Quote Originally Posted by Whirlin View Post
It's an argument over intent, which I think we're at a complete impasse on. You're absolutely right, the delivery of his speeches were not accurate; they were a lie.

Whether or not it's actively him choosing to lie, one of his advisers actively deciding to tell a lie, which implies an active decision, versus not adequately researching, and not knowing the facts, which is passive.

Basically, perjury or negligence...
But there was plenty of reports.. even from places other than OMGFAUXNEWZ! that pointed out that many healthcare plans wouldn't comply with the regulations of the ACA and would obviously get dropped. Pointed out many times. You STILL have the President going on TV and making claims that if you like your healthcare plan, you can keep your healthcare plan. Period.?

It was a calculated gamble to move public opinion that didn't work then.. but is now biting them in the ass.. enough to have the President go on TV and say he's sorry.

The complexity comes in when considering that for it to be an active decision to lie, you have faith in him and the people he surrounds himself with in order to make the active decision, which supports his abilities as a leader. Whereas the passive alternative, which is generally considered a lesser impact by denotation, infers his inability as a leader and weak individuals surrounding him, and a lack of respect for him.
One would require you to suspend all reality of the situation and see the best in someone who has consistently been a poor leader, just because of a letter behind his name.