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Alashir

08-28-2020, 07:24 PM

I'm just going by what you mental midgets are saying. Are Proud Boys white supremacists or do they just have racial prejudices towards others? Let's all get on the same page here.

It's always so much fun arguing with idiots.

Idiots: Proud Boys are a bunch of white supremacists!
Tgo01: Why would a white supremacist marry a black woman then have kids with this black woman who he himself would view as members of an inferior race?
Idiots: Racists aren't all white supremacists! Some just have racial prejudices towards others!
Tgo01: So are Proud Boys white supremacists or do they just have racial prejudices towards others?
Idiots: Stop deflecting! Stop making specious assertions based on what I say!!11

This is called cognitive dissonance. The proud boys are a racist group. There's a spectrum for racism. It's possible to be racist, marry a minority, and have children, but still be racist. It doesn't mean proud boys aren't a racist group just because a few of their members contradict themselves.

Your brain performs similar mental gymnastics when you're tasked with providing singular and clarifying answers. If anyone has insight into how it's possible, it should be yourself

Tgo01

08-28-2020, 07:27 PM

According to what authority... you?

The term literally just means "Antifascist" and is vastly open to both interpretation, and application -- I'm sure that's one fair assessment, just as I'm sure it's fair to say are a few hate-filled shitheads identifying as such... but that, by no means, make it universally accurate.

I'm not sure why this is such a difficult concept for you to grasp.[/QUOTE]

I'm sure the irony in your "answer" is 100% lost on you.

But you still didn't answer my question: Do you identify with Antifa, an explicitly violent and hate filled organization? Why or why not?

Tgo01

08-28-2020, 07:28 PM

In every one of those the person has been caught and charged, or is at least being sought, why should this be any different?

And that 'black militia shooting' was a negligent discharge, lol

And this is true for the two instances in the picture too. Why do you act like a story only goes away if the person was caught, charged, or being sought? It seems the stories only go away if it's leftwing terrorists/murderers and stays in the news forever if it's people defending themselves from leftwing terrorists/murderers. Strange how that works.

Tgo01

08-28-2020, 07:30 PM

This is called cognitive dissonance. The proud boys are a racist group. There's a spectrum for racism. It's possible to be racist, marry a minority, and have children, but still be racist. It doesn't mean proud boys aren't a racist group just because a few of their members contradict themselves.

My question is a simple one so I'll ask again: Are Proud Boys white supremacists or do they just have racial prejudices towards others?

I'll also ask this simple question again: Do you identify with Antifa, an explicitly violent and hate filled organization? Why or why not?

~Rocktar~

08-28-2020, 07:34 PM

According to what authority... you?

The term literally just means "Antifascist" and is vastly open to both interpretation, and application -- I'm sure that's one fair assessment, just as I'm sure it's fair to say are a few hate-filled shitheads identifying as such... but that, by no means, make it universally accurate.

I'm not sure why this is such a difficult concept for you to grasp.

Oh honey, you did NOT just try and use that "It's in their name" trope as an argument did you? Bless your heart.

Taernath

08-28-2020, 07:36 PM

And this is true for the two instances in the picture too. Why do you act like a story only goes away if the person was caught, charged, or being sought? It seems the stories only go away if it's leftwing terrorists/murderers and stays in the news forever if it's people defending themselves from leftwing terrorists/murderers. Strange how that works.

The obvious answer is that there's video of the kid gunning down multiple people and the two boomers flagging the crowd with their guns while being generally terrible people.

FlayedAngel

08-28-2020, 07:38 PM

This is why you're such a cowardly piece of shit. You always do this. "This is what why it happens!" "I didn't say it was the ONLY reason it happens!"

Okay so what are the other reasons for why a racist would marry members that are not of their own race and for why outspoken homophobes would fuck gay men?
That's not even remotely close to the point I was making.

Tgo01

08-28-2020, 07:39 PM

The term literally just means "Antifascist"

Honestly I thought you were better than this to pull out this dumb ass argument, but that's what I get for giving far leftists the benefit of the doubt.

You're so easily misled.

"It stands for Antifascist! They are just against fascists!"

"It's called the Patriot Act! Clearly it's just filled with Patriotic goodies!"

"It's called pro-choice! It's all about giving women a choice!"

"It's called the Affordable Care Act, so clearly it makes healthcare affordable!"

"It's called PolitiFact, clearly they just deal with facts!"

The irony of a far leftist falling for obvious branding and a rightwinger, who apparently loves him some corporatism, has to explain to him how branding works and how easily he falls for it.

Tgo01

08-28-2020, 07:44 PM

The obvious answer is that there's video of the kid gunning down multiple people and the two boomers flagging the crowd with their guns while being generally terrible people.

And there's video of David Dorn lying in the street gasping for air as a black teenager films it and cries about this man dying at the hands of looting thugs. But that doesn't quite have the same "Orange Man Bad!" feel to it as a couple of white people holding guns.

FlayedAngel

08-28-2020, 07:45 PM

Oh honey, you did NOT just try and use that "It's in their name" trope as an argument did you? Bless your heart.
No, sugarlips -- I just pointed out how widely open to interpretation the name was.

It isn't an organization in any sort of proper sense of the term, as comparable to the Proud Boys; there's no one "running" Antifa, no one calling shots or divvying responsibility (except on a smaller collective basis), and there are no requirement other than saying "I'm Antifa."

Alashir

08-28-2020, 07:52 PM

My question is a simple one so I'll ask again: Are Proud Boys white supremacists or do they just have racial prejudices towards others?

I'll also ask this simple question again: Do you identify with Antifa, an explicitly violent and hate filled organization? Why or why not?

I can't imagine it was fun to do group projects with you. Lol I Iiterally have a headache from trying to follow your inane reasoning. I give up. You win. The Proud boys and Trump are amazing groups and love all people equally. Blessed are those lucky enough to be inducted into their members. Antifa are terrorists and only want anarchy. They live for blood. Uhh Bernie Sanders is a terrible human being and wants to turn the US into communists. Obviously he's in with putin and definitely not Trump. Ban abortion and gay marriage. People who get abortions are murderers. Probably with antifa too.

Oh and covid is a conspiracy.

Tgo01

08-28-2020, 07:53 PM

I can't imagine it was fun to do group projects with you. Lol I Iiterally have a headache from trying to follow your inane reasoning. I give up. You win. The Proud boys and Trump are amazing groups and love all people equally. Blessed are those lucky enough to be inducted into their members. Antifa are terrorists and only want anarchy. They live for blood. Uhh Bernie Sanders is a terrible human being and wants to turn the US into communists. Obviously he's in with putin and definitely not Trump. Ban abortion and gay marriage. People who get abortions are murderers. Probably with antifa too.

Oh and covid is a conspiracy.

See how easy it is to break a far leftist? All you have to do is repeat their own words back to them and they break under the pressure of trying to make sense out of their own arguments.

It's a little too easy at times.

This is why they riot, murder, and terrorize others; because they have no rational argument or sense of the world so the only thing left to convince people is violence.

~Rocktar~

08-28-2020, 07:54 PM

No, sugarlips -- I just pointed out how widely open to interpretation the name was.

It isn't an organization in any sort of proper sense of the term, as comparable to the Proud Boys; there's no one "running" Antifa, no one calling shots or divvying responsibility (except on a smaller collective basis), and there are no requirement other than saying "I'm Antifa."

RIGHTTTTTT . . .

Taernath

08-28-2020, 07:55 PM

And there's video of David Dorn lying in the street gasping for air as a black teenager films it and cries about this man dying at the hands of looting thugs. But that doesn't quite have the same "Orange Man Bad!" feel to it as a couple of white people holding guns.

Again I'm not sure what you're asking for here. The guy who did it is charged and in jail. He'll get what's coming to him. I haven't seen anybody here defend Dorn getting shot. Are you trying to draw a moral equivalence between Dorn (a victim) and Rittenhouse (most assuredly NOT the victim)?

https://i.imgur.com/edGoUJc.jpg

FlayedAngel

08-28-2020, 08:08 PM

Honestly I thought you were better than this to pull out this dumb ass argument, but that's what I get for giving far leftists the benefit of the doubt.

You're so easily misled.

"It stands for Antifascist! They are just against fascists!"

"It's called the Patriot Act! Clearly it's just filled with Patriotic goodies!"

"It's called pro-choice! It's all about giving women a choice!"

"It's called the Affordable Care Act, so clearly it makes healthcare affordable!"

"It's called PolitiFact, clearly they just deal with facts!"

The irony of a far leftist falling for obvious branding and a rightwinger, who apparently loves him some corporatism, has to explain to him how branding works and how easily he falls for it.
Is all you have to offer at this point is more deranged ranting and tenuous connections to a bunch of completely unrelated shit that I didn't even bring up?

https://i.imgur.com/J8eaM.gif

See how easy it is to break a far leftist? All you have to do is repeat their own words back to them and they break under the pressure of trying to make sense out of their own arguments.

It's a little too easy at times.

This is why they riot, murder, and terrorize others; because they have no rational argument or sense of the world so the only thing left to convince people is violence.
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Tgo01

08-28-2020, 08:10 PM

Again I'm not sure what you're asking for here.

It's in the image I posted. Why is it the media only focusing on a couple of white people defending their home with guns and a white teenager defending himself from violent anarchists? Because they lie about the circumstances of those two instances to suit their narrative.

Why isn't David Dorn blasted all over the airwaves? Because a bunch of looting thugs murdering an old black man doesn't suit their narrative that the riots are "largely peaceful" and Trump is the one inciting people to violence. Let's at least pretend to be honest here.

Tgo01

08-28-2020, 08:13 PM

Is all you have to offer at this point more deranged ranting and tenuous connections to a bunch of completely unrelated shit that I didn't even bring up?

Well it's not quite making up shit, saying dumb things like "It stands for Antifascist!", or relying on nothing but my feelings and emotions to make my points like you do, but it's something I guess.

Tell us again how men who rail against gays are really straight men who fuck gay men because they want to control gay men. That one is always good for a laugh.

Solkern

08-28-2020, 08:15 PM

Just because the teen was dumb doesn't give some grown ass pedophile the right to attack him. Stop with the nonsense.

Why are you ignoring the criminal complaint YOU linked to? An eye witness standing a couple of feet away told investigators that the pedophile tried to grab the gun from the teen. So stop with the deflections and let's stick to the facts: A violent pedophile is chasing you as you're running from him, he then grabs for your gun. Do you A) Fight for control over your gun with a larger man B) Shoot the pedophile in the head C) Willingly give up your life to a violent pedophile?

Sure sounds like you're saying the teen should have gone with C but we all know you yourself would have gone with B. Why do you hate white teenagers so much?

You’re a fucking idiot.

FlayedAngel

08-28-2020, 08:16 PM

Well it's not quite making up shit, saying dumb things like "It stands for Antifascist!", or relying on nothing but my feelings and emotions to make my points like you do, but it's something I guess.

Tell us again how men who rail against gays are really straight men who fuck gay men because they want to control gay men. That one is always good for a laugh.
https://64.media.tumblr.com/204ac87d576e3053b6e64df82296031b/tumblr_inline_moyhutx0JW1qz4rgp.gif

Solkern

08-28-2020, 08:17 PM

I can't imagine it was fun to do group projects with you. Lol I Iiterally have a headache from trying to follow your inane reasoning. I give up. You win. The Proud boys and Trump are amazing groups and love all people equally. Blessed are those lucky enough to be inducted into their members. Antifa are terrorists and only want anarchy. They live for blood. Uhh Bernie Sanders is a terrible human being and wants to turn the US into communists. Obviously he's in with putin and definitely not Trump. Ban abortion and gay marriage. People who get abortions are murderers. Probably with antifa too.

Oh and covid is a conspiracy.

The sad part is, he honestly thinks you are being serious and believes he’s the reason of your change.

Taernath

08-28-2020, 08:34 PM

It's in the image I posted. Why is it the media only focusing on a couple of white people defending their home with guns and a white teenager defending himself from violent anarchists? Because they lie about the circumstances of those two instances to suit their narrative.

Why isn't David Dorn blasted all over the airwaves? Because a bunch of looting thugs murdering an old black man doesn't suit their narrative that the riots are "largely peaceful" and Trump is the one inciting people to violence. Let's at least pretend to be honest here.

The media is 'focusing' on those two because 1) the Rittenhouse killings happened literally 3 days ago and 2) the boomers are now RNC darlings and gave a speech at the convention. I'm sure the media will forget about those two as soon as the next conservative loony goes on another shooting spree.

Suppa Hobbit Mage

08-28-2020, 08:37 PM

You act like crazy is exclusive to the conservatives.

Tgo01

08-28-2020, 08:41 PM

The media is 'focusing' on those two because 1) the Rittenhouse killings happened literally 3 days ago

The media barely even mentioned David Dorn the day after it happened, much less 3 days later.

2) the boomers are now RNC darlings and gave a speech at the convention. I'm sure the media will forget about those two as soon as the next conservative loony goes on another shooting spree.

Oh please. Like the media had totally forgot all about "crazy white couple pointing guns at peaceful protesters!" until the RNC.

Taernath

08-28-2020, 08:49 PM

The media barely even mentioned David Dorn the day after it happened, much less 3 days later.

Oh please. Like the media had totally forgot all about "crazy white couple pointing guns at peaceful protesters!" until the RNC.

Good lord dude, this is some kind of pathos competition to you, isn't it? Enjoy your victimhood.

Tgo01

08-28-2020, 08:55 PM

Good lord dude, this is some kind of pathos competition to you, isn't it? Enjoy your victimhood.

I just posted an image that was 100% spot on, you're the one trying to spin it that the media isn't being at all biased in their coverage of this shit.

Looters and thugs murder an old black man during the "largely peaceful" riots? Barely gets a mention.

A teenager defends himself from literal violent criminals and pedophiles? He's a murderous racist thug who doesn't care about black lives, let's be sure to make this the story of the day all the way up until election day.

Tgo01

08-28-2020, 11:41 PM

Well this is interesting. (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/08/kyle-rittenhouse-working-lifeguard-kenosha-day-shooting-went-clean-vandalism-school-work/)

In a statement by Rittenhouse’s legal team at Pierce Bainbridge, provided to the Gateway Pundit, “after Kyle finished his work that day as a community lifeguard in Kenosha, he wanted to help clean up some of the damage, so he and a friend went to the local public high school to remove graffiti by rioters.”

“Later in the day, they received information about a call for help from a local business owner, whose downtown Kenosha auto dealership was largely destroyed by mob violence,” the statement continues. “Business owner needed help to protect what he had left of his life’s work, including two nearby mechanic’s shops. Kyle and a friend armed themselves with rifles due to the deadly violence gripping Kenosha and many other American cities, and headed to the business premises. The weapons were in Wisconsin and never crossed state lines.”

So Kyle (the teenager some of you want to see fry for defending himself from violent criminals) didn't "cross state lines" to attend a riot, he was already there on legit business because he's a community lifeguard.

Also the weapon was already in Wisconsin so there goes yet another false narrative you all sucked down and swallowed that he brought a rifle across state lines. No federal charges for this teenager! You fuckers.

Oh for yet the other narrative you all repeated without question that he was a "fugitive" running from the law:

“Kyle got up and continued down the street in the direction of police with his hands in the air. He attempted to contact multiple police officers, but they were more concerned with the wounded attackers. The police did not take Kyle into custody at that time, but instead they indicated he should keep moving,” the statement says. “He fully cooperated, both then and later that night when he turned himself in to the police in his hometown, Antioch, Illinois.”

The teenager surrendered to police on the scene (you can even see it in the video), but they told him to move on, he then went home and turned himself in to his local police.

Do you fuckers have no shame at all left in your soul?

The legal team says that “in a reactionary rush to appease the divisive, destructive forces currently roiling this country, prosecutors in Kenosha did not engage in any meaningful analysis of the facts, or any in-depth review of available video footage (some of which shows that a critical state’s witness was not even at the area where the shots were fired); this was not a serious investigation. Rather, after learning Kyle may have had conservative political viewpoints, they immediately saw him as a convenient target who they could use as a scapegoat to distract from the Jacob Blake shooting and the government’s abject failure to ensure basic law and order to citizens. Within 24-36 hours, he was charged with multiple homicide counts.”

Yup, that about sums it up perfectly. The headlines suddenly went from "Racist cop shoots unarmed black man in back as he was on his way to bible study" to "Racist white teenager murders multiple BLM protesters in cold blood."

And the sad part is people fall for this shit all the time. At least half a dozen people here on the PC bought this shit without even raising an eyebrow.

Parkbandit

08-29-2020, 12:09 AM

Damn those... *checks notes* Antifa district attorneys and their law enforcement cronies!

If only they had your expert legal analysis this 100% innocent kid wouldn't be in trouble (the other people can stay dead though)!

Anyone can be charged.. it's a whole different thing to get a jury to agree with them.

Parkbandit

08-29-2020, 12:11 AM

This is called cognitive dissonance. The proud boys are a racist group. There's a spectrum for racism. It's possible to be racist, marry a minority, and have children, but still be racist. It doesn't mean proud boys aren't a racist group just because a few of their members contradict themselves.

Your brain performs similar mental gymnastics when you're tasked with providing singular and clarifying answers. If anyone has insight into how it's possible, it should be yourself

Which right wing groups would you consider not to be racist?

Sorry... far left wingers like yourself label everything they don't agree with as some sort of "ist"

Parkbandit

08-29-2020, 12:14 AM

The term literally just means "Antifascist"

I haven't heard this line of "reasoning" since time4fun demanded we take Politifact seriously because it has "fact" in the name.

Literally the dumbest thing you've said in this thread.. and you've said some REALLY stupid things.

Parkbandit

08-29-2020, 12:16 AM

The obvious answer is that there's video of the kid gunning down multiple people and the two boomers flagging the crowd with their guns while being generally terrible people.

You see a kid gunning down multiple people and two boomers flagging the crowd... I see a kid defending himself from people attacking him and 2 homeowners defending their property.

Tgo01

08-29-2020, 01:20 AM

https://apnews.com/48c70ebf843f6018d66bddd4e5112e6f

If this turns out to be true are ANY of you going to recognize what a sheep you are and feel like utter shit like you should? I'm gonna go ahead and guess no and you'll just go back to your TV and await your next outrage orders from CNN.

The Kenosha police union on Friday offered the most detailed accounting to date on officers’ perspective of the moments leading up to police shooting Jacob Blake seven times in the back, saying he had a knife and fought with officers, putting one of them in a headlock and shrugging off two attempts to stun him.

Put one of them in a fucking headlock?!?

"But...but he wasn't even resisting arrest!"

Methais

08-29-2020, 02:27 AM

First, I wouldn't be in the position of the kid because I wouldn't be dumb enough to take a gun that I'm not legally allowed to carry to a potentially violent event in order to 'defend' a random gas station.

Second, I wouldn't shoot someone throwing a fucking bag at me, because I'm not a bloodthirsty maniac, I have training with firearms, and I understand restraint.

Third, lol

Are you assuming the bag was empty or something?

Methais

08-29-2020, 02:36 AM

According to what authority... you?

The term literally just means "Antifascist" and is vastly open to both interpretation, and application -- I'm sure that's one fair assessment, just as I'm sure it's fair to say are a few hate-filled shitheads identifying as such... but that, by no means, make it universally accurate.

I'm not sure why this is such a difficult concept for you to grasp.

I thought you were less gullible than this.

https://media2.giphy.com/media/SWoRKslHVtqEasqYCJ/source.gif

FlayedAngel

08-29-2020, 02:39 AM

You act like crazy is exclusive to the conservatives.
Oh, it's not... there's plenty of crazy to go around.

That's not an answer to the question of: Do you identify with Antifa, an explicitly violent and hate filled organization?

The term literally just means "Antifascist" and is vastly open to both interpretation, and application -- I'm sure that's one fair assessment, just as I'm sure it's fair to say are a few hate-filled shitheads identifying as such... but that, by no means, make it universally accurate.

I haven't heard this line of "reasoning" since time4fun demanded we take Politifact seriously because it has "fact" in the name.

Literally the dumbest thing you've said in this thread.. and you've said some REALLY stupid things.
Tell me what part of my statement was wrong then, brainiac.

Antifa is comprised of a diverse array of autonomous groups with the common stated goal of countering fascism, through direct use of both violent and nonviolent action rather than through policy reform -- the fact that someone you disagree with said the same thing once doesn't make it untrue, especially given the stupidity it was in response to.

Calling it an "explicitly violent organization" is tantamount to someone claiming that all conservatives are violent, gun-toting racists... which is also not true. There are clearly people committing acts of violence (whether such acts are justifiable or not is debatable) as a part of Antifa, just like there are conservatives that are violent, gun-toting racists... but neither are exemplary (or even the majority) of their respective groups.

Methais

08-29-2020, 02:40 AM

FlayedAngel

08-29-2020, 02:42 AM

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Tgo01

08-29-2020, 02:49 AM

Calling it an "explicitly violent organization" is tantamount to someone claiming that all conservatives are violent, gun-toting racists... which is also not true. There are clearly people committing out acts of violence (whether such is justifiable or not is debatable) as a part of Antifa, just like there are conservatives that are violent, gun-toting racists... but neither are exemplary (or even the majority) of their respective groups.

So what you're saying is there is more nuance than just declaring "Everyone in group X is bad"?

Solkern

08-29-2020, 06:59 AM

Tell me what part of my statement was wrong then, brainiac.

This is where PB fades away, ignores you and starts to troll someone else. He’s jet lagged.

Parkbandit

08-29-2020, 09:21 AM

Oh, it's not... there's plenty of crazy to go around.

Tell me what part of my statement was wrong then, brainiac.

Antifa is comprised of a diverse array of autonomous groups with the common stated goal of countering fascism, through direct use of both violent and nonviolent action rather than through policy reform -- the fact that someone you disagree with said the same thing once doesn't make it untrue, especially given the stupidity it was in response to.

Calling it an "explicitly violent organization" is tantamount to someone claiming that all conservatives are violent, gun-toting racists... which is also not true. There are clearly people committing out acts of violence (whether such is justifiable or not is debatable) as a part of Antifa, just like there are conservatives that are violent, gun-toting racists... but neither are exemplary (or even the majority) of their respective groups.

Just because they named themselves Antifa, doesn't exactly mean they are anti-fascist.. anymore than Politifact is the end all / be all source of online fact checking.. just because they used the word "fact" in their name.

I imagine you probably believe that Planned Parenthood is all about helping people become better parents too.

I've never been this dumb... what's it like?

Parkbandit

08-29-2020, 09:22 AM

This is where PB fades away, ignores you and starts to troll someone else. He’s jet lagged.

No one believes you have the capability to make an intelligent point... and you never fail them.

Parkbandit

08-29-2020, 09:23 AM

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Uranti

08-29-2020, 09:42 AM

Just because they named themselves Antifa, doesn't exactly mean they are anti-fascist..

Are you going to argue Black Lives Matter doesn't exactly mean Black Lives Matter too? Like some are secretly white supremacists? Did I catch your jet lag?

FlayedAngel

08-29-2020, 09:48 AM

Just because they named themselves Antifa, doesn't exactly mean they are anti-fascist.. anymore than Politifact is the end all / be all source of online fact checking.. just because they used the word "fact" in their name.

I imagine you probably believe that Planned Parenthood is all about helping people become better parents too.

I've never been this dumb... what's it like?
All you just proved is that you disagree on what the term "fascist" means, moron.

Parkbandit

08-29-2020, 09:52 AM

All you just proved is that you disagree on what the term "fascist" means, moron.

No. All I proved was that your understanding goes as far as the name of the organization in your determination for what that organization stands for.

And that understanding is extremely limited... mostly to 2 or 3 syllable words.

Moron.

Parkbandit

08-29-2020, 09:54 AM

Are you going to argue Black Lives Matter doesn't exactly mean Black Lives Matter too? Like some are secretly white supremacists?

Who said the name of every organization means exactly the opposite of what they do?

But BLM doesn't exactly worry about all black lives though... only the specific ones where a white cop kills a black person.

Did I catch your jet lag?

No Solkern, you didn't.

Uranti

08-29-2020, 09:57 AM

No. All I proved was that your understanding goes as far as the name of the organization in your determination for what that organization stands for.

And that understanding is extremely limited... mostly to 2 or 3 syllable words.

Moron.

So you don't know what a fascist is and don't want to look it up?

Uranti

08-29-2020, 10:12 AM

But BLM doesn't exactly worry about all black lives though...

I know right, they hold clean-up events for the whole community.

https://www.wfxg.com/story/42244507/local-black-lives-matter-held-a-community-clean-up-event
https://www.weareiowa.com/article/news/local/des-moines-black-lives-matter-community-service-celebration-sheridan-park/524-fca5657d-8a5a-450d-a5eb-954127caf179
https://www.okgazette.com/oklahoma/black-lives-matter-okc-protest-slideshow-and-call-for-cleanup/Content?oid=7340347

No Solkern, you didn't.

Whew, that's a relief. You appear to still be seeing double though. Triple if you count time4fun.

Solkern

08-29-2020, 10:41 AM

No one believes you have the capability to make an intelligent point... and you never fail them.

Says the person who said Trump was jet lagged after his rally? You don’t even know what jet lag is, and you questioning someone else’s intelligence? You are a special kind of retard.
PB, you’ve proven over and over again, you’re an idiot. You must be permanently jet lagged huh?

The best part?

Or he could be jet lagged.. like anyone would be.

Stop being stupid JUST to be stupid MacGuyver.

You managed to call someone else stupid, when you made absolutely the stupidest sentence/claim in the same post.
Fucking hilarious.

FlayedAngel

08-29-2020, 10:43 AM

Just because they named themselves Antifa, doesn't exactly mean they are anti-fascist.. anymore than Politifact is the end all / be all source of online fact checking.. just because they used the word "fact" in their name.

Who said the name of every organization means exactly the opposite of what they do?

No. All I proved was that your understanding goes as far as the name of the organization in your determination for what that organization stands for.

And that understanding is extremely limited... mostly to 2 or 3 syllable words.

Moron.
Still haven't proven shit, dude.

I provided ample description of the group's commonly stated goals -- you just argued the definition and subsequent application of the term "fascist" vis-à-vis those same stated goals, an argument which wasn't even contrary to my point, and then contradicted your own assertion.

Let me repeat what I said a third time, since you apparently didn't read it:

The term literally just means "Antifascist" and is vastly open to both interpretation, and application -- I'm sure that's one fair assessment, just as I'm sure it's fair to say are a few hate-filled shitheads identifying as such... but that, by no means, make it universally accurate.

Solkern

08-29-2020, 10:45 AM

Still haven't proven shit, dude.

I provided ample description of the group's commonly stated goals -- you just argued the definition and subsequent application of the term "fascist" vis-à-vis the those same stated goals, an argument which wasn't even contrary my point, and then contradicted your own assertion.

Let me repeat what I said a third time, since you apparently didn't read it:

You need to not write so much and use basic words and extremely simple sentence, with just the basic subject, verb and object. PB is permanently jet lagged from going to and from work everyday, his mind doesn’t work.

Ashlander

08-29-2020, 11:13 AM

I haven't heard this line of "reasoning" since time4fun demanded we take Politifact seriously because it has "fact" in the name.

Literally the dumbest thing you've said in this thread.. and you've said some REALLY stupid things.

Back's dumb ass actually used that exact reasoning in one of his attempts to defend them awhile back.

Taernath

08-29-2020, 11:23 AM

So Kyle (the teenager some of you want to see fry for defending himself from violent criminals) didn't "cross state lines" to attend a riot, he was already there on legit business because he's a community lifeguard.

I really want to see the part of the lifeguard charter which allows them to operate as a paramilitary organization. "First to protect, first to kill".

Are you assuming the bag was empty or something?

I dunno Meth, you tell me.

Maybe it was one of those 5 kiloton dirty bomb cEmEnT MiLkShAkEs which are capable of leveling a city block

Parkbandit

08-29-2020, 11:51 AM

Says the person who said Trump was jet lagged after his rally? You don’t even know what jet lag is, and you questioning someone else’s intelligence? You are a special kind of retard.
PB, you’ve proven over and over again, you’re an idiot. You must be permanently jet lagged huh?

The best part?

You managed to call someone else stupid, when you made absolutely the stupidest sentence/claim in the same post.
Fucking hilarious.

You are STILL jerking off to that? 2 months ago?

I guess if that is the best you have...

I literally just have to quote your latest post to provide evidence that your brain is barely functioning.

Parkbandit

08-29-2020, 11:57 AM

Still haven't proven shit, dude.

I provided ample description of the group's commonly stated goals -- you just argued the definition and subsequent application of the term "fascist" vis-à-vis the those same stated goals, an argument which wasn't even contrary my point, and then contradicted your own assertion.

Let me repeat what I said a third time, since you apparently didn't read it:

Hey... if their name literally means Anti-fascism, then they have to be good.. amirite?

Good to know special people like Backlash and time4fun have someone they can have these in-depth political discussions with...

Solkern

08-29-2020, 12:00 PM

You are STILL jerking off to that? 2 months ago?

I guess if that is the best you have...

I literally just have to quote your latest post to provide evidence that your brain is barely functioning.

You were stupid 2 months ago, and it’s evident, you’re still stupid today. Guess time doesn’t change people. Keep going Morty!

Parkbandit

08-29-2020, 12:08 PM

You were stupid 2 months ago, and it’s evident, you’re still stupid today. Guess time doesn’t change people. Keep going Morty!

https://media1.tenor.com/images/937525898cd16688601d8926f8a90ee4/tenor.gif?itemid=15455638

FlayedAngel

08-29-2020, 12:18 PM

Hey... if their name literally means Anti-fascism, then they have to be good.. amirite?

Good to know special people like Backlash and time4fun have someone they can have these in-depth political discussions with...
Did I make that assertion anywhere in there?

You're trolling yourself, dude.

Parkbandit

08-29-2020, 12:58 PM

Did I make that assertion anywhere in there?

You're trolling yourself, dude.

I'm trolling myself... but you keep quoting my posts.....

Like everything else in your "life".. you aren't good at this.

FlayedAngel

08-29-2020, 01:08 PM

I'm trolling myself... but you keep quoting my posts.....

Like everything else in your "life".. you aren't good at this.
I keep quoting your posts because they continue to be wrong.

Any other facile statements you want to make, or are you done?

Solkern

08-29-2020, 01:21 PM

I keep quoting your posts because they continue to be wrong.

Any other facile statements you want to make, or are you done?

He’s trying to reach Tgo’s level of idiocy. Sadly, he’s giving it his best shot, and still coming up short. He needs to try even harder.

Parkbandit

08-29-2020, 01:42 PM

I keep quoting your posts because they continue to be wrong.

Any other facile statements you want to make, or are you done?

Sure.

https://media.giphy.com/media/111ebonMs90YLu/giphy.gif

Parkbandit

08-29-2020, 01:44 PM

He’s trying to reach Tgo’s level of idiocy. Sadly, he’s giving it his best shot, and still coming up short. He needs to try even harder.

And given your recent string of posts, I think it's time for you to challenge Bhaalizmo for the Most Retarded Person Posting On These Forums Champion.

He's been slacking off lately. Could be be he has become self aware of how fucking stupid he's been sounding over the past few months?

I doubt it.. probably just laziness.

Alashir

08-29-2020, 02:36 PM

I really want to see the part of the lifeguard charter which allows them to operate as a paramilitary organization. "First to protect, first to kill".

I dunno Meth, you tell me.

Maybe it was one of those 5 kiloton dirty bomb cEmEnT MiLkShAkEs which are capable of leveling a city block

Lol at everything from tgol saying the kid was there on business as a lifeguard to Taernath asking which part of the charter allows them to function as a paramilitary org.

Solkern

08-29-2020, 03:45 PM

And given your recent string of posts, I think it's time for you to challenge Bhaalizmo for the Most Retarded Person Posting On These Forums Champion.

He's been slacking off lately. Could be be he has become self aware of how fucking stupid he's been sounding over the past few months?

I doubt it.. probably just laziness.

You are 100% on track to hit tgo's level! keep up the hard work and dedication! travel some more, the jet lag seems to be helping you Morty.

Solkern

08-29-2020, 03:47 PM

Lol at everything from tgol saying the kid was there on business as a lifeguard to Taernath asking which part of the charter allows them to function as a paramilitary org.

100% important business. duh! the new rules of life guarding, if someone is drowning, shoot and kill the water!! it's the devil!

Tgo01

08-29-2020, 05:35 PM

Are you going to argue Black Lives Matter doesn't exactly mean Black Lives Matter too? Like some are secretly white supremacists? Did I catch your jet lag?

One who was just shot was a white pedophile who was tossing around the N word like his life depended on it shortly before he died.

Tgo01

08-29-2020, 05:38 PM

I provided ample description of the group's commonly stated goals

You said what their full name is and claim that's the goal they all have in common.

It's like arguing with fucking third graders in here.

"Kim Jong-un couldn't possibly be a dictator because North Korea's full name is Democratic People's Republic of Korea! See! They're a Democracy!"

This is what you're doing. Stop it.

Tgo01

08-29-2020, 05:39 PM

I really want to see the part of the lifeguard charter which allows them to operate as a paramilitary organization. "First to protect, first to kill".

Not at all what I said.

Tgo01

08-29-2020, 05:43 PM

Lol at everything from tgol saying the kid was there on business as a lifeguard to Taernath asking which part of the charter allows them to function as a paramilitary org.

You and Taernath got me! The teen clearly became a lifeguard just to give himself some cover for why he would be there on the day of the riot.

Christ you people are desperate to see an innocent teen hang.

FlayedAngel

08-29-2020, 05:55 PM

You said what their full name is and claim that's the goal they all have in common.

It's like arguing with fucking third graders in here.

"Kim Jong-un couldn't possibly be a dictator because North Korea's full name is Democratic People's Republic of Korea! See! They're a Democracy!"

This is what you're doing. Stop it.
Shockingly, that's not even close to comparable.

Tgo01

08-29-2020, 06:02 PM

Shockingly, that's not even close to comparable.

"Shockingly that destroys my entire argument right there so as usual I'll say that analogy doesn't work!"

It's almost too easy these days.

"Putin couldn't possibly be a dictator because his official title is president!"

FlayedAngel

08-29-2020, 06:56 PM

"Shockingly that destroys my entire argument right there so as usual I'll say that analogy doesn't work!"

It's almost too easy these days.

"Putin couldn't possibly be a dictator because his official title is president!"
Oh look, insisting that you've "won" an argument again on the basis of absolutely nothing substantial.

Solkern

08-29-2020, 08:24 PM

Oh look, insisting that you've "won" an argument again on the basis of absolutely nothing substantial.

Just like the RNC is going to destroy the DNC in broadcast views! Wall to wall non-stop coverage!!!

~Rocktar~

08-29-2020, 10:15 PM

Just like the RNC is going to destroy the DNC in broadcast views! Wall to wall non-stop coverage!!!

Well, the ratings for Fox seems to suggest they did pretty well. Especially since they were being cut short or not shown by most of the leftist networks compared to the cheer leading done on behalf of the DNC for weeks ahead of time and the wall to wall coverage by those same leftist networks.

Tgo01

08-29-2020, 11:54 PM

This is from a so called "journalist":

https://twitter.com/hungrybowtie/status/1299904950751825920?s=20

It’s my opinion, as someone who’s covered the protests here for about 80 nights, that this drive through rally has caused more disruption to the regular citizens of Portland than any of the riots have. PortlandRiots

And the picture he used in this tweet so illustrate his point?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EgowqPhVkAAmtXZ?format=jpg&name=large

Yes that's right. Apparently a group of thugs robbing a trans woman, then beating up another woman who tried to stop them, then causing a truck driver to crash his vehicle, then pulling said driver from his vehicle to literally beat and rob him is nothing compared to a bunch of trucks with flags driving around in Portland obeying all traffic laws.

How are people this big of a joke? Well honestly I guess I can't really blame them, they are just giving their low IQ readers exactly what they want. The blame really lies with the morons who actually believe this shit.

FlayedAngel

08-30-2020, 01:56 AM

This is from a so called "journalist":

https://twitter.com/hungrybowtie/status/1299904950751825920?s=20

Yes that's right. Apparently a group of thugs robbing a trans woman, then beating up another woman who tried to stop them, then causing a truck driver to crash his vehicle, then pulling said driver from his vehicle to literally beat and rob him is nothing compared to a bunch of trucks with flags driving around in Portland obeying all traffic laws.

How are people this big of a joke? Well honestly I guess I can't really blame them, they are just giving their low IQ readers exactly what they want. The blame really lies with the morons who actually believe this shit.

It’s my opinion, as someone who’s covered the protests here for about 80 nights, that this drive through rally has caused more disruption to the regular citizens of Portland than any of the riots have.
I'd say that assessment is accurate.

If you want an actual comparative explanation, it's because the protests are taking place in a small part of downtown that's an extremely low-traffic area, especially right now with things being largely boarded up there due to Covid -- Clackamas and what looks like MLK(?) are much larger thoroughfares, so traffic would undoubtedly be interrupted depending on the size of the rally. To be fair, there have also been similar planned marches for BLM -- there's a few pictures of crowds filling up one of the primary bridges connecting the east and west side... maybe Morrison, maybe one of the smaller ones. You could make an argument for the one resulting in more property damage (minimal though that may be), sure... but in terms of wide-spread disruption alone, the rally would win.

Not sure what a couple of assholes beating up a trans woman has to do with any of that, but okay.

Tgo01

08-30-2020, 02:14 AM

Not sure what a couple of assholes beating up a trans woman has to do with any of that, but okay.

The dude said a bunch of trucks driving on a road and (from what I've seen at least) obeying all traffic laws has caused more disruption to the regular citizens of Portland than any of the riots have. How is it then not fair to compare this incident to other incidents that have happened in Portland during the riots?

That was just one instance of a bunch of people attacking people and literally pulling them out of their cars and beating them, I could name dozens and dozens of other instances of property damage, closing down of streets, assaults, marching through residential areas at midnight shouting into a mega phone and playing loud music, setting buildings and other shit on fire, and a myriad of other things that have happened during Portland "protests" (riots.)

You need to be wearing some huge blinders to pretend a couple of dozen trucks driving on a road has caused more disruption than any of that.

Tgo01

08-30-2020, 02:32 AM

FlayedAngel

08-30-2020, 02:40 AM

Dude, you could probably stand to dial it down like... 500 percent, just sayin'.

FlayedAngel

08-30-2020, 02:42 AM

You need to be wearing some huge blinders to pretend a couple of dozen trucks driving on a road has caused more disruption than any of that.
Yes, we're all wearing YUGE BLINDERS and unable to offer any sort of rational assessment of the situation.

Tgo01

08-30-2020, 02:45 AM

Yes, we're all wearing YUGE BLINDERS and unable to offer any sort of rational assessment of the situation.

You're not being rational at all if you think trucks driving on a street are causing more disruption than anything else I mentioned. Not sure you know what "rational" means.

Tgo01

08-30-2020, 02:52 AM

Dude, you could probably stand to dial it down like... 500 percent, just sayin'.

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1299960525120352258

“He was a f—ing Nazi! Our community held its own.”

Antifa and BLM when a teenager defends himself from violent criminals: The teenager is a Nazi! Fry him!
Antifa and BLM when a Trump supporter is murdered in Portland: He was a Nazi! Good!
Tgo01: These people are fascists.
FlayedAngel: Dude, dial it down. Their name literally means Anti-Fascist.

Maybe someday you'll realize you're on the wrong side of history, my dude. But it's doubtful. The brain washing seems complete and permanent.

Tgo01

08-30-2020, 03:07 AM

Could this Blake story get any worse? (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8675227/amp/Criminal-complaint-Jacob-Blake-says-wanted-domestic-abuse-sexual-assault.html?__twitter_impression=true)

Here is the criminal complaint against Blake that led to his arrest warrant:

According to the probable cause statement on May 3, 2020 a Kenosha police officer responded to the very same address where Blake was shot at on August 24, 2020 for a report that an ex-boyfriend had broken into the residence and stole vehicle keys, a vehicle debit card before fleeing.

The victim explained to police the previous evening she had left at approximately 8pm to attend a party in Milwaukee and had rented a vehicle for the weekend because she didn't think her vehicle would make it up there and back because of mechanical issues.

The victim said she had her sister spend the night and watch her kids when she was gone.

She said she returned back home at about 4.11am, her sister was sleeping in the living room on the couch with numerous children. She said she took her son with her into the first bedroom down the hallway and went to sleep.

The report states at about 6am the victim was woken up by Jacob Blake.

Blake was standing over her saying, 'I want my sh*t.' As the victim laid on her back, Blake, 'suddenly and without warning, reached his hand between her legs, penetrated her vaginally with a finger, pull it out and sniffed it, and said, ''Smells like you've been with other men.''

The officer noted in the report the victim had a very difficult time telling him this and cried as she told how the defendant (Blake) assaulted her and then the defendant immediately left the bedroom.

She told the police being penetrated digitally caused her pain and humiliation and was done without consent.

So the dude broke into her home, raped her while her son was sleeping next to her, then robbed her.

And the day of the shooting:

Coincidentally in a dispatch call on August 24, 2020 first reported by Madison365.org, a woman who told the police dispatcher her name was 'Sabrina' called from Kenosha, Wisconsin and claimed Jacob Blake 'took her keys wasn't supposed to be there and won't give her keys back.'

A few seconds later the dispatcher can he heard telling the police that Blake has a warrant for his arrest.

Someone called police to say Blake was trespassing and stole her keys, dispatch informed officers Blake had a warrant out for his arrest for rape.

Police showed up to arrest Blake, tried to taser him and that didn't work, Blake supposedly put one of them in a headlock (this has only been reported by the Police union though), an officer tried to physically restrain him, when none of that worked he finally shot him. Oh yeah the dude was armed with a knife too, but other than the knife he was unarmed (an actual laughable "news" headline.)

Remember how the original story was Blake was on his way to teach Sunday school, saw a fight happening so stopped his car and got out to break up the fight, then the police showed up and said "Look! A black man! I finally get to shoot me a black man!" as he "calmly" walked to his car?

FlayedAngel

08-30-2020, 03:35 AM

You're not being rational at all if you think trucks driving on a street are causing more disruption than anything else I mentioned. Not sure you know what "rational" means.
Did I not just offer an assessment above? You can disagree if you want, I don't give a fuck -- doesn't make my arguments irrational, especially given the equivocal nature of the subject.

The act of blocking traffic is something you've described as disruptive previously (as in blocking emergency vehicles), and minor cases of vandalism are not directly disruptive in the sense of, you know, disrupting anything... especially in the area where most of the protests are held. Volume could constitute disruption, sure, but are we actually counting protests that aren't part of the primary designated protest zone? In terms of disruption, there's a huge difference between a relatively isolated area and a major thoroughfare. I also wouldn't count individual physical altercations as being directly linked to the larger protests, any more than I would count traffic accidents in the vicinity of the rally as being a result of the rally, for a number of obvious reasons.

It largely depends on your definition of "disruption" -- if you want to discuss the finer points of that then feel free, but you've done little so far except demonstrate an increasingly obvious bias on anything related to these protests.

FlayedAngel

08-30-2020, 03:41 AM

Remember how the original story was Blake was on his way to teach Sunday school, saw a fight happening so stopped his car and got out to break up the fight, then the police showed up and said "Look! A black man! I finally get to shoot me a black man!" as he "calmly" walked to his car?
Nobody said he was a saint, and no one cares -- the primary question was what preceding actions could possibly justify the attempted summary execution we saw on film, especially in the current climate.

FlayedAngel

08-30-2020, 03:47 AM

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1299960525120352258

Antifa and BLM when a teenager defends himself from violent criminals: The teenager is a Nazi! Fry him!
Antifa and BLM when a Trump supporter is murdered in Portland: He was a Nazi! Good!
Tgo01: These people are fascists.
FlayedAngel: Dude, dial it down. Their name literally means Anti-Fascist.

Maybe someday you'll realize you're on the wrong side of history, my dude. But it's doubtful. The brain washing seems complete and permanent.
I'm guessing you don't even realize how mental you sound, splicing together disjointed and unrelated snippets of discussion to scream God-only-knows what point at the heavens.

Tgo01

08-30-2020, 03:56 AM

Did I not just offer an assessment above?

Just because you offered an assessment doesn't mean you're being rational about it. In no rational universe is trucks driving on a road more disruptive than the things I have mentioned. None.

The act of blocking traffic is something you've described as disruptive previously

Are the trucks here in question blocking traffic? As far as I can tell they are merely driving and only stopping for traffic conditions or because left wing agitators are either standing in their way or throwing shit in front of their vehicles.

Tgo01

08-30-2020, 04:00 AM

Nobody said he was a saint, and no one cares

No no no no. You don't get to get away with this shit.

YOU in particular spread the lie here on the PC that he was breaking up a fight and got shot in the back for walking to his car. Now we have all of this information that the cops were called in the first place BECAUSE OF HIM, he was never breaking up a domestic dispute, HE WAS THE CAUSE OF THE DOMESTIC DISPUTE. Cops were trying to ARREST HIM FOR RAPE. They tried tasers, they tried physical restraint, the dude supposedly put one of the cops in a headlock.

Don't sit there and pretend all I'm saying is "HURR DURR! He was criminal and had it coming!"

Be honest, man. That's all I ask of anyone. Can you get through one posting where you at least approach being honest?

I'm guessing you don't even realize how mental you sound, splicing together disjointed and unrelated snippets of discussion to scream God-only-knows what point at the heavens.

There goes that dishonesty again.

FlayedAngel

08-30-2020, 04:36 AM

Just because you offered an assessment doesn't mean you're being rational about it. In no rational universe is trucks driving on a road more disruptive than the things I have mentioned. None.
Just because you're apparently incapable of a rational argument doesn't make my points irrational -- rational argumentation has to include some basis for consensus, in this case agreed-upon inclusions or exclusions... of which you have offered zero feedback, save for the question of whether or not the trucks are blocking traffic.

I don't agree that some of the instances you mentioned are more than tangentially related, for example, and should not count because any two idiots can get into a fight, at any time, for any given reason... proximity doesn't necessarily imply direct relation, if you're discussing a collective demonstration versus individual volition.

Here's some more footage (https://youtu.be/9FvCW_nesXs), if you want.

FlayedAngel

08-30-2020, 04:40 AM

No no no no. You don't get to get away with this shit.

YOU in particular spread the lie here on the PC that he was breaking up a fight and got shot in the back for walking to his car. Now we have all of this information that the cops were called in the first place BECAUSE OF HIM, he was never breaking up a domestic dispute, HE WAS THE CAUSE OF THE DOMESTIC DISPUTE. Cops were trying to ARREST HIM FOR RAPE. They tried tasers, they tried physical restraint, the dude supposedly put one of the cops in a headlock.

Don't sit there and pretend all I'm saying is "HURR DURR! He was criminal and had it coming!"

Be honest, man. That's all I ask of anyone. Can you get through one posting where you at least approach being honest?
Someone's triggered as fuck.

Solkern

08-30-2020, 05:06 AM

Someone's triggered as fuck.

Yup, I got my popcorn ready!

Solkern

08-30-2020, 05:10 AM

Well, the ratings for Fox seems to suggest they did pretty well. Especially since they were being cut short or not shown by most of the leftist networks compared to the cheer leading done on behalf of the DNC for weeks ahead of time and the wall to wall coverage by those same leftist networks.

Pretty sure, Trump praised CNN for their coverage of the RNC, people were complaining about Fox News coverage, and republicans watched it on CNN as it showed LESS interruption than Fox News.

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-former-campaign-manager-complains-fox-news-cut-away-rnc-2020-8

Tgo01

08-30-2020, 05:10 AM

Can you get through one posting where you at least approach being honest?

Someone's triggered as fuck.

So that's a no then.

Tgo01

08-30-2020, 07:34 AM

Just to prove what a bunch of terrorists Antifa is.

Someone was shot in Portland tonight and before any facts could be verified the media and Antifa goons started spreading rumors that it was a Trump supporter who shot a black BLM protester:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EgpfhsgUYAAzhvF?format=jpg&name=small

This enraged the impotent Antifa fascists and they started attacking people to avenge their fallen comrade.

When details started to emerge that the victim was probably a Trump and Blue Lives Matter supporter they changed their tune and celebrated the shooting.

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1299956667287703553?s=20

How much longer are y'all gonna pretend they are just "Anti-fascists"? They ARE the fascists.

The video floating around looks like straight up murder.

https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1299931947339218944?s=20

It's hard to tell but it sure looks like the dude just pulls his gun out and murders this guy.

The victim is just standing in the street when the camera pans that way and the shooter (looks like the dude in white wearing a backpack) walks from the left and stands behind him, some shouting going on (some people say the shouting is something like "We found him! Over here!" and someone saying "Right here? Right here?" but honestly I personally can't really make out what's being said), it looks like the victim then starts walking (hard to say if towards the shooter or away), then gun shots, the shooter runs out of frame on the right, the victim walks in the opposite direction for a few steps then collapses.

Parkbandit

08-30-2020, 10:49 AM

The video floating around looks like straight up murder.

https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1299931947339218944?s=20

It's hard to tell but it sure looks like the dude just pulls his gun out and murders this guy.

The victim is just standing in the street when the camera pans that way and the shooter (looks like the dude in white wearing a backpack) walks from the left and stands behind him, some shouting going on (some people say the shouting is something like "We found him! Over here!" and someone saying "Right here? Right here?" but honestly I personally can't really make out what's being said), it looks like the victim then starts walking (hard to say if towards the shooter or away), then gun shots, the shooter runs out of frame on the right, the victim walks in the opposite direction for a few steps then collapses.

You do realize that Antifa literally means "ANTI-FASCISM" right? No way they were at fault.

Also, today's Antifa members are just like our Founding Fathers.

Learn some fucking history.

Taernath

08-30-2020, 11:28 AM

Parkbandit

08-30-2020, 12:39 PM

Alashir

08-30-2020, 12:49 PM

Anyone know if the guy who got shot had a criminal history? A jaywalking conviction? Or maybe forgot to rewind some tapes back in the '90s? That'll affect my decision on whether him dying is justified or not.

It's worse. A new video of the victim apparently showed him adding milk before the cereal when he sat down for breakfast. A former roommate claimed he saw the individual pull the milk out of the fridge, drink it straight from the bottle before placing it back in.

Why did our victim harbor such animosity towards milk and his roommate? Was he a leader in clandestine anti milk organizations? What could possibly explain his lack of empathy for his roommate? Time will tell

Taernath

08-30-2020, 01:11 PM

It's worse. A new video of the victim apparently showed him adding milk before the cereal when he sat down for breakfast. A former roommate claimed he saw the individual pull the milk out of the fridge, drink it straight from the bottle before placing it back in.

Why did our victim harbor such animosity towards milk and his roommate? Was he a leader in clandestine anti milk organizations? What could possibly explain his lack of empathy for his roommate? Time will tell

What a monster.

Also here's someone who appears to be Kyle Rittenhouse trying to punch a woman:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fK1zIz3FrKs

Maybe she had smoked weed or talked back to her parents or something and had it coming, who knows.

FlayedAngel

08-30-2020, 01:37 PM

So that's a no then.
I don't know, can you get through one day without arguing like an idiot or shitposting another myopic, ill-disposed diatribe?

You do realize that Antifa literally means "ANTI-FASCISM" right? No way they were at fault.

Also, today's Antifa members are just like our Founding Fathers.

Learn some fucking history.
You're trolling yourself again, moron.

For the fourth time -- that's the point you were making in response to some dumb shit someone else was spouting off about, and has nothing to do with the application of what I actually said.

What I said was in response to and in the specific context of something else -- specifically, how loosely defined (and thus, both widely open to interpretation and easily misused) the term Antifa is, so it was inaccurate to refer to them "explicitly" as anything, which has fuck-all to do with the separate argument of what fascism is, and whether they're actual anti-fascists or just fascists claiming to be anti-fascists.

FlayedAngel

08-30-2020, 01:43 PM

Trivializing pedophilia to jaywalking or not rewinding a video tape... awesome.
https://media1.giphy.com/media/3oz8xIFq8hQcRJ47As/giphy.gif

Parkbandit

08-30-2020, 02:04 PM

https://media1.giphy.com/media/3oz8xIFq8hQcRJ47As/giphy.gif

https://media1.tenor.com/images/a20d8931819c76a308fd73f024bae0b7/tenor.gif?itemid=4630757

Parkbandit

08-30-2020, 02:11 PM

You're trolling yourself again, moron.

No, I'm trolling you for this special kind of stupidity.

The term literally just means "Antifascist"

I'm laughing because of how fucking retarded you are.. but it does remind me what an absolute joke the school system is and how people like you just fall through the cracks.

https://media.tenor.com/images/cacb32d80d0a3b9294f515a687d8417f/tenor.gif

FlayedAngel

08-30-2020, 02:20 PM

https://media1.giphy.com/media/3oz8xIFq8hQcRJ47As/giphy.gif

https://media1.tenor.com/images/a20d8931819c76a308fd73f024bae0b7/tenor.gif?itemid=4630757
Did you actually just "NOU" in response?

https://static.stereogum.com/uploads/2013/10/ryan5.gif

FlayedAngel

08-30-2020, 02:35 PM

No, I'm trolling you for this special kind of stupidity.

I'm laughing because of how fucking retarded you are.. but it does remind me what an absolute joke the school system is and how people like you just fall through the cracks.
I'm not the one whose responses consist primarily of "ur stupid" and "ur retarded, lulz" -- perhaps you shouldn't decry the school system just yet, if you're an example of the alternative.

But please, do carry on with your trolling... it just wouldn't be the PC with your comfortingly consistent brand of lowbrow vitriol.

https://media3.giphy.com/media/3o7abu6MhmCNxqUT4I/source.gif

Suppa Hobbit Mage

08-30-2020, 02:45 PM

So you don't know what a fascist is and don't want to look it up?

Like Pantyfa is for anti-fascism. HAH. That shit is RICH if you believe it.

FlayedAngel

08-30-2020, 02:50 PM

Like Pantyfa is for anti-fascism. HAH. That shit is RICH if you believe it.
"Pantyfa" is actually marginally funny, although it does conjure some... slightly different images than I imagine was intended.

Tgo01

08-30-2020, 05:14 PM

Why am I not surprised the same people who spent many posts raging about a teen defending himself from violent criminals are downplaying the shit out of a Trump supporter being gunned down in cold blood in the middle of the street?

Like seriously, maybe you all need to do some soul searching.

Suppa Hobbit Mage

08-30-2020, 07:35 PM

Taernath

08-30-2020, 08:45 PM

Tgo01

08-30-2020, 08:52 PM

https://media.giphy.com/media/HTkQXTBHzAjpS/giphy.gif

Weird, I don't recall a Trump supporter gunning down a Democrat just standing in the road and I laughed, joked about it, and downplayed it.

Reminds me of 4 years ago when those Hillary supporters were assaulting that homeless black woman because she was a Trump supporter and Democrats either flat out ignored the violence or actively defended it, now here we are 4 years later and the same people crack jokes about a man being murdered for merely standing in the road and being a Trump supporter.

This is what happens when you let darkness enter your heart, it eventually consumes it.

FlayedAngel

08-30-2020, 09:14 PM

Like seriously, maybe you all need to do some soul searching.

This is what happens when you let darkness enter your heart, it eventually consumes it.
https://i.imgur.com/58UMGhX.gif

Tgo01

08-30-2020, 09:20 PM

https://i.imgur.com/58UMGhX.gif

See what I mean? More jokes, more downplaying.

From the people who have been telling us for months that Antifa and BLM are largely peaceful as they celebrate in the streets over this murder and call for even more violence.

I get you hate Trump because CNN has told you to do so, but do you have to throw away whatever was left of your humanity too?

FlayedAngel

08-30-2020, 09:42 PM

See what I mean? More jokes, more downplaying.
https://media3.giphy.com/media/13oPvquv50JUCQ/giphy.gif

From the people who have been telling us for months that Antifa and BLM are largely peaceful as they celebrate in the streets over this murder and call for even more violence.

I get you hate Trump because CNN has told you to do so, but do you have to throw away whatever was left of your humanity too?
Yeah, I really give a shit about the moral authority of someone who has repeatedly proven themselves to be the embodiment of cognitive bias.

FlayedAngel

08-30-2020, 09:47 PM

Alashir

08-30-2020, 09:58 PM

Saw this on reddit today and made me think of tgo n cru

https://imgur.com/gallery/khNXguM

Tgo01

08-30-2020, 09:59 PM

Yeah, I really give a shit about the moral authority of someone who has repeatedly proven themselves to be the embodiment of cognitive bias.

You don't care because the echo chambers you frequent have convinced you that Trump supporters are less than human. You normally wouldn't laugh about the cold blooded murder of a person but you are probably receiving all sorts of private messages and rep from other horrible people who are cheering you on when you say horrible shit like this, just further feeding the narrative in your broken brain that it's okay when Trump supporters are assaulted or murdered.

Maybe someday you'll look back and be like "Wow...what a cold hearted monster I was."

Tgo01

08-30-2020, 10:01 PM

Saw this on reddit today and made me think of tgo n cru

https://imgur.com/gallery/khNXguM

Another horrible human being who cried for days about violent criminals and pedophiles being shot in an act of self defense but now laughs and jokes about a Trump supporter being murdered for merely existing.

Horrible human beings all around.

FlayedAngel

08-30-2020, 10:05 PM

You don't care because the echo chambers you frequent have convinced you that Trump supporters are less than human. You normally wouldn't laugh about the cold blooded murder of a person but you are probably receiving all sorts of private messages and rep from other horrible people who are cheering you on when you say horrible shit like this, just further feeding the narrative in your broken brain that it's okay when Trump supporters are assaulted or murdered.

Maybe someday you'll look back and be like "Wow...what a cold hearted monster I was."
Have I said much of anything about Trump?

You're absolutely daft, dude... and talking to no one.

Alashir

08-30-2020, 10:06 PM

Another horrible human being who cried for days about violent criminals and pedophiles being shot in an act of self defense but now laughs and jokes about a Trump supporter being murdered for merely existing.

Horrible human beings all around.

Pretty sure he walked out of the store. Don't think this guy was murdered? I'm not sure what you're talking about

Tgo01

08-30-2020, 10:12 PM

Pretty sure he walked out of the store. Don't think this guy was murdered? I'm not sure what you're talking about

I see you are studying at the feet of your master FlayedAngel quite well in the skill of being disingenuous.

Alashir

08-30-2020, 10:16 PM

I see you are studying at the feet of your master FlayedAngel quite well in the skill of being disingenuous.

Lol what are you talking about? I posted a video of some ding dong going off about his right not to wear a mask and you're talking about murder. His goofy arguments remind me of the vitriol you spew. That's it.

Wackadoodle.

Taernath

08-30-2020, 10:17 PM

a Trump supporter being murdered for merely existing.

Word on the street is that he was pepper spraying people and generally fucking around with them. He may have pepper sprayed the guys who shot him. We'll find out more in the fullness of time.

What a world you must live in though.

Alashir

08-30-2020, 10:21 PM

Word on the street is that he was pepper spraying people and generally fucking around with them. He may have pepper sprayed the guys who shot him. We'll find out more in the fullness of time.

What a world you must live in though.

What's creepy is how he bounces back and forth from his racist bullshit in politics to "buy my BS or the kittens get it!". Lol, he's so full of shit on every level.

But seriously, tgo, do you offer BS discounts to those that provide documentation of proud boys membership? What about examples of me ownin the libs? That video I posted making all the libs cry (https://imgur.com/gallery/khNXguM) that was me! Discount for that maybe?

Tgo01

08-30-2020, 10:23 PM

Word on the street is that he was pepper spraying people and generally fucking around with them. He may have pepper sprayed the guys who shot him. We'll find out more in the fullness of time.

What a world you must live in though.

Once again we have the video. The murderer enters frame to stand behind him then a few seconds later he murders him. Even if what you're saying is true you don't get to put yourself into that situation then murder someone.

What a world you must live in where you're actually trying to say the Trump supporter here had it coming because he was "fucking around with people" around him, yet think a teenager literally being assaulted and chased through the streets like some sort of wounded animal didn't have the right to defend himself.

Tgo01

08-30-2020, 10:26 PM

What's creepy is how he bounces back and forth from his racist bullshit in politics to "buy my BS or the kittens get it!". Lol, he's so full of shit on every level.

Someone is a bit obsessed with me.

Taernath

08-30-2020, 10:27 PM

What's creepy is how he bounces back and forth from his racist bullshit in politics to "buy my BS or the kittens get it!". Lol, he's so full of shit on every level.

He's not really looking for a discussion, just trying to score points for his team. Sometimes you can talk to him but when he gets in his 'your heart is full of darkness' mode it's mostly a waste to engage him. It's probably hypocritical of me to say that after my last post but whatev.

Taernath

08-30-2020, 10:40 PM

Once again we have the video. The murderer enters frame to stand behind him then a few seconds later he murders him. Even if what you're saying is true you don't get to put yourself into that situation then murder someone.

What a world you must live in where you're actually trying to say the Trump supporter here had it coming because he was "fucking around with people" around him, yet think a teenager literally being assaulted and chased through the streets like some sort of wounded animal didn't have the right to defend himself.

Just for the sake of the record, my posts have been largely sarcastic and joking since here (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?125443-Portland&p=2169700#post2169700). I thought it was obvious but maybe detecting tone through text is hard for you. I have never seriously implied that the guy shot last night deserved it, I am only attempting to highlight the irony and hypocrisy of cheering Rittenhouse on while raging against something that may be similar just with the 'sides' are reversed. Rittenhouse will get his day in court which is all I have ever wanted. I 100% hope the Patriot Prayer shooter get caught ALSO because nobody should be shooting people at these events.

Tgo01

08-30-2020, 10:46 PM

I am only attempting to highlight the irony and hypocrisy of cheering Rittenhouse on while raging against something that may be similar just with the 'sides' are reversed.

Yeah it's pretty clear what you're doing, but you're comparing apples and oranges here. We have videos of both shootings. Rittenhouse was clearly defending himself, there was even an eye witness standing just a few feet away who told police that the pedophile tried to grab the gun from Rittenhouse, I'm sure this was innocent though, surely the pedophile just wanted to clean his gun for him after chasing him across the street and through a parking lot.

Portland's shooting seems like a clear cut case of murder. The victim is standing in the street, murderer enters the frame from the left, shoots victim a few seconds later, runs away. How is that anything remotely close to Rittenhouse? Rittenhouse who I might add tried to turn himself into police minutes after he shot someone then turned himself in to police in his hometown. This murderer to my knowledge is still on the run.

Remember how everyone was having a grand ol' time referring to Rittenhouse as a fugitive even though he never was because he turned himself in willingly?

I'll also note to you what I said to Solkern; when I first posted the video of the Rittenhouse shooting it still wasn't entirely clear if he was a BLM/Antifa rioter or someone who was protecting buildings from BLM/Antifa rioters, and I STILL said the shooter was smart for defending himself with a gun. So I defended him defending himself when I still thought it was possible he was a BLM/Antifa rioter.

~Rocktar~

08-30-2020, 10:47 PM

Just for the sake of the record, my posts have been largely sarcastic and joking since here (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?125443-Portland&p=2169700#post2169700). I thought it was obvious but maybe detecting tone through text is hard for you. I have never seriously implied that the guy shot last night deserved it, I am only attempting to highlight the irony and hypocrisy of cheering Rittenhouse on while raging against something that may be similar just with the 'sides' are reversed. Rittenhouse will get his day in court which is all I have ever wanted. I 100% hope the Patriot Prayer shooter get caught ALSO because nobody should be shooting people at these events.

Not similar and the fact that you can't see that is a large part of the problem.

Neveragain

08-31-2020, 12:56 AM

Get ready for a LOT of social unrest. Pantyfa and Trump supporters are gonna start conflicting and killing each other. Saturday was just a taste. Now all the crazies are gonna come out of the woodwork and we'll see some civil unrest like we haven't seen before. That's my prediction anyway. Latrin will probably create an "On violence" thread over it. Get ready, and frankly I'm happy it's happening. Time to put some orgs in their place.

In all honesty, historically speaking, the US is due for an internal conflict.

This is all so reminiscent of 1930's Germany with the bolsheviks and the nationalists fighting it out in the streets. Economic woes, political woes, social woes, all the pieces are there.

Sadly, this could have been avoided had Democrats followed our long tradition of the peaceful transition of power and not started rioting the very first day President Trump took office.

Tgo01

08-31-2020, 01:04 AM

FlayedAngel

08-31-2020, 02:01 AM

Tgo01

08-31-2020, 02:13 AM

To paraphrase:

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/5e/d7/fa/5ed7fa3ae16e4935af870bd9bb927fbb.gif

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/000/312/563/05d.jpg

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/30/portland-protests-405201

“The chaos and the disorder and the lawlessness that we are currently seeing, that’s Donald Trump’s America,” Rep. Val Demings (D-Fla.) said on CBS’ “Face the Nation.”

At least a half-dozen Democrats appeared across the spectrum of Sunday political talk shows, where they condemned violence, pilloried the president and made clear that he was responsible for what is happening in this country.

“We are not safe in Donald Trump’s America,” Sen. Amy Klobuchar of Minnesota added on ABC’s “This Week.”

“Do you seriously wonder, Mr. President, why this is the first time in decades that America has seen this level of violence?“ Wheeler said. “It's you who have created the hate and the division.

“The deadly violence we saw overnight in Portland is unacceptable,” Biden said in a written statement. “Shooting in the streets of a great American city is unacceptable. I condemn this violence unequivocally. I condemn violence of every kind by any one, whether on the left or the right. And I challenge Donald Trump to do the same.“

Biden called for unity and, like his allies, blamed Trump for encouraging division.

“We must not become a country at war with ourselves,” Biden said in his statement. “A country that accepts the killing of fellow Americans who do not agree with you. A country that vows vengeance toward one another. But that is the America that President Trump wants us to be, the America he believes we are.“

But we all know facts are to you what sunlight is to vampires.

Neveragain

08-31-2020, 08:24 AM

The Democrat party is so fucking pathetic.

For months now the Democrats have shouted: "These are largely peaceful protests!!11!!!!!11"

Now that the polls are swinging Trump's way and people are getting tired of the daily violence and riots they are saying: "This violence is happening on Trump's watch!!1111!!"

Honestly how do you Democrats keep putting up with this shit from your so called "leaders"? It's pathetic.

Spare me any dishonesty or "NOU!" or weasel words, FlayedAngel.

Democrats are in full gas lighting mode.

Day 1 of President Trumps term:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWHs2LOQ2gU

The Democrat party has become a terrorist organization. We know the threat of further destruction is real if Democrats don't win the election. We also have known that Democrats have been threatening violence since the Iowa caucus, by their own admissions.

Parkbandit

08-31-2020, 09:01 AM

It's probably hypocritical of me to say that after my last post but whatev.

I'm glad you at least have some self awareness.

FlayedAngel

08-31-2020, 09:44 AM

But we all know facts are to you what sunlight is to vampires.
Still has nothing to do with anything I've said, dude.

And in case it wasn't clear to anyone else: the GIF wasn't a rebuttal of that post, but rather, poking fun at its tone and content.

FlayedAngel

08-31-2020, 09:47 AM

The Democrat party has become a terrorist organization. We know the threat of further destruction is real if Democrats don't win the election. We also have known that Democrats have been threatening violence since the Iowa caucus, by their own admissions.
https://thumbs.gfycat.com/HighGenuineHyrax-small.gif

~Rocktar~

08-31-2020, 09:48 AM

In all honesty, historically speaking, the US is due for an internal conflict.

This is all so reminiscent of 1930's Germany with the bolsheviks and the nationalists fighting it out in the streets. Economic woes, political woes, social woes, all the pieces are there.

Sadly, this could have been avoided had Democrats followed our long tradition of the peaceful transition of power and not started rioting the very first day President Trump took office.

They didn't wait, they went for it right after the election.

Archigeek

08-31-2020, 11:00 AM

Not Portland, but all things civil unrest seem to have migrated here. I thought this article on the Kenosha incident was good.

https://www.bullshido.net/anatomy-of-a-catastrophe/

FlayedAngel

08-31-2020, 11:23 AM

Not Portland, but all things civil unrest seem to have migrated here. I thought this article on the Kenosha incident was good.

https://www.bullshido.net/anatomy-of-a-catastrophe/
Appreciate the perspective -- have to agree, that incident contained a whole lot of stupid compacted into one unfortunate tragedy.

Parkbandit

08-31-2020, 01:47 PM

Not Portland, but all things civil unrest seem to have migrated here. I thought this article on the Kenosha incident was good.

https://www.bullshido.net/anatomy-of-a-catastrophe/

I love how the author pretends to take an unbiased view of this... but clearly is a far left leaning.

It's not unbiased at all.

Archigeek

08-31-2020, 02:54 PM

I love how the author pretends to take an unbiased view of this... but clearly is a far left leaning.

It's not unbiased at all.

What did he say that was biased? He basically condemned all parties. I'm not sure how much less bias he could have.

I'm guessing he's just not confirming your bias.

FlayedAngel

08-31-2020, 02:56 PM

I'm guessing he's just not confirming your bias.
That, in a nutshell.

Parkbandit

08-31-2020, 03:52 PM

What did he say that was biased? He basically condemned all parties. I'm not sure how much less bias he could have.

I'm guessing he's just not confirming your bias.

I'm not guessing... he's just confirming your bias.

FlayedAngel

08-31-2020, 04:05 PM

I'm not guessing... he's just confirming your bias.
In what sense? What do you feel is biased?

Parkbandit

08-31-2020, 04:17 PM

In what sense? What do you feel is biased?

Look at the number of different ways he refers to Rittenhouse and then to the other people involved. It's clear he's a left winger from the very beginning and I've never read anything from bullshido.com before.

Tgo01

08-31-2020, 04:27 PM

What did he say that was biased?

He seems to want to pin the blame for the shootings on both the teen and the violent felons.

He’s a seventeen-year-old out of shape LARPer now into the shit so deep he cannot even see his way out anymore. If he could walk and chew gum at the same time, the incident could have ended with only one fatality.

The dude is blaming the kid for falling (which from the video it sure looks like he was pushed) for why there were more fatalities and blames it in part on him being out of shape. There is so much victim blaming going on I feel like I'm watching a bunch of old white men in the 1940's explain why they blame the woman for why she got raped.

At least the dude is recognizing the teen acted in self defense (although he also tries to give his attackers the benefit of the doubt) and recognizes his attackers were all violent felons. But he tries to juxtapose his attacker's violent pasts by pointing out the teen's past which is...he's a Trump supporter who wants to be a police officer some day. Because I guess being a Trump supporter is on the same level as a child rapist.

If the dude just said everyone involved was stupid then I would agree. I'm not saying it was smart for a teen to insert himself into that situation, and certainly all of his attackers were well beyond stupid and entered violent criminal territory. But being stupid doesn't mean you deserve to have your life threatened by violent criminals and certainly doesn't mean you're in the wrong for defending yourself from said violent criminals. It's certainly not this teen's fault for being "out of shape" and "tripping and falling" for why multiple people decided to attack him with blunt objects and a firearm.

Archigeek

08-31-2020, 04:39 PM

Look at the number of different ways he refers to Rittenhouse and then to the other people involved. It's clear he's a left winger from the very beginning and I've never read anything from bullshido.com before.

He refers to the 17 year old as a kid, and facetiously as a "shining star", the police as i forget, incompetent? And the the three who got shot as convicts, fellons, and disingenuous, and reserves the most scorn for the guy who fired his gun in the air. Which ones are the liberals he's siding with? His mom? He says she does not know best. I don't agree with all of his positions, but he spares no one involved, and is probably the least hard on the kid.

Parkbandit

08-31-2020, 06:45 PM

He refers to the 17 year old as a kid, and facetiously as a "shining star", the police as i forget, incompetent? And the the three who got shot as convicts, fellons, and disingenuous, and reserves the most scorn for the guy who fired his gun in the air. Which ones are the liberals he's siding with? His mom? He says she does not know best. I don't agree with all of his positions, but he spares no one involved, and is probably the least hard on the kid.

He refers to the 17 year old in a derogatory manner throughout this piece. Some examples:

1) He is an undercooked and emotionally underdeveloped man-child
2) He has obvious incompetence
3) He can't grow a beard (he's not a real man)
4) He is baby faced and undersized (he's short)
5) He is the least competent-looking member of the gun-toting idiots
6) He is an immature wannabe
7) He is engaging in stupid LARPing
8) He has counterfeit confidence in his mastery of the situation
9) He is a silly man-child
10) He was running away with his tail between his legs (he's a coward)
11) He had illusions that he was simply playing a role in a video game
12) He's in a full panic
13) He has no control over his weapon
14) He has no real plan of action
15) He's a mediocre shot at best
16) He's scared and flees
17) He trips and falls on his stupid face
18) He's an out of shape LARPer
19) He can't walk and chew gum at the same time
20) He is terrified
21) He's a panicking moron with an AR-15
22) He's a stupid idiot

That's halfway through the piece of trash writing. It's clear that this "author" has a bias and it's also clear you didn't pick up on it because it mirrors your own and you aren't smart enough to read something and know you are being pushed to believe the situation one way.

You legitimately believe this is an unbiased accounting of events... and that is more of a knock against your reading/comprehending ability than it is the "authors".. because at least the "author" did his job.. which was to make you believe it was unbiased... and you really did. Probably still do.

Which is why you are a perfect voting Democrat.

Risen

08-31-2020, 07:07 PM

He refers to the 17 year old in a derogatory manner throughout this piece.

I took the time to read the piece, and I support the perspective that he railed on the youth using words and accusative assumptions I do not appreciate. I also hold that he railed on others as well and in the same vein if not to the same numeric quantity. I found his line that we were so busy winning the arguments that we forgot to solve the problem to be incredibly accurate and self-prophetic.

But I took most of the man-child commentary to be more targeted towards the youth's upbringing and a commentary on our collective social posture today. Not all, certainly. But enough so that I paused to ask myself:

Should any child be permitted, supported or even encouraged to do this shit?

Is this to become the right of passage for our nation - go find someone who differs in political, religious or ethical belief and murder him or her to be considered an adult?

If any of us truly answer yes to either or both of those questions, I would have to say the youth is not the problem.

Gelston

08-31-2020, 07:09 PM

Seems like everyone was calling for pedophiles to be shot and killed until a kid actually goes and does it.

Suppa Hobbit Mage

08-31-2020, 07:15 PM

Seems like everyone was calling for pedophiles to be shot and killed until a kid actually goes and does it.

I'm still down with pedophiles being shot and killed. Nothing has changed for me.

Gelston

08-31-2020, 07:25 PM

I'm still down with pedophiles being shot and killed. Nothing has changed for me.

I don't have any sympathy for the dude. He died doing what he loved though, chasing after and attacking minors.

Tgo01

08-31-2020, 07:28 PM

Seems like everyone was calling for pedophiles to be shot and killed until a kid actually goes and does it.

Yup. Suddenly a racial slur hurling, convicted pedophile is a hero because he was "marching for black rights."

Parkbandit

08-31-2020, 07:49 PM

Yup. Suddenly a racial slur hurling, convicted pedophile is a hero because he was "marching for black rights."

I haven't read anyone actually putting him up on a pedestal as a hero. Who's doing that?

Jeril

08-31-2020, 07:54 PM

I took the time to read the piece, and I support the perspective that he railed on the youth using words and accusative assumptions I do not appreciate. I also hold that he railed on others as well and in the same vein if not to the same numeric quantity. I found his line that we were so busy winning the arguments that we forgot to solve the problem to be incredibly accurate and self-prophetic.

But I took most of the man-child commentary to be more targeted towards the youth's upbringing and a commentary on our collective social posture today. Not all, certainly. But enough so that I paused to ask myself:

Should any child be permitted, supported or even encouraged to do this shit?

Is this to become the right of passage for our nation - go find someone who differs in political, religious or ethical belief and murder him or her to be considered an adult?

If any of us truly answer yes to either or both of those questions, I would have to say the youth is not the problem.

Do you honestly believe that the young man in question murdered these people and he wasn't justified in defending himself?

You talk about our collective posture and indicate you believe it is a bad thing. Which parts of it are bad in your eyes and why?

Parkbandit

08-31-2020, 07:54 PM

I took the time to read the piece, and I support the perspective that he railed on the youth using words and accusative assumptions I do not appreciate. I also hold that he railed on others as well and in the same vein if not to the same numeric quantity. I found his line that we were so busy winning the arguments that we forgot to solve the problem to be incredibly accurate and self-prophetic.

But I took most of the man-child commentary to be more targeted towards the youth's upbringing and a commentary on our collective social posture today. Not all, certainly. But enough so that I paused to ask myself:

Should any child be permitted, supported or even encouraged to do this shit?

Is this to become the right of passage for our nation - go find someone who differs in political, religious or ethical belief and murder him or her to be considered an adult?

If any of us truly answer yes to either or both of those questions, I would have to say the youth is not the problem.

https://cdn.lowgif.com/small/9a8325f50f29fc13-what-is-a-strawman-economics-job-market-rumors.gif

Tgo01

08-31-2020, 08:01 PM

I haven't read anyone actually putting him up on a pedestal as a hero. Who's doing that?

Sitting congresswoman Ayanna Pressley:

https://twitter.com/AyannaPressley/status/1298780540431224832?s=20

A 17 year old white supremacist domestic terrorist drove across state lines, armed with an AR 15.

He shot and killed 2 people who had assembled to affirm the value, dignity, and worth of Black lives.

Fix your damn headlines.

Her tweet received almost 400k likes and 113k retweets.

I was being slightly hyperbolic in saying he was being hailed as a hero, although I'm sure I could find a lot of Antifa and BLM supporters praising him as a hero.

Solkern

08-31-2020, 08:03 PM

Do you honestly believe that the young man in question murdered these people and he wasn't justified in defending himself?

You talk about our collective posture and indicate you believe it is a bad thing. Which parts of it are bad in your eyes and why?

No, I don’t think murdering or killing another person was the solution. Was he in danger? Yes, life or death? I do not think so. While yes, another person did have a gun, he never used it, nor do I think he ever had the intention to use it. If he did have intention to use it, why didn’t he? Instead he ran up trying to take the kids gun, (That’s what the police report says I believe, and if I remember correctly, looks like it in the video) instead of shooting him.
I guess that comes down to training, maturity etc. which the kid did not have, nor should he have had the gun In the first place.

He went in there trying to play hero, he killed two people. Let’s wait for the courts.

Archigeek

08-31-2020, 08:06 PM

He refers to the 17 year old in a derogatory manner throughout this piece. Some examples:

1) He is an undercooked and emotionally underdeveloped man-child
2) He has obvious incompetence
3) He can't grow a beard (he's not a real man)
4) He is baby faced and undersized (he's short)
5) He is the least competent-looking member of the gun-toting idiots
6) He is an immature wannabe
7) He is engaging in stupid LARPing
8) He has counterfeit confidence in his mastery of the situation
9) He is a silly man-child
10) He was running away with his tail between his legs (he's a coward)
11) He had illusions that he was simply playing a role in a video game
12) He's in a full panic
13) He has no control over his weapon
14) He has no real plan of action
15) He's a mediocre shot at best
16) He's scared and flees
17) He trips and falls on his stupid face
18) He's an out of shape LARPer
19) He can't walk and chew gum at the same time
20) He is terrified
21) He's a panicking moron with an AR-15
22) He's a stupid idiot

That's halfway through the piece of trash writing. It's clear that this "author" has a bias and it's also clear you didn't pick up on it because it mirrors your own and you aren't smart enough to read something and know you are being pushed to believe the situation one way.

You legitimately believe this is an unbiased accounting of events... and that is more of a knock against your reading/comprehending ability than it is the "authors".. because at least the "author" did his job.. which was to make you believe it was unbiased... and you really did. Probably still do.

Which is why you are a perfect voting Democrat.

Nice list. I can make a longer one for the douchebags who chased after this kid. Same article.

Stolis

08-31-2020, 08:32 PM

No, I don’t think murdering or killing another person was the solution. Was he in danger? Yes, life or death? I do not think so. While yes, another person did have a gun, he never used it, nor do I think he ever had the intention to use it. If he did have intention to use it, why didn’t he? Instead he ran up trying to take the kids gun, (That’s what the police report says I believe, and if I remember correctly, looks like it in the video) instead of shooting him.
I guess that comes down to training, maturity etc. which the kid did not have, nor should he have had the gun In the first place.

He went in there trying to play hero, he killed two people. Let’s wait for the courts.

The guy with the gun had his gun in hand. I gotta tell you, I don't walk around with my pistol in my hand unless I have the intent to use it. He had his gun out while running at the kid, who was running way from harm. If someone is running after you with a gun in hand, and you are running away also with a gun, who exactly is the aggressor in this situation?

Risen

08-31-2020, 08:48 PM

Do you honestly believe that the young man in question murdered these people and he wasn't justified in defending himself?

You talk about our collective posture and indicate you believe it is a bad thing. Which parts of it are bad in your eyes and why?

No. Nor did I offer any opinion of my own on the collective social posture today. I said I felt the author's views were offered as a commentary on our collective social posture today. I will admit it might be just a shade too subtle a distinction here. But I will not argue with you about what you believe your posture is. It was an intriguing attempt to deflect the problem though.

Still not sure? Let me just ask - if that were your child, even if that youth were 32 but still your boy, what would be the first thought that went through your head? If it is anything other than 'good for you, son!', then you may understand my position that the youth is not the problem here. And if it is 'good for you, son!' then you will never understand my position.

Archigeek

08-31-2020, 08:48 PM

Solkern

08-31-2020, 08:52 PM

The guy with the gun had his gun in hand. I gotta tell you, I don't walk around with my pistol in my hand unless I have the intent to use it. He had his gun out while running at the kid, who was running way from harm. If someone is running after you with a gun in hand, and you are running away also with a gun, who exactly is the aggressor in this situation?

Let me ask you, if I had you had any intention to use a gun, would you run up and Try to wrestle the other persons gun away? Or would you be shooting at him? That’s the issue with your argument. The man had every chance to shoot the kid, EVERY chance. Yet never once took a shot. The kid fell down, he was a prone target, he still didn’t take the shot. Why not?

The man had discipline, the kid did not. For all we know the guy with the gun felt threatened, and still didn’t pull the trigger.

~Rocktar~

08-31-2020, 09:02 PM

Let me ask you, if I had you had any intention to use a gun, would you run up and Try to wrestle the other persons gun away? Or would you be shooting at him? That’s the issue with your argument. The man had every chance to shoot the kid, EVERY chance. Yet never once took a shot. The kid fell down, he was a prone target, he still didn’t take the shot. Why not?

The man had discipline, the kid did not. For all we know the guy with the gun felt threatened, and still didn’t pull the trigger.

Bullshit. The man, who had been chasing the guy, approached the kid with his hands up pretending to help, then drew his weapon once very close and the kid shot him in the arm before he could raise it to fire. Gods the mental gymnastics you go through to defend this piece of shit criminal going after this kid.

Rational people who don't want conflict run the fuck away from people shooting guns and don't approach them then draw their own weapon. People attempting to help don't draw their weapon.

The discipline here was the kid not killing him which he would have been justified in doing once the guy had cleared his weapon from it's holster.

Jeril

08-31-2020, 09:04 PM

No. Nor did I offer any opinion of my own on the collective social posture today. I said I felt the author's views were offered as a commentary on our collective social posture today. I will admit it might be just a shade too subtle a distinction here. But I will not argue with you about what you believe your posture is. It was an intriguing attempt to deflect the problem though.

Still not sure? Let me just ask - if that were your child, even if that youth were 32 but still your boy, what would be the first thought that went through your head? If it is anything other than 'good for you, son!', then you may understand my position that the youth is not the problem here. And if it is 'good for you, son!' then you will never understand my position.

So, you do believe there is a problem here? If you do, what deflection was I making? I want to know what you believe the problem is. Or do you not have any firm idea of what it is?

FlayedAngel

08-31-2020, 09:08 PM

So, you do believe there is a problem here? If you do, what deflection was I making? I want to know what you believe the problem is. Or do you not have any firm idea of what it is?
It's obviously millennials, man... and their damn avocado toast.

Solkern

08-31-2020, 09:09 PM

Bullshit. The man, who had been chasing the guy, approached the kid with his hands up pretending to help, then drew his weapon once very close and the kid shot him in the arm before he could raise it to fire. Gods the mental gymnastics you go through to defend this piece of shit criminal going after this kid.

Rational people who don't want conflict run the fuck away from people shooting guns and don't approach them then draw their own weapon. People attempting to help don't draw their weapon.

The discipline here was the kid not killing him which he would have been justified in doing once the guy had cleared his weapon from it's holster.

You still didn’t answer my questions, the dude had EVERY chance to shoot him, why didn’t he? In your opinion, Why did he wait till he was literally on top of the kid to pull his gun and shoot him with a RANGED weapon? When the kid was prone, why didn’t he pull out his gun then and shoot him? If he had any intent to shoot the kid, he had MANY chances. Yet he never did it.

Your argument has so many holes, and contradictory ideas that it’s laughable.

Risen

08-31-2020, 09:19 PM

So, you do believe there is a problem here? If you do, what deflection was I making? I want to know what you believe the problem is. Or do you not have any firm idea of what it is?

I do, if by here you mean in this situation with the youth. But you will answer my question before I continue.

~Rocktar~

08-31-2020, 09:33 PM

You still didn’t answer my questions, the dude had EVERY chance to shoot him, why didn’t he? In your opinion, Why did he wait till he was literally on top of the kid to pull his gun and shoot him with a RANGED weapon? When the kid was prone, why didn’t he pull out his gun then and shoot him? If he had any intent to shoot the kid, he had MANY chances. Yet he never did it.

Your argument has so many holes, and contradictory ideas that it’s laughable.

So, you didn't watch the video then? No holes, the guy, with a criminal record and a history of committing crimes, at a riot, chases and participates in an attack on this kid. Then like many ambush predators, tries to get close without raising suspicion, then DRAWS HIS WEAPON once close in an attempt to use it, once close, and gets shot before he could draw it.

You are trying to apply rational thought (I know, hard for you but keep trying) to the actions of a criminal predator.

There is nothing contradictory when you look at things from the side of a person seeking to attack and kill another.

Jeril

08-31-2020, 09:35 PM

No. Nor did I offer any opinion of my own on the collective social posture today. I said I felt the author's views were offered as a commentary on our collective social posture today. I will admit it might be just a shade too subtle a distinction here. But I will not argue with you about what you believe your posture is. It was an intriguing attempt to deflect the problem though.

Still not sure? Let me just ask - if that were your child, even if that youth were 32 but still your boy, what would be the first thought that went through your head? If it is anything other than 'good for you, son!', then you may understand my position that the youth is not the problem here. And if it is 'good for you, son!' then you will never understand my position.

You mean this ridiculous question? My first thought would probably be relief that they are all right.

Astray

08-31-2020, 09:43 PM

Let me just ask - if that were your child, even if that youth were 32 but still your boy, what would be the first thought that went through your head? If it is anything other than 'good for you, son!', then you may understand my position that the youth is not the problem here.

"Jesus Christ, what the fuck?"

Would be my initial reaction. Then I'd be relieved that they were alive. Then mortified that they took a life. Probably panicked at the idea that they were going to jail. And finally, pissed at them for throwing their goddamn life away for a bunch of nobodies.

That'd be my reaction, knowing that a member of my family had been chased down the street by a group of men, older than they, that wanted to do genuine harm. I'd be really hard pressed to feel any sympathy for Lefty or Domed or Gutshot.

Just like now. Weird.

Solkern

08-31-2020, 09:46 PM

So, you didn't watch the video then? No holes, the guy, with a criminal record and a history of committing crimes, at a riot, chases and participates in an attack on this kid. Then like many ambush predators, tries to get close without raising suspicion, then DRAWS HIS WEAPON once close in an attempt to use it, once close, and gets shot before he could draw it.

You are trying to apply rational thought (I know, hard for you but keep trying) to the actions of a criminal predator.

There is nothing contradictory when you look at things from the side of a person seeking to attack and kill another.

sadly, you are using the predator instincts of a man with a melee weapon, or animal. Doesn't work that way when a GUN is involved and your prey is ARMED with a fucking high powered rifle. this isn't a lion and an antelope, Or a crazy ass man trying to kidnap a child by luring her/him with candy. This is a man that approached, without a weapon out, to a teenager, that had a high powered rifle out and ready to use. Predators AVOID people that are armed and can defend themselves.

People have developed something called critical thinking and assessing. Keep trying to justify that the kid is an innocent angel. Let's wait for the courts to decide. I can already see it, the courts are corrupt and conforming to the mob, if the kid is convicted.

FlayedAngel

08-31-2020, 09:59 PM

He seems to want to pin the blame for the shootings on both the teen and the violent felons.
I mean... that's what I would consider unbiased -- placing accountability on both sides, instead of just one -- but that's not an all-inclusive definition. You could argue he's a little biased in his language choices toward the kid, sure, but I'd disagree about applying the same to his conclusions. And the voice used by the author seems far more an artifact of that person's writing style than bias; it's clearly an opinion piece, not a scholarly article... and I wouldn't be quoting it for facts.

Still, I could see how it might read that way to someone viewing the kid solely as a victim -- I think he's a victim as well, but only insofar as such applies to anyone regarding their environment and the behaviors and beliefs ingrained thereby.

At least the dude is recognizing the teen acted in self defense (although he also tries to give his attackers the benefit of the doubt) and recognizes his attackers were all violent felons. But he tries to juxtapose his attacker's violent pasts by pointing out the teen's past which is...he's a Trump supporter who wants to be a police officer some day. Because I guess being a Trump supporter is on the same level as a child rapist.
The point is that there shouldn't have been a presupposition of violence on either part; the people who attacked him held a prejudicial assumption that he had the explicit intent to injure or kill protesters, and the only good justification for the kid being there at all with a loaded firearm was because he honestly believed he was defending people from violent and bloodthirsty rioters... which is a prejudicial assumption in itself. He wasn't just a "Trump supporter" for the purposes of comparison, he was a Trump supporter with a gun in the midst of a protest about violence against black people; whether you agree or not, there are Trump supporters known for violent action against minorities and protesters.

I think it's fair to say they all fucked up (based on the information we have), and this tragedy is fairly exemplary of recursive flaws on both sides that feed off of one another.

If the dude just said everyone involved was stupid then I would agree. I'm not saying it was smart for a teen to insert himself into that situation, and certainly all of his attackers were well beyond stupid and entered violent criminal territory. But being stupid doesn't mean you deserve to have your life threatened by violent criminals and certainly doesn't mean you're in the wrong for defending yourself from said violent criminals. It's certainly not this teen's fault for being "out of shape" and "tripping and falling" for why multiple people decided to attack him with blunt objects and a firearm.
I'd agree that calling him "out of shape" and shit like that was not in good taste, especially given that the author rightly called out those involved for being bullies.

FlayedAngel

08-31-2020, 10:02 PM

He refers to the 17 year old in a derogatory manner throughout this piece

That's halfway through the piece of trash writing. It's clear that this "author" has a bias and it's also clear you didn't pick up on it because it mirrors your own and you aren't smart enough to read something and know you are being pushed to believe the situation one way.

You legitimately believe this is an unbiased accounting of events... and that is more of a knock against your reading/comprehending ability than it is the "authors".. because at least the "author" did his job.. which was to make you believe it was unbiased... and you really did. Probably still do.

Which is why you are a perfect voting Democrat.
If your idea of "bias" is someone who talks about other people in a derogatory manner, then I have some very bad news for you...

Tgo01

08-31-2020, 10:14 PM

I mean... that's what I would consider unbiased -- placing accountability on both sides

Being unbiased doesn't mean you simply blame both sides. Were both sides dumb? Absolutely. Were both sides culpable for the violence and killings that took place that day? I would say from what I have read and seen on video only one side was culpable for the violence and killings.

The point is that there shouldn't have been a presupposition of violence on either part; the people who attacked him held a prejudicial assumption that he had the explicit intent to injure or kill protesters, and the only good justification for the kid being there at all with a loaded firearm was because he honestly believed he was defending people from violent and bloodthirsty rioters... which is a prejudicial assumption in itself. He wasn't just a "Trump supporter" for the purposes of comparison, he was a Trump supporter with a gun in the midst of a protest about violence against black people; whether you agree or not, there are Trump supporters known for violent action against minorities and protesters.

I have no idea what either party was thinking of the other party. But when I first saw the video I didn't presuppose violence on either party's part. From the very beginning before I even know if this teen were a Trump supporter or an Antifa douche I said they were smart to have a gun and defend themselves from this attack. Everything that came out after that just proved the people chasing him had violent pasts and at worst this kid may have gotten into a schoolyard fight a few weeks ago and was a Trump supporter and supported the police. We are being all kinds of dishonest with ourselves if we are saying their backgrounds are anything remotely comparable.

I'd agree that calling him "out of shape" and shit like that was not in good taste, especially given that the author rightly call out those involved for being bullies.

It's not so much that he called the kid out of shape, it's that he seems to blame said out-of-shapeness on why more people died that night. As if to say if only this fat fuck had done more pushups in his life then maybe more people would be alive today. The other (more sane way) of looking at this is if only dozens of people didn't chase this teen and then attack him when he was on the ground then maybe more people would be alive today. It's just another subtle way of assigning blame to others instead of people taking personal responsibility for themselves.

FlayedAngel

08-31-2020, 10:41 PM

Being unbiased doesn't mean you simply blame both sides. Were both sides dumb? Absolutely. Were both sides culpable for the violence and killings that took place that day? I would say from what I have read and seen on video only one side was culpable for the violence and killings.
You're right, being unbiased would not be simply blaming both sides -- however, I think the circumstances of this case are what make where accountability is placed an applicable measure of bias, and I disagree on the culpability being completely one-sided.

I have no idea what either party was thinking of the other party. But when I first saw the video I didn't presuppose violence on either party's part.
It wasn't about what you or I presupposed directly, I was offering conjecture on what presuppositions the parties involved might have held that could have led to this incident happening.

It's possible that those three were just a roving pack of criminal toughs looking for a scuffle, but the incident is still highly in debate (https://www.npr.org/2020/08/28/907130558/vigilante-militia-confusion-and-politics-shape-how-shooting-suspect-is-labeled).

From the very beginning before I even know if this teen were a Trump supporter or an Antifa douche I said they were smart to have a gun and defend themselves from this attack.
So you didn't presuppose violence on either part, but you assumed that he would be attacked?

I'm going to assume by "Antifa douche" you meant the violent elements, and not the general protesters.

Tgo01

08-31-2020, 10:49 PM

So you didn't presuppose violence on either part, but you assumed that he would be attacked?

I mean their background. I had no idea if anyone I was watching in the video had a history of being violent.

Risen

08-31-2020, 11:49 PM

You mean this ridiculous question? My first thought would probably be relief that they are all right.

Yes, that question. And thank you. I think I would be right there with you. In truth, I would probably be more like

"Jesus Christ, what the fuck?"

Would be my initial reaction. Then I'd be relieved that they were alive. Then mortified that they took a life. Probably panicked at the idea that they were going to jail. And finally, pissed at them for throwing their goddamn life away for a bunch of nobodies.

That'd be my reaction, knowing that a member of my family had been chased down the street by a group of men, older than they, that wanted to do genuine harm. I'd be really hard pressed to feel any sympathy for Lefty or Domed or Gutshot.

Just like now. Weird.

There are a few other swings I would go through - where did I go wrong, how can I keep my child from jail, and can I best help him (or her) recover his life.

The problem is not the youth. The problem in this one specific instance and context succinctly stated is - we have removed every single acceptable method of reasonably enabling our youth to take risks, to learn about and live life fully. Right now, with the shutdowns and the isolation and all the other challenges we face, whether we like it or not - protests are the only game in town for youth to get engaged, feel some risk and grow. Our youth and our future both are suffering from this problem.

Fix that, and we will not see this particular symptom again.

~Rocktar~

09-01-2020, 12:25 AM

sadly, you are using the predator instincts of a man with a melee weapon, or animal. Doesn't work that way when a GUN is involved and your prey is ARMED with a fucking high powered rifle. this isn't a lion and an antelope, Or a crazy ass man trying to kidnap a child by luring her/him with candy. This is a man that approached, without a weapon out, to a teenager, that had a high powered rifle out and ready to use. Predators AVOID people that are armed and can defend themselves.

Massad Ayoob disagrees with you and he knows a lot more about criminals, criminal attacks and gunfights than you ever will. Or, like time4madeupPhDs did you suddenly get a degree in criminal psychology or some shit?

People have developed something called critical thinking and assessing. Keep trying to justify that the kid is an innocent angel. Let's wait for the courts to decide. I can already see it, the courts are corrupt and conforming to the mob, if the kid is convicted.

Some people have, others vote Democrat. And while the kid is no angel, he isn't a murderer either and based on the statements and info from the prosecutor's office, he is going to get off.

Stolis

09-01-2020, 07:10 AM

Let me ask you, if I had you had any intention to use a gun, would you run up and Try to wrestle the other persons gun away? Or would you be shooting at him? That’s the issue with your argument. The man had every chance to shoot the kid, EVERY chance. Yet never once took a shot. The kid fell down, he was a prone target, he still didn’t take the shot. Why not?

The man had discipline, the kid did not. For all we know the guy with the gun felt threatened, and still didn’t pull the trigger.

The man had discipline? He was chasing after a 17yr old kid yelling things like get his ass. Yeah, massive discipline. He was a pedophile. Massive discipline, especially when it comes to children....

And no, I would not. Gun to gun, his gun is bigger than mine. You don't go fight an assault rifle face to face with a pistol.

Tgo01

09-01-2020, 07:52 AM

The press is in full blown gaslighting mode now:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eg07xwfXYAA9ynF?format=jpg&name=large

For months Trump has been telling Democrat mayors and governors to crack down on crime or he would send in the feds, the media and Democrats criticized because he was attacking "largely peaceful" protesters.

So Trump said fine, I'm here if you need federal help. Just ask! And again the media and Democrats told Trump to shove it and mind his own business.

Then the polls started to show what everyone already knew: people are getting tired of the endless violence and riots. So Biden finally decided to speak out and now the media is acting like BIDEN is the one who wants to crack down on violent crime.

Why do you Democrats keep falling for this same shit over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again?

RichardCranium

09-01-2020, 08:02 AM

The man had discipline, the kid did not. For all we know the guy with the gun felt threatened, and still didn’t pull the trigger.

You have that backwards. Kyle Rittenhouse was the one who showed discipline throughout the events that were shown on the video.

Stolis

09-01-2020, 08:26 AM

You have that backwards. Kyle Rittenhouse was the one who showed discipline throughout the events that were shown on the video.

Bingo. Didn't spray and pray everyone around. Took down the people attacking him, then called the police.

Parkbandit

09-01-2020, 08:34 AM

Nice list. I can make a longer one for the douchebags who chased after this kid. Same article.

Please do. Also, include how many times the "author" called them just "protesters" or "peaceful protesters".

I'll wait...

Parkbandit

09-01-2020, 08:37 AM

No, I don’t think murdering or killing another person was the solution. Was he in danger? Yes, life or death? I do not think so. While yes, another person did have a gun, he never used it, nor do I think he ever had the intention to use it. If he did have intention to use it, why didn’t he? Instead he ran up trying to take the kids gun, (That’s what the police report says I believe, and if I remember correctly, looks like it in the video) instead of shooting him.
I guess that comes down to training, maturity etc. which the kid did not have, nor should he have had the gun In the first place.

He went in there trying to play hero, he killed two people. Let’s wait for the courts.

Did you even see the video? You have a crowd of angry "protesters" running at you.. one with a gun.. and you "don't think" his life was at risk?

You don't think.. indeed.

Parkbandit

09-01-2020, 08:42 AM

If your idea of "bias" is someone who talks about other people in a derogatory manner, then I have some very bad news for you...

Is there anyone here that would claim I'm unbiased? Would I ever claim I am unbiased?

That is the difference.

Parkbandit

09-01-2020, 08:44 AM

You have that backwards. Kyle Rittenhouse was the one who showed discipline throughout the events that were shown on the video.

That's probably a common theme in Solkern's life.

FlayedAngel

09-01-2020, 11:04 AM

Is there anyone here that would claim I'm unbiased? Would I ever claim I am unbiased?

That is the difference.
Actually, that's a valid point.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/c3/f9/da/c3f9daafc7185ce2277729419e3c8e4d.gif

Parkbandit

09-01-2020, 12:37 PM

Actually, that's a valid point.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/c3/f9/da/c3f9daafc7185ce2277729419e3c8e4d.gif

https://media1.giphy.com/media/xT9DPxPZnDcBMX6tAk/giphy.gif

Methais

09-01-2020, 03:36 PM

All you just proved is that you disagree on what the term "fascist" means, moron.

In that case, the Proud Boys are a bunch of dudes who are just proud of themselves, most likely in regards to their beards, but also in a general sense. Right?

FlayedAngel

09-01-2020, 03:55 PM

In that case, the Proud Boys are a bunch of dudes who are just proud of themselves, most likely in regards to their beards, but also in a general sense. Right?
Proud Boys != Antifa in terms of structuring and operational parameters, not simply a difference of beliefs -- they aren't really comparable.

One is an organization, the other is a movement based around a political stance; you could argue there's a quasi-organization called "Antifa" sharing some identifiable iconography, but that's about it.

FlayedAngel

09-01-2020, 04:08 PM

But I imagine they are pretty proud of their views, given that they didn't opt to name themselves the Sad Boys.

Methais

09-01-2020, 04:18 PM

Proud Boys != Antifa in terms of structuring and operational parameters, not simply a difference of beliefs -- they aren't really comparable.

One is an organization, the other is a movement based around a political stance; you could argue there's a quasi-organization called "Antifa" sharing some identifiable iconography, but that's about it.

IT SAYS PROUD RIGHT THERE IN THE NAME WHAT MORE PROOF DO YOU NEED OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG

Today's Antifa are anything but anti-fascist. Call it a hijacked movement if you want, but today's Antifa is like 99% fascist soy boys. And whatever the name is of a retard female equivalent to a soy boy.

FlayedAngel

09-01-2020, 04:21 PM

IT SAYS PROUD RIGHT THERE IN THE NAME WHAT MORE PROOF DO YOU NEED OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG
THAT WAS CLOSER TO PB'S POINT THAN MY POINT OH DEAR GOD WHY ARE WE YELLING I SCARED THE DOG

RichardCranium

09-01-2020, 04:39 PM

In that case, the Proud Boys are a bunch of dudes who are just proud of themselves, most likely in regards to their beards, but also in a general sense. Right?

I'm not proud that I have to shave my beard for the job I'm starting next week.

I am proud that I've dropped down to 235 pounds so I won't look like I have 3 chins anymore.

Parkbandit

09-01-2020, 05:30 PM

THAT WAS CLOSER TO PB'S POINT THAN MY POINT OH DEAR GOD WHY ARE WE YELLING I SCARED THE DOG

At least you are beginning to agree that having the name that means "anti-fascist" doesn't equate to the group actually being anti-fascist.

I feel like your minuscule self awareness might finally be coming out of the closet. Good for you!

~Rocktar~

09-02-2020, 12:31 AM

I'm not proud that I have to shave my beard for the job I'm starting next week.

I am proud that I've dropped down to 235 pounds so I won't look like I have 3 chins anymore.

Sad on the beard, awesome on the job, FANTASTIC on the weight!

RichardCranium

09-02-2020, 08:39 AM

Sad on the beard, awesome on the job, FANTASTIC on the weight!

Appreciate it. I'm still on furlough since February 17th, so they found another position in a different plant that's more accommodating.

I haven't had any alcohol since last November. It's amazing how easy it is to keep weight off when you don't drink.

Tgo01

09-02-2020, 08:55 AM

I haven't had any alcohol since last November. It's amazing how easy it is to keep weight off when you don't drink.

I wonder if this would work if I started drinking then stopped.

Gelston

09-02-2020, 11:46 AM

I'm not proud that I have to shave my beard for the job I'm starting next week.

I am proud that I've dropped down to 235 pounds so I won't look like I have 3 chins anymore.

I drink bourbon with Pepsi Zero, switching from beer. I am down a bit too.

I also run and do other shit too, so that may be more of it.

RichardCranium

09-02-2020, 01:14 PM

I drink bourbon with Pepsi Zero, switching from beer. I am down a bit too.

I also run and do other shit too, so that may be more of it.

Yeah, I've been eating better and exercising. My job doesn't require physical labor so I have to supplement it with the gym. That wasn't the case years ago when I was younger.

Solkern

09-02-2020, 08:19 PM

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7lVmMNE3oXw

Rittenhouse sucker punching a girl ^

If true, what a fucking little bitch.

Ashlander

09-02-2020, 10:36 PM

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7lVmMNE3oXw

Rittenhouse sucker punching a girl ^

If true, what a fucking little bitch.

Half the comments on the page say the girl he was defending was his sister but whatever. No, I'm not watching the video either.

Tgo01

09-02-2020, 10:41 PM

Half the comments on the page say the girl he was defending was his sister but whatever. No, I'm not watching the video either.

At worst it's a schoolyard fight and these people are acting like this is some sort of proof that he's a violent and racist psychopath.

Meanwhile the people they are defending have a documented history of being actual violent psychopaths. One dude being a legit pedophile and the other dude choked his girlfriend.

Suppa Hobbit Mage

09-02-2020, 10:43 PM

I dunno. I’m in the camp of not hitting women unless your life or another’s is at risk. Still though, he got some violent offenders off the street... so cheers?

Tgo01

09-02-2020, 10:48 PM

I dunno. I’m in the camp of not hitting women unless your life or another’s is at risk. Still though, he got some violent offenders off the street... so cheers?

As per usual the video linked is edited. From what I recall Rittenhouse didn't start the fight but got involved after a girl was hit (friend, sister, who knows.)

I don't know if that's right or wrong, but people are acting like Rittenhouse just walks up to a girl and punches her in the face. Like I said it's a schoolyard fight where punches are being thrown and a group of kids is involved. Not saying that's great, but I saw shit like that in school all the fucking time and now here we have a bunch of pearl clutchers acting like this proves anything.

Taernath

09-02-2020, 11:13 PM

It suggests he has anger or impulse control issues. You don't start throwing haymakers on a girl from behind as she's fighting someone else unless someone's life is at stake, come on now. A normal person would have just separated or restrained them. Everyone there was trying to pull him off because they knew he was wrong.

Tgo01

09-02-2020, 11:35 PM

It suggests he has anger or impulse control issues.

What about being a convicted pedophile and a convicted criminal who strangled his girlfriend? If hitting a girl who attacked a friend, sister, whatever suggests "anger or impulse control issues" then I can only imagine someone who strangles his girlfriend must be like the worst people to have ever lived.

Everyone there was trying to pull him off because they knew he was wrong.

Everyone was trying to pull him off because people have a tendency to do nothing when girls start shit but as soon as a guy gets involved then all bets are off. I see videos of shit like this all the time.

Here's the classic example of that: How can she slap?!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4akMaeZ0-k

Taernath

09-02-2020, 11:42 PM

What about what about what about what about

We're talking about Rittenhouse punching a girl in the back of the head here. If you don't have a response I'll dip out and you can start posting grainy stills suggesting she had a knife or a molotov cocktail and had it coming.

Suppa Hobbit Mage

09-02-2020, 11:50 PM

Tgo, I believe you are defending a kid hitting a woman who killed a man who choked other women. Just consider that. I’m still down with him smoking some criminals, but pick your battles man.

Tgo01

09-02-2020, 11:57 PM

We're talking about Rittenhouse punching a girl in the back of the head here.

Yes and we're talking about the criminal who strangled his girlfriend and hit Rittenhouse with his skateboard while he was laying on the ground. I'm just curious if this video shows Rittenhouse has anger/impulse control issues what does this say about his much more violent attackers?

Let's see...a schoolyard fight compared to strangling your girlfriend.

If you don't have a response I'll dip out

I gave you a response, you just didn't like my response.

Tgo01

09-03-2020, 12:06 AM

Tgo, I believe you are defending a kid hitting a woman who killed a man who choked other women.

I'm not defending anything in this video, I'm just saying it looks like a typical schoolyard fight I saw at least 20 of in high school alone and I don't remember a single time people were like "Oh this is a girls only fight! No one else allowed to fight!" Only difference now is everyone and their dog has a camera on them so these videos are floating all over the internet whereas when I was in school it was all forgotten about the next day.

I am also pointing out the seemingly false narrative that Rittenhouse just started punching a girl unprovoked when the video clearly shows a girl started the fight with another girl and then others (which includes Rittenhouse) got involved.

I'm not exactly sure what is going on (who started the fight, how Rittenhouse is related to anyone involved, what the fight was about), but it seems clear as day two girls are already fighting and Rittenhouse joins in, so clearly this proves Rittenhouse is a violent racist. Like give me a break with this line of thinking.

FlayedAngel

09-03-2020, 12:10 AM

I'm not proud that I have to shave my beard for the job I'm starting next week.

I am proud that I've dropped down to 235 pounds so I won't look like I have 3 chins anymore.
Nicely done, dude... especially given the circumstances and all that.

At least you are beginning to agree that having the name that means "anti-fascist" doesn't equate to the group actually being anti-fascist.

I feel like your minuscule self awareness might finally be coming out of the closet. Good for you!
https://media1.tenor.com/images/8d83dda50e6e8045d254b614efbf21cd/tenor.gif?itemid=5276507

Tgo01

09-03-2020, 02:47 AM

Woman assaults 12-year-old boy in Boulder over Trump yard sign, police say (https://www.denverpost.com/2020/09/02/boulder-boy-assaulted-trump-sign/?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_content=tw-denverpost&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=socialflow)

Police said the boy was riding his bicycle with the Trump sign when a woman on a moped saw the sign and turned around to confront the boy.

Boulder police spokeswoman Shannon Aulabaugh said the suspect drove up to the boy and said something to the effect of “you want something to look at,” and used a closed fist to strike the boy in the back of the head and arms four to five times, and scratched him.

A grown ass Democrat woman attacked a 12 year old child from behind and hit the back of his head and arms several times and scratched him. I'm just saying if a grown Democrat woman is willing to attack a small child from behind this points towards her having some serious psychological issues and she needs to be in a mental ward for decades to ensure she's no longer a threat to society.

What's gonna be the response to this story from the left? I'm guessing either A) Not a big deal since the attacker was female and the victim male, or B) The usual: ignore it.

Oh wait, the popular argument from Democrats lately when they can't deny someone from their side was violent is to instead blame both sides. "Maybe the boy shouldn't have been riding his bike in Boulder, CO while holding a Trump sign. Clearly both are at fault."

Tgo01

09-03-2020, 08:02 AM

Oh wait, the popular argument from Democrats lately when they can't deny someone from their side was violent is to instead blame both sides. "Maybe the boy shouldn't have been riding his bike in Boulder, CO while holding a Trump sign. Clearly both are at fault."

Speaking of which. (https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/09/02/joe-biden-claims-without-evidence-portland-victim-incited-his-own-death/)

Biden:

I might add, by the way, I think what happened in Portland, where a — one of the Trump guys riding along in vans, inciting responses, shooting rubber bullets, I guess, or paintballs, apparently there was someone shot by someone in the crowd, with a bullet. Killed. I think that person should meet the legal requirements, whatever that calls for, be investigated, and it should follow through on what needs to be done. Let the judicial system work. Let’s make sure justice is done.

Yes that's right. Apparently the man murdered in cold blood by a deranged Antifa/BLM rioter is partly to blame for his own murder for "inciting responses."

How do you Democrats keep putting up with these disgusting politicians of yours?

Parkbandit

09-03-2020, 08:12 AM

I dunno. I’m in the camp of not hitting women unless your life or another’s is at risk. Still though, he got some violent offenders off the street... so cheers?

What a sexist and outdated view of the world you must have, Boomer. Women today would like to be treated like every other man and to not is nothing but institutionalized sexism.

Parkbandit

09-03-2020, 08:14 AM

Speaking of which. (https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/09/02/joe-biden-claims-without-evidence-portland-victim-incited-his-own-death/)

Biden:

Yes that's right. Apparently the man murdered in cold blood by a deranged Antifa/BLM rioter is partly to blame for his own murder for "inciting responses."

How do you Democrats keep putting up with these disgusting politicians of yours?

In Biden's defense, I'm not sure he knows what is going on around him and probably had a better response memorized but it didn't come out right.

Parkbandit

09-03-2020, 08:21 AM

https://nypost.com/2020/09/02/portland-mayor-wheeler-moving-to-avoid-rioters-targeting-building/

Parkbandit

09-03-2020, 05:21 PM

Nice list. I can make a longer one for the douchebags who chased after this kid. Same article.

How's that list coming along??

Tgo01

09-04-2020, 01:53 AM

The fucker who murdered that Trump supporter in Portland was killed by federal authorities after he pulled a gun on them when they tried to arrest him. (https://dailycaller.com/2020/09/04/michael-reinoehl-antifa-portland-aaron-danielson/)

You all noticing the pattern yet?

Deranged and violent leftists attack a Trump supporter, Trump supporter defends himself and shoots his attackers, immediately turns himself in.

Deranged and violent leftist murders a Trump supporter in cold blood, runs from the law immediately, law tracks him down, deranged and violent leftist tries to kill his arresting officers.

Candor

09-04-2020, 04:26 AM

Woman assaults 12-year-old boy in Boulder over Trump yard sign, police say (https://www.denverpost.com/2020/09/02/boulder-boy-assaulted-trump-sign/?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_content=tw-denverpost&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=socialflow)

A grown ass Democrat woman attacked a 12 year old child from behind and hit the back of his head and arms several times and scratched him. I'm just saying if a grown Democrat woman is willing to attack a small child from behind this points towards her having some serious psychological issues and she needs to be in a mental ward for decades to ensure she's no longer a threat to society.

What's gonna be the response to this story from the left? I'm guessing either A) Not a big deal since the attacker was female and the victim male, or B) The usual: ignore it.

Oh wait, the popular argument from Democrats lately when they can't deny someone from their side was violent is to instead blame both sides. "Maybe the boy shouldn't have been riding his bike in Boulder, CO while holding a Trump sign. Clearly both are at fault."

I'm trying to imagine the media reaction (especially CNN) if it had been a 25 year old woman assaulting a 12 year old boy with a Biden/Harris sign.