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I find myself wondering about the significance of the reports that Mueller is purportedly planning on writing: one on the obstruction case and one on the collusion case.
There are some legitimate outstanding questions here:
Why TWO reports at different times? DoJ guidelines only require one report:
The guidelines don't call for Mueller's team to submit separate reports for both the obstruction investigation and the collusion investigation. Likewise, the report need only go to the AG (in this case, Deputy AG). They aren't automatically made public- Rosenstein would have to make that decision (though that is in his rights by statute). Now obviously there are very good reasons to make the findings public- regardless of what they are.Quote:
At the conclusion of the Special Counsel's work, he or she shall provide the Attorney General with a confidential report explaining the prosecution or declination decisions reached by the Special Counsel.
It does seem like Mueller has come to the conclusion that he cannot indict a sitting President- otherwise there's arguably no point in early reports. The Special Counsel statute is actually oddly ambiguous about this. According to the statute, Mueller is bound by all DoJ guidelines, statutes, decisions, etc- which means he's bound by the current DoJ opinion that sitting Presidents are immune to criminal indictment. The statute does, however, allow for the AG (Rosenstein in this case) to waive this requirement in extraordinary situations. But it's unclear if Rosenstein would actually have the authority to change this particular guideline (and also that he or Mueller would even want to).
With that in mind, there seem to be two likely possibilities for Mueller's reasoning behind issuing two reports:
1) He believes Trump is innocent of obstruction AND collusion: Since this is an election year he wants to take that piece of the equation out of voters' minds so his investigation isn't impacting their decisions.
This is reasonable, but it also seems very risky to exonerate the President on obstruction before Mueller has finished the Collusion investigation. The fact that he is planning on issuing two reports at different dates- AND that they're still issuing subpoenas and questioning witnesses in an ever-widening pattern- suggests there's quite a bit more work to do on the collusion probe. And it would be extremely confusing to the electorate to give a report declaring Trump innocent in obstruction and then risk having to give a second report later saying he's guilty of something much more serious- especially in an election year. Also, giving him a clean report would risk Trump and his allies feeling emboldened to shut the investigation down before he finished the collusion piece.
2) He believes Trump is guilty of obstruction AND likely collusion: Not only is he certain there's a strong case to make in the obstruction side of things, but he's genuinely concerned that Trump will become increasingly bold and impulsive in his actions and will shut the investigation down.
He's concerned because he has strong evidence that the Trump campaign (and Trump himself) colluded with the Russian government to throw the election, and if Trump is allowed to shut the investigation down- he doesn't trust that Congress will hold him accountable (or ever get ahold of the evidence they would need). Issuing a report laying out a serious pattern of obstruction of justice by POTUS would make it impossible for Trump to shut the collusion investigation down- fully insulating Mueller and his team from political pressure and allowing them to finish the most serious part of the investigation. And candidly, if Mueller didn't strongly suspect Trump of having colluded with the Russians, it's unlikely he would be mounting this extraordinary pressure on Manafort right now.
This feels less risky than the first option. If Trump is guilty of obstruction, it wouldn't be jarring to the electorate to later determine that suspicions aside- Trump isn't guilty in any criminal sense of colluding with Russia. And it's the safest route for the investigation if he believes there is serious wrongdoing.
That's just your response to being told no one takes you seriously. You might as well just say "JUST ARGUE WITH ME GUYS COME ON YOU HAVE TOOOOOO!!!!!!" You seem to have a problem with not being taken seriously. Tell us why we're wrong for that.
Or another way to phrase your response would be:
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Confirmed, Methais is Estlid.
OMG THIS IS REALLY IT TRUMP'S GOING DOWN FOR REAL EVEN THOUGH HE WAS SUPPOSED TO GO DOWN WHEN I FIRST SAID IT IN LIKE AUGUST OR SOME SHIT BUT IGNORE THE OTHER 487302 TIMES I SAID IT WAS HAPPENING BECAUSE THIS TIME IT'S FOR REALZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
No means no. What part don't you understand? #MeTooQuote:
Mahalo sweetie.
Well-connected Lebanese-American businessman George Nader, a key witness given limited immunity by Mueller, has been interviewed seven times by prosecutors on a wide range of subjects. He told investigators that he set up a meeting in the Seychelles between Prince and Russian sovereign wealth fund CEO Kirill Dmitriev, mere days before Trump was inaugurated, sources familiar with the investigation said this week.
Hrm, that's not what Prince told Congress, he said the meeting was purely by chance.
OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG
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Do you have anything else besides "Please defend this position you haven't taken"? No? Oh. How disappointing.
Or another way to phrase your response would be:
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The accurate way to describe your post is:
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lol
How many people have you guys accused me of being at this point? Again, don't know what "Flimbo" is, since there's no user on the PC with that name.
It doesn't know who Flimbo is LOL
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Even more things that Flimbo would be saying to protect his true Flimbo identity.
Reported for being Flimbo, enjoy your ban.
Also reported for failing at quoting in your previous post:
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Enjoy your double ban noobsocks.
Bill Kristol on twitter today:
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Trump is now doing things he's always wanted to do, ignoring or overruling his advisors: For example, slapping tariffs on China, getting out of Syria, and sending the military to the border. Here's another thing Trump's long wanted to do: Fire Mueller.
I suspect that's why Mueller told Trump he wasn't a target, and that he was just one interview away from closing down half of the investigation (at least, as it pertains to Trump).
And, as I mentioned last night, I suspect there is a reason why Mueller is trying to get the obstruction report out quickly.
Anyone else notice that the stronger the arguments and evidence get against Trump, the more rapidly the right wingers post non-replies in the form of jeering and gif'ing?
It's the strangest thing.
Season 1 is going to end with the report on Obstruction of Justice, just as I predicted. Looking forward to finding out the answer to this poll from last year:
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They have no answers. If trump is found to be a crook, they will say, "I never liked him anyway, I only post to entertain myself with libtard tears."
Oh ya, that was when they defended firing Comey because he doesn't have anything to do with investigations. There are some real gems in that thread.
I'm not sure why you can't understand a very simple concept: NOTHING you do, say, pretend to be, etc... "upsets" me in the least.
At all.
You are a joke. Sorry to burst your bubble.
You have bought into this conspiracy theory that Trump colluded with Russia and THAT is why your girl lost.
And when it doesn't come to fruition to your satisfaction, you will blame it on sexism or Deep State or whatever else the Democrat Party tells you to regurgitate.
And the only thing that will eclipse the current meltdown you and your ignorant ilk have been having for the past 18 months is when Trump is re-elected to a 2nd term.
And yes, I will be voting for Trump JUST for that specific reason.
Just remember: Most people have control of their emotions far better than you. They don't get "upset" or "frightened" or "scared" like you have stated you have been since 11/8/16... so please, stop projecting and seriously, get on some medication.
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Seems level-headed and not at all unhinged. Have you forgotten how you were exposed in the rep thread? Obsessed, furiously hostile, in a sexual way, no less. .... Yeah. Sorry, PB. You're not in a credible position to say who is or isn't upset, and who needs medication. You badly need psychiatric care.
(i) any links and/or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump; and
(ii) any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation; and
(iii) any other matters within the scope of 28 C.F.R 600.4(a)
As always, you are a source of endless amusement. Let's show the class how "not" upset you are by me:
This is the negative rep you kept coming back to my old posts to give me- over and over again- when I hadn't posted publicly here for months:
I can't imagine being so upset that someone told me I was wrong that I would go back to their old posts for 5 months after I believed they had left a forum to give them fake digital negative reputation every few weeks- and to keep having a one sided conversation with them.Quote:
01-23-2018 11:20 PM
LOL@URREP
12-22-2017 09:30 AM
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12-10-2017 08:54 AM
It is so peaceful since you up and left. Thank you.
11-09-2017 08:26 AM
LOLOL
10-22-2017 08:00 AM
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10-10-2017 09:24 PM
Glad you are gone.
09-26-2017 12:17 PM
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09-23-2017 11:04 AM
Stay red, bitch. I would tell you we miss you, but you know that is a lie. Good riddance to retarded rubbish.
09-07-2017 08:54 AM
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08-28-2017 07:29 AM
So glad we forced you to leave. BYE
08-20-2017 08:15 AM
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08-15-2017 04:26 PM
Lol you can't really be this retarded this has to be an act. Except it isn't and you're just that much of a fringe lunatic
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It was a pretty consistent source of amusement for me and the people I laughed about it with, but at the same time such a deeply sad reflection of how extraordinarily upset I made you by pointing out that you were wrong.
But, I digress. Tell me some more about that masterful control you have over your emotions
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The Butthurt Squad is out in force tonight.
Now, back to regular business while we wait for PB to come back and fall apart.
CNN reporting this evening that Trump has begun some prep for his Mueller interview. That would seem to suggest that they're at least considering accepting (honestly, at this point they may just figure that waiting for a subpoena would make the press around this much, much worse). It would also seem to suggest that the last meeting with Mueller has changed the equation a bit. (Which would also explain why Dowd left around that time)
CNN is also reporting tonight that one of Trump's advisers during the campaign went to the FBI with what he claimed were Clinton's deleted email:Quote:
One source familiar with the proceedings stressed the preparation efforts is "in its infancy."
The preparations have been short and informal and included going over potential topics with the President that Mueller would likely raise in an interview, the people said.
Remember all those times Trump and his campaign denied any contact with Russia?Quote:
Joseph Schmitz approached the FBI and other government agencies about material a client of his had discovered that Schmitz believed might have been Clinton's missing 30,000 emails from her private e-mail server, sources say. The material was never verified, and sources say they ultimately believed it was fake.
His push is the latest example of Trump advisers who were mixed up in efforts to find dirt on Clinton during the presidential campaign. Schmitz was one of the first people Trump named to his campaign's national security and foreign policy team. The team, showcased in a March 2016 photo, was thrown together early in Trump's successful run as he faced mounting pressure to prove his ability to pull in high-level advisers who could help prepare him for the White House.
Another adviser pictured in the photo, Trump's foreign policy adviser George Papadopoulos, was told by a Kremlin-connected professor that the Russian government had damaging material on Clinton. Six weeks later, Donald Trump Jr. got a message from a business associate offering similar information, leading to the Trump Tower meeting that Trump's son-in-law Jared Kushner and then-campaign chairman Paul Manafort attended.
Fired chief strategist Steve Bannon told the House Intelligence Committee in February that members of the Trump campaign "kept getting approached" by outsiders suggesting ways to get Clinton's emails, according to a source familiar with his testimony.
Yeah.
LMAO. This is so typical.
Attachment 8964
So, you don't know when someone is upset and when someone isn't. Ok. Not surprised I have to slow talk this for you, but here, I will give you clear cut examples of someone who is not in control of their emotions and is clearly upset:
That election thread still makes me laugh...
Thank you.
So is that what you were thinking when- 4 months after my last public post here and 3 days before Christmas- you looked up one of my old posts on a forum for a game you haven't played in years and gave it negative rep to make yourself feel better?
Didn't have a lot going on at that point, did we?
That was probably before you learned this masterful control over your emotions though.
pb literally every time he posts on the PC
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someone on lnet said its why his wife divorced him
Honestly. For all the hardships you have in your pathetic life.. I would think you would be better at guessing people's feelings. You have been surrounded by misery your whole life, from your mean old step daddy, to your illegal brother... I mean come on.. how can you NOT have figured this out by now? Can you really be that obtuse?
Is it that you got a negative rep from me that has you still upset 5 months later.. or that it was 3 days before Christmas?Quote:
Didn't have a lot going on at that point, did we?
Again. I got exactly what I wanted out of that red rep comment that took me literally 2 seconds to make: 5 months later, you are STILL upset over it.Quote:
That was probably before you learned this masterful control over your emotions though.
I honestly wish I could say I'm sorry I hurt your feelings over it... but I'm literally laughing at you right now.
"Better living through pharmaceuticals"... I don't normally prescribe to that saying.. but for you, I'm thinking it can't get any worse.
And when President Trump kicks your gay, illegal brother out of the country like you were so scared about.. you will probably need it.
Shit.. 3 posts in a row.
Clearly I must be upset then.................
Now 4. :(
Woa, I don't know what he's saying but PB sure seems to be saying a lot. Probably defending how great his life is?
Well, we certainly don't ever have to worry about you making any of those claims.
Well.. maybe the white part. That's it.
So far from you.. my "girlfriend" works at McDonalds.. and she's one of your sources.. and "someone" claimed I got a divorce.
You aren't even good at making shit up.. at least when I say you are a mooch, you work at Goodwill and you complain about women masturbating too loudly.. it's factual.
3rd post.
Just because I'm clearly so upset.
I would most certainly trust diethx, who posted on these forums, than I ever would trust you.
And it's Goodwill... one word. Have some damn respect for a company that actually employed you.
And no, there's nothing wrong with the people who are working for that organization. They employ people who other companies won't.
It's an excellent charity for that reason.
That's only because she set the bar for ultra retardedness that other retards like you are measured against. i.e. "Golly, pk sure has been unhinged as fuck and making zero sense lately, he's acting just like time4fun!"
Backlash used to hold the retard championship until time4strapon showed up and took it from him.
Either way, that's not being triggered. You, cwolff, time4fun, and Ashliana are the definition of being triggered, and it's only gotten worse since 11/8/16.
The rest of us are just laughing at how stupid and delusional you all are. But sure keep projecting your chronic butthurt triggered state on us so you can try and delude yourselves into thinking you're not incredible retards with mental instability issues while we laugh at you even more.
Wait, is Ashlianna and time4fun the same person? I'm confused with the alt account allegations.
A few people thought Rhesia was time4triggered a few weeks ago for some reason. Not sure why though, because while she did come across as fairly clueless about things, she wasn't all cunty and uppity and didn't seem like she's on a baked beans only diet so that she can spend all day every day deeply inhaling her own farts like time4flatulence does.
You seem to be in the know on what's popular with mall girls. Do you hang out with them? Or are you still watching them like this, even though security has warned you multiple times to stop?
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It must really bother you not being able to post gay porn anymore ever since Kranar wrecked all your accounts.
time4fun is one of those people that makes conversations all about themselves, even when people aren't talking to them or about them:
[Merchant]-GSIV:Boomsplat: "price check on a T2 of T3 black ora Estoc and a 6x 2 slot fusion falchion"
[Merchant]-GSIV:Vishra: "OMG that estoc is still around?"
[Merchant]-GSIV:Vishra: "that used to be mine!"
3x posts
This is her almost every day on LNet.
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Okay, Methais. If you can't see the difference between:
A) creating an alternate account (for a real reason), and then doing that a handful of times (I had like two on-topic posts before I fucked it up), versus
B) leaving a slew of people bigoted, angrily sexualized comments literally for years, cycling through rep as fast as the system would allow so he could continue raving...
Then I don't know what to tell you, other than perhaps you also need therapy. Even PB, after being publicly exposed, was shamed into changing his comments to "..............," so either he knew what he was doing was wrong, or as a sociopath, at least didn't want people knowing how deranged he is when he thinks nobody's looking. Given the wider context of his general behavior, probably the latter. Now he's resigned himself to just obsessively rep cycling to make sure anybody who dares disagree with his mindless partisanship turns red, since he can't actually argue his way out of a wet paper bag.
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But I do like how a handful of posts engendered a decade of PB's hysterical accusations of other people being me, though. Tsa'ah.. Wesley.. Kithus.. Time.. Macgyver.. Any others I'm forgetting?
lol @ your rep
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OMG OMG OMG THINGS ARE REALLY HEATING UP NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111
You being so upset over the rep comments I left you makes me so happy. Mission Accomplished.
Thank you.
Also, I love how you blame your stupidity for agreeing with your own post on another login. Are you suggesting that you were just going to agree with yourself? It wasn't a fuck up.. it was an intentional attempt to give yourself support, which is beyond pathetic, bordering on psychotic.
BTW: I don't believe I ever accused you of being Tsa`ah. Sorry.
THAT is the nugget you're holding onto? "SHE DIDN'T SAY BEG, SHE SAID I WAS SO HAPPY I FINALLY GOT A JOB AT GOODWILL!"
And lies? Really? You said I had a girlfriend who works at McDonalds and that I'm divorced, both of which are creations from your drug addled, barely functioning brain.
"BUT SHE DIDN'T SAY BEG!!!!!"
You're a pathetic, creepy little sponge.
lol, you can't even answer a simple question without flipping the fuck out.
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He's not upset PK. He's totally in control of his emotions.
The fact that he's posting in all caps and insults, and the fact that he spends his days picking fights in a forum dedicated to a game he hasn't played in years is a sign of his emotional control. (Actually I'm serious about that last part)
Ya man, but we're all posting here. Libs, wing nuts, normal people...probably even a Ted Nugent fan or two. And we've all played this game for 20 years. I know people hate that I post here a lot (at least when I'm "on again" with GSIV) so I can understand that people would be upset by the long T4F posts but that's just how it is. I like her posts and appreciate that she does it.
THAT'S IT GUYS THE JIG IS UP BETTER NOT POST ANYMORE IN THE POLITICS SECTION OF A GAMING FORUM
Well....that's like the thing that ties us together isn't it? Playing the game? I don't care that someone wants to post here though. It's free and open to anyone so fuck it. That being said; it is damn strange that PB invests the time and energy he does invest into stalking and trolling people that come here anyway because they're buying a new weapon or asking a question about a profession.
Forty, I want you guys to post more. Put ideas into the Politics folder and defend them on their merits. Even call me a retard because of something like guns don't kill people and there's no correlation between overall violent death and gun ownership or whatever. Post a link to a study even. I wish you all would do more of that.
I don't do it often because I don't have all that much time nor care to really change opinion on a gaming forum. This is more entertainment for me than anything else.
Yes I voted for Trump. I think it's great he is President. About as far as I really care to go right now because politically, things are going the way I'd like them to go.
Manafort is at it again. The Hill is reporting that he is now challenging some of the evidence Mueller's investigation procured from a storage locker:
This appears to have been part of the flurry of subpoenas that Mueller's team got shortly after flipping Gates.Quote:
Former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort filed a motion late Friday to suppress evidence special counsel Robert Mueller’s team found in a storage locker in Virginia.
Manafort is claiming that Mueller unlawfully had access to the business records in the unit because a former Manafort employer listed on the lease allowed entry. According to Manafort, the employee didn’t have the authority to allow a FBI agent into the unit.
During that visit, agent didn’t seize any records but “entered and observed a number of boxes and a filing cabinet inside the premises, as well as some writing on the sides of some boxes,” according to the filing.
The agent wrote and signed an affidavit in favor of a search of the storage unit the next day, in May 2017, using “information he had obtained during his warrantless search” to argue in favor of a warrant to search and seize documents from the unit, the court documents state.
Manafort's legal strategy continues to perplex. He's fighting against a waterfall with a toy bucket.
Though if you look at this as a non-legal, legal strategy it starts to make some sense. He's not trying to win this case- he's stalling.
My best guess on this one is that Manafort does have the closet of smoking guns that Mueller thinks he has (maybe for collusion, or maybe just something unrelated entirely), and he knows that Trump is aware of that fact. He's waiting for Mueller to overplay his hand- get all of the charges out in Federal Court, and then he's counting on Trump for a pardon. Trump can't pardon him too early- any charges that are left off the table can (and will) be picked right back up by the NY AG.
A significant number of his financial crimes are in New York's jurisdiction, but New York specifically has a double jeopardy law on the books. Anything Manafort is pardoned for in Federal Court is officially off limits for the NY AG.
This borders a bit too heavily on conspiracy theory territory for my usual liking, but given how extreme the situation is with Manafort right now- an extreme explanation is increasingly likely.
If these rights were sacred then trump supporters would kick him in the balls for attacking journalism and protesting athletes the way he does. I've also never seen jacked up pick ups flying the Molon Labe flag out there protesting DUI checkpoints. Manafort is clutching at straws here. I believe his tenant or someone let the FBI into the shed?
Then the legal argument and strategy will fall flat on its face. That's why there is a legal process.
And it's troubling you give a conditional statement about whether or not the rights are sacred. The 4th amendment is extremely important but it's not surprising to me that liberals such as yourself want to dismantle that one too. There's no IF about that in my book.
The rights have all been "dismantled" then (except for quartering troops perhaps). Same problem as the bible. If they were divine rights then we'd all agree on what they mean and wouldn't need a court to ponder on the meanings. That's beside the point though. Manafort should vigorously defend himself. He should fight the evidence and the government. I think he'll lose and I'm rooting against him.
I don't think he's stretching. I agree with Gingrich and the Republicans. Mueller is gonna call balls and strikes. Besides, it's not even up to him to release anything about trump. If Rosenstein gets the report in Oct. they can leak that trump's a crook, trump's exonerated or they can actually release the report. Both sides can play it anyway they want and if it does exonerate trump the GOP will benefit greatly in elections.
Really curious as to what Mueller got in the March raid that's got Manafort so spooked.
I try not to get my hopes up. IMO it's just lawyers being lawyers. I hope it's some real solid evidence though.
Ya, dems and republicans. They'll leak/spin it before they even get out of the briefing room.
What changed? Mueller was "the man" there for a while. All the GOP sang his praises as a straight shooter. He's not been doing press conferences or leaking. Why now do the republicans attack him and the FBI so much?
What does not playing the game have ANYTHING to do with the political folder here?
You're STILL upset about a red rep I gave you 3 days before Christmas.. and after 11/8/16, you should be the very last person to lecture anyone about emotions.
I know, I know.. you were on your period that night too.....
PS - I know this is going to be more than 3 posts in a row... don't get upset by it.
A far better person than you, that is for certain.
I've never had to have a friend let me stay with them because I was down on my luck.
I've never slept with a married woman, then stolen her account to sell her stuff.
I've never had to work at Goodwill.
I've never stayed inside for weeks on end.
And I have most certainly never, ever complained that a girl was masturbating too loudly.
I see "Not Upset PB" just posted 4 times in a row. (Edited- make that 5)
Does anyone know his birthday? Maybe we can all chip in on anger management classes?
Well I'm furious with what the GOP has done so far but I don't put blame on Trump. I think Ryan and McConnell need to go. That said, tax cuts are in effect (which is positive) and hopefully most Americans won't be affected by the next recession to hit (later this year or early 2019).
PB still thinks he makes people upset. Dude, you're the laughing stock of the GS community.
The recent poll for Corker's seat has added a glimmer of hope for the Dems. Also, there's an increasing chance that McCain will end up retiring, and AZ is definitely in purple territory right now. Add to that the fact that the GOP nominee in West Virginia may be that crazy guy who just got out of jail, and you've got a moonshot chance here.
None of these are things I would take to the bank- the Dems are still going to be lucky to break even. But...things are shifting pretty rapidly right now.
A Mueller report pre-election in either direction is likely to energize the GOP base though. That's a potentially significant X factor that no one is really accounting for right now.
I think people are sick of the crap. California is the poverty capital of the nation. There's a good chance a Republican governor will be elected this year.
I think a lot of people are seeing that liberal policies bring disaster and don't work. Perhaps they may not see themselves as Republicans but they may vote that way to get something new/different.
I don't think Dem messaging is inherently problematic. I think that when there's someone like Trump in office- it sucks up all of the oxygen in the room.
When you're the minority party, it's already really hard to get any air time for your message, and when you add in an orange scandal machine- it just compounds the effect.
Sorry.. I honestly only have pity for you. No other emotion.
More pity that actually fall for your bullshit, but I still have only pity for you.
Seriously though, if you need a couple dollars to get you through the day, PM me the address you're at this week and I'll see if I can get around to sending you some.