Diablo III

[inso]

I did my DH's gear all this week, and specifically avoided IAS gear to prep for the nerf (all crit chance/damage/dex). He's slow as hell, but his 75k dps won't budge with the change. Unless you actually want to do anything with it since the best damage spell is now useless.

I've also been sniping DH weapons on the AH that were both underpriced + had no IAS mod which I feel will be more valuable after the patch when half the weapons will lose 100-200 base damage. Or maybe they'll be worthless with the influx of act1 people getting act3/4 loot or noone wanting to play DH again. Who knows.

[Atlanteax]

Someone apparently had plenty of time to write a full-blown assessment of the D3 storyline:

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/5836595552#1

[Gizmo]

Bout damn time.

[Marl]

why ditch ias stuff? if anything you want MORE items with ias.
how many lightning ball builds now?
goodn8 to chest/pot/whimsey mf runs
3 weeks before they drop 2% a1 ilvl 63 drops to 1%? Everyone will farm there
warden is gonna be a bitch now, bet they buffed his hp too
lol @ sb
the enrage timers were being "fixed" on champs not bosses
thank god for soul ripper nerf

eventually they will have it where they want. You wont find anything unless you are 5 stack farming champs

[inso]

why ditch ias stuff? if anything you want MORE items with ias.
how many lightning ball builds now?

Lightning ball = NT post nerf. Since it hits twice for half damage, where NT hits once for full. Might have a slightly bigger hit box, but I still think people are going to move to chakram or EA: frost.

I ditched IAS because of opportunity cost. Sure, with infinite resources I'd love gloves that were, post-nerf, 9% IAS 8% crit 40% crit damage 200 dex. But if I had a choice between 120 dex 7% IAS 3% crit with no damage and 150dex 8% crit 30% crit damage, I'll take the second. Which is about the comparable stats for prices I was looking at when gearing.

I'm sitting ~48% crit 225% crit damage with an xbow right now. 75k non-SS dps with gear extremely cheap compared to IAS gear.

[SpiffyJr]

Ugh, wish my Inna's pants were going to get a damn buff. By the way, looking at the bonuses on Inna's Glory the randoms ARE the sockets. (They have IAS, vit, move speed, something else + 2 sockets).

*EDIT* Just looked them up.

149 vitality, 5% IAS (used to be 11%), 1% crit, 6% move speed + 2 sockets.

[Tgo01]

My Barbarian can run right into a pack of mobs in Act 3 and actually kill everything! It's like I'm actually playing a Barbarian for a change.

Think I'll just go back to farming Act 1 for a bit now though, that's still a faceroll compared to Act 3 and I can still get some good loot.

[Gizmo]

I'm glad it's patched. Now I can farm effectively once I make it to Inferno on HC again....

[Androidpk]

I am sort of annoyed only because I picked up a hammer that had the same amount of DPS my spear had because it had like 15% IAS. But it carried 300 vitality to try and get to 40k. So last night after spending a stupid amount of time searching on the AH and buying things I went from 29k dps to like 33k and 17k health to 43k health. I just lost a little resits. So now with the IAS nerf I am probably down to 29k dps again. Le sigh.

This nerf has been known for awhile now, not sure why you are surprised.

[inso]

Well, clouds don't drop loot anymore either. Just gold. But I just got a 5 stack and cleared ponies twice. Not including the rares from getting stacks before going in, I got 10 (+a six property plan) and 12 rares respectively. So more rares overall by far.

Of course, all were absolutely terrible.

[SHAFT]

Yeah I've been holding off on buying expensive items for the IAS. Glad I did. Can't wait to give Act 2 a go later even thought they nerfed nether tentacles.

[Asrial]

"Magic Find will no longer be considered when looting objects in the environment such as chests, barrels, vases, pots, and corpses."

"Destructible objects no longer have a chance to drop items, and will only have a small chance to drop gold when destroyed."

.

Aren't vases/pots/barrels destructible objects?

Tables are destructible objects, so they had a chance to drop items? I never saw anything (not even gold) drop from things I destroyed (tables, chairs, stacks of books on the ground (not the bookcases), pillars, etc).

So I'm a bit confused here...

"Looting" objects.. is that referring to ONLY things that bring up the loot hand and force you over to the item to get something from it?

If the answer is yes...

While I'm sure there's plenty of people out there that farmed these items.. I for one am glad they no longer drop anything.. now I can stop wasting my time, and feeling the need to go out of my way to destroy everything.

I'm very casual. My friend and are I still 35 and 36.. and just beat the skeleton king on nightmare.

[Buckwheet]

This nerf has been known for awhile now, not sure why you are surprised.

I didn't think they would keep the 50% Nerf.

[Gizmo]

"Magic Find will no longer be considered when looting objects in the environment such as chests, barrels, vases, pots, and corpses."

"Destructible objects no longer have a chance to drop items, and will only have a small chance to drop gold when destroyed."

.

Aren't vases/pots/barrels destructible objects?

Tables are destructible objects, so they had a chance to drop items? I never saw anything (not even gold) drop from things I destroyed (tables, chairs, stacks of books on the ground (not the bookcases), pillars, etc).

So I'm a bit confused here...

"Looting" objects.. is that referring to ONLY things that bring up the loot hand and force you over to the item to get something from it?

If the answer is yes...

While I'm sure there's plenty of people out there that farmed these items.. I for one am glad they no longer drop anything.. now I can stop wasting my time, and feeling the need to go out of my way to destroy everything.

I'm very casual. My friend and are I still 35 and 36.. and just beat the skeleton king on nightmare.

Basically, now if you ever want to use Magic Find, simply use it when killing things.

Otherwise, using MF gear is redundant since it no longer works for items such as chests etc, and I'm not sure if they consider weapon/armor racks environ items or not. If that is the case then yeah, MF almost became useless unless you somehow use MF gear with normal main stat'd gear or swap out to MF gear before a mob dies.

It's good to know now though that bashing shit will yield less gold, now I don't have to be so OCD.

[Marl]

lost 15k dps on my wiz...oh well i can tank a2 now ;)

[Deathravin]

I still don't see why gems should be socketed in items on the AH to begin with.

They should be removed when you place an item on AH.

[Androidpk]

I still don't see why gems should be socketed in items on the AH to begin with.

They should be removed when you place an item on AH.

Just remove them at the craftsman before putting up on the AH.

[TheEschaton]

The thing I dislike about gems in socketed items is that it makes it hard to compare it to items with sockets, but are empty. Cause I R BAD AT TEH MATHS.

[inso]

I guess whimsy is pretty pointless now. No loot from the clouds, much higher repair bills for eating a death or two killing the elites (reflect damage/invulnerable fast minions every run). And while you get more rare items total, you actually get less "usable" ilvl gear. Even looting all the gold from creatures I've come out net negative on gold in the 6 runs I've done today (only dying max 4 times a run). And not a single sellable item. Only ilvl 63 rare item I've seen so far was off my first NV-stacking pack outside the nw gate.

Edit: oh and the purple-named mobs who have Act4 off-screen charges that one-shot now don't even drop a single blue when you kill them. That's my favorite "feature" so far.

[Deathravin]

Just remove them at the craftsman before putting up on the AH.

I just mean no items on the AH should have socketed gems. It makes it hard to determine which items are better. I KNOW what I can stick into a socket, I understand that. I don't need socketed gems to be included. If need-be I can buy gems from the AH too.

[Androidpk]

It bugs me more that Blizzard is willing to apply retrograde nerfs to items, especially considering the RMAH.

[TheEschaton]

It would bug me more if they didn't apply retrograde nerfs to items and you had significant early-release items which were just plain better with higher stat allocations. This isn't GS and Thalior's staff.

[Androidpk]

It would bug me more if they didn't apply retrograde nerfs to items and you had significant early-release items which were just plain better with higher stat allocations. This isn't GS and Thalior's staff.

The point though is they set up a cash market for items. To be able to swoop in and change an items stats doesn't seem very ethical to me.

[TheEschaton]

Except they announced these nerfs before the RMAH ever went live.

[Androidpk]

Except they announced these nerfs before the RMAH ever went live.

Increased attack speed yes, who's to say they won't do this again in the future? Knowing them and their past actions it will happen.

[Androidpk]

E, did you get a chance to play in the TSW beta last weekend? If so how was it.

[Atlanteax]

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/5889888966


Many exploits remain after 1.03

First, thank you for addressing so many of the important issues in this patch. After playing a couple of quests tonight, however, I've realized that the fight against exploiters will never truly be won.

DPS is still way out of control - in some cases I've even seen players kill certain monsters before they were killed themselves
People are still taking advantage of skills with unintended effects such as increased survival, damage output, and situation control
There are several chests that continue to drop gold when opened; there are also still other, more nefarious means of gold farming, such as killing enough monsters that you actually MAKE more gold than your repairs cost
I personally witnessed an incident where a player found a yellow item, and when they identified it, it had stats that could be exploited to increase their combat effectiveness - for the class they were playing at the time.
Some gear seen on vendors still had stats other than Vitality that could, in the hands of an insidious agent, theoretically be employed toward the end of making combat easier (less dying, and in extreme cases, more killing)
Bosses are still able to be killed by players - I don't have screenshots to prove this, but it is happening. Hopefully your data analysis can pick it up.
Some bosses and rares are failing to properly spam stun, wall, poison, set afire, teleport into pools of acid, knockback, slow, and freeze players simultaneously while they teleport-kite the player at supersonic speed, carpeting every square inch of the zone with toxic ooze and letting their invulnerable minions with boss powers one- and two-shot us.
I personally was able to set up a bizarre configuration in the auction house search panel where I could find items with specific stats and also be able to sort them in a way that was not effectively random.
A friend of mine told me they were playing with some person earlier who - and I'm just the messenger here - seemed like they might be having fun while playing the game. I don't know how true this is, but if it's even a possibility, god help us all.

I'm just trying to do my part to ensure this kind of disgusting and cowardly behavior gets stamped out as soon as possible. If there's anything I hate in a game, it's feeling like I'm getting more powerful and that my time and efforts are culminating in some kind of... /shudder... progression. I'm in this for the frustration and disappointment, 100%, and I stand behind you with every patch that brings us closer to those ideals.

Keep up the great work.

[Deathravin]

Ya that made me giggle... It took me far too many bullet points to realize it was a joke.

[Gizmo]

Damn PK, I never even saw that you lost your DH until now heh.

Anyways, I'm likely going to start back up my HC Barb tonight. I could play SC now that it's patched but I think I like Hardcore more still.

[TheEschaton]

E, did you get a chance to play in the TSW beta last weekend? If so how was it.

Nah, I didn't, I had to go to Riker's for work so I didn't even bother scrounging for a key. =/

It looks interesting in that the questing doesn't hold your hand and is very puzzle-y and the genre is very Lovecraftian. That being said the combat looks horrible so far. The commentaries I was watching were all by a gamer who thought the concept interesting but hates puzzle games, so he couldn't get into it, so it was hard to form an opinion.

[TheEschaton]

Increased attack speed yes, who's to say they won't do this again in the future? Knowing them and their past actions it will happen.

Also, I think you've been playing Gemstone too long. I don't know that Blizzard has ever done this except for blatant item exploits.

[Androidpk]

They nerfed haste on weapons in WoW!

Just got a couple of keys, I'll PM you one.

[TheEschaton]

Most excellent.

[Atlanteax]

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/5890100318

I'm still assessing the veracity of this poster's 'theory' but had some interesting postulations:


Nerf drops from vases, pots, and dead adventurers = stop gold find bots, the easy way, punish everyone, and kill a cool part of diablo.

Seems on target...


The announcement of 1.0.3 was like Blizzard shining some light of hope down the dark tunnel at us. It made us feel reassured – the game was a little rough around the edges, but it has a lot of potential. We’ll wait it out and keep playing, because 1.0.3 is going to make things way better.

1.0.3 rolls over like a !@#$ storm. What did 1.0.3 REALLY do? What is the TRUTH behind 1.0.3? I’ll tell you:

Instead of going directly after bots and banning botters via anti-cheat measures (Warden), they figured out what botters were doing and put an end to it by nerfing it to the ground. Presto. You can’t loot valuable items from jars, vases, dead adventurers anymore. They got rid of gold find bots, which is great, but at the same time those bots ruined it for everyone and now you can’t loot anything valuable from jars, vases, etc anymore.
They made it possible for higher level gear to drop from lower acts in inferno, BUT they ninja nerfed the drop rate of high end gear in later acts. Prior to 1.0.3 a small minority of players were able to farm acts 3 and 4 very effectively – too effectively. Players were farming the best high end items in the game at a rate that was causing the economy to tank. Nothing you could farm in act 1 or 2 was really worth anything, because blues from acts 3 and 4 were so common and significantly better. Blizzard ninja nerfed drop rates of high iLvl items in acts 3/4 order to make high-end loot more valuable.

The majority of players think 1.0.3 is a good thing, and they have no idea. They were stuck in act 1 looting a bunch of level 50-59 garbage and they weren’t getting anywhere. Now we can kill elites in act 1 and get fill our inventory with rares easy as pie!

I do not play D3 as much as I used to, so cannot really comment on this.


Thanks to lowered drop rates (not so obvious) and crazy repair bills (obvious), the price of gold has stabilized and is no longer dropping in value. The value of gold actually appears to be slightly increasing since 1.0.3 was released. Working exactly as intended. In order to alleviate the complaints about repair bills, blizzard will probably slightly reduce the rate at which durability is lost, or something along those lines. They’ll do something to make it “seem” better, but it’ll most likely remain rather expensive to repair. The repair bills, in combination with the IAS DPS nerf, and re-tooling of certain boss mechanics (reflect damage on siegebreaker, etc) make farming later acts with glass cannons no longer viable.

Seems plausible ... I thought gold was definitely far too easy to accumulate.


Best of luck to everyone playing! I cashed out on the RMAH and I’m done until they iron it out, add some PvP, and so on. It’s kind of funny when you think about it actually – it’s absolutely brilliant that Blizzard made quite a bit of money just because I quit playing! What kind of a game MAKES MONEY when you quit? That’s absolutely brilliant. I truly hope they can take all the money they’re milking out of the RMAH and turn it into a game that’s worth playing.

Yea, pretty much...

[Buckwheet]

30m gold can be had for ~$99. The price of gold is still going down.

[inso]

Pretty disheartening doing 45 minute act1 runs, getting 55-65 rares and not having a single one being worth putting on the AH. And yet, still better than doing act3 right now. Even with more rares dropping in act3, they're mostly lvl 50-55 now, and act3 definitely drops about 1/2 to 1/3 the ilvl 62+ gear as prepatch. Coupled with the repair costs- at least I make SOME gold from not dying/disenchanting in act1.

I kind of enjoyed the challenge of act3 before, but now any challenging affixes are just $$ signs in repair bills. So I run around act1 like a jackass barbarian with 40k dps 25k hp 24% movement speed and the charge rune that reduces the duration for mobs hit. So I just spam charge everything dead. I'm sure that will get old quick, but it's somewhat amusing for the moment.

[Tgo01]

I agree inso, I can't even bring myself to play this game at the moment. I was expecting big things from the patch but it didn't really fix anything in my opinion.

[inso]

Same, the patch preview was awesome (though I was skeptical about IAS nerfs- and they were even worse than I imagined). The reality was that they just redistributed the loot (took it away from people able to farm later acts while making it more expensive to do so) to give to people stuck in act1. I suppose to keep "good gear" rare for the RMAH.

Purple-named mobs not dropping any loot is really annoying. Just remove them from the game along with urns/vases. I just did the test where I went to royal crypts, tp'd, repaired and went back. I killed ONE vase, and tp'd back to town. Checked my repair bill- 238 gold. To kill a vase that has no chance of dropping anything anymore. Pretty silly.

[Buckwheet]

Same, the patch preview was awesome (though I was skeptical about IAS nerfs- and they were even worse than I imagined). The reality was that they just redistributed the loot (took it away from people able to farm later acts while making it more expensive to do so) to give to people stuck in act1. I suppose to keep "good gear" rare for the RMAH.

Purple-named mobs not dropping any loot is really annoying. Just remove them from the game along with urns/vases. I just did the test where I went to royal crypts, tp'd, repaired and went back. I killed ONE vase, and tp'd back to town. Checked my repair bill- 238 gold. To kill a vase that has no chance of dropping anything anymore. Pretty silly.

You should see what its like on a aoe class like mage. I blizzard down hallways and it just breaks shit and increases my repair bill for no reason. Pretty retarded.

[inso]

The best part is that bots weren't really doing the vase thing- legit players were. I know I spent a few days doing act4 vases/chests/weapon racks at the waypoint outside of Rakanoth. Got one of my only two set pieces from there, and made quite a bit of gold off high end blue weapons. Real bots having been doing the gold find gear + run nightmare with huge gold pickup radius and make 500k+ an hour. Which they've done nothing about, and so the next "bot" fix will probably be white mobs not dropping any gold.

I feel like they're not going to stop until inferno is one long corridor with champ packs every 50 feet and nothing else.

[subzero]

You should see what its like on a aoe class like mage. I blizzard down hallways and it just breaks shit and increases my repair bill for no reason. Pretty retarded.

I guess I should stop using firebomb with ghost rune, then. Damn thing goes through walls and has a huge radius.

[Androidpk]

I'm never in the general chat since I kept getting spammed by the same person over and over, regardless of how many times I blocked him. Now I keep getting friend requests from said gold spammer..

[Marine-dow]

after a friend gave me a level 62 maul this game has been a ball. Act 1 Hell, finally found time to play

[g++]

after a friend gave me a level 62 maul this game has been a ball. Act 1 Hell, finally found time to play

Yah my barb found a 62 dread crossbow with -12 level requ my demon hunter was using to level. That was hilarious. Getting a little bored with the game though. Act III is not really challenging anymore, still die to horrible things like fire chains phase beasts and what not but the champ fights dont feel epic anymore, I accidently die to swarms of white mobs about as often as the champions get me now. The loot variation changes makes it so its just as profitable to run Act I on my barb since my barb has literally a 0% chance of dying, he can pretty much stand on arcane sentries and desecration and his health doesnt move. He also gains about 25 mythic health potions an hour whereas my Wizard takes about 100 mythic potions and 2 full repairs to clear Act III. Not to mention that since my wizard lost 10k dps and my barb can kill act1 champions in under 60 seconds whereas it can take 3-4 minutes for my wizard to kite act III packs around. I don't really mind grinding away at the game and I'm kind of relieved that I never get "stressed" anymore by elite pack combinations but at the same time its kind of boring and predictable. I have basically no interest in playing my demon hunter, I started getting one shot in Act IV hell by white mobs, pretty much indicates to me that demon hunter is close to unplayable in inferno.

[AnticorRifling]

My barb is still lvl 10, he's kind of a big deal.

[Deathravin]

I think the "stressed" part goes away in normal. It's always in the back of your mind in Hardcore.

[Androidpk]

I think the "stressed" part goes away in normal. It's always in the back of your mind in Hardcore.

I'm on my 3rd hardcore character at the moment, level 42 monk almost at nightmare Belial.

[g++]

I think the "stressed" part goes away in normal. It's always in the back of your mind in Hardcore.

I think that, combined with the fact that I have played a lot of inferno and realize how cheapish deaths can be in inferno keep me away from hardcore. I think I could get to 60 on a barb without dying no problem...but then what? Goblin farming? Pass.

Id rather chill have a beer and lol when I die.

[inso]

Never had the client freeze/go unresponsive until 1.0.3. Ugh, like 2 hours in the same game farming act3, barely breaking even on gold from repairs and it freezes/crashes while fighting and elite pack.

I guess it's a positive I can do act3 on my barb without going negative on gold now (didn't skip any champs either), but stuff like that is really frustrating since you can't resume your game when you log back in. At least I wasn't stuck at retrieving hero list for an hour this time.

I wouldn't do hardcore either, not even because of server/client issues but whenever I see anyone streaming hardcore they're not actually playing the game. They're killing goblins or inching forward/parking champs with a wormhole wizard/resetting the map every time they get a champ pack past act2. The blue post about "well just play like hardcore players" regarding the repair cost changes made me laugh due to that.

[DarkSorc]

Put my DH on the shelf since they are having issues right now .... picked up my Monk and I am having a blast in Inferno with him!

[Sean of the Thread]

Put my DH on the shelf since they are having issues right now .... picked up my Monk and I am having a blast in Inferno with him!



I'm having a hell of a time in act 2 as in a struggle.

Act I I can farm all day long without a death unless I really get a fuck you in the ass elite pack or two packed together.

So with your monk what spec are you running? What type of gear/stats are you rolling with?

I used someones advice earlier in the thread I can't search through 131 pages to find our monk advice...

[Loyrl]

Lost my 46ish dual wield barb in A3 NM, was under the town and some guy ran up ahead and pulled a desicrator champ, and then another champ pack that had arcane about half way through the first pack. But I got my WD and DH to a1 hell. DH just needs to kill butcher, WD hasn't started any quests yet. When I killed Diablo NM on my WD @ 48 there was a wizard and barb with me. They died to the clones in the dark phase. Poison hydra and the wd's locus swarm, I think the barb stunned them and the other two clones raped them. I almost died also but spirit walk is OP. I may start another char soon if anyone wants to join for hardcore.

[Androidpk]

Currently playing a 45 monk in A3 nightmare.

[Androidpk]

Aha, redemption for my demon hunter that I lost to Rakash or whatever the hell his name is in Act 4 NM. Pretty sure monk is my favorite class by far now.

[Buckwheet]

I mothballed my mage and switch to a barb and I am having much more fun. Its not an endless kite fest now.

[Androidpk]

So far so good on my hardcore monk. Absolutely wrecked NM diablo. Mystic companion is pretty awesome, especially the water elemental version.

[AMUSED1]

Finally found a good 1H 917ish dps dagger in inferno, with a socket. Using it on the wizard now but can't wait to swap it over to the barb once I hit 60. Having much more fun not having to kite elite shit for 10 minutes just to find nothing and keep going down the hole with repair costs.

[Buckwheet]

Finally found a good 1H 917ish dps dagger in inferno, with a socket. Using it on the wizard now but can't wait to swap it over to the barb once I hit 60. Having much more fun not having to kite elite shit for 10 minutes just to find nothing and keep going down the hole with repair costs.

In act 2/3 I saw this as a problem on my mage. But with my barb I am getting about 300k per butcher run with adding in a few extra elite packs. That is after the repair costs.

[inso]

Well, I can clear act3 now (99% of packs+asmo) pretty easily and quickly (lol 2hours to clear every zone) on my barb. Shame that you get about 1/3 the ilvl 63 as pre-patch and it's not worth doing since gold comes out about even (and that's with only 3-4 deaths per run). I saw they acknowledged the act3/4 not dropping high enough loot, so maybe that'll get fixed.

If anyone's bored of act1's ease and is looking for something more like D2's quick pindle/meph runs I'd recommend treasure goblins in act2- since now they can drop ilvl 63s. Especially if you have an MF suit to switch to. Lets me do a couple checks/runs in under 10 minutes while doing other things. Sometimes it's nice just to not have to worry about NV stack duration, client crashes, and troll affix combinations.

[Deathravin]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdwQ5aXOStQ

Kripp with some good ideas for D3 endgame and the problems with the current state of D3. (Kripp & Krippi are the two who were the first to beat Inferno on Hardcore a couple weeks ago)

[Sean of the Thread]

In act 2/3 I saw this as a problem on my mage. But with my barb I am getting about 300k per butcher run with adding in a few extra elite packs. That is after the repair costs.

What do you include in your butcher run? How long does it take? I don't make nearly that much and it takes me as a monk quite a bit longer.

Skeleton king runs are my bread and butter for rares but I fail at butcher runs I guess. My dps has dropped quite a bit with my new build but I kill things faster/safer somehow EXCEPT GOBLINS. 75% of those fuckers warp on me whilst I'm beating on them in A2 inf. I don't get it.



Changed my Monk build up quite a bit and flipped some gear to spec for cyclone and of course LoH and it is stomping ass. Having much more more fun now.

[subzero]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdwQ5aXOStQ

Kripp with some good ideas for D3 endgame and the problems with the current state of D3. (Kripp & Krippi are the two who were the first to beat Inferno on Hardcore a couple weeks ago)

Is it just me or does that dude look like a knuckle-dragger?

[TheEschaton]

Is it just me or does that dude look like a knuckle-dragger?

That's the best WoW hunter in the world, so yeah, kinda a knuckle-dragger.

[Some Rogue]

That's the best WoW hunter in the world, so yeah, kinda a knuckle-dragger.

Doesn't he still live in his parents' basement too?

[TheEschaton]

Possibly. He is Canadian.

[g++]

That video is missing its true potential as a public service announcement for how to spot ADHD. Also Civ5 expac is out, its pretty good.

[TheEschaton]

I've hit a gaming lull. I got home, sat in front of my computer, and can't be asked to open any of the games i play up. Currently that's only Diablo and WoW (and finishing all those goddamn Riddler trophies in Arkham City), but yeah.

[Back]

I've hit a gaming lull. I got home, sat in front of my computer, and can't be asked to open any of the games i play up. Currently that's only Diablo and WoW (and finishing all those goddamn Riddler trophies in Arkham City), but yeah.

This game was released on May 15th. That you have been playing non-stop since then is quite notable. That you have hit the wall is also quite notable. Its now June 25th.

Thats longer than the Mass Effect 3 thread lasted. It went live March 6th and oddly died on April 6th.

http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?69856-Mass-Effect-3&highlight=mass+effect

[inso]

I've hit a gaming lull. I got home, sat in front of my computer, and can't be asked to open any of the games i play up. Currently that's only Diablo and WoW (and finishing all those goddamn Riddler trophies in Arkham City), but yeah.

Yea, feel the same way. Logged in, but no motivation to hit the resume game button. Killed maybe a dozen goblins off and on today, if that. Tomorrow is patch day, maybe something will come of it. Only 2 hours scheduled downtime, so probably just minor tweaks if anything (hopefully poor WD's at least get their bears back). None of the friends I've played with are playing anymore either.

[Reliel]

I played for a while but I decided against continuing. It's just too tedious.

And all my friends moved on to other games.

Just killing time till the 28th!

[Tgo01]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdwQ5aXOStQ

Kripp with some good ideas for D3 endgame and the problems with the current state of D3. (Kripp & Krippi are the two who were the first to beat Inferno on Hardcore a couple weeks ago)

That guy has a bigger ego than I thought he did if he really thinks someone from Blizzard is going to call him. Although everything he says is true and people have been complaining about those things on the official forums for weeks now. "This game has no end game." I think that's the best way to put it. People keep saying "But D2 was all about collecting items!" Not really...D2 was all about collecting items and creating new and different builds, there really are no different builds to use in D3, not really anyway. There are usually 3-5 skills per class you need to survive Inferno, not really much room to try new builds.

Also as Kripp here says end game in D2 was also about ladder games, leveling to 99, PvP and other things. I really think Blizzard made a mistake in making the level cap so easy to attain, part of the fun for me in D2 was always having the goal of someday reaching level 99 with my character.

I think this video is bad news for Blizzard. I know Kripp has just a small following compared to the number of people who play this game but the die hard fanboys of this game have been saying everything is fine since the launch of this game now. If you have Kripp, possibly the single most recognizable D3 player saying the game is crap right now it's just not good news.

[Androidpk]

They'll probably increase the cap in expansion packs, gotta leave some room for growth.

[Tgo01]

They'll probably increase the cap in expansion packs, gotta leave some room for growth.

I'm sure they will raise the level cap in an expansion but if it's still a breeze to reach level cap then it's not really solving the problem. The nice thing about D2 is it took a long time to reach level cap. I really don't know how long for sure but I would guess if you were doing nothing but grinding out experience in the most efficient manner it would probably take at least 200 hours. In D3 it takes maybe 20 hours and with all of the exploits in the game at the moment it takes less than that.

[Drakefang]

I'm sure they will raise the level cap in an expansion but if it's still a breeze to reach level cap then it's not really solving the problem. The nice thing about D2 is it took a long time to reach level cap. I really don't know how long for sure but I would guess if you were doing nothing but grinding out experience in the most efficient manner it would probably take at least 200 hours. In D3 it takes maybe 20 hours and with all of the exploits in the game at the moment it takes less than that.

Man, you guys hunt fast. I have almost 25 hours on my monk and she's about 36 or 37, act 1 Nightmare.

[Tgo01]

Man, you guys hunt fast. I have almost 25 hours on my monk and she's about 36 or 37, act 1 Nightmare.

Well like I said that would be if you're doing it in the most efficient way possible. If you're just playing the game normally it would take longer.

[inso]

Act 3/4 loot being fixed won't be in tomorrow's patch. Guess no point in me playing then.

They're reducing "wear and tear" of item durability by 50%, though. How nice of them- reducing the 4-6x cost penalty of not dying by 50%.

[TheEschaton]

The problem is that the gaming community has changed since D2. I guarantee you if they made a 200 hour level cap, they'd make less money. We're coming from GS, where it took me 7 years to reach cap, and I didn't think that an overly long amount of time. We're the exception.

[Tgo01]

The problem is that the gaming community has changed since D2. I guarantee you if they made a 200 hour level cap, they'd make less money. We're coming from GS, where it took me 7 years to reach cap, and I didn't think that an overly long amount of time. We're the exception.

That's fine if they want people to reach level cap quickly, but as Kripp says you gotta give people shit to do at level cap then. Once you beat D3 there is very little incentive to keep playing. Get better gear for what? To beat it faster?

[inso]

That's fine if they want people to reach level cap quickly, but as Kripp says you gotta give people shit to do at level cap then. Once you beat D3 there is very little incentive to keep playing. Get better gear for what? To beat it faster?

To farm faster so you can make those sweet sweet RMAH monies (for blizzard). Of course, that requires a playerbase with buyers. Oops.

[TheEschaton]

Again, Blizz makes $1 off every transaction. Even if you sell it for $250. Just don't be bad with your listings, breh.

[inso]

$1 + 15% if you cash it out. Paypal might get that end, no clue. But I thought paypal feels were much lower in general.

Time of transaction 23 Jun 2012 09:08 PM PDT
Sale price $99.99
Transaction fee $1.00
Transfer fee $14.85
Applicable taxes $0.00
Your proceeds $84.14

[TheEschaton]

So, you made $84 from playing a video game, and that's Blizzard's bad?

I don't know how the RMAH works, where're the proceeds stored to? Wherever you want, or what? Did you get that fee when you cashed out in Paypal? Does Blizz allow you to deposit directly to a bank account? IF so, what're those fees?

[Back]

Smart on Blizz. They must've done tests. Gamers pay. Pay lots.

[Androidpk]

That's fine if they want people to reach level cap quickly, but as Kripp says you gotta give people shit to do at level cap then. Once you beat D3 there is very little incentive to keep playing. Get better gear for what? To beat it faster?

That's why a lot of people played D2 and it's why most people play WoW. Nothing new here.

[Back]

The endgame is there is no endgame. Make it playable forever and people keep paying.

[Androidpk]

The endgame is there is no endgame. Make it playable forever and people keep paying.

The endgame is loot collection and wtf are you talking about? Paying what? RMAH fees? I haven't seen any numbers yet but I would assume that there are more people using the gold AH than the $$ one.

[Back]

The endgame is loot collection and wtf are you talking about? Paying what? RMAH fees? I haven't seen any numbers yet but I would assume that there are more people using the gold AH than the $$ one.

Thats a legit question. I am thinking in terms of the gamemaker/moneymaker rather than the player. The player is the sucker. The game maker is the money maker.

Having said all that I am a payer. I pay for my gaming if its good gaming.

[Androidpk]

Well at least with this game and for awhile WoW, you could make more money than you put in. I haven't sold anything yet in the rmah but I'm pretty sure I could make a small profit. By the time I had quit WoW I had pocketed a littler over a grand from selling shit.

[inso]

So, you made $84 from playing a video game, and that's Blizzard's bad?

I don't know how the RMAH works, where're the proceeds stored to? Wherever you want, or what? Did you get that fee when you cashed out in Paypal? Does Blizz allow you to deposit directly to a bank account? IF so, what're those fees?

Well, the other person paid $100 for it (god knows why). If ebay had a $1+15% fee, I'd think that'd be considered quite excessive. Most of my item sales are $8, which I get under 6 bucks back from. I sold an item for the minimum ($1.25) once the first day and got less than a quarter back.

You have two options when listing an item on the RMAH, "blizz balance" and straight to paypal.

Blizz balance:
-Use to buy other diablo3 items (Ie money stays in the system and they take $1 from the listing every time)
-Illusion of being able to buy other blizzard products- but can't buy WoW expansion, time or even another copy of Diablo3 so really only useful for buying other items
-Cannot cash it out directly (would have to have a friend list an item to paypal, buy it from them, then have them paypal gift you the money to game the system)

Paypal
-$1 fee + 15% but you actually get the money

At first I did the blizz balance, because I thought you could buy the WoW expansion with it. Ended up buying a couple items with it instead after switching to paypal when I found out it was pretty useless.

[Sean of the Thread]

The endgame is loot collection and wtf are you talking about? Paying what? RMAH fees? I haven't seen any numbers yet but I would assume that there are more people using the gold AH than the $$ one.


Actually I've noticed a much larger gap in the quality of gear as opposed to the RMAH. It's also very apparent that everyone farms the gold AH just to sell on the RMAH.

Would have been nice to have the option to opt out of RMAH.

[Androidpk]

Would have been nice to have the option to opt out of RMAH.

The RMAH is completely optional so I have no idea what you're talking about.

[Some Rogue]

Blizz balance:
-Use to buy other diablo3 items (Ie money stays in the system and they take $1 from the listing every time)
-Illusion of being able to buy other blizzard products- but can't buy WoW expansion, time or even another copy of Diablo3 so really only useful for buying other items
-Cannot cash it out directly (would have to have a friend list an item to paypal, buy it from them, then have them paypal gift you the money to game the system)



Battle.net Balance is a new feature that allows players to add funds to their Battle.net account. The balance can be used to buy Blizzard Entertainment products and services directly through Battle.net such as World of Warcraft character name changes, realm transfers services, and other paid services; as well as digital versions of select Blizzard Entertainment games including Diablo II, StarCraft II, and World of Warcraft digital upgrades.



Note: At this time, Battle.net Balance may not be used for Blizzard Store purchases such as digital pets, mounts, or apparel and collectibles.

[inso]

Battle.net Balance is a new feature that allows players to add funds to their Battle.net account. The balance can be used to buy Blizzard Entertainment products and services directly through Battle.net such as World of Warcraft character name changes, realm transfers services, and other paid services; as well as digital versions of select Blizzard Entertainment games including Diablo II, StarCraft II, and World of Warcraft digital upgrades.



Note: At this time, Battle.net Balance may not be used for Blizzard Store purchases such as digital pets, mounts, or apparel and collectibles.

The only World of Warcraft "digital upgrade" you can buy with it is the Battle Chest. Which is BC. No LK, no Cataclysm.

[Some Rogue]

Then I guess the FAQ (http://us.battle.net/support/en/article/battle-net-balance-frequently-asked-questions-faq) on their site is wrong...

World of Warcraft Digital Upgrades

WoW: Battle Chest to Wrath of the Lich King
WoW: Battle Chest to Cataclysm
Wrath of the Lich King to Cataclysm

[inso]

Then I guess the FAQ (http://us.battle.net/support/en/article/battle-net-balance-frequently-asked-questions-faq) on their site is wrong...

World of Warcraft Digital Upgrades

WoW: Battle Chest to Wrath of the Lich King
WoW: Battle Chest to Cataclysm
Wrath of the Lich King to Cataclysm

Unless there's a super secret website to do it, these are the only 8 options for digital purchases:

http://i.imgur.com/GcsUB.png

[Some Rogue]

Are you logging in with an account that shows a WoW account attached?

If I go here https://us.battle.net/account/management/

and select the non-upgraded account from there, it shows me the option to upgrade it.

[inso]

It's annoying and requires me to do the authenticator every time (even though I logged in five minutes ago), can't be assed to check it yet again. Maybe because I already have cata on my WoW account it only shows the option to start a new account. I forgot that you don't get all the old expansions with WoW boxes and have to go through the upgrade cycle.

[TheEschaton]

So the 15% is only if you take it to paypal?

Sounds like paypal is charging you tax + a fee. Most of us use paypal cheaply, IE, we mask transactions as non-taxable gifts, but Blizzard is probably trying to avoid the largest tax fraud scandal in history, and thus is listing the transactions as legitimate sales. All sales are subject to taxation.

[inso]

Sales tax is state (and I assume country)-specific. And there's a separate section of the invoice if you were charged tax- I was not, because I'm in PA. So it's probably worse if you live in NY or something.

15% just goes to blizz for letting you cash out, blizz balance is "just" the $1. The two might have some split worked out after, but blizz gets the first cut. It's to encourage people to keep any money put into the system from leaving (oh I lose 15% if I cash out, better keep it in there in case I want something later!).

There's also a huge amount of frustration trying to link your paypal- I'm the only one of my friends who has gotten it to work. You have to have an authenticator (most people already do). Then you have to use their SMS authorization rigamarole- which is where anyone using google voice for text messages (or without a cell phone in general) is boned. Then they text you confirmations to make sure you want to list the item you just wanted to list. And it flips back to going to blizz balance every single item. All designed to keep your money in the system.

[g++]

Even Elmo is having problems getting his money out of the AH.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGT_hrHeGEw

By the way, for the love of god dont play that at work.

[AnticorRifling]

How dare they keep a cut of the profit of you using their system to sell their lines of code to other people playing on their servers?!

[Back]

Cha-ching motherfucker. Don't like it, leave it.

[Liagala]

If you're so upset with Blizzard's evil and scheming ways to make a profit, don't use the RMAH. Problem solved, problem staying solved. You can avoid the dirty tricks spawned by unadulterated corporate greed, and still play the game perfectly well with farming your own gear and/or buying on the gold AH. If you're trying to educate us poor slobs on the sneaky and underhanded methods the company uses, don't bother. We know. We're well aware that a dollar on each transaction is going to pad their pockets quite nicely, and strongly encouraging people to leave the money in the system will keep that going. We're not being tricked - we know full well what's going on, and we're okay with it. It's their game, of course they want to make as much money as possible on it, for as long as possible. What business doesn't? With no subscription, they needed something. If you look at the huge market for gear in D2 it's clear that this was an excellent idea. They make money, we make money, everyone's happy.

[TheEschaton]

It's not sales tax, you're not buying anything. You're selling via Blizzard's system. What your making is income, and is subject to myriads of taxes like that. Now maybe you're upset Blizzard won't allow you to list the transactions as gifts as you do your normal (unsanctioned, against ToS) transactions in other games, but Blizzard isn't going to open itself up to liability in such a large system, which is why I made the joke about the largest tax scandal ever.

15% is equal to capital gains, and not a wholly unreasonable tax bracket to be taxed at. As usual, if you still fall in a lower tax bracket, you're entitled to a refund.

Do you have ANY proof that Blizzard is "keeping a cut" of the 15%, or is that just shit you're making up?

[inso]

Upset? I'm making money and laughing at the people spending it. Why does everyone think I'm mad when I'm just correcting the guy who said the 15% fee was tax (when there's clearly a separate line on the invoice for "applicable taxes")?

I think it's amusing that my 33 sales to date have generated them the equivalent of 3 months subscription to WoW. Hopefully, that translates into continued development.

If the 15% had anything to do with taxes from capital gains, why wouldn't it apply to money you earn that goes into the blizzard balance as well?

[Some Rogue]

For the first time since the nerfs, tried out Kulle and Belial with my monk and one shot both of them easily. Still probably not worth farming in act 2 but at least act 3 is open heh.

[TheEschaton]

I haven't seen the invoice.

And capital gains only applies when you cash out - all your gains are virtual until you actually liquidate them. Which is why it isn't applicable to funds in Blizz's artificial system they set up. It's why a system in a video game can allow you to sell things for real money and then buy items in the same universe without being subject to tax.

If you have a separate line for "applicable taxes" per jurisdiction, I'm assuming that's for sales tax, and it wasn't applicable to you as a resident of PA. That's not a catch-all for income tax.

Again, what's your proof that it's Blizzard taking a further cut than what they said?

[inso]

I copied one at the start of all the back and forth. And I'm not sure what your asking, the $1 + 15% transfer has always been in their FAQ. That's all it says, not who gets it or how it's split/where it goes as far as I know.

Still not seeing how it could be a capital gain. It's not a net transaction in my case (purchase item, sell item, capital gain/loss is the difference). It's a "find item out of nothing." "Sell item." Reselling items, sure. It all seems like a mess to me, taxwise.

[Liagala]

If you leave the money in your battle.net balance, it isn't "real money" as far as the government is concerned. If you move it into your paypal, it suddenly becomes very real indeed, and income. TheE is saying that he believes the 15% "fee" for sending the money to paypal is not a fee, but is instead a proper withholding of income tax, just as your job withholds income tax from your paycheck. He believes Blizzard is doing this to avoid allegations that they're helping hundreds of thousands of people avoid paying tax on a portion of their income.

[Tgo01]

Pretty sure Blizzard makes it clear it's your responsibility to include any income from the RMAH on your taxes. Otherwise how would that even work? How can Blizzard/Paypal withhold taxes for people living in Canada or Mexico?

[inso]

If you leave the money in your battle.net balance, it isn't "real money" as far as the government is concerned. If you move it into your paypal, it suddenly becomes very real indeed, and income. TheE is saying that he believes the 15% "fee" for sending the money to paypal is not a fee, but is instead a proper withholding of income tax, just as your job withholds income tax from your paycheck. He believes Blizzard is doing this to avoid allegations that they're helping hundreds of thousands of people avoid paying tax on a portion of their income.

Well, blizzard calls it their fee. No mention of it being a tax. Here's their direct quote about it from the FAQ:


For players who opt to have the proceeds of their auction house sales go to their third-party payment service account (such as PayPal) instead of to their Battle.net Balance, or for those who have exceeded their maximum permitted Battle.net Balance and are required to use a third-party payment service, Blizzard will collect a separate transfer fee.

Just like $25 fee or whatnot to transfer a character in WoW, it's just what they collect. Any kind of tax on your income, like these sales, is going to come out of your end on your federal/state taxes at the end of the year. Again, think of it like ebay. There are no taxes for selling items outside of local/state sales tax. Just ebay fees and paypal fees (in this case, the $1+ 15% blizz charges).

[g++]

Blizzard should nerf taxes. In all seriousness, I think Blizzard has an upper bound on bnet balance at 10k which by a shocking coincidence is also the amount where you need to start reporting the account the fed. So I think blizzard has taken steps to make sure they don't do any reporting.

[Liagala]

If this 15% actually is tax withholding, the Canada/Mexico people probably fall under some law about earning the money in the US (since Blizzard is in California), thus owing US taxes on it. I'm not an accountant or a lawyer, so I neither know nor care how that works.

Personally, I don't think Blizzard would want to deal with 1099-ing a million people. I think the fee is combination Paypal fees and Blizzard processing stuff. It may even be some pure profit for them, to offset the lack of future profit they'd have if people left the money in the system. If that's the case, it will eventually come out in earnings reports and such, and everyone can get all up in arms then.

[inso]

Blizzard should nerf taxes. In all seriousness, I think Blizzard has an upper bound on bnet balance at 10k which by a shocking coincidence is also the amount where you need to start reporting the account the fed. So I think blizzard has taken steps to make sure they don't do any reporting.

No, the max bnet balance is $250. Which is also why that is the max item value on the RMAH (and why the best items sell on ebay instead of the RMAH). For example, my balance is currently $1.77 and it won't let me list an item for 250 because that would go over. It can go over temporarily, if say you list 10 items for $250 with a $0 starting balance and they all sale. There are lots of regulations on banking transactions if they do more than $250. You can't add money/sell anything until you're under that $250 limit.

[g++]

Its definately not tax withholdings. If it was the sheer amount of paper work involved would make the entire venture unprofitable. Its just a blatant cash grab.

[g++]

Huh, Basiok implied it would be higher, oh well.

[TheEschaton]

All income on business in the U.S. is taxable under U.S. tax codes. Just like how you have to pay taxes on international business even if it's wholly outside the U.S., but you're a citizen/resident of the U.S.

If that's what they say in their FAQ, 15% does sound a bit high for processing, but I don't know what kind of fees they're dealing with on the back end with PayPal etc. I feel like I've had bank transfers which will charge somewhere in the 5-8% range, though that's totally anecdotal and hazy as I don't have any such fees any more.

[TheEschaton]

Thread: Diablo III
You're. Not Your. I see grammar is not important in the field of law.

Damn it, I missed one "you're" in a post full of them. Goddamn you.

[Tgo01]

All income on business in the U.S. is taxable under U.S. tax codes. Just like how you have to pay taxes on international business even if it's wholly outside the U.S., but you're a citizen/resident of the U.S.

Is that how it would work though? You're a Mexican citizen living in Mexico and you sell something on Blizzard's servers it's considered business in the US?

[TheEschaton]

Well, virtual economies are still legally grey. Lots of legislation pending, talked about, etc. It's not quite as easy as real property.

I think Blizzard probably retains all rights to the pixels as their property though, and gives you the right to sell it, but not own it. That's generally what companies do, everything in the game is their own property. And since Blizzard is a US based company, I can see the IRS readily saying, hey, you should pay tax on that.

But then again, I'm not a tax lawyer. We need Keller in here.

[inso]

They seem to get on pretty well with paypal- I used that as my primary payment type for WoW when I played. One of the few games that offered it at the time. I'm sure they're both making out well from this, heh.

They can charge whatever they want really, since they have the "safety" monopoly. I assume they just picked 15% because it was something people would put up with rather than risk paypal chargebacks on the black market. Some people would still buy/sell if it was a 50% charge though I'm sure.

Having the game in different regions really makes it interesting- for example the EU bnet balance cap is 250 euro. Which is worth more than $250 (for now). Which means people can sell higher end items on the EU RMAH than the NA one.

[Sean of the Thread]

The RMAH is completely optional so I have no idea what you're talking about.


As in completely different set of servers. Think pve vs pvp server I guess would be a close analogy.

The RMAH has fucked up the gold AH and gold economy. The gold AH is being rape farmed and turned around to sell on the RMAH like a motherfucker. Perhaps even an option when you open your account to make it gold or RMAH where gold account items can only be traded on the gold market and vs versa.

I didn't drop $60 for a game that is turning into a freemium.

[Tgo01]

Yeah I think it was a mistake to open the RMAH without allowing people to sell gold on it. At the moment it makes sense for people to spend their gold on items on the gold auction house in order to indirectly sell their gold on the RMAH.

[Buckwheet]

For the most part however, the prices on the gold AH are pretty inflated. I just buy my items on jsp because its much much cheaper.

[inso]

Gold prices are inflated (and buying gold for $ is so cheap) because bots work in the opposite way of D2.

In D2, bots ran Pindle/Meph/Baal and got items. Gold was capped on each player, large amounts lost on death and useless outside of gambling/crafting. These botted items made it to market, and good items were cheap and plentiful. The difference between most players at the end were ones with low roll uniques and "perfect" roll uniques.

In D3, the item drop rates are much lower because of the AH. Gold is more valuable technically since you can instantly use it to buy things. It's also much easier to bot gold in D3 (Sarkoth or NM core of arreat runs with GF gear) compared to the item grind (killing champ packs). So you have fewer items due to the drop rates, farmed by real players instead of bots while tons and tons of gold comes into the economy from bots. Each bot account can farm 500k an hour, which comes to ~10-12m a day. Per account. Couple dozen accounts per botter, and you can see why prices have skyrocketed. Especially with the RMAH only trading items and not gold- the botters can either sell on the black market risking chargeback or just buy items on the GAH to sell on the RMAH. This is why you see better and better items coming out on the RMAH if you've been watching.

[Buckwheet]

Right. I was mostly pointing out that real players could either farm gold or purchase gold and then go to a private trading forum like jsp and buy items for cheap. List these cheaper items on the RMAH. This does two things. The first is that it starts stripping out items from the cheaper private forums causing inflation there, but it is not nearly as bad as the AH. The AH gives a false sense of inflation because too many people are putting items up for 50m that causes others to list their stuff either higher or just under this ridiculous inflation. The occasional new player will buy them not knowing they are paying 2-5x the price.

The second is that through the forums you can find out who your sellers are. If they are big time item farmers you can setup contracts where they give you say an entire backpack of unid level 63. They get a flat rate per item and you take the chance of getting really good or bad shit. But it means that you can make really good deals to sell on the RMAH and nobody ever knows who you are.

[inso]

Yea. The gold AH is just going to get worse and worse- they keep patching ways normal players make gold and letting the bots go. I think the blizz balance will be the major trading currency in less than a month. I'm not so sure it's a false sense of inflation. I've had multiple items I've found sell for 30m. I've had an item I bought for 7m on the forums (with 5 people in the thread saying it was overpriced) sell for 45m, less than a week later. I've bought items for 50/30. And I've bought loads in the 10-20 range.

I haven't really noticed the prices being that much cheaper on JSP. Great pair of barb gloves had a bid that instantly shot up over 65m yesterday before I stopped paying attention to the thread. I only recently registered, but I was familiar enough with it from D2. I've bid in 5 threads in the last two days with the high bidder and the sellers have all seemed to vanish. One I saw put the item up on the GAH, so I probably won't bother using it much. Most of my best deals came from the official trading forums, with people who don't know any better/are in a hurry to sell/are out of AH slots.

[Buckwheet]

The tactic of JSP is to PM. Encourage the seller to post a BIN. Be online when the seller is online. Unlike here were people don't accept hidden buyouts on there they do it all the time and I have gotten good deals doing it.

[inso]

Ah, maybe I'll give JSP another shot when I'm less broke. Recent join date and the ease of scamming in d3 might look shady with too many PMs, but oh well.

Hit 60 on my wiz last night after going 44-60 in about 2 hours (level 44 730 dps crossbow w/200 int + act3 + archon = god mode). Was the most fun I've had leveling, cleared act1 inf with him today the boring way then switched to melee wiz to finish up the rest of act2. Wow, that spec is completely broken (and fun). Don't have near the gear to use it in act3 yet, but at least it gives me something to work on.

[DarkSorc]

I got pretty tired of my DH so I started playing my Monk... and oh boy are they broken. Everyone goes the LoH route so that stuff is nasty expensive so I went the regenerate health route and the game is simple. Use Mantra of Healing for the 20% addition to resists, Deadly Reach with Keen eye for the 50% buff to armor and on top of that I regen 2110 health per second. DPS isnt too hot only 15k but it is enough to get by so far, did act 1-3 Inferno yesterday and today looking foward to 4 tonight.

[Sean of the Thread]

I got pretty tired of my DH so I started playing my Monk... and oh boy are they broken. Everyone goes the LoH route so that stuff is nasty expensive so I went the regenerate health route and the game is simple. Use Mantra of Healing for the 20% addition to resists, Deadly Reach with Keen eye for the 50% buff to armor and on top of that I regen 2110 health per second. DPS isnt too hot only 15k but it is enough to get by so far, did act 1-3 Inferno yesterday and today looking foward to 4 tonight.


what's your battletag?

[Androidpk]

I've been doing the regen route as well, using the templar gives that a nice boost.

[Sean of the Thread]

Well then what's your battletag? I'd like to look over your gear.

[Androidpk]

Soon as i get my computer hooked up I'll let you know.

[DarkSorc]

Cykko#1787

Sorry only check these boards once or so a day.

Switched it up a bit for ease of farming purposes. Went to FoT with thunderclap also using Sweeping Wind with Blade Storm and then finally Mystic Ally with the Air guy = tons of AOE and fast farming, it doesn't have as much survivabilty, actually have to kite some elites can't facetank them all but its def a more efficient farming build. With some changes in gear I brought my regen down to about 1k and my LoH up to 600 with 1.7 attacks per sec. Both armor and resists have my sitting at 68% redux, still maintaining 31k HPs though. Also I spam Mantra of Evasion to avoid hard hits and Serenity for 4 seconds of immunity. Also I keep up the DPS buff from Breath of Heaven at all times. Also dodge is at 50% and Block is 26%.

One thing I forgot, when going into Act 3 you may want to use Mantra of Healing for the extra resist, I find more things in Act 3 use resistable damage as opposed to straight hits.

[Some Rogue]

Been having really good luck today with drops. 3 1000+ dps weapons, one at 970ish and a 1h with 450dps, 122 str and 14 level reduction to use.

And all in Act 1.

[inso]

Switched to Warrior's Rest farming since the hotfix (do quest up to point so you get a checkpoint, kill elite in 200+ mf gear, tp, reset in under 40 seconds each run). Three legendaries since last night, which is as many as I've found in the last 3 weeks combined heh. All crap, but whatever. Decent amount of 63's too, 240 MF seems to drop a 1-3 rares from the pack almost every time. My friend doing it since I mentioned it last night has gotten two legendaries (crap) and the best int chest I've ever seen (130 int 190 vit 80 all resist 520 life regen).

Act1 really is the bee's knees right now due to how easy/cheap it is to farm with MF gear.

[Some Rogue]

I've been doing Festering woods(the 2 caves with one pack each and usually 1-2 outside), then portal to Cemetary, check outside then hit all three crypts, portal to Leoric's manor, run back through there and check the northern highlands for the Watchtower(which is really good when it spawns) usually picking up at least 3 packs along the way, then portal to halls of agony level 2, do warden, do butcher.

[Some Rogue]

And just had a legendary shield drop. Got all excited until I saw it was an Ivory Tower. At least this one has 25% chance to block heh.

[Sean of the Thread]

Switched to Warrior's Rest farming since the hotfix (do quest up to point so you get a checkpoint, kill elite in 200+ mf gear, tp, reset in under 40 seconds each run). Three legendaries since last night, which is as many as I've found in the last 3 weeks combined heh. All crap, but whatever. Decent amount of 63's too, 240 MF seems to drop a 1-3 rares from the pack almost every time. My friend doing it since I mentioned it last night has gotten two legendaries (crap) and the best int chest I've ever seen (130 int 190 vit 80 all resist 520 life regen).

Act1 really is the bee's knees right now due to how easy/cheap it is to farm with MF gear.

What are the details of that run?

[TheEschaton]

The way checkpoints work is that if you log out before you teleport to town or get to a new checkpoint, you log back in at the old checkpoint. Warrior's Rest has a checkpoint right inside it, and it's a long hallway about 100 feet long with a guaranteed elite. You kill it, log out, come back in at the checkpoint right inside instead of the beginning of the quest, where you have to find Warrior's Rest to begin with.

[inso]

Way I do it:

Quest (The Broken Blade, Talk to Alaric)
->Run to quest npc, do dialogue
->run up through festering to Warrior's Rest (usually left side of zone)
->Kill pack (usually a shrine or healing well)
->tp, leave
->resume, repeat

You can do it with any quest after, too. So you don't have to do the quest npc stuff. But if you it that way, walking around town will get you a new check point so if you want to sell you'll have to re-start the quest and run to WR again. So I like this version.

I've done it with MF gear on my barb with berserk/quake but it's pretty dicy with low hp/no resists. Wizard makes it easy mode with archon, mowing down stuff. Reminds me of a pindle run in D2.

[inso]

Was curious about the efficiency, so I tracked it a bit last night- used the elite counter in profile. Didn't track gold too well since I had an auction sale, will be worth looking at next time.

~7 hour casual run (watching tv/eating/whatever)
-274 elites killed (average to one per 1.5 minutes)
-500 inferno essences salvaged
-18 ilvl 63 items (7 armor, 11 weapons)
-1 ilvl 62 offhand (wiz source)
-3 ilvl 60+ jewelery
-1 set item (IK boots, armor roll)

Pretty good haul. Goes quick, very casual. Tons of rares due to MF gear rather than NV. I feel the rapid pace + MF gear outweighs the lag between hunting them down when doing regular act clears. Sold the IK boots for 15m overnight and a pair of dex/fire resist boots for 1.5. Only salvaged 7 of the "potential" items off the bat, so more stuff to list.

Curious whether this will get nerfed (people have been doing it since the start) since it kind of fits their vision of killing elites.

[Back]

Was curious about the efficiency, so I tracked it a bit last night- used the elite counter in profile. Didn't track gold too well since I had an auction sale, will be worth looking at next time.

~7 hour casual run (watching tv/eating/whatever)
-274 elites killed (average to one per 1.5 minutes)
-500 inferno essences salvaged
-18 ilvl 63 items (7 armor, 11 weapons)
-1 ilvl 62 offhand (wiz source)
-3 ilvl 60+ jewelery
-1 set item (IK boots, armor roll)

Pretty good haul. Goes quick, very casual. Tons of rares due to MF gear rather than NV. I feel the rapid pace + MF gear outweighs the lag between hunting them down when doing regular act clears. Sold the IK boots for 15m overnight and a pair of dex/fire resist boots for 1.5. Only salvaged 7 of the "potential" items off the bat, so more stuff to list.

Curious whether this will get nerfed (people have been doing it since the start) since it kind of fits their vision of killing elites.

Dude. If you call that 7 hour run casual I'd hate to think what a hard core (I'm assuming day, or week) is like.

[Sean of the Thread]

What's your MF at and what's your MF gear look like?

[inso]

Casual compared to having to actually pay attention to stuff (ie act3 farming). And since the runs take 40 seconds each, I spent less than half the session actually playing.

[inso]

MF gear is 251% with a templar. Mostly went with just 80+ int and a little vit with MF% on all slots and use my normal weapon. Most of the slots are 14-16% mf so I could keep my DPS up. My weapon has 750 life on hit which is nice for damage reflect mobs.

Unbuffed:
-21k hp, 166 resists, 2.6k armor, 22k damage
Self buffed (spec just for this- force weapon, familiar, prism armor)
-21k hp, 240 resists, 4.5k armor, 27k damage

Can face tank the mobs as they're attacking me. Just have to move away from molton explosions, heh. I don't think this method is worth doing with under 150% mf. Wouldn't get rares enough to justify doing it over the guaranteed with 5 stacks. And if you can roll act1 in full mf gear with 5 stacks that's probably the best of all (I probably can, but I'm lazy).

[Sean of the Thread]

What does the Templar add to the mix???

[inso]

You get 20% of your follower's MF. And he's the only one that can use a shield so you can get more out of him.

[Atlanteax]

Heh, someone's player has been playing D3 too much...

http://www.thenoobcomic.com/headquarters/comics/00422.jpg

[Sean of the Thread]

Anyone have a toon around late 30's that's wants to group up. Just started nightmare on the WD.


Pooho#1896

[TheEschaton]

I have a barb in late 30s I think, but I'm in act II somewhere. eschaton#1982

[Drakefang]

I've got a level 37 monk an hour into Act II. I'm finding I need to look for some better gear, already. Finding nice items for my level but nothing I'd consider upper tier. Galenok #1501

[Jarvan]

-chuckles-

I wonder if anyone would trade gold in D3 for silver in GS.

I don't get as much time to play D3 and could use a nice gold boost.

[Androidpk]

Sweeping wind + barrels = durability loss...

[Androidpk]

Le sigh, 55 hc monk dead. I had been cruising right along since creating him and absolutely wrecking everything until I got hit by some major lag and some arcane sentries fucked me up.

[Drew]

Le sigh, 55 hc monk dead. I had been cruising right along since creating him and absolutely wrecking everything until I got hit by some major lag and some arcane sentries fucked me up.

Basically everyone I was playing with HC with lost all their characters. I think they've all moved on to League of Legends now. I never lost an HC character but I appear to be in the real minority there. OTOH I was super cautious and ground it out against super easy enemies which was pretty boring in its own right.

[Androidpk]

I tend to play the same way as I do with soft care, kill everything I see, except for maybe a few more defensive/regen skills. I had wanted to at least get one 60 in hc but I'm probably going to uninstall for awhile.

[Drew]

Yeah I got pretty bored.

[Loyrl]

Once this DH dies I think I'll move on. Currently lvl 59 @ Hell A4. Was able to buy a 950 xbow with reduced level req for 100k, and I bought some decent Vit+Dex+All Res gear, avg about 100k a piece x4 pieces.

I may donate 10$ to Path of Exile for beta access, and try Smite, a third person MOBA.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51iZHmlG4LI&feature=player_embedded

[inso]

I never really had fun with D3. It wasn't terrible for the most part, and had glimmers of promise. I kept farming and farming, waiting for it to turn into easy face-smashing time like diablo2. But like that line from Eurotrip, the girls never came.

I used some of my RMAH proceeds to donate to Path of Exile, and now I have the opposite problem. I really want to keep playing that but since there will be a wipe before August release I don't want to become too vested and burn out. Leveling is just so much more fun when you know that +skill button is going to pop up and you can make progress towards your character's goals. Instead of some crappy runes you'll never use popping up. Went from rushing through zones/quests in D3 to actually exploring/enjoying the environment (and not having to spam spacebar every thirty seconds). Getting excited about rares dropping rather than ignoring them because there's a 99% chance you can get better for 3k on the AH is nice, too.

There was a big post a while back analyzing storytelling in D3 and how, in separation from the previous two iterations, they went with a "tell it, not show it" approach. PoE has gotten me back to that much more D2-ish feel. Graphics aren't anywhere close to d3, more like a 2007 game. But it's good enough.

[Xzean]

Anyone have act 3 Inferno and could let me back in? Stupid bug wiped my progress and I don't really want to try 17 times to kill Belial again.

[Deathravin]

Found on reddit... dat required level

http://i.imgur.com/xWlQa.jpg

[TheEschaton]

Is it weird that I can only play this game now if the sound is completely turned off and I have some brain-numbing trance music on?

[Drakefang]

I still haven't even tried the multiplayer aspect. I'm just on Nightmare Act II. I'm not the ultimate gamer but I am struggling some. The blue groups tend to hose my monk pretty hard, especially if they have grenades going off everywhere. How important are resistances? How would you rate them in order of importance? It appears that keeping your weapons upgraded at all times is critical to being able to move through the game with moderate ease. I am finding a lot of strong weapons for sale but not finding many to upgrade in game, mostly armor. Not sure if they keep tweaking drops or not, still only found one legendary and it was a very low level one.

Galenok #1501

[Androidpk]

In nightmare resistances aren't really important at all. What skills are you using?

[Drakefang]

Crippling Wave (rising tide rune)
Wave of Light (empowered wave rune)
Breath of Heaven (blazing wrath rune)
Sweeping Wind (firestorm rune)
Mystic Ally (air)
Mantra of Healing (circular breathing rune)
Sixth Sense
Seize the Initiative
Guardian's Path

[Some Rogue]

This is what I use on my monk.

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/monk#aiXYgk!XUZ!acbcaa (http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/monk#aiXYgk%21XUZ%21acbcaa)

I use the Scoundrel for the crit chance bonus but the enchantress is decent too.

You can use Mantra of Evasion w/ Hard Target if you need the defense. Aim for Crit, Crit damage, Life on Hit and Dex.

With around 20% crit chance, you will be proccing the cyclones like mad which really helps your damage output.

[inso]

Probably doesn't have a level 56 rune in nightmare act2.

Once you get to level 42-46 you can do a search on the ah- change your character to "monk" and look for a onehander with -16 to -18 level requirement. Can usually snag a 500+ dps one real cheap. You'll breeze through the last bit.

Until then, always get a weapon with a socket and get at least a flawless square ruby (sells for a few hundred gold)- it'll noticeably up your damage. Just go for dex/vit on every slot otherwise- set max buyout to 2-5k per slot and the gear you find should be plenty good to faceroll.

Edit: Seconding Fists of Thunder with the tclap rune though- it's a minor teleport and servers are crap so you'll rubberband all the time, but mobility is key for both staying alive and you just move through the content much faster with it. And definitely grab serenity, it's invaluable for breaking frozen/jailer and avoiding death.

[Some Rogue]

Probably see a bigger increase in damage with an emerald over a ruby imo. The weapon dps won't be as high, but your damage will be better.

[Androidpk]

Crippling Wave (rising tide rune)
Wave of Light (empowered wave rune)
Breath of Heaven (blazing wrath rune)
Sweeping Wind (firestorm rune)
Mystic Ally (air)
Mantra of Healing (circular breathing rune)
Sixth Sense
Seize the Initiative
Guardian's Path


Crippling wave - Mangle
Tempest Rush - Tailwind
Sweeping Wind - Bladestorm
Serenity - Peaceful Repose
Mystic Ally - Water
Mantra of Healing - Sustenance

Exalted soul
Chance of resonance
Seize the initiative


I breezed through nightmare using this setup most of the time and didn't have a single problem. The water ally I found to be the best choice, especially on bosses and elites. While using your main attack you can spam summon him. As soon as he's summoned he'll cast his wave attack which does a good amount of damage. With the templar and his regen skill combined with mantra of healing and sustenance you can get a crazy amount of regen going on.

[inso]

At cap, sure. But again, he's low level. Rubies are much better when you have a low level with low crit % (low level gear doesn't have crit%). For flawless square the ruby will be a 10-20% weapon dps increase (multiplied by dex throughout). Whereas 45% extra damage 5-10% of the time will be ~2-4% extra damage.

[Drakefang]

Thanks for the advice, I'll keep working on it. Already using much of the gems you all are discussing. I'll look for a higher dps weapon, too. My monk is level 42 right now.

[inso]

Right around the range for using level 60 weapons then (they can go to at least -18 level req). Just sucks the interface doesn't support seeing them without wrestling with the AH search functions.

[Atlanteax]

Heh, D3 was discussed on CNN...

http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/10/tech/gaming-gadgets/diablo-iii-player-reactions/index.html

[Liagala]

Heh, D3 was discussed on CNN...

http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/10/tech/gaming-gadgets/diablo-iii-player-reactions/index.html
I saw this post and thought, "Hey, that's cool. Let's see what they had to say." Then while the page was loading, I noticed who posted it. Why am I not surprised that the first word to jump out at me from the title was "broken?" It really gets old after a while, Atlanteax. You don't like Blizzard. We get it. You don't need to try to ambush and sabotage them in our eyes every chance you get.

On that note, remember the old GS messaging when you tried to AMBUSH a part of the scenery? "Atlanteax ambushes Blizzard mercilessly, but to little effect" or something along those lines?

[Androidpk]

I saw this post and thought, "Hey, that's cool. Let's see what they had to say." Then while the page was loading, I noticed who posted it. Why am I not surprised that the first word to jump out at me from the title was "broken?" It really gets old after a while, Atlanteax. You don't like Blizzard. We get it. You don't need to try to ambush and sabotage them in our eyes every chance you get.

On that note, remember the old GS messaging when you tried to AMBUSH a part of the scenery? "Atlanteax ambushes Blizzard mercilessly, but to little effect" or something along those lines?

And we get that you don't like when he complains about Blizzard games, get over it.

[AnticorRifling]

No, just when bad tie does it. Kind of like AD asking for advice. We don't mind people asking advice, just AD.

[Liagala]

I just don't understand why someone has to deliberately take the time to show up in a thread that has been here for months/years, about a game they have disliked for months/years, and say, "This sucks, you're all dumb, I'm going home."

[inso]

Well they definitely need to up their official forum moderation, though it definitely makes for the lols sometimes. Like the #2 most popular thread last night, which got 26 pages (thread limit) filled with ascii penises and a part 2 before they even started deleting posts. And the most popular threads show up on the home page:

http://i.imgur.com/UmPm9.jpg

[Androidpk]

It's not like posting a quick response is all that time consuming. Not to mention lots of people think D3 has been one giant cluster fuck, so of course they are still going to be talking/debating.

[AnticorRifling]

That's pretty funny.

[Atlanteax]

Well they definitely need to up their official forum moderation, though it definitely makes for the lols sometimes. Like the #2 most popular thread last night, which got 26 pages (thread limit) filled with ascii penises and a part 2 before they even started deleting posts. And the most popular threads show up on the home page:

http://i.imgur.com/UmPm9.jpg

Lawl ... and the third is basically feigned shock that there are more moderators present than usual, comical.

[Atlanteax]

It's not like posting a quick response is all that time consuming. Not to mention lots of people think D3 has been one giant cluster fuck, so of course they are still going to be talking/debating.

But according to Liagala, you are not allowed to express dissatisfaction with WoW / D3. Maybe just once tho, twice may be pushing it.


I just don't understand why someone has to deliberately take the time to show up in a thread that has been here for months/years, about a game they have disliked for months/years, and say, "This sucks, you're all dumb, I'm going home."

Anyhow, I thought that it was interesting that CNN ran an article on it, and it was D3-related. I was amused that I read the same cited threads, and liked the ending where there was a reference to "oh well, maybe there is still hope that this game can be fun/good". There seems sorta a parallel with how many former Gemstoners are "le sigh at what once was", and current players just keep trucking along. We've seen how these kind of threads keep popping up here now and again from time to time.

No need to get your panties all twisted up into a knot over this. (re-used phrase having been proofread this time, thanks Tisket!)

[Some Rogue]

So according to this article, which really didn't bring any new info, you can't please everyone? Well no shit. Some say it's too hard, some say it's too easy, some say it's fine. CNN is on the ball again. Basically they just reprinted what the Dev's have already said. Like Yahoo did this week too in their article.

So is this a real news article with really poor writing or just an opinion piece?


What's funny is that some players who have said they are abandoning "Diablo III" are still hanging around its forums to ask those playing why they're still in the game. While some posts are mocking, others really want to know whether there is something they've missed, some aspect of the game they haven't seen. Perhaps fans are willing (hoping?) to believe there is more to be discovered in Sanctuary. Sounds like Bad Tie.

I don't know why people pay 60 bucks (or nothing if you had the annual pass) then expect to get an infinite number of hours of playtime. Most non-mmo videos games you play through and you're done. But Blizzard fans think they're entitled to more always.

[g++]

Other players go the other route, thinking the game is "broken" because it is simply too hard. Forum poster "Themaceguy (http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/5978860598)" describes what he called "Icarus hard," a reference to pushing the game's limits and being punished for it, like the Greek mythological figure who fell to his death after flying too close to the sun. It's an acceptable approach for him.

From the CNN article.

Guess they dont play Kid Icarus over at CNN

[Atlanteax]

Other players go the other route, thinking the game is "broken" because it is simply too hard. Forum poster "Themaceguy (http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/5978860598)" describes what he called "Icarus hard," a reference to pushing the game's limits and being punished for it, like the Greek mythological figure who fell to his death after flying too close to the sun. It's an acceptable approach for him.

From the CNN article.

Guess they dont play Kid Icarus over at CNN

I remember that one for the NES, was a sweet game.

I'm somewhat skeptical that the writer even played D3, or has much genuine familiarity with it, as clearly did not get a lot of the references (as you pointed out).

[g++]

I don't think the original author was talking about Kid Icarus I was just joking that Kid Icarus was hard as shit and popular.

[Androidpk]

NES Kid Icarus wasn't the slightest bit hard if that's the one you're talking about. I haven't played the new one yet.

[g++]

No I am talking about the NES one. I remember it being difficult. I was also 9 when I played it.

[Androidpk]

Same here but I was like that kid from The Wizard when it came to beating NES games.

[inso]

Today's maintenance was to enable gold selling on the RMAH, if anyone was waiting for that.

[TheEschaton]

The Wizard was an awesome movie.

Also, pet peeve: Why do legitimate news organizations quote forum users? Do they know who these people are? Have they researched to see if they actually have an educated opinion? It's obvious the writer at CNN has no clue about D3, how'd he pick these forum users to quote then?

It's almost as bad as CNN's i-reporting, born of Columbine.

[Rinualdo]

I've been having a blast with my ww barb.

If anyone needs help leveling, shoot me a pm. I do a lot of act3 hell runs for gold farming if someone wants to tag along with xp gear on.

[Atlanteax]

http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Diablo-3-Forces-Korean-Government-Ban-All-Virtual-Item-Trades-43620.html

Lawl, I loved the writer's attitude about D3. But *wow* at Korean government making it official with a $43,000 fine if you use the RMAH.

http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Diablo-3-Class-Action-Lawsuit-Underway-43525.html

Korean cafe-owners file a class-action lawsuit against Blizzard due to losses that they suffered from their purchases of D3.

[Drew]

Remember when The E was defending Blizzard's approach to Diablo 3? Isn't it nice that no matter what the issue The E is always on the wrong side of it? It helps me keep my sextant calibrated.

[Warriorbird]

Remember when The E was defending Blizzard's approach to Diablo 3? Isn't it nice that no matter what the issue The E is always on the wrong side of it? It helps me keep my sextant calibrated.

So that's what they're calling it these days, Horatio Hornblower?

[Drew]

Sometimes I calibrate it three times a day.

[Androidpk]

You don't want to calibrate too much, your transmission fluid will gak up.

[Drakefang]

You don't want to calibrate too much, your transmission fluid will gak up.

Is that what they're calling a dry fire, now a days?

[Androidpk]

Yes sir.

[AestheticDeath]

No, just when bad tie does it. Kind of like AD asking for advice. We don't mind people asking advice, just AD.

Good to know I am still loved!

Someone sell me some d3 gold/items? :P

[Rinualdo]

Good to know I am still loved!

Someone sell me some d3 gold/items? :P

Whatcha looking for?

[Some Rogue]

Diablo III is one of the best online games that you can play for many hours. While you are playing the game you can find weapons, gold, mana, find health potions and increase your character by learning skills and spells while building strength and finding new weapons to fight anything that tries to attack you. Diablo III starts 20 years following the events where Diablo II ends. The Worldstone, which Tyrael protected at the ending of Diablo II "Lord of Destruction", has been destroyed, no longer shielding the world of Sanctuary from Heaven or even Hell. Diablo III is a fast paced game that demands the right balance of skill, experience and intelligence. The truth is this is the best way to increase your weapon damage from levels 1 up to about level 35.

3850

[Atlanteax]

Jay Wilson admits Diablo3 is flawed.

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/6398870250

[Ryku]

That guy fucked up pretty hard, a lot.

[Tgo01]

Jay Wilson admits Diablo3 is flawed.

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/6398870250

Wow I guess all of the haters have stopped trolling the D3 boards and only the fanboys still post there. Can't believe a post like that is up and hardly anyone is saying anything negative. It's all "An apology wasn't needed! You are a GOD for having given one though!"

gag

[Tenlaar]

In Diablo and Diablo II, he made two of the games that have most affected me as a developer.

ROFLCOPTOR

[Tgo01]

I decided to give this game another try since reading about these patches and all I have to say is...HOLY FUCKING SHIT IS THIS GAME EVER FUCKING BORING.

That is all.

[Tgo01]

Anyone still playing this game? Have they released any patches that made the game, y'know, fun? Last patch I tried was the one where they added those pragmatic levels or whatever they were called.

[Jarvan]

I can't play the game right now, seems somehow my act was compromised, even with a nasty password and an authenticator, and it set up to send me a txt if any changes were made.

So now I have to try to call them, since apparently my name isnt on the act anymore either. Pain in the ass.

[Atlanteax]

Someone with way too much time on their hands did a real nice polished 'manifesto' of what needs to be done to improve the game quality of D3.

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/7980249170

Makes you wonder how much better off D3 would had been if someone like him instead of Jay Dipshit was the product manager.

[Back]

Someone with way too much time on their hands did a real nice polished 'manifesto' of what needs to be done to improve the game quality of D3.

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/7980249170

Makes you wonder how much better off D3 would had been if someone like him instead of Jay Dipshit was the product manager.

I guess we'll find out when he makes his own game? As in... never.

[Drew]

Thanks for linking to that.

[Taernath]

Hit the nail on the head in regards to itemization and the AH.

[Methais]

Is this game still penis? I still have it installed but am too lazy to log in.

[TheEschaton]

It's better now, but it still suffers the same problem of having to play the same game 4 times per character. It's so annoying.

[Methais]

It's better now, but it still suffers the same problem of having to play the same game 4 times per character. It's so annoying.

Nothing new that's noteworthy for endgame? Or is it still an endless gold grind so you can upgrade your gear via the auction house to make grinding for more gold to buy nor gear with slightly easier?

[TheEschaton]

They added the Paragon system. But yeah, it's still a gear grind, and the most effective way to gear up is saving gold to buy the items off the AH, since the randomization of drops is horrible.

[Taernath]

Nothing new that's noteworthy for endgame? Or is it still an endless gold grind so you can upgrade your gear via the auction house to make grinding for more gold to buy nor gear with slightly easier?

Nothing that changes the underlying problems, no.

There's been talk of an expansion but I haven't heard anything definite yet.

[Methais]

Nothing that changes the underlying problems, no.

There's been talk of an expansion but I haven't heard anything definite yet.

Gee, I hope it has MORE RANDOM GEAR!

[Danical]

1.07 helped to create a little more build diversity with regards to Monks. The Hells Bells build on my HC monk was fun until I got two-shot.

[Tgo01]

Anyone play D3 still? Anyone heard about the new expansion pack? Anyone going to buy it? Play it?

I'm still pissed off at Blizzard over the original release of D3, wasn't excited at all about the expansion pack of Starcraft, not even the least bit interested in the expansion pack for D3. Where did Blizzard go wrong guys? Where? :(

[Taernath]

For me it was mainly the gear. Real kick in the balls to have a legendary drop and it's got nonsensical stats. That said, I still am going to pick up the expansion.

[Tgo01]

For me it was mainly the gear. Real kick in the balls to have a legendary drop and it's got nonsensical stats. That said, I still am going to pick up the expansion.

Let us know how it is. I want the deets man, the deets.

[subzero]

Anyone play D3 still? Anyone heard about the new expansion pack? Anyone going to buy it? Play it?

I'm still pissed off at Blizzard over the original release of D3, wasn't excited at all about the expansion pack of Starcraft, not even the least bit interested in the expansion pack for D3. Where did Blizzard go wrong guys? Where? :(

I just fired it up again the other day for a little bit. From the expansion info I saw, it should be free considering it looks like they're going back and doing things they way they should have been done the first time around. I don't think I'll be buying it unless it somehow turns out exceedingly awesome. Between PoE and MH, I can play decent ARPGs for free.

[Methais]

I just fired it up again the other day for a little bit. From the expansion info I saw, it should be free considering it looks like they're going back and doing things they way they should have been done the first time around. I don't think I'll be buying it unless it somehow turns out exceedingly awesome. Between PoE and MH, I can play decent ARPGs for free.

What exactly is it they're doing? I don't care enough to actually research it myself, but if it sounds interesting enough I might pick it up.

[Tgo01]

What exactly is it they're doing? I don't care enough to actually research it myself, but if it sounds interesting enough I might pick it up.

I think I read the free patch contains changes to paragon level, most notably that there is no longer a paragon cap so you can level your character forever. That sounds mildly interesting. The other change is to loot, loot now has a better chance to be better suited to the character you found the loot with so you should have an easier time gearing up the character you are playing.

The changes in the expansion pack are a new character class, an increase to the regular level cap (10 levels I think) and a new act.

[Taernath]

New class (crusader aka shield paladin) and loot changes to make loot more class appropriate. I think the latter is going live regardless if you've bought the expansion or not. Those are the main things I was paying attention to.

[Methais]

Nice. The randomness on loot resulting in almost everything you find being useless in order to shoehorn everyone to the AH/RMAH is what killed the game for me.

[Danical]

I've read all the Gamescom content. My body is ready.

[Jhynnifer]

Nice. The randomness on loot resulting in almost everything you find being useless in order to shoehorn everyone to the AH/RMAH is what killed the game for me.

Diablo II was the same way, without the RMAH. It used to keep people playing long past finishing the game. Now its just frustrating.

[Gelston]

I never quite got into Diablo 3. I played about 20 minutes of it and just... Meh. $60 for 20 minutes! Like a damn phone sex line!

I have now decided to redownload it and try it out again, though.

[Warriorbird]

I never quite got into Diablo 3. I played about 20 minutes of it and just... Meh. $60 for 20 minutes! Like a damn phone sex line!

I have now decided to redownload it and try it out again, though.

It's okay till the third difficulty level. Then... ugh.

[SHAFT]

It's okay till the third difficulty level. Then... ugh.

Inferno is weak. When it first came out it was hard, but now you can breeze through it with halfway decent gear. Especially if you're in a party with a high paragon lvl character. Nothing hard about it now. They should ratchet up the difficulty with this new expansion.

The thing tha sucks about the auction house is that if you ever did come to an area in the game you couldn't handle, you can just go to the auction house and find an upgrade to get you through it. What's the point of grinding for gear like in the old days when you can just shop for it?

[Drisco]

Have they even came out with the PvP that was promised? My word, fix the game before you come out with an Expansion.

[subzero]

Diablo II was the same way, without the RMAH. It used to keep people playing long past finishing the game. Now its just frustrating.

They actually made the drops worse in D3 because there was the additional avenue of finding gear via the AH. That's not to say good shit dropped like fruit from a tree in D2, but they definitely, intentionally made it worse for D3.

edit: Didn't catch the bit about some of the changes being expansion and others general patch updates, but I suppose it makes sense. Hard to change the loot system just for expansion players.

[Some Rogue]

Picked this up again too after the announcement. After not playing for several months, it feels like it was nerfed pretty hard. Finished Act 3 on Inferno with no problem whatsoever and I even one shot Azmodan. Don't know if it will keep my interest long enough to finish Act 4 on inferno.

[Tgo01]

Blizzard must do this on purpose. Make things extremely difficult so the "hardcore" players can feel superior for finishing something the average Joe Nothing can't do then once the hardcore players get bored of being hardcore they nerf the game to shit.

[SHAFT]

Blizzard must do this on purpose. Make things extremely difficult so the "hardcore" players can feel superior for finishing something the average Joe Nothing can't do then once the hardcore players get bored of being hardcore they nerf the game to shit.

They do it WoW every time they release new raids. After a while they throw in a 20% nerf or something similar.

Diablo 3 is so easy on Inferno right now it's pointless. Even the thrill of finding new gear is gone. Why grind? Just go shop on the AH.

[Whirlin]

Yeah, but they did add post-Inferno levels that you can set... Like, additional monster levels or something...

Just to fine tune the difficulty, and increase magic find accordingly...

But that being said, it's exactly as Shaft said... may as well grind it on derp mode, and just take the gold and buy godly shit on the AH.

[subzero]

Blizzard must do this on purpose. Make things extremely difficult so the "hardcore" players can feel superior for finishing something the average Joe Nothing can't do then once the hardcore players get bored of being hardcore they nerf the game to shit.

I could be wrong, but I don't think any of that started until Activision came along. Fuckers.

[Loyrl]

Not really interested in the expansion, I did play my HC DH a few hours the other day and went from lvl 56 to a2 inferno with out any issues or close calls. If the expansion is 20$ I'll pick it up possibly, I didn't even pick up SC2's expansion and I like SC/BW. Blizzard left a bad taste in most people.

[Gelston]

The expansion for SC was well worth the money, if you like single player campaigns. You should get it.

[Narthsin]

Has anyone played this on a console yet? I have a 360 and have been thinking of picking it up at some point, but I'm considering waiting for it to drop to the sub-$20 level and getting it used.

[Suppressed Poet]

Just bought it tonight. Haven't played it yet.

I couldn't run it on my pc and didn't feel like upgrading. Got it for the 360. Hopefully it doesn't suck as bad as everyone said, but I feel it's one of those games that deserve the benefit of the doubt. I played and enjoyed the predecessors for endless hours as a kid.

[Taernath]

It's got offline mode going for it, at least.

[Gelston]

That is one things consoles have going for them, last hold out against not having "always online" requirements, some companies have been doing that mess on computers for years. Microsoft even backed down.

[Silvean]

I'm enjoying Diablo 3 on the 360. I haven't played it on the PC but I understand the item drop rate is much better on consoles and that's essential for a positive demon squishing experience. It plays well on the controller too. I only buy games on launch day a few times a year and this one was worth it.

[Taernath]

It wasn't the drop rate that was bad, it was the itemization that forced you to use the AH to get decent gear.