Portland.

[FlayedAngel]

What would be an example of this? Especially if we're considering the mayor insisting on doing nothing at all, unless something changed recently.
Our mayor has waffled over this more than Belgium; first, he was "outraged and appalled" about property damage at the beginning, then he was "outraged and appalled" about the fed's overreaching and continuation of violence, so... who knows?

It's not unfair to say that he hasn't done shit, really.

[FlayedAngel]

So never? Much like FlayedAngel you just say words without backing up what you say.
Your arguments operate with an easily observable repetition of flaws, and this has been pointed out numerous times.

I've backed up plenty of what I say with rational thought and a modicum of reason, and when you make reasonable arguments against my points, I consider them -- you're the one who commits logical fallacide on the reg, makes grossly specious assertions, habitually embraces the very infractions you accuse other people of (or merely parrots what criticisms they've lobbied at you), and then peddles in circles or deflects when actually called on your bullshit... I don't care if you agree with me or not, but I sure hope no one's stupid enough to fall for these obvious gaslighting tactics.

You could make good arguments, you're not stupid... but you seem compulsively driven to undermine your own points with bullshit.

[Parkbandit]

I bet you couldn’t find a a single tg01 post regarding this. He’s called the entire protest a democrat antifa movement or whatever that is against Trump.

Instead of saying what you claim he said.. why not post an actual quote of him calling "the entire protest a democrat antifa movement".

Tgo01 has 200+ posts in this very thread.. shouldn't be difficult finding multiple posts of such.

[Parkbandit]

I'd suggest something in between 'do nothing' and 'send in federal troops to crush protesters'.

It's the job of the federal government to protect federal courts.

Here's an idea.. if you don't want the big meanie federals coming in and ruining your fun.. don't try to burn down a federal courthouse?

My opinion on this has been clear: Let the retards who voted in these retards do retarded things and let the city burn to the ground. There will be no federal money coming to the rescue, there will be no federal anything. These voters need to realize that elections have consequences.

If you want to live in a city with high crime, high taxes and high piles of garbage then keep electing liberals into power.

But don't cry when you get what you voted in.

[Tgo01]

Your arguments operate with an easily observable repetition of flaws, and this has been pointed out numerous times.

I've backed up plenty of what I say with rational thought and a modicum of reason, and when you make reasonable arguments against my points, I consider them -- you're the one who commits logical fallacide on the reg, makes grossly specious assertions, habitually embraces the very infractions you accuse other people of (or merely parrots what criticisms they've lobbied at you), and then peddles in circles or deflects when actually called on your bullshit... I don't care if you agree with me or not, but I sure hope no one's stupid enough to fall for these obvious gaslighting tactics.

You could make good arguments, you're not stupid... but you seem compulsively driven to undermine your own points with bullshit.

So no quotes of me to share where I referred to all protesters as violent rioters?

Pretty telling what's going on here.

[Tgo01]

Instead of saying what you claim he said.. why not post an actual quote of him calling "the entire protest a democrat antifa movement".

Tgo01 has 200+ posts in this very thread.. shouldn't be difficult finding multiple posts of such.

I think I said something like the protests going on in Portland are mostly Antifa goons that don't really care about BLM, I don't recall saying "the entire protest a democrat antifa movement" so I'm curious if Solkern can find a quote of me saying this as well.

[FlayedAngel]

So no quotes of me to share where I referred to all protesters as violent rioters?

Pretty telling what's going on here.
Yeah, it is... once again, you're soft-pedaling on what you've heavily implied numerous times by claiming you've never explicitly stated it, which is an absolute cop-out.

[Tgo01]

Yeah, it is... once again, you're soft-pedaling on what you've heavily implied numerous times by claiming you've never explicitly stated it, which is an absolute cop-out.

k

[Parkbandit]

Yeah, it is... once again, you're soft-pedaling on what you've heavily implied numerous times by claiming you've never explicitly stated it, which is an absolute cop-out.

Saying he implied anything and not providing an actual quote is the absolute cop-out.

Post a quote and shut him up.

[drauz]

Black officer in Portland explains how the city police have been dealing with violent "protesters" for weeks now, how he and other black officers have racial slurs hurled their way by the "protesters" and how white officers are called racist.


and I know for a fact that big portion of the "protesters" are Antifa. I doubt many of them are actual BLM protesters anymore to be honest, it's just Antifa latching onto that movement to use as a shield to riot.

I stopped looking after a couple pages.

[FlayedAngel]

Saying he implied anything and not providing an actual quote is the absolute cop-out.

Post a quote and shut him up.
Stop being an idiot, I just explained this.

He's soft-pedaling by falling back on the fact that he's repeatedly used implicit connections to make his point, rather than explicitly stating it... this is not an uncommon tactic.

[Solkern]

Stop being an idiot, I just explained this.

I'm not sure that is possible for PB.

He's permanently jet-lagged that's why he's always an idiot... forgive him.

[Tgo01]

I stopped looking after a couple pages.

The first quote was me needling people like Bhaalizmo who keep saying it's all peaceful protesters over in Portland. He even said they were all peaceful for several days after the feds left and then even the most useless mayor to have ever existed came out and called people out for rioting. By no means was I saying all protesters were violent. As per usual I called out the violent people and mocked the people like Nancy Pelosi who keep defending the violent ones by calling them peaceful protesters.

As far as the second quote yes, I do think a big portion of the "peaceful protesters" are Antifa who don't give a shit about BLM, that's far from me saying "the entire protest a democrat antifa movement."

[drauz]

As far as the second quote yes, I do think a big portion of the "peaceful protesters" are Antifa who don't give a shit about BLM, that's far from me saying "the entire protest a democrat antifa movement."

Except that's not what you said, you said "I don't think there are BLM protesters and I think they are all antifa".

I'm not here to argue semantics with you. Thats how your quote reads.

[Tgo01]

you said "I don't think there are BLM protesters and I think they are all antifa".

You just quoted me saying:


I doubt many of them are actual BLM protesters anymore to be honest

Why lie?

[drauz]

You just quoted me saying:



Why lie?

https://media1.giphy.com/media/xKITdwlPA1Eyc/200.gif

[Candor]

Given what has been going on in Seattle, Portland, and apparently now Chicago (I'm a bit behind on the news), what is going to happen when Trump wins reelection? I know that some of you think this is impossible, but humor me a moment. What will happen if Trump does win?

Let's face reality - some of the resulting protests will not be peaceful. I'm just wondering how bad it will get, and what will be needed to stop the violence.

[Fleur-de-me]

Given what has been going on in Seattle, Portland, and apparently now Chicago (I'm a bit behind on the news), what is going to happen when Trump wins reelection? I know that some of you think this is impossible, but humor me a moment. What will happen if Trump does win?

Let's face reality - some of the resulting protests will not be peaceful. I'm just wondering how bad it will get, and what will be needed to stop the violence.

I predict a flood of biblical proportions, brought on by a torrential downpour of liberal tears.

[Methais]

https://media1.giphy.com/media/xKITdwlPA1Eyc/200.gif

What kind of non-response is that though when he just posted the quote you quoted that doesn't say what you say it said?

Reported to HarmNone.

[FlayedAngel]

I predict a flood of biblical proportions, brought on by a torrential downpour of liberal tears.
https://media0.giphy.com/media/853jNve3ljqrYrcSOK/200.gif

[Parkbandit]

Stop being an idiot, I just explained this.

He's soft-pedaling by falling back on the fact that he's repeatedly used implicit connections to make his point, rather than explicitly stating it... this is not an uncommon tactic.

Sounds like you got called out for putting words in his mouth and are now saying that he didn't explicitly say that.. BUT I CAN READ MINDS AND I KNOW WHAT HE MEANT TO SAY!

It's no different from you implying that every single protester was doing so peacefully. Oh wait... you didn't say it, but that's how I took your constant defense of the rioters.

There's no difference.. just your inability to see things from another angle.

[Fleur-de-me]

FlayedAngel your Meme game is on point.

[Solkern]

But these people in Portland don't care about George Floyd. You don't fight for change by blinding officers and injuring them. Those are the actions of a violent mob, not a group of people seeking change.

tg01 calling the protesters a violent mob


You're mocking me for "seeing Antifa everywhere". I see Antifa where they are. Buildings aren't burning themselves down.

tgo01 calling the protestors, antifa, and seeing antifa everywhere.

[FlayedAngel]

Sounds like you got called out for putting words in his mouth and are now saying that he didn't explicitly say that.. BUT I CAN READ MINDS AND I KNOW WHAT HE MEANT TO SAY!

It's no different from you implying that every single protester was doing so peacefully. Oh wait... you didn't say it, but that's how I took your constant defense of the rioters.

There's no difference.. just your inability to see things from another angle.
Sorry your reading comprehension sucks ass then, because I explained the difference multiple times and in detail.

[Methais]

tg01 calling the protesters a violent mob



tgo01 calling the protestors, antifa, and seeing antifa everywhere.

Which part of either post you quoted mentions protesters? Are the actions he described in either quote the actions of peaceful protesters?

[Solkern]

Which part of either post you quoted mentions protesters? Are the actions he described in either quote the actions of peaceful protesters?

pretty sure, "a group of people seeking change." would be protesters, would it not? if not, what else could it be referring to?

[Tgo01]

tg01 calling the protesters a violent mob

Nope, that's Tgo01 calling the people blinding officers and injuring them a violent mob, because that's what violent mobs do.


tgo01 calling the protestors, antifa, and seeing antifa everywhere.

Once again nope. I never said I see Antifa everywhere, I said that's what people accuse me of seeing. That's, like, right there in what you quoted. I also said I see them where they are, they are the ones burning buildings in Portland.

My post couldn't have been more clear if I used stick figures to use as an illustration.

So far you guys are what, 0/5? I lost track.


pretty sure, "a group of people seeking change." would be protesters, would it not? if not, what else could it be referring to?

That's why I'm saying those particular people (the ones blinding officers and injuring officers) are NOT protesters, because they are engaging in violent actions. This is why online learning for children is going to be tough, even grown adults don't get it.

[Methais]

pretty sure, "a group of people seeking change." would be protesters, would it not? if not, what else could it be referring to?

Blinding and injuring cops are the actions of peaceful protesters?

You seem to be trying way too hard at this semantics gotcha game.

[Parkbandit]

Sorry your reading comprehension sucks ass then, because I explained the difference multiple times and in detail.

Sure.

It's everyone but you.

https://i.imgflip.com/21gr1.gif

[FlayedAngel]

Sure.

It's everyone but you.

https://i.imgflip.com/21gr1.gif
No, it's mostly just you.

[Tgo01]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EfLwKL1XsAI7AXo?format=jpg&name=small

[Parkbandit]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EfLwKL1XsAI7AXo?format=jpg&name=small

lol..

At least he wasn't 100% sure...

Anyone with a big D on the name, you know Shaun "I Identify as Black" King would vote for.

[~Rocktar~]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EfLwKL1XsAI7AXo?format=jpg&name=small

LOL Talcum X selling out, nothing new to see here.

Maybe he really *IS* Black?

[Stolis]

We have a saying in the South for comments like that. Bless his heart.

[Methais]

We have a saying on the internet for comments like that. Bless his shart.

Fixed.

[FlayedAngel]

Spotted:

https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/p526x296/117820340_10106788087849335_6718940517289718288_n. jpg?_nc_cat=108&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=Eg2s-9rOfS4AX9Xk2mO&_nc_ht=scontent-sea1-1.xx&_nc_tp=6&oh=7e3c955093126dc925bcd14ff4eefa62&oe=5F5D624F

[Methais]

pretty sure, "a group of people seeking change." would be protesters, would it not? if not, what else could it be referring to?

No, that's not how this works.

You're great at deciding what things mean on the fly and then twisting it around to stuff words into other peoples' mouths though. Well actually not really, you're kinda bad at it and you should stop doing it.

Let's play this semantics bullshit anyway though. Because according to your own logic that I just quoted, protesting is literally the only way for anyone to seek change. Right?

[~Rocktar~]

An excellent speech by a Democrat.


https://youtu.be/F_WS3hJ3Iyo

[Tgo01]

An excellent speech by a Democrat.


https://youtu.be/F_WS3hJ3Iyo

I kept waiting for a 20 year old pasty faced white dude to stand up and shout at this black white supremacist, "The protests are largely peaceful, you Nazi!"

[Methais]

An excellent speech by a Democrat.


https://youtu.be/F_WS3hJ3Iyo

https://media.tenor.com/images/2307ac0f1abbd34624b6c7e4d7b1fc84/tenor.gif


I kept waiting for a 20 year old pasty faced white dude to stand up and shout at this black white supremacist, "The protests are largely peaceful, you Nazi!"

I'm sure time4fun is literally shaking right now.

[Tgo01]

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1294523556454268929?s=20

Riots still going on in Portland.

So weird. We were assured by the media and the morons in this very thread that the riots stopped as soon as the feds left. Almost as if you're all being lied to and are a bunch of sheep. Bah bah, motherfuckers.

[Parkbandit]

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1294523556454268929?s=20

Riots still going on in Portland.

So weird. We were assured by the media and the morons in this very thread that the riots stopped as soon as the feds left. Almost as if you're all being lied to and are a bunch of sheep. Bah bah, motherfuckers.

So the Federals came back in and forced Antifa to start these peaceful protests... that's the only reasonable answer...

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Just let it burn.

[FlayedAngel]

Exactly what part of "local law enforcement" was difficult for you to comprehend?

[Tgo01]

Exactly what part of "local law enforcement" was difficult for you to comprehend?

Just so we're clear the riots were never the fault of the feds and that's just an excuse the left used to make Trump look bad?

[FlayedAngel]

Just so we're clear the riots were never the fault of the feds and that's just an excuse the left used to make Trump look bad?
No, stop being a dipshit.

[Tgo01]

No, stop being a dipshit.

Uh-oh, FlayedAngel backed into a corner again and doesn't like it.

[FlayedAngel]

Uh-oh, FlayedAngel backed into a corner again and doesn't like it.
Please, do explain to me how I'm backed into a corner.

[Tgo01]

Please, do explain to me how I'm backed into a corner.

Either the feds were the cause of the riots or Democrats/media lied about the feds being the cause of the riots.

Unless we are now saying the riots are due to the lingering effects of the feds' presence.

[Solkern]

Either the feds were the cause of the riots or Democrats/media lied about the feds being the cause of the riots.

Unless we are now saying the riots are due to the lingering effects of the feds' presence.

Protests erupted in Belarus, they turned to riots after the police were arresting and beating people, those arrest have all but stopped, but the riots haven’t. You act like it’s an on and off switch.

[Tgo01]

Protests erupted in Belarus, they turned to riots after the police were arresting and beating people, those arrest have all but stopped, but the riots haven’t. You act like it’s an on and off switch.

I think you're confused, the Democrats and media are the ones claiming it was an on/off switch where everything was largely peaceful before the feds arrived, turned violent after feds arrived, and went back to peaceful after feds left.

Do you even politic, bro?

[FlayedAngel]

I think you're confused, the Democrats and media are the ones claiming it was an on/off switch where everything was largely peaceful before the feds arrived, turned violent after feds arrived, and went back to peaceful after feds left.

Do you even politic, bro?
I sure as shit didn't say that, and that's a hugely inaccurate note to pin on all Democrats and media.

Did you somehow miss all the articles about local law enforcement escalating before the feds even came in?

[Tgo01]

I sure as shit didn't say that, and that's a hugely inaccurate note to pin on all Democrats and media.

So were the Democrats and the media who did push that narrative full of shit?

[Solkern]

So were the Democrats and the media who did push that narrative full of shit?

From what I read, the protest were dying down and real riots started when the feds showed up. They aren’t going to stop right when they leave, it has lingering effects that could last for who knows how long.

[Tgo01]

They aren’t going to stop right when they leave

Except that's exactly how the media portrayed it:

Photos: Violence Subsides After Feds Exit Portland Protests (https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemimamcevoy/2020/08/03/photos-violence-subsides-after-feds-exit-portland-protests/#6926f1d7e8bc)
Trump ordered federal forces to quell Portland protests. But the chaos ended as soon as they left. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/07/31/portland-protests-federal-calm/)
The group of protesters Thursday night near and at the federal courthouse were largely calm and non-violent after federal officers withdrew from the building. (https://katu.com/news/local/protesters-seeing-change-on-portland-streets-after-feds-leave)

[Tgo01]

https://twitter.com/AlphaNewsMN/status/1294736792856535040?s=20

The largely peaceful protests are spreading.

Watch as a bunch of BLM peaceful protesters protest outside the house police union leader in a town in Minnesota, accusing him of being in the KKK and yelling and cursing at his neighbors, including small children.

Just brush this aside like you Democrats usually do. Turn them blinders on! See no evil!

[Solkern]

Except that's exactly how the media portrayed it:

Photos: Violence Subsides After Feds Exit Portland Protests (https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemimamcevoy/2020/08/03/photos-violence-subsides-after-feds-exit-portland-protests/#6926f1d7e8bc)
Trump ordered federal forces to quell Portland protests. But the chaos ended as soon as they left. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/07/31/portland-protests-federal-calm/)
The group of protesters Thursday night near and at the federal courthouse were largely calm and non-violent after federal officers withdrew from the building. (https://katu.com/news/local/protesters-seeing-change-on-portland-streets-after-feds-leave)

Following the retreat of Trump-ordered federal agents late last week, protests in downtown Portland, Oregon, remained largely peaceful over the weekend—a stark contrast to the past month’s tear gas and firework-filled nightly clashes.

The group of protesters Thursday night near and at the federal courthouse were largely calm and non-violent after federal officers withdrew from the building.

Two of the articles I read never said anything like that. They stated things calmed down, but the never said the riots ended.
You should probably read the articles before you post them.

[Tgo01]

Following the retreat of Trump-ordered federal agents late last week, protests in downtown Portland, Oregon, remained largely peaceful over the weekend—a stark contrast to the past month’s tear gas and firework-filled nightly clashes.

The group of protesters Thursday night near and at the federal courthouse were largely calm and non-violent after federal officers withdrew from the building.

Two of the articles I read never said anything like that. They stated things calmed down, but the never said the riots ended.
You should probably read the articles before you post them.

If you're trying to sit here with a straight face and tell me those fucking articles aren't suggesting the violence was due to the presence of the feds then you're wasting your time because you're so wrong it's not even funny. Like sometimes you're wrong and it's funny wrong, but you're just sad wrong. Stop being sad wrong. And this is 3 I believe so see you tomorrow, at least TRY to make sense tomorrow.

[Solkern]

If you're trying to sit here with a straight face and tell me those fucking articles aren't suggesting the violence was due to the presence of the feds then you're wasting your time because you're so wrong it's not even funny. Like sometimes you're wrong and it's funny wrong, but you're just sad wrong. Stop being sad wrong. And this is 3 I believe so see you tomorrow, at least TRY to make sense tomorrow.

What the fuck are you even talking about? I said the riots didn’t end right when the feds left. Fucking idiot. You claimed those articles stated they fully stopped, as soon as the feds left, when they never did.

Glad you won’t respond. I won’t need to correct any more of your stupid posts.

You truly are a special kind of stupid. Just making shit up as you go.


Edited: please show me anywhere, where I said these these riots didn’t start when the feds came. You claim people make shit up about what you said. You do the same shit, but all the time.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

You are both terrible at debate. I wish you'd both shut the fuck up.

[Tgo01]

You are both terrible at debate. I wish you'd both shut the fuck up.

NOU.

[~Rocktar~]

You are both terrible at debate. I wish you'd both shut the fuck up.

It's almost like watching a slap fight among yuppie chicks.

[Tgo01]

It's almost like watching a slap fight among yuppie chicks.

So I have a good job and an awesome life? I'll own this!

[Solkern]

You are both terrible at debate. I wish you'd both shut the fuck up.

There was a debate?
Oh you mean
me: the real riots started when the feds came, and there are lingering riots after the feds left. It’s not an on/off switch
Tgo: the media said the riots ended right when the feds left!!! links articles.
Me: those articles show that the riots did not end.
Tgo: if you can’t see that those articles show that the riots were because the feds came you are dumb!
Me: huh? What the fuck are you talking about? That has NOTHING to do with what you and I were talking about.

You call that a debate?
I wish Tgo had basic reading comprehension and a basic structural thought process, sadly we don’t always get what we want.

[FlayedAngel]

After throwing homemade pipe bombs into crowds, going after protesters with mace and pellet guns, and generally being huge fuckin' assholes... the alt-right/Proud Boys crew have now graduated to actual bullets, apparently.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EffWFcvVAAA0YvR?format=jpg&name=900x900

https://twitter.com/MacSmiff/status/1294738814963859456



Far-right protesters marched downtown Saturday afternoon in dissent of the protests against police brutality and systemic racism which have been happening nightly in Portland for 80 nights. Portland police said at least one person was injured after being hit with a paintball fired from a paintball gun.

Journalists on the scene also reported that shots were fired and at least one casing was recovered.

https://www.kgw.com/article/news/local/reports-of-shots-fired-by-far-right-counter-protesters/283-114154ca-bf83-456f-93e1-02308b5edfb8

[Tgo01]

After throwing homemade pipe bombs into crowds, going after protesters with mace and pellet guns, and generally being huge fuckin' assholes... the alt-right/Proud Boys crew have now graduated to actual bullets, apparently.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EffWFcvVAAA0YvR?format=jpg&name=900x900

https://twitter.com/MacSmiff/status/1294738814963859456



https://www.kgw.com/article/news/local/reports-of-shots-fired-by-far-right-counter-protesters

The protests are largely peaceful.

[Ashlander]

After throwing homemade pipe bombs into crowds, going after protesters with mace and pellet guns, and generally being huge fuckin' assholes... the alt-right/Proud Boys crew have now graduated to actual bullets, apparently.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EffWFcvVAAA0YvR?format=jpg&name=900x900

https://twitter.com/MacSmiff/status/1294738814963859456



https://www.kgw.com/article/news/local/reports-of-shots-fired-by-far-right-counter-protesters

Story is gone from the news source so I'm guessing something was bogus with it.

[FlayedAngel]

Story is gone from the news source so I'm guessing something was bogus with it.
No, the link was just bad -- fixed it.

https://www.kgw.com/article/news/local/reports-of-shots-fired-by-far-right-counter-protesters/283-114154ca-bf83-456f-93e1-02308b5edfb8

[Gelston]

I’d say bullets are a step down from pipebombs.

[~Rocktar~]

Because no Leftist protester in or around Portland ever would use a gun, pipe bomb, other explosives, weapons, shields and so on amirite?

[Tgo01]

No, the link was just bad -- fixed it.

https://www.kgw.com/article/news/local/reports-of-shots-fired-by-far-right-counter-protesters/283-114154ca-bf83-456f-93e1-02308b5edfb8

Interesting to note that this is all according to the "counter protesters" who I'm sure showed up to serve the Proud Boys some punch and pie.

The police don't even recognize a gun was fired, they just said someone "allegedly" fired a gun. The "counter protesters" claim they were shot at and for proof they have a picture of a bullet casing, because in a large city like Portland it totally makes sense that someone just happened to find the bullet casing while walking around.

Also no explosions were reported, just an apparently inert pipe bomb that a "counter protester" took a picture of.

Even so it's still a largely peaceful event. Even if we were to assume one person fired a gun and a completely different person threw the pipe bomb that didn't explode, the article states 30 people showed up that means it was 94% peaceful. Not too shabby.

[Tgo01]

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1295235403847368704?s=20

The largely peaceful protesters in Portland dragged a guy out of his car after he crashed it, beat him until he was unconscious, then proceeded the rob the man and steal stuff out of his vehicle while his passenger looks on and cries.

Keep downplaying this shit.

Honestly, FlayedAngel, how can you look at those 3 videos and say parts of Portland aren't under siege? No police in sight as a man is dragged out of his vehicle and beaten, a bunch of thugs wearing vests reading "security" kicking a man in the face as he sits on the ground because a mob of about 20 people surrounded him and threatened his life if he didn't sit on the ground.

Where the fuck is everyone's humanity in this video?

[FlayedAngel]

Because no Leftist protester in or around Portland ever would use a gun, pipe bomb, other explosives, weapons, shields and so on amirite?
Not to fucking shoot people, no... I would label those people as psychopaths, not Leftists.



Interesting to note that this is all according to the "counter protesters" who I'm sure showed up to serve the Proud Boys some punch and pie.

The police don't even recognize a gun was fired, they just said someone "allegedly" fired a gun. The "counter protesters" claim they were shot at and for proof they have a picture of a bullet casing, because in a large city like Portland it totally makes sense that someone just happened to find the bullet casing while walking around.

Also no explosions were reported, just an apparently inert pipe bomb that a "counter protester" took a picture of.
A gun was definitely fired, there's a clip of it out there and a few friends that were in the area confirmed it -- from what I've heard, the casing was retrieved after the incident. And no, you don't just "find bullet casings" in downtown Portland, and that definitely wasn't the first (or only) pipe bomb.

When violent white nationalists show up to cause trouble, you come prepared to fight... because you can be damn sure that's why they're there, especially given their history of assault and worse. Their whole methodology is to undermine the legitimate protesters by acting as agent provocateurs through causing or inciting violence, and if you're actually defending these shitheads, then newsflash -- you can go fuck yourself.

Maybe stop huffing Andy Ngo's farts for five minutes and check out some more diverse news sources, because 90% of what you've posted has been shit from a person who has a history of sensationalism and biased opinions on these matters.



Even so it's still a largely peaceful event. Even if we were to assume one person fired a gun and a completely different person threw the pipe bomb that didn't explode, the article states 30 people showed up that means it was 94% peaceful. Not too shabby.
So which is it? You've thrown around the phrase "largely peaceful protests" mockingly at least dozen times now -- you've continually hyped the violence when it benefited your narrative, and now you're downplaying it when it conflicts the same narrative, so... are you really blind to the hypocrisy in that? Or were you sincerely changing your tune?

[FlayedAngel]

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1295235403847368704?s=20

The largely peaceful protesters in Portland dragged a guy out of his car after he crashed it, beat him until he was unconscious, then proceeded the rob the man and steal stuff out of his vehicle while his passenger looks on and cries.

Keep downplaying this shit.

Honestly, FlayedAngel, how can you look at those 3 videos and say parts of Portland aren't under siege? No police in sight as a man is dragged out of his vehicle and beaten, a bunch of thugs wearing vests reading "security" kicking a man in the face as he sits on the ground because a mob of about 20 people surrounded him and threatened his life if he didn't sit on the ground.

Where the fuck is everyone's humanity in this video?
As near as I can tell, this is the same asshole who tried to run people over with the very vehicle he got dragged out of... which may explain why the crowd is so agitated against him.

I don't want to presume culpability either way without more information, but seems he got his ass kicked for a reason -- I don't condone that kind of mob retaliation and I do hope he pulls through, but I'm not going to lose any sleep over it if it was someone attempting vehicular assault.

[Tgo01]

So which is it? You've thrown around the phrase "largely peaceful protests" mockingly at least dozen times now -- you've continually hyped the violence when it benefited your narrative, and now you're downplaying it when it conflicts the same narrative, so... are you really blind to the hypocrisy in that? Or were you sincerely changing your tune?

This is like the ultimate whoosh.

[Tgo01]

As near as I can tell, this is the same asshole who tried to run people over with the very vehicle he got dragged out of... which may explain why the crowd is so agitated against him.

I don't want to presume culpability either way without more information, but seems he got his ass kicked for a reason -- I don't condone that kind of mob retaliation and I do hope he pulls through, but I'm not going to lose any sleep over it if it was someone attempting vehicular assault.

How easily manipulated you are. Just scream "he tried to run us over!" and suddenly everyone is justified in beating this guy and robbing him as he sits on the ground.

Proud Boys showing up for a march? It's perfectly justified for "counter protesters" to show up armed with weapons and engage in fights with them. They're white nationalists after all!!! According to the very biased SPLC that is.

Video and photo evidence of Antifa engaging in violence on a near nightly basis? Yeah but that evidence is posted on Andy Ngo's Twitter, everyone knows he's an Asian white supremacist.

Proud Boys were throwing pipe bombs and shooting at people! Here's the evidence! Photos from the "counter protesters" of the unexploded pipe bombs and a shell casing! That's all the proof you need!

Maybe it's time you stop being so easily manipulated. I've tried to slow walk you to this realization but it's apparently not working.

[Tgo01]

https://twitter.com/livesmattershow/status/1295256399383916544?s=20

Well isn't this an interesting turn of events?

Turns out the "largely peaceful" group of people were literally beating a woman on this man's truck which prompted him to intervene, so the mob then turned on the man and started to attack his vehicle and threaten his life, prompting him to get the fuck out of there. The crazy motherfuckers then started to chase after him and attempted to block his escape, which is apparently what caused him to crash.

So to recap for the slow ones in the room:

Antifa didn't like someone so they "escorted" him from the "protest" area.
A trans woman didn't like their aggressive actions so she spoke out.
Antifa then stole the trans woman's backpack and skateboard then proceeded to beat her.
The guy in this truck and the woman he was with stopped to intervene.
The rioters literally beat the woman on the man's truck.
Man tells them to stop.
Rioters then attacked his truck and threatened his life, prompting man to drive away.
Rioters continue to try and block his path and chase after him, causing him to crash.
Rioters then pull him out of his car, beat him unconscious and rob him and his truck while his friend cries as it all unfolds.
Rioters scream "You tried to run over us!!!!" to justify their actions.
FlayedAngel swallowed the rioters' narrative like it was love juice from Jesus' cock himself without bothering to look into it further himself before he defended the actions of the rioters and condemned the man who was intervening on behalf of a trans woman being robbed.
FlayedAngel then unironically told me to I was getting my news from a biased source, even though I have never relied on Andy Ngo's words themselves and instead always let the videos and photos he uploads do all the talking. Andy Ngo just seems to be the best source I have seen to find all of these videos and photos in one location.

I can't wait to see FlayedAngel's next post where he defends violent rioting fucks beating multiple people in the middle of the street all the while claiming Portland is the best and safest city to live in.

What tactic will he go with this time? Maybe I made a grammatical error somewhere so he'll latch onto that to deflect away from the out-in-the-open violence occurring in his city on a nightly basis.

[FlayedAngel]

This is like the ultimate whoosh.
It's really not... you're delusional, thanks for continuing to demonstrate that.



How easily manipulated you are. Just scream "he tried to run us over!" and suddenly everyone is justified in beating this guy and robbing him as he sits on the ground.

Proud Boys showing up for a march? It's perfectly justified for "counter protesters" to show up armed with weapons and engage in fights with them. They're white nationalists after all!!! According to the very biased SPLC that is.

Video and photo evidence of Antifa engaging in violence on a near nightly basis? Yeah but that evidence is posted on Andy Ngo's Twitter, everyone knows he's an Asian white supremacist.

Proud Boys were throwing pipe bombs and shooting at people! Here's the evidence! Photos from the "counter protesters" of the unexploded pipe bombs and a shell casing! That's all the proof you need!

Maybe it's time you stop being so easily manipulated. I've tried to slow walk you to this realization but it's apparently not working.
It's laughable that you accuse me of being "easily manipulated" when I've yet to hear you say a single critical thing of the narrative you continue to regurgitate without question... but sure, keep tripping over yourself to defend violent racists.

[~Rocktar~]

It's really not... you're delusional, thanks for continuing to demonstrate that.



It's laughable that you accuse me of being "easily manipulated" when I've yet to hear you say a single critical thing of the narrative you continue to regurgitate without question... but sure, keep tripping over yourself to defend violent racists.

This is a lovely distraction with no substance and is basically the equivalent of "no you".

Facts are, you are defending violent, racist, Marxist criminals.

[Tgo01]

It's laughable that you accuse me of being "easily manipulated" when I've yet to hear you say a single critical thing of the narrative you continue to regurgitate without question... but sure, keep tripping over yourself to defend violent racists.

NOU!

[FlayedAngel]

This is a lovely distraction with no substance and is basically the equivalent of "no you".

Facts are, you are defending violent, racist, Marxist criminals.
Sorry my response to an idiotic "whoosh" statement wasn't as substantial as you would have liked.

And how are you deriving Marxism from any of this? Or are you just contractually obligated to use that and other key words every time you bring up "Leftists" and shit?

[Tgo01]

You seemed to have glossed over this post of mine:


https://twitter.com/livesmattershow/status/1295256399383916544?s=20

Well isn't this an interesting turn of events?

Turns out the "largely peaceful" group of people were literally beating a woman on this man's truck which prompted him to intervene, so the mob then turned on the man and started to attack his vehicle and threaten his life, prompting him to get the fuck out of there. The crazy motherfuckers then started to chase after him and attempted to block his escape, which is apparently what caused him to crash.

So to recap for the slow ones in the room:

Antifa didn't like someone so they "escorted" him from the "protest" area.
A trans woman didn't like their aggressive actions so she spoke out.
Antifa then stole the trans woman's backpack and skateboard then proceeded to beat her.
The guy in this truck and the woman he was with stopped to intervene.
The rioters literally beat the woman on the man's truck.
Man tells them to stop.
Rioters then attacked his truck and threatened his life, prompting man to drive away.
Rioters continue to try and block his path and chase after him, causing him to crash.
Rioters then pull him out of his car, beat him unconscious and rob him and his truck while his friend cries as it all unfolds.
Rioters scream "You tried to run over us!!!!" to justify their actions.
FlayedAngel swallowed the rioters' narrative like it was love juice from Jesus' cock himself without bothering to look into it further himself before he defended the actions of the rioters and condemned the man who was intervening on behalf of a trans woman being robbed.
FlayedAngel then unironically told me to I was getting my news from a biased source, even though I have never relied on Andy Ngo's words themselves and instead always let the videos and photos he uploads do all the talking. Andy Ngo just seems to be the best source I have seen to find all of these videos and photos in one location.

I can't wait to see FlayedAngel's next post where he defends violent rioting fucks beating multiple people in the middle of the street all the while claiming Portland is the best and safest city to live in.

What tactic will he go with this time? Maybe I made a grammatical error somewhere so he'll latch onto that to deflect away from the out-in-the-open violence occurring in his city on a nightly basis.

I'm sure it was just a mistake though and wasn't an attempt to not have to criticize the violent people you have been defending for weeks now.

[FlayedAngel]

I'm sure it was just a mistake though and wasn't an attempt to not have to criticize the violent people you have been defending for weeks now.
Again: you're the one who keeps ascribing monolithicity to the protesters, not me.



FlayedAngel swallowed the rioters' narrative like it was love juice from Jesus' cock himself without bothering to look into it further himself before he defended the actions of the rioters and condemned the man who was intervening on behalf of a trans woman being robbed.
Exactly what part of "I don't want to presume culpability either way without more information" and "I don't condone that kind of mob retaliation" were difficult for you to comprehend?

If what you described is accurate and without further external motivating factor -- which frankly, I'm a bit doubtful of given your track record for biased perspectives thus far, but I'll go with it -- then yes, those people fucked up and did something very bad. I'm not dismissing that outright, nor have I; it's certainly a very real possibility, and one that I hope serves as a cautionary tale for other protesters if so.

This is part of the danger of inciting crowds, why protest leaders have to remain vigilant and opposed to opportunists and the overzealous, and why you'll often see protesters holding back or standing against other protesters.



FlayedAngel then unironically told me to I was getting my news from a biased source, even though I have never relied on Andy Ngo's words themselves and instead always let the videos and photos he uploads do all the talking. Andy Ngo just seems to be the best source I have seen to find all of these videos and photos in one location.
The fact that your next source is Drew Hernandez is pretty indicative of what I imagine to be the common wellspring for your news... not that I'm judging you for that, but I am judging you for regurgitating their biases without critical examination.



I can't wait to see FlayedAngel's next post where he defends violent rioting fucks beating multiple people in the middle of the street all the while claiming Portland is the best and safest city to live in.

What tactic will he go with this time? Maybe I made a grammatical error somewhere so he'll latch onto that to deflect away from the out-in-the-open violence occurring in his city on a nightly basis.
Yeah... again, no.

[FlayedAngel]

You seemed to have glossed over this post of mine:

I'm sure it was just a mistake though and wasn't an attempt to not have to criticize the violent people you have been defending for weeks now.
Calm your tits... I was getting to it, friendo.

[Tgo01]

If what you described is accurate and without further external motivating factor -- which frankly, I'm a bit doubtful of given your track record for biased perspectives thus far, but I'll go with it

You can watch the videos. That's why I linked to them.

These hooligans are so confident they are in the right and won't get in trouble that they don't even bat an eye at all of their crimes being documented.

[FlayedAngel]

You can watch the videos. That's why I linked to them.
I have.

[Tgo01]

Not content with nearly killing a guy a few days ago for the crime of protecting a transwoman from a beating, the largely peaceful protesters are back to setting buildings on fire.

So weird, almost as if it's not a right wing media conspiracy and the violence has indeed been ongoing in Portland for months and it was all just a left wing media conspiracy that the violence was only happening because the feds were there.

I'll give the left credit for one thing; they sure are good at gaslighting themselves.

[FlayedAngel]

Not content with nearly killing a guy a few days ago for the crime of protecting a transwoman from a beating, the largely peaceful protesters are back to setting buildings on fire.

So weird, almost as if it's not a right wing media conspiracy and the violence has indeed been ongoing in Portland for months and it was all just a left wing media conspiracy that the violence was only happening because the feds were there.

I'll give the left credit for one thing; they sure are good at gaslighting themselves.
Again, PPD was a problem long before the feds showed up -- you're compounding two different issues.

[Tgo01]

Again, PPD was a problem long before the feds showed up -- you're compounding two different issues.

Oh right, first the issue was those darn cops forcing the largely peaceful protesters to start buildings on fire, then it was the fed's fault, now it's back to the local police forcing them to commit violent acts.

I sometimes forget my place.

[FlayedAngel]

Oh right, first the issue was those darn cops forcing the largely peaceful protesters to start buildings on fire, then it was the fed's fault, now it's back to the local police forcing them to commit violent acts.

I sometimes forget my place.
We know.

[Tgo01]

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1296338324253110278?s=20

Portland police have now forced the largely peaceful protesters to attack the federal ICE building in Portland, smashing the windows.

Here you can see a Portland police officer place a rock in a protester's hand, point a gun to his head, and order him to throw the rock through a window.

[FlayedAngel]

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1296338324253110278?s=20

Portland police have now forced the largely peaceful protesters to attack the federal ICE building in Portland, smashing the windows.

Here you can see a Portland police officer place a rock in a protester's hand, point a gun to his head, and order him to throw the rock through a window.
Oh my god, that poor window... someone is going to have to tell its family.

[Parkbandit]

Oh my god, that poor window... someone is going to have to tell its family.

So weird how someone would think you are downplaying the violence in Portland.

Must be their reading comprehension.. couldn't possibly be you literally downplaying the violence...

[FlayedAngel]

So weird how someone would think you are downplaying the violence in Portland.

Must be their reading comprehension.. couldn't possibly be you literally downplaying the violence...
It's a fucking window -- compared to some of the things that have been done to actual people, that ain't shit.

[Parkbandit]

It's a fucking window -- compared to some of the things that have been done to actual people, that ain't shit.

So, in your "brain", this is just a peaceful protest...

[FlayedAngel]

So, in your "brain", this is just a peaceful protest...
You lacking a "brain" of your own is no excuse to go making faulty assumptions about my cognitive inclinations.

[Parkbandit]

You lacking a "brain" of your own is no excuse to go making faulty assumptions about my cognitive inclinations.

Your NOU game is stale.

[FlayedAngel]

Your NOU game is stale.
Your entire situation was stale a decade ago.

[Tgo01]

Oh my god, that poor window... someone is going to have to tell its family.

So is smashing windows and starting fires now considered peaceful?

I’m sure if the Proud Boys went around smashing windows of houses owned by gay people, or of Planned Parenthood, or the windows of women’s shelters you would totally be saying “oh my god, that poor window! Who cares!”

[FlayedAngel]

So is smashing windows and starting fires now considered peaceful?

I’m sure if the Proud Boys went around smashing windows of houses owned by gay people, or of Planned Parenthood, or the windows of women’s shelters you would totally be saying “oh my god, that poor window! Who cares!”
I said the protests were largely peaceful weeks ago, dude... a whole lot of shit has happened since then.

You should really move on.

[Tgo01]

I said the protests were largely peaceful weeks ago, dude... a whole lot of shit has happened since then.

So they're no longer largely peaceful. Finally some progress in the war on the truth!

[Tgo01]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/08/20/04/32106482-8645813-A_post_allegedly_uploaded_to_Love_s_Snapchat_accou nt_appeared_to-m-3_1597895476092.jpg

The largely peaceful protester who kicked a guy in the head for the crime of defending a trans woman is on the run and begging for money.

Just look at this piece of shit. "He was a racist!" "He was trying to run over us!"

FlayedAngel is probably firing up his CashApp as we speak.

[FlayedAngel]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/08/20/04/32106482-8645813-A_post_allegedly_uploaded_to_Love_s_Snapchat_accou nt_appeared_to-m-3_1597895476092.jpg

The largely peaceful protester who kicked a guy in the head for the crime of defending a trans woman is on the run and begging for money.

Just look at this piece of shit. "He was a racist!" "He was trying to run over us!"

FlayedAngel is probably firing up his CashApp as we speak.
The only war on truth is your inability to distinguish between multiple misaligned concepts, and the horsehit Fox News narrative you keep clinging to as if it were gospel.

If you honestly believe the violence is solely on the side of the protesters, you'd be sorely mistaken.

[Alfster]

The only war on truth is your inability to distinguish between multiple misaligned concepts, and the horsehit Fox News narrative you keep clinging to as if it were gospel.

If you honestly believe the violence is solely on the side of the protesters, you'd be sorely mistaken.

Nah. Fox news is too leftists for him. He's all in on OAN and Breitbart.

[FlayedAngel]

My apologies to Fox News, then.

[Tgo01]

If you honestly believe the violence is solely on the side of the protesters

You're full of downplaying and deflections today.

[FlayedAngel]

You're full of downplaying and deflections today, you'd be sorely mistaken.
Where would this be occurring? In your head?

[Tgo01]

Where would this be occurring? In your head?

My bad about the "you'd be sorely mistaken" part of my post, that was for another post and I forgot to delete it in my reply.

If you're asking where you are downplaying and deflecting today...bitch, are you for real?

[FlayedAngel]

My bad about the "you'd be sorely mistaken" part of my post, that was for another post and I forgot to delete it in my reply.

If you're asking where you are downplaying and deflecting today...bitch, are you for real?
All good.

And yes, I'm for real.

[~Rocktar~]

If you honestly believe the violence is solely on the side of the protesters, you'd be sorely mistaken.

The majority of people don't give two fucks. Seriously. Your justification and deflection is asinine. The police are not out there gathering up people, herding them into groups, giving them weapons, chemicals and explosives to hurl back at the police. Period. Given the large quantity of genuinely peaceful protests held around the country without incident and where a few rowdy protesters are arrested for, in many cases, public drunk, the argument that the police cause this is just ridiculous. Stop it.

Police are always reactionary. They don't proactively go out and attack crowds no matter what idiot narrative you chose to believe. If you are a rioter and don't want to get gassed, don't riot, don't want to get a baton or cuffs, then don't attack police. Period.

And Yes Alfster, we DO pay the police to be our sword in every sense of the word. We pay them to deal with the dregs of humanity, the most horrible of things so that those dregs don't come to our house and murder us or our families, rape our kids and burn down our homes and businesses. Your opinion not withstanding, that is in fact, what they are there to do.

[Tgo01]

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1296680721591889922?s=20

The cops are at it again!

As you can see in the video hundreds of largely peaceful protesters march down a residential neighborhood at midnight playing loud music, shining spotlights into people's homes, shouting into a megaphone, and screaming "Wake up, motherfucker, wake up!"

So glad to see everyone is taking the virus seriously. Oh wait! When will the cops stop forcing these BLM protesters to do shit like this?

[drauz]

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1296680721591889922?s=20

The cops are at it again!

As you can see in the video hundreds of largely peaceful protesters march down a residential neighborhood at midnight playing loud music, shining spotlights into people's homes, shouting into a microphone, and screaming "Wake up, motherfucker, wake up!"

So glad to see everyone is taking the virus seriously. Oh wait! When will the cops stop forcing these BLM protesters to do shit like this?

Seems pretty peaceful to me, although annoying as fuck if you live there.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Seems pretty peaceful to me, although annoying as fuck if you live there.

I'm 100% certain that is disturbing the peace. Which would be not peaceful.

[drauz]

I'm 100% certain that is disturbing the peace. Which would be not peaceful.

It may be illegal but I think we all understand that to be non violent.

[Methais]

It's really not... you're delusional, thanks for continuing to demonstrate that.

To be fair, it was a pretty big whoosh. Or are you not picking up on the sarcasm when Tgo says that the protests are "mostly peaceful," mocking the media narrative?

[Methais]

It may be illegal but I think we all understand that to be non violent.

It's still non-peaceful though, violence or no violence. Disturbing the peace is a pretty non-peaceful thing in general.

[Candor]

It may be illegal but I think we all understand that to be non violent.

And I suppose if that happened outside your house, you would do nothing.

[Parkbandit]

It's still non-peaceful though, violence or no violence. Disturbing the peace is a pretty non-peaceful thing in general.

BUT THEY WANT TO BE HEARD AND UNDERSTOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111111111111111111111 11111111111111111111111111oneoneone


It's literally little kids like that and their entitlement that make people vote Trump... just so they can cry harder for 4 more years.

[leifastagsweed]

LOL I haven't been on this page for any reason since this post. 15 days and I returned to 14 reps, primarily the same sick few puppies. How toxic and horrible that you are attacking dead air. I'm super glad that I don't frequent this cesspool anymore. Please, though, send more squirrel gifs.

VOTE BIDEN!

[FlayedAngel]

To be fair, it was a pretty big whoosh. Or are you not picking up on the sarcasm when Tgo says that the protests are "mostly peaceful," mocking the media narrative?
Yeah, it's obvious that he's using the term sarcastically for the purposes of mockery, but I'd argue that he's not doing so to mock the same media narrative that most of his statements support -- he's been doing so to mock those who have pointed out that the common media narrative has, in actuality, been flagrantly misleading at times.

I was referring to his own apparent downplaying of the violence, in the one instance that it suits him:


Interesting to note that this is all according to the "counter protesters" who I'm sure showed up to serve the Proud Boys some punch and pie.

The police don't even recognize a gun was fired, they just said someone "allegedly" fired a gun. The "counter protesters" claim they were shot at and for proof they have a picture of a bullet casing, because in a large city like Portland it totally makes sense that someone just happened to find the bullet casing while walking around.

Also no explosions were reported, just an apparently inert pipe bomb that a "counter protester" took a picture of.

Even so it's still a largely peaceful event. Even if we were to assume one person fired a gun and a completely different person threw the pipe bomb that didn't explode, the article states 30 people showed up that means it was 94% peaceful. Not too shabby.
Which is a bit confusing, because the first sentence implies that he's either incorrectly designating or conflating the "counter-protesters" with the protesters, the latter being the ones that were fired on by the former; what I responded with was predicated on that conflation, and thus, I was actually doing him a solid by giving him an honest chance to realign his perspective, correct me, or clarify what he meant... if he so wished.

[FlayedAngel]

It's still non-peaceful though, violence or no violence. Disturbing the peace is a pretty non-peaceful thing in general.
Absolutely correct, but it is far more effective... and I'd much rather see this form of protest than violence, vandalism, and arson.



And I suppose if that happened outside your house, you would do nothing.
I would probably go outside and yell, "Play Freebird!"

[Tgo01]

Seems pretty peaceful to me, although annoying as fuck if you live there.

I think we are finally getting down to the root of the problem here: you guys really don't seem to understand what "peaceful" means.

[Tgo01]

I was referring to his own apparent downplaying of the violence, in the one instance that it suits him:

How many times is FlayedAngel gonna get whooshed by the same post?


because the first sentence implies that he's either incorrectly designating or conflating the "counter-protesters" with the protesters, the latter being the ones that were fired on by the former

In the story you linked the protesters were the Proud Boys and the "counter-protesters" were the ones who showed up to have a tea party with them.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Absolutely correct, but it is far more effective... and I'd much rather see this form of protest than violence, vandalism, and arson.

I would probably go outside and yell, "Play Freebird!"

You say that flippantly.

What if a single mom and her children are in the house who's being yelled obscenities at feels her life is threatened by the mob outside her window? Can she go kill all the pieces of shit?

Ok, that's extreme. Lets say it's an old man who has heart issues and the mob outside his window exacerbates it. Can he go kill all the pieces of shit? How about his son, who feels his father's life is in danger?

Yeah, that's extreme too... but you know what. So is a mob outside your house harassing you. I mean, you defunded the police, so can I smoke all the pieces of shit outside? Stand my ground, right?

Oops, still extreme. How about this... don't cause a situation that will CERTAINLY escalate.

[FlayedAngel]

I was kidding about Freebird, in case that wasn't clear... no one deserves that.

[FlayedAngel]

After throwing homemade pipe bombs into crowds, going after protesters with mace and pellet guns, and generally being huge fuckin' assholes... the alt-right/Proud Boys crew have now graduated to actual bullets, apparently.


In the story you linked the protesters were the Proud Boys and the "counter-protesters" were the ones who showed up to have a tea party with them.
Ahhh, now I see where the confusion lies, thanks for clarifying -- the article itself refers to the protesters of what might be seen as a counter-protest in itself as "counter-protesters" (counter-counter-protesters?); the Patriot Prayer and Proud Boys assholes are the ones most commonly referred to as the counter-protesters, not the other way around, except in that one context. Yeah... that's not confusing at all.

I normally refer to those elements as counter-protesters as well, so that confusion may be on me not doing sufficient diligence to illustrate my point; I only linked the article as it pertains to the photo and not as a direct reference, and I wasn't referring to that explicitly but as exemplary of events occurring in the protest proper -- my bad.

Doesn't change the core of my statement, but given the linguistic confusion and the fact that my point wasn't sufficiently clear to begin with, I don't think it's very fair to pin that point on you... so I'll retract it, with my apologies.

[drauz]

I think we are finally getting down to the root of the problem here: you guys really don't seem to understand what "peaceful" means.

Protests are loud, news at 11.

[Tgo01]

Protests are loud, news at 11.

Protests don't have to be held in residential areas at midnight, news at 11.

[drauz]

Protests don't have to be held in residential areas at midnight, news at 11.

ok bro

[Candor]

Protests are loud, news at 11.

You and Reality just don't like each other.

[FlayedAngel]

Boomers hate loud noises, news at 11.

[Tgo01]

https://twitter.com/sav_says_/status/1297034120543969287?s=20

For the second night in a row the largely peaceful protesters are marching through residential areas at midnight shining spotlights into people's homes, shouting their dumb ass slogans, and screaming into megaphones.

Remember back in May when the police were literally arresting mothers in front of their children because they had the audacity to take their child to the park? Remember when Democrat after Democrat after Democrat lied and said they cared about saving lives from the virus and accused everyone of being a murderer if they went outside?

Yet now those same people are silent as hundreds of people march through a quiet residential neighborhood at midnight and scream and wake people up and terrorize them.

Democrats don't give a single shit about you, they only care about power. If you are still falling for their shit then you are just an easily manipulated tool.

[FlayedAngel]

Democrats don't give a single shit about you, they only care about power. If you are still falling for their shit then you are just an easily manipulated tool.
https://i.imgur.com/LBM55wY.gif

[Tgo01]

https://i.imgur.com/LBM55wY.gif

I thought you'd get a kick out of that little truth bomb I dropped on you.

[FlayedAngel]

I thought you'd get a kick out of that little truth bomb I dropped on you.
That was your dignity, not a truth bomb.

[Tgo01]

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1297071641072025602?s=20

Show that stop sign! Tear it down! Fuck yeah! This is for George Floyd!

How embarrassing.

[Tgo01]

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1295356949081407490?s=20

Largely peaceful BLM "protester" says all cops should have been choked to death by their mother's umbilical cord.

Yes, FlayedAngel, it's a link to a tweet from that Asian man you hate so much, but it's a video so you can ignore the tweet and watch the video itself instead of downplaying and deflecting like you usually do because you hate Asian men so much for some morbid reason.

[Tgo01]

Remember that story of those largely peaceful BLM protesters who were robbing a trans woman then chased down the truck of a man who tried to help said trans woman then after he crashed they pulled him from his truck, nearly killed him and robbed both his person and his truck?

Yeah, turns out the dude they almost murdered (and accused him of being a racist white supremacist who was trying to run them over) is himself a BLM supporter who has marched with BLM before.

You can't even make this shit up. (https://www.wkbn.com/news/national-world/man-says-he-was-attacked-by-protesters-in-portland-after-trying-to-help-a-woman-they-were-robbing/)


He said this was not about Black Lives Matter protesters fighting for justice. He said this was about street fighters looking for trouble. In fact, Haner said he has marched in Black Lives Matter protests.

“I was for that. I’ve had cops beat me up before. I was for their cause. I do think we need some reform. I don’t think they should be down there, teargassing us repeatedly and rubber-bulleting us.”

FlayedAngel was so quick to buy the story that this was some Proud Boy racist who was trying to run over largely peaceful BLM protesters simply because the people who literally almost murdered him and robbed him said that was what happened.

[FlayedAngel]

Show that stop sign! Tear it down! Fuck yeah! This is for George Floyd!

How embarrassing.
Oh no, that poor stop sign -- Portland is burning to the ground!!

It's embarrassing, just not from the perspective you're thinking of.



Yes, FlayedAngel, it's a link to a tweet from that Asian man you hate so much, but it's a video so you can ignore the tweet and watch the video itself instead of downplaying and deflecting like you usually do because you hate Asian men so much for some morbid reason.
You got a screw loose, bud.

[FlayedAngel]

FlayedAngel was so quick to buy the story that this was some Proud Boy racist who was trying to run over largely peaceful BLM protesters simply because the people who literally almost murdered him and robbed him said that was what happened.
If you recall, I said that was a likely possibility -- I also said I'd reserve judgment until more information came out, which it now has. In fact, a friend of mine who's out there every night apparently knows the woman who was robbed, and has been looking for more information... and while I haven't heard much else about it, what I have heard mostly confirms his story.

My initial assessment was incorrect; this may shock you, but I'm perfectly fine with admitting that I was wrong about something and changing my opinion based upon new and more credible information as it comes out.

[Methais]

LOL I haven't been on this page for any reason since this post. 15 days and I returned to 14 reps, primarily the same sick few puppies. How toxic and horrible that you are attacking dead air. I'm super glad that I don't frequent this cesspool anymore. Please, though, send more squirrel gifs.

VOTE BIDEN!

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[Methais]

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1295356949081407490?s=20

Largely peaceful BLM "protester" says all cops should have been choked to death by their mother's umbilical cord.

Yes, FlayedAngel, it's a link to a tweet from that Asian man you hate so much, but it's a video so you can ignore the tweet and watch the video itself instead of downplaying and deflecting like you usually do because you hate Asian men so much for some morbid reason.

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[FlayedAngel]

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[Ashlander]

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[Tgo01]

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1297770059427790853?s=20

Largely peaceful protesters in Portland are again closing down streets and starting things on fire.

[Tgo01]

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1297784695090905090?s=20

Largely peaceful protesters in Portland have started a police precinct on fire. But it's okay, I heard that building was pretty racist so it was a justified act of arson and you shouldn't lose any sleep if it burns to the ground.

[Tgo01]

https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1297805463980052481?s=20

Not Portland but might as well be.

Mostly peaceful protesters set cars in a car dealership on fire. The dealership had a sign reading "Black Lives Matter" which is also on fire. How poetic.

I wonder how the dealership is going to spin the destruction to pin the blame on Trump or Republicans somehow.

[Seizer]

So peaceful (https://reason.com/2020/08/24/when-you-say-yes-to-hate-dispatch-from-portland/)

[FlayedAngel]

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1297784695090905090?s=20

Largely peaceful protesters in Portland have started a police precinct on fire. But it's okay, I heard that building was pretty racist so it was a justified act of arson and you shouldn't lose any sleep if it burns to the ground.
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[FlayedAngel]

https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1297805463980052481?s=20

Not Portland but might as well be.
"Two Wisconsin police officers were on leave Monday as state authorities investigate why a Black man was shot multiple times in the back as he entered the driver's side door of an SUV, officials said.

The man's three children -- 3, 5 and 8 -- were in the car, a family attorney said."

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/24/us/kenosha-police-shooting-jacob-blake

[Neveragain]

"Two Wisconsin police officers were on leave Monday as state authorities investigate why a Black man was shot multiple times in the back as he entered the driver's side door of an SUV, officials said.

The man's three children -- 3, 5 and 8 -- were in the car, a family attorney said."

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/24/us/kenosha-police-shooting-jacob-blake

And this justifies setting things on fire how?

[FlayedAngel]

So peaceful (https://reason.com/2020/08/24/when-you-say-yes-to-hate-dispatch-from-portland/)
Portland police stand by as Proud Boys and far-right militias flash guns and brawl with antifa counterprotesters. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/08/22/portland-police-far-right-protest/)

[FlayedAngel]

And this justifies setting things on fire how?
Shit like this is an example of why people are setting things on fire. I don't agree with that tactic, but frankly... I'd be pissed, too.

[Tgo01]

So peaceful (https://reason.com/2020/08/24/when-you-say-yes-to-hate-dispatch-from-portland/)

Almost a bit too peaceful. What a mess.

[Tgo01]

Portland police stand by as Proud Boys and far-right militias flash guns and brawl with antifa counterprotesters. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/08/22/portland-police-far-right-protest/)

Isn't it amazing how Antifa can burn down buildings, assault police on a nightly basis for almost 3 months now, beat people up, threaten people, close down streets on a whim, terrorize neighborhoods at midnight by screaming in the street and shining spotlights into their homes, and all we hear about is how they are "largely peaceful."

The MINUTE the Proud Boys show up the headlines are "far-right militias flash guns and brawl with counterprotesters!" Of course no mention of the "counterprotesters" showing up just to cause shit with the ANY right leaning group which shows up to march, like they always do.

Why you such a sheep, FlayedAngel?

[Tgo01]

Shit like this is an example of why people are setting things on fire. I don't agree with that tactic, but frankly... I'd be pissed, too.

You're pissed because you're a sheep.

This is what can happen when police use tasers and allow someone to "enter the driver's side door" after the suspect doesn't follow their orders not to do so:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQLOmfx8X_E

But let's face it, you really don't give a flying fuck do you? You think the police signed up to be police officers so their lives are forfeit in situations like this right?

[Neveragain]

Isn't it amazing how Antifa can burn down buildings, assault police on a nightly basis for almost 3 months now, beat people up, threaten people, close down streets on a whim, terrorize neighborhoods at midnight by screaming in the street and shining spotlights into their homes, and all we hear about is how they are "largely peaceful."

The MINUTE the Proud Boys show up the headlines are "far-right militias flash guns and brawl with counterprotesters!" Of course no mention of the "counterprotesters" showing up just to cause shit with the ANY right leaning group which shows up to march, like they always do.

Why you such a sheep, FlayedAngel?


because too few officers were available to respond and they deemed it too dangerous to intervene.

Wants to defund the police, complains that the police don't intervene.

https://media.tenor.com/images/fa3eecd7751f427a047a56d54d7e87e2/tenor.gif

[Tgo01]

Wants to defund the police, complains that the police don't intervene.

This seems to be a common theme lately. The left pushes to defund the police and in some cases have already been successful, then as soon as their precious Antifa fucks get in over their heads these same people start screaming asking why the police aren't defending Antifa.

If it weren't for double standards the left would have no standards. I know I know, FlayedAngel, "NOU!"

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Shit like this is an example of why people are setting things on fire. I don't agree with that tactic, but frankly... I'd be pissed, too.

I have seen nothing on why he was shot, have you?

[FlayedAngel]

Isn't it amazing how Antifa can burn down buildings, assault police on a nightly basis for almost 3 months now, beat people up, threaten people, close down streets on a whim, terrorize neighborhoods at midnight by screaming in the street and shining spotlights into their homes, and all we hear about is how they are "largely peaceful."

The MINUTE the Proud Boys show up the headlines are "far-right militias flash guns and brawl with counterprotesters!" Of course no mention of the "counterprotesters" showing up just to cause shit with the ANY right leaning group which shows up to march, like they always do.

Why you such a sheep, FlayedAngel?
Are you actually defending the Proud Boys?

Keep whining about "Antifa" while siding with actual racist fuckheads if you want to... I'm sure as hell not.

[FlayedAngel]

I have seen nothing on why he was shot, have you?
From my understanding, he was intervening to try and break up a domestic dispute in progress... don't know much beyond that. While there might be a set of circumstances that explains why he was shot several times in the back while calmly getting into a car (like that video of the lunatic chasing a cop around with a knife for a full two minutes before she finally has little choice but to cap him), I can't imagine what those circumstances could be.

If you find and watch the whole video, though... it's pretty fucked up.

[FlayedAngel]

Wants to defund the police, complains that the police don't intervene.
You missed the point there, the complaint wasn't that the police didn't intervene -- as stated numerous times, the complaint was that they were a lot quicker to intervene with the protesters.

If they hadn't intervened in either or had intervened equally in both... that'd be a different story.

[FlayedAngel]

But let's face it, you really don't give a flying fuck do you? You think the police signed up to be police officers so their lives are forfeit in situations like this right?
Who the fuck said that? Stop making asinine assumptions, I never said being a cop wasn't dangerous.

[FlayedAngel]

If it weren't for double standards the left would have no standards. I know I know, FlayedAngel, "NOU!"
Please do tell me more about double standards...

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[Seizer]

Are you actually defending the Proud Boys?

Keep whining about "Antifa" while siding with actual racist fuckheads if you want to... I'm sure as hell not.
Don't misunderstand as I support neither group I posted that article about. What troubles me is that (insert left wing group here) exercises their 1st Amendment rights it's acceptable, but (insert any right wing group here) does so, well that group is in the wrong and their 1st amendment rights should be squashed. I may not like what any protesting group has to say. I do support that they are exercising their rights whether I agree with them or not.

[FlayedAngel]

Don't misunderstand as I support neither group I posted that article about. What troubles me is that (insert left wing group here) exercises their 1st Amendment rights it's acceptable, but (insert any right wing group here) does so, well that group is in the wrong and their 1st amendment rights should be squashed. I may not like what any protesting group has to say. I do support that they are exercising their rights whether I agree with them or not.
You do make a fair point -- it really depends on the group in question, and some of those mentioned in this particular case (like the Proud Boys) have a history of some very not-cool shit. There are some extreme left-wing groups I wouldn't support, for example, and more moderate right-wing groups I wouldn't have any particular issue with exercising rightful protest. It really comes down to a matter of what they're protesting or supporting and why -- people protesting against basic human rights, for example, can fuck right off.

[Candor]

You missed the point there, the complaint wasn't that the police didn't intervene -- as stated numerous times, the complaint was that they were a lot quicker to intervene with the protesters.

As far as I am concerned, the police often don't intervene quickly enough, and they need to use more forceful methods when meeting resistance.

[FlayedAngel]

As far as I am concerned, the police often don't intervene quickly enough, and they need to use more forceful methods when meeting resistance.
Okay, Biden.

[Tgo01]

Are you actually defending the Proud Boys?

Keep whining about "Antifa" while siding with actual racist fuckheads if you want to... I'm sure as hell not.

Nice deflection.

[Tgo01]

Who the fuck said that? Stop making asinine assumptions, I never said being a cop wasn't dangerous.

Because you so blithely dismiss the cop's reasoning and instead rely on racially charged articles like the CNN one you quoted earlier.

You can't even possibly fathom there is more to the story other than racist cop shoots black man in the back. People like you are a dime as dozen on the internet.

I even showed you a video about how tasers can be ineffective and how fast things can get bad for officers and you still don't understand the very obvious and clear point I am making. You have made it pretty clear you are nothing but a sheep.

[Tgo01]

It really comes down to a matter of what they're protesting or supporting and why -- people protesting against basic human rights, for example, can fuck right off.

Isn't that hilarious. You don't take issue with HOW they protest, as made abundantly clear throughout this thread, you take issue with WHAT they are protesting.

I also like how earlier you just dismiss Antifa's violence by referring to them as "Antifa." Let me guess; Antifa isn't real either right? But Proud Boys being a racist and dangerous organization because the very biased SPLC said so? You're down for that!

[FlayedAngel]

Nice deflection.
Deflection? That's what you fuckin' said.

[Tgo01]

Deflection? That's what you fuckin' said.

Where did I defend anyone in the post of mine you quoted? Here's a hint: I didn't.

But since you don't want to comment on the actual point I was making (that is you being a sheep), you deflect to accuse me of defending the Proud Boys then say they are racists.

[FlayedAngel]

You can't even possibly fathom there is more to the story other than racist cop shoots black man in the back. People like you are a dime as dozen on the internet.

I even showed you a video about how tasers can be ineffective and how fast things can get bad for officers and you still don't understand the very obvious and clear point I am making. You have made it pretty clear you are nothing but a sheep.
The fuck are you even talking about? He wasn't resisting, it's pretty obvious that he was calmly walking to his car.

You don't really need to keep pulling more delusional shit out of your ass, you've made it abundantly clear what side you're on -- the wrong one.



Isn't that hilarious. You don't take issue with HOW they protest, as made abundantly clear throughout this thread, you take issue with WHAT they are protesting.

I also like how earlier you just dismiss Antifa's violence by referring to them as "Antifa." Let me guess; Antifa isn't real either right? But Proud Boys being a racist and dangerous organization because the very biased SPLC said so? You're down for that!
Are you a fucking idiot? So you're actually arguing that the Proud Boys aren't a far-right neo-fascist organization?

[FlayedAngel]

Where did I defend anyone in the post of mine you quoted? Here's a hint: I didn't.

But since you don't want to comment on the actual point I was making (that is you being a sheep), you deflect to accuse me of defending the Proud Boys then say they are racists.
Sure dude, keep trying to weasel out of it.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Wait, are either of you saying any group of people or any individual shouldn't have the right to free speech?

[FlayedAngel]

Wait, are either of you saying any group of people or any individual shouldn't have the right to free speech?
Not here, no... unless it's fairly obviously hate-speech, which I prefer to be somewhat stringent in asserting. Freedom of speech isn't freedom from consequences in either direction.

If you want to have a MAGA rally or whatever, have at it -- that's your right, if you don't mind getting a few boos for it.

[Tgo01]

Wait, are either of you saying any group of people or any individual shouldn't have the right to free speech?

I think anyone should have the right to free speech no matter what shit they want to spew. They should also be able to protest/march (as long as they do the proper paperwork or whatever) wherever they want without fear of another group of "counterprotesters" showing up to cause trouble with them.

I clearly don't view assaulting police officers and setting buildings on fire for almost 3 months straight to be "free speech" or a "largely peaceful" protest.

[Tgo01]

I think anyone should have the right to free speech no matter what shit they want to spew. They should also be able to protest/march (as long as they do the proper paperwork or whatever) wherever they want without fear of another group of "counterprotesters" showing up to cause trouble with them.


Not here, no... unless it's fairly obviously hate-speech, which I prefer to be somewhat stringent in asserting. Freedom of speech isn't freedom from consequences in either direction.

And yet apparently I'm the fascist.


If you want to have a MAGA rally or whatever, have at it -- that's your right, if you don't mind getting a few boos for it.

Right, that's all that happens whenever the Proud Boys or a right leaning group decides to do a march in 2020 (or shit most of 2019 for that matter), people just show up to boo them. My goodness if my eyes rolled any harder they would fly right outta my skull.

[Tgo01]

He wasn't resisting, it's pretty obvious that he was calmly walking to his car.

That's exactly what resisting is. For fuck's sake. I also showed you a video of what can happen if police just allow someone to reach into their vehicle after ordering them not to. Why do you keep acting like I haven't already pointed this out to you numerous times? Oh right, because it totally destroys whatever dumb point you think you have.


Are you a fucking idiot? So you're actually arguing that the Proud Boys aren't a far-right neo-fascist organization?

Can you quote for me exactly what makes them a "far-right neo-fascist organization"? I mean something that doesn't come directly from a left leaning organization, this means no CNN, Antifa, MSNBC, SPLC, ADL, or any of that other shit.

[Stolis]

The fuck are you even talking about? He wasn't resisting, it's pretty obvious that he was calmly walking to his car.

If an officer gives you a direct order, doing whatever else you're doing is considered resisting. "He was just walking to his car" can turn into a whole lot of things really quickly. You have to understand that, right?

[FlayedAngel]

That's exactly what resisting is. For fuck's sake. I also showed you a video of what can happen if police just allow someone to reach into their vehicle after ordering them not to. Why do you keep acting like I haven't already pointed this out to you numerous times? Oh right, because it totally destroys whatever dumb point you think you have.


If an officer gives you a direct order, doing whatever else you're doing is considered resisting. "He was just walking to his car" can turn into a whole lot of things really quickly. You have to understand that, right?
Yeah, walking to your car totally warrants getting shot several times in the back.

You know how absolutely fucked that sounds, right?



Can you quote for me exactly what makes them a "far-right neo-fascist organization"? I mean something that doesn't come directly from a left leaning organization, this means no CNN, Antifa, MSNBC, SPLC, ADL, or any of that other shit.
I'm not playing this idiotic "deny facts" game with you, it's commonly evident by their actions.

[Tgo01]

Yeah, walking to your car totally warrants getting shot several times in the back.

You know how absolutely fucked that sounds, right?

Stop being a pussy and actually watch this video this time:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQLOmfx8X_E


I'm not playing this idiotic "deny facts" game with you, it's commonly evident by their actions.

Right. "Commonly evident by their actions." Which actions are those again? Showing up to march? Yet when "Antifa" attacks officers and starts fires and terrorizes residents on a nightly basis for going on 3 months now they're just "largely peaceful protesters."

[Stolis]

Yeah, walking to your car totally warrants getting shot several times in the back.

You know how absolutely fucked that sounds, right?

It sounds fucked to you, because in your mind, that person who just got shot never had any intent to do wrong. Because you wouldn't do wrong, right? You wouldn't jump in your car and try and run any of those officers over. You wouldn't have a pistol under the seat and start opening fire.

You know how many officers have been killed at incidents where they had someone resisting and the person did pull out a gun? Do you think maybe that's why there's no messing around when it comes to resisting? Now put it in a high pressure situation where you've told the person over and over to stop moving and get away from the vehicle. Yeah sorry dude, you're getting taken down one way or another. Better to be judged by 13 than carried by 11.

[FlayedAngel]

Stop being a pussy and actually watch this video this time:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQLOmfx8X_E
I watched the video the first time, what's your fucking point?



Right. "Commonly evident by their actions." Which actions are those again? Showing up to march? Yet when "Antifa" attacks officers and starts fires and terrorizes residents on a nightly basis for going on 3 months now they're just "largely peaceful protesters."
Sure dude... whine more, you're still just as wrong.

[Solkern]

It sounds fucked to you, because in your mind, that person who just got shot never had any intent to do wrong. Because you wouldn't do wrong, right? You wouldn't jump in your car and try and run any of those officers over. You wouldn't have a pistol under the seat and start opening fire.

You know how many officers have been killed at incidents where they had someone resisting and the person did pull out a gun? Do you think maybe that's why there's no messing around when it comes to resisting? Now put it in a high pressure situation where you've told the person over and over to stop moving and get away from the vehicle. Yeah sorry dude, you're getting taken down one way or another. Better to be judged by 13 than carried by 11.


You know, in a war ravaged areas, armed conflicts etc etc. the stance is usually, do not fire, unless fired upon.
Yet we can’t adopt those same policies in our OWN country, against civilians? If they can do it in times of war. Not sure why we can’t have that same principles in our own country.

[Tgo01]

I watched the video the first time, what's your fucking point?



Sure dude... whine more, you're still just as wrong.

I'm just curious; do you actually think you make good points based on logic, facts, reason, and common sense? Or do you fully recognize your viewpoints are largely based on emotion?

And please spare me for once your typical "NOU!" response.

[Tgo01]

You know, in a war ravaged areas, armed conflicts etc etc. the stance is usually, do not fire, unless fired upon.
Yet we can’t adopt those same policies in our OWN country, against civilians? If they can do it in times of war. Not sure why we can’t have that same principles in our own country.

I've seen a lot of people on the internet repeating this exact same talking point. Can anyone who actually served in the military in a war zone comment on this?

Are you really only supposed to fire if you're fired at first? I imagine there is a lot more to it than that.

This sounds like people who claim the military is trained to shoot to wound whereas police officers are trained to shoot to kill.

[FlayedAngel]

It sounds fucked to you, because in your mind, that person who just got shot never had any intent to do wrong. Because you wouldn't do wrong, right? You wouldn't jump in your car and try and run any of those officers over. You wouldn't have a pistol under the seat and start opening fire.

You know how many officers have been killed at incidents where they had someone resisting and the person did pull out a gun? Do you think maybe that's why there's no messing around when it comes to resisting? Now put it in a high pressure situation where you've told the person over and over to stop moving and get away from the vehicle. Yeah sorry dude, you're getting taken down one way or another. Better to be judged by 13 than carried by 11.
There are a ton of ways to navigate that situation without shooting someone point-blank in the back multiple times, Christ.

I have no idea what that person was thinking or doing, or what their intent was. And believe it not, I'm not without sympathy for the high-pressure situations that cops get thrust into -- it sucks and I do get that, but that approach is not one that should be condoned.

[~Rocktar~]

You know, in a war ravaged areas, armed conflicts etc etc. the stance is usually, do not fire, unless fired upon.
Yet we can’t adopt those same policies in our OWN country, against civilians? If they can do it in times of war. Not sure why we can’t have that same principles in our own country.

No, we can't because it gets police and civilians needlessly killed. It also results in dead soldiers but it's the politically necessary thing to do because of lack of will on the population to really wage war.

[FlayedAngel]

I'm just curious; do you actually think you make good points based on logic, facts, reason, and common sense? Or do you fully recognize your viewpoints are largely based on emotion?

And please spare me for once your typical "NOU!" response.
Not engaging in your idiocy is not an emotional response.

Prove to me that you earnestly want to engage in discourse, and I'll gladly engage with you using said logic, facts, reason, and common sense -- so far, you've repeatedly demonstrated such to not to be worth it.

[Tgo01]

There are a ton of ways to navigate that situation without shooting someone point-blank in the back multiple times, Christ.

I have no idea what that person was thinking or doing, or what their intent was. And believe it not, I'm not without sympathy for the high-pressure situations that cops get thrust into -- it sucks and I do get that, but that approach is not one that should be condoned.

Me: Here's a video showing cops trying to use tasers, physical restraint, and resorting to flat out punching a suspect to get him to comply, officers then make the mistake of letting the dude reach into his car to grab a firearm where he then shoots both cops.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQLOmfx8X_E

FlayedAngel: What's your fucking point?

Also FlayedAngel: that approach is not one that should be condoned.

Alright, armchair quarterback, since you have seen the video of how quickly things can get out of control when a suspect isn't following commands, and you also saw in the same video that tasers don't always work and fists don't always work, what should the officers have done here? Sure is easy to sit from the comfort of your computer chair and criticize everyone else for doing things wrong.

[FlayedAngel]

You know, in a war ravaged areas, armed conflicts etc etc. the stance is usually, do not fire, unless fired upon.
Yet we can’t adopt those same policies in our OWN country, against civilians? If they can do it in times of war. Not sure why we can’t have that same principles in our own country.
One would think that to already be the case, right?

[Solkern]

No, we can't because it gets police and civilians needlessly killed. It also results in dead soldiers but it's the politically necessary thing to do because of lack of will on the population to really wage war.

Looks like it’s politically necessary now with how things are going in the country.
So it’s ok for our troops to needlessly die but not police because of politics? is that what you are saying?
You value the lives of police over our troops?

[Tgo01]

you've repeatedly demonstrated such to not to be worth it.

Ah yes, and there it is finally, the typical far leftist's response: "I'm smart. Like SOOOOOOO smart. But you're so dumb you're not worth the effort." After they have spent days/weeks/months replying to almost each and every single one of my posts in the politics folder.

What a joke.

[Solkern]

I've seen a lot of people on the internet repeating this exact same talking point. Can anyone who actually served in the military in a war zone comment on this?

Are you really only supposed to fire if you're fired at first? I imagine there is a lot more to it than that.

This sounds like people who claim the military is trained to shoot to wound whereas police officers are trained to shoot to kill.

I’ve asked a few friend that served in Afghan, and they confirmed it.
When civilians could be present, it’s usually the standing order.

Next I’m 99% sure soldiers aren’t trained to “wound” but to kill, and I don’t think anyone thinks otherwise.
(Maybe snipers)

[~Rocktar~]

Looks like it’s politically necessary now with how things are going in the country.
So it’s ok for our troops to needlessly die but not police because of politics? is that what you are saying?
You value the lives of police over our troops?

NO, I don't agree with it either way just explained why it existed so stop trying to put words in my mouth.

We need the will to wage war against crime because it's not going to get any better. The so called "police brutality epidemic" is less than it has been in decades based on interactions vs occurrences and yet we see it more and more to push a narrative driven by corrupt media and Leftists.

[Solkern]

NO, I don't agree with it either way just explained why it existed so stop trying to put words in my mouth.

We need the will to wage war against crime because it's not going to get any better. The so called "police brutality epidemic" is less than it has been in decades based on interactions vs occurrences and yet we see it more and more to push a narrative driven by corrupt media and Leftists.

What words did I put in your mouth? Oh you mean asking you questions is putting words in your mouth? Nice way to avoid answering.


So I’ll ask again, why is it ok for soldiers to die needlessly in a war torn country abroad, but not police because politics?
Do you value the lives of police over our troops?
If the troops can do it, there is ZERO reason why our police can’t do it. And our soldiers are in a far worse situation than our police are.

[Taernath]

I've seen a lot of people on the internet repeating this exact same talking point. Can anyone who actually served in the military in a war zone comment on this?

Are you really only supposed to fire if you're fired at first? I imagine there is a lot more to it than that.

It changed throughout the course of the war but he is correct.



Next I’m 99% sure soldiers aren’t trained to “wound” but to kill, and I don’t think anyone thinks otherwise.
(Maybe snipers)

This is also correct. Same with police. Neither are trained to 'shoot to wound', just center mass.

Solkern is 2 for 2.

[Jeril]

What words did I put in your mouth? Oh you mean asking you questions is putting words in your mouth? Nice way to avoid answering.


So I’ll ask again, why is it ok for soldiers to die needlessly in a war torn country abroad, but not police because politics?
Do you value the lives of police over our troops?
If the troops can do it, there is ZERO reason why our police can’t do it. And our soldiers are in a far worse situation than our police are.


NO, I don't agree with it either way just explained why it existed so stop trying to put words in my mouth.

We need the will to wage war against crime because it's not going to get any better. The so called "police brutality epidemic" is less than it has been in decades based on interactions vs occurrences and yet we see it more and more to push a narrative driven by corrupt media and Leftists.

How is that avoiding answering the question? Unless you didn't read it.

[Solkern]

How is that avoiding answering the question? Unless you didn't read it.

Why don’t you read my questions again, and try to understand how he did not answer my question.

[Jeril]

Why don’t you read my questions again, and try to understand how he did not answer my question.

He is saying he doesn't agree with waiting to be fired upon first in either scenario.......

[Solkern]

He is saying he doesn't agree with waiting to be fired upon first in either scenario.......

Obviously you need to check again, my question was why is it ok for our TROOPS, to be fired on, but not our police because of politics?

I wasn’t asking if he agreed or disagreed. He said troops get fired on first because its politics, but not police. That’s what my question is referring to.

[~Rocktar~]

It changed throughout the course of the war but he is correct.



This is also correct. Same with police. Neither are trained to 'shoot to wound', just center mass.

Solkern is 2 for 2.

There is no legal basis for a non-lethal use of a firearm. Period. Shoot to wound is a Hollywood myth.

[Solkern]

There is no legal basis for a non-lethal use of a firearm. Period. Shoot to wound is a Hollywood myth.


Exactly, they aim for the largest part of the body, so they don’t miss. They are trained to kill.

[Jeril]

Obviously you need to check again, my question was why is it ok for our TROOPS, to be fired on, but not our police because of politics?

I wasn’t asking if he agreed or disagreed. He said troops get fired on first because its politics, but not police. That’s what my question is referring to.

You do realize that is basically asking him to defend a position he doesn't agree with, which makes 0 sense.

Can you please explain to me why ducks can't wear pants on Sundays?

[Solkern]

You do realize that is basically asking him to defend a position he doesn't agree with, which makes 0 sense.

Can you please explain to me why ducks can't wear pants on Sundays?

Do me a favor, google “devil’s advocate” and get back to me. Till then, sit in the corner.
Next, I’m not asking him to defend A position he doesn’t agree with.... I didn’t ask him to defend anything. He made a comment, I asked him why is it like that?
Not sure what’s so difficult about that.

I can easily defend the “stand your ground law” and I 100% disagree with it. He made a comment, I want his opinion on it.

And your retarded example literally makes no sense in terms of the general lines of questioning, or your basis of defending ones position they don’t agree with.

[FlayedAngel]

Ah yes, and there it is finally, the typical far leftist's response: "I'm smart. Like SOOOOOOO smart. But you're so dumb you're not worth the effort." After they have spent days/weeks/months replying to almost each and every single one of my posts in the politics folder.

What a joke.
So you want to be able to whinge and complain like a little shit without anyone criticizing you for it?

Got it.

And for the record: I don't consider you dumb... but I'm not going to waste my time arguing with anyone about whether or not water is wet, vaccines cause autism (they don't), or obviously racist shit is racist.

[Jeril]

Do me a favor, google “devil’s advocate” and get back to me. Till then, sit in the corner.

I’m not asking him to defend HIS position. He made a comment, I asked him why is it like that?

Not sure what’s so difficult about that.

And your retarded example literally makes no sense in terms of the general lines of questioning, or your basis of defending ones position they don’t agree with.

https://www.rd.com/list/dumbest-laws-america/

[FlayedAngel]

Alright, armchair quarterback, since you have seen the video of how quickly things can get out of control when a suspect isn't following commands, and you also saw in the same video that tasers don't always work and fists don't always work, what should the officers have done here? Sure is easy to sit from the comfort of your computer chair and criticize everyone else for doing things wrong.
I hope you do realize the irony of saying that in a thread about a town where I actually live?

Just because I don't agree with you on appropriate measures of force doesn't mean I'm personally attacking you, calm your tits. I think cops deal with a lot of horrendous shit, and I'm sure there are some honestly good people in their ranks -- but it's stupid to pretend there aren't also some racist fuckheads who use deadly or extreme force when it isn't needed.

[Tgo01]

I hope you do realize the irony of saying that in a thread about a town where I actually live?

What does you living in Portland have anything to do with an officer involved shooting in Wisconsin?

[Tgo01]

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1298149698620989440?s=20

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1298149494249279494?s=20

Largely peaceful protesters are just smashing everything in Kenosha.

[Tgo01]

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1298150931234578432?s=20

A man asks a group of largely peaceful protesters why they are burning down shops if their problem is with the police, the largely peaceful protesters respond by saying they will burn down his business next.

Remember it's peaceful fire.

[FlayedAngel]

What does you living in Portland have anything to do with an officer involved shooting in Wisconsin?
That was in reference to you calling me an armchair quarterback while shitposting here constantly (see above), not the shooting in Wisconsin.

[Solkern]

https://www.rd.com/list/dumbest-laws-america/


Glad you found some way to entertain yourself, while sitting in that corner. Work on your reading comprehension before you jump into a conversation trying to act smart.

[Methais]

https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/117968486_10163991380540304_114503769616507096_n.j pg?_nc_cat=108&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=Dr2ZRTz5CUEAX-OSNdk&_nc_ht=scontent-sea1-1.xx&oh=8db91fc8db8267da0f111de787f9759b&oe=5F6AA638


https://youtu.be/SmzMzmnB-iQ

[Methais]

Are you actually defending the Proud Boys?

Keep whining about "Antifa" while siding with actual racist fuckheads if you want to... I'm sure as hell not.

This guy hates black people soooooooooooooo much omg!

https://i1.wp.com/www.theunshackled.net/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/johnkinsman.png?fit=715%2C402&ssl=1

[Methais]

I watched the video the first time, what's your fucking point?

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[Methais]

Looks like it’s politically necessary now with how things are going in the country.
So it’s ok for our troops to needlessly die but not police because of politics? is that what you are saying?
You value the lives of police over our troops?

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/A99G6O721gA/maxresdefault.jpg

[Methais]

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1298150931234578432?s=20

A man asks a group of largely peaceful protesters why they are burning down shops if their problem is with the police, the largely peaceful protesters respond by saying they will burn down his business next.

Remember it's peaceful fire.

I wonder how long before "peaceful rioter" becomes a media term.

[Tgo01]

https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1298141975682732033?s=20

NYT: Peaceful marches in Kenosha, Wis., against the police shooting of a Black man gave way to fires and destruction.

Meanwhile in Kenosha...

https://twitter.com/BGOnTheScene/status/1298128720218202112?s=20

NYT gaslights more than FlayedAngel, and I didn't even think that were possible!

Like seriously, I don't think there has been a single peaceful march in Kenosha at all, they went right to rioting and haven't stopped.

This is even the picture they use when talking about the "peaceful marches."

https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1298134241960693760/i-vPVCIH?format=jpg&name=small

This is straight up some 1984 shit right here. "Don't believe what your own eyes are telling you! Big Brother is always right."

The article is even better: "Protesters were upset that the police shot Mr. Blake, a Black man, in the back as he tried to enter a vehicle."

Oh as he tried to enter a vehicle? Sure is a funny way of saying "as he tried to flee police."

Take notes, FlayedAngel, this is how you gaslight and downplay.

[Methais]

https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1298141975682732033?s=20

NYT: Peaceful marches in Kenosha, Wis., against the police shooting of a Black man gave way to fires and destruction.

Meanwhile in Kenosha...

https://twitter.com/BGOnTheScene/status/1298128720218202112?s=20

NYT gaslights more than FlayedAngel, and I didn't even think that were possible!

Like seriously, I don't think there has been a single peaceful march in Kenosha at all, they went right to rioting and haven't stopped.

This is even the picture they use when talking about the "peaceful marches."

https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1298134241960693760/i-vPVCIH?format=jpg&name=small

This is straight up some 1984 shit right here. "Don't believe what your own eyes are telling you! Big Brother is always right."

The article is even better: "Protesters were upset that the police shot Mr. Blake, a Black man, in the back as he tried to enter a vehicle."

Oh as he tried to enter a vehicle? Sure is a funny way of saying "as he tried to flee police."

Take notes, FlayedAngel, this is how you gaslight and downplay.

https://scontent.fbtr1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/118324512_1243552982671967_1943772583352413065_n.j pg?_nc_cat=104&_nc_sid=110474&_nc_ohc=66lFn8CtoQIAX9HdueK&_nc_ht=scontent.fbtr1-1.fna&oh=ec4f609e5dcbe75b379fd439cc5a83d9&oe=5F6B1F9A

[Tgo01]

https://scontent.fbtr1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/118324512_1243552982671967_1943772583352413065_n.j pg?_nc_cat=104&_nc_sid=110474&_nc_ohc=66lFn8CtoQIAX9HdueK&_nc_ht=scontent.fbtr1-1.fna&oh=ec4f609e5dcbe75b379fd439cc5a83d9&oe=5F6B1F9A

I could totally see Biden saying something like that and Democrats fawning all over him.

[FlayedAngel]

NYT gaslights more than FlayedAngel, and I didn't even think that were possible!

Like seriously, I don't think there has been a single peaceful march in Kenosha at all, they went right to rioting and haven't stopped.

This is even the picture they use when talking about the "peaceful marches."

https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1298134241960693760/i-vPVCIH?format=jpg&name=small

This is straight up some 1984 shit right here. "Don't believe what your own eyes are telling you! Big Brother is always right."

The article is even better: "Protesters were upset that the police shot Mr. Blake, a Black man, in the back as he tried to enter a vehicle."

Oh as he tried to enter a vehicle? Sure is a funny way of saying "as he tried to flee police."

Take notes, FlayedAngel, this is how you gaslight and downplay.
I haven't called Kenosha "peaceful" once, you dingbat -- in fact, I haven't even said it in reference to here in some time because the situation continues to change.

But please, do continue ignoring what I actually say in favor of repetitiously (and inaccurately) re-framing something I said a month ago in a desperate attempt to make some kind of a point.

https://media1.giphy.com/media/8ItUfY2pQCJoc/200.gif

[FlayedAngel]

https://youtu.be/SmzMzmnB-iQ
https://i.gifer.com/origin/41/413021c141040b3eef10d4961ef32882_w200.gif

[Stolis]

There are a ton of ways to navigate that situation without shooting someone point-blank in the back multiple times, Christ.

I have no idea what that person was thinking or doing, or what their intent was. And believe it not, I'm not without sympathy for the high-pressure situations that cops get thrust into -- it sucks and I do get that, but that approach is not one that should be condoned.

Absolutely there are. What we don't know though is the entire situation from the moment police arrived on the scene. We are making judgements and such on a what, 20 second video? Right off the bat, the cop already has his gun out. That means some shit went down before the record button was ever pushed. We can debate why there wasn't another cop around the driver side rear of the car, watching the man. We can debate why that cop didn't just spear tackle the fuck out of the dude as he started going towards the vehicle door. We can discuss why the other officers didn't have a taser out keeping him from moving (though in another news report, there was mention of an altercation where tasers were used, so who knows if it was that guy, the original reason for the call, whatever. Welcome to undercooked news articles) so yeah, there's a whole bunch of stuff we can debate.

I'm hoping this cat makes it out of the ICU so he can be interviewed just for the sole purpose of being asked, "What in the actual fuck did you think you were doing there and trying to accomplish?" among other questions.

[Alfster]

Local news around here shared the cops were called for a domestic incident involving two woman. He was the one who broke up the fight.

Again. Who knows. More will come out. Just what the local station called out.

[FlayedAngel]

Absolutely there are. What we don't know though is the entire situation from the moment police arrived on the scene. We are making judgements and such on a what, 20 second video? Right off the bat, the cop already has his gun out. That means some shit went down before the record button was ever pushed. We can debate why there wasn't another cop around the driver side rear of the car, watching the man. We can debate why that cop didn't just spear tackle the fuck out of the dude as he started going towards the vehicle door. We can discuss why the other officers didn't have a taser out keeping him from moving (though in another news report, there was mention of an altercation where tasers were used, so who knows if it was that guy, the original reason for the call, whatever. Welcome to undercooked news articles) so yeah, there's a whole bunch of stuff we can debate.

I'm hoping this cat makes it out of the ICU so he can be interviewed just for the sole purpose of being asked, "What in the actual fuck did you think you were doing there and trying to accomplish?" among other questions.
Sure, there's lots of things to debate about the situation -- doesn't change the fact that the number of scenarios that might could justify a shooting of that nature are incredibly slim compared to the number of scenarios that couldn't.

[Alfster]

One thing is for sure. This headline shouldn't still be happening.

"Unarmed black man shot 8 times in the back by police"

[Candor]

Sure, there's lots of things to debate about the situation -- doesn't change the fact that the number of scenarios that might could justify a shooting of that nature are incredibly slim compared to the number of scenarios that couldn't.

I don't agree, but there are definitely a lot of questions that need to be answered. The fact that an officer already had a gun out, and the fact that the suspect was clearly ignoring the directions of the police do not work in his favor. But there needs to be a full investigation. If the officers didn't have justification to shoot, they will no doubt be spending many years in prison.

[Taernath]

If the officers didn't have justification to shoot, they will no doubt be spending many years in prison.

What if they smelled weed and feared for their life?

https://www.twincities.com/2017/06/21/philando-castile-yanez-smell-of-marijuana-made-him-fear-for-his-life-jeronimo/


The officer who fatally shot Philando Castile during a traffic stop last year told investigators that the smell of “burnt marijuana” in Castile’s car made him believe his life was in danger.

“I thought, I was gonna die,” St. Anthony police officer Jeronimo Yanez told investigators from the Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension fifteen hours after the shooting. “And I thought if he’s, if he has the, the guts and the audacity to smoke marijuana in front of the 5-year-old girl and risk her lungs and risk her life by giving her secondhand smoke and the front seat passenger doing the same thing then what, what care does he give about me. And, I let off the rounds and then after the rounds were off, the little girls was screaming.”

...

Yanez was ultimately acquitted.

[Methais]

What if they smelled weed and feared for their life?

Must be an extremely strong sativa.

Maybe they smelled weed and REEFER MADNESS kicked in?

[Astray]

Must be an extremely strong sativa.

Maybe they smelled weed and REEFER MADNESS kicked in?

Injecting marijuanas between the toes is how I get high these days.

[Methais]

Injecting marijuanas between the toes is how I get high these days.

Must be nice to have toes. I drank 1 marijuana and had to have both feet amputated 20 minutes later.

[Taernath]

Injecting marijuanas between the toes is how I get high these days.

What if the police officer smelled your feet and feared for his life?

[FlayedAngel]

Must be nice to have toes. I drank 1 marijuana and had to have both feet amputated 20 minutes later.
One might say that was your last dance with Mary Jane.

[Astray]

What if the police officer smelled your feet and feared for his life?

Guess I'll just die then.

[Tgo01]

https://twitter.com/AHaridopolos/status/1298276893893033984?s=20

Largely peaceful BLM protesters have now taken to crowding around people trying to enjoy a meal outside a restaurant, getting right in their faces, and screaming at them and intimidating them.

[Tgo01]

https://twitter.com/KunkleFredrick/status/1298344285079838720?s=20

Another angle.

[Tgo01]

I haven't called Kenosha "peaceful" once, you dingbat

I didn't say you did, I said you gaslight like it was your job.

You really should stop attacking poor defenseless strawmen so much.

[FlayedAngel]

I didn't say you did, I said you gaslight like it was your job.

You really should stop attacking poor defenseless strawmen so much.
You brought it up in the context of the ol' "peaceful protest" nonsense you love so much, goofball... thus my response.

If that's a strawman, it's the same one you keep waving around so insistently.

[Tgo01]

You brought it up in the context of the ol' "peaceful protest" nonsense you love so much

Yes, the ol' "peaceful protest" argument, not specifically Kenosha. Now you're getting to the point!

I'm like a guru, guiding lost and confused souls towards enlightenment. But I can only do so much! You have to do most of the work yourself. It's difficult, time consuming, and at times you will question your faith, but if you stay the course it will be worth it.

[FlayedAngel]

Yes, the ol' "peaceful protest" argument, not specifically Kenosha. Now you're getting to the point!

I'm like a guru, guiding lost and confused souls towards enlightenment. But I can only do so much! You have to do most of the work yourself. It's difficult, time consuming, and at times you will question your faith, but if you stay the course it will be worth it.
Whatever you say, Charles Manson.

[Tgo01]

https://twitter.com/AHaridopolos/status/1298276893893033984?s=20

Largely peaceful BLM protesters have now taken to crowding around people trying to enjoy a meal outside a restaurant, getting right in their faces, and screaming at them and intimidating them.

I didn't realize what they were doing when I saw this video, I thought they were screaming at people just to scream at them.

Apparently they are demanding white people "show solidarity" with their cause and join them because "white silence is violence." This is literally the tactic of Islamic terrorists; force people to recite a passage from the Quran to prove they are devote Muslims or else they shoot the person, but BLM hasn't graduated to the "shoot them" part, not yet anyways. And this wasn't just an isolated incident, this apparently happened a lot last night, at least two of which were filmed and posted online.

I can only imagine the never ending outrage from the media and the left if this were a group of MAGA hatted people crowding around people enjoying a meal, getting in their face, threatening them, and demanding people don a MAGA hat and join them in harassing other people (and the outrage would be justified), but it's BLM doing it so people like FlayedAngel will downplay it, maybe even call them peaceful protesters. At least no one was injured!!111

[Solkern]

https://us.yahoo.com/huffpost/portland-police-far-right-proud-boys-094500346.html

The Portland Police Bureau appears to have all but given up on policing the far-right factions brawling in the Oregon city’s streets, despite a recent escalation in violence that has seen those extremists throw explosives, brandish guns and in one case fire them at other protesters.

I bet those right wings are happy! but but but it's only BLM protesters and Liberals!!

[Tgo01]

https://us.yahoo.com/huffpost/portland-police-far-right-proud-boys-094500346.html

The Portland Police Bureau appears to have all but given up on policing the far-right factions brawling in the Oregon city’s streets, despite a recent escalation in violence that has seen those extremists throw explosives, brandish guns and in one case fire them at other protesters.

I bet those right wings are happy! but but but it's only BLM protesters and Liberals!!

Look who suddenly cares about violence in Portland. You people are the biggest joke in the history of jokes.

2+ straight months of Antifa violence: Democrats sleep.
Antifa clashes with Proud Boys: Democrats demand action against the Proud Boys!

[Methais]

Look who suddenly cares about violence in Portland. You people are the biggest joke in the history of jokes.

2+ straight months of Antifa violence: Democrats sleep.
Antifa clashes with Proud Boys: Democrats demand action against the Proud Boys!

This is correct.

[Wrathbringer]

This is correct.

This is correct.

[Wrathbringer]

https://us.yahoo.com/huffpost/portland-police-far-right-proud-boys-094500346.html

The Portland Police Bureau appears to have all but given up on policing the far-right factions brawling in the Oregon city’s streets, despite a recent escalation in violence that has seen those extremists throw explosives, brandish guns and in one case fire them at other protesters.

I bet those right wings are happy! but but but it's only BLM protesters and Liberals!!

To be fair, the world would be a better place if there were less blm, liberals, and retards such as yourself.

[Tgo01]

https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/aug/25/marquise-damarius-asomani-arrested-after-shots-fir/

Mostly peaceful protester fires gun at crowd of Trump supporters.