UGH

[AestheticDeath]

I've gotten good advice from people here that I have used. You seem to forget that. Probably because you weren't the one who gave it.

[Parkbandit]

I've gotten good advice from people here that I have used. You seem to forget that. Probably because you weren't the one who gave it.

http://files.sharenator.com/failmotivationaloi7qq0_Motivational_pictures-s600x480-2482.jpg

[AestheticDeath]

Pretty picture. Helps a ton.

[TheEschaton]

I'm pretty sure I use Divine Plea on every CD, and mitigate it when I can, unless the 50% healing slam is going to kill your tank. The math works out to about 75 mp5 if you blow it on every CD, so it's stupid to pass it up unless you have to. A lot of pally healing is overhealing, so there are only brief periods of fights when you shouldn't be divine plea'ing. For example, I wouldn't use it on Saurfang's frenzy, or when Fester is going to blight the tank after three inhales, or p3 of PP, or when Keleseth is active on Princes (unless you're not healing the ranged tank), or when Sindy is in p3, or when a soul reaper is about to go off on LK. This, of course, is gear dependant. If you find yourself going OOM in these third phases, that's probably when I'd save the CDs to mitigate DP (you should be saving them for these times anyways, for the intense healing situations).

Times TO use divine plea would include bone storm on Marrowgar, right AFTER exhale on Fester, phase transitions on HM PP, etc, etc.

If you have the sense and sensibility of a raider, you would know naturally when these best times are. If, on the other hand, you're used to melee DPS where you just push buttons in a pattern til shit is dead, then you might be in trouble.

(melee DPS is the most retarded segment of your raid, ask Wayne, he plays a DK).

[Nieninque]

Also, just to clarify. I am not some idiot who does not know how to play the game.

ROFL

[Liagala]

Who's the person in here that raids with Assent? I'm almost done collecting souls with Shadow's Edge, and I need to find a 25 man raid that will actually get through Putricide, Blood Queen, and Sindragosa.

[AnticorRifling]

It's Sinax. You can't afford it because in order to get those that would require them to not run those ecounters on HM (you're not doing infusions with a pug on HM).

Same reason my infusions aren't done/won't be done.

[TheEschaton]

Silentscreem is an Assent DK who runs a pug every Saturday, your best bet would be to try and get in his pug. I don't think they're doing that many hard modes.

[AnticorRifling]

I pretty much gave up because after the infusions is 50 shards then an 25m LK kill. By the time I get 50 shards we'll all be lvl 100.

[Liagala]

Silentscreem is an Assent DK who runs a pug every Saturday, your best bet would be to try and get in his pug. I don't think they're doing that many hard modes.
I'll hunt him down then. It's worth a shot, at least.


I pretty much gave up because after the infusions is 50 shards then an 25m LK kill. By the time I get 50 shards we'll all be lvl 100.
I figure this is my only chance at a legendary I can use between now and level 100. Even if I finish the thing so late that quest greens are 3x better, I want to finish it on principle.
Edit: The LK kill isn't required. You get Shadowmourne after the shards. The last quest is just for lootz.

[SHAFT]

Also, just to clarify. I am not some idiot who does not know how to play the game. Some things are new to me, and I like to get various viewpoints. When I ask a question, like say about divine plea, it is to get feedback, and perhaps try out some strategy I have not seen/heard about before. It doesn't mean I don't know how to hit the fucking button, or that I use it every CD and want to know what my problem is. Me asking how you do something doesn't mean I want to imitate you or take every thing you say and make it my own. I'm just seeing what if any alternatives there are to what I am doing. And, I might, just maybe, find out I am doing something wrong.

Take one of the first questions I had here, about the best AOE spec for low level trash. You came in and said unholy, cause it is the highest AOE spec... for raids. I said that doesn't work for me, and you called me an idiot cause I wanted to use something else. You couldn't understand that the trash I was trying to kill efficiently, would have died before I could even put up two diseases and spread them. I would have wound up trying to kill everything with icy touch and sometimes get to plague strike. One thing at a time, and no AOE to it. Unholy was useless, you just couldn't understand it. Not my fault. I found my own spec/strategy, and was able to use it to actually AOE, and kill a large group of trash with one set of runes or less, and not have to rest afterwards for lack of health. It's called farming, and it doesn't really work the same way as raids... This trash doesn't have 100k health a piece. Or whatever.

As to my last question, I got my paladin to 80 3 days ago, I had my first raid last night, and all was peachy for the most part until blood queen, and I had run out of mana because I was having to spam holy light too much. None of the other fights up to that point were that mana intensive.

So I was wondering if any of you who actually play a holy paladin, use something like avenging wrath to mitigate the negative effects of divine plea, or if you don't bother using it that way. I have not done it, but saw it on EJ, and wanted to know how it worked for others if you had used it that way. I don't post on EJ, or I would have asked them. And if you use it ever, are there certain fights, or just when you deem it necessary. Obviously if we had gotten to valithra, that wouldn't be a good strat, I'd have to plea while inside the portal, and then wait for BL to stack my healing CDs.

When will it stop? You continuously bash your head against the wall in here.

[AnticorRifling]

Take one of the first questions I had here, about the best AOE spec for low level trash. You came in and said unholy, cause it is the highest AOE spec... for raids. I said that doesn't work for me, and you called me an idiot cause I wanted to use something else. You couldn't understand that the trash I was trying to kill efficiently, would have died before I could even put up two diseases and spread them. I would have wound up trying to kill everything with icy touch and sometimes get to plague strike. One thing at a time, and no AOE to it. Unholy was useless, you just couldn't understand it. Not my fault. I found my own spec/strategy, and was able to use it to actually AOE, and kill a large group of trash with one set of runes or less, and not have to rest afterwards for lack of health. It's called farming, and it doesn't really work the same way as raids... This trash doesn't have 100k health a piece. Or whatever.
.

GA DERP DERP Use one disease, spread it, kill that mob, second mob use the other disease, spread it. Now guess what?!! Every other mob has both da diseases on them, they're dead and it's under one set of runes. It's called farming and not being fucking dumb. Or whatever.

[AestheticDeath]

i did that some, wasn't my favored method

[AnticorRifling]

CHOMP CHOMP CHEWIE CHOMP.

[Nieninque]

i did that some, wasn't my favored method


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAAHAHAHAH AHAHAHahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaastupidcunt

[Nieninque]

In before "Yeah whatever, I PLAY IT HOW I WANT!!!!!11111"


I would also like to point out that I called it.

Again.

[Alfster]

Edit: The LK kill isn't required. You get Shadowmourne after the shards. The last quest is just for lootz.


Next week we'll be starting on our fourth Shadowmourne. It's brutally long to get 50 shards even when doing 11 hard modes a week. I honestly don't think you'll be able to get one through pugging, but best of luck to you.

[AnticorRifling]

Next week we'll be starting on our fourth Shadowmourne. It's brutally long to get 50 shards even when doing 11 hard modes a week. I honestly don't think you'll be able to get one through pugging, but best of luck to you.

Reported for not taking me with you fucker.

[Methais]

i did that some, wasn't my favored method

Seriously...stop asking for advice.

[Alfster]

Reported for not taking me with you fucker.

I sent my mage back to the other server again.

And sadly. The only achievement I don't have for the 25 man drake is the gunship one. The easiest one I still have not completed.

[TheEschaton]

Can't convince them to do it again for you? :P

[Alfster]

I'll have it on Wednesday. It's bugged out the last two weeks.

[TheEschaton]

So, I dropped my laptop and it won't stay on for more than 30 seconds now. Official hobo status: achieved. Won't be around for awhile in game, though I'll try and check in here occasionally.

-TheE-

[AnticorRifling]

Dude you're worthless.

[4a6c1]

....

Get well theE's computer.

[Parkbandit]

So, I dropped my laptop and it won't stay on for more than 30 seconds now. Official hobo status: achieved. Won't be around for awhile in game, though I'll try and check in here occasionally.

-TheE-

Can't you just make a call for a new one?

[TheEschaton]

I live in someone else's house, and I wanted my next purchase to be an actual gaming desktop. Not the ideal place to set up a gaming rig.

[Parkbandit]

I live in someone else's house, and I wanted my next purchase to be an actual gaming desktop. Not the ideal place to set up a gaming rig.

Just get a job imo. Time to put your love of all things liberal aside for a moment and get a capitalistic job and get your shit straight. Once you game those evil capitalists for a few hundred thousand large, then you can go back to hating on the system again.

[TheEschaton]

So, I decided to sell all my shit on the AH in anticipation of the new expansion and all this shit being worthless. I think I'm gonna crash the AH, I put about 100 abyss crystals, 300 dream shards, probably around 600 greater cosmic essence, and, I believe the precise measurement is a "metric fuckton" of infinite dust.

Buy my shit.

-TheE-

[TheEschaton]

I'll also be putting most of my gems and shit up in the next few days, so if there's anything you want, let me know.

I have over 130 frozen orbs, lots of epic gems, a shitton of green and blue quality gems, quite a few eternals. Plus, I'm sure all these enchanting mats won't all sell in the next day, so I'll have leftover shit there too.

-TheE-

[4a6c1]

^Ummmmmm. I want anything that would be cool for a lvl 70 hunter. Thanks. I cant tell you what that is because I dont know yet. Thanks again.

[Nieninque]

I don't think he can give you another ten levels. You have to do that yourself.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

And 70-80 should go lightning fast for you too, compared to the grind up to there.

[Kyra231]

And 70-80 should go lightning fast for you too, compared to the grind up to there.

Not having an 80 already to get northrend flying faster isn't going to be the fun part for her(unless something has changed, I deactivated a while back). I actually hated 70-80 on all my toons the most, then again I'm not one for questing if I can get away with it.

[g++]

Im prolly gonna re-install and play alil this weekend, any of you guys still logging in?

[4a6c1]

I don't think he can give you another ten levels. You have to do that yourself.

Whoa whoa. I actually want to see and experience EVERYTHING, it's part of the fun for me. That was really just a whorish attempt at neat things that sound fun because they are from an abyss or a dream and they are epic and eternal.

[Parkbandit]

Im prolly gonna re-install and play alil this weekend, any of you guys still logging in?

Yea.. I reinstated one of my accounts. Playing Bayne to level 80 currently. I had my appendix out a week ago, so I haven't been online much lately.. but feeling much better now so hopefully I'll get him to 80 by next weekish.

[Parkbandit]

And 70-80 should go lightning fast for you too, compared to the grind up to there.

Do you have any idea how long it's taken Rojo to get her hunter up to the current level?

It's measured in years....... years.

[g++]

Yea.. I reinstated one of my accounts. Playing Bayne to level 80 currently. I had my appendix out a week ago, so I haven't been online much lately.. but feeling much better now so hopefully I'll get him to 80 by next weekish.

I hit a little snag, seems theres some kind of hatred going on between my wireless card and my router. I never really noticed before but trying to download WoW brought it out. Prolly still be back but I gotta figure this card thing out this weekend :(. Ill be playing my mage, gonna try to grind emblems for cata

[Parkbandit]

I hit a little snag, seems theres some kind of hatred going on between my wireless card and my router. I never really noticed before but trying to download WoW brought it out. Prolly still be back but I gotta figure this card thing out this weekend :(. Ill be playing my mage, gonna try to grind emblems for cata

Man.. I have to read up on the changes for Cata... since I have no idea why you would be grinding out emblems.

I heard the changes to hunters is pretty nice. I copied Falgrin to the PRT server to take a look.

[g++]

When cata releases all your badges will be in turned into justice points or some shit. Which you can use to buy the starter gear. So you can horde emblems of frost and buy a shit load of level 85 gear as soon as your done leveling apparently.

[AnticorRifling]

Sweet I'll start saving them on Dach, was just buying prim saronites and hocking them. I'll just continue to do that on the other guys.

Got me a heroic bryntoll last night w00t.

[g++]

We’ve revised the Justice Points conversion rate for Emblems of Triumph and Emblems of Frost. When the upcoming 4.0.1 patch goes live, these emblems will be converted into 11.58 Justice Points (up from the previously planned 2.75 Justice Points per emblem). Justice Points accrued above the soft cap of 4,000 will be converted to gold at a rate of 47.5 silver per point (down from 2 gold per point) when patch 4.0.3 goes live.

The original explanation thread (http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/th...Id=26850245012 (http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=26850245012)) and the subsequent conversion math update (http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/th...&pageNo=10#184 (http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=26850245012&sid=1&pageNo=10#184)) have been updated to reflect these changes.

[...] The previous conversion rate was intended to devalue Frost and Triumph a bit to discourage some amount of farming and hoarding of points before the conversion, but then we came to the conclusion that no matter what we do people would be farming well above the softcap, and we shouldn't try to make it more difficult for them to do so.


So 4000/12 = 333 badges per toon by december heh

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Yea.. I reinstated one of my accounts. Playing Bayne to level 80 currently. I had my appendix out a week ago, so I haven't been online much lately.. but feeling much better now so hopefully I'll get him to 80 by next weekish.

Welcome back man, glad to hear all is well. Was it unexpected or a planned surgery?

[TheEschaton]

between frost and triumph, I already have most of that on my toons. 333 badges, psh.

Hunter changes look pro. I think you'll enjoy it PB, BM is the top tree again, you can break out your devilsaur.

The best part is that exotic pets bring different buffs to the raid now. I think the Devilsaur is 5% melee crit (so enhance shaman/feral druid buff), and I do remember that the fucking core hound has Bloodlust. Which is awesome. Plus, your stable holds like 30 pets, with 5 active at any time, and you can call any of the 5 at any time from anywhere. Don't believe there's a CD, but I didn't copy my hunter, just from what I've read.

-TheE-

[TheEschaton]

Also, I believe patch 4.0.1 is coming out waaaaay before Cata, like in the next few weeks, so people can test/theorycraft/etc the new talent trees.

[Liagala]

So 4000/12 = 333 badges per toon by december heh


When the upcoming 4.0.1 patch goes live, these emblems will be converted into 11.58 Justice Points

It'll be a lot sooner than December.

[g++]

They are going to lift the level restriction before cata is released?

[TheEschaton]

No, 4.0.1 will only have non-exclusive Cata changes. So you'll have the new talent trees, but be missing 5 points (that you'll get from 81-85).

[g++]

No, 4.0.1 will only have non-exclusive Cata changes. So you'll have the new talent trees, but be missing 5 points (that you'll get from 81-85).


Mmm well if they release the vendors but not the content I guess there really isnt a cap at all on badge grinding cause you can turn the shit in and get the gear immediately.

[TheEschaton]

That would be considered content exclusive to Cataclysm, I'd imagine. From a post I found on MMO champion:

Basically:

•Classes changes are up, new talent builds, new glyphs (not fully implemented yet), etc ...
•Revamped old zones are NOT available
•New graphics (textures, water effects) are NOT available
•Archaeology is NOT available
•Guild leveling is NOT available
•Flying in Azeroth is NOT available
•New content is NOT available

I think that's enough to answer 95% of the questions about this.

[g++]

Well its still pretty much 345 badges by december than. Even if they do the conversion next week you still will be capped at 4k till Dec and earn 12/frost badge.

[TheEschaton]

it's 12 per frost AND triumph, which makes it retarded easy to do.

[g++]

Good im not really a fan of grinding worthless bullshit.

[AnticorRifling]

No, 4.0.1 will only have non-exclusive Cata changes. So you'll have the new talent trees, but be missing 5 points (that you'll get from 81-85).

Do you remember right before TBC when the talents were out, holy hell it was OP as fuck. Same right before wrath. PvP was insane and raiding was like oh hey look we killed stuff while we were buffing and still outside the instance.

[Some Rogue]

That is one reason they are stopping the arena season now. PvP is going to be retarded for a couple months. Unfortunately, PvE for me is going to be retarded in the opposite direction making it almost useless to try.

[TheEschaton]

I hear ret is going to be crazy though, Nekk. Go ret.

[Some Rogue]

Crazy as in bad? Because it's the worst pvp spec and one of the worst pve right now.

[TheEschaton]

Worst if you're bad, but I believe it has holy power coming out of the yin-yang.

[Jhynnifer]

I remember the changes to CoH just before the expansion. For the first two days it made killing KJ ridiculously fun, then it just got so boring spamming one button for four hours.


I am excited about not raiding anymore when 4.0 hits. Fuck Lich King, seriously. New content is about four months overdue. I thought farming BT for 6 months waiting for Sunwell to come out was bad. =(

[Liagala]

Worst if you're bad, but I believe it has holy power coming out of the yin-yang.
You only get holy power if you can hit the fuckers. This is something of a problem when your dispel only does poison/disease now. Everyone and their brother slows you, so you get kited around the field until you die with no holy power while everyone laughs at you.

It's better in PvE, because monsters haven't learned to kite players yet, but still nowhere near what it is now.

[Some Rogue]

From a pretty well respected Ret on MMO:




Originally Posted by Vanderhuge
From those parse, I see Drain Soul critting for 50K - Req, how hard was HoW critting, if you've been using it at all?


I'll try to get an idea of HoW damage/crits see what I can find out. But I'll tell you we are not on the level of Warlock Damage, If you take every class take the same skill player and same gear level on all of them currently in beta right now this is what you are likely to see.


1. Warlock
2. Ele Shaman
3. Boomkin
5. Mage
6. Hunter
7. Death Knight
8. S Priest
9. Rogue
10. Warrior
11. Ret



If RNG is good to you, you can do ok damage apparently. But otherwise, you're pretty low and there is a massive ramp up time that makes target switching just kill your dps.

[Liagala]

If RNG is good to you, you can do ok damage apparently. But otherwise, you're pretty low and there is a massive ramp up time that makes target switching just kill your dps.

This. I was looking for the post to copy from, but I saw somewhere a pretty good ret pally in Beta doing 6 - 8k dps while standing next to a pair of locks pulling 13k. Similar gear/skill.

[TheEschaton]

So, I'm levelling my warlock first, eh?

[Parkbandit]

Welcome back man, glad to hear all is well. Was it unexpected or a planned surgery?

Completely unexpected. I was at the mall eating lunch with the Mrs. and felt fine. By 2pm, I was feeling nauseous and by 4pm I was puking. I felt a little better later last Thursday night, but the next day I ended up getting weird abdomen aches and a fever. By 6PM, I was on my way to the Emergency Room and by midnight, I was in emergency surgery for a ruptured appendix.

Now, for some reason.. things I enjoyed eating and drinking like pumpkin pie and coffee taste differently... weirdest thing. Hopefully, it's a side effect from the anesthesia and will eventually go away. Today's really the first day I'm up and about and not feeling like complete shit.

[g++]

From a pretty well respected Ret on MMO:




If RNG is good to you, you can do ok damage apparently. But otherwise, you're pretty low and there is a massive ramp up time that makes target switching just kill your dps.


Why even bother talking about what dps looks like right now its obviously going to be tweaked like crazy before december. Their not going to leave friggin rogues in the bottom half of dps. I bet hunters get a huge bump too since they seem to be the love child of the expansion.

[4a6c1]

Do you have any idea how long it's taken Rojo to get her hunter up to the current level?

It's measured in years....... years.

Actually like....4 MONTHS but it's ok. Counting gets harder with the years......the years.

(OH YEAH)

[4a6c1]

Completely unexpected. I was at the mall eating lunch with the Mrs. and felt fine. By 2pm, I was feeling nauseous and by 4pm I was puking. I felt a little better later last Thursday night, but the next day I ended up getting weird abdomen aches and a fever. By 6PM, I was on my way to the Emergency Room and by midnight, I was in emergency surgery for a ruptured appendix.

Now, for some reason.. things I enjoyed eating and drinking like pumpkin pie and coffee taste differently... weirdest thing. Hopefully, it's a side effect from the anesthesia and will eventually go away. Today's really the first day I'm up and about and not feeling like complete shit.

Ok now I feel bad making fun of your age. :weird:

Hope you feel better soon.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Actually like....4 MONTHS but it's ok. Counting gets harder with the years......the years.

(OH YEAH)

It took me 8 months to get to 80 on my first toon. I thoroughly enjoyed questing, exploring new places, stuff like that. The game totally changes when you hit the level cap though - in a good way.

[TheEschaton]

yeah, you get to talk to us in vent more often, and have us yell at you when you fuck up something, cause then it affects us too.

[4a6c1]

Yeah that has already been happening with the late night players. And mostly my reaction has been to turn myself into a pvp machine because I like to be gud @ stuf.

[Some Rogue]

Why even bother talking about what dps looks like right now its obviously going to be tweaked like crazy before december. Their not going to leave friggin rogues in the bottom half of dps. I bet hunters get a huge bump too since they seem to be the love child of the expansion.


Hunters are already doing retarded damage. They should be toned down if anything since their pets are soloing people. And it's worth talking about since these changes are going to go live in a week or two.

[Kainen]

Hunters are already doing retarded damage. They should be toned down if anything since their pets are soloing people. And it's worth talking about since these changes are going to go live in a week or two.

I need to learn how to hunter.. I have always been kinda a huntard in PVP but great in raids.

[4a6c1]

Hunter is eeeeasy. Glad I picked it for my first. But hunter PvP takes alot of dying to be good at. And I dont know if this is normal for all classes but I have to fire my shots in a specific order or I dont pwn. And also I save disengage for death knights and I love hunters mark so much soooooo much. Readiness is cool too. I use it in conjunction with rapid fire.

/runonsentence

[AnticorRifling]

Hunter is eeeeasy. Glad I picked it for my first. But hunter PvP takes alot of dying to be good at. And I dont know if this is normal for all classes but I have to fire my shots in a specific order or I dont pwn. And also I save disengage for death knights and I love hunters mark so much soooooo much. Readiness is cool too. I use it in conjunction with rapid fire.

/runonsentence

Most classes do better when they execute abilities in a specific order rather than just hit the buttons that light up.

If you're survival and Lock and Load procs you get more bang for your buck (lol explosive shot) if you use ES, AS, ES instead of AS, ES, DERP OH SHIT NOW WUT.

But yeah most classes are like that. Problem is the majority of casual players don't know their class or understand that pvp and pve are handled differently.

But don't worry with enough screaming on vent I'll get you where you need to be...(after all I had saia yelling at me enough in some weird island language).

[Liagala]

Ok now I feel bad making fun of your age. :weird:

Hope you feel better soon.
I hope you feel better soon too, but I don't feel the least bit bad making fun of your age. Rest up, old folks heal more slowly. :lol:

[Keller]

(after all I had saia yelling at me enough in some weird island language).
:rofl:

[AestheticDeath]

so emblems get turned into justice points, but 4000 points doesn't sound like all that much

any idea what you can actually buy with that? hope it is not a similar rate of honor points per pvp item or something like that

[Kainen]

But yeah most classes are like that. Problem is the majority of casual players don't know their class or understand that pvp and pve are handled differently.

But don't worry with enough screaming on vent I'll get you where you need to be...(after all I had saia yelling at me enough in some weird island language).

That's totally me, so when I started my drood I did a lot of research. lucky for me, the guild I am in is all casual so all my mistakes when we went on raids were tolerated and ruthlessly made fun of.

[Nieninque]

But don't worry with enough screaming on vent I'll get you where you need to be...(after all I had saia yelling at me enough in some weird island language).

:)

I miss those days. Wow has never been funner.

[Parkbandit]

:)

I miss those days. Wow has never been funner.

/agree

[AestheticDeath]

When cata releases all your badges will be in turned into justice points or some shit. Which you can use to buy the starter gear. So you can horde emblems of frost and buy a shit load of level 85 gear as soon as your done leveling apparently.

I think you were a bit misinformed. But I could be wrong. I am under the impression current badges get turned into Justice, which can be used for current gear. Cataclysm daily heroic, and the raids, will award Valor points, which can be used for the Cataclysm gear.

But if there is a link somewhere stating you can buy lvl 85 shit with the 'old' justice points, I would love to see it.

And just because I am looking at it right now, I'ma paste this for future ease of access.

Cataclysm -- Justice Point Drop Quantities
Although we’ve revealed some details of the conversion process (https://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=14574620794&sid=1), many of you have asked how many Justice and Valor Points bosses and daily dungeons will actually award. This list is incomplete, and the values may still change, but it covers the majority of the content we’ve been asked about.


* Lich King Heroic dungeon boss -- 16 Justice Points
* Lich King daily normal dungeon -- 12 Justice Points
* Lich King daily Heroic dungeon -- 23 Justice Points
* Lich King raid boss -- 23 Justice Points

* Cataclysm Heroic dungeon boss -- 75 Justice Points
* Cataclysm daily normal dungeon -- 75 Justice Points
* Cataclysm daily Heroic dungeon -- 75 Valor Points
* Cataclysm 10-player raid boss -- 75 Valor Points
* Cataclysm 25-player raid boss -- 105 Valor Points


It’s important to note that once you outgrow content, by leveling past it by a predetermined amount, you’ll no longer gain points. The ‘outgrown’ level for end-game Wrath of the Lich King content is likely to be level 81. Once you level beyond Lich King content you’ll still be able to enter the dungeons, kill bosses, and see their drops, but they will not award you with points. This same principle applies to all content that provides Justice Points, including content from The Burning Crusade.
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And from the link in that quote.


While we previously announced that there's a limit to the amount of these new currencies you can stockpile, we're providing a grace period in the form of a soft cap. This soft cap will allow the initial conversion to push the amount owned over the cap, but will not allow any further points to be earned (or returned through item refunds) until enough points are spent to put you below the hard cap.

For instance, a player has 3000 Emblems of Triumph, and 1200 Emblems of Frost; at the time of conversion they'll be given 4200 Justice Points. The hard cap for Justice Points is 4000, so that player won't be able to earn any more Justice Points until he or she spends enough points to reduce the total to under 4000. This also applies to the new PvP Honor Points, which also have a cap of 4000.

Shortly before Cataclysm is released, another patch will enforce the hard cap, marking the second stage of the currency conversion. Any Justice or Honor Points above the hard cap will be converted to gold, and just like in the first stage of the conversion, the player will receive an in-game letter explaining that some of their currencies were converted into gold as well as delivering the gold itself.

[TheEschaton]

That doesn't suggest that Justice points are only for pre-Cata gear. I imagine justice points will be what people farm before they raid, and the Valor points be for actual current-tier raid gear. The new system allows the current valor point stuff to easily be switched to justice points, and the new current tier gear to be valor in future patches, instead of having to create a whole new badge.

BTW, is that math really bad, or is it just me? 4200 badges at 11.58 a badge (which was quoted earlier) would be 48,636 justice points. Whoever has that many badges is insane, though.



If you're survival and Lock and Load procs you get more bang for your buck (lol explosive shot) if you use ES, AS, ES instead of AS, ES, DERP OH SHIT NOW WUT.


If you want to be really specific, it takes 2 seconds for ES to tick fully, and 1.5 seconds for the GCD, it's actually higher DPS to just wait the extra .5 for the explosive shot to expire and fire off the next explosive shot. So ES, wait .5, ES, wait .5, ES. The only shot weaving you should do is when kill shot is up, at which point it's ES, KS, ES, wait .5, ES.

-TheE-

[4a6c1]

Awesome.

[Liagala]

4.0.1 confirmed tomorrow. Yay?

[Methais]

Are there any cataclysm talent calculators up yet? My PC is in the shop for the next day or 2 and searching for anything on my phone makes me wanna play chicken with a tablesaw.

[Parkbandit]

4.0.1 Patch notes.

Cataclysm Systems Patch

World of Warcraft: Cataclysm will be in stores on December 7, 2010 and the time has come to prep for the official launch by implementing its first major patch. Players can experience many major game and user interface systems updates in the first official patch for the upcoming third expansion, patch 4.0.1.

General
•Cataclysm Launcher Update
◦The new Cataclysm Launcher allows you to stream game data while you play. This will reduce the time you spend downloading, installing, and patching World of Warcraft. We'd like to get your feedback on the toolset and gameplay experience. Please head to the forums here for additional information: http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=14574501095&sid=1


•Reforging
◦Players can now visit special Reforging NPCs in capital cities located near Enchanting trainers. 40% of any one secondary stat on an item can be can be allocated to add a new secondary stat to the item. The stat being added cannot already exist on the item. An item cannot have more than one reforged stat at a time, though the Reforging of an item can be undone and changed.

Dungeons & Raids
•Flexible Raid Lock System
◦Icecrown Citadel and Ruby Sanctum now use the new Flexible Raid Lock system. This system provides the opportunity for a character to defeat each raid zone's encounters once a week. A character may now complete the encounters during the week with different raids of either 10 or 25 players.

◦Learn more about this feature by visiting our official forums here: http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=14713237976&sid=1


•Icecrown Citadel
◦The Chill of the Throne effect has been removed.

Currency
•PvE Currency Changes
◦All Emblems of Frost and Emblems of Triumph have been converted to new Justice Points.

◦Any dungeon or raid which awarded these emblems will reward Justice Points instead. Anything below Emblems of Triumph, including badges from The Burning Crusade dungeon and raid content, have been converted into gold and sent to players via the in-game mail system.

◦Any bosses players defeat that are level-appropriate to them award Justice Points.

◦All items that previously cost emblems or badges of any type now cost Justice Points.

◦Higher-tier Valor Points will be awarded to players who kill dungeon and raid bosses in the latest tier of PvE content after the launch of Cataclysm.


•PvP Currency Changes
◦All Arena Points, Honor Points, Battleground Marks of Honor, Stone Keeper's Shards, Venture Coins, and Spirit Shards have been converted into new Honor Points.

◦Honor Points will be awarded instead of these currencies, with the exception of Arena Points.

◦Higher-tier Conquest Points will be awarded to players competing in each of the latest Arena or Rated Battleground seasons after the launch of Cataclysm.


•For more information on the changes to the currencies and conversion rates for each type, please visit our Cataclysm forum: http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=14574620792&sid=1

Classes: General
•Many class talents, spells, and abilities have been overhauled, added, or removed.

•All spell and ability tooltips will now display damage averages rather than minimum and maximum damage potential. This feature is on by default but can be changed via the Display settings under User Interface options.

•Ammo has been removed from the game.

•The character levels at which classes gain new spells and abilities have changed.

•Many item and class stats have been changed or removed.

•Mastery rating has been added as a new stat which provides unique benefits for characters based on class and talent specialization. Mastery rating does not currently exist on items in the game, however, Reforging can be used to add Mastery rating as a secondary stat to existing items.

•Rage has been normalized.

•Spells and abilities no longer have multiple ranks and now scale with character level.

•Talent trees have been altered. All player talent specializations have been reset, allowing for free re-specialization.
◦Each specialization has been reduced to a 31-point talent tree.

◦Players will now get a total of 41 talent points to spend.

◦Players will be asked to choose a specialization at level 10. Doing so will result in the unlocking of a spell or ability unique to that specialization, as well as one or more passive bonuses.

◦Once a talent specialization has been chosen, players may only place points in the primary tree until at least 31 points have been spent there.

◦The initial announcement regarding these talent tree changes can be found on our Cataclysm forum: http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=13817049255&sid=1

Death Knights
•A dedicated tanking tree (Blood) has been implemented.

•The effects of Blood Presence and Frost Presence have been exchanged.

•The way in which runes recharge has changed.

Druids
•A new Eclipse mechanic has been added for druids.

Hunters
•Five pets can now be stored with the hunter at all times. Any one of these five pets can be summoned via the Call Pet ability.

•Focus has replaced mana as a new resource.

•Hunters now start with a pet at level 1.

•The Stable will now store 20 pets. If a pet is moved into the Stable, its talents are wiped.

Mages
•There is now a new spell fly-out UI feature for mage portals. Clicking on the Teleport or Portal buttons will expand the list of choices available.

Paladins
•Paladins now have a new resource bar.

Warlocks
•There is now a new spell fly-out UI feature for warlock pets. Clicking on this single button will open up the list of available pets to summon.

•Soul Shards have been removed from the game as items. Instead, they now exist as a resource system necessary for using, or altering the mechanics of certain spells.

Items
•Resilience no longer reduces the chance a player will be critically hit by an opponent.

•Durability: cloth, leather, and mail now have as many points of durability as plate, making the repair cost on death much closer to equal for all classes.

Professions
•The glyph system has been updated to now feature three different types of glyphs. Many class glyphs have been added, altered, or moved to different glyph types.

User Interface
•Spell Alerts have been added to notify players when procs on select spells and abilities occur. A visual notification will display around the character and the activated ability will be highlighted on the action bar.

•The Guild Interface has been redesigned to incorporate additional functionality, including new sorting and organizational options.

•The Arena Teams pane has been improved.

•The Character pane has been redesigned. Character stats can now be shown or hidden via the Show All Details/Hide All Details button on the bottom left. When shown, all character stats will be visible in a window to the right of the pane. Stat sections can be reorganized by clicking and dragging them up or down the pane.

•The Professions panes now have more filtering and search functionality, as well as buttons to easily link recipes in the chat frame.

•A Professions screen has been added to the Spellbook to better display the details of a character's primary and secondary professions.

•Many of the yellow System Messages that would display in the chat frame when leveling up have been removed.

•New text animations now alert players as they level up, also providing information on when new talents, spells and abilities are available.

•Professions and Class Trainers windows have been altered to more clearly display available and upcoming purchases.

•New Raid frames are now available. They can also be used in place of the standard 5-player party interface via the User Interface options.

•The Spellbook interface has been improved for greater ease-of-use and visual appeal.

•For additional notes on Lua and XML changes please visit the UI & Macros Forum: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/board.html?sid=1&forumId=11114

Graphics
•Improved water and lava rendering system (Video Options - Liquid Detail on the Graphics Panel)

•Dynamic Sunshafts effect (Video Options - Sunshafts on the Graphics Panel)

•Multi-monitor support (Video Options - Monitor on the Graphics Panel)

•OpenGL Hardware Cursor support for Windows (Video Options - Hardware Cursor on the Advanced Panel)

•Experimental support for DX11 (enabled by passing '-d3d11' on the command line or adding SET gxApi "d3d11" to the Config.WTF file)

________________________________________________


So, what good is resilence now?

[Keller]

So, what good is resilence now?

I think I'm missing something, but what makes you think it is not good for anything?

[Methais]

Resilience still reduces damage, just not crit chance.

I like this change. Being a frost Mage with something like a 10-15% non-shatter crit chance against high resilience was pretty beef Wellington.


◦Players will now get a total of 41 talent points to spend.

:wtf:

[Nieninque]

:wtf:

They are ditching all the filler talents that you didnt really want to get but had to on the way to something good.

[AnticorRifling]

Chill of the throne affect removed? Holy hell that's hilarious.

[4a6c1]

Five pets.....no ammo....no mana.

:spaz:

BRAIN ASPLODE

[Methais]

They are ditching all the filler talents that you didnt really want to get but had to on the way to something good.

I didn't realize they were also reducing the amount of talent points too though. I thought we'd have 76 points at 85 and be able to make some ridiculous builds with all the useless stuff out of the way.

I guess it'll make more sense when I'm able to see the new trees.

[Parkbandit]

Patch up now.... and it takes forever.

[RichardCranium]

Patch up now.... and it takes forever.


About 65% now, 45 minutes in.

[AnticorRifling]

Started it before I left for work, hoping it is done when I get home and my computer didn't go to sleep or anything fun.

[TheEschaton]

http://cata.wowhead.com/talent

For the talent calculators, if anyone wants it.

[TheEschaton]

I think the crappiest part is that you need to spend 31 points in a primary tree before the other two are unlocked. No more hybrid builds. :(

[AnticorRifling]

No more "Drew" specs? Thank God!

[TheEschaton]

No more hybrid CoH holy/disc spec, is what it means.

[TheEschaton]

BTW, after seeing some of the changes to warriors (both Fury/Prot), I think I might level my warrior.

[AnticorRifling]

We need to decide (we've only got 2 months to dicker with the changes zomg)

Chaincreep is leveling his priest (shadow) to be his main in cata.
Falgrin is waffling between elemental shaman, tree druid, hunter, holes in his abdomen, etc.
I think SR will be going away from prot paladin.


I'd prefer to lvl the DK, only because I'm achieve whoring on him. I can go blood (prot) if needed that's fine with me.

Anzu will probably be 71 when cata is released.


Edit to add: I actually haven't looked at any of the class changes (to include DK) I know I get a necrotic strike eventually, that's it. I'll probably have to do my homework (print off a bunch of shit to read during lunch).
I want to make sure when we all hit 85 we've got a viable group to get in and do work.

[TheEschaton]

Well, we're losing a healer to be DPS (Chain), though we can force him to make his second spec disc or something.

Possibly losing our tree druid if Falgrin doesn't pick it.

Losing a tank.

So we're basically losing our two main healers, and one of our main tanks, and I'm still undecided.

This is my thought process:
1) I want to level my priest because he's my achievment whore...shadow/disc.
2) I want to level my druid because he's been my main for awhile and bear tanking doesn't look like it's gonna be nerfed that bad.
3) This is where I want to level a bunch of shit: either my shaman, my warrior, or my rogue. Preference: rogue -> warrior -> shaman right now.

So any of those three options are fine with me. Are Drew/Thomas/Scramby, etc, gonna be around during Cata? Their play time has understandably fallen off a cliff since we stopped raiding. Is Dora playing ret or switching?

-TheE-

[AnticorRifling]

Scramby yes - he'll stay hunter
Thomas yes - he'll stay boomkin
Drew yes - no idea what he'll play


Maz can tank, he does ok but he's not on the level of you and rennoc.

[TheEschaton]

Eh, I think warrior tanks were lagging behind in general, though he did get hit like he was a wet paper towel. They should be sickening in Cata though.

So if we have:

hunter
boomkin
probably DPS from Drew
probably DPS from Dora
spriest from Mike

That's 5 dps right there, with 2 tanks and 2 heals and a possible dual specced heal/dps left.

I can fill any of those roles, you could only really be a tank, unless we get Mike to be the dual spec dps/heals, yeah....looks like we're all gonna be filling the same roles, if not the same classes. :P

[Some Rogue]

I don't like the paladin changes much but I am willing to give it a shot. Besides, he's my achievement whore now. It will be weird not leveling my rogue first like I usually do though hehe.

I'm sure Dora will stay DPS too although she doesn't like the way ret is looking right now. Hopefully, they'll get some good changes before the xpac goes live.

Having 9 80's, my options are pretty open to fill any roles we might decide we need.

[4a6c1]

Almost 70 when I logged off this morning. Want to get 71 tonight. And I'm doing it like a good girl, in Northrend. BOOOOOORINNNNNGGG.

Still Marks with a bear. That probably wont change tonight unless I start freaking out and get 5 pets within 5 minutes.

*patch loading sloooow

[TheEschaton]

5 pets, with 25 in storage, iirc. Only 5 are active at any time though.

[4a6c1]

Ok. I'm going to level tonight and not focus on that and you arent helping.

[TheEschaton]

the supposed maintainence is til midnight PDT. Dunno if it'll actually be up before then, but even if it is, it'll be laggy as all hell.

[Some Rogue]

the supposed maintainence is til midnight PDT. Dunno if it'll actually be up before then, but even if it is, it'll be laggy as all hell.

(Noon PDT)

[TheEschaton]

oh, I'm retarded. I just naturally assumed it was an all day thing.

[4a6c1]

trying to poop on parties is what you are doing

[Parkbandit]

We need to decide (we've only got 2 months to dicker with the changes zomg)

Chaincreep is leveling his priest (shadow) to be his main in cata.
Falgrin is waffling between elemental shaman, tree druid, hunter, holes in his abdomen, etc.
I think SR will be going away from prot paladin.


I'd prefer to lvl the DK, only because I'm achieve whoring on him. I can go blood (prot) if needed that's fine with me.

Anzu will probably be 71 when cata is released.


Edit to add: I actually haven't looked at any of the class changes (to include DK) I know I get a necrotic strike eventually, that's it. I'll probably have to do my homework (print off a bunch of shit to read during lunch).
I want to make sure when we all hit 85 we've got a viable group to get in and do work.

To be honest... a couple of weeks ago I didn't think I would be playing WoW anymore, let alone buying the expansion.

But I really haven't decided who to play yet. Chances are, since Scramby is sticking with his hunter.. I'll go with Bullchip or Bayne and heal during raids.

I might end up multi-accounting up to 85 with Rennick (warrior), Kallell (priest) and Bullchip... which would give me 3 85s at the same time. Anyone know a good program that helps you multiaccount like that?

[AnticorRifling]

To be honest... a couple of weeks ago I didn't think I would be playing WoW anymore, let alone buying the expansion.

But I really haven't decided who to play yet. Chances are, since Scramby is sticking with his hunter.. I'll go with Bullchip or Bayne and heal during raids.

I might end up multi-accounting up to 85 with Rennick (warrior), Kallell (priest) and Bullchip... which would give me 3 85s at the same time. Anyone know a good program that helps you multiaccount like that?

I think there's one called A.S.I.A.N. Edaarin can help you with the configuration.

[Some Rogue]

I think there's an alternate version called K.I.D.S.

[Me]

Stabbers you are a goober. New stuff will keep you interested for months then you will wander away again just give in to the impluses.

LF (by the way I got bored and leveled up another hunter to 80 heheheh)

[Methais]

The Mage talents look pretty cool. Fire got lots of love and being able to cast scorch instantly for 0 mana all the time is going to kick ass too.

Frost looks pretty awesome too, and arcane while it looks good too, seems like it'll be at the bottom this time around. Hopefully the lag and UI hassles won't be too bad tonight so I can check it all out when I get my PC out of the shop in a couple hours (turns out the heatsink on the CPU fan came loose which was causing the shutdowns).

This is all in regards to PvP. PvE can drink from my ass.

[Nieninque]

I'm retarded.
:)

[4a6c1]

LF (by the way I got bored and leveled up another hunter to 80 heheheh)

.....:(

[AnticorRifling]

I think there's an alternate version called K.I.D.S.

I used a hybrid called A.S.I.A.N. K.I.D.S to level up my fishing. Gave Ryosaeba's kid 100g to go from 1-375 :)

[Some Rogue]

And the first extension of maintenance is up. 2pm PDT.

[Liagala]

Is Dora playing ret or switching?

I'll still be the dps/healer offspec, though I do plan to level as holy in the hope that some experience with it will allow me to actually be useful now and then in a raid. I have an 80 rogue, 78 DK, and 70 mage that could all level up too if the pally isn't going to fit what we need.

[Parkbandit]

I think the important part is we each play the character we enjoy playing... we will pick up whatever we need to fill in the gaps.

[AnticorRifling]

But we don't like other people...

[Liagala]

But we don't like other people...

Speaking of not liking other people...

My mom just rolled up a noob on Dunemaul. When she outlevels the starter zones and gets to places where she can get ganked (probably 4 - 6 months from now. She makes Rojo look fast), if anyone screws with her, I might need help kicking their asses. We all know how good I am at PvP.

[TheEschaton]

So we have to stop making jokes about microwaves?

[Parkbandit]

Speaking of not liking other people...

My mom just rolled up a noob on Dunemaul. When she outlevels the starter zones and gets to places where she can get ganked (probably 4 - 6 months from now. She makes Rojo look fast), if anyone screws with her, I might need help kicking their asses. We all know how good I am at PvP.

So.... what's her character's name?

http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh96/Indylowrider/HowYouDoin1.jpg

[4a6c1]

LMAO

[AnticorRifling]

Speaking of not liking other people...

My mom just rolled up a noob on Dunemaul. When she outlevels the starter zones and gets to places where she can get ganked (probably 4 - 6 months from now. She makes Rojo look fast), if anyone screws with her, I might need help kicking their asses. We all know how good I am at PvP.

Not a problem. We've been known to put entire zones on lockdown before. What was the name of the guild we destroyed in Felwood last time they fucked with a lowbie HoR? Then Falgrin logged over to the alliance side and gave them shit, it was awesome.

[TheEschaton]

Darkness Rising, or Eternal Reign or something emo sounding like that.

[Some Rogue]

So.... what's her character's name?

http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh96/Indylowrider/HowYouDoin1.jpg


Well the age IS about right.....

[4a6c1]

Twighlight Nights?

[AnticorRifling]

Well the age IS about right.....

If it's to late for her hymen you can still break her hip.

[4a6c1]

I'm really excited about troll druids. I think my second character will be some crazy colored she-devil druid with blue hair. CAT FORM FTW. You guys.....google it. Just google it. It looks so awesome.

[4a6c1]

yessssss

http://www.poptartica.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/trollcat.jpg

[AnticorRifling]

Boo druids should be tauren only.

[4a6c1]

WRONG

[Liagala]

So we have to stop making jokes about microwaves?

Microwave jokes are fine. She's been laughing at those since they started. Mention of deadlylight however, is strictly forbidden. I'm not entirely sure I want her anywhere near Drew, either.

PB, I will hurt you.

[RichardCranium]

If I start a goblin on Dunemaul I should be able to hit 85 around the same time as Rojo.

[TheEschaton]

So, mention your boobs are on a public domain for anyone to see, got it.

[Parkbandit]

If I start a goblin on Dunemaul I should be able to hit 85 around the same time as Rojo.

If you play 3 hours a day, you would beat her.

[RichardCranium]

If you play 3 hours a day, you would beat her.

I know I've been back and forth on Dunemaul for ever now but I've seriously been considering moving my DK over there. I heard y'all didn't have any decent ones anyway.

[4a6c1]

If you play 1 hour a day you would beat me. My average is 3 hours a week. :-/

And except for Nagrand I've leveled from battlegrounds since around 50 (?)

I probably shouldnt have because now my rep is poop but whateva

[4a6c1]

ALSO RC WHEN DO YOU PLAY

/stalk

[AnticorRifling]

I know I've been back and forth on Dunemaul for ever now but I've seriously been considering moving my DK over there. I heard y'all didn't have any decent ones anyway.

You son of a bitch.


Also I'm excited for the new AD series of "Question, answer, fuck you I'll do it my way, hey why do you guys call me bad?" since all the talents got changed.

[Cephalopod]

You would not believe how much he gold he lost because of these changes.

[AnticorRifling]

HAHAHAHA but guys I've got a plan!

[RichardCranium]

Does it involve enchanting a metric shit-ton of level one greys?

[Keller]

If you play 1 hour a day you would beat me. My average is 3 hours a week. :-/

And except for Nagrand I've leveled from battlegrounds since around 50 (?)

I probably shouldnt have because now my rep is poop but whateva

In the last two xpacs, with the exception of grinding PvE for PvP items (trinkets, non-set pieces, rings), I've been an exclusive PvP-whore. You're not missing much by leveling in BGs. It's more fun, anyways.

Once you start obsessing about rep, achievements, etc, then WoW stops being a game and starts to be a project. Projects are what I do at work. I don't like work.

[Nieninque]

Hahaha...you people are absolute cunts. Cunts, I tell you.

And I love you.

[Parkbandit]

Aaaaand now it's 7PM estimated time the servers will be up.

[RichardCranium]

Lol, another two hours. Awesome.

[Nieninque]

Why are you surprised? It's been like this on big patch days since 2004

[Parkbandit]

Why are you surprised? It's been like this on big patch days since 2004

Who's surprised? Just giving an update.

[RichardCranium]

I think she meant me. I'm not surprised, just impatient.

[Nieninque]

In-patient, more like.

[RichardCranium]

Mouthy British broads...

[4a6c1]

hhhhhgggggnnnn

[Parkbandit]

Extended to 8pm...

[Methais]

I'm really excited about troll druids. I think my second character will be some crazy colored she-devil druid with blue hair. CAT FORM FTW. You guys.....google it. Just google it. It looks so awesome.

Troll bear form is even better:
http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/3849/trollbearform.jpg

[4a6c1]

^LOL

BACK UP whoooo! and wtf guild rep? I am freaking out.

[AestheticDeath]

Also I'm excited for the new AD series of "Question, answer, fuck you I'll do it my way, hey why do you guys call me bad?" since all the talents got changed.

My talents are done, thanks. And my gems/reforging.

You would not believe how much he gold he lost because of these changes.

So far I am making gold. Thank you inscription/JC

Does it involve enchanting a metric shit-ton of level one greys?
I have moved up to white items.



and it sucks that wowarmory.com doesnt show the reforging...

[TheEschaton]

Why would you reforge shit that you'll be replacing in two months anyways with the xpac?

[AnticorRifling]

Because it's 10 gold and fun to fuck with?

Also, tonight let's go do 10m ICC for shits and giggles I want to see how OP we all are. Did a few 5 mans last night and holy hell I hit like a bus full of trucks.

[RichardCranium]

Because it's 10 gold and fun to fuck with?

Also, tonight let's go do 10m ICC for shits and giggles I want to see how OP we all are. Did a few 5 mans last night and holy hell I hit like a bus full of trucks.

Tanking or DPS?

[AnticorRifling]

I did both. Now it was only 5 man heroic but DK tanking felt just fine. Threat was good and I didn't seem to be any worse for wear in regards to damage taken. DPS I couldn't get a real solid judge because shit was dying so fast but the rotation felt right (first time trying FS in lieu of a PS/IT refresh towards the end of the rotation) but again I didn't get many chances to use it because uptime was a non issue due to the speed of the kills.

My specs are completely made up, didn't research shit just went with common sense talents for now because I wanted to get in and see it. I'll print some shit off at home and read it during lunch tomorrow to tweak my specs as needed but I really can't see much changing.

I want to see how the dps ramps up on an extended boss fight. I've got a feeling with enraged ghoul, the unholy rage thing, gargoyle, etc it's going to be stupid amounts of damage.

I'll also want to see/hear some accounts of the frost tree 2h and DW just for comparison.

[TheEschaton]

I feel like most of the talent trees are pretty derp derp now. You don't take the non-pvp talents, and suddenly you're at 30-32 points in the tree. A retard could figure these trees out.

-TheE-

[RichardCranium]

My DPS was down in frost DW but I had the same experience as you; shit died so quickly in 5 man heroics I couldn't get a good read on it.

[TheEschaton]

oh, and I think I'm gonna be frost as my second spec on my DK. A video I saw had 30k obliterate crits on the 2handed version, though that was at 85 in the beta.

-TheE-

[4a6c1]

Wow. I'm really disappointed with the hunter nerfs. Takes me double the time to kill things. Combat is completely steady shot focused. Right now PvP is out of the question. I get 3 shots off with focus as opposed to 5 with mana before I am within melee range. And now no disengage to get 3 extra shots if I need them. Wtf....

[4a6c1]

And I am taking advice on how to vanilla WoW huntard in 3......2.......1.....GO

[Some Rogue]

Why no disengage?

Oh, nvm, they moved it to 78. Lrn2level

[RichardCranium]

Yeah, use scatter shot.

[TheEschaton]

yeah, scatter shot is now available to all specs, no?

[TheEschaton]

and I hope you're already using traps/concussive shot.

[AnticorRifling]

And I am taking advice on how to vanilla WoW huntard in 3......2.......1.....GO

Bottom line it's tooled around being max level. Also l2kite...and lvl. Also keep in mind with the talent changes PvP is going to be laughable for the next month, just focus on banging out levels.

[Nieninque]

wing clip/scatter shot/strafe

[Nieninque]

And if you are relying on disengage every time it's up you will be dying a lot anyway.

[AnticorRifling]

Wing clip, scatter, conc shot, don't use steady in BGs. Fire on the fly, arcane, explosive and stings can be used while running. L2Jumpshot (I'll show you what I mean). Stop to auto and keep moving if there's time.

[TheEschaton]

Jump shot requires mouse turning, do you do that Rojo?

[Some Rogue]

PB told me to tell you to ask LF to learn the jumpshot. He is a mean old son of a bitch.

:whistle:

[Parkbandit]

PB told me to tell you to ask LF to learn the jumpshot. He is a mean old son of a bitch.

:whistle:

:rofl:

Liar.

[4a6c1]

Thanks. Trying all the above advice tonight. And still hoarding 'HOW TO PVP VANILLA HUNTARD' info.

[4a6c1]

also wtf is kite

[AnticorRifling]

also wtf is kite

HAHAHAHAHA

Ok let's pretend the alliance you're trying to kill is a kite and there is a string between you and him. You run, he follows, you keep distance, and you keep damaging. You're kiting him.

[TheEschaton]

with concussive shot/scatter shot/frost trap, you should be able to kite anyone, once you master jump shooting. I mean, DKs and any engineers might be problematic, but yeah. Keep in mind, you're at the bottom of the 70-79 bracket right now, so it's a pain.

-TheE-

[TheEschaton]

4.67 out of 4.76 gig, ugh.

[Methais]

I haven't gotten to log in yet but there is massive QQ all over the Mage forums.

I'm guessing every class forum is like this right now, but even mages are QQing about mages over there.

[TheEschaton]

Mages are gonna be awesome. Fire is back in vogue, how can that not be awesome?

Sorry that your rotation is gonna be more than 2 buttons now, failboats!

[4a6c1]

By the several different explanations I have gotten I now know what to call my bobbing and weaving method that I totally thought I invented.

KITE OMG

[TheEschaton]

l2do it well. There's at least one boss in a heroic (BRC) in Cata that's gonna require kiting, and it'll probably fall on you.

[4a6c1]

Trying some of this right now. Scattershot is cool. Wish I had enough focus left for kill shot at the end. :(

Someone suggested to throw frost traps down while I kite. Trying to perfect that on skaldi right now.

My major thing seems to be focus. I need to generate moar. Quicker.

[TheEschaton]

I thought kill shot was supposed to be focus-free?

[4a6c1]

l2do it well. There's at least one boss in a heroic (BRC) in Cata that's gonna require kiting, and it'll probably fall on you.

Will do. Also no I dont mouse turn.

Is jump shot when you are at melee and step back to take a shot. Wait for them to get melee attack rinse and repeat?

[AnticorRifling]

Will do. Also no I dont mouse turn.

Is jump shot when you are at melee and step back to take a shot. Wait for them to get melee attack rinse and repeat?

No.

Running away from the enemy, Jump, turn in mid air, fire, turn back, land and keep running having never slowed down for them to gain any distance. Takes practice but it's fucky sexy when it's done right.

It requires turning with the mouse. Practice that shit.

[TheEschaton]

No, jump shooting involves running away from the target, jumping, turning in mid air, firing off a shot, and turning again in midair so you can hit the ground running away from the target. It's how you kite effectively.

It is also only effective with mouse turning, because keyboard turning isn't quick enough to complete the full turn.

-TheE-

[4a6c1]

I thought kill shot was supposed to be focus-free?

You are right. The one I never have the mana for is Silencing shot. And also it sucks that kill shot is only an end attack. I combined them for quicker reading lol.

[4a6c1]

Jump shot sounds badass. TRYING IT NOW.

[TheEschaton]

If you do it right, they never ever get in melee range.

[4a6c1]

holy shit i suck at jump shot this is going to take some hours of practice

[TheEschaton]

If you're not using your mouse to move, it's gonna be hard. Quick tutorial:

Hold down both buttons to run forward (but I usually use W, with Q and E to strafe)

Hold down the right mouse button to turn your toon. Hold the left button to turn your camera but not your toon (irrelevant to jump shooting).

So, essentially, you want to be running away from target, hitting spacebar, holding the right mouse button and pushing your mouse left/right (whichever is more comfortable), shooting with a keybind, all the while holding the right mouse button, and then turning again in mid air, hit the ground, run forward with W.

For me, what's most comfortable is doing 180 degrees one way, then 180 degrees opposite, rather than making a full 360, from a mouse perspective it's easier to move the mouse a little to the left, then bring it back right.

Hope that helps.

-TheE-

[TheEschaton]

Install is fucking 77% done, jesu christo.

[Donquix]

Hold down the right mouse button to turn your toon. Hold the left button to turn your camera but not your toon (irrelevant to jump shooting).

That's not entirely true. If you rotate your camera a direction by holding the left mouse, then press right mouse after it is rotated, you will snap and face that direction instantly

So you could be running, turn the camera around, jump, snap instantly, fire, then continue with a normal 180 to get back where you were going.

Sometimes handy in pvp, not necessarily for increasing the ease of kiting but because you want to keep an eye on whats going on behind you as you are running. wsg if you have the flag is an obvious example.

[TheEschaton]

Fair enough, that's a good point.

[4a6c1]

Thanks!!

[Nieninque]

with concussive shot/scatter shot/frost trap, you should be able to kite anyone, once you master jump shooting.

Uh, no.

Some classes are just unkiteable. It should however give you more of a chance. Disengage should be an "oh shit" button rather than part of a pvp rotation though.


I mean, DKs and any engineers might be problematic,

And prot warriors (though Im not sure on new warrior talents) and feral druids (although they all seem to have charge now wtf).

[Nieninque]

So you could be running, turn the camera around, jump, snap instantly, fire, then continue with a normal 180 to get back where you were going.

Sometimes handy in pvp, not necessarily for increasing the ease of kiting but because you want to keep an eye on whats going on behind you as you are running. wsg if you have the flag is an obvious example.

LOL...good luck with that. Every time you snap and change direction, you are losing ground. The thing about jumpshooting is there is no change in direction of travel, nor speed of travel. You dont even need to do a 180 for a jump shoot, a 90 is enough. Every time you do your jump snap turn shit, you are giving the opponent ground and running the risk that your little "normal 180" takes you off in a different direction. Insanity.

[Nieninque]

If you're not using your mouse to move, it's gonna be hard. Quick tutorial:

Hold down both buttons to run forward (but I usually use W, with Q and E to strafe)

Hold down the right mouse button to turn your toon. Hold the left button to turn your camera but not your toon (irrelevant to jump shooting).

So, essentially, you want to be running away from target, hitting spacebar, holding the right mouse button and pushing your mouse left/right (whichever is more comfortable), shooting with a keybind, all the while holding the right mouse button, and then turning again in mid air, hit the ground, run forward with W.

For me, what's most comfortable is doing 180 degrees one way, then 180 degrees opposite, rather than making a full 360, from a mouse perspective it's easier to move the mouse a little to the left, then bring it back right.

Hope that helps.

-TheE-

Not bad advice, but you dont have to do a full 180 in order to get the shot off. As for Donkey's advice about seeing what's behind you, that's what tracking is for. That and a battlemap.

[Nieninque]

Jump shot sounds badass. TRYING IT NOW.

Go to the west side of Burning Steppes and test it on the dragons there. You should be able to kite them from one side of the zone to the other. That will get you the technique.

[Donquix]

LOL...good luck with that. Every time you snap and change direction, you are losing ground. The thing about jumpshooting is there is no change in direction of travel, nor speed of travel. You dont even need to do a 180 for a jump shoot, a 90 is enough. Every time you do your jump snap turn shit, you are giving the opponent ground and running the risk that your little "normal 180" takes you off in a different direction. Insanity.

I suppose if you're awful this would be the case, yes.

If you aren't a retard, effectively it's exactly the same thing as a normal jump but (slightly) faster. The cost being not seeing where you are running towards which is what makes it impractical many times but, in situations like i mentioned (wsg) works fine.

I was not and am not suggesting it as a normal means for kiting. In fact, i said that in the first post.

[4a6c1]

It would be delicious if you all would get into a high-powered, elitist debate over jump shooting that way I could just read this thread to learn instead of crawling through the ass of the internet to read about what it was cool to do 8 years ago. kthnx. <3 XOXOX Rojo

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

You should have rolled a feral mage Rojo... they are the best at the 180 degree blink kiting. But you have to have a 27 button mouse and be in tree form to do it.

[Donquix]

You should have rolled a feral mage Rojo... they are the best at the 180 degree blink kiting. But you have to have a 27 button mouse and be in tree form to do it.

so close!

http://www.teknolelu.fi/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/naga.jpg

[Nieninque]

so close!

http://www.teknolelu.fi/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/naga.jpg

I have that and I love it.

[Asha]

You use that mouse with a laptop?

[Nieninque]

No, my desktop. But if my laptop were any good I would.
I also use a nostromo n52te.
Hardcore.

[4a6c1]

Holy shit that mouse is incredible. I dont even think I would know what to do with it.

....

Does it vibrate?

[Asha]

nostromo I could handle.
Definitely hardcore.

[4a6c1]

You should have rolled a feral mage Rojo... they are the best at the 180 degree blink kiting. But you have to have a 27 button mouse and be in tree form to do it.

My next move will be troll druid but only every now and then. I'm pretty obsessed with Anzu right now. Also why dont you get off that Princess server you are on and come to dooooonmalllll

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

My next move will be troll druid but only every now and then. I'm pretty obsessed with Anzu right now. Also why dont you get off that Princess server you are on and come to dooooonmalllll

Cause I have 6 80's now and a regular guild I raid with... Hounds doesn't sound very stable what with everyone taking 6 month breaks at a time

[4a6c1]

true

[Kyra231]

true

Must shut face, you're making me want to play again.......ugh.

[4a6c1]

Must shut face, you're making me want to play again.......ugh.


:lol:

do eeeet

[Nieninque]

Holy shit that mouse is incredible. I dont even think I would know what to do with it.

....

Does it vibrate?

It doesnt but the blue logo is a glowy light which fades on and off. It's wickid innit!

[AnticorRifling]

Cause I have 6 80's now and a regular guild I raid with... Hounds doesn't sound very stable what with everyone taking 6 month breaks at a time

Only 6 80s? You scrub.

[TheEschaton]

Only 6 80s? You scrub.

^^

[TheEschaton]

P.S. I have an inscriptionist with all glyphs that are currently out, on Dunemaul Horde, if anyone needs them.

Just send mail and mats to Resipsa, with what you need, and I'll send it back.

[AnticorRifling]

So last night our ICC bugged out after loot ship. Couldn't get out of combat, folks were being randomly targetted and taking damage. DERP DERP. So we went and tried different alts in 5 mans. I still have like 20 specs to figure out fuck me.

[Drisco]

Love this patch. Casters Are King.

It's basically impossible to kill a Resto druid. The damage is crazy with all of the casters too. A mage running around frost lancing for 4k. My Boomkin spams Moon Fire for 5k.

God this is going to be fun till Cata. Then they will even things out and I'll be sad.

[Alfster]

I had some 70k Arcane blasts. Not in PVP, but still. Damn.

[Me]

PB told me to tell you to ask LF to learn the jumpshot. He is a mean old son of a bitch.

:whistle:

Heh I know it now! But I was running into ubrs the other night and still missed the goddamn jump.

bah

LF

[Me]

Go to the west side of Burning Steppes and test it on the dragons there. You should be able to kite them from one side of the zone to the other. That will get you the technique.

thats how I learned Shuriken took me out there when they used to be eiites and I would be dragging those suckers back and forth down the road and if you messed up you died.

heh

LF

[Me]

So last night our ICC bugged out after loot ship. Couldn't get out of combat, folks were being randomly targetted and taking damage. DERP DERP. So we went and tried different alts in 5 mans. I still have like 20 specs to figure out fuck me.

Put a pet on aggressive or have someone aoe the left side in the open area where ranged would be standing to do beasts, as you are facing where saufang stands there is an invisible mob. Once hes killed you can continue on.

LF

[Some Rogue]

Love this patch. Casters Are King.

It's basically impossible to kill a Resto druid. The damage is crazy with all of the casters too. A mage running around frost lancing for 4k. My Boomkin spams Moon Fire for 5k.

God this is going to be fun till Cata. Then they will even things out and I'll be sad.

Wrong. Already rolling in hotfixes to nerf them. Enjoy your day or two of being OP heh.



Originally Posted by Ghostcrawler (Source (http://blue.mmo-champion.com/t/27187856197/class-balance-as-of-oct-13-2010/))
Rather than try and address multiple threads, I'm just going to plop our current thoughts in this one post. Please excuse the brevity.

1) We think Fury, Arms, Feral cat and Retribution dps is too low and we will be buffing them.

2) We think mage dps is too high, especially Fire, and will be nerfing it.

3) We think Shadow priest dps is too high, but that's largely a result of Shadow Word: Death spam, which is tough on healers. We'll be fixing that.

4) We think Destro warlock dps is too high, but that's largely a result of Searing Pain spam, which is tough on tanks. We'll be fixing that.

5) As we suspected, PvP dps is just too high given that the health pools of Cataclysm haven't kicked in yet. While competitive PvP is over for the moment, we still want the environment to feel better so we will be buffing resilience. This change might be reverted at level 85.

There will probably be more changes after another night of raiding and BGs. Many of the bug fixes we have made today will affect dps as well. Stay tuned.

[Liagala]

1) We think... Retribution dps is too low and we will be buffing them.
Good stuff. I figured it would be a while before they finally realized that it isn't just us failing because of new mechanics.

In other news, reading some of the posts on the forums makes it look like Holy should be a lot better for me. Apparently I failed so much because I was doing it wrong. I was trying to use all my skills, silly me. I should have picked a spell to spam and just gone with it. Posts from holy paladins are split exactly down the middle, from what I saw. People who liked to use all their skills are tickled pink with the new stuff, and people who liked to spam a single button are freaking out that they OOM and can't heal anything anymore.

[Nathala Crane]

1) We think Fury, Arms, Feral cat and Retribution dps is too low and we will be buffing them.

Thank you.

[Drisco]

Wrong. Already rolling in hotfixes to nerf them. Enjoy your day or two of being OP heh.

Ahh but do you see a mention of a Boomkin in there? We are still raping.

[Some Rogue]

With insect swarm spam, that was bugged and not available for all druids for the first day. It will be nerfed too. :D

[TheEschaton]

I saw a druid moonfire spam for 10k on a dummy just recently. I wouldn't have believed it if he didn't join my group so my recount could keep track.

My afflic spec did about 7.1k DPS, destro about 8.2, and I didn't cast one searing pain. Afflic will obviously improve on raid bosses where I'm doing extra damage under 25% Grrr...there's a lot of shit going on in destro, keep improved shadowbolt up, CoE, Bane of Doom, Improved Soul Fire, Immolate, then hit Conflag and Chaos Bolt on CD, incinerate with whatever you got left.

I tried taking elements out, but my DPS definitely dropped without improved SB and Improved Soul Fire. Ugh. If I had to switch to Bane of Agony for a short fight (24s as oppose to 1m application time), it'd be nigh on impossible to keep up).

-TheE-

[TheEschaton]

And that's one class. 9 more to go.

[Cap'nDrak]

I'm really sad as a low level that my Rogue lost Garrote. That was a major time saver for me on the grind. I never had a good handle on what I was doing before, and now I'm trying to learn all over again.
Being stuck to one tree is kinda lame too. Guess I have no choice but to get over it.

[AnticorRifling]

Garrote?! I don't I used that at all leveling up.


TheE. Find out what I need to do for DK, I haven't researched it just guessed. Thanks.

[SHAFT]

Love this patch. Casters Are King.

It's basically impossible to kill a Resto druid. The damage is crazy with all of the casters too. A mage running around frost lancing for 4k. My Boomkin spams Moon Fire for 5k.

God this is going to be fun till Cata. Then they will even things out and I'll be sad.

Yeah I stood in front of ICC last night dominating alli's as they came out or entered. Incredible mage damage, which I'm expecting to be toned down by the time I get to play tonight.

[Methais]

Mages are always first to get hit with the nerf bat. It'll be the same cycle that's been playing out since 2004:

- Mages pwn people
- People QQ about upcoming xpac design in current cap pvp
- Blizzard nerfs mages
- Melee gets buffed
- Mages get pwned
- Melee pwns everyone
- Mages get some random useless buff that does nothing
- Mages get pwned
- Blizzard tells mages they just got buffed
- New talents for next xpac come out
- Mages are OP
- People QQ about upcoming xpac design in current cap pvp
- Mages get nerfed

etc.

I'm having a blast on my frost mage though. Fire wasn't as fun as I expected to be but is still fun, and arcane just seems kinda meh and boring now. All the control with frost is some good shit though. Especially Improved Cone of Cold freezing targets now.

I just realized earlier they made mana shield useful now too finally.

[Some Rogue]

Garrote?! I don't I used that at all leveling up.


TheE. Find out what I need to do for DK, I haven't researched it just guessed. Thanks.


http://elitistjerks.com/f72/t105521-unholy_dps_cataclysm_strongest_flame/

[4a6c1]

Low level pvp got nerfed big time.

I was running dungeons last night to try and get a feel for this new rotation. My crit chance went from 24% to 17% and I am trying to figure out WHERE.

I had to rebuy all of my pvp glyphs last night. They didnt really help much. Arcane shot at an increased 12% whoo? Someone pulled the dps list for the dungeons last night and it was sad....i was in the middle somewhere.

So yeah. For the next 15 levels I will be relearning this game, relearning my character and nursing my pvp addiction with dungeons if I am not getting ganked by EVERY OTHER CLASS in Northrend (yep). :-/

[AnticorRifling]

http://elitistjerks.com/f72/t105521-unholy_dps_cataclysm_strongest_flame/

Can't see EJ at work AHOLE!!!!!

[Keller]

Mages are always first to get hit with the nerf bat. It'll be the same cycle that's been playing out since 2004:

- Mages pwn people
- People QQ about upcoming xpac design in current cap pvp
- Blizzard nerfs mages
- Melee gets buffed
- Mages get pwned
- Melee pwns everyone
- Mages get some random useless buff that does nothing
- Mages get pwned
- Blizzard tells mages they just got buffed
- New talents for next xpac come out
- Mages are OP
- People QQ about upcoming xpac design in current cap pvp
- Mages get nerfed

etc.

I'm having a blast on my frost mage though. Fire wasn't as fun as I expected to be but is still fun, and arcane just seems kinda meh and boring now. All the control with frost is some good shit though. Especially Improved Cone of Cold freezing targets now.

I just realized earlier they made mana shield useful now too finally.

Caster DPS was so underwhelming in PvP last xpac.

It's like I never saw two casters and a healer in 3v3.

[Methais]

It's like I never saw RMP in 3v3.

Fixed.