UGH

[AnticorRifling]

I hate people who queue up as a tank JUST to get in a group.. then ask if anyone else wants to tank because he's not good at it. Well genius... there's a mage, 2 shaman and a hunter.. who the fuck do you want to do the tanking?

So he puts on his gear and here's a shock.. he has 8K less health than anyone else.......

Have him pull, let him die. Rinse repeat til he leaves.

[g++]

The healer always gets blamed.. but it's usually the quality of the tank and the non-retardation of the dps that makes a run good or not.


Hahaha someones still salty that Mike made fun of him for letting us all die without casting a single healing spell on a pull. :rofl:

[AnticorRifling]

ROFL.

Mike cracks me up when he dies. He gets insta shitty. You pulled them all away from me!!!! Uh dude..death grip, one mob. YOU PULLED THEM ALL AWAY FROM ME!!!!!

[Parkbandit]

Hahaha someones still salty that Mike made fun of him for letting us all die without casting a single healing spell on a pull. :rofl:

1) Healing spells were cast... but as the 4 of you were yelling "RUN AWAY!!!!! RUN AWAY!!!!! WE ARE BURNING HERE!!!!!", it was hard for me to keep casting heals on you as you ran by me and got too far away.

2) Who uses the term "salty"?

3) I decided to let Mike feel he was right for his own good... an argument with him could trigger another heart attack and I didn't want to be responsible for his death in game and out.

[Liagala]

Installing WoW on a new computer... yay. My old laptop decided to shit the bed on me out of nowhere this afternoon. Everything was fine all day at work. I closed it, put it in my bag, drove home, and opened it back up to find blue screen of death. It tried to reboot, and refused to do so no matter what I did. According to someone who knows more about this than I do, it's either the hard drive or the motherboard. Whether he's right or not I don't much care, it turned out to be one hell of an excuse to buy a new laptop. Assuming the Geek Squad guys can get my files off my old one, I'm a happy camper.

If this damn install ever finishes, that is.

[4a6c1]

Cool. Brag a little. What kind. Is it purty. etc. etc.

[Liagala]

Cool. Brag a little. What kind. Is it purty. etc. etc.

I went more for cheap and fast (to buy) than fancy. It was off the shelf at Best Buy, which is a new one for me. I usually like to customize and pick a jillion different options at dell.com. Um... stats. Dell Inspiron N7010, i5 processor (whatever the hell that means), 6GB RAM, 640GB HD, Intel-whatever-comes-with-basic-laptops graphics/sound, etc. It's not top of the line, but it's shiny and new, and will soon have WoW on it!

[4a6c1]

Let us know how it runs WoW. I'm looking to buy in 2011. :)

[AestheticDeath]

Healing hasn't been bad for me, but I have only seen 4 different dungeons so far. Been splitting my time between three of my guys. And leveling my healer is fucking slow. Takes like 8-10 seconds per mob for him instead of like 2 seconds for my DPS guys. The only good part is he never runs out of mana, I get through with a mob and look up and the mana is like ticking back up the last few 100 mana to full. Bout the same with the mage.

Only time someone died to my lack of healing was in whatever dungeon that has the dragon and the air guy? Like 20 something sparkling stars all start casting arcane barrage or something. The first time it happened I pulled it.. was like oh neat whats this? OH SHIT, and I healed thru it but went OOM. Second time was someone elses fault and since we had already seen it, I was like fuck it.. stayed back and just let them die and rezzed them after.


Only bad situation I really had was in Stonecore I think it is, and I had swapped to tanking for the last two bosses. On the last one with the lady that has a billion adds. I'm not used to tanking much less seeing so many things coming from different directions. And the other 4 people are spread out everywhere. So anytime the groups of adds spawned they were right on top of someone else before I could get to them. I think we wiped like 3 times before we swapped back to a druid tank, me healing - and after a crap rogue had left, and was replaced with a warrior, we got it down. I think mainly due to the warrior taking the adds out. Being in plate and him being able to just walk in and aoe and survive with some heals was nice. But when I was tanking, the disc priest couldn't keep people alive without going OOM like half way into the fight. And at that point everyone was cloth/leather but me so they dropped quick to the adds if they didn't get out of the way.


And on the obsidium... I haven't been selling it because I am stupid that way. I feel like I need to raise my skills before I sell my stuff for some reason.

Just sucks because obsidium seems so rare. I can't find a good place to farm it. VashJr is supposed to be the best place according to wowhead, though it doesn't even list Hyjal as having obsidium, but I was having more luck there than anywhere else, at first anyways. Then it just dissapeared - and what I could find was phased out.

[Alfster]

Healing hasn't been bad for me, but I have only seen 4 different dungeons so far. Been splitting my time between three of my guys. And leveling my healer is fucking slow. Takes like 8-10 seconds per mob for him instead of like 2 seconds for my DPS guys. The only good part is he never runs out of mana, I get through with a mob and look up and the mana is like ticking back up the last few 100 mana to full. Bout the same with the mage.

Only time someone died to my lack of healing was in whatever dungeon that has the dragon and the air guy? Like 20 something sparkling stars all start casting arcane barrage or something. The first time it happened I pulled it.. was like oh neat whats this? OH SHIT, and I healed thru it but went OOM. Second time was someone elses fault and since we had already seen it, I was like fuck it.. stayed back and just let them die and rezzed them after.


Only bad situation I really had was in Stonecore I think it is, and I had swapped to tanking for the last two bosses. On the last one with the lady that has a billion adds. I'm not used to tanking much less seeing so many things coming from different directions. And the other 4 people are spread out everywhere. So anytime the groups of adds spawned they were right on top of someone else before I could get to them. I think we wiped like 3 times before we swapped back to a druid tank, me healing - and after a crap rogue had left, and was replaced with a warrior, we got it down. I think mainly due to the warrior taking the adds out. Being in plate and him being able to just walk in and aoe and survive with some heals was nice. But when I was tanking, the disc priest couldn't keep people alive without going OOM like half way into the fight. And at that point everyone was cloth/leather but me so they dropped quick to the adds if they didn't get out of the way.


And on the obsidium... I haven't been selling it because I am stupid that way. I feel like I need to raise my skills before I sell my stuff for some reason.

Just sucks because obsidium seems so rare. I can't find a good place to farm it. VashJr is supposed to be the best place according to wowhead, though it doesn't even list Hyjal as having obsidium, but I was having more luck there than anywhere else, at first anyways. Then it just dissapeared - and what I could find was phased out.

Quoting before you edit this gem.

[TheEschaton]

The mana cost scaling at 85 is ridiculous. I imagine it's because they balance it for raiding or something, but hell's bells. I only started healing at 85 on my priest, but holy hell. I have 77k mana, which I thought was a lot, but when every PW:shield costs 3.5k, you run out pretty damn quick. Penance is 5k mana, Greater Heal, 5k, flash heal, forget that shit, the only efficient spells seem to be Prayer of Mending (with a 6 second CD or whatever) and regular Heal, but people seem to be taking too much damage for me to be wasting 2 seconds on a heal when I can get a Greater Heal in the same amount of time.

People who've been levelling as healers have said it was easier to heal at 81 than 84-85 because of the scaling. Bizarre.

-TheE-

[Liagala]

I'm pretty sure this is old, but I just found it today. They should just rename "Metermaid" to "AD"

http://www.wowwiki.com/People_in_your_Raid

[4a6c1]

Dude you guys are terribad to AD. You know, not everyone is born really good at WoW. Although AD could probably stand to admit he's a little bit of a n00b. Everyone kiss and makeup. With extra gayness pls. Teehee.

[4a6c1]

I'm pretty sure this is old, but I just found it today. They should just rename "Metermaid" to "AD"

http://www.wowwiki.com/People_in_your_Raid

awesome

EDIT: the pvper HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA /die

[Liagala]

Dude you guys are terribad to AD. You know, not everyone is born really good at WoW. Although AD could probably stand to admit he's a little bit of a n00b. Everyone kiss and makeup. With extra gayness pls. Teehee.

We're terribad to him because he refuses to admit that he's "a little bit of a n00b" as you put it. We all do dumb shit and ask stupid questions... the rest of us just realize when we're being retarded and fix whatever we're doing wrong (or at least attempt to). The PC in general is decently tolerant of fail (we'll make fun of you, but like you anyway), but destroys the willfully idiotic.

[TheEschaton]

This is what I'm aiming for:

Mr. Mic-less
Has a microphone, though claims not to, he hears the conversation and directions. Once wiped the raid because he started talking and most folks alt-tabbed to see who the hell was speaking. May be your best player.

[Liagala]

This is what I'm aiming for:

Mr. Mic-less
Has a microphone, though claims not to, he hears the conversation and directions. Once wiped the raid because he started talking and most folks alt-tabbed to see who the hell was speaking. May be your best player.
That was Rennoc, when I first joined Hounds. He said something on vent, and everyone from GiG was like, "What? He speaks??"

Edit: Yes dammit, I am replying to every post. WoW is almost done patching and I'm impatient.

Further Edit: You are not allowed to go silent on vent when you have a working mic. Sorry.

[Liagala]

people seem to be taking too much damage for me to be wasting 2 seconds on a heal when I can get a Greater Heal in the same amount of time.
This, I think, is part of the problem. People are too conditioned to slacking on damage avoidance, dps throwing out the occasional heals, talents that reduce damage, etc. We're used to healers being able to keep up with everything that goes on. Tanks need learn to be more liberal with cooldowns, and dps with damage avoidance.

Also, haste. If Holy Light didn't take 3 days to cast, I'd use it a lot more often and run out of mana a lot less.

[TheEschaton]

That was Rennoc, when I first joined Hounds. He said something on vent, and everyone from GiG was like, "What? He speaks??"

Edit: Yes dammit, I am replying to every post. WoW is almost done patching and I'm impatient.

Further Edit: You are not allowed to go silent on vent when you have a working mic. Sorry.

The crappy part is that in the past month where I haven't had WoW installed on anything and wasn't playing, I just spent hours on youtube watching beta videos of dungeon fights, so I know where everything is, but have to type all that shit out in guild.

-TheE-

[Liagala]

The creepy part is that in the past month where I haven't had WoW installed on anything and wasn't playing, I just spent hours on youtube watching beta videos of dungeon fights

Fixed

[TheEschaton]

How the fuck is that creepy?!? I was just getting prepared.

[Alfster]

I like what they've done so far with Cata. I think the difficulty level is certainly harder than WOTLK ever was, but not to the point where it's not fun.

The dungeons feel more like mini raids, than just an afk snooze fest.

[Alfster]

The Bouncer
Definitely not a stoner or drunk--but he's on something. Is constantly hopping around. 6 hours and he's still bouncing. Has been known to bounce off a ledge/pathway or into mobs on occasion. Often a top 3 DPSer and resident vent comedian.

I lost count of how many times I accidentally jumped off the platform while buffing up. This is magnified now due to being able to spam scortch while running.

[TheEschaton]

Yeah, in the first dungeon I healed (at 85), we went to LCoTV, and we wiped once on the second last boss and the last boss. I'd like to think the slow DPS on the dark phoenix wasn't my fault, but damn, those bosses put out a lot of damage.

[4a6c1]

There is one for bgs too. LOL! Great find Lia.

[Parkbandit]

That was Rennoc, when I first joined Hounds. He said something on vent, and everyone from GiG was like, "What? He speaks??"


We thought Rennoc was a mute or was into some freakish mime fetish.

[AestheticDeath]

I actually don't play the game anything like I post here. And as much as I always have recount open, I almost never mention it, unless its unexpected, like my tank getting top DPS. And the only time I ask someone else to post it (in whisper) is when mine breaks.

One of those reminds me of another player though. The lolbot. There was a guy who played a female character, every time he typed anything out, whether it be a question or statement, positive or negative, he ended it with lol instead of punctuation.

Mr quiet contempt is probably closer to me in game.

[AestheticDeath]

UGH 12-10-2010 10:51 PM Holy fuck, how dumb are you? Spend the 10 gold and have a healing spec and a dps spec. Fuck, it's hard not to make fun of you when you are this fucking stupid.

pot meet kettle time? How stupid are you to go all anon and suggest I don't know about duel spec? seriously? I paid my 1000 g when it came out, and I chose not to dps. I also choose not to carry three fucking sets of gear. And i choose not to pay 120g+ everytime I would have to swap my offspecs.

Fuck you very much retardo. And try and join the conversation next time instead of 'trying' to take pot shots.

Besides that I need my heal/tank specs for randoms.

[Alfster]

At current gear levels, heroics are tuned perfectly. I've not finished one yet, but damn are they actually fun.

[AnticorRifling]

How stupid are you to go all anon and suggest I don't know about duel spec?


Duel spec huh? Please ask this person how they're stupid again just for the lol of it.

[AnticorRifling]

The Bouncer
Definitely not a stoner or drunk--but he's on something. Is constantly hopping around. 6 hours and he's still bouncing. Has been known to bounce off a ledge/pathway or into mobs on occasion. Often a top 3 DPSer and resident vent comedian.

I lost count of how many times I accidentally jumped off the platform while buffing up. This is magnified now due to being able to spam scortch while running.

Yeah I may or may not have died multiple times by jumping off random shit during dungeons and raids. Most recently this weekend in Grim Batol we pulled the pack right before the drakes you ride and boom Dachcow is falling. It doesn't beat my first time I got flight form on the druid level of awesome, but it's close.

[Nieninque]

Can you imagine, as a DPS, waiting the 20 or 30 minutes to get into a heroic dungeon and finding AD as the tank?

Epic disappointment.

[AnticorRifling]

We've had a few instances where the dungeon pops, you join it and as soon as you're inside the "tank" says hey guys can one of you tank I'm not good at it. They just hit the tank button to get the instant queue. Fucking knobs.

[Nieninque]

Hahahahaha

Tards. Hoping they are not going to end up with four clothies then?

[g++]

Can you imagine, as a DPS, waiting the 20 or 30 minutes to get into a heroic dungeon and finding AD as the tank?

Epic disappointment.

Had a tank the other day tell me he was not going to stop standing in void zones because he had always stood in void zones and it had never been a problem before. He was like if you dont like it you can just kick me. 60 seconds after the vote passed the new tank arrived and the first thing he said was repentence square he drops a void zone. Im liking cataclysm it makes it glaringly obvious who is being retarded. Some times its me but I at least try to do better.

This is the shadowlancer mob in tolvir btw.

[Parkbandit]

We've had a few instances where the dungeon pops, you join it and as soon as you're inside the "tank" says hey guys can one of you tank I'm not good at it. They just hit the tank button to get the instant queue. Fucking knobs.

This happens about half the times for me in pugs. Fuck.. I had one a couple of days ago.. level 84 and had 54K health. I asked him to put his tanking gear on and he said he already did. I took the deserter debuff as soon as he pulled. I'll go through 30 minutes of questing before 30 minutes of a wipefest.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I'm so ready to start raiding again. I forgot how much I dislike grinding out quests/mobs/5 mans to get gear to raid :(

[AnticorRifling]

That just means you're doing 5mans with people you don't like.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

That just means you're doing 5mans with people you don't like.

Naw, I like nearly everyone in my guild. I just want to be 85 already. I think my problem is I'm not a huge xp grinder, so I'm not 85 yet, and I feel like I'm missing out, but I'm really not I guess. And I need to do 5 more toons and frankly I don't want too :(

[Loyrl]

If you can do the quests in twilight highlands you should, they give good exp and decent rewards, the mobs have 80k~hp and hit a bit harder than the lower zones though. 84 to 85 isn't as bad as some people have said.

[Alfster]

Leveling felt fast. I know I had 9 million experience to go, and did some 8 hour back to back to back to back dungeon runs, but it went fast.

[AestheticDeath]

Duel spec huh? Please ask this person how they're stupid again just for the lol of it.

Like you have never ever in your life made errors in typing? Yeah go fuck yourself.

[TheEschaton]

Ummm, what do I do now? I hate PUGing dungeons with all the tards out there on our battlegroups, so when you guys aren't on, I just sit around idly. I guess I can fucking level Tort still. He's 83 now, he'll definitely be 85 by the end of tomorrow, reachin two toons to cap within a week of the xpac is definiely a new feeling.

-TheE-

[Alfster]

I've just been using JC'ing to make 10k+ gold every few hours.

Go go gems.

[TheEschaton]

where are you getting uncut gems from?

[Alfster]

Buying the Ocean Sapphires on the AH for 60 - 80 gold a piece.

Selling the Rigid Ocean Sapphires (+40 hit) for 200 gold a piece. So I profit about 100 gold per, and I seem to be the only JC'er on my server making this particular cut right now.

[g++]

Buying the Ocean Sapphires on the AH for 60 - 80 gold a piece.

Selling the Rigid Ocean Sapphires (+40 hit) for 200 gold a piece. So I profit about 100 gold per, and I seem to be the only JC'er on my server making this particular cut right now.

Thats pretty smart. There is no where near enough hit on gear right now.

[g++]

Ummm, what do I do now? I hate PUGing dungeons with all the tards out there on our battlegroups, so when you guys aren't on, I just sit around idly. I guess I can fucking level Tort still. He's 83 now, he'll definitely be 85 by the end of tomorrow, reachin two toons to cap within a week of the xpac is definiely a new feeling.

-TheE-

I feel pretty much the same way. I started queueing up for heroics on my mage yesterday...50 minutes queue...fuck that. Im bringing up a gatherer to get my professions maxed. I should really just gear Salv out again and do dungeons on him to idle away time without queues.

The nice thing is maxxing professions is probably an overall more efficient way to get gear than doing heroics right now for dps. Takes like 2-3+ hours to do a heroic if you include the queue and wiping and likely not even finishing, in that time you could gather half of what you need to max your profession and get a gauranteed epic and a bunch of 333 blues. Plus within a few months people are going to be wailing on these heroics again and you can just do them and not worry about gathering 3000 elementium bars.

[AnticorRifling]

Like you have never ever in your life made errors in typing? Yeah go fuck yourself.

Mad and bad, you're the one two combo of fail.

[Parkbandit]

Ummm, what do I do now? I hate PUGing dungeons with all the tards out there on our battlegroups, so when you guys aren't on, I just sit around idly. I guess I can fucking level Tort still. He's 83 now, he'll definitely be 85 by the end of tomorrow, reachin two toons to cap within a week of the xpac is definiely a new feeling.

-TheE-

Yea.. if regular dungeons are bad to pug.. heroics will be a nightmare.

I'm going to just do herbs on Bullchip and mining on Bayne.. then level up either Bullchip or Falgrin. I'll do heroics at nights with guildies.

[AnticorRifling]

I've been dumping a ton of herbs into the guild bank so people can do alch/inscription I've gained over a million xp from mining/herbing on Anticor. He's about to hit 81 and the only quests I've done were up to taming the sea horse. I really want to get him to 82 so I might just grind that out, then I can go to deepholm and mine/herb there.

[AestheticDeath]

Which dungeons are you guys having trouble pugging? I still haven't gone beyond the first four, once I got to vortex pinnacle and saw everyone getting the mount, I only do a random once, then I just queue for VP. But VP apparently is also one of the easiest dungeons, so that's just luck I guess.

[AnticorRifling]

Which dungeons are you guys having trouble pugging? I still haven't gone beyond the first four, once I got to vortex pinnacle and saw everyone getting the mount, I only do a random once, then I just queue for VP. But VP apparently is also one of the easiest dungeons, so that's just luck I guess.

Which mount comes out of there?

I know there's a stone drake but I thought that was out of Stonecore.


Regular dungeons are all pretty much good to go, we just started heroics last night and we're just squeeking by to get the item level needed to queue for them. I think if we pull a few more rep pieces we'll be good to go for the pounding they're throwing out.

[AestheticDeath]

O.o Hope I haven't been doing the wrong one. There is a drake in both huh? All my guildies said VP at the time.

Nah, looks like it is reins of the drake of the north wind..

[Nieninque]

Which mount comes out of there?

I know there's a stone drake but I thought that was out of Stonecore.

The dragon boss apparently drops a version of himself.



Regular dungeons are all pretty much good to go, we just started heroics last night and we're just squeeking by to get the item level needed to queue for them. I think if we pull a few more rep pieces we'll be good to go for the pounding they're throwing out.
Heroics require a decent level of gear + skill + smarts. I'm now getting to a more bearable stage, but at first it was a fucking nightmare. No kidding.

[Nieninque]

Ummm, what do I do now? I hate PUGing dungeons with all the tards out there on our battlegroups, so when you guys aren't on, I just sit around idly. I guess I can fucking level Tort still. He's 83 now, he'll definitely be 85 by the end of tomorrow, reachin two toons to cap within a week of the xpac is definiely a new feeling.

-TheE-

Find some Dunemaul players that arent retarded, group with them for heroics, add to friends list, rinse, repeat.

Look for some of the established guilds and tap them up for groups, riot, TE, etc. Get yourself known as non-retarded (i.e. pretend to be someone else) and you're away.

[Alfster]

Thats pretty smart. There is no where near enough hit on gear right now.

Yup yup.

I did a couple of things to try and keep other jewelcrafter's from buying the pattern and undercutting me.

I have 5 "bank" alts, plus my actual alt putting the same gems up on the AH. The first bank alt will put a couple up at 300, then the next will put a few up at 280, follow that all the way down to 210, which is where I sell the majority at.

I named my "bank" alts after top guilds on the server. So I have Nightshiftbanko, bankforgot, etc. Other jewelcrafter's don't want to mess around with undercutting entire guilds right now, not to mention that it looks like there's already 5 people competing for this corner of the market.

It seems to have worked, as I have yet to see anyone else on my server selling this particular cut.

[Parkbandit]

That sounds like far more work than for me to go online and buy 20,000 gold for $60.00

[g++]

I used to buy gold, but honestly at this point I have too much time invested on a single account to risk it anymore.

[TheEschaton]

Authenticator ftw.

Also, Tol'vir was pretty hard, I say we try BRC tonight instead. I still need to do Grim Batol at all, but that's probably gonna be an insane heroic anyways.

I think SFK and Deadmines might be some of the "easier" heroics too, starting with LCotT was probably a mistake.

Yeah, I know people in Riot and TE, TGiG is even started up again.

-TheE-

[Parkbandit]

I used to buy gold, but honestly at this point I have too much time invested on a single account to risk it anymore.

Meh.. I purchase it on another account and then give it to my mains in smaller chunks. I doubt at this point Blizzard cares enough to cancel my accounts over it.

Gold seems to be pretty easy to come by at this point, so I don't have a need for gold. I made about 3000g just leveling up Bayne from 80 to 85. I didn't buy anything except repairs and water and didn't sell a single item on the AH.

[g++]

lol authenticator ftw. Jesus christ if I had 5k for everytime you had been hacked or recalled I would not need gold and even when I did buy gold I was never stupid enough to let them log onto my account. Blizzard does ban gold buyers...its rare but it happens.

[TheEschaton]

The only account I had hacked was the one hecto recalled on me. An authenticator on my original acct = win.

[Parkbandit]

lol authenticator ftw. Jesus christ if I had 5k for everytime you had been hacked or recalled I would not need gold and even when I did buy gold I was never stupid enough to let them log onto my account. Blizzard does ban gold buyers...its rare but it happens.

I've purchased gold multiple times... they don't ask for your password or anything else. They ask what your character's name is that you want to accept the gold from. Just look for a "reputable" source and don't go for the level 1 warrior that send you a tell of "Hi! I am pretty, u need gold?"

[g++]

Like I said I have bought gold before too and Im aware of how gold buying works. Im just saying its a gamble Im not willing to take anymore. I also highly doubt the dude you buy gold from has any clue on earth where the gold hes selling you came from regardless of how reputable he is. He just speaks enough chinese to get it from the botters and scammers on mmo-owned for 1$ less than hes getting from you. These people dont farm gold themselves. Whether the gold came from blizzard bear scams, hacks, or botting hes really not going to give a shit or have anyway of verifying even if he did. While hes talking to you in all likelihood on AIM hes just copy/pasting to some hacker that is going to stop using wowinfinity to mine under wintergrasp just long enough to log in a legit account and hand you the gold. I mean thats pretty much the reality of how that whole thing works.

[Nieninque]

Authenticator ftw.

Also, Tol'vir was pretty hard, I say we try BRC tonight instead. I still need to do Grim Batol at all, but that's probably gonna be an insane heroic anyways.

I think SFK and Deadmines might be some of the "easier" heroics too, starting with LCotT was probably a mistake.

LOL...hold that thought. Tolvir isnt too bad. Fuck Grim Batol. Stonecore isnt too bad and BRC is OK. Vortex Pinnacle isnt too bad either, but I hate the dragon boss.


Yeah, I know people in Riot and TE, TGiG is even started up again.

-TheE-

So quit your whinging then.

[Kyra231]

lol authenticator ftw. Jesus christ if I had 5k for everytime you had been hacked or recalled I would not need gold and even when I did buy gold I was never stupid enough to let them log onto my account. Blizzard does ban gold buyers...its rare but it happens.

It's not that rare if you read the cs forums. There's several daily posts of OMG WHY R I BANNED?

[g++]

Originally Posted by Nethaera (Source (http://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/143288/holy-paladin-nerfs))
These hotfixes were intentional and we wanted to share more information about the "why" for you all here:

Mana is supposed to matter for healers, and in the case of Holy paladins, that just wasn’t happening. We were seeing raid groups attempting to learn new bosses where the other healers were out of mana while the paladins were still at 90% of mana. We also thought the experience of paladins healing harder heroic dungeons was inconsistent with that of other healers, or our design intent. We thought it was only a matter of time before groups started going out of their way to stack paladins for raids or recruit them for dungeon runs, which of course is not our intent. For this reason, we thought it was important to address this point now rather than sitting on it until a future patch.

The main culprit for the increased paladin efficiency this was Holy Power from Tower of Radiance. We were seeing a strategy develop where paladins would cast Holy Light on a Beaconed tank, and then cast Light of Dawn on the raid (and use very few other spells). This strategy was remarkably successful considering how simple it is. The Holy Power-based heals are supposed to be an important component of the paladin kit, but because Holy Light is designed to be super efficient, the overall strategy was too efficient. The intent of Tower of Radiance was to make directly healing a Beacon of Light target less punitive, but instead it was becoming the only smart way to play. You can still generate Holy Power by using Flash of Light or Divine Light on a Beaconed target, or through a variety of other ways. Remember, overall it isn’t balanced if paladins are just as mana efficient as other healers and have several mana-free spells.

Light of Dawn was adjusted because it was completely eclipsing Word of Glory. We lowered the healing of Word of Glory late in development, but also redesigned Light of Dawn. They had fallen out of sync, and Light of Dawn was just too good.





Holy paladins were just nerfed into oblivion on queue. I guess the xpac is officially finished releasing now.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Originally Posted by Nethaera (Source (http://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/143288/holy-paladin-nerfs))
These hotfixes were intentional and we wanted to share more information about the "why" for you all here:

Mana is supposed to matter for healers, and in the case of Holy paladins, that just wasn’t happening. We were seeing raid groups attempting to learn new bosses where the other healers were out of mana while the paladins were still at 90% of mana. We also thought the experience of paladins healing harder heroic dungeons was inconsistent with that of other healers, or our design intent. We thought it was only a matter of time before groups started going out of their way to stack paladins for raids or recruit them for dungeon runs, which of course is not our intent. For this reason, we thought it was important to address this point now rather than sitting on it until a future patch.

The main culprit for the increased paladin efficiency this was Holy Power from Tower of Radiance. We were seeing a strategy develop where paladins would cast Holy Light on a Beaconed tank, and then cast Light of Dawn on the raid (and use very few other spells). This strategy was remarkably successful considering how simple it is. The Holy Power-based heals are supposed to be an important component of the paladin kit, but because Holy Light is designed to be super efficient, the overall strategy was too efficient. The intent of Tower of Radiance was to make directly healing a Beacon of Light target less punitive, but instead it was becoming the only smart way to play. You can still generate Holy Power by using Flash of Light or Divine Light on a Beaconed target, or through a variety of other ways. Remember, overall it isn’t balanced if paladins are just as mana efficient as other healers and have several mana-free spells.

Light of Dawn was adjusted because it was completely eclipsing Word of Glory. We lowered the healing of Word of Glory late in development, but also redesigned Light of Dawn. They had fallen out of sync, and Light of Dawn was just too good.





Holy paladins were just nerfed into oblivion on queue. I guess the xpac is officially finished releasing now.

I'd rather they just gave druids a little of their mana regen back... not a lot, but a little. Disc priests look fine to me, maybe a little op with their divine aegis procing at 20k, but still pretty good. Sham heals seem fine to me also.

[g++]

I healed some dungeons and calmed down. Its really not the end of the world it just tightens things up a little which prolly puts it in stride with priests/druids how shamans are still unnerfed is beyond me they still just lol shields all over the place. It did ruin the holy power aspect of healing though...its more an afterthought now than a main mechanic.

[AestheticDeath]

I was wondering what the fuck bugged out or got screwed up. I guess they 'fixed' something again.

[Nieninque]

I was wondering what the fuck bugged out or got screwed up. I guess they 'fixed' something again.

On to the next flavour of the month then?

In other matters, we did the vault boss yesterday then tried the first one in BWD. Eeesh, learning curves and all that. Fun stuff though.
We then hit the rated BGs. Just like the old days.

[Nieninque]

Oh yeah and Tol Barad is fucking stupid.

[g++]

Oh yeah and Tol Barad is fucking stupid.


Agree.

We did tempest whatever on heroic last night...went pretty well had to two tank some of the trash pulls. Was fun. I kept polymorphing moon and star even though I was assigned diamond the entire run for extra hilarity and Wayne nerded out and got everyone to do the 5 gold coin achieve. I think theres literally a malfunction in my brain that makes me polymorph star because im so used to being moon/star.

Diamonds how the fuck do they work right?

[AnticorRifling]

Yeah heroic vortex pinnacle. Since the front half of the instance is all elemental or CC was 2 tanks so one tank wasn't getting pounded to death in damage.

Shut up you know you wanted the gold orb achieve too FU!

[Parkbandit]

Yeah heroic vortex pinnacle. Since the front half of the instance is all elemental or CC was 2 tanks so one tank wasn't getting pounded to death in damage.

Shut up you know you wanted the gold orb achieve too FU!

I should be around tonight.. with 2 CCs. We had a neighborhood Christmas party last night and I was in no condition to do new content........

[g++]

Should try heroic brd, looks pretty easy.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I should be around tonight.. with 2 CCs. We had a neighborhood Christmas party last night and I was in no condition to do new content........

True that, the holiday expansion is fucking me up. I have work parties, friend parties, shopping and gotta travel the next two weeks. HOW THE FUCK AM I SUPPOSED TO WOW?!

I have Thursday and part of Friday to get to 85 though, so I think I'll be there before I drop off the face of the earth and come back to everyone in epics and raiding :(

[AnticorRifling]

I'm already rocking epics (minus the s) don't even look at me.

[TheEschaton]

I'm rocking a heroic cloak that Pj let me have.....mmm.

[Alfster]

You guys start in on any raids yet?

[g++]

Nah, we prolly only have 7-9 guild members who can even queue for heroics at this point and barely any heroics gear. Im honestly in no rush especially when we are still finding heroics challenging and new.

[Liagala]

With holy power/holy light nerf, is trying to be in melee and crusader striking things a decent idea? It'll get more holy power, but in all the dungeons I've run, there seems to be a lot of aoe damage on the melee dps (either that or my mom bathes in fire). I don't want to use that extra holy power healing myself because I rolled around in avoidable damage.

Also, is LoD even worth it anymore? I haven't had a chance to check things out much, but I heard it was only doing 6k-ish heals. When most people have 100k-ish health pools and rarely cooperate by standing in the right place for the cone to hit them, that's not exactly helpful.

Edit: This is for Holy. There's no question of standing in melee and crusader striking as ret.

[AnticorRifling]

If you're running 2 rets you should be WoG each other so you get the damage boost in return.

[TheEschaton]

Speaking of many paladins, Salv should tell you the story of the heroic he and I tried to do after y'all logged for the night.

Holy shit, man, it still makes me irate.

[g++]

With holy power/holy light nerf, is trying to be in melee and crusader striking things a decent idea? It'll get more holy power, but in all the dungeons I've run, there seems to be a lot of aoe damage on the melee dps (either that or my mom bathes in fire). I don't want to use that extra holy power healing myself because I rolled around in avoidable damage.

Also, is LoD even worth it anymore? I haven't had a chance to check things out much, but I heard it was only doing 6k-ish heals. When most people have 100k-ish health pools and rarely cooperate by standing in the right place for the cone to hit them, that's not exactly helpful.

Edit: This is for Holy. There's no question of standing in melee and crusader striking as ret.

I really would not personally recommend this for a number of reasons.

1. Most of the time the reason its hard to heal in cata dungeons is because melee take so much god damn whirlwind and splash damage. Getting additional holy power by bathing in damage is going to be kind of counter productive.

2. You could more easily get stunned/interrupted/aoe'd/flame breathed/shit on standing in melee range.

3. If you were to do this you would be judging every 6 seconds, holy shocking every 7 and crusader striking every 3 while healing. Thats like 50% of your time spent on global cooldowns that dont really do much healing..it would be hard to maintain while people are actually taking damage.

Honestly if you are judging on cooldown for the 1500 mp5 and using holy light as filler you can usually not go oom unless your group does something stupid. The extra crusader strikes for holy power might be something to strive for if you want to be like the most efficient healer ever to grace wow or something but in practice i think it would be counter productive.

[AnticorRifling]

I just tried to do a random heroic here at work on my laptop...holy fail. The warrior mouth hugged damage, the lock was our CC and border line retarded. Tank had 115k hp as a pally and he was using a food buff, flask, fort, kings. The healer was decent though.

Tonight I want to try throne of tides. I got pulled into that heroic on second boss and really we should be able to down that one with little issue. If those tards can kill the first boss we've got it no problem.

[g++]

Speaking of many paladins, Salv should tell you the story of the heroic he and I tried to do after y'all logged for the night.

Holy shit, man, it still makes me irate.


Eh just some asshole from the same guild got under my skin. We were doing throne of tides and I was actually doing pretty well aside from one near wipe when the tank and a ret paladin both stood in green shit literally till they dropped dead...even after the mobs were all dead. The whole time E is on vent telling me these guys are fucking nubs and we should leave but im like...they arent so bad we can stick it out.

Its the pull before the second elevator where theres 5 of the fish people 2 healers, 2 witchs and a melee one. The ret paladin says sheep square and runs in with the tank..me and tort are on vent and both are like WTF the square is the melee and the cc makes zero sense. So of course the two witchs chain lightning the group down and theres an un cc'd healer just mending the skull target so we wipe. The ret paladin gives me a ration of shit for not keeping the tank up and bla bla. Im thinking about going off but I figure ill just try to fix the cc up and keep moving because I really dont want the first instance to end like this.

As soon as we wipe the tank says "afk a sec"

We get back to the pull and I say "Maybe this time repentance the witch, poly the mender and pull the melee one."

Ret paladin "Well take care of that bud"
Me "So your going to repentence it? cause if we get chain lighning into oblivion again, and you blame me im just gonna take off now"

20 minute argument.
I pull the instance for fun and die, tort drops group.

Tank comes back 30 minutes later and say "LOL HAD TO GO TO STORE"

First heroic pug of the expansion comes to an end.

[TheEschaton]

The 20 minutes of argument included, but was not limited to:

1) the ret pally insisting he called out a repentance on square on the pull that wiped us, at which I pointed out that he hadn't even marked a square the previous pull, and Salv mentioned that Recount didn't show any broken CCs.

2) Me defending Salv by saying he healed me through LK when the buff was still low enough to be difficult at which the ret pally insisted healing LK was ez-sauce, or at least easier than the heroics we were currently doing. I proceeded to armory their LK kill (they were all proudly wearing their Kingslayer titles), 10/23, a couple months after the THIRTY percent buff, and a full 4 months after we downed him (and we were slow).

3) The ret pally insisting that me pulling threat on the fucking SKULL target was my fault, and not the tank's fault, despite the fact that I had a huge ramp up time on my dots, and I face tanked it til it was dead while Salv healed me and the retarded tank did nothing but try and pick up something else.

When Salv facepulled, I thought the intention was for us to leave group and fuck them, so I just dropped group. Ah well.

-TheE-

[g++]

Eh the whole thing was stupid, the funny thing is if the tank had not gone afk none of it would have happened. Wed have just argued about cc for two minutes and moved on but because he went to the store there was nothing to do but hate each other.

[Loyrl]

Eh just some asshole from the same guild got under my skin. We were doing throne of tides and I was actually doing pretty well aside from one near wipe when the tank and a ret paladin both stood in green shit literally till they dropped dead...even after the mobs were all dead. The whole time E is on vent telling me these guys are fucking nubs and we should leave but im like...they arent so bad we can stick it out.

Its the pull before the second elevator where theres 5 of the fish people 2 healers, 2 witchs and a melee one. The ret paladin says sheep square and runs in with the tank..me and tort are on vent and both are like WTF the square is the melee and the cc makes zero sense. So of course the two witchs chain lightning the group down and theres an un cc'd healer just mending the skull target so we wipe. The ret paladin gives me a ration of shit for not keeping the tank up and bla bla. Im thinking about going off but I figure ill just try to fix the cc up and keep moving because I really dont want the first instance to end like this.

As soon as we wipe the tank says "afk a sec"

We get back to the pull and I say "Maybe this time repentance the witch, poly the mender and pull the melee one."

Ret paladin "Well take care of that bud"
Me "So your going to repentence it? cause if we get chain lighning into oblivion again, and you blame me im just gonna take off now"

20 minute argument.
I pull the instance for fun and die, tort drops group.

Tank comes back 30 minutes later and say "LOL HAD TO GO TO STORE"

First heroic pug of the expansion comes to an end.

Sounds awesome, how much difference is the damage people take between normal and heroic? Anyone a priest healer?

[g++]

Sounds awesome, how much difference is the damage people take between normal and heroic? Anyone a priest healer?

It seems somewhat trivial to me when things are done right. When they are done wrong its completely unhealable. Like for instance in regular tides standing in that green shit is like "Oh someone is taking damage". On heroic its like a 20k/second dot that applies mortal strike.....yah..your fucking dead buddy lol.

[TheEschaton]

I'm a priest "healer" but I've yet to figure out how to be mana efficient as disc. When shields cost 3.5k a pop, it's a pain in the ass.

-TheE-

[AnticorRifling]

Sounds awesome, how much difference is the damage people take between normal and heroic? Anyone a priest healer?

Make sure you ask for a good priest healer or TheE might chime in...oh too late.

[Keller]

I'm a priest "healer" but I've yet to figure out how to be mana efficient as disc. When shields cost 3.5k a pop, it's a pain in the ass.

-TheE-

I'm level 43 now and have yet to use a spell other than smite in an instance.

You must suck.

[TheEschaton]

Yanno, I read the smite talent stuff, but I'm curious as to how good it can be at 85. I'll try it out and let you know.

[RichardCranium]

I know everyone's busy leveling up and getting gear but I did a lower level quest a few minutes ago that literally made me lol, continously. The questgiver tries to pawn off her job on you, so you sit on her horse and give out a few quests. Read this if you have a couple of minutes:

http://www.wowwiki.com/Quest:Welcome_to_the_Machine

Look below the quest rewards for the dialogue.

[AnticorRifling]

Sounds fun, I can't see wowwiki at work I'll check it out at home.

Still love the badlands quests where you PUNCH DEATHWING IN THE FACE!

[Loyrl]

I am a disc healer, and I have read that Heal is our main spell now, and shield spam is no more. Our heals cost a lot, and I have read about the smite + arch angel combo, but it seems like that takes too much time atm with how much our healing does and peoples HP pools. Heal takes about 2.5~ seconds to cast and doesn't heal for very much, I am pretty much spamming it. And when the proc comes up for a free flash of light I use that. Penance heals for about 12~k non crits. So Shielding for haste buff, then penance and then a heal is what my current combo is.

I was wondering why Heal is our main spell now, and then I looked at the cost of flash of light and saw the reason, 5k for flash of light, and 5-6k for greater heal. Hopefully a few things get better with gear, currently I have 2 greens to get rid of, and the rest should be 300+ blues.

I have heard paladin healers are critting for 30k for their regular heal, not sure if thats true, but a 30k crit requires me to cast greater heal, which drains the mana pretty quickly... Guess I should find more INT.

[TheEschaton]

Yeah, in early heroics, heal-spamming is not gonna cut it, because everyone is taking a shit ton of damage. Maybe that'll change as people gear up, but if I spammed heal, I'd be waaaaay behind, even with Heal talented down to 2 seconds.

[AestheticDeath]

On to the next flavour of the month then?

In other matters, we did the vault boss yesterday then tried the first one in BWD. Eeesh, learning curves and all that. Fun stuff though.
We then hit the rated BGs. Just like the old days.
Stupid comments from the peanut gallery. I've never had a flavor of the month, but thanks anyways. And I still heal just fine. But it is kind of retarded to log in, go do what you have been doing for days, and something not work because they decide to fuck something up... and not tell you. They really should have a small msg when you log in, Hey Paladins, we fucked your holy light spell - pls be aware.

I shouldn't have to read message boards to know what is going on in game.

[Nieninque]

Stupid comments from the peanut gallery. I've never had a flavor of the month, but thanks anyways. And I still heal just fine. But it is kind of retarded to log in, go do what you have been doing for days, and something not work because they decide to fuck something up... and not tell you. They really should have a small msg when you log in, Hey Paladins, we fucked your holy light spell - pls be aware.

I shouldn't have to read message boards to know what is going on in game.

Yes you are right. They should send all paladins a personal message whenever they change anything even vaguely related to them. Fucking moron. Read patch notes, read the boards or just accept that you are not going to know shit about the game, until you get your victim face on.

And you have done the flavour of the month thing since you started playing. Your characters are mage, paladin and DK, right? nice mix. Tosser.

BTW they fucked up the paladin shit before the fix, not after. The fix was making sure scrubs like you have to manage the way the rest of us have since the expac was released. Now fuck off.

[RichardCranium]

Sounds fun, I can't see wowwiki at work I'll check it out at home.

Still love the badlands quests where you PUNCH DEATHWING IN THE FACE!

You later find them as you're questing and the hilarity continues.

[RichardCranium]

Yes you are right. They should send all paladins a personal message whenever they change anything even vaguely related to them. Fucking moron. Read patch notes, read the boards or just accept that you are not going to know shit about the game, until you get your victim face on.

He could always ask here on the PC. There are more than a few people qualified to answer any questions...



And you have done the flavour of the month thing since you started playing. Your characters are mage, paladin and DK, right? nice mix. Tosser.

:(

[AestheticDeath]

just because you have 12 druids doesn't mean those of us who play more than one character should stick to one class, and your stupid shit would only make sense if i had been playing for three months, assuming those were the only three characters I play - which they aren't

And because you are stupid enough to infer i meant they should ONLY warn paladins or myself, no that is not what I meant, the end of the message was because that was just the latest thing they had to fuck with

And I am managing better now still, than you were before, I am sure.

The whole point in case you missed it, is I shouldn't have to spend time every day making sure they didn't change something. I should be able to play the game, not read up on it all the time. It isn't a fucking book.

[AestheticDeath]

BTW, I have already seen the fossilized raptor, camel and both dungeon drakes on my server, this shit is moving fast.

[TheEschaton]

The camel is just a rep grind, the raptor is just an archaeology grind.

[4a6c1]

All the new mounts.

http://www.shadesofkae.com/2010/12/07/cataclysm-mounts/

[Nieninque]

just because you have 12 druids doesn't mean those of us who play more than one character should stick to one class, and your stupid shit would only make sense if i had been playing for three months, assuming those were the only three characters I play - which they aren't

And because you are stupid enough to infer i meant they should ONLY warn paladins or myself, no that is not what I meant, the end of the message was because that was just the latest thing they had to fuck with

Well, they do let people know (generally) when they are making a change. They put it on a forum where they can inform everyone who needs to know about those changes all in one hit. Often, you can read patch notes whilst you are updating the game within the launcher. See where I am going here..?


And I am managing better now still, than you were before, I am sure.
If by "Managing" you mean "Benefitting from coding that meant that paladins were easier to play than druids", then yes, I'm sure you are managing supremely.


The whole point in case you missed it, is I shouldn't have to spend time every day making sure they didn't change something. I should be able to play the game, not read up on it all the time. It isn't a fucking book.
Fuck off and play the SIMS or something. You should most definitely read up on things in this game, or stfu when you realise something has changed and you need to play the game differently but didnt know because your retarded/lazy arse couldnt be bothered to read up on it. You dont have to do that every day, but you should probably make a point of doing it WHEN THERE'S A FUCKING PATCH.

[AnticorRifling]

just because you have 12 druids doesn't mean those of us who play more than one character should stick to one class, and your stupid shit would only make sense if i had been playing for three months, assuming those were the only three characters I play - which they aren't

And because you are stupid enough to infer i meant they should ONLY warn paladins or myself, no that is not what I meant, the end of the message was because that was just the latest thing they had to fuck with

And I am managing better now still, than you were before, I am sure.

The whole point in case you missed it, is I shouldn't have to spend time every day making sure they didn't change something. I should be able to play the game, not read up on it all the time. It isn't a fucking book.

Not to be one of those guys that says well back in the day it was harder but yeah back in the day when things like a real shot rotation and not clipping auto shot meant the difference between awesome dps and being a turd Saia was awesome dps. (That's a hunter not 12 druids). As a resto druid who healed full clear BWL clears I'm going to say you don't know the first thing about mana management, healing rotations, why is overheal bad, what do you mean don't clip your HoTs, etc.

I'm going to hang on Nien's british nuts here and say she'll always be a much better player, but that's based only on the fact that I've seen her in action and I've seen the questions you ask and the advice you ignore.

[g++]

This is mostly to Dora,

Was reading up on what good holy paladins around the water cooler have been saying about the changes. Apparently the new dominant strategy is to cast holy light/flash as little as possible. You wait till the tank has soaked ~30k and divine light him with beacon up for your bonus holy power. When you get 3 stacks you lod the melee which funnels the lod onto the tank. Try not to ever use word of glory/holy light/flash unless you absolutely have too situationally and judge and holy shock on every cooldown. So thats pretty much what the people I tend to copy seem to be doing.

Not to say if a dps is soaking some damage and you can heal it with holy light not too but if you can heal it with a lod and also hit the tank or another dps that seems to still be the best way even with the 40% nerf.

[Liagala]

This is mostly to Dora,

Was reading up on what good holy paladins around the water cooler have been saying about the changes. Apparently the new dominant strategy is to cast holy light/flash as little as possible. You wait till the tank has soaked ~30k and divine light him with beacon up for your bonus holy power. When you get 3 stacks you lod the melee which funnels the lod onto the tank. Try not to ever use word of glory/holy light/flash unless you absolutely have too situationally and judge and holy shock on every cooldown. So thats pretty much what the people I tend to copy seem to be doing.

Not to say if a dps is soaking some damage and you can heal it with holy light not too but if you can heal it with a lod and also hit the tank or another dps that seems to still be the best way even with the 40% nerf.
I was doing the divine light thing, but mostly ignoring LoD. I've been using WoG like it's going out of style and/or spamming holy light on dps, but I think that's because I'm running dungeons with mostly pugs and they like to frolic in fire at every opportunity. It just didn't seem like the smaller heals from LoD would do any good. That will likely change as people get more competent.

Flash is really starting to annoy me. It was my favorite spell in Wrath, but now it seems like every time I hit that button, even if it's just once, I'm OOM 3 seconds later. I still get panicky when someone gets low though, and don't want to take the time to cast a longer divine light.

[g++]

The idea isnt really for LoD to singularly heal all the dps, its that it will perform two tasks at once because if you hit 2-3 dps the funnel effect from beacon should do as much healing to the tank as WoG would have done anyway. So its like a good LOD will WoG the tank and as a bonus hit a bunch of heals on the dps for free. Thats the idea at least.So to conserve mana let the dps sit at 70% and try to hit them with LOD when their standing together is the general idea. Obviously in practice thats not always going to work.

[4a6c1]

lol @ frolic in fire.

[AestheticDeath]

Well, they do let people know (generally) when they are making a change. They put it on a forum where they can inform everyone who needs to know about those changes all in one hit. Often, you can read patch notes whilst you are updating the game within the launcher. See where I am going here..?


If by "Managing" you mean "Benefitting from coding that meant that paladins were easier to play than druids", then yes, I'm sure you are managing supremely.


Fuck off and play the SIMS or something. You should most definitely read up on things in this game, or stfu when you realise something has changed and you need to play the game differently but didnt know because your retarded/lazy arse couldnt be bothered to read up on it. You dont have to do that every day, but you should probably make a point of doing it WHEN THERE'S A FUCKING PATCH.

1) Thanks for repeating the obvious, I will repeat what I said before, and that is I would prefer any dramatic changes to play style be posted in game - even if it is just a hey, your spell was totally changed - go read up on the how and why.

2) They weren't any easier to play, in fact I would say they were harder if they were any different at all. Druids just fucking spam a couple hots, and maybe the big heal? Big whoop. Just because one of our spells was almost free of mana cost (and still is) doesn't mean they were easier.

3) So you are saying you cannot even begin to play the game, and figure out a fight on your own? You HAVE to go and read up on how the best players did it first? I see.

Not to be one of those guys that says well back in the day it was harder but yeah back in the day when things like a real shot rotation and not clipping auto shot meant the difference between awesome dps and being a turd Saia was awesome dps. (That's a hunter not 12 druids). As a resto druid who healed full clear BWL clears I'm going to say you don't know the first thing about mana management, healing rotations, why is overheal bad, what do you mean don't clip your HoTs, etc.

I'm going to hang on Nien's british nuts here and say she'll always be a much better player, but that's based only on the fact that I've seen her in action and I've seen the questions you ask and the advice you ignore.

hah, ok fine, she has had something other than a druid, HER flavor of the month changed eh? then she got stuck on druids... how many does she have? For some reason I seem to recall armorying more than one druid a while back, that were all hers.

As far as her being a better player, you are obviously basing things off the words from PC, not my playing ability. Which is why you are wrong. :P


we just started heroics last night and we're just squeeking by to get the item level needed to queue for them. I think if we pull a few more rep pieces we'll be good to go for the pounding they're throwing out.


Heroics require a decent level of gear + skill + smarts. I'm now getting to a more bearable stage, but at first it was a fucking nightmare. No kidding.

I see comments like that, and figure you guys are having more trouble than I am. As I think I said before, I have been leveling slowly, as I mess around on more than one guy at a time, and devote a lot of time to leveling my professions BS and JC among them, so I spent a shit load of time just farming ore instead of leveling. But anyways I finally got my paladin to 85, didn't have 329 i needed to get into heroics, so I spent my honor and justice points on 4 pieces of gear to get to exactly 329, and entered into some heroics. Did SFK, which I hadn't seen before, and halls of origination which I also hadn't seen on normal mode.

Pretty sure if I can go in there and heal a group in the minimum level of gear required to get in(2 pvp pieces), I don't suck quite as much as you seem to think. And yes, I realize almost everyone else does the same thing, so it is nothing special. But I am not the wipefest you make me out to be just because I ask a lot of stupid questions.

[subzero]

didn't have 329 i needed to get into heroics.

I'm just glad they don't have minimum ilevel requirements for quests. My shaman has just begun a most painful trek from 80 to 85 in leet, average ilevel 149 (aka level 70) gear.

[AestheticDeath]

@ lia and Gplusplus

If you want to know what a bad paladin does.. Oh you don't? Well, I will share anyways.

I took flash of light off my bound buttons. I never use it anymore. I so far have rarely need a quick, large heal often enough to warrant using it. Normally if I need something BIG, and fast, IE tank drops if he doesn't get a good heal off. I either lay on hands, or if it isn't up I use whatever else is available that is instant. Holy radiance, holy shock, light of dawn, or word of glory.

If I use lay on hands, I try and use it on someone other than the person who is about to die when the opportunity presents itself. Anyone 30k+ under max. It will top them off, and give the tank 50k+ heal. That is enough to get the tank out of any dangerous spot, and get back to healing with the normal spells you use. And you don't lose focus on someone else that is taking too much dmg as well, and possibly let them drop. Or if you expect the tank to take another big hit soon, go ahead and let him have the whole thing.

If I use the other smaller but instant spells, it usually buys me enough time to get back to divine light and get him to 75% or so.

If you will recall the point isn't necessary to keep everyone at 100% throughout the fight, the first fight in SFK will teach you that real quick if that is what you have been trying to do.

And for a ton of the fights I have been seeing, holy light, though small and slow, normally is enough for the majority of the encounter until something big hits a few people and you need to divine light or something(HR).

I do tend to use the strategy salv mentioned as well, at least 3/4 of it. Basically replacing holy light with divine, at least on the tank to get holy power. Holy shock everyone else. But I still tend to use WOG instead of LoD. I usually have two ranged and one melee. Not sure how it works out that way so much. And the fucking ranged normally stand on opposite sides of the tank, as far from boss as possible. LoD doesn't really gain me much if anything, and I have to aim it, be close etc. I took the talents to get 40 yd judgement, and I love it.

Also divine is only .9 seconds longer than flash, and if that second makes or breaks things, something else was probably going wrong. And with divine you get a spell that has a base heal as big as flashs crit, and only costs 700 more mana.


My biggest/most common mistake right now is seeing grid show 30k + loss of health, and immediately going for divine light. Most of the time a big expensive heal isn't needed, and I try to use holy light more when I think about it. It isn't much, but every time you can do that, you save 700 mana.

[AestheticDeath]

I'm just glad they don't have minimum ilevel requirements for quests. My shaman has just begun a most painful trek from 80 to 85 in leet, average ilevel 149 (aka level 70) gear.

My mage is having to do the same thing. He was 73 or something when I decided to pick him back up, and his gear wasn't even that good. But I was able to send him a couple decent new greens itm lvl 278, and it makes a big big difference. I went from 15k/15k or so health and mana, to 30k/30k+ in a couple hours, more than doubled spell power etc.. Just from greens, few from my other guys drops and the rest from quests. He actually blows through quests easier/faster than my itm lvl 264 ICC geared DK does. I am sure that could change once they are both at the 83 mark though.

OH - and if you are actually having trouble, or can't get into greens or whatever. Drop questing/instancing etc. And go do archeology. Unless they have changed it, its super easy and fast, and you get great exp from it. Better off doing archeology before 85 if you are going to do it at all, and reap the exp rewards. Wish I had done this on my paladin.

[Nieninque]

1) Thanks for repeating the obvious, I will repeat what I said before, and that is I would prefer any dramatic changes to play style be posted in game - even if it is just a hey, your spell was totally changed - go read up on the how and why.

They do that. The game anounces that it is downloading a patch when you try and log in. That's your cue to stop being a retard/lazy fucker/both and go read up on the changes, or QQ some more.


2) They weren't any easier to play, in fact I would say they were harder if they were any different at all. Druids just fucking spam a couple hots, and maybe the big heal? Big whoop. Just because one of our spells was almost free of mana cost (and still is) doesn't mean they were easier.

ROFL...and still the gems pour out.

3) So you are saying you cannot even begin to play the game, and figure out a fight on your own? You HAVE to go and read up on how the best players did it first? I see.[/quote]

What the fuck are you talking about? We are talking about changes to the game. We are talking about reading up on those changes on the wow forums. The past-time you were objecting to. Where did anyone even talk about reading other people's strats for fights?


hah, ok fine, she has had something other than a druid, HER flavor of the month changed eh? then she got stuck on druids... how many does she have? For some reason I seem to recall armorying more than one druid a while back, that were all hers.

Druids have been my main since getting bored with my main at the time (which was a shaman) at level 40 back in early 2005. I rolled up a hunter after my druid hit 60 and at the time, druids were pretty weak all round. Aside from the time spent playing the hunter - probably a 6 month period, my main has been my druid (in various incarnations) and they have rarely been FOTM.

For the record, I currently have two druids, one hordeside which I rarely play and my main.


As far as her being a better player, you are obviously basing things off the words from PC, not my playing ability. Which is why you are wrong. :P

There are many of us that would say the two are fairly closely related. Also pretty sure you played with g++ at some point? That worked out well.


I see comments like that, and figure you guys are having more trouble than I am.

Clearly me and Wayne and the rest of the player base of Wow have been having more problems that you.


As I think I said before, I have been leveling slowly, as I mess around on more than one guy at a time, and devote a lot of time to leveling my professions BS and JC among them, so I spent a shit load of time just farming ore instead of leveling. But anyways I finally got my paladin to 85, didn't have 329 i needed to get into heroics, so I spent my honor and justice points on 4 pieces of gear to get to exactly 329, and entered into some heroics. Did SFK, which I hadn't seen before, and halls of origination which I also hadn't seen on normal mode.

Pretty sure if I can go in there and heal a group in the minimum level of gear required to get in(2 pvp pieces), I don't suck quite as much as you seem to think. And yes, I realize almost everyone else does the same thing, so it is nothing special. But I am not the wipefest you make me out to be just because I ask a lot of stupid questions.

Umm...nothing to do with the fact that paladins are facerollers? All skill. You are teh 1337 meng.

[AestheticDeath]

I welcome you to roll up a paladin and heal some cata heroics, if you can still say they are facerollers compared to your druid, I will be amazed.

My heroics were after the last change which was meant to bring them in line, nerfing two spells, and I still had no problems.



There are many of us that would say the two are fairly closely related. Also pretty sure you played with g++ at some point? That worked out well.
yes, we played up till like lvl 40 or something? wasnt long, most of it was his alt and me following his mage while his 70 killed things for us. He had no chance to see what I do in game really, especially as it was my first character. I do recall however, at the early questing levels, where we had a quest to kill a boss mob, who had two pats with him. We couldn't do it together because of the way he was doing it, I said do it this way, he said no. The next day I went and soloed it my way. So blab all ya want.

[subzero]

OH - and if you are actually having trouble, or can't get into greens or whatever. Drop questing/instancing etc. And go do archeology. Unless they have changed it, its super easy and fast, and you get great exp from it. Better off doing archeology before 85 if you are going to do it at all, and reap the exp rewards. Wish I had done this on my paladin.

It was brutal starting off, but it's not been bad after picking up just a few items. Was ending pretty much all 1v1 fights at 40-50% health or worse initially. Biggest need as enhance was to get rid of those stupid bird-wing lookin things I was using for weapons. Things are rolling along much better now.

[g++]

yes, we played up till like lvl 40 or something? wasnt long, most of it was his alt and me following his mage while his 70 killed things for us. He had no chance to see what I do in game really, especially as it was my first character. I do recall however, at the early questing levels, where we had a quest to kill a boss mob, who had two pats with him. We couldn't do it together because of the way he was doing it, I said do it this way, he said no. The next day I went and soloed it my way. So blab all ya want.

I mean I could go on a rant about this that would be like 9 pages long but it would really just give you an exuse to make more posts so I wont.

[Nieninque]

I welcome you to roll up a paladin and heal some cata heroics, if you can still say they are facerollers compared to your druid, I will be amazed.

My heroics were after the last change which was meant to bring them in line, nerfing two spells, and I still had no problems.


Because they still didnt nerf them as far back as druids or priests start from.

[AestheticDeath]

I mean I could go on a rant about this that would be like 9 pages long but it would really just give you an exuse to make more posts so I wont.
That much over one encounter? Wow. I assume you actually recall the thing in question?


Because they still didnt nerf them as far back as druids or priests start from.

How so? Put some numbers up.

[TheEschaton]

Roll a priest, and heal some heroics at exactly 329 gearscore, tell me how that works out for you.

I mean I'm bad at (priest) healing, but I have an inkling that I'm 40583946 times better than you. Gratz on doing well on the most OP healing class there is right now.

-TheE-

[Parkbandit]

Roll a priest, and heal some heroics at exactly 329 gearscore, tell me how that works out for you.

I mean I'm bad at (priest) healing, but I have an inkling that I'm 40583946 times better than you. Gratz on doing well on the most OP healing class there is right now.

-TheE-

I agree.

TheE is also bad at paladin healing, shaman healing and druid healing.

[TheEschaton]

I was pretty good at druid and shaman healing, of course, I've never raided on either though.

[g++]

That much over one encounter? Wow. I assume you actually recall the thing in question?

No I remember you being you. I dont remember the particular quest.

[Alfster]

I can't figure out if A.D. is an amazing troll, or just really really bad.

I'd like to believe he's a troll. I just can't.

[4a6c1]

No way mon. Notta troll mon.

[4a6c1]

OMG BELF?!

yes/no/maybe

circle one

[AnticorRifling]

Roll a priest, and heal some heroics at exactly 329 gearscore, tell me how that works out for you.

I mean I'm bad at (priest) healing, but I have an inkling that I'm 40583946 times better than you. Gratz on doing well on the most OP healing class there is right now.

-TheE-

The hot fix to bring paladins back to reality also gave priests some love. Buddy of mine at work plays a priest and said it's a night and day difference healing now compared to about a week ago.

That being said I'd like to start looking at raid content the first or second week after the new year. Let people who are interested know they need to get their rep loots, craftables, heroic gear in order so we can make a decent go at it.

[g++]

Wayne you're free to log my characters in and grind tabard rep with retards anytime just let me know when you want to get that done.

[AnticorRifling]

Lol I've got my own retards to rep grind with.

I don't think we need to be 346+ in every slot before we say we're heading in. We're good enough as a group that it's not needed but it is nice to have a bit of breathing room, especially on new content.

[g++]

We should try tol barad this week imo. People need to start getting familiar with it anyway since its a major source of welfare epics and the only people in our guild who even seem faintly aware the place exists are me maz and E

[Parkbandit]

We should try tol barad this week imo. People need to start getting familiar with it anyway since its a major source of welfare epics and the only people in our guild who even seem faintly aware the place exists are me maz and E

Is this the same dream where you tell me to repeatedly put down totems?

I love that story....

[TheEschaton]

I would settle for you keeping earth shield on the tank when you heal. ;)

[TheEschaton]

Or bloodlusting at a proper time.

[g++]

First...you totally did forget to drop tremor totem over and over for an entire instance and it was a complete pain in the fucking ass because I was healing in quest greens and was eating 20 seconds fears. You actually apologized like a dozen times. The fact that you cant remember just means your very old.

Second...

From winning a battle you get 250 reputation with Hellscream's Reach or Baradin's Wardens. You also get 3x Tol Barad Commendation. It also opens up 12 additional dailies you can get rep and commendations with. At exalted with hellscream reach you get an epic trinket that blows away anything you can get short of raiding and a heroic level main hand at revered. If we want to be gearing up doing every tol barad is a good strategy.

Also the raid that unlocks drops tier gear and all it requires is two competant tank 3 competant healers and 5 dps over 10k, we have that and should start collecting our free epics

[Parkbandit]

I would settle for you keeping earth shield on the tank when you heal. ;)

Actually, unless I'm oom, earthshield is always on the tank. It's an easy spell to keep up as well as I have an addon to let me know when it falls off.

[Parkbandit]

First...you totally did forget to drop tremor totem over and over for an entire instance and it was a complete pain in the fucking ass because I was healing in quest greens and was eating 20 seconds fears. You actually apologized like a dozen times. The fact that you cant remember just means your very old.

See, now I know you are full of shit. When have you ever heard me apologize to you for anything?

And if I didn't put a fear totem down, it's because I didn't know that particular fight. Once I'm feared the first time, I simply switch my totem drop and it is put down. Now.. if you had made up a story about how I was putting down a fear totem instead of stoneskin, then I would likely believe it.

And for the LOVE OF GOD, can you really not remember when to use "your" and "you're"? If you really can't, I would rather you just type in Internetzwebspeak and just type "ur". At least it's a semi-defensible position.



Second...

From winning a battle you get 250 reputation with Hellscream's Reach or Baradin's Wardens. You also get 3x Tol Barad Commendation. It also opens up 12 additional dailies you can get rep and commendations with. At exalted with hellscream reach you get an epic trinket that blows away anything you can get short of raiding and a heroic level main hand at revered. If we want to be gearing up doing every tol barad is a good strategy.

Also the raid that unlocks drops tier gear and all it requires is two competant tank 3 competant healers and 5 dps over 10k, we have that and should start collecting our free epics

Well, you said for the exception of you, Arguendo and Maz, no one else knows it even exists. That was proven false by me bringing it up last night.. asking you how you liked it.

I'm all for doing Tol Barad. I loved the rewards from WG and did it pretty religiously. I'd rather do that than a pug heroic anyday.

[AnticorRifling]

That's the best part about our heroics we give each other so much shit regardless of facts. It's even better when someone strokes out because of it.

NO FUCK YOU WHATEVER YOURE WRONG!

[g++]

See, now I know you are full of shit. When have you ever heard me apologize to you for anything?

And if I didn't put a fear totem down, it's because I didn't know that particular fight. Once I'm feared the first time, I simply switch my totem drop and it is put down. Now.. if you had made up a story about how I was putting down a fear totem instead of stoneskin, then I would likely believe it.

And for the LOVE OF GOD, can you really not remember when to use "your" and "you're"? If you really can't, I would rather you just type in Internetzwebspeak and just type "ur". At least it's a semi-defensible position.



Well, you said for the exception of you, Arguendo and Maz, no one else knows it even exists. That was proven false by me bringing it up last night.. asking you how you liked it.

I'm all for doing Tol Barad. I loved the rewards from WG and did it pretty religiously. I'd rather do that than a pug heroic anyday.

Well your just rude :)

[Keller]

Wayne you're free to log my characters in and grind tabard rep with retards anytime just let me know when you want to get that done.

For that matter, Wayne, if you want to level a Worgan priest from 61-?? while I am afk for the holidays, just let me know!

Guild name is <Lycan Worgasms>, how can you not want to play now?

[Parkbandit]

That's the best part about our heroics we give each other so much shit regardless of facts. It's even better when someone strokes out because of it.

NO FUCK YOU WHATEVER YOURE WRONG!

Meatpotato is still the best... he gets so angry!

Yesterday was hilarious... he's all "HOLY SHIT STOP STANDING IN FUCKING SHIT THAT IS KILLING YOU" and a quick glance at the damage taken meter shows Meatpotato #2, just behind the tank in rolling in fire. Then he tries to blame it on the tank, except that Skada actually breaks it down into what damaged you.

And when you try and point it out in a helping type of manner (which is how I like to give all my criticism, btw) you can actually hear his aorta enlarging over vent

[TheEschaton]

You mean constricting, dumbass. ;)

Yeah, heroic Corborus just kicked my ass. I think it'd be easier with guildies, because my DPS 1) wasn't AOEing the crystals as soon as they landed, which turn into mines on heroic, and 2) they weren't stacking on me so I could pick up the damn shale spiders in p2.

Plus, the healer said I took a shitton of damage, which may be true because I hit 329 and immediately queued for a random and got that one.

[g++]

I like how he gets in vent and is all excited about doing a heroic and then like 5 minutes later when the groups assembled and you zone in he instantly changes to the most depressed man in the universe. Hes like oh man this instance is so hard and you guys are bad this is going to suck so bad. IT WAS YOUR IDEA? wtf man. lol

[g++]

Well maybe Tol Barad dailies arent entirely awful.



http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/x387/pjaaay1/WoWScrnShot_122010_184253.jpg

[Parkbandit]

Well maybe Tol Barad dailies arent entirely awful.



http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/x387/pjaaay1/WoWScrnShot_122010_184253.jpg

Well shit.. I was just going to mine today to get from 500-525 engineering.. now it looks like I have to do these.

[g++]

If you're actually in game see if we still have tol barad and maybe put a guild note about trying the raid tonight at 6? I mean I think its about time honestly and if we own Tol Barad now barring a miracle we should own it tonight as well.

[Nieninque]

Well maybe Tol Barad dailies arent entirely awful.



http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/x387/pjaaay1/WoWScrnShot_122010_184253.jpg

What a little bitch. Please dont leave him alone.

[g++]

Funny thing is I was not even griefing him. He literally keyboard turned his way up to me and melee'd me first. Hes a warrior btw and did not charge. So I killed him in like 4 globals never pulled a shield or used any non-face roll ability then he proceded to run back at me 4 times while I was questing and I killed him every time. I think my elemental could kill him honestly. Then I had to leave because three badge program showed up in a raid. Just by sheer luck when I went invisible to the next quest area there he was again. After I killed him that time he logs on a horde toon to ask me to stop? I guess both sides have their special players.

[TheEschaton]

I'm pretty sure we'll one shot Argaloth. Let's do it.

[Parkbandit]

I won't be on until very late.. and even then probably not in any condition to do a raid for the first time.

Tonight is our "Beer Mitzvah"

[g++]

Hear that guys? Our chances of downing this raid boss just increased 10 fold.

[AnticorRifling]

Hear that guys? Our chances of downing this raid boss just increased 10 fold.

So if we each loot the boss and get 10g how much does the guild bank get? Like 600% right?

[Some Rogue]

Well since there are only like 5 people in the guild that really matter...it's like 20g.

[Parkbandit]

Well since there are only like 5 people in the guild that really matter...it's like 20g.

:rofl:

Really?

Who are the 5?

[AnticorRifling]

Duh clearly he means those that don't have Recruit in their title....recruit bayne.



Also I should be on for this, going to a basketball game at 6 but I should be on around 830p-9p Let's see if we can't field a 10man and go do this. We do need to set down 1 rule though.....Tort is not allowed to explain the fight. We don't want to sit there for six hours while he goes over how the mob's shadow is slightly to the left when it's facing North on phase 1.6.3.

[Parkbandit]

Duh clearly he means those that don't have Recruit in their title....recruit bayne.



I don't do dailies... blech.

[TheEschaton]

Duh clearly he means those that don't have Recruit in their title....recruit bayne.



Also I should be on for this, going to a basketball game at 6 but I should be on around 830p-9p Let's see if we can't field a 10man and go do this. We do need to set down 1 rule though.....Tort is not allowed to explain the fight. We don't want to sit there for six hours while he goes over how the mob's shadow is slightly to the left when it's facing North on phase 1.6.3.

Well, I'm the only one who seems to know the fight, and Salv and I are the only one with 10 man Ulduar drakes, and he got his before he transferred to HoR. How'd me not explaining the fights work out for you?!?

[AnticorRifling]

All I'm hearing is you got carried by GiG :)

[Some Rogue]

MY PENIS IS SO BIG. I EXCELLED AT A VIDEO GAME 6 MONTHS AFTER I OUTGEARED IT. BOW BEFORE ME.

[TheEschaton]

Then ask why Nekk doesn't have his Ulduar drake, eh, eh?!? Out of the 25 who raided our 25s, I was asked to go up and above for our 10 man drakes, mmmmmmmmmhmmmm.

Plus spriests before haste affected DoTs were basically only a replenishment buff.

[Some Rogue]

lololol


Asked to...I didn't bother gunning for those achievements and never even attempted them. They knew I didn't give a shit perhaps? Shit, they knew I didn't even want the 25 man ones and got pissed when we wiped for hours trying to get them.

[AnticorRifling]

Urgent maintenance, realms should be up by 2pm EST. Damnit I wan't to be unproductive today.

[Nieninque]

Then ask why Nekk doesn't have his Ulduar drake, eh, eh?!? Out of the 25 who raided our 25s, I was asked to go up and above for our 10 man drakes, mmmmmmmmmhmmmm.



This is quite possibly the gayest post ever.

[Parkbandit]

Then ask why Nekk doesn't have his Ulduar drake, eh, eh?!? Out of the 25 who raided our 25s, I was asked to go up and above for our 10 man drakes, mmmmmmmmmhmmmm.

Plus spriests before haste affected DoTs were basically only a replenishment buff.

Whaaat? You sure it wasn't "Fuck.. we need 10 people and only have 9.. ask anyone you know, I don't even care how good they are because we are in 264 gear and Ulduar drops 219 stuff"?

[AnticorRifling]

You guys are missing the point....I can't play at work and I don't want to do this stupid spec/mod documentation for this software change AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHGH RHGHRWH

[g++]

Well I hope no one liked their arena teams because apparently the maintenance is to reset the entire arena season since the rating system was fubar.

[AnticorRifling]

Ouch that sucks.

[Some Rogue]

PWND!!!!!!!!!!

[Some Rogue]

The game is up right now, btw.

[g++]

Any of you have alchemy/enchanting on the same toon so we can get some maelstrom crystals?

[AnticorRifling]

I don't have an alch anymore since I rerolled Captkangaroo so I'm no help.

[4a6c1]

I really love flying all over Northrend. :D

[Parkbandit]

Any of you have alchemy/enchanting on the same toon so we can get some maelstrom crystals?

Is that the only way to get them? If so, that sucks alot. I can drop Declare's other profession and pick up alchemy if that is the case.

[Alfster]

I'm guessing they'll close that loophole and hotfix your ability to do that.

[g++]

Is that the only way to get them? If so, that sucks alot. I can drop Declare's other profession and pick up alchemy if that is the case.

Well, there are other ways this is just the easiest craftable epic in the game to make at the moment. Its not worth re-doing a character.

Also

http://video.adultswim.com/tim-and-eric-awesome-show-great-job/pest-control-prank-call.html

Enjoy

[Alfster]

Either you suck at wrapping things up, or you bought too much.

... Today for some reason I decided to log into wow. I thought, what should I do? A random might be fun, except randoms take like over an hour now...

The game seems to require too much effort to get what used to be small simple things done. I mean do you get excited when you think about running a 7 boss dungeon with four other people who probably don't know what the hell they are doing? What happened to three? Seriously it isn't a raid.

I nearly missed this gem in another thread.

[subzero]

Guess someone never did Strat, Scholo, etc when you could, and almost needed, to take a raid group into them. Three-four hour LBRS runs to get one person Onyxia keyed because the fucking docs spawned in the location at the end of the damn instance. BRD took so long that after six years, I don't think I've ever done a complete clear and do everything in my power to utterly avoid that shithole.

Oh how I learned to absolutely hate five mans. Wrath instances, however, were a joke. The hour, hour and a half instance runs of today are good in my book.

In an unrelated rant, what pisses me off is how they're doing tier gear. I didn't like it in Wrath that you had to have badges along with the tokens and now you have to have the specific points-piece in order to upgrade via raid drop. That is some pretty lame shit, in my book. I'm sure it's because towards the end of things, people end up with quite an excess of badges/points, but I don't give a damn. I've hated doing 5s for a long time and I was never a big fan of the badge thing to begin with. So here's a big DX-style "Suck it!" for Blizzard's tier gear and badge/point system!

[AnticorRifling]

I don't mind it. I don't like pugging the heroics though because it's rare your going to finish one. At the current gear levels you can't just run and gun and people still don't get that.

I do like running heroics with the guild. I do look forward to raiding right after the holidays. I don't know which toon I want to make my main now .... I've always been one of those guys that focuses on a character and says F the alts Vanilla I was all about the druid, BC I was all about the paladin, Wrath it was DK. Now here we are in Cata and I don't know if I want to keep on the DK, which I still enjoy, or the druid, which I also enjoy. Fuck shit decurse someone needs to tell me what to do.

[Liagala]

Fuck shit decurse someone needs to tell me what to do.
We really do need to figure out who's doing what in terms of raid group setup. Everyone's been saying, "Play what you enjoy." That's all well and good, but when we show up on the first raid night with 4 mages, 5 hunters and a priest, it's not going to go very well. I'll still be the dps/healer switch person if we need, even if it does get stupidly expensive in flask consumption. I don't fail anywhere near as much at healing anymore, and it looks like some changes are coming that'll make my dps less RNG-dependent. I did 9600 on a heroic boss last night while dodging damage, then got to a dummy and couldn't break 7k for love or money. Something's wrong with that picture (lock and a rogue as the other dps in that group, so the difference wasn't buffs).

[Parkbandit]

Looks like with Meatpotato and Salvlol, we have the healing we need, so I'll go elemental on Bayne.

[Liagala]

Looks like with Meatpotato and Salvlol, we have the healing we need, so I'll go elemental on Bayne.
Is Meatpotato healing or tanking? I know Rennoc's back and forth on whether he wants to tank with Rennoc or dps with Nekk.

[Parkbandit]

Is Meatpotato healing or tanking? I know Rennoc's back and forth on whether he wants to tank with Rennoc or dps with Nekk.

Last I heard, healing. But that was also before he leveled up Chaincreep and 'decimated' an alliance on his OP warlock... so who knows.

Maz seems to be playing regularly lately, but the kid will pop today last I heard so no idea how much he will be on for a few months.

[AnticorRifling]

Yeah they are at the hospital right now waiting on the kid to be born.

On Anticor I've got resto/tank and on Dachcow I've got melee DPS/Tank so I'll cover whatever we need there doesn't matter to me I just want to make sure people are playing what they want to play and not getting pigeon holed into a role because that's what they did last xpack.

[Liagala]

I'll cover whatever we need there doesn't matter to me I just want to make sure people are playing what they want to play and not getting pigeon holed into a role because that's what they did last xpack.
So you've made sure that we can play whatever we want, and then stick you in whatever role is left. You fail at selfish.

As a side note, I want to try healing a heroic, but I demand a full guild group, one of the easier heroics, and Salv being there in case I fail. i r skurred.

[AnticorRifling]

So you've made sure that we can play whatever we want, and then stick you in whatever role is left. You fail at selfish.

As a side note, I want to try healing a heroic, but I demand a full guild group, one of the easier heroics, and Salv being there in case I fail. i r skurred.

I love playing the DK and the druid so it doesn't matter to me at all as long as phat loot floweth.

[g++]

Eh heroics get easier every day and the rep/crafting epics are starting to roll in. Time to raid something imo. We should do Tol Barad tonight.

[AnticorRifling]

Assuming we can win....

[g++]

Well I dont see any way we can win an offensive battle in Tol Barad without at least one montage. It may even take two and some step running at the Jefferson memorial.

[TheEschaton]

I can't believe the Alliance won with 30 seconds last night. We had 10 people and were ready to go and everything. I blame PB.

[g++]

We won again last night. It seems like Horde is win trading for honor at this point. In trade chat people were advocating for losing defensive battles as much as possible so everyone can get vengful glad gear.

[Nieninque]

Tol Barad just became the most ridiculous thing in the game since Soutalgon.

Fucking wanky win-trading fuckpigs.

[AnticorRifling]

That's saying a lot because he was an absolute fail boat covered in retard douche cream.

[Some Rogue]

Considering how biased it is towards the defending team, big fucking deal. If it was actually a fair fight, it would be stupid..sure. But it's not and anyone that's set foot in there can see that.

[Nieninque]

Considering how biased it is towards the defending team, big fucking deal. If it was actually a fair fight, it would be stupid..sure. But it's not and anyone that's set foot in there can see that.

Absolutely, but instead of making it a fair fight, they give incentives to a bunch of cheese eating surrender monkeys to swap wins.
Wank.

[Parkbandit]

Absolutely, but instead of making it a fair fight, they give incentives to a bunch of cheese eating surrender monkeys to swap wins.
Wank.

Exactly what I was saying last night. It's in both side's interest to lose while defending, so that they can get 10x the honor by winning the next battle. Even if you lose 9x in a row, you will make more honor by winning 1 out of 10, than 9 defenses.

It's dumb. Their "fix" is dumb. Scrap the game and start it with different rules.

[Stanley Burrell]

Posts 2-22 = :thumbup:

[Liagala]

http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee346/None1414/Heals.jpg

I'm kind of a big deal.

[4a6c1]

garts.

[TheEschaton]

You did good.

(better than Bayne does, actually.)

WUT?!?

[AnticorRifling]

http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee346/None1414/Heals.jpg

I'm kind of a big deal.

Until a real healer signs off I wouldn't get too excited.

[Parkbandit]

You did good.

(better than Bayne does, actually.)

WUT?!?

Thank god.. now I can come as elemental!

[Some Rogue]

Until a real healer signs off I wouldn't get too excited.

So we're gonna get someone from another guild to sign off on this then?

[NocturnalRob]

Finally, a product for all those fitness-oriented WoW players!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62wj8eJ0FHw

[Some Rogue]

All 2 of them?

[AestheticDeath]

Finally do a heroic? No one died? Grats!

[TheEschaton]

You're on Shadowburn, AD?

[AestheticDeath]

http://forum.gsplayers.com/images/reputation/reputation_neg.gif UGH 12-29-2010 06:28 PM I hope you get cancer

for offering congratulations? damn

@ theE, it is shadowsong for the moment

I have not had much time to play with recent events, so anyone have tips for making gold as a blacksmith? I dont have time to gather atm, so its all buying mats/crafting and selling on AH.

So far the ebon belt buckle is doubling my gold, but it is only one item. I have my alchemist making the truegold, but that is also super slow.

My JC is maxed, but nothing so far seems decent with the price of raw gems what they are atm.

My tailor is not maxed yet as I refuse to buy cloth to level it. And my inscription.. is on the back burner for now. But is anyone making bank on that right now? I assume there are new trinkets that should be doing well?

[TheEschaton]

Isn't blacksmithing the epic shields too? I know everyone wants those, shields are always tough to get.

[AestheticDeath]

two epic shields yeah - they are being spammed on my AH by like 5 others, i finally got my third orb, so i will be making one of those next even so

[subzero]

my alchemist... My JC is maxed, but nothing so far seems decent with the price of raw gems what they are atm.

inscription.. is on the back burner for now. But is anyone making bank on that right now? I assume there are new trinkets that should be doing well?

You're doing it wrong. As far as inscription trinkets go, I think their value will be dropping fast since the formerly limited quantity items are no longer so.

[Liagala]

You're doing it wrong.

For once, he isn't. Unless his server is very different from Dunemaul, the green quality gems are going for 15-60g each, depending on color. It's nowhere near worth buying them to transmute. I picked up a bunch to level JC, but if I wasn't trying to rank, I never would have done it.

[AnticorRifling]

l2farm. Just go get ore and prospect it. Hell I've probably got a stack of each color of green quality and close to that in blue quality. You can pull 200 elementium ore in no time, plus the volatiles, random gems, pyrite, etc. I get on the druid and queue up for a random as dps, 30min queue, and just run laps in Twilight Highlands. Thats not inlcuding the herbs I pull while doing laps which just go into the guild bank because I can't use them and I'm not hurting for gold.

Honestly if you're hurting for gold in cata you did something wrong or you bought a bunch of dumb shit.

[RichardCranium]

You obviously missed the part where he refuses to gather. Anything. Ever.

[AnticorRifling]

Yup I missed that. Buying raw materials is going to be rough on your ROI currently. Way too many people trying to skill up so the demand is pacing supply and costs are up. Now depending on price as a BS you could do decent with the blue pvp set I think the bloodied pyrite belts sell for about 150-180g on our server and I don't think the mats are that steep. Again not to sure all I've been doing is gathering, crafting, and dumping in to the Gbank I haven't touched the AH since I don't have need for gold right now.

[NocturnalRob]

I'm not hurting for gold.

since I don't have need for gold right now.
DUDE! You are so super rich in a computer game.

[AnticorRifling]

DUDE! You are so super rich in a computer game.

I know right!! We should probably be facebook pals!

[Alfster]

It all depends on your servers economy. I managed to make a shit ton of gold early on through JC and Alch. I have zero gathering professions and made a ton off my initial 10k investment.

Things have stabled out a ton on my server, and the only two things worth my time now are Truegold and flasks.

[NocturnalRob]

I know right!! We should probably be facebook pals!
OMG YOU WANNA PLAY MAFIA WARS WITH ME?!?!

[Alfster]

For once, he isn't. Unless his server is very different from Dunemaul, the green quality gems are going for 15-60g each, depending on color. It's nowhere near worth buying them to transmute. I picked up a bunch to level JC, but if I wasn't trying to rank, I never would have done it.

Why would you buy them to trasmute?

Greens generally cost more than blues because you'll need the greens to 1) level jewelcrafting and 2) jewelcrafting dailies
Blue's are almost always cheaper.

[SHAFT]

I can say for sure I'm frustrated with trying to get raid quality gear. I play a mage and we need a metric fuck ton of hit to reach hit cap. Waiting in the random heroic queue takes 35-40 minutes and you're lucky if you get grouped with solid players we do not fail. Nothing worse than waiting for 40 minutes to get into a heroic to have the group disband after 5 minutes.

[SHAFT]

You obviously missed the part where he refuses to gather. Anything. Ever.

Even if he did want to start mining ore or any gathering profession, the time to farm for profit has long gone. Obsidium stacks were going for 400g and elementium was 200-300g weeks ago. Now obsidium is at 75-90g and not sure on elementium.

[Liagala]

Why would you buy them to trasmute?

Greens generally cost more than blues because you'll need the greens to 1) level jewelcrafting and 2) jewelcrafting dailies
Blue's are almost always cheaper.
That's what I was saying. Subzero told AD that he's doing it wrong, because AD has an alchemist and complained about the price of gems. Subzero's implication here is that AD should use his alchemist to transmute gems, thus avoiding the AH prices. The only gems an alchemist can transmute are green quality --> blue quality (or meta). This would be pretty silly to do, for the reasons you just listed.

[RichardCranium]

Even if he did want to start mining ore or any gathering profession, the time to farm for profit has long gone. Obsidium stacks were going for 400g and elementium was 200-300g weeks ago. Now obsidium is at 75-90g and not sure on elementium.

AD has mentioned on several occasions that he refuses to farm mats for his other professions.

[AestheticDeath]

l2farm. Just go get ore and prospect it. Hell I've probably got a stack of each color of green quality and close to that in blue quality. You can pull 200 elementium ore in no time, plus the volatiles, random gems, pyrite, etc. I get on the druid and queue up for a random as dps, 30min queue, and just run laps in Twilight Highlands. Thats not inlcuding the herbs I pull while doing laps which just go into the guild bank because I can't use them and I'm not hurting for gold.

Honestly if you're hurting for gold in cata you did something wrong or you bought a bunch of dumb shit.

I farmed the first week it was out. I now have no time to do that, unless I want to forego leveling or advancing any of my characters gear. Gold is the sideline effort, not the main one. I also had stacks of every green/blue quality gem except the purple/orange greens I used to lvl JC. Then I ran out of a lot doing the daily prism thing.

Anyone else semi-pissed they got rid of the possibility of perfect cuts on the three gems used for JC dailies? I was looking forward to using perfect stam cuts as a cheaper alternative on my gear.

[AestheticDeath]

You're doing it wrong. As far as inscription trinkets go, I think their value will be dropping fast since the formerly limited quantity items are no longer so.

I don't have a use for blue quality gems at this point, unless there is something profitable I can craft with them I do not know about.

Green quality gems though, I am using for the JC daily. And there is something that is possibly worth making and DEing for use/profit, but I don't have enough gems to try it atm.



On another note, a guild member told me he was using the increased treasure finding potion to gather more cloth, and had a decent time at it, like 300 cloth in 20 mins? I could totally have those numbers wrong, but what he had said was something I was surprised at with the amount I normally find.

So anyone else tried it yet? And with what results, if so.

[AestheticDeath]

And another stupid question since you all have SO much experience with past expansions etc.

Is it worth saving most of my JC tokens to buy epic gem cuts later instead of wasting them on blue cuts now? How long will it be before the epic gem cuts come out? A few months or what.

ATM my plan was basically buy the four meta cuts I use, which are also the more profitable ones in the AH, and about 6 blue cuts that I use so I don't have to depend on others to make them. Then save for those epic cuts later.. How stupid is that? Will I be wasting a lot of time and potential income by not being able to sell a ton of diff cuts to people?

I spent a bunch of time previously trying to get all the cuts on my JC.. and then not sitting in trade spamming JC LFW - so I don't know how much I would be missing out trying that. I basically just cut anything for guild members, which was zero profit. But I enjoyed being semi useful.

[AnticorRifling]

I farmed the first week it was out. I now have no time to do that, unless I want to forego leveling or advancing any of my characters gear. Gold is the sideline effort, not the main one. I also had stacks of every green/blue quality gem except the purple/orange greens I used to lvl JC. Then I ran out of a lot doing the daily prism thing.

Anyone else semi-pissed they got rid of the possibility of perfect cuts on the three gems used for JC dailies? I was looking forward to using perfect stam cuts as a cheaper alternative on my gear.

It kind of sucks but I don't think I'll be gemming straight stam. Health pools aren't the issue avoidance and mitigation are, I'm guessing haven't actually researched it yet, going to be way more crucial. If I have a blue socket I'll probably toss a stam gem in it but any other color I'm going to look to max my avoidance, mitigation, and threat.

[AestheticDeath]

I am torn on that issue somewhat, but I have not been tanking anything hard enough to make myself go research it fully. I was going to go with what I was doing before until/unless it caused problems.

I was thinking along the lines of stamina gems, and mastery oriented gear. Block over parry/dodge. But I might need to do stam/mastery gems, I doubt I will use many pure mastery though.. I don't know.

edit - not sure what you mean for the threat, I am reforging my dodge/parry into hit/expertise so I don't miss, then if i have excess into mastery, but are you talking about something else? not really worth doing strength gems or anything I thought

[AnticorRifling]

Threat right now is hit/expertise. Later when we are at gear levels that allow us to be hit/expertise capped with acceptable mitigation we'll be afforded the opportunity to gem strength. Depending on how hard your DPS is pushing you might need to be hitting harder to keep the same threat levels you enjoy currently.

Right now for me threat isn't the issue, mitigation is. Doing 10man BH without a flask I sit around 155-160k hit points, deep enough pool for a healer IF I'm not eating every blow to my grill.

[Liagala]

Is it worth saving most of my JC tokens to buy epic gem cuts later instead of wasting them on blue cuts now? How long will it be before the epic gem cuts come out? A few months or what.
I'll probably have some saved up when epic cuts come out, but I'm not worrying about it yet. SR and I are coordinating cuts between our JC toons so that between the two of us, we'll be able to cut whatever we need. Once we get to that point I'll probably stop buying them for a bit, or only buy one when someone needs something we don't have.

[AnticorRifling]

Being the semi-OCD person that I am I'll eventually have every cut.

[Liagala]

Being the semi-OCD person that I am I'll eventually have every cut.
Yeah, I'll be with you. I still do Dal JC dailies to get those cuts (or would, if I wasn't filling my 25 every day on other stuff). I'll just force my OCD into remission for a couple months so I can get epic cuts faster.

[AnticorRifling]

What 25 dailies are you doing? I think I do JC, cooking, fishing, 12 in tol barad and that's it for right now. I know there are achieves for doing deepholm over and over but I'm already exalted there and dragonmaw can wait since I've got a tabard for it and I'm not super excited about their rewards.

[Some Rogue]

On another note, a guild member told me he was using the increased treasure finding potion to gather more cloth, and had a decent time at it, like 300 cloth in 20 mins? I could totally have those numbers wrong, but what he had said was something I was surprised at with the amount I normally find.

So anyone else tried it yet? And with what results, if so.

Yes, I have and it works. I even have the perfect spot for it. I didn't have quite that much cloth, but things were respawning so fast I almost didn't have time to loot.

[Some Rogue]

It kind of sucks but I don't think I'll be gemming straight stam. Health pools aren't the issue avoidance and mitigation are, I'm guessing haven't actually researched it yet, going to be way more crucial. If I have a blue socket I'll probably toss a stam gem in it but any other color I'm going to look to max my avoidance, mitigation, and threat.

When I first started gearing up I was still in the WotLK mindset and was gemming stam but that's completely wrong (for paladins at least). Mastery is where it's at supposedly. They even say it's probably best to reforge your dodge/parry to it since mastery doesn't have the diminishing returns that dodge/parry do. Since I started reforging that way, I am definitely seeing my dodge/block/parry/miss chance jump up quicker.

[AnticorRifling]

Very interesting. What is the paladin tank mastery? I know the DK tank mastery is pretty sexy but I'm not sure if it outweighs dodge/parry.

[AestheticDeath]

I can't see going under 140k HP as tank, but i have no clue what you would get without gems/chants etc with say full 346 gear.

My tank set is still using like the old epics and new greens, and some new dps pieces. I will probably be working on it this week through reg randoms.


Very interesting. What is the paladin tank mastery? I know the DK tank mastery is pretty sexy but I'm not sure if it outweighs dodge/parry.

its block

I dont have much mastery yet, but my gimp tank is at 36% block and 7-8% each on dodge/parry

mastery for block so your healer has less oh shit moments, more steady incoming dmg

[NocturnalRob]

Very interesting. What is the paladin tank mastery? I know the DK tank mastery is pretty sexy but I'm not sure if it outweighs dodge/parry.
So that's a 'no' to Mafia Wars?

[Some Rogue]

Yeah, paladin mastery is block chance. My block is like 45% I think, 12 dodge and 10.5 parry.

[Liagala]

What 25 dailies are you doing? I think I do JC, cooking, fishing, 12 in tol barad and that's it for right now. I know there are achieves for doing deepholm over and over but I'm already exalted there and dragonmaw can wait since I've got a tabard for it and I'm not super excited about their rewards.
I do 6 Dragonmaw, 12 or 15 Tol Barad (back to this in a sec), Pebble and/or Glop if either is available in Deepholm for the achieve, cooking/fishing/JC in Org, and one for the raptor mount out of Un'goro (2 more days of that). If I have extra spots hanging around I do the 2 Ramkahen ones in Uldum or go up to Northrend to finish Oracles. They're my last Wrath faction that isn't exalted.

Tol Barad oddness - I just saw this yesterday, so I don't know if it was just a one-shot oddity or what. I went in from work while we held it, and did the 6 dailies in the middle section. I turned in 3 of them (the ones that give 350 rep - ghosts, the scepter, and the journals), but forgot to turn the other 3 in. Last night, I went back to do the regular ones and turn in the 3 from the morning. When I got there, the guy that I had finished earlier had the other 3 dailies available - demons, the fel puppy with the collar, and shackles. So I ended up with 15 Tol Barad dailies total for the day. I'm trying it again today, we'll see what happens. I think it might be bugged in that losing/gaining control of Tol Barad makes it think you're in a new day, so the dailies open back up again.

[TheEschaton]

each time you win Tol Barad, they can cycle 6 dailies in out of a pool of 18. If you win it 3 times, you get 18 dailies in Tol Barad. AFAIK, it's not a bug.

[Liagala]

each time you win Tol Barad, they can cycle 6 dailies in out of a pool of 18. If you win it 3 times, you get 18 dailies in Tol Barad. AFAIK, it's not a bug.
It's also not guaranteed. I did all 6 of the center dailies from work. Alliance then won, we took it back about 20 mintues ago. No one in here has a daily for me right now. But it's good to know that it can happen, anyway.

[Nieninque]

That one you got the extra ones from has three sets of three. You can, if you are lucky, get all three if you hold TB three times in one day and they offer the different groups.

I hate TB now. Stupid shitty place.

[subzero]

For once, he isn't. Unless his server is very different from Dunemaul, the green quality gems are going for 15-60g each, depending on color. It's nowhere near worth buying them to transmute. I picked up a bunch to level JC, but if I wasn't trying to rank, I never would have done it.

Eh. Gems come from ore. I average more than 1 blue gem per stack, plus all the greens. It's really not that hard to figure it out since cut gems are usually going for 100+ (I try to stick to the 300-400g range where possible, though that obviously is getting tougher as people pick up patterns. Having two JCs helps), which pays for an entire stack of ore. Transmute master alchemist is win (EDIT: last time I went to make 5 shadowspirits, I walked away with 11. That alone is worth transmute spec as I've not really seen the profit in potions or flasks. Most guilds tend to make their own and that will be the case even more-so now due to the guild benefits/achievements/cauldrons).

Yes, he's doing it wrong.

[subzero]

I don't have a use for blue quality gems at this point, unless there is something profitable I can craft with them I do not know about.

...


On another note, a guild member told me he was using the increased treasure finding potion to gather more cloth, and had a decent time at it, like 300 cloth in 20 mins? I could totally have those numbers wrong, but what he had said was something I was surprised at with the amount I normally find.

So anyone else tried it yet? And with what results, if so.

I used a potion once, probably in the worst way possible (while leveling), and got, I think, one box. Best way to use that is going to be at cap farming a high-density area. It seems the drop rate is still fairly low, so you're going to need massive kill totals. Another issue is the price of herbs. As they go down, the potion will be more readily accessible and easier to swallow the cost.


Is it worth saving most of my JC tokens to buy epic gem cuts later instead of wasting them on blue cuts now? How long will it be before the epic gem cuts come out? A few months or what.

They like to change shit up on us now and again, but I wouldn't expect epic gems until the next tier or two at least. If you aren't going to use the tokens for blue cuts to profit from, the chimera's eye (I think thats what they are this time around) for 1 token should sell decently enough.


I don't have a use for blue quality gems at this point, unless there is something profitable I can craft with them I do not know about...

Will I be wasting a lot of time and potential income by not being able to sell a ton of diff cuts to people?

I've long been a fan of raping people on the AH with my profession skills. I have around 450k at the moment between several tailors (fuck you and your BOP dreamcloth!), two JCs, inscription, two transmute alchemists (I don't think I'll be leveling the second one for quite some time, if ever, since he's 68 and would need 75 for cata), an enchanter (thank god for vellums... I have never, nor will I ever, sit in trade selling shit), and a blacksmith (90% of profit from belt buckles, very minor player in the game of gold).

[AestheticDeath]

Eh. Gems come from ore. I average more than 1 blue gem per stack, plus all the greens. It's really not that hard to figure it out since cut gems are usually going for 100+ (I try to stick to the 300-400g range where possible, though that obviously is getting tougher as people pick up patterns. Having two JCs helps), which pays for an entire stack of ore. Transmute master alchemist is win (EDIT: last time I went to make 5 shadowspirits, I walked away with 11. That alone is worth transmute spec as I've not really seen the profit in potions or flasks. Most guilds tend to make their own and that will be the case even more-so now due to the guild benefits/achievements/cauldrons).

Yes, he's doing it wrong.

Which ore are you messing with? I go after greens, which is best to get from obsidium ore?, and I do not come close to one blue gem per stack.

Ore on my server, if I am lucky:

Obsidium stack - 80-100g
Elementium - 140 more often than not, 100-120 if lucky
Pyrium - 250-300? I need to look(I don't buy to prospect - Should I be?)

And my alchemist is transmute master, and I was making metas, before I saw someone else making and selling them for cheaper than I can. So I was buying metas for 200ish gold, and then selling cut ones for 500+. But meta sales are slowing down a lot, and there are tons of people flooding the market atm. I have not looked at it in several days.