UGH

[4a6c1]

Wtf @ encrypted twilight texts?

I refuse to wait 30 levels to undertand what that means...

[Parkbandit]

Wtf @ encrypted twilight texts?

I refuse to wait 30 levels to undertand what that means...

It's an occasional drop from the area... and knowing Anticor, it's probably for some really pretty, pretty tabard that will match his favorite pretty mount.

[AnticorRifling]

It's an occasional drop from the area... and knowing Anticor, it's probably for some really pretty, pretty tabard that will match his favorite pretty mount.

1) Fuck you

2) Yes it does and fuck you

[Parkbandit]

1) Fuck you

2) Yes it does and fuck you

:rofl:

That's awesome.

[Cephalopod]

When you start going to Silithus you're required to send all encrypted twilight texts to me. Thanks. Although you won't stay in that zone long since you'll go to hellfire the moment you hit 58 (at least you will if you're smart).

I think I stuck around Silithus until I hit 60, because I didn't want to fork over money for the expansion pack. This should also validate that I am not, in fact, smart.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Yeah gearing up is hard. I dinged 80 on Sunday and put on t9 shoulders and got t9 gloves later that night. Did some heroics last night and I will have t9 chest tonight...man it's rough. Crafted ilvl 245 bracers, new shield I'm so pro.

Not as pro as me biyotch! I healed heroic PoS and FoS last night! Only one T9 and I didn't get that until after so there.

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Azjol-Nerub&n=abracadavers

God he's got some crappy gear, and some nice gear. I bought the sash of jordan, and bought the boe wrist with badges on Tayvin. I contemplated crafting 245 chest and wrist for him, but damn man... with phat loot drops like they are, I think I'll get them fast enough and save myself like 8k gold.

My guild is short healers other than pali's, so gearing him should be cake (since I'll get to go to most raids).

Also, I lvled him as shadow then respecialized him to holy and discipline. I know fuck all about either and have literally only played heals on him for 4 days now.

Any uber priests on wowarmory I could check out their heal specs? Spell rotations? I use PW:Shield and then Penance for the grace procs. I'm bad about pre-shielding before a pull but I like it because this method of damage mitigation is so new to me. So usually pre-pull or as we run to trash I'll PW:S then throw a Prayer of Mending on the tank. I throw on renew if I have to move alot, but frankly I don't see much benefit from it yet (not sure if I will).

Flash heal for single target heals, and Prayer of Healing in 5 mans. I don't think it'd be very good in a raid, since it's slow and only hits 3 peeps I think.

I have pain suppression bound to a key but very very rarely have used it. I need to get better at throwing it on someone if they draw aggro off the tank. I'm still getting used to throwing a Greater Heal on the tank after a shield because of the spell haste - don't usually need it though and haven't raid healed just yet so not a habit. And frankly more heals in less time gives more chance for inspiration right?

I also throw my shadow beast thingy at bosses whenever I can, only hoping the boss or AoE will kill it and I'll get mana :) I have no idea why but even with 20k mana I run out in simple 5 man heroics. Tayvin at least has innervate!

[g++]

And just goes to show you are too stupid to follow anything I have written. The guild that was 'stuck' on anub was a different one that I quit, and posted as such in the same thread I mentioned the guild being stuck. Maybe you should have caught that point.

I'm not sure where you got the comment about me being stuck on ICC 25s first wing. We have that on farm so long as people show up.

We are 6/9 in 10m, got the horde server first for the first wing when it came out, and we have togc10 on farm.

This guild is about 1-2 months old, I was there when it started, and we are already ranked like 6th horde side for the server 25m, 7th for 10m.


haha I had togc10 on farm 5 months ago, congratulations on your new cutting edge guild. You have the first wing on farm? Thats awsome so do pugs. At least Tamral actually was in a good raiding guild. The only thing your guild has that HoR doesnt is 25 people.

[g++]

Not as pro as me biyotch! I healed heroic PoS and FoS last night! Only one T9 and I didn't get that until after so there.

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Azjol-Nerub&n=abracadavers

God he's got some crappy gear, and some nice gear. I bought the sash of jordan, and bought the boe wrist with badges on Tayvin. I contemplated crafting 245 chest and wrist for him, but damn man... with phat loot drops like they are, I think I'll get them fast enough and save myself like 8k gold.

My guild is short healers other than pali's, so gearing him should be cake (since I'll get to go to most raids).

Also, I lvled him as shadow then respecialized him to holy and discipline. I know fuck all about either and have literally only played heals on him for 4 days now.

Any uber priests on wowarmory I could check out their heal specs? Spell rotations? I use PW:Shield and then Penance for the grace procs. I'm bad about pre-shielding before a pull but I like it because this method of damage mitigation is so new to me. So usually pre-pull or as we run to trash I'll PW:S then throw a Prayer of Mending on the tank. I throw on renew if I have to move alot, but frankly I don't see much benefit from it yet (not sure if I will).

Flash heal for single target heals, and Prayer of Healing in 5 mans. I don't think it'd be very good in a raid, since it's slow and only hits 3 peeps I think.

I have pain suppression bound to a key but very very rarely have used it. I need to get better at throwing it on someone if they draw aggro off the tank. I'm still getting used to throwing a Greater Heal on the tank after a shield because of the spell haste - don't usually need it though and haven't raid healed just yet so not a habit. And frankly more heals in less time gives more chance for inspiration right?

I also throw my shadow beast thingy at bosses whenever I can, only hoping the boss or AoE will kill it and I'll get mana :) I have no idea why but even with 20k mana I run out in simple 5 man heroics. Tayvin at least has innervate!

I copied this priest from Cuties Only personally hes an obvious full blown tank healer.

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Kil%27jaeden&cn=Healslol

I bubble tanks, use pennance when its off cooldown and try to keep prayer of mending flying around. If I run out of shit to do Ill start bubbling the melee and flash healing. You can go another direction with Discipline and try to go disc/deep holy so you can bubble up and use pennance but still raid heal a bit with renew. I just go full blown tank healer and I use pain suppression liberally the cooldown isnt very long and if it looks even a little dicey why risk it. Just make sure you check omen to make sure the tank isnt already having a threat problem because the 5% threat drop will prolly ruin his day. Im not pro at discipline or anything this is like my third alt but i read into it a bit.

As an aside if you ever want to learn about a class, looking around the cuties only roster is a great way to find out, the guild is pretty much 25 of the worlds best players and 50 of their alts. Everyone on there is min/maxxed to perfection and their spec's are all perfect.

[TheEschaton]

Some of us (read: PB and maybe Nekk) don't like him, but Sacrelicious on Dunemaul is Outrage's disc priest now, and he's pretty good. I don't know of any of the other top guilds on the server that use a disc priest though.

Disc healing is all about keeping weakened soul on the tank and anyone else who is taking lots of damage (usually melee). Since the shield can be eaten through before weakened soul wears off (or vice versa), I track it separately from PW:S myself, by setting Grid up to outline a player's frame in red if he has the debuff up. The debuff allows extra healing.

In a full disc spec, greater heal has no real place, it's better to just do flash heals til penance is back up and rock a penance. Keep PoM bouncing, keep shields up on damage takers, penance on the main tank, that's about it. AOE healing is real tough, Prayer of Healing takes damn forever, but if you specced into power infusion, it can be pretty powerful in heavy AOE damage situations in combination with Inner Focus. Wait, can you PI yourself? I forget. Hmmm. I never specced it, because it was considered a PvP thing (disc priest+mage in arenas with PI, LULZ) but it has some situational PvE uses as sort of a pseudo-trinket.

[TheEschaton]

I apped to CUTIES ONLY once, on a lark, btw. They actually took me seriously, til I told them I was in law school. Then they were like, uh, focus on that, dude.

[g++]

Well in heroics PoM is more than enough to AOE heal...your mind set should not be to AOE heal at all in a raid. Your basically a paladin. If the raid dies its not your fault and if you try focusing on the raid and a tank dies it is your fault so just dont even try imo.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Is holy prefered for raid healing? Gear sets seem exactly the same to me between disc and holy?

[g++]

Yes, the gear sets are the same but with holy your going to try to stack serendipity to three and bomb the raid with prayer of healing over and over. Youl still keep mending up and maybe even shield a tank here and there but youll mostly be renew spamming and prayer of healing the raid when they take damage. Basically Disc = tank healer, holy = raid healer. Although as holy you will still want to try to snipe on the tanks a bit to help out.

[4a6c1]

...

Ok so I'm giving AR some twilight blue encrypted text from Silithus when I find it so he can have a pretty pretty tabard for his horsie?

[TheEschaton]

yes, exactly JS.

[TheEschaton]

And disc/holy have the same tier, but disc gears a bit differently. They don't want spirit, but they want crit, because crits regen mana for them. Holy wants spirit, and to some extent, haste, before stacking crit.

[Parkbandit]

Yes, the gear sets are the same but with holy your going to try to stack serendipity to three and bomb the raid with prayer of healing over and over. Youl still keep mending up and maybe even shield a tank here and there but youll mostly be renew spamming and prayer of healing the raid when they take damage. Basically Disc = tank healer, holy = raid healer. Although as holy you will still want to try to snipe on the tanks a bit to help out.

Pretty much. On my priest my #1 heal will generally be renew, followed by PoM, then depending on the fight.. PoH. I only throw out shields on non-tanks as I don't want to disrupt the Disc tank healer's rotation.

[Methais]

Why don't you go suck her cock some more old man? She is better at PVP, cause she has played for five years. And I don't PVP. Your barking up the wrong tree, seeing as I was just saying her gear/character were well behind mine. I couldn't care less how many years she has wasted or how many more she will waste making 80s over and over. Why not concentrate on one, and get some better gear? Shouldn't you be in relentless or some shit by now? Hell that season is almost over/is over? Though I forgot the gear isn't what your after. Cause who wants to improve their character right?

And theE, it isn't the gear, it is that I have attained the gear, and am among the top DPS in all the raids I attend. I haven't been under top 3 in any of the 25m raids in a long time. How much longer have all of you been playing? How much better are all of you leet players? You guys make fun of me for stupid shit you just can't seem to get over, and yet, in the short time I have been playing I caught up to and surpassed most of you. Do any of you even have guys in the top guilds on your servers? I doubt it. Any of you members of Assent? If you guys cannot get into a decent guild and stick with them, you can't be much better than I am, if any. So keep poking fun at the things I have done in the past if that floats your boat. Hope it gets you off.

I now present to you the AestheticDeath WoW Timeline (click here (http://www.baekdal.com/media/content/2008/hd61.jpg) to view in HD):

AD: Hey guys, I bought a high level character(s) and I don't know how to play. Can someone offer me advice?

PC: Sure. First thing you should do is X, and then Y, and if Z ever happens, N is the best solution.

AD: Fuck all that shit.

PC: Ok then stop asking for advice.

AD: Fuck you you're all being assholes.

===============

AD: Hey guys I'm leveling up a character. I bought ridiculous amounts of gold so I can twink my level 1 guy out in white items with l33t enchants and basically formed a mini-corporation of bought character crafters in my epic gold making scheme.

PC: Wtf is wrong with you leveling is so easy Ray Charles could do it with no gear, and same for earning gold.

AD: Yeah well they'll level faster this way so fuck you all.

PC: Ok then. Why do you ask for advice anyway if you just rip on our answers like you know better and then call us assholes?

AD: Whatever.

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AD: Hey guys I wanna be a tank but I keep wiping my group. What am I doing wrong?

PC: Well to start with, you should always keep X active, and use Y ability because it generates more threat.

AD: Why would I use Y ability when Z does more damage?

PC: Because it generates more threat, as indicated in the tooltip.

AD: Fuck you all you're a bunch of assholes.

===============

AD: QQQQQQ we cleared ICC 25 and the GM came in and changed the loot rules!!!

PC: Rabble rabble let's get HoR back together and pwn some 10 mans and maybe pwn some 25 mans if we can stomach the extra douchebags that come with 25m raiding.

AD: OOOOOOOH ICC 10 HUH?!?!?! Guys I'm so much l33ter than all of you because I caught up to you all in gear even though Blizzard just dumps epics on everybody now for even thinking about an instance and omg L2P guys Me > You except in pvp because I still need to L2P outside of a scripted encounter where you already know what's going to happen and when it will happen but still guys I'm better than you all now in an internet game that 11 million people play where gear is a 100% indication of skill so suck on that!

[Parkbandit]

/endthread

[Nieninque]

^

[Cephalopod]

You missed where he said he was being camped by boars... I'm too lazy to dig up that gem.

EDIT: I can't find it, but maybe this is where it got stuck in my mind: http://forum.gsplayers.com/showpost.php?p=925409&postcount=23

[AestheticDeath]

Too bad you don't get paid for wasting all that time Methais.

And Nachos, are you really that fucking stupid?

[Cephalopod]

And Nachos, are you really that fucking stupid?

Yes.

[Methais]

Too bad you don't get paid for wasting all that time Methais.

Took roughly 3 minutes.

[Nieninque]

THATS THREE MINTUES PAY MENG!

[AestheticDeath]

Somehow I think more then 3, not that it really matters.

[Geshron]

Methais, that was full of win.

[4a6c1]

AD: OOOOOOOH ICC 10 HUH?!?!?! Guys I'm so much l33ter than all of you because I caught up to you all in gear even though Blizzard just dumps epics on everybody now for even thinking about an instance and omg L2P guys Me > You except in pvp because I still need to L2P outside of a scripted encounter where you already know what's going to happen and when it will happen but still guys I'm better than you all now in an internet game that 11 million people play where gear is a 100% indication of skill so suck on that!

I'm really upset because this wont fit in my sig box.

I think I might cry.

It's funny and I want to laugh at it every time I see it at least for the next week. WHY CANT I USE IT WHY WHY WHY WHY.

[Methais]

Somehow I think more then 3, not that it really matters.

You might be right. It might have been 3.5. I'll have to take another flight from Orgrimmar to Thousand Needles and subtract 17 seconds off the flight time since that's how much I had left when I was done posting.

I'll be sure to post an update on that this afternoon.

[AnticorRifling]

Too bad you don't get paid for wasting all that time Methais.


You forgot the part about Methais being 100% correct.

[Me]

heh there are tons of excellent players who are not in Assent. Assent requires a lot of time and hours of wiping or waiting to get into raids. Most people do not have that much time to do that. And some omg like pvp more than pve or like just raiding a little bit or only running heroics or pugging. Get over yourself. And if you want to play gear games armory me sucker i have deleted more good gear than you will ever get.

LF

[AnticorRifling]

You know you lost when Littlefang starts "talking the shit" as they say on the streets.

[oldanforgotten]

why are people bickering over progression? this shit is all normal mode right now. It wasn't meant to be difficult.

Bragging about togc 10 is stupid. Trade chat pugs on many servers have that on farm, and have had it since like, October of last year. Being top 3 DPS in a guild that has no hard mode progression doesn't say much of anything. Your standard issue casual pvper with a rival title means more than that.

Most "good" PVE'rs, tend to focus very little on damage done. It is assumed you know how to gear and spec and hit your buttons in the right order. What they care about are things like people who do/don't stand in fire, people who move quickly when they have to, people who pop CD's for damage/survivability at the right time, and people who can adapt quickly.

[AnticorRifling]

If the fire is blue it's right for you. Just ask PB he likes to roast his druid.

[oldanforgotten]

heh there are tons of excellent players who are not in Assent. Assent requires a lot of time and hours of wiping or waiting to get into raids. Most people do not have that much time to do that. And some omg like pvp more than pve or like just raiding a little bit or only running heroics or pugging. Get over yourself. And if you want to play gear games armory me sucker i have deleted more good gear than you will ever get.

LF

Top guilds rarely have a complete monopoly of the best players. Or even close to it. My guild is the strongest alliance guild on the server by a wide margin, and I think it's pretty well known that we have maybe 3 or 4 of the 10 strongest alliance players at best. Most good guilds are defined by the bottom 10 players much moreso than the top 10 ones.

[Parkbandit]

If the fire is blue it's right for you. Just ask PB he likes to roast his druid.

Was this before or after you were dead?

[AnticorRifling]

Probably after, you fail healing bastard.

[g++]

Gonna be around tonight Anticor?

[AnticorRifling]

Gonna be around tonight Anticor?
Working tonight, probably til 9-930 (7AM-9ish PM long ass day), home and online by 10 I hope.

[AestheticDeath]

heh there are tons of excellent players who are not in Assent. Assent requires a lot of time and hours of wiping or waiting to get into raids. Most people do not have that much time to do that. And some omg like pvp more than pve or like just raiding a little bit or only running heroics or pugging. Get over yourself. And if you want to play gear games armory me sucker i have deleted more good gear than you will ever get.

LF

You missed the point, but thanks for joining the conversation. Your gear isn't bad, but not omfg better. Point is, all these dipshits keep talking me down like im a reject that can't play. Point is, I play well enough I could keep up with any of them in PvE content.

why are people bickering over progression? this shit is all normal mode right now. It wasn't meant to be difficult.

Bragging about togc 10 is stupid. Trade chat pugs on many servers have that on farm, and have had it since like, October of last year. Being top 3 DPS in a guild that has no hard mode progression doesn't say much of anything. Your standard issue casual pvper with a rival title means more than that.

Most "good" PVE'rs, tend to focus very little on damage done. It is assumed you know how to gear and spec and hit your buttons in the right order. What they care about are things like people who do/don't stand in fire, people who move quickly when they have to, people who pop CD's for damage/survivability at the right time, and people who can adapt quickly.Missed the point as well. At least why it started. g++ made some incorrect statements and I was correcting him, I guess the rest took it as bragging. As a basically brand new guild, with people that barely know each other(as much as a PUG when we started) we are doing well enough, there is no way you can say we suck as a guild.

On the 'good pve players', I see it the opposite, if you can't stay out of fire, or adapt or whatnot, then you probably aren't going to be on our run, so after that it is about numbers for me.

And you guys keep bringing up the top3 in my 'fail guild'. I've run with the top players from other top guilds on my server and my DPS is right there with them.

Stupid comparison here, and you are all going to rofl cause it is just Ony, and it was so five years ago when you were all doing lvl 60 Ony. But I put on my low level grinding gear, and did ony 25, and beat pretty much everyone else on DPS, even though they out geared me. Would have gotten top damage as well, if the fail tank druid hadn't lost aggro on everything and run around like an idiot letting a bunch of people die.http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q92/AestheticDeath/onyGS.jpg

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Ony is a horrible instance to even THINK of looking at dps or total damage. If you aren't doing your job, sure you can top dps.

[g++]

Dude he totally aoe'd some welps in greens. The motherfucker is pro.

And my statements were not incorrect. Your guild has done storming the citadel. I have done storming the citadel in trade chat pugs on dunemaul. You can get over yourself now.

[Parkbandit]

Dude he totally aoe'd some welps in greens. The motherfucker is pro.

And my statements were not incorrect. Your guild has done storming the citadel. I have done storming the citadel in trade chat pugs on dunemaul. You can get over yourself now.

BUT HE WAS TOP 3 DAMAGE IN STORMING THE CITADEL!!! DON'T YOU PAY ATTENTION!!!???

[AnticorRifling]

Dropping DnD, PS, IT, pest, DS tab, DS tab, HS, HS, ERW, BBx6 14k is I pro now whelps is serious?

[Alfster]

Ad keeps proving exactly how little he knows. Hahahahaha.

[AnticorRifling]

Bro this is serious be a bro, bro. Last night we did 10man ToC carried some DPS that wasn't horrid given the fact that 1 hit 80 right before the raid and the other still isn't in full PvE gear yet. But we killed all teh bosses zomg pro.

We also did ony and VoA with my warrior doing DPS you wanna talk about sad..holy shit I'm like hey that button lit up HIT IT!!!!!! Tank gear and quest reward greens, I'm kind of a big deal.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Yeah I should have mentioned it last night, our mage who was responsible for bringing down the gathered welps finished Ony two days ago with 13k dps for the whole fight.

That was impressive, but again, it was his role. Those on Ony did normal moving fight dps, and the fan of knives rogue AOEing whelps was near 9k IIRC. Again, not really a good fight to measure who's good without know who was doing what, and even then I'd argue it's just not a good fight for evaluating dps.

Do a detailed shot of your dps on Marrowgard showing %s on spikes and %s on Marrow. That's a pretty straight forward measure of can you switch between two targets and still do good damage, while moving.

[Methais]

You missed the point, but thanks for joining the conversation. Your gear isn't bad, but not omfg better. Point is, all these dipshits keep talking me down like im a reject that can't play. Point is, I play well enough I could keep up with any of them in PvE content.
Missed the point as well. At least why it started. g++ made some incorrect statements and I was correcting him, I guess the rest took it as bragging. As a basically brand new guild, with people that barely know each other(as much as a PUG when we started) we are doing well enough, there is no way you can say we suck as a guild.

On the 'good pve players', I see it the opposite, if you can't stay out of fire, or adapt or whatnot, then you probably aren't going to be on our run, so after that it is about numbers for me.

And you guys keep bringing up the top3 in my 'fail guild'. I've run with the top players from other top guilds on my server and my DPS is right there with them.

Stupid comparison here, and you are all going to rofl cause it is just Ony, and it was so five years ago when you were all doing lvl 60 Ony. But I put on my low level grinding gear, and did ony 25, and beat pretty much everyone else on DPS, even though they out geared me. Would have gotten top damage as well, if the fail tank druid hadn't lost aggro on everything and run around like an idiot letting a bunch of people die.http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q92/AestheticDeath/onyGS.jpg

Your whole outlook on DPS misses the point.

That said, people talk you down like a reject that can't play because:

- You buy characters that you have no idea how to play.

- You ask for advice on how to play X character.

- You argue with everyone's advice and usually have a mini-meltdown by the end of the thread.

- This cycle repeats over and over.

- You have epics fall into your lap, and now all of a sudden you're better than everyone else because you're top 3 DPS in raids that are puggable and have no hard modes yet.

- You claim to know what you're talking about in your posts that show exactly the opposite.

- You get mad at people for informing you that you're being an arrogant douche over things that Require no skill.

Throw in your ridiculously over the top and unnecessary mini-corporation gold making scheme and QQ over Blizzard nerfing your level 1 white item enchants for even more facepalmness.

Since you'll be in eternal denial over all this, try this: Have a friend that doesn't know who you are on here read your threads. Then ask him who he thinks looks like the douche when he's done reading.

Then tell him he's being an asshole too.

[AnticorRifling]

Do a detailed shot of your dps on Marrowgard showing %s on spikes and %s on Marrow. That's a pretty straight forward measure of can you switch between two targets and still do good damage, while moving.
Heart Strike bitches. I perma cleave! Except on Saurfang when the beasts come out then it's hi I'm using deathstrike get the fuck away from melee, thanks.

[g++]

Do a detailed shot of your dps on Marrowgard showing %s on spikes and %s on Marrow. That's a pretty straight forward measure of can you switch between two targets and still do good damage, while moving.

Even then the first wing of ICC is such a melee festival. Sit on this guys ass and do your rotation, now do this add fight, now get free loot from a boat. Now sit on this guys ass and do your rotation. Go see what your dps looks like on hard mode iron council or hodir or get over 10k on Anub like good unholy dks should then ill be like ....well honestly I still would not give a shit but at least with those youl know your doing it right lol.

[Drisco]

This thread title just about sums up everything that has been posted in here.

[Alfster]

I'm pretty sure the new retard check is the blood prince fight. 1 retard can easily wipe the raid. Good luck AD!

[AestheticDeath]

Wow, you guys are laughable, but just as predictable as you find me to be.

Stupid comparison here, and you are all going to rofl cause it is just Ony

put on my low level grinding gear, and did ony 25

It was a lark, from a failed pug, which barely got ony down cause the tanks couldn't do their job, and killed over half the raid by letting things run lose, and then the ranged pulled ony into phase 3 before everything was cleared.

And AR, if the whelps situation were serious, I would let you know that in my normal gear I pull closer to 20k. You need to drop blood spec.

[TheEschaton]

I do over 7k too on Ony (more like 9k) because I LOLMINDSEAR. That's also a real indication of how awesome an spriest I am.

[Kyra231]

I do over 7k too on Ony (more like 9k) because I LOLMINDSEAR. That's also a real indication of how awesome an spriest I am.

AOE is srs bsnss deeps.

[oldanforgotten]

You missed the point, but thanks for joining the conversation. Your gear isn't bad, but not omfg better. Point is, all these dipshits keep talking me down like im a reject that can't play. Point is, I play well enough I could keep up with any of them in PvE content.
Missed the point as well. At least why it started. g++ made some incorrect statements and I was correcting him, I guess the rest took it as bragging. As a basically brand new guild, with people that barely know each other(as much as a PUG when we started) we are doing well enough, there is no way you can say we suck as a guild.


Gear is almost irrelevant. The difference for most classes between BiS now and BiS in the last tier of content is maybe 15% total damage. All of this current content can be completed in 25 man TOGC gear.




On the 'good pve players', I see it the opposite, if you can't stay out of fire, or adapt or whatnot, then you probably aren't going to be on our run, so after that it is about numbers for me.


Then why havent you killed everything with ease yet? We've killed everything thus far, and most of our problems have been centered around player deaths. And if your superguild all can stand out of fires, you should have one shot blood queen and putricide. Neither are technically difficult fights. And you are linking a DPS log from ony 25 as proof of DPS? tsk tsk. Festergut and Saurfang are by far better indicators of DPS. You can't AoE adds on either fight to artificially boost up numbers. If you are a warrior, rogue, hunter, or death knight and you can't hit 10k or more single target on a burn fight, then you can rightly STFU about anything pve wise talking down to anyone because you're no better. If you're anything other than boomkin or ele shaman and you can't break 9k, you can do the same. That's what any player who knows only the button order, standing still buttonmashing while on the phone during the encounter can pull on those fights.

And the reason most people here probably have no respect for your banter is based on your time in raids and in game, you haven't even seen what an actual difficult pve encounter is.

[oldanforgotten]

As a side note there, unless you are a hunter, if you're getting top 3 DPS on every fight, that is more a function of the other people in your guild being bad than you being amazing.

I'm assuming here you're a death knight. Top DPS on each fight tend to be different.

Marrowgar: Fury Warriors, Rogues, Hunters
Deathwhisper: Affliction warlock, Shadow Priest, Hunters
Saurfang: Hunters, Rogues, MS Warriors
Festergut: Hunters, Rogues, MS Warrior
Rotface: Hunter, Mage, Affliction Lock
Putricide: Hunters, Affliction Lock, Shadow Priest
Council: Hunters, Mages, Affliction Lock
BQL: Hunter, Rogue, Fury Warrior

Based on who's putting out the best numbers on each fight. Cat Druids tend to run 4th on every melee fight, right between MS Warrior and Fury Warrior, but since lots of guilds no longer like bear tanks, they are stuck mangling if there is no arms warrior, which makes their numbers artificially low.

But Bottom Line and TLDR version: If you're a DK and are getting top 3, its because your hunters and rogues dont know how to gear/what buttons to press. And you must have some really bad mages because 1,1,1,1,1 DING! 2 is really really hard apparently.

[Parkbandit]

As a side note there, unless you are a hunter, if you're getting top 3 DPS on every fight, that is more a function of the other people in your guild being bad than you being amazing.

I'm assuming here you're a death knight. Top DPS on each fight tend to be different.

Marrowgar: Fury Warriors, Rogues, Hunters
Deathwhisper: Affliction warlock, Shadow Priest, Hunters
Saurfang: Hunters, Rogues, MS Warriors
Festergut: Hunters, Rogues, MS Warrior
Rotface: Hunter, Mage, Affliction Lock
Putricide: Hunters, Affliction Lock, Shadow Priest
Council: Hunters, Mages, Affliction Lock
BQL: Hunter, Rogue, Fury Warrior

Based on who's putting out the best numbers on each fight. Cat Druids tend to run 4th on every melee fight, right between MS Warrior and Fury Warrior, but since lots of guilds no longer like bear tanks, they are stuck mangling if there is no arms warrior, which makes their numbers artificially low.

But Bottom Line and TLDR version: If you're a DK and are getting top 3, its because your hunters and rogues dont know how to gear/what buttons to press. And you must have some really bad mages because 1,1,1,1,1 DING! 2 is really really hard apparently.

If you could also give us a detailed listing of what class order would be on Onyxia.. with and without welps.. then we can figure out how AD is so amazing.

Thanks.

[AestheticDeath]

... oldanforgotten do you have unholy DKs in your raids? Or dks at all?

Mind posting some sort of DPS snippet/log from a run?

[RichardCranium]

Who doesn't have DK's?

[g++]

How to get rid of them is the real problem.

[RichardCranium]

How to get rid of them is the real problem.

Touché.

[Nieninque]

And the reason most people here probably have no respect for your banter is based on your time in raids and in game, you haven't even seen what an actual difficult pve encounter is.


Wrong again, Tamral.
The reason most people here probably have no respect for his banter is because he's a retarded cunt.

I would say the same applies to you, but I wouldnt want you stamping on my laptop or killing my cat.

[AestheticDeath]

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q92/AestheticDeath/25saurfang.jpg

There, saurfang from almost two months ago. And no, I don't have 10k single target DPS, never said I did. I never claimed to be elite, or the best. My normal single target is 8-8.5k

[oldanforgotten]

... oldanforgotten do you have unholy DKs in your raids? Or dks at all?

Mind posting some sort of DPS snippet/log from a run?

We run with 3 DK's. They tend to run unholy on non single target fights and blood with 2 pc t10 on single target

[AestheticDeath]

I was under the impression unholy could outdps blood on single target now.

[oldanforgotten]

You would be under the wrong impression then.

[RichardCranium]

I was under the impression unholy could outdps blood on single target now.

If that were the case then what would be the point of blood?

[Methais]

I'm sad that frost comes in last and is forced to dual wield these days :(

[oldanforgotten]

I'm sad that frost comes in last and is forced to dual wield these days :(

Frost is completely broken atm. It needs to be fixed.

[Methais]

Frost is completely broken atm. It needs to be fixed.

Frost was such a blast when 2H frost was viable. I think unholy was still slightly better DPS, but frost is just loads of fun and has more controlled burst which rocked assholes in pvp.

Dammit.

[oldanforgotten]

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q92/AestheticDeath/25saurfang.jpg

There, saurfang from almost two months ago. And no, I don't have 10k single target DPS, never said I did. I never claimed to be elite, or the best. My normal single target is 8-8.5k

Just from the number at the top I can tell quite a bit. We generally run in the 170k DPS range for that fight.

[oldanforgotten]

Frost was such a blast when 2H frost was viable. I think unholy was still slightly better DPS, but frost is just loads of fun and has more controlled burst which rocked assholes in pvp.

Dammit.


Frost has some amazing control regardless. Hungering cold, spam chains of ice, faster DG. Problem is frost has very very limited burst as dual wield right now.

[Methais]

Frost has some amazing control regardless. Hungering cold, spam chains of ice, faster DG. Problem is frost has very very limited burst as dual wield right now.

How does frost have faster DG? I'm guessing you're talking about death grip/unholy command, but that's an unholy talent.

But yeah other than its currently shitty damage, frost is great.

I also hate how the offhand damage from obliterate, frost strike, etc. with Threat of Thassarian talent is delayed a second, unlike Mutilate where the damage from both weapons pops up at the same time. Just a minor annoyance.

[AestheticDeath]

If that were the case then what would be the point of blood?

heh, so you think everything is 100% balanced all the time eh? my single target dps went up when i went from blood to unholy... i have not tried blood since i got 2pc t10, or bryntroll

and before they fixed the scourge strike/bryntroll interaction, the unholy dps was even better

[AnticorRifling]

heh, so you think everything is 100% balanced all the time eh? my single target dps went up when i went from blood to unholy... i have not tried blood since i got 2pc t10, or bryntroll

and before they fixed the scourge strike/bryntroll interaction, the unholy dps was even better

How in the hell is/was your DPS higher on single target as unholy compared to blood?

Even without 2pT10 you should have, assuming proper gems/enchants/stats which I know you've got, higher DPS as blood on a single target.

[Parkbandit]

How in the hell is/was your DPS higher on single target as unholy compared to blood?

Even without 2pT10 you should have, assuming proper gems/enchants/stats which I know you've got, higher DPS as blood on a single target.

In before AD destroys your so called experience with his scientifically proven DPS award winning strategy.

You were warned.

[AnticorRifling]

Well I know the gargoyle has the potential to be bitchin, but I can't see that, the pet, and a third disease being > a solid blood rotation that's actively using raise dead, dancing rune weapon, hysteria, etc.

[Parkbandit]

Well I know the gargoyle has the potential to be bitchin, but I can see that, the pet, and a third disease being > a solid blood rotation that's actively using raise dead, dancing rune weapon, hysteria, etc.

AD is glad you finally came around to what he's known for years.

[AnticorRifling]

can != can't

I fucked up. I hope you get grids.

[oldanforgotten]

heh, so you think everything is 100% balanced all the time eh? my single target dps went up when i went from blood to unholy... i have not tried blood since i got 2pc t10, or bryntroll

and before they fixed the scourge strike/bryntroll interaction, the unholy dps was even better

Bryntroll was nerfed, and is a major downgrade from SE if you're blood. Bryntroll is also kinda meh because in order to get the full effect from it, you have to regem, since the EP value of haste goes way up with it. Not as much as it used to be pre-nerf, but its still a lot higher.

[AnticorRifling]

Bryntroll was nerfed, and is a major downgrade from SE if you're blood. Bryntroll is also kinda meh because in order to get the full effect from it, you have to regem, since the EP value of haste goes way up with it. Not as much as it used to be pre-nerf, but its still a lot higher.

SE?

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I would let you know that in my normal gear I pull closer to 20k.

I'd love to see a video or some screen caps of you doing 20k dps. I've never seen it, though I don't run in the top guild on my server either.

I can't tell from your posts which char is yours? What is your rotation like? I've got a dk who's 61 and if you are pulling that badass of dps I might consider playing him again.

[AestheticDeath]

uh 20k isnt realistic, thats only on very large trash pulls like whelps, and a few situations in icc, i dont think i have any recent clips, but i have some old ones of me doing 15+ i will look for them

and im not in the top guild either, trash dps is just easy/fun - i am sure some of tamrals DK guildies can get 25k+ on trash pulls

if your looking into DKs, the only thing I do, is goto elitistjerks.com and follow whatever advice is listed there. same specs, same general rotations, gems etc, im just nowhere near BIS gear they have listed for ... any spec

Torand (http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Shadowsong&cn=Torand) is mine

[AestheticDeath]

Bryntroll was nerfed, and is a major downgrade from SE if you're blood. Bryntroll is also kinda meh because in order to get the full effect from it, you have to regem, since the EP value of haste goes way up with it. Not as much as it used to be pre-nerf, but its still a lot higher.

Yeah I mentioned the nerf in a roundabout way. I'm am the next to get shadow's edge I suppose, but it will be a while. I have the choice of bryntroll, or the dual blade butcher atm

how exactly are you suggesting to gem while using bryntroll?

[Alfster]

lolz at trash deepz talk from icc

[AnticorRifling]

how exactly are you suggesting to gem while using bryntroll?
Go unholy and get hasted up in this mother I believe is the general suggestion. Although I'm staying blood I'm not a fan of unholy, never have been.

[AestheticDeath]

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q92/AestheticDeath/ICCtrash.jpg

that was icc trash before i got 2pct10 and bryntroll

[Alfster]

Dude. Seriously. Trash. Dps. Bragging. Really?

[AestheticDeath]

Dude, seriously - he asked. I'm not bragging. I know others can do more, stfu already.

[oldanforgotten]

SE?

Shadow's Edge, sorry for the abbreviation, just gotten used to callin it SE for a couple months now.

[AestheticDeath]

I just swapped my single target spec back to blood, so I will see how it is doing with my current gear. Myself and lawl were doing 8-8.5k over the longhaul, with larger spikes on the single target icc fights excluding marrowgar, while another DK in blood spec was doing 7k dps. His gear isn't quite as good as ours, but still 1k gap is a lot. So basically if I cannot get 8k+ in this blood spec im swapping back to unholy.

Unholy single target that I was using (http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#jfVMMZZfM0Ixcdg0ux0uIqo:LsbMmV)
New blood spec ill test (http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#jfVMVh0Icfkf0stZfMbhxc:IpGMmV)

[oldanforgotten]

uh 20k isnt realistic, thats only on very large trash pulls like whelps, and a few situations in icc, i dont think i have any recent clips, but i have some old ones of me doing 15+ i will look for them

and im not in the top guild either, trash dps is just easy/fun - i am sure some of tamrals DK guildies can get 25k+ on trash pulls

if your looking into DKs, the only thing I do, is goto elitistjerks.com and follow whatever advice is listed there. same specs, same general rotations, gems etc, im just nowhere near BIS gear they have listed for ... any spec

Trash isn't something we ever really measure, so I wouldn't know. It dies fast enough I guess which is the only concern.

As for parses, that's fine. I'd be happy to show a couple. Which fights would you want to see?

[AestheticDeath]

Trash isn't something we ever really measure, so I wouldn't know. It dies fast enough I guess which is the only concern.

As for parses, that's fine. I'd be happy to show a couple. Which fights would you want to see?
All I use is recount, and I use current fight more so than overall, so I hit print screen when I see high numbers now and then.

Anyhow, if you want to show Saurfang, Festergut or Rotface, that would be great.

And, you said earlier hunters are supposed to be top DPS on saurfang.. How so? Aren't they supposed to be doing adds, frost traps etc. I know our hunters don't get nearly the DPS there that they do in other encounters.

[oldanforgotten]

All I use is recount, and I use current fight more so than overall, so I hit print screen when I see high numbers now and then.

Anyhow, if you want to show Saurfang, Festergut or Rotface, that would be great.

And, you said earlier hunters are supposed to be top DPS on saurfang.. How so? Aren't they supposed to be doing adds, frost traps etc. I know our hunters don't get nearly the DPS there that they do in other encounters.

To answer your question. Those bloodbeasts have like 200k HP? They die in 3-4 seconds. Here's our parses from last week.

Saurfang:
http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/aknet1rvi9sryyk9/sum/damageDone/?s=2845&e=3039

Festergut:
http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/aknet1rvi9sryyk9/sum/damageDone/?s=4402&e=4649

Rotface:
http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/aknet1rvi9sryyk9/sum/damageDone/?s=5842&e=6076

[AnticorRifling]

That's a gorgeous website, cleaner than WWS.

Needs more heroic strike!

[oldanforgotten]

That's a gorgeous website, cleaner than WWS.

Needs more heroic strike!

eh, it coulda been faster, but we run 2 ICC 25's a week right now. The warrior tank is kinda bad fury DPS, and our healy shaman is not great at ele wearing mostly healing gear. Use of the site is free, just need to set up an account and have someone record a combatlog.

The real pain was the first infusion on putricide. The infusion actually does turn that fight into kind of a hardmode.

[AnticorRifling]

I'll give that site a go for shits and giggles.

[AnticorRifling]

Shadow's Edge, sorry for the abbreviation, just gotten used to callin it SE for a couple months now.
Yeah I figured it out after thinking about it because I get Second Edition zomg Win 98 out of my head.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

My guild has not gotten beyond the first 4 bosses in ICC10 yet, though we usually 1 shot the first 4 easily. And tbh, we've only actually tried Fester once. Most of us are casual gamers and getting the same 10 together more than once a week is a challenge, and no one currently wants to join after the first wing is down. I'm sure it'll get better as we continue to gear others via the first 4 and frost badges.

I love it when someone goes and upgrades at virtually every boss though, especially if it's someone you like who's casual as well because that means they'll just be better geared next time.

[CrystalTears]

Saurfang:
http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/aknet1rvi9sryyk9/sum/damageDone/?s=2845&e=3039

Festergut:
http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/aknet1rvi9sryyk9/sum/damageDone/?s=4402&e=4649

Rotface:
http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/aknet1rvi9sryyk9/sum/damageDone/?s=5842&e=6076


At least oldanforgotten isn't denying he's Tamral anymore. Some progress is always nice.

[g++]

My guild has not gotten beyond the first 4 bosses in ICC10 yet, though we usually 1 shot the first 4 easily. And tbh, we've only actually tried Fester once. Most of us are casual gamers and getting the same 10 together more than once a week is a challenge, and no one currently wants to join after the first wing is down. I'm sure it'll get better as we continue to gear others via the first 4 and frost badges.

I love it when someone goes and upgrades at virtually every boss though, especially if it's someone you like who's casual as well because that means they'll just be better geared next time.

I pugged festergut on my mage last night and had a 3% wipe on rotface. The key to festergut is to explain it as so :

DBM will put a skull on one person and an X on one person. Skull must be in the melee, X must be in the ranged. Everyone collapse on your mark.

The complicated strategies and weird "plans" for what happens if two marks hit melee or two hit ranged are completely unnecessary if you just use that system. At that point its just a 5k dps avg race on 10 man.

[Parkbandit]

At least oldanforgotten isn't denying he's Tamral anymore. Some progress is always nice.

Did he ever deny it or did he just not acknowledge it?

[Methais]

I would let you know that in my normal gear I pull closer to 20k.

300k DPS @ level 60 kthxbai.
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a162/DoyleHargraves/MassiveAoE.jpg

[CrystalTears]

Did he ever deny it or did he just not acknowledge it?
He would deny it, saying he knew who Tamral was in game but that it wasn't him.

[AnticorRifling]

300k DPS @ level 60 kthxbai.
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a162/DoyleHargraves/MassiveAoE.jpg

zomg HAX

[Some Rogue]

Before they capped AoE damage. Way to show your ignorance! If you could only be half as good as him...

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

See all his lame 16 slot backpacks?

[TheEschaton]

And who doesn't use MSBT? SHeesh.

[AestheticDeath]

Just to clarify, it looks to me as if each and every one of your three DKs are using an unholy build. Even on these single target encounters.

Also, i still cannot figure out what the DPS(e) is. It says effective DPS, but how are they figuring it?

[oldanforgotten]

They are all still using unholy builds because at the time, none had 2 pc t10. Effective DPS basically calculates damage done relative the actual fight time as opposed to DPS time. So if you wait a couple seconds before moving in, or you die early, effective DPS drops. If you do 10k DPS for 1 minute and then die on a 2 minute fight, effective DPS is 5k

[AestheticDeath]

Seems odd that everyone had under 50% effective dps vs actual dps.

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Arthas&cn=Runesaber

He has 4pc t10, and still has unholy dps spec. Had to have had 2pc on the 20th.

Others still show unholy as well.

[oldanforgotten]

They may have had those specs last week, even with 2 piece, simply because of timing. I know that runesaber and sannu were both blood this week.

As for under 50% effective DPS, for the entire raid, of course. We take breaks, we're not in combat 100% of the time, etc. Actual active combat time on a typical raid is 40% or so of actual raid time. Half these bosses take longer to distribute loot than to actually kill. Then the time spent buffing, etc.

You'd have to look at the actual combat WITH THE BOSSES.

[Loyrl]

My guild has not gotten beyond the first 4 bosses in ICC10 yet, though we usually 1 shot the first 4 easily. And tbh, we've only actually tried Fester once. Most of us are casual gamers and getting the same 10 together more than once a week is a challenge, and no one currently wants to join after the first wing is down. I'm sure it'll get better as we continue to gear others via the first 4 and frost badges.

I love it when someone goes and upgrades at virtually every boss though, especially if it's someone you like who's casual as well because that means they'll just be better geared next time.

This is how my guild is pretty much. We run 3 sperate 10 mans, 2 main char ones, and then left overs on sunday for alts and people who didn't get to go to one of the main ones. Each run clears saurfang, 1 clears to prof, and the other clears the gas filled room one (can never remember which is which). We also only do one night of 25 man where we clear saurfang.

It just sucks that we can usually not get the same people on for a second night of attempts on the second wing bosses. This type of guild sorta sucks because people come and go to much, and we end up gearing people. They then take a break or something comes up in RL, or someone comes back from being away for a while and having shitty gear and wants to raid so we get to gear them up because of the casualness of the guild the RL doesn't want to leave people out. We also /random for loot =| which was okay at first, but now its starting to bother the shit out of me because my rolls have never been good and the bads always roll those 100's.

[AnticorRifling]

Let's shoot for VoA and ICC tonight around 9:30 EST. I know chaincreep can't be on til then.

[Parkbandit]

Let's shoot for VoA and ICC tonight around 9:30 EST. I know chaincreep can't be on til then.

Don't invite Grodall.. I don't want that n00b ninjaing my gear.

[AnticorRifling]

I'd prefer if we bring mains to ICC to be honest. Hell once I realized E was going to take all my gear in Ulduar on his 15th raiding toon I was going to get on Dachcow to make it go faster...until the wife went into bitchmode alpha.

[Some Rogue]

Don't invite Grodall.. I don't want that n00b ninjaing my gear.

It's ok, I'll be actually killing bosses when I raid tonight.

[AnticorRifling]

You sure you won't be two minutes late and not getting a spot?

[Parkbandit]

You sure you won't be two minutes late and not getting a spot?

Seriously. That and I hope he was the first tank to sign up.. because sign ups are based upon first come first served.

[g++]

So which one of you is playing your priest with my mage this season....

[AnticorRifling]

Bergina maybe. He wants to PvP on his priest.

[g++]

who is kallel

[AnticorRifling]

Failgrin

[g++]

PB ARENA TONIGHT

[Parkbandit]

I want to arena on Bullchip.

[g++]

I want to arena on Bullchip.

Dachow-Bullchip // Pjaay-Kellel IMO

Be double the awsome

Actually we could all be on the same 2's team and just mix and match really. Could put Salv on there too to 2v2 with dachow heh

[TheEschaton]

2s don't get points any more I thought, I thought only 3s and 5s counted, or something?

[Methais]

Only 3s and 5s will let you get shoulders and weapons.

[g++]

Yah you can get weapon/off hand in a few weeks if you can hit 1800...i mean im not trying to go glad here i just want to grind out a somewhat decent rating and get some current season gear. It could happen....lol

and your thinking of the tier 2 pvp weapon, you can get tier 1 main hand with a 2's rating.

[Methais]

and your thinking of the tier 2 pvp weapon, you can get tier 1 main hand with a 2's rating.

Oh damn I didn't know that. Last I knew all weapons were only in 3s and 5s. Did they change that before the whole thing rolled in? Or not til later? I haven't done arena since S6.

[g++]

Oh damn I didn't know that. Last I knew all weapons were only in 3s and 5s. Did they change that before the whole thing rolled in? Or not til later? I haven't done arena since S6.

They only made tier 2 items unavailable from the start but alot of people were confused. My paladin had relentless mace/shield within 2 weeks of start of last season from 2's rating. You can still get nearly everything for pvp out of 2's just not a glad title or shoulders. You need a 2200 rating to get the tier 2 pvp weapons so really if you have a rating that high in 2's im sure you can do it in any bracket your basically a professional pvper at that point.

[Some Rogue]

Dear Blizzard,

Fix your fucking raid instances. Thanks.

Went in last night, killed everything easily til we got to Saurfang and notice he's gaining blood power at 2-4 times the rate he normally does. Apparently there was a bug that was giving him some of his hard mode abilities. It also kept resetting to heroic even though we've not cleared the instance on regular yet. Ended up wasting a good hour or more wiping on their bugged out shit.

[Alfster]

and yet, in 10 man, blood legion already cleared arthas.

11/12 so far is the best for 25 man

[Some Rogue]

Yeah, but was their raid lockout extended from last week?

[Alfster]

i'm not sure. maybe?

We managed to scramble through on our first attempt on 25 man this morning. I think he was about 5% down when the first mark came out. By the end 5 marks had gone out, barely made it.

[g++]

From what I am reading on the boards it may not be a bug, looks like they changed it so that mark no longer gives power(ie letting people die is no longer a good strategy) but blood boil gives shit loads more power. So he will heal and put out more marks but the marks will not cause exponentially more marks. So it becomes a straight up "how good are our healers and dps" fight instead of a trivial fight if you sac raid members. Not a good thing for me since in pugs its alot easier to let people die than it is to find good people heehee.

[Some Rogue]

We never let them die anyway. They usually did eventually unless they got it at the end of the fight, but we didn't DI them or any of that BS. He was literally jumping 5-10 blood power at a time.

The problem was it wasn't consistent. Sometimes we'd see the BP rising just continuously and others it was slow and steady. There's also the fact that it was showing as heroic on the raid leaders unit frame, absorbs were giving the blood power when they didn't before, and nova was able to hit melee. That many changes with nothing in the notes and seeing them happen inconsistently made me think it was a bug somehow. Guess we'll see.

Oh yeah and the doors weren't opening for some of the people who were able to get him down.

I also bugged out on the Gunship but I don't know if it was a visual lag thing or what because I was the only one who saw it.

[oldanforgotten]

Dear Blizzard,

Fix your fucking raid instances. Thanks.

Went in last night, killed everything easily til we got to Saurfang and notice he's gaining blood power at 2-4 times the rate he normally does. Apparently there was a bug that was giving him some of his hard mode abilities. It also kept resetting to heroic even though we've not cleared the instance on regular yet. Ended up wasting a good hour or more wiping on their bugged out shit.

The only thing that's heroic is the rate of blood power generation, which increased by a factor of 5 from melee attacks. In heroic on the PTR, his health also went up by 30% to 40M, and he gained a standard cleave attack that spread about 130k raw physical damage across up to 3 targets.

[Some Rogue]

Yes yes, I know. That's why I said some.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

We dropped Saurfang last night and I didn't note any bugs. I also got my revered ring!

[Some Rogue]

We dropped Saurfang last night and I didn't note any bugs. I also got my revered ring!

They hotfixed him last night back to how he was.

[Drisco]

You can get the weapons from 2s rating if I'm not mistaken....

[AestheticDeath]

What kind of DPS are you guys pulling in 10m? Like on saurfang? Any class..

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I honestly don't look at dps much, but IIRC on that fight on 10m our top 4 or 5 dps is running in the 5500 range. That fight DPS isn't as key as awareness of the blood beasts, marks and whatever that thing is the tanks have to swap aggro on to prevent more blood power.

[Parkbandit]

It's ok, I'll be actually killing bosses when I raid tonight.



Dear Blizzard,

Fix your fucking raid instances. Thanks.

Went in last night, killed everything easily til we got to Saurfang and notice he's gaining blood power at 2-4 times the rate he normally does. Apparently there was a bug that was giving him some of his hard mode abilities. It also kept resetting to heroic even though we've not cleared the instance on regular yet. Ended up wasting a good hour or more wiping on their bugged out shit.

Weird.. we went to ICC last night and one shot Saurfang AND got the less than 3 mark achievement. (We had a total of one mark)

[Parkbandit]

What kind of DPS are you guys pulling in 10m? Like on saurfang? Any class..

Mostly around 4K, except this massive DK we have who puts out 9.1K and is 2nd on the server in total DPS.

[Some Rogue]

Weird.. we went to ICC last night and one shot Saurfang AND got the less than 3 mark achievement. (We had a total of one mark)

Weird, they hotfixed it on Wednesday and we went in and killed him and Festergut.

[AestheticDeath]

Who is it that is getting the 9.1k? Wanna look at his gear/spec.

Also, the other DK in my guild just mentioned to me this twisting thing he was told about. Instead of renewing icy touch and plague strike diseases before they fall off, or waiting for both to fall then renewing, you clip one, let the other fall, then the next rotation, you clip the opposite one, and let the other fall. Just swapping between which one falls. He said it was giving him a DPS increase.

Anyone else know of this or tried it before?

And something kinda odd, when I used my single target spec on trash last night in 10m, I got more DPS than I was getting with the AOE spec in 25m.

[Some Rogue]

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a64/lrenzo2/loldps.jpg

[AestheticDeath]

who are you playing?

[Drisco]

He plays Dlem the hunter.

[Some Rogue]

He plays Dlem the hunter.

You know I play a tank, liar.

[Nieninque]

Who is it that is getting the 9.1k? Wanna look at his gear/spec.

It isn't just the gear and spec...you are too blinkered in your approach. You effectively have to accept that you have a -2k DPS handicap because you are a fucking retard. The sooner you accept that, the sooner we can look forward to reading about wow without your fucktarded egasms about DEEPS MENG.

[AestheticDeath]

It isn't just the gear and spec...you are too blinkered in your approach. You effectively have to accept that you have a -2k DPS handicap because you are a fucking retard. The sooner you accept that, the sooner we can look forward to reading about wow without your fucktarded egasms about DEEPS MENG.

Listen here bitch, you haven't played with me, so you do not have a fucking clue what I do right or wrong. I am not at a -2k handicap vs anyone with similar gear and spec on my server. You show me someone with my 245 avg itm lvl pulling 10k on a similar fight. Everyone I see pulling 10k, has significantly better gear.

My skill at this point, whether it be good or bad, doesn't make more than 500 DPS difference.

[Alfster]

Again. Gear level doesn't mean shit.

Why is it the ones who hump their gear score are usually the same ones fapping to their dps meters?

[Nieninque]

Poor fucker...doesn't even realise how stupid he is.


Disclaimer: These forums are intended to inform people whose shoe size is bigger than their IQ. Please do not come crying to these or any other forums if you are too stupid to grasp simple concepts. People who are extremely stupid are likely to be handicapping their own DPS by around -2k simply because of the level of retardation. Like we said, dont blame us.

See...it's not just me saying it.

[Alfster]

Heroic 5man ToC was easier than the complicated shit Naxx involves.

.

[AestheticDeath]

Again. Gear level doesn't mean shit.

Why is it the ones who hump their gear score are usually the same ones fapping to their dps meters?

Ok, so you are telling me because you are such an awesome player, you can goto ICC with nothing but Naxx gear and do as much DPS as someone with trial of the crusader gear? You must be superman. That is assuming anyone would let you in with that gear, which they won't because surprise surprise, GEAR matters you dumb fuck.

[Methais]

Ok, so you are telling me because you are such an awesome player, you can goto ICC with nothing but Naxx gear and do as much DPS as someone with trial of the crusader gear? You must be superman. That is assuming anyone would let you in with that gear, which they won't because surprise surprise, GEAR matters you dumb fuck.

Tell that to the guy in full pvp gear with a 5k gear score that's being out DPS'd by someone in 232 pve gear.

[Alfster]

I don't recall saying that.

Naxx is 3 tier's behind our current tier. There's no reason anyone should be running around in all naxx equivalent gear.

YOU were complaining about Naxx being difficult when Naxx was two tiers behind. That's sad.

*forgot to quote AD

[AestheticDeath]

You say I am humping my gearscore because I say anyone with similar gear isn't 2k ahead of me. I am not doing any such thing, I am pointing out that gear matters, and someone with much better gear is the only one who outclasses me that much.

And back a year ago or whenever it was that I mentioned naxx, I was a fresh 80, which is not even close to being two tiers behind. And my statement was correct then as it is now. TOC being a 5m encounter, and only needing one tank, is much simpler than Naxx, needing two tanks, who swap around a lot, requires non-tank tanks etc. My statement doesn't mean naxx is hard, it means it is not worth doing, when you can get better gear from an easier encounter with less people. If you read the thread, and didn't pick and choose which words you quote you might realize that.

And Methais, that is just a stupid comparison.

[Methais]

And Methais, that is just a stupid comparison.

You mean like your obsession with being the l33t3st dps in WoW history?

It's ok, the world isn't going to end if you can't squeeze out an extra 50 dps.

[AestheticDeath]

Just because I post about something on here means I am obsessed with it? Sure whatever.

[Methais]

Just because I post about something on here means I am obsessed with it? Sure whatever.

http://biobreak.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/facepalm.jpg

[Some Rogue]

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a64/lrenzo2/it3_11.jpg

"I do over 9000dps! You do not talk to me like that!! I work too hard to deal with this stuff!! I work too hard!!"

[AnticorRifling]

By chance do you drive a Dodge Stratus?!

[Tisket]

Just because I post about something on here means I am obsessed with it? Sure whatever.

It never takes long for your innate petulance to burst out and cry "FREEEEEDOOOOMM!". In a life filled with uncertainty it's comforting to realize we can count on at least this one thing for sure. Thank you, AD.

[g++]

Ok, so you are telling me because you are such an awesome player, you can goto ICC with nothing but Naxx gear and do as much DPS as someone with trial of the crusader gear? You must be superman. That is assuming anyone would let you in with that gear, which they won't because surprise surprise, GEAR matters you dumb fuck.

You put way to much emphasis on numbers. There are fights where it matters and fights were it doesnt. It certainly doesnt matter too much on Saurfang for instance. Almost all the dps aspect of that fight can be mitigated away with good positioning, bops etc. and people are dropping traps and going dumb specs etc. Rotgut is a hard dps check on the other hand so you might go meter crazy on that one but really 90% of WoW is not standing in fire and getting along with other people.

[Alfster]

And back a year ago or whenever it was that I mentioned naxx, I was a fresh 80, which is not even close to being two tiers behind.

That quote was from 9/13/2009. That's no where NEAR a year ago dude.

You were pissing and moaning about how hard Naxx was within the last 5 months. That was certainly two tiers ago (as of 9/13/2009). Stop being retarded.

I bow down to your mad wow skills.

[AestheticDeath]

So I had my time frame messed up, doesn't mean jack about tiers. As I said my guy was a fresh 80, hence he wasn't even geared for naxx.

[Parkbandit]

God.. please... stop.

[Liagala]

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a64/lrenzo2/loldps.jpg

http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee346/None1414/ForAD.jpg
http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee346/None1414/MoreforAD.jpg

I win :D

[Some Rogue]

Anyone know an enchanter on Dunemaul with the Blade Ward enchant?

Got a new tanking weapon last night finally.

http://www.wowhead.com/?item=50760

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I heard that Blade Ward sucked...

[Some Rogue]

For a tank? I'm a pally, it's either blade ward or blood draining.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Oh yeah, tank told me it sucked.

[Some Rogue]

+200 parry rating vs a 2k heal when I fall below 35% health. Considering how much dodge I lose in ICC, I'll take the extra avoidance.

[TheEschaton]

Blade Ward is better than Mongoose, imo, which is a chance to proc, what, +200 agility?

[AnticorRifling]

I've heard scuttlebutt that mongoose is better than blade ward in trade chat so take it with a grain of salt. I haven't researched it from any real sources since my tank weapon on my warrior isn't worth enchanting at the moment.

[Some Rogue]

The problem with mongoose is how little avoidance/armor you're getting out of it due to diminishing returns.

And I take WoW-heroes with a grain of salt but it just pulls armory data and the most popular enchant among prot paladins is Blade ward. Mongoose isn't even in second place.

[Some Rogue]

Blade Ward is better than Mongoose, imo, which is a chance to proc, what, +200 agility?

120

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Where does beserking fall?

[Some Rogue]

For Dunelawl, it's showing third but that's retarded unless it's looking at people's ret gear. Trading armor for 400 AP as a tank isn't really a good idea.

[AnticorRifling]

How much armor vs how much threat is generated from the extra AP though? I'd tend to agree with you about ICC though given the amount of avoidance lost trying to counter that is a good idea.

[Some Rogue]

Paladins don't really have problems with threat unless they're retarded. Hmm, maybe that would explain the Berserking heh.


Anyway, I'm now reading conflicting info on some of the enchants so I dunno what to believe. One place says SoV ticks can proc the bladeward enchant, one place said they changed it. Hell, maybe I will just stick with 26 agi. It gives me a static bonus (although small) compared to mongoose and blade ward which are random.

[AnticorRifling]

Yeah I was thinking about my warrior and not you. Although really any tank should have no threat problems if they are spec'd right and understand their class. If they do, you're right, they are retarded.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I don't have a single toon that is melee. My question was around beserking because on my server they sell for 1k gold.

[AnticorRifling]

I don't have a single toon that is melee. My question was around beserking because on my server they sell for 1k gold.

It's the enchant for melee dps (excluding DKs...well the non retarded ones I've actually seen a few with it on their weapons). Not so much for tanks.

[Some Rogue]

Yeah, I dual berserking on my rogue.

[TheEschaton]

Berserking gives you more AP, but lowers your armor, which is something (most) tanks wouldn't want, unless you're seriously overgeared for the content you're doing. And LOL if it sells for 1k on your server, since any enchanter can pick up the recipe for the cost of 10 abyss crystals.

Is Blade Ward on an internal CD? Mine seems to proc every 45 seconds or so on my paladin, which makes me think it's on one.

[Some Rogue]

I believe I read somewhere that it is, as is Mongoose. I know I was reading there is a minimum of 50 seconds to get a full stack on Blood Draining too.

[Outlaw Pete]

Paladins don't really have problems with threat unless they're retarded.

If I'm understanding you correctly, you're saying all paladins have problems with threat.

[Some Rogue]

Nope, you're failing. Must be a DK. Failing is what they do best. Ask Anticor.

[AestheticDeath]

http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee346/None1414/ForAD.jpg
http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee346/None1414/MoreforAD.jpg

I win :D

Somehow I doubt that was single target. What was the encounter?
And.. IMO, lose the purple gems and change the meta.

[TheEschaton]

[Relentless Earthsiege Diamond]
This is the preferred meta, simply because of fairly easy gem requirements. You do lose between .5 and 1 DPS between this and the CSD but you gain more DPS by not using 2 blue gems. Do not use [Chaotic Skyflare Diamond] because 2 blue gems suck.

Not to mention she doesn't have a purple gem socketed in any of her gear. You're completely fail.

[Some Rogue]

He doesn't know who she is. Hehe.

[Alfster]

Still doesn't stop him from trying to impress her with his wow knowledge.

[AestheticDeath]

I don't know... I was assuming the DK. Logical assumption really, since its the top on each meter for DPS or dmg, and the thing is labeled with my name. And that was the whole convo for a while. DK DPS. I guess if she had provided real info instead of just a screenshot it might have elicited a better response. My advice stands for whomever the DK is though.

And TheE, that was basically the same advice I was getting at, with less words...

You guys really need to start new threads instead of reusing the same one over and over and over.

[AestheticDeath]

UGH 02-13-2010 01:54 PM "Basically the same advice" Except it was completely the opposite. You were wrong on every single piece of advice. But "basically the same" amirite

Are you honestly that stupid? Look at the DK, which is what I was talking about. I say lose the purples, of which they have THREE, if you know how to count, and swap the META, which happens to be the Skyflare, which you said not to use as well.

[Alfster]

Why do you continue?

[TheEschaton]

I was talking about Doraene, who is the ret pally, who is using the agi meta. Things are probably different for DKs, especially considering the fact that that DK topped the meters.

[TheEschaton]

For example, for unholy DKs (which I assume that guy is to pull those numbers on trash):

Meta-Gem

There are two meta-gems of interest to an Unholy DK: [Chaotic Skyflare Diamond] and [Relentless Earthsiege Diamond]. Although crit rating is superior to agility on a one-for-one basis, the latter meta-gem has laxer requirements: one red, one yellow, and one blue gem as opposed to two blue gems.

Regardless of which gem you use, you use a [Nightmare Tear] to knock out (one of, in the case of the Chaotic Skyflare Diamond) the blue gem requirement(s). You may only use one Nightmare Tear in your gear, and it will count as a red, yellow, and blue gem, all at once.

So how does one decide whether using a second blue gem to activate the Chaotic Skyflare Diamond is worth it over simply using the Relentless Earthsiege Diamond, which is activated solely by the Nightmare Tear?

Stat iLvl 245/258 iLvl 251/258 iLvl 264 iLvl 277
Attack Power 18 18 18 17
Strength 6 6 6 6
Crit Rating 9 10 9 8
ArP Rating 9 8 7 6
Expertise Rating 11 11 10 9
Haste Rating 11 10 9 8
Agility 12 14 12 11
Hit Rating 5 5 5 4

As long as you can get a socket bonus of one of the preceding sizes from using one blue gem, zero yellow gems, and any number of red gems, then using a Chaotic Skyflare Diamond becomes superior to using a Relentless Earthsiege Diamond. Generally speaking, you actually need two socket bonuses of the above size(s), as the first you would attain using your Nightmare Tear, regardless of which meta-gem, and thus can’t be counted towards deciding between the two.

[Some Rogue]

I continue to lol.

She only posted it as a joke. Christ. It was one pack of trash.

[Liagala]

I continue to lol.

She only posted it as a joke. Christ. It was one pack of trash.

:yeahthat: The "For AD" title was because of your continuing obsession with high dps, regardless of source or relevance. Both of those screenshots were taken after setting off a trap in the plague wing of ICC that summons something like 20 zombies. That dps is 100% meaningless, because it was a 45 second-ish fight with a shit-ton of AoE. I just wanted to see what sort of hilarity would ensue if I posted recount meters that high. You did not disappoint, AD.

For the record, I play Doraene, a ret pally with no purple gems.

[Nieninque]

Fucking AD...this was a good thread before he posted in it.

[Methais]

Guys, I have to tell you something and it's important.

Theorycraft is serious business, and the first person to forget that is not only going to do 8 less dps, but they will also be mocked by Recount h4x0rz.

[Methais]

http://forum.gsplayers.com/images/reputation/reputation_neg.gifUGH (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?p=1064151#post1064151) 02-14-2010 06:46 PM Sorry WoW is too hard for you. Enjoy being a casual scrub.

http://sketchyd.com/content_images/image306.jpg

[AnticorRifling]

HoR needs to get into ICC tonight to get the first wing down at the very least before reset, then tomorrow go in and get a few wings down. After seeing a few of the fights we're more than capable.

Get your asses on line tonight. PS I'll be late since I have to work.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

:yeahthat: The "For AD" title was because of your continuing obsession with high dps, regardless of source or relevance. Both of those screenshots were taken after setting off a trap in the plague wing of ICC that summons something like 20 zombies. That dps is 100% meaningless, because it was a 45 second-ish fight with a shit-ton of AoE. I just wanted to see what sort of hilarity would ensue if I posted recount meters that high. You did not disappoint, AD.

For the record, I play Doraene, a ret pally with no purple gems.

We were running through that wing last night on alts and I was healing on my disc priest. I did just shy of 6k dps in heal gear and spec with mind sear! I'm uber dps.

[Keller]

Guys, I have to tell you something and it's important.

Theorycraft is serious business, and the first person to forget that is not only going to do 8 less dps, but they will also be mocked by Recount h4x0rz.

Theorycrafting, when you've neglected your personal life and career to be the best possible death knight you can be without ICC Heroic gear.

[Keller]

We were running through that wing last night on alts and I was healing on my disc priest. I did just shy of 6k dps in heal gear and spec with mind sear! I'm uber dps.

Holy nova spam?

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Naw, I was third healer for Rot, and we didn't need me healing trash but I'm lazy to switch specs on the way there. So I was just spamming my AOE mind sear, I wonder if my holy nova would have done more.

[AnticorRifling]

Saw fester and rot for the first time last night, ugly bastards. Fun fights though, seemed like decent fights that are good retard check.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

We get to them every week and my straight guild run hasn't been able to down Rot yet. We aren't uber dedicated players but we aren't stupid either... just not sure what we're doing wrong on him. We spent some dedicated time yesterday and get Rot down to 25% on our best effort... folks are just having problems with all the cleanse timing, avoid spit timing, avoid pools timing, taunt big blob, etc...

Usually we end up with the same 5 people standing everytime which isn't enough to finish him... Both tanks, me and another healer and then a dk who knows his shit. I guess we need WoW 101 classes.

[AnticorRifling]

I was in a pug last night, half of us hadn't seen either fester or rot. Fester took 3 attempts. 1 to see it, 1 of some retard not listening, 1 kill. Rot we did one attempt and got him to 2mil, but people had to go for the evening.

I think as an all guild HoR run we'll be killing both fairly quickly.

[Some Rogue]

Fester is the gear check, Rotface is the retard check.

[Some Rogue]

Also, fuck DK's in full PvE gear coming in to WSG with their Shadow's Edge and just being unstoppable. 14k Death strikes, melee swings of 4.5k, 10k heart strikes. Who can live through that?

[Keller]

Also, fuck DK's in full PvE gear coming in to WSG with their Shadow's Edge and just being unstoppable. 14k Death strikes, melee swings of 4.5k, 10k heart strikes. Who can live through that?

Abicaboose. That's who.

1175 resilience, 36k health, and cleanse.

Prot/ret is the new OP.

[AnticorRifling]

Yeah it is, it's insane.

I need a Shadow's Edge. Let's work on that.

[Drisco]

Hey Guys I'm thinking about Server Transfering. How are the BG Que Times on Dunemaul, Hordeside?

WSG
AB
EotES
AV
IoC


Off-peak times as well has High times.

Oh and the Horde/Alliance win ratio.

[Parkbandit]

Not sure what the times are of the BGs.. but I know that if you aren't in a premade group, horde sucks. I either run with guildies or I run on a premade vent group.

[TheEschaton]

AV Horde always loses. We do well in AB, WSG is about 50/50. Don't do the other BGs, wouldn't know.

[AnticorRifling]

Not sure what the times are of the BGs.. but I know that if you aren't in a premade group, horde sucks. I either run with guildies or I run on a premade vent group.

This.

Que times aren't bad at all but we get our stool pushed in unless it's a premade or guild run. The major exception....WG wintergrasp on dunemaul is basically just one big bring some alliance to the gang bang event. We, horde, will control WG 20 hours a day.

[TheEschaton]

I'm of the opinion that the other servers in our battlegroup suck. If Dunemaulers made up the BGs, we'd own them.

[AnticorRifling]

We do have some solid pvp'ers.

[AestheticDeath]

My fail guild finally got Fester down in 25m... RIGHT as he berserked and killed 95% of the raid.

[AnticorRifling]

Bad dps is bad?

[Krendeli]

My fail guild finally got Fester down in 25m... RIGHT as he berserked and killed 95% of the raid.

Mine's worse. We just downed fester for the second time on 10man and can't get Rotface down past 60%.

[Methais]

My guild is still working on Ragnaros. We should have him down within a month or two.

[Parkbandit]

My guild is still working on Ragnaros. We should have him down within a month or two.

Holy shit, are you in Sundemos?

[AnticorRifling]

My guild is still working on Ragnaros. We should have him down within a month or two.
Make sure you're farming fire resist gear man. Gotta do those Incendious bracer runs!

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I've finished the first 4 bosses of ICC10 8 times and gotten one fucking item out of it :( Anyone besides me think the first 4 are very mail, plate and melee weapon heavy? Clearly someone hates resto druids.

For the rest of my guild, they are finally getting geared though.

[Some Rogue]

We've seen tons of mail. I got a tank weapon, a ring, some pants and a chest from the first 4 in 9 kills though.

[Parkbandit]

I've finished the first 4 bosses of ICC10 8 times and gotten one fucking item out of it :( Anyone besides me think the first 4 are very mail, plate and melee weapon heavy? Clearly someone hates resto druids.

For the rest of my guild, they are finally getting geared though.

I think I've gotten one item from there as well.. the staff. I think there's some boots and bracers that are in the loot table, yet haven't dropped yet. I also picked up a feral belt.

Hopefully, we go in tonight and progress through Rot and Fester.

[g++]

Would be nice to try professors on 10 man tonight if we can manage to be decent, how did toc go last night? I ended up going to happy hour.

[TheEschaton]

The only item that dropped was the feral belt, and I already have the badge one (which is better). I wish the tank rings would drop, but yeah, there's not much leather in the first wing.

ToC 25 was 1 shot everything, took us 45 minutes. We got rid of the baddies from last week (when it took us a whole hour) and picked up some good people.

[AestheticDeath]

Is it common/normal for druid tanks to take pieces with defense? Specifically rings?

[AestheticDeath]

Bad dps is bad?

Almost funny. But yes actually. We have too many DPS stuck at 5k. Only way we downed it was by having only 5 healers instead of 6, which may be the way we were supposed to be doing it the whole time? I don't know.

Funnier though, once we downed him... GL was like nice, now that we have it on FARM, we can move on...

Since when does downing something once count as having it on farm? Am I just not optimistic enough, that I feel we need like 2-3 100% successful attempts before it is on farm?

[g++]

If only blizzard would add welps to every encounter.

[Keller]

Almost funny. But yes actually. We have too many DPS stuck at 5k. Only way we downed it was by having only 5 healers instead of 6, which may be the way we were supposed to be doing it the whole time? I don't know.

Funnier though, once we downed him... GL was like nice, now that we have it on FARM, we can move on...

Since when does downing something once count as having it on farm? Am I just not optimistic enough, that I feel we need like 2-3 100% successful attempts before it is on farm?

I remember when the Hounds of Rexxar had Razorgore on farm.

[TheEschaton]

Is it common/normal for druid tanks to take pieces with defense? Specifically rings?

All tank rings usually have some defense on them, but we're looking at them for the dodge and stam and all that sexy stuff. ;) Defense has some use for tanks who're already uncrittable, including druid tanks, but we don't search for it. It's unavoidable though, if you want a tank ring (which you want more than an AP/crit/AGI ring, for example). My defense actually hovers around 500 just from picking up tank pieces in my non-leather slots, like rings, neck, and back.

[AnticorRifling]

We did great on Fester (which is really just a gear check) first attempt of 6+ not seeing the fight before we had a wipe. Second attempt smooth as could be. Rot we had some good attempts and after talkin with our off tank I think we can fix it next time in. Doucher wasn't running decursive so he was taking way, way too long to clense the posions. Live and learn. We've most def got the gear and talent to be chuggin thru. Blood council is going to be a hoot.

[Some Rogue]

You don't even need decursive. DBM puts a mark on their head. If the infected people are running to your OT, he just cleanses the marked person when they get there.

[AnticorRifling]

True but we don't want to give it a month of attempts first. Oh snap.

[Parkbandit]

I think next time we do ICC, I say we have Rennoc tanking and Steve doing dps. I really believe that the tanking of the globs is the key to that encounter. Steve stayed in melee range far too often and was getting hit for 30+K each hit.

[AnticorRifling]

My name is PB I love slime spray and standing still.

[Parkbandit]

My name is PB I love slime spray and standing still.

Easy Mike.. I took far less spray damage than either of you.

[AnticorRifling]

haha I call bull on that. Mike probably, me no way. All I do is dps and side step my job is easy.

[Parkbandit]

Looking at Recount, in a 10 man raid, you were 3rd on damage taken, Chaincreep was 4th. I was 9th.

Chaincreep did beat you on rolling around in the spray though.. he took the most at 160K.. beating the tank and even Civil.