Diablo III

[Atlanteax]

http://www.mmo-champion.com/content/3387-Blizzard-closes-down-Diablo-3-Auction-House


When we initially designed and implemented the auction houses, the driving goal was to provide a convenient and secure system for trades. But as we've mentioned on different occasions, it became increasingly clear that despite the benefits of the AH system and the fact that many players around the world use it, it ultimately undermines Diablo's core game play: kill monsters to get cool loot. With that in mind, we want to let everyone know that we've decided to remove the gold and real-money auction house system from Diablo III.

Wait wait wait... Blizzard is listening to the dedicated players?!?

This seems like a good move in preparing the game for a 'fresh start' with the eventual expansion.

-1 for Activision Greed, +1 for GamePlay

In the meantime, I wonder if we will learn how much $$ the RMAH earned for Activision Greed, and if there were players who were able to 'make a living' off the RHMAH.

Further, I had the impression that some form of RMAH was intended for SC2, with the map-based workshop system (players whose maps were heavily downloaded would make a little $$, with Blizzard getting the rest), but that got scrapped long ago (as no additional $$ are involved, as far as I last knew). Someone who plays SC2 heavily probably could shed light on this.

[Atlanteax]

Oh, I just had a conspiracy theory thought ... what if this move was more about reducing server-related expenses on Blizzard/Activision's part ... where cost has recently been exceeding the $$ revenue from the RMAH.

With this announcement making a significant portion of the player-base happy (particularly the purists), it comes off as a win-win ... that could had been planned all along?

Then again, it could just simply be a PR move to support sales of the Expansion once it is out.

[subzero]

Fired up El Diablo a couple days ago expecting 2.0 to have been live for a while now... it wasn't. However, a day or two later they actually released it. So far I'm diggin it. The loot and paragon changes are pretty good, as well as the difficulty options (no longer level-based normal, hell, inferno, whatever they were; pick a difficulty, mobs are level appropriate, and you can change difficulties whenever joo want). Within an hour or so I found my first D3 set piece and a legendary while messing around on the Witch Doctor. Since then, I started leveling the wizard and from 8-35 I've found 5-6 legendaries. Most of'em aren't anything too special, but the amulet I found has a pretty kickass proc that I'd like to find on a higher level piece. The proc has a chance to put four charges on me when I hit something nearby (including destructibles) that cause an explosion when mobs get near me. May not be the greatest of items, but it's pretty fun either way.

TLDR; time to give Diablo 3 another run.

[subzero]

First pack of mobs today = Blackguard, hour later = Mirrorball:

http://i.imgur.com/6AGIpuk.jpg

Also, here's one of these guys for imageshack for making you have to pay to host images now: :loser:

[Loyrl]

Got on the past few days and it has been pretty fun. Got a few upgrades on my SC Wizard and HC DH. Something I'll keep playing for a while again.

[Whirlin]

I dunno, I picked up Path of Exile recently, which managed to scratch my Diablo itch a little bit... Maybe I'll give this a shot for a while though.

[Loyrl]

Pretty sure my tag is Loyrl#1904 I have a paragon 50 wizard on normal that I run Torment 2 on and a paragon 21 Demon Hunter on hardcore, I am not touching Torment until I get a lot of upgrades on this char.

[Whirlin]

Ok... interesting changes...

And holy crap at inflation on the AH! I bought a windforce for 150k before I stopped playing last time, and now they're selling for 150m.

With a Blizzard expansion imminent, I may sell everything I can on AH, and then just use lolDrops to hold me over til the new cap. Since if they're true to every WOW expansion ever, the level 61 white items will be equivalent to level 60 legendary.

[Tgo01]

And holy crap at inflation on the AH! I bought a windforce for 150k before I stopped playing last time, and now they're selling for 150m.

I noticed that too when I played again for a little bit a few months ago. I read up on it and apparently for a while there was a way to dupe gold on the AH. Something like you could put gold up for sale on the AH then cancel the auction and you would get your gold yet the gold was still up for auction so you could cancel it again. Something like that I dunno.

So of course players duped trillions of gold and sold a lot of it for real money before Blizzard noticed the bug and fixed it.

The first thing Blizzard did was roll back the servers to before the point where everyone started duping gold and they refunded everyone's real money who had bought duped gold.

LOL! Naww just kidding about that last sentence. Blizzard said "Hey thanks for the transaction fees, enjoy your duped gold that is basically worthless now."

[Whirlin]

Maybe they need a CCF to reduce the amount of gold in the Diablo economy.

[Jarvan]

Once the AH is taken away it won't matter really.

[SHAFT]

Once the AH is taken away it won't matter really.

The game will be more enjoyable with no AH. Make me find my fucking loot!

[Taernath]

It's a combination of duping, having no real gold sinks, and the upcoming removal of the entire AH which is causing so much inflation.

[Methais]

I thought it was just the real money AH that was going away?

Oh well, no AH at all in a game like this is better anyway.

[subzero]

They're both getting scrapped. Kind of sucks about the gold duping, but whatever. I wondered how people ended up with so much considering I've only got around 1.5M. Granted I haven't played near as much as some (massive paragon level 8 and one lvl 60!), I'm sure, but 150M for a single item seems pretty steep.

[Gawyane]

I got a green set ring in inferno that I sold for about 18 million back in summer of 2012. Just started playing again and that same ring now lists for over a billion lol. Shoulda waited!

[Jarvan]

The game will be more enjoyable with no AH. Make me find my fucking loot!

people will just sell gold and some items the old fashioned way.

[Sorcasaurus]

Wow, this thread sparked my interest enough to go read the patch notes. Seems crazy how much they changed some of the skills, at least for the Barbarian. Weapon dmg going from 180% to 600+% in some cases. Is the game just easy now, or is it just more forgiving in build/gear?

I ground the crap out of the game, and beat inferno fairly early. I can't say it was fun at the time, but DII got it's hooks in me deep enough I still get cravings. May be re-installing this tonight

[Jarvan]

Well.. I never played to far into the game myself. Beat the game on normal. Played a bit beyond that. Currently 42. All I do know is that mobs drop so many rares now they should be called uncommons. Hell, whites are fucking rare.

[Tgo01]

Is the game just easy now, or is it just more forgiving in build/gear?

Before they nerfed Inferno I couldn't even get half way through act 3. A few months ago I was playing again and I killed Diablo on Inferno fairly easily, with the same gear as I had before I quit.

I haven't played recently with all of these changes to drop rates and what not but I just couldn't get back in the game. I played for about a week and the paragon levels were fun for a while but I dunno. I think I miss the 8 player co-op teams bringing down Baal in D2.

Now it's just 4 players max and people don't really seem to want to play in multiplayer games anymore, it's more of a single player game now and I never liked Diablo as a single player game.

[Sorcasaurus]

The number of players killed me when I was playing. It hurt that it wasn't possible to have 1 of every class in the same game.

Good thing they're adding a class in the expansion. Another class I can leave out.

[Methais]

Well.. I never played to far into the game myself. Beat the game on normal. Played a bit beyond that. Currently 42. All I do know is that mobs drop so many rares now they should be called uncommons. Hell, whites are fucking rare.

http://static4.fjcdn.com/thumbnails/comments/What+_fe0adb0824bdfdb631c1e5481d5e8b9b.jpg

[Jarvan]

http://static4.fjcdn.com/thumbnails/comments/What+_fe0adb0824bdfdb631c1e5481d5e8b9b.jpg

Yeah, Diablo is almost like LA now.

[subzero]

Is the game just easy now, or is it just more forgiving in build/gear?

I ground the crap out of the game, and beat inferno fairly early. I can't say it was fun at the time, but DII got it's hooks in me deep enough I still get cravings. May be re-installing this tonight

I only got up to Ghom on Inferno before the enrage timer told me my gear sucked balls and I haven't tried it yet in 2.0, but will be doing that shortly. My wizard was level 8 when I started up again recently, but I hit 50 last night after killing Diablo on master. So far I've just been increasing difficulty levels as I get better gear and for the most part nothing has been too difficult. I did manage to die a couple times last night in Act IV thanks to a pack of mobs- the incinerators or whatever they are that leave fire patches and the demons that shoot fireballs that track you- coupled with elites with a rough combo of jailer/electrical storm.

I'm guessing if I start back in Act I or II, the first level of inferno won't be too bad, so I'm anticipating trying two or three unless I get whooped early. I'd hope the 5th or 6th (not sure how many there are exactly) level of inferno would be challenging for people with top-level gear, though.


Before they nerfed Inferno I couldn't even get half way through act 3. A few months ago I was playing again and I killed Diablo on Inferno fairly easily, with the same gear as I had before I quit.

I haven't played recently with all of these changes to drop rates and what not but I just couldn't get back in the game. I played for about a week and the paragon levels were fun for a while but I dunno. I think I miss the 8 player co-op teams bringing down Baal in D2.

Now it's just 4 players max and people don't really seem to want to play in multiplayer games anymore, it's more of a single player game now and I never liked Diablo as a single player game.

Paragon levels before weren't so special. Sure, the passive benefit wasn't bad, but now they're account-wide and you can choose benefits from four categories (sort of a round-robin with each level granting a point in one category, then the next) on each character. They can also be changed if you want to mix things up. Probably a pretty nice benefit for people with a high paragon level wanting to start a new character. I only had 8 when I got back into the wizard, so wasn't a big effect for me, though it's better than nothing I guess.

[Whirlin]

I guess they're doing away with the AH completely:
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/9972208129

[Tgo01]

I decided to give the game another go tonight. I gotta admit it's a gajillion times better than it was even just a few months ago. The changes to the skills are awesome. Paragon levels are even more awesome now. The new loot system. It's all gosh dang awesome.

I don't know how long I'll end up playing this time around. I wish this was how the game was released originally instead of the steaming pile of shit they gave us.

I still don't like that we're limited to 4 players per game (pretty sure this is still true) and at this point it almost feels like too little, too late.

I'm having fun at the moment though.

[Loyrl]

Been running friends through T1 on my wizard, so far found quite few upgrades. I loose track of time so fast its like a new game for me. I LIKE IT. My HC DH though needs more DPS or a better build, I bitched about my DPS last night and found a sweet bow...

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[Whirlin]

I just put a 1.3k DPS windforce on the AH last night for like, 35m, because I picked up a 1.2k DPS one, and that's a shit ton of gold! But sadly, it's not HC.

For DH, I've been using the following build:
Entangling Shot w/ Lightning whatever
Rapid fire w/ homing missiles
Active 1: Smoke Screen w/ increased duration... because Survive.
Active 2: Caltraps w/ the crit rate booster
Active 3: Rain of arrows w/ the stun thingy
Active 4: Mark of death w/ Hatred Regen

For latents, I'm using:
Straight +bow damage
The missile damage + random missile launch on attack
Cull the weak, the +20 Damage against slow targets (thus the entangling shot / caltraps)


The damage is pretty much as glass cannon-y as a DH can get... But that's why there's Smoke Screen as your get-out-of-jail free card.
Open by dropping a caltrap, entangling shot once, mark of death, Rapid fire spamspamspam, since homing missiles is chance on hit, and you're firing 100000 times a sec, many missiles. Rotate in an entangling shot once in a while to keep it slowed, and then just run if they get to you, and the caltrap slow will take over. For groups/AoEing, that's why you have the death from above, or whatever it's called.

But realistically, my DH DPS sucks, I think on a caltrap, I'm only pushing like, 78k per the damage calculation on the character screen. While it's realistically a little better, I'm not pushing beyond T1

Wizards seem ridiculously overpowered by comparison.

I also love that paragon levels are per account, and I have a level 5 barbarian that's paragon 50 already. Makes leveling even more of a joke.

[Methais]

What's the latest awesome wizard build?

I've been using a Meteor/Diamond Skin/Spectral Blades/Frost Nova/Explosive Blastbuild for a while now. It's still rocks, but it looks like the skill that reduces all cooldowns by 1 second when you crit has been removed which makes it not quite as awesome but still awesome.

Also what's the best way to do farming runs? Hit Act IV from the beginning, or from a specific quest? Run pony level over and over? I'm way out of touch with this game.

[Drisco]

God, you've made me start playing again :(. I hate this game too.

But I need a new game. I tried getting back into WoW and FFXIV, but they didn't do anything for me (I think I'm done with MMO's). League of Legends is getting old, and now I spend most of my free time just browsing reddit

Anyways, I'm gonna start getting back into my DH.

[Whirlin]

What's the latest awesome wizard build?

I've been using a Meteor/Diamond Skin/Spectral Blades/Frost Nova/Explosive Blastbuild for a while now. It's still rocks, but it looks like the skill that reduces all cooldowns by 1 second when you crit has been removed which makes it not quite as awesome but still awesome.

Also what's the best way to do farming runs? Hit Act IV from the beginning, or from a specific quest? Run pony level over and over? I'm way out of touch with this game.

I can ask the player of Riros for his wizard builds... he just managed to get a Stone of Jordan (still there in D3!), which added like, 21% ice damage... so his build is relatively flexible.
I know he uses archon, that little follower thingy, and like, mana shield/bubble/whatever. He loves crit damage, and relies heavily on Crit -> arcane power builds.

As far as farming goes, if you've completed the entire game, you have the ability to reset your quests. Upon resetting the quests, if you solo up through the Skeleton King (like, 3rd quest in Act 1), that boss has a Guaranteed Legendary drop. EVERYONE in the game needs to be active on that quest, and not have it completed. So, do it solo.

There's speculation that the quest reset function was supposed to guarantee a legendary drop from Diablo, and that it's a bug that it's actually the skeleton king, but, that hasn't been fixed.

In addition to the Act 1 drop, drop rates have been pretty much expanded everywhere. In addition, there's also been supposedly a 'safety net' implemented. The safety net guarantees to drop a legendary after 2 hours of active gameplay. There's some speculation whether or not that's functioning as intended, but that's the design.

But, in general... highest difficulty you can effectively clear quickly + questing through the game = win.

[Taernath]

It's kinda of funny... in 3 hours of playing today I've already gotten more legendaries than the entire time I spent playing beforehand. And they're all useful!

[Kalishar]

Damnit you guys are making me want to play Diablo again.

[Whirlin]

Created a community named Gemstone. Can find it by searching.
Shift O on the main page

I also has a clan. Join the community first though

[Kalishar]

Pretend I've never been to a Diablo 3 community site, where is this page located? :D

[Tgo01]

I don't see the clan :(

I'm in the community though. YAY.

[subzero]

There's speculation that the quest reset function was supposed to guarantee a legendary drop from Diablo, and that it's a bug that it's actually the skeleton king, but, that hasn't been fixed.


No speculation there. The GMs have said it wasn't fixed in time for 2.0, so I'd expect it to be fixed before long. At the end of the day, it doesn't really matter though since you have to complete all the quests before you can reset anyway.

[Sorcasaurus]

Pretend I've never been to a Diablo 3 community site, where is this page located? :D

I'm having a similar problem. Not sure where to join the Gemstone group

[Taernath]

When you log on to D3 your character is standing there on the main screen. Either click the community button on the lower right or hit shift-O to get to the social page, then search communities for "gemstone".

I don't see the clan though.

[Sorcasaurus]

When you log on to D3 your character is standing there on the main screen. Either click the community button on the lower right or hit shift-O to get to the social page, then search communities for "gemstone".

I don't see the clan though.

I've no idea why, but I was thinking I'd do it through the website. Will join tomorrow when I'm home :)

Thank you

[Jarvan]

I have to admit, game seems much better. Looking forward to the crusader myself. I miss my D2 Paladin.

[Sorcasaurus]

I popped in this morning on my 60 Barb and thought it was already more enjoyable. It has me excited to play more this weekend. Torment 3 with the difficulty bar about 2/3s.

how do the ranks of Torment work, is Torment 3 with no added difficulty about the same as Torment 2 with the bar full? I haven't played since they nerfed Inferno, so still catching up on changes

[Taernath]

Oh, the clan Whirlin is in is The Goobies <PLZ>.

[Whirlin]

Gobbie PLZ!

But, once people join the community, I can go down the list and toss out lolClan invites. Just highlights when people get stuffs for obligatory congrats and whatnots.

What's strange though is that even though I didn't see anyone join the community, my "recent players" were showing characters with names like "DarkInurtia", and other seemingly Gemstone players.

[subzero]

I popped in this morning on my 60 Barb and thought it was already more enjoyable. It has me excited to play more this weekend. Torment 3 with the difficulty bar about 2/3s.

how do the ranks of Torment work, is Torment 3 with no added difficulty about the same as Torment 2 with the bar full? I haven't played since they nerfed Inferno, so still catching up on changes

Unless I'm missing something, the slider is what sets your Torment level. There isn't another sub-setting to increase difficulty within the Torment levels.

[Sorcasaurus]

Unless I'm missing something, the slider is what sets your Torment level. There isn't another sub-setting to increase difficulty within the Torment levels.

Honestly it was early and I may have missed the roman numerals changing as I adjusted the slider. I was paying attention to the %'s listed and how they scaled.

[Gizmo]

I was thinking about playing again too on Hardcore, I saw Loryl picked it back up at least and is playing D3 too

[Loyrl]

Yup been playing my meteor wizard on normal (can do T4, but T1-3 are a lot quicker) T1 with full group things still die so fast, and just finished gearing my HC 60 monk enough to level for expansion. Not sure if I am going to level another char, possibly a barb so I can get some gear for a crusader before hand, been having a lot of fun with people in my clan on my wizard. Paragon level 70ish normal, and 30 on HC.

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Loyrl-1904/hero/41281044


My wizard build...
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/wizard#WPOXYh!Yec!ZYZccc

[Drisco]

Does HC drop more Legendary items?

[Loyrl]

No

[Tgo01]

I've actually been having more fun playing this game for the past week than I thought I would. It was fun getting all new upgrades after just playing for a few hours then after that finding a new upgrade every once in a while. Sure beat the old method of playing for days without seeing an upgrade.

But then it hit me last night; all of this loot finding is pretty pointless at the moment considering even the shittiest loot drop at level 70 is probably gonna be better than all of this loot at level 60.

I'll probably still playing a little bit before the expansion for the paragon levels but looking for loot upgrades seems like a waste of time at the moment with the expansion just a couple of weeks away.

[Jhynnifer]

I've actually been having more fun playing this game for the past week than I thought I would. It was fun getting all new upgrades after just playing for a few hours then after that finding a new upgrade every once in a while. Sure beat the old method of playing for days without seeing an upgrade.


I started playing again a week ago and I've been having a blast, then I heard myself say out loud "not another fucking legendary ring" and it hit me just how Wow-like it is now.

[Taernath]

My barbarian was pretty well geared by Hell standards pre-patch got a bunch of upgrades in the first couple hours playing him. But yeah, I'm definitely going to wait until the expansion hits before playing more. I sort of want to make the crusader my main character and I don't want to burn out beforehand.

[Tgo01]

My only problem with legendary ring drops is they seem more random than other drops when it comes to their stars being geared towards the character that found them.

Most drops for my witch doctor are suited for him but rings and amulets usually aren't. That's why I sort of cringe when I see a legendary drop then see it's a ring.

[Danical]

I started playing again. I enjoy it quite a bit. HC only.

Lost my lvl 60 DH to the act 2 keywarden bug. :(

Still have level 60 (p57) wizard/tank build. Although, they nerfed Magic Weapon: Deflection this morning.

I try to join the community tonight.

[Whirlin]

But then it hit me last night; all of this loot finding is pretty pointless at the moment considering even the shittiest loot drop at level 70 is probably gonna be better than all of this loot at level 60.


If you feel like Tgo01 does... then you should join me in Ring Farming!

Because, if gear doesn't mean jack shit, that means all that matters is paragon levels, and eventual leveling-speed.

Basically... Key Farm. Use those keys to summon the Uber-bosses. Kill Uber-bosses for a chance at dropping their organs. Use the organ to summon a special battlefield where you fight all uber-bosses together. Those uber-bosses have a chance of dropping organs.
Use the organs to synth of those HellFire Rings, which have like +35% XP Gain, and other stats. Two Hellfire Rings + XP gem in your helm is basically like, a bajillion extra XP per kill. You'll be at Paragon level Whirlin and Hero Level 70 in like, 2 seconds after the patch hits in two weeks.

[Methais]

If you feel like Tgo01 does... then you should join me in Ring Farming!

Because, if gear doesn't mean jack shit, that means all that matters is paragon levels, and eventual leveling-speed.

Basically... Key Farm. Use those keys to summon the Uber-bosses. Kill Uber-bosses for a chance at dropping their organs. Use the organ to summon a special battlefield where you fight all uber-bosses together. Those uber-bosses have a chance of dropping organs.
Use the organs to synth of those HellFire Rings, which have like +35% XP Gain, and other stats. Two Hellfire Rings + XP gem in your helm is basically like, a bajillion extra XP per kill. You'll be at Paragon level Whirlin and Hero Level 70 in like, 2 seconds after the patch hits in two weeks.

How does the whole key farming thing work? I very vaguely remember it, and by vaguely I mean I remember someone mentioning key farming once.

[Methais]

No

http://www.jesh.com/Simucon2k/Cntrille%20Pics/Ophion.jpg

[Tgo01]

If you feel like Tgo01 does... then you should join me in Ring Farming!

Because, if gear doesn't mean jack shit, that means all that matters is paragon levels, and eventual leveling-speed.

Basically... Key Farm. Use those keys to summon the Uber-bosses. Kill Uber-bosses for a chance at dropping their organs. Use the organ to summon a special battlefield where you fight all uber-bosses together. Those uber-bosses have a chance of dropping organs.
Use the organs to synth of those HellFire Rings, which have like +35% XP Gain, and other stats. Two Hellfire Rings + XP gem in your helm is basically like, a bajillion extra XP per kill. You'll be at Paragon level Whirlin and Hero Level 70 in like, 2 seconds after the patch hits in two weeks.

Sounds good. You organizing these runs? Have room for me? :D

[Johnny Five]

40$ for an expansion? Le sigh, buy torchlight 2. GG.

[Tgo01]

40$ for an expansion? Le sigh, buy torchlight 2. GG.

Yeah I'm kind of pissed at the way expansion packs are going lately. Heck I'm kind of pissed the way "early access" games are going on Steam as well. One game was charging 90 dollars for the luxury of beta testing their game for them.

[Johnny Five]

Wasn't that total annihilation or something? And I agree early access shit sucks. It really just boils down to being a scam. Game isn't progressing, let's just release it, call it done, and walk away.

But they do it, because people keep paying for it. Remember the days of free expansions. lol (Eve Online is king of free expansions)

[Tgo01]

Wasn't that total annihilation or something?

Yup yup.


And I agree early access shit sucks. It really just boils down to being a scam. Game isn't progressing, let's just release it, call it done, and walk away.

Pretty much. It got so bad that apparently Steam had to start telling "early access" developers that they have to continue making "reasonable progress" with their games before being allowed to sell a game with "early access."

That Prison Architect I think is the biggest joke on Steam early access. A lot of people seem to enjoy it but shit, they were charging like 40 dollars for an early access game that was basically just Prison Tycoon but with graphics from the early 80's.

I haven't checked in on Prison Architect lately but I'm pretty sure it's STILL in early access mode and it's been that way for close to 2 years now.

[Atlanteax]

I'm personally holding off on the D3 expansion, and will wait until the reception of it is overwhelming positive.

Kinda sad in a way to go pre-ordering/Day-1 purchases of Blizzard games to "I'm gonna wait instead".

5 years ago, to me, that sort of hesitation would had been inconceivable when it came to Blizzard games.

[Tgo01]

I'm personally holding off on the D3 expansion, and will wait until the reception of it is overwhelming positive.

Kinda sad in a way to go pre-ordering/Day-1 purchases of Blizzard games to "I'm gonna wait instead".

5 years ago, to me, that sort of hesitation would had been inconceivable when it came to Blizzard games.

Yeah. I told myself I was no longer going to pre order any Blizzard games after the fiasco with Diablo 3 and I stuck to that pledge with not even buying the expansion pack to Starcraft 2. But I dunno, I think the changes with Diablo 3 have been very very very positive and I'm actually having fun with the game now.

Someone help me! I've got a Blizzard addiction!

[Taernath]

Yeah I'm kind of pissed at the way expansion packs are going lately. Heck I'm kind of pissed the way "early access" games are going on Steam as well. One game was charging 90 dollars for the luxury of beta testing their game for them.

Was that Wasteland? I think it's $60, but they kinda had to do it because one of their Kickstarter tiers was early access.

[Johnny Five]

Was that Wasteland? I think it's $60, but they kinda had to do it because one of their Kickstarter tiers was early access.

No I'm pretty sure it was the new Total Annihilation game. It was like 90 bucks at first in Alpha, dropped to like 80 in Beta and now it's down to like 60. But yes, I've only bought a few games alpha. One being Starbound (Highly Recommend to anyone that like Terraria style games), the other DAYZ (Played for 60 minutes and the shitty ass camera and FOV made me sick as shit). From now on I'm gonna wait for a release and a review. I bought Torchlight 2 on steam for 3 dollars during a sale and... if you like Diablo style games get TL2. I like it alot.

[Methais]

I haven't checked in on Prison Architect lately but I'm pretty sure it's STILL in early access mode and it's been that way for close to 2 years now.

Now imagine if Simu did this.

[Johnny Five]

Now imagine if Simu did this.

http://www.play.net/gs4/news/simucon_2004_notes/state_of_elanthia.asp

LOL?

[Tgo01]

Was that Wasteland? I think it's $60, but they kinda had to do it because one of their Kickstarter tiers was early access.

I'm not sure about Wasteland but Planetary Annihilation had a 90 dollar price tag for early access. Although they said they had to charge that price for the same reason because of Kickstart early access tiers.


If you feel like Tgo01 does... then you should join me in Ring Farming!

Because, if gear doesn't mean jack shit, that means all that matters is paragon levels, and eventual leveling-speed.

Basically... Key Farm. Use those keys to summon the Uber-bosses. Kill Uber-bosses for a chance at dropping their organs. Use the organ to summon a special battlefield where you fight all uber-bosses together. Those uber-bosses have a chance of dropping organs.
Use the organs to synth of those HellFire Rings, which have like +35% XP Gain, and other stats. Two Hellfire Rings + XP gem in your helm is basically like, a bajillion extra XP per kill. You'll be at Paragon level Whirlin and Hero Level 70 in like, 2 seconds after the patch hits in two weeks.

I remember when Paragon levels were first introduced this was a great strategy for getting lots of experience. So I bought a socketed helm and put a ruby in it then checked my character sheet to see how much sweet bonus experience I am getting and it was at almost 800% increased experience on torment 2. Torment gives a lot of increased experience plus you get experience multipliers on top of that due to playing with other people.

I'd still be interested in key runs but it seems like an extra 20-100% bonus experience when you're already getting 1000% bonus experience isn't as awe inspiring :/

[Tgo01]

Now imagine if Simu did this.

Looking back on it I guess Simu was a trailblazer in the "early access" game development.

They should hold seminars on this shit.

[Taernath]

I haven't checked in on Prison Architect lately but I'm pretty sure it's STILL in early access mode and it's been that way for close to 2 years now.

What's funny is that Prison Architect isn't even in beta, it's in alpha. I've been following it for over a year now and it looks the same as it did when I first added it to my wishlist.

Overall the way Steam has been handling early access is questionable, with them being featured on the front page and getting sales, coupons and cards made for them... but the game isn't even finished. There are a few early access games out there that are already working on DLC for their non-released game.

[Tgo01]

There are a few early access games out there that are already working on DLC for their non-released game.

That is just too fucking funny. Is the DLC going to be considered "early access" too? Like "Hey, the DLC doesn't work? Suck it up. It's early access alpha what do you expect!"

[Johnny Five]

What's funny is that Prison Architect isn't even in beta, it's in alpha. I've been following it for over a year now and it looks the same as it did when I first added it to my wishlist.

Overall the way Steam has been handling early access is questionable, with them being featured on the front page and getting sales, coupons and cards made for them... but the game isn't even finished. There are a few early access games out there that are already working on DLC for their non-released game.

Yep, but they got them disclaimers bro! I assume at some point there will be public outcry against the 9/10 shitty early access games released. Where 2/10 actually make it to release, and .05/10 are actually decent. I support Starbound, but fuck you character wipes!

[subzero]

I started playing again a week ago and I've been having a blast, then I heard myself say out loud "not another fucking legendary ring" and it hit me just how Wow-like it is now.

I got stuck on a little string (3-4) of rings myself. Sort of annoying since most of'em weren't worth using, but it's better than before. It's been a while since I've played Warcraft... how do you mean they're similar? Just in it being easier to gear now?

[subzero]

I'm personally holding off on the D3 expansion, and will wait until the reception of it is overwhelming positive.

Kinda sad in a way to go pre-ordering/Day-1 purchases of Blizzard games to "I'm gonna wait instead".

5 years ago, to me, that sort of hesitation would had been inconceivable when it came to Blizzard games.

I'm gonna hold off a little bit as well. Partly because I don't really have the 40 bucks to throw at it right now and partly because it just seems prudent at this point. I pre-ordered Diablo 3 and that ended up sitting on the shelf for a long time.

[Kalishar]

I got stuck on a little string (3-4) of rings myself. Sort of annoying since most of'em weren't worth using, but it's better than before. It's been a while since I've played Warcraft... how do you mean they're similar? Just in it being easier to gear now?

I think she basically meant its a lot more loot pinata like, pretty much how WoW has become over the last couple expansions.

I still gotta say though I think its better now than it was a few months ago. Send some of your ring luck my way, I keep finding one handed maces.

[Kalishar]

My barbarian was pretty well geared by Hell standards pre-patch got a bunch of upgrades in the first couple hours playing him. But yeah, I'm definitely going to wait until the expansion hits before playing more. I sort of want to make the crusader my main character and I don't want to burn out beforehand.

It's probably been close to a year since I played last... but my barbarian was fairly well geared, completed Act 2 in Inferno, farmed Act 1 easily. But upon playing on *normal* difficulty since I started a few days ago I've already replaced most of his gear.

I think that was my major disappointment with D3 overall. Useable gear was way too few and far between, and it was a necessity to play the AH. I'm happy with how the game is now, and I think I'll be even more happy when the AH and RMAH are shut down.

[Palcron]

I've considered picking up the expansion, but I can't get over the fact that I already paid $60 for a shitty game that FINALLY got fixed, and a matter of a few weeks later, I have to spend even more to continue playing new content. They should have made all of their fixes, let everyone who paid to play a kick ass Diablo game log at least SOME time, and then release an expansion. It just seems poorly timed to me. It's almost like I bought D3 simply to throw away, and now I'm forced to buy an expansion that, in reality, should have been the original game.

[Taernath]

It's almost like I bought D3 simply to throw away, and now I'm forced to buy an expansion that, in reality, should have been the original game.

You're not forced to buy it, loot 2.0 was a public patch.

[Palcron]

I'm obviously not forced to buy anything. What they released originally was shit. It's SO much better now, and now that it's finally working as intended, they're already releasing a paid expansion that cost nearly as much as the game itself. I just think it's poorly timed.

And don't get me wrong, the changes that just got patched in fixed almost every single issue I had with the original release. The game is actually fun to play now. And yes, I could just continue playing and not buy the expansion, but I hate playing not-current versions of games, and I would have loved more time to feel like I actually got to play the functional D3 before I dropped cash into new content.

[subzero]

I've considered picking up the expansion, but I can't get over the fact that I already paid $60 for a shitty game that FINALLY got fixed, and a matter of a few weeks later, I have to spend even more to continue playing new content. They should have made all of their fixes, let everyone who paid to play a kick ass Diablo game log at least SOME time, and then release an expansion. It just seems poorly timed to me. It's almost like I bought D3 simply to throw away, and now I'm forced to buy an expansion that, in reality, should have been the original game.

I think you can manage to enjoy the game without buying the expansion really. Sure, you'll miss out on new 60+ legendaries, the Crusader class, 10 more levels/act V, and the enchanter, but on the flip side you've got plenty of time to play D3 the way it should have been from the start.

[Palcron]

The point is more that they should have released this version from the start, but whatever. At least they finally found a way to make it work. It has been so much better since the patch.

[subzero]

The point is more that they should have released this version from the start, but whatever. At least they finally found a way to make it work. It has been so much better since the patch.

Everyone knows that and it has nothing to do with whether you can play and enjoy the game that you paid for today. Buy the expansion, don't buy the expansion. It's got as much to do with it as 'the point'.

[Goat]

Well this is a long thread, isn't it? I just stumbled on it.

I bought Diablo 3 the day after release (I think) and it was such a disaster. The last straw was when my internet went bad and I died because of it. I actually waited on hold for 3 hours to get a refund.

I'm glad to hear that they patched the game, but I suppose it still requires you to be online all the time?

[Tgo01]

I'm glad to hear that they patched the game, but I suppose it still requires you to be online all the time?

Yeah. To me Diablo just wouldn't be Diablo if you played solo by yourself offline so the always online thing doesn't bother me.

[Goat]

Yeah. To me Diablo just wouldn't be Diablo if you played solo by yourself offline so the always online thing doesn't bother me.

I don't blame them for my questionable internet connection, but I do blame them for forcing me to deal with it to play :-/ It makes a perfectly reasonable single player game, so I wish they didn't force it on me.

But I see why people would see it your way.

[Danical]

I'll be on tonight between 6 and 9 PST if anyone wants to join.

Mode: HC (no flaccid core)
Difficulty: T1
Character: Mako (http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Dantastical-1827/hero/41423332)

Basic Strategy: I stack resistance as much as possible for Energy Armor: Prismatic Armor to make the most out of Magic Weapon: Deflection. Then basically face-tanking unless there are disco lasers or frozen affixes.

[Methais]

I started using this build the other day, and holy shit it's fun. I've been mowing shit down like crazy:

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/wizard#WdShOX!eTY!acYbZZ

Here's a clip of a similar build, but with Frost Nova instead of Diamond Skin:


www.youtube.com/watch?v=gapD9P4PEA8

[Warriorbird]

I started using this build the other day, and holy shit it's fun. I've been mowing shit down like crazy:

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/wizard#WdShOX!eTY!acYbZZ

Here's a clip of a similar build, but with Frost Nova instead of Diamond Skin:


www.youtube.com/watch?v=gapD9P4PEA8

I've always suspected Wizards had more fun. I'll take a look at something like that for next time. My Demon Hunter is durable and well geared but I also feel like he's becoming a bit boring.

[Danical]

I started using this build the other day, and holy shit it's fun. I've been mowing shit down like crazy:

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/wizard#WdShOX!eTY!acYbZZ

Here's a clip of a similar build, but with Frost Nova instead of Diamond Skin:


www.youtube.com/watch?v=gapD9P4PEA8

You might want to consider switching to Arcane Orb: Frozen Orb, given this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2anM6BAggg). TL;DR: Frozen Orb does 2x stated damage (786%).

[Methais]

You might want to consider switching to Arcane Orb: Frozen Orb, given this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2anM6BAggg). TL;DR: Frozen Orb does 2x stated damage (786%).

I tried that build out last night. It's definitely good, but kinda boring too. Probably something to switch over to for a tough boss or something, but other than that the build I'm using rocks the house.

[Taernath]

This is what I've been using on my barbarian. I have no idea if it's "good" or not, just that I do pretty well with it.
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/barbarian#ahiSkj!cdh!bYbYba

[Jhynnifer]

I got stuck on a little string (3-4) of rings myself. Sort of annoying since most of'em weren't worth using, but it's better than before. It's been a while since I've played Warcraft... how do you mean they're similar? Just in it being easier to gear now?

Exactly. Legendaries drop like candy (though mostly still suck!) I just made myself redo the entire game on T4 and it was amusing how much of it I didn't remember (mostly because I only farmed certain things). But catching up on valor has been kind of nice.

[AnticorRifling]

I started using this build the other day, and holy shit it's fun. I've been mowing shit down like crazy:

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/wizard#WdShOX!eTY!acYbZZ

Here's a clip of a similar build, but with Frost Nova instead of Diamond Skin:


www.youtube.com/watch?v=gapD9P4PEA8

I thought wave of force was an action bar skill not a mouse skill.

[Warriorbird]

I'm now running somewhat less defensive. Having more fun even if I don't know about it longterm.

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/demon-hunter#PbXVdS!bec!cYbZcb

[Whirlin]

Ok... I managed to farm two Hellfire Rings this last weekend with my friends (gogo killing the uber battles on T5)

... I can't believe there's no level req on them. Gave one instantly to my level retarded barbarian. Paired with a good Ruby in a socketed helm, I joined a game at 38, with the other people in the game being 39, and then by the time I left like, two hours later, I was about a full level higher than the next person.

My roll on my STR hellfire ring sucks, but my DEX one is pretty decent. With my Rapid Fire build with my DH, my friends and I were laughing about how many fireballs actually get thrown out.

[Warriorbird]

Ok... I managed to farm two Hellfire Rings this last weekend with my friends (gogo killing the uber battles on T5)

... I can't believe there's no level req on them. Gave one instantly to my level retarded barbarian. Paired with a good Ruby in a socketed helm, I joined a game at 38, with the other people in the game being 39, and then by the time I left like, two hours later, I was about a full level higher than the next person.

My roll on my STR hellfire ring sucks, but my DEX one is pretty decent. With my Rapid Fire build with my DH, my friends and I were laughing about how many fireballs actually get thrown out.

Those things will be perfect to level up Crusaders.

[Whirlin]

Yep, that's why the second one I made was a STR one!

Definitely looking forward to a crusader. Been leveling up a Barbarian in the interim to try to get SOME related gear for a crusader.

[Warriorbird]

Yep, that's why the second one I made was a STR one!

Definitely looking forward to a crusader. Been leveling up a Barbarian in the interim to try to get SOME related gear for a crusader.

Yeah. Account bound is account bound, not character bound. One of my friends was complaining about treasure 2.0 it till it clicked in.

[TheEschaton]

It still sucks trying to get, IE, AGI gear when your only geared, farm-capable toon is a wizard. I suppose I have to level one in each stat to farm with.

[Warriorbird]

It still sucks trying to get, IE, AGI gear when your only geared, farm-capable toon is a wizard. I suppose I have to level one in each stat to farm with.

The Mystic will be help. Seriously expensive help, but help. I'd also suggesting notching away as many set/legendary recipes as possible.

[Methais]

I thought wave of force was an action bar skill not a mouse skill.

Reason I have it on right click is because I spam spectral blades, which is on left click, a few times to build up some bonus damage from its rune and from Arcane Dynamo, then I burn all my mana on Wave of Force, rinse and repeat. It's great for when you're trying to fap but don't wanna fall behind the group.

When I'm not fapping, I'll toss out a Shockwave before Wave of Force. Pretty sick damage with SB's rune and Arcane Dynamo stacked.

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb224/CrimsonSeeker/840633692_l.jpg

[Methais]

(red)Thread: Diablo III
derp, butt sniffer.

Your rep is worth like 8 points.

[Whirlin]

I thought wave of force was an action bar skill not a mouse skill.

You can set anything to anything. I think it may be a UI option that needs to be enabled for like, an advanced mode. But, once you set it, you can set any skill to any button. Makes things easier.

[AnticorRifling]

Reason I have it on right click is because I spam spectral blades, which is on left click, a few times to build up some bonus damage from its rune and from Arcane Dynamo, then I burn all my mana on Wave of Force, rinse and repeat. It's great for when you're trying to fap but don't wanna fall behind the group.

When I'm not fapping, I'll toss out a Shockwave before Wave of Force. Pretty sick damage with SB's rune and Arcane Dynamo stacked.

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb224/CrimsonSeeker/840633692_l.jpg

So you're saying I can move the abilities from my bar to the mouse?

I've spent all of 2 hours in this game so far.

[AnticorRifling]

You can set anything to anything. I think it may be a UI option that needs to be enabled for like, an advanced mode. But, once you set it, you can set any skill to any button. Makes things easier.

Good info.

[subzero]

You can set anything to anything. I think it may be a UI option that needs to be enabled for like, an advanced mode. But, once you set it, you can set any skill to any button. Makes things easier.

There are some skills that can't be put on the mouse still, I believe.

[Whirlin]

There are some skills that can't be put on the mouse still, I believe.

Yeah, but I think that's isolated to items that have cooldowns.

But, my chime in for the day is HOLY CRAP at the XP. I have a ruby in my helm and a hellfire ring, and I'm already level 53, having just killed the spider queen on A3... First play through.

I'm anticipating level 60 with the single play through. Ridiculous.

Definitely get all your alts leveled while +50% XP is in effect, before the expansion hits next week.

[Methais]

Yeah, but I think that's isolated to items that have cooldowns.

Pretty sure that's not the case. I've had Shockwave assigned to a mouse button before and that has a cooldown.

[Kalishar]

I believe its called Elective mode, you can basically throw whatever skills on whatever buttons with very few exceptions.

[Loyrl]

Yep, that's why the second one I made was a STR one!

Definitely looking forward to a crusader. Been leveling up a Barbarian in the interim to try to get SOME related gear for a crusader.

That's what I did on HC. I just hit 60 last night on my barb and saved all the leveling gear for my crusader. I am going to get a 60 hc wiz now because I haven't had one yet.

[Warriorbird]

That's what I did on HC. I just hit 60 last night on my barb and saved all the leveling gear for my crusader. I am going to get a 60 hc wiz now because I haven't had one yet.

Be careful on HC. There've been some savage gear bugs.

[Tgo01]

Darn you Blizzard for releasing Hearthstone so close to the release of Diablo 3 expansion!

[Drisco]

I've never played Hard Core before and I'm loving it. I finally hit 60 on my Demon Hunter after dying twice (Once lvl 29 and lvl 51). It makes the game so intense! I'm thinking of leveling one more character before they remove the 100% lvling buff.

For those that want to level quick, Act 2: Royal Audience is so fast. Just do the quest, and then after you run into the sewers just leave and reset. You get 3 bars for 2 1/2 mins. It scales with level so you can essentially get 1 lvl per 10 mins all the way to 60.

[Tgo01]

The expansion is being released on the 25th, right? Anyone know if that means midnight PST or anything?

[Whirlin]

The expansion is being released on the 25th, right? Anyone know if that means midnight PST or anything?

Blizz usually starts their patching at Midnight, Tuesday, West Coast Time. For major releases (at least for WOW... I assume D3 would follow suit), I've seen the games not come up until like, 3-6 PM EST.

Best to assume 15-18 hours for something major like this.

Blizzard patches are best compared to EA Launches. Best not to assume anything to be available the day of patching. 9/10, there's some emergency maintenance required on the newest patch. And if the patch is actually deployed timely and properly, assume the servers will crash with the wave of returners. Neither condition is mutually exclusive either. Sometimes you get those fun half day patch, half day server crash patch days!

Not something to take the day off for.

[Taernath]

WoW launches are pretty smooth and SC2 wasn't bad from what I remember. D3 was rough though.

[Jarvan]

I haven't decided if I am going to pick it up yet, but likely.

[Whirlin]

Blizz usually starts their patching at Midnight, Tuesday, West Coast Time. For major releases (at least for WOW... I assume D3 would follow suit), I've seen the games not come up until like, 3-6 PM EST.

Best to assume 15-18 hours for something major like this.

Blizzard patches are best compared to EA Launches. Best not to assume anything to be available the day of patching. 9/10, there's some emergency maintenance required on the newest patch. And if the patch is actually deployed timely and properly, assume the servers will crash with the wave of returners. Neither condition is mutually exclusive either. Sometimes you get those fun half day patch, half day server crash patch days!

Not something to take the day off for.

Wow, you've never been so wrong... idiot.

[Danical]

The release was incredibly crisp. Didn't notice any lag at all 2 hours after launch.

Although, I wonder how many people were playing RoS at the time of this release compared to the initial D3 release.

[Whirlin]

We also haven't seen the post-work rush either!

[Taernath]

Been playing my Crusader Hammerzeit and doing well so far. I will probably be 20 by the time I'm done tonight.

[Methais]

Been playing my Crusader Hammerzeit and doing well so far. I will probably be 20 by the time I'm done tonight.

http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120529145139/hitlerparody/images/f/f4/Halt--hammerzeit.jpg

[Taernath]

Yep. You don't want to know what my Witchdoctor's name is.

[Taernath]

lol

http://i1347.photobucket.com/albums/p712/dtbrown082/upgrade_zps0461cb57.jpg

[Atlanteax]

Is that the before/after of turning D3 into a loot pinata like WoW?

[Taernath]

It's me getting the same legendary a few levels after the first.

And the Diablo was always a loot pinata.

[Atlanteax]

It's me getting the same legendary a few levels after the first.

And the Diablo was always a loot pinata.

I did not consider D3 a loot pinata previously as you *generally* had to go to the gold-AH to get upgrades.

I define loot pinata as very easy to 'gear up' from 'drops'.

[Taernath]

Are you implying that a loot pinata is a bad thing or am I reading too much into it? Getting better and better gear from drops is like the entire basis of the series.

But yeah, if that's your definition D3 is a loot pinata.

[Methais]

Are you implying that a loot pinata is a bad thing or am I reading too much into it? Getting better and better gear from drops is like the entire basis of the series.

But yeah, if that's your definition D3 is a loot pinata.

I think what he was getting at was along the lines of, "Was that before or after D3 stopped sucking?"

Because this game was gay as hell when loot pinata mode was disabled.

[Atlanteax]

Are you implying that a loot pinata is a bad thing or am I reading too much into it? Getting better and better gear from drops is like the entire basis of the series.

But yeah, if that's your definition D3 is a loot pinata.

*Gradually* getting better gear was the basis of the Diablo series.

Compared to D2, it would seem that very powerful gear is dropping left and right presently in D3, which would fit what I refer to as 'loot pinata', as well as what Methais pointed out, D3 was definitely not a 'loot pinata' early on (you had to go to the AH).

[Whirlin]

Games are successful because they provide a positive feedback mechanism in response to duration played and effectiveness.

Diablo 3's main feedback mechanism is loot. It's simple as that. They attempted to include Paragon levels to have individuals feel as though they were accomplishing something in the dry time between loot drops, however, this not widely regarded as substantive enough to make up for the dry periods.

The new Diablo 3 loot system provides more positive feedback by having a contingency legendary drop after a certain duration of combat time. Furthermore, to reduce the feeling of negativity when you realize the item you picked up is an absolute piece of crap, they introduced the mystic system to allow the opportunity to re-randomize your gear while using the disenchanted legendary materials. So you have a secondary potential for reward on duration.

Every game has some sort of positive feedback system. Diablo 3 utilizes loot for their positive feedback. Gemstone has straight experience, training points, and skills. Final Fantasy 7 had experience, materia growth, etc. Humans strive for the instant feedback system, because we so rarely see returns like that in real life, which is why the gaming industry exists.

[Whirlin]

*Gradually* getting better gear was the basis of the Diablo series.

Compared to D2, it would seem that very powerful gear is dropping left and right presently in D3, which would fit what I refer to as 'loot pinata', as well as what Methais pointed out, D3 was definitely not a 'loot pinata' early on (you had to go to the AH).

That's your perception of the relative power of the items that you're getting. While leveling, yes, I can agree that you do see massive outliers in strength of the drops.

However, at cap, there's a very large gap between an item that drops and top tier items that can be created via Mystic manipulation.

[Methais]

Furthermore, to reduce the feeling of negativity when you realize the item you picked up is an absolute piece of crap, they introduced the mystic system to allow the opportunity to re-randomize your gear while using the disenchanted legendary materials. So you have a secondary potential for reward on duration.

I've never heard of this.

Please explain immediately.

[Warriorbird]

I've never heard of this.

Please explain immediately.

Pay through the nose and you can reroll certain item properties.

[Whirlin]

I've never heard of this.

Please explain immediately.

With the mystic that you unlock in Quest 4, Act 5, you have the ability to take a unique, or other magical item, and reroll particular aspects of the item.

I'll give an example:
I play a DH. I found a legendary bow that has roughly 2.2k DPS. HOWEVER, the bow does not have a socket. This makes me an INCREDIBLY sad panda, because I have such a high crit rate, that an open socket on a 1.9k DPS weapon where I can throw a +110% crit damage gem, ends up being like, 1000x as powerful as the higher base damage.

So, I take the new 2.2k legendary bow to the mystic. Putting it in the appraisal box, it'll take some mats and some silver, but I'm able to re-randomize one of the 6 conditions on the item. So instead of +10% additional gold, I can reroll that for a chance at getting it to re-randomize into a socket, or attack speed, or life on hit.

However, the cost in doing so requires 2 of the material that's created when you deconstruct Legendaries. They used to be feiry brimstones I think... but there's a whole new tier of crafting mats from 61+. So... those trash legendaries you pick up are now good to breakdown and get materials to use at the mystic.

So, I can keep rerolling on this single bow, until I don't have any "additional" properties, and instead, I have +Damage, +attack speed, +Life on hit, + Hatred regen, +Socket, and custom turn it into the best uber bow ever.

[Methais]

With the mystic that you unlock in Quest 4, Act 5, you have the ability to take a unique, or other magical item, and reroll particular aspects of the item.

I'll give an example:
I play a DH. I found a legendary bow that has roughly 2.2k DPS. HOWEVER, the bow does not have a socket. This makes me an INCREDIBLY sad panda, because I have such a high crit rate, that an open socket on a 1.9k DPS weapon where I can throw a +110% crit damage gem, ends up being like, 1000x as powerful as the higher base damage.

So, I take the new 2.2k legendary bow to the mystic. Putting it in the appraisal box, it'll take some mats and some silver, but I'm able to re-randomize one of the 6 conditions on the item. So instead of +10% additional gold, I can reroll that for a chance at getting it to re-randomize into a socket, or attack speed, or life on hit.

However, the cost in doing so requires 2 of the material that's created when you deconstruct Legendaries. They used to be feiry brimstones I think... but there's a whole new tier of crafting mats from 61+. So... those trash legendaries you pick up are now good to breakdown and get materials to use at the mystic.

So, I can keep rerolling on this single bow, until I don't have any "additional" properties, and instead, I have +Damage, +attack speed, +Life on hit, + Hatred regen, +Socket, and custom turn it into the best uber bow ever.

http://www.quickmeme.com/img/23/23a2a6ee998024ea1820e89bcfe35745639f63e4c8f2f019ba 00e7fef4f3bedd.jpg

[Dendum]

So has the upgrade brought it up to a level that is worth playing? Is PoE still the smarter choice?
I was a big fan of D1 and D2 but something was just off a bit with D3 but I would like to enjoy it, I have not even logged in since the patch.

[Whirlin]

So has the upgrade brought it up to a level that is worth playing? Is PoE still the smarter choice?
I was a big fan of D1 and D2 but something was just off a bit with D3 but I would like to enjoy it, I have not even logged in since the patch.

Fortunately, I just clocked a ton of time into PoE, so I can explain!

They're... different.

In PoE, your return on time is XP for a L O N G time... We're talking like, 100 hours to cap a single character.
In D3, you can cap a character in probably 5-10 hours.

In PoE, skills, sockets, links, etc. are the most important gear attributes. And you become locked to one particular build, which you tend to pre-determine prior to rolling up the character.
In D3, skills interchangable, which can change how your character is played. A lot of the time, this is dependent on the gear that you pick up.

D3's mystic system is somewhat similar to the orbs in PoE, but definitely more robust and mature in PoE, but simultaneously, a lot more random!

PoE is Free, Diablo costs $$$ upfront.

Diablo 3 'kinda' has an endgame, where you can farm up keys and fight 'uber' bosses. I'm not sure about PoE endgame.

They have their strengths and weaknesses. It all depends on your style, your money, and what you're after. If you like leveling up a single character once, and then exploring a game at cap, kinda similarly to WOW, then I'd recommend Diablo 3. If you like an endless grind, where if you want to make changes, you'd need to reroll, like Gemstone 3 was, then I'd recommend PoE.

[Tgo01]

So, I can keep rerolling on this single bow, until I don't have any "additional" properties, and instead, I have +Damage, +attack speed, +Life on hit, + Hatred regen, +Socket, and custom turn it into the best uber bow ever.

You can only reroll one stat but as far as I know you can reroll that one stat as often as you like.

[Whirlin]

You can only reroll one stat but as far as I know you can reroll that one stat as often as you like.

I thought it was just one at a time... not that the others would become locked... but I don't have the items to test that yet.

I'll test with a rare when I get home.

[Tgo01]

I thought it was just one at a time... not that the others would become locked... but I don't have the items to test that yet.

You could be right...I usually skip over those tips they put in the game but I thought it said something about only changing one stat before I closed it out of habit.

I didn't play with it much but I did redo one stat on a magical item and when I tried to redo stats on it again just the one stat I had already changed popped up so y'know, I assumed.

Find a cheap magical item and test it for us, Whirlin. Write a guide!

[Taernath]

So has the upgrade brought it up to a level that is worth playing? Is PoE still the smarter choice?
I was a big fan of D1 and D2 but something was just off a bit with D3 but I would like to enjoy it, I have not even logged in since the patch.

PoE I just couldn't get in to. That giant skill tree people were obsessing over was just +X% per skill point spent.

[Some Rogue]

Finally rolled up a crusader. Since he's a meat shield, I named him Meater in honor of Anticor.

[AnticorRifling]

I hate you.

Also my witch doctor is named Obamacare.

[Whirlin]

I didn't play with it much but I did redo one stat on a magical item and when I tried to redo stats on it again just the one stat I had already changed popped up so y'know, I assumed.

Find a cheap magical item and test it for us, Whirlin. Write a guide!

You were right! Once you select a particular attribute to change, that's the only one you can change.

Most classes obtained group damage boosting abilities. Monks' aura, Sorcerers got a new latent, Hunters have their mark, Witch Doctors have their totem, Barbarians have shouts, and Crusaders have laws.

Sorcerers, in D3, were basically the drain on mechanics, and could pump out pure DPS by utilizing every other classes' buffs, but really not offering too much on their own. Now with the expansion, they are the ULTIMATE group player. Their new latent applies a damage taken debuff on creatures hit, that applies per element hit. Additionally, their new level 61 ability: Black Hole, will actually suck up elite group mechanics if you use the Event Horizon (I think) rune. So now sorcerers can destroy walls, suck up corruption, get rid of fire, lightning, poison, etc, while sucking all critters into a small area like a monk, without getting face rolled. They're the new group player!

Demon Hunters appear to be the new DPS winners, as the extent of their 'buff' could be the companion wolf howl, or hunter's mark. The new vengeance ability is simply... badass. I think I end up firing about 10-15 rapid fire shots per second, each of which doing 1-3m crits, but then up to 5m per hit when synergies are going. Ending with about 50m DPS... Even though my character sheet is just showing about 300k.

Growth is still pretty high. After about 2 days, I'm comfortably farming T1 with my static group. We could up it to T2/T3, but we just enjoy the fast kill speed, and don't value the rate of return to be worth it for the reduced kill speed for the increased drops/kill... Yet.

With the changes in grouping mechanics, and the synergies of damage boosting abilities by different classes, cooperative play is definitely the way to go to mindlessly slaughter the masses. Solo is increasingly difficult versus group play. If you (general PC crowd) want to group up sometime, reach out to me in game, and if we have a spot, we'll get you in.

[Some Rogue]

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a64/lrenzo2/Notbad_zps0731a58d.png (http://s9.photobucket.com/user/lrenzo2/media/Notbad_zps0731a58d.png.html)
Not bad for just hitting 70 last night.

[Warriorbird]

My life is complete ever since the Reaper of Souls expansion gave my Demon Hunter the video game equivalent of the Three Wolves Tee Shirt.

[Some Rogue]

I got a bow that shoots chickens occasionally. That was pretty sweet too.

[Methais]

My life is complete ever since the Reaper of Souls expansion gave my Demon Hunter the video game equivalent of the Three Wolves Tee Shirt.

Must know more.


I got a bow that shoots chickens occasionally. That was pretty sweet too.

Must know more.

[Some Rogue]

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a64/lrenzo2/f8ade1a0-3def-4cca-95d0-b6fc50a80bef_zps358771da.jpg (http://s9.photobucket.com/user/lrenzo2/media/f8ade1a0-3def-4cca-95d0-b6fc50a80bef_zps358771da.jpg.html)

[Jhynnifer]

I found a sword that randomly makes piq-squealing noises. That one was fun.

[Warriorbird]

Must know more.

http://i.imgur.com/3turC8n.jpg


I got a bow that shoots chickens occasionally. That was pretty sweet too.

Much much cooler than my extra raven bow.

[Whirlin]

Must know more.


There's a Unique DH Cloak which changes the property of your companion spell to have you summon 3 wolves rather than just 1.
My Wolves hit for about 700k-1m each attack of theirs, and the active ability of the wolves is a 10-20% damage buff to the group.

Overall, a decent cloak.

My Actives are now:... No idea their actual ability names
Vanish
Wolves
Hunter's Mark
Vengeance (which I've deemed "god mode")

Left Mouse: Frag Grenade
Right Mouse: Rapid Fire Grenade

Latents:
+Grenade Damage
Homing Missiles
Last two rotate between either +1 Disc on Crit, Cull the Weak, or the +10% Life/Armor/Resist -Discipline Cost.

I also have a level 64ish Crusader that I'm working on.

[Johnny Five]

I finally started getting back into the game and I had a super "WTF LOL" moment last night. I was running from 3 rare wasps things (Teleport freeze jailor) then ran into three more rares with (Freeze, the lazer, fast) then I was running and ran into an elite with (Vampire/Rock Wall/and 123981231 minons). So 6 rares and an elite. Pretty much had to sit and throw down a ton of sentry, kite, and sit next to the portal for half an hour. But it was rather fun and exciting.

[Jhynnifer]

I had fun leveling to 70, I left it on torment III until I hit the final dude. I hit 70 by the time I got to the graveyard.

[Loyrl]

When I have time I have been playing this again, I have a 61 HC monk and leveling a HC crusader. I lost my 67 DH due to my graphics driver failing. So I have been playing my normal wizard more. If you see me on I am prolly doing T1 rifts, I made a sweet amulet last night. Up to about 8million toughness and 600 sheet damage.

557 INT
9% CC
98% CDMG
and socket with 160INT gem.

[Warriorbird]

When I have time I have been playing this again, I have a 61 HC monk and leveling a HC crusader. I lost my 67 DH due to my graphics driver failing. So I have been playing my normal wizard more. If you see me on I am prolly doing T1 rifts, I made a sweet amulet last night. Up to about 8million toughness and 600 sheet damage.

557 INT
9% CC
98% CDMG
and socket with 160INT gem.

Wizards are insane. I think they'll be my next class.

[Jhynnifer]

Wizards are insane. I think they'll be my next class.

You group a wizard up with a warrior and hoooooley shit. You should join the community and the clan if you're playing again. A couple of us were doing split runs last night and I think I walked away with 6 legendaries over the course of 3 hours. All but one was shit, but HEY it was still fun!

[Whirlin]

You group a wizard up with a warrior and hoooooley shit. You should join the community and the clan if you're playing again. A couple of us were doing split runs last night and I think I walked away with 6 legendaries over the course of 3 hours. All but one was shit, but HEY it was still fun!

I need to map all of your Bliz account names to your PC names... cause I'm sure we've played together, and I just have no idea who you are.

Todo, who is a friend of a friend in Goobies, became a BADASS AS ALL HELL warrior in the expansion. And he's also like, the nicest guy ever, and always willing to group.

Wizard + Monk/Crusader + Barbarian = Win
Demon Hunter and Witch Doctors don't bring TOO much to the group besides pure damage. The other three buff everyone to hell.

[Jhynnifer]

My boyfriend plays a warrior, I'll see if he wants to join a clan. He's kind of meh on the expansion (hates farming loldiablowut?) but he still enjoys playing a bit.

[Sorcasaurus]

I play a warrior, joined the community but don't ever see anyone on the chat.

Any chance I can tag along for some farming runs?

[Tgo01]

I play a warrior, joined the community but don't ever see anyone on the chat.

I don't think anyone ever chats in our community. They chat in the clan though.

[Taernath]

You group a wizard up with a warrior and hoooooley shit. You should join the community and the clan if you're playing again. A couple of us were doing split runs last night and I think I walked away with 6 legendaries over the course of 3 hours. All but one was shit, but HEY it was still fun!

When do wizards start to pick up? Mine is around 27 and none of the skills really appeal to me plus he doesn't seem to be doing much damage on hard.

[Jhynnifer]

When do wizards start to pick up? Mine is around 27 and none of the skills really appeal to me plus he doesn't seem to be doing much damage on hard.

It's been ages since I leveled my wiz, but once you hit mid 30s you'll see it pick up. Almost all of the good runes are 40+. If you're bored at any point hit me up, I've got a 31ish monk I'd totally be down to get to 60.

[Some Rogue]

I don't think anyone ever chats in our community. They chat in the clan though.

Well now I know who was sending me all those unwanted sexual advances by private message...

[Tgo01]

Well now I know who was sending me all those unwanted sexual advances by private message...

You liked it.

[ThatDamnTep]

I need to map all of your Bliz account names to your PC names... cause I'm sure we've played together, and I just have no idea who you are.

Todo, who is a friend of a friend in Goobies, became a BADASS AS ALL HELL warrior in the expansion. And he's also like, the nicest guy ever, and always willing to group.

Wizard + Monk/Crusader + Barbarian = Win
Demon Hunter and Witch Doctors don't bring TOO much to the group besides pure damage. The other three buff everyone to hell.

I'm usually not on the PC much any more, but my BNET tag is Witchwood#1853. I'm pretty sure I've done some stuff with at least a few of you.


Wizards are insane. I think they'll be my next class.

Total truth. I finally farmed my Ring of Grandeur so my Tal Rasha set is complete and I'm making it rain. Nothing like getting an extra 30-50 million damage every 8 seconds for free.

[Warriorbird]

You group a wizard up with a warrior and hoooooley shit. You should join the community and the clan if you're playing again. A couple of us were doing split runs last night and I think I walked away with 6 legendaries over the course of 3 hours. All but one was shit, but HEY it was still fun!

I'll consider it. My time will reduce again in the next few days but it's been fun playing some Diablo. I'm Ske1n#2963.



Total truth. I finally farmed my Ring of Grandeur so my Tal Rasha set is complete and I'm making it rain. Nothing like getting an extra 30-50 million damage every 8 seconds for free.

Your dude is so far past my DH it's boggling.

[ThatDamnTep]

I'll consider it. My time will reduce again in the next few days but it's been fun playing some Diablo. I'm Ske1n#1963.



Your dude is so far past my DH it's boggling.

That's the benefit of working ass early in the day and the missus not coming home until regular people time. I've been debating picking my WD back up. They do offer one of the best group buffs in slam dance, but just the thought of regearing another dude is awful.

[Jhynnifer]

I'll consider it. My time will reduce again in the next few days but it's been fun playing some Diablo. I'm Ske1n#1963.



Your dude is so far past my DH it's boggling.

I haven't even started working on my Tal Rasha set, hell I'm not even finding a lot of yellows to replace my lvl 60 gear. It's sad but my gear was so pimp.

[ThatDamnTep]

I haven't even started working on my Tal Rasha set, hell I'm not even finding a lot of yellows to replace my lvl 60 gear. It's sad but my gear was so pimp.

I've got some extra yellow pieces laying around that I haven't enchanted. Hit me up and we can go through them.

[Warriorbird]

I haven't even started working on my Tal Rasha set, hell I'm not even finding a lot of yellows to replace my lvl 60 gear. It's sad but my gear was so pimp.

Most of my best recent stuff comes from lower tier adventure mode grinding, oddly enough.

GENERAL NOTE:

I'm at Ske1n#2963 as opposed to the other. Account mixup.

[Methais]

When I have time I have been playing this again, I have a 61 HC monk and leveling a HC crusader. I lost my 67 DH due to my graphics driver failing. So I have been playing my normal wizard more. If you see me on I am prolly doing T1 rifts, I made a sweet amulet last night. Up to about 8million toughness and 600 sheet damage.

557 INT
9% CC
98% CDMG
and socket with 160INT gem.

This is gonna sound retarded but how are people getting such huge numbers already? I haven't been playing a sick amount of hours but I'm still only at some shit number like 300k damage and any upgrades I am finding are usually like +1-2% increases.

[Whirlin]

This is gonna sound retarded but how are people getting such huge numbers already? I haven't been playing a sick amount of hours but I'm still only at some shit number like 300k damage and any upgrades I am finding are usually like +1-2% increases.

Now that the mystic is released, it's all about recognizing potential in items!

Pretty much since hitting 70, I think I've upgraded my bow about 5 times. I started off with a 2.1k DPS bow. Then I mystic'ed in a socket. Then I found a 2.2k dps bow, mystic'ed a socket, now a 2.4k dps bow, mystic'ed a socket.

As far as balancing survivability and overall damage, my friend gave me some good advice.
Shoulders/Chest/Belt/Boots should be purely defensive. Ensure that all of these pieces have VIT, Resist All, and probably also your prime stat. Anything beyond that is just icing on the cake.
Gloves/Bracers should be extensions of your weapon: purely offensive. Gloves/Bracers are the only pieces that can have crit rate/attack speed, and bracers can even have crit damage. If you can also stack a +damage mod on your bracers, that's even better.
Head, you want Crit rate, VIT, and prime stat, and ideally a socket. Where this may become skewed is if your class/build has a head mod for damage.
Ring/Amulet... subjective!

[Warriorbird]

This is gonna sound retarded but how are people getting such huge numbers already? I haven't been playing a sick amount of hours but I'm still only at some shit number like 300k damage and any upgrades I am finding are usually like +1-2% increases.

I nabbed a lot of elemental and skill damage boosts. No idea how Tep got his insane damage, though there seems to be at least 1 really badass set for every class and the Ring of Grandeur is clutch.

[cholodeamor]

Hey all. I lurk these boards but I have started playing d3 again since the expansion came out. Not quite at 70 yet my Witch doctor but I am all about playing a support type roll with slam dance etc. I'll drop another message here later with my ID if you guys are interested.

I play Ignatiyo if anyone recognizes. new dwarf in landing. Love to play GS with you too if you have a a character in that range.

[ThatDamnTep]

I nabbed a lot of elemental and skill damage boosts. No idea how Tep got his insane damage, though there seems to be at least 1 really badass set for every class and the Ring of Grandeur is clutch.

Elemental and skill boosts are multiplicative and will make or break you, but they don't show up on your sheet.. I rock a disintegrate build so I stacked arcane and disintegrate buffs. Add in a high crit rate, high crit damage, a Triumverate, and Tal Rasha's dropping up to 12 meteors it adds up fast.

[Taernath]

I need to map all of your Bliz account names to your PC names... cause I'm sure we've played together, and I just have no idea who you are.

I sent a guild request to you through the community window. Should show up as DTB something.

[Loyrl]

I finally got to 70 (monk) on HC with out D/C and dying! It is going to take a while to gear up my Monk I think, I kill things so slowly even on normal. I am at 160k 4m I think.

I used the mystic and got that 9% crit on the amulet. I dropped quite a bit of toughness for damage on my Wizard.

[Neovik1]

I've become highly addicted to this game.

[Warriorbird]

I've become highly addicted to this game.

It is quite a lot better.

[Whirlin]

There's a 50% community XP buff in place through patch day Tuesday. I decided to spend the weekend leveling as much as possible!

I got my Barbarian and Monk from 60 to 70, which now places me at DH, Sorceress, Crusader, Barbarian, and Monk all at 70, with 99 Paragon levels. And got a Witch Doctor to 30ish... If I finish that off, I can trash all that level 60 or lower crap from my stash!

I also managed to upgrade my DH's necklace and Gloves... upgrades for him are few and far between, so anything is nice.

Once I finish up the witch doctor, I can write up my review on the classes. However, I believe a MUCH NEEDED full crusader overhaul is going to be occurring on Tuesday.

[Malisai]

What guild is everyone in? I dont play D3 too often, but its nice to chat with folks while playing.

whats this about a crusader review?

[Whirlin]

What guild is everyone in? I dont play D3 too often, but its nice to chat with folks while playing.

whats this about a crusader review?

Goobiez. There's a public community group that you can search for (hit O in game to bring up the social panel for clan/community). Although, communities suck, and don't have a chat function like clans do.

Crusaders are currently weak, very weak. They can have ridiculous survivability due to the shield use, and some strong defensive talents, however, they can't deal damage worth a damn. One example of how their abilities don't really work in their favor is their 2H as 1H talent which also has -15% max movement speed. Since the class is relatively close ranged, they need to get out of fire/effects quite often. Maneuvering is a heavy DPS loss, and maneuvering more slowly means more DPS lost. This DPS lost is realized both as time out of combat while moving to the next group, and while evading effects such as Frozen and Arcane enchanted mobs.

They end up suffering from the level 60 barbarian syndrome, where their wrath generators do terrible damage. However, their wrath expenditures do not have as high of damage factors as barbarian rage expenditures. So like, Barbs may use 30 rage to do 300% AoE weapon damage on an attack, Crusaders spend 30 wrath on like, 250% single target weapon damage. The maths just don't add up.

[TheEschaton]

What are they changing on Thursday?

[Whirlin]

Likely Balance issues: ie: Buffing Crusader/Barbarian. Nerfing Sorcerers.

[ThatDamnTep]

Likely Balance issues: ie: Buffing Crusader/Barbarian. Nerfing Sorcerers.

http://www.diablofans.com/ has the datamined patch notes. Wizards survive unscathed and I can teleport further now.

[Kalishar]

I'm Hessian in the guild, I'm newly 70 with my barb and Im almost there with my crusader too. Mostly do solo games while I try to gear up but Im open to some farming with you guys, maybe T1 if I don't slow you all down too much. Once I get a day off from work anyway.

[Whirlin]

patch notes... pain to format:
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/blog/13532431/patch-204-now-live-4-8-2014

[Tgo01]

Right when I get my wizard up there and with some good gear they nerf frozen orb :(

[Taernath]

Whirlin, who's in charge of recruitment? My guild app has been pending for days. :(:(:(

[TheEschaton]

Maybe you're just not good enough?

[Whirlin]

Whirlin, who's in charge of recruitment? My guild app has been pending for days. :(:(:(

I dunno, who are you in D3?

[Taernath]

DTB

[Whirlin]

Ok... I've completed all classes to level 70... Here are my assessments. Please pardon any spelling/grammar/whatnot errors... I just had a septoplasty today, and am high on painkillers.

Barbarian

Barbarians are alright. Whirlwind is a great way to deal damage without being restricted by swinging animations, with the ability to use it as a rage generator, you can find yourself on rage equilibrium spamming it. With some quick goggling, you can find haste breakpoints for additional swings based on total attack speed. But it works great with a 2H.

Barbarian rage spenders are a little weaker than to be desired. They're decent, but VERY gear dependent, and you're not going to be incredibly powerful when you first hit 70. There are a lot of different ways you can go about gearing one up, but all in all, they're alright. They're nothing to write home about, but I've seen some extraordinarily well geared ones do some impressive damage.

Barbarians also do get the -damage taken buff, along with monks, making them great tanks, once they're geared up.



Crusaders are difficult to gear properly. I've recently found that finding a weapon with HOLY damage type on it as the additional damage, makes it MUCH stronger than even a comparable weapon with +100 fire or other typed damage, because of the properties of the Crusader passive. This GREATLY restricts the speed at which it can gear it.

Crusaders can also use 2Hs as 1H... which is a nice option, however, the cost of -15% movement speed hurts, a lot. This basically makes you required to take the horse active skill to be able to stay in combat more often. Anecdotally, I've seen a substantially higher drop rate when I do more damage in a partying scenario. If I'm late to combat, my drops tend to be weaker, while other party members can end up with 2 Legendaries. Insubstantial with solo play.

Crusaders are by far the most ridiculous tanks ever with a shield. Paired up with something like Thundergod's vigor, which deals weapon damage on block, you can actually make a decent defensively offensive build.

Crusaders' wrath spenders aren't quite up to what Barbs' rage spenders are. They have some powerful cooldown attacks, but they tend to have high cooldowns, for relatively low damage.

To be an effective crusader DPS, you need to ensure each time you're in combat, you're burning at least 1 cooldown for each time you attack a group. Which can be difficult in quick, successive battles.

Overall though, I think Barb is slightly ahead.


Demon hunters are the most glass-cannon class in the game at the moment. Many DHs use Cluster Arrow as their main hatred expenditure, personally, I have a ton of Rapid Fire damage gear. To give you an idea, I fire off rapid fire grenades about 10 a second, each one dealing 2-3m without damage debuffs, and I can channel for about 30 seconds straight. Cluster arrow is an AMAZING alternative, but it's about 40 hatred per shot, so it tends to lead towards more reliance on your hatred generator for damage... It's a bit subjective, but both are strong.



Monks are amazing. Monks and Barbarians both get -30% damage taken, and monks become amazing tanks as a result. Their auras and their ability to black-hole draw-in make for AMAZING grouping mechanics and everything. Their exploding palm definitely changes dynamics to where you kill one critter, they're all dead. Of the three melee classes, Monks are by far #1 above Both barbarian and crusaders, in my opinion.



Sorcerers got nerfed slightly in the latest patch, and their main abilities hurt. However, Sorcerers' strength is their ability to auto-apply damage taken debuffs on critters they're fighting. However, this comes at the expense of specialization in a particular element. Furthermore, Event Horizon with Black Hole will actually nerf elite packs MASSIVELY by sucking up poison, desecration, magma, even the immediate cold things. I consider Sorcerers to be one of the strongest group hunters at the moment due to their assistance to everyone else in the group. They also have a lot of damage reducers available, and because INT applies directly to resists, they're very beefy. Their damage output themselves aren't the most powerful anymore, but it's not bad. I would put them on par with Monks for damage output.



Witch Doctors are interesting, and there's a lot of different ways to play them. Personally, I've been playing my WD by applying DoTs. And I have to say, I'm impressed with how much the DoTs hurt. They're surprisingly effective. With minimal work post 70, my DoTs are doing about 3m crits, while I have a pack of dogs attacking, and am using poison dart for about 700k-1m. I've found a majority of their abilities to be very AoE-centric, but their single-target options lacking. It's REALLY difficult to compare the DoTs with pure damage output, but I would actually consider WDs to be second to DHs in terms of damage. However, likely below Monks/Sorcs for single target DPS.

[SHAFT]

Whirlin, why don't you spend time on your sorcerer guide instead of this fickle diablo game? You're upsetting me.

[Whirlin]

Whirlin, why don't you spend time on your sorcerer guide instead of this fickle diablo game? You're upsetting me.

Why don't you cry more so I can feast on the delicious tears of broken dreams?

[SHAFT]

Why don't you cry more so I can feast on the delicious tears of broken dreams?

I'm a bad customer!

[Jhynnifer]

Whirlin, one word. Blazar.

Also, we may have been nerfed but Witchwood's spec is pretty damn awesome. I'm loving it.

[Some Rogue]

I changed to the Hungering arrow/Cluster Arrow on my DH and use the wolf, with the Ballistics and Blood Vengeance passives. So there are rockets exploding shit everywhere. I went from struggling with T1 to zooming through it now. I'm still squishy and will die if I get caught in a bad spot but the clearing is so much easier and faster that doesn't happen often.

[Whirlin]

My DH Build:
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/demon-hunter#gcXSjO!fgeh!ZcZcYY

My WD Build:
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/witch-doctor#ahYURl!SRWV!baaabb

My Crusader Build (still a wIP):
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/crusader#beilQV!WiVS!YbZZb

[Some Rogue]

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/demon-hunter#aPdlSO!bheS!ZZbbcY

is what I use.

[ThatDamnTep]

Whirlin, one word. Blazar.

Also, we may have been nerfed but Witchwood's spec is pretty damn awesome. I'm loving it.

I'm probably going to switch it up a bit. As fun as pew pew lasers are it's starting to get a little stale. Too bad there's no trading or I'd lend you my stuff.

[Jhynnifer]

I'm probably going to switch it up a bit. As fun as pew pew lasers are it's starting to get a little stale. Too bad there's no trading or I'd lend you my stuff.

Pft... stale. I'm going to stick with it until I finish my Vyr and Tal Rasha sets, once I do that I'm thinking of going with either a fire/meteor build or an arcane one, I haven't decided which way to go yet. I still want electrocute/orb back damnit.

[Methais]

Is there a list of everyone's ID on here to add to friend lists? I'm too lazy to look through the thread, but add Taintedmeat#1216.

[Jhynnifer]

Is there a list of everyone's ID on here to add to friend lists? I'm too lazy to look through the thread, but add Taintedmeat#1216.

Mischka#1831

[ThatDamnTep]

If anyone is still grinding away or thinking about giving it another shot patch 2.05 is live and starting tomorrow it's +100% legendary find and double shards for a week.

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/blog/14005211/and-then-we-doubled-it-happy-birthday-diablo-iii-5-14-2014

[Tgo01]

If anyone is still grinding away or thinking about giving it another shot patch 2.05 is live and starting tomorrow it's +100% legendary find and double shards for a week.

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/blog/14005211/and-then-we-doubled-it-happy-birthday-diablo-iii-5-14-2014

Man I really should get back into the grind. I'm missing my Witch Doctor :(

[Whirlin]

If anyone is still grinding away or thinking about giving it another shot patch 2.05 is live and starting tomorrow it's +100% legendary find and double shards for a week.

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/blog/14005211/and-then-we-doubled-it-happy-birthday-diablo-iii-5-14-2014

Thanks for the info...

I stopped playing after I went on a 5 day streak with 0 upgrades... clocking in like, 5 hours a day.

I mean 0 as in... no better drops, no successful improvement transmutations at the mystic for my existing stuff... nothing.

I'll likely give it a shot for a day and see how it goes.

[Gizmo]

Patch 2.0.5 is good, but also brought some bugs. (They are fixing some issues as we speak)

Another thing, that I am guilty on doing for roughly 9 hours or so last night was opening up T6 level 1 rifts, and clearing them as level 70 for 5minute bloodshard runs that netted in about 100 per...So in roughly 30mins you'd have max shards to gamble with.

On top of that, now that Kadala can gamble class set pieces etc, I already had found 3 pieces of Zunni's for my one WD, along with another piece of Jade Harvester while my buddy finished up his barb set and so forth.

The tears are huge, and I am interested to see what happens once the servers are back up from maintenance.

[ThatDamnTep]

Thanks for the info...

I stopped playing after I went on a 5 day streak with 0 upgrades... clocking in like, 5 hours a day.

I mean 0 as in... no better drops, no successful improvement transmutations at the mystic for my existing stuff... nothing.

I'll likely give it a shot for a day and see how it goes.

I'm at that wall on my mage. So I jumped on to the WD and then the barb. Eventually I'll pass it, but these two are keeping me interested for now.

[Methais]

This game has gotten remarkably boring for me ever since I switched to a frozen orb build from my spectral blade/force wave or whatever it's called build.

[Gizmo]

Servers are up....No fix for the rift shard exploit yet, soooo I'm still doing runs hah

[ThatDamnTep]

Servers are up....No fix for the rift shard exploit yet, soooo I'm still doing runs hah

Message me at WItchwood#1853. I have an ass ton of frags I'll toss in for shards.

[Gizmo]

Message me at WItchwood#1853. I have an ass ton of frags I'll toss in for shards.

I play Hardcore though

[Whirlin]

Servers are up....No fix for the rift shard exploit yet, soooo I'm still doing runs hah

How is it an exploit? You're clearing T6 rifts and getting lots of rift shards... You think you're getting too many shards per clear?

[Gizmo]

How is it an exploit? You're clearing T6 rifts and getting lots of rift shards... You think you're getting too many shards per clear?

Level 1 mobs, in a T6 Rift for 100 shards. Roughly 500 shards per 30mins, then gambling said shard for easy torment specific set pieces...Pretty sure it's not intended.

[Whirlin]

Level 1 mobs, in a T6 Rift for 100 shards. Roughly 500 shards per 30mins, then gambling said shard for easy torment specific set pieces...Pretty sure it's not intended.

Gotcha... You accomplish that by opening the rift with a Level 1 character, and then clearing with a 70?

[Gizmo]

Gotcha... You accomplish that by opening the rift with a Level 1 character, and then clearing with a 70?

Yup!

[Johnny Five]

I stopped playing a little bit back. Did they boost crusaders DPS? Cause I played with one and it was a joke. All he did was allow my treasure goblins to escape cause his dps was CRAP.
My damn follower did more DPS lol.

[Gizmo]

I stopped playing a little bit back. Did they boost crusaders DPS? Cause I played with one and it was a joke. All he did was allow my treasure goblins to escape cause his dps was CRAP.
My damn follower did more DPS lol.

Crusaders saw two buffs over two patches.

They now generate wrath on block for example from a passive...Holy cause deals 10% extra damage regardless now, instead of just to Holy etc.

Akarat's Rally kinda got gimped as did the set for example, but people are playing them again

[Danical]

Here's (http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Dantastical-1827/hero/42853698) my profile if anyone wants to add me.

I might have some time over the weekend to play a little.

Only Hardcore, no Flaccidcore.

[Gizmo]

I'll probably add ya Dan.

Don't forget, 100% chance Legendary drop for a whole week right now, it's pretty noticeable at least to me.

but my god damn other account WD still needs a RoRG before moving forward...God damn bitches.

Also you guys can add me if you want...Either Widgets#1732 or Widgits#1143

[Methais]

Switched back to my Spectral Blade / Wave of Force / Explosive Blast build, and now Diablo is fun again.

I'm failing to see how people say a Frozen Orb / Electrocute build is better damage, because the big yellow numbers that flash across my screen clearly indicate otherwise.

Add Taintedmeat #1216. Not hardcore because my electronic penis is already satisfied.

[ThatDamnTep]

It used to be, before they bug fixed it. FO had a huge explosion radius and was over performing so they dropped it down in patch...I dunno 2.01 or 02? Anyways, this bonus is hilarious. Jhynnifer and I were cleaning up this afternoon and will probably be maging it up later. One more piece and I can run Vyr/Tal at the same time and my epeen will be massive.

[Gizmo]

It used to be, before they bug fixed it. FO had a huge explosion radius and was over performing so they dropped it down in patch...I dunno 2.01 or 02? Anyways, this bonus is hilarious. Jhynnifer and I were cleaning up this afternoon and will probably be maging it up later. One more piece and I can run Vyr/Tal at the same time and my epeen will be massive.

Yeah, on my one WD I am ready to wear Zuni/Blackthorne/Aughilds...Just gotta farm the fucking elusive ring that never pops out of a cache for him. The other WD has like 5 of those rings, but only a Jade set and like 1 piece Zuni, go figure..

[Jhynnifer]

Switched back to my Spectral Blade / Wave of Force / Explosive Blast build, and now Diablo is fun again.

I'm failing to see how people say a Frozen Orb / Electrocute build is better damage, because the big yellow numbers that flash across my screen clearly indicate otherwise.

Add Taintedmeat #1216. Not hardcore because my electronic penis is already satisfied.


You have stack a ridiculous amount of cold dmg for orb/elec to be worthwhile.


It used to be, before they bug fixed it. FO had a huge explosion radius and was over performing so they dropped it down in patch...I dunno 2.01 or 02? Anyways, this bonus is hilarious. Jhynnifer and I were cleaning up this afternoon and will probably be maging it up later. One more piece and I can run Vyr/Tal at the same time and my epeen will be massive.

What's sad is you'll finish yours before I finish mine because yanno... I only ever find duplicate vyrs/tals.

Also, losing the bonus on my cain set kind of makes me sad.

[Loyrl]

Just got 3 pieces of Vyr for my lightning wizard on normal yay. Up to 105~ paragon on HC, still working through expert solo rifts on my wizard, and T1 rifts on my Monk. I don't enjoy playing my monk though, it isn't a very fun solo class.

[Gizmo]

Just did a T4 rift on my WD in Hardcore. Definitely doable, so long as I don't have bad timing or f up my lil rotation or encounter annoying ass packs.

Ran into a pack of Barbed lurkers and had to proc spirit vessel..Those bitches are the most annoying ones I think, otherwise it was smooth sailing

[Jhynnifer]

I'm now rocking Tals/Vyr/Aug and Cains, it's rather disgusting how OP that bounty ring is. (now I just need to make myself play)

[Gizmo]

I'm now rocking Tals/Vyr/Aug and Cains, it's rather disgusting how OP that bounty ring is. (now I just need to make myself play)

Nice

[Gizmo]

Also found a Wand of Woh last night on my WD heh.

For those still up in the air right now about D3 or what not, the recent anniversary buff to legendary drops that everyone was loving, has now been made permanent.

Items are dropping quite often now (While still alot of junk) it's a definite increase and a positive to a degree in terms of gearing up

[subzero]

I got a little chuckle last night when I found Thunderfury on my Witch Doctor.

[Methais]

What does Wand of Woh do?

And Thunderfury?

I haven't found any cool legendary weapons yet. Just non-cool legendary weapons.

[Gizmo]

There are certain weapons/items alot of people look for, pertaining to certain classes....Kinda like how at one point every Barb and their mother tried to get a Shard of Hate.

Use the game guide ya bastard and look them up. Hell, even found a Tasker and Theo today too on top of another TF.

[Warriorbird]

What does Wand of Woh do?

And Thunderfury?

I haven't found any cool legendary weapons yet. Just non-cool legendary weapons.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_ylgEYR8Qhp4/R4T5Sk0EZHI/AAAAAAAAAXs/qH61SJa7NtE/s400/WohLamhe.jpg

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4105/5021045351_b599a5e4aa.jpg

A simple Google guide.

[Some Rogue]

Did someone say Thunderfury, Blessed Blade of the Windseeker?

[Jhynnifer]

a WoH would be ridiculous.... do want. I should log in again. =(

[Methais]

Wand of Woh just gave me a massive e-boner.

Thunderfury being a clone of the WoW version is slightly disappointing though.

[Gizmo]

Wand of Woh just gave me a massive e-boner.

Thunderfury being a clone of the WoW version is slightly disappointing though.

My buddy was begging me to give the wand to him, since I primarily play WD heh. Unfortunately, due to that wand and similar items being so rare, I had to keep it since it was my first one heh

[Whirlin]

Thunderfury being a clone of the WoW version is slightly disappointing though.

Yes, cause it was such a trope in WOW... not surprising there.

It synergizes RIDICULOUSLY well with that legendary Belt that adds lightning damage and lightning on block. Pair up Thunderfury + that belt + some other lightning gear, and you're pretty much set as a Monk or Crusader

[Gizmo]

Methais, come in my stream brah and watch me do some T4 Hardcore with the Chicken King

[Methais]

Methais, come in my stream brah and watch me do some T4 Hardcore with the Chicken King

Watching you stand in place doing nothing was pretty exciting!

[Gizmo]

Watching you stand in place doing nothing was pretty exciting!

lol I went to make pizza, eating right now.

Pop in now ya bish

[Tgo01]

Watching you stand in place doing nothing was pretty exciting!

He was standing around doing nothing and you didn't message me to watch?!

[Methais]

He was standing around doing nothing and you didn't message me to watch?!

I was too busy fapping.

[Whirlin]

Well... Apparently Twitch is trendy now...

http://www.twitch.tv/lordwhirlin

[Methais]

I liked twitch before it was trendy.

http://www.bazaared.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/nerd-hipster-glasses-wayfarer-2.jpg