Go away Carolanne...creep.Quote:
Originally Posted by Annahlee
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Go away Carolanne...creep.Quote:
Originally Posted by Annahlee
So more than 2? Yeah, you don't care about scientists have to say anymore. The Democrats can no longer claim to be the party of facts or science, they are the party of feelings and hate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Annahlee
Why do you hate scientists so much?Quote:
Originally Posted by Annahlee
Looks like if Giuliani is going down he plans to take everyone else with him. It would be hilarious if it wasn't such a sad state of affairs for our country.
What exactly is Guiliani "going down" for? You think he's somehow going to be impeached or go to jail or something?Quote:
Originally Posted by Back
Is it any wonder why I call the current left terrorists? Look at you, you're out for blood now and you also probably have no idea how many genders there are.
Speaking of me begging for money, be sure to donate to my Patreon!Quote:
Originally Posted by Annahlee
Democrats: Looking into Trump's actions is called an "investigation."
Also Democrats: Looking into Biden's actions is called "digging up dirt."
All sane and normal people: The fuck is wrong with these people?
Aren't you the asshole who was hurling racial insults left and right on your other account? So calling someone a moron means they aren't "sane and normal", what does that make a racist such as yourself? Nothing but absolute gutter trash?Quote:
Originally Posted by Annahlee
Trump asks Ukraine to investigate Biden and his son for possible crimes committed.
Democrats: That's digging up dirt and trying to influence our elections!!!!
Biden demands the media stops booking Giuliani because he's saying mean things about him.
Democrats: crickets
https://pics.me.me/you-mad-yeah-youremad-26164296.pngQuote:
Originally Posted by Annahlee
Perhaps because its true that there is no evidence of wrongdoing by Joe or Hunter Biden?Quote:
Originally Posted by Furryrat
People are looking for things that aren't there. Thats called a witch hunt.
Sometimes I wonder if Back is really a genius and he's just trolling the shit out of us.Quote:
Originally Posted by Back
But I don't think so.
Except that Joe admitted on video that the threatened to withhold foreign aid if the prosecutor investigating his son was not fired. That is clearly and unequivocally some quid pro quo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Back
From a couple months ago state funded media bringing it up: https://youtu.be/KCF9My1vBP4
And here is from his own lips.
https://youtu.be/UXA--dj2-CY
Let's remember the position the Ukraine was in at this time. Invaded by Russia. Why in the hell should our top elected officials be making millions and engaging in nepotism? Nice kickbacks.
It's called corruption.Quote:
Originally Posted by Furryrat
For this being the thing that is going to finally bring down Trump things sure have been pretty silent since Trump released the transcript and the whistleblower complaint.
Oh yeah, Democrats needed to take a 2 week vacation and let the dictator in the White House continue his lawless behavior while they party it up. I sometimes forget how things work!
Since when does the party of 482370947239042370 made up genders give a flying fuck what science says?Quote:
Originally Posted by Annahlee
Golly, that was easy.
An anomaly isn't its own gender. That's why it's called an anomaly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Annahlee
Do you know what anomaly means?
Do you just put random words together when you post now? Because lately your posts have just been random words put together pretending to have a point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Back
https://media0.giphy.com/media/Gt4FaBEFngjL2/source.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by Annahlee
You realize Biden is literally on video bragging about it right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Back
Dumbass.
Hey Back, what's your opinion on the Biden mess after watching this video?Quote:
Originally Posted by ~Rocktar~
Someone is triggered.
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/89/40...d6743577c6.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by Annahlee
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Originally Posted by Annahlee
"Anyone who doesn't agree with me is literally Hitler "Quote:
Originally Posted by Annahlee
While the story Biden told is true, those words in the video and your summary are not. To clarify, I mean the chyron, those words explaining, falsely, what they want you to believe but is not true.Quote:
Originally Posted by ~Rocktar~
The video comes from RT, the Russian Times, a well known state run pro-government media outlet. You've been duped by people who do not have your best interests at heart.
Is it that loser pretending they aren't Sellstuff1 again?Quote:
Originally Posted by Suppa Hobbit Mage
It's a shame he never accepted my invite to meet up and settle our differences at Simucon.
https://media1.tenor.com/images/45d1...itemid=6062733Quote:
Originally Posted by Back
Jesus...Quote:
Originally Posted by Back
I hope you use velcro laces for your sneakers... because God help anyone trying to teach you how to tie your shoes.
Full video and transcript directly from the Council on Foreign Relations:
https://www.cfr.org/event/foreign-af...dent-joe-biden
How do you manage to do things like dress yourself or breathe on your own? Serious question. Please advise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Back
You're confusing the diplomacy utilized by Biden on behest of the President in this document with the self-dealing and quid pro quo alleged by the House in it's impeachment inquiry.Quote:
Originally Posted by Furryrat
This is what it looks like when you push a political agenda that hands more power over to the government and you can't find an honest political figure to showcase.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
Much like it is an “investigation” to look into the actions of Trump but “digging up dirt” when looking into the actions of Biden, it’s an illegal “quid pro quo” when Trump supposedly threatens to withhold aid (even though aid was never discussed on the phone call in question) but merely “diplomacy” when Biden does the same thing. The spin from the left is amazing. Zero shame.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
This is correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
In other news, looks like Trump has been trying to pressure Australia to help him out politically too: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/30/u...r-mueller.html
Get back to doing what you do best, Briarfox: mocking a small child for enjoying Star Wars. Because you're a liberal elite!Quote:
Originally Posted by BriarFox
Dude, I’m pretty sure your head is going to explode soon from all the logical knots you’re tying.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
Did you or did you not post in the smile thread the tweet from Mark Hamill mocking a small child for enjoying Star Wars?Quote:
Originally Posted by BriarFox
Is part of being a liberal elite meaning you never have to face your sins and instead you just deflect, deflect, deflect? Don't bother, it's a rhetorical question.
So again when Trump wants to investigate things it's "digging up dirt", a "quid pro quo", or "helping him out politically", but when we investigate Trump it's done in the name of justice?Quote:
Originally Posted by BriarFox
Is this what they teach you over at elite liberal school?
No one reads that giant paragraphs of stupid shit you post, clairette.
This is correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gelston
Bill Clinton meets privately with the AG who is investigating his wife while she is running for president. A few days (or weeks whatever) later it was determined that no charges would be filed.
Democrats: Stop with the conspiracy theories! Clearly they were just talking about grand kids and golf!
Trump has private phone calls with his counterparts from other countries and is getting tired of leaks so he puts them in a secure file where only a few people have access to them.
Democrats: This is proof Trump is up to no good! We need to impeach!!!!!
Do you read the articles you cite? Attorney General Barr has publicly stated that there is an active investigation into the origins of the Russia investigation. This is taken directly from your cited article:Quote:
Originally Posted by BriarFox
"The report by the special counsel who completed the Russia investigation, Robert S. Mueller III, confirmed that Australia played a central role in the origins of the original F.B.I. inquiry."
Seems prudent to me that Australian assistance should be sought as part of this process.
As the article points out, what Trump is doing is using Barr to try to drum up evidence of a conspiracy in the "deep state" against him. This is a counter-narrative that he's trying to spin to protect himself. There's no evidence for any of it, but that hasn't stopped him from trying, or his supporters, like Papadopoulos, from advancing it on news shows.Quote:
Originally Posted by Furryrat
Except you've been once again taken in by the far left media lapdogs of the Democrats.Quote:
Originally Posted by BriarFox
Back in May Australia offered to help in the investigation, this didn't all happen recently as your laughable article pointed out.
Once again: Investigating Trump is all about justice. Trump doing any sort of investigation is "digging up dirt."
So what do you think about hooded goons known as Antifa blocking an old woman from crossing the street and screaming in her face that she's a Nazi? I need the piece of shit opinion of a "liberal elite" on this one. Please advise.
Reasonable and logical people need some evidence of wrongdoing before investigating. Hopeless conspiracy theorists demand investigations based on moonbeams.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
Next time a cop pulls you over in your beater, I'll assume that you're fine with him arresting you because the voice in his head told him to.
Over half the country has been saying the same thing for the past 2.5 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by BriarFox
There's plenty of evidence Russia helped Trump win, and that his team met with them on multiple occasions. You don't think that's enough to warrant an investigation?Quote:
Originally Posted by Furryrat
Biden makes millions in Ukraine, puts his own son on the board of Burisma with a 600k salary, and brags publicly about threatening to withhold aid in order to block any scrutiny. You don't think that's enough to warrant an investigation?Quote:
Originally Posted by BriarFox
One done by the other side, that is. You know, you call it oversight, right?
Biden literally bragging that he withheld a billion dollars to get Ukraine to fire their prosecutor that was investigating the company his son worked at = no suspicion of wrongdoing.Quote:
Originally Posted by BriarFox
Second hand and third hand information from a "whistle blower" with no direct knowledge of ANYTHING they are alleging = evidence of wrongdoing.
More of that liberal elitism that 90% of us are too dumb to understand I suppose.
Oh yeah also:
So what do you think about hooded goons known as Antifa blocking an old woman from crossing the street and screaming in her face that she's a Nazi? I need the piece of shit opinion of a "liberal elite" on this one. Please advise.
Come on, Briarfox. You usually have an opinion on all things fucked up the left does. Give us your expertise on this one.
What if she was a Nazi. Maybe she was Hitler's secretary. YOU DON'T KNOW SHE WASN'T.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
Right? That's fucking nuts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Furryrat
The problem is that things aren't the way you're suggesting. Biden was delivering an internationally approved message when he asked for the prosecutor to be removed, and that prosecutor's removal made it more likely, not less, that Burisma might be investigated. Shokin had already stymied an investigation into the company in 2014.Quote:
Originally Posted by Furryrat
Well you got me there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gelston
Racist.
I think Antifa is full of dipshits. Now, what do you think about rightwingers shouting that a 16-year-old Swedish girl who wants to save the planet should be raped to shut her up?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
"Internationally approved message."Quote:
Originally Posted by BriarFox
You know what normal people do when a possible conflict of interest might make them look like they are letting their personal feelings cloud their judgement? They let someone else take over the actions. What do Democrats do though? They just keep plowing through and hope useful idiots like you will run cover for them.
As far as your bullshit claim that him being fired increased the chances of Burisma being investigated, how do you square this one away with the fact that the prosecutor in question himself said he was forced to resign because of his investigation into Burisma?
Let me guess; he's lying. The president of Ukraine saying he wasn't pressured and there was no quid pro quo is also lying right?
Everyone defending Trump or attacking Biden are just liars and conspiracy theorists, but a "whistleblower" who in part got their information from the news we can all consume, is legit and proof that Trump is corrupt.
You are literally just the worst. The absolute worst.
At least Back just seems completely ignorant about the things he talks about. Like he just doesn't know any better. But not you. You seem perfectly aware of the bullshit you spout but you willingly do so because you don't want to let your fellow "liberal elites" down.
What do you think about far left terrorists such as yourself threatening to kill and rape Kavanaugh, his wife, and 2 children simply because Kavanaugh wants to do his job?Quote:
Originally Posted by BriarFox
Hopefully the same way I feel about anyone who threatens to rape and kill anyone, they are pieces of shit.
It's hilarious you deflect to anonymous trolls on the internet in comparison to actual terrorists caught on actual video verbally harassing an old woman and preventing her freedom of movement.
Your tinfoil hat gets more crinkles hourly, I see.
To be fair 90% of liberal elites can't possibly begin to comprehend the things I am saying.Quote:
Originally Posted by BriarFox
True. It's because they're nonsensical.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
The problem is, the same threat you are accusing Trump of making to Zelensky, was actually made and boasted about by Biden. That threat being: you do what we want, or you don't get the aid money. Is it not the threat that is now the basis for this impeachment inquiry?Quote:
Originally Posted by BriarFox
It's the intent behind it. Biden was trying to help clear up corruption in Ukraine, with the support of Ukrainians, the IMF, and so forth. Trump was asking for a personal favor to help smear his potential political opponent in an upcoming election.Quote:
Originally Posted by Furryrat
https://www.c-span.org/video/?c48181...5GjJWvOwrut98w
I mean, Biden literally confesses to bribery right here on video.
Oh that's very interesting. Can you please link to the investigation that arrived to this conclusion?Quote:
Originally Posted by BriarFox
This is unfortunately just conjecture, as conclusions on intent often are. This was not done at a time where 'clearing up corruption' in Ukraine was of foremost concern of US policy. The War in Donbass, essentially a civil war, was raging and the country was facing Russian invasion. This aid was absolutely critical and there was no reasonable expectation that the Ukrainian government could refuse any request that would delay delivery of that aid.Quote:
Originally Posted by BriarFox
The media argues its the hidden message, the implication of Trump asking a 'favor'. The message is far less subtle when you threaten to withhold aid from such a war-torn, desperate recipient.
Nancy Pelosi apparently said she knew what was said on the phone call before Trump declassified and unredacted the call for public consumption.
Gee whiz, I'm no CIA agent or anything, but how the hell did she know that?
Sure smells like there is a spy in the White House working on behalf of the Democrats.
Democrats are now pushing for Trump to release MORE private phone calls he has had with world leaders because he has them locked away in an electronic file. The same electronic file Obama locked away private phone calls with world leaders.
What the fuck is wrong with Democrats? Talk about fucking up our relationships with our allies. Democrats already badgered Trump to release one private phone call with a world leader, imagine if they get Trump to release even more? World leaders are going to think twice before discussing anything with the president, Trump or otherwise.
This is how it has played out so far:
Trump has private conversations with world leaders.
At least 2 of those private conversations were "leaked" to the press.
Trump says "Okay fuck this shit, lock these conversations up and make it so only certain people have access to them."
Yet another phone call was "leaked" (this is the Ukraine one.)
Democrats now say "Since you have the audacity to secure these phone calls it's proof you are corrupt, release more."
And useful idiots like Briarfox thinks this is all perfectly normal.
Sounds like a miserable existence being part of the "liberal elite." Having to defend shit night and day you know is wrong and then laughing when a Hollywood "celebrity" mocks a small child for enjoying Star Wars. I just picture Briarfox coming home to an empty house every day and eating left over Chinese over a sink.
You have got your timeline entirely backwards. Trump locked the transcripts onto the ultra-secure server long before he became aware of the whistleblower and his biggest mistake was giving into his own massive ego and voluntarily releasing the Ukraine transcript. It confirmed /exactly/ what the whistleblower's complaint alleged.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
Trump has done exactly what the population feared- he's compromised the integrity of the office, the national security of his nation and has betrayed the American people all in the name of self-interest and trying to hide his own criminal behavior.
Fucking up the relationships with our allies? LOL. Trump started that boulder rolling downhill the moment he dissolved NAFTA.
That's exactly what I just got finished saying. Honestly how hard is the English language for you? Maybe I'm being overly harsh and English is your second language? Please advise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
Unless you don't speak English, when you list a series of events from top to bottom are beginning to end. The only lack of understanding in the language is you having absolutely no idea how to pull your head out of your own butthole long enough to acknowledge your own lack of understanding. At least you and the Executive have that in common.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
Yes, exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
Trump says "Okay fuck this shit, lock these conversations up and make it so only certain people have access to them."
Was first on my list.
Then:
Yet another phone call was "leaked" (this is the Ukraine one.)
Was next.
Which is his right. As it is the responsibility of the whistleblower to have reported Trump's obvious illegal activity.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
Yes it is Trump's right, so why are they using him doing that as evidence of his corruption?Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
Why people laugh when Democrats talk about a $15 minimum wage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
This narrative fell apart for the NYT in just a couple of hours.Quote:
Originally Posted by BriarFox
Trump publicly told the world he was going to ask Australia for help in this investigation and Australia in turn said they would willingly help in any way they can because this is what allied countries do: they help one another in their lawful investigations.
The PM of Australia has said no pressure was applied to them because they would gladly help in any investigation.
You've been fooled by the liberal so called news yet again, Briarfox. What you gonna do next?
Kamal Harris says Trump should be banned from Twitter.
Trump has a normal and cordial phone call with Ukraine PM.
Democrats: OMG! Trying to influence an election! We need to see ALL of his private phone calls AND he needs to be impeached!
Biden says the news should stop giving Giuliani a platform.
Kamala Harris says Twitter should stop giving Trump a platform.
Democrats: crickets
And this is why it's not illegal for politicians to block people on twitter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
https://thumbs.gfycat.com/CreamyTorn...el-max-1mb.gif
NAFTA didn't cause American jobs to be lost, it prevented our trading partners from adding unbalanced tariffs which would make it too expensive for US manufacturers to sell overseas. What's sad is having to mis-quote someone because you're incapable of intellectual honesty. That giant sucking sound? Look behind you.
Um, yes it did. It also created a trade deficit with Mexico.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
NAFTA rekt the timber industry.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
Thing is, trade agreements like NAFTA would work if they included labor laws in the framework.
Honestly. From the moment NAFTA went into effect, blue collar jobs that paid good middle class wages fucking vanished or the wages stagnated.
The trade surplus two years prior to NAFTA ratification was anomalous according to statistical. Out of the last 60 years of trade with Mexico, there were only 10 years of a surplus trade balance. According to the Office of the United States Trade Representative, NAFTA created jobs, established small and medium sized businesses and spurned almost 290% increase in trade with NAFTA countries.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neveragain
Wages stagnated because of the Republican presidents falsely promising that corporate tax cuts would result in wage growth for employees. Read the CBO report on the impact of the Bush and Trump corporate tax rate cuts which HURT the middle class.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neveragain
But there has been wage growth under Trump. Why no wage growth since the early 90's?Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
Let me guess, Democrats had to wait until Trump became president to start concerning themselves with middle class wage growth? So quick to blame republicans when democrats were in control for half the time.
The fact is, NAFTA killed middle class blue collar jobs and replaced them with low income service industry jobs.
What rightwing group is actually promoting that idea?Quote:
Originally Posted by BriarFox
So, in your head, Biden had no bad intentions and Trump did.. and you know this because you've read their mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by BriarFox
It's like if you had any self awareness at all, you would see that you are being a flaming hypocritical dumbass at this point.
But you don't.. so I'm just here to help: You're being a flaming, hypocritical dumbass.
Yeah... link any of that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
Bet it's a Buzzfeed article...Quote:
Originally Posted by Suppa Hobbit Mage
and the response from my Congresswoman.
"Thank you for contacting me to express your views about impeachment.
I appreciate hearing your views on this incredibly important subject and having the chance to talk with you about it in more detail. Listening to you, whether we agree on every issue or not, is very important to me and always helps me do better. My job is to serve everyone in our district and make a difference for Kansas.
Kansans expect our leaders to be thoughtful, to work hard, and to make sure they have all the facts before they act. That’s an ethos that informs all my decisions - whether it’s co-sponsoring a bill, or making a decision as consequential as whether to invoke Article II, Section 4 of the Constitution to pursue impeachment.
And it especially includes my sworn oath as a member of Congress to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States.
After careful deliberation, I am supporting the House of Representatives taking the first step in an impeachment process, beginning an impeachment inquiry.
Here’s why.
On Monday, September 23rd, I called on the Administration to turn over the transcript of a phone call between President Trump and the Ukrainian government. That Wednesday, the White House released an approximation of that call, clearly showing that President Trump abused his power and invited foreign interference into our elections - the very basis of our democracy - for his own political gain. And this was all according to the version his Administration was willing to release to the public.
While these developments are alarming enough on their own, it was also confirmed by the President that he was withholding military aid from Ukraine at the time of that call.
Congress later received a report from a whistleblower who was alarmed by the president’s actions. A non-partisan government watchdog, the Inspector General for the Intelligence Community, found the whistleblower’s account urgent and credible.
I’ve long said that I trust my House colleagues on the committees of jurisdiction as they conduct oversight and investigate the Trump Administration. But these new allegations need to be investigated separate and apart from any other oversight being conducted by the House of Representatives.
This leaves the House with no other option than to begin an impeachment inquiry, which allows us to use the full power of our chamber and all the tools at our disposal to uncover the truth. We must follow the facts, wherever they lead.
I did not arrive at this decision lightly, or without full deliberation of the information currently available. I’ll continue to weigh all the facts objectively as this investigation continues, and will do my utmost to fairly and impartially consider any possible articles of impeachment if they later come before me for a vote in the House of Representatives.
Ultimately, this is about the rule of law. Our country has laws to protect whistleblowers and to protect the security of our elections, both of which are fundamental to our democracy. It’s my responsibility as a member of Congress to uphold those laws and to protect the Constitution.
It also remains my responsibility to deliver results for the people of Kansas - focusing on health care, infrastructure, constituent services like helping Veterans’ with backlogged benefits or seniors with their Social Security, and the issues that Kansans talk about at the kitchen table each night. I can, and will, continue my work in these areas while upholding my constitutional duties.
Let’s be clear: being compelled to open an impeachment inquiry is also nothing to celebrate. This is a sad moment for our country, but it is the right thing to do.
Thank you again for contacting me. My job is to serve everyone and make a difference for all Kansans, whether we agree on this specific subject or not. I hope you’ll never hesitate to reach out in the future – please visit davids.house.gov/survey to continue our conversation.
My warmest regards,
https://ecp.yusercontent.com/mail?ur...M3jiXmJqsA--~C
Sharice L. Davids
Member of Congress
You’re always welcome to contact me again on any issue. And if you ever need help with the federal government – anything from backlogged Veterans’ benefits to stalled tax refunds – please contact my office in Overland Park at (913) 621-0832 or in Kansas City at (913) 766-3993. We’re here to help you cut through government red tape and make sure you get the services you deserve."
What about the old people crossing the street though?Quote:
Originally Posted by BriarFox
Only worth 10 points. Too easy of a target.Quote:
Originally Posted by Methais
https://media2.giphy.com/media/9s9xwdOwknNrG/giphy.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by Some Rogue
"Just because it is old, doesn't mean it is valuable." - Antique Roadshow guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Parkbandit
This is correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
Something I think that is funny, on FB a bunch of tards are circulating a "petition" for Pelosi to resign. She is constantly winning her district by 80% or more. Her constituents love her. She doesn't care what anyone outside of there thinks.
Racist.Quote:
Originally Posted by Some Rogue
Pelosi is a lich and if GS taught me anything it's that someone needs to find and kill her phylactery
Good question, why are you still here?Quote:
Originally Posted by Annahlee
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aVwxTM0ZZ0Quote:
Originally Posted by Annahlee
So, no. Gotcha.Quote:
Originally Posted by Annahlee
https://www.macrotrends.net/countrie...alance-deficitQuote:
Originally Posted by Suppa Hobbit Mage
https://ustr.gov/callout/nafta-documents
Tomorrows going to be fun in this thread.
Is Trump finally being impeached tomorrow?Quote:
Originally Posted by Alfster
So is your argument against NAFTA? I can see why, per your sources two years since 1994 there was a trade surplus, the rest a deficit. I mean, before NAFTA we had a better deal. Right, that's your source.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
Way to move the goalpost and claim a win there, RINO. What my original post said, in case you forgot or hit your head, was that in only 16% of the time in the last 60 years have we had a trade surplus with Mexico. You're shorting NAFTA with the completely erroneous and misleading argument that two WHOLE years there was a trade surplus and my post points out how absolutely disingenuous your statement is by citing facts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Suppa Hobbit Mage
This is precisely why people don't sight facts to you creatures, you either do not understand it or completely disregard it because it doesn't further your argument. Fortunately political reality isn't shaped by your confusion.
So your argument is NAFTA had no positive impact then? Or it made no difference? What part of it didn't pan out am I missing?Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
Quote:
Originally Posted by Suppa Hobbit Mage
~ Council on Foreign Relations.Quote:
The deal has long been a political target. In 2008, then–presidential candidate Barack Obama responded to widespread trade skepticism among the Democratic base by promising to renegotiate NAFTA to include tougher labor and environmental standards, a pledge he subsequently abandoned. The issue resurfaced in the 2016 presidential campaign, with both Senator Bernie Sanders (I–VT) and Donald Trump criticizing the pact for bringing U.S. job losses.
And the neoliberals wonder how it's possible that they lost to Trump.
The doubling down on destroying the middle class is amazing to watch.
A random quote, that's what you come back with? You really are a waste of time.
You obviously haven't read a single thing posted showing the massive increase in trade or business benefits of NAFTA. If you're unwilling to educate yourself, then I won't either. Good luck child.
No, you're right. How would we have ever survived with the tariffs on chiclets and turquoise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
You're really missing the part about what jobs went south of the border in exchange for the jobs it created here.
Most of this is moot, as it is not me that gets to go campaign in the rust belt and explain to the UAW that NAFTA was good for them.
Chiclets and turquoise, how plainly racist. How about cars and parts, household electronics and appliances? All of which is assembled more economically in Mexico to the benefit of US Consumers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neveragain
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Originally Posted by Seran
Ok I’ll bite. What’s racist about chiclets and turquoise?
If you have to ask it just proves you’re racist.Quote:
Originally Posted by Methais
Precisely, the cars and parts, household electronics and appliances that used to be manufactured in the US.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
But exploiting brown people at .20 cents on the dollar and no environmental laws is exactly what the Democrats are all about.
But I like chiclets, which means he’s the racist.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
RACIST!
Did you know it costs less to produce a cog when there's no environmental laws and labor is 500% cheaper?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
Exploitation? Are you sure you're not a Democrat, because bemoaning the low wages of another country which are taken advantage of by US corporations is their rallying cry.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neveragain
I always thought Republicans enjoyed the campaign contributions received from corporate donors from the profits of their "exploitation". I guess this is bizarro world now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Annahlee
I have stated numerous times that I voted Democrat 5 out of the 8 presidential elections in my life and Republican only twice. The Republicans were Perot and Ron Paul.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
I have never said I was a Republican, I'm a hippie Jesus freak.
Nice 8 yr old video. What a rube.Quote:
Originally Posted by Annahlee
I haven’t kept up on the news much today. Trump any closer to being impeached or the Democrats still dangling the carrot for their easily misled base?
Today's update was basically a bunch of documents of misinformation on Ukraine that was distributed at high levels of the state department. Seems to be more information on pompeo, but we'll never see them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
The really funny part is that you build the all on the US side and the river basically makes a moat and with the continuing spread of alligators in the Americas and likely some dumbass releases some crocs like they have released boas and pythons and so on in the Everglades and nature will take care of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Annahlee
He should have lead with this and then you crybullies would be more receptive to just building a wall.
The truth hurts sometimes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Annahlee
Let us not forget the video of Trump decompensating during a joint appearance with Finland's president.
Both sides are the big gay right now.
If the left doesn't get their shit together soon it's 4 more years of Trump.
I found it hilarious when he defined what he believes is treason. Lying. Exactly what he does.
Q Thank you, sir. Jeff Mason from Reuters. Mr. President, I’d like to ask you about your use of the word “treason.” You used it repeatedly in the last few days. Do you consider anyone who opposes you treasonous?
PRESIDENT TRUMP: No. No. I consider when they lie; when they stand before our great body in our great chamber, and they make up a story that’s fiction, like Schiff did. He took that perfect conversation I had with the Ukrainian President, and he made it into a total lie. It was a total fabrication. And you do admit that. It was a total fabrication.
He said, “This is what…” — and the only ones that don’t like my conversation are the ones that never read it. But they heard Shifty Schiff. That’s what I call a lie. And because of the fact that he’s — he’s lying about the President of the United States and as to what the President says — you know, I — believe it or not, I watch my words very carefully. There are those that think I’m a very stable genius. Okay? I watch my words very, very closely. And to have somebody get up and to totally fabricate a conversation that I had with another leader and make it sound so bad — it was so evil. And now I see this that just came out minutes ago, where he met at a time that was impossible to have done unless there’s corruption involved.
And just so you know, we’ve been investigating, on a personal basis — through Rudy and others, lawyers — corruption in the 2016 election. We’ve been investigating corruption, because I probably will — I was going to definitely — but I probably will be bringing a lot of litigation against a lot of people having to do with the corrupt investigation, having to do with the 2016 election.
It's the "very stable genius" part that's just pure art. I wonder what people a hundred years from now reading the history books will think of those transcripts.
Yup.Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardCranium
This is fun
https://twitter.com/i/status/1179542037479202816
Happy to tell you that unless something else happens, they have pretty much already handed it to Trump and almost gotten Pence elected in 2024.Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardCranium
Holy moly. Between that and the Finland thing, Donny went totally off the rails. Lying is treason... hah!Quote:
Originally Posted by Alfster
So still nothing has happened since Trump fully cooperated with all of the Democrats initial demands?
This is the most boring impeachment ever.
On a positive note, this is a good way to assure that the Federal government will be incapable of getting anything done for the next 50 years. We will have elections and then 4 years of impeachments.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
Very true.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neveragain
Wow, who knew Nadler was Cartman.Quote:
Originally Posted by ~Rocktar~
Yeah, he lost a lot of weight. A LOT of weight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Suppa Hobbit Mage
I think the real travesty here is that Dump used a meme with fucking Nickelback on twitter.
https://gfycat.com/specificblackandwhitebaijiQuote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
It's not like it didn't take the Republicans 2 months to bring their case against Clinton. Keep your panties on Francis.
Is it heating up? I feel like it's heating up...Quote:
Originally Posted by Some Rogue
lol @ this when democrats are in the middle of ultra projection mode with Biden :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Annahlee
If Backlash had minions, it would be you and Seran.
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It's funny because you still think people read any of your butthurt tard links. You're still gonna hold that L until 2024.Quote:
Originally Posted by Annahlee
They'll still be like, "God damn that always triggered Seran guy from that old text game forum was a retard and a half."Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
Democrats been at it for almost 4 years now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Some Rogue
BUT THEY SHOULD HAVE HIM ANY MINUTE NOW THOUGH, FOR SUPER DUPER REAL THIS TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
EDIT: 4th post, I MUST BE SO SUPER FLIBBITY FLOBBITY MAAAAAADDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111h
To be fair.. this IS the left getting their shit together.Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardCranium
They can't campaign on their real end goal of socialism, because they wouldn't get very many votes. So they have to pretend they are trying to help (insert victim group here) because Trump won't.
I hope Elizabeth Warren is their candidate.. it'll be a landslide.
That bitch be cray cray.
This is correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by Parkbandit
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I don't trust people who don't shave their upper cheeks.
This whole thing gets more bizarre every day. Manafort resurfacing, some mysterious package of conspiracy theories that guiliani admits he created...with fake letterhead to look like it came from the Whitehouse.
I heard about the box of stuff with whitehouse letterhead, didn't know Guilliani admitted to creating it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alfster
If I was Trump, I'd create fake accusations every day just to prove the media would bite on all of them.
Plot twist: Trump was the Ukraine whistleblowerQuote:
Originally Posted by Suppa Hobbit Mage
The packet had a return address that matched that of the Manhattan office of Giuliani, who later confirmed that he was responsible for their production, telling The New York Times they came from a “professional investigator who works for my company.”
I only ever liked Giuliani during 9/11. Before and after I always thought he was a blowhard. Under Trump he's even more ridiculous.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alfster
edit to say - by 9/11 I'm mean his response to it. He was present and doing shit.
Yup. Agreed. His role seems to be what the whistleblower called out, which is a non government employee with no security clearances pushing the agenda for the administration through back channels, while continuing to work with manafort. I'm not sure that's a fact yet - but there's a lot of reporting about it today.
Democrats 2020 strategy:
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My money is on Bolton being the whistleblower.
https://media1.tenor.com/images/197b...itemid=5696174Quote:
Originally Posted by Alfster
Everyday that man becomes more and more a snake oil salesman.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alfster
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Originally Posted by Alfster
We were constantly learning more and more about Clinton’s misdeeds and trying to get people to not cooperate and shit. So far we have the fake whistleblower was wrong on just about everything and the Democrats’ original claim for impeachment has already been destroyed. What exactly is left to investigate? At this point Democrats are just using this false whistleblower complaint as an excuse to go on a fishing expedition in the hopes of finding something or going to accuse Trump of a coverup. You really should stop being so gullible, leave that for the liberal elites.Quote:
Originally Posted by Some Rogue
Clinton was charged with lying under oath. "Constantly learning about his misdeeds" LMAO
And they couldn't even convict on that. That is a pretty cut and dried thing to figure out. You want to talk gullible though? You believe every lie Trump and Rudy come up with and spit it back out like a good little boy. Hell, Trump is digging himself deeper every single day because he is so triggered. They need to just let him hang himself. Little snowflake Trump needs a safe space I guess. He is getting bullied! Poor little guy.
You're precisely the type of person that foxnews was created for. Holy batshit conspiracy theory.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
Fake whistleblower.
Whistleblower wrong.
Called out Clinton.
Lol. You should have added in fake news. You do realize you're the exact same retard as backlash right? Just your the other spectrum.
You think that’s the only thing the investigation revealed?Quote:
Originally Posted by Some Rogue
Whistle blower was wrong. They said aid was mentioned in the call and there was a specific quid pro quo, both of which were wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alfster
It boiled down to that, yes. It was the republican version of what's happening today to Trump.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
That’s what he was charged with. The investigation uncovered all of the women he assaulted too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Suppa Hobbit Mage
And you're on the same spectrum as Backlash... which should tell you something...Quote:
Originally Posted by Alfster
https://www.wsj.com/articles/schiffs...ne-11570143046
This is all the reasons why Schiff screwed himself and his credibility.
"Mr. Schiff on Sept. 13, a Friday night, issued the explosive news that he had been alerted a few days earlier by the intelligence community’s inspector general of an “urgent” yet unspecified whistleblower complaint. But the complaint is dated Aug. 12, and news reports now say the whistleblower interacted with Mr. Schiff’s staff prior to then. So Mr. Schiff knew about the topic of the complaint for more than a month—while the public did not. It is now clear why the intelligence chairman in that month suddenly developed an interest in all things Ukrainian, and began aggressively previewing his impeachment mantra.
On Aug. 23, for instance, Mr. Schiff tweeted that Mr. Trump tried to “get dirt on a political opponent” via personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani’s interaction with the office of the Ukrainian president. On Aug. 28, the chairman tweeted his newfound concern that Mr. Trump was “withholding vital military aid to Ukraine.” And on Sept. 9, Mr. Schiff suddenly announced his committee would launch a full-fledged investigation into whether Mr. Trump was trying to “pressure Ukraine to help the President’s re-election campaign.” All this was priming the public and the media for what was to come—the better to take full advantage of the whistleblower “news.”
Yet even after news broke of the complaint, Mr. Schiff played dumb. On Sept. 17, he flatly (and falsely) stated on MSNBC: “We have not spoken directly with the whistleblower.” Two days later, he thanked the inspector general, Michael Atkinson, without whom “we might not have even known there was a whistleblower complaint.” Really? Mr. Schiff wanted to make it sound as if the Trump administration was muzzling the complainant, when in fact the process was working and Mr. Schiff knew all about it."
So the fact a member of Congress was aware of a whistleblower complaint somehow invalidates the acts being reported by the whistleblower? No, I didn't think so.
He crafted the narrative. I said nothing of the validity of the report you blind partisan fuck.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
By promoting and article which furthers the false narrative that the whistleblower complaint is a political hack job, you're doing exactly that. You're about as objective as Giuliani in that regard.
And you're being as objective as Adam Schiff4Brains at this point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
We got the transcript of the call.. turned out that the whistle blower that received 2nd hand information was at the very least uninformed and incorrect...
BUT ZOMG WE MUST BELIEVE EVERY COMPLAINT BECAUSE ORANGE MAN BAD!!!!!!!!
https://www.wsj.com/articles/schiffs...ne-11570143046Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
This is all the reasons why Schiff screwed himself and his credibility.
"Mr. Schiff on Sept. 13, a Friday night, issued the explosive news that he had been alerted a few days earlier by the intelligence community’s inspector general of an “urgent” yet unspecified whistleblower complaint. But the complaint is dated Aug. 12, and news reports now say the whistleblower interacted with Mr. Schiff’s staff prior to then. So Mr. Schiff knew about the topic of the complaint for more than a month—while the public did not. It is now clear why the intelligence chairman in that month suddenly developed an interest in all things Ukrainian, and began aggressively previewing his impeachment mantra.
On Aug. 23, for instance, Mr. Schiff tweeted that Mr. Trump tried to “get dirt on a political opponent” via personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani’s interaction with the office of the Ukrainian president. On Aug. 28, the chairman tweeted his newfound concern that Mr. Trump was “withholding vital military aid to Ukraine.” And on Sept. 9, Mr. Schiff suddenly announced his committee would launch a full-fledged investigation into whether Mr. Trump was trying to “pressure Ukraine to help the President’s re-election campaign.” All this was priming the public and the media for what was to come—the better to take full advantage of the whistleblower “news.”
Yet even after news broke of the complaint, Mr. Schiff played dumb. On Sept. 17, he flatly (and falsely) stated on MSNBC: “We have not spoken directly with the whistleblower.” Two days later, he thanked the inspector general, Michael Atkinson, without whom “we might not have even known there was a whistleblower complaint.” Really? Mr. Schiff wanted to make it sound as if the Trump administration was muzzling the complainant, when in fact the process was working and Mr. Schiff knew all about it."
Man the Taylor texts to Sondland literally look like a trap - and Sondland deftly decimated the trap in his responses.
more details required plzszszszszszszsQuote:
Originally Posted by Suppa Hobbit Mage
https://www.washingtonpost.com/conte...-b67c3440e283/
https://www.npr.org/2019/10/04/76708...e-quid-pro-quo
In one exchange dated Sept. 9, in a text Taylor sent to Sondland, the career diplomat says: "I think it's crazy to withhold security assistance for help with a political campaign."
Sondland responds: "Bill, I believe you are incorrect about President Trump's intentions. The President has been crystal clear no quid pro quo's of any kind."
Sondland continues, "I suggest we stop the back and forth by text."
"“Bill, I believe you are incorrect about President Trump’s intentions,” Sondland wrote. “The President has been crystal clear no quid pro quo’s of any kind. The President is trying to evaluate whether Ukraine is truly going to adopt the transparency and reforms that President Zelensky promised during his campaign.”Then Trump’s ambassador to the E.U. said that they should “stop the back and forth by text.”
“If you still have concerns,” Sondland added curtly, Taylor should call “S” – which is how people in the department refer to Secretary of State Mike Pompeo – or Lisa Kenna, one of the secretary’s top aides. “Thanks.”"
In before HE KNEW ABOUT THIS TRAP BEFOREHAND AND WAS COVERING FOR TRUMP WE NEED LOGS OF EVERY TEXT HE'S EVER SENT TO ANYONE IN THE HISTORY OF TEXT MESSAGING OTHERWISE THIS IS PROOF TRUMP IS CORRUPT!!!!!!!!!!111Quote:
Originally Posted by Suppa Hobbit Mage
About those ellipses in the transcript..
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The call between Trump and Zelensky measured at about 65 words per minute. Transcripts of Trump’s calls have been released in the past. A 24-minute call with then-Australian Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull came in at 133 words per minute, while a 53-minute call with then-Mexican President Enrique Peña Nieto, using interpreters, clocked in at 102 words per minute.
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LOL @ Salon doing WPM analysis. LMFAO
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All the above are conclusive proof of russian collusion, obstruction of justice, high crimes and misdemeanors, popular vote versus electoral vote, racism, sexism and whatever else the soy boys on the left have thrown at trump for 3 years.
This is taking butthurt to a whole new level holy fuck :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by ClydeR
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Originally Posted by ClydeR
This is crazy right? It's not just me?Quote:
The length of the call has also been called into question. The document claims to summarize a 30-minute call but Sen. Angus King, I-Maine, told CNN that staffers in his office read the exchange out loud and clocked it at under 11 minutes, nearly 20 minutes shorter than the length described by the document.
This is the type of thing a 10 year old thinks up to prove how smart they are. But it's not a 10 year old. It's our elected officials conducting "investigations" into probably the most serious matter in the entire world: impeaching a sitting US president.
I guess I can't fully blame our elected officials because our media are willingly playing along with this shit. Imagine seriously publishing this in your news article instead of pushing back and saying "Dude are you serious?"
This entire thing just looks like a complete setup.
So there was a new "bombshell" in this aid bullshit in which there were text messages shared between a senior diplomat to Ukraine and someone else.
Said diplomat Bill Taylor said: "As I said on the phone, I think it's crazy to withhold security assistance for help with a political campaign."
The left went nuts! "PROOF THERE WAS A QUID PRO QUO RIGHT THERE! THIS PERSON HEARD IT FIRST!"
Not only did the person in texts spell out in no uncertain terms that there was no quid pro quo, but Democrats were making it sound like Bill Taylor had first hand knowledge of the supposed quid pro quo, only problem is that narrative is completely false.
Turns out Taylor's "knowledge" of a supposed quid pro quo was an article he read in Politico. That article was written by Natasha Bertrand, someone who has been pushing one Trump conspiracy theory after another.
This is all just too much bullshit to digest for a Friday evening.
What about the Micro Machines guy?Quote:
Originally Posted by Suppa Hobbit Mage
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/2nd-...7_null_bsq_hed
Looks like the Deep State is going to produce whatever it is they need for the coup against Trump. Then they can install Hillary, make everyone drive Priuses instead of flying, eliminate hamburgers from the face of the Earth, remove all borders, and have a big multi-gender orgy. AMIRITE?Quote:
Mark Zaid, the attorney representing the whistleblower who sounded the alarm on President Donald Trump's dealings with Ukraine and triggered an impeachment inquiry, tells ABC News that he is now representing a second whistleblower who has spoken with the inspector general.
Zaid tells ABC News' Chief Anchor George Stephanopoulos that the second person -- also described as an intelligence official -- has first-hand knowledge of some of the allegations outlined in the original complaint and has been interviewed by the head of the intelligence community's internal watchdog office, Michael Atkinson.
The existence of a second whistleblower -- particularly one who can speak directly about events involving the president related to conversations involving Ukraine -- could undercut Trump's repeated insistence that the original complaint, released on Sept. 26, was "totally inaccurate."
Finally Back makes sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Back
Come on now, Back, even someone like you can surely see this is starting to look like complete bullshit.
"Whistleblower" with third and fourth hand information comes forward with accusations that are mostly false. The whistleblower spoke with top Democrats in the House prior to coming forward. Democrats say it's bad shit and demand transcripts of the phone call, expecting Trump to deny the request and using that as further evidence that Trump is corrupt.
Instead Trump complies with the demand, the transcript shows the whistleblower is mostly wrong, Democrats immediately move on to the next talking point that the transcript isn't important, Adam Schiff realizes the whistleblower complaint is such shit that he has to literally make up what Trump said in the transcript to make Trump look as bad as possible and John Brennan practically begs more "whistleblowers" to come forward and wouldn't you know it? More "whistleblowers" come forward.
Even someone of your limited intelligence has to admit this all seems rather suspect, even if you don't want to flat out admit it's all bullshit.
The only thing suspect is Trump's patriotism in asking a foreign government to investigate an American political rival.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
Trump has full disposal of the American intelligence apparatus to investigate anything he wants yet he asks a transitioning Ukranian government and the adversarial government of China to investigate. Trump is ready to believe these foreign governments over his own intelligence agencies like when Putin told him he didn't meddle.
Watch the republicans in the Senate abandon Trump when the trial comes.
So people running for president can't be investigated for possible crimes? What about people who are currently president?Quote:
Originally Posted by Back
Pretty sure Barr is looking into some of this shit too. Does that make you feel better?Quote:
Originally Posted by Back
Trump is targeting the Bidens for political gain. Don't be naive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
Are you ready to state here for the record that you would approve of the next Democratic president asking any foreign government to investigate any of Trump's children's dealings without any evidence whatsoever of wrongdoing?
And the endless stream of butthurt Democrats aren't targeting Trump for political gain?Quote:
Originally Posted by Back
So the endless nonsense and endless investigations into Trump is seeking justice, but just the mere mention of investigating Biden or any Democrat is "targeting for political gain"? Do I understand the fucked up brain that is Back?
Without any evidence? Absolutely not. Biden BRAGGED ON VIDEO about withholding money until Ukraine fired the prosecutor investigating the company his son worked for. Doesn't that at least warrant an investigation? No? But third and fourth hand hearsay warrants an impeachment? This is too much even for you, Back.Quote:
Originally Posted by Back
You're world is one of the most willful ignorant ones out there. Jesus dude, you're full in on all th propoganda and too stupid to notice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
You're missing major pieces here, but Breitbart and fox won't show you those. You cry about fake news, then intentionally position yourself to only believe your safe spaces.
Trump should be investigated because he has not been forthcoming about anything to the point of obstruction over a so-called witch hunt. If there were nothing to hide he would not be trying so hard to hide things. Wouldn't the best way to say "shut up democrats" be to show them everything to prove there is nothing there? Instead Trump has gone out of his way to obstruct the Mueller investigation from start to finish.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
That investigation did find that Russia meddled in our election and that Trump could be arrested as soon as he leaves office. Trump was the one who benefited from the meddling, Trump's operatives met with Russians in Trump tower and lied about it, Trump asked the Russians to hack the DNC emails and they did.
Except the investigation into Trump includes him obstructing American lawmakers while the Bidens have been cleared of any wrongdoing already. The investigation into Trump is by Americans. Trump is asking foreign governments to investigate a political rival and his son.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
Biden bragged about being a part of the reason a corrupt Ukrainian prosecutor was fired, who was not investigating his son but the owner of the company his son was on the board of, and that allies in the EU also thought that prosecutor should go.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
Its much more than third and fourth hand hearsay at this point. You should check some other sources of information than those who are trying to deceive you into believing your enemies are other Americans.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
Just tell me what I'm wrong about. You always do this, just post vague nonsense about how I'm always wrong and watch Fox News or something. Put up or shut the fuck up and get off deez nuts already.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alfster
Talk about irony.Quote:
Originally Posted by Back
Whom exactly cleared the Bidens of any wrongdoing? Have a link handy?Quote:
Originally Posted by Back
I love this, there is a ABC video where they have Rep Hakeen Jeffries spewing the company line about if Trum has done nothing wrong, why does he keep hiding things. Lack of transparency doesn't mean you committed a crime. Not talking to a government investigator does not mean guilt. I love this BS. This is Joseph Goebbels at his finest.
There is stuff out there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
Here is one good link that debunks the claim.
https://theintercept.com/2019/05/10/...reformer-says/
I was going to read the entire article but that's a lot of nonsense to sift through. I did get through the first few paragraphs and I can't help but notice not a single formal investigation was mentioned at all. Is there one mentioned later in the article that you can quote for me?Quote:
Originally Posted by Back
Or is it when it comes to Biden we can rely on "an American-educated lawyer who founded Ukraine’s Anti-Corruption Action Center" to clear not only Joe Biden but also his son, but when it comes to Trump we need endless investigations which cost the American taxpayers tens of millions of dollars?
To investigate what? That the vice president was doing his job?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
Yes but only because there are obvious signs that Trump has obstructed an official investigation here in America, sought assistance from an adversarial foreign government in the 2016 election, and has now openly asked for more from Ukraine and China. And thats just in the top 5 things Trump has done to undermine the American government. Remember, Trump has said believes Putin over our own intelligence community.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01