More Obamacare fuckups

[Whirlin]

Did anyone else listen to Obama "apologize" about the "if you like your plan you can keep your plan" line during his interview.. and think of a husband telling his wife why he had to hit her, and that she deserved it, and it was for her own good?

Did he say plan specifically? I thought he said "if you have health insurance, you can keep your health insurance"... The difference being the company that you're working with, versus the company's plan that you're on. From the first person stories I've heard (mostly NPR while driving into work), there are plans within the companies are being discontinued and migrated to more robust plans to meet ACA minimum requirements, but insurance companies are required to keep individuals enrolled in health insurance services, but could potentially migrate the plans. People just see cancellation of plans, and think that everything in their world is ending forever, and it's all Obama's fault.

Cancellation notices are widely regarding plans, and highlight the potential to shift individuals to new plans, not the insurance companies terminating the individual as a client.

Because of the new ACA provisions, some of the plans that are being discontinued include limited or predatory plans. I'm not saying all... but I am saying that SOME of the plans out there. So plans will be discontinued that had no out-of-pocket maximums, didn't cover preventative screenings, didn't cover reproductive health, or incredibly high deductibles.

List of required ACA covered services from first Google site response:

ambulatory patient services; emergency services; hospitalization; maternity and newborn care; mental health and substance use disorder services, including behavioral health treatment; prescription drugs; rehabilitative and habilitative services and devices; laboratory services; preventive and wellness services and chronic disease management; and pediatric services, including oral and vision care.

[zhelas]

Did he say plan specifically? I thought he said "if you have health insurance, you can keep your health insurance"... The difference being the company that you're working with, versus the company's plan that you're on. From the first person stories I've heard (mostly NPR while driving into work), there are plans within the companies are being discontinued and migrated to more robust plans to meet ACA minimum requirements, but insurance companies are required to keep individuals enrolled in health insurance services, but could potentially migrate the plans. People just see cancellation of plans, and think that everything in their world is ending forever, and it's all Obama's fault.

Cancellation notices are widely regarding plans, and highlight the potential to shift individuals to new plans, not the insurance companies terminating the individual as a client.

Because of the new ACA provisions, some of the plans that are being discontinued include limited or predatory plans. I'm not saying all... but I am saying that SOME of the plans out there. So plans will be discontinued that had no out-of-pocket maximums, didn't cover preventative screenings, didn't cover reproductive health, or incredibly high deductibles.

List of required ACA covered services from first Google site response:

There are LOTS of videos of his speeches on Youtube etc saying that you can keep your PLAN.

In this thread, I believe you can find a video where he says you can keep your plan. It has been verified by multiple reports and outlets, that he did use the word plan.

If he didn't say plan, then why is he now back peddling? Why is he in damage control? Why is he tweaking his lie?

If you are going to ask for sources, why not do a little searching of his speeches?

I will help just a little here is a link. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXqKp5B0ZLE

[vasplieon]

You should work for MSNBC with the way you took the entire sentence apart just to take things out of context. I think even you can figure out that I was promoting people to speak out and not remain silent if there is something troubling them with our political system. Next tactic will be racism labeling. ;-)

Want real action? Put it on a bumper sticker.

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[zhelas]

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013...-coverage?lite

Exclusive: Obama personally apologizes for Americans losing health coverage

President Obama said Thursday that he is "sorry" that some Americans are losing their current health insurance plans as a result of the Affordable Care Act, despite his promise that no one would have to give up a health plan they liked.

"I am sorry that they are finding themselves in this situation based on assurances they got from me," he told NBC News in an exclusive interview at the White House.

"We've got to work hard to make sure that they know we hear them and we are going to do everything we can to deal with folks who find themselves in a tough position as a consequence of this."


In a wide-ranging interview with NBC's Chuck Todd, President Obama discusses implementation of the Affordable Care Act, rollout of the healthcare website, NSA spying, Iran and keeping Joe Biden as his running mate.

Obama’s comments come 10 days after NBC News’ Lisa Myers reported that the administration has known since the summer of 2010 that millions of Americans could lose their insurance under the law.

Obama has made repeated assurances that “if you like your health plan, you will be able to keep your health plan” with Obamacare.

Consumers who buy insurance on their own — about five percent of the population — are at risk of being forced off their current policies because their plans have changed and don’t meet the new standards of the Affordable Care Act.

Obama’s statement has been called into question as Americans have begun to receive cancellation notices, effectively forcing them to enroll in a new plan either with their current insurer or through the government exchanges, in many cases at a higher rate.

Guidance from the Department of Health and Human Services dating back to July 2010 estimated that “40 to 67 percent” of the 14 million consumers in that marketplace could lose their policies due to turnover in the individual insurance market, NBC News found.

That part of the law does not impact the 80 percent of Americans who receive their health insurance through employers or through Medicare or Medicaid.

“Obviously we didn’t do a good enough job in terms of how we crafted the law," Obama said in the interview Thursday. "And, you know, that’s something I regret. That’s something we’re gonna do everything we can to get fixed ... We’re looking at a range of options.”

After the initial NBC News report, the administration insisted that the president did not mislead Americans, arguing that the law could not have accounted for insurers altering existing plans after passage of the law.

Yet earlier this week, Obama tweaked his promise, acknowledging that plans that have been substantially changed since passage of the law would no longer be “grandfathered” into acceptance under the ACA.

“If you had one of these plans before the Affordable Care Act came into law and you really liked that plan, what we said was you can keep it if it hasn't changed since the law passed," he said.

On Thursday, Obama said many of the people being canceled could get better cheaper plans in the marketplaces, but he acknowledged glitches are preventing that.

“The majority of folks will end up being better off," he said. "Of course, because the website not working right they may not know it."

White House spokesman Jay Carney has also argued those being forced to find new plans will receive better quality of coverage.

“What we're talking about here is the five percent in the country who currently purchase insurance on the individual market,” Carney said last month. “And that market has been like the Wild West. It has been under-regulated, it is the place where Americans have most keenly felt the challenges posed by the insurance system in this country.”

Health and Human Services Secretary Katherine Sebelius acknowledged in a hearing Wednesday that a “majority” of those in the individual market would end up with plans with better coverage while “others will have to choose” an ACA-compliant policy.

In Thursday's interview, Obama defended his health secretary and argued that the website bugs aren't necessarily her fault: "Kathleen Sebelius doesn’t write code. She wasn’t our IT person."

[zhelas]

“Obviously we didn’t do a good enough job in terms of how we crafted the law," Obama said in the interview Thursday. "And, you know, that’s something I regret. That’s something we’re gonna do everything we can to get fixed ... We’re looking at a range of options.”

What????? Your kidding.....You mean this law was rushed???? It was forced down our throats??? Why would you do something like that?????

It should have been delayed.....Beta tested... and proof read.

[crb]

Did he say plan specifically? I thought he said "if you have health insurance, you can keep your health insurance"... The difference being the company that you're working with, versus the company's plan that you're on. From the first person stories I've heard (mostly NPR while driving into work), there are plans within the companies are being discontinued and migrated to more robust plans to meet ACA minimum requirements, but insurance companies are required to keep individuals enrolled in health insurance services, but could potentially migrate the plans. People just see cancellation of plans, and think that everything in their world is ending forever, and it's all Obama's fault.

Cancellation notices are widely regarding plans, and highlight the potential to shift individuals to new plans, not the insurance companies terminating the individual as a client.

Because of the new ACA provisions, some of the plans that are being discontinued include limited or predatory plans. I'm not saying all... but I am saying that SOME of the plans out there. So plans will be discontinued that had no out-of-pocket maximums, didn't cover preventative screenings, didn't cover reproductive health, or incredibly high deductibles.

List of required ACA covered services from first Google site response:

What is wrong with a more limited healthcare plan? I mean, other than the fact that they reduce overall healthcare spending, overconsumption, moral hazard, and market distortions created by the third party payment system, what else is bad about them? If a consenting adult decides they want such a plan, why is it appropriate that a paternalistic government tells them they're not allowed to have it? We do not dictate that everyone drive a cadillac, or that everyone only buy organic free range eggs, afterall.

I know right, poor stupid people, especially minorities, are incapable of making decisions in their own self interest and need a paternalistic elites to dictate to them what they need. So don't allow Walmarts or McDonalds to be built in poor neighborhoods, force them to shop at Whole Foods and cook at home, they're too stupid to make their own choices they need those choices removed from them... and gee I thought progressives were supposed to be pro choice?

Essentially health benefit mandates are a crock of shit. They're largely special interest giveaways, it happens all up and down Medicare too. Bob is a lobbyist with a product or service, Bob's employers are having a tough time competing in the market, Bob lobbies the government to make his employer's services or products mandatory to be covered by insurance. Congressmen follow the money. These things are one of the largest drivers of health insurance premium inflation.

And actually... Obamacare didn't really get rid of high deductibles, which is one of the only silver linings so far. Most of the plans in the exchanges have very high deductibles. The best sort of thing is an HSA though, and Obamacare has various rules that have attacked the existence of HSA, but the fact that so many exchange plans are high deductible is a good thing.

Why is it a good thing that people have high deductibles? Economics Watson, economics.

[Showal]

You should work for MSNBC with the way you took the entire sentence apart just to take things out of context. I think even you can figure out that I was promoting people to speak out and not remain silent if there is something troubling them with our political system. Next tactic will be racism labeling. ;-)

You disagree with how MSNBC takes things out of context? Hang a flag outside your house.

[Parkbandit]

Did he say plan specifically? I thought he said "if you have health insurance, you can keep your health insurance"... The difference being the company that you're working with, versus the company's plan that you're on. From the first person stories I've heard (mostly NPR while driving into work), there are plans within the companies are being discontinued and migrated to more robust plans to meet ACA minimum requirements, but insurance companies are required to keep individuals enrolled in health insurance services, but could potentially migrate the plans. People just see cancellation of plans, and think that everything in their world is ending forever, and it's all Obama's fault.

Cancellation notices are widely regarding plans, and highlight the potential to shift individuals to new plans, not the insurance companies terminating the individual as a client.

Because of the new ACA provisions, some of the plans that are being discontinued include limited or predatory plans. I'm not saying all... but I am saying that SOME of the plans out there. So plans will be discontinued that had no out-of-pocket maximums, didn't cover preventative screenings, didn't cover reproductive health, or incredibly high deductibles.

List of required ACA covered services from first Google site response:

This is right up there with "It depends on what the meaning of the word "is" is...

Stop defending it.. it makes you look like a silly, uninformed voter. I honestly don't blame Obama.. I blame the people who handles him. They knew this wasn't the case, but they had to sell Obamacare to the people for the 2010 election (oops), and would basically say anything to sell it. Republicans were saying that healthcare plans would be cancelled (and they are) under Obamacare and this was their best answer for it.

[vasplieon]

It will all come out in the end. The ACA will collapse under its own massiveness, as is currently happening. Young people are not signing up because they aren't going to get bilked for the money (Pyramid schemes only work if enough morons buy in). Illinois is hemorrhaging jobs and corporations are leaving for states with lower taxation, Detroit is bankrupt, CA is also bleeding jobs. Texas, North Carolina and many other states who are business friendly are growing rapidly. The producers of the nation will migrate to fairer political climates and the takers will be left to take from each other. God I love watching the free market exact tolls on people who do not understand it, sends shivers down my spine ;-)

[Methais]

It will all come out in the end. The ACA will collapse under its own massiveness, as is currently happening. Young people are not signing up because they aren't going to get bilked for the money (Pyramid schemes only work if enough morons buy in). Illinois is hemorrhaging jobs and corporations are leaving for states with lower taxation, Detroit is bankrupt, CA is also bleeding jobs. Texas, North Carolina and many other states who are business friendly are growing rapidly. The producers of the nation will migrate to fairer political climates and the takers will be left to take from each other. God I love watching the free market exact tolls on people who do not understand it, sends shivers down my spine ;-)

Are you sure it doesn't send a thrill up your leg instead?