Election Watch 2020 - Trump/Pence vs Biden/Harris

[Back]

Its literally people vs profits.

Shutting down the economy vs saving lives.

Those with excess can weather the plague just fine leaving those who are in need out to die. If you have problems its no one else's fault but your own. No reason to shut down the economy if you have enough to get by. If a few million die maybe that will free up even more wealth for the top 1%.

The problem with all of that reasoning is that the strength of humanity is in its collective. We lift up those who need help so that we are all stronger. Some problems are not people's fault. Some are unlucky, some wind up in very difficult situations through no fault of their own, and some are preyed upon by others of ill-intent.

This pandemic is teaching us a few things about ourselves. We better learn.

Oh, and...

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[caelric]

Oh, backlash, if only the world was so simple as you make it out to be.

[Gelston]

Yeah, Biden has made a lot of money recently.

[Parkbandit]

Oh, backlash, if only the world was so simple as you make it out to be.

Backlash is just a simple guy.. he wants free stuff. Someone start up a gofundme page for that poor victim.

PS - Please just move to Venezuela and see how it is like to live in a socialist country.

[RichardCranium]

Lol @ plague.

[~Rocktar~]

. . . the strength of humanity is in its collective.

Ummmm, no. The strength of humanity is it's adaptability. Stop gobbling Karl Marx dick and get a clue dumbass. I know it's asking a lot and I know you love Socialist/Communist jizz since you regurgitate so much of it, do it for society.

[Parkbandit]

Ummmm, no. The strength of humanity is it's adaptability. Stop gobbling Karl Marx dick and get a clue dumbass. I know it's asking a lot and I know you love Socialist/Communist jizz since you regurgitate so much of it, do it for society.

Honestly, I have no idea why he even stays in this country. I get that he's lazy, dumb and poor.. but fuck.. all you have to do is go to Canada and you would have more socialism.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I couldn't tell from Backrash's post if he's for or against another shutdown.

[caelric]

I couldn't tell from Backrash's post if he's for or against another shutdown.

Not sure if he really knows, either.

[~Rocktar~]

I couldn't tell from Backrash's post if he's for or against another shutdown.

CNN hasn't told him yet.

[Back]

No one, including me, gives a shit what is said about me on these boards.

What do you think the choices are in this election?

[~Rocktar~]

Trump vs Harris

A billionaire rich kid that has done more for the economy and world peace than anyone in the modern age vs an ambitious, hateful woman that literally sucked cock to get into office and is pushing the most Socialist and totalitarian agenda the country has ever seen.

[Parkbandit]

I hope that it's the black voting block that turns out to be the deciding factor in a Trump re-election. I can't wait for these "woke" liberals to turn on them and show their true colors.

"If you don't vote for me, you ain't black!" - Joe Biden 2020

[Alfster]

Trump vs Harris

A billionaire rich kid that has done more for the economy and world peace than anyone in the modern age vs an ambitious, hateful woman that literally sucked cock to get into office and is pushing the most Socialist and totalitarian agenda the country has ever seen.

All these bailouts are socialism. Trump's pushed more socialism on us since ww2 than anyone.

He's not a billionaire.

He's caused more turmoil than what he's supposedly solved.

Hahahah

[Blazar]

Trump vs Harris

A billionaire rich kid that has done more for the economy and world peace than anyone in the modern age vs an ambitious, hateful woman that literally sucked cock to get into office and is pushing the most Socialist and totalitarian agenda the country has ever seen.

I'm curious, did you come up with your name because you're as slow as a rock rolling through tar? Rocks aren't delusional so that can't be it....

[Bhaalizmo]

Trump vs Harris

A billionaire rich kid that has done more for the economy and world peace than anyone in the modern age

Not a billionaire, even if you count loans past due. He's lost a billion. Flushed his inheritance, loaned funds, and our nations economy down the drain.

World peace? Are you serious? You feel the world is safer and closer to peace now than it was 4 years ago, eh? I feel American homes are safer because we're all more locked and loaded than ever, but the world as a whole? Nah.


vs an ambitious hateful woman that literally sucked cock to get into office and is pushing the most Socialist and totalitarian agenda the country has ever seen.

So you're saying Kamala sucked cock to get into office now? Presumably you have a link to some shady site that's pushing this story, or is it as much BS as the rest of what you've said in this post?

Also, why wouldn't her incredible cock sucking skills get my vote versus his cringy prostitute paying off pussy grabbin skills?

[ClydeR]

I believe this is Trump's best bet..


https://www.270towin.com/map-images/VOOb7.png

It requires Trump to win, in order of difficulty, the battlegrounds of NE-2, Pennsylvania, Florida, ME-2, and North Carolina, while holding other states that he won in 2016, except for Wisconsin, Michigan and Arizona. It is a longshot but definitely possible.

[ClydeR]

Oh, I just saw that Iowa and Georgia are slipping. They will have to the added to the list of battleground states that Trump must win. Still possible, just less so.

[~Rocktar~]

Not a billionaire, even if you count loans past due. He's lost a billion. Flushed his inheritance, loaned funds, and our nations economy down the drain.

So you are saying that the guy is not a billionaire? Even with all his loans vs his net worth, he is still worth well over a billion dollars. How does math work? Stop being retarded.


World peace? Are you serious? You feel the world is safer and closer to peace now than it was 4 years ago, eh? I feel American homes are safer because we're all more locked and loaded than ever, but the world as a whole? Nah.

How many wars did he start? How many is he trying to get us out of? How many peace deals has he brokered in the Middle East? Remember when you Leftist whiners were saying he would start WWIII? Again, stop being retarded.


So you're saying Kamala sucked cock to get into office now? Presumably you have a link to some shady site that's pushing this story, or is it as much BS as the rest of what you've said in this post?

Reading comprehension, how does it work? It's well documented that she slept her way into state politics in California up from basically a clerk position. Stop being retarded.


Also, why wouldn't her incredible cock sucking skills get my vote versus his cringy prostitute paying off pussy grabbin skills?

Yeah, she has your vote because you are retarded. And you are just jealous because you can't afford to pay a prostitute/porn star for sex.

Stop being retarded.

[Skeletor]

To all the Dems here. If you think election night is going to be a “sit back and enjoy the trump tears” returns coming in you’re going to be in for a big surprise. This election is way closer than you all think.

[drauz]

Reading comprehension, how does it work? It's well documented that she slept her way into state politics in California up from basically a clerk position. Stop being retarded.


So it should be easy to provide a link since they're so abundant, yet you didn't do so.

https://media.tenor.com/images/14598ea4925fac211ca190dd09090d3e/tenor.gif

[Alfster]

Incoming more links from the federalist. Lol

[Seran]

So it should be easy to provide a link since they're so abundant, yet you didn't do so.

https://media.tenor.com/images/14598ea4925fac211ca190dd09090d3e/tenor.gif

Have you ever seen legitimate information or research posted by the Dreaven/Rocktard crew? This group vets nothing and props up every piece of disinformation they can find on Twitter as fact.

[Neveragain]

Have you ever seen legitimate information or research posted by the Dreaven/Rocktard crew? This group vets nothing and props up every piece of disinformation they can find on Twitter as fact.

I want to hear more about male lactation from the highly educated and multiple PHD awarded folks on the PC.

[Parkbandit]

To all the Dems here. If you think election night is going to be a “sit back and enjoy the trump tears” returns coming in you’re going to be in for a big surprise. This election is way closer than you all think.

Trump is going to lose. Biden by a LANDSLIDE. I saw this on CNN so you know it's true.

Now shut your mouth up.

[beldannon5]

damn, so I don't need to go vote then?

[~Rocktar~]

So it should be easy to provide a link since they're so abundant, yet you didn't do so.

https://media.tenor.com/images/14598ea4925fac211ca190dd09090d3e/tenor.gif

Because you are too fucking lazy to DuckDuckGo

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/08/willie_brown_admits_it_kamala_harris_slept_her_way _to_the_top.html

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2020/08/no_author/willie-brown-admits-it-kamala-harris-slept-her-way-to-the-top/

https://www.lucianne.com/2020/08/14/why_it_should_matter_to_women_thatbrkamala_harris_ slept_her_way_up_41053.html

And here is a Leftist rag acknowledging she did it and then trying to make apologies and arguing that it's sexist to call into question her political abilities because she DID do it.

https://www.harpersbazaar.com/culture/politics/a26077919/kamala-harris-willie-brown-dating-explained/

[~Rocktar~]

Have you ever seen legitimate information or research posted by the Dreaven/Rocktard crew? This group vets nothing and props up every piece of disinformation they can find on Twitter as fact.

This coming from a person that cites CNN and Motherjones. Get the fuck out of here, stop being retarded.

[Parkbandit]

So it should be easy to provide a link since they're so abundant, yet you didn't do so.

https://media.tenor.com/images/14598ea4925fac211ca190dd09090d3e/tenor.gif

She had an affair with Willie Brown, former San Francisco Mayor and State Assembly Speaker. She was like 30, he was married and 60.

But yea.. maybe she didn't sleep with him to help her political aspirations.. though Willie did appoint her to 2 posts.. 1st to the California Unemployment Insurance Appeals Board, and then to the Medical Assistance Commission.

That was just a coincidence though..

[Parkbandit]

damn, so I don't need to go vote then?

That is what all the polls point to... if you are a Republican. But if you are a Democrat, you still need to vote.

Polls are never wrong.

[Alfster]

Because you are too fucking lazy to DuckDuckGo

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/08/willie_brown_admits_it_kamala_harris_slept_her_way _to_the_top.html

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2020/08/no_author/willie-brown-admits-it-kamala-harris-slept-her-way-to-the-top/

https://www.lucianne.com/2020/08/14/why_it_should_matter_to_women_thatbrkamala_harris_ slept_her_way_up_41053.html

And here is a Leftist rag acknowledging she did it and then trying to make apologies and arguing that it's sexist to call into question her political abilities because she DID do it.

https://www.harpersbazaar.com/culture/politics/a26077919/kamala-harris-willie-brown-dating-explained/

Haha. This is great. Keep providing opinion pieces and calling them news.

[~Rocktar~]

Haha. This is great. Keep providing opinion pieces and calling them news.

Opinion is good enough for the Left when they cite CNN and Motherjones among others.

[Orthin]

She had an affair with Willie Brown, former San Francisco Mayor and State Assembly Speaker. She was like 30, he was married and 60.

But yea.. maybe she didn't sleep with him to help her political aspirations.. though Willie did appoint her to 2 posts.. 1st to the California Unemployment Insurance Appeals Board, and then to the Medical Assistance Commission.

That was just a coincidence though..


I mean both sides have a robust history of affairs and glad-handing. Maybe she will sleep her way into some sweet trade deals.

[drauz]

She had an affair with Willie Brown, former San Francisco Mayor and State Assembly Speaker. She was like 30, he was married and 60.

But yea.. maybe she didn't sleep with him to help her political aspirations.. though Willie did appoint her to 2 posts.. 1st to the California Unemployment Insurance Appeals Board, and then to the Medical Assistance Commission.

That was just a coincidence though..

While technically married he had been estranged from his wife for 10 years I think it was. While anything is possible you are making leaps that no one has corroborated. It could also be true that she was qualified for the positions and he felt she was the best person for the job.

[caelric]

While technically married he had been estranged from his wife for 10 years I think it was. While anything is possible you are making leaps that no one has corroborated. It could also be true that she was qualified for the positions and he felt she was the best person for the job.

What proof do you need, exactly? High res pictures of his dick in her mouth?

[drauz]

Because you are too fucking lazy to DuckDuckGo

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/08/willie_brown_admits_it_kamala_harris_slept_her_way _to_the_top.html

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2020/08/no_author/willie-brown-admits-it-kamala-harris-slept-her-way-to-the-top/

https://www.lucianne.com/2020/08/14/why_it_should_matter_to_women_thatbrkamala_harris_ slept_her_way_up_41053.html

And here is a Leftist rag acknowledging she did it and then trying to make apologies and arguing that it's sexist to call into question her political abilities because she DID do it.

https://www.harpersbazaar.com/culture/politics/a26077919/kamala-harris-willie-brown-dating-explained/

First, thats not how this works. You make the claim you provide the source. I'm not going hunting for what you think is a source cause you're to lazy to cite your claims.

You could have just said "no, I don't have any real evidence and I'm just spouting opinion pieces as facts again"

It looks like she dated a mayor 20 years ago, while he was technically married he was estranged from his wife for a decade. He appointed her to a number of different positions in the CA gov't. If you have actual evidence of anything other than that happening, other than an opinion piece, please let us know.

[BriarFox]

LOL at the right-wing nuts here trying to make Kamala Harris out to be a corrupt slut. If she were a man in Florida, you'd say she was "tough on crime." If that's the best argument you've got in this election, get some ice ready to soothe that burned ass when Biden spanks Trump.

Also, if this is how you look at powerful women, you deserve to have a total bitch for a boss who grinds you into the dirt each day. The misogyny here is exhausting.

[Orthin]

What proof do you need, exactly? High res pictures of his dick in her mouth?

I'd prefer video but that's less for proof and more for pleasure #OldVYoung

[ClydeR]

To all the Dems here. If you think election night is going to be a “sit back and enjoy the trump tears” returns coming in you’re going to be in for a big surprise. This election is way closer than you all think.


If you are looking for facts to support an opinion that Trump will win, then check out this Twitter account - https://twitter.com/PollWatch2020

It will give you plenty of ammunition to make that argument to people who are not experts.

But are you deceiving yourself if you rely on such a selective spin of the polling data?

[caelric]

LOL at the right-wing nuts here trying to make Kamala Harris out to be a corrupt slut. If that's the best argument you've got in this election, get some ice ready to soothe that burned ass when Biden spanks Trump.

Also, if this is how you look at powerful women, you deserve to have a total bitch for a boss who grinds you into the dirt each day. The misogyny here is exhausting.

Honestly, that doesn't particularly bother me. The socialist police state (see her tenure as AG of CA) that President Harris would enact is actually terrifying

[Seran]

This coming from a person that cites CNN and Motherjones. Get the fuck out of here, stop being retarded.

Of course I cite CNN, they're an incredibly reputable news organization. Unlike your usual Twitter, Alex Jones and Project Veritas scrot worshipping posts, CNN actually conducts investigative journalism.

[~Rocktar~]

First, thats not how this works. You make the claim you provide the source. I'm not going hunting for what you think is a source cause you're to lazy to cite your claims.

You could have just said "no, I don't have any real evidence and I'm just spouting opinion pieces as facts again"

It looks like she dated a mayor 20 years ago, while he was technically married he was estranged from his wife for a decade. He appointed her to a number of different positions in the CA gov't. If you have actual evidence of anything other than that happening, other than an opinion piece, please let us know.

First of all, that IS how it works and how you Leftist shills do it. Keep making apologies for nominating a dementia patient that picked a corrupt Leftist slut as his VP.

[~Rocktar~]

LOL at the right-wing nuts here trying to make Kamala Harris out to be a corrupt slut. If she were a man in Florida, you'd say she was "tough on crime." If that's the best argument you've got in this election, get some ice ready to soothe that burned ass when Biden spanks Trump.

Also, if this is how you look at powerful women, you deserve to have a total bitch for a boss who grinds you into the dirt each day. The misogyny here is exhausting.

No, if a man in Florida intentionally withheld information that would exonerate black men in prison until a court ordered them to produce it, one such man was even executed, then we would call him a corrupt piece of shit. Which is what we are calling her.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

LOL at the right-wing nuts here trying to make Kamala Harris out to be a corrupt slut. If she were a man in Florida, you'd say she was "tough on crime." If that's the best argument you've got in this election, get some ice ready to soothe that burned ass when Biden spanks Trump.

Also, if this is how you look at powerful women, you deserve to have a total bitch for a boss who grinds you into the dirt each day. The misogyny here is exhausting.

Just FYI, it's possible to think she's a corrupt slut, and still respect powerful women. It's not black and white.

[BriarFox]

Just FYI, it's possible to think she's a corrupt slut, and still respect powerful women. It's not black and white.

Theoretically, sure, but you have to admit it's funny how every powerful Democratic woman gets the same treatment.

[~Rocktar~]

Of course I cite CNN, they're an incredibly reputable news organization. Unlike your usual Twitter, Alex Jones and Project Veritas scrot worshipping posts, CNN actually conducts investigative journalism.

Right.

[~Rocktar~]

Theoretically, sure, but you have to admit it's funny how every powerful Democratic woman gets the same treatment.

Pretty sure no one accused Hillary of sleeping her way to the top. Or Maxine waters, Nancy Pelosi and a host of others. And I KNOW that none of them have any corroborating evidence supplied from their past lovers.

[drauz]

First of all, that IS how it works and how you Leftist shills do it. Keep making apologies for nominating a dementia patient that picked a corrupt Leftist slut as his VP.

Correcting you isn't making apologies and no that's not how it works.

It's a well known fact that Mike Pence only got the VP nod by nodding his head on Trump's dick. No wonder he has no problem being alone with a guy but not a girl, doesn't want people to think he's straight.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Theoretically, sure, but you have to admit it's funny how every powerful Democratic woman gets the same treatment.

Disagree, I actually voted for a dem woman in my state. Sharice Davids, she's been fairly good. I'm voting for her again in a few days.

I stand by what I said.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

CNN actually conducts investigative journalism.

LOL WUT?

[BriarFox]

Disagree, I actually voted for a dem woman in my state. Sharice Davids, she's been fairly good. I'm voting for her again in a few days.

I stand by what I said.

The level of misogyny seems to increase with the prestige of the position. Female representatives and senators don't face as much as female vice presidential and presidential candidates. Here's an article on misogynistic attacks against female politicians broadly: https://www.ndi.org/sites/default/files/cost_of_doing_politics_analyzing_violence_and_hara ssment_against_female_politicians.pdf

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

The level of misogyny seems to increase with the prestige of the position. Female representatives and senators don't face as much as female vice presidential and presidential candidates. Here's an article on misogynistic attacks against female politicians broadly: https://www.ndi.org/sites/default/files/cost_of_doing_politics_analyzing_violence_and_hara ssment_against_female_politicians.pdf

That goal post keeps moving. Of course higher office receives more focus. It's a higher office. You could just say they get more attention, both positive and negative.

I still stand by what I said.

[BriarFox]

That goal post keeps moving. Of course higher office receives more focus. It's a higher office. You could just say they get more attention, both positive and negative.

I still stand by what I said.

What you said is basically, "I have a black friend. I'm not racist."

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

What you said is basically, "I have a black friend. I'm not racist."


Just FYI, it's possible to think she's a corrupt slut, and still respect powerful women. It's not black and white.

If you say so.

[Stolis]

Theoretically, sure, but you have to admit it's funny how every powerful Democratic woman gets the same treatment.

Elizabeth Warren and Hillary Clinton were never called sluts. Because that's disgusting.

[BriarFox]

If you say so.

You left out this one:


Disagree, I actually voted for a dem woman in my state. Sharice Davids, she's been fairly good. I'm voting for her again in a few days.

I stand by what I said.

You left out this one. Of course it's possible to think that a particular woman is corrupt while respecting women overall, and I agreed. When I responded that misogyny is prevalent in politics, though, you responded that you voted for a female politician, thus my response above.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

That's an anecdotal example of a woman in power who, to my knowledge, hasn't been drug through the mud. You can take it from the conversation and go back to my first point and it affects nothing. Do go on with your point though.

[Seizer]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilw8-4_Ch1k

[BriarFox]

That's an anecdotal example of a woman in power who, to my knowledge, hasn't been drug through the mud. You can take it from the conversation and go back to my first point and it affects nothing. Do go on with your point though.

The point should be fairly clear. It's that while all of your points may be true (that you can criticize one woman and respect them in general, and that you support a particular female politician), your response implicitly ignores the ways Harris is being treated. Trump et al are trying to portray her as a classic virago, a woman with too much power who can't be trusted with it - thus all the "President Harris" or "President Barris" bullshit.

[Parkbandit]

LOL at the right-wing nuts here trying to make Kamala Harris out to be a corrupt slut. If she were a man in Florida, you'd say she was "tough on crime." If that's the best argument you've got in this election, get some ice ready to soothe that burned ass when Biden spanks Trump.

Also, if this is how you look at powerful women, you deserve to have a total bitch for a boss who grinds you into the dirt each day. The misogyny here is exhausting.

You sound like you need a candlelit bubble bath and a tepid soy latte.

I hope Trump wins and you come here again the day after the election and just let it all out.

[Parkbandit]

I mean both sides have a robust history of affairs and glad-handing. Maybe she will sleep her way into some sweet trade deals.

https://media1.giphy.com/media/3oz8xCh3Hat5YWbx3W/giphy.gif

[Parkbandit]

While technically married he had been estranged from his wife for 10 years I think it was. While anything is possible you are making leaps that no one has corroborated. It could also be true that she was qualified for the positions and he felt she was the best person for the job.

What specific leaps did I make in that post you quoted? Re-read it.

You sound a bit defensive.

[Parkbandit]

Theoretically, sure, but you have to admit it's funny how every powerful Democratic woman gets the same treatment.

I don't think anyone here called Hillary a slut or that she used her body to make political gains.

[Neveragain]

The point should be fairly clear. It's that while all of your points may be true (that you can criticize one woman and respect them in general, and that you support a particular female politician), your response implicitly ignores the ways Harris is being treated. Trump et al are trying to portray her as a classic virago, a woman with too much power who can't be trusted with it - thus all the "President Harris" or "President Barris" bullshit.

You sound super desperate.

As much as it will hurt your sheltered ears, most women make terrible leaders. Harris has zero leadership qualities, if she did, she would have put innocent men above her career.

[Parkbandit]

You sound super desperate.

As much as it will hurt your sheltered ears, most women make terrible leaders.

Most people make terrible leaders. It's not a gender thing.

[Seran]

You sound super desperate.

As much as it will hurt your sheltered ears, most women make terrible leaders. Harris has zero leadership qualities, if she did, she would have put innocent men above her career.

Wow. Do you have any statistics to backup that bigotry

[Neveragain]

Wow. Do you have any statistics to backup that bigotry

Yes, every real history book.

[BriarFox]

Yes, every real history book.

By which he means episodes of The Handmaid’s Tale.

[Neveragain]

By which he means episodes of The Handmaid’s Tale.

There's reality and then there's the crock of shit your feelings make you say.

The fact is, women normally suck at leadership roles. We have 1000's of years of history to prove so.

[BriarFox]

There's reality and then there's the crock of shit your feelings make you say.

The fact is, women normally suck at leadership roles. We have 1000's of years of history to prove so.

Boadicca. Nicola de la Haye. Margaret Beaufort. Elizabeth I. I could go on, but I’ll pause while you Google those.

[Neveragain]

Boadicca. Nicola de la Haye. Margaret Beaufort. Elizabeth I. I could go on, but I’ll pause while you Google those.

Now do the 100 men for every one of those women. Like I said, women rarely make good leaders, they're just not psychologically wired with the leadership traits most people look for in a leader.

[Gelston]

Boadicca. Nicola de la Haye. Margaret Beaufort. Elizabeth I. I could go on, but I’ll pause while you Google those.

Boudicca allowed her men to rape and murder thousands of innocent civilians and was destroyed by a Roman army she outnumbered 23-1. When she lost, Britain never again tried to fight off the Romans in any meaningful way. If you are trying to point out a great leader, you are pointing at one of the biggest failures ever. I'd have probably pointed at Justinian's wife, Theodora, instead.

[Parkbandit]

There's reality and then there's the crock of shit your feelings make you say.

The fact is, women normally suck at leadership roles. We have 1000's of years of history to prove so.

Stop starting a sentence with "the fact is" and then typing out something that isn't factual at all. That's your opinion and not based in fact at all.

[Seran]

Boadicca. Nicola de la Haye. Margaret Beaufort. Elizabeth I. I could go on, but I’ll pause while you Google those.

Margaret Thatcher.. whom even the Right worshipped for a while.

[Neveragain]

Stop starting a sentence with "the fact is" and then typing out something that isn't factual at all. That's your opinion and not based in fact at all.

It is fact. History proves it, it's not even comparable.

US - 0 female presidents
France - 1 female president
GB - 2 female PM's
Germany - 1 female Chancellor
.
.
.
This is pretty standard through out human history and cultures.

It's just how it is because human nature, science and stuff.

[drauz]

It is fact. History proves it, it's not even comparable.

US - 0 female presidents
France - 1 female president
GB - 2 female PM's
Germany - 1 female Chancellor
.
.
.
This is pretty standard through out human history and cultures.

It's just how it is because human nature, science and stuff.

https://media4.giphy.com/media/1NZKvOjHCA7bgcjiAf/giphy-downsized.gif

[Seran]

It is fact. History proves it, it's not even comparable.

US - 0 female presidents
France - 1 female president
GB - 2 female PM's
Germany - 1 female Chancellor
.
.
.
This is pretty standard through out human history and cultures.

It's just how it is because human nature, science and stuff.

The bigotry of the past has no meaningful implications on women in leadership rolls.

Half the world treats women as inferior, covers every inch or flesh to hide the shame of their gender or treats them as little more than chattal and bargaining chips.. Even our own country is barely out of its suffrage movement, despite that, there are efforts of the right to keep their women meek and having more republican babies. Just because people are willfully ignorant of the capabilities and equality doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Bear that in mind when you're parting your meatflaps to say something ignorant and sexist.

[Neveragain]

https://media4.giphy.com/media/1NZKvOjHCA7bgcjiAf/giphy-downsized.gif

https://theconversation.com/how-understanding-animal-behaviour-can-liberate-us-from-gender-inequality-102981


How we behave as men and women
Research in psychology demonstrates gender differences on a broad range of personality traits, suggesting that women are less dominating than men.

On average, women score higher than men on the personality trait agreeableness, and lower on measures of social dominance orientation and self-esteem. Men are also higher on the “dark traits” of narcissism, psychopathy, and Machiavellianism.

Research that directly observes behaviour also shows clear gender differences in the expression of dominance. Women tend to interrupt less, smile more, and spend less time making eye contact when speaking and more time while listening compared to men.

Much of this behaviour occurs automatically and instinctively, without us even being aware of it. We might catch ourselves lowering our eyes when someone stares at us, dropping our shoulders and contracting our bodies to make ourselves smaller, or stepping out of someone else’s way as they approach.

These submissive behaviours are also observed among one of our closest living relatives, the chimpanzees.

And anyone with a pet dog would already be well familiar with dominance and submission behaviour in that species.

List the historically dominate nations that exist today that were founded by women..............

You can wish as hard as you want, the fact remains that we as humans overwhelmingly look for male dominate traits in our leaders. You can deny the science all you want, it doesn't change the facts.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I did not see the turn this thread took coming.

[Neveragain]

The bigotry of the past has no meaningful implications on women in leadership rolls.

Half the world treats women as inferior, covers every inch or flesh to hide the shame of their gender or treats them as little more than chattal and bargaining chips.. Even our own country is barely out of its suffrage movement, despite that, there are efforts of the right to keep their women meek and having more republican babies. Just because people are willfully ignorant of the capabilities and equality doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Bear that in mind when you're parting your meatflaps to say something ignorant and sexist.

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[Taernath]

https://media.tenor.com/images/d3ec0b5ea9816dba394c116d7056f5aa/tenor.gif

That's not science, it's fart-sniffing MGTOW bullshit.

[Neveragain]

That's not science, it's fart-sniffing MGTOW bullshit.

No, it's the truth. If it's not true, why don't we see at least an equal amount of male to female leaders through out history or at least somewhat close in range?

There is absolutely 0 evidence that supports women being seen as good as leaders as men, neither historically or scientifically.

But it sure is easy to take your side of the argument even though science proves it to be blatantly false.

[~Rocktar~]

I did not see the turn this thread took coming.

Well, he couldn't defend his anointed turd Harris from the fact that she slept her way into politics and kept black men in prison when she has the evidence to exonerate them so of course he moved on to play the sexism card. It's kind of sad really but it should be expected since it is the typical Leftist playbook.

[Taernath]

No, it's the truth. If it's not true, why don't we see at least an equal amount of male to female leaders through out history or at least somewhat close in range?

There is absolutely 0 evidence that supports women being seen as good as leaders as men, neither historically or scientifically.

But it sure is easy to take your side of the argument even though science proves it to be blatantly false.

Man, if you think that website you linked is backing up your incel arguments you're in bad shape. You're deep in male lactation territory here.

[caelric]

It is fact. History proves it, it's not even comparable.

US - 0 female presidents
France - 1 female president
GB - 2 female PM's
Germany - 1 female Chancellor
.
.
.
This is pretty standard through out human history and cultures.

It's just how it is because human nature, science and stuff.

It's a pretty sad day when I agree with Seran, Taernath and drauz, but they're right. You're spouting some misogynistic incel level bullshit. There are plenty of capable female leaders. Harris isn't one of them, but there have been plenty.

[Parkbandit]

No, it's the truth. If it's not true, why don't we see at least an equal amount of male to female leaders through out history or at least somewhat close in range?

There is absolutely 0 evidence that supports women being seen as good as leaders as men, neither historically or scientifically.

But it sure is easy to take your side of the argument even though science proves it to be blatantly false.

Now you are just being an ignorant fuck.

Stop it.

[Gelston]

Neveragain has once again gone full retard.

[Astray]

It is fact. History proves it, it's not even comparable.

US - 0 female presidents
France - 1 female president
GB - 2 female PM's
Germany - 1 female Chancellor
.
.
.
This is pretty standard through out human history and cultures.

It's just how it is because human nature, science and stuff.

'ey bruh, whose fucking mans is this?

[Neveragain]

It's a pretty sad day when I agree with Seran, Taernath and drauz, but they're right. You're spouting some misogynistic incel level bullshit. There are plenty of capable female leaders. Harris isn't one of them, but there have been plenty.

Again, there is no historical evidence nor scientific evidence that supports this. This is simple biology, males overwhelmingly are chosen as leaders in the human species. It's simple science not based on feelings. Historically, the ratio of men to women leaders is not even the same universe.

I know it makes your heart all warm and enlightened but that does not change the overwhelming evidence that overall women don't make good leaders, our historical evidence overwhelmingly proves this.

[Neveragain]

Neveragain has once again gone full retard.

Where's your evidence. Show me all these woman leaders that are on the same scale as men.

[drauz]

Again, there is no historical evidence nor scientific evidence that supports this. This is simple biology, males overwhelmingly are chosen as leaders in the human species. It's simple science not based on feelings. Historically, the ratio of men to women leaders is not even the same universe.

I know it makes your heart all warm and enlightened but that does not change the overwhelming evidence that overall women don't make good leaders, our historical evidence overwhelmingly proves this.

Please tell me more, I am interested in hearing all about all the ways you think women are inferior to men.

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[drauz]

Neveragain has once again gone full retard.

He had to change names last time. Lets see who he morphs into now.

[Neveragain]

Please tell me more, I am interested in hearing all about all the ways you think women are inferior to men.

https://media0.giphy.com/media/iDJuQR0UmiqOI/giphy.gif

I didn't say women are inferior. Humans just don't look for feminine qualities in their leaders. This is 6th grade biology shit, I know how you hate science.....

[Neveragain]

He had to change names last time. Lets see who he morphs into now.

https://media1.tenor.com/images/0c649a83781c772120f3f9136c87a642/tenor.gif?itemid=4696239

[Neveragain]

This historical tendency still persists, although women are increasingly being elected to be heads of state and government. As of October 2019, the global participation rate of women in national-level parliaments is 24.5%. In 2013, women accounted for 8% of all national leaders and 2% of all presidential posts.

Like I said, humans don't like feminine qualities in their leaders.

It's science.

[time4fun]

Like I said, humans don't like feminine qualities in their leaders.

It's science.

You really are dumb as a box of rocks.

Fortunately for you, you are so deeply and wildly ignorant of the world that you never quite notice.

[Neveragain]

You really are dumb as a box of rocks.

Fortunately for you, you are so deeply and wildly ignorant of the world that you never quite notice.

And yet, only 2% of the world leaders are women.....I didn't choose their positions.

It's almost as if primates look to the male of the species to guard over the family, or something.................

P.S. I don't know why you're so upset with me, it was Kamala Harris that knowingly kept innocent black men locked up in prison. :shrug:

[~Rocktar~]

I really am dumb as a box of rocks.

Fortunately for me, I am so deeply and wildly ignorant of the world that I never quite notice.

ftfy

[Bhaalizmo]

Lemme cradle the balls

Ftfy

[~Rocktar~]

Ftfy

We all know you have a cock and balls fetish, you don't have to keep advertising it. Sorry to break your heart, I don't swing that way. I normally might be flattered but it's you so I think I threw up a little in my mouth.

[Stolis]

Please tell me more, I am interested in hearing all about all the ways you think women are inferior to men.

https://media0.giphy.com/media/iDJuQR0UmiqOI/giphy.gif

Their ability to piss in a urinal from a couple of feet away is really lackluster, IMO.

[Astray]

Their ability to piss in a urinal from a couple of feet away is really lackluster, IMO.

It's all about pressure.

[Gelston]

Where's your evidence. Show me all these woman leaders that are on the same scale as men.

Show me men you want me to compare, I'll find you women that do. Men are physically stronger, and for much of our history that was important. It is becoming less so.

Are you married? You got a girlfriend? Or are you some incel that scorns women? Honestly, the way you talk about women, and have always talked about women since the founding of your account, you sound like a poster boy for ISIS.

[Gelston]

Also, I love that Neveragain's retardedness brings the entire forum together. Maybe he is doing it on purpose.

[Neveragain]

Show me men you want me to compare, I'll find you women that do. Men are physically stronger, and for much of our history that was important. It is becoming less so.

Are you married? You got a girlfriend? Or are you some incel that scorns women? Honestly, the way you talk about women, and have always talked about women since the founding of your account, you sound like a poster boy for ISIS.

Married, 4 children, 2 of which are daughters. 3 Grandkids.

None of that changes that as a species we intuitively look for dominate male attributes in our chosen leaders. That's why, as I have already shown, only 2% of our world leaders are women.

It's science. It's not me that is saying this, it's literally 98% of the worlds countries.

So, until you can provide any evidence of a thriving society ran by women....you're full of shit.

I don't know why everyone is so troubled that water is wet..................it's just the nature of things.


Show me men you want me to compare

45 US presidents...and go.

[Gelston]

Married, 4 children, 2 of which are daughters. 3 Grandkids.

None of that changes that as a species we intuitively look for dominate male attributes in our chosen leaders. That's why, as I have already shown, only 2% of our world leaders are women.

It's science. It's not me that is saying this, it's literally 98% of the worlds countries.

So, until you can provide any evidence of a thriving society ran by women....you're full of shit.

I don't know why everyone is so troubled that water is wet..................it's just the nature of things.

So completely ignore my first sentence. Cool.

[Taernath]

Are you married? You got a girlfriend? Or are you some incel that scorns women? Honestly, the way you talk about women, and have always talked about women since the founding of your account, you sound like a poster boy for ISIS.

At one point I think he said his wife left him and took his daughter, whether or not that was before or after he became an MRA/MGTOW is unclear. It's hard to keep track of whose origin story is whose between he, Rocktard, and that guy that used to brag about how many times his female coworkers accused him of sexual harassment.

[Neveragain]

At one point I think he said his wife left him and took his daughter, whether or not that was before or after he became an MRA/MGTOW is unclear. It's hard to keep track of whose origin story is whose between he, Rocktard, and that guy that used to brag about how many times his female coworkers accused him of sexual harassment.

With a 40% divorce rate in this country, that's hardly a point to judge a person on.

I had no idea so many people from the PC absolutely failed 6th grade biology.

[Parkbandit]

At one point I think he said his wife left him and took his daughter, whether or not that was before or after he became an MRA/MGTOW is unclear. It's hard to keep track of whose origin story is whose between he, Rocktard, and that guy that used to brag about how many times his female coworkers accused him of sexual harassment.

Damn, who used to brag about sexual harassment?

[RichardCranium]

Damn, who used to brag about sexual harassment?

SeanyDigital, probably.

[Parkbandit]

SeanyDigital, probably.

HAH! That was my first guess.. but when he was here, wasn't he not old enough to even have a real job?

[drauz]

At one point I think he said his wife left him and took his daughter, whether or not that was before or after he became an MRA/MGTOW is unclear. It's hard to keep track of whose origin story is whose between he, Rocktard, and that guy that used to brag about how many times his female coworkers accused him of sexual harassment.

He was GS4Pirate, but you are remembering correctly. Wife left him, took daughter, and became MGTOW.

[Gelston]

He was GS4Pirate, but you are remembering correctly. Wife left him, took daughter, and became MGTOW.

He really does sound like one of those women on FB when a man treats them wrong and all men are evil after that.

[Neveragain]

He was GS4Pirate, but you are remembering correctly. Wife left him, took daughter, and became MGTOW.

Isn't it amazing that you have everything wrong?

But please do carry on about my divorce 13 years ago, because that has everything to do with why after 10's of thousands of years women still only make up 2% of our world leaders.

I mean I know I'm a terrible person for pointing out human evolution and why we do the things we do. Nobody is picking the woman first, not even women.

It's science.

[drauz]

He really does sound like one of those women on FB when a man treats them wrong and all men are evil after that.

He's mad that his former wife is leading the family better than he did :lol:

[Neveragain]

He really does sound like one of those women on FB when a man treats them wrong and all men are evil after that.

You named 45 female US presidents yet?

I'll even let you off easy. Name one society in existence that is based on a matriarchy that has any meaningful impact on humanity.

Here's a hint, they are all still living in mud huts.

[Neveragain]

He's mad that his former wife is leading the family better than he did :lol:

Well, at least I didn't kill my children. :shrug:

[Gelston]

You named 45 female US presidents yet?

I'll even let you off easy. Name one society in existence that is based on a matriarchy that has any meaningful impact on humanity.

Here's a hint, they are all still living in mud huts.

There hasn't been 45 male Presidents.

[Keller]

Well, at least I didn't kill my children. :shrug:

You want a cookie?

[Neveragain]

There hasn't been 45 male Presidents.

:eye roll:

2% :lol:

[Neveragain]

You want a cookie?

Oh, I also didn't stalk children on the internet......

[Taernath]

Damn, who used to brag about sexual harassment?

They used to be a regular in the politics folder. Every time something about sexual harassment would come up, they'd mention how they knew sexual harassment claims were bullshit since they had been accused of it multiple times but still kept their job as a manager at IHOP (or something).

Maybe that was Gs4Pirate/Nevergain too, lol

[drauz]

Well, at least I didn't kill my children yet. :shrug:

Ftfy

I fear for your daughters mental health if you have any say in their upbringing.

[Neveragain]

Ftfy

I fear for your daughters mental health if you have any say in their upbringing.

They are terrific, the oldest will get her PA degree next spring, the youngest daughter is happily married, has 1 daughter and is making over 6 figures before reaching 30. Oldest boy is in Texas and managing a new upstart in Austin. The youngest just graduated this year and starting college next fall.

And your child ?......oh wait, you killed it.

[drauz]

They are terrific, the oldest will get her PA degree next spring, the youngest daughter is happily married, has 1 daughter and is making over 6 figures before reaching 30. Oldest boy is in Texas and managing a new upstart in Austin. The youngest just graduated this year and starting college next fall.

And your child ?......oh wait, you killed it.

Glad they got out before you went full MGTOW.

It's funny you think abortion is a dig on someone who thinks it should be legal.

https://media1.tenor.com/images/d9061e33b216bfc0bb0fa3cae94f67e4/tenor.gif?itemid=15832235

[Neveragain]

Glad they got out before you went full MGTOW.

It's funny you think abortion is a dig on someone who thinks it should be legal.

https://media1.tenor.com/images/d9061e33b216bfc0bb0fa3cae94f67e4/tenor.gif?itemid=15832235

What's weird, the oldest was already out on her own and the oldest boy and younger daughter chose to live with dad after the divorce.

But you keep setting your exceptional example of killing your responsibilities and I'll stick to raising doctors and lawyers.

[Alfster]

Big man on the internet's

[drauz]

What's weird, the oldest was already out on her own and the oldest boy and younger daughter chose to live with dad after the divorce.

But you keep setting your exceptional example of killing your responsibilities and I'll stick to raising doctors and lawyers.

I don't hate women...started a MGTOW thread

http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?99400-The-bed-time-story-honest-fathers-should-tell-thei-sons

[Taernath]

I forgot about his obsession with Teuta.

[caelric]

I don't hate women...started a MGTOW thread

http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?99400-The-bed-time-story-honest-fathers-should-tell-thei-sons

That was disturbing...

[Parkbandit]

I forgot about his obsession with Teuta.

Teuta... a female leader...

[Taernath]

Teuta... a female leader...

Yeah but I don't think he counts her based on the arbitrary criteria he was posting earlier. She's just a waifu fantasy for his bAcK wHeN mEn WeRe MeN bullshit.

[Astray]

I don't hate women...started a MGTOW thread

http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?99400-The-bed-time-story-honest-fathers-should-tell-thei-sons

What the fuck?

[Neveragain]

And thus with the non-arguments presented from the deniers of reality, only 2% of the worlds leaders are women.

Because humans reject feminist traits in their leaders.

It's science.

[Parkbandit]

And thus with the non-arguments presented from the deniers of reality, only 2% of the worlds leaders are women.

Because humans reject feminist traits in their leaders.

It's science.

Bro... stop typing...

[Gelston]

And thus with the non-arguments presented from the deniers of reality, only 2% of the worlds leaders are women.

Because humans reject feminist traits in their leaders.

It's science.

Sorry your life was totally destroyed by a woman because you are a weak man. It isn't the fault of all women though.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I don't hate women...started a MGTOW thread

http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?99400-The-bed-time-story-honest-fathers-should-tell-thei-sons

Was that a serious thread? Jesus.

[Alfster]

Sorry your life was totally destroyed by a woman because you are a weak man. It isn't the fault of all women though.

He's clearly the power bottom.

[Neveragain]

Bro... stop typing...

I'm actually enjoying this.

When's the last time you voted for a female president, PB?

I mean I know we have selected a woman to run for president in every election I have participated in.

Remember when the women charged bunker hill?

It was even worse when they started drafting women to go die in Vietnam, those were rough times for women.

[Neveragain]

Sorry your life was totally destroyed by a woman because you are a weak man. It isn't the fault of all women though.

Still can't find those 1st world countries that were founded women?

[Parkbandit]

I'm actually enjoying this.

When's the last time you voted for a female president, PB?

I mean I know we have selected a woman to run for president in every election I have participated in.

Remember when the women charged bunker hill?

It was even worse when they started drafting women to go die in Vietnam, those were rough times for women.

Bro....stop.....typing....

[Neveragain]

James wasn't scared to tell the truth.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rq9OvaJyRc

[drauz]

Was that a serious thread? Jesus.

For him it was, Neveragain used to be GS4Pirate but got super embarrassed and had to change him avatar. It's basically the same reaction he's getting now.

[Alfster]

I refuse to believe it's real simply because...what in the fuck

[Neveragain]

For him it was, Neveragain used to be GS4Pirate but got super embarrassed and had to change him avatar. It's basically the same reaction he's getting now.

You just keep getting things wrong.

Maybe that's why you felt inadequate about raising your child and decided to murder it instead of stepping up to the plate like a man and taking responsibility?

:shrug:

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Maybe I'm out of line but I feel like there is a cry for help here.

[drauz]

You just keep getting things wrong.

Maybe that's why you felt inadequate about raising your child and decided to murder it instead of stepping up to the plate like a man and taking responsibility?

:shrug:

That's funny coming from the guy who literally dreams he never had a wife and kids.

https://i.makeagif.com/media/3-01-2017/0Ek9I3.gif

[Neveragain]

Maybe I'm out of line but I feel like there is a cry for help here.

I'm totally fine and the majority of women still suck at leadership roles. Science, History, women and 98% of the countries in the world agree.

[Stolis]

That story escalated pretty quickily

[drauz]

I'm totally fine and the majority of women still suck at leadership roles. Science, History, women and 98% of the countries in the world agree.

https://i.makeagif.com/media/10-05-2016/EWcAjM.gif

[Neveragain]

the guy who literally dreams he never had a wife and kids.

https://media3.giphy.com/media/fd1TSJqq3b4GI/giphy.gif

I love having kids, they're fucking awesome.

I do dream that my x didn't hide a meth addiction from the family that she was supporting by stealing from the kids savings accounts and bouncing checks all over fucking town. Coming home from work after 2nd shift too all the doors, cabinet doors taken off the hinges and thrown in the back yard. All the screens and storm windows torn off the house...... yea I had, had enough after 17 years of dealing with her mental health issues and so had the kids.

But you wouldn't know about that kind of shit, you just killed your responsibility.

[drauz]

https://media3.giphy.com/media/fd1TSJqq3b4GI/giphy.gif

I love having kids, they're fucking awesome.

I do dream that my x didn't hide a meth addiction from the family that she was supporting by stealing from the kids savings accounts and bouncing checks all over fucking town. Coming home from work after 2nd shift too all the doors, cabinet doors taken off the hinges and thrown in the back yard. All the screens and storm windows torn off the house...... yea I had, had enough after 17 years of dealing with her mental health issues and so had the kids.

But you wouldn't know about that kind of shit, you just killed your responsibility.


Once upon a time a prince asked a princess to marry him, she said, no. The prince lived happily ever after.

And he rode motorcycles and fucked skinny, big titty broads. He hunted and fished whenever the fuck he wanted.

He went to naked bars and dated women half his age. Drank whiskey, beer, captain morgan and snorted cocaine of strippers breasts.

Never heard bitching, never paid child support or alimony and he got blow jobs from cheerleaders

He kept his house, his guns and never got cheated on while he was at work.

All his friends and family thought he was cool as hell.

He had tons of money in the bank and left the toilet seat up.

The End

~MGTOW

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[caelric]

I think SHM is right, this is a cry for help. Does anyone personally know this guy? Can you stage an intervention, and get him some help, some professional help?

[Bhaalizmo]

https://media3.giphy.com/media/fd1TSJqq3b4GI/giphy.gif

I love having kids, they're fucking awesome.

I do dream that my x didn't hide a meth addiction from the family that she was supporting by stealing from the kids savings accounts and bouncing checks all over fucking town. Coming home from work after 2nd shift too all the doors, cabinet doors taken off the hinges and thrown in the back yard. All the screens and storm windows torn off the house...... yea I had, had enough after 17 years of dealing with her mental health issues and so had the kids.

But you wouldn't know about that kind of shit, you just killed your responsibility.

I rarely buy it when someone "hides" a hard drug habit from their partner. I tend to think they both went down that path together till at some point (often the end), their paths diverged. Basically saying that you were probably a meth head too. Just sayin.

[Neveragain]

https://media3.giphy.com/media/11a8FLrVeoLnna/giphy.gif

You do know that those are P. Diddy lyrics........

[Neveragain]

Um..no.

I smoke weed...that's it. I don't even drink.

[Astray]

I rarely buy it when someone "hides" a hard drug habit from their partner. I tend to think they both went down that path together till at some point (often the end), their paths diverged. Basically saying that you were probably a meth head too. Just sayin.

On point.

[drauz]

You do know that those are P. Diddy lyrics........

Lyrics that you have made into a wet dream for yourself.

No ones buying what you're selling, I mean you even signed it MGTOW and with your responses....

[~Rocktar~]

I rarely buy it when someone "hides" a hard drug habit from their partner. I tend to think they both went down that path together till at some point (often the end), their paths diverged. Basically saying that you were probably a meth head too. Just sayin.

Did you just claim you think again? Stop lying, we know you don't think.

[Taernath]

Did you just claim you think again? Stop lying, we know you don't think.

Did that sound funnier in your head?

[Alfster]

Did you just claim you think again? Stop lying, we know you don't think.

Pot meet kettle. I said meet, not eat.

[~Rocktar~]

Pot meet kettle. I said meet, not eat.

Cute underhanded fat joke there. Nice way to be a piece of shit and try and hide it. Too bad for you, I had surgery 5 weeks ago, I am down to 328 from 385. So, as I have said before, I can and am losing weight while you and others apparently can't stop being retarded Leftist shills. Sucks to be you.

[Neveragain]

Lyrics that you have made into a wet dream for yourself.

No ones buying what you're selling, I mean you even signed it MGTOW and with your responses....

And yet, women still only make up 2% of the worlds leaders.

Because they suck at leadership roles, 98% of all the countries agree.

[drauz]

Cute underhanded fat joke there. Nice way to be a piece of shit and try and hide it. Too bad for you, I had surgery 5 weeks ago, I am down to 328 from 385. So, as I have said before, I can and am losing weight while you and others apparently can't stop being retarded Leftist shills. Sucks to be you.

So people are only a piece of shit when they insult YOU, not the other way around. Yeah, that tracks coming from you.

[Taernath]

Cute underhanded fat joke there. Nice way to be a piece of shit and try and hide it. Too bad for you, I had surgery 5 weeks ago, I am down to 328 from 385. So, as I have said before, I can and am losing weight while you and others apparently can't stop being retarded Leftist shills. Sucks to be you.

You know, there's probably a lesson to be learned here, something like, 'those who resemble 400lb bowling balls made of pressed ham shouldn't insult the appearance of others'.

[~Rocktar~]

You know, there's probably a lesson to be learned here, something like, 'those who resemble 400lb bowling balls made of pressed ham shouldn't insult the appearance of others'.

You think being a retarded Leftist shill is some kind of appearance? OH and you think that people can't have an opinion if you don't condone their appearance? Right. Fuck off.

[~Rocktar~]

So people are only a piece of shit when they insult YOU, not the other way around. Yeah, that tracks coming from you.

Whatever dude. Stop being a retarded Leftist shill.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Dude grats on the weight loss. I need to drop a few lbs myself. Fuck the haters.

[~Rocktar~]

Dude grats on the weight loss. I need to drop a few lbs myself. Fuck the haters.

Super simple and pretty easy diet, replace 1 or 2 meals a day with 1 or 2 low cal protein shakes of your choice. I did 2, they combined to be 320 cal total and depending on what you eat, that will make something you can do pretty easy.

[drauz]

Whatever dude. Stop being a retarded Leftist shill.

I wonder if you can even tell me what far leftist positions I have, if any.

[Bhaalizmo]

Did you just claim you think again? Stop lying, we know you don't think.

I think you wish you had something witty to say.

[Back]

Ummmm, no. The strength of humanity is it's adaptability. Stop gobbling Karl Marx dick and get a clue dumbass. I know it's asking a lot and I know you love Socialist/Communist jizz since you regurgitate so much of it, do it for society.

If you consider my comments extreme, that people should come before profits, do you see yours as being extreme the other way? Is it your stance that Darwin's Law is best we can hope for as a species? Do you believe that the free market is the end all be all judge of human activity?

[Alfster]

I wonder if you can even tell me what far leftist positions I have, if any.

It's his default go to when he disagrees with anything. I doubt he even knows what a leftist is. Just something he sees on OANN and reads on the federalist.

[Parkbandit]

If you consider my comments extreme, that people should come before profits, do you see yours as being extreme the other way?

What is the core reason businesses are in business?


Is it your stance that Darwin's Law is best we can hope for as a species?

Darwin's Law doesn't work anymore. You are a prime example of this.


Do you believe that the free market is the end all be all judge of human activity?

Nice strawman there.

Capitalism has taken more people out of poverty than charity and aid. It most certainly has a better record than Socialism.

BUT IF WE JUST DO IT RIGHT THIS TIME, IT MIGHT WORK!

[~Rocktar~]

I think

There you go lying again.

[time4fun]

It's his default go to when he disagrees with anything. I doubt he even knows what a leftist is. Just something he sees on OANN and reads on the federalist.

Anyone who uses the term "leftists" is so steeped in hyper conservative propaganda that they've lost the ability to question things like this. They've lost the ability to see the "other side" as human.

Though Tgo tends to win the "who is most likely to become the next unabomber" award from people, he's not.

Rockstar is. He's successfully dehumanized anyone on the left and genuinely sees himself as a white knight (pun intended) out to destroy the liberal forces of darkness on their rampage of mass murders, pedophilia, and government enslavement.

It's also why he's incapable of seeing Trump for who he really is.

[drauz]

Rockstar is. He's successfully dehumanized anyone on the left and genuinely sees himself as a white knight (pun intended) out to destroy the liberal forces of darkness on their rampage of mass murders, pedophilia, and government enslavement.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wikl6tJEPh0

[time4fun]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wikl6tJEPh0

I love Cyanide and Happiness!

[~Rocktar~]

If you consider my comments extreme, that people should come before profits, do you see yours as being extreme the other way? Is it your stance that Darwin's Law is best we can hope for as a species? Do you believe that the free market is the end all be all judge of human activity?

So, since you embrace Socialism and the Left, you don't really think people should come first. You claim you do, but the reality is, you don't. In every case, Socialism proves that the Socialist system does not value people, it is designed to place the people last behind the system to the point of sacrificing all individuality, creativity and personal development on the alter of "the collective". So in the end, Socialism must, by it's nature, be totalitarian in implementation and because of that supporters of such things clearly don't think people should come first.

Capitalism on the other hand lifts up the individual, allowing them to make the most of their talents, abilities and drive. A free market allows a person to create wealth out of thin air by application of an idea to solve the problems of others. It is the most humane and just system there is because the individual is not restricted based on some arbitrary limit placed by another's ability, jealousy or envy. The main point that all you Leftists out there miss is that Capitalism at it's base is built on service to others. You can't sell anything to anyone that does not want it. The free exchange of goods and services has lifted more people out of poverty world wide than anything else and continues to do so. That is much more compassionate than a system that requires totalitarianism and theft from the productive to support the unwilling and to say otherwise is simply ignorance or willful deception based on envy and jealousy.

So, I reject your first premise completely and have explained why. As to the rest, despite what you think, even with social programs and so called support systems, Darwin's Law applies, the conditions are changed and those who adapt to make use of those conditions prosper and those who don't die. For example, the multi-generational welfare families and inner cities.

I believe the free market is the most just, most fair and most compassionate form of economy there is. Every other system is demonstrably worse. The caveat is that it needs to be a free market and the same rules/restrictions must apply to all equally and openly, this is where the problem comes in with government and other forms of interfearance.

I believe the final judge of everything is Divine providence and survival.

[drauz]

So, since you embrace Socialism and the Left, you don't really think people should come first. You claim you do, but the reality is, you don't. In every case, Socialism proves that the Socialist system does not value people, it is designed to place the people last behind the system to the point of sacrificing all individuality, creativity and personal development on the alter of "the collective". So in the end, Socialism must, by it's nature, be totalitarian in implementation and because of that supporters of such things clearly don't think people should come first.

Capitalism on the other hand lifts up the individual, allowing them to make the most of their talents, abilities and drive. A free market allows a person to create wealth out of thin air by application of an idea to solve the problems of others. It is the most humane and just system there is because the individual is not restricted based on some arbitrary limit placed by another's ability, jealousy or envy. The main point that all you Leftists out there miss is that Capitalism at it's base is built on service to others. You can't sell anything to anyone that does not want it. The free exchange of goods and services has lifted more people out of poverty world wide than anything else and continues to do so. That is much more compassionate than a system that requires totalitarianism and theft from the productive to support the unwilling and to say otherwise is simply ignorance or willful deception based on envy and jealousy.

So, I reject your first premise completely and have explained why. As to the rest, despite what you think, even with social programs and so called support systems, Darwin's Law applies, the conditions are changed and those who adapt to make use of those conditions prosper and those who don't die. For example, the multi-generational welfare families and inner cities.

I believe the free market is the most just, most fair and most compassionate form of economy there is. Every other system is demonstrably worse. The caveat is that it needs to be a free market and the same rules/restrictions must apply to all equally and openly, this is where the problem comes in with government and other forms of interfearance.

I believe the final judge of everything is Divine providence and survival.

Just like unchecked socialism is bad, unchecked capitalism can be just as bad. People are inherently greedy and will hurt those around them and even the land they live in to make more money. The answer isn't one or the other its a balance between the two.

[~Rocktar~]

Anyone who uses the term "leftists" is so steeped in hyper conservative propaganda that they've lost the ability to question things like this. They've lost the ability to see the "other side" as human.

Though Tgo tends to win the "who is most likely to become the next unabomber" award from people, he's not.

Rockstar is. He's successfully dehumanized anyone on the left and genuinely sees himself as a white knight (pun intended) out to destroy the liberal forces of darkness on their rampage of mass murders, pedophilia, and government enslavement.

It's also why he's incapable of seeing Trump for who he really is.

The Left and Leftists, such as yourself have done all the dehumanizing. Your leaders are the ones out there calling Conservatives "Deplorable", "Chumps" etc. You are the ones with people ranting on TV and social media wholesale about how Conservatives need to be silenced, prosecuted, killed and so on. For every militia whacko calling for extremist violence you can find dozens if not hundreds of Leftist whackos calling for the same or worse. Your leaders are the ones threatening violence if people don't vote your way and they don't win the election. It's the Left that has fostered riots, arson, looting and murder without abatement in the lead up to this election and you and your leaders have given tacit approval with your lie of "mostly peaceful". Your the ones who push a violent, racist, sexist and divisive agenda of hate and you are too blinded to see how you go along with this because your deeply corrupt and biased media has told you that it's all to assuage your little feelings so it's ok.

And it speaks volumes that you and other Leftist seek to cover up things serial sexual predators, apologize for and support mass murder of the unborn, condone the sexualization of children and continue to condone the ongoing violence across this country for your own political goals. And yet, somehow, I am bad for not supporting this. Right.

[~Rocktar~]

Just like unchecked socialism is bad, unchecked capitalism can be just as bad. People are inherently greedy and will hurt those around them and even the land they live in to make more money. The answer isn't one or the other its a balance between the two.

Ummm no.

[Alfster]

So, since you embrace Socialism and the Left, you don't really think people should come first. You claim you do, but the reality is, you don't. In every case, Socialism proves that the Socialist system does not value people, it is designed to place the people last behind the system to the point of sacrificing all individuality, creativity and personal development on the alter of "the collective". So in the end, Socialism must, by it's nature, be totalitarian in implementation and because of that supporters of such things clearly don't think people should come first.

Capitalism on the other hand lifts up the individual, allowing them to make the most of their talents, abilities and drive. A free market allows a person to create wealth out of thin air by application of an idea to solve the problems of others. It is the most humane and just system there is because the individual is not restricted based on some arbitrary limit placed by another's ability, jealousy or envy. The main point that all you Leftists out there miss is that Capitalism at it's base is built on service to others. You can't sell anything to anyone that does not want it. The free exchange of goods and services has lifted more people out of poverty world wide than anything else and continues to do so. That is much more compassionate than a system that requires totalitarianism and theft from the productive to support the unwilling and to say otherwise is simply ignorance or willful deception based on envy and jealousy.

So, I reject your first premise completely and have explained why. As to the rest, despite what you think, even with social programs and so called support systems, Darwin's Law applies, the conditions are changed and those who adapt to make use of those conditions prosper and those who don't die. For example, the multi-generational welfare families and inner cities.

I believe the free market is the most just, most fair and most compassionate form of economy there is. Every other system is demonstrably worse. The caveat is that it needs to be a free market and the same rules/restrictions must apply to all equally and openly, this is where the problem comes in with government and other forms of interfearance.

I believe the final judge of everything is Divine providence and survival.

So you're obviously against socialism. Why do you support a president who has increased socialism in our country? Farm bailouts, covid bailouts and beyond.

You're either for socialism or against it, irregardless of what causes a need for someone. So why aren't we letting the free market run especially in the agriculture space? We created a problem by lack of demand overseas, then spend 28 billion to bailout the farmers. Wouldn't capitalism say fuck the farmers and create something worth creating?

[drauz]

Ummm no.

Oh ok, can't argue with that.

[~Rocktar~]

So you're obviously against socialism. Why do you support a president who has increased socialism in our country? Farm bailouts, covid bailouts and beyond.

You're either for socialism or against it, irregardless of what causes a need for someone. So why aren't we letting the free market run especially in the agriculture space? We created a problem by lack of demand overseas, then spend 28 billion to bailout the farmers. Wouldn't capitalism say fuck the farmers and create something worth creating?

Because no one is perfect and as many have stated, lesser of two evils.

[Alfster]

Because no one is perfect and as many have stated, lesser of two evils.

So you're for socialism. Got it

[time4fun]

So, since you embrace Socialism and the Left, you don't really think people should come first. You claim you do, but the reality is, you don't. In every case, Socialism proves that the Socialist system does not value people, it is designed to place the people last behind the system to the point of sacrificing all individuality, creativity and personal development on the alter of "the collective". So in the end, Socialism must, by it's nature, be totalitarian in implementation and because of that supporters of such things clearly don't think people should come first.

Capitalism on the other hand lifts up the individual, allowing them to make the most of their talents, abilities and drive. A free market allows a person to create wealth out of thin air by application of an idea to solve the problems of others. It is the most humane and just system there is because the individual is not restricted based on some arbitrary limit placed by another's ability, jealousy or envy. The main point that all you Leftists out there miss is that Capitalism at it's base is built on service to others. You can't sell anything to anyone that does not want it. The free exchange of goods and services has lifted more people out of poverty world wide than anything else and continues to do so. That is much more compassionate than a system that requires totalitarianism and theft from the productive to support the unwilling and to say otherwise is simply ignorance or willful deception based on envy and jealousy.

So, I reject your first premise completely and have explained why. As to the rest, despite what you think, even with social programs and so called support systems, Darwin's Law applies, the conditions are changed and those who adapt to make use of those conditions prosper and those who don't die. For example, the multi-generational welfare families and inner cities.

I believe the free market is the most just, most fair and most compassionate form of economy there is. Every other system is demonstrably worse. The caveat is that it needs to be a free market and the same rules/restrictions must apply to all equally and openly, this is where the problem comes in with government and other forms of interfearance.

I believe the final judge of everything is Divine providence and survival.

Oh for the love of-

Darwin's theories do not have economic applications. They are not intended to have economic applications.
Abandoning social programs is not "compassionate"
You do not now, nor have you ever lived in a country with completely free markets
Social programs are not socialism for the same reason that Carbs are not Carbonators Just because two words sound similar doesn't mean that they are the same thing. Or even related.

And as for your "lifting people up" garbage: The United States has the fourth highest poverty rate of any OECD country. Nearly 1 in 5 Americans lives in poverty and 1 in 5 American children live in poverty. Mexicio has a lower poverty rate than we do. You know where we're #1? Incarceration rate. Our incarceration rate is so bad that it's higher (per capita) than #7, 8, 9, and 10 combined. More than twice than that of the Ukraine- which is #3.

Those Social Democracies that you rant and rave about? They're running circles around us on virtually every major quality of life index.

And by the way, you're a terrible Christian who has completely disregarded the fact that Jesus repeatedly and routinely instructed us to treat immigrants as though they were Jesus Himself. And He repeatedly instructed us to show kindness and to share what we have with others. NOTHING you stand for comes even close to that. And PS He had absolutely nothing to say about abortion. Not a single word. That's not His priority- that's yours.

[Parkbandit]

Just like unchecked socialism is bad, unchecked capitalism can be just as bad. People are inherently greedy and will hurt those around them and even the land they live in to make more money. The answer isn't one or the other its a balance between the two.

Humans are inherently lazy as well.. which is why Socialism fails so hard.

You need to have a motivation factor in an economic system.. which is why Capitalism has been so successful: Greed. The more you work, the more money you get.

What is the motivational factor in socialism?

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

What is the motivational factor in socialism?

Not doing anything and then getting stuff other people worked for, for free?

[caelric]

Not doing anything and then getting stuff other people worked for, for free?

Free stuff for you! And free stuff for you!

but no free stuff for you, you're a white male, get back to work!

[drauz]

Humans are inherently lazy as well.. which is why Socialism fails so hard.

You need to have a motivation factor in an economic system.. which is why Capitalism has been so successful: Greed. The more you work, the more money you get.

What is the motivational factor in socialism?

I'm saying there needs to be a balance between the two. Capitalism and socialism, when both are taken to the extreme you will get big problems. I think our system favors capitalism a little to heavily, to our detriment. I don't have the solution but I am open to ideas.

[Methais]

Its literally people vs profits.

Shutting down the economy vs saving lives.

Those with excess can weather the plague just fine leaving those who are in need out to die. If you have problems its no one else's fault but your own. No reason to shut down the economy if you have enough to get by. If a few million die maybe that will free up even more wealth for the top 1%.

The problem with all of that reasoning is that the strength of humanity is in its collective. We lift up those who need help so that we are all stronger. Some problems are not people's fault. Some are unlucky, some wind up in very difficult situations through no fault of their own, and some are preyed upon by others of ill-intent.

This pandemic is teaching us a few things about ourselves. We better learn.

Oh, and...

9660
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Shut up you emotional gaylord. I'm looking forward to your meltdowns next week.

[caelric]

I'm looking forward to your meltdowns next week.

What I really hope is that all the people who claim they will flee the US to Canada if Trump gets re-elected actually follow through on their promises this time, unlike all the broken promises from last time.

[time4fun]

TL;DR Socialism and Social Programs are unrelated concepts. Capitalism and Free Markets are unrelated concepts. Socialism and Free Markets are somewhat related. People are confusing these terms.

Okay let's just set the record straight on a few things folks.

There is no such thing as a purely capitalist or purely socialist economic system. They're theoretical ideas, not lived experiences. I think we all largely understand that (except Rockstar apparently)

But these words don't mean what people seem to think they mean:

Capitalism* is an economic system where privately owned businesses employ workers to produce goods or services for them that are legally owned by the business owners and NOT the workers themselves. That's the whole famous "alienation of labor" concept. You work 9-5 for some company, and they pay you, but you don't own a single thing you produce for them during those hours. That's what capitalism is. And that's all that Capitalism is.

Socialism* is an economic system where the means of production are controlled by the government and generally where private businesses are collectively owned. Usually that means by the workers. Sometimes it means by the community (though that starts heading a bit more into Communist territory). That's it. That's all it is.


Now here's a friendly FAQ for folks (I'm looking at you Tgo and Rockstar):

Q: Are social welfare programs socialist?
A:There is nothing inherently socialist about social welfare policies. The two words "Social" and "Socialism" sound similar, but they're not related. At all. You can- and do- have social welfare policies in both Capitalist and Socialist countries because that's a required part of responsible governance. They may go about some of those policies differently, but a lot of the time they go about them more or less the same way.

In fact, government subsidies to privately held farms, for example, are actually the oppositeof socialism. Granting universal healthcare largely through a network of privately/not collectively owned health insurance companies is also the opposite of socialism. In a socialist country, there would be no private ownership of farms, and all medical centers would either be owned by the government or collectively owned.

Q: Are Free Markets Capitalist?
A: This is where people are getting themselves in trouble. First, free markets are a myth. No one on this forum has ever lived in a free market. A free market is unrestricted competition by private companies setting prices. There's a reason why this doesn't exist in the real world. The "Invisible Hand" does not always guide things well.

As far as a free market's relationship to Capitalism, it's not a 1:1. Capitalism does *not* mean you have a free market. Governments can impose policies that impact prices no matter what economic system you're in. Now, if the Government owns all of the means of production, then it's not an entirely free market. But Socialism allows for collectively owned "private" businesses who handle distribution of goods, and you can have a free market approach to price setting there.


Than you for coming to my Ted Talk.


*These are actually diverse sets of economic systems that have a few common cores in common. Mileage varies a bit depending on time and space.

[~Rocktar~]

So you're for socialism. Got it

Way to make a straw man and false equivalence to feed your confirmation bias.

[~Rocktar~]

Oh for the love of-

Darwin's theories do not have economic applications. They are not intended to have economic applications.
Abandoning social programs is not "compassionate"
You do not now, nor have you ever lived in a country with completely free markets
Social programs are not socialism for the same reason that Carbs are not Carbonators Just because two words sound similar doesn't mean that they are the same thing. Or even related.

And as for your "lifting people up" garbage: The United States has the fourth highest poverty rate of any OECD country. Nearly 1 in 5 Americans lives in poverty and 1 in 5 American children live in poverty. Mexicio has a lower poverty rate than we do. You know where we're #1? Incarceration rate. Our incarceration rate is so bad that it's higher (per capita) than #7, 8, 9, and 10 combined. More than twice than that of the Ukraine- which is #3.

Those Social Democracies that you rant and rave about? They're running circles around us on virtually every major quality of life index.

And by the way, you're a terrible Christian who has completely disregarded the fact that Jesus repeatedly and routinely instructed us to treat immigrants as though they were Jesus Himself. And He repeatedly instructed us to show kindness and to share what we have with others. NOTHING you stand for comes even close to that. And PS He had absolutely nothing to say about abortion. Not a single word. That's not His priority- that's yours.

Ok fucknugget, your post is simply too full of shit to address and I have addressed it over and over before and you keep at it.

Also, since you have missed it the ridiculous number of times I have said it. I am NOT Christian. I AM, however, much more versed on the bible and Christianity than most people and there is clearly a commandment that says "Thou Shall Not Kill" and one that says "Thou Shall Not Covet" along with "Thou Shall Not Steal" and "Thou Shall Not Lie" and you Leftist break all of them all the time. And yes, Abortion is murder, especially late term abortion.

Now fuck off.

[Blazar]

Not doing anything and then getting stuff other people worked for, for free?

Or maybe you know, doing the right thing and building up everyone collectively, as opposed to just looking out for yourself? Just because we are that way now, doesn't mean we always have to be. This where "OK, Boomer" comes from... if you can't picture a world where people changed and cared more about the collective good, you are probably the subject of the saying. Imagine if everyone had food, health care, and their other basic needs met? Can you imagine how much less crime there would be if that were the case?

I tend to agree with Drauz that a hybrid model is needed. There are pros and cons to both systems, and it doesn't have to necessarily be one verses the other. In fact, as has been pointed out, we already have plenty of socialist programs in our capitalist society, and bending that balance a little more to ensure basic human needs are met for everyone is not a bad thing, while preserving the motivational factor for excess. Sure, having basic needs met is good, but personally I'd still work because I want more.

Do you all not think the concepts of The Federation in Star trek are a good thing? Would you think it was good if the world actually worked that way, in unison or harmony, without the need for money?

[~Rocktar~]

TL;DR


Socialism* is an economic system where the means of production are controlled by the government and generally where private businesses are collectively owned. Usually that means by the workers. Sometimes it means by the community (though that starts heading a bit more into Communist territory). That's it. That's all it is.



So NOW when it suits you, you agree with the definition of Socialism. Gotcha. Very typical of the Left.

[Alfster]

Way to make a straw man and false equivalence to feed your confirmation bias.

Haha. False equivalency of you supporting policies that are textbook definitions of socialism.

While crying that if you don't vote for this guy that implements socialistic policies you're voting for socialism .

Get a check on reality man. It's like how you scream and scream about fake news...then link fucking opinion articles. Too stupid to sniff out fake news or socialism.

[caelric]

Can you imagine how much less crime there would be if that were the case?



Probably more crime, because there will always be people that want more than they have, and if their basic needs are provided for, they will have more idle time in which to commit said crimes.

[drauz]

So NOW when it suits you, you agree with the definition of Socialism. Gotcha. Very typical of the Left.

She has said that exact thing and very recently... Sticking your fingers and your ears and only listening when it suits you, very typical of the Right.


Socialism as a political concept is sort of a massive range, but generally it means that the government owns the means of production (i.e. the government owns all of the steel mills, the government owns all of factories, etc), and typically the private companies that do exist are collectively owned by the employees.

[Methais]

Honestly, I have no idea why he even stays in this country. I get that he's lazy, dumb and poor.. but fuck.. all you have to do is go to Canada and you would have more socialism.

He's also a very scared little pussy though.

[Parkbandit]

I'm saying there needs to be a balance between the two. Capitalism and socialism, when both are taken to the extreme you will get big problems. I think our system favors capitalism a little to heavily, to our detriment. I don't have the solution but I am open to ideas.

Problem is: What is the motivation for socialism? You saw in the "New Green Deal" when it was originally put out that the Government should give money to those who are unable or UNWILLING to work.

If you can sit at home and collect just because you are unwilling to work.. what will motivate others to not only provide for themselves.. but to provide for those who simply don't want to work?

[Parkbandit]

Do you all not think the concepts of The Federation in Star trek are a good thing? Would you think it was good if the world actually worked that way, in unison or harmony, without the need for money?

"BUT SOCIALISM WERKS IN STAR TREK BECAUSE I WATCHED IT!"

That's literally make believe and has no basis in actual debates of socialism vs. capitalism.

Unless you believe some people will just want to scrub jeffries tubes on star ships because they can...

[drauz]

Problem is: What is the motivation for socialism? You saw in the "New Green Deal" when it was originally put out that the Government should give money to those who are unable or UNWILLING to work.

If you can sit at home and collect just because you are unwilling to work.. what will motivate others to not only provide for themselves.. but to provide for those who simply don't want to work?

I think some services are essential and the government should provide them from the taxes collected. I think healthcare is one of the big ones, but I don't know the best way to go about it. I don't think the defense budget should be as big as it is, I also realize even if you took it to zero it wouldn't cover universal healthcare. It would be tough choices to get the money for it no matter what plan is chosen, but I'm willing to listen to ideas on how to achieve it.

New Green Deal would be to far to the socialist side for me. I don't want UBI, costs for everything would just rise in response.

[Methais]

I'm curious, did you come up with your name because you're as slow as a rock rolling through tar? Rocks aren't delusional so that can't be it....

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[Back]

So, since you embrace Socialism and the Left, you don't really think people should come first. You claim you do, but the reality is, you don't.

Let me be clear. I believe people come before profits. Your judgement on why you think I think that, or if you believe what I think does not achieve the goals I state that I want, is just that. My motive is the prosperity of humanity well into the future.

Understand that this does not mean I don't believe in profits or that there can only be one or the other. But when decisions about society need to be made I think those decision should always fall on the side of what benefits the people at the expense of capital every single time.


In every case, Socialism proves that the Socialist system does not value people, it is designed to place the people last behind the system to the point of sacrificing all individuality, creativity and personal development on the alter of "the collective". So in the end, Socialism must, by it's nature, be totalitarian in implementation and because of that supporters of such things clearly don't think people should come first.

You suggest that the idea of socialism is actually a method of controlling people rather than a means to benefit society grow collectively. Certainly any government supported by any economic policy can be used to control people. I do not feel socialism as an economic policy is designed that way and instead is exactly what it states it is on it face: a more fair economic policy that benefits the community.

I disagree that the individual in a socialist economy must sacrifice identity, creativity, or personal development. I really don't see how that even makes it into your conversation. Can you be more specific? How does socialism deny the individual identity?

I disagree that socialism must be totalitarian. It most certainly can be democratic if the majority wants it.

If you are arguing for the individual to have a choice on whether or not they want to participate in a socialist economy I would argue that they should but not at the expense of anyone else or at the expense of the common goal. If people want to live away from urban centers, live off the grid, not pay taxes through self-generated income, I would say sure, if they don't get in the way of what everyone else wants to do.

Socialism does not have to be totalitarian, it does not need the individual to sacrifice their identity, and it can be accomplished without everyone having to participate.


Capitalism on the other hand lifts up the individual, allowing them to make the most of their talents, abilities and drive. A free market allows a person to create wealth out of thin air by application of an idea to solve the problems of others. It is the most humane and just system there is because the individual is not restricted based on some arbitrary limit placed by another's ability, jealousy or envy. The main point that all you Leftists out there miss is that Capitalism at it's base is built on service to others. You can't sell anything to anyone that does not want it. The free exchange of goods and services has lifted more people out of poverty world wide than anything else and continues to do so. That is much more compassionate than a system that requires totalitarianism and theft from the productive to support the unwilling and to say otherwise is simply ignorance or willful deception based on envy and jealousy.

Capitalism is nothing more than an economic system that states that economy is private. This is a system that favors the few. It is a system that has no regard for what is humane or just. Regulation does that. Otherwise capitalism favors the win above all else. For example, selling something someone needs to get well is not anywhere close to being humane or just.

While someone can come up with an idea out of thin air, and it may be an idea that helps people, it takes natural resources and the cooperation of others to make it happen. It also takes society to provide an environment in which to do it, and people to support it through employment and consumption. Capitalism converts resources into wealth for the few.

You are right that capitalism does help with poverty but very unequally and only through regulations. If there were no unions or laws capitalism would most definitely restrict wages and benefits. Pure capitalism has no room for compassion.

Socialism isn't about giving everyone Bently's and condos in NY. Its about basic human needs. You say theft but I see it as responsibility not based on envy or jealousy but rather compassion and humanity. Seeing that no one in this world goes hungry is something we could accomplish. Why do you suppose we have not? What would stop us? Who could possible argue that people in this world going hungry is just and humane?


So, I reject your first premise completely and have explained why. As to the rest, despite what you think, even with social programs and so called support systems, Darwin's Law applies, the conditions are changed and those who adapt to make use of those conditions prosper and those who don't die. For example, the multi-generational welfare families and inner cities.

Darwin's Law is a general philosophy about how life evolves. Its not a method of economics or governing. Human survival is about community. I know you want to think its adaptability, but I say all life is adaptable and thats what makes life in general successful, but specifically humans rely on cooperation to not just survive but advance. We share the environment thus need to be mindful of each other and lift each other up for the good of all. We don't let our own families suffer in the cold and that is why we are where we are today. Armstrong did not land on the moon by himself.


I believe the free market is the most just, most fair and most compassionate form of economy there is. Every other system is demonstrably worse. The caveat is that it needs to be a free market and the same rules/restrictions must apply to all equally and openly, this is where the problem comes in with government and other forms of interfearance.

A pure free market is no more just, fair, or compassionate than nature. Humans are. Socialism is the more compassionate way.


I believe the final judge of everything is Divine providence and survival.

I don't know what the final judge is but I do know our survival relies our collective effort.

[Parkbandit]

I think some services are essential and the government should provide them from the taxes collected. I think healthcare is one of the big ones, but I don't know the best way to go about it. I don't think the defense budget should be as big as it is, I also realize even if you took it to zero it wouldn't cover universal healthcare. It would be tough choices to get the money for it no matter what plan is chosen, but I'm willing to listen to ideas on how to achieve it.

Problem is: When healthcare is rationed with "universal healthcare", it becomes bad. There is no motivation for innovation or research.. it's all about getting people in and out as fast and as cheaply as possible.

I do agree that defense needs to be trimmed down.. but right now we basically protect the free world, while those countries can then spend their money on other things (like healthcare). Getting these countries to pick up "OMG THEIR FAIR SHARE" would be awesome.


New Green Deal would be to far to the socialist side for me. I don't want UBI, costs for everything would just rise in response.

You better watch it or your Democrat Voting Card will be revoked. Get back in line.

[~Rocktar~]

She has said that exact thing and very recently... Sticking your fingers and your ears and only listening when it suits you, very typical of the Right.

Except she has a long history of applying the definition only when it suits her so sorry, she is as flip floppity on it as a mackerel on the deck of an iced over fishing trawler. She has far more instances of trying to justify her position saying it isn't Socialism by ignoring the definition so her occasional use of the definition is immaterial in her defense.

[Parkbandit]

Let me be clear. I believe people come before profits. Your judgement on why you think I think that, or if you believe what I think does not achieve the goals I state that I want, is just that. My motive is the prosperity of humanity well into the future.

Understand that this does not mean I don't believe in profits or that there can only be one or the other. But when decisions about society need to be made I think those decision should always fall on the side of what benefits the people at the expense of capital every single time.



You suggest that the idea of socialism is actually a method of controlling people rather than a means to benefit society grow collectively. Certainly any government supported by any economic policy can be used to control people. I do not feel socialism as an economic policy is designed that way and instead is exactly what it states it is on it face: a more fair economic policy that benefits the community.

I disagree that the individual in a socialist economy must sacrifice identity, creativity, or personal development. I really don't see how that even makes it into your conversation. Can you be more specific? How does socialism deny the individual identity?

I disagree that socialism must be totalitarian. It most certainly can be democratic if the majority wants it.

If you are arguing for the individual to have a choice on whether or not they want to participate in a socialist economy I would argue that they should but not at the expense of anyone else or at the expense of the common goal. If people want to live away from urban centers, live off the grid, not pay taxes through self-generated income, I would say sure, if they don't get in the way of what everyone else wants to do.

Socialism does not have to be totalitarian, it does not need the individual to sacrifice their identity, and it can be accomplished without everyone having to participate.



Capitalism is nothing more than an economic system that states that economy is private. This is a system that favors the few. It is a system that has no regard for what is humane or just. Regulation does that. Otherwise capitalism favors the win above all else. For example, selling something someone needs to get well is not anywhere close to being humane or just.

While someone can come up with an idea out of thin air, and it may be an idea that helps people, it takes natural resources and the cooperation of others to make it happen. It also takes society to provide an environment in which to do it, and people to support it through employment and consumption. Capitalism converts resources into wealth for the few.

You are right that capitalism does help with poverty but very unequally and only through regulations. If there were no unions or laws capitalism would most definitely restrict wages and benefits. Pure capitalism has no room for compassion.

Socialism isn't about giving everyone Bently's and condos in NY. Its about basic human needs. You say theft but I see it as responsibility not based on envy or jealousy but rather compassion and humanity. Seeing that no one in this world goes hungry is something we could accomplish. Why do you suppose we have not? What would stop us? Who could possible argue that people in this world going hungry is just and humane?



Darwin's Law is a general philosophy about how life evolves. Its not a method of economics or governing. Human survival is about community. I know you want to think its adaptability, but I say all life is adaptable and thats what makes life in general successful, but specifically humans rely on cooperation to not just survive but advance. We share the environment thus need to be mindful of each other and lift each other up for the good of all. We don't let our own families suffer in the cold and that is why we are where we are today. Armstrong did not land on the moon by himself.



A pure free market is no more just, fair, or compassionate than nature. Humans are. Socialism is the more compassionate way.



I don't know what the final judge is but I do know our survival relies our collective effort.

I just wanted to quote this before it's gone... I don't quite have the stomach to read it right now though, but didn't want it to disappear.

[~Rocktar~]

I think some services are essential and the government should provide them from the taxes collected.

Why do you think it is ok to have the government take over 1/6th of the entire economy, control production and distribution of healthcare and enslave the people and medical profession to support that?

[Methais]

Have you ever seen legitimate information or research posted by the Dreaven/Rocktard crew? This group vets nothing and props up every piece of disinformation they can find on Twitter as fact.

Says the guy who said Congress has term limits just the other day.

Stop being a dumbass. Dumbass.

[Methais]

I mean both sides have a robust history of affairs and glad-handing. Maybe she will sleep her way into some sweet trade deals.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6t5gEyQUR8

[Methais]

LOL at the right-wing nuts here trying to make Kamala Harris out to be a corrupt slut. If she were a man in Florida, you'd say she was "tough on crime." If that's the best argument you've got in this election, get some ice ready to soothe that burned ass when Biden spanks Trump.

Also, if this is how you look at powerful women, you deserve to have a total bitch for a boss who grinds you into the dirt each day. The misogyny here is exhausting.

Yeah, because doing things like withholding evidence that would have gotten an innocent person off of death row, etc. is totally being "tough on crime."

Confirmed BriarFox wants to lock up all black people. Racist.

Reported to Backlash. Better watch your six, Backlash doesn't fuck around and is a force to be reckoned with.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

If you are arguing for the individual to have a choice on whether or not they want to participate in a socialist economy I would argue that they should but not at the expense of anyone else or at the expense of the common goal. If people want to live away from urban centers, live off the grid, not pay taxes through self-generated income, I would say sure, if they don't get in the way of what everyone else wants to do.

Socialism does not have to be totalitarian

LULZ. Backrash can't even write three sentences without contradicting himself.

[~Rocktar~]

Let me be clear. I believe people come before profits. Your judgement on why you think I think that, or if you believe what I think does not achieve the goals I state that I want, is just that. My motive is the prosperity of humanity well into the future.

Understand that this does not mean I don't believe in profits or that there can only be one or the other. But when decisions about society need to be made I think those decision should always fall on the side of what benefits the people at the expense of capital every single time.

Except the fact is, the positions, politicians and ideology you support along with your statements over the years suggest that you are lying because they do not support people before the system. They say they do but the system they espouse does not. Socialism does not, in any way, assure anyone but the very highest of the leadership, prosperity, for the rest it assures misery, poverty and death, none of which is at the benefit of “the people at the expense of capital”.


You suggest that the idea of socialism is actually a method of controlling people rather than a means to benefit society grow collectively. Certainly any government supported by any economic policy can be used to control people. I do not feel socialism as an economic policy is designed that way and instead is exactly what it states it is on it face: a more fair economic policy that benefits the community.

No bonehead, I suggest that Socialism leads to totalitarianism in every case known to man. Sooner or later the economic system and philosophy must, by it’s nature, lead to government control, force to take what it deems needed and violence to quell disagreement. Period. No one cares what you feel, the facts are different and that is the problem. There is no more fair economic policy than capitalism, period.


I disagree that the individual in a socialist economy must sacrifice identity, creativity, or personal development. I really don't see how that even makes it into your conversation. Can you be more specific? How does socialism deny the individual identity?

Gods, do you read history books? How many people were sent to the camps in Germany? Over 11 million and yes, Germany preWWII was a Socialist economy. How many dissidents went to the gulag in the USSR, conservative guesses are 20 million. How many were killed in the purges in China under Mao? Again, conservative estimates are around 50 million. Two million under Pol Pot in Cambodia, a million in Armenia and Rowanda all because totalitarian Socialist/Communist governments can’t stand dissent. How many artists in the USSR were silenced, how many were only published after they escaped? Take a history class. When the people are considered property of the state, which is a final outcome of Socialism and the totalitarianism that comes from it, then the individual becomes meaningless and has no rights. This is all well documented and described in countless books and movies but all you Leftist shills continue to excuse it by “That’s not real Socialism”. It is the real Socialism and it is what will happen to every country and economy that goes down that path. You and the Left are supremely arrogant to think that somehow you know better and things will turn out differently because you are somehow smarter and wiser than all the others that have tried this shit.


I disagree that socialism must be totalitarian. It most certainly can be democratic if the majority wants it.
You can disagree all you want, you are wrong. And just because the majority wants it doesn’t make it moral, ethical or right. The majority voted for Hitler as well as the Bolshivick revolution and Mao. If the majority voted to murder you just because you exist, would that make it right? No. Same principle stands.


If you are arguing for the individual to have a choice on whether or not they want to participate in a socialist economy I would argue that they should but not at the expense of anyone else or at the expense of the common goal. If people want to live away from urban centers, live off the grid, not pay taxes through self-generated income, I would say sure, if they don't get in the way of what everyone else wants to do.

I bolded the parts that simply negates everything you said and is you arguing that people should have no choice and be forced to do what the state says. This is you agreeing with and supporting totalitarianism. Period. You are deluded to think otherwise.


Socialism does not have to be totalitarian, it does not need the individual to sacrifice their identity, and it can be accomplished without everyone having to participate.
History says you are wrong in every case known to man.


Capitalism is nothing more than an economic system that states that economy is private. This is a system that favors the few. It is a system that has no regard for what is humane or just. Regulation does that. Otherwise capitalism favors the win above all else. For example, selling something someone needs to get well is not anywhere close to being humane or just.

Everything you said here is completely and totally wrong. Please read a book.


While someone can come up with an idea out of thin air, and it may be an idea that helps people, it takes natural resources and the cooperation of others to make it happen. It also takes society to provide an environment in which to do it, and people to support it through employment and consumption. Capitalism converts resources into wealth for the few.
Wrong again.


You are right that capitalism does help with poverty but very unequally and only through regulations. If there were no unions or laws capitalism would most definitely restrict wages and benefits. Pure capitalism has no room for compassion.
Wrong again.


Socialism isn't about giving everyone Bently's and condos in NY. Its about basic human needs. You say theft but I see it as responsibility not based on envy or jealousy but rather compassion and humanity. Seeing that no one in this world goes hungry is something we could accomplish. Why do you suppose we have not? What would stop us? Who could possible argue that people in this world going hungry is just and humane?
When you look at what others have and you want it and you are unwilling to do what is necessary to obtain it, you want to take from other to give it to you, then it is theft and the epitome of envy, jealousy and covetousness. Every welfare program on the planet is done this way because everything that has been provided above food, clothing and shelter is not a need. Before welfare, people provided for the poor far better than are provided now, and they paid less taxes so they could afford to be more generous. If people are unwilling to do what is needed to feed themselves then what is just and humane about stealing from others to “take care of” the unwilling. In addition, a government that can give a person everything they want can also take it away and the person, unwilling to overcome their addiction to comfort without labor is then a slave to the government.


Darwin's Law is a general philosophy about how life evolves. Its not a method of economics or governing. Human survival is about community. I know you want to think its adaptability, but I say all life is adaptable and thats what makes life in general successful, but specifically humans rely on cooperation to not just survive but advance. We share the environment thus need to be mindful of each other and lift each other up for the good of all. We don't let our own families suffer in the cold and that is why we are where we are today. Armstrong did not land on the moon by himself.

No one cares what you believe, the fact is a massive body of literature and science supports the assertion that human survival is about adaptability. The rest is your own wishes and emotions spewed in verbal rubbish.


A pure free market is no more just, fair, or compassionate than nature. Humans are. Socialism is the more compassionate way.
Over 120 million dead since 1900 suggest otherwise. Keep in mind that number doesn’t count those who have died in Socialist/Communist countries from disease and starvation that would not have happened had they had capitalist economies to serve their needs better.


I don't know what the final judge is but I do know our survival relies our collective effort.

What a nice emotional sentiment that in no way justifies Socialism/Communism.
In conclusion, read a history book written at least 30 years ago that isn’t replete with SJW changes and emotional garbage, read an economics book and maybe start to use some rational thinking as opposed to your feelings and then you might get somewhere.

[BriarFox]

Yeah, because doing things like withholding evidence that would have gotten an innocent person off of death row, etc. is totally being "tough on crime."

Confirmed BriarFox wants to lock up all black people. Racist.

Reported to Backlash. Better watch your six, Backlash doesn't fuck around and is a force to be reckoned with.

While she was district prosecutor, two detectives were eventually found guilty of framing a guy for murder and withholding evidence. There is a huge chasm between the truth and what you said.

[~Rocktar~]

While she was district prosecutor, two detectives were eventually found guilty of framing a guy for murder and withholding evidence. There is a huge chasm between the truth and what you said.

There are more than just that one. You are dying in a hill made of quicksand. Her actions are indefensible and she is a garbage human being.

https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/08/14/kamala-harris-accused-of-blocking-evidence-that-may-have-set-innocent-people-free-960180

[drauz]

Why do you think it is ok to have the government take over 1/6th of the entire economy, control production and distribution of healthcare and enslave the people and medical profession to support that?

Your answer is right there in the quote you used.

[time4fun]

Again, it's really worth repeating here: social welfare programs are not examples of socialism.

Every political and economic system has them. What decides whether or not they're "socialist" or "capitalist" (or neither) is how they're carried out.

Public roads built by private companies using asphalt produced by private companies = capitalism
Public roads built by worker-owned private companies using asphalt produced by non-worker-owned private companies = A little capitalism, a little socialism-ish
Public roads built by worker-owned private companies using asphalt, the production of which is exclusively owned by the government = socialism

It doesn't matter which of those three you pick- you're going to end up with public roads. The only difference is how they got there.

And not everything a government does is "socialist" or "capitalist". Not everything is about the means of production or the relationship workers have to the companies who employ them. Ironically this was, and continues to be, one of the primary critiques of Marx. He tried to boil EVERYTHING down to the relationship between workers and their employers (and their own labor). And the world just isn't that simple.



Also: Rockstar- you're an idiot, and you SERIOUSLY need to shut up about this stuff for a while and go learn about it from non-partisan sources. Or, I don't know, maybe actually read Marx and Engels yourself and stop relying on Tucker Carlson to be your Academic expert on them.

[~Rocktar~]

Your answer is right there in the quote you used.

So basically because of your feelings. Got it.

[~Rocktar~]

Again, it's really worth repeating here: social welfare programs are not examples of socialism.

Every political and economic system has them. What decides whether or not they're "socialist" or "capitalist" (or neither) is how they're carried out.

Public roads built by private companies using asphalt produced by private companies = capitalism
Public roads built by worker-owned private companies using asphalt produced by non-worker-owned private companies = A little capitalism, a little socialism-ish
Public roads built by worker-owned private companies using asphalt, the production of which is exclusively owned by the government = socialism

It doesn't matter which of those three you pick- you're going to end up with public roads. The only difference is how they got there.

And not everything a government does is "socialist" or "capitalist". Not everything is about the means of production or the relationship workers have to the companies who employ them.



Also: Rockstar- you're an idiot, and you SERIOUSLY need to shut up about this stuff for a while and go learn about it from non-partisan sources. Oh, I don't know, maybe actually read Marx and Engels.

Ok Bhaalizmo/Andrase/whoever. If there was anyone that needed to shut up, it's you.

[time4fun]

So to continue this thought- when people like Rockstar or Tgo are ranting and raving about things like giving people health care or making sure they're educated or helping homeless people get homes...they're not being capitalists. Because none of those goals is specifically socialist or specifically capitalist.

They're just being assholes.

[drauz]

So basically because of your feelings. Got it.

No, that's not a feeling.

[Bhaalizmo]

Ok Bhaalizmo/Andrase/whoever. If there was anyone that needed to shut up, it's you.

Go fuck yourself and lick a boot you fat slow minded fuck.

[Astray]

I would pay, actual money dollars, for a live podcast involving everyone in this topic.

[time4fun]

Ok Bhaalizmo/Andrase/whoever. If there was anyone that needed to shut up, it's you.

It must be really frustrating to realize that you can't actually respond to an argument because you don't know enough about the subject to do it even though you rant about that subject endlessly.

In before: "I know you are, but what am I???"

[Methais]

and that guy that used to brag about how many times his female coworkers accused him of sexual harassment.

Who was this? I don't remember that, but it sounds like there are some old legendary threads that I need to catch up on.

[Alfster]

There are more than just that one. You are dying in a hill made of quicksand. Her actions are indefensible and she is a garbage human being.

https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/08/14/kamala-harris-accused-of-blocking-evidence-that-may-have-set-innocent-people-free-960180

I do like this peek into what you consider unbiased news sources. Explains why you're so....painfully ignorant

[Tgo01]

So to continue this thought- when people like Rockstar or Tgo are ranting and raving about things like giving people health care

Like a good little communist you conflate "giving people healthcare" with "the government completely taking over healthcare."

Unless you've already forgotten what the left has been pushing lately.

[RichardCranium]

I think some services are essential and the government should provide them from the taxes collected. I think healthcare is one of the big ones, but I don't know the best way to go about it.

I'm all for single payer if done correctly.

[Methais]

I'm all for single payer if done correctly.

The funny part is that idiots like time4bhaalizmo legitimately believe our government can do this correctly, despite everything else the government touches turning to shit 99.9999999999999999999999999999% of the time under any administration.

[BriarFox]

I don't believe there's any plan on the table that would be entirely single-payer. Biden has floated a single-payer option. No need to distort the truth, and no need to change your health insurance if you don't want to.

[Parkbandit]

I don't believe there's any plan on the table that would be entirely single-payer. Biden has floated a single-payer option. No need to distort the truth, and no need to change your health insurance if you don't want to.

Wait.. so if we want to keep our health insurance, we can keep our health insurance?

Are you really going to peddle that again?

[Tgo01]

I don't believe there's any plan on the table that would be entirely single-payer. Biden has floated a single-payer option. No need to distort the truth, and no need to change your health insurance if you don't want to.

Except Harris said she wants to transition everyone to Medicare within 10 years. Oh but no worries! Private health care will still exist, just the government will regulate them as far as price, services, and every other facet so the plans will effectively be the exact same thing as just enrolling in Medicare.

It's like you don't even know what the fuck the candidates are saying but you'll be sure to "vote blue no matter who" all the while telling us non-liberal elites that we are just a bunch of uneducated and uninformed hicks.

[BriarFox]

Except Harris said she wants to transition everyone to Medicare within 10 years. Oh but no worries! Private health care will still exist, just the government will regulate them as far as price, services, and every other facet so the plans will effectively be the exact same thing as just enrolling in Medicare.

It's like you don't even know what the fuck the candidates are saying but you'll be sure to "vote blue no matter who" all the while telling us non-liberal elites that we are just a bunch of uneducated and uninformed hicks.

You're talking about the plan she floated as candidate, but you're very confused about it. It did not eliminate private insurance, though it did change the rules for it a bit. (And she is no longer floating that plan, though I suppose it's possible she might return to it in the future.) If you don't want to look like an "uneducated and uninformed hick," maybe you should stop frothing at the mouth and read past clickbait headlines.

[Tgo01]

You're talking about the plan she floated as candidate

I'm sure things are so much different now that she is running as VP and will most likely be president within a year if Biden does win. She's changed!

Moron.


It did not eliminate private insurance, though it did change the rules for it a bit.

A bit? A FUCKING BIT?! Private health insurance will be regulated as far as services and prices go to match what Medicare offers, so they will basically just be Medicare clones. Are you sure you're know what you're talking about?


If you don't want to look like an "uneducated and uninformed hick," maybe you should stop frothing at the mouth and read past clickbait headlines.

Hilarious. I read her actual plan. Whereas you apparently got your "facts" from fucking ShareBlue or something equally as stupid. Because you're stupid.

[BriarFox]

I'm sure things are so much different now that she is running as VP and will most likely be president within a year if Biden does win. She's changed!

Moron.



A bit? A FUCKING BIT?! Private health insurance will be regulated as far as services and prices go to match what Medicare offers, so they will basically just be Medicare clones. Are you sure you're know what you're talking about?



Hilarious. I read her actual plan. Whereas you apparently got your "facts" from fucking ShareBlue or something equally as stupid. Because you're stupid.

Dude, get on some meds. You're clearly going to have an aneurism when Biden wins.

[Tgo01]

Dude, get on some meds. You're clearly going to have an aneurism when Biden wins.

Someone is upset because a Republican is better educated on the candidate you are voting for than you are. How does it feel to be a liberal elite "professor" who just got schooled by a dumb Republican? Must really suck to be as clueless as you are.

[Alashir]

Dude, get on some meds. You're clearly going to have an aneurism when Biden wins.

Believe it or not this is a relaxed and thoughtful tgo

[BriarFox]

Someone is upset because a Republican is better educated on the candidate you are voting for than you are. How does it feel to be a liberal elite "professor" who just got schooled by a dumb Republican? Must really suck to be as clueless as you are.

You claimed that Harris was going to be president in a year. I ignored you because it’s a ridiculous statement. That’s not the same as you being right.

[drauz]

Someone is upset because a Republican is better educated on the candidate you are voting for than you are. How does it feel to be a liberal elite "professor" who just got schooled by a dumb Republican? Must really suck to be as clueless as you are.

He was talking about Biden and you mention his VP pick's medical plan when she was running for President.

Do you have any evidence that Biden will drop out after any period of time if elected?

You really think you dunked on him with this goalpost moving crap?!

[time4fun]

I'm all for single payer if done correctly.

The whole structure of health insurance makes single payer the most economically efficient option for everyone who isn't an insurance company or pharma exec

[time4fun]

I do like this peek into what you consider unbiased news sources. Explains why you're so....painfully ignorant

Yeah, looks like it registers as "extreme right win (https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/bizpac-review/)g" (shocker)


Analysis / Bias

In review, Bizpac Review covers news and opinion content with a strong conservative Republican bias. They also have a people section that covers commentary and news about other conservatives such as Donald Trump, Kellyanne Conway and Laura Ingraham, all of which have poor records with fact checkers.

Story selection always favors the right and utilizes loaded emotional wording such as this: Speaker makes big mistake of addressing crowd as ‘guys’ at Dem Socialists of America convention. This story is sourced to video followed by biased commentary with loaded wording such as this: “Not that Comrade Jackson didn’t begin by noting his preferred pronouns — but this was AFTER he addressed the room as “guys.” When not reporting negatively on Democrats, they frequently glorify Donald Trump and other conservatives with positive wording such as this: Trump suggests combo gun and immigration action to make something ‘GREAT, come out of two tragic events’. This story is reported with mostly neutral wording using quotes from the President, which differs greatly from their reporting on the left, which offers strong opinions.

Editorially, Bizpac Review almost always favors the right. They also republish content from the factually Mixed Daily Caller.

A factual search reveals a few failed fact checks by IFCN fact checkers.


One time, while he was arguing that his sources were far better than CNN, and that CNN is a fake news site....he cited a literal fake news site to back himself up.

[Gelston]

Yeah, looks like it registers as "extreme right win (https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/bizpac-review/)g" (shocker)




One time, while he was arguing that his sources were far better than CNN, and that CNN is a fake news site....he cited a literal fake news site to back himself up.

Are you Bhaalizmo? Why did you say you struck a nerve when replying to Rocktard after he was replying specifically to Bhaalizmo?

[Tgo01]

You claimed that Harris was going to be president in a year. I ignored you because it’s a ridiculous statement. That’s not the same as you being right.

You said the left isn't currently pushing to do away with private insurance, the fucking VP candidate ran on such a thing

[Tgo01]

He was talking about Biden and you mention his VP pick's medical plan when she was running for President.

Is Harris not part of the Biden-Harris ticket? Did I fucking miss something?

[BriarFox]

You said the left isn't currently pushing to do away with private insurance, the fucking VP candidate ran on such a thing
Which is no longer the plan she’s running on as Biden’s running mate, is it?

[Tgo01]

Which is no longer the plan she’s running on as Biden’s running mate, is it?

The left isn’t pushing this far left shit, just the VP candidate. But that’s it!

[drauz]

Is Harris not part of the Biden-Harris ticket? Did I fucking miss something?

Yes, it's the President's agenda that typically matters not the VP's.