UGH

[AestheticDeath]

And what realm are you on Subzero? who is your main?

your trade skills sound like narcolepsy

[subzero]

Shadowsong. My main is usually Ogerajin. Not sure which character I'll use for sure if I decide to actually find a guild and do some pve this expansion. Time has been a pretty limiting factor in that lately.

As for the professions... I've been playing for six years. We're only looking at 6 characters really, with uncapped/lesser alts being gatherers. Gold wasn't always anywhere near as easily gained, so I started off by finishing up my mage to have an additional tailor to profit from mooncloth as tailoring was the only profession to have anything crafted on a 3 day timer. I rerolled on Shadowsong before transfers were available, so I ended up with a third tailor due to that. Assholes opened transfers the very day after hitting 60.

Undeath to water transmute was the shit back in vanilla as well (<1g undeath transmuted into 10-15g water; pure profit basically), so when I had enough money and someone had it for sale, I ended up leveling the shaman for transmuting. Funny enough, I found the pattern myself while farming fires in un'goro a couple months after buying it for 300g. Ended up making a little profit there by selling it for 350g.

BC brought in the jewelcrafting awesomeness, which I dropped skinning for on my main (nothing required over-capped-skill to skin after vanilla, thus finkle's skinner/enchants weren't necessary and the whole thing lost a lot of profitability when people started to cap anyway). The second alchemist was leveled for guild purposes and was not transmute spec until that need was filled and they changed the spec-swapping to a matter of gold rather than questing.

Then Wrath brought inscription and DKs, which meant I needed two more professions for the DK I leveled for the guild. With good patterns traditionally being raid drops at that time and since I was changing to DK, I went JC/BS. The token system only made that a more profitable choice. Inscription allowed me to finally sell enchants, so it wasn't until I leveled that (dunno what I even dropped, if anything, to pick that up) during Wrath that I made use of enchanting for anything other than DEing stuff. Plus, all the good enchants used to be raid drops and the enchanter wasn't my main, so it was rather pointless. Times have changed :)


Which ore are you messing with? I go after greens, which is best to get from obsidium ore?, and I do not come close to one blue gem per stack.

You wouldn't get near the blues from obsidium since it's the first "tier" of ore. Elementium is the way to go. I haven't prospected pyrium due to using it for truegold and hearing the results aren't much better than that of elementium. What pyrium you don't use for truegold, I would stash away for the near-inevitable event that epic gems are able to be found there later. It would be a mistake to not think prices will jump when that does happen, so stash it away/buy cheap now.

I've been trying lately to not go over the 100-120g range for stacks, but will if I'm short on the greens needed for dailies. Even so, the profit can be pulled with transmute spec and selling the right cuts at the right prices. Sometimes it's best to try to wait for the AH to be empty on certain ones, but as I mentioned before, that only gets more difficult as people get more patterns. I haven't been on much this last week, but I've still been selling gems in the 300-400g range. Worst case the gems sell at 150-250 which is obviously still a profit when you add in the green gems you get and use for tokens/blues/metas. Metas have dropped quite a bit, but with transmute spec you can still do well with them.

Shit, I was still selling wrath metas before Christmas for 250-350g. Guess people didn't realize the Cata metas weren't gonna be very widespread at that point and there was very little competition. Wrath epics were also selling up to 100g as people hadn't all managed to get Cata yet.

That's the kind of stuff you want to look for if you're wanting to make leet digital moneh.

[Parkbandit]

That one you got the extra ones from has three sets of three. You can, if you are lucky, get all three if you hold TB three times in one day and they offer the different groups.

I hate TB now. Stupid shitty place.

They will have to fix it.. soon. Problems lie with the defenders simply not showing up, so slots in the attacking raid are pretty much tough to come by. I've been in the queue from the get go and missed 3 TBs in a row due to "You aren't called up" messaging. It's fucking annoying as hell. And if you do get lucky enough to play, it's 3 minutes for a piece of new epic pvp gear.. almost guaranteed. No faction wants to win a defense because 1800 honor points is just too awesome to pass up.

I am loving the dailies in TB though.. I wish I did them as soon as I turned 85. So easy and if you get into a group of 3-4, it's fucking fun as hell. Poor alliance who happen to walk by, minding their own business...

[Parkbandit]

As far as gold goes, I'm just selling truegold and the flasks of titantic strength. They are going for 180-200g each on Dunemaul. Yesterday, I bought 12 on the AH for under 100g and turned around and sold them for 180g.

[AestheticDeath]

That was possibly a long explanation for a misunderstanding I think. :P

Narcolepsy is a warlock on shadowsong and he makes bank from the AH, and posts here etc..

How come your gear is so low when you have plenty of gold and a lot of maxed professions?

[subzero]

That was possibly a long explanation for a misunderstanding I think. :P

Narcolepsy is a warlock on shadowsong and he makes bank from the AH, and posts here etc..

Heh, looks like it. I was bored as shit anyhow.


How come your gear is so low when you have plenty of gold and a lot of maxed professions?

Because I've made zero attempt to do something about it. I'm not really in a guild, thus there's no rush to gear for raids. I don't like five mans enough to do them just for fun, so I pretty much capped the warlock, ported to Org, and started working on the DK. Same deal with the shaman after that. I've been slowly working on getting the scribe to 75 so I can top off inscription lately.

Why no guild? In my opinion, there's only one Horde guild left on Shadowsong that I expect raids in the manner I'd like. I believe Icon is the only guild even doing 25s, which I would prefer. It may be too early to tell, cause shit changes with each expansion, but I really don't expect much from the other guilds as far as doing heroic content either. Combine the sheer lack of guilds doing 25s and the inability/desire of these other guilds to do heroics and I just don't do much these days outside of the AH. I will never play Alliance and even if that were an option, I really don't know that the Alliance is that strong on our server these days either.

There's an assload of super-happy-funtime-casual guilds that I would probably want to hurt myself for joining, but at the same time I have enough going on outside gaming right now that I don't think a more serious guild would be a good fit for either side. This effectively prevents me from spending a stupid amount of money to transfer to another server as well.

So, I'm just kinda screwin around leveling up the alts and making money, which is pretty much the same shit I did for most of Wrath. I might look into some guilds over the next couple weeks, I dunno. Starting to get pretty bored already. I wish those fuckers wouldn't have changed guild xp until I got mine to 5 cause I could really use an extra bank tab. I guess that's a little bit of a goal for now at least.

Long story short, I miss the BC-era Envious :(

[Nieninque]

They will have to fix it.. soon. Problems lie with the defenders simply not showing up, so slots in the attacking raid are pretty much tough to come by. I've been in the queue from the get go and missed 3 TBs in a row due to "You aren't called up" messaging. It's fucking annoying as hell.

Just stand on the bridge outside TB. You will get the honour for winning or losing.


And if you do get lucky enough to play, it's 3 minutes for a piece of new epic pvp gear.. almost guaranteed.

Blue pvp gear, you mean. Epic need conquest points.

[Solkern]

I'm loving these high end instances, much better then wotlk I must say. They are actually enjoyable!

Close to 85 like 9 bars away. I've been top DPS every single time I run some instances..I love it. lol

[Nieninque]

]Win trading is and has always been a violation of our Terms of Use. It goes against the core principals of the game.

Regardless of how you feel about the design of it or our naivety, it does not negate that such behavior is not condoned and never has been.

Participate in such activities at your own risk.

Finally.

Now what they going to do about it?

[Parkbandit]

Just stand on the bridge outside TB. You will get the honour for winning or losing.


Not always.. I'm 0-2 in doing that.



Blue pvp gear, you mean. Epic need conquest points.

Damn... didn't notice the CPs. :(

[TheEschaton]

How're they gonna prove people are win trading, huh?

[4a6c1]

Does that mean I have to stop worshipping the Hunters who consistently make the top 10 because they are fakes?

[inso]

It's hard to get the 1800 bridge humping- but I'm 3/3 on it now (probably pure luck). You really need to find the edge between the pvp zone/outside and set up just outside. Nudge over with a movement tap to check the map- count to 7 and move back. You can get it down to where you're in for 7 and each timer-reset only takes a second at most. Might even be able to stay in 8 or 9 but I don't like to chance it.

As for win trading- my server doesn't do it, but a lot of people beg the people who get in to lose (this server has like a 5000:1 horde:alliance ratio so queues are scarce). Pretty hard to prove intent with people just losing/being idiots in pvp but they could at least do something to shut up the people telling people to do it. Most likely it'll be like the underground/speedhacking miners- Blizz will claim it's illegal and they're cracking down but as much as you report you'll see the same people doing it every day.

The 1800 is just a bandaid that was easy to fix without needing coders to come in over the holiday. I'd say I'm sure it'd be a priority come January, but with how horrible WG was for so long I wouldn't hold my breath.

[Nieninque]

How're they gonna prove people are win trading, huh?

They'll be the ones telling others to stop trying to win.

You make out like it will be impossible to tell who has just let the other faction win, in a pvp objective that you have been crying about how hard it is to win for weeks. They need to drop the win bonus to 180 again.

[AestheticDeath]

Heh, looks like it. I was bored as shit anyhow.

Because I've made zero attempt to do something about it.

Why no guild? In my opinion, there's only one Horde guild left on Shadowsong that I expect raids in the manner I'd like. I believe Icon is the only guild even doing 25s, which I would prefer.



My guild is planning on doing 25m content. Supposed to be starting this Tuesday, after all the holiday shit is over. We aren't Icon, but then again - Icon isn't Icon these days as far as I know. Some of their better players left. And although some came back, some left again etc.

[subzero]

My guild is planning on doing 25m content. Supposed to be starting this Tuesday, after all the holiday shit is over. We aren't Icon, but then again - Icon isn't Icon these days as far as I know. Some of their better players left. And although some came back, some left again etc.

Yeah, I saw a lot of former Defiance/Envious left to start Defiance up again. Not a surprise that they split off from Icon, really. There were way too many people in the guild to think it wasn't gonna happen.

[g++]

Its so easy to get conquest points I dont see honor being a worth while currency anyway. I mean sure I could spend 24 solid hours grinding 4000 honor and get a couple rings or a cloak that would likely make me slightly better in arena or I could queue up for arena 10 times with a friend for a grand total of an hour a week and get an epic a week playing against total scrubs in a horrid bracket.

Within a month my guess is tol barad and BG's will be completely deserted except for people trying to unlock baradin hold.

[Nieninque]

I am loving the dailies in TB though.. I wish I did them as soon as I turned 85. So easy and if you get into a group of 3-4, it's fucking fun as hell. Poor alliance who happen to walk by, minding their own business...

And the ones that arent minding their own business are a pain in the arse, amirite?

[Parkbandit]

And the ones that arent minding their own business are a pain in the arse, amirite?

I score it 2-2. You should have stuck to having a 4 on 1 advantage.

And by my count this morning.. alliance 2 (both you) me 17.

[Nieninque]

I score it 2-2. You should have stuck to having a 4 on 1 advantage.

And by my count this morning.. alliance 2 (both you) me 17.

Im counting it as 3-2 to me, considering you ankhed :)

And those other alliance (a) wherent there when I first attacked, they just came up to do the quest when we were fighting and, (b) werent grouped with me. Each time I attacked one v three. Plus it was never 4v1, 4v3 perhaps, although Nora is clearly allergic to pvp.

Was good fun.

Why goblin though?

[Parkbandit]

Im counting it as 3-2 to me, considering you ankhed :)

And those other alliance (a) wherent there when I first attacked, they just came up to do the quest when we were fighting and, (b) werent grouped with me. Each time I attacked one v three. Plus it was never 4v1, 4v3 perhaps, although Nora is clearly allergic to pvp.

Was good fun.

Why goblin though?

Because Goblins are awesome? AND WE HAVE A ROCKET JUMP THAT GIVES US A 5 FOOT ADVANTAGE WHEN RUNNING EVERY 2 MINUTES!?!?!?

[Some Rogue]

although Nora is clearly allergic to pvp.


Probably because she's a 60 yr old woman who's still pretty new to the game and who can barely survive most pve encounters. hehe

[Nieninque]

Aww bless...well tell her it was my love for HoR that led to her two deaths.

I should have figured she was a LF mark II when she did the emote for hurry up when I was killing her the first time :D

[Cap'nDrak]

Damn, I just got screwed sideways...

Someone tried to hack my account. Bliz changed my password and they are incredibly slow to respond. The worst part is I entered a bunch of garbage info when I made the account because I didn't want my private info being passed over the internet.
Is there any way you guys know of that I can get this fixed? I tried calling billing for support and it referred me to the account recovery page, but as I said, I don't remember the crap I put in...

[Liagala]

Damn, I just got screwed sideways...

Someone tried to hack my account. Bliz changed my password and they are incredibly slow to respond. The worst part is I entered a bunch of garbage info when I made the account because I didn't want my private info being passed over the internet.
Is there any way you guys know of that I can get this fixed? I tried calling billing for support and it referred me to the account recovery page, but as I said, I don't remember the crap I put in...

The crap you put in is the only way Blizzard has to prove that you're you. Saying, "Hi, I don't know my own name or address, and I can't give you any sort of identifying details whatsoever, but please give me access to an account that I swear is mine, even though hundreds of accounts are hacked every day." isn't going to go over well.

[4a6c1]

Damn, I just got screwed sideways...

Someone tried to hack my account. Bliz changed my password and they are incredibly slow to respond. The worst part is I entered a bunch of garbage info when I made the account because I didn't want my private info being passed over the internet.
Is there any way you guys know of that I can get this fixed? I tried calling billing for support and it referred me to the account recovery page, but as I said, I don't remember the crap I put in...

How did you get hacked?

[Cap'nDrak]

Apparently someone tried a "reclaim" on the account. It's never been anyone's but my own since I started it as a 15 day trial. So Bliz changed the password, and I have to wait until they respond back to find out if I can get it back. If not I'm sending it down the fast track to Ban-hammer-town. I didn't have anything major except time and a 70 rogue, and 40 paladin that I started a couple days ago. So no big loss if it comes to that.

[NocturnalRob]

How did you get hacked?
HACKZOR!!

[AestheticDeath]

Anyone else swapping from truegold to elements for making gold?

edit: for alch transmutes

[g++]

Mmm tier 11 gloves now you guys will have to let me dps this xpac :)

[Cephalopod]

Damn, I just got screwed sideways...

Someone tried to hack my account. Bliz changed my password and they are incredibly slow to respond. The worst part is I entered a bunch of garbage info when I made the account because I didn't want my private info being passed over the internet.
Is there any way you guys know of that I can get this fixed? I tried calling billing for support and it referred me to the account recovery page, but as I said, I don't remember the crap I put in...

Vaguely related:
I haven't played WoW much for about... well, ever. I deactivated my account like two months ago, then reactivated it last month to consider playing Cataclysm. I got an email last week telling me one of the two accounts tied to my battle.net was banninated for exploitation or somesuch. I went to Battle.net, logged in and confirmed -- sure enough, one of my two accounts had been banned. The weird thing? I have no characters on that account, they're all on the other account tied to my battle.net, and that one wasn't banned.

In any event, I went through and changed all my login passwords to everything... and while I was changing my gmail password for the account linked to my battle.net, I got a notice from gmail that a Chinese IP had just logged into my email. ASJKDLADK:ADQW

...just thought I'd share. I need to stop making all my passwords 'boobies69', apparently.

[Cap'nDrak]

Funny, cause I just received a notice from gmail stating that an IP address from Japan tried to log into my account. I also got confirmation from Bliz that my account recovery request (The one I filed) is good, so I can have my stuff back. Yay!

[g++]

Its like pearl harbor all over again.

[Liagala]

Mmm tier 11 gloves now you guys will have to let me dps this xpac :)
I hate you. :(

[Some Rogue]

Mmm tier 11 gloves now you guys will have to let me dps this xpac :)

Nah, only until Blizz decides to end Casterclysm and evens things out some.

[g++]

Casterclysm? What planet are you on I spent like 3 weeks getting my mage into epics and heroic items and do comprable dps to my fury warrior in greens. If anything mages are at a low point. Its not quite as bad as it was in Ulduar but if you think casters are OP you're on drugs. They do the same dps as melee in a straight burn...until we oom and then our dps blows. If you want to be fotm be a hunter or warrior or pretty much any class that does not rely on mana.

[Loyrl]

I get "blizzard" e-mails every day to my e-mail account, all of them damn spam. They go to my inbox still too because they are from "noreply@blizzard.com" and "Blizzard Entertainment" with titles like World of Warcraft & Battle.net Account - Login Validation. Was getting them even when my account was inactive for a few months between the end of the expansion, so annoying. Been playing since day 1 and have never been hacked, got an authenticator when they came out. I ignore all e-mails from Blizzard untill I can not log into my account, and then I'll just call them.

Oh, and heroic pugs suck.

[AnticorRifling]

I like getting the "You selected for beta key now!" emails...yeah sign me up for some beta after go live w00t w00t!

[Liagala]

Casterclysm? What planet are you on I spent like 3 weeks getting my mage into epics and heroic items and do comprable dps to my fury warrior in greens. If anything mages are at a low point. Its not quite as bad as it was in Ulduar but if you think casters are OP you're on drugs. They do the same dps as melee in a straight burn...until we oom and then our dps blows. If you want to be fotm be a hunter or warrior or pretty much any class that does not rely on mana.
He's referring to the many boss fights that almost force you to bring little-to-no melee dps, because of the massive short-range aoe bosses do. Paragon had a note bitching about it in the announcement on MMO for their latest kill.

[g++]

Well when were doing bastion of twilight in 2014 Ill make sure to keep in mind how lucky I am.

[AnticorRifling]

All ranged is outpacing melee at this point simply because of movement. How many straight up stand still and burn fights are out there? Although once I've spent more than a few hours with this spec and get more comfortable with my timing on rune priority I might climb higher...

[Some Rogue]

Casterclysm? What planet are you on I spent like 3 weeks getting my mage into epics and heroic items and do comprable dps to my fury warrior in greens. If anything mages are at a low point. Its not quite as bad as it was in Ulduar but if you think casters are OP you're on drugs. They do the same dps as melee in a straight burn...until we oom and then our dps blows. If you want to be fotm be a hunter or warrior or pretty much any class that does not rely on mana.

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[g++]

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[AnticorRifling]

Is that the dude from pawn stars? Fuck is his laugh annoying.

[Liagala]

They apparently hotfixed Tol Barad. Everyone's saying it only gives 360 honor now.

[AnticorRifling]

Bah I guess I should have been rolling around in there from the start like everyone else that's rocking all the honor gear they can carry.

[NocturnalRob]

Bah I guess I should have been rolling around in there from the start like everyone else that's rocking all the honor gear they can carry.
You should just buy some with all your gold.

[Parkbandit]

They apparently hotfixed Tol Barad. Everyone's saying it only gives 360 honor now.

FUCK. I thought I would have had another 2 tries at getting my last 2 pieces. :(

[AestheticDeath]

Man what a difference a day can make at the AH. transmuting life -> air went down a lot already, was making 550g or so, today if I did it, by the Ah prices, it is down to 300g. truegold was below 500g normally, i think it may be around 300-400 atm, not sure.

belt buckles got like halved in price by some stupid AH fuckers marking down by 5% instead of 1 copper

I have noticed several items that tend to be low enough price to DE for heavenly shards, cloak of the beasts, stormforged gear, and some ornate gear.

Cloaks tend to be the best, I have been snatching them for 50g, while shards are going for 100g or more still.

I am assuming most prices are somewhat similar on yalls servers. Mass produced leveling items are going WAY cheaper than they should be. I picked up a ton of scrolls with cata enchants for 3g each. I assume/hope they go up before too long.

[TheEschaton]

You realize most of us don't play the game to turn a profit at the AH, right?

[Liagala]

You realize most of us don't play the game to turn a profit at the AH, right?
There's more to video games than amassing huge piles of virtual wealth? Does not compute.

[Some Rogue]

Roleplaying a goblin on the forums? That's all I got.

[AnticorRifling]

So apparently the cough meds + work stress + family stress = me saying hilarious shit in my sleep. Apparently I mumbled the following last night "What the hell do you mean you don't understand cross dock process or how it's a benefit given your current pick/pack model? Fuck. My trinket bitches! Get the fuck out of fire I mean seriously, no not you ... you."

My wife was laughing at me pretty hard.

[4a6c1]

LOL

awesome

[AestheticDeath]

You realize most of us don't play the game to turn a profit at the AH, right?

You realize that you should, if for no other reason than to help me, right?

[Alfster]

The funny part is you're not even any good at working the AH.

You seem to complain about every aspect of this game, why do you play?

[AestheticDeath]

Complaining doesn't mean I suck at something. It means I don't like it.

[g++]

PB you owe us 1000g for repairs. Flu my ass.

[Nieninque]

Complaining doesn't mean I suck at something. It means I don't like it.

He didnt say you suck because you complain about it. He just said you suck at it.

He has a point.

[AnticorRifling]

PB you owe us 1000g for repairs. Flu my ass.

Haha I still had a decent time, we really just lacked some heals for that fight. We've got the fight down we just need some tighter execution and a bit more healing and we should be golden.

[Parkbandit]

PB you owe us 1000g for repairs. Flu my ass.

:(

So how far did you get last night? Sorry I couldn't make it.. I have been trying to get over this flu for almost a week now.

[AnticorRifling]

First boss. We really just lacked the heals for it.

It's not an overly difficult encounter but it is a gear check for heals/tanks.

Big worm stands still, tank smacks on it, everyone but one range gets behind the worm. Every 25 seconds he targets the one ranged that's out of the group and makes a lava pillar, it spawns lava parasites that must be slowed and burned before they touch anyone. Worm will steam half the room, don't stand in it. Worm falls forward two people jump on his back and chain him to the spike on the ground, he falls onto the spike and takes 200% damage while dealing zero damage. Rinse repeat til dead. Oh yeah he also eats the tank and does 120k per 5 seconds to him and reduces armor by 50%.

The problem being he's hitting the whole raid for 25k with a splash, plus random target of a person for another 30k, plus smackin the tank, plus any non avoided avoidable damage = oooooooooooom healers if they can't keep up and have to resort to bigger costlier heals.

[AnticorRifling]

I will say on the add/lava parasite phases last night we noticed not all the range was focused on them and a few of the range were a less than desirable spec for dealing with the encounter.

A few attempts to get positioning, learn abilities, etc and we made decent progress dropped him down 11-13mil hp so not bad given what we were working with.

[Parkbandit]

So, 2 tanks, 2 heals and 6 dps? Who went?

[AnticorRifling]

So, 2 tanks, 2 heals and 6 dps? Who went?

Tanks - Mazorl and Rennoc
Heals - Meatpotato, Dora, Talladar
DPS - Dachcow, Pjaay, Arguendo, Jarkeld, Jacyne

[Liagala]

Haha I still had a decent time, we really just lacked some heals for that fight. We've got the fight down we just need some tighter execution and a bit more healing and we should be golden.
I should be a lot better at the healing thing next time we go in there. I replaced 5 pieces of gear - two of which used to be 312 greens - and added enchants. I previously had three enchants total on my holy gear, and all 3 were whatever my enchanter made as she was ranking up, not necessarily what was good. That's fixed (thanks gbank!), and I'm going to farm up some gems today (or rob the +int carnelians in the gbank again). I've also been looking into some macros to help me use trinkets and cooldowns and such more often. The whole "Oh shit, the raid is mostly dead, the tank IS dead, and I need some mana/haste NOW DAMMIT," thing hasn't been working too well.

You can all thank Salv for my not being worse than Talladar last night. If not for his advice, I would have been OOM 30 seconds into the fight, and probably putting out 4k hps.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I should be a lot better at the healing thing next time we go in there. I replaced 5 pieces of gear - two of which used to be 312 greens - and added enchants. I previously had three enchants total on my holy gear, and all 3 were whatever my enchanter made as she was ranking up, not necessarily what was good. That's fixed (thanks gbank!), and I'm going to farm up some gems today (or rob the +int carnelians in the gbank again). I've also been looking into some macros to help me use trinkets and cooldowns and such more often. The whole "Oh shit, the raid is mostly dead, the tank IS dead, and I need some mana/haste NOW DAMMIT," thing hasn't been working too well.

You can all thank Salv for my not being worse than Talladar last night. If not for his advice, I would have been OOM 30 seconds into the fight, and probably putting out 4k hps.

For healing, I say it all the time in my guild, get vuhdo. If not that, get healbot. I use DBM, hudmap, vuhdo, decursive and dominos, all I've ever needed. I let vuhdo manage my trinks and just pay attention to the cooldowns and other shit myself.

[Liagala]

Make that 6 items replaced. Just got rid of my last green. I bought the replacement with honor, but it was still +41 Int and +36 Spirit, with a gem slot.

[AnticorRifling]

Remind me to reforge my gear later since I'm no longer going to be dw unholy.

[TheEschaton]

I could have told you that weeks ago Wayne, frost has far more utility than unholy.

Anyways, with you, me, and Pj on parasites, with one other ranged (preferably scramby throwing down a frost trap), the damn bugs should be no problem. We had it down pretty well at the end. The problem is all the AOE damage going on that just wasn't healed through.

-TheE-

[g++]

I should be a lot better at the healing thing next time we go in there. I replaced 5 pieces of gear - two of which used to be 312 greens - and added enchants. I previously had three enchants total on my holy gear, and all 3 were whatever my enchanter made as she was ranking up, not necessarily what was good. That's fixed (thanks gbank!), and I'm going to farm up some gems today (or rob the +int carnelians in the gbank again). I've also been looking into some macros to help me use trinkets and cooldowns and such more often. The whole "Oh shit, the raid is mostly dead, the tank IS dead, and I need some mana/haste NOW DAMMIT," thing hasn't been working too well.

You can all thank Salv for my not being worse than Talladar last night. If not for his advice, I would have been OOM 30 seconds into the fight, and probably putting out 4k hps.

You did great. Its simply not possible to be super man and make up for a healer not pulling their own weight anymore. The reason you and Mike were ooming is you just had entirely too much to do and I noticed it on Salv before you even switched specs. Thats why I got a little sarcastic when he suggested he heal the raid only when the tanks were tanking 2million damage in under a minute. If the third healer was pulling 7k and being attentive then you could use a more holy shock/lod based rotation and have time to plea on cooldown and all that good shit. When you dont have time to do that and you are constantly in panic mode everyone is going to oom in under 2 minutes pretty much gauranteed. Thats why I was getting nasty in vent on the trash because Salv literally was unable to even get mana back because if I plead someone would die. Thats just not a workable situation you're not really able to heal smart because everyone is constantly on the brink of death.

Basically we cant have 2 healers pulling 10k and one pulling 5k we need 3 healers with good assignments pulling 7k and having all their mana at the end of the fight.

/endrant


I think well get this down quickly once we have heals straight.

[AnticorRifling]

I'm more comfortable with DW frost anyway since I've played it longer.

[AnticorRifling]

You did great. Its simply not possible to be super man and make up for a healer not pulling their own weight anymore. The reason you and Mike were ooming is you just had entirely too much to do and I noticed it on Salv before you even switched specs. Thats why I got a little sarcastic when he suggested he heal the raid only when the tanks were tanking 2million damage in under a minute. If the third healer was pulling 7k and being attentive then you could use a more holy shock/lod based rotation and have time to plea on cooldown and all that good shit. When you dont have time to do that and you are constantly in panic mode everyone is going to oom in under 2 minutes pretty much gauranteed. Thats why I was getting nasty in vent on the trash because Salv literally was unable to even get mana back because if I plead someone would die. Thats just not a workable situation you're not really able to heal smart because everyone is constantly on the brink of death.

Basically we cant have 2 healers pulling 10k and one pulling 5k we need 3 healers with good assignments pulling 7k and having all their mana at the end of the fight.

/endrant


I think well get this down quickly once we have heals straight.

In Bob's defense he hasn't had the practice and his gear isn't ready so it's not really fair to him or the other healers to put him in that situation. But we had to try with what we had.

[g++]

Oh I dont blame Bob I blame Bayne. For everything.

[Liagala]

we had to try with what we had.
This. I think Meatpotato was the only one who went into the raid expecting to heal. Talladar and I both had crap gear. I had an Intellect flask but no spirit, and the only healer food I had was the 60 Spirit gumbo stuff. It wasn't the best setup, and it showed. But we got some practice and figured out the mechanics, at least. When we go back with prepared healers, we'll make babies with him.

Edit:

Oh I dont blame Bob I blame Bayne. For everything.
Also, this. Just on general principle.

[Liagala]

Until a real healer signs off I wouldn't get too excited.


You did great.
Can I be excited now?

[AnticorRifling]

Negative he was on his mage.

[Keller]

Oh I dont blame Bob I blame Bayne. For everything.

I don't remember Dar having a "y" in its spelling.

What gives?

[Some Rogue]

Let's be realistic...Bayne's healing is like putting a bandaid on a double leg amputation. It probably wouldn't have made a difference.

[Keller]

You realize that you should, if for no other reason than to help me, right?

My buddy (the same one from the other thread) has been botting characters since Cata dropped, just selling skins, herbs, and ores.

He's made over 500k gold.

Just to help you realize how futile your efforts are.

[SHAFT]

Anyone been camping Deepholm for Aeonaxx, to get the mount? It's already got 2400 comments on Wowhead. Pretty interesting people will sit in one spot for days to get a mount.

[TheEschaton]

It's the TLPD of Cata.

I heard the fight itself is pretty interesting, you jump on his back and DPS him from on his back.

[Cephalopod]

...you jump on his back and DPS him from on his back.

There's a joke about Anticor's wife here somewhere...

[Loyrl]

Anyone been camping Deepholm for Aeonaxx, to get the mount? It's already got 2400 comments on Wowhead. Pretty interesting people will sit in one spot for days to get a mount.

I log in and out there, its how I got my time lost. Also if I watch netflix on a second monitor I'll camp that spot.

[SHAFT]

yeah I'd like to get the mount. NPCScan helps

[AestheticDeath]

My buddy (the same one from the other thread) has been botting characters since Cata dropped, just selling skins, herbs, and ores.

He's made over 500k gold.

Just to help you realize how futile your efforts are.

So you are comparing my somewhat random and very time limited efforts to a botter? Nice. Pretty sure I could have made over half that much myself without botting if I were gathering everything and playing the AH for about 3 hours a day average. But I don't have that time, and I don't want to gather 100% of the time I am in the game.

[Keller]

So you are comparing my somewhat random and very time limited efforts to a botter? Nice. Pretty sure I could have made over half that much myself without botting if I were gathering everything and playing the AH for about 3 hours a day average. But I don't have that time, and I don't want to gather 100% of the time I am in the game.

Yes. I am saying you're wasting your time.

[Parkbandit]

Oh I dont blame Bob I blame Bayne. For everything.

:(

I won't be on tonight either. Good news is, I finally got sick of being sick and went to the Dr. today. 1 shot of steroids and a z-pack later... hopefully I'll be done with this shit.

[AnticorRifling]

Yeah whatever has been going around has been hitting people hard.

They did BH last night and it went well, they were done by the time I got home from work and logged on. We did a quick heroic then Salv and I queued for another random, got stonecore already in progress. Piles of bodies stacked at the third boss. We explained the fight to them because they had no clue then walked them thru it and explained it was just practice for the tank, once the tank gets facing him for ground slam and getting out of shatter then getting back in and facing him away for the next ground slam it's easy. Took like 6 attempts but the tank caught on and we finished the instance.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Our guild attempted Magmaw last night again and we got him down to 17%, me with an ilevel of 331, I gotta start getting some drops. It's frustrating when people don't get they have to move, and move RIGHT NOW... flashbacks of LK black shit and us needing to find the right people to raid with consistently... I know it's early but I was very disappointed to be the last to die (save for tanks), top heals, every pull as poorly as I'm geared.

[AnticorRifling]

How are you doing the fight?

What we found is get 1 non mouth breather ranged out there to create the lava pools and move, everyone else stacks on the mobs ass (has to be 14yards or closer as he targets 15yards and farther for the lava pools) caused the least amount of issues from that. It also meant a resto druid was topping off most of the raid with WG and effloflelfnelness.

[TheEschaton]

How are you doing the fight?

What we found is get 1 non mouth breather ranged out there to create the lava pools and move, everyone else stacks on the mobs ass (has to be 14yards or closer as he targets 15yards and farther for the lava pools) caused the least amount of issues from that. It also meant a resto druid was topping off most of the raid with WG and effloflelfnelness.

Aww, are you calling me a non-mouth breather?

[g++]

The best is that Arg has me stand out with him. I think because he gets scared when hes alone.

[TheEschaton]

I kept forgetting that you guys were really stacking on his ass, and that they shouldn't spawn in melee, and was still in the mindset that you needed a minimum number of ranged.

[g++]

I prefer being out there anyway its hard as hell to see the adds from there and incredibly easy to avoid the pillars.

[AnticorRifling]

If I'm not sniffing boss butthole then I can't be sure I'm in a raid.

[AestheticDeath]

Assume for a second you guys were going to run a 25m raid in the new areas.

How would you assign healers? Or if you already run 25s instead of 10, how is it being done?

I ask because I am mildly unhappy with the way we are doing it. Our 'raid leader', basically assigns 2 healers to each of the three tanks, and leaves it at that.

Seems to me, two per tank is overkill. And with no one assigned to raid, everyone winds up trying to heal the same people, sometimes people die cause no one tries to heal them etc. More often than not, deaths are not for that reason, but it happens. And with mana the way it is, overheals need to be kept to a minimum, which IMO is not happening atm. Our overheals are like half what they were in wrath, but still not as low as they could be with better healing assignments.

And since I don't play the other classes at the lvl cap, which healers are best for tanks and which healers are best for raid atm?

Our druids are once again at the top of the charts, with priests in the middle, and shamans at the bottom. But I am not sure if that is because of the class/spec or the person.

And I saw someone mention they use 7 healers for 25m atm... should we have another? Obviously it can be a decision based on skill or whatever, but with brand new content, some people being undergeared and everything.. is it a good idea or just overkill?

[Gompers]

With new content id rather have 1 more heal rather than 1 more dps. Unless its a dps race, you cant go wrong with 1 too many healers. Especially considering your current situation, that extra healer can be assigned to raid.

[TheEschaton]

In Cata, if a DPS is taking avoidable damage, they're gonna die, either from healer mana attrition or lack of heals. You can't heal through avoidable damage any more AD. And if the two raid healers can't heal your raid through unavoidable damage, they either suck, or the instance is too high above their gear level. Although 7 healers is not unusual on new content.

[AestheticDeath]

The problem is there aren't two raid healers. There are six healers, and three tanks, each tank having two 'dedicated' healers, even though the druids tend to hot everyone instead of sticking to their targets. After that the six healers just have to make up their own mind if they are going to help heal raid or not, and if so how/when etc etc.

But like, when we downed Halfus, I was hardly even healing my assigned tank cause the other healer was spamming him, keeping him at full, until something spiked and I would rush back to the tank to help keep him up. Otherwise I was spot healing the raid, which is fairly mana intensive for me. And the more I have to worry about the other 24 people, the less I tend to use my judgement and then I run out of mana quicker.

guild/raid leader said we needed a minimum of 340 itm lvl to get into the raid, I assumed she checked people - but I have no idea really. The people performing well tend to have closer to 350 itm lvl or higher.

[AestheticDeath]

I am also kind of aggravated that my overheals are the highest for things I cannot realistically control. My self heals from judgement and especially protector of the innocent, beacon overheals, and my aoe heal which I use a lot.
At least I am not wasting mana on my own overheals.

[TheEschaton]

Oh, well, if there's 3 tanks and 6 heals and the raid lead is assigning two dedicated heals per tank and no one dedicated to raid healing, that's pretty retarded. Two paladins should be able to keep up 3 tanks no problem, especially because I can't see a scenario where all three tanks are taking simultaneous heavy damage. Maybe two, but all three?

[TheEschaton]

Although Halfus on 25 man might be horrendous.

[Alfster]

I don't think AD truly comprehends exactly how bad he is.

[AestheticDeath]

I don't think AD truly comprehends exactly how bad he is.

I don't obviously. But thanks for reiterating it every chance you post in here.

[AestheticDeath]

Oh, well, if there's 3 tanks and 6 heals and the raid lead is assigning two dedicated heals per tank and no one dedicated to raid healing, that's pretty retarded. Two paladins should be able to keep up 3 tanks no problem, especially because I can't see a scenario where all three tanks are taking simultaneous heavy damage. Maybe two, but all three?

We wound up using three tanks for Halfus. One on him, one on each drake. Once the first drake was down two tanks swapped off on halfus. RL wouldnt even try with two tanks, which considering how we did, was probably a good call.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

How are you doing the fight?

What we found is get 1 non mouth breather ranged out there to create the lava pools and move, everyone else stacks on the mobs ass (has to be 14yards or closer as he targets 15yards and farther for the lava pools) caused the least amount of issues from that. It also meant a resto druid was topping off most of the raid with WG and effloflelfnelness.

How'd you kill the adds doing it this way?

[g++]

Adds were really no problem. Dachcow would howling blast them for a slow and me, him and Arguendo would melt them with mind sear/flame strike/LB spam/howling blast we had some locks seed spamming too but really it was overkill the adds barely moved once Dachcow lit them up. The problem was the healers would oom within 2 minutes healing the unavoidable lava damage because we had a non-raider healer in awful gear.

[Liagala]

How'd you kill the adds doing it this way?
The non-mouth-breathing ranged out there was just to give the boss a convenient target. When he did the fire pillar thing, Dachcow would run out to slow and Pjaay would light them up.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I'm not sure why, but our ranged sucks ass or something. They can't get the blobs down fast enough. I have plenty of mana to keep folks alive, but shit is still up when the next pillar hits. We slow and have a druid knock back.

Are you AOEing, or single target burning?

[g++]

I try to save a proc'd fire blast and LB+Fireblast to push LB out to 3 of them immediately then throw down flame strikes and dragon's breath them. Arguendo mind seers, locks seed spam and Dachcow dots them up. I think our dps actually skyrockets when the adds come out tbh. Dachcow I remember one attempt did like 1.2 million dmg to them just with DK ranged attacks..Kind of insane.

[AnticorRifling]

I try and pool my death runes just before add phase soon as I see the lava pool/pillar I throw a DnD on it, I want the adds moving to me. I howling blast spam 2-4x, blood tap, toss another howling blast. We have adds down before my DnD comes off cooldown.

With appropriately geared healers I think we'll smoke this fight, hopefully tonight. Talladar's resto set was 60% quest greens he couldn't queue for a heroic in it so even if he was flawless he would be woefully underpowered and oom.

[AnticorRifling]

Tanked a pug 10man BH yesterday. Thought for sure it was going to be some sick joke of a fail train that Salv got me involved in. The dps that was in pvp gear did not pull their weight, the dps that was in PvE gear put in some work. Top dps was a hunter at 16k, spriest at 13k, mage at 11k, then it trailed off to the pvp geared hunter at 7k.

[AestheticDeath]

How are you doing the fight?

What we found is get 1 non mouth breather ranged out there to create the lava pools and move, everyone else stacks on the mobs ass (has to be 14yards or closer as he targets 15yards and farther for the lava pools) caused the least amount of issues from that. It also meant a resto druid was topping off most of the raid with WG and effloflelfnelness.

Tried this on 25m, doesnt seem to be working. Still targets melee.

[TheEschaton]

You need to be standing right on his ass. The 15 yard range on which he'll cast pillar is deceptively small.

-TheE-

[AestheticDeath]

Hm yeah, tried to tell them that, and we were pretty close, but they gave up on that strat after three tries. Went back to all ranged/healers outside.. and everyone kept fucking it up. And our ranged couldn't down the parasites quick enough.

[TheEschaton]

On 25m having all ranged/healers out seems like a nightmare waiting to happen. Just one person getting hit = more spawns, more likelihood of being infected and spawning even more, etc.

We downed him today on 10 man. Took a couple looks at Omnitron but then old man Wayne had to go to bed.

-TheE-

[Parkbandit]

We downed him today on 10 man. Took a couple looks at Omnitron but then old man Wayne had to go to bed.

-TheE-

Yea, WAYNE had to go night night.. I was ready for another hour or two at least.

(I think he was having relations last night... but he denies it. He left like his pants were on fire though)

[AnticorRifling]

I wish, it was more like dealing with aggro.

[Parkbandit]

dealing with aggro.

Hey, that's what my wife calls it too!!

[AnticorRifling]

Tried this on 25m, doesnt seem to be working. Still targets melee.

If you look on the floor there is a dark rectangle going from mid room to the left of the boss. We had everyone standing between that rectangle and the boss (MSPAINT incoming!). Then we put 2 range outside, stacked on each other. The lava pools ONLY spawned on the 2 ranged.

Every capable DPS (ie not a warrior, rogue, enhance shaman) turns and burns the worms when they spawn. Generally they are dead with 10 seconds before the next pillar.

Avoid the steam on the floor since this is where the boss is going to flop and crush anyone who didn't move.

When he comes off the spike everyone but the tank should be out of melee range, quickly get back into position after tank has him so the pools/pillars spawn on the 2 ranged.

Rinse and repeat.

http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n177/anticor/WoW/Magmaw.jpg

[AnticorRifling]

Also keep in mind this was 10 man and our group was:

Tanks - Prot warrior and Prot Pally
Heals - Resto Druid, Resto Shaman, Holy Pally
DPS - Frost DK w/chilblains, warlock, fire mage, survival hunter, spriest

[g++]

Also keep in mind this was 10 man and our group was:

Tanks - Prot warrior and Prot Pally
Heals - Resto Druid, Resto Shaman, Holy Pally
DPS - Frost DK w/chilblains, warlock, god, survival hunter, spriest


You forgot me

[AnticorRifling]

I just threw up a little bit.

[g++]

I hope it didnt give you the hiccups.

[AnticorRifling]

Lol that shit was killing me last night F U!

[g++]

From the patch notes


Shapeshifts: Entering or leaving a shapeshift no longer cancels root effects. It continues to cancel movement slowing effects.

Prepare to die you dirty resto druids.

[TheEschaton]

fuck yes.

[Some Rogue]

Incoming QQ wave....

[4a6c1]

HAHAHAH!

[Nieninque]

So now druids can get out of zero CC.

Nice one Blizzard. Fucking retards.

[TheEschaton]

except you can't be poly'd or hexed, at all, let alone having to get out of it.

[Nieninque]

except you can't be poly'd or hexed, at all, let alone having to get out of it.

You can be poly'd and hexed in caster form. You can no longer shapeshift to break poly and never could from hex.

[subzero]

You can be poly'd and hexed in caster form. You can no longer shapeshift to break poly and never could from hex.

Suck it. Warlocks have had fear fucked with since like the first patch. And it STILL gets messed with.

[Nieninque]

Suck it. Warlocks have had fear fucked with since like the first patch. And it STILL gets messed with.

I'm not even bothered by the nerf to Berzerk. I dont play feral very much and it's not like Blizz would ever ignore warlock crying for very long. The concern is more about the inability to break roots. Feral druids are going to be fucked by that really bad. They can only break roots once every three (two?) minutes now with a trinket, failing that they are pretty redundant within a fight, until they die. At least oomkins and resto can still cast, but ferals are le fuq.
It also means that mages can deep freeze at will (as opposed to almost at will) and there will be no way a feral druid can even get close to a frost mage at least.

Pretty fucking stupid

[Solkern]

So, I'm already bored with WoW
Anyone want a mage?
in all 346+ gear, some epics and what not

[AnticorRifling]

You can't quit yet bastard I don't have my rocket! Think of the children!!!!!

[Solkern]

I won't quit till you get your rocket))
someone will take over and you can still get it!)))o
Just got kinda of bored...

[Nieninque]

So, I'm already bored with WoW
Anyone want a mage?
in all 346+ gear, some epics and what not

I'll have it

[g++]

I'm not even bothered by the nerf to Berzerk. I dont play feral very much and it's not like Blizz would ever ignore warlock crying for very long. The concern is more about the inability to break roots. Feral druids are going to be fucked by that really bad. They can only break roots once every three (two?) minutes now with a trinket, failing that they are pretty redundant within a fight, until they die. At least oomkins and resto can still cast, but ferals are le fuq.
It also means that mages can deep freeze at will (as opposed to almost at will) and there will be no way a feral druid can even get close to a frost mage at least.

Pretty fucking stupid

Ill admit it sounds like druids are going to be easy to kill but the way it is right now where ferals just run up to mages and warlocks and beat their faces in with absolutely no fear of being burst or literally feared aint right either. There should be a happy medium where we both are afraid of each others ability to kill the other.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

except you can't be poly'd or hexed, at all, let alone having to get out of it.

Resto druids aren't shape shifted all the time anymore, so they can be. But I'd agree with Nien, the ground freeze/rooting/etc will fuck up ferals.

[Some Rogue]

Oh boo hoo hoo, they have to worry about the same things every other melee class has to now..

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Oh boo hoo hoo, they have to worry about the same things every other melee class has to now..

I don't care, I only pvp for fun. But by "every other melee class" what do you mean? Don't rogues, paladins, and warriors have ways out? DKs have ranged shit now I thought, and what's that leave that cannot escape a root? I guess a feral could shift to humanoid and cast moonfire/wrath etc?

But like I said, I don't really care.

[Parkbandit]

Oh boo hoo hoo, they have to worry about the same things every other melee class has to now..

:rofl:

How do you have to worry about this.. with Blessing of Freedom?

[g++]

Blessing of freedom is dispellable and on a somewhat longish cooldown. Which is why you dont see a whole lot of ret paladins in arena.

What really bugs me about the change is how druids are posting on the forums like..."Well now I have no way to get out of hex or scare beast. GG blizzard now the game is impossible". Why the hell feral druids were ever able to break cc at will is the real question.

[g++]

I don't care, I only pvp for fun. But by "every other melee class" what do you mean? Don't rogues, paladins, and warriors have ways out? DKs have ranged shit now I thought, and what's that leave that cannot escape a root? I guess a feral could shift to humanoid and cast moonfire/wrath etc?

But like I said, I don't really care.

The difference between ferals and all the classes named currently is that their cooldowns run out. A dk is fearable once you see lichborne go down and dks are basically just always snarable unless they use their trinket. Same with warriors they can pop out of fear but they can be snared endlessly. Rogue will eventually run out of tricks and get stuck standing around as well. Druids just shape shift endlessly its impossible to lock them down at all currently. Add the fact that they do obscene dot damage, can shift into bear form and be incredibly hard to kill also have cyclone and now interrupts on their target and you have yourself one hell of an OP spec.

[Parkbandit]

Blessing of freedom is dispellable and on a somewhat longish cooldown. Which is why you dont see a whole lot of ret paladins in arena.


Don't you also have Hand of Freedom that does the same thing.. with a shorter cooldown? I've never gotten a paladin past 30.. due to complete boredom... but I've chased a fair amount of them down.. and they are not easy to stop or slow down at all.



What really bugs me about the change is how druids are posting on the forums like..."Well now I have no way to get out of hex or scare beast. GG blizzard now the game is impossible". Why the hell feral druids were ever able to break cc at will is the real question.

That is true.. it's not the end of the world for druids.

[AnticorRifling]

Blessing of Freedom was renamed to Hand of Freedom, they are the same thing but a lot of pally's still call them blessing of freedom and blessing of salvation instead of hand of freedom and hand of salvation.

[g++]

The thing is...freedom is dispellable...the first thing I do to a paladin is spellsteal him down to the ground so when i see freedom I can steal it. Its not an absolute and its on a 30 second cooldown. Anyone who knows what their doing will do this to a ret paladin its text book. The spell may as well really not even be there.

[AnticorRifling]

Except when you're countered yourself....

All I do is gank on my druid while I'm farming so I probably won't notice these changes but I can see it being an issue in structured PvP.

[g++]

I really dont see why. You enter the arena stealthed put out rogue level damage on a clothie while interrupting him. If you get feared off and cc chained...welcome to the world of everyone else you just lost a match.

[Nieninque]

Ill admit it sounds like druids are going to be easy to kill but the way it is right now where ferals just run up to mages and warlocks and beat their faces in with absolutely no fear of being burst or literally feared aint right either. There should be a happy medium where we both are afraid of each others ability to kill the other.

Scrub mages and warlocks maybe. Heaven forbid a mage or lock may have to do something against something that isnt locked down by rolling their face scross the keyboard.

I give you an example, there is a certain frost mage on our server that I have yet to kill one v one. Reason being, he knows how to play. Despite the fact that I can break roots, I end up stunned every 30 seconds and he is incredibly difficult to pin down. They are good (read: frustrating) fights, but neither of us needs the other being nerfed to fuck in order to have a chance.


:rofl:

How do you have to worry about this.. with Blessing of Freedom?

And blessing of protection. And cleanse (Holy)


Blessing of freedom is dispellable and on a somewhat longish cooldown. Which is why you dont see a whole lot of ret paladins in arena.

What really bugs me about the change is how druids are posting on the forums like..."Well now I have no way to get out of hex or scare beast. GG blizzard now the game is impossible". Why the hell feral druids were ever able to break cc at will is the real question.

They are fucking idiot druids anyway. Getting caught by scare beast aside from the odd time is a scrub problem. Now, I dont ever remember being able to get out of hex, though I might have got that wrong. Given that hex is on a long cooldown, I'm not bothered even if we could.


The difference between ferals and all the classes named currently is that their cooldowns run out. A dk is fearable once you see lichborne go down and dks are basically just always snarable unless they use their trinket. Same with warriors they can pop out of fear but they can be snared endlessly. Rogue will eventually run out of tricks and get stuck standing around as well. Druids just shape shift endlessly its impossible to lock them down at all currently. Add the fact that they do obscene dot damage, can shift into bear form and be incredibly hard to kill also have cyclone and now interrupts on their target and you have yourself one hell of an OP spec.

Well to start, shapeshifting never broke fear. The only ability druids had to break fear was bezerk which was a 20 sec ability on a 3 minute cooldown. Ferals simply were not unfearable, they just had an immune 20 seconds every 3 minutes. Again, why should that not be possible? Heaven forbid warlocks be unable to fear/dot someone from full health to dead on demand.

As for being unable to lock druids down at all, you probably need to go learn how to play. Deep freeze is on a 30 second cooldown? No druid ability ever broke stuns and (feral) druids should be easy to pin down with that. Druids do obscene dot (bleed) damage if they spec into mastery. Bear form is good and all that, but isnt a great help against magic damage. Quite simply, I love how people are saying well why should druids be immune from roots, without considering why mages should be able to nova everything in place until dead and warlocks should be able to fear everything until dead.

Druids were never able to break CC at will, but they were able to break some. They could not break sleep, (hibernate, wyvern sting), any kind of stun (and lets face it, is there anyone who cant stun?), blind (although that used to be poison and dispellable by someone else), and fear for 160 seconds out of every 180, or at all if not feral. The fact that Mages and Warlocks, want to destroy everyone at will is the key here...and the fact that Blizz keep handing it to them.

[g++]

Scrub mages and warlocks maybe. Heaven forbid a mage or lock may have to do something against something that isnt locked down by rolling their face scross the keyboard.

I give you an example, there is a certain frost mage on our server that I have yet to kill one v one. Reason being, he knows how to play. Despite the fact that I can break roots, I end up stunned every 30 seconds and he is incredibly difficult to pin down. They are good (read: frustrating) fights, but neither of us needs the other being nerfed to fuck in order to have a chance.



And blessing of protection. And cleanse (Holy)



They are fucking idiot druids anyway. Getting caught by scare beast aside from the odd time is a scrub problem. Now, I dont ever remember being able to get out of hex, though I might have got that wrong. Given that hex is on a long cooldown, I'm not bothered even if we could.



Well to start, shapeshifting never broke fear. The only ability druids had to break fear was bezerk which was a 20 sec ability on a 3 minute cooldown. Ferals simply were not unfearable, they just had an immune 20 seconds every 3 minutes. Again, why should that not be possible? Heaven forbid warlocks be unable to fear/dot someone from full health to dead on demand.

As for being unable to lock druids down at all, you probably need to go learn how to play. Deep freeze is on a 30 second cooldown? No druid ability ever broke stuns and (feral) druids should be easy to pin down with that. Druids do obscene dot (bleed) damage if they spec into mastery. Bear form is good and all that, but isnt a great help against magic damage. Quite simply, I love how people are saying well why should druids be immune from roots, without considering why mages should be able to nova everything in place until dead and warlocks should be able to fear everything until dead.

Druids were never able to break CC at will, but they were able to break some. They could not break sleep, (hibernate, wyvern sting), any kind of stun (and lets face it, is there anyone who cant stun?), blind (although that used to be poison and dispellable by someone else), and fear for 160 seconds out of every 180, or at all if not feral. The fact that Mages and Warlocks, want to destroy everyone at will is the key here...and the fact that Blizz keep handing it to them.

A good feral just shifts out of frost nova so deep freeze is unapplicable. Maybe you need to L2P.

Not to mention lets say I do catch a feral with a frost nova and deep freeze. He will trinket its not like he will ever have to use it for anything else.

[Nieninque]

A good feral just shifts out of frost nova so deep freeze is unapplicable. Maybe you need to L2P.

Not to mention lets say I do catch a feral with a frost nova and deep freeze. He will trinket its not like he will ever have to use it for anything else.

Pet nova...deepfreeze. No global cooldown. Instant.
Are you telling me you can never apply deep freeze?

[Nieninque]

Plus I'm not saying I'm a good feral. I just know that ferals arent invincible, despite the amount of mage tears.

[g++]

Pet nova...deepfreeze. No global cooldown. Instant.
Are you telling me you can never apply deep freeze?

No I can get deep freeze off occasionally its far from a sure thing though and generally the ferals I play in arena dont sit around at range licking their paws waiting for me to deep freeze they are in your face dotting you like crazy and are unsnarable. So they trinket the deep freeze I cold snap my elems ability is down if they manage to shift my shattered barrier or nova before I can freeze them again Im going to die. You are in absolutely no threat of dying. I cant even cast a spell with you on me that has a cast bar.

[Nieninque]

No I can get deep freeze off occasionally its far from a sure thing though and generally the ferals I play in arena dont sit around at range licking their paws waiting for me to deep freeze they are in your face dotting you like crazy and are unsnarable. So they trinket the deep freeze I cold snap my elems ability is down if they manage to shift my shattered barrier or nova before I can freeze them again Im going to die. You are in absolutely no threat of dying. I cant even cast a spell with you on me that has a cast bar.

This is how things have been for every other class that comes up against a frost mages since forever. The best that used to happen mage v druid is that the druid used to be able to get away. Whenever druids are able to kill something, people get all indignant. How dare my easy-kill class kill me!? Unacceptable.

The fact that you can get novas off is great. It shows it can be done. I also dont want to sound harsh, but why the fuck should it be a sure thing? Who else has a sure thing when pvping? Oh yeah, warlocks.

Arenas are also not the only consideration. Some of us PVP outside of the arena. Having said that, you never start alone in an arena, so if you are struggling against a druid on your own, maybe your partner should do something instead of just watching you, or maybe you should rethink strat/class combo.

[g++]

Heh the funny thing is my arena partner is E so the real way a feral match usually plays out is Arg saying ferals on me....im dispersed...im dead.

How exactly do you help your partner against a feral druid? Emotional support. Their IMMUNE to everything.

As I said I think the changes are a bit over the top, ferals should have a hand of freedom like ability and I dont think having berserk was a deal breaker but the way ferals are THIS MOMENT. They pop berserk and are fully capable of killing someone in 20 seconds while shifting out of cc. Thats also OP.

[Nieninque]

Well, if something gets the jump on you it's hard in WoW.
You have psychic horror and deepfreeze (assuming nubface is shadow). Failing that, I wonder why we arent seeing more solo druids in arenas, if one druid can take down a mage and priest in 20 seconds.

It's paper scissors stone a lot in wow pvp, certainly cookie cutter and most of the time, regardless of the skill of individual, some classes have a better time against them than others...and vice versa.

Apparently crying to devs a lot about how you lose on occasions helps you not to.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Feral dots are getting a downgrade come next patch I thought? Maybe I read wrong, but I thought they were uping direct damage, lowering dots.

In either case, I think there are two feral dots that require just one hit, one that is from stealth, the other is um... number 4 on my bar, lol. The rest require more than one hit, don't they? Casters can't do their thing in the time it takes a feral to hit multiple times?

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Err, not feral tank btw, I mean kitty.

And yes, I love druids, so much I have two, though Posiblyurdad is really just a farmer I occasionally raid with :)

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/azjolnerub/posiblyurdad/advanced
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/azjolnerub/tayvin/advanced

[TheEschaton]

When a feral opens up against me, I'm usually stunned, which I trinket out of, I usually disperse if he's sticking on my ass, out of disperse, I pop fear (if we're bursting his partner) or psychic horror if we're bursting him. Problem is, both are fear effects which can be berserked out of, and if I use the other one immediately, it can be trinketed out of, and now not only are neither up (Horror has a 1 minute CD, Scream a 26 second-ish CD, these are when glyphed), but even if they were up, they'd be on massive DR. That usually equals me being dead if Pjaay can't effectively peel off me. In theory with a trinket down, he should be able to snare a druid, but shapeshifting out of roots has always impaired that. I have no stuns to talk about and his one stun requires a root to be put on to begin with.

Now I suppose I could always Horror the druid so he's at least disarmed for a bit, but, well, yeah. I don't know if I have any basis for reality in this opinion, but disarming a druid seems pointless when they use their claws. Sure, they hit softer, but a warrior, rogue, DK, ret, or hunter can't DPS me at all when I disarm them. I can Fade out of infected wounds and pop inner will to move a bit quicker, but feral swftness will always catch me. Even if I could put some distance, Feral Charge - Cat is on, what, a 30 second or less CD, and that dazes me. But again, Fade is on a 15 second CD for me, so I'm not really concerned about the snares, but the closing of the distance is still impossible to combat without my partner doing some serious peeling.

[g++]

When a feral opens up against me, I'm usually stunned, which I trinket out of, I usually disperse if he's sticking on my ass, out of disperse, I pop fear (if we're bursting his partner) or psychic horror if we're bursting him. Problem is, both are fear effects which can be berserked out of, and if I use the other one immediately, it can be trinketed out of, and now not only are neither up (Horror has a 1 minute CD, Scream a 26 second-ish CD, these are when glyphed), but even if they were up, they'd be on massive DR. That usually equals me being dead if Pjaay can't effectively peel off me. In theory with a trinket down, he should be able to snare a druid, but shapeshifting out of roots has always impaired that. I have no stuns to talk about and his one stun requires a root to be put on to begin with.

Now I suppose I could always Horror the druid so he's at least disarmed for a bit, but, well, yeah. I don't know if I have any basis for reality in this opinion, but disarming a druid seems pointless when they use their claws. Sure, they hit softer, but a warrior, rogue, DK, ret, or hunter can't DPS me at all when I disarm them. I can Fade out of infected wounds and pop inner will to move a bit quicker, but feral swftness will always catch me. Even if I could put some distance, Feral Charge - Cat is on, what, a 30 second or less CD, and that dazes me. But again, Fade is on a 15 second CD for me, so I'm not really concerned about the snares, but the closing of the distance is still impossible to combat without my partner doing some serious peeling.

Yah pretty much exactly. On top of this the suggestion that I should use deep freeze on ferals in arena is somewhat laughable. Its always feral/holy paladin. If you can teach me how to kill a holy paladin after I just blew all my burst for the entire match buying 14 seconds for Arguendo to survive the feral I will teach you how to dougie. Just to show how obscenely over powered this is let me pose a question. What if the feral cyclone spams me before he gets on Arguendo? I will be taken out of the match. If I spend all my effort frost bolt spamming, nova'ing, deep freezing, the feral it takes him about 1 second to remove it all.

[g++]

The 4,5,8,12,16,21, and 31 teams on cyclone in 2's are feral druid/healer.

[Nieninque]

When a feral opens up against me, I'm usually stunned, which I trinket out of, I usually disperse if he's sticking on my ass, out of disperse, I pop fear (if we're bursting his partner) or psychic horror if we're bursting him. Problem is, both are fear effects which can be berserked out of, and if I use the other one immediately, it can be trinketed out of, and now not only are neither up (Horror has a 1 minute CD, Scream a 26 second-ish CD, these are when glyphed), but even if they were up, they'd be on massive DR. That usually equals me being dead if Pjaay can't effectively peel off me. In theory with a trinket down, he should be able to snare a druid, but shapeshifting out of roots has always impaired that. I have no stuns to talk about and his one stun requires a root to be put on to begin with.

Now I suppose I could always Horror the druid so he's at least disarmed for a bit, but, well, yeah. I don't know if I have any basis for reality in this opinion, but disarming a druid seems pointless when they use their claws. Sure, they hit softer, but a warrior, rogue, DK, ret, or hunter can't DPS me at all when I disarm them. I can Fade out of infected wounds and pop inner will to move a bit quicker, but feral swftness will always catch me. Even if I could put some distance, Feral Charge - Cat is on, what, a 30 second or less CD, and that dazes me. But again, Fade is on a 15 second CD for me, so I'm not really concerned about the snares, but the closing of the distance is still impossible to combat without my partner doing some serious peeling.

Psychic Horror is (the clue is in the question) a horror effect, not a fear effect, so berzerk doesnt affect it, nor make a druid immune from it. How do you fare against Warriors, because aside from stealth, they have the same ability to stun, bleed, be immune to or break fear and the ability to trinket?
It also sounds as if you blow everything in the first couple of seconds (ooer missus) and then stand there fucked. Trinketing out of a three second stun when you are at full health seems a waste of a trinket to me.

I'm not surprised you die to feral druids. It also needs to be said that the fact that people die to feral druids - sometimes very easily, does not mean that ferals are OP, nor that abilities that all druids have had since the game began are OP. It means bads are bad.

[AnticorRifling]

So they should nerf the class because it's one comp (always feral holy) that you have problems with.


Double dps teams are generally going to have problems with a pally healer aren't they? Oh hi bubbles, clenses, plate, aura, freedom, etc.

How do you do against feral + anything not holy pally?

[g++]

I peel warriors off him and we rape them. Warriors are not immune to every spell in the game.

[AnticorRifling]

If they are starting with a stun then you're not eating their huge out of stealth burst, I rarely open with that stun because it's so short.

[Nieninque]

The 4,5,8,12,16,21, and 31 teams on cyclone in 2's are feral druid/healer.

It's always been that way. The class combos change, but cookie cutter pvp is cookie cutter pvp. 2v2 arenas are not what Blizz balance pvp for anyway. They are geared more for 3s and 5s.

ZOMG STRAND OF THE ANCIENTS IS TOO HARD IF THE OTHER TEAM HAS FROST MAGES...mages will be nerfed pretty hard when it comes their way.

[AnticorRifling]

I would say let's give it a go but I arena with Bob so I'm already going in with my knees broken, weapons in my bank and armor made out of burlap (nature's leather).

[Nieninque]

If they are starting with a stun then you're not eating their huge out of stealth burst, I rarely open with that stun because it's so short.

Ravage against anything with resilience is such a disappointment. Would rather have the bleeds personally. Especially if you stack mastery.

[g++]

2v2 arenas are not what Blizz balance pvp for anyway.


Thats an interesting thought. Especially since your getting balanced into the ground right now for what I can only imagine is largely because of 2v2 arena results. IE a bunch of bads playing feral suddenly going glad.

[AnticorRifling]

The 4,5,8,12,16,21, and 31 teams on cyclone in 2's are feral druid/healer.

Season 1 it was comp A, Season 2 it was comp B, Season 3 it was comp potato, etc. etc. etc.

[g++]

I would say let's give it a go but I arena with Bob so I'm already going in with my knees broken, weapons in my bank and armor made out of burlap (nature's leather).

Play with Salv imo.

[AnticorRifling]

Ravage against anything with resilience is such a disappointment. Would rather have the bleeds personally. Especially if you stack mastery.

Really? That sucks, like I said all do feral is gank in world pvp so generally they are in pve gear.

[AnticorRifling]

Play with Salv imo.

But then I would have to respec and actually try to win instead of laughing my ass off at Bob.

[Nieninque]

Thats an interesting thought. Especially since your getting balanced into the ground right now for what I can only imagine is largely because of 2v2 arena results. IE a bunch of bads playing feral suddenly going glad.

Nerfing a class into pointlessness isnt balancing.

[Danical]

YOU GUYS! PROTIP!

Taunt is a targeted spell!

I got booted from my dungeon because I didn't know what the fuck I was doing and I thought taunt was AoE. :(

Note to self: Strike is a super sweet spell, use it as frequently as possible.

[Nieninque]

Yah pretty much exactly. On top of this the suggestion that I should use deep freeze on ferals in arena is somewhat laughable. Its always feral/holy paladin. If you can teach me how to kill a holy paladin after I just blew all my burst for the entire match buying 14 seconds for Arguendo to survive the feral I will teach you how to dougie. Just to show how obscenely over powered this is let me pose a question. What if the feral cyclone spams me before he gets on Arguendo? I will be taken out of the match. If I spend all my effort frost bolt spamming, nova'ing, deep freezing, the feral it takes him about 1 second to remove it all.

LOL @ Cyclone spam.

3 seconds 1.5 seconds .75 seconds immune.
Shares DR with roots. If he cyclone spams you before he gets on arguendo, he didnt attack arguendo with pounce and should have a good set of dots on him before arguendo is even touched...so remind me how he would die?

[g++]

Nerfing a class into pointlessness isnt balancing.

I agree. I think it would be a little naive to think the changes are because ferals are running rampant in fives and winning too many rated battle grounds though. Ferals are over powered in 2's. Like I said in my opinion the change is somewhat over the top but ferals had a nerf of some form coming to their immunities. If you want to do rogue level damage you need to be able to be cc'd.

[g++]

Cyclone is 6/3/1.5 and 11 seconds is more than the 0 my polymorph or the 1 second my frost nova cc's ferals.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I agree. I think it would be a little naive to think the changes are because ferals are running rampant in fives and winning too many rated battle grounds though. Ferals are over powered in 2's. Like I said in my opinion the change is somewhat over the top but ferals had a nerf of some form coming to their immunities. If you want to do rogue level damage you need to be able to be cc'd.

Sounds like holy pali's are OP in 2's as well, given what you said earlier?

[g++]

Sounds like holy pali's are OP in 2's as well, given what you said earlier?

Holy paladins are just over powered in general in every facet of the game. They have been nerfed several times already and more is coming.

[SpiffyJr]

Holy paladins are just over powered in general in every facet of the game. They have been nerfed several times already and more is coming.

If you can't handle a feral druid as a frost mage you fucking suck. End of story. I'd much rather blizzard nerf my damage again, and again, and again, and again and keep my mobility in tact. I played this class in Vanillia because of mobility. I returned after a 4/5 year break and picked druid because I wanted to remain mobile. If this change goes through I'll be switching to DK because when I'm rooted I want some sort of defense against the onslaught of gaydom that is about to be flung my way.

P.S. - If you can't deep freeze a druid, you fucking suck. You have a GCD (shift time) to get off an instant nova + deep freeze from your elemental. Stop being bad. You also have LULZREMOVEDOTS, cold snap, roots, blinks, and mad slows. If a druid is shifting to remove your snares and/or roots then they aren't doing anything but white damage + bleeds to you.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Aren't bleeds the single largest damage component of feral cats? I know when I look at my recount it usually is the bleeds. I think thats why they are lowering kitty bleed damage and upping kitty direct damage.

[SpiffyJr]

Aren't bleeds the single largest damage component of feral cats? I know when I look at my recount it usually is the bleeds. I think thats why they are lowering kitty bleed damage and upping kitty direct damage.

Yes, but like you said, they're being reduced.

[TheEschaton]

Psychic Horror is (the clue is in the question) a horror effect, not a fear effect, so berzerk doesnt affect it, nor make a druid immune from it. How do you fare against Warriors, because aside from stealth, they have the same ability to stun, bleed, be immune to or break fear and the ability to trinket?
It also sounds as if you blow everything in the first couple of seconds (ooer missus) and then stand there fucked. Trinketing out of a three second stun when you are at full health seems a waste of a trinket to me.

I'm not surprised you die to feral druids. It also needs to be said that the fact that people die to feral druids - sometimes very easily, does not mean that ferals are OP, nor that abilities that all druids have had since the game began are OP. It means bads are bad.

Huh, you know why I thought they were always trinketing out of my PH? Because it's a 3 second horror. Warriors are cake compared to ferals, I don't bother fearing them, I wait til they hamstring into bladestorm, then I fade/PH to disarm and put distance, and then blow them up. Most are too stupid to know what to do without a weapon, though the smart ones might get a spell reflect or a charge stun off on me.

[TheEschaton]

But I can cleanse any DoT reflected back at me, and they still have no weapon for 8 seconds even if they charge.

[g++]

If you can't handle a feral druid as a frost mage you fucking suck. End of story. I'd much rather blizzard nerf my damage again, and again, and again, and again and keep my mobility in tact. I played this class in Vanillia because of mobility. I returned after a 4/5 year break and picked druid because I wanted to remain mobile. If this change goes through I'll be switching to DK because when I'm rooted I want some sort of defense against the onslaught of gaydom that is about to be flung my way.

P.S. - If you can't deep freeze a druid, you fucking suck. You have a GCD (shift time) to get off an instant nova + deep freeze from your elemental. Stop being bad. You also have LULZREMOVEDOTS, cold snap, roots, blinks, and mad slows. If a druid is shifting to remove your snares and/or roots then they aren't doing anything but white damage + bleeds to you.

I dont have too do any of that. I can just snare you now. :) now you fucking suck.

My problem has never been dueling druids not that I give a fuck about dueling or pvp <85 because its stupid. Its peeling druids.

[SpiffyJr]

I dont have too do any of that. I can just snare you now. :) now you fucking suck.

My problem has never been dueling druids not that I give a fuck about dueling or pvp <85 because its stupid. Its peeling druids.

You mean you have to root me. I'll still shift snares.

If the shifting change goes through what class does a frost mage have issues with?

[AnticorRifling]

I don't have problems with frost mages. But I'm OPP yeah you know me.

[g++]

You mean you have to root me. I'll still shift snares.

If the shifting change goes through what class does a frost mage have issues with?

In what a duel? I guess shadowpriests, locks, rogues are the hardest to duel, lock down protection warriors can be a bitch as well. Like I said ferals are not totally intimidating in a duel currently. I dont care about duels or world pvp.

In an arena I think most class compositions are fairly balanced at the moment. Holy paladins heal too well because of the talent that gives them holy power every time their hit which kind of rules out killing them first...or ever. Ferals and rogues are a bitch for largely the same reason they tend to be able to kill someone before their ever cc'able. I always hate seeing other mages because polymorph tag is annoying and a good aff lock with a healer can be painful. The game isnt entirely based on counter comps unless your playing at gladiator level which no one here is.

Well Keller might be actually for all I know.

[Alfster]

Stolen from the official wow forums, on most awkward player experiences.

A job interview with Marty Stoken (head of development for Gemstone III/IV in the late 90s) in which certain...conflicts between our player characters within the game itself were discussed...

Of course it was a much smaller game and the chances of unknowingly meeting and interacting with a GMs PC in those days were actually fairly high. Still, it's an uncomfortable moment sitting through a job interview with someone who already knows a great deal about you from log files and in-game activity...and not all of it flattering.

Doreane, was that you?

[Alfster]

I've also found a strangely large amount of people who played gs3 back in the day, and use that as a reference on guild apps.

[Liagala]

Stolen from the official wow forums, on most awkward player experiences.

A job interview with Marty Stoken (head of development for Gemstone III/IV in the late 90s) in which certain...conflicts between our player characters within the game itself were discussed...

Of course it was a much smaller game and the chances of unknowingly meeting and interacting with a GMs PC in those days were actually fairly high. Still, it's an uncomfortable moment sitting through a job interview with someone who already knows a great deal about you from log files and in-game activity...and not all of it flattering.

Doreane, was that you?
Not guilty. I post as Dora on the official wow forums, and Lia on the mmo-ones. Also, I've never worked for Simu, nor have I attempted to. Besides, all my log files and in-game activities are complimentary. We all know I'd never do anything wrong.

[Nieninque]

Not guilty. I post as Dora on the official wow forums, and Lia on the mmo-ones. Also, I've never worked for Simu, nor have I attempted to. Besides, all my log files and in-game activities are complimentary. We all know I'd never do anything wrong.

Littlefang?

[Liagala]

Littlefang?
Nope, Lia. I have no idea who that is, but between this and Alfster's question, I'm beginning to think there's something going on here I'm not aware of. Do people think I'm someone other than me?

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I don't have problems with frost mages. But I'm OPP yeah you know me.

You are Other People's Pussy? I'm guessing that means you get fucked alot.

[Alfster]

Nope, Lia. I have no idea who that is, but between this and Alfster's question, I'm beginning to think there's something going on here I'm not aware of. Do people think I'm someone other than me?

Character that posted this was a lvl 5 warlock named "Dorra" which led me to you!

[SpiffyJr]

Disentanglement (new specialization): Causes shapeshifting to remove roots in addition to snares.

1 2 3

[TheEschaton]

New specialization?

[Some Rogue]

For resto druids

[Liagala]

Character that posted this was a lvl 5 warlock named "Dorra" which led me to you!
That makes sense! To clarify, when I say I post as Dora on the official forums, I mean Doraene. I don't have a Dorra character. Though now I do have to hunt that person down. Two Doras (close enough in spelling) that played Gemstone is interesting.

[Alfster]

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/1827257969?page=2

[Nieninque]

New specialization?
otherwise known as talent

[Some Rogue]

Or is it the bonus you get for speccing into the tree?

[Nieninque]

Ah maybe. That would kinda make things more bearable. All resto druids can do really is heal and get away, take that away from them and they are borked. Rooted until they run our of mana and die. They still need to do something about mage novas though. I can deal with the rest as they are (allegedly) on diminshing returns and either have longish cooldowns or are on a cast time. The amount of times you are nova'd v a frost mage is kinda ridiculous.

[SpiffyJr]

Ah maybe. That would kinda make things more bearable. All resto druids can do really is heal and get away, take that away from them and they are borked. Rooted until they run our of mana and die. They still need to do something about mage novas though. I can deal with the rest as they are (allegedly) on diminshing returns and either have longish cooldowns or are on a cast time. The amount of times you are nova'd v a frost mage is kinda ridiculous.

I was making a list of all the roots:
- Frost Nova
- Imp Hamstring
- Wing Clip ( I think )
- Imp Earthbind

That's all I came up with and the only one I care about is frost nova. It's fucking ridiculous. Typical fight: nova'd, break frost shield (nova'd), pet nova'd, slowed, slowed, cold of cone (nova'd), frost nova... it's fucking stupid. If they would fix that broke ass class I probably wouldn't care as much about the root change.

[TheEschaton]

What was said about me literally a page ago? Oh yeah, if you're dying to frost mages, that's not an indication that they're OP. Bads will be bads.

[Nieninque]

What was said about me literally a page ago? Oh yeah, if you're dying to frost mages, that's not an indication that they're OP. Bads will be bads.

Stupid fucker.
I said that about you dying to ferals before they are being fucked over. I have an inkling that you are still going to be fucked over by ferals because you cant PVP. Your account of how you counter a feral is proof of that.

I'm not dying to frost mages particularly. Most fights with a frost mage where I die include an ice block and at least one other Horde. That will obviously change with the patch.

As a priest, of course you dont care about novas, you can dispel. It's all a reduntant argument to you, but druids will have no way of breaking novas, which they experience incessantly.

[Tea & Strumpets]

Not to brag, but I've killed many of the people posting in this thread hundreds of times.

[Some Rogue]

Wiping a raid doesn't count.

[Parkbandit]

Wiping a raid doesn't count.

/winner

[Danical]

Where's a good place to go for macros? I find the scripting language woefully bad and it seems a lot of the API on the wowwiki has been protected so I can't perform good macros.

halp this noob?

[TheEschaton]

The scripting language is purposefully woefully bad, so people can't just automate the game via macros.

[Danical]

The scripting language is purposefully woefully bad, so people can't just automate the game via macros.

I've researched and seen some people hack their LAU or something. Is that like an addon or something totally not ok with blizzard?

[TheEschaton]

Altering the scripting language to allow more flexibility will probably earn you a ban if caught.

[AestheticDeath]

i just saw an alliance toon on my server named carlspackler - guy with that name posts here doesnt he?

[g++]

Stupid fucker.
I said that about you dying to ferals before they are being fucked over. I have an inkling that you are still going to be fucked over by ferals because you cant PVP. Your account of how you counter a feral is proof of that.

I'm not dying to frost mages particularly. Most fights with a frost mage where I die include an ice block and at least one other Horde. That will obviously change with the patch.

As a priest, of course you dont care about novas, you can dispel. It's all a reduntant argument to you, but druids will have no way of breaking novas, which they experience incessantly.


I would be interested to hear your strategy for a shadow priest to get a feral druid off him assuming the feral is getting heals and cannot be killed.

[Nieninque]

I would be interested to hear your strategy for a shadow priest to get a feral druid off him assuming the feral is getting heals and cannot be killed.

See, once again the clue is in the question. It's about the combo rather than how OP the feral is.

However, you have a bunch of interrupts to the healing with poly, counter, silence, fear, horror another poly.

You also have the mage stuff that should be able to get the feral off the priest to give him a bit of space.

I havent played a priest above 60 so it's not for me to preach to you about how to play a priest, I do know that if a priest I am fighting blows everything within 3 seconds, it makes for an easy win.

Have a look at arena junkies for some tips if you are struggling. Just dont blame your deficiencies on others being OP.

[Nieninque]

i just saw an alliance toon on my server named carlspackler - guy with that name posts here doesnt he?

No he just posts pictures of himself drinking.

[Nieninque]

Wiping a raid doesn't count.

HAHAHAHA

[g++]

You also have the mage stuff that should be able to get the feral off the priest to give him a bit of space.

You mean like frost nova the spell he can instantly shift out of right now? Pretty funny your own conclusion for how to defeat a feral involves rooting them.

I never said shit about ferals being OP I just said I like the change to shift because I will be able to assist arg with them. Somehow youve got it turned around like I have been constantly bitching about ferals. I just happen to agree with blizzard that ferals have too much mobility.

[SpiffyJr]

You mean like frost nova the spell he can instantly shift out of right now? Pretty funny your own conclusion for how to defeat a feral involves rooting them.

I never said shit about ferals being OP I just said I like the change to shift because I will be able to assist arg with them. Somehow youve got it turned around like I have been constantly bitching about ferals. I just happen to agree with blizzard that ferals have too much mobility.

Of course you do. You're a mage and we're druids - one of the few classes that can/could mitigate your gayness.

[g++]

Of course you do. You're a mage and we're druids - one of the few classes that can/could mitigate your gayness.

Yes I only play one class. I only keep the 3 other 85s and 4 other 80s around to worship my mage. Im not playing a druid RIGHT NOW by the way.

[Nieninque]

You mean like frost nova the spell he can instantly shift out of right now? Pretty funny your own conclusion for how to defeat a feral involves rooting them.

The same feral that is killing The E in 6 seconds and cycloning you whilst shapeshifting out of cat form to avoid the novas you are putting him in.


I never said shit about ferals being OP I just said I like the change to shift because I will be able to assist arg with them. Somehow youve got it turned around like I have been constantly bitching about ferals. I just happen to agree with blizzard that ferals have too much mobility.
No shit. You dont like that a class that can kill you requires that you exercise some skil to kill in return.

[Tea & Strumpets]

No he just posts pictures of himself drinking.

And I'm pretty sure Carl Spackler is the groundskeeper in Caddyshack (Bill Murray).

[Nieninque]

Yep

[g++]

The same feral that is killing The E in 6 seconds and cycloning you whilst shapeshifting out of cat form to avoid the novas you are putting him in.

Generally ferals dont cyclone me anymore since they dont have to bother since they can just smash their face on their keyboard and count to 5 in the vicinity of E while their healer plays peekaboo. They used to last season when I played with a healer though. I just brought it up to illustrate that almost anyone else, myself included can be peeled for a few seconds to save their partner.

Feral druids do shift novas, well for at least another week or two anyway.



No shit. You dont like that a class that can kill you requires that you exercise some skil to kill in return.

Is skill another word for the "mage stuff" I should be using to peel feral druids? The fact that ferals cant be rooted, snared, or cc'd is why the class requires no skill on either end it just becomes a max burst faceroll on all sides.

[Nieninque]

So why has it taken 6 years? Shifting out of roots has been there since the game started, and all of a sudden the mage tears are a-flowing.

[Nieninque]

Generally ferals dont cyclone me anymore since they dont have to bother since they can just smash their face on their keyboard and count to 5 in the vicinity of E while their healer plays peekaboo. They used to last season when I played with a healer though. I just brought it up to illustrate that almost anyone else, myself included can be peeled for a few seconds to save their partner.

LOL...then the problem either lies with The E or your combo, or both.

[g++]

Post 1. I would imagine because your damage is much better now and you no longer have to sit on someone for 20 seconds to be a threat. I have never made a post complaining about feral druids. I simply stated I understand why you were nerfed. Once again the idea that I wander around all day bitching about ferals is pretty far removed from reality. The only reason im discussing it is because the nerf happened.

Post 2. I think we will be fine. I appreciate the tips though and have been reading up on this "mage stuff" which will surely earn us the achievement world wide winner shortly. I have also instructed Arguendo that in arena from now to not blow his cooldowns early as apparently this is what you think will help a duel dps team win. Saving his trinket for the "You have been defeated screen" will surely improve our standings.

We are both also going to join scientology. Hopefully some advanced auditing will help us as well.

[Tea & Strumpets]

HAHAHAHA

FU and PB. That was such an obvious setup that I refuse to let Some Rogue take credit for my joke. Also, F Some Rogue.

Also, F whoever is reading this.

[SpiffyJr]

Yes I only play one class. I only keep the 3 other 85s and 4 other 80s around to worship my mage. Im not playing a druid RIGHT NOW by the way.

No wonder you're a baddie. You don't spend enough time on one character to hone your skillz. n00b

[g++]

No wonder you're a baddie. You don't spend enough time on one character to hone your skillz. n00b

It must be hard to type with ghostcrawlers penis lodged in your ass.

Hows the DK coming?

[SpiffyJr]

It must be hard to type with ghostcrawlers penis lodged in your ass.

Hows the DK coming?

You win. That was f'in hilarious.

/me pwned

New sig ftw.

[pabstblueribbon]

Hey guys,

I've been lurking in this thread since the number of dicks that George Washington possessed was brought into question. I am considering playing that game you all talk about. I work with two guys who play and when they get going with the blarfety bleep-boop dps mumbo jumbo I want to draw back my hand very slowly and very deliberately so that they are aware of the near-future consequences before I backhand the taste out of their mouths. Admitedly, I am jealous that I do not know how to speak in robot. I've tried swatting them with rolled up newspapers but it loses it's effectiveness when they resume the bee-boop-bee-boop DPS-CRS-HIV-EoE communications protocol.

If you can't beat em, join em right? So I have a few nub questions and they are mostly directed at Nein because honestly, she seems the most knowledgeable and she schools you guys constantly. From what I've read, she's got this shit on lock. Don't come to her court wearing your corky approved velcro shoes, cause she's laced up and rocking Reebok pumps, that's all I'm saying.

Side note, one thing I've noticed is that she spells armour correctly. Those extra u's in her words aren't there by accident. You don't use them because you can't afford them.

Anyways, I have some questions before I start so that I'm prepared for how much more badass my life will be when I can robot talk at the water cooler with the other guys. The basic starter kit I've assmebled includes: a 5 gallon bucket, hotpockets, rockstar energy drinks, and a large family value sized jug of moisturising lotion. It helps in keeping the skin 'supple' and at peak performance while you engage in extreme ass-kicking. If i missed anything, please advise in human language.

Without further ado, I have a few action items I would like addressed:

1. Safety concerns: Stretching, Yoga, mental preparedness for the harse realities of the internets. Suggestions for achieving optimal game face.

1. Second are uniforms required? I was considering wearing actual armour just because it would be fucking cool, but I've decided not to in lieu of a sweatband. It's comfortable and it keeps the sweat out of my eyes and it allows me to focus on the game.

2. Percentage wise, how much time will I spend waiting on some slack ass dipshit to wipe up his mountain dew off of his keyboard vs doing important repetative actions over and over to advance in WoW? I don't want to waste any time waisting time.

2. My computer is a beige color on the outside, will I be able to run the game with my current setup? I should also add that I have a professional grade mouse. It has a Kick Buttowski graphic on it. That's what I'm hear to do. I also have an uber speaker setup, sound should come out of my speakers faster thus improving the performance of my computer box.

3. Boars. I have heard one should avoid being 'in a pig's arse', which may be impossible at this point, but are there special techniques or button combos like on mortal kombat? How dangerous are they? Would you ever consider one 'a bit bitey'? How many colors and varieties can I expect? Are they equipped with opposable thumbs and armed with ninja weaponry?

4. Logistics and environment. In order to submerge myself into the world of warcraft, I have purchased and hung a variety of dragon, orc, and general fantasy posters. Would you consider inclement weather a major concern? I'm thinking about getting an umbrella for when I need to run out to purchase hog lumps, frothy beverages, or those fly tape things that you hang about an area when something attracts insects because it has sit there for too long and begins to putrify.

Ah, nearly forgot. A small detail, but a detail nonetheless. Class selection.

Since 'clown' isn't an option, by the way wtf is up with that, I'm thinking I will start with a mage simply for their tanking abilities and amazing DPS. I've also heard their aggro management is probably the best in all the available classes. Healers and tanks also benefit from Mirror Images. I imagine there will be some social hurdles to overcome with players of warlocks since mages are superior in nearly every single way.

Suggestions? Comments? Would you recomment WoW over Two Worlds even with it's superior wolf variety?

I look forward to being friends and hanging out with you guys and robot talking! Beep-boop!

[Liagala]

On the off chance that you actually do have some desire to play and this mess is an attempt to feel cool despite playing World of Warcraft, roll a hunter. Free tank = win, when you have no idea what you're doing.

On the far more likely chance that you think you're trolling, I regret to inform you that it wasn't that funny. It started out decent enough, but that was just WAY too much time and effort, and spiraled into boring stupidity long before it was over. Short, witty one-liners are much better than novels.

[TheEschaton]

Oliver Wilde said that, brevity is the soul of wit.

Yeah, we're not just video game dorks, we're LITERATURE DORKS.

-TheE-

[AestheticDeath]

weak man, just weak

if you want some lessons in trolling send me a PM, I still have Alf getting his panties in a twist after two years

[Nieninque]

Post 1. I would imagine because your damage is much better now and you no longer have to sit on someone for 20 seconds to be a threat. I have never made a post complaining about feral druids. I simply stated I understand why you were nerfed. Once again the idea that I wander around all day bitching about ferals is pretty far removed from reality. The only reason im discussing it is because the nerf happened.

Post 2. I think we will be fine. I appreciate the tips though and have been reading up on this "mage stuff" which will surely earn us the achievement world wide winner shortly. I have also instructed Arguendo that in arena from now to not blow his cooldowns early as apparently this is what you think will help a duel dps team win. Saving his trinket for the "You have been defeated screen" will surely improve our standings.

We are both also going to join scientology. Hopefully some advanced auditing will help us as well.

The mage stuff is also called l2p. It can be learned by priests too I heard.

[Parkbandit]

Hey guys,

I've been lurking in this thread since the number of dicks that George Washington possessed was brought into question. I am considering playing that game you all talk about. I work with two guys who play and when they get going with the blarfety bleep-boop dps mumbo jumbo I want to draw back my hand very slowly and very deliberately so that they are aware of the near-future consequences before I backhand the taste out of their mouths. Admitedly, I am jealous that I do not know how to speak in robot. I've tried swatting them with rolled up newspapers but it loses it's effectiveness when they resume the bee-boop-bee-boop DPS-CRS-HIV-EoE communications protocol.

If you can't beat em, join em right? So I have a few nub questions and they are mostly directed at Nein because honestly, she seems the most knowledgeable and she schools you guys constantly. From what I've read, she's got this shit on lock. Don't come to her court wearing your corky approved velcro shoes, cause she's laced up and rocking Reebok pumps, that's all I'm saying.

Side note, one thing I've noticed is that she spells armour correctly. Those extra u's in her words aren't there by accident. You don't use them because you can't afford them.

Anyways, I have some questions before I start so that I'm prepared for how much more badass my life will be when I can robot talk at the water cooler with the other guys. The basic starter kit I've assmebled includes: a 5 gallon bucket, hotpockets, rockstar energy drinks, and a large family value sized jug of moisturising lotion. It helps in keeping the skin 'supple' and at peak performance while you engage in extreme ass-kicking. If i missed anything, please advise in human language.

Without further ado, I have a few action items I would like addressed:

1. Safety concerns: Stretching, Yoga, mental preparedness for the harse realities of the internets. Suggestions for achieving optimal game face.

1. Second are uniforms required? I was considering wearing actual armour just because it would be fucking cool, but I've decided not to in lieu of a sweatband. It's comfortable and it keeps the sweat out of my eyes and it allows me to focus on the game.

2. Percentage wise, how much time will I spend waiting on some slack ass dipshit to wipe up his mountain dew off of his keyboard vs doing important repetative actions over and over to advance in WoW? I don't want to waste any time waisting time.

2. My computer is a beige color on the outside, will I be able to run the game with my current setup? I should also add that I have a professional grade mouse. It has a Kick Buttowski graphic on it. That's what I'm hear to do. I also have an uber speaker setup, sound should come out of my speakers faster thus improving the performance of my computer box.

3. Boars. I have heard one should avoid being 'in a pig's arse', which may be impossible at this point, but are there special techniques or button combos like on mortal kombat? How dangerous are they? Would you ever consider one 'a bit bitey'? How many colors and varieties can I expect? Are they equipped with opposable thumbs and armed with ninja weaponry?

4. Logistics and environment. In order to submerge myself into the world of warcraft, I have purchased and hung a variety of dragon, orc, and general fantasy posters. Would you consider inclement weather a major concern? I'm thinking about getting an umbrella for when I need to run out to purchase hog lumps, frothy beverages, or those fly tape things that you hang about an area when something attracts insects because it has sit there for too long and begins to putrify.

Ah, nearly forgot. A small detail, but a detail nonetheless. Class selection.

Since 'clown' isn't an option, by the way wtf is up with that, I'm thinking I will start with a mage simply for their tanking abilities and amazing DPS. I've also heard their aggro management is probably the best in all the available classes. Healers and tanks also benefit from Mirror Images. I imagine there will be some social hurdles to overcome with players of warlocks since mages are superior in nearly every single way.

Suggestions? Comments? Would you recomment WoW over Two Worlds even with it's superior wolf variety?

I look forward to being friends and hanging out with you guys and robot talking! Beep-boop!

Drunk and stupid is no way to go through life.

[pabstblueribbon]

weak man, just weak

if you want some lessons in trolling send me a PM, I still have Alf getting his panties in a twist after two years

Could you teach me? On matters concerning Wow in this thread, people generally agree with what you say. My faith in your abilities is beyond doubt.

[pabstblueribbon]

I don't know who Oliver Wilde is but brevity does seem like less of a time sink. I really wasn't trying to poke fun of anyone in particular. Just bored. Satire. Unfunny, very verbose, satire.

Broken foot. Broken more than usual.

[pabstblueribbon]

On the off chance that you actually do have some desire to play and this mess is an attempt to feel cool despite playing World of Warcraft, roll a hunter. Free tank = win, when you have no idea what you're doing.

On the far more likely chance that you think you're trolling, I regret to inform you that it wasn't that funny. It started out decent enough, but that was just WAY too much time and effort, and spiraled into boring stupidity long before it was over. Short, witty one-liners are much better than novels.

Probably not, I need to upgrade my usb hub.


Also I am not thoroughly convinced that you are a qualified book reviewer.

How can I tell? Physics. If you can finish pooping in the time for a few one liners then there's really no point in reading in there.

Given your preference, if I had posted that one line episodically, would you have even cracked a smile?

[RichardCranium]

PBR is my saving grace in all things poop.

[Liagala]

Probably not, I need to upgrade my usb hub.


Also I am not thoroughly convinced that you are a qualified book reviewer.

How can I tell? Physics. If you can finish pooping in the time for a few one liners then there's really no point in reading in there.

Given your preference, if I had posted that one line episodically, would you have even cracked a smile?
Fortunately (or unfortunately, depending on your point of view), women don't measure reading material in poop time. I am however, a fully qualified forum-novel-that-should-have-been-a-single-paragraph reviewer. It's a grueling examination, but I passed it and can now append FNTSHBASP to my name on official documents. To answer your second question, I would have been unable to crack a smile. Reviewers aren't allowed to smile when reviewing forum novels. It's in the handbook. So sorry. Catch me when I'm not reviewing exceedingly and unnecessarily long forum posts and we'll talk. I'm going to quit now, because I'm starting to feel eerily like Stanley.

[pabstblueribbon]

Fortunately (or unfortunately, depending on your point of view), women don't measure reading material in poop time. I am however, a fully qualified forum-novel-that-should-have-been-a-single-paragraph reviewer. It's a grueling examination, but I passed it and can now append FNTSHBASP to my name on official documents. To answer your second question, I would have been unable to crack a smile. Reviewers aren't allowed to smile when reviewing forum novels. It's in the handbook. So sorry. Catch me when I'm not reviewing exceedingly and unnecessarily long forum posts and we'll talk. I'm going to quit now, because I'm starting to feel eerily like Stanley.

AHAHA! "Brown Noise" to text testing, visual psychotropic trials Phase II.

I think this conversation is over. You will not be recieving a copy of my signed book.

[TheEschaton]

Are you guys having trouble logging in today? I get to the loading screen, instead of loading my toons, it asks me to pick a server, I pick Dunemaul, and then it just DCs.

[Nieninque]

Fortunately (or unfortunately, depending on your point of view), women don't measure reading material in poop time. I am however, a fully qualified forum-novel-that-should-have-been-a-single-paragraph reviewer. It's a grueling examination, but I passed it and can now append FNTSHBASP to my name on official documents. To answer your second question, I would have been unable to crack a smile. Reviewers aren't allowed to smile when reviewing forum novels. It's in the handbook. So sorry. Catch me when I'm not reviewing exceedingly and unnecessarily long forum posts and we'll talk. I'm going to quit now, because I'm starting to feel eerily like Stanley.

If you get the urge to spam tubgirl pics across the forums, then rob your parents credit cards to buy drugs, you are well away. Until then, you are probably safe.