'll miss the 25man...which sucks.

We need plague wing cleared this week and should be getting our first look at blood wing as a guild imo.

[Some Rogue]

I hope we fucking clear the plague wing or I might have to start punching people in their livers. Not raiding = no fun.

Hell, I got my hunter to 80 and have been farming heroics because I've been so bored. Need one more heroic to pick up my third piece of T9 heh.

[Liagala]

Why does it have to be maintenance day when I finish a midterm in 10 minutes and have an hour to kill at school???

[Parkbandit]

I hope we fucking clear the plague wing or I might have to start punching people in their livers. Not raiding = no fun.

Hell, I got my hunter to 80 and have been farming heroics because I've been so bored. Need one more heroic to pick up my third piece of T9 heh.

Yea.. I think we need to recruit a solid #2 healer and maybe a solid dps or two. A quality priest healer would be sweet.

[Krendeli]

Hell, I got my hunter to 80 and have been farming heroics because I've been so bored. Need one more heroic to pick up my third piece of T9 heh.

I feel your pain. I just leveled my 5th 80 this week. My first melee class. this game is a whole new perspective now.

[AnticorRifling]

I feel your pain. I just leveled my 5th 80 this week. My first melee class. this game is a whole new perspective now.

3 of my 4 80s are melee....

[Some Rogue]

Only 5?? Heh

[TheEschaton]

That priest from our 25s asked me if we're recruiting. Hopgismoki or something? I didn't know what his healing numbers were like, but a solid third healer would be good. But that means one of our dps would have to sit, as we're currently rolling 2 tanks/2 heals/5 dps/1 hybrid dps/heals.

And I concur, I think if we set a raid time, people should be there - and not giving 4 hour tours of a restaurant.

-TheE-

[AnticorRifling]

That priest from our 25s asked me if we're recruiting. Hopgismoki or something? I didn't know what his healing numbers were like, but a solid third healer would be good. But that means one of our dps would have to sit, as we're currently rolling 2 tanks/2 heals/5 dps/1 hybrid dps/heals.

And I concur, I think if we set a raid time, people should be there - and not giving 4 hour tours of a restaurant.

-TheE-

We can sit/rotate etc. Having some depth is good it means those of us that have to work, family obligations, etc aren't holding the rest of the group up. We are fortunate enough that we don't have a crew that's going to get ass hurt if they don't go to every single raid.

We've got ability to progress decently without getting too hardcore which is nice.

Hopefully I'm on tonight, not sure what hotel they booked me in I haven't checked the reservations but they normally take good care of me here so it should have wireless or at the very least a wired connection.

[Parkbandit]

And I concur, I think if we set a raid time, people should be there - and not giving 4 hour tours of a restaurant.

-TheE-

I let Anticor know I was going to be late and never specified how late I would be.

I cannot be held liable.

[TheEschaton]

We better. To be honest, I'm kinda peeved that in one Tuesday night we cleared to Putricide, had two really good attempts on him the first time we ever saw him, and then never went back the rest of the week.

ETA: You should have been able to discern this by my desire to raid last night CAUSE WE HAD TEN PEOPLE ON.

[AnticorRifling]

The fuck don't push this on me you said I'll be late not "I'm going to be logging in when molten core freezes over". Fuck ass.

[AnticorRifling]

We better. To be honest, I'm kinda peeved that in one Tuesday night we cleared to Putricide, had two really good attempts on him the first time we ever saw him, and then never went back the rest of the week.

ETA: You should have been able to discern this by my desire to raid last night CAUSE WE HAD TEN PEOPLE ON. Sorry but Monday Wed Friday are gym mornings getting serious with it again which means I'm offline @ 11pm Tues/Thurs. So as long as we start at 8:30 we should be fine. It didn't help we were missing bodies Wed and Thurs.

[Parkbandit]

The fuck don't push this on me you said I'll be late not "I'm going to be logging in when molten core freezes over". Fuck ass.

It was still far better than your notice on Wednesday.

WHAT NOW?

[AnticorRifling]

I fell asleep after lifting and then working two jobs. Eat my ass.

[Parkbandit]

I fell asleep after lifting and then working two jobs. Eat my ass.

Translation: My wife said I wasn't allowed to play.

[TheEschaton]

This thread only gets activity on Tuesday mornings.

[Parkbandit]

BECAUSE WE ARE ALL WAITING FOR THE SERVERS TO COME UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[TheEschaton]

I need some caffeine. And a burrito, maybe. So are we raiding tonight? Scramby can't make it, can he?

[Parkbandit]

I need some caffeine. And a burrito, maybe. So are we raiding tonight? Scramby can't make it, can he?

I think Scramby can... but I just found out my wife is going to some jewelry party and she felt it necessary to invite one of the wive's husband to come and watch tv with me. After my wife picked herself off the floor, she said she wasn't sure if he's coming over or now (sorry Reawing)

[TheEschaton]

Maybe we should start getting this Deltwo person involved in our raids. He has a healing offspec.

PS, there's 89 toons in our guild, I'd be surprised if there were more than 20 actual players.

[Parkbandit]

Maybe we should start getting this Deltwo person involved in our raids. He has a healing offspec.

PS, there's 89 toons in our guild, I'd be surprised if there were more than 20 actual players.

15 of them are me :(

[Parkbandit]

And I just got notified the guy's not coming over.. so I'll be there tonight.

[TheEschaton]

I feel like rolling another fail "PvP" Alliance guild.

[TheEschaton]

OGM, servers are up.

[AnticorRifling]

Maybe we should start getting this Deltwo person involved in our raids. He has a healing offspec.

PS, there's 89 toons in our guild, I'd be surprised if there were more than 20 actual players.

Agreed. We should be cycling any anyone that wants to come. I want to kill shit and I want my loot but I want to make sure we've got depth. Take him tonight, I'll be on later and I might hop on vent to listen, won't use the laptop mic because it sounds like ass wrapped in tin foil.

Edit: If my dps trinket drops I will rape the desk lamp at the hotel. Stanley style (which is very fast and with much crying on my part).

[AestheticDeath]

UGH

[AnticorRifling]

DPS meters got you down?

[Some Rogue]

Some things in life are bad
They can really make you mad
Other things just make you swear and curse.
When you're chewing on life's gristle
Don't grumble, give a whistle
And this'll help things turn out for the best...

And...always look on the bright side of life...
Always look on the light side of life...
If life seems jolly rotten
There's something you've forgotten
And that's to laugh and smile and dance and sing.
When you're feeling in the dumps
Don't be silly chumps
Just purse your lips and whistle - that's the thing.

And...always look on the bright side of life...
Always look on the light side of life...
For life is quite absurd
And death's the final word
You must always face the curtain with a bow.
Forget about your sin - give the audience a grin
Enjoy it - it's your last chance anyhow.

So always look on the bright side of death
Just before you draw your terminal breath
Life's a piece of shit
When you look at it
Life's a laugh and death's a joke, it's true.
You'll see it's all a show
Keep 'em laughing as you go
Just remember that the last laugh is on you.

And always look on the bright side of life...
Always look on the right side of life...
(Come on guys, cheer up!)
Always look on the bright side of life...
Always look on the bright side of life...
(Worse things happen at sea, you know.)
Always look on the bright side of life...
(I mean - what have you got to lose?)
(You know, you come from nothing - you're going back to nothing.
What have you lost? Nothing!)
Always look on the right side of life...

[AnticorRifling]

Whenever life gets you down
Keeps you wearing a frown
And the gravy train has left you behind

And when you’re all out of hope
Down at the end of your rope
And nobody’s there to throw you a line

If you ever get so low that you don’t know which way to go
Come on and take a walk in my shoes
Never worry bout a thing, got the world on a string
’Cause I’ve got the cure for all of my blues

I take a look at my enormous penis
And my troubles start a’meltin’ away
I take a look at my enormous penis
And the happy times are comin’ to stay

I gotta sing and I dance
When I glance in my pants
And the feelin’s like a sunshine-y day
I take a look at my enormous penis
And everything is goin’ my way

I take a look at my enormous penis
And my troubles start a’meltin’ away
I take a look at my enormous penis
And the happy times are comin’ to stay

Yeah, I got great big amounts
In the place where it counts
And the feelin’s like a sunshine-y day
I take a look at my enormous penis
And everything is goin’ my way (my trouser monster)
Everything is goin’ my way (my meat is murder)
Everything is goin’ my way (…size doesn’t matter…?)
Everything is goin’ my way

[Some Rogue]

ROFL, I just linked that in chat today.

[AnticorRifling]

haha awesome I'm still at this damn client site and I'm starving AHHHHHHH

[AestheticDeath]

Not sure how it could be just me, but figured I would ask if anyone else is having trouble with sites like wowwiki and wow heroes...

Wowwiki item links don't seem to work at all. And wow heroes, lately hasn't been working either when trying to mouse over items that are equipped or gems etc..

[Some Rogue]

It looks like wow-heroes is working, it's just taking a very very long time to read the info from wowhead. I got about half the items to work and then it timed out and wouldn't load the rest.

[TheEschaton]

WoWwiki has been kinda weird for me. Click on a link, nothing shows up, if I hit back, and click on it again, the page'll pop up.

[AestheticDeath]

Not sure how it could be just me, but figured I would ask if anyone else is having trouble with sites like wowwiki and wow heroes...

Wowwiki item links don't seem to work at all. And wow heroes, lately hasn't been working either when trying to mouse over items that are equipped or gems etc..

I get negative rep for this? Seriously you need to grow up.

[AestheticDeath]

And damn if you guys don't have cheap primordial saronites on Dunemaul. I see them as low as 1300 on AH, do you guys see them cheaper in trade channel?

[Alfster]

On my server they're still going for 1.8-2k.

I'm up about 20k+ in saronite over the last few weeks.

[AnticorRifling]

And damn if you guys don't have cheap primordial saronites on Dunemaul. I see them as low as 1300 on AH, do you guys see them cheaper in trade channel?

They flux from 1.3 to 1.8 in the AH. Trade generally about 1.3-1.5. I'm 5 saronite away from my weapon, slow process for me.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

They flux from 1.3 to 1.8 in the AH. Trade generally about 1.3-1.5. I'm 5 saronite away from my weapon, slow process for me.

What weapon?

[Some Rogue]

Thrash Blade.

[AnticorRifling]

Shadow's Edge.

Basically I just use my three other 80s to farm frost emblems via daily and weekly quests get up to 23 and buy a primordial saronite. I've also had a few people in the guild hook me up with a few.

We pug 25man ICC and prim saronite is open roll so I don't get any that way. But I'll get there. Should be able to buy 2 more tomorrow.

FUCK SHIT BALLS COCK apparently they are going to make bladestorm disarmable in 3.3.3. Great when I'm on my rogue or when another warrior bladestorms me but damnit I liked having one overpowered ability.

And speaking of overpowered holy shit a good pvp disc priest in wrathful gear whooped my ass in a duel. She ended with full health and 16k mana left and I was assed out.

[Parkbandit]

And speaking of overpowered holy shit a good pvp disc priest in wrathful gear whooped my ass in a duel. She ended with full health and 16k mana left and I was assed out.

That was more about being in wrathful and you in Furious than priests being more overpowered than warriors

[AnticorRifling]

That was more about being in wrathful and you in Furious than priests being more overpowered than warriors

I'd disagree, she wasn't in full wrathful just weapons with relentless armor pieces. Now I am using a turd weapon but I'm quickly approaching full relentless so I'm not that far behind on the main armor and most of my accessories are relentless/wrathful. Granted I was on my laptop at work so I wasn't moving as well as I could but damn it wasn't even close. The duel lasted a long time but still the survivability was nuts.

[Parkbandit]

I'd disagree, she wasn't in full wrathful just weapons with relentless armor pieces. Now I am using a turd weapon but I'm quickly approaching full relentless so I'm not that far behind on the main armor and most of my accessories are relentless/wrathful. Granted I was on my laptop at work so I wasn't moving as well as I could but damn it wasn't even close. The duel lasted a long time but still the survivability was nuts.

To be honest.. a duel between Beardedbag and Bullchip would last longer.. with Bullchip winning and I would be almost full of mana at the end. I have very little trouble dealing with warriors.. as long as I stay above the 20% MS threshold.

[AnticorRifling]

To be honest.. a duel between Beardedbag and Bullchip would last longer.. with Bullchip winning and I would be almost full of mana at the end. I have very little trouble dealing with warriors.. as long as I stay above the 20% MS threshold. Execute threshold not MS but I see what you're saying. This was the first time I've actually gone straight 1v1 with a disc priest though and was shocked. It was a long fight but still I thought I'd be able to put more pain down range.

[TheEschaton]

Are you implying something about my abilities as a disc priest???

[AnticorRifling]

Have we ever gone toe to toe? 1v1 way different than 3v3 man.

[Some Rogue]

1v1 way different than 3v3 man.

How about 3v1?

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a64/lrenzo2/untitled-1.jpg

Just how your mother likes it...

[oldanforgotten]

Shadow's Edge.

Basically I just use my three other 80s to farm frost emblems via daily and weekly quests get up to 23 and buy a primordial saronite. I've also had a few people in the guild hook me up with a few.

We pug 25man ICC and prim saronite is open roll so I don't get any that way. But I'll get there. Should be able to buy 2 more tomorrow.

FUCK SHIT BALLS COCK apparently they are going to make bladestorm disarmable in 3.3.3. Great when I'm on my rogue or when another warrior bladestorms me but damnit I liked having one overpowered ability.

And speaking of overpowered holy shit a good pvp disc priest in wrathful gear whooped my ass in a duel. She ended with full health and 16k mana left and I was assed out.

You're best bet against a disc priest as a warrior is to actually use a somewhat crappy weapon, Bryn Troll. That lifestealing proc happens a LOT if you can stay on your target (priest isn't so hard), and not so much for the damage as the 20-25k extra health per minute you can get back. Just be prepared to know that the first person who has to go to the bathroom loses.

[Parkbandit]

Execute threshold not MS but I see what you're saying. This was the first time I've actually gone straight 1v1 with a disc priest though and was shocked. It was a long fight but still I thought I'd be able to put more pain down range.

Yea.. disc priests are easier to duel with than a resto druid, simply because to cast an offensive spell, druids have to pop out of improved tree form... and we have 1 dot (moonfire). Disc priests have 2 dots, an instant cast spell every 12 seconds and a shadowfiend.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I used to play a game a long time ago... where if you really wanted to sack up and pvp, there was an arena you could enter that only allowed one person to leave. It was called a death match, and the person who won, walked out, the person who lost, was deleted.

That was exciting shit, putting all your time, effort and equipment on the line for one single fight. Be neat if there was an equivalent in WoW.

[AestheticDeath]

Shadow's Edge.

Basically I just use my three other 80s to farm frost emblems via daily and weekly quests get up to 23 and buy a primordial saronite. I've also had a few people in the guild hook me up with a few.

We pug 25man ICC and prim saronite is open roll so I don't get any that way. But I'll get there. Should be able to buy 2 more tomorrow.

FUCK SHIT BALLS COCK apparently they are going to make bladestorm disarmable in 3.3.3. Great when I'm on my rogue or when another warrior bladestorms me but damnit I liked having one overpowered ability.

And speaking of overpowered holy shit a good pvp disc priest in wrathful gear whooped my ass in a duel. She ended with full health and 16k mana left and I was assed out.

I am just waiting on my second blood, and then I will have mine. Should be next week.