More Obamacare fuckups

[Latrinsorm]

But there was plenty of reports.. even from places other than OMGFAUXNEWZ! that pointed out that many healthcare plans wouldn't comply with the regulations of the ACA and would obviously get dropped. Pointed out many times. You STILL have the President going on TV and making claims that if you like your healthcare plan, you can keep your healthcare plan. Period.?

It was a calculated gamble to move public opinion that didn't work then.. but is now biting them in the ass.. enough to have the President go on TV and say he's sorry.

One would require you to suspend all reality of the situation and see the best in someone who has consistently been a poor leader, just because of a letter behind his name.

I hope we get an R President soon, I think it must be hard on you to be such a hypocrite.

[Whirlin]

But there was plenty of reports.. even from places other than OMGFAUXNEWZ! that pointed out that many healthcare plans wouldn't comply with the regulations of the ACA and would obviously get dropped. Pointed out many times. You STILL have the President going on TV and making claims that if you like your healthcare plan, you can keep your healthcare plan. Period.?

It was a calculated gamble to move public opinion that didn't work then.. but is now biting them in the ass.. enough to have the President go on TV and say he's sorry.

One would require you to suspend all reality of the situation and see the best in someone who has consistently been a poor leader, just because of a letter behind his name.

Both scenarios reflected different aspects of poor leadership, just in different means to an end. I think you're overstating the relative benefit of negligence of perjury, perhaps because I wasn't clear enough in my earlier post: A failure is a failure, whether active or passive. This is what I was trying to highlight at the end of my post with the STD example.


But most troubling is why you'd make the statement about political party at the end, unless you're attempting to just make an inflammatory, off the cuff, remark and belittle the entire political party, perpetuating party line stereotypes. It only seems to accomplish perpetuating the perception that republicans are unwilling to be constructive and to have real discussions due to political party affiliation.

It's akin to Putin's Op-Ed piece, where he listed some valid concerns but ended on diminishing US's exceptionalism. All it accomplished was drawing attention away from his comments.

[Parkbandit]

But most troubling is why you'd make the statement about political party at the end, unless you're attempting to just make an inflammatory, off the cuff, remark and belittle the entire political party, perpetuating party line stereotypes. It only seems to accomplish perpetuating the perception that republicans are unwilling to be constructive and to have real discussions due to political party affiliation.

That is fantastic.. coming from a liberal who keeps excusing this Administration on grounds that he really didn't mean to lie. It only seems to accomplish perpetuating the perception that democrats are unwilling to be constructive and to have real discussions due to political party affiliation.

The facts remain that there were ample published reports about how many Americans would lose their healthcare plans because they didn't comply with the regulations behind the ACA.

[ClydeR]

I have a little more information about the HSA thing though...

HSAs were previously a lot less restrictive on stuff that you could distribute the money on. For 2014, they are tightened.

Some examples: In 2013, I could use an HSA to pay for gym memberships, athletic equipment, etc... I could even use an HSA for new running shoes if I wanted to. The umbrella for paying for things out of the HSA to better your health was incredibly broad.

In 2014, HSAs are much more specific to prescription benefits and doctor visits. You can no longer expense things through an HSA for peripheral health activities like a kayak or gym membership.


Other changes is that in 2013 or earlier, HSA was on an annual use-it-or-lose-it basis. As of 2014, the HSA will persist year-to-year (which kinda also can create a secondary retirement account).

Due to the re-structuring of the HSA, all HSA distributions in 2014 can be used towards your annual health insurance deductible... so it's a bit easier to track your progress towards reaching that deductible.

Similarly to before, 2013 and 2014 HSA contributions are applied after SS/Medicare taxes, but before federal and state income taxes, similarly to 401(k) contributions.


Source: Many internal HR sessions on our 2014 health plans.

I hope the IRS sticks you in a dark hole for using your HSA money to pay for kayaking and tennis shoes. And HSAs were never use-it-or-lose-it. You have totally confused HSAs and FSAs. Fax mentis incendium gloria cultum!

Most of what you said is so wrong that you should be ashamed to show you cat-helmeted avatar in this forum ever again. Memo bis punitor delicatum! Good day, sir!

[vasplieon]

I hope we get an R President soon, I think it must be hard on you to be such a hypocrite.

I hope we get a GOOD president soon. R, D or a Libertarian one (my favorite choice).

[Jarvan]

It's an argument over intent, which I think we're at a complete impasse on. You're absolutely right, the delivery of his speeches were not accurate; they were a lie.

Whether or not it's actively him choosing to lie, one of his advisers actively deciding to tell a lie, which implies an active decision, versus not adequately researching, and not knowing the facts, which is passive.

Basically, perjury or negligence...

The complexity comes in when considering that for it to be an active decision to lie, you have faith in him and the people he surrounds himself with in order to make the active decision, which supports his abilities as a leader. Whereas the passive alternative, which is generally considered a lesser impact by denotation, infers his inability as a leader and weak individuals surrounding him, and a lack of respect for him.

But it's kinda like getting into a debate about what's worse between getting Jeril's or Foxes' STDs... either way, it'll sting when you pee.

So you are saying Obama is a Liar, or Incompetent. Honestly, do EITHER of those sound like they make a good President?

[Whirlin]

That is fantastic.. coming from a liberal who keeps excusing this Administration on grounds that he really didn't mean to lie. It only seems to accomplish perpetuating the perception that democrats are unwilling to be constructive and to have real discussions due to political party affiliation.

The facts remain that there were ample published reports about how many Americans would lose their healthcare plans because they didn't comply with the regulations behind the ACA.

I'm not sure what you're reading where I've discounted or excused it at all. In fact, this will be the third time in three posts that I'll state that regardless of the root cause, the result of still inexcusable. Or are you just crying because I haven't said that your root cause is correct?

But this highlights that you definitely need some help tuning down your auto-hate, and jumping to conclusions.

I hope the IRS sticks you in a dark hole for using your HSA money to pay for kayaking and tennis shoes. And HSAs were never use-it-or-lose-it. You have totally confused HSAs and FSAs. Fax mentis incendium gloria cultum!

Most of what you said is so wrong that you should be ashamed to show you cat-helmeted avatar in this forum ever again. Memo bis punitor delicatum! Good day, sir!

You are correct. I confused FSA and HSA. Thank you for the correction.

Cat-helmet avatar is the marine from Starcraft 2... dayum shame what his catch phrase... you know... just with a cat head.

So you are saying Obama is a Liar, or Incompetent. Honestly, do EITHER of those sound like they make a good President?

That was my point.

[Jarvan]

HSA's are the greatest thing a Young person can do when it comes to Healthcare. Middle aged, still good. Old, almost no point.

It's sad that there are so few HSA Plans now though.

[cwolff]

This explains a lot:

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/...aidt-tea-party

How does this play into politics? Very directly: Research by one of Haidt's colleagues has shown, for instance, that Republicans whose districts were "particularly low on the Care/Harm foundation" were most likely to support shutting down the government over Obamacare. Why?

Simply put, if you feel a great deal of compassion for those who lack health care, passing and enacting a law that provides it to them will be an overriding moral concern to you. But if you don't feel this so strongly, different moral concerns can easily become paramount. "On the right, it's not that they don't have compassion," says Haidt, "but their morality is not based on compassion. Their morality is based much more on a sense of who's cheating, who's slacking.”

[Androidpk]

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