Even that quote doesn't support your claim. Do you have something better.. you know, one where the assault is against their will?Quote:
Originally Posted by SHAFT
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Even that quote doesn't support your claim. Do you have something better.. you know, one where the assault is against their will?Quote:
Originally Posted by SHAFT
I think it takes a lot to translate that into sexual assault. It's on tape, if it's sexual assault, he'd be convicted for it right?Quote:
Originally Posted by SHAFT
Yes, even with that he defeated Hillary Clinton. Says more about how shitty of a candidate she was than anything else.Quote:
Originally Posted by SHAFT
It's probably because....Quote:
Originally Posted by Suppa Hobbit Mage
Letting someone do something indicates consent.Quote:
And when you're a star they let you do it.
It says more about a large % of Americans. That’s the key.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gelston
Whatever you guys gotta tell yourselves to sleep at night for supporting trump.Quote:
Originally Posted by Suppa Hobbit Mage
When my daughter is grown up I can look her in the eye and tell her I didn’t support him.
Yet you voted for Biden who has a long history of kissing and hugging women and children in public without their consent. Even the NYT did a story on all of the women Biden has groped over the many decades he was in office.Quote:
Originally Posted by SHAFT
Why do people like you pretend this shit never happened? Is it because you feel guilty for voting for perhaps the worst president the world has ever known?
Or that Hillary was so fucknig repulsive that she could lose to someone like Trump. Yeah, just blame all of America though and not the completely out of touch party that put that woman up there.Quote:
Originally Posted by SHAFT
And she will probably say "Why do you always bring up political shit on Thanksgiving dinner?"Quote:
Originally Posted by SHAFT
You obviously don't understand the definition of sexual assault.Quote:
Originally Posted by SHAFT
Are you going to tell her all the lies you said about him, because you had a complete meltdown because your girl Hillary lost? All the stuff you believed that was made up because you are a gullible retard?Quote:
When my daughter is grown up I can look her in the eye and tell her I didn’t support him.
Well, I’m a democrat. I hate Trump, I think he’s an idiot… but to say he colluded with Russia is just not true imo. I’ve always maintained that stance.Quote:
Originally Posted by SHAFT
Agreed, I don’t think Donald trump personally colluded with Russia. We do know his campaign staff met with Russians to get dirt on Clinton and his campaign manager gave polling data to Russians. All of which is public info.Quote:
Originally Posted by Solkern
Cheers on hating Trump, tho. I dig it.
https://c.tenor.com/4opamcAljRQAAAAd/laugh-smile.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by SHAFT
Holy shit... so the entire premise of the Russian Investigation: That President Trump colluded with the Russian government.. you FINALLY figure out 4 years later.. was bullshit?Quote:
Originally Posted by SHAFT
I'm actually shocked that you could come to that conclusion.. the same conclusion that a person with normal intelligence knew 4 years ago.
There is hope out there... retards CAN learn (eventually)...
Hillary is pure and innocent though and had nothing at all to do with the Russia hoax. I know this is true because SHAFT said so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Parkbandit
What hoax are you referring to?Quote:
Originally Posted by Methais
And specifically what did Clinton have to do with it?
I’m not sure about his staff, they were probably willing to accept information from anyone tbh. At the same time I wouldn’t say they were colluding, just willing to accept what was offered.Quote:
Originally Posted by SHAFT
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Originally Posted by Parkbandit
Ok, that's on me.Quote:
Originally Posted by time4fun
I should have said "SOME retards."
You're gonna have to do better than that if you plan on getting your title back from Seran.Quote:
Originally Posted by time4fun
Even Durham called bullshit on this. Once again, right-wingers run with fake news and conservatives are either too stupid or unethical to realize otherwise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/17/u...dia-trump.html
Dude, you literally cite fake news to show that conservatives fall for fake news.Quote:
Originally Posted by SHAFT
Here is Durham's statement in full:
That in no way is Durham "distancing" himself from anything. He's pointing out that regardless of right wing media perhaps "overstating" the charges, or left wing media very clearly "understating" and "misinterpreting" the facts, has absolutely no bearing on the government including this information in his filings. Because law enforcement agencies are SUPPOSED to be neutral, regardless of what the media, pundits, or politicians are saying. I know it's hard to remember this given how Democrats have politicized law enforcement for the past 6+ years to "get" Trump and protect Democrats, but this is how things are supposed to be done. Also Democrats have been politicizing law enforcement for many decades to "get" Republicans while protecting Democrats, they just way over played their hand since Trump and have made it way too obvious.Quote:
If third parties or members of the media have overstated, understated, or otherwise misinterpreted facts contained in the Government’s Motion, that does not in any way undermine the valid reasons for the Government’s inclusion of this information.
The facts of his filing still remain.
In case you forgot I'll remind you:
A company misused its access to government servers in order to hand over a bogus Russia narrative to Democrat lawyer tied to the Clinton campaign.
Said corrupt Democrat lawyer then handed over this information to the FBI.
FBI used this information as a basis for the now thoroughly debunked Russian collusion narrative that the left wing media and politicians still to this day haven't apologized for pushing and in many cases still say the Russian collusion narrative is true.
Really, just stop pretending you're neutral in regards to politics and you hate both sides equally, when in reality all you ever do is shit on one side and protect the other. We already have drauz for that role, we don't need another.
A Russian-backed separatist leader in eastern Ukraine has declared that war is about to begin after ordering women, children, and the elderly to flee over the border to Russia in an ominous sign that this may be the pretext the Kremlin needs for a full-fledged offensive.
Denis Pushilin, head of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic, appeared on Russian state television just hours after he announced mass evacuations. Asked point blank by a Rossiya 24 host whether the situation is headed for full-scale war, he said, “Yes, unfortunately. Yes.”
Here we go.
Yah, another war that Democrats cause for the world.
Not really sure you can blame this on Biden. Certainly, his Limp Wrist Diplomacy II didn't help, but you can't say President Biden caused this.Quote:
Originally Posted by ~Rocktar~
It does keep President Trump's record of being the most peaceful President since the 2 1/2 year Presidency of Gerald Ford intact though.
So the limp wrist "diplomacy" and him saying on air that a minor incursion would basically be ok didn't cause this? Putin has done this shit all along, wanting to push about letting Ukraine in NATO. Previously, he backed off when presented with a strong front and some talks. This time, soggy wet pasta would be stiffer and with Biden basically saying go ahead and the Democrat/Leftist media and politicians pushing for it how can you not blame them? The fucknugget Democrats have all been about limp wrist BS since the fall of the wall and whining about "the peace dividend" well, the peace dividend was peace. Now, we aren't doing what we did and we have more ward, more death and more costs to come. They don't get a pass in making this happen. Putin is a known quantity and always has been so I don't blame him for acting how he acts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Parkbandit
No. The actual cause is Putin. He is the one amassing troops along the Ukraine border.Quote:
Originally Posted by ~Rocktar~
Fair enough. He had done this before, if not stopped, he will keep doing it. I just don't see giving the warmongering Dems a pass on it at all. I hope for an impeachment and removal of both of them after the midterms lest we really get into a serious war.Quote:
Originally Posted by Parkbandit
Rocktard has gone heavy handed retarded again. As if Biden personally started the separatist movement Donetsk, which predated his Presidency, or were responsible for removing the Russian operatives from the same region. Which I'll remind you was ignored by Trump.
But let us not forget that Trump support Russia on Crimea, justifying it because most of them spoke Russian and they were happier with Russia. If anyone's responsible for emboldening Putin on Ukraine it was Trump and those remarks.
Someone should offer you some help:Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
https://i2.wp.com/www.thepathway2suc...00%2C600&ssl=1
Jesus. How fucking retarded are you on any given day?Quote:
As if Biden personally started the separatist movement Donetsk, which predated his Presidency, or were responsible for removing the Russian operatives from the same region. Which I'll remind you was ignored by Trump.
But let us not forget that Trump support Russia on Crimea, justifying it because most of them spoke Russian and they were happier with Russia. If anyone's responsible for emboldening Putin on Ukraine it was Trump and those remarks.
You do realize that Russia invaded Crimea during the Obama Administration... right?
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Originally Posted by ~Rocktar~
You really think this is about NATO? Lol…
Seran was saying that Trump supported the invasion because they spoke Russian, and wanted to join Russia.Quote:
Originally Posted by Parkbandit
Not that it happened under Trump.
Your reading comprehension is nonexistent per usual. Trump have Putin a pass at a summit because of the excuses Trump offered.Quote:
Originally Posted by Parkbandit
It's difficult to read your posts, let alone glean any intelligence from them is due to your inability to properly craft a sentence.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
And because you are retarded.
So... during the Obama Administration, Russia annexed the Crimea.. and now during the Biden Administration, we are at the brink of an invasion.
But the REAL reason he's done all this nation building is because back in 2014, citizen Trump said it was ok?
Nah, I blame this more on Biden because of how weak Obama's response was to Putin's first annexation. Biden was a part of that administration and I bet he is expecting more of them same. He didn't try stuff with Trump because Trump, love or hate, was a big unknown to everyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
Indirectly maybe, just because Biden is so weak and pathetic and Russia knows this. But Biden is weak and pathetic in regards to literally everything else too, including not shitting his pants.Quote:
Originally Posted by Parkbandit
It's the primary public issue Putin has negotiated on. And it's about the pipeline that Biden waived sanctions on like the start of his presidency and construction started back 4 days later.Quote:
Originally Posted by Solkern
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Originally Posted by ~Rocktar~
If you know anything about Putin and Russia, you should know that Putin is a fucking master of manipulation and misdirection, he’s playing chess while Biden is playing checkers. What he says in public, isn’t what he wants or cares about. His NATO claims are just a front, Ukraine will not join NATO anytime in the foreseeable future, that’s something that is widely known. That’s with or without Russian troops on their borders.
Putin cares about the Donbas region. He wants constitutional changes and the Donbas be given near absolute autonomy, before Ukraine can get it back under control. This would effectively give Russia full veto power in any decision made by the Ukrainian government. Pretty much making Ukraine to Russia what Hong Kong is now to China.
Putin did fuck up this time, he was expecting the same type of response as he got when he invaded Crimea. He wasn’t expecting a united NATO response. Now he’s effectively backed into a corner where he has to invade.
Oh and an FYI: Crimea is pronounced like “Cream”.
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Originally Posted by Solkern
In before Seran is like DONBAS = DONALD = TRUMP = PROOF THAT TRUMP IS A RUSSIAN AGENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Originally Posted by Methais
In my opinion, if Trump was president now, Putin could have taken the Donbas region and nothing would have been done as punishment. NATO was so fractured that any thought of a united response just isn’t plausible.
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Originally Posted by Solkern
Nah, I know what you did and I laughed. Just wanted to add that two cents since Trump has been brought up multiple times here before.Quote:
Originally Posted by Methais
Not in America it isn't, and America is the only place that matters.Quote:
Originally Posted by Solkern
Fixed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gelston
no, we allow other places to exist.Quote:
Originally Posted by Methais
https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/21/europ...ntl/index.html
Kyiv and Lviv, Ukraine (CNN)Russian President Vladimir Putin has ordered troops into separatist-held parts of eastern Ukraine in what the Kremlin called a "peacekeeping" mission, just hours after he signed decrees recognizing the independence of the Moscow-backed regions.
Here we go. I guess we find out if Biden and NATO are a bunch of bitches or not.
True statement!Quote:
Originally Posted by Gelston
Looks like President Biden was right all along, Putin just invaded Ukraine for the second time. Let's prep for some serious Fox News spin announcing Ukraine as the invaders.
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Originally Posted by Seran
I think your drugs have passed their expiration date.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
This is what trying to be funny but failing miserably looks like.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
Denial isn't surprising either. Invasion? Comrade I see no Invasion here
https://fortune.com/2022/02/22/germa...kraine-donbas/Quote:
Germany shelves Nord Stream 2 natural gas pipeline in response to Russia’s moves on Ukraine
Wouldn't have to be here had Biden not suspended sanctions against it on arrival. It's highly unlikely that any of this goes well at all.
Umm.. They didn't do that for the first one, why would they for this one?Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
Seran just blurts out random words and thinks he's being smart and witty, but 100% of the time he's just dumb and cringey.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gelston
Pretty sure he gets all of his info from Occupy Democrats and treats it as fact.
You think we'd be in a different place had sanctions stayed? LolQuote:
Originally Posted by ~Rocktar~
Because I'm sure our ally Germany and the rest of western Europe was thrilled with us trying to assert authority over their energy needs. Nordstream 2 is a European issue, not an American one.Quote:
Originally Posted by ~Rocktar~
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Originally Posted by Alfster
Is it a "we" problem or a "European" problem?Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
It would really help us understand the Democrat view of whether we spend less on military or more on military. So far, there hasn't been a Democrat mention drawing down our defense spending to pre-Obama Afghanistan levels.
And again you're implying our country has an obligation to unilaterally decide the political and security decisions of independent foreign powers. Ukraine is not our ally, we do not have a defense treaty and they're not a member of NATO, so I don't see what our military spending has to do with Ukraine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neveragain
Though since we no longer have tens of thousands of active troops in Iraq and Afghanistan, perhaps you might understand our no longer funding the Pentagon as if we had full scale active wars we're participating in. Might.
We don't have a military treaty with the Ukraine, but they are very much considered an ally.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
The reason I know that Ukraine is our ally is because you said they're not our ally, and you're wrong about everything 100% of the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
It's because you're stupid.
And butthurt.
Sorry, State Department says you're wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gelston
https://www.state.gov/u-s-relations-with-ukraine/
And yet, the west does what the US says.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
Nothing in that link backs up what you're saying. What a shocker.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
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U.S.-UKRAINE RELATIONS
The United States established diplomatic relations with Ukraine in 1991, following its independence from the Soviet Union. The United States attaches great importance to the success of Ukraine as a free and democratic state with a flourishing market economy. U.S. policy is centered on supporting Ukraine in the face of continued Russian aggression as it advances reforms to strengthen democratic institutions, fight corruption, and promote conditions for economic growth and competition. The United States does not, and will not ever, recognize Russia’s attempted annexation of Crimea, and continues to work with our partners to seek a diplomatic solution to the Russia-instigated conflict in eastern Ukraine. The U.S.-Ukraine Charter on Strategic Partnership highlights the importance of the bilateral relationship and the continued commitment of the United States to support enhanced engagement between the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) and Ukraine.
U.S. Assistance to Ukraine
U.S. Government assistance to Ukraine aims to support the development of a secure, democratic, prosperous, and free Ukraine, fully integrated into the Euro-Atlantic community.
Bilateral Economic Relations
The United States has granted Ukraine market economy status and terminated the application of the Jackson-Vanik amendment to Ukraine, giving Ukraine permanent normal trade relations status. The United States and Ukraine have a bilateral investment treaty. U.S. exports to Ukraine include coal, machinery, vehicles, agricultural products, fish and seafood, and aircraft. U.S. imports from Ukraine include iron and steel, inorganic chemicals, oil, iron and steel products, aircraft, and agricultural products. The U.S.-Ukraine Council on Trade and Investment was established under the countries’ agreement on trade and investment cooperation and works to increase commercial and investment opportunities by identifying and removing impediments to bilateral trade and investment flows.
Ukraine’s Membership in International Organizations
Ukraine and the United States belong to a number of the same international organizations, including the United Nations, Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe, International Monetary Fund, World Bank, World Trade Organization, and Euro-Atlantic Partnership Council. Ukraine also is an observer to the Organization of American States.
Bilateral Representation
Principal embassy officials are listed in the Department’s Key Officers List.
Ukraine maintains an embassy in the United States at 3350 M Street NW, Washington, DC 20007 (tel. 202-349-2920).
Yeah? Show me where the word ally or alliance is in that document, point out our defense pact or defense treaty. They're not there, only in your syphilis rotten brain.Quote:
Originally Posted by Methais
Paste anything at all from your own LINK that indicates we're not allies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
There is no need for projection. We already know you're dumb as fuckall.Quote:
They're not there, only in your syphilis rotten brain.
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Originally Posted by Seran
It actually says I'm right and that you don't know what the word ally means, or that you don't even read your own citations. Probably both.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
"The United States and Ukraine have a bilateral investment treaty." Look at that, a treaty, making us at the very least economic allies.
Amazing!!! "The U.S.-Ukraine Charter on Strategic Partnership " We have a charter on strategic partnership. That looks an awful lot like we consider them to be an ally there too.
And CATO considers them a military ally.
https://www.cato.org/commentary/when...ortant-us-ally
Of course, Seran knows better than CATO institute.
Hey look, the Washington Post calls them a Geopolitical Ally.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...eep-heres-why/
But no, Seran knows better than them too.
Oh wait, Forbes does too.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/forbesi...h=268828f2594d
But no, Seran knows more than Forbes.
And BEFORE you go WAAAH! IT DOESN'T SPECIFICALLY SAY THE WOIRD ALLY IN THERE!!!!
It doesn't for the UK either.
https://www.state.gov/u-s-relations-...nited-kingdom/
I said we as in it's the world's problem now. Sanctions wouldn't have made a difference in this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neveragain
Putin doesn't seem to like the minor uprising in Belarus and kazakhstan as they appear to be a threat to him. Seems to me he thought he'd walk in like during Obama years and no one would bat an eye.
I'm all for the current approach. Keep our forces out and supply the Ukrainians. Much cheaper than deploying tens of thousands of troops and armor with minimal risk to personnel.
No dude you can trot out as many opinion pieces as you want but they're just somebody we trade with. We have absolutely no obligation to protect Ukraine. Fucking stupid that you sit here and and contradict the Secretary of State's information page with a Forbes article. What a fool you are.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gelston
As for the United Kingdom, you obviously didn't read that page otherwise you would have noticed they're listed as our Ally and a security partner. Never mind the page lists them as a fellow NATO member.
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Other than a brief break in relations during the War of 1812, the United States and the United Kingdom have remained durable partners and Allies. Our partnership is the foundation of our mutual prosperity and security.
Seran when Trump is president: ZOMG! Trump just totally bullied our good and trusted ally Ukraine! Impeach him!
Seran when Biden is president: LOL! Fuck Ukraine! Let them all die!
Seran is a good warning story to little children. "Never dive head first into far left politics or else you might grow up to be a bitter, jaded, shit head like this man did."
Donald Trump trying to blackmail Ukraine into fabricating damning evidence against his political opponent with "the perfect phone call" is not leadership.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
President Biden sending armed forces to NATO ally countries surrounding Ukraine, announcing to the world Russia was going to invade (which they did.) and now imposing massive sanctions as a result. That is leadership. It's just sad you Conservashits don't understand the difference.
So the UK isn't an ally either, because, you know, it doesn't say ally on there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
The fact that we literally have an economic treaty (economic ally!!!) with them apparently means nothing to you.
But yeah, you don't know what the word "ally" means but still presume to know more than entire institutes that study foreign and diplomatic policies.
And again, I never said we were military allies, nor did I say we had a duty to defend them, as you can see in my quote below.
You responded with a web address, that you didn't seem to read, because it very much mentions treaties and partnerships with the Ukraine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gelston
https://www.gifservice.fr/img/gif-vi...na-various.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by Seran
You’re for real mentally ill.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
I wouldn’t call Ukraine an ally, more like a puppet we use. Ukraine does serve a strategic importance as a buffer against Russia which we need, but to call us an ally is a stretch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gelston
https://us.yahoo.com/news/trump-prai...234001858.html
Trump praises Putin's 'genius' incursion into Ukraine
Former President Donald Trump on Tuesday praised Russian President Vladimir Putin's decision to send Russian troops into Ukraine to support Russian-backed separatists in the Luhansk and Donetsk provinces. In an appearance on the right-wing talk radio program "The Buck Sexton Show," Trump broke his conspicuous silence on the crisis to applaud the Russian dictator.
"This is genius," he said of Putin's decision on Monday to officially recognize the breakaway provinces and authorize the use of Russian military personnel to assist them. "So Putin is now saying it’s independent — a large section of Ukraine. I said, how smart is that? And he’s gonna go in and be a peacekeeper. We could use that on our southern border. That’s the strongest peace force I’ve ever seen. There were more army tanks than I’ve ever seen. They’re gonna keep peace, all right."
Riiight.
Sssh, Republicans are still trying to pretend Trump wasn't bought and paid for by Russia. This doesn't fit their narrative.Quote:
Originally Posted by Solkern
Why do Democrats keep using that word "we" so loosely?Quote:
Originally Posted by Solkern
That area of the world has been in a constant state of conflict since the Roman empire divided.
"We" were essentially founded to escape that constant conflict. "We" are 5000 miles away from that conflict zone. "We" are not Europe. "We" have no business in the Ukraine. "We" have been in 20+ years of war because "We" keep forgetting that "We" are not Europe.
The sooner we let the Brits, the Germans and the Russians settle their 1700 year old divorce the better everyone will be.
Trump is fucking hilarious.Quote:
Originally Posted by Solkern
Putin is genius.
Biden is already a lame duck.
https://almostdailybrett.files.wordp...llaryreset.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by Seran
“We” refers to The US and it’s relationship with Ukraine. You keep forgetting we are the only global superpower. While it seems that you support isolationism, our current foreign policy isn’t that. We project our power globally to defend our national interest with whatever means possible. While you or I may not agree with some of what’s being done, it is what it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neveragain
And what’s with the democrats use “we”? It has nothing to do with political party or affiliation.
Did you really just try to politicize the word “we”?
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Originally Posted by Neveragain
Putin is a fucking genius, agree with you on that.
Nice to see that you agree with Trump.Quote:
Originally Posted by Solkern
We'll just see how "We" stand when gas prices go even higher, inflation continues to climb and China is buying oil from Russia at a discount price.Quote:
Originally Posted by Solkern
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In a CBS News/YouGov survey conducted last week, 53 percent of Americans said the U.S. should stay out of the situation by siding with neither Ukraine or Russia in ongoing talks.
They are the very definition of an economic ally, being that we have an economic treaty with them. And puppets are still considered allies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Solkern
Glad you're finally understanding the difference between a defensive pact or defensive treaty and somebody we have a trade agreement with.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gelston
Since the Romans were mentioned...Quote:
Originally Posted by Neveragain
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https://youtu.be/v2o_EAeW4m0Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
You just dig deeper and deeper into the retard pit with every comment you make. I said from the very first comment, that they are allies. Not necessarily military allies, but allies. You responded with a website that completely agreed with me, but saying NO THEY AREN'T SEE!!!! and then continued to disagree with quotes I pulled from the same website. Do you even know how to read?Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
Is Seran still trying to redefine the word "ally"?
Dude.
Seran when he hears someone is an "ally" of the gay or trans community: "But that doesn't make sense! They don't have a military alliance!"Quote:
a state formally cooperating with another for a military or other purpose.
According to Seran, the UK isn't an ally, because the Department of State page doesn't say ally on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
Well shit, wait until the UK learns about this! Good thing Seran is here to tell us things.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gelston
Seran's next post will be:
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You're a moron, not only did I quote the UK page which confirmed them as an ally and bolded the text, but proved you wrong that we don't have a duty to protect Ukraine. Please eat some hairy ass.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gelston
Since Gelston is a dumb cuck and can't remember where he was disproven.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
Without using google or copy/paste, tell us your definition of the word "ally."Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
Yea, you faggot!Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
Right Seran! Nothing is more insulting than calling a straight guy a faggot!
To put this in appropriate context- an authoritarian who has spent his time in power trying to dismantle Western democracies (after dismantling his own country's democracy) has begun invading a country that has been successfully transitioning into a functional Western democracy.
This isn't about whether or not Ukraine counts as a "formal" ally. Our number one geopolitical adversary, who has been the single biggest threat to democracy across the Western world (including our own) is trying to take down a new democracy and to position himself more strategically in the European region.
If Russia takes over the Ukraine, that will be the third democracy that has fallen in Europe in the past 10 years. Notably, Russia will be positioned next to the other two. Russia also happens to be partially responsible for the end of functional democracy in Poland ("Waitergate"), and Putin will be in a better position to do to them what he's about to do to Ukraine.
This is not "just" an attack on Ukraine. It's a literal, and intentional, attack on the notion of Western democratic societies- just the latest in a string of highly successful operations to damage, or fully thwart, them.
And I will also point out that a former US President is fucking congratulating Putin on what he's doing.
The people who are egging Putin on- and who are trying to convince you this is no big deal- are not friends of freedom. They're not the good guys. They're part of a larger movement that has been going on for some time now to end Western liberal democracy, and that movement is gaining steam rapidly.
Plot twist: He was talking about his mom's ass, which happens to be very hairy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Parkbandit
How dare you call Obama a liar. Racist.Quote:
Originally Posted by time4fun
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Originally Posted by time4fun
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Originally Posted by time4fun
https://i.imgur.com/jU2i5hP.gif
So basically what time4fun is saying is if only Obama took Russia seriously as our number 1 geopolitical foe instead of cozying up to him, appeasing him, and trying so hard to "Not be Bush!" then maybe we wouldn't be in the position we are in now?
For once I agree with time4fun.
time4fun clearly hates black people. Notice how she disagreed about Russia back then because Obama was black, but since Biden is white, she agrees with him now?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
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time4fun just needed Biden to whitesplain things.Quote:
Originally Posted by Methais
Makes sense. time4fun doesn't understand most things until it's WHITEMANSPLAINED to her.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
Meanwhile the US has been "invaded" by more than 2+ million people in the last year and a half.
Yes, if you go to a country illegally - that is breaking the law.
When it's over 2+ million - it's an invasion.
Tell me why 100k+ Russians going across a border is worse than 2m+ again?
Ones an illegal military occupation and the other is illegal immigration? The former is done violating sovereignty, international treaties and usually involves death and destruction. While the majority of the latter just wants jobs and a safe place to live?Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaps
You haven't disproven shit. You always think you "disprove" things, but you don't because your reading comprehension skills are abysmal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
What is the definition of ally?
If the US is such a racist white supremacist nation, why would brown people want to come here for a better life?Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
Be specific.
The 1980s, they're now calling to ask for their foreign policy back.Quote:
Originally Posted by time4fun
You know the cold war has been over for 30 years, right?
China is the biggest threat. Russia is a defeated country, with their only real power on a regional scale. Not that they can't grow to be a threat one day.
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Taking a neutral opinion would suggest that Russia hasn't been the aggressor.
IT is though, because the USSR wasn't Russia, it was several different Socialist Republics, that is why the USSR split into a bunch of different countries like that. Russia was always seen as the lead nation, which is why we always just called it all Russia.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neveragain
So NATO is one country?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gelston
That's a dumb question, go back to your Ensure and Tucker Carlson.Quote:
Originally Posted by Methais
No, just like the USSR wasn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neveragain
Map of the Soviet Union before the German invasion:
https://omniatlas-1598b.kxcdn.com/me...Winter-War.png
So you have to agree, that it's been decades of NATO aggression (through blockades, sanctions and proxy wars) that has lead to this point?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gelston
Russian empire 1914:
https://nzhistory.govt.nz/files/styl...?itok=cBzgmdlH
I mean, they were being aggressive back. It was mutual aggression that maintained a status quo. They couldn't keep up with the monetary side and collapsed. It wasn't NATO beating up on the poor old Soviets, the ones that killed over 10 million of their own people.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neveragain
You are so painfully ignorant of the situation here that you have no idea that all you're doing is spouting off anti-democratic, pro-Russian propaganda.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neveragain
Decades of NATO aggression? Do you have any idea why NATO exists, and why it's so critical to Europe AND the US? Do you know anything about what Russia has been doing to undermine democracy in Western nations in the last decade? (not to mention the decades before that) Do you know anything about the politics of the post-WW2 era that didn't come from a far right, hyper partisan publication?
Do you think that maybe there's a reason why the UN, EU, and NATO are all condemning what Putin is doing? You think it's possible that defending the authoritarian who is invading a Western democracy to subject its people to authoritarian rule and to expand its foothold in Europe is not the right stance?
Is it conceivable that taking the stance opposite of the democratic nations in Europe and North America, who are trying to keep Ukraine a free country is perhaps wrong?
Or are you so far down the damn rabbit hole that you've genuinely become a defender of dictators and a critic of free democratic societies?
I'm just posting historical maps that overwhelmingly show that Ukraine has been a part of the Russian empire since before the 1900's. These countries/states were not a part of NATO.Quote:
Originally Posted by time4fun
I'm not taking a side. I strictly come from the view that you convert people through reflection and not projection.
We kill 100's of thousands of our own people every year. (overwhelmingly black people)Quote:
Originally Posted by Gelston
:shrug:
Uhhh.. no we don't... heart disease does.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neveragain
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/deaths.htm
All you bitches posting maps of Europe can suck a dick.
Unless you like sucking dick. Then grab some pussy. Or whatever the equivalent of sucking a dick is in the 300+ genders that exist in your mind.
Yes it was. 35 years ago. Russia does not have an inherent right to take over sovereign nations because they were once their territory.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neveragain
And candidly, you *are* taking sides. You're trying to provide a defense of Russia's actions right now- not condemning them. And even if you weren't- the notion of "not taking a side" in this is flabbergasting.
What happened to you? You're sitting here failing to condemn a dictator who is about to destroy a democratic country and force everyone there to live under authoritarian rule. Tucker Carlson brought Orban- the Hungarian dictator who destroyed their democracy- to his show and spent a week doing PR for him- even telling viewers that Hungary was what freedom looks like- and you just waved your hand dismissively at it.
The President you supported tried to tell you that an elected official (Pence) had a right to overturn the results of his own election because he didn't win, and the party you vote for has been trying (and succeeding in some cases) in passing legislation that lets elected officials boot out nonpartisan elections officials to replace them with someone of their choosing if they don't like the results of an election.
An angry mob stormed the US Capitol to stop the certification of a free and fair election-forcing Congress to hide behind barricaded doors and resulting in the deaths and serious injuries of the officers there. And you've one nothing but defend the sitting US President- who had lost that election- who brought them to DC and pointed them to the Capitol building telling them it was their last chance to save their country.
And now you're condemning NATO- which has been trying to stop Russia from destroying European democracies and further invading free countries.
At what point do you look at yourself in the mirror and start to question if you're on the right side?
Candidly you *are* a cunt.
Putin's propaganda isn't correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neveragain
https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/lseih/2020/0...inian-history/
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Originally Posted by time4fun
^^^^ That's what "questioning if you're on the right side" looks like.^^^^Quote:
Taking a neutral opinion would suggest that Russia hasn't been the aggressor. ~ Me/Neveragain
Since 1945 show me on any of those maps where Russia has taken anything that wasn't theirs before the German invasion. I can certainly point out areas that were not part of NATO after 1945 that were part of Russia before the German invasion.
I'm not using "Putins" propaganda. I'm looking at maps that span the past century and older.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
So, once you "own" territory, you have the right to re-claim it at any point in time?Quote:
Originally Posted by Neveragain
Tell me that's not the entire premise of your argument here.
Can you tell me at what point and time it's OK to take it in the first place?Quote:
Originally Posted by Parkbandit
Tell me you're not arguing that Germany was just in invading Russia?
Asking two questions isn't answering a question.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neveragain
At all.
I think it does answer your question.Quote:
Originally Posted by Parkbandit
https://c.tenor.com/w70bjnITVaYAAAAM...ro-why-not.gif
Wow, look at all these dudes siding with communists. If every fucking Russian in Russia died in their sleep tonight, I wouldn't care.
Fuck those dudes.
Any any point in time any nation you can think of has belonged to someone else, was called something else or was conquered. Your saying that present day Ukraine, which existed before the Russian or Ukrainian countries existed is by right Russian due to at one point occupied country by way of being a Soviet Bloc member. This is materially false and in no way conveys a right to violation of its sovereign borders by Putin's desire to create a new Soviet Empire.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neveragain
I'm glad that we agree that the US has no business in backing either side, no business in placing sanctions, no business arming either side and no business in further funding NATO.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
Wow, you got all that out of me saying Russia is invading a sovereign state? Let's try again. The world by on large takes the side of the victim of this baseless aggression, Ukraine. Providing arms to the Ukrainian military is a decision made by multiple governments, including ours. I support this action. Our government does not support going to war against Russia, nor do most of us. But using sanctions to set the Russian economy back to the stone age is welcome.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neveragain
We just spent the last 20 years invading sovereign states... Do we deserve to have our economy set back to the stone age?Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
Sirens are going off. Appears Kyiv is under attack.
Unfuckingreal.
No business placing sanctions or supporting Ukraine? Fuck you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neveragain
Holy fuck. My friends in Kiev are fleeing.
First off, yes we did deserve global repercussions. Secondly, even when we did those things we were still promoting democracy. We tried to end authoritarian regimes and help those countries transition to free societies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neveragain
Have you ever stopped to ask yourself why Russia has been facing sanctions from the Western world? They're facing sanctions because they've been systematically targeting Western countries to attack their democracies. Or, you know, in the case of Ukraine literally attacking their people with weapons.
The entire West is currently in a democratic backslide, and Russia is at the center of most of it. The UK's Brexit Movement, the rise of the National Front in France, the destruction of the Polish democracy by the Law and Order Party, and the hijacking of the Republican party and Donald Trump's rise in the US are just some of the destabilizing events Russia has supported that have undermined democracy in the West over the past decade. There's a reason, for example, why literally all of those parties/political leaders have been critical of NATO. No one in the West questioned NATO at all until Putin started helping far right parties and political figures rise in their respective countries.
Vladimir Putin is the enemy of freedom. This attack on Ukraine is evil on every level.
And Gelston is right. You're currently siding with authoritarianism and communists over free democratic societies. And I just pray that you- and people like you- wake up before it's too late.
Though at this point, it's also hard to ignore the strong possibility that you know full well what you're doing. You've just given up on free democratic society because you figure it's not really going to get you what you want.
That's a really scary thought. I don't know that we can come back from that point.
Yeah I hear the people leaving Ukraine are Russian to get out in a hurry.
Wow Biden is completely useless.
The entire world is now worse off under Biden than they ever were under Trump. Thanks, Biden!
NATO should send fucking troops into Kiev. Stop being fucking useless.
Is Biden the president of Ukraine or Europe? You fucking people are pathetic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
You’re the type of twisted piece of shit that’ll blame Biden for this, and then when he does something say the US should stay out. You’re a fucking lunatic. You’re nuts. Seek help.
Ukraine isn't a member state. Though they're part of a strategic partner program.Quote:
Originally Posted by Solkern
But sending troops into Ukraine is risking another World War. And there's a good chance the West would be facing off against Russia AND China in that instance.
No one wins in that scenario.
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Originally Posted by time4fun
Not necessarily, a token force would be enough to deter Russia. Last thing Russia wants is to make this conflict any bigger. I didn’t say go in and attack, but to defend.
Funny how you fuckers spent 4+ years screeching that Trump will start WW3 and now that Biden is so fucking weak and pathetic and useless that WW3 just might start all you can do is defend the demented ghoul.Quote:
Originally Posted by SHAFT
Fuck you.
These people in Europe either stand up for themselves or they get ran over. They let Putin take Crimea and Georgia and now he’s entering Ukraine.Quote:
Originally Posted by time4fun
What’s next? Poland? Belarus? If he takes them what’s next after them?
I concur, nato needs to get off its ass and actually do what it’s supposed to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by SHAFT
How do you go from "Putin is evil! If you're against helping Ukraine then you're siding with authoritarianism and communists!!!" then 6 minutes later post this?Quote:
Originally Posted by time4fun
You don't get to have it both ways.
Trump spent years degrading NATO and Ukraine. He offered to sell them military equipment and then tried to blackmail them over the sale. That’s why his fat ass got impeached for the second time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
You’re fucking deranged, though. I mean it when I say seek help. Fuck you.
The fear of WW3 needs to end. This motherfucker is violating everything the world put in place after WW2.Quote:
Originally Posted by Solkern
No one is at fault here but Putin and his cronies. If the countries of Europe don’t defend themselves they’re at fault too.
Trump literally can't "degrade" NATO and Ukraine. What the fuck are you even talking about? Trump pushed for NATO countries to spend MORE on their militaries. You do know NATO's original mission was to counter Russian aggression right? How is asking NATO to spend more money on their militaries "degrading" NATO?Quote:
Originally Posted by SHAFT
Make sense for a change and stop defending Biden. He is so beyond useless we have to start inventing new words to describe just how useless he is.
Oh go Crimea river.Quote:
Originally Posted by SHAFT
I can’t believe it but I agree with time4fun. Ukraine is not a member state. Article 5 doesn’t apply. Ukraine isn’t worth the US getting into direct military conflict with Russia. We don’t want or need that kind of war.
Europe. NATO. They need to defend this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Suppressed Poet
I realize Ukraine isn’t a NATO member, but where does this end? If NATO allows this, who’s to think he won’t press a NATO member?
This shit is evil. If you say otherwise…
Attachment 9903Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
A good first step would be removing Russia from the UN Security Council.Quote:
Originally Posted by SHAFT
Meanwhile this nut job is the guy who defended Trump blackmailing Ukraine to try and win an election, supports Trump's brolove with Putin and is in general the biggest piece of shit on this forum.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
It is evil and Putin is a little bitch. Economic sanctions are really the only option now outside of war. Germany and the EU really need to step up there, as US sanctions really don’t mean dick to Russia. If Germany and the rest of Europe find a way to get their fuel elsewhere, it’s going to be painful for Russia (and Europe in the short term).Quote:
Originally Posted by SHAFT
Also thank you Biden for your idiotic economic and energy policies. It’s about to get much worse. Get ready for gas prices to soon be $5+ a gallon…
Fuck’s sake, dude. Russia is a permanent member of the UN Security Council. They literally can’t be removed, unless the UN is going to prove once and for all that they are completely useless and their words mean nothing if they are going to just start completely changes their rules.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
Do you have any knowledge at all on the subjects you pretend to be an expert in?
https://reddit.com/r/oddlyterrifying..._ago_air_raid/
Gave me chills.
There are no words for how deeply ignorant you are when it comes to Trump specifically and the world around you in general.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
You haven't been right about anything political.Quote:
Originally Posted by SHAFT
Your streak continues.
How would the UN go about doing that, specifically?Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
I'll wait.
http://badbooksgoodtimes.com/wp-cont...reness-gif.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by time4fun
https://c.tenor.com/owRVkW5mEzsAAAAM...einourtime.gif
“Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it.”
And we currently have a President that doesn't even remember what he had for breakfast.....
Here's some facts for you... since you seem ignorant....Quote:
Originally Posted by time4fun
2014 - Obama/Biden - Russia Invades
2022 - Biden/Harris - Russia Invades
Your "feelings" and "hopes" does not negate facts. Biden is a puppet of the Kremlin, solely based upon the results during his tenure in office.
BTW - Trump ended the war in Afghanistan (Biden is just trying to take credit for the concept, and totally fucked up the withdrawal)
BTW - Trump ensured the vaccines were completed in record time (Biden is just trying to take credit, and in the process become an authoritarian monster)
BTW - Trump had multiple Mid-East Peace Deals during his tenure. Biden hasn't found his Coco-puffs for his morning breakfast yet.
BTW - Under Trump the US was energy independent. Biden has oil going to it's highest price in decades.
BTW - How is that Nuclear Clock looking these days? Did they move it up?
I could keep going... but let me just say... There are no words for how deeply ignorant you are when it comes to Biden specifically and the world around you in general.
PS. I know it hurts. I know you are crying on the inside right now trying to defend Biden. Your whole identity is wrapped up in thinking you know best. It's rough when you realize how wrong you are about yourself. You can get past it though, and pull your head out of your ass - that's step one to recovery.
Enlighten us all then. How did Trump “degrade” NATO? Please be specific. I mean other than asking NATO countries to spend more on their militaries.Quote:
Originally Posted by time4fun
You're literally the only person on the PC who watches Tucker Carlson. Stop projecting your butthurt. And stop being exactly like Androidpk while you're at it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
How old do you think I am anyway? Be specific. This should be good. :lol:
Your posts smell like moth balls and cat piss.Quote:
Originally Posted by time4fun
https://i.imgur.com/Aa1jsUv.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by Parkbandit
It's because all the left knows how to do is project.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
Exhibit A
In before democrats blame Trump.Quote:
Originally Posted by Suppressed Poet
Correction: Spend the signed and ratified treaty agreed upon amount on defense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
More like buyers remorse and regret.Quote:
Originally Posted by Methais
This is where everyone should have stopped reading your drivel.Quote:
Originally Posted by time4fun
It's pretty obvious what your political ambitions are and they don't include democracy.
This is on putin but please remember trump was impeached for blackmailing Ukraine. Funny how it all ties together huh? Think he got that idea on his own?Quote:
Originally Posted by Methais
LOL!Quote:
Originally Posted by SHAFT
"This is on Putin. But now that you mention it........................"
"Blackmailing" Ukraine. How exactly does Trump "blackmailing" Ukraine tie into Russia invading Ukraine while Biden is president? I sure do hope you show your daughter the same courtesy and tell her how you voted in this election so she can know the true consequences of your actions. "I didn't vote for Trump!" isn't enough. You voted for the current ghoul in the White House. Don't ever forget that.
Hey at least Trump isn't sending mean tweets anymore. Would you please think of the hurt feelings over all else?Quote:
Originally Posted by Solkern
This is why the US should be doing nothing at all. We've spent the last 70 years bleeding the American middle class to defend Europe while Europe has failed to fund their own defense. Europe has continued to work towards unification which has proven time and time again to lead to a European conflict. Europe has displayed total disrespect towards the US as of late, yet, here they are once again groveling for the US to spend it's blood and treasure for European problems.Quote:
Originally Posted by ~Rocktar~
Actually yes, they can be removed per the UN Charter :Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
9 of the 15 votes can pass a resolution to effect the standing of the security council, it was done before to change the size of the security council. If nine of the fifteen were to vote to remove Russia as a permanent member of the security council and say grant it to the EU representative, Russia could not veto as they were the subject of the dispute and would be forced to abstain.Quote:
Under Chapter VI, and under paragraph 3 of Article 52,a party to a dispute shall abstain from voting.
And then he was acquitted, but you still can't let go of it due to chronic mental illness.Quote:
Originally Posted by SHAFT
Cool projection though. And speaking of blackmailing Ukraine...
https://i.imgflip.com/3hnab9.jpg
Since Shaft wants to look for how things "tie together", how about the fact that Biden literally blackmailed Ukraine and then bragged about how he was successful, AND Russia invaded Ukraine both while Biden was vice president and now while he's president.Quote:
Originally Posted by Methais
What's up with all of that, Shaft? Going to finally admit Biden is worthless and is encouraging dictators? Or does your bullshit theory of things "tying together" only work with Republican presidents who are not currently president?
You do know Biden was just the messenger right? Not sure why you are putting it on him like it was 100% his idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by Methais
Glad you're finally owning up to Trump's complicity in destabilizing Afghanistan, even if the rest of your post was a pack of lies. Your deposed dictator and chief arranged a one sided surrender with the Taliban and excluded the government of Afghanistan from the deal. The Afghanistan violated the deal several times in Trump's tenure, which was ignored. Afghanistan was brought to the brink of collapse at the end of Trump's presidency. Biden then took over and did the one intelligent thing in that entire fiasco: he got us out of it. In the process tens of thousands of Afghan workers were rescued in the single biggest and most successful airlift operation in the history of the armed forces. All executed masterfully by our commander and chief President Joe BidenQuote:
Originally Posted by Shaps
You’re not required to defend trump every chance you get.Quote:
Originally Posted by Methais
Yeah this really was the nail in the coffin for Ukraine relations under Trump, denying security assistance authorized by Congress until they interfered in our election. Funny how the country who benefited most by Trump's obsession with declaring Crimea as legitimately belonging to Russia is now at it again. And here's Trump praising Putin again for his masterful invasion of Ukraine.Quote:
Originally Posted by SHAFT
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Originally Posted by SHAFT
So, yes, your "theory" only works for former Republican presidents and not the current ghoul occupying the White House. Gotta absolve yourself of all guilt for your vote while making yourself feel better because you can tell your daughter you didn't vote for Trump.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
Listen to the screams of innocent Ukrainians dying and know your vote had something to do with that. Stop being a pussy.
Fuck you. You're not even worth the effort anymore. I didn't think anyone was as sick as Seran or Bhaalizmo and needed to also be added to my ignore list, but you have somehow managed to do it.
You're not required to have TDS 24/7 while sucking on Biden's old moldy flaccid asshole for doing the things you accuse Trump of doing even after Trump gets acquitted, yet here you are.Quote:
Originally Posted by SHAFT
Soon you'll be blaming skyrocketing gas prices on Trump too.
Mainstream media is already blaming all of our current economic problems on the Ukraine conflict…
They are also starting to push for US boots on the ground. I've heard as much propaganda from US media as I have from Putin.Quote:
Originally Posted by Suppressed Poet
Next week's headline: WE TOLD YOU TRUMP WAS GONNA START WW3!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Neveragain
Yeah I’ve heard sending troops to save Ukraine from people on both sides of the political spectrum.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neveragain
A show of force / determent options are off the table now that Russia invaded. Direct military engagement with Russia over Ukraine is just not worth it. It surprises me that some people feel otherwise... Ukraine is not a NATO member state and I don’t think some folks understand what a war with Russia would mean.
She has zero regret about voting for Biden. That would be accepting that she was, as usual, wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by ~Rocktar~
That will never happen.