Taliban taking over Afghanistan

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Originally Posted by Parkbandit

President Biden inferred that this wouldn't happen... and it did.

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No one's surprised you don't know the difference between inference and implication. Regardless, you and Dreaven not understanding that "unlikely" doesn't equal "impossible" only reflects on you two, and your ignorance of 1) your native language, and 2) of math.

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Originally Posted by Parkbandit

But you concentrate all your entire brain "power" that President Biden didn't say the exact word "impossible"... because that somehow changes everything.

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You concentrate all your entire brain "power" on trying to change history so that Biden said what Dreaven claimed he said... because your wishes somehow change everything.

(Spoiler Alert: Your wishes continue to lack the power to warp and twist history to suit your delusions, much to your obvious dismay).

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Originally Posted by Parkbandit

And make sure that is the hill you defend until the end.

Great job!

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The only one defending anything here would be you white knighting for Dreaven's mistake. Except you did so poorly, because you're Retard Champion Tardbandit.

Great job!

P.S. Be sure to post in your meltdown thread.

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Originally Posted by Solkern

That’s actually a damn good question.

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We traced the call. It turns out it was coming from inside the house all along.

Biden now says US troops might remain in Afghanistan past the withdraw deadline.

LOL

What was even the point of all of this then? Each day I am somehow shocked that Biden is more incompetent than the day before.

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Originally Posted by Tgo01

Biden now says US troops might remain in Afghanistan past the withdraw deadline.

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... to evacuate Americans.

Should we not be doing that?

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Originally Posted by Tgo01

Biden now says US troops might remain in Afghanistan past the withdraw deadline.

LOL

What was even the point of all of this then? Each day I am somehow shocked that Biden is more incompetent than the day before.

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Dreaven: "Biden's abandoning the American citizens in Afghanistan! You should be ashamed for voting for him!"
Also Dreaven: "Biden's saying troops might remain past the deadline to mitigate the things I said! You should be ashamed for voting for him!"

You are, as always, a deluded imbecile, Dreaven.

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Originally Posted by Taernath

... to evacuate Americans.

Should we not be doing that?

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Maybe if Biden weren't so incompetent we would have had them evacuated already. His administration already told Americans trapped in Afghanistan that they can't help them if they aren't in the airport. So US soldiers are just gonna chill at the airport until all Americans make their way there? I'm sure that's gonna go over smoothly with the Taliban.

Since troops are going to stay there anyways then why didn't we just control Kabul until all Americans could make it to the airport? That make too much sense?

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Originally Posted by Tgo01

Maybe if Biden weren't so incompetent we would have had them evacuated already. His administration already told Americans trapped in Afghanistan that they can't help them if they aren't in the airport. So US soldiers are just gonna chill at the airport until all Americans make their way there? I'm sure that's gonna go over smoothly with the Taliban.

Since troops are going to stay there anyways then why didn't we just control Kabul until all Americans could make it to the airport? That make too much sense?

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As was said earlier the evacuation is mostly planned and run by military leadership. These were also the same guys blowing smoke up everyone's asses about how good a job we were doing over there. There should definitely be an investigation into the whole thing once it's over.

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Originally Posted by Taernath

As was said earlier the evacuation is mostly planned and run by military leadership. These were also the same guys blowing smoke up everyone's asses about how good a job we were doing over there. There should definitely be an investigation into the whole thing once it's over.

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Suddenly now it's the fault of military leaders for Biden's decision to pull US troops out before civilians were evacuated? Literally a virus was Trump's fault but the commander in chief doesn't bear at least some responsibility for this colossal fuckup?

Like military leaders could have just decided to secure Kabul until Americans were safe? I find that hard to believe, that sounds like a decision that would require presidential approval, something they clearly didn't have.

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Originally Posted by Tgo01

So US soldiers are just gonna chill at the airport until all Americans make their way there? I'm sure that's gonna go over smoothly with the Taliban.

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Actually, there are already reports of the Taliban allowing US citizens and other people with a proper documents through all the checkpoints without any problems to get to the airport.

They want us out of their country. Do you think detaining or killing US citizens trying to get to the airport is going to help that?

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Originally Posted by Solkern

Actually, there are already reports of the Taliban allowing US citizens and other people with a proper documents through all the checkpoints without any problems to get to the airport.

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If only Americans didn't have to go through checkpoints put up by literal terrorists in a city the US controlled just a few days ago. Gosh, if only we had a military in the country that didn't have to abide by a withdrawal date. If only.

I like how you downplay the shit out of a terrorist organization setting up roadblocks which has caused a dramatic slowdown of evacuations. Keep on keeping on. Oh by the way did you see the statement the Biden administration put out today that they had no way of knowing this would have happened? Almost as if he's saying it was impossible...weird.

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Originally Posted by Tgo01

If only Americans didn't have to go through checkpoints put up by literal terrorists in a city the US controlled just a few days ago. Gosh, if only we had a military in the country that didn't have to abide by a withdrawal date. If only.

I like how you downplay the shit out of a terrorist organization setting up roadblocks which has caused a dramatic slowdown of evacuations. Keep on keeping on. Oh by the way did you see the statement the Biden administration put out today that they had no way of knowing this would have happened? Almost as if he's saying it was impossible...weird.

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I’m not downplaying anything. I’m refuting your idiotic point that you put no thought into before you posted

Now you’re implying that, no way of knowing has the same meaning as impossible? Lol?

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Originally Posted by Tgo01

Suddenly now it's the fault of military leaders for Biden's decision to pull US troops out before civilians were evacuated? Literally a virus was Trump's fault but the commander in chief doesn't bear at least some responsibility for this colossal fuckup?

Like military leaders could have just decided to secure Kabul until Americans were safe? I find that hard to believe, that sounds like a decision that would require presidential approval, something they clearly didn't have.

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Again, this is only sudden if you haven't been paying attention for the last 20 years. There was a fuckup somewhere between the guys manning the checkpoints and the guy setting policy, over several administrations. That needs to be investigated.

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Originally Posted by Solkern

I’m not downplaying anything. I’m refuting your idiotic point that you put no thought into before you posted

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What did you refute exactly? I said Americans are trapped in Kabul. Are they or are they not trapped in Kabul? The terrorist organization supposedly letting Americans pass "with no trouble" doesn't mean Americans aren't trapped in Kabul. Why are you so fucking stupid?

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Originally Posted by Solkern

It’s ok PB I understand Engrish is hard for you. Let’s try again? Retards always need things repeated to them to help them have a better chance of understanding.

Tgo said Biden said it impossible!(0% chance of happening)
I asked where did Biden say this?
Tgo sends an link and quotes Biden said “it’s highly unlikely”
See the difference? Here let me help you with another version

Would people still buy lottery tickets if it was IMPOSSIBLE(0% chance) to win?
Imagine the lottery company said it’s highly unlikely you’ll win the lottery! People spend millions only to find out that the company made it impossible, the lottery replies, “highly unlikely, and impossible?! There’s no real difference!” (You and Tgo’s logic). Actually yeah, there is a big difference.

It’s not about the word “impossible” it’s about Tgo floating false information as fact.

Probably still too difficult for you to comprehend. Don’t even know why I try.

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Can you give us some sources where "everyone" has said that President Biden "royally fucked" this up?

Or do you have a problem with English?

China and Iran have already cut deals with the Taliban to exploit all of their natural resources.

Good job, Biden! So we spent trillions in the country only for you to allow the Taliban to take control in a matter of days and now China gets to reap all of the rewards.

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Originally Posted by Tgo01

Biden now says US troops might remain in Afghanistan past the withdraw deadline.

LOL

What was even the point of all of this then? Each day I am somehow shocked that Biden is more incompetent than the day before.

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LOL again!

NEVERMIND!

Pentagon: Afghanistan evacuations past Aug. 31 would require additional Taliban talks

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The Pentagon conceded Thursday that continuing evacuations out of Kabul after Aug. 31 “would require additional conversations” with the Taliban to ensure the safety of Americans and Afghan allies seeking to flee the country.

The acknowledgment comes after President Joe Biden said Wednesday he would maintain the U.S. military presence in Afghanistan beyond the end of the month — his self-imposed withdrawal deadline — if evacuation operations were not yet completed.

But Pentagon spokesperson John Kirby said Thursday there “has been no decision to change the deadline” and indicated that an extension of the timeline for evacuations would need tacit approval from the Taliban in the form of a new agreement between U.S. officials and commanders of the militant group.

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So now we are put in a position where we have to beg the terrorist regime to allow our citizens to be evacuated if we can't evacuate them by the 31st? So Biden flat out lied saying we would stay there as long as we needed to?

My God. You all voted for an absolute monster and can't just admit it. You're gonna vote for him even if he's in a vegetative state in 2024 aren't you?

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Originally Posted by Tgo01

LOL again!

NEVERMIND!

Pentagon: Afghanistan evacuations past Aug. 31 would require additional Taliban talks



So now we are put in a position where we have to beg the terrorist regime to allow our citizens to be evacuated if we can't evacuate them by the 31st? So Biden flat out lied saying we would stay there as long as we needed to?

My God. You all voted for an absolute monster and can't just admit it. You're gonna vote for him even if he's in a vegetative state in 2024 aren't you?

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They aren't hitting hard at the airport. This evacuation could have been a whole lot worse if they were challenging it. We are probably going to be buddy buddy with them vs ISIS too, as we both hate them.

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Originally Posted by Gelston

We are probably going to be buddy buddy with them vs ISIS too, as we both hate them.

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Then why didn't Biden just cut deals with the Taliban so we could have evacuated our citizens in an orderly fashion and so we could take all of their natural resources?

Either way Biden comes out of this looking completely incompetent.

Shit maybe we should have just kept a military presence there if this is the alternative. I didn't realize just how badly Biden fucked this all up.

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“We’ve all seen the pictures,” ABC News’s George Stephanopoulos said in an interview on Wednesday. “We’ve seen those hundreds of people packed into a C-17, we’ve seen Afghans falling — ”

Biden, the supposed champion of empathy, bristled.

“That was four days ago! Five days ago!” he interjected indignantly.

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Four whole days ago! Old news already! Move on! Did you hear I'm taking a break from all of this Afghanistan nonsense to go after governors for opposing mask mandates in school?

Talk about a complete lack of empathy. This guy is a straight up ghoul.

How did this guy get elected again? Oh right, he wasn't Orange man.

Dollars to donuts that we have at least 10,000 troops in Afghanistan by the end of the year.

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Originally Posted by Tgo01

Then why didn't Biden just cut deals with the Taliban so we could have evacuated our citizens in an orderly fashion and so we could take all of their natural resources?

Either way Biden comes out of this looking completely incompetent.

Shit maybe we should have just kept a military presence there if this is the alternative. I didn't realize just how badly Biden fucked this all up.

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Because they probably already have deal getting ready to go with China and Russia? No one on these forums knows what kind of talks the Biden Admin has been having with the Taliban.

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Originally Posted by Taernath

Again, this is only sudden if you haven't been paying attention for the last 20 years. There was a fuckup somewhere between the guys manning the checkpoints and the guy setting policy, over several administrations. That needs to be investigated.

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I really hope there is a release of e-mails to document how the decision making process played out for this. This needs to be a learning/teachable moment, to ensure 1. accountability and 2. how not to repeat the same mistakes in the future.

Again, I think we should have left the minute Osama was killed. We as a Nation could have said to the world - "we did what we came to do and punished those responsible" - and I think? that would have sat well with our Citizens and the World.

Ending it was always going to be rough, but why it devolved into the current situation of pure chaos... I agree with you, it should be examined.

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Originally Posted by Gelston

Because they probably already have deal getting ready to go with China and Russia? No one on these forums knows what kind of talks the Biden Admin has been having with the Taliban.

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The takeaway from this then is that Biden is so incompetent that he received absolutely nothing from the Taliban in any talks they may have had with them. They didn't even secure a deal where they wouldn't advance on Kabul until all Americans had been evacuated.

So many fuckups coming in on an hourly basis it's impossible to even keep up with it all anymore.

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Democratic President Joe Biden said that there was no "consensus" in intelligence reports about how quickly Afghanistan would fall to Taliban forces as the U.S. withdrew its military troops.

"I think there was no consensus," Biden told ABC News' George Stephanopoulos. "You go back and look at the intelligence reports. They said that they're much more likely to be sometime by the end of the year."

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So...wait...Biden formally acknowledges that the Taliban was likely to take over Afghanistan within 3-4 months after the US withdrew all of their troops and...he left civilians and embassy staff there anyways and didn't evacuate all of those people and THEN withdraw the military?

Jesus. Fucking. Christ.

How is anyone in the world defending this man anymore? This guy is just a menace.

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Originally Posted by Tgo01

The takeaway from this then is that Biden is so incompetent that he received absolutely nothing from the Taliban in any talks they may have had with them. They didn't even secure a deal where they wouldn't advance on Kabul until all Americans had been evacuated.

So many fuckups coming in on an hourly basis it's impossible to even keep up with it all anymore.

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We don't know this. Why isn't the taliban just converging on the Airport? Why aren't they hitting it with rockets and small arms fire? There is a reason.

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Originally Posted by Gelston

We don't know this. Why isn't the taliban just converging on the Airport? Why aren't they hitting it with rockets and small arms fire? There is a reason.

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Because apparently Biden begged them to allow the US to control the airport until the end of the month so they made a deal with the Taliban. That's what I'm getting from everything I have read. If they don't make a new deal by the end of the month and we still have people who need to be evacuated I have a feeling the Taliban's patience would quickly wear thin.

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Originally Posted by Tgo01

So US soldiers are just gonna chill at the airport until all Americans make their way there? I'm sure that's gonna go over smoothly with the Taliban.

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I can see you lack reading comprehension. I quoted the point you made that I refuted. That it is indeed going over smoothly with the Taliban and they are allowing US citizens and other people with proper documents to make it to the airport.

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Originally Posted by Tgo01

Because apparently Biden begged them to allow the US to control the airport until the end of the month so they made a deal with the Taliban. That's what I'm getting from everything I have read. If they don't make a new deal by the end of the month and we still have people who need to be evacuated I have a feeling the Taliban's patience would quickly wear thin.

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Trump is the one that set up the withdrawal deal with the Taliban. Wouldn't he be the one that begged them?

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Originally Posted by Parkbandit

Can you give us some sources where "everyone" has said that President Biden "royally fucked" this up?

Or do you have a problem with English?

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I understand you lack the ability to comprehend what a generalized embellished statement is, that was referencing the majority of people.
It’s ok, it must be the jet lag.

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Originally Posted by Solkern

I can see you lack reading comprehension. I quoted the point you made that I refuted. That it is indeed going over smoothly with the Taliban and they are allowing US citizens and other people with proper documents to make it to the airport.

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Oh wow, that was your point? Yeah well, the Pentagon has already come out and said they need to make a new deal with the Taliban if they want to stay there past the end of the month, so now, Biden was 100% wrong when he said we will simply stay there as long as needed. Do you ever tire of being wrong literally all of the time?

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Originally Posted by Gelston

Trump is the one that set up the withdrawal deal with the Taliban. Wouldn't he be the one that begged them?

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And Biden made a new deal. This is all Biden's fuck up now. You can't say Trump made a deal to withdraw troops by April and this is somehow still Trump's deal when Biden set a deadline of the end of August. This is Biden's deal. Biden's fuckups. He owns 100% of this.

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Originally Posted by Gelston

Trump is the one that set up the withdrawal deal with the Taliban. Wouldn't he be the one that begged them?

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He had a conditions based withdrawal plan, which resulted in 18+ months of tenuous stability. And I fully concede it was tenuous, but it was stable.

Biden came in and scrapped Trump's negotiated deals, the exit plan, and did his own. Biden's administration also halted talks with the Taliban, as I linked from the July news article. That's why I really hope there is a FOIA release of information to figure out what/how occurred.

Also our politicians being so beholden to "Party" instead of the "People" is why we are in this mess.... I'll give you an example:

https://www.speaker.gov/newsroom/111720-0 - Pelosi's statement in NOV 2020 when Trump announced the planned withdrawal from Afghanistan.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIpta-RdOak - Pelosi's statement in past 2 days on Biden's decision and execution of the withdrawal from Afghanistan.

The fact we let our elected officials behave like this is asinine and a detriment to us all, regardless of which side you lean. It's been corrupted so thoroughly, that our commitment and resolve as a Nation is being demolished. It's sad to watch.

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Originally Posted by Tgo01

And Biden made a new deal. This is all Biden's fuck up now. You can't say Trump made a deal to withdraw troops by April and this is somehow still Trump's deal when Biden set a deadline of the end of August. This is Biden's deal. Biden's fuckups. He owns 100% of this.

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rofl, Biden doesn't own 100% of this.

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Originally Posted by Tgo01

And Biden made a new deal. This is all Biden's fuck up now. You can't say Trump made a deal to withdraw troops by April and this is somehow still Trump's deal when Biden set a deadline of the end of August. This is Biden's deal. Biden's fuckups. He owns 100% of this.

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Can you provide a link of the new deal Biden made with the Taliban?

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Originally Posted by Shaps

He had a conditions based withdrawal plan, which resulted in 18+ months of tenuous stability. And I fully concede it was tenuous, but it was stable.

Biden came in and scrapped Trump's negotiated deals, the exit plan, and did his own. Biden's administration also halted talks with the Taliban, as I linked from the July news article. That's why I really hope there is a FOIA release of information to figure out what/how occurred.

Also our politicians being so beholden to "Party" instead of the "People" is why we are in this mess.... I'll give you an example:

https://www.speaker.gov/newsroom/111720-0 - Pelosi's statement in NOV 2020 when Trump announced the plan withdrawal from Afghanistan.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIpta-RdOak - Pelosi's statement in past 2 days on Biden's decision and execution of the withdrawal from Afghanistan.

The fact we let our elected officials behave like this is asinine and a detriment to us all, regardless of which side you lean. It's been corrupted so thoroughly, that our commitment and resolve as a Nation is being demolished. It's sad to watch.

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And is it only begging when Biden makes a deal with the Taliban or not?

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Originally Posted by Gelston

rofl, Biden doesn't own 100% of this.

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Okay, fine, Biden's administration owns 100% this, I'm sure plenty of people around him had a hand in this fuck up. Why would this be literally anyone else's fault? You can blame the past 3 presidents for us still being in Afghanistan, you can say it was inevitable that the Taliban would have taken control of the country eventually, but the withdraw and every fuck up that has happened during this is withdraw is 100% on Biden's administration. Who else would we blame?

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Originally Posted by Tgo01

Oh wow, that was your point? Yeah well, the Pentagon has already come out and said they need to make a new deal with the Taliban if they want to stay there past the end of the month, so now, Biden was 100% wrong when he said we will simply stay there as long as needed. Do you ever tire of being wrong literally all of the time?

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My point is quite simple. You made a point that was not correct according to reports. I refuted that point. It’s really not that difficult to understand, is it?

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Originally Posted by Solkern

Can you provide a link of the new deal Biden made with the Taliban?

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Because you've proven you so desperately want to have an honest discussion. Fuck you. Remember fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice...you can't be fooled again.

And yeah say whatever dumb shit like "LOL! That's what I thought." You win da internetz!

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Originally Posted by Tgo01

Okay, fine, Biden's administration owns 100% this, I'm sure plenty of people around him had a hand in this fuck up. Why would this be literally anyone else's fault? You can blame the past 3 presidents for us still being in Afghanistan, you can say it was inevitable that the Taliban would have taken control of the country eventually, but the withdraw and every fuck up that has happened during this is withdraw is 100% on Biden's administration. Who else would we blame?

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Nope. Every Admin from Bush to now has a piece of the pie.

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Originally Posted by Solkern

My point is quite simple. You made a point that was not correct according to reports. I refuted that point. It’s really not that difficult to understand, is it?

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Originally Posted by Gelston

Nope. Every Admin from Bush to now has a piece of the pie.

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Somehow Bush is responsible for this colossal fuck up of a withdraw? Give me a break.

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Originally Posted by Gelston

And is it only begging when Biden makes a deal with the Taliban or not?

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When doing it from a position of weakness, yes.

It's the fact that the Biden Administration cut off talks 2-3 months ago that is the issue. Those were negotiations. The current situation is, to use your terms, "begging".

This situation never needed to occur if they'd kept "negotiating". It now has, and they are "begging" (again your term). How I see it at least.

And again, the biggest issue is our politicians being so beholden to "Party". It taints their decision making so thoroughly that situations like this occur.

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Originally Posted by Tgo01

Because you've proven you so desperately want to have an honest discussion. Fuck you. Remember fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice...you can't be fooled again.

And yeah say whatever dumb shit like "LOL! That's what I thought." You win da internetz!

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Quite typical of you, You make a claim, when someone asks you for evidence to support your claim, you just deflect, deflect, deflect.

You said Biden made a new deal, can you provide a link to that new deal? But I’m going to assume you were just talking out of your ass, like usual.

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Originally Posted by Shaps

When doing it from a position of weakness, yes.

It's the fact that the Biden Administration cut off talks 2-3 months ago that is the issue. Those were negotiations. The current situation is, to use your terms, "begging".

This situation never needed to occur if they'd kept "negotiating". It now has, and they are "begging" (again your term). How I see it at least.

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rofl wut? You think Trump did it from a position of power?

And no, "begging" was Tgo's term.

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Originally Posted by Gelston

Nope. Every Admin from Bush to now has a piece of the pie.

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Somehow Bush is responsible for this colossal fuck up of a withdraw? Give me a break.

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Bush is absolutely responsible for getting the US into an unwinnable war with no exit strategy. He isn't responsible for Biden's mistakes on aspects of the withdrawal.

People who aren't in your cult are capable of placing blame everywhere it's due instead of having a seizure and going:

https://i.imgflip.com/5k4mr4.jpg

:rofl:

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Somehow Bush is responsible for this colossal fuck up of a withdraw? Give me a break.

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We wouldn't be there is the first place without George W. Bush putting us there... so... Yeah.

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Originally Posted by Gelston

rofl wut? You think Trump did it from a position of power?

And no, "begging" was Tgo's term.

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Yes, I do. They were at least condition's based negotiations.

https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/us-...fghanistan-war - March 2020.

Biden gets elected and scrapped it all. Because he had to "do it his way". Because anything with Trump's name on it "had to be destroyed"... all because "Orange man bad". Again.. "Party" over the "People".

This isn't rocket science. Plenty of blame to go around for 20+ years. As stated, my personal opinion we should have left after Osama was killed. But this situation, and how it's unfolded is squarely on this Administration.

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Originally Posted by Shaps

Yes, I do. They were at least condition's based negotiations.

https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/us-...fghanistan-war - March 2020.

Biden gets elected and scrapped it all. Because he had to "do it his way". Because anything with Trump's name on it "had to be destroyed"... all because "Orange man bad". Again.. "Party" over the "People".

This isn't rocket science. Plenty of blame to go around for 20+ years. As stated, my personal opinion we should have left after Osama was killed. But this situation, and how it's unfolded is squarely on this Administration.

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And again, no one on these forums know what the Biden Admin and the Taliban have talked about.

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Originally Posted by Gelston

rofl wut? You think Trump did it from a position of power?

And no, "begging" was Tgo's term.

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When it comes to evacuating Americans yes, I would use the term "beg" in this instance. Why are we asking Taliban for permission to evacuate our own US citizens? Why aren't we going in to rescue US citizens?

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Originally Posted by Gelston

We wouldn't be there is the first place without George W. Bush putting us there... so... Yeah.

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Which is why I said we can blame a lot of shit on the past three presidents but this debacle of a withdraw is all on Biden.

He negotiated this withdraw.

He was the one who has now admitted he knew the Taliban would control the country within 3-4 months after we withdrew our troops yet he didn't evacuate US citizens ahead of time.

He was the one who decided to close all military airbases instead of keeping them open to help with evacuations.

He was the one who forced us to use one airport in the most populated city in the entire country to rely on us evacuating US citizens.

He was the one who ghoulishly told us to not worry about an Afghan falling to his death after clinging to a US plane because that was 4 days ago, fat!

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Originally Posted by Gelston

And again, no one on these forums know what the Biden Admin and the Taliban have talked about.

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What does it matter? We can see it unfolding in real time how those negotiations or lack of negotiations went.

We controlled the security of the country just a few weeks ago, why we wouldn't be demanding everything from the Taliban in exchange for our withdraw is nothing short of mind boggling. Either Biden is so incompetent he negotiated a weak deal even though he was negotiating from a position of power (the US military staying there and thus the Taliban can't take control), or the Taliban made a deal and said "Fuck you!" afterwards and Biden is now reduced to begging them to allow us to evacuate our own citizens.

Either way Biden doesn't come out of this looking good.

I'm just surprised Biden didn't challenge the Taliban to a push up contest to see who could control the Afghan government.

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Originally Posted by Gelston

And again, no one on these forums know what the Biden Admin and the Taliban have talked about.

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Which again, is why I hope documents are released so that determination can be made. Standard AAR to put it in layman's terms.

I just can't believe the civilian side of the house thought they could just keep doing business as usual, without the backing of the small contingent of military forces that had remained in country.

That's one of the biggest points I would like to see their internal thought processes on.

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Originally Posted by Tgo01

What does it matter? We can see it unfolding in real time how those negotiations or lack of negotiations went.

We controlled the security of the country just a few weeks ago, why we wouldn't be demanding everything from the Taliban in exchange for our withdraw is nothing short of mind boggling. Either Biden is so incompetent he negotiated a weak deal even though he was negotiating from a position of power (the US military staying there and thus the Taliban can't take control), or the Taliban made a deal and said "Fuck you!" afterwards and Biden is now reduced to begging them to allow us to evacuate our own citizens.

Either way Biden doesn't come out of this looking good.

I'm just surprised Biden didn't challenge the Taliban to a push up contest to see who could control the Afghan government.

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What I see unfolding in real time is the Taliban leaving the airport the fuck alone. There is some kind of deal in place.

Separate side-bar, but same general area...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwDyIazVih8

I'm sure the personnel in Syria, are surprised to discover they actually aren't.

Things like this from the Commander in Chief is scary. We have approximately 1000 operators in Syria battling. Biden says "we don't have any troops in Syria".

Things like this are disturbing. It's sad to watch.

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Originally Posted by Gelston

What I see unfolding in real time is the Taliban leaving the airport the fuck alone. There is some kind of deal in place.

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A whole airport? That's what Biden negotiated? Great.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/pe...d=winp1taskbar

So apparently US AND UK citizens are trapped in Kabul because they can't make it to the airport (even though idiots such as Solkern said the Taliban are "letting them" go to the airport.) The UK however is sending paratroopers INTO Kabul to rescue their stranded citizens. Meanwhile Biden has told US citizens he won't rescue them and they need to find their own way to the airport.

Is this also Trump's fault?

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"At this time, our main mission continues to be to secure HKIA, to allow those American citizens and other SIVs to come in and be processed at the airfield."

Pentagon press secretary John Kirby was asked during the same press conference whether he knows how many Americans remain stuck in Afghanistan. He replied: "I don't know."

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Fuck's sake. The US military is apparently so weak under Biden that they can only hold one civilian airport, they can't control that airport AND rescue civilians.

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My big question in all of this shitshow is this: Where were all these mobs of Taliban hiding all these years that we weren't mowing them down wholesale?

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I had been reading something about how the Taliban had all but disappeared by 2004. They had gone back to their families and were living their lives. Local "warlords" had been reporting their enemies to the US to get them to kill them while accepting supplies and money fromt he US. They were oppressing the people in the areas and causing people to get fed up and come back to the Taliban again fairly recently.

This was just one account so take it with a grain of salt but it adds up.

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“We don’t have the capability to go out and collect up large numbers of people,” Defense Secretary Gen. Lloyd Austin said. The U.S. is relying on the Taliban to let Americans and Afghan allies pass through checkpoints to reach the Kabul airport.

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What the fuck is this dumb shit? The most powerful military the world has ever seen "doesn't have the capability" to rescue thousands of Americans stranded in Afghanistan? Is anyone buying this dumb shit?

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Yes, I do. They were at least condition's based negotiations.

https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/us-...fghanistan-war - March 2020.

Biden gets elected and scrapped it all. Because he had to "do it his way". Because anything with Trump's name on it "had to be destroyed"... all because "Orange man bad". Again.. "Party" over the "People".

This isn't rocket science. Plenty of blame to go around for 20+ years. As stated, my personal opinion we should have left after Osama was killed. But this situation, and how it's unfolded is squarely on this Administration.

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Here's a joke. Trump negotiates a deal with the Taliban and excludes the recognized government of the country. In the agreement, Trump agrees to withdraw all foreign troops within 14 months of the Taliban will just please please stop winning. Which they didn't do and yet Trump still reduces the number of foreign troops from 17,000+ to less than 2,500 before he left office in January.

Now, this entire time the draw down deal is being affected by Trump's administration from January 2020 to January 2021 and no major effort is conducted to remove American civilian contractors or gold star families. Come April 2021, just a couple of weeks from Trump's full withdrawal time line and three months in office Biden announces.. a withdrawal, extending the American presence until September, because guess what, oh shit all these Americans are still in the country and Trump didn't evacuate more than his happy meal box.

So let's summarize. Two party negotiations for a three party deal, American troops needed to secure withdrawal are bought home, without the secure withdrawal. The supposed negotiations between Taliban and Afghanistan forces negotiated by the 2020 agreement never happened, because they were still shouting each other afterwards mutually violating the limited ceasefire.

All of this before Biden even took office.

So let's see. Trump announces empty negotiations and withdrawal from Afghanistan, presumably to help his re-election which fails to materialize on any front. President Biden, now six months in office is now the bringer of all evils from prior to his taking office. Right, makes total sense.

I absolutely love how Mccarthy and Lindsay Graham are blaming President Biden for not extending the presence in Afghanistan after seeing how badly Trump fucked it all up in his final year in office.

https://i.imgur.com/v4D1w6T.png
https://i.imgur.com/ayYBF7j.jpeg

https://i.imgur.com/hvj3p2v.jpeg
https://i.imgur.com/NzMngn5.jpeg

https://i.imgur.com/D8Daq9G.jpeg

Something tells me 99% of all of that is bullshit.

I'm sure some people took advantage of the US' military presence to target their foes, but this supposedly went on for years and the US military either never figured out what was going on or was all too happy to just be killing people that they didn't care they were being used to murder innocent people?

Surely there would have been thousands of whistle blowers by now and we wouldn't be learning this from a Twitter thread who is quoting someone selling a book. And of course the story makes the Taliban seem like good people: they voluntarily left power then decided they had to fight the good fight against the murderous US and Afghan government, all of those suicide bombings they have been conducting for the past decade or so is to prove to everyone that the US and Afghan government were the real monsters.

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FWIW we had a literal pallet of cash that we would hand out to people who provided us "intel". We knew what we were told was either entirely fake or rival blood feud bullshit, and reported it as such, but we were told to continue handing it out. Someone up above apparently thought it was real.

I disagree that the Taliban ceased to exist, though.

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Doesn't surprise me at all. It's pretty much been a world wide grift on the US middle class since WW2.

I would actually consider voting democrat again if they are the party that continues to close down bases across the globe. From what I understand we were spending 300 million a day in Afghanistan alone.

I'm not sure anyone can fathom what we could have done for our own country over the past 20 years and a trillion plus dollars.

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Doesn't surprise me at all. It's pretty much been a world wide grift on the US middle class since WW2.

I would actually consider voting democrat again if they are the party that continues to close down bases across the globe. From what I understand we were spending 300 million a day in Afghanistan alone.

I'm not sure anyone can fathom what we could have done for our own country over the past 20 years and a trillion plus dollars.

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Two trillion at this point, not to mention all the savings for treatment from injured veterans. The war machine lobby is powerful in this country.

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Two trillion at this point, not to mention all the savings for treatment from injured veterans. The war machine lobby is powerful in this country.

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A couple videos floating around today from UK parliament, they mention Europe's need to fund their own military instead of depending on the US military.

Pretty much the best news thus far out of this Afghanistan withdraw.

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A couple videos floating around today from UK parliament, they mention Europe's need to fund their own military instead of depending on the US military.

Pretty much the best news thus far out of this Afghanistan withdraw.

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If that happens it'd be amazing.

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A couple videos floating around today from UK parliament, they mention Europe's need to fund their own military instead of depending on the US military.

Pretty much the best news thus far out of this Afghanistan withdraw.

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Trump said that and he was the devil. Turns out all Trump had to do was bungle the Afghanistan withdrawal as badly as Biden did and that would have motivated Europe to build up their own army themselves.

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The devil Trump said that. Turns out all Trump had to do was bungle the Afghanistan withdrawal as badly as Biden did and that would have motivated Europe to build up their own army themselves.

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fixt that 4 u

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fixt that 4 u

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Hey as long as you agree that Biden is bungling this withdrawal to shit and back it all good.

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Trump said that and he was the devil. Turns out all Trump had to do was bungle the Afghanistan withdrawal as badly as Biden did and that would have motivated Europe to build up their own army themselves.

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The United Kingdom isn't Europe, nor they even part of the EU anymore. You know that, right?

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The United Kingdom isn't Europe, nor they even part of the EU anymore. You know that, right?

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You're really splitting hairs here. Leaders in the UK said Europe should no longer be in a position where one person from one country (the US president obviously) can unilaterally call the shots in situations such as this so they should work together so they won't have to rely on the US as much anymore.

You: Yeah but the UK is no longer part of the EU.

Okay? I must be doing something right because lately all you guys can do is try to score these dumbass technical points.

"He didn't literally use the word 'impossible'!"

"Trump pushed NATO to build up their armies! The UK isn't Europe or part of the EU anymore!"

Like I don't even know what your point is right now.

Fact checking your lies is full time job for like half the board. You ability to overstate a fact to score cheap political points is legendary level and your political bias rivals religious fanatics.

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Fact checking your lies is full time job for like half the board. You ability to overstate a fact to score cheap political points is legendary level and your political bias rivals religious fanatics.

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Which lies did you "fact check" exactly? Did I say the UK was part of the EU or something and I don't remember it? How many drugs have you ingested lately?

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FWIW we had a literal pallet of cash that we would hand out to people who provided us "intel". We knew what we were told was either entirely fake or rival blood feud bullshit, and reported it as such, but we were told to continue handing it out. Someone up above apparently thought it was real.

I disagree that the Taliban ceased to exist, though.

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Yeah, its from a book apparently written by someone from Afghanistan so the truth lies somewhere in the middle. A lot of it seems plausible though. I could see a politician acting on fake intel just to score a win.

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Either way Biden comes out of this looking completely incompetent.

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In his defense.. he has looked this way for the past half century in office.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EouSXdXS0AA

So antithetical to historic ideals and US policy.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EouSXdXS0AA

So antithetical to historic ideals and US policy.

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Impossible. Solkern said the Taliban are allowing people to get to the airport with no problems at all.

U.S. pauses Afghanistan evacuation flights as processing facility hits capacity

What a complete and utter shitshow. Once again I am somehow surprised at just how much more incompetent the Biden administration gets by the day.

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Impossible. Solkern said the Taliban are allowing people to get to the airport with no problems at all.

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No tgo, that’s the big difference between us.

When I made that post, I could have shown sources where the Taliban said they’re offering safe passage to US citizens to the airport.

When you make a claim such as “Biden said it’s impossible for the Taliban to take over Afghanistan” you can’t show any sources of Biden saying that. And the source you did provide didn’t back up your claim in any way and showed he did in fact not say what you “claimed” he said.

Try harder cupcake.

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When I made that post, I could have shown sources where the Taliban said they’re offering safe passage to US citizens to the airport.

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Oh so you're just taking the word of a terrorist organization at face value and ignoring all of the reports of tens of thousands of US citizens and others trapped in the city?

You're even more dishonest than I thought prior to this post of yours. Do better in life.

Pretty sad when even The Daily Beast calls bullshit on what a Democrat president has to say.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opini...fly/ar-AANx52z

According to The Daily Beast and other publications Biden 100% flat out lied when he said the reason why the US didn't evacuate Afghan nationals who were eligible to come to the US because they helped the US military was because they wanted to stay in Afghanistan.

Yes that's right. According to Biden people who helped the US and now faced death for them and their families at the hands of the Taliban said "You know what? Thanks but no thanks. We'll stay here." When in reality the reason is because they couldn't pay the required fee to come to the US.

Biden is such a huge fuckup that it can't even be put into words just how bad of a fuckup he is.

Imagine being so gullible you believed Dreaven cared if brown people died

You've got to be stupid to think people believe you lmao

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Imagine being so gullible you believed Dreaven cared if brown people died

You've got to be stupid to think people believe you lmao

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M'kay. Are you the professional victim from Discord who said I wanted to commit genocide against you?

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M'kay. Are you the professional victim from Discord who said I wanted to commit genocide against you?

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Please tell me this really didn't happen?

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Please tell me this really didn't happen?

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Oh it happened:

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Dreaven would like to see me exterminated from the planet. How is that for fair weather

I hardly even chat on Discord and I think my last post at that point was days or even weeks prior. This dude just straight up slandered me out of the blue.

To this day I have no idea who the fuck he is or why he thinks I want him "exterminated" from the planet. Even people on Discord thought he was being absurd, and that's saying something. I have no idea if this Fiend person is the same person on Discord but they both sound like professional victims.

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M'kay. Are you the professional victim from Discord who said I wanted to commit genocide against you?

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Oh it happened:

Faerinn
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Dreaven would like to see me exterminated from the planet. How is that for fair weather

I hardly even chat on Discord and I think my last post at that point was days or even weeks prior. This dude just straight up slandered me out of the blue.

To this day I have no idea who the fuck he is or why he thinks I want him "exterminated" from the planet. Even people on Discord thought he was being absurd, and that's saying something. I have no idea if this Fiend person is the same person on Discord but they both sound like professional victims.

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There is Tgo again, saying one thing, when the person said another thing to make his “story” sound better. Also, learn what genocide means.

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Oh so you're just taking the word of a terrorist organization at face value and ignoring all of the reports of tens of thousands of US citizens and others trapped in the city?

You're even more dishonest than I thought prior to this post of yours. Do better in life.

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When did I say I’m taking the word of a terrorist? I said there are reports of what the Taliban are doing. I also gave supporting reasons on why they would/should actually follow through on what they’ve said.
You should learn the difference.

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There is Tgo again, saying one thing, when the person said another thing to make his “story” sound better. Also, learn what genocide means.

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Holy shit balls, my dude.

My bad! I thought he used the word "genocide", instead he just said "exterminated." Totally changes what he was slandering me for right? I thought he was accusing me of being a Nazi who wanted to commit genocide, but instead he just accused me of being a Nazi who wanted to exterminate him for whatever reason he is playing the victim for.

Meh, exterminated, genocide, either way the GS community needs an enema.

I love how two months ago, Trump said this:
“I started the process, all the troops are coming home, they (Biden) couldn’t stop the process. 21 years is enough. They (Biden) couldn’t stop the process, they (Biden) wanted to but couldn’t stop the process.”

https://www.independent.co.uk/tv/new...iden-v91ad2982

Looks like Trump is claiming full credit for the withdraw.


Looks like one of the largest veterans group supports Biden’s withdraw.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/4-300-vet...180400922.html

“We the undersigned are resolute in our support of President Biden’s decision to end the war in Afghanistan," the letter read. "There is no clean way to exit another country’s civil war, especially as one government falls and another takes power. The images out of Afghanistan are heartbreaking, especially for those of us who served there."

"Let us be very clear — the people who got us into this mess have absolutely no right to say a word about how we get out of it. President Biden made a very tough call, knowing that this withdrawal would not be pretty, or flawless. He is cleaning up the terrible situation that the aforementioned people created, and he is dealing with a terrible agreement struck by the previous administration and the Taliban," the group wrote. "Our support for the President’s decision to leave is as resolute as ever. It is the right thing to do, no matter how many people in the chattering class want to claim otherwise."

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I love how two months ago, Trump said this:
“I started the process, all the troops are coming home, they (Biden) couldn’t stop the process. 21 years is enough. They (Biden) couldn’t stop the process, they (Biden) wanted to but couldn’t stop the process.”

https://www.independent.co.uk/tv/new...iden-v91ad2982

Looks like Trump is claiming full credit for the withdraw.


Looks like one of the largest veterans group supports Biden’s withdraw.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/4-300-vet...180400922.html

“We the undersigned are resolute in our support of President Biden’s decision to end the war in Afghanistan," the letter read. "There is no clean way to exit another country’s civil war, especially as one government falls and another takes power. The images out of Afghanistan are heartbreaking, especially for those of us who served there."

"Let us be very clear — the people who got us into this mess have absolutely no right to say a word about how we get out of it. President Biden made a very tough call, knowing that this withdrawal would not be pretty, or flawless. He is cleaning up the terrible situation that the aforementioned people created, and he is dealing with a terrible agreement struck by the previous administration and the Taliban," the group wrote. "Our support for the President’s decision to leave is as resolute as ever. It is the right thing to do, no matter how many people in the chattering class want to claim otherwise."

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It's a cluster fuck of epic proportions.

The US embassy is now advising citizens to NOT travel to the airport unless they receive individual instructions because it’s unsafe. Meanwhile the US military still refuses to send troops into the city to evacuate US citizens. So I guess if you're a US citizen trapped in Afghanistan and you don't receive "special instructions" from the US embassy you're just fucked.

This would be funny if this were a sitcom, but sadly this is reality under a Biden presidency.

The Defense Secretary told lawmakers that US citizens on their way to the airport have been beaten by Taliban terrorists at checkpoints. So much for Solkern's lie that "The Taliban are letting US citizens get to the airport with no trouble at all!"

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Originally Posted by Solkern

I love how two months ago, Trump said this:
“I started the process, all the troops are coming home, they (Biden) couldn’t stop the process. 21 years is enough. They (Biden) couldn’t stop the process, they (Biden) wanted to but couldn’t stop the process.”

https://www.independent.co.uk/tv/new...iden-v91ad2982

Looks like Trump is claiming full credit for the withdraw.


Looks like one of the largest veterans group supports Biden’s withdraw.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/4-300-vet...180400922.html

“We the undersigned are resolute in our support of President Biden’s decision to end the war in Afghanistan," the letter read. "There is no clean way to exit another country’s civil war, especially as one government falls and another takes power. The images out of Afghanistan are heartbreaking, especially for those of us who served there."

"Let us be very clear — the people who got us into this mess have absolutely no right to say a word about how we get out of it. President Biden made a very tough call, knowing that this withdrawal would not be pretty, or flawless. He is cleaning up the terrible situation that the aforementioned people created, and he is dealing with a terrible agreement struck by the previous administration and the Taliban," the group wrote. "Our support for the President’s decision to leave is as resolute as ever. It is the right thing to do, no matter how many people in the chattering class want to claim otherwise."

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It was never about withdrawing, it was about how it was executed.

Your first point: Obama and Biden had 8 years to try and end it. They couldn't. Trump took office and started to end it, against the establishment who wanted to keep it going. Biden came in, and just went along with it.

Your second point: That is a progressive Veteran's organization and they can endorse/have any viewpoint they want. There are plenty of others who have a different opinion.

The abject failure of this administration is in the EXECUTION... not the decision to do it.

Example: Clips (look them up for yourself) of this Administration talking about how it will be calm, etc... how the Embassy and all those wonderful State Department personnel will keep doing the work to ensure aid, relief, and humanitarian efforts blah blah blah will continue... it was a pipe dream, but they really believed that. They think Twitter, memorandums, and "pleading for mercy" are effective measures to affect foreign policy. It's nuts, and this is the result.

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The Defense Secretary told lawmakers that US citizens on their way to the airport have been beaten by Taliban terrorists at checkpoints. So much for Solkern's lie that "The Taliban are letting US citizens get to the airport with no trouble at all!"

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One US citizen who was beaten at a checkpoint reported that it is impossible to get to the airport. She said that between her and the airport, there are approximately 20 Taliban checkpoints.

US troops are almost certainly going to have to go back to save American lives. I suppose we can try to talk to the Taliban leadership first, but pardon me for not being hopeful at a good outcome. But whatever we do we have to do it soon. Biden is paid to make decisions, now is the time to make one.

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Originally Posted by Candor

One US citizen who was beaten at a checkpoint reported that it is impossible to get to the airport. She said that between her and the airport, there are approximately 20 Taliban checkpoints.

US troops are almost certainly going to have to go back to save American lives. I suppose we can try to talk to the Taliban leadership first, but pardon me for not being hopeful at a good outcome. But whatever we do we have to do it soon. Biden is paid to make decisions, now is the time to make one.

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Whatever decision is made it will be a disaster.

I wonder how many IED's have been put in place over the past week with a freshly armed and updated Taliban force?

I know where I love to take vacations. Anywhere there's an active war going on. Now save me, never could have expected a shift in the war.... Personal responsibility be damned

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I know where I love to take vacations. Anywhere there's an active war going on. Now save me, never could have expected a shift in the war.... Personal responsibility be damned

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Umm, of course! It’s guaranteed to be much cheaper there. Plus, if shit happens, free flight home!

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The Defense Secretary told lawmakers that US citizens on their way to the airport have been beaten by Taliban terrorists at checkpoints. So much for Solkern's lie that "The Taliban are letting US citizens get to the airport with no trouble at all!"

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In before Solkern says "I DIDN'T SAY THE TALIBAN ARE LETTING US CITIZENS GET TO THE AIRPORT... I SAID THE TALIBAN SAID THEY ARE LETTING US CITIZENS GET TO THE AIRPORT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! " and watch him dig his heels in on that...

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In before Solkern says "I DIDN'T SAY THE TALIBAN ARE LETTING US CITIZENS GET TO THE AIRPORT... I SAID THE TALIBAN SAID THEY ARE LETTING US CITIZENS GET TO THE AIRPORT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! " and watch him dig his heels in on that...

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Actually, there are already reports of the Taliban allowing US citizens and other people with a proper documents through all the checkpoints without any problems to get to the airport.

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Look how stupid PB looks, 15 seconds of checking proves it. Try harder cupcake.

Damn you are dumb, must be the jet lag, or maybe you shouldn’t post before you take your meds? Your stupidity is really shining through this morning.

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Look how stupid PB looks, 15 seconds of checking proves it. Try harder cupcake.

Damn you are dumb, must be the jet lag, or maybe you shouldn’t post before you take your meds? Your stupidity is really shining through this morning.

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Proves what, specifically?

What retard hill are you defending this time?

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Proves what, specifically?

What retard hill are you defending this time?

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How stupid you are, and you just did it again. 2 for 2 this morning!

No surprises that the Special Immigrant Visa process being used in Afghanistan is an absolute shit show and the cause of so much turmoil at the Kabul airport. Thousands of ineligible Afghan nationals showed up with screenshots of tentative applications belonging to others in an attempt to flee the country. Absolutely support US Marine Corps clearing out the airport and putting in place a better screening process to keep the airfield secure and orderly.

Humanitarian crises's such as these are unfortunately tragic, but unfortunately not the universal responsibility of the US State Department and US Armed Forces to resolve.

An Afghan soldier (you know those people Biden slandered and said they all gave up without a fight) was killed in a shootout while defending the airport so people from other countries could flee.

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An Afghan soldier (you know those people Biden slandered and said they all gave up without a fight) was killed in a shootout while defending the airport so people from other countries could flee.

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Wow, the urge to politicize everything has got to be reflexive for you at this point. Way to jump to assumptions as always.

This just in, someone died, somewhere, Biden once criticized someone else. Is Biden at fault, one must ask oneself how often Biden and world problems can be referenced in the same post before the reader infers blame. The Dreaven/Carlson propaganda machine is like a sociology experiment in overdrive

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Wow, the urge to politicize everything has got to be reflexive for you at this point.

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Talk about projection. So now throwing Biden's words back in his face is "political"? I'm not the one who made Biden slander an entire group of people, you know, the type of thing you're usually against.

Biden is an asshole and doesn't give a single shit about the many people he has hurt with his incompetence and you can't help but defend his bullshit every step of the way.

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How stupid you are, and you just did it again. 2 for 2 this morning!

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One post was made yesterday.

One post was made today.

Counting: How does it work again?

You didn't answer the question though.

"Proves what, specifically?"

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One post was made yesterday.

One post was made today.

Counting: How does it work again?

You didn't answer the question though.

"Proves what, specifically?"

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3 for 3 with stupidity today! You’re on a roll PB, you hit the trifecta! Can you make a 4 for 4? Honestly though, it could be jet lag, or the lack of medication, but we all know it’s neither of those things, it’s just you being normal, a normal fucking idiot.

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3 for 3 with stupidity today! You’re on a roll PB, you hit the trifecta! Can you make a 4 for 4? Honestly though, it could be jet lag, or the lack of medication, but we all know it’s neither of those things, it’s just you being normal, a normal fucking idiot.

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You could just post "I had no point" and you would have been correct.

For once.

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You could just post "I had no point" and you would have been correct.

For once.

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You did it! Just like we all knew you would! Good doggy! Can you make 5 for 5? I believe in you! I’m not sure you can count that high, but you’re never to old to learn!

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Talk about projection. So now throwing Biden's words back in his face is "political"? I'm not the one who made Biden slander an entire group of people, you know, the type of thing you're usually against.

Biden is an asshole and doesn't give a single shit about the many people he has hurt with his incompetence and you can't help but defend his bullshit every step of the way.

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Because assholes like you are frothing at the mouth trying to land foreign policy and international diplomacy problems of the prior administrations on our current President. You know damn well that all of this predated President Biden and yet strategically try to pin it all on him.

Dreaven's political pundit friends failed miserably in their efforts to equate Afghanistan to Vietnam and are desperate to try and make Biden responsible for that war too.

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Because assholes like you are frothing at the mouth trying to land foreign policy and international diplomacy problems of the prior administrations on our current President. You know damn well that all of this predated President Biden and yet strategically try to pin it all on him.

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Biden said the Afghan army gave up, implying they were all cowards who didn't care about their own country.
Some of those Afghan soldiers are now risking their lives helping Americans evacuate.
One of them was killed in a gunfight today.

Rather than telling Biden off for being the soulless ghoul that he is you are once again giving me shit for giving Biden the shit he rightly deserves.

Remember this entire fucking mess is all on Biden. No one told him to fuck up the withdrawal this bad.

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Dreaven's political pundit friends failed miserably in their efforts to equate Afghanistan to Vietnam and are desperate to try and make Biden responsible for that war too.

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lol

What the fuck are you even talking about now? Your projection and deflection skills need some work. Even Ashliana is more coherent than you are being right now.

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Biden said the Afghan army gave up, implying they were all cowards who didn't care about their own country.
Some of those Afghan soldiers are now risking their lives helping Americans evacuate.
One of them was killed in a gunfight today.

Rather than telling Biden off for being the soulless ghoul that he is you are once again giving me shit for giving Biden the shit he rightly deserves.

Remember this entire fucking mess is all on Biden. No one told him to fuck up the withdrawal this bad.

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That's awesome that you feel that American servicemen and women are less important than the Afghan Security Forces that you're saying they should be picking up the slack for. I wonder why any of your Conservashit politicians don't advocate the same, that Americans should put their lives on line for decades at the cost of trillions of dollars overseas, so that counties can fail to secure and lead themselves. It's good knowing that the opinion on the far right that taxpayer lives and money are no object so long as pointless wars without measurable benefit to Americans are their new slogan.

I particularly enjoy the Conservashit line that Biden would be a better President if he undid all of Trumps negotiations in Afghanistan.

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That's awesome that you feel that American servicemen and women are less important than the Afghan Security Forces that you're saying they should be picking up the slack for.

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Why shouldn't the US military "pick up the slack" for the Afghan army in securing the airport? In case you missed it the entire Afghan government collapsed thanks to Biden's incompetence. The members of Afghan's army have no government to report to and will most likely be executed once the Taliban get their hands on them...so...what exactly do they owe the US and why should they be protecting the airport?

Are you suggesting the lives of brown Afghan military personnel are expendable in order to save white lives? That's not a question because it's clear to anyone with two brain cells to rub together that you're suggesting exactly that, because you're a fucking racist piece of shit.

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I particularly enjoy the Conservashit line that Biden would be a better President if he undid all of Trumps negotiations in Afghanistan.

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Trump set a May 1st conditional withdrawal deadline. Biden literally did not follow the agreed to conditions, Biden used a cut and run strategy then lied about everything being fine.

Only a moron would to try and defend Biden at this point.

Personally I don't support sending more troops in at this point because this administration is so fucking bad that it will surely make things even worse. It's probably best that this administration stick to making woke tiktok videos for the next 3 1/2 years.

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Why shouldn't the US military "pick up the slack" for the Afghan army in securing the airport? In case you missed it the entire Afghan government collapsed thanks to Biden's incompetence. The members of Afghan's army have no government to report to and will most likely be executed once the Taliban get their hands on them...so...what exactly do they owe the US and why should they be protecting the airport?

Are you suggesting the lives of brown Afghan military personnel are expendable in order to save white lives? That's not a question because it's clear to anyone with two brain cells to rub together that you're suggesting exactly that, because you're a fucking racist piece of shit.

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See, you are a coward, failing to acknowledge the American cost of what you're blaming Biden for failing to accomplish. Blame blame blame without any concept of reality. This is why you're just another ignorant Conservashit cock holster. Grow up and understand reality, rather than spending your day finger banging your slut factory to white nationalist Tucker Carlson.

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Trump set a May 1st conditional withdrawal deadline. Biden literally did not follow the agreed to conditions, Biden used a cut and run strategy then lied about everything being fine.

Only a moron would to try and defend Biden at this point.

Personally I don't support sending more troops in at this point because this administration is so fucking bad that it will surely make things even worse. It's probably best that this administration stick to making woke tiktok videos for the next 3 1/2 years.

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That is HILARIOUS. Biden didn't follow through with what conditions exactly? Did you read the Agreement? Pompeo on behalf of Trump agreed that American forces would flee the country, and in turn the Taliban would not shoot our troops. That is basically it. If you're arguing that Biden failed to remove all American troops by 5/1, then you're completely ignorant of the amount of logistics it takes to decamp thousands of troops and tens of thousands of support personnel between 01/20/2021 and 5/1/2021 -- which Trump didn't even start. If Biden /HAD/ literally removed all American troops and civilians by 5/1, then Afghanistan would be in far worse shape.

Trump set up Afghanistan's failure by making a bogus agreement, failing to live up to it or even begin the groundwork for honoring it and left the pieces of the country for Biden to fix. Congratulations, you're almost a hypocritical as Dreaven!

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See, you are a coward, failing to acknowledge the American cost of what you're blaming Biden for failing to accomplish.

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Let's try this again...

Why shouldn't the US military "pick up the slack" for the Afghan army in securing the airport? In case you missed it the entire Afghan government collapsed thanks to Biden's incompetence. The members of Afghan's army have no government to report to and will most likely be executed once the Taliban get their hands on them...so...what exactly do they owe the US and why should they be protecting the airport?

Are you suggesting the lives of brown Afghan military personnel are expendable in order to save white lives? That's not a question because it's clear to anyone with two brain cells to rub together that you're suggesting exactly that, because you're a fucking racist piece of shit.

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Biden said the Afghan army gave up, implying they were all cowards who didn't care about their own country.
Some of those Afghan soldiers are now risking their lives helping Americans evacuate.
One of them was killed in a gunfight today.

Rather than telling Biden off for being the soulless ghoul that he is you are once again giving me shit for giving Biden the shit he rightly deserves.

Remember this entire fucking mess is all on Biden. No one told him to fuck up the withdrawal this bad.

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So you think them holding the country for less than a week means they deserve a participation trophy? Call it what it was. A systematic failure of their government from the top down combined with the failure of our military (and commander in chief) to plan for the worst case scenario.

Let's be nice to the people who took our money and handed their country back to the Taliban. Damn you Biden for....saying mean things. Lol

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So you think them holding the country for less than a week means they deserve a participation trophy?

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They are risking their lives to help ensure US citizens can escape the country, the absolute least we can do is not have a leader say they all gave up and didn't care and imply they are cowards as they die to help us.

Remember when you cried because Trump said he didn't like McCain because he got captured? This is like a gajillion times worse, but you don't care because you're such a phony "conservative."

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Let's try this again...

Why shouldn't the US military "pick up the slack" for the Afghan army in securing the airport? In case you missed it the entire Afghan government collapsed thanks to Biden's incompetence. The members of Afghan's army have no government to report to and will most likely be executed once the Taliban get their hands on them...so...what exactly do they owe the US and why should they be protecting the airport?

Are you suggesting the lives of brown Afghan military personnel are expendable in order to save white lives? That's not a question because it's clear to anyone with two brain cells to rub together that you're suggesting exactly that, because you're a fucking racist piece of shit.

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Repeating the same lies, assumptions and hyperbole doesn't make any of it less incorrect, at least your consistent with your ignorance. Any fault of the Afghanistan government's failure to lead is it's fault. Any failure on part of the Afghanistan military due to poor leadership from it's parent government, is also the Afghanistan governments fault. Tens of billions of dollars in wages and supplies stolen by Afghanistan commanders is again, the fault of the Afghanistan military AND their parent government.

Absolutely /none/ of this is the responsibility of the American government to insure, secure, guarantee or promise. You're doing your level best to praise the warlords and despots who fled the country with American treasure all to try and paint Biden in a bad light and that is the worst kind of political gaslighting. What kind of patriot are you exactly? Surely not American, because you couldn't hate our country more.

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In case you missed it the entire Afghan government collapsed thanks to Biden's incompetence.

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The Afghan government was going to fall the second the USA left no matter what. Whether we left last week or a year from now, no matter what it wasn't going to be pretty for the Afghan government. Seems like they, as a whole, didn't want what we were selling.

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They are risking their lives to help ensure US citizens can escape the country, the absolute least we can do is not have a leader say they all gave up and didn't care and imply they are cowards as they die to help us.

Remember when you cried because Trump said he didn't like McCain because he got captured? This is like a gajillion times worse, but you don't care because you're such a phony "conservative."

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Where was this compassion when we left the Kurds to the wolves?

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They are risking their lives to help ensure US citizens can escape the country, the absolute least we can do is not have a leader say they all gave up and didn't care and imply they are cowards as they die to help us.

Remember when you cried because Trump said he didn't like McCain because he got captured? This is like a gajillion times worse, but you don't care because you're such a phony "conservative."

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Trump called McCain weak for getting captured, implying that a decorated American war hero and officer was somehow less for the time he served. What you're doing is /far/ worse. Trying to argue our servicemen and women should prop up a failed country at risk of injury and mortal harm because it's government disappeared overnight. Worse yet, you don't even care about the people you're supposedly championing, you just want to make Biden look bad.

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That is HILARIOUS. Biden didn't follow through with what conditions exactly? Did you read the Agreement? Pompeo on behalf of Trump agreed that American forces would flee the country, and in turn the Taliban would not shoot our troops. That is basically it. If you're arguing that Biden failed to remove all American troops by 5/1, then you're completely ignorant of the amount of logistics it takes to decamp thousands of troops and tens of thousands of support personnel between 01/20/2021 and 5/1/2021 -- which Trump didn't even start. If Biden /HAD/ literally removed all American troops and civilians by 5/1, then Afghanistan would be in far worse shape.

Trump set up Afghanistan's failure by making a bogus agreement, failing to live up to it or even begin the groundwork for honoring it and left the pieces of the country for Biden to fix. Congratulations, you're almost a hypocritical as Dreaven!

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A. We weren't out by 5/1. So WE broke the agreement.

B. Biden shouldn't have ran if he couldn't do the job.

C. I don't give a fuck if the Taliban has control of Afghanistan. I do give a fuck that we left civilians behind.

In all honesty there are 2 administrations that are at fault for this. Bush for getting us in and Obama for not getting out after Osama was killed.

More woke Tiktok videos, please.

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Repeating the same lies, assumptions and hyperbole

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Which "lies, assumptions and hyperbole" am I "repeating" again?

You're falling apart, my man. Who knew having to defend all of the fucked up and horrible shit Biden does would take such a toll on the human mind? Seek help.

Between 50 - 60,000 Afghan military lost their lives defending against the Taliban since our invasion.

What a bunch of cowards.

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The Afghan government was going to fall the second the USA left no matter what.

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We don't know that for sure. What we do know for sure is the Afghan government fell in a week after Biden bungled this withdraw.

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Where was this compassion when we left the Kurds to the wolves?

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I don't recall Trump saying the Kurds weren't trying and heavily implied they were cowards. Your attempt to deflect criticism away from Biden is failing badly.

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Between 50 - 60,000 Afghan military lost their lives defending against the Taliban since our invasion.

What a bunch of cowards.

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According to Seran their lives are expendable though if it means white lives are saved. You know, because alt-leftists such as he aren't racists.

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We don't know that for sure.

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Yes, we do.

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I don't recall Trump saying the Kurds weren't trying and heavily implied they were cowards.

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I remember him criticizing the Kurds because they weren't at Normandy during WW2.

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Yes, we do.

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Trump wrote "The Art of the Deal", I think he can manage something as simple as negotiating a peace deal in a Middle Eastern country between a democratic government, local tribal warlords, and a religious fanatical terrorist group.

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Trump wrote "The Art of the Deal"

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That was Tony Schwartz.

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We don't know that for sure. What we do know for sure is the Afghan government fell in a week after Biden bungled this withdraw.

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Dozens of reports, testimony from multiple top generals and state department officials, books literally written by the same folks outlining how Afghanistan would fall without the US. Everyone sees it as a foregone conclusion except Comservashits who care only about white nationals and suddenly people in Afghanistan.

The only failure is not leaving that country in 2002 when the Taliban was overthrown.

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Dozens of reports, testimony from multiple top generals and state department officials, books literally written by the same folks outlining how Afghanistan would fall without the US. Everyone sees it as a foregone conclusion except Comservashits who care only about white nationals and suddenly people in Afghanistan.

The only failure is not leaving that country in 2002 when the Taliban was overthrown.

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Oh good you're still here. So what did I lie about again in regards to Biden heavily implying the Afghan military were a bunch of cowards as they risk their lives and give their lives to help defend US citizens at the airport?

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Oh good you're still here. So what did I lie about again in regards to Biden heavily implying the Afghan military were a bunch of cowards as they risk their lives and give their lives to help defend US citizens at the airport?

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https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2009...0383357/?ur3=1

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American troops have observed Afghan soldiers cowering in ditches whenever shooting breaks out and say they have seen them routinely stealing U.S.-supplied fuel, equipment and weapons, the military newspaper Stars and Stripes reported Wednesday.

It said some U.S. troops also suspect their Afghan counterparts of collaborating with Taliban insurgents. There also are concerns about rampant corruption as the top U.S. commander in Afghanistan, Army Gen. Stanley McChrystal, has set a goal of doubling Afghan forces to 400,000 within four years.

"I do not feel I am a mentor here," Capt. Jason Douthwaite, a U.S. logistics officer, told Stars and Stripes. "I feel like I am an investigating officer. It's not, 'Let me teach you your job.' It's more like, 'How much did you steal from the American government today?'"

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http://www.ipsnews.net/2009/11/polit...-us-war-plans/

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One in every four combat soldiers quit the Afghan National Army (ANA) during the year ending in September, published data by the U.S. Defence Department and the Inspector General for Reconstruction in Afghanistan reveals.

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Calling the organization on the whole cowardly and corrupt isn't inaccurate or even really controversial.

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Calling the organization on the whole cowardly and corrupt isn't inaccurate or even really controversial.

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So I guess the Afghan soldiers who got killed and wounded today as they were helping to protect US civilians were just a bunch of cowards.

Democrats have gone from "Trump is the worst president ever for criticizing McCain!" to "It's totally cool if Biden wants to heavily imply the entire Afghan army are a bunch of cowards."

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So I guess the Afghan soldiers who got killed and wounded today as they were helping to protect US civilians were just a bunch of cowards.

Democrats have gone from "Trump is the worst president ever for criticizing McCain!" to "It's totally cool if Biden wants to heavily imply the entire Afghan army are a bunch of cowards."

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You wanna re-read and try to understand what I wrote or nah

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You wanna re-read and try to understand what I wrote or nah

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Over 60k Afghan military and national police died fighting the Taliban since our invasion of the country. So no, I don't think it's fair to say the organization as a whole is cowardly. I'm sure there were plenty of cowards and plenty of corruption going on, but that's a mighty broad stroke you and Biden are painting with there.

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Over 60k Afghan military and national police died fighting the Taliban since our invasion of the country. So no, I don't think it's fair to say the organization as a whole is cowardly. I'm sure there were plenty of cowards and plenty of corruption going on, but that's a mighty broad stroke you and Biden are painting with there.

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I guess you would know, what with your personal experience training and living with these guys.

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Over 60k Afghan military and national police died fighting the Taliban since our invasion of the country. So no, I don't think it's fair to say the organization as a whole is cowardly. I'm sure there were plenty of cowards and plenty of corruption going on, but that's a mighty broad stroke you and Biden are painting with there.

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That's the nature of war people getting hurt an people dying. The important thing to remember is its not our war any longer, nor our responsibility to keep corruption in that country in check. Six months from now when our military outlays drop by tens of billions of dollars I'm sure the only ones upset will be the defense manufacturers.

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That's the nature of war people getting hurt an people dying.

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So are they cowards or not?

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I guess you would know, what with your personal experience training and living with these guys.

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And the British member of parliament who did train and fight with these men said Biden's remarks were bullshit, and considering there are still Afghan soldiers helping to protect the airport so US citizens can evacuate that shithole leads me to believe they aren't all a bunch of cowards who fled when things got tough.

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And the British member of parliament who did train and fight with these men said Biden's remarks were bullshit, and considering there are still Afghan soldiers helping to protect the airport so US citizens can evacuate that shithole leads me to believe they aren't all a bunch of cowards who fled when things got tough.

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Which British MP are you talking about? Tom Tugendhat? Everything I've read about him suggests he is one of the middle management types who perpetuated the myth that everything was A-OK in Afghanistan, just please send more money. What a shock to his worldview it must been to have Afghanistan exposed for the tire fire it always was.

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So are they cowards or not?

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Some are, some are not. Is it necessary in your evil little world that everything is or is not one thing. Or does your ability to rationalize come to grips with plurality.

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Some are, some are not. Is it necessary in your evil little world that everything is or is not one thing. Or does your ability to rationalize come to grips with plurality.

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In other words, the Leftist is still tap dancing around things so they can't be pinned down to a losing position. The theory is, you can't be wrong if you never take a position. Good job there.

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In other words, the Leftist is still tap dancing around things so they can't be pinned down to a losing position. The theory is, you can't be wrong if you never take a position. Good job there.

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Blah blah blah, I like Dreaven have no concept of plurality. Please step into my verbal trap so I can make a zinger!

Suggested listening:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_alstLc_NfE

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In other words, the Leftist is still tap dancing around things so they can't be pinned down to a losing position. The theory is, you can't be wrong if you never take a position. Good job there.

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I'd still like you to define leftist - this is the third or fourth time asking. In your head, what makes someone a leftist?

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I'd still like you to define leftist - this is the third or fourth time asking. In your head, what makes someone a leftist?

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Socialism
Defund the Police
Abolish ICE
Open Borders
Big Government
Single Payer Healthcare
Equality of outcome
Anti-gun
Anti voter ID laws
Pro Choice

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Socialism
Defund the Police
Abolish ICE
Open Borders
Big Government
Single Payer Healthcare
Equality of outcome
Anti-gun
Anti voter ID laws
Pro Choice

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I'm aware of what normal people assume is leftist.

He calls anyone that that disagrees with him, so I was curious what his fatass thinks a leftist is.

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Socialism
Defund the Police
Abolish ICE
Open Borders
Big Government
Single Payer Healthcare
Equality of outcome
Anti-gun
Anti voter ID laws
Pro Choice

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That's a good list, I would add the current trend of believe the science when it suits them re-vaccines and ignore it when it conflicts re-gender and transitioning children.
Also would add the current pushing of an agenda that is step by step, point for point the equal of the rise of the Nazi party in pre-war Germany.

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I'm aware of what normal people assume is leftist.

He calls anyone that that disagrees with him, so I was curious what his fatass thinks a leftist is.

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I don't but you keep trying to lie and gaslight that you aren't a Leftist and I call you out on it so your little fees fees get hurt so you continue with diatribes. Now fuck off.

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That's a good list, I would add the current trend of believe the science when it suits them re-vaccines and ignore it when it conflicts re-gender and transitioning children.
Also would add the current pushing of an agenda that is step by step, point for point the equal of the rise of the Nazi party in pre-war Germany.

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I'm sorry-what "science" supports the idea that trans children don't exist and shouldn't be transitioned ever?

You understand that transitioning is a medical procedure that required the fields of psychology and medicine to arrive at scientific consensus for it to be legal, right? You're actually the one who can't deal with science.

And by the way, Nazism is and was a far right, ethno-nationalist authoritarian political movement. It bears no resemblance to the center left American democrats. Case and point, American neo-nazis vote Republican you idiot.

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I don't but you keep trying to lie and gaslight that you aren't a Leftist and I call you out on it so your little fees fees get hurt so you continue with diatribes. Now fuck off.

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What? Lol. You can't even point to more than one of those positions I personally have.

You're inability to understand what you're calling people doesn't hurt my feelings, in fact it's hilarious.

I'm sorry, what "science" supports the idea that men can breastfeed?

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I'm sorry, what "science" supports the idea that men can breastfeed?

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If the only way you can figure out how to contribute in a conversation is to change the subject with an intentional distortion of a point made years ago, then you have less than nothing to offer.

It's a tacit acknowledgement that you know I'm right and have no way to counter it.

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change the subject with an intentional distortion of a point made years ago

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There is no distortion here. You literally said men can breastfeed. You then have the utter nerve to claim you "follow the science" and you think the two aren't related at all. Give me a break.

Remember when you said other cultures have more than two genders and tap danced around the question when I asked you several times if scientists actually researched how they have distinct genders that no other culture has?

Face it, you only "follow the science" when it suits your agenda.

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I'm sorry, what "science" supports the idea that men can breastfeed?

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There is no distortion here. You literally said men can breastfeed. You then have the utter nerve to claim you "follow the science" and you think the two aren't related at all. Give me a break.

Remember when you said other cultures have more than two genders and tap danced around the question when I asked you several times if scientists actually researched how they have distinct genders that no other culture has?

Face it, you only "follow the science" when it suits your agenda.

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Umm, biology does.

https://www.babycenter.com/baby/brea...reastfeed_8824

Yes, in theory, men can breastfeed. Male breasts have milk ducts, and some mammary tissue. They also have oxytocin and prolactin, the hormones responsible for milk production. There have been reports of men who were able to produce milk through extensive breast and nipple stimulation, but no one knows whether the milk was of the same composition or quality as the kind women produce.

I guess biologically it is possible for men to breast feed.

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There is no distortion here. You literally said men can breastfeed. You then have the utter nerve to claim you "follow the science" and you think the two aren't related at all. Give me a break.

Remember when you said other cultures have more than two genders and tap danced around the question when I asked you several times if scientists actually researched how they have distinct genders that no other culture has?

Face it, you only "follow the science" when it suits your agenda.

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India has 3 or 4 genders at the very least. Dozens more depending who you ask. Just cause you think it's weird doesn't mean it's not a thing.

Thailand has 3, or as many as 18 depending who you asked.

Your point of view has no influence on their gender identity.

They do not require your acceptance or understanding in order to be.

Don't be dumb sparky.

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Umm, biology does.

https://www.babycenter.com/baby/brea...reastfeed_8824

Yes, in theory, men can breastfeed. Male breasts have milk ducts, and some mammary tissue. They also have oxytocin and prolactin, the hormones responsible for milk production. There have been reports of men who were able to produce milk through extensive breast and nipple stimulation, but no one knows whether the milk was of the same composition or quality as the kind women produce.

I guess biologically it is possible for men to breast feed.

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Dude, stop. She claimed there was some tribe where the men would breastfeed the babies while the woman did other shit. That's not "Ackchyually.....it's theoretically possible for men to produce a couple of drops of milk...."

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India has 3 or 4 genders at the very least. Dozens more depending who you ask.

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That's great. So I'll ask you the same question I asked time4fun and never got a answer for: Have scientists researched these 3 or 4 genders to find out what makes them distinct from the traditional two genders literally the rest of the world is familiar with? Or did they just decide they were different genders?

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Dude, stop. She claimed there was some tribe where the men would breastfeed the babies while the woman did other shit. That's not "Ackchyually.....it's theoretically possible for men to produce a couple of drops of milk...."

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Well, that wasn’t mentioned in your post, was it? Your post said “You literally said men can breastfeed.” Implying that they can not.

I posted a link that shows they can.

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Umm, biology does.

https://www.babycenter.com/baby/brea...reastfeed_8824

Yes, in theory, men can breastfeed. Male breasts have milk ducts, and some mammary tissue. They also have oxytocin and prolactin, the hormones responsible for milk production. There have been reports of men who were able to produce milk through extensive breast and nipple stimulation, but no one knows whether the milk was of the same composition or quality as the kind women produce.

I guess biologically it is possible for men to breast feed.

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no one knows

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Did your dad breastfeed you, Greg?

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That's great. So I'll ask you the same question I asked time4fun and never got a answer for: Have scientists researched these 3 or 4 genders to find out what makes them distinct from the traditional two genders literally the rest of the world is familiar with? Or did they just decide they were different genders?

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Imo this entire gender argument is fucking stupid. Just go by sex at birth, problem solved. Who gives a fuck what people “label” themselves as. It should be irrelevant.
In the Olympics, bathrooms etc etc. gender should play ZERO fucking role, only biological sex at birth.

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Well, that wasn’t mentioned in your post, was it? Your post said “You literally said men can breastfeed.” Implying that they can not.

I posted a link that shows they can.

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This is how humanity dies. People like Tim4malelactation and Solkern removing their genitalia and having men breastfeed the children.

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This is how humanity dies. People like Tim4malelactation and Solkern removing their genitalia and having men breastfeed the children.

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Yes yes, by me showing that it’s biologically possible, means that I 100% support men breastfeeding their children!

You took a big fucking leap of I don’t even know what, to get to that conclusion. You seriously need to put down the crack pipe.

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Imo this entire gender argument is fucking stupid. Just go by sex at birth, problem solved. Who gives a fuck what people “label” themselves as. It should be irrelevant.
In the Olympics, bathrooms etc etc. gender should play ZERO fucking role, only biological sex at birth.

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I agree.

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Yes yes, by me showing that it’s biologically possible, means that I 100% support men breastfeeding their children!

You took a big fucking leap of I don’t even know what, to get to that conclusion. You seriously need to put down the crack pipe.

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Your child will starve to death no matter how much you stimulate your nipples, Greg.

Do you water your plants with Gatorade too?

70,000 evacuated from the Kabul airport in the past week, epic. Our military has had a command performance thus far and with a reported 1,500 Americans left in the country, scarcely 10% of the original figure it looks like success is near.

No surprises that the briefing generals and stage department reps have been cagey on just how those outside of Kabul will be taken home from the country, I'm guessing as little information as possible to the Taliban is their goal.

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70,000 evacuated from the Kabul airport in the past week, epic. Our military has had a command performance thus far and with a reported 1,500 Americans left in the country, scarcely 10% of the original figure it looks like success is near.

No surprises that the briefing generals and stage department reps have been cagey on just how those outside of Kabul will be taken home from the country, I'm guessing as little information as possible to the Taliban is their goal.

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This has been an absolute cluster fuck from day 1.

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This has been an absolute cluster fuck from day 1.

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How dare they succeed!

Seran is so desperate to turn this complete failure into a success.

The absolute bare minimum Biden can do is to get every American and Afghan who helped us evacuated unharmed and not leave anyone behind and he MIGHT accomplish this goal.

Bravo!

Like why were there even American citizens hanging out in a fucking country in the middle of a civil war. That's the part I don't get.

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Like why were there even American citizens hanging out in a fucking country in the middle of a civil war. That's the part I don't get.

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Pretty sure most of them were contractors or aid workers or worked at the embassy. I doubt very many were just there for shits and giggles.

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Seran is so desperate to turn this complete failure into a success.

The absolute bare minimum Biden can do is to get every American and Afghan who helped us evacuated unharmed and not leave anyone behind and he MIGHT accomplish this goal.

Bravo!

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Please, find a way to turn a positive into a negative for your political nonsense.

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Please, find a way to turn a positive into a negative for your political nonsense.

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It's great that Biden might actually accomplish the bare minimum, the fact that the White House wants props for this (and here you are to give it to them) after the hell they have put these people through is mind boggling.

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It's great that Biden might actually accomplish the bare minimum, the fact that the White House wants props for this (and here you are to give it to them) after the hell they have put these people through is mind boggling.

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You get an E for effort there. Biden's finishing the pullout despite being handed an absolute shithole of a problem despite international pressure. All of the G-7 countries who want us to stay are welcome to stay in Afghanistan, America is out.

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Biden's finishing the pullout

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Yes, he might accomplish the bare minimum. The administration won't even say how many Americans are still trapped in Afghanistan and you're already saying Biden will accomplish the bare minimum. Calm down.

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You get an E for effort there. Biden's finishing the pullout despite being handed an absolute shithole of a problem despite international pressure. All of the G-7 countries who want us to stay are welcome to stay in Afghanistan, America is out.

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Except we begged the G-7 to join us in Afghanistan.

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Yes, he might accomplish the bare minimum. The administration won't even say how many Americans are still trapped in Afghanistan and you're already saying Biden will accomplish the bare minimum. Calm down.

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Umm, yeah they did today, 1,500 Americans either by citizenship or by visa. That ain't much considering it was 15,000. Get your facts straight.

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Except we begged the G-7 to join us in Afghanistan.

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Twenty years ago. Majority of the cost belonging to us with minimal NATO contributions. Yeah, bye bye forever war.

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Twenty years ago. Majority of the cost belonging to us with minimal NATO contributions. Yeah, bye bye forever war.

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Sadly, no, it is just a relocation of the war from over there to anywhere. And with loads of state of the art weaponry.

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Umm, yeah they did today, 1,500 Americans either by citizenship or by visa. That ain't much considering it was 15,000. Get your facts straight.

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Even the NYT isn't buying your bullshit.

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At least 1,500 American citizens remain in Afghanistan with just days left before the scheduled U.S. withdrawal from the country, but officials on Wednesday acknowledged the reality that tens of thousands of Afghan allies and others at high risk of Taliban reprisals would be left behind.

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Oh gee. AT LEAST 1500 American citizens are still in Afghanistan and the Biden administration will leave tens of thousands of Afghans who helped us behind. So I was wrong, he isn't even doing the bare minimum.

And here's the Washington Post:

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Secretary of State Antony Blinken said Wednesday that there could be as many as 1,500 Americans in Afghanistan still seeking to leave as U.S. officials continue to move personnel out of the country ahead of an Aug. 31 deadline. About 6,000 Americans have been evacuated from the country since Aug. 14, he said.

U.S. diplomats have been in touch with about 500 Americans still seeking to leave Afghanistan, and were “aggressively reaching out” to 1,000 more, “multiple times a day through multiple channels,” Blinken said.

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So, no, they don't know, they are just guessing it's at least 1500. Also 6000 Americans have been evacuated since August 14th, not 15k.

Get your facts straight.

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Even the NYT isn't buying your bullshit.



Oh gee. AT LEAST 1500 American citizens are still in Afghanistan and the Biden administration will leave tens of thousands of Afghans who helped us behind. So I was wrong, he isn't even doing the bare minimum.

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And what exactly? Thousands of Afghan nationals helped our country and was paid and now the US is helping massive numbers of family members relocate. More than 70,000 have been air lifted out and if the rest stay, so? United States doesn't owe a universal duty to extended families of foreign national employees. You pretend you care but that veneer of sincerity smells like cheap paint.

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And what exactly?

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And you were wrong, as per usual.

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More than 70,000 have been air lifted out and if the rest stay, so? United States doesn't owe a universal duty to extended families of foreign national employees.

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You're so heartless. These aren't just random Afghans. They were Afghans who offered to help the US knowing full well their life would be put in danger but were promised safety if they helped us. And now in your callous attempt to defend the demented ghoul in the White House at any cost you're just like "Eh. So what?"

https://www.yahoo.com/news/afghanist...110000057.html

Why does Joe Biden support the stoning of people in the LGBTQ community???

This must be what Joe meant when he said "Build, Back, Better". Is this what he meant? It must be, he said it!

Joe hates POCs and homosexuals. Otherwise he wouldn't let stoning happen! He's a racist and homophobe!




My impression of a Lefty. /bow

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Please, find a way to turn a positive into a negative for your political nonsense.

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Aren't you literally attempting the exact opposite.. for political nonsense?

It's like you don't see it.

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You get an E for effort there. Biden's finishing the pullout despite being handed an absolute shithole of a problem despite international pressure. All of the G-7 countries who want us to stay are welcome to stay in Afghanistan, America is out.

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What are you even talking about at this point? The G7 countries fully support Biden's decision... I know this because he said so in a news conference.

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You're so heartless. These aren't just random Afghans. They were Afghans who offered to help the US knowing full well their life would be put in danger but were promised safety if they helped us. And now in your callous attempt to defend the demented ghoul in the White House at any cost you're just like "Eh. So what?"

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Yea, but in Seran's mind.. they are dispensable brown people so they don't count...

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Yea, but in Seran's mind.. they are dispensable brown people so they don't count...

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They are brown and don't vote Democrat so of course he doesn't care.

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And you were wrong, as per usual.

You're so heartless. These aren't just random Afghans. They were Afghans who offered to help the US knowing full well their life would be put in danger but were promised safety if they helped us. And now in your callous attempt to defend the demented ghoul in the White House at any cost you're just like "Eh. So what?"

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Thousands, tens of thousand of people die worldwide in atrocious conditions and you give no fucks for them beyond what is politically expediate for your demented partisanship. Wake up to the reality that our country owes a duty to our own citizens first and foremost and babysitting a third world nation that failed itself is not our problem.

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Thousands, tens of thousand of people die worldwide in atrocious conditions and you give no fucks for them beyond what is politically expediate for your demented partisanship. Wake up to the reality that our country owes a duty to our own citizens first and foremost and babysitting a third world nation that failed itself is not our problem.

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We can confirm that the explosion at the Abbey Gate was the result of a complex attack that resulted in a number of US & civilian casualties. We can also confirm at least one other explosion at or near the Baron Hotel, a short distance from Abbey Gate. We will continue to update.

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https://twitter.com/PentagonPresSec/...07314043719683

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-p...on-2021-08-26/