Diablo III

[Androidpk]

Yeah, this launch has been one giant clusterfuck, full of bugs, exploits, and just flat out shitty design and implementation.

[Gizmo]

Yeah, this launch has been one giant clusterfuck, full of bugs, exploits, and just flat out shitty design and implementation.

It has to be in the top, that's for sure. For me, I'll even say this is likely the worst launch of a game I have ever seen, and played. Especially from such a large and successful company like this

[SHAFT]

Just sold a bow I got for 5k for 200k. Biggest sale ever. I've been pricing things really cheap to sell, decided to mark that one up and see what happened.

[Tgo01]

I still can't get over the early cancel AH "bug." Seriously this game is online only, auctions are designed to last 36 hours with no way of canceling them and yet...the 36 hours is tied to YOUR computer time? So just change the date on your computer and you could cancel auctions anytime you want?

Seriously how did no one think that was a bad idea? I'm almost convinced Blizzard doesn't want to bother fixing this "bug" so they are just going to make it a feature to allow people to cancel auctions at any time. Also I'm still playing, I gave up on my Barbarian though and almost have a DH to Inferno. It's been pretty easy going thus far.

[Tgo01]

Takes some getting used to being a glass cannon in hell though, although it was pretty funny getting hit by Belial's fist attacks 6 times and dodging each of them.

[g++]

Did 10 or so siege breaker runs on the wizard this weekend. Didn't really find anything amazing but I guess its good to know I can do it. Barb unlocked belial inferno so Ill probably unlock Act III on the barb this week as well although I doubt hell be able to go any further without better gear. Kind of planning on just farming siege breaker till the patch and maybe leveling some different classes. Even though I can do act III its so insanely hard its really not worth it. Every elite pack takes 5 minutes of perfect kiting and one mis-step and I'm instantly dead, plus since they nerfed Tyrael mobs reset while hes standing with them which kind of sucks.

[Atlanteax]

Yeah, this launch has been one giant clusterfuck, full of bugs, exploits, and just flat out shitty design and implementation.

Do you ever have anything good to say about Blizzard games?

Heh...

[Atlanteax]

I'll be playing the guild wars 2 beta this weekend, I need a break as well.

I only got to play it for 5 or so total hours yesterday, for the whole weekend ... but I found it fairly impressive.

The crafting element of the game, I like how there are no gathering profession (and they 'cap' crafting professions to 2 at a time, but you have the ability to put one on hold to pick up another and not lose existing progress) ... I thought this was a great design.
My primary qualm is how overwhelming the sheer variety of crafting mats are ... been too used to Blizzard's super-streamlined crafting.

But considering the 'real-time' auction house (where you can sell things to highest current bid if you just want cash now, and buy items at the lowest quoted prices) it seems very economical time-wise to organize what you will need/want for crafting.

Having several high-slot # bags will be critical ... possibly too soon in the game (where you basically only start with +1 4-slot from a quest, aside from the 16-slot backpack) ... but at least the first series of bags (and other professions than tailors can make them) are 10-slots and do not require a lot in mats to create. I think there's 5 bag-slots to begin with, so you'll have at least 66 bag slots assuming all bags are 10-slot bags.

Anyhow, the 'Black Lion Trading Company' is essentially a 'cloud' AH ... so no more lag-fests of everyone crowding into a single room to interact with AH NPCs ... you only need to find a BLTC NPC to interact with if you're 'picking up' proceeds from sells or items from purchases (does not arrive via mail). I'm not sure as to the extent that this reduces server-lag (since the game will not have to instantly mail everything out) and that the 'cloud AH' functions more dynamically (as described above).

Btw, Divinity's Reach was seriously huge ... it felt more as if I was in a genuine city with how much traveling on feet was involved, as well as the sheer # of NPCs.

[TheEschaton]

I really like how GW2 is coming together. Back to D3 for me for now. Maybe even some WoW.

Also, I love that you can just deposit crafting mats from in the world to the special "materials" tab of your bank which doesn't count against your bank space.

[Sean of the Thread]

Ok since I'm frustrated with melee on inferno (monk) and waiting for the next patch I'm currently gold farming for fun and MONIESZZ.

My question is where is a great place to quickly hit up for a run? (gold)

My other question is how do I keep finding stacks of 1 gold with a 200%+ gf gear? What am I missing mechanic wise?

[Tgo01]

My other question is how do I keep finding stacks of 1 gold with a 200%+ gf gear? What am I missing mechanic wise?

Is this happening in Act 1 Inferno? I know they nerfed all gold drop from vases in Inferno Act 1 and I've also heard people claim they nerfed all gold drops period in that act.

[Gizmo]

Is this happening in Act 1 Inferno? I know they nerfed all gold drop from vases in Inferno Act 1 and I've also heard people claim they nerfed all gold drops period in that act.

Not all. Just the more known, notorious and stupidly exploited spots.

I still make about 100k-240k an hour in my spot in Act 1, with 206% GF.

PC should pretty much be here by Thursday, I am hoping.

Looks like the majority of it all is coming from NJ, so I'm stoked about that.

[Androidpk]

Gotta nerf it so they can sell more gold on the RMAH.

[Sean of the Thread]

Yeah it's act 1 inferno.

But still where should I be farming?

[Some Rogue]

Gold doesn't drop from the crates in act 3 or the vases in act 4 anymore either.

One good place to farm is the last stretch from Cydea to Azmodan on nightmare. It's fast and easy and gives decent gold.

[Sean of the Thread]

Gold doesn't drop from the crates in act 3 or the vases in act 4 anymore either.

One good place to farm is the last stretch from Cydea to Azmodan on nightmare. It's fast and easy and gives decent gold.


Where is that exactly?

Also someone mentioned a bridge in act 3?

I'd say i'm sorry for being retarded but that would be redundant.

[Androidpk]

How is that redundant? The bridge leading to the crater.

[Sean of the Thread]

dick

[Sylvan Dreams]

Just in case anyone is having a similar problem with D3...figured this was the best thread.

I was running into an issue where my computer would SHUT OFF while I was playing. Some Googling led me to believe that it was a problem with my graphics card overheating. It's a Radeon something or another - ASUS laptop. The recommendation was to control the fan settings and update the driver. Updated the driver - no change. I downloaded the program to do so and upon installing the program, my computer was stuck in an endless blue screen/reboot cycle. Did a system restore to uninstall the program.

The solution was to disable the windows desktop background slideshow. The images still changed even though the desktop was not in view, and it was putting too much pressure on the graphics card to run the game and the slideshow. I shut off the slideshow and am using a static wallpaper, and the problem has not returned.

[Gizmo]

dick

I'd tell you my easy farming spot, but joo are newb

[Sean of the Thread]

I'd tell you my easy farming spot, but joo are newb

That's pretty shalom of joo.

You told me to do the quills in game and I ain't making shit doing so. :(

[Some Rogue]

Where is that exactly?

Also someone mentioned a bridge in act 3?

I'd say i'm sorry for being retarded but that would be redundant.

They nerfed the chest spawn in the underbridge in Act3.

The place I was talking about was the last quest of Act 3. It's called Heart of Sin. After you kill Cydea, there's the long hallway of shit to kill then you get to Azmodan. Don't kill him but just get the checkpoint outside his door. Port out, restart the game, clear backwards towards the beginning of the hallway and use the port to get back to the Bastion. Rinse and repeat.

[Gizmo]

That's pretty shalom of joo.

You told me to do the quills in game and I ain't making shit doing so. :(

Are you even doing the right quills?

Cause they still drop like 4-8k for me in gold...

Just did 1 run. Started with 106,911 gold...After killing the quills I now have 111,626

[Deathravin]

I just lost a Hardcore 43 Barb in NM act 2...

I was stupid. Very very very stupid. A guy wanted three of us to do that timed dungeon in Act 2. We got separated. Time ran out, then a 4th joined and everything got a bit harder... I got walled in with 40 mobs around me. I would stun and try to TP but I'd miss 1 mob and he'd come up and smack me. Everything was on a timer, most with full health. I got into red... and I got the screen.

I got cocky, and my poor Barb payed the price.

[Gizmo]

I just lost a Hardcore 43 Barb in NM act 2...

I was stupid. Very very very stupid. A guy wanted three of us to do that timed dungeon in Act 2. We got separated. Time ran out, then a 4th joined and everything got a bit harder... I got walled in with 40 mobs around me. I would stun and try to TP but I'd miss 1 mob and he'd come up and smack me. Everything was on a timer, most with full health. I got into red... and I got the screen.

I got cocky, and my poor Barb payed the price.

Yeah that stinks, saw you on a new HC toon I think. Keep in mind though now, since June 8th, Mobs no longer have increased damage during co-op, just still extra health for people joining...They hotfixed the extra damage for more people joining June 8th.

Could be worse though, I heard ALOT of HC people died the other night due to huge server lag/hiccups.

This week/weekend I'll be making my Hardcore character as well if you want a buddy. Co-Op in Hardcore, with smart players, is definitely the way to go now that the damage doesn't increase

[Rinualdo]

Yeah that stinks, saw you on a new HC toon I think. Keep in mind though now, since June 8th, Mobs no longer have increased damage during co-op, just still extra health for people joining...They hotfixed the extra damage for more people joining June 8th.

??

I thought that change was coming in 1.0.3
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/blog/6262208/Patch_103_Design_Preview-6_6_2012

[Gizmo]

??

I thought that change was coming in 1.0.3
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/blog/6262208/Patch_103_Design_Preview-6_6_2012

No, the change to Inferno Acts 2+ damage is coming in 1.03.

June 8th, they rolled a hotfix so that when you play co-op and a friend joins and minions grow stronger....They no longer grow damage wise, only extended health.

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/blog/6214196/Diablo_III_Hotfixes_-_June_-6_9_2012#blog

June 8

General

In cooperative games, monster damage will no longer increase when additional players join the game. Please note that monster health will still scale based on the number of players in a party

[Some Rogue]

It sure doesn't seem like it's any easier....

[Gizmo]

It sure doesn't seem like it's any easier....

Some people are saying that, so who knows what they did, or how much they tweaked it.

[Atlanteax]

It sure doesn't seem like it's any easier....

Health pools are not exactly 'deep' vs the damage being put out ... so it is much harder to gauge.

Going from being 1|2-shotted to 2|3-shotted would seem like an improvement but you're still quite afraid of dying and playing conservatively, so you do not really get to *experience* the 'improved survivability'.

It would be another matter if you were going from being 4|5-shotted to 6|7-shotted, but in D3, the only thing that is death-by-attrition is the mobs...

[Gizmo]

I love Newegg and them having a warehouse in NJ. All of my shit minus my SSD bracket is out for Delivery already.

Looks like Christmas is coming early today, I just hope I can somehow install everything without the SSD bracket and start playin with it

[Loyrl]

Got my new modem installed so I started up a new hardcore barb yesterday and got to lvl 27, A3 normal. Still have my 30 WD A1 NM, and 44 DH A2 NM.

The timed events are a bit crazy on hardcore, I have only completed one and that was the normal version, I tried to do the hell one on my 56 barb with a 56 monk, we completed the dungeon, just not in time. All the champs were bees if I remember correctly...

[Gizmo]

Got my new modem installed so I started up a new hardcore barb yesterday and got to lvl 27, A3 normal. Still have my 30 WD A1 NM, and 44 DH A2 NM.

The timed events are a bit crazy on hardcore, I have only completed one and that was the normal version, I tried to do the hell one on my 56 barb with a 56 monk, we completed the dungeon, just not in time. All the champs were bees if I remember correctly...

Oddly enough, I don't ever remember playing any timed dungeon in Act 2, but that could be since I was playing on my laptop lol

Oh and also, yay Ban Hammers..

We recently issued a round of account suspensions and bans to several thousand Diablo® III players who were in violation of the Battle.net® Terms of Use for cheating and/or using botting or hacking programs while playing. In addition to undermining the spirit of fair play that’s essential to everyone’s enjoyment of the game, botting, hacking, and other such exploitive behavior can contribute to stability and performance issues with the Battle.net service. As always, maintaining a stable, safe, and fun online-gaming experience for legitimate players is a top priority for us, and we'll be continuing to keep watch on Battle.net and take action as needed.

[AnticorRifling]

How were they cheating? Resetting auctions or something else?

[Atlanteax]

How were they cheating? Resetting auctions or something else?

There's some threads now about having seen videos of people demonstrating how to dupe.

[Some Rogue]

Almost all of the duping was on the Asian server, which is why their server was down for more than 24 hours. There was also a crafting bug at the same time, again mostly on the Asia server.

[Gizmo]

How were they cheating? Resetting auctions or something else?

TOS states you can't alter the game whatsoever using third party things, and then there is the gold/item duping.

The Gold duping was huge in all servers.

But I'm sure only a handful of US players will be getting banned compared to Asia, but who knows.

I don't care much about exploiters etc since they don't ruin my gameplay, but it's good to see Blizzard FINALLY fucking doing some work on things.

I for one, even having played like 300 hours on my Barb alone am ALL for a reset/wipe too after all of this shit. It's especially sad when you see all these "Pro" players stream nothing but exploiting things.

Fuck this rain too

[Some Rogue]

I don't care much about exploiters etc since they don't ruin my gameplay, but it's good to see Blizzard FINALLY fucking doing some work on things.



Well they do if you buy anything from the AH since the prices are fucked.




I for one, even having played like 300 hours on my Barb alone am ALL for a reset/wipe too after all of this shit.

If it doesn't ruin your game, why would you want that?



It's especially sad when you see all these "Pro" players stream nothing but exploiting things.

If it doesn't effect you, who cares?


In summary..

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[Gizmo]

Summary:

1) I don't use the AH, so all the overpriced items don't effect me, thus they don't ruin my gameplay.

2) I wouldn't mind a reset since I like even playing fields and fairness for others. I don't NEED a reset, but I wouldn't cry about one if it meant losing all my time spent playing so far...

3) I never said I cared about them exploiting. I care more about the image of "Pro Gamers". I guess in my eyes, the image of a Pro Gamer is one who...well...wouldn't exploit things and do it all in the legit manner or initial intended way.

In Summary:

It's a game, and I don't let others affect my enjoyment of it, so exploiters could be here still and I'd be just as happy as them not being here with a reset etc

[g++]

After I downed Siegebreaker last night for the 30th time this week I decided to start the trek to Azmodan. Downed four packs of mobs and got 3 1k+ dps weapons. Not sure if its just total luck but it seems like pushing past siegebreaker increased the base ilevel on the items. So prolly gonna clear to Azmodan this week, starting to wonder a little if I can down diablo before the nerfs but I doubt it. Not looking forward to the phase beasts at all as I pretty much assume they will instantly one shot me when they phase in.

As far as duping I havent seen any proof its actually happening on US servers. Also why wouldn't the top 3-10 dps weapons all be the same when you search if people were duping? If you look on the AH its pretty hard to find 3 weapons in the top 100 dps that are even similiar never mind identical...If I could dupe the first thing I would do is buy the most expensive weapon on the AH and make 5 of them.

[Gizmo]

After I downed Siegebreaker last night for the 30th time this week I decided to start the trek to Azmodan. Downed four packs of mobs and got 3 1k+ dps weapons. Not sure if its just total luck but it seems like pushing past siegebreaker increased the base ilevel on the items. So prolly gonna clear to Azmodan this week, starting to wonder a little if I can down diablo before the nerfs but I doubt it. Not looking forward to the phase beasts at all as I pretty much assume they will instantly one shot me when they phase in.

As far as duping I havent seen any proof its actually happening on US servers. Also why wouldn't the top 3-10 dps weapons all be the same when you search if people were duping? If you look on the AH its pretty hard to find 3 weapons in the top 100 dps that are even similiar never mind identical...If I could dupe the first thing I would do is buy the most expensive weapon on the AH and make 5 of them.

Yeah I don't think item dupe is rampant in the US, but I am willing to bet the gold dupe was larger.

That and of course you get those nubs falling for the old trade scam and posting every day about it on the forums lol

[AnticorRifling]

What you're saying is you like being caught because you'd dupe something obvious. I'd dupe a faster mover, mid price range.

[Gizmo]

What you're saying is you like being caught because you'd dupe something obvious. I'd dupe a faster mover, mid price range.

I'd dupe blue items/rings/jewelry probably, or something that would seemingly be sold at a Vendor, that could otherwise be bought infinitely anyways.

[AnticorRifling]

Exactly.

You have to go at this Superman III style.

[g++]

What would be the point of that. You can literally make money doing that by just logging in and out of act II without getting a ban. Its just boring. Although I'm not convinced duping is actually happening at all since I have seen no proof except people on the official forums saying their friends cousins dogs uncle said he does it I am going to go out on a limb and say if you can do it and someone is they will be banned and whatever they made will be removed.

This is all going to be moot soon I would imagine since I would bet gold will be completely and totally worthless within 2 months of now.

[Some Rogue]

The youtube videos that I saw were from the Asian servers. Apparently Blizzard hotfixed the US and EU server before saying anything, then took down the Asia server because that was where the problem was. The videos I saw could be fake, but they looked pretty real and I saw a guy just making multiple copies of the same item in the time it took to click on it and drag it to a new spot in his bags.

[Gizmo]

Side note, I'm likely going to start up a HC toon here tonight if anyone wants to join in on it.

[g++]

With the lag spikes lately Im not going near HC. Inferno pisses me off enough as it is.

[Gizmo]

With the lag spikes lately Im not going near HC. Inferno pisses me off enough as it is.

Yeah, kinda sucked from that last spike from what I heard.

I still want to play a new toon in Softcore though I think also, not sure on that entirely yet but Softcore is still a good way to practice any builds too before using them in HC heh.

And yeah, one reason why I don't even bother trying to progress my barb in Inferno until the patch comes. So it's either farm gold, or start new toons in Soft/hardcore

[g++]

So apparently during maintenance a massive ban wave went out on all servers btw.

[Gizmo]

So apparently during maintenance a massive ban wave went out on all servers btw.

Yup.

[Drakefang]

Additionally, they claimed the maintenance would be done by 8AM PDT and now it says 11AM PDT. Fuckers, it's my day off. Fucking Tuesdays seem like update day for everyone.

[Loyrl]

Glad I don't have tuesdays off. If you start a new HC char I'll create a wizard if I'm on with you. Loyrl#1904 I think

[g++]

Is it bad that I woke up this morning feeling like shit and thought "I could call out today but oh yeah its tuesday" guess ill go to work.

[Drakefang]

With the lag spikes lately Im not going near HC. Inferno pisses me off enough as it is.

I embarrassingly enough died during a spike yesterday on ACT II normal. Up to that point, I hadn't even been close to dying. I have a lot to learn before I even attempt HC. When did you guys make the switch to HC, after Hell or Inferno?

[Gizmo]

Glad I don't have tuesdays off. If you start a new HC char I'll create a wizard if I'm on with you. Loyrl#1904 I think

I'll shoot you an add tonight and look for you. I may hold off on creating him once I see you on, it would be nice to play with someone in a group setting. I know a buddy of mine wants to play with me too but he won't be able to play until the 21st since he has alot of Med school exams to take and statements to write up

[Gizmo]

I embarrassingly enough died during a spike yesterday on ACT II normal. Up to that point, I hadn't even been close to dying. I have a lot to learn before I even attempt HC. When did you guys make the switch to HC, after Hell or Inferno?

I gave HC a try I think during me making it into Inferno on Softcore. I just wanted to see what it was all about and how far along I could get with my crap PC and wireless.

Wasn't too far since I think I died at like level 13 or something due to my awesome FPS issues.

But tonight I'll be rolling up another new Barbarian I think, since Loryl looks to be wanting to make a mage. I'll probably go tanky Barb too in HC for better survive-ability until late game when I can get some great gear that will allow me to play 2H or 2 weapon with a bit more ease.

[Drakefang]

I see a lot of the same character classes being played by folks. How is balance? I read the bit about v1.03 trying to level ranged versus melee. My first character is a monk. I planned on trying either a demon hunter or wizard next and play through act 1, again. Are there any classes that people are avoiding simply because they don't compete well with others?

[Tgo01]

I see a lot of the same character classes being played by folks. How is balance? I read the bit about v1.03 trying to level ranged versus melee. My first character is a monk. I planned on trying either a demon hunter or wizard next and play through act 1, again. Are there any classes that people are avoiding simply because they don't compete well with others?

Barbarian and Monks can do very well with good gear, problem is they need very good gear to do well in Infeno. Ranged classes can all do well with shit gear. My DH is doing good in Inferno and I only spent 500k on his gear. I spent millions on my Barbarians gear and he does pretty bad in Act 3 Inferno.

The thing with ranged classes in Inferno is they expect to petty much always get 1 or 2 shotted so they don't care much for vitality or resists while melee classed can't avoid that shit.

[g++]

I play a wizard and a barbarian. I think melee really do hit a brick wall where if you don't have the gear it will take an extreme amount of patience and money to move further through inferno, I do think its possible though and when a barbarian outgears content the entire act is completely faceroll, I can do Act I inferno on my barbarian while i watch tv at this point, I still have to do endless kiting on my wizard and pay attention. Wizard I think is probably the easiest class to push through inferno but it can also be frustrating because so much of your success depends on your play, one mistake and you wont be able to come back, you really have to use the map effectively and think ahead to be successful because in a straight up fight in close quarters everything in inferno will rape you. Demon Hunter is like the extreme glass cannon. Amazing damage and get gibbed by mortars and bullshit all the time. Monk is like a less tanky barb that self heals...again huge gear requirements to get past act II inferno. I have never played or seen a witch doctor in diablo III. I kind of dont think they actually exist.

[Androidpk]

I have a 60 barbarian currently sitting on his ass in act 2 inferno and a wizard that I just started the other day who is on act 4 normal. Played a demon hunter in beta and didn't really care for it and I don't plan on playing a witch doctor because who wants to play a black guy with the shakes?

[Loyrl]

I started HC when my normal char hit 10. That character is now 21 or so. My first HC death was lvl 38 barb, got trapped by a tree and arcane champs in A1 nightmare. After that my 2 58's died to my modem crashing/resetting itself.

[g++]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaYdLlnvzWI

Theres a video of the dupe bug. It only works on asian servers and its not an exploit really. Its a literal bug on asian servers where two servers are over writing each other allowing players to endlessly vendor their bank after last maintenance.

[Atlanteax]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaYdLlnvzWI

Theres a video of the dupe bug. It only works on asian servers and its not an exploit really. Its a literal bug on asian servers where two servers are over writing each other allowing players to endlessly vendor their bank after last maintenance.

Fortunately Blizzard says duping is impossible due to their superior coding work !

[g++]

Fortunately Blizzard says duping is impossible due to their superior coding work !

I don't think they every said that. They said the gold duping from running back your system clock back wont work which is the current hysteria on the officials. They are 100% right. You can actually trace this entire story about gold duping on US servers back to BH.cc (Blizzard Hacks). A single guy lied on there, was disproved within 10 posts and it has been repeated by everyone with a mouth and a diablo III key for like a week now.

[Some Rogue]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaYdLlnvzWI

Theres a video of the dupe bug. It only works on asian servers and its not an exploit really. Its a literal bug on asian servers where two servers are over writing each other allowing players to endlessly vendor their bank after last maintenance.

This is the one I was referring to..


http://youtu.be/g61ivShO0yw

[g++]

I think their both same bug. Its two servers not communicating correctly. Obviously the item should disappear when its moved but its not. Just like the item should disappear from the stash when its moved but its not. Theres likely a garbage collection server set up in Asia that has a massive bug. The other thing is all these items have the same internal primary key when their generated. Blizzard is solving this issue by deleting any duplicate primary keys along with the original primary key. So all the people doing this will lose the original items.

[Some Rogue]

Biggest difference I see is that he has to log out in yours and not in the second one. But I dunno. Pretty retarded either way.

[Atlanteax]

I thought this was a good list of suggestions...

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/5760137741#1


Things I wish would be changed/added/removed as time goes by. Maybe this is pointless, maybe a dev will see it. Not an attempt to QQ, just things that would improve the game from my perspective. Will update as I play/time goes on.

Unrealistic List.

1. Game goes back into official beta. There was no actual beta for diablo 3. The game was not ready, and is still not.

2. Complete wipe to day 1. It is a fast paced game, with fast leveling. With all of the screw ups and bugs, wipe it and let us start fresh and have fun racing/creating a better economy.

3. Add pvp arenas by level. eg wow and etc etc. lvl 20, 40, 60. This does not hurt anyone, but provides a lot of fun and replayability. Stimulates the economy, including the RMAH. Think about all of that money you would get from people twinking! A lot of work? Yes. But I think it would vastly improve the game and support of blizzard.

Realistic List. (note: I'm not trying to make inferno or the game easier, just make it funner/less annoying)

1. Tone down reflect damage. Characters should not be able to almost 1 hit themselves by aoeing a champ group, especially when the champ groups often fully heal even after 1 death.

2. Remove invulnerable mod. I will say this a lot - there's a difference between hard and retarded. This one is retarded.

3. Remove damage from Illusioned mobs. Up their HP if you have to, w/e, but they are Illusions, not clones.

4. Adjust the "charging" units like Oppressors. Their ability to charge from off your screen and 1 hit you isn't hard - it's annoying. Increase their HP, make the charge stun you, lower their accuracy - something.

5. Complete overhaul of all of the skills. The game was preached to have millions of builds. 98% of those builds suck because most of the skills are useless, especially in Inferno. If a blue wants me to be specific, I'd be more than happy to review each skill to my experience so far. (300 hours)

6. Make pots useful again. So what if people farmed them? The answer was to make them drop absolutely nothing? Come on.

7. A ladder realm with resets. You said you didn't want to do ladders, but I implore you to rethink this decision. Add a realm like hardcore, except ladder. I bet you it is extremely popular. The game has almost no replayability like Diablo 2, and this would help. I'd like to play for years, not a month or two. I'm sure you can find a way to make money off of it in the RMAH.

8. Rethink the decision to up repair costs. I have to be blunt and say this is absolutely freaking retarded. Do you not play the game at all? Look at the economy. It's costing upwards of 30mil for decent upgrades. I have farmed the 60+ game probably more than 99.9% of the population, and I haven't upgraded a single piece of gear in a week. Nor am I close. I have 4mil gold. This buys me nothing worth mentioning. Now go play a normal DH in inferno act 3-4 and see how much those repair costs effect you.

9. Add more sockets to items. Gems are boring as it is and will eventually die off. Adding sockets will allow us to play around with more builds = more fun. (i know it goes against the no fun allowed policy, sorry)

10. Make non class specific attributes more useful.

11. Add some versatility to classes. I'd like to play a dual dagger wielding Demon Hunter, or a Sniping Barbarian. I want to play something different, not the same damn thing as everyone else in the game.

12. Quit trying to force us to do one single thing in this game. We don't want to log on and do nothing but farm champ packs, every single day. Make those random purple mobs have a chance to drop good things. Make bosses have a higher chance to drop legends/sets. Make events have worthwhile rewards possible.

13. Remove the disconnect from idle in a game. You already took offline mode - let us go afk 20 minutes without losing our stacks/progress. It takes a long !@# time to kill some of the retarded champ packs, and I'd like to take a jog, then restart on return.

14. This game has the worst latency issues I have ever played, bar low key foreign mmos. I average around 150 ms, sometimes as low as 80, but very briefly. Can often stay in the 200s. In every other game I play, my latency is usually in the 20s and 30s. Was this added on purpose to make it "harder" or a result of the anyone can play anywhere?

15. I read that you purposely put hit boxes larger than what you actually see, in an attempt to make it harder. This is the king of not harder - it's retarded. How you seriously thought this was a viable option, I will never know. You are basically lying to your customers. What's next, invisible mobs that you have to guess where they are? You guys can can come up with something better than that to make things harder. It's just pure annoying.

16. Fix the DH bug where if you smoke screen while taking damage, your health bugs up and your screen stays red. This is HIGHLY annoying and happens A LOT when fighting Diablo. This has only been around since the so called "closed beta". It should be fixed by now. :(

For those that don't know, you can "fix" this by removing a piece of gear with vitality on it. Can be a gamble to do it while fighting Diablo, however.

17. Add more social aspects. For an online game, it sure is lonely. inb4getfriends. (they all quit)

Overall feedback: I won't say the game sucks. It doesn't. It's a pretty decent stand alone game. It is a bit of a disgrace to the Diablo franchise however. The most blaring problem is how the game was released.. way too early. This feels like a paid beta test and that's just not fun!

Trolls may now enter.

QFT on the last bolded...

[Some Rogue]

RMAH is up and prices are stupid. Wonder how long before they come down.

[g++]

I don't. Have seen much better ones. I would actually say the patch notes for 1.0.3 are a better list of changes then that guys. This is just a list of shit he finds annoying. He doesnt like being charged so they should remove mobs that do it? DH who doesnt like Reflect? shocking LOL

[Gizmo]

RMAH is up and prices are stupid. Wonder how long before they come down.

No idea, but I will never pay real cash for a Farming game.

So long as I still have that slight % chance to find an item I'd otherwise want to pay for cash, I'll try my luck at farming for it instead. Although maybe that will change if prices drop and I get annoyed at farming for a year and not finding one item I want heh...Otherwise, there are just some types of games out there I'd rather not spend real cash on...And most Non-MMO type games are just those kind.

Although I'll GLADLY sell items i find while farming on the RMAH if it means any sort of small and minimal profit for me.

I also find it funny Digital Copy purchasers can't use the RMAH until 3 days from now...(30 days Purchase)...Conspiracy?!

Fucking UPS man better come soon the bitch....WOW, Five mins later guess who shows up....HOLLA WHILE I BUILD MY NEW RIG

[AnticorRifling]

I like the "I want to be a snowflake" parts of his list. Optimal builds will always surface and they are optimal for a reason. Just like the "GUYS I WANT TO COME CLEAR HARDMODE PVE WITH YOU BUT I AM PVP SPEC YOU SHOULD LET ME AND IT SHOULD BE VIABLE!"

[g++]

SR look something up for >100 int >100 vit >15% cast speed and tell me how much cash it would cost lol, ring and neck slots.

[Some Rogue]

SR look something up for >100 int >100 vit >15% cast speed and tell me how much cash it would cost lol, ring and neck slots.

FU, I've got 5 stacks on the barb(with no deaths lol). EZ mode ffs.

[Some Rogue]

Also, small sample size and all but it feels like more loot/gold is dropping from mobs. Ran from the northwest gate to the crypt, exploring one dungeon on the way, and I have 5 rares and a bag full of magic items already. Granted they are shitty drops but still seems more than normal.

[g++]

Do you just accidently have more MF on your barb?

[Some Rogue]

nope, even with 5 stacks of the valor buff, I am only at 97% mf. So actually much less.

[Tgo01]

I'm seeing people selling some stuff for $1.25. So if I'm understanding this correctly Blizzard gets 1 dollar off the bat, if the person wants the money deposited into their Paypal account there is an additional 15% fee, so that $1.25 auction gets them 25 cents to their Blizzard balance or 22 cents to their paypal account.

One quarter at a time towards retirement I guess.

[Atlanteax]

I'm seeing people selling some stuff for $1.25. So if I'm understanding this correctly Blizzard gets 1 dollar off the bat, if the person wants the money deposited into their Paypal account there is an additional 15% fee, so that $1.25 auction gets them 25 cents to their Blizzard balance or 22 cents to their paypal account.

One quarter at a time towards retirement I guess.

I have to wonder how many sellers using the RMAH fully understands this...

Assuming that they generally do not, looks like there will eventually be another 'ruckus' on the D3 forums over this.

[Androidpk]

I don't know how it happened but when I used archon on my wizard for the first time I was in uber mode for around 5 minutes instead of the normal 15 seconds.

[Liagala]

I don't know how it happened but when I used archon on my wizard for the first time I was in uber mode for around 5 minutes instead of the normal 15 seconds.
Everything you kill while in that mode extends the duration by another second, I think. So if you just kept the mobs rolling, you'd stay in it for quite a while.

[subzero]

TOS states you can't alter the game whatsoever using third party things, and then there is the gold/item duping.

The Gold duping was huge in all servers.

But I'm sure only a handful of US players will be getting banned compared to Asia, but who knows.

I don't care much about exploiters etc since they don't ruin my gameplay, but it's good to see Blizzard FINALLY fucking doing some work on things.

I for one, even having played like 300 hours on my Barb alone am ALL for a reset/wipe too after all of this shit. It's especially sad when you see all these "Pro" players stream nothing but exploiting things.

Fuck this rain too

All I've got to say is it's a damn good thing they decided to not have an offline mode so they can prevent all that cheating and shit. :buttkick:

[subzero]

I have a 60 barbarian currently sitting on his ass in act 2 inferno and a wizard that I just started the other day who is on act 4 normal. Played a demon hunter in beta and didn't really care for it and I don't plan on playing a witch doctor because who wants to play a black guy with the shakes?

They wouldn't let me be Tyrone Biggums in Gemstone, but they don't care in Diablo!


I have to wonder how many sellers using the RMAH fully understands this...

Assuming that they generally do not, looks like there will eventually be another 'ruckus' on the D3 forums over this.

It has been my experience that the majority of people are absolute fucking retards when it comes to in-game auction houses. I'm not surprised by this in the least.

"A profit is a profit! Derp derp"

[Some Rogue]

Also, small sample size and all but it feels like more loot/gold is dropping from mobs. Ran from the northwest gate to the crypt, exploring one dungeon on the way, and I have 5 rares and a bag full of magic items already. Granted they are shitty drops but still seems more than normal.

So, starting at the part where you open the northwest gate and going through the start of the spider cave and only doing 2 random dungeons, I've made about 160k and got a belt upgrade. Found quite a few 600+ dps weapons also which seems a bit more than normal.

[Gizmo]

My new PC is up and running, woot

[Tgo01]

Just for the hell of it I started putting up shitty blues on the RMAH for $1.25 (the lowest you can go) and so far I actually sold one. Made a whole quarter so far! But seriously I can't believe it sold period, I would have made a whopping 600 gold from it by vendoring it.

[Androidpk]

I can't believe how many items are up for $250, wonder how many actually sell.

[Gizmo]

I probably came in my pants like 4 times already. The new PC is flawless. Everything Maxed out, 1080p, holla!

And I haven't done shit yet but run circles in town hah...Anyone up for starting a HC dude tonight with Loryl and I?

[Alfster]

That's pretty shalom of joo.

You told me to do the quills in game and I ain't making shit doing so. :(

What you need...is to not be afk at the menu. and we can rape some shit together.

[Androidpk]

Everything you kill while in that mode extends the duration by another second, I think. So if you just kept the mobs rolling, you'd stay in it for quite a while.

Yup, you're right, and I'm loving it. I was able to get the achievement for 30 kills at once using it. Fired mah lazer beams and spun in a rapid 360 circle. Good times.

[Sean of the Thread]

I love Newegg and them having a warehouse in NJ. All of my shit minus my SSD bracket is out for Delivery already.

Looks like Christmas is coming early today, I just hope I can somehow install everything without the SSD bracket and start playin with it

You don't need a bracket for a SSD. You can even just tape that bitch to the case or a bay or whatever.

[Gizmo]

You don't need a bracket for a SSD. You can even just tape that bitch to the case or a bay or whatever.

yeah, I had a herp derp moment and forgot my case had two brackets.

[Sean of the Thread]

They nerfed the chest spawn in the underbridge in Act3.

The place I was talking about was the last quest of Act 3. It's called Heart of Sin. After you kill Cydea, there's the long hallway of shit to kill then you get to Azmodan. Don't kill him but just get the checkpoint outside his door. Port out, restart the game, clear backwards towards the beginning of the hallway and use the port to get back to the Bastion. Rinse and repeat.

Not bad at all. I've got +225 GF just made 8k on that run and several rares all in like what under five minutes?

*And the next two runs netted the same amount of gold. Gonna try it on hell. Bwhaha 5th run netted a legendary gold find/movement speed ring. Unity. Sweet.


*** Hell13k or so a run not worth it.

[Buckwheet]

Is there a nice farm spot in Act 2? I picked up some good gear on the AH to help offset the fucking bees in act 2 but need to round out my equipment to move to act 3.

[g++]

Is there a nice farm spot in Act 2? I picked up some good gear on the AH to help offset the fucking bees in act 2 but need to round out my equipment to move to act 3.

In inferno? I just go black canyon mines kill 2 packs, road to alcarnus kill 2 packs, then port to kuul and check each side for the easier pack for the fifth and then kill kuul and reset the game. I think I could do Belial on my barb but since kuul is incredibly easy and has the same loot table I don't see a point.

[Atlanteax]

Anyone else read GU Comics? He does real nice artwork and is a gamer (mostly WoW).

http://gucomics.com/comics/2012/gu_20120612.jpg


Blizzard has given notice to Diablo 3 hackers and cheaters... "stop or be banned". [more info] Now, I know I'm a cynical jackass so you have to take my response with that in mind. It just seems silly. They're hackers and cheaters. Does Blizzard really think a "permanent ban" is going to have a severe enough impact to swear them off actions that they already knew carried a risk of being banned? Silly. Hey don't you jump in that water puddle or your socks are totally going to get wet.

Do I have a good answer? Nope. Wish I did. I'd write an article and forward it on. But I have zero doubt that action on Blizzard's part would have to be much more severe to even make any kind of difference. I also have zero doubt however that Blizzard will ever ramp up their response. This threat of a permanent ban is for those of us who aren't hacking or cheating. The ones of us who weren't likely of hacking or cheating in the first place. Even at that it's not really meant to threaten us. It's meant to make us feel better. Ooo Ooo... hackers and cheaters are being punished. Most of us already know that though. So all this threat really does is to make sure that it's reported that Blizzard is responding.

All that being said let me just add...
Diablo 3 Hackers and Cheaters! You got sit in your timeout chair and think about what you've done.

I saw the official Blizzard threat announcing some bans ... it probably works out for them in the sense that the hackers will have to buy additional more copies to offset the banned registration codes.

I'm honestly not sure why Blizzard is not more aggressive about banning, considering all the kudos posts that they got in that thread. Are they too worried about the extra work that will be involved in unbanning those that were 'wrongfully' banned (if they broaded their scope and applied the banhammer more aggressively) ?

[Ashliana]

Yup, you're right, and I'm loving it. I was able to get the achievement for 30 kills at once using it. Fired mah lazer beams and spun in a rapid 360 circle. Good times.

Archon + Izual fight = fun times. Spinning laser tower of death.

[subzero]

I saw the official Blizzard threat announcing some bans ... it probably works out for them in the sense that the hackers will have to buy additional more copies to offset the banned registration codes.

I'm honestly not sure why Blizzard is not more aggressive about banning, considering all the kudos posts that they got in that thread. Are they too worried about the extra work that will be involved in unbanning those that were 'wrongfully' banned (if they broaded their scope and applied the banhammer more aggressively) ?

I believe they say that they want to make thorough investigations and prefer mass banning to prevent hackers being tipped off that the hacks have been busted, resulting in new hacks being available before all the prior cases may have been discovered/resolved.

[g++]

For Belial a legitimate strat is to blow archon off the bat and ride it all the way to phase 3. You can go from phase 1 to phase 3 in under 30 seconds since the adds spawn so aggressively. Its not the build that actually got me past him but it does work.

[Gizmo]

So, now that the RMAh has been out, anyone intend on giving it a go?

I'm iffy on it myself in terms of selling, since right now for me it's damn near difficult to find top end items that would otherwise sell. In order for me to do that, I'd have to probably level up my DH, get him to Act 3/4 Inferno than farm away.

But I just don't see it being a good investment time wise. I'd rather still just play Hardcore, and maybe farm in Softcore from time to time

[SHAFT]

I put up 10 items at the prices that were suggested and haven't sold anything. I did find a bunch of really nice items for dirt cheap, like 2-3 bucks each. If I sell some items for cash I'll buy from the RMAH, but I'm not putting cash into it.

[Liagala]

Anyone know how Blizzard arrives at the suggested prices? I mostly ignored them when I was listing stuff yesterday.

[g++]

I bought some stuff. Got a sacred shield with +block for 10 bucks for my warrior and an IAS ring for my wizard. I really dont give a shit If it means I spend 8 less hours farming and instead doing work It will pay for itself.

[Gizmo]

Yeah, that's my problem. But I'm also waiting on 1.03 to see how things go.

If I still can't beat Act 1, at least I can farm act 1 now to possibly still find the best tiered gear to sell on the RMAH.

But I'm not jumping on the wagon just yet buying anything due to 1.03 making things "Easier" by Blizzard. So we'll see how that goes once it hits, but by then the RMAH market may have settled some and people won't be paying/charging stupid prices for dumb worthless items.

It's amazing how many people in these games don't grasp economics and really ruin the market because of their idea on values and such.

I still think I'll refuse to buy anything though since this game doesn't give me as much enjoyment as others would and the fact I could either spend 200 bucks on an item, or find it later by farming in my free time. With my luck the first item I buy for a decent price, 10mins later I'll find a better one to replace it...granted I could sell one of them, that's not the point for me

[Tgo01]

Anyone know how Blizzard arrives at the suggested prices? I mostly ignored them when I was listing stuff yesterday.

A penny for each gold the item would vendor for.

[Dranock]

Monk is clearing through act II inferno, wizard is on act IV. I need to remake my HC character. Still having shit luck on items for my wizard

[Ashliana]

I put up a few items on the RMAH to see if they'd sell--just got an e-mail:

Congratulations on your successful auction in Diablo III!
Sale price: $4.00. Transaction fee: $1.00. Your proceeds: $3.00.

Wee! I'm rich! It's safe to assume I can quit my job and play Diablo III professionally now.

:lol:

[Atlanteax]

Heh, this thread has me rolling: http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/5794070055

and continued: http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/5805750589

Some select quotes:


"We don't release games until they're ready. Oh btw PVP isn't in the game yet."
"Merging with Activision wont change us"
"In a game that revolved around loot we've nerfed chests, farming spots, and boss drops so that you can have a better playing experience. Have I mentioned you can purchase items on the rmah?"
"You're too naive to know where and how to place attribute points, let us do that for you"
"We will decide when you are having fun."
"We heard our players loud and clear, and we've got some great changes coming their way - First, all soul lashers are now champions."
"Wow, some players rarely use these skills.... Hmmm.... Let's nerf all the other skills to match them!"

Several posters re-quoted:

"The RMAH is a feature. You don't have to use it but if you don't we will take away the gold auction house."
"The story has received overwhelmingly positive feedback"
"We got a lot of positive feedback on Diablo 3's story. All our kids loved it."
"SURPRISE!" -Activision Blizzard Inc.

And my favorite of the bunch:

"In the original Diablo games the very hells were out to get the players. In Diablo 3, we wanted to add a new challenge, so now our developers are out to get the players too."

[TheEschaton]

While it won't make you rich, I think I'll be able to easily pay my WoW subscription with D3.

[Fallen]

Anyone else miss socketed runes? I hope a future expansion brings those back to the game.

[Rinualdo]

Can anyone name a game that was released in the last decade that didn't have a similar level of QQ at launch? Or a similar level of QQ to this day?

[Drew]

Can anyone name a game that was released in the last decade that didn't have a similar level of QQ at launch? Or a similar level of QQ to this day?

Non MMORPG, not really. How long ago was Battleship 3000AD released?

[Fallen]

Can anyone name a game that was released in the last decade that didn't have a similar level of QQ at launch? Or a similar level of QQ to this day?

Were (most) people happy with Starcraft 2 at launch? I suppose it is only fair to look at sequels as people will have set expectations going into them.

[Ceyrin]

Can anyone name a game that was released in the last decade that didn't have a similar level of QQ at launch? Or a similar level of QQ to this day?

Gemstone.

[Atlanteax]

Were (most) people happy with Starcraft 2 at launch? I suppose it is only fair to look at sequels as people will have set expectations going into them.

I was happy with SC2 at launch, I think the player-base was predominantly happy too. WC3 is probably older than 10 years at this point tho, to be another game.

I don't recall if there was *this* kind of QQ when Aion (for the western market) was released, or for RIFT. This is, disregarding any server-stability QQ that *all* MMOs have had issues with at launch.

[Rinualdo]

People have and continue to bitch about race imba with SC2. They complain about the game being split into three parts and paying for them. Most major Korean players still play SC1 with all the perceived problems with SC2.

On the single player front, most people were relatively happy, but on the whole, there was/is just as much SC2 QQ as any other game.

[Rinualdo]

I was happy with SC2 at launch, I think the player-base was predominantly happy too. WC3 is probably older than 10 years at this point tho, to be another game.

I don't recall if there was *this* kind of QQ when Aion (for the western market) was released, or for RIFT. This is, disregarding any server-stability QQ that *all* MMOs have had issues with at launch.

Rift? There was a ton of complaints about Rift. Lack of auction house, missing guild features, no guild bank, no end game, player hacks were huge, etc..

People have short memories.

[Some Rogue]

Rift? There was a ton of complaints about Rift. Lack of auction house, missing guild features, no guild bank, no end game, player hacks were huge, etc..

People have short memories.

And tend to look back with rose colored glasses...

4 years down the road, people will probably look back at Wrath and Cata as the pinnacle of WoW too.

[TheEschaton]

People forget wrath had one of the most interesting stories in Warcraft lore, the best raid Blizzard ever put out (along with the worst one), and the best end-expansion boss.

Cataclysm had amazing heroics and a really good first tier, which is still among many raiders' favorites. The story of the expansion sucked and so did the later tiers.

That being said, I think these expansions will be noted for their distinct shift in design philosophy. In TBC and before, the vast majority of the population never killed KJ or KT in Naxx40, and that was okay - no one expected everyone to complete everything. That philosophy is gone out the window with Blizzard trying to please their casual majority who want to kill the last boss but without needing the effort of strongly organized and dedicated raiding to do it.

[AnticorRifling]

Go a step back further most people didn't kill Nefarion or C'thun. Hell most guilds never dropped a boss in AQ40 and only a small % (compared to the overall population) cleared BWL.

[Gizmo]

heh. The RMAH sell value is based on the actual gold Sell value of the item. 530 gold = 5.30 dollars.

[Deathravin]

I don't like that they opened RMAH up for items. It should be strictly for gold - then you buy items with that gold.

[Gizmo]

I don't like that they opened RMAH up for items. It should be strictly for gold - then you buy items with that gold.

yeah it's kinda weird how it all works out.

[Gizmo]

Going to start my streaming now that everything is setup, only issue is I can't see my channels chat since I don't have two monitors just yet to do so :( But soon I guess....Anyhow, when I'm playing, it should be up barring no internet disconnects like that have been occuring since late last night...Made me lose my Level 18 HC Barb too Loryl today :(

[Loyrl]

WHAT! That sucks, a friend of mine wants to start a barb, so I said I might start a Monk with him. So it looks like you can start again ;p

[Gizmo]

WHAT! That sucks, a friend of mine wants to start a barb, so I said I might start a Monk with him. So it looks like you can start again ;p

yeah, started a new one today. I was like noooo internet is down, as I was fighting a pack of Fallen and messing with my Twitch stream.

[Eoghain]

Just bought D3! Add me as a friend! Shadynasty#1292 I have no idea what I'm doing yet, and I forgot to bring my wireless mouse to NYC with me, so I'm legit playing on a fucking laptop mouse. It's awful and I can't wait to get home to L.A. to play on my dual screen desktop. Holler!

[Androidpk]

Overtired and far too much caffeine but I just beat HC on normal for the first time playing it. I think I played with some other peeps from the PC here but I might have been hallucinating.

[Gizmo]

Overtired and far too much caffeine but I just beat HC on normal for the first time playing it. I think I played with some other peeps from the PC here but I might have been hallucinating.

haha you tard. It was me and Loryl you played with

[Tgo01]

Okay so who is either starting new characters or is taking a break from this game until the patch?

I'm the former at the moment, almost to the point of the latter.

[Buckwheet]

I am on break until 1.03. Last night I got killed with over 1500 resists and 9000 armor in one shot. Also there is a rumor they have stealth nerfed poison hydra to no longer stack. I wish they would stop nerfing class abilities until they get the entire inferno difficulty figured out.

[Gizmo]

Okay so who is either starting new characters or is taking a break from this game until the patch?

I'm the former at the moment, almost to the point of the latter.

Myself, PK, and Loryl have been playing Hardcore now, to kinda help hold at least myself over until 1.03 comes out.

Last night we steam rolled normal, granted it is normal, but it's still fun to play with 3 people whooping on shit.

If you want to try out a new HC guy, let me know. I'll easily make another one to play with ya.

Or Softcore, doesn't matter. Still haven't played like 3 other of the classes yet

[Androidpk]

Myself, PK, and Loryl have been playing Hardcore now, to kinda help hold at least myself over until 1.03 comes out.

Last night we steam rolled normal, granted it is normal, but it's still fun to play with 3 people whooping on shit.

If you want to try out a new HC guy, let me know. I'll easily make another one to play with ya

Did you notice my super close call near the beginning of act 3? Fucking goblin..

[Gizmo]

Did you notice my super close call near the beginning of act 3? Fucking goblin..

I think so, I try to watch everyone's health while playing and that one part in Act 3 during the siege area I remember your health almost dropping to 0 while I was up top killin shit and Loryl was ahead of you some.

When that happens I try to leap in and draw the aggro more and crap

[Androidpk]

I think so, I try to watch everyone's health while playing and that one part in Act 3 during the siege area I remember your health almost dropping to 0 while I was up top killin shit and Loryl was ahead of you some.

When that happens I try to leap in and draw the aggro more and crap

I was pretty shocked that I didn't die. I noticed a goblin on the top left corner of my screen and I'm like "OOOH!" So without checking I run out into the wide open area and suddenly I'm surrounded on all sides with mortars going off and I got pounded. My screen is flashing red, my health potion is on cool down, and I used the last of my energy to vault in the wrong direction... right into a group of monsters. So I'm running frantically back to safety and I see nothing but *dodge dodge dodge* pop up on my screen. I felt like Forrest Gump when he's being chased by those bullies while he's wearing the metal braces on his legs.

[TheEschaton]

I've been real busy this week at work, and last weekend was the GW2 beta, and this weekend is the Secret World beta which I'm trying to get into, but I'm all for D3 in a bit. I like leveling and learning the ins and outs of builds. I can do Act I Inferno easily on my wizard, but I have no real desire to til 1.03.

[Gizmo]

I was pretty shocked that I didn't die. I noticed a goblin on the top left corner of my screen and I'm like "OOOH!" So without checking I run out into the wide open area and suddenly I'm surrounded on all sides with mortars going off and I got pounded. My screen is flashing red, my health potion is on cool down, and I used the last of my energy to vault in the wrong direction... right into a group of monsters. So I'm running frantically back to safety and I see nothing but *dodge dodge dodge* pop up on my screen. I felt like Forrest Gump when he's being chased by those bullies while he's wearing the metal braces on his legs.

Yeah, I saw it drop pretty quick and I was like oh man, will we get our first death?!

[Gizmo]

Got my dual monitor setup now, so I can actually watch my stream chat while I stream.

So if anyone ever wants to jump in my stream while I am playing, and let me know how the quality is etc that would be awesome while I fine tune all of this to best suit my internet/pc and all.

[subzero]

Any of you take a FPS hit with the last patches? I went from running around at 90-100 FPS and the shit stutters sometimes just casting fuckin fire bomb. Logged in the other night and died before I could move or do anything to the attackers thanks to a leet <10 FPS. Been running around now between 60-80 FPS, but combat tends to drop it.

[Gizmo]

Any of you take a FPS hit with the last patches? I went from running around at 90-100 FPS and the shit stutters sometimes just casting fuckin fire bomb. Logged in the other night and died before I could move or do anything to the attackers thanks to a leet <10 FPS. Been running around now between 60-80 FPS, but combat tends to drop it.

Not sure, I could turn on my FPS while I play and check it.

Although typically I notice 0 stutter while playing still and not streaming. If I stream there is a slight stutter since I'm not using any capture card while doing it, just the actual PC

[Sean of the Thread]

I'll roll an HC with you all after I come to a melee halt in inferno on this fucking monk.

[Gizmo]

I'll roll an HC with you all after I come to a melee halt in inferno on this fucking monk.

Word. A few of us roll HC now, I just started playing tonight with some random stream viewer lol

[g++]

I am on break until 1.03. Last night I got killed with over 1500 resists and 9000 armor in one shot. Also there is a rumor they have stealth nerfed poison hydra to no longer stack. I wish they would stop nerfing class abilities until they get the entire inferno difficulty figured out.

Just thought id mention my Hydra seems to be still kicking ass and taking names. If they nerfed it, I cant tell.

[g++]

In act IV now, downed a few elite packs and then got rofl stomped by Rakanoth for a bit. Will have to change build to get past him apparently :/

[Sean of the Thread]

Is there an easier way to farm fucking izual for the plans of herding?

It's just annoying as fuck.

[Jhynnifer]

Just thought id mention my Hydra seems to be still kicking ass and taking names. If they nerfed it, I cant tell.

If you think your hydra kicks ass now, equip a weapon with life on kill... instant 3k+ heals = funtimes.

[g++]

If you think your hydra kicks ass now, equip a weapon with life on kill... instant 3k+ heals = funtimes.

Yah I know. Kind of necessary to get past the reflect elites.

Keep an amulet in my bag with life on kill though..dont think its worth actually having the stat on my weapon regularly.

[Androidpk]

I'd rather have life on hit, especially if you can find a nice weapon with a large amount on it.

[g++]

Life on hit/Life steal doesnt work with blizzard or venom hydra so if your a wizard in inferno its utterly worthless unless your playing a weird spec.

[Gizmo]

Is there an easier way to farm fucking izual for the plans of herding?

It's just annoying as fuck.

Kill him on Normal.

[Some Rogue]

Kill him on Normal.Which only gets you the normal version. You still need to get each plan for each level.


Is there an easier way to farm fucking izual for the plans of herding?

It's just annoying as fuck.


Kill Diablo, leave the game, resume game, buy the plan for 1g from the merchant in the Keep.

[TheEschaton]

Once you get tot he Izual checkpoint in whatever difficulty, teleport back to Bastion Keep and pick up the plan from the vendor. You do have to farm the normal one off normal Izual though.

[Gizmo]

Which only gets you the normal version. You still need to get each plan for each level.




Kill Diablo, leave the game, resume game, buy the plan for 1g from the merchant in the Keep.

Sure, but you only have to kill Izual ONCE for the plan. After that you just buy the rest from the merchant in the Keep.

And you also don't have to kill Diablo to get them. You can do the Public quest session trick to jump right into any difficulty of the right quest, and buy it from him then.

That's what I did for my Inferno version

[Sean of the Thread]

Well fuck I must be having terrible luck. Shit won't drop.

[Gizmo]

Well fuck I must be having terrible luck. Shit won't drop.

It will be a white highlight item, that looks like "Plan: Staff of Herding"

but yeah, just keep killing him on normal till it drops.

[Some Rogue]

That trick didn't work for me when I was trying to get the hell version. I had to kill Diablo.

[TheEschaton]

I think they've since hotfixed you joining games you can't actually get to yourself.

[Gizmo]

Late night random SC shenanigans with TG.... 25min video... http://www.twitch.tv/widgits/b/321720939

[subzero]

Well fuck I must be having terrible luck. Shit won't drop.

I think it took me between 11-15 kills to get it. I probably ran about 10 times looking for Chillara(?) to get the gemstone.

[Sean of the Thread]

fuck it I'm at around my 40th run now I'mma gonna say screw it. They're not fast runs either shit takes forever.

[Gizmo]

fuck it I'm at around my 40th run now I'mma gonna say screw it. They're not fast runs either shit takes forever.

40 is alot...

[subzero]

That is pretty rough indeed. I was on the edge of having frustration set in when mine dropped.

[Buckwheet]

In inferno? I just go black canyon mines kill 2 packs, road to alcarnus kill 2 packs, then port to kuul and check each side for the easier pack for the fifth and then kill kuul and reset the game. I think I could do Belial on my barb but since kuul is incredibly easy and has the same loot table I don't see a point.

So I have tried this three times now. As soon as I click on the teleporter it drops all my stacks of NV. So this is currently not working.

[g++]

So I have tried this three times now. As soon as I click on the teleporter it drops all my stacks of NV. So this is currently not working.

Uh what? Dude thats a massive bug you should hit the blizzard forums. That has never happened to me.

oh wait you mean when you leave the game. Yeah it does you build 5 stacks over and over again for the gauranteed rares off Kuul, its a standard farming strategy. If you want to keep you're stacks up you cant bounce the game.

[Gizmo]

Took out Belial so far in NM. Not a huge feat but it is Hardcore after all.

Oh, I also got banned for 3 days from the forums for Spamming/Trolling?

All because I made one reply to some silly thread in General about D3 vs Girlfriend....They really are horrible at moderation, especially given my light and humorous reply heh

[Androidpk]

Took out Belial so far in NM. Not a huge feat but it is Hardcore after all.


Did you have any poison resist?

[Buckwheet]

Uh what? Dude thats a massive bug you should hit the blizzard forums. That has never happened to me.

oh wait you mean when you leave the game. Yeah it does you build 5 stacks over and over again for the gauranteed rares off Kuul, its a standard farming strategy. If you want to keep you're stacks up you cant bounce the game.

No. I go to one place kill elites. Hit the teleport pad and it drops the buff. I don't leave the game.

[Gizmo]

Did you have any poison resist?

Probably not. Typically all the way thru nightmare I don't worry about resists and stuff since before I had no issue with it.

But with the gear I had on, my resists were all 19 minus Cold. Cold is 63

[g++]

No. I go to one place kill elites. Hit the teleport pad and it drops the buff. I don't leave the game.

I have never heard of that happening. Unless your switching skills, switching skills kills the buff.

[SHAFT]

Getting really frustrated. I get geared to the point act 1 inferno is easy, get to act 2 and I can't get past the first few mobs. Anything worthwhile as an upgrade costs 500k+. I've about had it. So tired of farming act 1

Reactivated my wow account today and just flew around for a while. Looked for aeonaxx and tlpd for a bit, even though I have both. Looking forward to mists

[SpiffyJr]

Getting really frustrated. I get geared to the point act 1 inferno is easy, get to act 2 and I can't get past the first few mobs. Anything worthwhile as an upgrade costs 500k+. I've about had it. So tired of farming act 1

Reactivated my wow account today and just flew around for a while. Looked for aeonaxx and tlpd for a bit, even though I have both. Looking forward to mists

Welcome to me two weeks ago. Haven't played since.

[Sean of the Thread]

Same thing here. I started a HC to wait for patches in hopes enjoying the game again.

[Buckwheet]

Yeah I don't know what I am doing wrong. But I am just so frustrated right now I think I am going to just stop playing. I swore I wasn't going to do shit until 1.03 and this weekend just made it worse. I don't know what other people are doing that I just am not doing but I have gear equal to or better than what a lot of folks are posting on diablofans.com saying they are farming 3/4.

Armor: 8,314 w/energy armor
Resits:1058 to everything with energy armor buff.
DPS from character tab: 29,806
DPS from popular spreadsheet: 29,937
Health:17,398
Health per second:1,512

I am using:

hydra - Venom
Blizzard - Snowbound
Frost Nova - Cold Snap
Diamond Skin - Crystal Shell
Mirror Image - Duplicates
Energy Armor - Prismatic Armor
Evocation
Blur
Illusionist

Diablo is hard, don't stand in the fire and all the other obligatory bullshit. Here are pictures of my gear. Any suggestions would be great.

https://plus.google.com/photos/107806407587049026677/albums/5755178016473190401?authkey=CLKgnMeKq-Du1QE

[Tgo01]

I'm beginning to think "farming" is being used in Diablo 3 differently than what "farming" means in WoW. In WoW when something is on "farm" it usually means the raid goes in there and one shots everything and collects easy loot. In Diablo 3 people seem to be using the word "farming" to mean that they can actually down the boss, doesn't matter how long it takes them, whether or not they skip elite packs or how many times they die in the process.

Only thing I can think of. If not then I'm in the same boat as you Buckwheet, I see people claiming to be farming Act 3/4 with worse gear than my Barbarian and I can hardly take two steps inside without getting my face smashed in. Just leveling my wizard in the meantime, figure I'll just work on achievements until the patch comes out. Frustrating beyond words.

[Buckwheet]

I'm beginning to think "farming" is being used in Diablo 3 differently than what "farming" means in WoW. In WoW when something is on "farm" it usually means the raid goes in there and one shots everything and collects easy loot. In Diablo 3 people seem to be using the word "farming" to mean that they can actually down the boss, doesn't matter how long it takes them, whether or not they skip elite packs or how many times they die in the process.

Only thing I can think of. If not then I'm in the same boat as you Buckwheet, I see people claiming to be farming Act 3/4 with worse gear than my Barbarian and I can hardly take two steps inside without getting my face smashed in. Just leveling my wizard in the meantime, figure I'll just work on achievements until the patch comes out. Frustrating beyond words.

g++ makes it sound like its no big deal for them to farm up 5 elite groups and take down Kulle. I tried to do that tonight and after three red repairs and getting to only 3 buffs because of it falling off. I just called it quits. Jailer, molten, fire chain, extra health imps were the first elite set that kicked my ass all over the map. The second set was the bees and they were plagued, fast, frozen, vortex. The third set was arcane enchanted, vortex, molten, jailer skeletons, and the fourth set was plagued, vortex, immune minions, waller skeletons.

I just can't kill that shit.

[Gizmo]

Well, RIP IPityDaFoo!

Just lost my level 50 HC Barb the MOMENT we start Azmodan in NM, I lose internet for about 1minute if that...It's done this now a few times, and luckily I avoided death when it's happened. Well, not tonight :(

PK and Loryl had the luxury of watching me go down without a fight haha

[Androidpk]

I kind of figured something like that happened when he dropped that black shit under your feet and you weren't moving, sucks man. I tried to drag you but you had your group closed.

[Kuyuk]

<<I tried to drag you but you had your group closed.>>

I lol'd.

[Gizmo]

I kind of figured something like that happened when he dropped that black shit under your feet and you weren't moving, sucks man. I tried to drag you but you had your group closed.

Yeah, I lost internet the moment he started stepping out of his little home in the wall there. Ah well, it shouldn't take too long to get another Barb up to level 49. That guy had 31 hours playtime.

Luckily too I just lost the gear he was wearing, I stashed everything before hand, such as my Blacksmith Legendary plans I had found earlier.

[Sean of the Thread]

<<I tried to drag you but you had your group closed.>>

I lol'd.

Hehe I'm still lol'n.

[Sean of the Thread]

Well if some of you gangstas are fed up as well start an HC character with us until 1.03.

My face gets red when the screen turns red.

[g++]

g++ makes it sound like its no big deal for them to farm up 5 elite groups and take down Kulle. I tried to do that tonight and after three red repairs and getting to only 3 buffs because of it falling off. I just called it quits. Jailer, molten, fire chain, extra health imps were the first elite set that kicked my ass all over the map. The second set was the bees and they were plagued, fast, frozen, vortex. The third set was arcane enchanted, vortex, molten, jailer skeletons, and the fourth set was plagued, vortex, immune minions, waller skeletons.

I just can't kill that shit.

RealID me, ill give you some way points and tell you what spec I use.

[SHAFT]

I have so much gear at reasonable prices and it won't sell. I figure I just need to upgrade gear and I'll be fine but I only make 200-300k in gold per run for butcher. Just tired of doing it. I'm at 42k dps am tons of resistance and the reg mobs in act 2 are 1 shotting me. Whatever

With hc, eventually you're gonna die on nightmare, or maybe you get lucky and make it to hell where you'll die. What's the point? If you some how make it to inferno you'll defintely die

[Ashliana]

Just sold two more items on the RMAH--one for $3, and another for $30. The $30 item was a 500 or 600 DPS one-handed crossbow I bought for my DH a week ago for 90k gold off the regular AH, with reduced level requirement (Lv51). Once I make back the price of the game I'll be happy.

[Tgo01]

Just sold two more items on the RMAH--one for $3, and another for $30. The $30 item was a 500 or 600 DPS one-handed crossbow I bought for my DH a week ago for 90k gold off the regular AH, with reduced level requirement (Lv51). Once I make back the price of the game I'll be happy.

You serious? People be crazy. I know reduced level requirement is nice and all but 30 bucks? Those kinds of weapons aren't that rare.

[g++]

Yeah I don't know what I am doing wrong. But I am just so frustrated right now I think I am going to just stop playing. I swore I wasn't going to do shit until 1.03 and this weekend just made it worse. I don't know what other people are doing that I just am not doing but I have gear equal to or better than what a lot of folks are posting on diablofans.com saying they are farming 3/4.

Armor: 8,314 w/energy armor
Resits:1058 to everything with energy armor buff.
DPS from character tab: 29,806
DPS from popular spreadsheet: 29,937
Health:17,398
Health per second:1,512

I am using:

hydra - Venom
Blizzard - Snowbound
Frost Nova - Cold Snap
Diamond Skin - Crystal Shell
Mirror Image - Duplicates
Energy Armor - Prismatic Armor
Evocation
Blur
Illusionist

Diablo is hard, don't stand in the fire and all the other obligatory bullshit. Here are pictures of my gear. Any suggestions would be great.

https://plus.google.com/photos/107806407587049026677/albums/5755178016473190401?authkey=CLKgnMeKq-Du1QE



Heres the diffence between us :

Change prismatic to force armor. Instead of mirror image I would use teleport fracture, change frost nova to magic missile and put venom hydra as a 1-4 and magic missile as mouse. Drop about 600 resistance and get about 20k more health. Change blur to glass cannon.

Thats my spec to farm azmodan. I have 45k dps too. I would also get 20-25% movement speed if possible. I have like 20 I think, I got to act III without it but it makes life easier.

Your biggest problem is your not embracing force armor. You need to stack vitality and take advantage of the OP'ness that is force armor, by 40k health all the one shots turn into illusionist proc's so when your in a sticky spot diamond skin let a mob hit you and be ready to slam teleport-fracture. Cast a blizzard and a hydra and spam magic missiles till they close on you again. Rinse repeat. The Imps in act 2 suck dick, i can do them now but I couldnt when I was farming kuul I would corpse hump them to a platform and leave them there. Thats why I suggested black canyon -> road to alcarnus -> Kuul. Theres no imps or bullshit creatures like that its all fallen and shit that can be kited easily. Well maybe not easily but easier.

[subzero]

I'm beginning to think "farming" is being used in Diablo 3 differently than what "farming" means in WoW. In WoW when something is on "farm" it usually means the raid goes in there and one shots everything and collects easy loot. In Diablo 3 people seem to be using the word "farming" to mean that they can actually down the boss, doesn't matter how long it takes them, whether or not they skip elite packs or how many times they die in the process.

Only thing I can think of. If not then I'm in the same boat as you Buckwheet, I see people claiming to be farming Act 3/4 with worse gear than my Barbarian and I can hardly take two steps inside without getting my face smashed in. Just leveling my wizard in the meantime, figure I'll just work on achievements until the patch comes out. Frustrating beyond words.

Farming just means you're repeatedly killing something in order to reap the loot. You don't just farm bosses in Warcraft, either. Mats, rep, the various points and tokens, etc. That stuff is all farmed by either killing things and/or turning in loot gained from killing. Diablo is a much more simple game and farming simply means you obliterate everything to get loot, where in Warcraft it's more focused. How good you are at it, in any case, isn't really a qualifying factor. Being bad simply means that it will take you longer to accumulate the goods.

[g++]

I can do the spider bitch and Azmodan with a 5 stack in about a half hour. I consider that farming. It took me about 6 hours to get through bastion keeps basement. I consider that a fucking nightmare I had to go through to get to siegebreaker and start farming him. Part of this game is finding the path of least resistance and exploiting it. If you play a wizard and know theres an area that has no imps, lickers, or other bullshit mobs that rape wizards exploit it. Theres a reason all melee farm the frozen cave and all ranged farm the fortified bunker. Its because people slowly realize those are the two easiest places in ACT III to build stacks. It seems like some of you guys just randomly go to spots where you know there are rape packs and then get frustrated slamming into them over and over again. If there isnt a waypoint you need on the other side of a hard pack just walk around it.

[TheEschaton]

Yeah I don't know what I am doing wrong. But I am just so frustrated right now I think I am going to just stop playing. I swore I wasn't going to do shit until 1.03 and this weekend just made it worse. I don't know what other people are doing that I just am not doing but I have gear equal to or better than what a lot of folks are posting on diablofans.com saying they are farming 3/4.

Armor: 8,314 w/energy armor
Resits:1058 to everything with energy armor buff.
DPS from character tab: 29,806
DPS from popular spreadsheet: 29,937
Health:17,398
Health per second:1,512

I am using:

hydra - Venom
Blizzard - Snowbound
Frost Nova - Cold Snap
Diamond Skin - Crystal Shell
Mirror Image - Duplicates
Energy Armor - Prismatic Armor
Evocation
Blur
Illusionist

Diablo is hard, don't stand in the fire and all the other obligatory bullshit. Here are pictures of my gear. Any suggestions would be great.

https://plus.google.com/photos/107806407587049026677/albums/5755178016473190401?authkey=CLKgnMeKq-Du1QE

The only thing I could think of is to use Force Armor, fuck prismatic. Force prevents you from getting gibbed, and resists are less important (esp since you're over 1k with the buff, you'll be fine without the buff) since wizard is more about avoiding shit than mitigating it.

[g++]

Well the other thing is with 17k health force armor wont do anything. You need to double your hp's too. But yah.

Another tip : Ditch the shield and get a high dps two hander with no cast speed enhancement. Blizzard and hydra are based ONLY on weapon damage. So by getting a 1.2k+ two hander with no attack speed bonus you will significantly improve your damage while kiting. Wearing a shield is not going to save you but killing mobs faster might.

[TheEschaton]

Well yeah.

As for the rest of what Pjaay said, I also use teleport/fracture so much so that I just read your "mirror images" as "teleport/fracture" because I would never even think to put MI in a slot anywhere.

The frost nova/magic missile thing is optional, imo, I know wizards who just kite mobs in large blizzards around a hydra with no free spell, and frost nova can save your ass, definitely, if you have a teleporter or a vortex.

I still disagree with Pjaay about glass cannon, but I do have less health than him, so I don't face tank anything at all. I guess if you have 40k health and force armor on, you can do a bit of the glass cannon though. I've never really encountered a DPS problem as a wizard, though I guess pjaay's philosophy is more dps = less time = less problems.

But I'm good, and know how to kite. ;)

[g++]

I swap magic missile out for frost ray with cold blooded sometimes to spice things up. Magic missile/seeker is by far the EASIEST kiting tool to use though because it tracks off screen and cost no arcane power. So you can teleport completely off screen from the elites and continue dps'ing them. This is pretty much as safe as you can get in this game while still doing damage. If you feel like your a tap dancing god that can dodge mortars and vortex's etc you can swap to a ray or whatever. The other nice thing about magic missile is its basically free so you can spam blizzard once or twice and magic missile will actually allow you to regenerate your AP for more blizzards while you casting it.

Its possible to kite around without having an active dps spell but...its pretty dumb imo. You might as well not look at your spreadsheet for dps. If your not casting a filler spell your doing about half the damage I am, so your giving the elites around 100% more time to kill you.

[TheEschaton]

*I* don't just use blizzard/hydra. I have a guildie who does though. Where our specs differ is on blur vs. glass cannon. I like the little extra safety, you go for the dps. I think the safety is better. That's it.

[g++]

Thats fine, I am not saying my way is the best. Im just posting what works for me. I wouldn't dare question anyone from Marshmallows anyway, I have heard enough unwarranted hard mode boss fight explanations to learn my lesson.

[Buckwheet]

Well the other thing is with 17k health force armor wont do anything. You need to double your hp's too. But yah.

Another tip : Ditch the shield and get a high dps two hander with no cast speed enhancement. Blizzard and hydra are based ONLY on weapon damage. So by getting a 1.2k+ two hander with no attack speed bonus you will significantly improve your damage while kiting. Wearing a shield is not going to save you but killing mobs faster might.

If all goes well I hope to have a 1.1k one hander shortly. I changed to this build after seeing people posting videos of just taking shit out with blizzard/hydra. I have some other gear I can throw back on to get up to about 40k DPS and high health. I just didn't survive very long with it. I might switch out tomorrow and post more screen caps.

Thanks for the tips.

[g++]

Sure man, your gear (if you massively improve your health while maintaining 35k+ dps) is actually good enough to farm azmodan or siegebreaker. If you ever want to pop in and grab the waypoints off me just send me a tell. pjaay@1847 Ill show you the farming routes I use to minimize frustration. Although, I probably wont actually do the runs with you since I have never had a good experience giving the monsters 75% more health lol.

[TheEschaton]

Thats fine, I am not saying my way is the best. Im just posting what works for me. I wouldn't dare question anyone from Marshmallows anyway, I have heard enough unwarranted hard mode boss fight explanations to learn my lesson.

LOL I hate you.

[g++]

Also Buckwheat, if your feeling bored check this guy out sometime. http://www.twitch.tv/drizoid He is like a walking encyclopedia on how to wizard farm inferno.

[Gizmo]

I have so much gear at reasonable prices and it won't sell. I figure I just need to upgrade gear and I'll be fine but I only make 200-300k in gold per run for butcher. Just tired of doing it. I'm at 42k dps am tons of resistance and the reg mobs in act 2 are 1 shotting me. Whatever

With hc, eventually you're gonna die on nightmare, or maybe you get lucky and make it to hell where you'll die. What's the point? If you some how make it to inferno you'll defintely die

Plenty of people are in Inferno in HC. but yeah, the issue at hand is the lack of 1.03 to really progress past Act 1.

Those who ARE past Act 1, and some are in Act 3 now Inferno....Are those "Pro" people that exploited the hell out of things and powerleveled the quests before it all got nerfed.

Hardcore brings a deeper appreciation for the game, and it's more enjoyable for me knowing I have to play strategically and not just Leeroy rush on bitches and shrug when I die..

[Androidpk]

And boom, down goes my lvl 48 HC DH.

[Loyrl]

Where at PK? You had better gear than I do, minus the weapon I think. Although I think I had a few more thousand HP. Maybe I'll restart my monk again today, and hopefully not get d/c in a poison tree puddle at lvl 17.

[Buckwheet]

Sure man, your gear (if you massively improve your health while maintaining 35k+ dps) is actually good enough to farm azmodan or siegebreaker. If you ever want to pop in and grab the waypoints off me just send me a tell. pjaay@1847 Ill show you the farming routes I use to minimize frustration. Although, I probably wont actually do the runs with you since I have never had a good experience giving the monsters 75% more health lol.

I was thinking about paying 400k or 500k for a siegebreaker run. I heard there are groups of people offering it.

[Sean of the Thread]

I just made it to act II inferno and it felt like a work out.

[Marl]

erm i know of NO ONE in a4 inferno in **hc**....only a handful of people can do a3 yet...

[Deathravin]

And boom, down goes my lvl 48 HC DH.

Awww, what happened?


erm i know of NO ONE in a4 inferno in **hc**....only a handful of people can do a3 yet...

I can't even imagine the gear that would be required to go from Hell A4 to Inferno A1, let alone A2 and A3...

[Androidpk]

Rakanoth is what happened. Dude raped my ass with 2 hits. Had about 2.3k dps and a tad under 13k hp.

[g++]

I was thinking about paying 400k or 500k for a siegebreaker run. I heard there are groups of people offering it.

To unlock the quest all you have to do is kill siegebreaker with 0 stacks. We could do that in about 3 minutes. I did it for a few other people already so I would save your money but up to you. Unlocking Azmo and Cydae is a bit more tricky.

[Buckwheet]

To unlock the quest all you have to do is kill siegebreaker with 0 stacks. We could do that in about 3 minutes. I did it for a few other people already so I would save your money but up to you. Unlocking Azmo and Cydae is a bit more tricky.

Ahh okay. Well I will just hit you up to see what you feel like doing. The 400-500k runs comes with 5 stacks. There is a spot in act 3 I want to get to so I can start popping the 1k weapons more frequently.

Hadriel#1997 is my bnet id.

[Tgo01]

It seems like some of you guys just randomly go to spots where you know there are rape packs and then get frustrated slamming into them over and over again.

I can't speak for everyone but the whole playstyle of Inferno frustrates me. I've seen videos of others doing Inferno and unless they have kickass gear it's all about kiting, I don't mind kiting but that is all Inferno is for a lot of people just one big kite session. I even see Barbarians kiting unless they have a hundred million gold worth of gear.

It's pretty bad when Blizzard even admitted they didn't test out the current state of Inferno, I think that speaks volumes and explains why they are nerfing it.

[g++]

I'm not saying the game is actually balanced or good as it is, its definately not. If Buckwheat had said, "Hey I'm a barb stuck on act III" I would have no advice except to wait till 1.0.3 because thats pretty much where I am at with my barb. I don't have any illusions that I could do what I do as any class except wizard.

That said, if you adopt a mindset of finding areas with good packs and repeatedly farming them I think it helps mitigate the suck in all acts.

[TheEschaton]

Rakanoth is what happened. Dude raped my ass with 2 hits. Had about 2.3k dps and a tad under 13k hp.

Rak is easy with melee, you can charge right under his ass and his melee attacks come down behind you. As a ranged, well, lol, whatever. On my wizard I use teleport/fracture a lot to distract him.

[SHAFT]

The kiting aspect of inferno sucks. That's all you do is kite.

I am however loving the rmah. Sold 2 bows for 20 each and some smaller sales last night. Up to $51.

[Sean of the Thread]

Stats on them?

[SHAFT]

1 bow was a 820-ish dps, 200 vitality, life on kill, IAS 20% and then a crossbow around 775, 150 vit, life steal, life on hit

[TheEschaton]

So Kripparian of Method just downed Act IV Izual Inferno....hardcore. He ran barbarian/wizard and I stayed up til 1:30 in the morning to watch it. He had 27k people watching it. Somewhat crazy. He's planning on going on to Diablo tonight, but I have to go to bed, ugh.

[inso]

Watching Krip's stream/youtube videos off and on definitely helped me out gearing/running my barb. Was nice to finally see him do progression- usually they duo it at like 5am EST.

I had gotten Izual down on my WD before switching to barb, and basically raced through with some sticking points in late act3. After a certain gear threshold it was pretty cake up until D, then I needed to farm for another 2 or so upgrades- after which I one-shot him. Sold a few of the barb's pieces off since then due to the IAS nerf and got my DH's crit/damage set going for farming. Even with the leaked IAS nerfs, almost all the gear has sold for 2-3x what I paid for them. Looking forward to regearing my barb better than before though- definitely a blast to actually have a character who isn't running away from mobs the entire time.

[Androidpk]

Yeah, watching that too.

http://de.twitch.tv/nl_Kripp

[Androidpk]

They're about to do the Diablo fight.

[TheEschaton]

Attempting HC Inferno Diablo in less than 10 minutes.

http://twitch.tv/nl_kripp

[Androidpk]

Attempting HC Inferno Diablo in less than 10 minutes.

http://twitch.tv/nl_kripp

What happened to sleep??

[TheEschaton]

Fuck it, I don't have to be in court tomorrow, I can just stare at my computer at work and do paperwork.

[Androidpk]

Good shit right there.

[TheEschaton]

They made it look pretty damn easy. Next challenge, solo inferno HC.

[Androidpk]

I feel like a tool for dying on nightmare now :/

[Androidpk]

According to Blizzard's community manager Bashiok this wasn't the world's first HC inferno diablo kill.

[Fallen]

Pre-nerf, that is pretty damned impressive.

[g++]

So 1.0.3 is going live today apparently, anyone else dusting off their melee characters tonight?

[Warriorbird]

So 1.0.3 is going live today apparently, anyone else dusting off their melee characters tonight?

We'll see. I still don't think it's gonna be super friendly.

[g++]

They said their nerfing damage in ACT 2,3,4. It feels like I barely die against elites as it is on my barb so I am expecting a big difference. A 10% nerf in damage from elites in ACT III is like 8-10k damage per swing before mitigation. I might be overly optimistic.

[g++]

Even if its still unplayable in 3 will be nice to be able to cross your fingers for decent items off butcher I guess.

[inso]

Will have to see if the mob-nerfs outweigh the IAS nerfs. I know when I cleared inferno on my barb, I had 45% non-weapon IAS; which was a pretty big boost not only for my lowly damage but my ~1500 life on hit. Monks will be double-hit by that nerf since IAS helps their spirit regen as well.

[SpiffyJr]

Anyone know what double socket Inna's Glory sell for on the RMAH? Would like to get some of my money back if I can.

[g++]

Anyone know what double socket Inna's Glory sell for on the RMAH? Would like to get some of my money back if I can.

The pants?


Just knowing two sockets doesnt mean a ton. Can have a helm of command with 1 socket worth a buck or worth 250 dollars depending on the random rolls.

[inso]

Anyone know what double socket Inna's Glory sell for on the RMAH? Would like to get some of my money back if I can.

Well, luckily crit is relatively more valuable now and the attack speed on them will actually work. Unfortunately, the attack speed will be halved. So the market on them will probably be wonky for a while.

I was just thinking about grabbing a pair for my DH until I read the non-IAS DH nerfs and don't even know if he'll be viable anymore heh.

[Tgo01]

Oh man patch coming out today? I've been looking forward to this patch but I love my wizard now, not sure if I want to switch back to my Barbarian.

[inso]

So, thoughts after reading the notes:

1. DH double hit with IAS nerf and their main damage ability nerfed to the ground.
2. lol @ siegebreaker getting reflect damage, basically kills that run for ranged
3. They reduced damage in act 3/4 as well, so things outside of bosses will probably be a complete joke now.
4. I don't understand them adding enrage timers to all these bosses- just a few days ago they said they were thinking about removing enrage timers completely because it hurts different (survivability) playstyles.
5. The hardest boss in the game for my barb was Ghom (had to go either ranged barb or 7 second ignore pain bursts), and he just got buffed. And now that fight has an enrage timer. Good luck with that.
6. Izual probably needed the nerf, I felt the fight was shorter but harder than Diablo.

Edit: Oh wow, haha. They still haven't fixed old broken IAS items like your Inna's glory pants. Just new ones that drop. That will be a "future patch."

Honestly I had high hopes for this patch in general but pretty much everything has just been anti-ranged rather than pro-melee.

[g++]

Reflect damage doesnt really bother me for siegebreaker honestly the dude never hits me...like ever so i can sit the entire fight at 1 health if I have too, and 4 minutes is plenty of time to kill him.

Heres the actual bad news for ranged.

*Champions, Rares, and Uniques have had their pathing improved*

LOL

[inso]

Reflect damage doesnt really bother me for siegebreaker honestly the dude never hits me...like ever so i can sit the entire fight at 1 health if I have too, and 4 minutes is plenty of time to kill him.

What class?

[g++]

Wizard.

[inso]

Ah, yea I think wizard will be the new farm class of choice after the DH nerfs (reflect damage oneshots DH if you don't have great timing/patience for discipline regen).

The hydra nerf/bug fix makes general wizard farming a bit more annoying though.

[g++]

Damage from monsters in Acts II, III, and IV in Inferno difficulty has been reduced
Colossal Golgor base damage has been reduced
Herald of Pestilence tentacle attack damage has been reduced
Soul Ripper and Soul Lasher damage has been reduced and both monsters will now run away less often


Depends on what the numbers on these 4 are. If were talking about 10%+ nerfs then the game will be easier regardless of how hard ranged get nerfed in specific areas imo. Demon hunters I think got fucked though.

Wheres the hydra fix?

[g++]

Oh they fixed the triple life on kill bug...I really dont care I had stopped swapping my amulet on anyway and have no life on kill on my real gear. Just timing crystal shell with your damage is usually good enough. Only thing that gives me problems is extra health golgars with reflect and ill just die once or twice to my own damage.

[inso]

Yea, it was pretty abusive. I know when I watched Krippi farm on his wizard he had ~2k on his weapon and spammed it all day getting 6k+ health back a pop. That +force armor really trivialized everything.

[g++]

Yah, I think every wizard knew it was coming though. Reflect is fairly easy to mitigate for wizards though. You can just recast your hydra in a spot it will do no damage and wait for cooldowns.

[inso]

I don't see anything about Whimsy (other than MF gear doesn't affect opening stuff-which I was too lazy to swap to anyway). So at least my joke of a farming spot should be even better (with guaranteed rares now). I expect them to add a base creature with a ranged attack in that place at some point.

[g++]

So they buffed all the bosses at the same time that they made killing them completely unnecessary...interesting design strategy. I see no reason to kill bosses at all anymore really. My new farm run will probably be to clear the fortified bunker -> Rakkis Crossing -> tower of pain and possibly even the first 2 floors of the tower depending on how much soulrippers have been nerfed.

[inso]

I like act3 in theory but I get very frustrated by the unintuitive hit boxes of things like spears/herald of pestilence poison pool travel time. Whimsy is really mindless due to not having ranged attacks, and especially with the extra rares now it should be good. Unless clouds fall into the "destructable object" nerf and can't drop anything anymore.

But yea, only one rare off a boss means they drop the same as a champ pack. Huge waste of time. Not sure why they hate boss farming so much- people did Baal runs to level for years and Mephisto runs to MF.

With the damage nerf I'll be looking to regear my barb and maybe farm act3 with him. It took me ~50m worth of gear to clear the game on it and I ended up selling a few of the pieces (with attack speed) for 2-3x what I paid for them. So when I regear him he should be even better+the nerf should be nice and faceroll. I wonder if they fixed the charge bug on siegebreaker. You charge his belly and he doesn't hit you the entire fight as a barb.

[Buckwheet]

I am sort of annoyed only because I picked up a hammer that had the same amount of DPS my spear had because it had like 15% IAS. But it carried 300 vitality to try and get to 40k. So last night after spending a stupid amount of time searching on the AH and buying things I went from 29k dps to like 33k and 17k health to 43k health. I just lost a little resits. So now with the IAS nerf I am probably down to 29k dps again. Le sigh.

[g++]

Were all losing shit loads of dps, so your not alone in that boat, I wouldn't be suprised if I am down to 35ish.