Dunemaul

[Parkbandit]

You got a pool running on how long it takes Ryask to fail at that guild?

Less time than it took Woten to get Kalandra ala Nightwish Style?

[Some Rogue]

Hey, I had an idea. We could all transfer to a new server and change our names so she couldn't find us. I call dibs on the name Failgrin.


Less time than it took Woten to get Kalandra ala Nightwish Style?

LULZ

[AnticorRifling]

lol

[Parkbandit]

it's so weird... I really like Ryask.. and couldn't stand Kalandra.

Fucking women should stay in the kitchen where they belong.

[Me]

ok what happened? Inquiring minds need to know.

LF

[Me]

it's so weird... I really like Ryask.. and couldn't stand Kalandra.

Fucking women should stay in the kitchen where they belong.

Don't make me bitch smack you. You only liked Ryask because she gave her husband blow jobs during raids. The raids failed but all the men were in a happy fog somewhere.

LF

[Some Rogue]

You mean when he was cybering me he was getting serviced by her????

I feel so dirty.

[Me]

Lets put it this way officer chat used to be really TMI.

LF

[AnticorRifling]

it's so weird... I really like Ryask.. and couldn't stand Kalandra.

Fucking women should stay in the kitchen where they belong.
I don't mind Kalandra outside of WoW. In the game I can't stand either of them.

[Parkbandit]

ok what happened? Inquiring minds need to know.

LF


We've been teaming up with <The Grass is Greener> since before the expansion and our guilds seem to match up extremely well. They cover our weaknesses and we do theirs. We've cleared everything relatively easily so far.. only 25 man Malygos remains.. which we'll down tonight (if the patch doesn't fuck us up). We decided to simply join their guild to make loot prioritizing far easier and help organize our runs.

HoR is still around with alts and n00bs like Nekk who are worse then girls trying to decide which dress to wear to the Prom.

[Me]

Very very cool. Malygos fight is so fun. But I get distracted and try riding my dragon all over the place instead of shooting big dragon. Heh

LF

[Parkbandit]

Don't make me bitch smack you. You only liked Ryask because she gave her husband blow jobs during raids. The raids failed but all the men were in a happy fog somewhere.

LF

I think this was when I was up in Gainesville for 3 months, opening up a hotel... I don't remember it.

Tina comes across rough and impatient.. but once you don't take her too seriously, she's fine.

[Some Rogue]

Fuck yo couch.

I just am not into hardcore raiding and their late start times are bad for me. So sue me asshole.

[AnticorRifling]

I think this was when I was up in Gainesville for 3 months, opening up a hotel... I don't remember it.

Tina comes across rough and impatient.. but once you don't take her too seriously, she's fine.
She's fail and got her raid spots because she warmed up Matray's pant meat. I'm glad she doesn't play a druid anymore because she sucked at it.

[Some Rogue]

She's fail and got her raid spots because she warmed up Matray's pant meat. I'm glad she doesn't play a druid anymore because she sucked at it.


Those are the exact reasons we called her Mrs. Anticor.

[AnticorRifling]

Those are the exact reasons we called her Mrs. Anticor.
I got my raid invite to innervate Sinax....and generally I ended up innervating the Kand because I failed at macros.

[Parkbandit]

She's fail and got her raid spots because she warmed up Matray's pant meat. I'm glad she doesn't play a druid anymore because she sucked at it.

Well.. what would you do if your wife wanted to play WoW? I can assure you.. my wife would take your spot in a raid every day.

THANKFULLY MY WIFE THINKS I'M A FUCKING NERD KID FOR PLAYING THESE GAMES AND HAS ZERO INTEREST IN PLAYING!!!!111oneone.

Funny part is.. we used to fight when we first got married because I would play GS at nights in the bedroom and she would watch stupid television shows in the front room. We quickly realized we had different forms of entertaining.. and how we both needed to compromise. We took the dining room and made it a den with computer and TV. Now I can keep up on important shows like "All My Children", "Super Nanny" and "The 2 Ton Guy Who We Have To Cut Up So He Can Live.. Look At This Piece Of Fat We Just Cut Off Him!" while playing WoW.

[Me]

lol thats great!

LF

[Some Rogue]

MORE LIKE DOWNMAUL AMIRITE??

[Some Rogue]

So are other servers having problems with Northrend crashing every 5 minutes or is it just Dunemaul?

[Kyra231]

So are other servers having problems with Northrend crashing every 5 minutes or is it just Dunemaul?

Ravenholdt is fuxored like that too. The spell lag was definitely not fixed by the patch like Blizz hoped either.

[Some Rogue]

Apparently it's Wintergrasp that's causing the problem...

They need to just delete that zone from the game. It always causes lag everytime the battle is up and now it's dc'ing the WHOLE FUCKING CONTINENT.

/facepalm

[Methais]

What happened to the guild? I logged on just now and I have no guild, and /who hounds of rexxar shows 0 results.

[Parkbandit]

What happened to the guild? I logged on just now and I have no guild, and /who hounds of rexxar shows 0 results.

Did you quit the guild? The only one that can disband the guild is my character Bayne.. and I didn't do it.

Just checked.. shows you leaving the guild 2 days ago. Playing drunk is no way to go through life man...

Send Rennick a tell when you are in game and I'll get you into Grass is Greener (if an officer is on)

[Methais]

Did you quit the guild? The only one that can disband the guild is my character Bayne.. and I didn't do it.

Just checked.. shows you leaving the guild 2 days ago. Playing drunk is no way to go through life man...

Send Rennick a tell when you are in game and I'll get you into Grass is Greener (if an officer is on)

I wasn't even on 2 days ago. Wonder if someone kicked me.

[Kyra231]

I wasn't even on 2 days ago. Wonder if someone kicked me.

Well if they did it would say 'xxx has been removed from the guild by xxx'

If it says 'xxx has left the guild' in the log then someone did it for you...anyone have your acct info? Otherwise expect to log into your toon being named asdlfjasdlk. :(

[Parkbandit]

I wasn't even on 2 days ago. Wonder if someone kicked me.

It will say that someone removed you from the guild.. it shows you quit.

Change your password asap... or stop getting so drunk on Friday nights that you do things you don't remember. :P

[Kyra231]

If you even think it's a keylogger hit up Blizzards guide on wtf to do asap & save yourself the trouble of 2-4 weeks waiting & hoping you get your shit back. http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=14318909866&sid=1

[Methais]

I haven't gone to any links, and I have NoScript on Firefox anyway. Plus none of my stuff has been touched, and I'm sure it'd be long gone by now if I had a keylogger.

Don't see any suspicious processes running either. Weird.

I'll change it anyway.

[Methais]

Got a new robe today.

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a162/DoyleHargraves/WoWScrnShot_011408_033006.jpg

[Some Rogue]

:rofl:

[Some Rogue]

Introducing Dunemaul's greatest new warrior...


http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a64/lrenzo2/suga.jpg

[Parkbandit]

Reported for obscene. Enjoy your renaming.

[Some Rogue]

I wish I had taken up Inscription on another character sooner...


I am selling some of the ones I am leveling on for 20g a piece.

[TheEschaton]

So, PB, what's with Monday raid times being 7-11 server now? I can't stay up til 2 am. Was anyone consulted in that change?

[Alfster]

Shit. 2 am isn't late!

[Parkbandit]

So, PB, what's with Monday raid times being 7-11 server now? I can't stay up til 2 am. Was anyone consulted in that change?

Nope. The officers decided upon it. It used to be 10-1:30 on Mondays and then 10-1 on Tuesdays (dumb day to raid imo) and Thursdays.. with Sunday being what.. 9-1?

I won't be able to make it either... I'm struggling with 1am.. and dying at 1:30am. No way can I do 2am.

[TheEschaton]

So they added a half hour to an already very late raid. I need an EST raiding guild. :(

I fricking get home at 6, and I don't raid til 10? wtf.

[Some Rogue]

I don't plan on going tonight either.

[TheEschaton]

I've actually started looking into other guilds on the server. The only one that consistently does end-game stuff with a reasonable raiding schedule (5-8 server) is Affliction, and I know nothing about them. But their fucking website has, like, death metal on it.

-TheE-

[Some Rogue]

Yeah, they just recently had a lot of drama. The guild leader transferred servers and might have taken a bunch with him. I don't know that they're still raiding. Look on the officials. I know I saw a couple threads about them there.

[Methais]

Doesn't HoR have enough people to just make their own raids by now? Or did before everyone rolled out to Grass is Greener?

[Keller]

I've actually started looking into other guilds on the server. The only one that consistently does end-game stuff with a reasonable raiding schedule (5-8 server) is Affliction, and I know nothing about them. But their fucking website has, like, death metal on it.

-TheE-

What about Team Punishment?

I know the gleader and most of the officers pretty well. I think they start around 4 server (they all live in the south though, so you've got to deal with that).

[Parkbandit]

Doesn't HoR have enough people to just make their own raids by now? Or did before everyone rolled out to Grass is Greener?


No, once we purged the guild of the new retards, we had enough to only do 10 man stuff with a few in reserve.

Sure we had about 50 people.. but they aren't all active and they aren't all on at the same time.

[Some Rogue]

So, PB, what's with Monday raid times being 7-11 server now? I can't stay up til 2 am. Was anyone consulted in that change?

So how was the raid you sellout!?

:nono:

[Parkbandit]

Looks like the raid went to about 2:45am last night my time. Good news is that we now have a pally tank.. so I can finally raid on Falgrin again.

[Some Rogue]

Ugh. Way too fucking late.

AND I THOUGHT YOU LOVED PLAYING RENNICK???

[Parkbandit]

Ugh. Way too fucking late.

AND I THOUGHT YOU LOVED PLAYING RENNICK???

I do.. but I don't "need" a single thing out of any content right now. There are no warrior tanking trinkets that are better than the two blue ones I currently have (most look like druid tanking trinkets.. which is BS). There are a couple of very minor upgrades available.. but nothing that would make a big difference for tanking. I have no interest in playing a dps warrior (melee dps is a fucking joke.. 360 cleaves, aoe, etc..)

Where as Falgrin could use an upgrade in almost every spot he has... and he already has about 8 epics.

[Some Rogue]

Oh I see how it is, once you get the loot you want, you're out! You sicken me.

Btw, there's no such thing as a 360 degree cleave anymore. The worst is Sapphiron's 180 degree one. Of course the AoE is still there and whirlwinds on a few mobs but you're in plate and have enough health to survive a few physical hits. Noob.

[Alfster]

I should be off of overnights in 2 weeks. Can't. Fucking. Wait.

[TheEschaton]

We got to Sapphiron around 1:50 am. One shot Sapphiron, and were at KT by 2. Unfortunately, we had some new people who had never done KT on heroic (or at all), plus Sac has pretty strict location assignments, etc, that he divvies up, so we didn't get him down til 2:30ish or so, on the second attempt.

We've definitely got this shit on farm now. We only really started at 11 since we were short and looking for people to fill in the raid (IE, all the trials), finished 3 wings and Sapp/KT in essentially 3 1/2 hours. Add the spider wing in another half hour, and we could really do the whole thing in a night if we wanted to.

And the raid was decent. I'm getting pissed that trials can greed things though - since they're almost always more undergeared than me, they always win greed rolls. I don't mind the greed loot council system in theory, but it only works as long as the raid group is stable, and people who are lowest, eventually are higher, and lose gear rolls. Otherwise, always cycling in new mages, locks, and other spriests means they get geared out of 25 mans because they're wearing blues or PVP gear. I'm pretty sure Kalksmoker puts on PVP gear for raids just so he can loot epics on greed rolls. Meanwhile, I, who took the effort to run heroics for purples and get rep item purples, and craft my own purples, win nothing unless I use dkp.

Which I did for my 7.5 helm, so I win.

But then I lose, cause I bought my offset helm with it, to get the two set bonus on my offset on the random chance I might heal one day, since I already had my 4 set bonus on my main spec set.

-TheE-

[TheEschaton]

The good news is, though, is the pally tank, who seemed decent, and the new mage who does more dps than any of our other mages (including Kalksmoker and Thanatoz), and a new boomkin.

And Scherezade joined the guild last night, which means we now have an official discipline priest.

[Nieninque]

You really need to read up on the definition of "good news".

[Parkbandit]

Monkeysnarf making fun of the name Kalksmoker will never get old. Holy shit, the first night I was crying I was laughing so hard.

[Some Rogue]

Looks like we picked up a DK in addition to the druid, mage, and pally.

Geez, I miss one raid and they're picking up all kinds of DPS. Didn't realize we were short DPS.


BTW, I need someone with alliance characters to pick up some cooking recipes for me. (I am not naming any names, just throwing that out there. :P)

[TheEschaton]

Our DPS was off the fucking charts last night, btw. It's amazing how much a boomkin adds in terms of raid buffs. We downed Grob a minute ahead of our old record, we downed Thaddius with almost two minutes left on the enrage timer, we downed Patchwerk very comfortably ahead of the timer.

And yeah, Slityourguts, I forgot about him.

BTW, Nekk, you didn't miss any good drops. But Assimilate wasn't there last night, and missed Armageddon, and Glassjoe missed out on Turning Tide.

[TheEschaton]

BTW, every time I want to leave this guild because of the times, we have a completely pro raid which makes me hesitant.

[Nieninque]

Looks like we picked up a DK in addition to the druid, mage, and pally.

Geez, I miss one raid and they're picking up all kinds of DPS. Didn't realize we were short DPS.


BTW, I need someone with alliance characters to pick up some cooking recipes for me. (I am not naming any names, just throwing that out there. :P)

Tell me what you want and I will get them for you.

[Some Rogue]

There's not a ton I need anyway. Mostly minor upgrades or the dagger that I knew didn't drop already. I need a ranged weapon but it will be awhile before I get that with the hunters grabbing them up. Another trinket will help but the best one in the game comes from Sartharion so I wasn't too mad about missing the raid.

[TheEschaton]

Dying Curse keeps dropping and I keep on not getting it. I'd hate to use DKP on it, but now that my DKP has been zeroed, I might spend like 20 points the next time it drops.

-TheE-

[Some Rogue]

Tell me what you want and I will get them for you.

I'll check when I get home tonight. :heart:

Though I know the two worst to get are low level quest rewards so I might have to put out some gold for those. :(

[Nieninque]

There is a vendor in SW that sells all the low level cooking recipes

[CrystalTears]

Yeah, like practically all of them.

[Some Rogue]

:O

Even Kaldorei Spider Kabob or Roasted Moongraze Tenderloin?

Those two still show as quest rewards only on Wowhead.

The first as a level 7 quest in the NE starter zone, the second as a level 6 in the Draenei starter zone.

[CrystalTears]

I remember getting the draenei one, and I'm not sure that's one of the ones the vendor has unless it was added in the last year.

[DeV]

My guild finally cleared 25 man Naxx last night plus I cleared it on 10 man mode with a pug which was pretty cool. One of my primary complaints is with all the fuss about frost resistance gear for Saph. I was tempted to, but ultimately I'm glad I didn't put out any real gold for frost resistance gear... what a waste. I did both instances with 170 frost resist using only the engineering head piece I crafted, plus the Pally buff and managed to survive to the end. A big wtf to my fellow guildies for pressing for fr gear. All in all, it's nice to progress as a guild and move up a rank or two on wowjitsu.

Farm status, ftw. The test will be this week.

[Keller]

My guild finally cleared 25 man Naxx last night plus I cleared it on 10 man mode with a pug which was pretty cool. One of my primary complaints is with all the fuss about frost resistance gear for Saph. I was tempted to, but ultimately I'm glad I didn't put out any real gold for frost resistance gear... what a waste. I did both instances with 170 frost resist using only the engineering head piece I crafted, plus the Pally buff and managed to survive to the end. A big wtf to my fellow guildies for pressing for fr gear. All in all, it's nice to progress as a guild and move up a rank or two on wowjitsu.

Farm status, ftw. The test will be this week.

In other words, "I went into the encounters with weak gear and caused my healers to heal me. It's only by the grace of the other 24 people with high FR gear that didn't need to be healed as much that the healers could concentrate on me."

:)

[Some Rogue]

Nope, first time we ever killed him we didn't wear frost resist either. It's not needed if people pay attention. It's a little harder now with the Wild Growth and Circle of Healing nerf but it can still be done.

[DeV]

In other words, "I went into the encounters with weak gear and caused my healers to heal me. It's only by the grace of the other 24 people with high FR gear that didn't need to be healed as much that the healers could concentrate on me."

:)That was the first thing I checked immediately following the fight. Needless to say, I was fairly low ranked on the healing received meter. In other words, I do my research and don't like to waste my precious gold. In fact, I wanted to explain earlier on to my team that frost resist wasn't the be all, end all to mastering this encounter, but they were dead set on having us acquire as much gear as we could. Why? It's a gold sink.

Ultimately, as long as people pay attention, follow instructions, and avoid the blizzard you're on the right track. Having a certain amount of fr gear will help, but if it's gimping your dps considerably it's not as necessary as some would make it seem.

Plus, I figured it was doable with a limited amount of fr gear as there is an achievement for it among other things.

[Tea & Strumpets]

That was the first thing I checked immediately following the fight. Needless to say, I was fairly low ranked on the healing received meter.

Don't even worry about it. If the healers do their fucking jobs you'll be fine.

I'm probably biased because I mostly raided when Dimar was along, and he was a healasaurus (extinct healing dinosaur).

Anticor doesn't even get an honorable mention. He was a good healer the few times I did those 5-man dungeons or raids with him, but the guy is a fucking schizophrenic that changes from a healer to a bear to a cat and then to a giant owl. If it's not one of those personalities, he's playing some blood elf with some kind of blood joke name like Apositive.

I guess if I had to sum up this post, it would be to say not to associate yourself with Anticor.

[Keller]

I guess if I had to sum up this post, it would be to say not to associate yourself with Anticor.

Sig worthy.

[TheEschaton]

LOL, Nekk, our problems might simply be solved by not meeting Sac's DPS standards and getting the boot. :P I wasn't aware I signed up for the next Assent. Why can't we be a pro guild that does things at a medium pace?

-TheE-

[Kyra231]

In other words, "I went into the encounters with weak gear and caused my healers to heal me. It's only by the grace of the other 24 people with high FR gear that didn't need to be healed as much that the healers could concentrate on me."

:)


:rofl:

As long as people can follow simple directions they don't need any 'extra' healing on that fight because of no fr gear.

As a healer I'd much rather my dps have the extra dmg from their regular gear than fr gear(or sink the gold into acquiring it). Then again they're not window lickers so they don't get hit by frost breath or chill.

[Some Rogue]

LOL, Nekk, our problems might simply be solved by not meeting Sac's DPS standards and getting the boot. :P I wasn't aware I signed up for the next Assent. Why can't we be a pro guild that does things at a medium pace?

-TheE-

Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if I was one of them and not sure I'd care at this point. I consistently come in ahead of Lielane but still, any fight I have to change between a lot of targets or move around a lot, I suffer on.

I don't know that he understands much about the mechanics of rogues other than what little he reads on the boards or in blue posts. Like last night he took away the biggest factor for my damage, my poisons, and then complains DPS isn't high enough...

I do like raiding with these guys most of the times, but the raid times just suck and I am not a hardcore raider looking to be the next Assent.

[Alfster]

Wait, why did he take away the poisons?

[Some Rogue]

He made me and the other rogue use double anesthetic poison for the enraged fire elementals on Sarth + 3. That hurts me way more than the combat rogue since I am mutilate.

[g++]

Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if I was one of them and not sure I'd care at this point. I consistently come in ahead of Lielane but still, any fight I have to change between a lot of targets or move around a lot, I suffer on.

I don't know that he understands much about the mechanics of rogues other than what little he reads on the boards or in blue posts. Like last night he took away the biggest factor for my damage, my poisons, and then complains DPS isn't high enough...

I do like raiding with these guys most of the times, but the raid times just suck and I am not a hardcore raider looking to be the next Assent.

Yah im getting kind of sick of being rated entirely based on recount when the people interpretting it have no idea what their talking about. Like i usually reset recount for bosses to see where I come in and Im usually top 2 on a boss but leaders alot of times will be like why is the mage ranked low on recount...its like cause im not really stressing over trash mobs slamming my procs and using trinkets reset your god damn counters. Do you want to wipe on the boss or really own the trash I just dont understand why people get pissed even when encounters are going well. Luckily at least my guild seems to understand that but PUG leaders just stare at recount as far as I can tell.

[TheEschaton]

And I'm sorry, on fights where I have to run around, I can't do much of anything in terms of consistent DPS. When I'm running, I can cast: 1) DP, which last 24 seconds, has a 24 sec CD, and should be up always anyways, 2) SW: Pain, which should be cast once at the beginning of the fight and never again if I keep on refreshing it with flays, and 3) SW: Death, which has a 10+ second CD, and with the Twilight AUra up, tends to drop me below 50% health and end up killing me in the long run, even tho I'm specced Imp. Vamp. Embrace. I don't get to do white damage while running.

So, if you expect me not to be hit by lava waves or void zones, don't bitch if my dps is "only" 3k.

-TheE-

[Deadelf]

He made me and the other rogue use double anesthetic poison for the enraged fire elementals on Sarth + 3. That hurts me way more than the combat rogue since I am mutilate.

Wow, yeah talk about tying your hands behind your back as a Mutilate rogue. I'd say clueless fits him.

[Parkbandit]

Problem is.. an enraged fire elemental will one shot anyone in the raid on Sarth +3.. so what do you do with him?

[Some Rogue]

Problem is.. an enraged fire elemental will one shot anyone in the raid on Sarth +3.. so what do you do with him?


Have one of the THREE HUNTARDS tranqshot it?

[Parkbandit]

Have one of the THREE HUNTARDS tranqshot it?

Does that actually work? Tranqshot works so very few times... I usually don't even have it on my bar

[Some Rogue]

..............

[Trouble]

Does that actually work? Tranqshot works so very few times... I usually don't even have it on my bar

It shares the dispel mechanic now, I'm surprised you don't use it for pvp.

It does work for the big dog in Naxx, not sure which boss that is.

[Some Rogue]

He's living up to the Huntard title.

[Parkbandit]

It shares the dispel mechanic now, I'm surprised you don't use it for pvp.

I know it shares the dispel mechanic.. we were talking about enrage.. where it works so few times in pve.

I have zero level 80 pvp gear on Falgrin.. so haven't done any pvp yet with him. I just got him to level 80 about 2 weeks ago and have been gearing him up to raid with.

[Some Rogue]

Anywhere the poison that dispels enrage works, tranq shot will work. (Gluth, Fire elementals)

[Ignot]

I made a character named Ignot on Dunemaul so if anyone starts a young character let me know.

[DeV]

So, apparently, my guild thought it was cool to award 20 people 150 dkp a piece just for showing up for one raid last week because the group was short 5 people, including myself. Add to it that at least 4 of the people rewarded have a lower raid attendance than myself and another core raider who was delayed at work, plus 2 didn't bother to show up for the following two nights of raiding, and another hadn't raided with us since February 17th nor has he since. The officer who decided to award the points has a lower raid percentage than most of us because he misses every Thursday's raid due to work. I've been in the guild since it started and we've never awarded anywhere near that much dkp for anything. If it happens again, I think I'm going to call it quits.

/vent

[Alfster]

Which guild are you rolling with?

The one cowshield and group went to?

[DeV]

That'd be the one. We absorbed Virteus, Zemmzah, and Cowshield I believe.

He's the only core raider out of the 3, but a good guy from what I've seen.

[Some Rogue]

Wasn't he looking for a guild a few weeks back?


Also, we were doing the Immortal achievement...get up to Sapphiron and our GM disconnects right before a frost breath. I lol'd.

[Kyra231]

So, apparently, my guild thought it was cool to award 20 people 150 dkp a piece just for showing up for one raid last week because the group was short 5 people, including myself. Add to it that at least 4 of the people rewarded have a lower raid attendance than myself and another core raider who was delayed at work, plus 2 didn't bother to show up for the following two nights of raiding, and another hadn't raided with us since February 17th nor has he since. The officer who decided to award the points has a lower raid percentage than most of us because he misses every Thursday's raid due to work. I've been in the guild since it started and we've never awarded anywhere near that much dkp for anything. If it happens again, I think I'm going to call it quits.

/vent

Blech that sucks. :( I hate dkp & I'm glad our guild doesn't use it.

[Ignot]

I dont even know what dkp is.

[Alfster]

It's a system for giving out loot to people who attend raids rather than giving the loot to tards like me that have to work all the fucking time and only make one raid a month.

*edit - Yet can still out DPS TheE

[Parkbandit]

Blech that sucks. :( I hate dkp & I'm glad our guild doesn't use it.

There aren't many guilds that use dkp for Wailing Caverns.

[Some Rogue]

*edit - Yet can still out DPS TheE

LOL shadow

[g++]

It's a system for giving out loot to people who attend raids rather than giving the loot to tards like me that have to work all the fucking time and only make one raid a month.

*edit - Yet can still out DPS TheE

In my guild you only get dpk when bosses go down. There have actually been nights when all the tards in our guild converged on naxx and managed to spend hours earning absolutely nothing. Im in the 100% attendance raid so we clear in like 4-5 hours. I like my guilds dkp and rules..dkp is per boss no matter what and our raid groups are configured so that if your attendance is stellar your grouped with other people who are there every night and if your a jackass you get grouped with other jackasses and end up pugging half your group.

[Alfster]

I'm guessing 10 mans?

[DeV]

I like my guilds dkp and rules..dkp is per boss no matter what and our raid groups are configured so that if your attendance is stellar your grouped with other people who are there every night and if your a jackass you get grouped with other jackasses and end up pugging half your group.Clear, cut, easily-defined rules. I like them too. I like the rules to be set, abided by, and most of all to remain consistent for the most part. I don't think that's asking a lot.

During a separate raid, the same officer was bidding dkp on an item against a new recruit. Everyone can go up to -100 dkp from the beginning so newbs aren't entirely left out, but the officer began making mention to the fact that he is a main raider and passes on a lot of loot (your loss, buddy) and should get priority bidding on the item. Since that night we are now reinstating raider ranks, which will give people with higher attendance loot priority. However, it gives him and his 63.4% raid attendance a free pass since he's an officer.

This is what happens when a guild goes from having a loot council, to a confusing dkp system, to need-greed rolls, to zero-sum dkp with bidding and raider ranks. I really hope the system works out this time around, but that requires the guild to break a pattern of alienating raiders to the point where eventually we're left with half a guild, half of them are dedicated raiders, and we're having to start from scratch with recruiting and rebuilding. We'll see what happens.

[g++]

I'm guessing 10 mans?


Both, we have 4 10 man groups and the weekly 25 is derived from that. If your group A 10 man we clear in like 3 hours...thats my group...if your group C its a 5 hour clear usually and the 25 man is almost always group a + group b and some people who have started to get the not standing in purple shit eliteness it takes to do naxx down from the other groups.

There is no dkp for 10 mans though....it makes it go to slow and generally were just gearing 1 or 2 people up anyway. The loot system is only for the weekly 25 man.

[Kyra231]

There aren't many guilds that use dkp for Wailing Caverns.

Aww smells like butthurt. Sorry we've cleared everything but Sarth 25 with 3 drakes. Nice try though.

When you raid with people you know & trust you don't have to rely on a dkp system.

[Some Rogue]

Well since we actually have cleared Sarth +3 a few times...not exactly sure we'd be butt hurt over anything heh. PB is just old and cranky because he was up late raiding last night.

[Kyra231]

Well since we actually have cleared Sarth +3 a few times...not exactly sure we'd be butt hurt over anything heh. PB is just old and cranky because he was up late raiding last night.

Nah he's just making snipes because of me telling him to take his Aricept. It's okay I know how upsetting it is to the elderly when their memory starts to slip & they realize it :hug2:

[CrystalTears]

Nah he's just making snipes because of me telling him to take his Aricept. It's okay I know how upsetting it is to the elderly when their memory starts to slip & they realize it :hug2:
Except that you were jumping on the "PB is old" bandwagon instead of understanding what he was referring to.

[Some Rogue]

Awesome. My guild cuts raiding to two days a week, which is fine since we can clear it all that fast, but this week happens to be on a day when I have to be up at 4:30 in the morning the next day so I can't make the raids and they're looking to recruit rogues all of a sudden. Fucking cocksmokers.

[Parkbandit]

Dude, just talk to Sac. I'm going to be gone for about 2 weeks... probably right around the same time the patch comes out.

You've been in leadership before.. you know how frustrating it can be to get raids together and people who have had perfect attendance suddenly aren't there... and they don't tell you what's going on. Send him a tell about what's going on and he'll understand.

I don't think the rogue recruiting is in response to you btw.

[TheEschaton]

Sac is really frustrated right now. Our one prot pally was banned three days ago for his name (Deepinyou), and only told him about 3 minutes before the raid, in texts. Of our three rogues, exactly 0 have signed up in the past week for a raid. You know why Q didn't come? He wanted to play his shaman through some 10 mans to get geared up rather than do Immortal.

Hopefully Ampd being another level headed person as officer should help. I have to think Hidon keeps an even-keel on that shipwreck all by himself right now.

-TheE-

[g++]

Sac is really frustrated right now. Our one prot pally was banned three days ago for his name (Deepinyou), and only told him about 3 minutes before the raid, in texts. Of our three rogues, exactly 0 have signed up in the past week for a raid. You know why Q didn't come? He wanted to play his shaman through some 10 mans to get geared up rather than do Immortal.

Hopefully Ampd being another level headed person as officer should help. I have to think Hidon keeps an even-keel on that shipwreck all by himself right now.

-TheE-

We have the opposite problem. All our officers are tanks and they all show up to progression raids, so we end up doing things like attempting 6 minute maly with 4 tanks....its like I know you guys are officers but this is retarded. Side note we got 2 drakes over the weekend going for this three this week in 10 man.

[oldanforgotten]

We have the opposite problem. All our officers are tanks and they all show up to progression raids, so we end up doing things like attempting 6 minute maly with 4 tanks....its like I know you guys are officers but this is retarded. Side note we got 2 drakes over the weekend going for this three this week in 10 man.

have 2 of the tanks respec to DPS, and one to some hyrbrid DPS/trash tanking build. Problem solved.

[oldanforgotten]

Sac is really frustrated right now. Our one prot pally was banned three days ago for his name (Deepinyou), and only told him about 3 minutes before the raid, in texts. Of our three rogues, exactly 0 have signed up in the past week for a raid. You know why Q didn't come? He wanted to play his shaman through some 10 mans to get geared up rather than do Immortal.

Hopefully Ampd being another level headed person as officer should help. I have to think Hidon keeps an even-keel on that shipwreck all by himself right now.

-TheE-


Good luck with Immortal. Even though none of the bosses individually are that bad, that was by far the most painful one to get. We almost had it by fluke back in december, but then on KT, one of the pallies got MC'd and put a blessing of sacrifice up on KT. That was fuckin awesome, lemme tell ya.

[Keller]

have 2 of the tanks respec to DPS, and one to some hyrbrid DPS/trash tanking build. Problem solved.

And if they refuse, you can always break their laptop and/or kill their cat.

Problem solved.

[g++]

have 2 of the tanks respec to DPS, and one to some hyrbrid DPS/trash tanking build. Problem solved.

Its their off spec so right off the bat they are not going to be awsome. On top of that they are all melee and its nearly impossible to get passed phase two on the 6 minute timer without good warlocks/mages/hunters downing the scions immediately. Hard to do on a 10 man loaded down with half assed melee.

[g++]

And if they refuse, you can always break their laptop and/or kill their cat.

Problem solved.

ROFL

[Parkbandit]

Good luck with Immortal. Even though none of the bosses individually are that bad, that was by far the most painful one to get. We almost had it by fluke back in december, but then on KT, one of the pallies got MC'd and put a blessing of sacrifice up on KT. That was fuckin awesome, lemme tell ya.


We got to Sapp still intact.. and our GM disconnected. This week our tank didn't get the neg/pos boss dude quick enough and one of our dps warriors hit him a couple times.. and died. God.. I hate that achievement.

[Parkbandit]

Its their off spec so right off the bat they are not going to be awsome. On top of that they are all melee and its nearly impossible to get passed phase two on the 6 minute timer without good warlocks/mages/hunters downing the scions immediately. Hard to do on a 10 man loaded down with half assed melee.

Yea.. if you've been raiding for quite some time, you MIGHT have a halfway decent offset dps set.. but given the numbers of plate wearers nowadays, it's not likely they all do.

I'm surprised that 2 of them don't sit out and get some real dps in there to get the achievement.. then next week the other two tanks could go.

[oldanforgotten]

Its their off spec so right off the bat they are not going to be awsome. On top of that they are all melee and its nearly impossible to get passed phase two on the 6 minute timer without good warlocks/mages/hunters downing the scions immediately. Hard to do on a 10 man loaded down with half assed melee.

Well, I guess it depends on the class. We did it with 2 DK tanks respec to DPS, and DKs can add a ton of raid damage for the fight, since they can chain grip the second spark onto the first and give the raid a good 4-5 seconds more of double spark uptime.

As for the ranged thing, the only thing that helps is with casters with instant casts during the vortex, and to bring maly down a little more while he flies off. In general Phase 2 melee DPS can do just as much as the ranged group, especially since they have 4 scions on the ground to do some extra AE work to (whirlwinds, diseases, consecrates, fan of knives, etc..).

If I remember correctly, we did 6m maly with 2 DK's, a fury war, 2 rogues, a ret pally, an enhance shaman, and feral druid trash tank spec, so thats still a good 8 melee. Granted, they do need to be geared and able to keep up the damage, but too much melee alone shouldnt stop you from getting that acheivement.

[oldanforgotten]

Yea.. if you've been raiding for quite some time, you MIGHT have a halfway decent offset dps set.. but given the numbers of plate wearers nowadays, it's not likely they all do.

I'm surprised that 2 of them don't sit out and get some real dps in there to get the achievement.. then next week the other two tanks could go.

This ^

if they dont have decent DPS gear and know how to play as a DPS spec, that's the easiest path. I'm sure its technically possible with 4 tanks, but man, that's gonna suck and put a lot of added burden on the raid.

I would try suggesting maybe that two of them change to be hybrids. You can generally run almost everything with 2-3 tanks, and I honestly can';t think of a single encounter where a 4th tank would actually help the raid, save KT and only under the circumstances of attempting to do immortal.

[oldanforgotten]

We got to Sapp still intact.. and our GM disconnected. This week our tank didn't get the neg/pos boss dude quick enough and one of our dps warriors hit him a couple times.. and died. God.. I hate that achievement.

We generally have people who may have framerate issues or DC issues off on the side and spread out for thaddius. But if you want an easier way to pick up shocking, try this approach, it may help, especially since Thaddius's hit box is so big. Have a shaman drop one totem 8 yards to one side, and 8 yards on the other. Gives you 5-6 yards of clearance to spare, and as soon as a charge changes, run on top of the totem before turning around and DPSing again. Thaddius won't move, and as long as people pay attention, you wont have to worry about some melee standing too close and chaining to the tank.

[g++]

Yea.. if you've been raiding for quite some time, you MIGHT have a halfway decent offset dps set.. but given the numbers of plate wearers nowadays, it's not likely they all do.

I'm surprised that 2 of them don't sit out and get some real dps in there to get the achievement.. then next week the other two tanks could go.

Well this is where it gets really sticky, our officers formed this guild a month ago from the remnants of another. So they have 2 weeks to get their drakes and they are all missing 6 minute malygos. So their afraid they will miss it and the patch will be released...you see where im going.

[oldanforgotten]

Well this is where it gets really sticky, our officers formed this guild a month ago from the remnants of another. So they have 2 weeks to get their drakes and they are all missing 6 minute malygos. So their afraid they will miss it and the patch will be released...you see where im going.

Maybe they should just /roll to see who goes in this week, and who goes in next week or something. All 4 tanks coming in pretty much ensures none of them can get it.

[Some Rogue]

I don't think the rogue recruiting is in response to you btw.
Yeah, I am sure it was just a big coincendence...


Sac is really frustrated right now..... Of our three rogues, exactly 0 have signed up in the past week for a raid. You know why Q didn't come? He wanted to play his shaman through some 10 mans to get geared up rather than do Immortal.



First and foremost, he's a drama queen. All this frustration and pressure is either in his mind or what he brings on himself. I think our time right now would be better spent relaxing or just taking a break from raiding. Once this patch hits, it's gonna be balls to the wall again.

As for not signing up, you act like it was multiple raids. We've had one raid all week. Lielane was relegated to permanent backup, I had to be up early and I don't know what is up with Q. I had a feeling he was going to want to switch mains sooner or later though.

All this BS is over a drake and achievements that won't mean a thing in two weeks or so when the patch hits.

[Keller]

First and foremost, he's a drama queen.

Monkeysnarf has an alt named Sac?

[Some Rogue]

Sackonchin maybe.

[TheEschaton]

Sac is a drama queen, yes. And not very open to modifications of his strats.

By the way, that 6 minute Maly attempt last night was bad. We can't get Maly down before the 2nd vortex, we get him to about 58% at best, and I think it's because we had 3 tanks and 5 healers.

[Methais]

All this BS is over a drake and achievements that won't mean a thing in two weeks or so when the patch hits.

Achievements don't mean a thing in two weeks, now, two weeks ago, or ever.

I never really understood the obsession with achievements. Even on XBox, but at least you get points added to your gamerscore for achievements there.

Maybe someone can enlighten me on why achievements are such serious business?

[CrystalTears]

Achievements don't mean a thing in two weeks, now, two weeks ago, or ever.
But their fairy GM has a hard on for achievements, and practically makes them a priority.
Maybe someone can enlighten me on why achievements are such serious business?I wish I knew. I'm still trying to understand what the big deal is. Sure it's neat to get them, and some titles are fun to have, but other than that, I don't see the big deal.

[Some Rogue]

Achievements don't mean a thing in two weeks, now, two weeks ago, or ever.

I never really understood the obsession with achievements. Even on XBox, but at least you get points added to your gamerscore for achievements there.

Maybe someone can enlighten me on why achievements are such serious business?


Directly from our forums...


We are NOT a casual guild, despite our current low raid count. We do not approve of you taking your 25 man raiding casually. We expect a high level of participation from our members, and skipping days you think we are going to wipe repeatedly will not be tolerated. This includes achievements.

Our guild has a schedule that is posted every week. If you agree to raid on a given night, you agree to raid whatever content the raid leaders throw your way, and in whatever order we feel is best. This means that in some cases we may push achievements. In these cases, we do not want to hear complaining, or be told that we should just "do it the easy way". The easy way gets us nothing. We do not gain renown on Dunemaul, we do not get any flashy titles, nor do we get any gear that isn't on farm mode for any other guilds that step foot into Ulduar. We gain everything from achievements.
Bolded for the biggest lulz.

[Methais]

Bahaha that whole quote is massive fail.

THIS IS SERIOUS GUYS!!! DO YOU GUYS WANT TO BE RENOWNED ON AN INTERNET GAME OR NOT?!?!?!?!?!?!

[Keller]

Bahaha that whole quote is massive fail.

THIS IS SERIOUS GUYS!!! DO YOU GUYS WANT TO BE RENOWNED ON AN INTERNET GAME OR NOT?!?!?!?!?!?!

On one server. In a guild no one notices.

[Some Rogue]

On one server. In a guild no one notices.

F U WE'RE TOP 10!@#!@!@$#

[Keller]

F U WE'RE TOP 10!@#!@!@$#

No one knows about Assent outside of Dunemaul.

There might be a total of 20 people in the entire world who know what achievements Sac has.

[Methais]

No one knows about Assent outside of Dunemaul.

There might be a total of 20 people in the entire world who know what achievements Sac has.

And at least 19 of those people are probably in his guild and have the same achievements.

[CrystalTears]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v412/Jemah/lolcats/achievementsrsrs.jpg

[SHAFT]

Could I switch from PvE to PvP?

[Methais]

Yep.

[oldanforgotten]

Achievements don't mean a thing in two weeks, now, two weeks ago, or ever.

I never really understood the obsession with achievements. Even on XBox, but at least you get points added to your gamerscore for achievements there.

Maybe someone can enlighten me on why achievements are such serious business?


Acheivements (some of them raiding wise at least) provide more of a challenge and some people enjoy going for the challenge. There are also some additional in game rewards (titles, mounts, extra loot for some hard modes) for accomplishing them.

[oldanforgotten]

Sac is a drama queen, yes. And not very open to modifications of his strats.

By the way, that 6 minute Maly attempt last night was bad. We can't get Maly down before the 2nd vortex, we get him to about 58% at best, and I think it's because we had 3 tanks and 5 healers.

You guys usin 2 DK's to assist with chain gripping the second spark on top of the first to give extra time to the raid with 2 sparks? ALso, are you blowing him up a little in the air before he lands on the pull?

Good benchmarks are around 85% before the first spark hits, 50% when the second spark hits, and 2 minutes and 15 seconds left on the timer when P2 ends.

[Nieninque]

You guys usin 2 DK's to assist with chain gripping the second spark on top of the first to give extra time to the raid with 2 sparks? ALso, are you blowing him up a little in the air before he lands on the pull?

Good benchmarks are around 85% before the first spark hits, 50% when the second spark hits, and 2 minutes and 15 seconds left on the timer when P2 ends.

Don't you have laptops to be a-stepping on and kittens to be a-murdering?

[Keller]

Don't you have laptops to be a-stepping on and kittens to be a-murdering?

At the very least, UPS trucks to be a-loading?

[SHAFT]

Acheivements (some of them raiding wise at least) provide more of a challenge and some people enjoy going for the challenge. There are also some additional in game rewards (titles, mounts, extra loot for some hard modes) for accomplishing them.

It equated to penis size as well

[Keller]

It equated to penis size as well

And by penis size he means there is an inversely proportional relationship between achievement points and ability to sustain an erection.

[oldanforgotten]

It equated to penis size as well

Some people think it does, but to be honest, just reading the boards, especially the dungeon and raid boards, as well as trade chat, for every 1 person that sits around bragging about raid acheivements, there are a good 4-5 who feign not caring for them, but spend a great deal of their time and effort putting down anyone who is attempting them. Safe to say its a divisive topic with a few people caring too much on both sides. Side A has the people who think it gives them a bigger dick, side B has people "not caring" so much they go straight negative and talk about how they obviously have more of a real life/hotter girlfriend by not going for them.

[Nieninque]

And side C who stamp on A and B's laptops.

[Methais]

Some people think it does, but to be honest, just reading the boards, especially the dungeon and raid boards, as well as trade chat, for every 1 person that sits around bragging about raid acheivements, there are a good 4-5 who feign not caring for them, but spend a great deal of their time and effort putting down anyone who is attempting them. Safe to say its a divisive topic with a few people caring too much on both sides. Side A has the people who think it gives them a bigger dick, side B has people "not caring" so much they go straight negative and talk about how they obviously have more of a real life/hotter girlfriend by not going for them.

And Side D who really doesn't care about achievements, but still makes fun of the people from Side A because watching them freak out over useless achievements is funny, in a facepalm sort of way.

[g++]

And Side D who really doesn't care about achievements, but still makes fun of the people from Side A because watching them freak out over useless achievements is funny, in a facepalm sort of way.

I dont freak out over them but honestly pve wise there is no challenge in WoW without trying for them. Without them the game is like oh look kel'thuzad died again and he dropped more purple shit, well back to dalaran gents.

[CrystalTears]

I dont freak out over them but honestly pve wise there is no challenge in WoW without trying for them. Without them the game is like oh look kel'thuzad died again and he dropped more purple shit, well back to dalaran gents.
Sure it makes the game a bit more challenging and fun. But to say that they're so important that it's worth wiping a raid over and over again to gain them because achievements are the end-all, be-all of WoW is fucking ridiculous.

[g++]

Sure it makes the game a bit more challenging and fun. But to say that they're so important that it's worth wiping a raid over and over again to gain them because achievements are the end-all, be-all of WoW is fucking ridiculous.

Our guild wipes for achievements too and I really dont care. Granted I have never witnessed the nightmare scenario Rogue talks about where hes in a 25 man going for shocking and people keep crossing but like on 6 minute maly if we are attempting it and its an obvious fail we wipe on purpose. Its funny both our guilds are having the same problem with the same achievement at the same time. If you already did your naxx and OS runs for the week and someones like hey wanna spend 200g on repairs and go for this title...in my head im like well its that or fly around sholazar on an alt...lets go.

[Some Rogue]

I suppose I just have way more fun things to do than wipe constantly over a title that will mean nothing in a couple weeks or a drake that looks like it has Downs.

[Methais]

Our guild wipes for achievements too and I really dont care. Granted I have never witnessed the nightmare scenario Rogue talks about where hes in a 25 man going for shocking and people keep crossing but like on 6 minute maly if we are attempting it and its an obvious fail we wipe on purpose. Its funny both our guilds are having the same problem with the same achievement at the same time. If you already did your naxx and OS runs for the week and someones like hey wanna spend 200g on repairs and go for this title...in my head im like well its that or fly around sholazar on an alt...lets go.

Tell your guild leader if he wants a real achievement to roller skate down the interstate to and from work for a week sporting nothing but a backwards thong and a boom box on his shoulder playing old Michael Jackson songs from when he was black. I'm sure he'll get some sort of RL title from his coworkers, and will also gain at least some renown among the commuter traffic and at the office or McDonald's or wherever he (assuming he has a job) works.

That's an achievement he can keep with him long after Blizzard shuts down WoW's servers.

[CrystalTears]

Tell your guild leader if he wants a real achievement to roller skate down the interstate to and from work for a week sporting nothing but a backwards thong and a boom box on his shoulder playing old Michael Jackson songs from when he was black. I'm sure he'll get some sort of RL title from his coworkers, and will also gain at least some renown among the commuter traffic and at the office or McDonald's or wherever he (assuming he has a job) works.

That's an achievement he can keep with him long after Blizzard shuts down WoW's servers.
:rofl: I so want to rep you for this.

[oldanforgotten]

Our guild wipes for achievements too and I really dont care. Granted I have never witnessed the nightmare scenario Rogue talks about where hes in a 25 man going for shocking and people keep crossing but like on 6 minute maly if we are attempting it and its an obvious fail we wipe on purpose. Its funny both our guilds are having the same problem with the same achievement at the same time. If you already did your naxx and OS runs for the week and someones like hey wanna spend 200g on repairs and go for this title...in my head im like well its that or fly around sholazar on an alt...lets go.

^
This.

I enjoy a challenge, and some of the acheivements provide the benchmarks for a better challenge. If someone doesn't want acheivements and thinks they are a waste of time, they should probably think twice about being in a guild that focuses on them. And Vice Versa, if someone does want to go for acheivements, they should probably think twice about joining a guild that doesn't care about acheivements.

[Me]

Two to one your raid leaders want the title and the mounts but if you want them heh not going to happen.

LF

[Some Rogue]

I enjoy a challenge, and some of the acheivements provide the benchmarks for a better challenge. If someone doesn't want acheivements and thinks they are a waste of time, they should probably think twice about being in a guild that focuses on them.

Except they weren't a focus when we all joined...

Now that they're bored and want a free mount, it's all about "OMG we must be well known on a shitty server!"

[oldanforgotten]

Two to one your raid leaders want the title and the mounts but if you want them heh not going to happen.

LF

I know a lot of people that came from/are in that situation. It sucks. I can only say I'm happy that I am not in that situation. None of our officers or raid leaders were in the among the first 7 or 8 to get the 10 man mount, and the only reason the raid leader was among the first to get the 25 man one was because we only have one and he never sits for anything, including the reruns of the same shit to get the mounts for everyone else.

[oldanforgotten]

Except they weren't a focus when we all joined...

Now that they're bored and want a free mount, it's all about "OMG we must be well known on a shitty server!"

Heh, yea, lots of people only started focusin on it when they knew it was going away. I remember when that same thing really helped us with selling war bears and getting some gold ready for the xpac.

But whats the point of doing it for renown? unless you plan on using that good name for recruiting, it's just epeening.

IMO the "we're going for acheivements" thing only works if its because everyone wants to go after the challenge. If it's just to show off, inevitably it leads to common sense taking over and people leaving.

[AestheticDeath]

What exactly is going away? Just the titles? Or the ability to get a drake mount or what?

[Some Rogue]

The mount

[oldanforgotten]

What exactly is going away? Just the titles? Or the ability to get a drake mount or what?

Just the mounts from what I understand.

[Parkbandit]

Just the mounts from what I understand.

Is that like the bear mount that no one gives a shit about from ZA?

Yea.. big deal.

[Keller]

Is that like the bear mount that no one gives a shit about?

I'm sure Mrs. Parkbandit hasn't aged gracefully, but that's downright mean.

[Parkbandit]

I'm sure Mrs. Parkbandit hasn't aged gracefully, but that's downright mean.

Let's not travel down this path again... or didn't you learn from the last time?

[Keller]

Let's not travel down this path again... or didn't you learn from the last time?

Calm down.

It's a joke.

And I rarely learn the first time.

[oldanforgotten]

Is that like the bear mount that no one gives a shit about from ZA?

Yea.. big deal.

Honestly, I never understood why people lined up to pay 10k for the bear mount, but I never questioned it. It was 1100 gold in my pocket to pay for leveling tailoring and JC in wrath, and at 1 1/2 to 2 customers a week it was just too lucrative to give up.

The top horde guild on the server is selling just the nightfall/gonna go acheivement + the mount from 10 man at the moment for 20k, and supposedly has had a buyer every week since they started it 4-5 weeks ago.

[SHAFT]

Should I make the switch from PvE to Dunemaul? I'm temped. I feel like I've been playing on easy mode. I'm a lvl 30 undead mage.

[Methais]

Should I make the switch from PvE to Dunemaul? I'm temped. I feel like I've been playing on easy mode. I'm a lvl 30 undead mage.

PvP servers > PvE servers

[Ignot]

Should I make the switch from PvE to Dunemaul? I'm temped. I feel like I've been playing on easy mode. I'm a lvl 30 undead mage.

I started a few characters on there and I think PvP has been alot more fun. I don't have any high characters on there so I couldn't tell you what its like later on.

[Cephalopod]

I started a few characters on there and I think PvP has been alot more fun. I don't have any high characters on there so I couldn't tell you what its like later on.

My only experience with PvP was losing to Ignot, who was 4 levels below me. Yeah, I suck that hard.

[AestheticDeath]

Any tailors on Dunemaul wanna make me like 3-4 mysterious bags(32 slot enchanting bag) for real cheap?

If anyone can/will, lemme know how much per bag. (your mats)

I think I looked and was able to get the mats around 470g~ on the AH, I would prefer something cheaper if possible.

[g++]

Any tailors on Dunemaul wanna make me like 3-4 mysterious bags(32 slot enchanting bag) for real cheap?

If anyone can/will, lemme know how much per bag. (your mats)

I think I looked and was able to get the mats around 470g~ on the AH, I would prefer something cheaper if possible.

I just made ONE for my alt and it felt like I was giving away my first born child. It takes 16 days to gather the spell cloth for each bag. To make 3-4 of them would be the same as asking to buy someones grand master tailoring cooldown for 2 months. At that point you might as well just make a grand master tailor.

[Methais]

Any tailors on Dunemaul wanna make me like 3-4 mysterious bags(32 slot enchanting bag) for real cheap?

If anyone can/will, lemme know how much per bag. (your mats)

I think I looked and was able to get the mats around 470g~ on the AH, I would prefer something cheaper if possible.

1. Farm gold.

2. Buy mats off AH.

3. Pay someone to craft items.

4. Stop being cheap. Gold is easy to make.

[Keller]

Gold is easy to make.

WoW: A virtual reality where alchemists actually can make gold.

[g++]

4. Stop being cheap. Gold is easy to make.

Its way easy to spend too. Think I have spent 2k on scarlet rubies alone this week....getting sick of doing dailies and mining more than I work.

[Trouble]

Its way easy to spend too. Think I have spent 2k on scarlet rubies alone this week....getting sick of doing dailies and mining more than I work.

Wow, what are you doing with 2k of rubies in a week?

[g++]

Wow, what are you doing with 2k of rubies in a week?

Their 80g each on my server for starters, I decided to put a pvp set together for my mage so I spent all my excess valor and heroic tokens on pvp gear and socketed it and every slot that wasnt spell penetration was +19 sp. My alt is a ret/holy paladin who has just started doing heroics and getting his raid set together and every single gem slot on a ret paladin is supposed to be +16 stregth for max dps and every single red slot on his holy gear is +19 sp. It gets crazy.

[Parkbandit]

They are expensive on every server, due to the quality gems you get from them.

[g++]

They are expensive on every server, due to the quality gems you get from them.

Yah I understand the cost. The other day I mined 400 saronite and prospected it....1 scarlet ruby....I should have just sold the saronite and bought 5.

[StrayRogue]

Their 80g each on my server for starters, I decided to put a pvp set together for my mage so I spent all my excess valor and heroic tokens on pvp gear and socketed it and every slot that wasnt spell penetration was +19 sp. My alt is a ret/holy paladin who has just started doing heroics and getting his raid set together and every single gem slot on a ret paladin is supposed to be +16 stregth for max dps and every single red slot on his holy gear is +19 sp. It gets crazy.

Er, hit is more important for dps than Strength. At least until you've got plenty of raid gear.

[AestheticDeath]

1. Farm gold.
2. Buy mats off AH.
3. Pay someone to craft items.
4. Stop being cheap. Gold is easy to make.
1. I make gold any way I can.
2. I do, hence how I got my prices.
3. I do when I need to.
4. Fuck you? Buying as cheaply as possible is the only way to do it.

I wouldn't care if I could make 50k gold a day, I'm still not going to throw it away by overpaying on things.


I just made ONE for my alt and it felt like I was giving away my first born child. It takes 16 days to gather the spell cloth for each bag. To make 3-4 of them would be the same as asking to buy someones grand master tailoring cooldown for 2 months. At that point you might as well just make a grand master tailor.I'm almost there, I just have two more levels before I can master it. I woulda had those a long time ago as well if someone hadn't quit on me.

If no one has cheap mats, that's fine. But I see no harm in shoppin around.

[TheEschaton]

Nice ninja log last night Nekk.

We came within 5 seconds, but then we killed Maly because we couldn't dismount fast enough. We woulda had it, but some people died at the very beginning of p3.

-TheE-

[Some Rogue]

LOLZ

What? My internet went out!

[g++]

Er, hit is more important for dps than Strength. At least until you've got plenty of raid gear.


My mage is hit capped, Im attempting 3 drakes right now and paladins are born hit capped...seriously quest greens and your pretty much over the soft cap.

[StrayRogue]

My mage is hit capped, Im attempting 3 drakes right now and paladins are born hit capped...seriously quest greens and your pretty much over the soft cap.

Wish the same was true for rogues...

[Methais]

1. I make gold any way I can.
2. I do, hence how I got my prices.
3. I do when I need to.
4. Fuck you? Buying as cheaply as possible is the only way to do it.

I wouldn't care if I could make 50k gold a day, I'm still not going to throw it away by overpaying on things.

I'm almost there, I just have two more levels before I can master it. I woulda had those a long time ago as well if someone hadn't quit on me.

If no one has cheap mats, that's fine. But I see no harm in shoppin around.

In the time you spend looking for a better bargain, you most likely could have farmed up at least twice the amount of gold you saved by holding out for said "bargain". Being the super duper awesome merchant you are in GS, simple mathematics like this should be obvious.

"Time is money friend!"
http://www.keenandgraev.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/tuxedo-300x300.jpg


4. Fuck you? Buying as cheaply as possible is the only way to do it.

If you really wanna hold out for X days in order to save yourself a couple hundred gold when you could farm that up in an hour or two then I suppose it's your time to waste. Don't get all butthurt when being called cheap though, because that's what it is.

[AestheticDeath]

Pretty sure I know what I am doing, and just because I hold out on a good deal doesn't mean I have stopped making gold. It's not like I am sitting on my ass waiting for someone to sell me something.

Buying them at a higher price to get it quicker doesn't help me in any way. I already have plenty of other enchanting bags I am using, I am just looking to make more space by having larger bags in my bank.

I am not butthurt because you are calling me cheap. I will admit to being cheap. That's what being a merchant is all about. Buy low, sell high. Or in this case, since I can't recoup jack shit from what I am wasting my gold on, I want to waste the least amount possible. I'm not sure where you got lost in all this, but you obviously aren't trying to help. Just keep calling me stupid cause I don't spend more then I have to, and I will keep looking for some cheaper prices.

[Keller]

Pretty sure I know what I am doing, and just because I hold out on a good deal doesn't mean I have stopped making gold. It's not like I am sitting on my ass waiting for someone to sell me something.

Buying them at a higher price to get it quicker doesn't help me in any way. I already have plenty of other enchanting bags I am using, I am just looking to make more space by having larger bags in my bank.

I am not butthurt because you are calling me cheap. I will admit to being cheap. That's what being a merchant is all about. Buy low, sell high. Or in this case, since I can't recoup jack shit from what I am wasting my gold on, I want to waste the least amount possible. I'm not sure where you got lost in all this, but you obviously aren't trying to help. Just keep calling me stupid cause I don't spend more then I have to, and I will keep looking for some cheaper prices.

Get a job. It will pay you at least $10/hr if you've got any kind of skillset.

Work for 3 hrs. You will gross $30, and then you'll likely net somewhere around $25.

That $25 should buy you anywhere between 1.5-2k gold.

Time is money. Whether it is gold, or dollars. It sounds like you're wasting a lot more than necessary.

[AestheticDeath]

I have a job, and I don't plan on buying gold. WTF is wrong with you morons? I am asking for cheap mats not a discussion on how I am wasting time or how to buy gold. I have wasted more time responding to stupid ideas than I have looking for mats.

[Nieninque]

Then fuck off and stop wasting our time by making stupid posts. No-one is going to make you shit when you are too fucking tight to farm shit for yourself.

GTFO

[AestheticDeath]

Whatever bitch. You guys are uptight pricks. Glad I don't have my main on Dunemaul.

And how can you be so fucking stupid as to say I don't farm for myself? What do you think I am doing while I shop around? I cannot make the damn cloth yet. Big fucking deal. Grow up.

[Nieninque]

Yeah, we need to grow up, while you are crying about spending pretend money in a video game.

Duh!

[Ignot]

WoW drama is the best.

[CrystalTears]

Maybe if this wasn't the first time you've complained about gold, you wouldn't be getting this kind of response.

It's not an easy task what you're asking for. If you see that after a few days there isn't a better offer, just suck it up and get what you can. It's not like you can't recoup what you spend.

[Tisket]

Gold is ridiculously easy to accumulate. Someone is asking for help doing so? HAHAHA. They fail at WoW.

[AestheticDeath]

How is asking for a better price crying? Seriously. I can get more help from people in game who have never fucking met me.

Anyhow I just got 4 bags for the price of 3, so asking in game pays off.

There's 500-600 gold saved, for a little bit of time. At my level it would have taken me a whole day or more to get that much.

I don't suppose there is much point in asking for help from anyone here anymore.

[Ignot]

How is asking for a better price crying? Seriously. I can get more help from people in game who have never fucking met me.

Anyhow I just got 4 bags for the price of 3, so asking in game pays off.

There's 500-600 gold saved, for a little bit of time. At my level it would have taken me a whole day or more to get that much.

I don't suppose there is much point in asking for help from anyone here anymore.

Don't sweat it, the PC is just having it's period today.

[Tisket]

It's hard to feel sorry for AD. He's usually just so busy feeling sorry for himself I figure why bother. It'd just be wasted effort.

[RichardCranium]

Can someone send me three netherweave bags for free? Also, fellate me while I play WoW? Send them to Krugash.

[AestheticDeath]

Can someone send me three netherweave bags for free? Also, fellate me while I play WoW? Send them to Krugash.

what server? i can do the bags

the 11 hunter on dunemaul?

[AestheticDeath]

Maybe if this wasn't the first time you've complained about gold, you wouldn't be getting this kind of response.


I am not complaining about gold, I was looking for a cheaper price. What other time have I complained about gold? All I can recall was asking once about buying gold, and then deciding not to do it.

[RichardCranium]

what server? i can do the bags

the 11 hunter on dunemaul?


Yes.

[Some Rogue]

If anybody has lowbies on Dunemaul that wants a guild, I started one with a few other PC people. It's not a serious guild really, mainly just my alts and like 3 or 4 other people from here but we do have a bank tab to help you out with your profs.

[Methais]

Pretty sure I know what I am doing, and just because I hold out on a good deal doesn't mean I have stopped making gold. It's not like I am sitting on my ass waiting for someone to sell me something.

Buying them at a higher price to get it quicker doesn't help me in any way. I already have plenty of other enchanting bags I am using, I am just looking to make more space by having larger bags in my bank.

I am not butthurt because you are calling me cheap. I will admit to being cheap. That's what being a merchant is all about. Buy low, sell high. Or in this case, since I can't recoup jack shit from what I am wasting my gold on, I want to waste the least amount possible. I'm not sure where you got lost in all this, but you obviously aren't trying to help. Just keep calling me stupid cause I don't spend more then I have to, and I will keep looking for some cheaper prices.

The point I was making is that in the time you spent holding out for a better deal, you could have farmed up probably at least twice the amount of gold you would have "saved" in the same amount of time.

Let me break it down to small numbers and timeframes to keep things simple:

- You can buy X item right now for 100g.

- You can buy X item next week for 50g.

- You can farm 25g per hour.

So...you could either wait a week to save yourself 50g, or you could farm for 2 hours and get the item now.

Not sure why you're so offended by this concept, but whatever.


I am not butthurt because you are calling me cheap. I will admit to being cheap. That's what being a merchant is all about. Buy low, sell high.

To an extent, sure. But 90% of merchanting is more about being smart rather than cheap. Being cheap doesn't necessarily mean you're smart, being smart doesn't necessarily mean you're cheap, and a dumb merchant that's cheap is still a dumb merchant that will most likely fail.


Just keep calling me stupid cause I don't spend more then I have to, and I will keep looking for some cheaper prices.

I never called you stupid. As a matter of fact, your quote is the only line in this thread that called you stupid.


I don't suppose there is much point in asking for help from anyone here anymore.

http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/3815/linkinpark1gs2.jpg

[Methais]

http://forum.gsplayers.com/images/reputation/reputation_neg.gif Dunemaul (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?p=913048#post913048) 03-28-2009 02:08 PM can you just go back to posting funny pictures and stop being a douche?

I wasn't aware that having common sense and showing others how to also have common sense = douchebaggery.

What I'm trying to say is:
http://chinadigitaltimes.net/wp-content/uploads/mt-old/thumbnail/061107123a_3.jpg

[RichardCranium]

Methais you don't have your mage on Dunemaul now?

[Methais]

No I transferred back to Eredar once the 30 days was up.

[AestheticDeath]

I'm not sure how you think the way you think.

I can farm the 25g an hour, whether I buy now, or buy later. My way I have an extra 50g left over. 50g I can spend on one of the other bajillion items I need/want.

Not only that, but I can use my 100g to invest in something I can resell, rather than wasting it. You forget the item I was looking to buy was not going to be resold? And next week when I find the item for 50g, I have all the hours @ 25g, plus extra interest on the 100g I used to invest in items to resell on the AH. And if it was really a week long search I would have interest on the interest of the 100g.

[Methais]

I'm not sure how you think the way you think.

I can farm the 25g an hour, whether I buy now, or buy later. My way I have an extra 50g left over. 50g I can spend on one of the other bajillion items I need/want.

Not only that, but I can use my 100g to invest in something I can resell, rather than wasting it. You forget the item I was looking to buy was not going to be resold? And next week when I find the item for 50g, I have all the hours @ 25g, plus extra interest on the 100g I used to invest in items to resell on the AH. And if it was really a week long search I would have interest on the interest of the 100g.

http://www.gifbin.com/bin/1232550426_worf%20face%20palm.gif

[g++]

How is asking for a better price crying? Seriously. I can get more help from people in game who have never fucking met me.

Anyhow I just got 4 bags for the price of 3, so asking in game pays off.

There's 500-600 gold saved, for a little bit of time. At my level it would have taken me a whole day or more to get that much.

I don't suppose there is much point in asking for help from anyone here anymore.


Well now on to the more important question...Why the hell do you need 128 slots of enchanting bag space?

Actually your going to buy netherweave for 3g tailor it out and disenchant it for a profit. Thats what I am guessing anyway now that I think about it. You can make a profit doing that....you can also make 300g an hour flying in circles around sholazar basin or 150g an hour grinding rep. I think what your missing about WoW is that while you CAN be an uber merchant and cut some profit out on sales the fact is you can also just grab a mining pick and literally pick gold up off the floor.

[Some Rogue]

And so it begins....

Had our first Gquit over achievements.

[Keller]

And so it begins....

Had our first Gquit over achievements.

Did he quit because of the emphasis on achievements? Or because no one showed up for the achievement runs?

Inquiring minds must know which side of retard the gquit'er is, because I think I've got some kind of trademark on gquitting and I need to protect that shit.

[Some Rogue]

He died on a boss, ruined Immortal for the week, GM acts stupid about it...person gquits.

[g++]

He died on a boss, ruined Immortal for the week, GM acts stupid about it...person gquits.

Our guild leader died on 10 man safety dance this week after making a huge speech on vent about how anyone who dies on safety dance should just sit out because its so insanely easy and no one should ever die. We lol'd mightily.

[Some Rogue]

Our guild leader died on 10 man safety dance this week after making a huge speech on vent about how anyone who dies on safety dance should just sit out because its so insanely easy and no one should ever die. We lol'd mightily.

Hahaha..our first ever try at Immortal, our GM DC'd on Sapphiron right before a breath. I lol'd as well.

[Keller]

Hahaha..our first ever try at Immortal, our GM DC'd on Sapphiron right before a breath. I lol'd as well.

I need to pay one your pallies to DI your GM upon entering the instance on an Immortal attempt. That vent recording could be awesome.

[g++]

I need to pay one your pallies to DI your GM upon entering the instance on an Immortal attempt. That vent recording could be awesome.

Trash doesnt count, you would have to do it on a boss.

[Keller]

So this reminds me . . .

I was running 25-man Naxx with the Establishment to get badges for pvp gear. I used to be pretty well regarded by their GM and he tends to let me tag along to raids when he's got space.

So, we're on that boss with the pos/neg sides. It's an alt-raid, so we've got some substantial DPS pressure since it is a DPS race. On the beginning of the fight (the part with the two adds you need to kill simultaneously), we lose like 3 dps to stupidity. So the GM calls a wipe.

I bloodlust, because it'd be funny. GM was like, "who the fuck bloodlusted?!" I admitted it, because other people were laughing and I thought it was funny. He didn't agree as he screamed that now we'd have to wait 5-minutes to restart the fight.

I calmly explained that first, sated was a debuff you lost when you died. Therefore, no one had it anymore; second, even if it did last through death, I promise we would not be on the boss in under 5-minutes, and in fact I'd give everyone in the raid 100g if we were even buffed and ready to engage the mini-bosses in 5-minutes (of course it took 7 minutes to get to that point).

What is with high-strung assholes trying to make a game not-fun?

[Keller]

Trash doesnt count, you would have to do it on a boss.

That would work, too.

[g++]

So this reminds me . . .

I was running 25-man Naxx with the Establishment to get badges for pvp gear. I used to be pretty well regarded by their GM and he tends to let me tag along to raids when he's got space.

So, we're on that boss with the pos/neg sides. It's an alt-raid, so we've got some substantial DPS pressure since it is a DPS race. On the beginning of the fight (the part with the two adds you need to kill simultaneously), we lose like 3 dps to stupidity. So the GM calls a wipe.

I bloodlust, because it'd be funny. GM was like, "who the fuck bloodlusted?!" I admitted it, because other people were laughing and I thought it was funny. He didn't agree as he screamed that now we'd have to wait 5-minutes to restart the fight.

I calmly explained that first, sated was a debuff you lost when you died. Therefore, no one had it anymore; second, even if it did last through death, I promise we would not be on the boss in under 5-minutes, and in fact I'd give everyone in the raid 100g if we were even buffed and ready to engage the mini-bosses in 5-minutes (of course it took 7 minutes to get to that point).

What is with high-strung assholes trying to make a game not-fun?

If you really want to fuck a raid over on thaddius go invisible/stealth or feign death on a wipe it will likely ruin the entire run because he bugs out and keeps everyone in the raid in combat until you make it back to him and wipe again. Everytime someone dies on frogger they need to release and try again because there are no rezz's and no summons its soul crushing.

[Trouble]

If you really want to fuck a raid over on thaddius go invisible/stealth or feign death on a wipe it will likely ruin the entire run because he bugs out and keeps everyone in the raid in combat until you make it back to him and wipe again. Everytime someone dies on frogger they need to release and try again because there are no rezz's and no summons its soul crushing.
We just had that happen this week. We wiped on Thaddius and we couldn't figure out why we were all stuck in combat when we zoned back in. Nice to know why in case it happens again...

We didn't all have to die though, by the time I made it back up to the boss (I had zoned back out to strip) we were out of combat.

[g++]

We just had that happen this week. We wiped on Thaddius and we couldn't figure out why we were all stuck in combat when we zoned back in. Nice to know why in case it happens again...

We didn't all have to die though, by the time I made it back up to the boss (I had zoned back out to strip) we were out of combat.

Its up to the person who bugs him. If Thaddius resets while someone still has his debuff he keeps the raid on his aggro list even though he has no aggro. The person who gliches him has to die to reset him if you do it yourself your in control of the raids ability to function.

[TheEschaton]

Hahaha..our first ever try at Immortal, our GM DC'd on Sapphiron right before a breath. I lol'd as well.

LOL, so GM and Officers had a "chat" after raid to discuss wtf was going on. I dropped down to the channel to, initially, just listen to what they were saying. Clawtimez was actually on the side of reason, and eventually I said my piece. I said all of the following things at some point:

1. In response to "Assent is much more hardcore than us, and hardass," I said, "Assent is a bunch of douchebags, and if the choice is between raiding with people I can't stand versus being 'less hardcore', I choose the latter."

2. In response to, "No one respects me (GM) any more, and I need to be more harsh to reign people back in," I said, "People don't respect you because you don't respect them. People get the distinct impression that we do things at your will, for your benefit, and so on, so forth. You haven't taken Naxx seriously except for achievments since you got best in slot gear in every slot because you were the only priest healer, but other people are working on their gear. Now, people respect Hidon, and you know why? Because he respects them." That last piece was a low blow, but I felt good saying it - GM was like, "Well, let them talk to Hidon, I don't really want to talk to them anyways!!!111one!!"

3. In response to, "I want people to be intimidated by me, and to even fear me a little," I said, "I'm not intimidated by you at all, but you make my stress relief more tedious and stressful than what I'm trying to get stress relief from. We did BETTER on bosses AFTER we lost Immortal, and that's because people were relaxed, the stress doesn't help anything." To which I got the response, "Blizzard made the achievment stressful, not me," to which I lawyer him by saying, "Blizzard didn't make your reaction, and it's your reaction that stresses people out, not stress related from actually doing the boss. We're all good players who can handle a boss fight 9.5 times out of 10."

4. In response to, "More people care about achievments, and would gquit if we didn't do them, than the other way around," I responded, "More people care about doing things maturely, professionally, and not wasting time. Sometimes, doing an achievment hones our raiding skills, making us better players - no one complained about S3D when we spent a week downing it. But needlessly making Naxx, a faceroll, so stressful, is ridiculous, especially when people need to do it just for gear."

5. In response to, "we value our raid members," I responded, "you value them based on how high their dps is. The high ones get away with all sorts of shit. I show up to every raid, on time, prepared (repaired and with flasks/food), don't die on bosses, and put out 4.2k dps on Patchwerk, which is still 14th in our guild, and thus means I'm somehow a less valuable member of the guild. If I acted like Glassjoe, or Magesetti, or Rockstar, I would have been gkicked a long ass time ago."

6. At some point, both Claw and I intimated, without naming names, that we knew, between us, 8 or 9 people who just were tired of the drama, and were on the verge of leaving. At that point, we were accused of making threats against the guild, even though our GM had just said, out loud, that he had done a poll in raid about whether people cared about achievments, to prove a point, and wave it in other people's faces. At that point, I responded, "Hey, yanno party chat? People were making jokes like, 'lol, press no for gkick,' and they knew you would see the results. And the people making those comments weren't people who were vocal about their dislike of achievments, but part of that "hardcore group" you seem to think is so gung ho. You want to be a dictator, expect it to foment dissent and revolution."

All in all, it was an amusing conversation. I'm pretty sure I'm on the hot seat now, and that shadow priest might be something GiG is recruiting in the near future. If I weren't the only one in the guild, I might have been asked to leave already.

Oh, and Tina's a bitch.

-TheE-

[Methais]

What is with high-strung assholes trying to make a game not-fun?

There's no room for fun during serious business times.


"No one respects me (GM) any more, and I need to be more harsh to reign people back in,"

http://www.horrordvds.com/reviews/misc/pictures/nerds.jpg

[TheEschaton]

Oh, and several times, I said, "It's JUST A FUCKING GAME, why the fuck are you taking it so seriously?"

To which I received the response, "This is more than a game to me, and that's insulting to all the work I do, blah blah blah."

To which I LOLed.

-TheE-

[Some Rogue]

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a64/lrenzo2/Heil_Hitler.gif

[Methais]

Oh, and several times, I said, "It's JUST A FUCKING GAME, why the fuck are you taking it so seriously?"

To which I received the response, "This is more than a game to me, and that's insulting to all the work I do, blah blah blah."

To which I LOLed.

-TheE-

Is this him and the result of all the "work" he does?
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a162/DoyleHargraves/24xi3bn.jpg

[StrayRogue]

Very weird, the guild I'm in is going through exactly the same thing. I personally can't be fucked with achievements at all. I want to see the content. I want to progress. I do not want to kill one boss in 90 minutes just because people want the fucking A Dedicated Few achievement.

This evening we'd wiped, for the third time, at Thaddius, because one player was a new recruit and didn't know wtf he was doing. I was already eyerolling at this, because I mean c'mon, who the hell hasn't cleared naxx by now.

Second, because we're gunning for the 20 man achievement, the DPS races can get a little hairy. And with 19 or less men (thanks to the noob) we were wiping at 2-3%.

This pisses me off.

I don't mind wipe after wipe after wipe on progress raids. Christ, we banged our head against the big M for months. What I do mind is spending time in an instance we've done back to front, and die. It's fucking boring without dying as a healer, let alone because the GM wants 10 achieve points.

Anyway, I said last try for me. This annoyed some people. They ask why I'm going to leave and I say "bored". This winds them up rotten, so I just log.

Jesus Christ...

[Parkbandit]

So this reminds me . . .

I was running 25-man Naxx with the Establishment to get badges for pvp gear. I used to be pretty well regarded by their GM and he tends to let me tag along to raids when he's got space.

So, we're on that boss with the pos/neg sides. It's an alt-raid, so we've got some substantial DPS pressure since it is a DPS race. On the beginning of the fight (the part with the two adds you need to kill simultaneously), we lose like 3 dps to stupidity. So the GM calls a wipe.

I bloodlust, because it'd be funny. GM was like, "who the fuck bloodlusted?!" I admitted it, because other people were laughing and I thought it was funny. He didn't agree as he screamed that now we'd have to wait 5-minutes to restart the fight.

I calmly explained that first, sated was a debuff you lost when you died. Therefore, no one had it anymore; second, even if it did last through death, I promise we would not be on the boss in under 5-minutes, and in fact I'd give everyone in the raid 100g if we were even buffed and ready to engage the mini-bosses in 5-minutes (of course it took 7 minutes to get to that point).

What is with high-strung assholes trying to make a game not-fun?

In Mich's defense, he's always been high strung.

[Parkbandit]

LOL, so GM and Officers had a "chat" after raid to discuss wtf was going on. I dropped down to the channel to, initially, just listen to what they were saying. Clawtimez was actually on the side of reason, and eventually I said my piece. I said all of the following things at some point:

1. In response to "Assent is much more hardcore than us, and hardass," I said, "Assent is a bunch of douchebags, and if the choice is between raiding with people I can't stand versus being 'less hardcore', I choose the latter."

2. In response to, "No one respects me (GM) any more, and I need to be more harsh to reign people back in," I said, "People don't respect you because you don't respect them. People get the distinct impression that we do things at your will, for your benefit, and so on, so forth. You haven't taken Naxx seriously except for achievments since you got best in slot gear in every slot because you were the only priest healer, but other people are working on their gear. Now, people respect Hidon, and you know why? Because he respects them." That last piece was a low blow, but I felt good saying it - GM was like, "Well, let them talk to Hidon, I don't really want to talk to them anyways!!!111one!!"

3. In response to, "I want people to be intimidated by me, and to even fear me a little," I said, "I'm not intimidated by you at all, but you make my stress relief more tedious and stressful than what I'm trying to get stress relief from. We did BETTER on bosses AFTER we lost Immortal, and that's because people were relaxed, the stress doesn't help anything." To which I got the response, "Blizzard made the achievment stressful, not me," to which I lawyer him by saying, "Blizzard didn't make your reaction, and it's your reaction that stresses people out, not stress related from actually doing the boss. We're all good players who can handle a boss fight 9.5 times out of 10."

4. In response to, "More people care about achievments, and would gquit if we didn't do them, than the other way around," I responded, "More people care about doing things maturely, professionally, and not wasting time. Sometimes, doing an achievment hones our raiding skills, making us better players - no one complained about S3D when we spent a week downing it. But needlessly making Naxx, a faceroll, so stressful, is ridiculous, especially when people need to do it just for gear."

5. In response to, "we value our raid members," I responded, "you value them based on how high their dps is. The high ones get away with all sorts of shit. I show up to every raid, on time, prepared (repaired and with flasks/food), don't die on bosses, and put out 4.2k dps on Patchwerk, which is still 14th in our guild, and thus means I'm somehow a less valuable member of the guild. If I acted like Glassjoe, or Magesetti, or Rockstar, I would have been gkicked a long ass time ago."

6. At some point, both Claw and I intimated, without naming names, that we knew, between us, 8 or 9 people who just were tired of the drama, and were on the verge of leaving. At that point, we were accused of making threats against the guild, even though our GM had just said, out loud, that he had done a poll in raid about whether people cared about achievments, to prove a point, and wave it in other people's faces. At that point, I responded, "Hey, yanno party chat? People were making jokes like, 'lol, press no for gkick,' and they knew you would see the results. And the people making those comments weren't people who were vocal about their dislike of achievments, but part of that "hardcore group" you seem to think is so gung ho. You want to be a dictator, expect it to foment dissent and revolution."

All in all, it was an amusing conversation. I'm pretty sure I'm on the hot seat now, and that shadow priest might be something GiG is recruiting in the near future. If I weren't the only one in the guild, I might have been asked to leave already.

Oh, and Tina's a bitch.

-TheE-

So THIS is why I got a text tonight asking me if I was gquitting. I asked who said I was and Clawtimez name came up. I suppose he got that from me responding to his tell of "I'm tired of this drama" with me saying "Yea, I am too".

I like Sac to be honest.. I only take issues with the way he treats people sometimes. But in his defense.. I've been there, done that. Being a GM/Leader is a real pain in the royal ass. It's a thankless job that has to put up with a shit ton of drama constantly.

[AestheticDeath]

Glad I haven't had to experience all the raid-guild drama yet. Doesn't seem like it makes the game that much more enjoyable.

[Trouble]

In Mich's defense, he's always been high strung.

Is this the same Mich from BBC or TE (or both, I forget)?

[Methais]

Glad I haven't had to experience all the raid-guild drama yet. Doesn't seem like it makes the game that much more enjoyable.

It doesn't make it more enjoyable at all. It pretty much ruins the whole game and makes raiding retarded.

[oldanforgotten]

LOL, so GM and Officers had a "chat" after raid to discuss wtf was going on. I dropped down to the channel to, initially, just listen to what they were saying. Clawtimez was actually on the side of reason, and eventually I said my piece. I said all of the following things at some point:

1. In response to "Assent is much more hardcore than us, and hardass," I said, "Assent is a bunch of douchebags, and if the choice is between raiding with people I can't stand versus being 'less hardcore', I choose the latter."

2. In response to, "No one respects me (GM) any more, and I need to be more harsh to reign people back in," I said, "People don't respect you because you don't respect them. People get the distinct impression that we do things at your will, for your benefit, and so on, so forth. You haven't taken Naxx seriously except for achievments since you got best in slot gear in every slot because you were the only priest healer, but other people are working on their gear. Now, people respect Hidon, and you know why? Because he respects them." That last piece was a low blow, but I felt good saying it - GM was like, "Well, let them talk to Hidon, I don't really want to talk to them anyways!!!111one!!"

3. In response to, "I want people to be intimidated by me, and to even fear me a little," I said, "I'm not intimidated by you at all, but you make my stress relief more tedious and stressful than what I'm trying to get stress relief from. We did BETTER on bosses AFTER we lost Immortal, and that's because people were relaxed, the stress doesn't help anything." To which I got the response, "Blizzard made the achievment stressful, not me," to which I lawyer him by saying, "Blizzard didn't make your reaction, and it's your reaction that stresses people out, not stress related from actually doing the boss. We're all good players who can handle a boss fight 9.5 times out of 10."

4. In response to, "More people care about achievments, and would gquit if we didn't do them, than the other way around," I responded, "More people care about doing things maturely, professionally, and not wasting time. Sometimes, doing an achievment hones our raiding skills, making us better players - no one complained about S3D when we spent a week downing it. But needlessly making Naxx, a faceroll, so stressful, is ridiculous, especially when people need to do it just for gear."

5. In response to, "we value our raid members," I responded, "you value them based on how high their dps is. The high ones get away with all sorts of shit. I show up to every raid, on time, prepared (repaired and with flasks/food), don't die on bosses, and put out 4.2k dps on Patchwerk, which is still 14th in our guild, and thus means I'm somehow a less valuable member of the guild. If I acted like Glassjoe, or Magesetti, or Rockstar, I would have been gkicked a long ass time ago."

6. At some point, both Claw and I intimated, without naming names, that we knew, between us, 8 or 9 people who just were tired of the drama, and were on the verge of leaving. At that point, we were accused of making threats against the guild, even though our GM had just said, out loud, that he had done a poll in raid about whether people cared about achievments, to prove a point, and wave it in other people's faces. At that point, I responded, "Hey, yanno party chat? People were making jokes like, 'lol, press no for gkick,' and they knew you would see the results. And the people making those comments weren't people who were vocal about their dislike of achievments, but part of that "hardcore group" you seem to think is so gung ho. You want to be a dictator, expect it to foment dissent and revolution."

All in all, it was an amusing conversation. I'm pretty sure I'm on the hot seat now, and that shadow priest might be something GiG is recruiting in the near future. If I weren't the only one in the guild, I might have been asked to leave already.

Oh, and Tina's a bitch.

-TheE-


I think your GM fell into a classic trap of a guild that completely changes its tune to go from a group of friends raiding to a hardcore type of mentality over time despite the fact that many of the people in the guild never signed up for the hardcore aspect of things.

You can't just go hardcore as a group of people who were not that before, because it ruins the environment and basically, shows a GM that did not successfully manage the expectations of the members in terms of what they should expect from the guild.

Competitiveness also sucks. Trying to beat the guild next door or making those kinds of comparisons are pointless. You should be doing things at your own pace. Otherwise why pay to play? The people who are in hardcore guilds generally are there because that's what the enjoy. You can't just turn a guild hardcore without pointless drama.

[Keller]

Is this the same Mich from BBC or TE (or both, I forget)?

Ya. Malorum (Michad).

[g++]

It doesn't make it more enjoyable at all. It pretty much ruins the whole game and makes raiding retarded.

Its not stressful if you realize theres actually nothing to be stressed about. A few times my GM has been like pj you got hit by a fire wall or your dps is a little low...im just immediately like "Yah you know Im sure someone can do a better job you should replace me". No more bitching.

Also E our shadow priest does 5k+ on patchwork how is that possible?

[CrystalTears]

This is why I don't intend to raid this time around. It's too stressful.

[Me]

Ya. Malorum (Michad).


Mich is a sweetie. He yells and screams and freaks out then 5 seconds later admits it was his fault. I have been in guilds where the raid leader becomes insane and starts getting personal with every member Gerbel, Raid leaders that just get pissed they leave the raid Hi Matray, Raid Leaders who are not even paying attention to what is going and starts screaming and everyone leaves vent. Heh

Of all of them Mich is pussy cat compared to the others. He even tells everyone before Naxx tonight we are not looking for achievs we are getting others gear.

TheEschaton your guild is on the verge of a major meltdown. The loud ones are not the ones you have to watch out for its the quiet members who will just disappear in disgust. Your GM is a brainless twat if he thinks hes going to hold it together with that kind of attitude.

LF

[Trouble]

My current guild is made up of self-described 'old people' and while they do raid the T7 stuff every week with a few groups, they claim not to take it very seriously. They definitely have the 15/10 (used to be 25/15) rule where the semi-serious players carry the others through encounters and they're perfectly comfortable with it. For instance, we had a ret pally do 450 DPS for OS 10 the other night (no I didn't accidentally leave off a zero).

I'm still new to T7 raiding but I'm having a fun time so far. It's tougher to find 10-man groups than I expected (25s are much easier). Once I get fully-geared I'll probably cycle through alts since that's what it looks like the serious players in my guild do.

And I always though Mich was ok. I was only in BBC for a month before it split but I had a decent time other than the late raid times.

I popped Dimar back in last night and we had just won WG so I did VoA... who did I run into but Eranon.

[AnticorRifling]

My current guild is made up of self-described 'old people' and while they do raid the T7 stuff every week with a few groups, they claim not to take it very seriously. They definitely have the 15/10 (used to be 25/15) rule where the semi-serious players carry the others through encounters and they're perfectly comfortable with it. For instance, we had a ret pally do 450 DPS for OS 10 the other night (no I didn't accidentally leave off a zero).

I'm still new to T7 raiding but I'm having a fun time so far. It's tougher to find 10-man groups than I expected (25s are much easier). Once I get fully-geared I'll probably cycle through alts since that's what it looks like the serious players in my guild do.

And I always though Mich was ok. I was only in BBC for a month before it split but I had a decent time other than the late raid times.

I popped Dimar back in last night and we had just won WG so I did VoA... who did I run into but Eranon.
Yeah I threatened to report Eranon if he didn't heal me during warsong gulch last night (before we did WG) he followed me in, tossed one heal, ghost wolfed away and spammed me with LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL in whispers the fucker.

[crazymage]

After 4 years, I finally capped a character! YAY ME.

[Keller]

To be clear, I don't dislike Mich.

I think he's one of the better raid leaders around. But I just think I've done the hardcore PvE thing in WoW 1.0. I did the hardcore PvP thing in WoW 2.0. Now I just want to have some fun.

[AnticorRifling]

To be clear, I don't dislike Mich.

I think he's one of the better raid leaders around. But I just think I've done the hardcore PvE thing in WoW 1.0. I did the hardcore PvP thing in WoW 2.0. Now I just want to have some fun. Lvl another PvP holy paladin, I need a 2s partner you SOB.

[Keller]

Lvl another PvP holy paladin, I need a 2s partner you SOB.

I actually reactivated Abica last night.

You need a job, right? Wanna level a paladin? I've got almost a full level 70 epic ret set and a S3 2-handed sword.

[Trouble]

I actually reactivated Abica last night.

You need a job, right? Wanna level a paladin? I've got almost a full level 70 epic ret set and a S3 2-handed sword.

/startattack
/castrandom Judgement of Light, Judgement of Light, Crusader Strike, Hammer of Wrath, Hammer of Wrath, Divine Storm, Exorcism, Judgement of Light

Bind to all keys and faceroll. Instant level 80 Pally. Add Consecration at the end if desired.

[Me]

Believe it or not the pve thing is fun to me. When I transferred servers and got left on stupid rivendare by Recoil. I did nothing but pvp, bg's and grind. I was bored out of my mind.

I have come to the realization the making the game fun is on me. So I join a guild where I enjoy a majority of the people. I like helping people so I do, I get to see new content, wipe constantly until a boss in down, laugh at guild drama, point out wow girl tramps (my favorite pastime) and if it starts to bother me I go play an alt that no ones knows and only pvp when I am with friends or guildies I hate it otherwise. I need to raid I can't seem to enjoy the game without it.

LF

[Keller]

Ya, it's not hard -- I just don't have the time.

[AnticorRifling]

/startattack
/castrandom Judgement of Light, Judgement of Light, Crusader Strike, Hammer of Wrath, Hammer of Wrath, Divine Storm, Exorcism, Judgement of Light

Bind to all keys and faceroll. Instant level 80 Pally. Add Consecration at the end if desired.
You forgot to add divine plea into that. :)

[Some Rogue]

point out wow girl tramps (my favorite pastime)

LF
Names plz??

:yes:

[Me]

Nadia her warlock is now something like psysomething or other

Nalla Not sure she is a tramp but gods she is clueless

after that its gonna cost you gold for me to squeal

LF

[Some Rogue]

:(

[TheEschaton]

Also E our shadow priest does 5k+ on patchwork how is that possible?

5.2-5.4k is about the cap for shadow priests right now, if he's does much more than that he's far superior to me. He might be popping a wild magic potion during blood lust too, idk.

I was also unflasked and not using buff food because, like I said before, Naxx25 is a faceroll. With that up, I'd probably have been around 4.7ishk, that's what I would normally do. Oh, and in 25 man boss fights, I usually am fighting a latency of anywhere from 1k to 1.6k. That's a second of lag, mang. I need to hardwire my connection, and that's probably the difference between the two of us. :( There's also the factor that I suck at my class. :P I only used the 4.2k in my argument because in 95% of raids on the server, that would be top 5 dps behind the hunters/mages/locks, and in our guild I'm at the bottom of the list, meaning we're pretty damn good as a collective, but the people who are doing 5k+ are valued more as guild members despite being raging douchebags.

-TheE-