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    Pause for a second here and think. You are trying to justify slavery. We had a literal war over ending it in this country. That doesn't really jive with our nation being the breakers of chains you're describing there.

    What better way can you think of to bring more people into the middle class than to use our tax dollars(that we're spending on endless wars and corrupt police) to provide for basic needs like health care, housing and food?

    I'm glad that you at least agree that our society needs to be lifted from the bottom, but I'm confused as to why you think providing a baseline standard of living for everyone is a bad way to do that. That's the goal of all the so-called-Marxist suggestions from the left in our country.



    Yes, I am absolutely discrediting his achievements. They were attained unethically, and many of his workers exist in nightmare conditions where they're forced to pee in bottles to make quotas. Capitalism inherently drives competition. That's a good thing about capitalism! However, without checks(labor laws and unions) in place, competition causes horrible conditions for workers like what we see in Bezos's warehouses and...basically every fast food joint in the nation.

    Yes, I still order from McDonald's and Amazon and yes that makes me a hypocrite, but we're not talking about whether or not I'm a piece of shit. I'll gladly pay increased taxes if it means we can have actual, strong social safety nets that force employers to give workers better conditions. However, I don't think increased taxes are necessary. Cut the military and police(oh my god defunding the police SO SCARY) budgets by half(THIS IS HYPERBOLE) and we can have all these things.
    I’m in no way justifying slavery. It was terrible and has had long lasting negative effects. That being said, the movie Roots is not an accurate historical documentary which is what you and many others have come to believe. What I’m saying is the idea you have about America exploiting minorities just so a bunch of fat capitalist pigs can stay rich is a false narrative. Slavery was not unique to the United States, and it is a fact that western nations ARE the reason it doesn’t exist widespread globally today. No other country on planet Earth has given people of all races/cultures/socioeconomic background the opportunity to improve the quality of their lives like America. Before you are so quick to judge America as Evil Imperialist Empire Inc., tell me where is your shining example of utopia in the world that’s more morally sound? You won’t be able to because human beings don’t just sit around a fire pit singing kumbaya in total peace & harmony…

    Yes you order from McDonalds and Amazon just like I do as well as many more millions like us. That’s why those people are rich. Do you deny that Amazon provides a good service and products at a competitive price? He is rewarded accordingly. And guess what…Jeff Bezos doesn’t owe you or me a god damn thing. Nor does our government. I say this to you not as an insult, but that way of thinking in which you are entitled to someone else’s property & achievements is the mind of a poor person. You can’t make the poor better off through wealth redistribution. You can only bring down the wealth of everyone else to achieve that so called economic equality. Give a homeless person today $100,000 and a year from today he will be no better off. Give that same person an education, opportunities, & means to achieve a better quality of life for themselves & their family and they can sustain that improvement if they have the will to do so.

    Serious question…why on earth do you want to rely on government (or anyone other than yourself) for better standards of living? Is it so trustworthy to you that you are willing to be their sheeple? Let’s be real…politicians are self serving assholes. Even if you do get everything you want, now government controls you. I don’t want that. I don’t need government to hold my hand.
    Last edited by Suppressed Poet; 02-13-2022 at 03:28 PM.

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