Election Watch 2020 - Trump/Pence vs Biden/Harris

[Alfster]

The question at least has to be asked. If anything, a focus on election fraud is going to be good for the American people to know more about.

So those ten election security bills that mcconnell refused to even get a vote on, maybe should be revisited?

Please donate money to help them fight this rigged system.

[Alfster]

Recounts with illegal ballots removed would change his lead.

And spare me the fake unity garbage. We didn't have that the last 4 years and we will not have that going forward. IMO the chasm is only going to get wider.

So far it points to bidens lead growing...you know. The one guy in florida who requested a ballot for his dead mom, and the guy in pennsylvania that did the same.

2 more votes lost for Trump. Or 4? Probably 4.

[Solkern]

So far it points to bidens lead growing...you know. The one guy in florida who requested a ballot for his dead mom, and the guy in pennsylvania that did the same.

2 more votes lost for Trump. Or 4? Probably 4.

Fake news, they were secretive Democratic operatives expertly planted to make it look like the GOP were committing fraud, not the democrats.

[Methais]

Um no.

You don't get to run around repeatedly giving support to a BS conspiracy theory about our election while repeatedly refusing to provide even one ounce of evidence for widespread voter fraud (because you know you have none but still decided our entire election system is a lie so you don't have to admit Trump is the liar) and then act like somehow you're the responsible adult in the room.

You're not crazy like Rockstar. And you're not stupid like Tgo. You don't get a pass on this.

Coming from the same idiot (you, since you're probably too stupid to piece that together) that cried for 4 years about Russia and 48732094233 other nothingburgers.

Get some self-awareness and stfu for once. Your ears will thank you for it.

[Parkbandit]

Biden won. Recounts will not change his lead in PA. After that none of the other states in question matter. Biden has 5 million more popular votes. Biden has more votes than any president in American history. Shows over. Go home.

Popular vote means literally nothing in Presidential Elections. It's on the same level as gerrymandering. Stop being stupid just to prove it. We know.


We need to fight this pandemic together.

Fuck off with your chicken little shit already.

[Methais]

Biden won. Recounts will not change his lead in PA. After that none of the other states in question matter. Biden has 5 million more popular votes. Biden has more votes than any president in American history. Shows over. Go home.

We need to fight this pandemic together.

Where was this "let's unify" bullshit for the past 4 years?

It's funny because you probably really believe that people outside of your bubble don't notice the massive hypocrisy.

Hey Back....let's pretend that these recounts and all that flip the election and Trump wins. Are you still going to be ready for us to all unify?

[Alfster]

I hope both parties implode and it leads to a functional system of multiple parties. Or at the least, libertarian growing into a viable party.

Progressives and corporate Dems don't agree.
Maga and conservative Republicans don't agree.

[Seran]

You should be more concerned about the software being used.

There is no proof of your input.

There is no proof of the output.

The process can 100% be manipulated and likely has been by both republicans and democrats.

There's a tape created by all the votes at each site which can be read by a machine or it can be manually counted. We've gone past the time where people chiseled letters into rocks dude, stop being such a. Luddite

[Seran]

So those ten election security bills that mcconnell refused to even get a vote on, maybe should be revisited?

Please donate money to help them fight this rigged system.

If the Republican goal was just to ensure elections integrity, this would be a unanimous bipartisan vote. But obviously it's not, the GOP only wants to ensure Donald's second term.

The Donald is obviously trying to drag out results until after the Electoral College deadline to force the House to determine the winner. All of these lawsuits being thrown out as frivolous as they contain no evidence to back their claims is confirmation of this pipe dream of a strategy Trump has come up with

[Menos]

I hope both parties implode and it leads to a functional system of multiple parties. Or at the least, libertarian growing into a viable party.

Progressives and corporate Dems don't agree.
Maga and conservative Republicans don't agree.

From your mouth to God's ears.

[Astray]

I hope both parties implode and it leads to a functional system of multiple parties. Or at the least, libertarian growing into a viable party.

The dream.

[Blazar]

The dream.

Exactly.

[Fortybox]

There's a tape created by all the votes at each site which can be read by a machine or it can be manually counted. We've gone past the time where people chiseled letters into rocks dude, stop being such a. Luddite

Good luck getting access to that tape. Also, that tape could get altered as well. If you'd actually watch the video I posted they talked about it.

Nice try though.

[Fortybox]

Trump team just won a case in PA. It's becoming more and more likely that PA will not be able to certify its results.

This may just go to the House.

[Seran]

Good luck getting access to that tape. Also, that tape could get altered as well. If you'd actually watch the video I posted they talked about it.

Nice try though.

The only thing that it requires is a valid subpoena, which itself requires a valid legal reason to obtain the information. The state has an obligation to require parties access in a secure facility, while being monitored. Obviously to prevent "Patriots" from destroying evidence.

Stop being butt hurt about being wrong

[Back]

It seems like some of you forgot that Trump has been president these past 4 years. He was elected in 2016. Power was handed over in 2017. How is that not cooperating?

Why the heck are you guys continuing to coddle that big baby at the expense of our democracy?

[Fortybox]

The only thing that it requires is a valid subpoena, which itself requires a valid legal reason to obtain the information. The state has an obligation to require parties access in a secure facility, while being monitored. Obviously to prevent "Patriots" from destroying evidence.

Stop being butt hurt about being wrong

Again, wrong. Please watch the video.

[Fortybox]

It seems like some of you forgot that Trump has been president these past 4 years. He was elected in 2016. Power was handed over in 2017. How is that not cooperating?

Why the heck are you guys continuing to coddle that big baby at the expense of our democracy?

Because it is very likely Biden was complicit in manipulating the votes in key battleground states "Mr. Unity." Michigan and Pennsylvania, at minimum, are horribly corrupt.

[Parkbandit]

Because it is very likely Biden was complicit in manipulating the votes in key battleground states "Mr. Unity." Michigan and Pennsylvania, at minimum, are horribly corrupt.

Biden probably needs help tying his shoes at this point in his life....

[Back]

I hope both parties implode and it leads to a functional system of multiple parties. Or at the least, libertarian growing into a viable party.

Progressives and corporate Dems don't agree.
Maga and conservative Republicans don't agree.

I wish.

[Fortybox]

Biden probably needs help tying his shoes at this point in his life....

Maybe...

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Maybe not

[Seran]

Again, wrong. Please watch the video.

Not going to waste an hour of my life watching conspiracy theories from a crackpot who claims to have invented email. His performing a blessing of Kek the Frog should tell you everything you know about this guy's credibility

[Methais]

I hope both parties implode and it leads to a functional system of multiple parties. Or at the least, libertarian growing into a viable party.

Progressives and corporate Dems don't agree.
Maga and conservative Republicans don't agree.

That would be kind of nice.

[Fortybox]

Not going to waste an hour of my life watching an MIT professor, scientist, engineer, and innovator or basically someone with the credentials to talk to this

No problem - not surprised

[Methais]

The dream.

The American Dream


https://youtu.be/MfJJXIr1gzQ

[drauz]

Trump team just won a case in PA. It's becoming more and more likely that PA will not be able to certify its results.

This may just go to the House.

this one?


The Trump campaign on Thursday won a case attempting to disqualify a small number of mail-in ballots for first-time Pennsylvania voters who were unable to confirm their identification by Nov. 9.

These ballots had been segregated pending the judge’s decision and have not yet been counted, so their disqualification will not affect the current vote count in Pennsylvania. Joe Biden won the state, and subsequently the election, on Saturday and currently leads President Trump by more than 53,000 votes.

[Methais]

Not going to waste an hour of my life watching conspiracy theories from a crackpot who claims to have invented email. His performing a blessing of Kek the Frog should tell you everything you know about this guy's credibility


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[Tgo01]

What did they threaten him with?

I guess you glossed over the part where they mentioned the GoFundMe he had setup and suggested he could get into trouble for making money from false claims and that they were there to help him avoid getting into trouble?

Christ, man. I don't expect you to be smart, we all know that's not gonna happen, but at least try to engage in whatever common sense you have left.

[drauz]

I guess you glossed over the part where they mentioned the GoFundMe he had setup and suggested he could get into trouble for making money from false claims and that they were there to help him avoid getting into trouble?

Christ, man. I don't expect you to be smart, we all know that's not gonna happen, but at least try to engage in whatever common sense you have left.

What the inspectors said was that they (project veritas) had him do everything so that they can't be held liable for any legal issues that arise and that he will be solely responsible. Which is 100% correct.

[Alfster]

What the inspectors said was that they (project veritas) had him do everything so that they can't be held liable for any legal issues that arise and that he will be solely responsible. Which is 100% correct.

Just let him live in lala land and donate his life savings.

[Bhaalizmo]

I guess you glossed over the part where they mentioned the GoFundMe he had setup and suggested he could get into trouble for making money from false claims and that they were there to help him avoid getting into trouble?

Christ, man. I don't expect you to be smart, we all know that's not gonna happen, but at least try to engage in whatever common sense you have left.

Settle down sparky.

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[Tgo01]

What the inspectors said was that they (project veritas) had him do everything so that they can't be held liable for any legal issues that arise and that he will be solely responsible. Which is 100% correct.

So I jogged your memory about how they mentioned he could get into trouble for his GoFundMe account? Which you know, is a threat?

Glad we got that cleared up.

[drauz]

So I jogged your memory about how they mentioned he could get into trouble for his GoFundMe account? Which you know, is a threat?

Glad we got that cleared up.

No, that is not a threat.

Since this is all you could come back with, you agree he recanted?

Glad we got that cleared up.

[Tgo01]

No, that is not a threat.

Telling someone they could get into legal trouble unless they follow their instructions isn't a threat?

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I'm not sure you listened to the recording as well as you are having us all believe.

Did you specifically hear the whistle blower first suggest maybe he heard wrong? Or did you hear the "investigators" (interrogators) first suggest he heard wrong and that he should change his affidavit, you know after threatening him that he could get into legal trouble if he doesn't follow their commands?

[drauz]

Telling someone they could get into legal trouble unless they follow their instructions isn't a threat?

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I mean sure I guess, just not in the nefarious way you're implying.

Like if a cop sees you pocket a candy bar and tells you to put it back or he'd arrest you.

[Tgo01]

I mean sure I guess, just not in the nefarious way you're implying.

Like if a cop sees you pocket a candy bar and tells you to put it back or he'd arrest you.

Hey I edited that post so be sure to read it all! Wouldn't want you to miss out on more facts showing how wrong you are.

Also a big LOL at your "not in the nefarious way you're implying."

"Hey you're gonna get in big trouble for this GoFundMe account unless you listen to exactly what I say. Remember I'm on your side. Okay so I'm gonna need you to say you didn't hear this word you said you heard."

drauz: I see nothing nefarious here.

Get the fuck outta here.

Not to mention there is exactly NOTHING ILLEGAL about setting up a GoFundMe account. FUCKING NOTHING. The ONLY way he could get into trouble is if he said he was raising money for his cancer treatments or something and it turns out he didn't have cancer and instead spent the money going on vacations. That's it. I could go on GoFundMe right now and say I have cancer and beg for donations and there isn't a single law being broken even if I don't have cancer. Lying to random people isn't a crime, them willingly donating money to me because I led them to believe I have cancer isn't a crime. The only crime would be if I lied about how the money would be spent.

[Fortybox]

this one?

One of several legal challenges. Stop the counting of those illegal ballots followed by, hopefully, further cases won on the others.

[Seran]

I mean sure I guess, just not in the nefarious way you're implying.

Like if a cop sees you pocket a candy bar and tells you to put it back or he'd arrest you.

Dreaven would have you believe that an officer of the court swearing a witness in to tell the truth, or an officer reading Miranda that anything they say could be used against them in a court of law is some barbaric attempt at witness intimidation.

Pretty embarrassing that the Right feels admonishing someone the penalties of lying or committing perjury is suddenly a huge scandal.

[drauz]

Not to mention there is exactly NOTHING ILLEGAL about setting up a GoFundMe account. FUCKING NOTHING. The ONLY way he could get into trouble is if he said he was raising money for his cancer treatments or something and it turns out he didn't have cancer and instead spent the money going on vacations. That's it. I could go on GoFundMe right now and say I have cancer and beg for donations and there isn't a single law being broken even if I don't have cancer. Lying to random people isn't a crime, them willingly donating money to me because I led them to believe I have cancer isn't a crime. The only crime would be if I lied about how the money would be spent.

That still sounds like fraud to me.

[Fortybox]

That still sounds like fraud to me.

Fraud is when you enchant coraesine when you’re not supposed to.

[Alfster]

That still sounds like fraud to me.

Lying to get money is fraud. Many cases of this through gofundme, but he's too retarded to step back and think about his example. Lying about having cancer and then keeping the money would be fraud .

In November 2014, a woman named Cynthia Smith of Burlington, Ontario faked a rare neurological disorder to raise more than $126,000 in a campaign.

According to The Hamilton Spectator, Smith convinced her loved ones that she had overcome organ failure and a massive stroke, both part of a rapid onset of chronic inflammatory demyelinating polyneuropathy (CIDP). But soon doubts were raised about Smith's supposed illness and it was determined that she was not ill.

In May 2015, Smith was charged with defrauding the public of more than $5,000.

She would go on to plead guilty in October 2016, to a lesser charge of fraud under $5,000. Smith was allowed to go with two years of probation. Police were able to recover just $7,200 of the money Smith raised, according to the Burlington Post.

[drauz]

Fraud is when you enchant coraesine when you’re not supposed to.

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[BriarFox]

Meanwhile, top cyber security officials are quitting because are Trump wants them to lie. Here’s their latest statement:

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2020/11/12/us/joe-biden-trump/cybersecurity-officials-say-the-election-was-the-most-secure-in-american-history

Cybersecurity officials say the election was ‘the most secure in American history.’


Top government security and election officials released a joint statement on Thursday definitively declaring that the presidential election last week “was the most secure in American history” and making clear that “there is no evidence” that any voting system was compromised in any way.

The statement, attributed to a high-ranking official at the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency — part of the Department of Homeland Security — along with several top elections officials, amounted to a strong rebuke of President Trump’s repeated baseless assertion that the election had been stolen from him through widespread voter fraud.

In the statement, officials listed the many ways in which they said elections officials in states with close contests would recheck their counts and add “security and resilience” to their processes.

“There is no evidence that any voting system deleted or lost votes, changed votes, or was in any way compromised,” the statement said.

“While we know there are many unfounded claims and opportunities for misinformation about the process of our elections, we can assure you we have the utmost confidence in the security and integrity of our elections, and you should, too,” officials added in their statement. “When you have questions, turn to elections officials as trusted voices as they administer elections.”

The joint statement comes after Bryan Ware, the assistant director for cybersecurity at the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency, known as C.I.S.A., submitted his resignation on Thursday.

Mr. Ware and other senior officials at C.I.S.A. had drawn the president’s ire because they did not echo his baseless claims that mail-in voting was rife with fraud. Other senior cybersecurity officials have told colleagues that they feared they had been put on lists of administration officials who would be fired after the election, according to two senior officials.

They said the lists included senior officials such as Christopher Krebs, the C.I.S.A. director, and others who have refused to toe the president’s line on his false claims that Russian interference was a hoax and that mail voting was not secure and could lead to fraud.

The president’s anger at cybersecurity officials has escalated since last week, when C.I.S.A. put up a “rumor control” website meant to combat misinformation and ensure voters understood that any delays in the reporting of results was normal and not a sign of impropriety.

In the nine days since voters went to the polls, Mr. Trump has refused to concede, complicating President-elect Joseph R. Biden Jr.’s transition and hindering his ability to be informed on important matters of national intelligence

[Taernath]

Meanwhile, top cyber security officials are quitting because are Trump wants them to lie. Here’s their latest statement:

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2020/11/12/us/joe-biden-trump/cybersecurity-officials-say-the-election-was-the-most-secure-in-american-history

Cybersecurity officials say the election was ‘the most secure in American history.’

https://i.imgur.com/yD4IxKx.jpg

[Risen]

This is of interest based on BriarFox's point. If Kreb goes, this likely will as well. - https://www.cisa.gov/rumorcontrol

[Tgo01]

Lying to get money is fraud.

Not in the legal sense. It's only fraud if you lie about where the money is going to.

[Tgo01]

That still sounds like fraud to me.

It's not fraud in the legal sense. There is no law for lying, and if you lie and someone wants to give you money because they feel sorry for you based on that lie then it's not fraud. It only becomes fraud if you say the money being donated to you is for X reason and you spend it on Y.

[Tgo01]

Meanwhile, top cyber security officials are quitting because are Trump wants them to lie. Here’s their latest statement:

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2020/11/12/us/joe-biden-trump/cybersecurity-officials-say-the-election-was-the-most-secure-in-american-history

Cybersecurity officials say the election was ‘the most secure in American history.’

That's just dumb. Each county uses their own system, not to mention the fraud being discussed is creating fake ballots and throwing away ballots and "glitches" changing votes from one candidate to the other, the latter of which has already been discovered and changed the results of 2 or 3 elections last I heard, "coincidentally" enough in each race the votes were "accidentally" changed from Republican to Democrat.

It's not like we have one federal system for elections that we all use that the security experts could monitor themselves. This is just more sheep fodder for the sheep.

[~Rocktar~]

Lying to get money is fraud. Many cases of this through gofundme, but he's too retarded to step back and think about his example. Lying about having cancer and then keeping the money would be fraud .

In November 2014, a woman named Cynthia Smith of Burlington, Ontario faked a rare neurological disorder to raise more than $126,000 in a campaign.

According to The Hamilton Spectator, Smith convinced her loved ones that she had overcome organ failure and a massive stroke, both part of a rapid onset of chronic inflammatory demyelinating polyneuropathy (CIDP). But soon doubts were raised about Smith's supposed illness and it was determined that she was not ill.

In May 2015, Smith was charged with defrauding the public of more than $5,000.

She would go on to plead guilty in October 2016, to a lesser charge of fraud under $5,000. Smith was allowed to go with two years of probation. Police were able to recover just $7,200 of the money Smith raised, according to the Burlington Post.

The United States is not Canada but that is obvious to people without TDS.

[BriarFox]

That's just dumb. Each county uses their own system, not to mention the fraud being discussed is creating fake ballots and throwing away ballots and "glitches" changing votes from one candidate to the other, the latter of which has already been discovered and changed the results of 2 or 3 elections last I heard, "coincidentally" enough in each race the votes were "accidentally" changed from Republican to Democrat.

It's not like we have one federal system for elections that we all use that the security experts could monitor themselves. This is just more sheep fodder for the sheep.

You have your head so far down the rabbit hole there isn't even the tip of a shoe visible from up above.

[Tgo01]

You have your head so far down the rabbit hole there isn't even the tip of a shoe visible from up above.

2 or 3 elections have been overturned because of computer "glitches" that counted votes meant for the Republican and instead went to the Democrat.

Normal people: Huh. Maybe we should look into this more?
Insane people such as BriarFox: LOL! There's no evidence of anything wrong! LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL!

Why can't you all just save us all the trouble of this constant back and forth watching you contort yourself into a pretzel with all of this twisted logic and just admit the truth: You want the Democrat candidate, ANY Democrat candidate, to win no matter what. Just say it already. This is tiring.

[Bhaalizmo]

2 or 3 elections have been overturned because of computer "glitches" that counted votes meant for the Republican and instead went to the Democrat.

Normal people: Huh. Maybe we should look into this more?
Insane people such as BriarFox: LOL! There's no evidence of anything wrong! LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL!

Why can't you all just save us all the trouble of this constant back and forth watching you contort yourself into a pretzel with all of this twisted logic and just admit the truth: You want the Democrat candidate, ANY Democrat candidate, to win no matter what. Just say it already. This is tiring.

Yes. You ARE in fact tiring.

Finally we agree on something.
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[Tgo01]

Yes. You ARE in fact tiring.

Finally we agree on something.
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[Bhaalizmo]

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[drauz]

It's not fraud in the legal sense. There is no law for lying, and if you lie and someone wants to give you money because they feel sorry for you based on that lie then it's not fraud. It only becomes fraud if you say the money being donated to you is for X reason and you spend it on Y.

So you think if someone doesn't say what the money will be used for but just says "I have cancer" and get money from people that it is legal?

That is like literally the definition of fraud...

https://dictionary.law.com/Default.aspx?selected=785


fraud
n. the intentional use of deceit, a trick or some dishonest means to deprive another of his/her/its money, property or a legal right.

[BriarFox]

2 or 3 elections have been overturned because of computer "glitches" that counted votes meant for the Republican and instead went to the Democrat.

Normal people: Huh. Maybe we should look into this more?
Insane people such as BriarFox: LOL! There's no evidence of anything wrong! LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL!

Why can't you all just save us all the trouble of this constant back and forth watching you contort yourself into a pretzel with all of this twisted logic and just admit the truth: You want the Democrat candidate, ANY Democrat candidate, to win no matter what. Just say it already. This is tiring.

You certainly must be exhausted after this tirade of posts. I recommend a nap and a thorough reading of this article: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/09/technology/no-software-glitches-are-not-affecting-vote-counts.html

[Tgo01]

So you think if someone doesn't say what the money will be used for but just says "I have cancer" and get money from people that it is legal?

That is like literally the definition of fraud...

https://dictionary.law.com/Default.aspx?selected=785

Yes. Just lying about having cancer and asking for money isn't illegal. If you lie about having cancer and say you need money for treatment then that is illegal. Even in the case Alfster mentioned the woman asked for money for treatment.

[Blazar]

It's not fraud in the legal sense. There is no law for lying, and if you lie and someone wants to give you money because they feel sorry for you based on that lie then it's not fraud. It only becomes fraud if you say the money being donated to you is for X reason and you spend it on Y.

Article:
https://www.syracuse.com/crime/2018/05/martin_lafrance_jolene_scheme_to_defraud_cancer_sy racuse_football.html

Archived GoFundMe page:
https://web.archive.org/web/20170830102641/www.gofundme.com/cnk92-cj-strong


Prosecuted for fraud, lied about their kid having cancer. By your definition, since they posted the money would be used for "Any funds raised will go towards medical expenses, gas for travel, and anything else related to this difficult time!". So by stating "anything else during this difficult time" they could have literally used the money for anything, yet they were prosecuted. Nice try, TgoIdiot Esquire.

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[Tgo01]

You certainly must be exhausted after this tirade of posts. I recommend a nap and a thorough reading of this article: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/09/technology/no-software-glitches-are-not-affecting-vote-counts.html


The problem, election security experts and state officials concluded, was that an election worker had configured ballot scanners and reporting systems with slightly different versions of the ballot, which meant some results did not line up with the right candidate when officials loaded them into the system.

Sounds good. If all it takes is one employee to fuck something up this big then let's ditch computers and count ballots the old fashioned way. Why are you so against fair, honest, and accurate elections? Again just say it already: "I want the Democrat candidate to win no matter what."

Imagine thinking it's no big deal to take 3000 votes from the Republicans and giving them to the Democrats and actually thinking you give a single fuck about Democracy and integrity.

I also love this one:


County election workers had mistakenly counted votes from the city of Rochester Hills, Mich., twice, according to the Michigan Department of State. The workers later spotted the error.

Oh WHOOPS! We "accidentally" counted the same city twice and gave the win to the Democrat instead of the Republican.

And here is BriarFox "Sounds legit to me!"

[Tgo01]

Article:
https://www.syracuse.com/crime/2018/05/martin_lafrance_jolene_scheme_to_defraud_cancer_sy racuse_football.html

Archived GoFundMe page:
https://web.archive.org/web/20170830102641/www.gofundme.com/cnk92-cj-strong


Prosecuted for fraud, lied about their kid having cancer. By your definition, since they posted the money would be used for "Any funds raised will go towards medical expenses, gas for travel, and anything else related to this difficult time!". So by stating "anything else during this difficult time" they could have literally used the money for anything, yet they were prosecuted. Nice try, TgoIdiot Esquire.

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Like a shit eating gnat drawn to a bright flame. How does it feel to know I get to you this much that you couldn't even go 24 hours without responding to me after saying you wouldn't respond to me with nothing but that gif anymore?

[drauz]

Yes. Just lying about having cancer and asking for money isn't illegal. If you lie about having cancer and say you need money for treatment then that is illegal. Even in the case Alfster mentioned the woman asked for money for treatment.

I just gave you the legal definition, you are lying to receive money. It is literally the legal definition of fraud.

Anyway this isn't really that important, the guy recanted. End of story.

[Blazar]

Like a shit eating gnat drawn to a bright flame. How does it feel to know I get to you this much that you couldn't even go 24 hours without responding to me after saying you wouldn't respond to me with nothing but that gif anymore?

Except I didn't say that. Man, you suck at reading comprehension and you're really dumb. Sucks to be you.

Also, I think you've got it wrong. It'd be a shit eating gnat, drawn to shit. Because you, dumbass, are nothing but a steaming pile of rotting shit.

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[Bhaalizmo]

Except I didn't say that. Man, you suck at reading comprehension and you're really dumb. Sucks to be you.

Also, I think you've got it wrong. It'd be a shit eating gnat, drawn to shit. Because you, dumbass, are nothing but a steaming pile of rotting shit.

^^ This is correct.

[Blazar]

^^ This is correct.

I'd also point out the fact that he didn't bother responding to the content of the post, because he knows he's wrong, just like he's wrong about everything else. Reading Tgo's posts is like watching the dumbest person on earth prove how dumb they are. Oh, wait, it's not like that... it is that.

[BriarFox]

If Tgo01 grasps at enough straws, do you think he could weave a mat to give himself some metaphorical ground to stand on? It's a question for the ages!

[Bhaalizmo]

I'd also point out the fact that he didn't bother responding to the content of the post, because he knows he's wrong, just like he's wrong about everything else. Reading Tgo's posts is like watching the dumbest person on earth prove how dumb they are. Oh, wait, it's not like that... it is that.

It's like a train wreck of a big dumb train crashing into a big stupid train in the middle of morontown.

[Tgo01]

Article:
https://www.syracuse.com/crime/2018/05/martin_lafrance_jolene_scheme_to_defraud_cancer_sy racuse_football.html

Archived GoFundMe page:
https://web.archive.org/web/20170830102641/www.gofundme.com/cnk92-cj-strong


Any funds raised will go towards medical expenses, gas for travel, and anything else related to this difficult time!

You guys got anything else for me? Not to mention they were involving a child in their scheme, that invites all sorts of other legal issues.

[Blazar]

If Tgo01 grasps at enough straws, do you think he could weave a mat to give himself some metaphorical ground to stand on? It's a question for the ages!

In his own mind, that is exactly what he does. In the real world? Nah, he's too much of a fucking waste of space.

[Bhaalizmo]

If Tgo01 grasps at enough straws, do you think he could weave a mat to give himself some metaphorical ground to stand on? It's a question for the ages!

If nothing else, the furious weaving effort might generate enough lift to let him hover into his own fart cloud and huff it.

[Tgo01]

I just gave you the legal definition, you are lying to receive money. It is literally the legal definition of fraud.

Whatever you say, sparky.


Anyway this isn't really that important, the guy recanted. End of story.

A) He didn't recant.
B) He changed parts of his story after being threatened with a crime if he didn't cooperate and after interrogators told him he didn't really hear what he said he heard.

I mean shit, if that's your idea of "recanting" then so be it. Really no point in arguing with someone who is clearly arguing in bad faith or is just plain incompetent.

[Tgo01]

I'd also point out the fact that he didn't bother responding to the content of the post, because he knows he's wrong, just like he's wrong about everything else. Reading Tgo's posts is like watching the dumbest person on earth prove how dumb they are. Oh, wait, it's not like that... it is that.

I do love how you morons stick your foot in your mouth just a couple of minutes before I once again prove you wrong.

Let's see how Blazar weasels his way out of this one so his homies drauz and Bhaalizmo will continue sucking his tiny pecker.

[BriarFox]

Really no point in arguing with someone who is clearly arguing in bad faith or is just plain incompetent.

Hey, something we can all agree on!

[Tgo01]

If Tgo01 grasps at enough straws, do you think he could weave a mat to give himself some metaphorical ground to stand on? It's a question for the ages!

Ah and there it is. Finally we have reached the end of BriarFox's ability to twist and distort the truth so he leaves us with nothing but "witty" "liberal elite" one liners.

They all eventually succumb to their own ineptitude.

[Tgo01]

Blazar, I'm beginning to understand why you said you were just going to respond to me with that gif, you seem woefully unprepared to argue even the simplest of things. Let's leave adult discussions to the adults, okay?

[BriarFox]

Ah and there it is. Finally we have reached the end of BriarFox's ability to twist and distort the truth so he leaves us with nothing but "witty" "liberal elite" one liners.

They all eventually succumb to their own ineptitude.

It really was quite witty, wasn't it? To your other comment, however, the only thing this series of exchanges proves is that you have a remarkable ability to cherry-pick evidence, create strawman arguments, and issue ad-hominem attacks. You have no ability to distinguish reliable information from unreliable, to judge the quality of a source, or to impartially compare conflicting accounts. You are a walking, breathing example of the double-down and confirmation biases and the Dunning-Kruger Effect. To argue with you is to argue with a goblin dressed in tinfoil waving a plastic daiquiri sword while standing on a toilet filled with its own feces. And yes, that's an ad-hominem attack, but I am much, much better at it than you.

[Tgo01]

It really was quite witty, wasn't it? To your other comment, however, the only thing this series of exchanges proves is that you have a remarkable ability to cherry-pick evidence, create strawman arguments, and issue ad-hominem attacks. You have no ability to distinguish reliable information from unreliable, to judge the quality of a source, or to impartially compare conflicting accounts. You are a walking, breathing example of the double-down and confirmation biases and the Dunning-Kruger Effect. To argue with you is to argue with a goblin dressed in tinfoil waving a plastic daiquiri sword while standing on a toilet filled with its own feces. And yes, that's an ad-hominem attack, but I am much, much better at it than you.

So if all it takes is one employee "error" to flip an election from Republican to Democrat don't you think this shows we should perhaps take a closer look at the votes? No? I mean it's only Republicans losing seats because of "human error" and giving the win to Democrats so no big deal right?

I'm sure if "human error" had given Republicans the majority in the House you would be screaming bloody murder right about now wouldn't you?

[Blazar]

You guys got anything else for me? Not to mention they were involving a child in their scheme, that invites all sorts of other legal issues.

https://www.mikeglaw.com/is-making-a-fake-go-fund-me-a-crime/


What is Fraud?
At its most basic, fraud is about deception.

According to Go Fund Me’s site, they consider the following as fraudulent activity:

Breaking the law
Lying or being misleading about your identity as a campaign organizer or your relationship to the beneficiary of the funds
Posting misleading statements in the campaign description
Not delivering funds to the stated beneficiary
Not using funds for their stated purpose
Florida Statute 817.034, the Florida Communications Fraud Act, is the law that would be used to punish someone for profiting from a fake Go Fund Me campaign.

Notice that "not using funds for their stated purpose" is in the list, but it's not the only one.

But keep trying ya worthless piece of shit.

https://media1.tenor.com/images/70577dc32eae40cb875bf43c5753e639/tenor.gif?itemid=5137919

[BriarFox]

So if all it takes is one employee "error" to flip an election from Republican to Democrat don't you think this shows we should perhaps take a closer look at the votes? No? I mean it's only Republicans losing seats because of "human error" and giving the win to Democrats so no big deal right?

I'm sure if "human error" had given Republicans the majority in the House you would be screaming bloody murder right about now wouldn't you?

This is what you're not getting. You know about that error (I'm assuming you mean the one in Rochester, MI, which was given back to the Republican, by the way) because of the checks on the system which fixed it. Any error that pops up *is* looked into and resolved. Just because there was an error or two that were fixed does not provide *any* support for a wide-spread election conspiracy, and certainly not enough of one to overturn the results. Moreover, no one here is arguing that we shouldn't fix problems. You've just invented both of those things. Take thirty three steps back and breathe deeply.

[Tgo01]

https://www.mikeglaw.com/is-making-a-fake-go-fund-me-a-crime/



Notice that "not using funds for their stated purpose" is in the list, but it's not the only one.

But keep trying ya worthless piece of shit.

https://media1.tenor.com/images/70577dc32eae40cb875bf43c5753e639/tenor.gif?itemid=5137919

I don't think you're understanding what I'm saying, let me see if I can dumb it down more for you.

Fraud: I have cancer. I need money for my medical treatments. Please help.
Not fraud: I have cancer. If you wish to give me money you can do so here.

Do you see the difference? Lying isn't a crime. Asking for money isn't a crime. Combining the two isn't a crime.

Lying about where the money being donated is going to is a crime. I'm speaking in a general sense here on this one, maybe there are some state specific laws out there that make it a crime to lie about having cancer and also accepting donations.

This is typically why they say you should research the charities you are donating money to because they are pretty upfront about where the money is going to so they can avoid getting into trouble with the law.

[Tgo01]

Any error that pops up *is* looked into and resolved.

Or are they? Have we done an audit on all of the ballots to make sure no other "human errors" caused a 6000 vote discrepancy for the Democrat candidate?

[BriarFox]

Or are they? Have we done an audit on all of the ballots to make sure no other "human errors" caused a 6000 vote problem for the Democrat candidate?

Ballot systems are thoroughly vetted and, in most cases, paper copies are kept as backups (which is one reason why I don't support electronic voting). Most states have election laws that require a recount under a certain percentage (note WI and GA). You can speculate all you want about problems that haven't been found, but that's just one giant argument from absence (which is a logical fallacy).

[Blazar]

I don't think you're understanding what I'm saying, let me see if I can dumb it down more for you.

Fraud: I have cancer. I need money for my medical treatments. Please help.
Not fraud: I have cancer. If you wish to give me money you can do so here.

Do you see the difference? Lying isn't a crime. Asking for money isn't a crime. Combining the two isn't a crime.

Lying about where the money being donated is going to is a crime. I'm speaking in a general sense here on this one, maybe there are some state specific laws out there that make it a crime to lie about having cancer and also accepting donations.

This is typically why they say you should research the charities you are donating money to because they are pretty upfront about where the money is going to so they can avoid getting into trouble with the law.

If you say you have cancer, and don't, is that considered a misleading statement? Dude, seriously, LEARN 2 FUCKING READ.

Posting misleading statements in the campaign description


I'm going to trust the information I found on a lawyer's website, and not some dumb ass cretin who admires Trump, is a racist, misogynistic bigot, who can honestly go fuck himself 6 ways from Sunday. The fact that you consider yourself intelligent, and an adult, once again gave me the chuckles. Thanks again dumbass!

https://media1.tenor.com/images/70577dc32eae40cb875bf43c5753e639/tenor.gif?itemid=5137919

[Tgo01]

If you say you have cancer, and don't, is that considered a misleading statement? Dude, seriously, LEARN 2 FUCKING READ.

Posting misleading statements in the campaign description


What GoFundMe considers fraud and what the law considers fraud are two entirely different things. I feel like I shouldn't have to explain this to you yet here we are.

[Tgo01]

Ballot systems are thoroughly vetted and, in most cases, paper copies are kept as backups (which is one reason why I don't support electronic voting). Most states have election laws that require a recount under a certain percentage (note WI and GA). You can speculate all you want about problems that haven't been found, but that's just one giant argument from absence (which is a logical fallacy).

Except at least 2 rather big problems have already been found, including somehow counting the ballots from an entire city twice. Now what if people don't want those "problems" "found"?

"Yeah sure we fucked up rather bigly in two different instances in two different states. But trust us that's it! Over 150 million ballots but just those two cases! No need to further review this!"

[Blazar]

What GoFundMe considers fraud and what the law considers fraud are two entirely different things. I feel like I shouldn't have to explain this to you yet here we are.


I'm so glad you post this shit publicly for everyone to see how stupid you are. Don't you think they have dozens of lawyers on their team, who have a better understanding of the law than you do? Seriously, it will never cease to amaze me how much dumb can fit into one person, all the while they actually think they are smart.

In your scenario, coupling the fake cancer diagnosis with a request for money would be considered fraud, as it would be obvious that you were intentionally trying to mislead people to donate money for that purpose even if you did not specifically state it. Seriously, nice try idiot, but what you make up in your head and the actual law are two entirely different things. I feel like I shouldn't have to explain this to you... oh wait, yes I do, because you're fucking dumb.

https://media1.tenor.com/images/70577dc32eae40cb875bf43c5753e639/tenor.gif?itemid=5137919

[BriarFox]

Except at least 2 rather big problems have already been found, including somehow counting the ballots from an entire city twice. Now what if people don't want those "problems" "found"?

"Yeah sure we fucked up rather bigly in two different instances in two different states. But trust us that's it! Over 150 million ballots but just those two cases! No need to further review this!"

All right, let's see what your "big problems" are. To which are you referring? Provide a source or at least a detailed description.

[drauz]

A) He didn't recant.
B) He changed parts of his story after being threatened with a crime if he didn't cooperate and after interrogators told him he didn't really hear what he said he heard.

I mean shit, if that's your idea of "recanting" then so be it. Really no point in arguing with someone who is clearly arguing in bad faith or is just plain incompetent.

Yeah dude there's really no point, you'll believe whatever you want to keep your ego from having to admit they're wrong.

He told them what he heard, which including nothing about backdating. He literally only heard "these are postmarked the 3rd and this one is postmarked the 4th". That's it, nothing more. This was said way before they brought up anything about his gofundme or his involvement with project veritas. Thats a far cry from "I heard them talking about backdating ballots".

Sorry little buddy, but those are the facts. Nothing you say will change that, no matter how much you whine, pout, and try to insult me.

You're so blinded by your devotion to Trump it's almost unbelievable. When presented with straight up facts you just stick your fingers in your ears and scream "Nuh uh!". You're an embarrassment to the Republican party.

[Solkern]

All right, let's see what your "big problems" are. To which are you referring? Provide a source or at least a detailed description.

I’m honestly surprised you haven’t given up yet. Giving him facts or arguing with him, is like putting gas in a car you’ve just totaled.

[drauz]

What GoFundMe considers fraud and what the law considers fraud are two entirely different things. I feel like I shouldn't have to explain this to you yet here we are.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1343


Whoever, having devised or intending to devise any scheme or artifice to defraud, or for obtaining money or property by means of false or fraudulent pretenses, representations, or promises, transmits or causes to be transmitted by means of wire, radio, or television communication in interstate or foreign commerce, any writings, signs, signals, pictures, or sounds for the purpose of executing such scheme or artifice, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both. If the violation occurs in relation to, or involving any benefit authorized, transported, transmitted, transferred, disbursed, or paid in connection with, a presidentially declared major disaster or emergency (as those terms are defined in section 102 of the Robert T. Stafford Disaster Relief and Emergency Assistance Act (42 U.S.C. 5122)), or affects a financial institution, such person shall be fined not more than $1,000,000 or imprisoned not more than 30 years, or both.

The law considers getting money by lying fraud and it has some pretty harsh punishments for it to.

[Solkern]

All right, let's see what your "big problems" are. To which are you referring? Provide a source or at least a detailed description.

His logic, and it’s his logic only because Trump lost. If there was one isolated problem, no matter how small, the entire election has become invalidated and we need to vote again. This process will continue to repeat until Trump wins. After Trump wins, no more fraud! It’s legit!

[Tgo01]

Don't you think they have dozens of lawyers on their team, who have a better understanding of the law than you do? Seriously, it will never cease to amaze me how much dumb can fit into one person, all the while they actually think they are smart.

So you're really suggesting what GoFundMe considers fraud is what the law considers fraud? Whew boy. If that were the case why didn't GoFundMe just stop after "Breaking the law" since wheat you are saying is supposedly law already then they didn't need to specify any further.


In your scenario, coupling the fake cancer diagnosis with a request for money would be considered fraud, as it would be obvious that you were intentionally trying to mislead people to donate money for that purpose even if you did not specifically state it.

And yet so far you can't name a single instance where someone was charged with a crime for simply saying "I have cancer. Feel free to give me money if you want to."

So weird. Time to take the L, Blazar, something you should be really familiar with in your life.

[Tgo01]

All right, let's see what your "big problems" are. To which are you referring? Provide a source or at least a detailed description.

I just named two. Just because you dismiss them as no big deal doesn't mean they aren't there.

[Tgo01]

He told them what he heard, which including nothing about backdating.

Okay I'm really beginning to doubt you listened to the recording as well as you say you did.

He told them what he heard, which included hearing his boss use the word "backdating", then the investigators told him it would be impossible to hear that for sure considering how far away he was and suggested he really just assumed he used the word "backdating."

Remember this is after the interrogators threatened him with a crime unless he cooperated with them.

Again if this is what you consider "recanting" then that's on you. I mean you're 100% wrong but that's on you. This is the exact type of shit police use to get mentally handicapped people to confess to murder and shit.

"Hey look, we're just trying to help you. If you don't let us help you then you're going to jail. Now just say you murdered Joe and you can go home."

drauz: Doesn't sound nefarious to me.

[BriarFox]

I just named two. Just because you dismiss them as no big deal doesn't mean they aren't there.
So you only have hearsay. Got it. I’m sorry I even tried.

[Tgo01]

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1343



The law considers getting money by lying fraud and it has some pretty harsh punishments for it to.

Again you and Blazar are having difficulty understanding what I'm saying.

Joe saying "Hey I'm a licensed plumber, I can fix your toilet" would be fraud if he's not really a licensed plumber.
Joe saying "Hey I have cancer, please give me money for my treatments" would be fraud if he doesn't spend the money on treatments.
Joe saying "Hey, Mr. Government Man, I own a business that was impacted by the hurricane, can I have relief?" would be fraud if Joe doesn't really own a business.

Joe merely saying "I have cancer and I am accepting donations" isn't fraud because Joe isn't soliciting funds FOR his cancer. This is a case of someone feeling sorry for Joe because he has cancer and deciding to give him money. That isn't Joe's fault.

If your friend comes to you and says he has fallen on hard times and you take it upon yourself to give him 5000 to get back on his feet, and it turns out he has two cars, a house, and has been taking expensive vacations every year, do you really think you can have your friend charged for fraud? Here's a hint: you can't.

[Tgo01]

So you only have hearsay. Got it. I’m sorry I even tried.

Hearsay? So now official ballots being counted for the Democrat when they were meant for the Republican is "hearsay"? You guys aren't even trying anymore. Let me know when you have something other than "I want the Democrat candidate to win no matter what it takes."

[drauz]

Okay I'm really beginning to doubt you listened to the recording as well as you say you did.

He told them what he heard, which included hearing his boss use the word "backdating", then the investigators told him it would be impossible to hear that for sure considering how far away he was and suggested he really just assumed he used the word "backdating."

Remember this is after the interrogators threatened him with a crime unless he cooperated with them.

Again if this is what you consider "recanting" then that's on you. I mean you're 100% wrong but that's on you. This is the exact type of shit police use to get mentally handicapped people to confess to murder and shit.

"Hey look, we're just trying to help you. If you don't let us help you then you're going to jail. Now just say you murdered Joe and you can go home."

drauz: Doesn't sound nefarious to me.

38 min 47 seconds in the video. Well before anything about his gofundme.

You're full of shit. You are straight up lying.

[Bhaalizmo]

I do love how you morons stick your foot in your mouth just a couple of minutes before I once again prove you wrong.

Let's see how Blazar weasels his way out of this one so his homies drauz and Bhaalizmo will continue sucking his tiny pecker.

Wow you really supergayed that right up

[time4fun]

It really was quite witty, wasn't it? To your other comment, however, the only thing this series of exchanges proves is that you have a remarkable ability to cherry-pick evidence, create strawman arguments, and issue ad-hominem attacks. You have no ability to distinguish reliable information from unreliable, to judge the quality of a source, or to impartially compare conflicting accounts. You are a walking, breathing example of the double-down and confirmation biases and the Dunning-Kruger Effect. To argue with you is to argue with a goblin dressed in tinfoil waving a plastic daiquiri sword while standing on a toilet filled with its own feces. And yes, that's an ad-hominem attack, but I am much, much better at it than you.

This is entirely accurate.

[Seran]

38 min 47 seconds in the video. Well before anything about his gofundme.

You're full of shit. You are straight up lying.

Dreaven clearly doesn't understand that benefitting under false or fabricated pretenses is fraud. The fact this man fabricated a story, took it to the Right Wing conspiracy sites while promoting his GoFundme cause related to his fabrication is a clear case of fraud.

[Seran]

Almost as bad is the sheer irony that the Right is treating people like Rittenhouse, Stone and Manafort like martyrs for the cause for committing crimes on behalf of Republican causes.

[Blazar]

Again you and Blazar are having difficulty understanding what I'm saying.

Joe saying "Hey I'm a licensed plumber, I can fix your toilet" would be fraud if he's not really a licensed plumber.
Joe saying "Hey I have cancer, please give me money for my treatments" would be fraud if he doesn't spend the money on treatments.
Joe saying "Hey, Mr. Government Man, I own a business that was impacted by the hurricane, can I have relief?" would be fraud if Joe doesn't really own a business.

Joe merely saying "I have cancer and I am accepting donations" isn't fraud because Joe isn't soliciting funds FOR his cancer. This is a case of someone feeling sorry for Joe because he has cancer and deciding to give him money. That isn't Joe's fault.

If your friend comes to you and says he has fallen on hard times and you take it upon yourself to give him 5000 to get back on his feet, and it turns out he has two cars, a house, and has been taking expensive vacations every year, do you really think you can have your friend charged for fraud? Here's a hint: you can't.

However, if Joe was soliciting on a fund raising site, said he had cancer and asked for donations but he didn't really have cancer (notice how you dropped the lying part from your scenario? how convenient....), regardless of whether or not he specified what the money was for, would be considered fraud. This is because he has solicited donations under false pretenses, made someone feel sorry for him, even though what he said wasn't true. See how easy that is to understand? Well, probably not because you're really dumb. :moon:

And no, I don't think that Go Fund Me is the legal authority on fraud but since you're too dumb to understand, let me explain it to you. If you've ever worked for a corporation with a legal department you'd know that anything they post on a public web site is vetted by the legal department. If you've ever been involved in those conversations (I have) they go over everything with a fine tooth comb and generally don't allow misrepresentation. Now, combine that with the fact that in most cases, the company refers to it as "misuse" and not fraud, for them to post that on their site, after being vetted by lawyers, would indicate that they are probably basing that off the law. I could be wrong, but logic says I'm not.

Like I said, I'm going to trust the lawyer's interpretation and the legal team of a corporation over some chump on the internet that is going to go into withdrawals when he can't get his daily dose of cheeto spunk anymore because his narcissist idol lost. What a fucking loser you are with absolutely 0 common sense and a penchant for projecting his insecurity about his micro penis and closet homosexuality on others.

[Blazar]

Dreaven clearly doesn't understand that benefitting under false or fabricated pretenses is fraud. The fact this man fabricated a story, took it to the Right Wing conspiracy sites while promoting his GoFundme cause related to his fabrication is a clear case of fraud.

Dreaven clearly doesn't understand anything that isn't Trump bending him over and fucking any semblance of truth out of his pea-sized brain. He is the biggest waste of space I think I have ever encountered.

[time4fun]

Because it is very likely Biden was complicit in manipulating the votes in key battleground states "Mr. Unity." Michigan and Pennsylvania, at minimum, are horribly corrupt.

You are literally just making things up at this point- can you identify even a *hypothetical* mechanism through which Biden could do that?

I'll also point out that you're actually holding out hope that there's an authoritarian coup that overturns our democratic election. Just do everyone a favor and go move to Russia already. If you're this disdainful of democracy, then that's just going to be a much better place for you.

Finally- and this has been pointed out to you again and again- Republicans had a VERY good night on Tuesday. Funny how you're not accusing anyone of pro-GOP fraud. I guess the parts of those ballots that were for Biden are totally fraudulent, but all of those votes for Federal Congressional Republicans and State Legislators were totally fine, right?

The polls VERY clearly pointed to a Trump loss (he had about a 10% chance of winning) with a significant projected loss in popular vote, and they also showed House and Senate Dems doing amazingly well.

What actually happened was that Republicans, on the whole (and including Trump), moderately to significantly outperformed the polls. Trump just didn't outperform enough to get him into a second term. But the big point here is that the results of the election were literally the opposite of what you would expect if Democrats had somehow "stolen the election".

That's how little independent thought you're actually doing here. If you just took 5 minutes to ask yourself what the overall election results would look like had there been so massive Democratic voter fraud conspiracy, you'd realize that the election looked nothing like that.

[Tgo01]

Okay, my disciples, I appreciate you all are hungry for knowledge and seek answers from me, but I have instilled enough wisdom in your tiny minds for now.

Please look elsewhere for answers and never stop questioning!

[Solkern]

Just do everyone a favor and go move to Russia already. If you're this disdainful of democracy, then that's just going to be a much better place for you.


Sorry, even in Russia we have standards, they may be low but we still have them, we will pass on fortybox coming here, might I suggest China? They all wear tinfoil hats there... he would be welcomed with open arms... or possibly under a rock?

[Solkern]

Again you and Blazar are having difficulty understanding what I'm saying.

Joe saying "Hey I'm a licensed plumber, I can fix your toilet" would be fraud if he's not really a licensed plumber.
Joe saying "Hey I have cancer, please give me money for my treatments" would be fraud if he doesn't spend the money on treatments.
Joe saying "Hey, Mr. Government Man, I own a business that was impacted by the hurricane, can I have relief?" would be fraud if Joe doesn't really own a business.

Joe merely saying "I have cancer and I am accepting donations" isn't fraud because Joe isn't soliciting funds FOR his cancer. This is a case of someone feeling sorry for Joe because he has cancer and deciding to give him money. That isn't Joe's fault.

If your friend comes to you and says he has fallen on hard times and you take it upon yourself to give him 5000 to get back on his feet, and it turns out he has two cars, a house, and has been taking expensive vacations every year, do you really think you can have your friend charged for fraud? Here's a hint: you can't.

Even if joe has cancer, and is asking for donations not related to his cancer, you do understand that is false pretense right? He needs to specify what exactly he’s going to use the money for. Not I have cancer, give me money. It doesn’t work that way.
Comparing asking a friend for money, and going to a website to solicit donations is just laughable.

Do you really think Soliciting donations through a website, and asking a friend for money are really the same thing? Here’s a hint: they aren’t.

And on top of that if a friend lies to you about falling on hard times, to take your money... is false pretense and guess what? that is in fact a crime. A quick google search can verify it.

[Methais]

https://media1.tenor.com/images/70577dc32eae40cb875bf43c5753e639/tenor.gif?itemid=5137919

^ Actual footage of Bhaalizmo when he posts naked chicks.

[Solkern]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-law-firm-withdraws-pennsylvania-142734797.html

Trump law firm withdraws from Pennsylvania case challenging election

And another one bites the dust.

[Alfster]

They were getting a ton of blow back from their feeder schools, essentially no one will work for them.

[Bhaalizmo]

https://i.imgur.com/CZCW5jF.png

[Back]

https://i.imgur.com/CZCW5jF.png

Now we can all take off our masks since the Covid was just a hoax to get everyone to vote by mail because you can rig the election easier that way then close all the gas stations and give out free mushrooms and cupcakes.

[Bhaalizmo]

Now we can all take off our masks since the Covid was just a hoax to get everyone to vote by mail because you can rig the election easier that way then close all the gas stations and give out free mushrooms and cupcakes.

Why not free mushroom cupcakes?

[Solkern]

For years the Dems have been preaching how unsafe and rigged our elections have been. Now they are saying what a wonderful job the Trump Administration did in making 2020 the most secure election ever. Actually this is true, except for what the Democrats did. Rigged Election!
-Trump

Lol? I can’t believe he really just said that. Than again... it is Trump.. so I can believe it.


https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/trump-secure-election-rigged-182517109.html

Oh the responses to his tweet are gold.

[Taernath]

Narcissism, mental decline, or plain stupidity? Maybe a split. Jesus Christ.

[Methais]

For years the Dems have been preaching how unsafe and rigged our elections have been. Now they are saying what a wonderful job the Trump Administration did in making 2020 the most secure election ever. Actually this is true, except for what the Democrats did. Rigged Election!
-Trump

Lol? I can’t believe he really just said that. Than again... it is Trump.. so I can believe it.


https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/trump-secure-election-rigged-182517109.html

Oh the responses to his tweet are gold.

https://media1.tenor.com/images/6e82061a6d1ccfaaaa2ad4c95c230875/tenor.gif?itemid=14841107

[BriarFox]

I hope he does run again in 2024. It'll be comedic gold: "Where are my pants? The Democrats have stolen my pants, just like they stole the 2020 election!"

[Blazar]

For years the Dems have been preaching how unsafe and rigged our elections have been. Now they are saying what a wonderful job the Trump Administration did in making 2020 the most secure election ever. Actually this is true, except for what the Democrats did. Rigged Election!
-Trump

Lol? I can’t believe he really just said that. Than again... it is Trump.. so I can believe it.


https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/trump-secure-election-rigged-182517109.html

Oh the responses to his tweet are gold.

I seriously can't wait to see Tgo0Idiot try to tell us what Trump really meant. It's going to be imbecile translated into moron... always a great comical read!

https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/60836515.jpg

[Alfster]

I'm sure he'll praise all these safe guards that identified all of this fraud.

Nevermind that they have zero proof still. Haha.

[BriarFox]

I seriously can't wait to see Tgo0Idiot try to tell us what Trump really meant. It's going to be imbecile translated into moron... always a great comical read!

Did you forget? He has instilled enough wisdom in the minds of his disciples for now. Behold the fruits of his labors:

https://i.imgflip.com/4maq5f.jpg

[Astray]

https://i.imgur.com/CZCW5jF.png

Ooooof

[Blazar]

Did you forget? He has instilled enough wisdom in the minds of his disciples for now. Behold the fruits of his labors:

https://i.imgflip.com/4maq5f.jpg

Things Tgo has taught me (indirectly of course):

1. Fanaticism is bad. Like, really bad. They'll believe anything.
2. He is racist, and hates women.
3. Why incels are incels.
4. Miracles happen every day. While his brain function appears to be minimal, he remembers to breathe!
5. Roughly half of America belongs to a terrorist organization.

Plenty more but those are my favorite "lessons" from Tgo's school of stupid knocks.

Pretty sure I've been enlightened by some of my own farts more than I have been by this douche nozzle.

[Solkern]

Things Tgo has taught me (indirectly of course):

1. Fanaticism is bad. Like, really bad. They'll believe anything.
2. He is racist, and hates women.
3. Why incels are incels.
4. Miracles happen every day. While his brain function appears to be minimal, he remembers to breathe!
5. Roughly half of America belongs to a terrorist organization.

Plenty more but those are my favorite "lessons" from Tgo's school of stupid knocks.

Pretty sure I've been enlightened by some of my own farts more than I have been by this douche nozzle.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Blazar again.

[Seran]

We have won North Carolina.

Despite the Left’s best efforts to cause CHAOS and DELAY this Election, President Trump is gaining momentum in key battleground states.

Winning North Carolina is a HISTORIC achievement, but we can’t stop now.

President Trump is calling on his BEST supporters, like YOU, to ensure we have the resources to finish the fight. He needs YOU to step up and contribute to our critical Election Defense Fund.

I love how Trump's campaign is crowing about "momentum" as if the election hadn't already concluded with Biden becoming the President Elect. Congratulations Mr President you've won slightly more votes than the Hillary campaign did in 2016. It must be incredibly fulfilling to know you won North Carolina, but lost the country.

[Tgo01]

Even in my absence all my disciples can do is talk about me.

I knew I lived rent free in many minds of the PC, but I had no idea I owned entire apartment complexes in said minds.

[Methais]

I hope he does run again in 2024. It'll be comedic gold: "Where are my pants? The Democrats have stolen my pants, just like they stole the 2020 election!"

Imagine the butthurt from the left if he won though. time4fun would be so scared she'd have a heart attack and die immediately.

[Methais]

Did you forget? He has instilled enough wisdom in the minds of his disciples for now. Behold the fruits of his labors:

https://i.imgflip.com/4maq5f.jpg

There's only one zero in Tgo01.

Reported.

https://media1.tenor.com/images/59f338103063f0c10ee1163d48b4dd14/tenor.gif?itemid=17312786

[Methais]

I love how Trump's campaign is crowing about "momentum" as if the election hadn't already concluded with Biden becoming the President Elect. Congratulations Mr President you've won slightly more votes than the Hillary campaign did in 2016. It must be incredibly fulfilling to know you won North Carolina, but lost the country.

Hillary 2016: 65,844,610

Trump 2020: 72,447,798


I'd say that's a bit more than "slightly."

Counting is hard.

[Seran]

Hillary 2016: 65,844,610

Trump 2020: 72,447,798


I'd say that's a bit more than "slightly."

Counting is hard.

Electoral votes scunt.

[Parkbandit]

Even in my absence all my disciples can do is talk about me.

I knew I lived rent free in many minds of the PC, but I had no idea I owned entire apartment complexes in said minds.

There is literally nothing at all complex about their minds.

At all.

2 week old mashed potatoes have more common sense.

[Parkbandit]

Electoral votes scunt.

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/ConcernedPrestigiousLacewing-small.gif

[Taernath]

I hope he does run again in 2024. It'll be comedic gold: "Where are my pants? The Democrats have stolen my pants, just like they stole the 2020 election!"

Man, don't tempt fate. The Republicans would run a fuzzy dog turd if it polled as well internally as Trump, and Democrats would do everything in their power to run another milquetoast candidate, giving about a 50/50 chance of Fuzzy Dog Turd 2024.

[Solkern]

6 more lawsuits bite the dust. I think Trump has won, one? Maybe 2 out of the 7472937738283 lawsuits he’s filed? He’s definitely winning!

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/11/13/politics/pennsylvania-absentee-ballots-trump-campaign/index.html

Judges rule against Trump campaign in 6 Pennsylvania cases over absentee ballots

The Trump campaign had said in court that it wasn't alleging voting fraud in the cases -- just attempting to enforce the rules.

Tgo and fortybox are here screaming and crying voter fraud, but it’s funny... ALL(except Rudy Giuliani) of trump’s lawyers are saying no alleged voter fraud happened. It’s just too funny. I wonder why they aren’t working for Trump? They seem to know more than everyone else, including Trump’s own legal teams.

[Ardwen]

1 for 19, and the 1 is over votes that weren't counted in PA anyway as they were ordered sequestered until a decision was made on them. Another 6 I know of have been withdrawn, and 2 others have had major national Law Firms withdraw from them.

[Seran]

Can't really blame the firms for pulling out, none of them want to be associated with the infamy of a squatter president.

[Ardwen]

I think it is more the negative publicity they are getting for supporting the local GOP for trying to disenfranchise voters. And the whole getting laughed out of court for lack of evidence in all of the claims made so far.

[Solkern]

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/11/14/politics/rudy-giuliani-trump-lawsuits-2020-election/index.html

New York Times: Rudy Giuliani put in charge of Trump's election lawsuits after series of losses


Please... please let this be true... oh the comedy gold that would come would be spectacular.

[Methais]

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/11/14/politics/rudy-giuliani-trump-lawsuits-2020-election/index.html

New York Times: Rudy Giuliani put in charge of Trump's election lawsuits after series of losses


Please... please let this be true... oh the comedy gold that would come would be spectacular.

Borat will show up for this. Watch.

[Tgo01]

I kind of feel bad for my followers now, these threads are rather boring without me to spice up their lives for them.

I'll throw you all a bone: No matter what happens Trump is still your president for another 2+ months and a gameshow host will have been your president for 4 years and you can never change that fact. How does it feel?

[drauz]

I kind of feel bad for my followers now, these threads are rather boring without me to spice up their lives for them.

I'll throw you all a bone: No matter what happens Trump is still your president for another 2+ months and a gameshow host will have been your president for 4 years and you can never change that fact. How does it feel?

https://media1.tenor.com/images/848971f4a58150469ef2bbbf5523aac9/tenor.gif

[Taernath]

I kind of feel bad for my followers now, these threads are rather boring without me to spice up their lives for them.

I'll throw you all a bone: No matter what happens Trump is still your president for another 2+ months and a gameshow host will have been your president for 4 years and you can never change that fact. How does it feel?

I mean, it's ending so I feel pretty good. What a bizarre statement.

[Tgo01]

Here comes the butthurt! It's so easy.

[Tgo01]

I mean, it's ending so I feel pretty good. What a bizarre statement.

You always knew Trump's presidency was ending someday yet you still lost your mind for the past 4 years and downplayed leftist violence and overhyped right wing violence. What a bizarre statement.

[Taernath]

Here comes the butthurt! It's so easy.

Trump lost. If anything I am experiencing buttpleasure.

[Neveragain]

They will have to find a new Goldstein.

[Bhaalizmo]

^ Actual footage of Methais when Bhaalizmo posts naked chicks.

Fixt

[drauz]

I mean, it's ending so I feel pretty good. What a bizarre statement.

The amount of butthurt he's feeling is off the charts. He had to take a few mental health days after the results were in. It looks like it's finally dawning on him that Trump did indeed lose. He'll just parrot the whole "stolen election" thing for 4 years.

[Tgo01]

Biden's brown shirts attacking Trump supporters and kicking this man in the head while he's on the ground. (https://www.breitbart.com/law-and-order/2020/11/14/leftists-mob-stomps-on-head-of-trump-supporter-in-dc-rally/)

Democrats: Doesn't matter! Our side won because we downplayed the shit out of political violence because we realize our candidates are such shit that this is the only way we can win!

Pathetic. All of y'all.

If only this guy had a gun and started shooting his violent attackers, then he would have been arrested for murder and people like Taernath would be calling for this man's head for not just taking the kicks to the head!

[drauz]

Biden's brown shirts attacking Trump supporters and kicking this man in the head while he's on the ground. (https://www.breitbart.com/law-and-order/2020/11/14/leftists-mob-stomps-on-head-of-trump-supporter-in-dc-rally/)

Democrats: Doesn't matter! Our side won because we downplayed the shit out of political violence because we realize our candidates are such shit that this is the only way we can win!

Pathetic. All of y'all.

If only this guy had a gun and started shooting his violent attackers, then he would have been arrested for murder and people like Taernath would be calling for this man's head for not just taking the kicks to the head!

I love how you neglect to mention his pushing and assaulting a guy to the ground after his buddy stole his megaphone. Then goes around pushing a couple women. Not saying it was ok for him to get stomped on but this wasn't a saint by any stretch of the imagination. Its like you didn't even watch the whole video and just jumped to the moment the article tells you to so you can avoid seeing that he started and instigated the confrontation.

What a biased piece of shit article, what shitty journalism.

[Tgo01]

Not saying it was ok for him to get stomped on

Sure sounds like what you're saying.

[drauz]

Sure sounds like what you're saying.

I don't have a lot of sympathy for a guy helping someone steal then assaulting multiple people and then gets decked.

[beldannon5]

The amount of butthurt he's feeling is off the charts. He had to take a few mental health days after the results were in. It looks like it's finally dawning on him that Trump did indeed lose. He'll just parrot the whole "stolen election" thing for 4 years.

Well Democrats and TDS folks took 4 years of mental health days. Just saying.

[Tgo01]

Several videos here of Biden's brownshirts attacking Trump supporters on the street and at restaurants, including shoving an elderly lady to the ground. (https://www.breitbart.com/border/2020/11/14/watch-antifa-accosts-women-children-elderly-and-restaurant-goers-after-maga-march/)

I'm sure drauz has some excuse for why each and every single Trump supporter had it coming. Or perhaps he'll pull a time4fun and say since Breitbart is reporting on it that means this is all fake news and the videos are deepfakes.

[drauz]

Several videos here of Biden's brownshirts attacking Trump supporters on the street and at restaurants, including shoving an elderly lady to the ground. (https://www.breitbart.com/border/2020/11/14/watch-antifa-accosts-women-children-elderly-and-restaurant-goers-after-maga-march/)

I'm sure drauz has some excuse for why each and every single Trump supporter had it coming. Or perhaps he'll pull a time4fun and say since Breitbart is reporting on it that means this is all fake news and the videos are deepfakes.

There were very fine people on both sides.

[Tgo01]

Tens of thousands of Democrats protest in the streets, few wearing masks.
Democrats:

Tens of thousands of Democrats riot and burn down cities.
Democrats:

Thousands of Democrats dance in the street after the election, very few wearing masks and even passing around a champagne bottle for everyone to drink out of.
Democrats:

Thousands of Trump supporters hold a rally in DC.
Democrats: OMG! They are spreading the virus and killing people!!111!! They are literally murderers!!11!!

I don't get it, if Democrats are immune to the virus then why don't they all go to work and do our grocery shopping and pay Republicans to stay home? Instead Democrats want to sit at home (except when they leave their house to riot and loot stores) and expect Republicans to go to work and pay them to stay at home and riot. So weird how that works.

Just remember why you all became Democrats: because being a Democrat means never having to make sense and never taking responsibility for your actions.

[drauz]

Just remember why you all became Democrats: because being a Democrat means never having to make sense and never taking responsibility for your actions.

Since we're going with fantasy reasons:

Just remember why you all became Republicans: because joining the KKK was no longer fashionable

bUt ThE dEmOcRaTs aRe ThE RaCiStS incoming

[drauz]

https://twitter.com/mattgertz/status/1327716309782695936

Sign at million maga march reads:

Coming for Blacks and Indians first, welcome to the new world order.

[Tgo01]

I personally can't wait until the US starts bombing brown and Muslim countries again and watching as the PC leftists do their best interpretation of crickets because a Democrat is ordering the bombing.

4 years and no new wars and troop withdrawals from other countries and the most leftists could bitch about is the US killing a legit terrorist and war monger because Trump had the audacity to order an air strike in Iraq against their coveted Iranian terror regime. Hopefully Biden removes all sanctions from Iran too so we can really see the terror ramp up in Muslim countries, you know those people Democrats pretend to care so much about right around election time?

[Wrathbringer]

https://twitter.com/mattgertz/status/1327716309782695936

Sign at million maga march reads:

Coming for Blacks and Indians first, welcome to the new world order.

Please. Black and Indian communities are already being destroyed by leftist policies and they're already destroying themselves via abortion, alcohol and drugs. Why would anyone need to come for them?

Edit: You're retarded.

[Tgo01]

https://twitter.com/mattgertz/status/1327716309782695936

Sign at million maga march reads:

Coming for Blacks and Indians first, welcome to the new world order.

The pearl clutching from drauz is unreal.

Cities being burned down by BLM and Antifa? drauz sleeps.

Trump supporters being beaten and murdered in the streets? drauz sleeps.

Democrats dancing in the streets by the thousands and sharing champagne bottles during a global pandemic? drauz sleeps.

Antifa and BLM terrorizing people while they sleep in their homes, eat at restaurants, or just minding their own business walking down the street? drauz sleeps.

Literally a sign. drauz: REAL SHIT!

[Tgo01]

The pearl clutching from drauz is unreal.

Cities being burned down by BLM and Antifa? drauz sleeps.

Trump supporters being beaten and murdered in the streets? drauz sleeps.

Democrats dancing in the streets by the thousands and sharing champagne bottles during a global pandemic? drauz sleeps.

Antifa and BLM terrorizing people while they sleep in their homes, eat at restaurants, or just minding their own business walking down the street? drauz sleeps.

Literally a sign. drauz: REAL SHIT!

Oh yeah, how could I forget these gems from drauz?


Democrats are now demanding congress defund Walter Reed after treating Trump for COVID. (https://www.theblaze.com/news/jennifer-rubin-defund-walter-reed)

You can't even make this shit up. Democrats are a bunch of degenerate ghouls.


So just the one person? Why should I care?


I also don't care when people say the world is flat and thats an actual movement.

Now if it starts to pick up steam and they try to base legislation based on it, sure I'll care. Otherwise it's just people puffing out their chest on social media, nothing new.

And:


Yes that's the former CEO of Twitter openly bragging on Twitter about how he wants to line up his political opponents against a wall and have them all shot while he "happily" provides video commentary. Sounds like you two could be pals!


Why should I care what he thinks?

So to recap:

Democrats call to defund a hospital because they treated Trump. drauz: Just one person? Why should I care? It's just someone puffing out their chest.
Multi-millionaire Democrat and former CEO of Twitter calls for lining up his political opponents against a wall and having them all shot. drauz: Why should I care what he thinks?

Random person, which drauz has no clue what the person's name is or if they are even a man or woman, holds a sign. drauz: REAL SHIT!

How embarrassing.

[Ardwen]

Starts bombing them again? We have never stopped, US has been using smart weapons in Africa for the entire Trump administration and is providing our so called allies pretty much every sort of munition to dump on Yemen. We are even at the point where we will have exported the ability to create smart bombs to the Saudis.

[Tgo01]

Starts bombing them again? We have never stopped, US has been using smart weapons in Africa for the entire Trump administration and is providing our so called allies pretty much every sort of munition to dump on Yemen. We are even at the point where we will have exported the ability to create smart bombs to the Saudis.

"So called allies."

Oh goodie! The Democrats are already back to sucking Iran's dick and calling for worse ties with Saudi Arabia. This form the party who has bitched about Trump being a meanie head to our allies for the past 4 years by asking them to pay more for their own defense.

Also is this really your preemptive argument for why you're totally going to be cool with Democrats expanding our wars and bombing campaigns? Because Trump continued the bombing campaigns already put into place by Obama but didn't increase them nor start any new wars unlike Obama?

[Ardwen]

Odd, at what point did I say I am okay with starting wars? Are you okay with selling tens of billions in modern high tech weapons and the technology to build smart weapons to the nations where the vast majority of non-American terrorists that have attacked America have come from?

[Tgo01]

Odd, at what point did I say I am okay with starting wars?

Your lack of caring when Biden starts any wars will be when you said you're okay with Biden starting wars.

Let's get real, you didn't complain a single time when Obama was starting wars and dropping Nobel peace bombs on Muslims faster than we could produce them.

[Ardwen]

Weird, how would you know what I complained about? Do you follow my postings and emailings outside of this board? You seem to think Trump isn't bombing people in Africa and the Middle East, the only difference between this admin and the previous ones is there was actual news briefings held about events in the white house, instead of Campaign events where they seem to spend the day lying about crowd sizes.

[drauz]

The pearl clutching from drauz is unreal.

Cities being burned down by BLM and Antifa? drauz sleeps.

Trump supporters being beaten and murdered in the streets? drauz sleeps.

Democrats dancing in the streets by the thousands and sharing champagne bottles during a global pandemic? drauz sleeps.

Antifa and BLM terrorizing people while they sleep in their homes, eat at restaurants, or just minding their own business walking down the street? drauz sleeps.

Literally a sign. drauz: REAL SHIT!

You seem pretty upset and defensive about me just posting an video from FOX news.

That hit a little to close to home for you?

[Solkern]

You seem pretty upset and defensive about me just posting an video from FOX news.

That hit a little to close to home for you?

Drauz, Be best! He’s still an emotional train wreck from Trump losing.

[Solkern]

Borat will show up for this. Watch.

He’s going to be announced as Giuliani’s lead prosecutor. His main task isn’t about voter fraud, it’s finding proof he was really tucking in his shirt. I sense a conflict of interest, and he’ll be forced to recuse himself.

[Parkbandit]

Weird, how would you know what I complained about? Do you follow my postings and emailings outside of this board? You seem to think Trump isn't bombing people in Africa and the Middle East, the only difference between this admin and the previous ones is there was actual news briefings held about events in the white house, instead of Campaign events where they seem to spend the day lying about crowd sizes.

What? He's saying you made no mention of your issues with bombing the Middle East when Obama was President on this message board.

[Parkbandit]

I think we can all agree.. there is a remarkable difference between a BLM/Antifa "peaceful protest" and a MAGA protest.. in terms of property damage, injuries, arrests, deaths, etc...

[Solkern]

I think we can all agree.. there is a remarkable difference between a BLM/Antifa "peaceful protest" and a MAGA protest.. in terms of property damage, injuries, arrests, deaths, etc...

Including the cause for the unrest.. like racial discrimination, racial profiling, police brutality etc. etc.. one of these protest is a cause for real concern and injustice, the other is because their guy lost.

[drauz]

I think we can all agree.. there is a remarkable difference between a BLM/Antifa "peaceful protest" and a MAGA protest.. in terms of property damage, injuries, arrests, deaths, etc...

I actually went down there and checked it out, I don't know if anything escalated overnight like it did Friday, but it was indeed very peaceful.

[Parkbandit]

Including the cause for the unrest.. like racial discrimination, racial profiling, police brutality etc. etc.. one of these protest is a cause for real concern and injustice, the other is because their guy lost.

https://media1.tenor.com/images/7828c67cd002bd839432c0c202bf69d1/tenor.gif?itemid=8111536

I'm just glad we're almost at the time again where BLM goes away until the next election cycle.

[Neveragain]

https://media1.tenor.com/images/7828c67cd002bd839432c0c202bf69d1/tenor.gif?itemid=8111536

I'm just glad we're almost at the time again where BLM goes away until the next election cycle.

I'm guessing around July or August of 2022 they will make a brief appearance and then go back into hibernation for 2 more years.....they are like locusts.

[~Rocktar~]

Including the cause for the unrest.. like racial discrimination, racial profiling, police brutality etc. etc.. one of these protest is a cause for real concern and injustice, the other is because their guy lost.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA You actually think any of that has anything to do with the cause of BLM and Antifa unrest. And you call me stupid and insane. HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

[time4fun]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA You actually think any of that has anything to do with the cause of BLM and Antifa unrest. And you call me stupid and insane. HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

You are both stupid and insane. You're stuck in an endless feedback loop of fake news sites and detachment from reality.

Consequently, you are virtually always wrong.

[Gelston]

You are both stupid and insane. You're stuck in an endless feedback loop of fake news sites and detachment from reality.

Consequently, you are virtually always wrong.

The pot is being extra mean to the kettle today.

[Solkern]

call me stupid and insane.

I and many others already do.

[Bhaalizmo]

and you call me stupid and insane

Yeah, you're real fuckin dumb and you prove it with every word.

[Back]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA You actually think any of that has anything to do with the cause of BLM and Antifa unrest. And you call me stupid and insane. HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

Can you explain who you think BLM is and what you think is the cause of their protests? Then can you explain who you think Antifa is and what their goals are?

Here is your chance to enlighten the rest of us.

[ClydeR]

Four facts and one opinion you should know..

Fact. The Trump campaign raised a prenominal amount of money after Trump declared his 2020 candidacy on January 20, 2017.

Fact. The money disappeared before it was needed most at the end, causing the Trump campaign to cancel advertising in midwestern states in the last month of the campaign, at the same time the Biden campaign increased its spending in those crucial states.

Fact. The Trump campaign ended broke, needing additional funds to pay off its debts.

Fact. Funds currently being raised to challenge the vote count will go into the campaign and can be used to pay off unrelated campaign debts.

Opinion. Trump is not trying to overturn the election results. He is too smart to believe he has any chance to win lawsuits reversing the vote counts in at least three different states, which he would have to do to win.






Much of the money raised by Stepien and the Trump campaign won’t go towards challenging election results, however, but to help set the stage for the president’s next act. The Trump campaign has a recount fund, but the money won’t go to it unless someone gives more than $8,333. Rather, 60 percent of a donation up to that amount for Trump’s “Official Election Defense Fund” is routed to a new PAC started this week by the president that can pay for a wide range of activities — but is likely legally barred from spending on recounts, lawyers say. The remaining 40 percent goes to the Republican National Committee, which is allowed — but not required to — spend on the recount. Prior to Tuesday, the majority of a donation went to helping Trump’s campaign cover its debt.

More... (https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/12/trump-fraud-claims-fundraising-436188)

Want to contribute $10 to help Trump win a recount? If so, you're a bigger sucker than Trump thinks fallen soldiers were.

Why did it take the media so long to understand what I posted about here a week ago?

[Solkern]

Can you explain who you think BLM is and what you think is the cause of their protests? Then can you explain who you think Antifa is and what their goals are?

Here is your chance to enlighten the rest of us.

Enlighten was the wrong choice of words.

[Parkbandit]

Enlighten was the wrong choice of words.

Exactly. That would suggest that you and Backlash have the ability to learn.

That has never been demonstrated on this forum.

Ever.

[Back]

Enlighten was the wrong choice of words.

Its really sad actually. I know intellectually that the Trump supporters who believe every lie he tells is a small percentage of average republicans. But what I see here and on teevee is disheartening none the less.

It would be interesting to trace back the "don't trust the mainstream media" movement. Because here we are with people who refuse to accept anything but what is in their own feeds. A woman at the protest in DC yesterday actually said she does not watch anything other than her YouTube channels. She gets all of her news from "independent" sources. This poor woman has been convinced that no one else in the world is telling the truth. The only people who are telling the truth are actually lying to her.

It goes along with not trusting scientists, educators, journalists, or anyone who counters their fictional narrative. The only truth comes from their leaders. Their leaders have convinced them that everyone is out to get them and that they alone will protect them.

It breaks my heart to see good people manipulated this way. What I wonder is why are they so eager to latch on to that narrative? Trump and the republicans have been exploiting people like this for years and continue to this day. We all know Biden won and there is no fraud yet these guys are still trying to hammer that narrative knowing full well there are people who will believe that falsehood simply because it is coming from their mouths and not the main stream media that they have convinced them is lying to them.

If we can figure out why people fall for this shit maybe we can help protect them from it.

[Parkbandit]

Its really sad actually. I know intellectually that the Trump supporters who believe every lie he tells is a small percentage of average republicans. But what I see here and on teevee is disheartening none the less.

It would be interesting to trace back the "don't trust the mainstream media" movement. Because here we are with people who refuse to accept anything but what is in their own feeds. A woman at the protest in DC yesterday actually said she does not watch anything other than her YouTube channels. She gets all of her news from "independent" sources. This poor woman has been convinced that no one else in the world is telling the truth. The only people who are telling the truth are actually lying to her.

It goes along with not trusting scientists, educators, journalists, or anyone who counters their fictional narrative. The only truth comes from their leaders. Their leaders have convinced them that everyone is out to get them and that they alone will protect them.

It breaks my heart to see good people manipulated this way. What I wonder is why are they so eager to latch on to that narrative? Trump and the republicans have been exploiting people like this for years and continue to this day. We all know Biden won and there is no fraud yet these guys are still trying to hammer that narrative knowing full well there are people who will believe that falsehood simply because it is coming from their mouths and not the main stream media that they have convinced them is lying to them.

If we can figure out why people fall for this shit maybe we can help protect them from it.

https://media1.tenor.com/images/8fc147160db9b022e6511c483fae15dc/tenor.gif?itemid=7685212

[Solkern]

Exactly. That would suggest that you and Backlash have the ability to learn.

That has never been demonstrated on this forum.

Ever.

Says the person that doesn’t know what jet lag is. You should really just go sit in the corner, you just keep embarrassing yourself.. consistently..

[Parkbandit]

Says the person that doesn’t know what jet lag is. You should really just go sit in the corner, you just keep embarrassing yourself.. consistently..

I want you actively posting and proving to everyone you're just not a smart individual.

It makes normal people say "Well, at least I'm not Solkern stupid"

[Solkern]

I want you actively posting and proving to everyone you're just not a smart individual.

It makes normal people say "Well, at least I'm not Solkern stupid"

I think you are jet lagged, maybe you should go back and tell us again, how Trump brought peace to the Middle East some more. Continue to “enlighten“ us with your stupidity. It’s cute.

After you do that, follow it up with another BUT BUT BUT OBAMA! Trump did more than Obama!

[Parkbandit]

I think you are jet lagged, maybe you should go back and tell us again, how Trump brought peace to the Middle East some more. Continue to “enlighten“ us with your stupidity. It’s cute.

After you do that, follow it up with another BUT BUT BUT OBAMA! Trump did more than Obama!

I have a feeling you are about to whip out the "You don't even travel abroad like I do" "insult" again.. aren't you?

Ok, I'm ready for it!

[Solkern]

I have a feeling you are about to whip out the "You don't even travel abroad like I do" "insult" again.. aren't you?

Ok, I'm ready for it!

But but but Obama!! Trump brought peace to the Middle East!! Tell us more PB! We want to hear all the amazing things Trump really didn’t do!! Enlighten us with more bullshit!

[Parkbandit]

But but but Obama!! Trump brought peace to the Middle East!! Tell us more PB! We want to hear all the amazing things Trump really didn’t do!! Enlighten us with more bullshit!

Tell us again how the Republicans boycotted Obama's first inauguration again... and even provided "proof" they did?

I loved that story of failure.

[Solkern]

Tell us again how the Republicans boycotted Obama's first inauguration again... and even provided "proof" they did?

I loved that story of failure.

What’s wrong PB?! Another but but but?! Another deflection?! Why can’t you tell us more about Trump bringing peace to the Middle East?!

[Tgo01]

You seem pretty upset and defensive about me just posting an video from FOX news.

That hit a little to close to home for you?

Why do you care what he thinks? Does he affect policy change?

[Solkern]

My life and all my arguments regarding Trump.

I loved that story of failure.

Yes, we all do too, don’t disappoint us, keep it coming!

[Parkbandit]

Yes, I have a mental disability and a very low IQ but I travel abroad and you don't!

Ok?

[Solkern]

I wish I could formulate a cohesive thought backed by fact but sadly I just lack the ability. So I just do what the big kids did to me, insult others.

We know, we know.. and it’s ok, we accept you and your faults.

I’m still waiting for you to explain how Trump brought peace to the Middle East.
But we already know, you won’t answer, you’ll deflect, and throw in an insult. Same cycle.

[Tgo01]

Is there anyone more annoying than Solkern?

He's like the annoying little brother that won't shut up so the older brothers let him play with an unplugged controller so he can think he's participating.

[Solkern]

Is there anyone more annoying than Solkern?

He's like the annoying little brother that won't shut up so the older brothers let him play with an unplugged controller so he can think he's participating.

Projecting much? You should look in the mirror, that’s how everyone feels about your non-stop conspiracy theories.

Tell us more about the wide spread massive voter fraud please.

[Parkbandit]

OH YEA!? WELL THE REPUBLICANS BOYCOTTED OBAMA'S FIRST INAUGURATION AND I HAVE PROOF! WELL IT'S NOT ACTUALLY PROOF, BUT I HAVE A FRIEND WHO SAID IT ONCE AND HERE IS THEIR CONVERSATION WITH ME! EVERYONE KNOWS ACEDOTAL EVIDENCE IS THE STRONGEST OF ALL EVIDENCE! ALSO, NO ONE TRAVELS MORE THAN ME SO THERE! ALSO I'M NOT ACTUALLY RETARDED, I'M JUST ON THE SPECTRUM!

Ok.

[Solkern]

Look at me! I’m triggered, because I’m an idiot and got called out on my stupid shit!

And there’s the deflection, and insult. So predictable. Not surprised, it’s common in simple-minded triggered idiots.

[Tgo01]

Projecting much? You should look in the mirror, that’s how everyone feels about your non-stop conspiracy theories.

Tell us more about the wide spread massive voter fraud please.

Shh shh shh! It's okay. Here you go:

https://i5.walmartimages.com/asr/2e3eb69a-7d2c-4d74-b444-3d22b94d536e_1.39c06953096c9a32520754e78871b634.jp eg?odnWidth=612&odnHeight=612&odnBg=ffffff

See? You're participating!

[Solkern]

look at me, trying to get involved!

Looks like you’re the little brother, trying to get involved. It’s cute! You should stop projecting, it’s bad on you.

[Tgo01]

Looks like you’re the little brother, trying to get involved. It’s cute! You should stop projecting, it’s bad on you.

That's two "NOU!" posts in a row.

Pee-wee Herman, everybody! Just don't get caught jacking off in an adult movie theater.

[Bhaalizmo]

Is there anyone more annoying than Solkern?

You've got my vote Sparky.

[Solkern]

That's two "NOU!" posts in a row.

Pee-wee Herman, everybody! Just don't get caught jacking off in an adult movie theater.

Awww Tgo still triggered Trump lost? Shouldn’t you be busy trying to find all that voter fraud and sharing it here? We are waiting!

[Tgo01]

Awww Tgo still triggered Trump lost? Shouldn’t you be busy trying to find all that voter fraud and sharing it here? We are waiting!

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcSIohb-guZShkRtQ7Jki6rvmu4nPDo9IRWC-A&usqp=CAU

[drauz]

Why do you care what he thinks? Does he affect policy change?

https://i0.wp.com/media.giphy.com/media/R51a8oAH7KwbS/giphy.gif?resize=245%2C210&ssl=1

[leifastagsweed]

Pee-wee Herman, everybody! Just don't get caught jacking off in an adult movie theater.

Kinda like Guiliani, except in an actual movie?

[Tgo01]

https://i0.wp.com/media.giphy.com/media/R51a8oAH7KwbS/giphy.gif?resize=245%2C210&ssl=1

Why do you care what one person thinks?

[Solkern]

https://i0.wp.com/media.giphy.com/media/R51a8oAH7KwbS/giphy.gif?resize=245%2C210&ssl=1
You shouldn’t ask him rhetorical questions. He won’t get it... cause well he’s stupid.

[~Rocktar~]

You are both stupid and insane. You're stuck in an endless feedback loop of fake news sites and detachment from reality.

Consequently, you are virtually always wrong.

Ok time4MPDcuntiness.

[Methais]

I am experiencing buttpleasure.

https://media2.giphy.com/media/jUwpNzg9IcyrK/source.gif

[Methais]

You are both stupid and insane. You're stuck in an endless feedback loop of fake news sites and detachment from reality.

Consequently, you are virtually always wrong.

Example #984723472390 of time4fun having absolutely no self-awareness.

[Methais]

Projecting much? You should look in the mirror, that’s how everyone feels about your non-stop conspiracy theories.

Tell us more about the wide spread massive voter fraud please.

He's right though. You know that I have no personal beef with you, but your posting style, at least in the politics folder, is extremely annoying and comes across like a 13-year-old girl who lives for boy bands and hanging out at the mall.

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/079/200/e44.gif

[Solkern]

He's right though. You know that I have no personal beef with you, but your posting style, at least in the politics folder, is extremely annoying and comes across like a 13-year-old girl who lives for boy bands and hanging out at the mall.

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/079/200/e44.gif

It’s cause I’m trolling them, like they troll others. It’s annoying right? Maybe they might understand that’s exactly how they come across.

[Tgo01]

It’s cause I’m trolling them, like they troll others. It’s annoying right? Maybe they might understand that’s exactly how they come across.

Of course. The old “jokes on them, I was only pretending to be retarded” routine.

[Solkern]

Of course. The old “jokes on them, I was only pretending to be retarded” routine.

Sad part is Tgo, you don’t need to pretend, we all know you are retarded.

Find any massive voter fraud yet?! We are still waiting inspector gadget!! Show us how the Dems stole this election with the mountains of proof!

[time4fun]

He's right though. You know that I have no personal beef with you, but your posting style, at least in the politics folder, is extremely annoying and comes across like a 13-year-old girl who lives for boy bands and hanging out at the mall.

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/079/200/e44.gif

Have you met you?

[Tgo01]

Sad part is Tgo, you don’t need to pretend, we all know you are retarded.

Find any massive voter fraud yet?! We are still waiting inspector gadget!! Show us how the Dems stole this election with the mountains of proof!

Christ, man, log off from the PC for a change and get some air.

[Methais]

Shh shh shh! It's okay. Here you go:

https://i5.walmartimages.com/asr/2e3eb69a-7d2c-4d74-b444-3d22b94d536e_1.39c06953096c9a32520754e78871b634.jp eg?odnWidth=612&odnHeight=612&odnBg=ffffff

See? You're participating!

I wanna play Goldeneye now.

https://media4.giphy.com/media/dBsFq055TLornhVAKV/giphy.gif

[Methais]

It’s cause I’m trolling them, like they troll others. It’s annoying right? Maybe they might understand that’s exactly how they come across.

You're kind of accidentally trolling yourself in the process.

[Methais]

Have you met you?

Have you acquired even a shred of anything resembling minimal self-awareness?

Of course not. Which isn't surprising, as long term exposure to sniffing your own farts will have that effect, according to THIS STUDY BY NASA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0doSWS0Fj24)

[Parkbandit]

It’s cause I’m trolling them, like they troll others. It’s annoying right? Maybe they might understand that’s exactly how they come across.

lol.

"JK GUIS! I'm not really this fucking stupid"

[drauz]

I wanna play Goldeneye now.

https://media4.giphy.com/media/dBsFq055TLornhVAKV/giphy.gif

I liked Perfect Dark more.

[Methais]

I liked Perfect Dark more.

I never got around to playing it, therefore Goldeneye is better by default.

Fuck Oddjob regardless though. He can drown in a sea of herpes dicks.

[Gelston]

I never got around to playing it, therefore Goldeneye is better by default.

Fuck Oddjob regardless though. He can drown in a sea of herpes dicks.

I used to always shoot him in the head more easily. Oddjob was never a problem.

[Tgo01]

During Georgia's recount one county found 2600 ballots that were "mistakenly" not counted the first time and wouldn't you know it? The ballots broke in Trump's favor giving him a net of 800 more votes. That's around 5% of Biden's lead in the state, all in just one county.

[Neveragain]

During Georgia's recount one county found 2600 ballots that were "mistakenly" not counted the first time and wouldn't you know it? The ballots broke in Trump's favor giving him a net of 800 more votes. That's around 5% of Biden's lead in the state, all in just one county.

A part of me wants this to get turned over, not because I so much want Trump to win but rather, it would be one of the most historic moments in American history.

Not that I have any hopes.

[Tgo01]

During Georgia's recount one county found 2600 ballots that were "mistakenly" not counted the first time and wouldn't you know it? The ballots broke in Trump's favor giving him a net of 800 more votes. That's around 5% of Biden's lead in the state, all in just one county.

Holy shit, a second county has found more ballots that weren't counted.

This time almost 2800 ballots which again broke in Trump's favor giving him another net votes of about 500.

In just these 2 counties we are already looking at a net gain for Trump of about 1300 votes. Keep in mind in the Florida election fiasco of 2000 Bush's lead fell by about 1247 votes after the recounts AND counting overseas votes and whatnot, and that was for the entire state of Florida.

So far in 2 counties in Georgia we are looking at roughly the same number. I can't wait to see if more counties "forgot" to include ballots that just so happened to swing in Trump's favor.

[Tgo01]

I also find it funny how the "experts" were so sure Democrats were going to add to their numbers in the House, take over the Senate, and win the presidency.

Even if they manage to cheat their way into the White House and Senate, their margins in the House and Senate are going to be so slim that no one will be able to join Biden's cabinet.

Joe would have to pick Senators from like California or Washington state, where he can be sure a Democrat governor will quickly replace them with a Democrat.

[Alfster]

Lol

[Tgo01]

Holy shit, a second county has found more ballots that weren't counted.

This time almost 2800 ballots which again broke in Trump's favor giving him another net votes of about 500.

In just these 2 counties we are already looking at a net gain for Trump of about 1300 votes. Keep in mind in the Florida election fiasco of 2000 Bush's lead fell by about 1247 votes after the recounts AND counting overseas votes and whatnot, and that was for the entire state of Florida.

So far in 2 counties in Georgia we are looking at roughly the same number. I can't wait to see if more counties "forgot" to include ballots that just so happened to swing in Trump's favor.

A THIRD county has found ballots that weren't previously counted, this time 284 ballots, 225 of which were for Trump.

And people like Alfter won't care because he's happy as long as Trump loses. Ain't that right, retard boy?

[Seran]

A THIRD county has found ballots that weren't previously counted, this time 284 ballots, 225 of which were for Trump.

And people like Alfter won't care because he's happy as long as Trump loses. Ain't that right, retard boy?

Trump is screaming about not counting ballots and yet his operatives are planting new ballots all of to try and actually steal an election.

[Tgo01]

Trump is screaming about not counting ballots and yet his operatives are planting new ballots all of to try and actually steal an election.

This takes Trump Derangement Syndrome to a whole new level. Holy shit.

[Seran]

Says the guy denying the legitimate results of the 2020 election

[Seran]

https://youtu.be/MMP9dXSozFU

[Tgo01]

Says the guy denying the legitimate results of the 2020 election

So you don't think audits or recounts are part of legitimizing the results of an election?

Okay, buddy retard.

[Gelston]

President Trump has fired Chris Krebs, the administration’s senior-most official in charge of election cybersecurity. Krebs, a highly respected security expert, was among the officials who came out and called the election the “most secure in American history,” directly contradicting the president’s false claims that it was “stolen.”

[Neveragain]

his operatives are planting new ballots


Says the guy denying the legitimate results of the 2020 election

https://media.tenor.com/images/ec92a0ea41784a19348bf9df70ac141c/tenor.gif

[Methais]

A part of me wants this to get turned over, not because I so much want Trump to win but rather, it would be one of the most historic moments in American history.

Not that I have any hopes.

I just wanna see the retards on here have the biggest meltdowns in meltdown history.

Bhaalizmo would probably go to Simucon and start shooting people.

[Methais]

Trump is screaming about not counting ballots and yet his operatives are planting new ballots all of to try and actually steal an election.

If Backlash and Androidpk had a kid together, it would be you.

https://media2.giphy.com/media/L8XuphFGqlSfe/200.gif

[Neveragain]

I just wanna see the retards on here have the biggest meltdowns in meltdown history.

Bhaalizmo would probably go to Simucon and start shooting people.

It would be epic.

[Solkern]

hey guys, this is a photo that 100% represents me

https://i.imgur.com/rFanwVW.jpg

Oh, and I’m still waiting for you to back up your claim. How did the Trump admin bring peace to the Middle East?

[drauz]

A THIRD county has found ballots that weren't previously counted, this time 284 ballots, 225 of which were for Trump.

And people like Alfter won't care because he's happy as long as Trump loses. Ain't that right, retard boy?

In these Republican counties? Must be those liberal snowflakes cheating!!!

https://i.imgur.com/aq3BjEP.png

[Parkbandit]

Trump is screaming about not counting ballots and yet his operatives are planting new ballots all of to try and actually steal an election.

Do you have any evidence that Trump operatives are planting new ballots?

[Parkbandit]

https://i.imgur.com/rFanwVW.jpg



I'm glad you've finally come to terms with how stupid you are.

Admitting you have a problem is the first step... but in your case, mental retardation has no cure.

But at least you admit it now.

[Taernath]

You'd think if these liberal superhackers had the ability to rig an election they'd do a better job of it.

[Methais]

https://i.imgur.com/rFanwVW.jpg

Oh, and I’m still waiting for you to back up your claim. How did the Trump admin bring peace to the Middle East?

I think you just accidentally trolled yourself again.

[Seran]

You'd think if these liberal superhackers had the ability to rig an election they'd do a better job of it.

With the support of China and the Mafia supposedly