Portland.

[Bobmuhthol]

I can't control if the author of that article used the word wrong. Most people dont use proper English, I'm bad at it and I'm sure you all will latch onto it.

But did people who committed no crimes at all get arrested?

Please answer with an easy to understand format,

Yes? No? Apparently?The author did not use the word wrong. I am not here to answer the question you asked. My only part in this discussion was to point out that Tgo01 is dumb.

[drauz]

I can't control if the author of that article used the word wrong. Most people dont use proper English, I'm bad at it and I'm sure you all will latch onto it.

But did people who committed no crimes at all get arrested?

Please answer with an easy to understand format,

Yes? No? Apparently?

Yes.

[Solkern]

Quantum journalism.

Obviously bias journalism at its finest, but still doesn’t make it any less false or any more true.

[Tgo01]

Holy fuck you are truly dumb.

Apparently not.

[leifastagsweed]

Here's an article:

https://www.newsweek.com/portland-federal-agents-destroying-medical-supplies-1519945

[Tgo01]

Here's an article:

https://www.newsweek.com/portland-federal-agents-destroying-medical-supplies-1519945

What was that about "dehumanizing of others"?

The Geneva Convention refers to two sides at war. Are you openly admitting the "protesters" are really at war with the US government? Because if so I say yeah, stop "destroying medical supplies" and start arresting these people and throwing them in jail for sedition and treason.

[FlayedAngel]

In another tweet, he added: "Attacking medical units violates half a dozen conventions and international statutes, not only Geneva Convention but also International Criminal Court statutes. But hey, Chad Wolf, Bill Barr, and Trump say it's okay!"

According to the same article, there's that as well.

[FlayedAngel]

It's also just an extremely shitty thing to do.

[Tgo01]

According to the same article, there's that as well.

Again that's for war. Otherwise all of those people who looted pharmacies a few weeks ago would all be guilty of war crimes. That sounds absolutely dumb doesn't it?


It's also just an extremely shitty thing to do.

I wish we had more context but I'm assuming they either weren't specifically targeting the medical supplies, they were targeting masks because they often destroy things that help with tear gas (like bottles of water rioters usually have on hand in preparation for their tea parties being tear gassed), or this is all fake news.

I'm leaning towards the last one.

[FlayedAngel]

Not what I've heard from people that were there, but lean however you want.

[Solkern]

The Geneva Convention refers to two sides at war. Are you openly admitting the "protesters" are really at war with the US government? Because if so I say yeah, stop "destroying medical supplies" and start arresting these people and throwing them in jail for sedition and treason.

Are you sure? Maybe you should go back and read article 3 of the Geneva convention.

[Tgo01]

Are you sure? Maybe you should go back and read article 3 of the Geneva convention.


Article 3 is applicable in case of armed conflict not of international character occurring in the territory of one of the contracting parties to the 1949 Conventions. It also applies to a situation where the conflict is within the State, between the Government and the rebel forces or between the rebel forces themselves

Like I said I'm all for classifying these goons as "rebel forces" if that's what they really want, then their precious medical supplies would be all kinds of protected. Too bad the full force of the US military would then be utilized and their bible reading classes would be over with within 24 hours.

[Solkern]

Like I said I'm all for classifying these goons as "rebel forces" if that's what they really want, then their precious medical supplies would be all kinds of protected. Too bad the full force of the US military would then be utilized and their bible reading classes would be over with within 24 hours.


Why don’t you read a little more about it, you might understand that it goes a little deeper, and not just related to “rebel forces”

[Solkern]

The ambiguity surrounding the article had been used by states to further limit its applicability. The problem with this article is that it is applicable only to a situation, which is an “armed conflict”. However, the term “armed conflict” has not been defined in the Convention. In the absence of the definition of armed conflict, it is left to the state to determine whether an armed conflict exists or not. In practice, low intensity conflicts are not considered as armed conflict. Jean S. Pictet, in his commentary to the Geneva Conventions, says that the armed conflict referred to in article 3 is relating to “armed forces on either side engaged in hostilities – conflicts, in short, which are in many respects similar to an international war, but take place within the confines of a single country”[7]. Civil conflict and rebellion can thus be treated as an non-international armed conflict when the state party wishes to treat this as an non-international armed conflict[8]. Nonetheless, states can deny the applicability of common article 3 to a situation of armed conflict. In times of disagreement with regard to the application of common article 3, the only applicable criteria is the intensity of violence[9].

Here I bolded the text for you.

[Bhaalizmo]

The author did not use the word wrong. I am not here to answer the question you asked. My only part in this discussion was to point out that Tgo01 is dumb.

Thank you, I think that's sort've the general consensus around the politics sub-forum these days. Minus 3 - 5 dissenters.

[Tgo01]

The ambiguity surrounding the article had been used by states to further limit its applicability. The problem with this article is that it is applicable only to a situation, which is an “armed conflict”. However, the term “armed conflict” has not been defined in the Convention. In the absence of the definition of armed conflict, it is left to the state to determine whether an armed conflict exists or not. In practice, low intensity conflicts are not considered as armed conflict. Jean S. Pictet, in his commentary to the Geneva Conventions, says that the armed conflict referred to in article 3 is relating to “armed forces on either side engaged in hostilities – conflicts, in short, which are in many respects similar to an international war, but take place within the confines of a single country”[7]. Civil conflict and rebellion can thus be treated as an non-international armed conflict when the state party wishes to treat this as an non-international armed conflict[8]. Nonetheless, states can deny the applicability of common article 3 to a situation of armed conflict. In times of disagreement with regard to the application of common article 3, the only applicable criteria is the intensity of violence[9].

Here I bolded the text for you.

Yes, a civil conflict would indeed be a non-international armed conflict.

What do you think "civil conflict" means in this context?

How "intense" is the violence currently going on in Portland? Do you think it rises to the level of armed conflict between state and rebels?

[Solkern]

Yes, a civil conflict would indeed be a non-international armed conflict.

What do you think "civil conflict" means in this context?

How "intense" is the violence currently going on in Portland? Do you think it rises to the level of armed conflict between state and rebels?

Did violence intensity increase? Yes. So it can fall under article 3. that's it. It doesn't matter what you label it, or them, rebels, civil conflict, or war.

that's your issue, you think there is some kind of way to measure the conflict, that we have some type of grading scale.

[Tgo01]

Did violence intensity increase? Yes. So it can fall under article 3. that's it. It doesn't matter what you label it, or them, rebels, civil conflict, or war.

Actually what it says is:


Nonetheless, states can deny the applicability of common article 3 to a situation of armed conflict. In times of disagreement with regard to the application of common article 3, the only applicable criteria is the intensity of violence

First of all it very clearly talked about "armed conflict", is what's going on in Portland an armed conflict?

Secondly it says in times of "disagreement" the only applicable criteria is the intensity of violence, it doesn't merely state that the intensity has been increased.

[Bobmuhthol]

Tgo01 still hasn't learned to think critically? What a shame.

[Solkern]

Actually what it says is:



First of all it very clearly talked about "armed conflict", is what's going on in Portland an armed conflict?

Secondly it says in times of "disagreement" the only applicable criteria is the intensity of violence, it doesn't merely state that the intensity has been increased.


exactly, so if violence intensifies, it can fall under arcile 3, now please, tgo, show me the scale that they have in place to grade the amount of violence needed to fall under article 3. let me know when you find it.

oh that's right, there is none, it's up to people to decide it.

[Solkern]

Here tgo, let me try and help you

In times of disagreement with regard to the application of common article 3, the only applicable criteria is the intensity of violence[9].


do you understand what that means? "in times of disagreement" that means if proper people can't decide if it falls under article 3 or not, they only criteria the can use is the intensity of violence. but who is judge of that? You? Me? exactly, it's up the people in charge of these laws/treaties.

You really need to practice your regarding comprehension. It's seriously lacking lately. Is there violence in Portland? Yes, has it intensified lately? Yes. Seems like it could fall under Article 3, of the Geneva Convention.

[Solkern]

Tgo01 still hasn't learned to think critically? What a shame.

No matter how simple you make it, or what is said, he'll always pick out just the specific pieces that support his argument, and ignore everything else. If that fails, he tries to make words mean completely different things to fit his narrative. When that fails, he resorts to insults, after that he just ignores you until a few pages later, and starts his cycle all over again.

BTW tgo, it's shit like this, that makes you a far right wing conservative.

[Tgo01]

show me the scale that they have in place to grade the amount of violence needed to fall under article 3. let me know when you find it.

oh that's right, there is none


The common article 3 is applicable to civil wars and at the same time it is not applicable either to civil commotion or to the low intensity armed rebellion.

Hmm, I guess the "grade" that you said didn't exist is there after all.

So it applies to civil wars but not applicable to civil commotion or low intensity armed rebellion. We aren't even at the armed rebellion phase yet, much less "low intensity armed rebellion."

[Tgo01]

BTW tgo, it's shit like this, that makes you a far right wing conservative.

Knowing what I'm talking about makes me a far right wing conservative? If that's the case I'll wear that badge with honor.

[FlayedAngel]

Knowing what I'm talking about makes me a far right wing conservative? If that's the case I'll wear that badge with honor.
Yeah, we know.

[Tgo01]

Yeah, we know.

Everyone knows that I know what I'm talking about? Finally some progress around here.

[FlayedAngel]

Everyone knows that I know what I'm talking about? Finally some progress around here.
You're half right, in that we all know what you're talking about.

[Alashir]

You're half right, in that we all know what you're talking about.

Lol I don't normally like to engage in verbal fisticuffs but this was funny.

[Solkern]

Knowing what I'm talking about makes me a far right wing conservative? If that's the case I'll wear that badge with honor.


You still don’t get it do you? Since their is no specific grade, that’s why they say “in times of disagreement” is it that hard for you to understand that?

[Solkern]

Hmm, I guess the "grade" that you said didn't exist is there after all.

So it applies to civil wars but not applicable to civil commotion or low intensity armed rebellion. We aren't even at the armed rebellion phase yet, much less "low intensity armed rebellion."


Please tell me Tgo, how do you define the difference between low intensity, medium intensity and high intensity? Let me know when you figure that out.

[Tgo01]

Please tell me Tgo, how do you define the difference between low intensity, medium intensity and high intensity? Let me know when you figure that out.

Okay, Solkern, I just want to make sure I understand your position on everything we have discussed.

You think the riots in Portland either amount to a civil conflict, a rebellion, an armed conflict, something more than a civil commotion or low intensity armed rebellion? I just want to make sure this is what you are saying. Or are you just another Bob who isn't interested in discussion at all but rather just arguing with me so you can make shit up and call me stupid for calling you out on said made up shit?

[Tgo01]

Marine vet holds US flag high amid chaotic Portland protest, gets followed home by Antifa (https://www.foxnews.com/media/flag-bearing-marine-veteran-recalls-horrific-experience-within-portland-riots)


Living only a block away from the Mark O. Hatfield U.S. Courthouse in downtown Portland, which has become an epicenter of violence that has overtaken the city, Johnson marched into the chaos with his American flag in hand.

...

“I was being called the N-word by Black people. People were chasing me around with baseball bats,” Johnson told Fox News.

...

“Antifa has infiltrated Black Lives Matter,” Johnson said as he described a woman dressed in Black Lives Matter gear who showed him threatening footage of protesters following him back to his home, and letting him know they were keeping tabs on him. According to Johnson, this woman was also holding an Antifa pen and was communicating with others via walkie-talkie.

...

Another scene that left him in utter dismay was seeing a 65-year-old Black veteran attempt to stop the burning of Johnson’s flag, only to be beaten by alleged Black Lives Matter protesters.

“He said, 'there's no way you're gonna burn this flag.’ That was followed up by Black Lives Matter, Black men, running after this man, punching him in his face, grabbing the flag and throwing it over the fence,” said Johnson as he emotionally recalled the horrific incident.

These poor, misunderstood Sunday school teachers. These pasty faced white people terrorized one black man and physically assaulted another for going against the white narrative.

Keep your heads buried deep in the sand and pretend this is all for Black Lives Matter.

[Solkern]

Okay, Solkern, I just want to make sure I understand your position on everything we have discussed.

You think the riots in Portland either amount to a civil conflict, a rebellion, an armed conflict, something more than a civil commotion or low intensity armed rebellion? I just want to make sure this is what you are saying. Or are you just another Bob who isn't interested in discussion at all but rather just arguing with me so you can make shit up and call me stupid for calling you out on said made up shit?

Obviously it’s a civil conflict, and a police vs civilian conflict.

[Tgo01]

Obviously it’s a civil conflict, and a police vs civilian conflict.

Whew boy.

[Solkern]

Whew boy.


Please tgo, define what exactly a civil conflict is?
A simple street brawl can be a civil conflict.

But stick with that one mind set. It’s working for you! /end sarcasm

[Tgo01]

Please tgo, define what exactly a civil conflict is?
A simple street brawl can be a civil conflict.

But stick with that one mind set. It’s working for you! /end sarcasm

Yes, Solkern, clearly the Geneva Convention was created to apply to every instance of a street brawl or an interaction between a government official and a civilian.

[Solkern]

Yes, Solkern, clearly the Geneva Convention was created to apply to every instance of a street brawl or an interaction between a government official and a civilian.

Dude, you STILL don't get it. literally you are either stupid, or blinded against just facts, and information.
Obviously it's not supposed to be used for shit like that, NO SHIT dumb fuck, but because of the wording of it, it technically COULD be used. you need to start accepting facts that you don't agree with.

another reason you are a crazy far right-wing nut job. You are literally the living embodiment of Exclusivism. Even when other right-wing people don't agree with you completely, they are 100% wrong and only you are right. I don't think I have ever seen you admit, that you were wrong when it was regarding politics, or coronavirus. I could probably safely say, I don't think anyone here has ever seen it.

[Tgo01]

Dude, you STILL don't get it. literally you are either stupid, or blinded against just facts, and information.
Obviously it's not supposed to be used for shit like that, NO SHIT dumb fuck, but because of the wording of it, it technically COULD be used. you need to start accepting facts that you don't agree with.

another reason you are a crazy far right-wing nut job. You are literally the living embodiment of Exclusivism. Even when other right-wing people don't agree with you completely, they are 100% wrong and only you are right. I don't think I have ever seen you admit, that you were wrong when it was regarding politics, or coronavirus. I could probably safely say, I don't think anyone here has ever seen it.

In an effort to protect my sanity I am limiting myself to reading/replying to three of your senseless rambling posts per day. This is already number two! Don't squander these precious gifts I am bestowing upon you. Use them wisely.

[Tgo01]

https://twitter.com/VenturaReport/status/1286535524820238338?s=20

Black white supremacists are the absolute worst.

[Bhaalizmo]

https://twitter.com/VenturaReport/status/1286535524820238338?s=20

Black white supremacists are the absolute worst.

Except when you know, compared to actual white supremacists. Which you'll never diss. Cause you love em.

[FlayedAngel]

You mean like when she compared ICE agents to Nazis running concentration camps, called them rapists, called them dangerous, and said their presence was a step towards the US becoming a fascist country?
https://media.tenor.com/images/95b47b281b4338eb2fa415a81a763a5a/tenor.gif



That sort of "dehumanizing of others"? Or is that okay because she's a Democrat?

No comment I see.
I'm not sure you're in a position to critique anyone about hyperbolic language, my dude.



https://twitter.com/VenturaReport/status/1286535524820238338?s=20

Black white supremacists are the absolute worst.
What part of "they aren't all the same" escaped you? Congratulations on expanding your viewpoint for, like... five seconds.

But to add a little backstory to this, from a friend's account:


We live right off the bridge many are walking over during protests, we watched them walk by our windows and over the bridge nightly for weeks. The protest area, occupies about a 3 square block radius total, in an otherwise mostly unaffected city. The people out there are city council members, firefighters, district attorneys, doctors, veterans, moms, dads, grandmas, and grandpas. Just some of those I've seen, know, or heard about in live streams. It's not thugs and punks.

The first few weeks people were there with their dogs and small children as well, I saw many parents walking with 5 and 6-year-olds in the early days of the protest because it was entirely peaceful and safe. Music played, food was handed out, people laughed and shared stories while chanting the names of some of those lost to police violence. Then officers started gassing those mixed crowds including kids like it was an angry mob without regard for safety, justified by a few people breaking or damaging property. I personally watched the live streams where much of that early damage happened, which was a single person breaking windows down a single street, 1 guy.

Those were the pictures the news grabbed, and I watched it happen, live. That's the "riot" everyone was responding to and that was the justification for launching projectiles into a crowd of families.

At every turn it's been police of some kind escalating to violence, resulting in angry crowds frustrated at the tone-deaf response. Officers outfitted with militarized riot gear and weapons standing against families with at worst angry teenagers throwing water bottles. That was the first wave of "riots" I personally witnessed.

The second wave was more prepared and angrier than the first, they had now experienced the trauma of excessive tear gas and being shot at by rubber bullets that ripped through people's flesh in a way that could barely be defined as "less lethal". They watched families grab children and run only to be boxed in by officers forcing them to inhale dangerous gas rather than allow them to leave the scene. At this same time live streamers and the media were being targeted ON CAMERA and shot at, again on camera. Medics treating those with bloody open wounds were targeted and shot at ON CAMERA, wounds left by soldiers against civilians. I saw all of this, with my own eyes.

Then Facebook and other sites began removing some of these streams, the records of their actions gone. Some are still around, many are not. Parents stopped bringing children, dogs stayed at home, and the crowd got angrier. The crowd changed, families were replaced by those willing to fight a war, the angriest, toughest, strongest, and often youngest among us. They were shot, they were hurt, they were arrested, and the families got angry and came back (without small children).

The police began to retreat and became less violent all-be-it still unnecessarily so. But there were fewer and fewer police and fewer and fewer protesters. The last group we saw walk by our apartment before federal occupation was maybe 50-100 people, compared with the 10,000 I saw during early protests. Enter the federal militarized soldiers. They attacked this group with more force and disregard for safety than any Portland police officer during the entirety of the previous weeks of protests.

What they did was create a violent mob where one did not exist before and fanned that flame with military armed, AGGRESSIVE, federal force untrained in crowd control. They broke federal laws, violated the constitution, grabbed people off the street when no crimes had been committed, detained federal employees for "being brown", and terrorized anyone in their line of sight regardless of protest participation or not.

Now the families are back and the group has grown. Those willing to fight are in front, their goal is no longer to simply protest, they are there to provoke and get the world's attention (some agree with them and some do not but many stand behind them regardless). Behind that group are the families back standing with and protected by their children and young people. The only "angry mob" is a direct result of a federal occupation the city council, mayor, and governor have all condemned. The state and city do not want them here and they have harassed, provoked, and nearly killed people in the short time they have been in this city. Those you see on the news are the strongest among us pushing back, provoking, and responding to an unwanted occupying force. But they got your attention, didn't they?

That is what is happening.

[Solkern]

In an effort to protect my sanity I am limiting myself to reading/replying to three of your senseless rambling posts per day. This is already number two! Don't squander these precious gifts I am bestowing upon you. Use them wisely.

Ahh, so tgo, has given the public a reason now on why he ignores my post that he already ignores. Gotcha. No worries, I understand you are still triggered that I, and no one else held your hand when the big kids were calling you names.

https://i.imgur.com/pjlTbIa.jpg

Please fill this out tgo, and submit it to Kranar.

[Tgo01]

Except when you know, compared to actual white supremacists. Which you'll never diss. Cause you love em.

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/ColdNegligibleDaddylonglegs-small.gif

[Tgo01]

I'm not sure you're in a position to critique anyone about hyperbolic language, my dude.

Let's see...am I in a position of power like the US congress making sweeping generalizations and harmful accusations towards federal employees?

Nope. Don't believe I am.

I think I'm in the perfect position to critique AOC.


What part of "they aren't all the same" escaped you? Congratulations on expanding your viewpoint for, like... five seconds.

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/ColdNegligibleDaddylonglegs-small.gif

It's like shooting fish in a barrel today.

[FlayedAngel]

Sure, soft-pedal more.

[Tgo01]

Ahh, so tgo, has given the public a reason now on why he ignores my post that he already ignores. Gotcha. No worries, I understand you are still triggered that I, and no one else held your hand when the big kids were calling you names.

https://i.imgur.com/pjlTbIa.jpg

Please fill this out tgo, and submit it to Kranar.

You blew it, Solkern! You fucking blew it!

Maybe tomorrow you will spend your 3 Tgo01 wishes a little bit more wisely. May God have mercy on your soul.

[Tgo01]

Sure, soft-pedal more.

Did you...did you think I was really calling them black white supremacists or that I thought all black people were the same?

[FlayedAngel]

Let's see...am I in a position of power like the US congress making sweeping generalizations and harmful accusations towards federal employees?

I think I'm in the perfect position to critique AOC.
You might would be, if your critiques had any substance to them -- but sure, I can shit all over Trump, if you'd like.

[Tgo01]

You might would be, if your critiques had any substance to them -- but sure, I can shit all over Trump, if you'd like.

Like you weren't going to shit on Trump until I called out AOC's nonsense.

And my critiques don't have substance to them? You mean it's okay to imply ICE agents are Nazis running concentration camps?

Oh, right, I forgot, it's okay to stereotype people and demonize them as long as they are in a position of authority.

Wait a minute! AOC is a sitting US congresswoman, one of the most powerful positions of authority in the entire world! Doesn't that mean it's okay for me to go around and teach kids as young as 2 to say "FUCK AOC!" and to teach her that all Democrat politicians are bad people?

It's time for everyone's favorite game: "Hoop jumping Democrats!"

Let's see how this week's contest jumps through hoops to explain why it's okay to stereotype police officers but why it's bad to use a congressperson's own words to show how bad that one particular politician is.

And GO!

[Solkern]

You blew it, Solkern! You fucking blew it!

Maybe tomorrow you will spend your 3 Tgo01 wishes a little bit more wisely. May God have mercy on your soul.

Oh noes! A far right wing nut job, that lives on these boards is going to ignore me! What will I ever do!?

The funny thing is, after I called his ass out about how he lives on these forums, he barely logged in the next day, yet look at him now, back at it, just can’t stay away! He probably thought to himself, “ha I showed Solkern! Someone, please hold his hands when the big kids make fun of him. He needs the support.

[Parkbandit]

Oh noes! A far right wing nut job, that lives on these boards is going to ignore me! What will I ever do!?

The funny thing is, after I called his ass out about how he lives on these forums, he barely logged in the next day, yet look at him now, back at it, just can’t stay away! He probably thought to himself, “ha I showed Solkern! Someone, please hold his hands when the big kids make fun of him. He needs the support.

LOL look at the ego on this guy.

[Solkern]

Here comes Solkern, tarding up everything again.

So quiet when all of the Democrats are implying or flat out calling me a racist. I give his new best friend a taste of his own medicine (except there is more weight in my accusations) and suddenly Tgo has gone too far! That's too mean!


Look at him, crying when people are making fun of him, and no one defended him. He needs his support group when the other kids call him names.

[Solkern]

LOL look at the ego on this guy.


Look who jumps into the fray!! PB coming to Togo’s rescue! What excuse will you give him? Is he jet lagged?

[FlayedAngel]

Like you weren't going to shit on Trump until I called out AOC's nonsense.
Have I shit on Trump lately?



And my critiques don't have substance to them? You mean it's okay to imply ICE agents are Nazis running concentration camps?

Oh, right, I forgot, it's okay to stereotype people and demonize them as long as they are in a position of authority.

Wait a minute! AOC is a sitting US congresswoman, one of the most powerful positions of authority in the entire world! Doesn't that mean it's okay for me to go around and teach kids as young as 2 to say "FUCK AOC!" and to teach her that all Democrat politicians are bad people?

It's time for everyone's favorite game: "Hoop jumping Democrats!"

Let's see how this week's contest jumps through hoops to explain why it's okay to stereotype police officers but why it's bad to use a congressperson's own words to show how bad that one particular politician is.

And GO!

https://i.imgur.com/pjlTbIa.jpg

[Tgo01]

https://i.imgur.com/pjlTbIa.jpg

Just gonna copy the answer from a previous contestant I see. No prize winnings for you today I'm afraid.

[FlayedAngel]

Just gonna copy the answer from a previous contestant I see. No prize winnings for you today I'm afraid.
I've already pointed out that your comparisons are silly -- that's self-evident, and to do so any further would just be redundant.

[Tgo01]

I've already pointed out that your comparisons are silly -- that's self-evident, and to do so any further would just be redundant.

I already said no prizes for your attempt, too late to try a different answer.

[FlayedAngel]

I already said no prizes for your attempt, too late to try a different answer.
But MOOOOOOOOOM!!

[Solkern]

But MOOOOOOOOOM!!

PB is on the way!

[Solkern]

Here comes Solkern, tarding up everything again.

So quiet when all of the Democrats are implying or flat out calling me a racist. I give his new best friend a taste of his own medicine (except there is more weight in my accusations) and suddenly Tgo has gone too far! That's too mean!

You're so phony, Solkern. If you're trying to take over for Seran in his absence recently then I say BRAVO! Great job. You do morons the world over proud.




Now here comes the attacks on me.
1. What people call you, is none of my concern, now is it? Why should I be concerned what they call you? Am I your daddy? Do you need me to give you support while the other kids make fun of you? You want special treatment? You call people shit all the time, yet, you cry when it gets done to you. That’s funny.
2. My new best friend? I have no friends here, I don’t know anyone here.
3. Deflect more Tg01. It’s what you're best at.
4. I don’t read every post, if I see anything that remotely looks like flaming or insults, I usually just skip over it and not waste my time.

Still waiting tgo, still waiting. Do you want me to be your daddy when all the kids call you bad names?

[Tgo01]

Still waiting tgo, still waiting. Do you want me to be your daddy when all the kids call you bad names?

You seem kind of obsessed with me.

If you want me to give you lessons in how to be cool just ask, but remember you're only limited to 3 posts a day and this is the third for today so be sure to ask tomorrow.

[Solkern]

You seem kind of obsessed with me.

If you want me to give you lessons in how to be cool just ask, but remember you're only limited to 3 posts a day and this is the third for today so be sure to ask tomorrow.


Does tgo, want a cracker? SAD!

[Parkbandit]

Look who jumps into the fray!! PB coming to Togo’s rescue! What excuse will you give him? Is he jet lagged?

Calling you a retard for believing you stopped Tgo01 from posting for a day isn't defending him.

It's literally just calling you a fucking retard.

Because you are.

[Solkern]

Calling you a retard for believing you stopped Tgo01 from posting for a day isn't defending him.

It's literally just calling you a fucking retard.

Because you are.

Flayedangel, told you his mom would show up! Took a bit as she’s a little old.
PB, it’s ok, I‘m a little surprised you had trouble understanding sarcasm and giving people shit, which is strange since you do it non-stop... must be that jet lag, get some rest.

[Parkbandit]

Flayedangel, told you his mom would show up! Took a bit as she’s a little old.
PB, it’s ok, I‘m a little surprised you had trouble understanding sarcasm and giving people shit, which is strange since you do it non-stop... must be that jet lag, get some rest.

I can't believe I just made you post this response. I'm fucking amazing.

[Tgo01]

Oregon Loses Fight With Trump on U.S. Policing of Portland (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-07-24/oregon-is-denied-temporary-bar-on-u-s-agents-portland-conduct?cmpid%3D)


Oregon Attorney General Ellen Rosenblum had asked a federal judge to stop Department of Homeland Security agents and U.S. Marshals from detaining or arresting people without identifying themselves and without probable cause, a warrant or any explanation.

...

But she stumbled when she proposed that the conduct could lead to kidnappings by counterprotesters posing as police.

“It requires me to assume that such nefarious characters are willing to dress up like federal agents and willing to commit the very serious crime of kidnapping, but that they would blanch at the thought of identifying themselves as police,” the judge wrote.

Yeah this AG is dumb as dog shit.

"They need to be forced to identify themselves or else anyone could just dress up as federal agents and kidnap people!!!!11111!!"

"Wait...so you're saying someone is willing to dress up as a federal agent, drive around in a van and kidnap people, but this could all be prevented because such a person wouldn't also be willing to say they are with law enforcement?"

https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/2020/07/federal-judge-finds-state-lacks-standing-denies-oregon-attorney-generals-motion-to-restrict-federal-police-actions.html


Mosman said in his ruling that “the State has presented just one example of an arrest without probable cause and one example of an unreasonable seizure. That is the sum total of the evidence before me that underpins the legal injuries the State asserts in its brief. In both instances of a federal seizure it is either admitted or clearly visible that the agents’ uniforms say ‘Police.‘”

Beyond the two examples, the state failed to show that the federal officers were involved in any widespread, unlawful practice or that others would be harmed in the future, Mosman found.

“It has presented no evidence of any official orders or policies and has presented no evidence that these allegedly illegal seizures are a widespread practice,” the judge wrote. “Despite the broad language in the complaint, Oregon has shown — at most — that this type of seizure has happened twice.”

So much for federal officials apparently admitting to violating the constitution. It's such a widespread action that the state could only come up with 2 examples and even the judge was like "Bitch, are you for real?"

[Tgo01]

Antifa militant arrested for stabbing black Trump supporter in Portland (https://thepostmillennial.com/antifa-militant-arrested-for-stabbing-black-trump-supporter-in-portland)

Black Lives Matter!

Oh wait, a black Trump supporter? Never mind!

[Ashlander]

Antifa militant arrested for stabbing black Trump supporter in Portland (https://thepostmillennial.com/antifa-militant-arrested-for-stabbing-black-trump-supporter-in-portland)

Black Lives Matter!

Oh wait, a black Trump supporter? Never mind!

Clearly he wasn't really black otherwise he'd be voting for Biden.

[Tgo01]

Clearly he wasn't really black otherwise he'd be voting for Biden.

Oh yeah.

[FlayedAngel]

Oregon Loses Fight With Trump on U.S. Policing of Portland (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-07-24/oregon-is-denied-temporary-bar-on-u-s-agents-portland-conduct?cmpid%3D)

Yeah this AG is dumb as dog shit.

"They need to be forced to identify themselves or else anyone could just dress up as federal agents and kidnap people!!!!11111!!"

"Wait...so you're saying someone is willing to dress up as a federal agent, drive around in a van and kidnap people, but this could all be prevented because such a person wouldn't also be willing to say they are with law enforcement?"

https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/2020/07/federal-judge-finds-state-lacks-standing-denies-oregon-attorney-generals-motion-to-restrict-federal-police-actions.html

So much for federal officials apparently admitting to violating the constitution. It's such a widespread action that the state could only come up with 2 examples and even the judge was like "Bitch, are you for real?"
I suppose that's one takeaway you could have from that, sure.

https://media3.giphy.com/media/qmfpjpAT2fJRK/200.gif

[Tgo01]

I suppose that's one takeaway you could have from that, sure.

It's the only takeaway, yes.

If you're taking this to court to prove how corrupt and evil the feds are you better bring all the evidence, so either this AG is the laziest mofo to ever mofo, or he could only produce two instances of the feds apparently openly admitting to violating the constitution.

[FlayedAngel]

It's the only takeaway, yes.
I'm shocked you hold this opinion about something... shocked, I say.



If you're taking this to court to prove how corrupt and evil the feds are you better bring all the evidence, so either this AG is the laziest mofo to ever mofo, or he could only produce two instances of the feds apparently openly admitting to violating the constitution.
She. If you're referring to AG Rosenblum, she's the "laziest mofo ever."



Trump warned he would send federal officers to Chicago and other cities as well, drawing criticism from local officials, Democrats, civil libertarians and others. Amid poor re-election polling, the president and his allies have seized on the protests to paint Democratic-controlled cities as letting “anarchists” and criminals run wild, even though the vast majority of protests around the country have been peaceful.

Rosenblum called the ruling “extremely troubling.”

The judge stopped short of voicing wholesale approval of the federal agents’ tactics. He noted that the government had no response to a protester who claimed he was detained while walking home on July 15 after peacefully participating in a Black Lives Matter demonstration.
Yes, this is all very good news.

[Tgo01]

She. If you're referring to AG Rosenblum, she's the "laziest mofo ever."

Don't be silly, only men can be lawyers. It's in the name.


Yes, this is all very good news.

Your first quote is literally just opinions, not really news.

Second quote is once again just an opinion.

The third quote is the only real news. Maybe the feds fucked up on one detention. Shit happens. Do we stop all law enforcement because of one fuck up? The answer is no. That's not an opinion, that's just a fact.

[FlayedAngel]

Don't be silly, only men can be lawyers. It's in the name.
What's next, woman doctors?! I mean, where does it end... amirite?



Your first quote is literally just opinions, not really news.
Your statement about her being dumb as dog shit and the laziest mofo ever was also opinion, not sure what your point is.

And those are both quotes from the articles you linked.

[Tgo01]

Your statement about her being dumb as dog shit and the laziest mofo ever was also opinion, not sure what your point is.

My point is a random conservative’s opinion on the internet is worth the opinion of 100 liberals.

[FlayedAngel]

My point is a random conservative’s opinion on the internet is worth the opinion of 100 liberals.
https://64.media.tumblr.com/9629cd0b79c27359713405f9c194e0cc/tumblr_inline_mi7z5bAFs41qz4rgp.gif

[FlayedAngel]

A new foe has appeared!

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/25/us/a-wall-of-vets-joins-the-front-lines-of-portland-protests.html

[Tgo01]

A new foe has appeared!

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/25/us/a-wall-of-vets-joins-the-front-lines-of-portland-protests.html

Are these actual vets or is it like the mom wall that was just a bunch of protesters/rioters who put on orange shirts and called themselves the mom wall to garner media sympathy?

[FlayedAngel]

Are these actual vets or is it like the mom wall that was just a bunch of protesters/rioters who put on orange shirts and called themselves the mom wall to garner media sympathy?
Do you earnestly believe that?

[FlayedAngel]

Wait, nevermind... that's a stupid question.

[Tgo01]

Do you earnestly believe that?

I seen the videos with my own two eyes so yes I believe my own two eyes over anything a bunch of people trying to burn down a federal courthouse say.

Perhaps it’s time we all started believing our own eyes over the narrative we want to believe.

[FlayedAngel]

I seen the videos with my own two eyes so yes I believe my own two eyes over anything a bunch of people trying to burn down a federal courthouse say.

Perhaps it’s time we all started believing our own eyes over the narrative we want to believe.
You watched videos on the Internet, congratulations.

You've made it abundantly clear what narrative you want to believe, despite the fact that numerous people have continued warning the outside world how the situation is being twisted to support false narratives. Sources that are, in many cases, people that actually live here and have been in the thick of it from day one. Videos are not infallible, and are not always an entirely accurate portrayal of a situation; they can sometimes lack important larger contexts and misconstrue or omit what's happened extradiegetically, as the recent video of Sandmann illustrated. They're perfectly fine for the most part, but they aren't absolute -- that's where critical thinking and other epistemic sources come in.

You can believe whatever you want, that doesn't always mean that your narrative is supported or substantive.

[FlayedAngel]

Is it wrong that I thought of Buffalo Bill from Silence of the Lambs when I saw this image?

"I'd free me... I'd free me hard."

https://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/2020/07/24/USAT/aa8c3093-ecaf-47f1-b86b-9d5c669be436-XXX_TH__portland_protests_2020_491.JPG?crop=2347,1 321,x0,y319&width=2347&height=1321&format=pjpg&auto=webp

[Tgo01]

You watched videos on the Internet, congratulations.

Interesting hand-waving, like I just said I watched Sean Hannity and he told me the truth.

"So you saw videos where the 'moms' joined the rioters and helped to try and break down the doors to the federal courthouse after the news crews left. So what? That proves nothing. Remember I live here, I know everything that happens in Portland so you lose."

These jackasses also write "PRESS" all over their clothes and helmets in an attempt to pretend to be with the press so if police hit them with pepper spray or arrest them or something it will make the news that the police are being meanie heads to a member of the press.

There really isn't much to debate if your response to each and every argument is you live in Portland so therefore you have some inside knowledge.

[Tgo01]

https://twitter.com/ShelbyTalcott/status/1287242362364637185?s=20

Antifa goons in Portland chanting: "Every city, every town, burn the precincts to the ground."

I don't know though, FlayedAngel, I need the insight of someone who lives in Portland. Do they REALLY mean "every city, every town, burn the precincts to the ground" or is there some sort of coded language I'm not understanding where this really means "We are peaceful protesters! End police brutality! Black Lives Matter!"

Please advise.

While I have a Portlander here can you tell me about the lasers the rioters shine at the police, are they shining them in the eyes of officers in an attempt to blind them (they may have already permanently blinded 3 officers), or are they concerned the police and their fellow protesters are bored so are attempting to put on a laser light show they practiced together on at the local rec center?

[Tgo01]

The president of the Portland chapter of the NAACP is the worst black white supremacist of them all: (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/07/23/portlands-protests-were-supposed-be-about-black-lives-now-theyre-white-spectacle/)


Images of “Naked Athena,” as the protester has been labeled, have gone viral, her unclothed confrontation with police earning her accolades as a brave ally of the cause. But I see something else: a beneficiary of white privilege dancing vainly on a stage that was originally created to raise up the voices of my oppressed brothers and sisters. In this, she is not alone. As the demonstrations continue every night in Portland, many people with their own agendas are co-opting, and distracting attention from, what should be our central concern: the Black Lives Matter movement.


Unfortunately, “spectacle” is now the best way to describe Portland’s protests. Vandalizing government buildings and hurling projectiles at law enforcement draw attention — but how do these actions stop police from killing black people? What are antifa and other leftist agitators achieving for the cause of black equality? The “Wall of Moms,” while perhaps well-intentioned, ends up redirecting attention away from the urgent issue of murdered black bodies. This might ease the consciences of white, affluent women who have previously been silent in the face of black oppression, but it’s fair to ask: Are they really furthering the cause of justice, or is this another example of white co-optation?

I can't believe he just tossed around the labels "Antifa" and "leftist agitators" so casually like that. If I didn't know any better I would say he doesn't really live in Portland.

[Shaps]

Just had the best idea.. the Federal Agents protecting federal property should spray down all the streets around the building with a super slippery substance, then cover that with bubble/foam spray.. when the rioters start coming in, just hose the living hell out of them with water and get them all lost in the foam while they slip and slide around.

Non-lethal, effective, and would be funny to watch.

Edit: OR! from the rooftops of the federal building in all directions have hoses set up on the roofs that continuously rains down water - like a lot of water - just a fucking downpour onto the streets in about a 40 foot diameter around it. Most people can't stand being wet that long, and I doubt those jackass rioters would want their I-phones damaged from a 24-7 downpour.

[Tgo01]

Just had the best idea.. the Federal Agents protecting federal property should spray down all the streets around the building with a super slippery substance, then cover that with bubble/foam spray.. when the rioters start coming in, just hose the living hell out of them with water and get them all lost in the foam while they slip and slide around.

Non-lethal, effective, and would be funny to watch.

Plus they would get a shower for the first time in weeks.

[Tgo01]

Downtown Portland businesses, derailed by pandemic, say protests present a new challenge (https://www.oregonlive.com/coronavirus/2020/07/downtown-portland-businesses-derailed-by-pandemic-say-protests-present-a-new-challenge.html)


But downtown Portland business owners say they are facing unique challenges as they try to recover from the economic devastation brought on by the pandemic. Many point to the raucous protests downtown and the controversial federal response, which have put the city atop national headlines.

While most of downtown is tranquil, and nearly all confrontations between protestors and police take place late at night, the nightly protests have given Portland a reputation for upheaval that businesses say is keeping shoppers away.

...

Murfitt, like other downtown businesses owners that spoke to the Oregonian/OregonLive, said he supports the cause of racial justice. But he is not sympathetic to those that have used the movement as a cover for looting and violence. He said he hopes his store can reopen in August, but said he needs assurances that his business will be protected.

...

Stacey Gibson, who owns several Subway stores, including one downtown, said she followed the lead of neighboring businesses by boarding up the windows on her store following the May 30 riot. But she said customers didn’t seem to realize that the store was open with the windows boarded. Sales, which were already suffering, plummeted.

Much of downtown still remains boarded up. Pioneer Place, downtown’s shopping hub, left boards up on its windows when it reopened the mall on June 23. Nearly half of the businesses within Pioneer Place have opted not to reopen.

What a bunch of white supremacists. I bet they don't even live in Portland.

[FlayedAngel]

Interesting hand-waving, like I just said I watched Sean Hannity and he told me the truth.
Sure, dude.

Here's the actual substance of what I said, again:

You've made it abundantly clear what narrative you want to believe, despite the fact that numerous people have continued warning the outside world how the situation is being twisted to support false narratives. Sources that are, in many cases, people that actually live here and have been in the thick of it from day one. Videos are not infallible, and are not always an entirely accurate portrayal of a situation; they can sometimes lack important larger contexts and misconstrue or omit what's happened extradiegetically, as the recent video of Sandmann illustrated. They're perfectly fine for the most part, but they aren't absolute -- that's where critical thinking and other epistemic sources come in.

You can believe whatever you want, that doesn't always mean that your narrative is supported or substantive.



"So you saw videos where the 'moms' joined the rioters and helped to try and break down the doors to the federal courthouse after the news crews left. So what? That proves nothing. Remember I live here, I know everything that happens in Portland so you lose."

These jackasses also write "PRESS" all over their clothes and helmets in an attempt to pretend to be with the press so if police hit them with pepper spray or arrest them or something it will make the news that the police are being meanie heads to a member of the press.
Do you think misconstruing my statements in a defamatory way helps bolster your argument somehow? Or continuing to offer little but gross generalizations?



There really isn't much to debate if your response to each and every argument is you live in Portland so therefore you have some inside knowledge.
How has that been my response to "each and every argument" in any way, and what precedence has made you believe that it would be in future?

That was hardly even the gist of what I was saying -- I was suggesting it might be more prudent for people to rely on a variety of internal sources, since media spin has become a point of obvious controversy.

[FlayedAngel]

https://twitter.com/ShelbyTalcott/status/1287242362364637185?s=20

Antifa goons in Portland chanting: "Every city, every town, burn the precincts to the ground."

I don't know though, FlayedAngel, I need the insight of someone who lives in Portland. Do they REALLY mean "every city, every town, burn the precincts to the ground" or is there some sort of coded language I'm not understanding where this really means "We are peaceful protesters! End police brutality! Black Lives Matter!"

Please advise.
Firstly, that's North Portland -- nowhere near the main hub of the protests, not even geographically connected.

Secondly, if I were to hazard a guess... I'd say they're one of the more extreme groups, as evidenced by the "ACAB" and signage about abolishing police and dying for freedom. There are violent extremists more than willing to be aggressive in the wake of perceived injustices, I've never denied that -- they're just not the vast majority of the protesters.

Thirdly, I'm not going to amalgamate every protester and their motives into a singular political granfalloon... that's baby shit. If you want to misapply labels, that's your business; don't misapply mine in a vain attempt at misdirection.



While I have a Portlander here can you tell me about the lasers the rioters shine at the police, are they shining them in the eyes of officers in an attempt to blind them (they may have already permanently blinded 3 officers), or are they concerned the police and their fellow protesters are bored so are attempting to put on a laser light show they practiced together on at the local rec center?
I don't know, can you tell me about the repeated and pervasive use of teargas and "non-lethal" weapons on protesters? Or the justification for the use of LRADs? It's a fuckin' laser pointer, while they're using dangerous tactical gear (often improperly (https://www.oregonlive.com/portland/2020/07/portland-protester-hit-in-head-by-munition-fired-by-federal-officer-recovering-but-still-suffering-from-brain-injury.html)); not something I'd condone at all personally, but it's a somewhat ludicrous example in light of some of the methods they've used.

[Tgo01]

You've made it abundantly clear what narrative you want to believe, despite the fact that numerous people have continued warning the outside world how the situation is being twisted to support false narratives.

Oh as long as the people setting buildings on fire, assaulting people, and shining lasers in the eyes of officers "warn" the outside world that the situation is being twisted, well that means I can ignore all of those videos I watch with my own two eyes.

How is me watching a video of some of the "moms" joining the rioters in trying to bust down the door to the federal courthouse "twisting" what is happening there? If nothing else can you at least explain this to me?

[FlayedAngel]

You've made it abundantly clear what narrative you want to believe, evidence to the contrary be damned!
If you presented any actual evidence to the contrary instead of a constant deluge of intellectual dishonesty, things might be different.

[Tgo01]

If you presented any actual evidence to the contrary instead of a constant deluge of intellectual dishonesty, things might be different.

How are videos and photographs not evidence? What an odd statement.

But never mind that.

How is me watching a video of some of the "moms" joining the rioters in trying to bust down the door to the federal courthouse "twisting" what is happening there? If nothing else can you at least explain this to me?

[~Rocktar~]

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/portland-protest-tear-gas-federal-officers-courthouse/

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/05/us/portland-riots-july-4/index.html

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/bethbaumann/2020/07/19/watch-on-the-ground-footage-shows-just-how-bad-the-riots-in-portland-really-are-n2572726

https://www.koin.com/news/protests/terribly-upsetting-portland-takes-in-riot-damage/

https://www.dailywire.com/news/rioters-torch-justice-center-in-seattle-attack-stores-at-apartment-complex-hit-store-owners

Looks to have been a pretty violent and riot filled month there in Portland.

[FlayedAngel]

How are videos and photographs not evidence? What an odd statement.

But never mind that.

How is me watching a video of some of the "moms" joining the rioters in trying to bust down the door to the federal courthouse "twisting" what is happening there? If nothing else can you at least explain this to me?
For the third time, I didn't say that videos and photographs were not evidence of any sort -- I said they don't necessarily provide all of the necessary context to form a solid conclusion, or a basis for assertion.

Again... broader context.

Hypothetical situation: We're in a bar. If you punch me in the face, and then video only the portion where I deck you in the face in return... who instigated the fight, and what does the video indicate? Did I call you names before you punched me, or was it entirely unprovoked? If a wacky barroom brawl then comically erupts in that corner of the bar, who started the fight? And is it accurate to call all bar patrons violent pugilists?

Not sure why this is so difficult to grasp.

[FlayedAngel]

Looks to have been a pretty violent and riot filled month there in Portland.
Yes, it's gotten progressively worse... as has been the concern for some time now, and continues to be the concern.

I've stated why this is an issue numerous times.

[Tgo01]

For the third time, I didn't say that videos and photographs were not evidence of any sort -- I said they don't necessarily provide all of the necessary context to form a solid conclusion, or a basis for assertion.

Again... broader context.

Hypothetical situation: We're in a bar. If you punch me in the face, and then video only the portion where I deck you in the face in return... who instigated the fight, and what does the video indicate? Did I call you names before you punched me, or was it entirely unprovoked? If a wacky barroom brawl then comically erupts in that corner of the bar, who started the fight? And is it accurate to call all bar patrons violent pugilists?

Not sure why this is so difficult to grasp.


How is me watching a video of some of the "moms" joining the rioters in trying to bust down the door to the federal courthouse "twisting" what is happening there? If nothing else can you at least explain this to me?

.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

The only issue I see is a bunch of lawless terrorists (on the streets and in the democratic government). Pull out the fed resources and let it all burn down. Fucking give the people what they want.

[Tgo01]

The only issue I see is a bunch of lawless terrorists (on the streets and in the democratic government). Pull out the fed resources and let it all burn down. Fucking give the people what they want.

I bet you don't even live in Portland.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I bet you don't even live in Portland.

It would take so much money to get me to move to the liberal west coast. Visits are fine once every few years, but I couldn't live surrounded by terrorists and hypocrites.

Edit to add: Or junkies and homeless.

[FlayedAngel]

.
https://arhowerton.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/vonnegut-asterisk.jpg?w=584

[FlayedAngel]

It would take so much money to get me to move to the liberal west coast. Visits are fine once every few years, but I couldn't live surrounded by terrorists and hypocrites.

Edit to add: Or junkies and homeless.
Where do you live?

[Teveriel]

It would take so much money to get me to move to the liberal west coast. Visits are fine once every few years, but I couldn't live surrounded by terrorists and hypocrites.

You were visibly triggered by an image Bhaalizmo posted of a truck with bumper stickers, so no, you probably couldn't without losing your obviously tenuous grip on your own sanity.

[FlayedAngel]

You were visibly triggered by an image Bhaalizmo posted of a truck with bumper stickers, so no, you probably couldn't without losing your obviously tenuous grip on your own sanity.
To be fair, I was visibly triggered to nausea by some of those salacious pictures of Trump and Putin.

https://media.tenor.com/images/70ca2cbbcee977711b4bd238ba6dd093/tenor.gif

[Teveriel]

To be fair, I was visibly triggered to nausea by some of those salacious pictures of Trump and Putin.

I try to avoid kink shaming.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

You were visibly triggered by an image Bhaalizmo posted of a truck with bumper stickers, so no, you probably couldn't without losing your obviously tenuous grip on your own sanity.

Not sure I know you, but that wasn't the case. Stick to being a terrorist liberal, not a mind reader.

[FlayedAngel]

I try to avoid kink shaming.
Not an objection to kink, I'm all for it -- just that particular pairing... but, fair point.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Where do you live?

Heart of America, where no rioting is taking place. Have you ever examined where the riots and terrorists are, who the leaders are there?

[Tgo01]

It would take so much money to get me to move to the liberal west coast. Visits are fine once every few years, but I couldn't live surrounded by terrorists and hypocrites.

Edit to add: Or junkies and homeless.

Word. It's sad, I live in California for the first 20 years of my life, I have fond memories of San Fransisco, now I doubt I will ever step foot in California again, much less San Fransisco or some of the other crazy parts of the state.

[Teveriel]

Not an objection to kink, I'm all for it -- just that particular pairing... but, fair point.

Shipping fandom took a weird turn

[FlayedAngel]

Heart of America, where no rioting is taking place.
Where's the Heart of the America? I'm visualizing a tent pitched in the lap of the Lincoln Memorial, which... now that I say it, sounds wrong AF.



Have you ever examined where the riots and terrorists are, who the leaders are there?
That's a weird correlation, but sure.

I would say larger protests are happening in more densely populated areas due to a larger concentration of people, not due to the political persuasion of the leaders -- if anything, I suppose one could speculate that areas more prone to police misconduct (it's notoriously bad here) might have subsequently louder or more violent protests, but that's conjecture.

I don't give a shit what Ted Wheeler thinks, personally.



Word. It's sad, I live in California for the first 20 years of my life, I have fond memories of San Fransisco, now I doubt I will ever step foot in California again, much less San Fransisco or some of the other crazy parts of the state.
I hear they impale Trump supporters on wooden stakes as an example to the others, and have unceasing drug-fueled orgiastic bacchanals night and day.

[Parkbandit]

Pull out the fed resources and let it all burn down. Fucking give the people what they want.

Exactly this.

Give the people exactly what they voted for.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I hear they impale Trump supporters on wooden stakes as an example to the others, and have unceasing drug-fueled orgiastic bacchanals night and day.

REALLY good study by the Cato institute on political opinion and how conservatives are more afraid than ever before to share theirs. Wonder why that is? Cancel Culture? Riots? Terrorists burning down their businesses? Being called racist or sexist or nazis? The liberal media and it's faithful followers are the crazed mob. Do you really believe all Germans in Nazi Germany were despicable human beings... or maybe they were afraid to voice their opinion because bad people would destroy their lives. I feel that way now, I for sure can't say I think all lives matter without being called a racist.

https://www.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/styles/pubs/public/2020-07/Chart2_1.jpeg?itok=oy2ZCPYA

https://www.cato.org/blog/poll-62-americans-say-they-have-political-views-theyre-afraid-share

[~Rocktar~]

Exactly this.

Give the people exactly what they voted for.

And all Federal funding of any kind.

[Parkbandit]

REALLY good study by the Cato institute on political opinion and how conservatives are more afraid than ever before to share theirs. Wonder why that is? Cancel Culture? Riots? Terrorists burning down their businesses? Being called racist or sexist or nazis? The liberal media and it's faithful followers are the crazed mob. Do you really believe all Germans in Nazi Germany were despicable human beings... or maybe they were afraid to voice their opinion because bad people would destroy their lives. I feel that way now, I for sure can't say I think all lives matter without being called a racist.

https://www.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/styles/pubs/public/2020-07/Chart2_1.jpeg?itok=oy2ZCPYA

https://www.cato.org/blog/poll-62-americans-say-they-have-political-views-theyre-afraid-share

Imagine the fun, come November.. when it shows Biden +10 points and Trump wins. We will have the political "pundits" once again scratching their heads, wondering how they got it so wrong. Again.

[Tgo01]

I hear they impale Trump supporters on wooden stakes as an example to the others, and have unceasing drug-fueled orgiastic bacchanals night and day.

Well they apparently shoot black Trump supporters. (https://www.fox5ny.com/news/black-trump-supporter-murdered-in-milwaukee)

[FlayedAngel]

Well they apparently shoot black Trump supporters. (https://www.fox5ny.com/news/black-trump-supporter-murdered-in-milwaukee)

Milwaukee Police say there’s not a lot of information about what led up to the shooting and who pulled the trigger.
There's no evidence that his murder was in any way motivated by or connected to his political stance, which is just an example of what I meant by intellectual dishonesty.

[Tgo01]

There's no evidence that his murder was in any way motivated by or connected to his political stance, which is just an example of what I meant by intellectual dishonesty.

I didn't say he was shot because he was a Trump supporter.

Racist.

But let's get real, he was shot because he's a Trump supporter.

[FlayedAngel]

I didn't say he was shot because he was a Trump supporter.

But let's get real, he was shot because he's a Trump supporter.
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[Elanthil]

Portland has not been "under siege" by a violent mob, that's absolute horseshit. The protests here have - for the most part - been overwhelmingly peaceful, despite an unnecessary military presence that's been increasingly and disproportionately more antagonistic (and violent) than helpful.



I'm sure a lot of us have been wondering the same thing.



FUCKING HORSESHIT, AND YOU KNOW IT! Portland is BURNING and the cops can't do ANYTHING about it. So we call in the NG and the Army and suddenly were all fascists? FUCK YOU.

[Bhaalizmo]

I didn't say he was shot because he was a Trump supporter.

Racist.

But let's get real, he was shot because he's a Trump supporter.

But you did, right there.

[FlayedAngel]

REALLY good study by the Cato institute on political opinion and how conservatives are more afraid than ever before to share theirs. Wonder why that is?
The disingenuous answer would be because conservative opinions are heinous, and they're afraid to air them out due to the fact that prevailing social attitudes have made them grotesquely archaic.

A more thoughtful potential answer would be because of an upswing in political polarization in this country, which is the result of reactionaries and extremist views pushing agendas onto the more moderate on both sides, as well as an escalating and increasingly dangerous refusal by both sides to engage in earnest discourse and adhere to a common consensus. It's bloody obvious that you and I have different political stances, but I'm not going to assume deliberate malice or evil on your part, nor that you're a cross-burning racist just because you hold some indeterminate conservative beliefs and occasionally make a few mouthy comments... most of us are mouthy, in some way or another.

You are (and should be) free to say whatever you want -- if you say something that I think is real fuckin' heinous, I might call you on it... but I hope you'd do the same for me.

I'm not a fan of blind mob mentality in either direction, and "cancel culture" is a concern... but it's often misused as an unrepentant caricature of the left, in the same way that association of political conservatism with "hicks" or "backwards thinking" (or interchangeability of social and fiscal conservatism) is a caricature of the right. But I disagree with the misuse of the #CancelCulture hashtag as much as I disagree with people who make accusations of sexism or racism without any actual evidence to support those claims, and without actually examining the accused's viewpoint in any substantial depth to determine why.



Cancel Culture? Riots? Terrorists burning down their businesses? Being called racist or sexist or nazis? The liberal media and it's faithful followers are the crazed mob. Do you really believe all Germans in Nazi Germany were despicable human beings... or maybe they were afraid to voice their opinion because bad people would destroy their lives. I feel that way now, I for sure can't say I think all lives matter without being called a racist.
There were a lot of Germans who were later hounded by guilt that they didn't speak up -- that's partly why Germany has such staunch anti-propaganda laws (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strafgesetzbuch_section_86a) today. Some people believe that ignorance, willful or otherwise, is no excuse (https://poemsfromtheholocaust.weebly.com/first-they-came-for-the-communists); I am not personally of the opinion that they were bad people, but the specter of that choice lingers and morality is often much clearer in hindsight.

[FlayedAngel]

FUCKING HORSESHIT, AND YOU KNOW IT! Portland is BURNING and the cops can't do ANYTHING about it. So we call in the NG and the Army and suddenly were all fascists? FUCK YOU.
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[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

The disingenuous answer would be because conservative opinions are heinous, and they're afraid to air them out due to the fact that prevailing social attitudes have made them grotesquely archaic.

A more thoughtful potential answer would be because of an upswing in political polarization in this country, which is the result of reactionaries and extremist views pushing agendas onto the more moderate on both sides, as well as an escalating and increasingly dangerous refusal by both sides to engage in earnest discourse and adhere to a common consensus. It's bloody obvious that you and I have different political stances, but I'm not going to assume deliberate malice or evil on your part, nor that you're a cross-burning racist just because you hold some indeterminate conservative beliefs and occasionally make a few mouthy comments... most of us are mouthy, in some way or another.

You are (and should be) free to say whatever you want -- if you say something that I think is real fuckin' heinous, I might call you on it... but I hope you'd do the same for me.

I'm not a fan of blind mob mentality in either direction, and "cancel culture" is a concern... but it's often misused as an unrepentant caricature of the left, in the same way that association of political conservatism with "hicks" or "backwards thinking" (or interchangeability of social and fiscal conservatism) is a caricature of the right. But I disagree with the misuse of the #CancelCulture hashtag as much as I disagree with people who make accusations of sexism or racism without any actual evidence to support those claims, and without actually examining the accused's viewpoint in any substantial depth to determine why.



There were a lot of Germans who were later hounded by guilt that they didn't speak up -- that's partly why Germany has such staunch anti-propaganda laws (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strafgesetzbuch_section_86a) today. Some people believe that ignorance, willful or otherwise, is no excuse (https://poemsfromtheholocaust.weebly.com/first-they-came-for-the-communists); I am not personally of the opinion that they were bad people, but the specter of that choice lingers and morality is often much clearer in hindsight.

Nice post, much I agree with.

One last note. I lived in Germany in the 80's. There are many people who were adults in their 30's and 40's who didn't support Hitler, that did nothing, because the environment would have crucified them for it. Nearly where we are getting too in America today, where the Woke minority is dominating the media with their socialist views. Don't believe me, look at any post that actually is rational discourse regards conservative values, and you'll find they are immediately decried as racist/bigot Nazis.

[time4fun]

FUCKING HORSESHIT, AND YOU KNOW IT! Portland is BURNING and the cops can't do ANYTHING about it. So we call in the NG and the Army and suddenly were all fascists? FUCK YOU.

The city of Portland 100% disagrees with you.

And sending in Federal police officers actually made things MUCH, MUCH worse. (As was the intention)

Stop falling for this. It's dangerous. And yes, it IS fascist and anti-democratic to send in Federal officers to arrest peaceful protesters with no charges and no probable cause. DHS literally referred to them as "Preemptive" arrests. That is 100% unconstitutional. Those same Federal forces are straying blocks from the Federal property they have jurisdiction over. And they're using tear gas and munitions on peaceful protesters. They were also targeting the Press and legal observers specifically. The President of the United States called US citizens exercising their right to free speech "terrorists".

Stop. Falling. For. This.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

The city of Portland 100% disagrees with you.

And sending in Federal police officers actually made things MUCH, MUCH worse. (As was the intention)

Stop falling for this. It's dangerous. And yes, it IS fascist and anti-democratic to send in Federal officers to arrest peaceful protesters with no charges and no probable cause. DHS literally referred to them as "Preemptive" arrests. That is 100% unconstitutional. Those same Federal forces are straying blocks from the Federal property they have jurisdiction over. And they're using tear gas and munitions on peaceful protesters. They were also targeting the Press and legal observers specifically. The President of the United States called US citizens exercising their right to free speech "terrorists".

Stop. Falling. For. This.

Giggle.

[Tgo01]

And yes, it IS fascist and anti-democratic to send in Federal officers to arrest peaceful protesters with no charges and no probable cause. DHS literally referred to them as "Preemptive" arrests.

And yet the state of Oregon could only come up with two examples. Time to stop spreading lies. SAD!

[Parkbandit]

The city of Portland 100% disagrees with you.

And sending in Federal police officers actually made things MUCH, MUCH worse. (As was the intention)

Stop falling for this. It's dangerous. And yes, it IS fascist and anti-democratic to send in Federal officers to arrest peaceful protesters with no charges and no probable cause. DHS literally referred to them as "Preemptive" arrests. That is 100% unconstitutional. Those same Federal forces are straying blocks from the Federal property they have jurisdiction over. And they're using tear gas and munitions on peaceful protesters. They were also targeting the Press and legal observers specifically. The President of the United States called US citizens exercising their right to free speech "terrorists".

Stop. Falling. For. This.

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[~Rocktar~]

This about sums it up.

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[~Rocktar~]

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[Tgo01]

https://i.imgflip.com/46f8ei.jpg

These are also the same people who told us for years we had to believe each and every word coming from our federal law enforcement agencies when they were investigating Trump and that all federal law enforcement officers were heroes, but now that the feds are enforcing the law on actual criminal pieces of shit in Portland and other Democrat shitholes they are now demonizing these officers as Nazis, because they are God awful human beings.

[Tgo01]

https://twitter.com/fleccas/status/1287538621445296128?s=20''


I ran into Jerry Nadler in DC and asked him to disavow the Antifa violence/rioting in Portland.

His response?

“THATS A MYTH”

What a worthless fat piece of shit. He doesn't even live in Portland!

[Bhaalizmo]

https://twitter.com/fleccas/status/1287538621445296128?s=20''



What a worthless fat piece of shit. He doesn't even live in Portland!

Or, alternatively, that Antifa BS you keep pushing is a myth.

[Tgo01]

Or, alternatively, that Antifa BS you keep pushing is a myth.

Oh right I forget, buildings in Portland are setting themselves on fire, police are blinding themselves with lasers, photographers are punching themselves in the face, and buildings are throwing rocks at their own windows.

You do realize downplaying political violence you approve of makes you the Nazi here right? You know Nazis, that political party you claim to hate so much? Congratulations, you played yourself.

[Tgo01]

https://twitter.com/monsieree/status/1286455359482126341?s=20

This guy is a hero. He had enough of these morons blocking traffic so he punched one of them in the face while screaming "Get the fuck out of my neighborhood!"

It's Seattle but is there really much difference between Seattle and Portland these days?

[Bhaalizmo]

https://twitter.com/monsieree/status/1286455359482126341?s=20

This guy is a hero. He had enough of these morons blocking traffic so he punched one of them in the face while screaming "Get the fuck out of my neighborhood!"

It's Seattle but is there really much difference between Seattle and Portland these days?

Surprise. The racist hick thinks that a guy who attacks unarmed protesters is a hero.

[Tgo01]

Surprise. The racist hick thinks that a guy who attacks unarmed protesters is a hero.

Only when those fuckers are blocking traffic. Get the fuck out of the road!

[Tgo01]

https://twitter.com/MikeBalsamo1/status/1287606651491516420?s=20


I spent the weekend inside the Portland federal courthouse w/ the US Marshals. Mortars were being fired off repeatedly, fireworks & flares shot into the lobby, frozen bottles, concrete, cans & bouncy balls regularly whizzed over the fence at high speeds.

This journalist thinks he's in a position to report on this stuff yet he doesn't even live in Portland.

[Bhaalizmo]

Only when those fuckers are blocking traffic. Get the fuck out of the road!

Right, get your unarmed ass on a bike out of the road or a right-wing idiot might walk up and punch you in the face. Which would be heroic in Tgo01's eyes. Gotcha.

[Tgo01]

Right, get your unarmed ass on a bike out of the road or a right-wing idiot might walk up and punch you in the face. Which would be heroic in Tgo01's eyes. Gotcha.

Bhaalizmo sees nothing wrong with fuck faces blocking traffic for hours, probably because he doesn't have a job so he never has to worry about waiting in traffic going to or from work. SAD!

[drauz]

But to add a little backstory to this, from a friend's account:

Given the propensity for lying I've stopped believing these first hand accounts. Videos are easily edited to start at the retaliatory response and people in the video are just like "why?!" after they've thrown molotov cocktails in water bottles or whatever.

I think the truth is much further in the middle than these people are willing to say.

[Bhaalizmo]

Bhaalizmo sees nothing wrong with fuck faces blocking traffic for hours, probably because he doesn't have a job so he never has to worry about waiting in traffic going to or from work. SAD!

Incorrect, but thanks for fabricating BS on the fly as usual.

I have a problem with anyone who thinks that attacking a protester who is not only unarmed but also on a bike (at a disadvantage) is ok let alone heroic. It's beta male behavior. A soft target, unlikely to respond in kind.

I've never stated how I feel about blocking traffic so thanks for making up the bulk of your argument with fabricated opinions about others as is your norm. You refute your own arguments.

[Tgo01]

I have a problem with anyone who thinks that attacking a protester

But yet you see nothing wrong with "protesters" setting buildings on fire, blinding police officers, or assaulting photographers, because you're an awful human being.

Do better, Bhaalizmo. I believe in you.

[Bhaalizmo]

But yet you see nothing wrong with "protesters" setting buildings on fire, blinding police officers, or assaulting photographers, because you're an awful human being.

Do better, Bhaalizmo. I believe in you.

See there you go again, failing SO hard. Can you guess why? It's for the same reason as last time.

Cause you made up all that shit about what I think and who I am. Scroll up. At no point in this thread have I opined on protesters setting buildings on fire, blinding police officers, or assaulting photographers. You just made that up. Because you're unable to refute anything I said. It's the same thing every time.

[Solkern]

See there you go again, failing SO hard. Can you guess why? It's for the same reason as last time.

Cause you made up all that shit about what I think and who I am. Scroll up. At no point in this thread have I opined on protesters setting buildings on fire, blinding police officers, or assaulting photographers. You just made that up. Because you're unable to refute anything I said. It's the same thing every time.


You should know by now, he only deflects and ignores post that make any sense, or spouts random shit that promotes his crazy narrative by heavily assuming what your true meaning is based on your political affiliation.

I.e. if you said, I support the Peaceful BLM protest. He ignores the peaceful word and starts rambling on how you support buildings put on fire, people dying, riots and looting. When you ask for proof or fact, he will turn to, insulting you. He has issues.

[FlayedAngel]

Given the propensity for lying I've stopped believing these first hand accounts. Videos are easily edited to start at the retaliatory response and people in the video are just like "why?!" after they've thrown molotov cocktails in water bottles or whatever.
I'm only posting these, personally, as they align much more with what I've witnessed; I'm not suggesting you should take them as absolute, unquestioningly and without critical thought, but they're a lot more accurate than the "city on fire" narrative some are pushing. And while police recently found a sack of rifle mags and Molotov cocktails in the park, I don't recall any being thrown -- I could be wrong.



I think the truth is much further in the middle than these people are willing to say.
Perhaps a bit closer, I'd certainly concede that. Most of these large and sustained movements inevitably attract fringe extremists, like radicals with no qualms about violence (actual battery, not property damage or the impression of assault) or white nationalist groups like the Proud Boys posing as "Antifa" for the purposes of subversion (this has happened); there are also those speaking out vociferously against these kinds of actions among the protesters, so it is by no means a monolithic entity.

I believe that violence is ultimately a disservice to the greater movement, but those committing it aren't the majority of protesters; there have been plenty of nights with hours of protest without incident, it's a far greater disservice to dismiss the entire thing because of a small and indeterminate portion.

[Candor]

You should know by now, he only deflects and ignores post that make any sense, or spouts random shit that promotes his crazy narrative by heavily assuming what your true meaning is based on your political affiliation.

I.e. if you said, I support the Peaceful BLM protest. He ignores the peaceful word and starts rambling on how you support buildings put on fire, people dying, riots and looting. When you ask for proof or fact, he will turn to, insulting you. He has issues.

Have you and Bhaalizmo clearly stated that you don't support non-peaceful protests? I haven't read many of the posts in this thread, so maybe I missed something.

If you haven't stated that you don't support violent protests, here's your chance.

If you do support violent protests, you're scum.

[Solkern]

Have you and Bhaalizmo clearly stated that you don't support non-peaceful protests? I haven't read many of the posts in this thread, so maybe I missed something.

If you haven't stated that you don't support violent protests, here's your chance.

If you do support violent protests, you're scum.

Of course I don’t support violent protest. I have never said I supported non-peaceful protest, and I don’t think Bhaalizmo has either.

[FlayedAngel]

If you haven't stated that you don't support violent protests, here's your chance.

If you do support violent protests, you're scum.
I don't support hasty generalization fallacies under the guise of reasonable ratiocination, no.

[Solkern]

Question, what circumstances need to arise, that protestors will have the right to turn to violence?

[Blazar]

Have you and Bhaalizmo clearly stated that you don't support non-peaceful protests? I haven't read many of the posts in this thread, so maybe I missed something.

If you haven't stated that you don't support violent protests, here's your chance.

If you do support violent protests, you're scum.

Just curious, do you consider our founding fathers scum? You don't think that before we revolted that there weren't violent protests against the crown's policies and taxes? Are you that ignorant? Really? You all throw around these absolutes and labels, like you're some kind of authority on judging people and your opinion actually counts for something even though it's based on very limited information that you've chosen to absorb. It's insanity, but whatever floats your boat I guess.

I don't support violent protest/riots, but I can empathize with people who resort to it much like our founding fathers did. What do you do when peaceful avenues don't get results, and people are being oppressed? I feel like our Founding Fathers might have run into this same conundrum.

And like many have already stated, the MAJORITY of the protesters are not violent and rioting. There are opportunistic assholes on both sides that are resorting to violence to push their agenda, both left and right.

[FlayedAngel]

Question, what circumstances need to arise, that protestors will have the right to turn to violence?
Given the efficacy of violent protests throughout American history, that's an interesting question.

[FlayedAngel]

This about sums it up.

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Awww... they made a meme for you, bud:

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[Tgo01]

At no point in this thread have I opined on protesters setting buildings on fire, blinding police officers, or assaulting photographers.

Exactly, yet you rush to attack this guy for punching someone blocking traffic.

So one scenario elicits an immediate rebuke from you yet you are strangely silent about the riots in Portland and even go so far as to tell me I'm making it all up because Antifa doesn't exist.

Again do better, Bhaalizmo

[Bhaalizmo]

You should know by now, he only deflects and ignores post that make any sense, or spouts random shit that promotes his crazy narrative by heavily assuming what your true meaning is based on your political affiliation.

I.e. if you said, I support the Peaceful BLM protest. He ignores the peaceful word and starts rambling on how you support buildings put on fire, people dying, riots and looting. When you ask for proof or fact, he will turn to, insulting you. He has issues.

I agree wholeheartedly. And yet, here we both are beating a dead horse.

[Bhaalizmo]

Have you and Bhaalizmo clearly stated that you don't support non-peaceful protests? I haven't read many of the posts in this thread, so maybe I missed something.

If you haven't stated that you don't support violent protests, here's your chance.

If you do support violent protests, you're scum.

I do not support violent protests, nor do I support violence against non-violent protesters. I'm largely here opposing what I see to be the right coming out against anyone who isn't clearly on the right. Even then, I'm mostly just here opposing the brashest of them. IE: Yay our guy just punched an unarmed off balance dude on a bike, and we think he's a hero for it!.

[Parkbandit]

Just curious, do you consider our founding fathers scum? You don't think that before we revolted that there weren't violent protests against the crown's policies and taxes? Are you that ignorant? Really? You all throw around these absolutes and labels, like you're some kind of authority on judging people and your opinion actually counts for something even though it's based on very limited information that you've chosen to absorb. It's insanity, but whatever floats your boat I guess.

I don't support violent protest/riots, but I can empathize with people who resort to it much like our founding fathers did. What do you do when peaceful avenues don't get results, and people are being oppressed? I feel like our Founding Fathers might have run into this same conundrum.

And like many have already stated, the MAJORITY of the protesters are not violent and rioting. There are opportunistic assholes on both sides that are resorting to violence to push their agenda, both left and right.

Are you really comparing these protests to 250 years ago when the Founding Fathers actually fought against something real and put their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor at risk.

These are nothing but a bunch of whining cowards who are taking advantage of virtue signaling little pansies... because it's 2020 and they are not in power so they are using useful idiots like yourself to "protest".

[Blazar]

Are you really comparing these protests to 250 years ago when the Founding Fathers actually fought against something real and put their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor at risk.

These are nothing but a bunch of whining cowards who are taking advantage of virtue signaling little pansies... because it's 2020 and they are not in power so they are using useful idiots like yourself to "protest".

I'm sure there were plenty of people who said the same thing 250 years ago about the revolution. Especially those in Britain. How can you really be this dumb? I don't believe it's really possible.

People in Britain 250 years ago: "Oh, what a bunch of whiners and greedy fucks. They don't want to pay taxes or house our soldiers even though we're in charge and governing them. Can't they see, we're treating them fairly??? Can't they see this is the way because we said so? How dare they protest!"

Please, tell me the differences between this and 250 years ago, without your very skewed opinions of people. you feel this way because you support the current regime, that is all about oppression.

You're still going to be a fucking idiot no matter how all this turns out, so you lose no matter what. Sorry bud. Maybe next life will be better for you.

[Parkbandit]

I'm sure there were plenty of people who said the same thing 250 years ago about the revolution. Especially those in Britain. How can you really be this dumb? I don't believe it's really possible.

People in Britain 250 years ago: "Oh, what a bunch of whiners and greedy fucks. They don't want to pay taxes or house our soldiers even though we're in charge and governing them. Can't they see, we're treating them fairly??? Can't they see this is the way because we said so? How dare they protest!"

Please, tell me the differences between this and 250 years ago, without your very skewed opinions of people. you feel this way because you support the current regime, that is all about oppression.

You're still going to be a fucking idiot no matter how all this turns out, so you lose no matter what. Sorry bud. Maybe next life will be better for you.

They literally put their lives, their fortunes and their honor at risk.

LITERALLY.

What are today's "protesters" actually putting at risk? A mean tweet against them?

It's adorable you actually believe these are the same thing.

[Solkern]

I'm sure there were plenty of people who said the same thing 250 years ago about the revolution. Especially those in Britain. How can you really be this dumb? I don't believe it's really possible.

People in Britain 250 years ago: "Oh, what a bunch of whiners and greedy fucks. They don't want to pay taxes or house our soldiers even though we're in charge and governing them. Can't they see, we're treating them fairly??? Can't they see this is the way because we said so? How dare they protest!"

Please, tell me the differences between this and 250 years ago, without your very skewed opinions of people. you feel this way because you support the current regime, that is all about oppression.

You're still going to be a fucking idiot no matter how all this turns out, so you lose no matter what. Sorry bud. Maybe next life will be better for you.

Try not to reply with logic, facts, reason or plausible information.... or anything that disagrees with their narrative.. They will just insult you, so they think they won.
Although I’m still confused on what exactly they won, but in their mind, they won.

[Blazar]

They literally put their lives, their fortunes and their honor at risk.

LITERALLY.

LOL, this is just the beginning of this situation, a few months in. You are comparing a movement in its infancy to a revolution in the past that was able to play out fully. Again, there were plenty of riots and protests before the actual revolution, so don't be an idiot. Aren't you old enough to have experienced it first hand? You should know better PB...

[Astray]

Man this is prolonged. That supply chain must be pretty bomb.

[Solkern]

They literally put their lives, their fortunes and their honor at risk.

LITERALLY.

What are today's "protesters" actually putting at risk? A mean tweet against them?

It's adorable you actually believe these are the same thing.


I’m sure if you ask a black person who’s protesting, what are they risking, they will say their lives, they will say everything.
But since you think it’s all bullshit, it won’t matter what they say.
A lot of people(protestors, non-protestors) have died during these trying times, looks like they risked their lives and lost.

But that’s not good enough for you. Because you think their cause is bullshit

[Parkbandit]

LOL, this is just the beginning of this situation, a few months in. You are comparing a movement in its infancy to a revolution in the past that was able to play out fully. Again, there were plenty of riots and protests before the actual revolution, so don't be an idiot. Aren't you old enough to have experienced it first hand? You should know better PB...

You don't believe that the Founding Fathers had risks in the very beginning?

Again.. what specifically are these "protesters" putting at risk?

Not their lives.

Not their fortunes.

Not their reputation.

Maybe getting their new Nikes they just got from the last "peaceful protest" dirty?

They aren't the same.

At all.

[Parkbandit]

I’m sure if you ask a black person who’s protesting, what are they risking, they will say their lives, they will say everything.

How specifically are they risking their lives? Or everything? Be specific.. don't just use your feelings that they are.


But since you think it’s all bullshit, it won’t matter what they say.

BLM is all bullshit. We only hear from them every 4 years... oh right.. election years.


A lot of people(protestors, non-protestors) have died during these trying times, looks like they risked their lives and lost.

You can't count non-protesters.. since they are NON-PROTESTERS...... jesus...

So, hundreds of thousands of protesters.. how many have died because they are protesting? Give me some hard numbers here.


But that’s not good enough for you. Because you think their cause is bullshit

Make your case for once. Don't just use fee fees and how you think it is.. or how you heard about it.. give us some facts for once.

[Parkbandit]

Man this is prolonged. That supply chain must be pretty bomb.

Makes you think.. doesn't it...

[Astray]

How specifically are they risking their lives? Or everything? Be specific.. don't just use your feelings that they are.

Hold up.

I just read news about someone catching a beanbag to the face and gaining brain damage.


Makes you think.. doesn't it...

I wonder how many people getting that 600 (on top of unemployment, whatever that might be) are protesting. Then again, look at unemployment numbers.

[Parkbandit]

Hold up.

I just read news about someone catching a beanbag to the face and gaining brain damage.

Damn.. you are making me re-think this entire thing. Sure they aren't protesting their right to govern themselves.. but they are protesting government because they lost the last election and want to be the useful idiots to make sure that doesn't happen again this years...

Both are protesting gov something! DAMN THEY ARE THE SAME EXACT THING LIKE BLAZER SAID!!!


I wonder how many people getting that 600 (on top of unemployment, whatever that might be) are protesting. Then again, look at unemployment numbers.

And don't you wonder why the Democrats are pushing hard to get unemployment pushed until after the election?

Yea.. they just care about you!

[Astray]

My point is that some people, while protesting, have been injured in life threatening ways. Saying that they aren't putting their lives on the line when rounds are going off at them, isn't really a fair assessment of the situation.

And I say that as someone from a completely neutral perspective. People are being hurt, regardless of politics.

[Solkern]

How specifically are they risking their lives? Or everything? Be specific.. don't just use your feelings that they are.



BLM is all bullshit. We only hear from them every 4 years... oh right.. election years.



You can't count non-protesters.. since they are NON-PROTESTERS...... jesus...

So, hundreds of thousands of protesters.. how many have died because they are protesting? Give me some hard numbers here.



Make your case for once. Don't just use fee fees and how you think it is.. or how you heard about it.. give us some facts for once.


30+ deaths, 14,000+ arrest. When you get arrested, you risk quite a lot.
I said during these trying times, have police officers died during these trying times? Have any passerbys died during these trying times in our country right now? Exactly stfu and don’t try to change my words to fit your stupid narrative. Even if you want to go only during the BLM protest, have any officers died? Are they protestors? They would be NON-PROTESTORS right? You fucking retard. Have any passerby’s that weren’t protesting died?(not sure, but it probably happened)
You’re a fucking idiot.
Get on a plane and get some jet lag.

[Bhaalizmo]

We don't need this kind of shit in our streets.

https://i.imgur.com/h9te5th.jpg

[Solkern]

We don't need this kind of shit in our streets.

https://i.imgur.com/h9te5th.jpg

Obviously she’s an evil rioter and antifa member trying to destroy our country.
But that photo could be misleading, based on camera angle, he could be pointing the gun not at her, just in the same direction she’s standing. It doesn’t look like she has the reaction of someone holding a gun in her face.

[Blazar]

Damn.. you are making me re-think this entire thing. Sure they aren't protesting their right to govern themselves.. but they are protesting government because of oppression.

Both are protesting oppression! DAMN THEY ARE THE SAME EXACT THING LIKE BLAZER SAID!!!



And don't you wonder why the Democrats are pushing hard to get unemployment pushed until after the election?

Yea.. they just care about you!

Fixed that for you. And I know I'm right, I usually am, even if it doesn't fit your narrative. The reason why is because I don't support individuals and I don't lock myself into one view point. I use my brain, and support common sense, and constantly evolve my way of thinking as new information comes available. I believe in being fiscally conservative and morally liberal (in that everyone should be treated equally, which they currently are not). Some of us don't want to go back to the 1800's where we born PB, sorry. I know life was great as a white man this whole time, and things are changing, but it's for the betterment of all (just not for you personally, which is why you have a problem with it). It's not all about you snowflake.

The fact that you don't see any oppression or systemic racism in our country is remarkable. You going blind in your old age or something? Has to be the only excuse. Or is it just not as bad as it was back in your day, old timer, so that makes it okay?

The fact that you think this entire thing is about the BLM org, and not racism in general, says even more. I couldn't give a fuck less about BLM, but I do care about the people who are still being oppressed and treated differently because of their skin color in this country. And there are people still being oppressed, if you deny that then you're such a giant tool bag, I probably won't ever read another word you type as I'd put you in the flat-earther category.

[RichardCranium]

Obviously she’s an evil rioter and antifa member trying to destroy our country.
But that photo could be misleading, based on camera angle, he could be pointing the gun not at her, just in the same direction she’s standing. It doesn’t look like she has the reaction of someone holding a gun in her face.

It looks like it's being pointed over her left shoulder.

[Solkern]

It looks like it's being pointed over her left shoulder.

Yup, he’s not pointing the gun at her.
If an officer/military in full riot gear is pointing a gun at me. My hands are up.

[Bhaalizmo]

It looks like it's being pointed over her left shoulder.

Yes, but it really shouldn't be pointed there either. The woman's hands are empty, except for the non-threatening paper under her arm.

The point is, this situation doesn't require a shotgun. This protester in particular, does not require a shotgun response.

[drauz]

I'm only posting these, personally, as they align much more with what I've witnessed; I'm not suggesting you should take them as absolute, unquestioningly and without critical thought, but they're a lot more accurate than the "city on fire" narrative some are pushing. And while police recently found a sack of rifle mags and Molotov cocktails in the park, I don't recall any being thrown -- I could be wrong.



Perhaps a bit closer, I'd certainly concede that. Most of these large and sustained movements inevitably attract fringe extremists, like radicals with no qualms about violence (actual battery, not property damage or the impression of assault) or white nationalist groups like the Proud Boys posing as "Antifa" for the purposes of subversion (this has happened); there are also those speaking out vociferously against these kinds of actions among the protesters, so it is by no means a monolithic entity.

I believe that violence is ultimately a disservice to the greater movement, but those committing it aren't the majority of protesters; there have been plenty of nights with hours of protest without incident, it's a far greater disservice to dismiss the entire thing because of a small and indeterminate portion.

It's great that they're speaking out against it (I haven't heard all that much but I haven't really been looking) but it doesn't change the fact that the extremists exist and they hide in the crowd. I'm not saying that the police choose the right way to handle this but I don't envy the situation it puts them in.

It's a terrible disservice to any movement, the funny thing to me is that both sides are basically the same in this respect. They both have a few bad apples spoiling the bunch and each "organization" isn't calling their own out for the most part.

[Parkbandit]

My point is that some people, while protesting, have been injured in life threatening ways. Saying that they aren't putting their lives on the line when rounds are going off at them, isn't really a fair assessment of the situation.

And I say that as someone from a completely neutral perspective. People are being hurt, regardless of politics.

There is a big difference between being hurt and being killed. If you were protesting the Crown in 1770.. you could be tried as a traitor and hung. Or is it hanged... I can never remember.

People being hurt is different than people being killed.

[Solkern]

There is a big difference between being hurt and being killed. If you were protesting the Crown in 1770.. you could be tried as a traitor and hung. Or is it hanged... I can never remember.

People being hurt is different than people being killed.

Exactly, you could be hanged, just like if you join these protest, you could be killed as well.
I mean, you do know what the model auxiliary verb “could” means right?
Because thanks for supporting our argument, and putting yours in the shitter where it belongs.

And we use hanged, when it involves a person from a rope, hung for everything else.

[Parkbandit]

30+ deaths, 14,000+ arrest. When you get arrested, you risk quite a lot.
I said during these trying times, have police officers died during these trying times? Have any passerbys died during these trying times in our country right now? Exactly stfu and don’t try to change my words to fit your stupid narrative. Even if you want to go only during the BLM protest, have any officers died? Are they protestors? They would be NON-PROTESTORS right? You fucking retard. Have any passerby’s that weren’t protesting died?(not sure, but it probably happened)
You’re a fucking idiot.
Get on a plane and get some jet lag.

I realize this is pretty high level stuff we're discussing.. but I'm going to attempt to dumb this down to a 4th grade learning level so you can maybe understand it.

Blazer said these protesters (sorry big word here) are just like the Founding Fathers. I disagree.

We're talking about the specific protesters here. We're not talking about the police, or the non-protesters or people who are innocent bystanders. We are focused solely on the protesters themselves.

Blazer claimed that these protesters are having the same risks as the Founding Fathers. I asked him for examples of them risking their lives, their fortunes and their reputation like obviously the Founding Fathers did.

Blazer came back with that I'm 200+ years old so nanny nanny boo boo.... but that's because Blazer is a barely functional retard.

Now.. let's get back to you and your stupidity.

How many protesters have been killed by the police or some other government agency because they were protesting? Now, this is a very specific number because it's pretty easy to identify.

Stats that should be excluded in your count should be:

1) Innocent bystanders
2) Police officers (because they are the evil British Army in this exercise)
3) Protesters killing other protesters

So.. how many of your 30+ were actual protesters killed because they were protesting?

And as far as your 14000+ people that were arrested because they were protesting... how many were arrested because they were actually peaceful protesting? And of that number, how many have been convicted.. and what was the sentences?

[Solkern]

Blazer claimed that these protesters are having the same risks as the Founding Fathers. I asked him for examples of them risking their lives, their fortunes and their reputation like obviously the Founding Fathers did.


Oh how cute, when tgo brings up founding fathers, it’s ok! Well of course it is, it fits your and your butt buddies narrative, anyone else! It’s bullshit! You can’t do it!

[Blazar]

There is a big difference between being hurt and being killed. If you were protesting the Crown in 1770.. you could be tried as a traitor and hung. Or is it hanged... I can never remember.

People being hurt is different than people being killed.

Yeah, only senility could explain how you think people today aren't putting their lives on the line. Today, we have the Patriot Act. So call them a terrorist (which our president has done many times now) and they can be taken without anyone knowing, no rights, nothing, and held in detention for who knows how long. Nope, there are NO RISKS to opposing what is perceived by some as a regime that is going the way of totalitarianism. None at all. Hey, look over there, is that a squirrel? Moron.

If you don't think these protestors are risking their lives when police forces have no issues using force indiscriminately if they perceive any type of threat, you're too far gone for hope man. Look up David McAtee... even innocent people have been killed by police forces during protests. Man, you really are fucking stupid. Just because it's not a bunch of rich white guys, you don't think they have anything to lose. It must be sad to be you man.

[Parkbandit]

We don't need this kind of shit in our streets.

https://i.imgur.com/h9te5th.jpg

You are so easily manipulated... the perfect Democrat voter.

[Parkbandit]

Yeah, only senility could explain how you think people today aren't putting their lives on the line. Today, we have the Patriot Act. So call them a terrorist (which our president has done many times now) and they can be taken without anyone knowing, no rights, nothing, and held in detention for who knows how long. Nope, there are NO RISKS to opposing what is perceived by some as a regime that is going the way of totalitarianism. None at all. Hey, look over there, is that a squirrel? Moron.

If you don't think these protestors are risking their lives when police forces have no issues using force indiscriminately if they perceive any type of threat, you're too far gone for hope man. Look up David McAtee... even innocent people have been killed by police forces during protests. Man, you really are fucking stupid. Just because it's not a bunch of rich white guys, you don't think they have anything to lose. It must be sad to be you man.

Bro.. you equate the BLM with the Founding Fathers.

It's awesome to be me.. mostly because I'm not a barely functioning retard like you.

I know, I know.. "Derp, derp you 200 years old!"

Great job.. really...

[Solkern]

I realize this is pretty high level stuff we're discussing.. but I'm going to attempt to dumb this down to a 4th grade learning level so you can maybe understand it.

Blazer said these protesters (sorry big word here) are just like the Founding Fathers. I disagree.

We're talking about the specific protesters here. We're not talking about the police, or the non-protesters or people who are innocent bystanders. We are focused solely on the protesters themselves.

Blazer claimed that these protesters are having the same risks as the Founding Fathers. I asked him for examples of them risking their lives, their fortunes and their reputation like obviously the Founding Fathers did.

Blazer came back with that I'm 200+ years old so nanny nanny boo boo.... but that's because Blazer is a barely functional retard.

Now.. let's get back to you and your stupidity.

How many protesters have been killed by the police or some other government agency because they were protesting? Now, this is a very specific number because it's pretty easy to identify.

Stats that should be excluded in your count should be:

1) Innocent bystanders
2) Police officers (because they are the evil British Army in this exercise)
3) Protesters killing other protesters

So.. how many of your 30+ were actual protesters killed because they were protesting?

And as far as your 14000+ people that were arrested because they were protesting... how many were arrested because they were actually peaceful protesting? And of that number, how many have been convicted.. and what was the sentences?

Let’s see if I can make it as dumb as possible for you.
Did people die during the protest leading up the the revolution? Yes
Good!
Did people die during the protest regarding BLM? Yes.
Good!
Do you see a connection now?
How can your dumb ass say people aren’t risking their lives, when people have ALREADY DIED during these protest.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Floyd_protests

Let’s try again, just to make sure
People die before America revolution, protesting? Yes
People die during BLM protesting? Yes
Can you see the link yet?

Let’s try with less words
Protest pre-revolution, people die? Yes
BLM protest, people die? Yes

So yes you fucking idiot, people are risking their lives protesting, even after people have died they are still protesting, just like our founding fathers did before the revolution.

Congratulations PB! You have officially reached Tgo’s level of stupidness, and to be honest you are on your way to PK’s level or stupidness! Keep up the good work!

[Blazar]

I realize this is pretty high level stuff we're discussing.. but I'm going to attempt to dumb this down to a 4th grade learning level so you can maybe understand it.

Blazer said these protesters (sorry big word here) are just like the Founding Fathers. I disagree.

We're talking about the specific protesters here. We're not talking about the police, or the non-protesters or people who are innocent bystanders. We are focused solely on the protesters themselves.

Blazer claimed that these protesters are having the same risks as the Founding Fathers. I asked him for examples of them risking their lives, their fortunes and their reputation like obviously the Founding Fathers did.

Blazer came back with that I'm 200+ years old so nanny nanny boo boo.... but that's because Blazer is a barely functional retard.

Now.. let's get back to you and your stupidity.

How many protesters have been killed by the police or some other government agency because they were protesting? Now, this is a very specific number because it's pretty easy to identify.

Stats that should be excluded in your count should be:

1) Innocent bystanders
2) Police officers (because they are the evil British Army in this exercise)
3) Protesters killing other protesters

So.. how many of your 30+ were actual protesters killed because they were protesting?

And as far as your 14000+ people that were arrested because they were protesting... how many were arrested because they were actually peaceful protesting? And of that number, how many have been convicted.. and what was the sentences?

Man, you're a fucking idiot. It wasn't about governing themselves, it was because they were being asked to pay too much in taxes, you need to get your facts straight. No greater reason to do anything than money, right PB??

Current movement = 3 months?

Now PB, reach back in your memory, and remind us how long people were dissenting and rioting prior to the start of the revolution in 1775. Was the Tea Party in 1773 part of that? Would you consider that peaceful protest? How is that different from a riot? Enlighten us, please, ancient one.

People have the same shit to lose now as they ever did opposing the Government. You must be completely stupid if you don't realize that. What could they do to people then, that they can't do now? And if you say hanging, that isn't any different from death row, it's taking someone's life. Just wanted to head off your asinine response before you said it.

Man, you're a fucking idiot. And completely uneducated/ignorant, which is obvious by the fact that you still call non-disabled people retards. The fact that people like you can't just be a decent human being to, and have respect for, all people is just sad. You can be better than this PB, I just know it!

[Solkern]

Man, you're a fucking idiot. It wasn't about governing themselves, it was because they were being asked to pay too much in taxes, you need to get your facts straight. No greater reason to do anything than money, right PB??

Current movement = 3 months?

Now PB, reach back in your memory, and remind us how long people were dissenting and rioting prior to the start of the revolution in 1775. Was the Tea Party in 1773 part of that? Would you consider that peaceful protest? How is that different from a riot? Enlighten us, please, ancient one.

People have the same shit to lose now as they ever did opposing the Government. You must be completely stupid if you don't realize that. What could they do to people then, that they can't do now? And if you say hanging, that isn't any different from death row, it's taking someone's life. Just wanted to head off your asinine response before you said it.

Man, you're a fucking idiot. And completely uneducated/ignorant, which is obvious by the fact that you still call non-disabled people retards. The fact that people like you can't just be a decent human being to, and have respect for, all people is just sad. You can be better than this PB, I just know it!


And if my history is correct, it wasn’t just the British laying down the law, british supporters in America who were also taking matters into their own hands.

[Blazar]

And if my history is correct, it wasn’t just the British laying down the law, british supporters in America who were also taking matters into their own hands.

oh wait, you mean people who felt like Tgo01 and PB right now??? No fucking way...

[Solkern]

Man, you're a fucking idiot. It wasn't about governing themselves, it was because they were being asked to pay too much in taxes, you need to get your facts straight. No greater reason to do anything than money, right PB??

Current movement = 3 months?

Now PB, reach back in your memory, and remind us how long people were dissenting and rioting prior to the start of the revolution in 1775. Was the Tea Party in 1773 part of that? Would you consider that peaceful protest? How is that different from a riot? Enlighten us, please, ancient one.

People have the same shit to lose now as they ever did opposing the Government. You must be completely stupid if you don't realize that. What could they do to people then, that they can't do now? And if you say hanging, that isn't any different from death row, it's taking someone's life. Just wanted to head off your asinine response before you said it.

Man, you're a fucking idiot. And completely uneducated/ignorant, which is obvious by the fact that you still call non-disabled people retards. The fact that people like you can't just be a decent human being to, and have respect for, all people is just sad. You can be better than this PB, I just know it!

Dude, you do realize you are arguing with someone, who said Trump was jet lagged from his 2 hour flight as an excuse, when he ended up in the same exact time zone that he started in. That’s the level of stupidness he is.

[Solkern]

oh wait, you mean people who felt like Tgo01 and PB right now??? No fucking way...

I know it’s hard to believe, but it’s true.

[Tgo01]

oh wait, you mean people who felt like Tgo01 and PB right now??? No fucking way...

Are you still comparing this little commie "uprising" to the American revolution? This is funny.

Please continue.

So once again are we now saying this is a full scale revolution which means it's time to bring in the military with live ammunition so we can squash this rebellion in 2 seconds? Or are you demanding they be treated like defenseless protesters while having lurid dreams of them toppling the US government?

[Parkbandit]

Man, you're a fucking idiot. It wasn't about governing themselves, it was because they were being asked to pay too much in taxes, you need to get your facts straight. No greater reason to do anything than money, right PB??

Current movement = 3 months?

Now PB, reach back in your memory, and remind us how long people were dissenting and rioting prior to the start of the revolution in 1775. Was the Tea Party in 1773 part of that? Would you consider that peaceful protest? How is that different from a riot? Enlighten us, please, ancient one.

People have the same shit to lose now as they ever did opposing the Government. You must be completely stupid if you don't realize that. What could they do to people then, that they can't do now? And if you say hanging, that isn't any different from death row, it's taking someone's life. Just wanted to head off your asinine response before you said it.

Man, you're a fucking idiot. And completely uneducated/ignorant, which is obvious by the fact that you still call non-disabled people retards. The fact that people like you can't just be a decent human being to, and have respect for, all people is just sad. You can be better than this PB, I just know it!

Bro.. you are the one that said these protesters are the same as the Founding Fathers.

I pointed out stark differences.

It's not my fault you don't have the intellectual capacity to understand it.

But you keep saying these bunch of soy drinking, latte loving, beta male cucks like you are JUST LIKE the Founding Fathers.

Because that is hilarious to anyone with an IQ over 17

[Blazar]

Bro.. you are the one that said these protesters are the same as the Founding Fathers.

I pointed out stark differences.

It's not my fault you don't have the intellectual capacity to understand it.

But you keep saying these bunch of soy drinking, latte loving, beta male cucks like you are JUST LIKE the Founding Fathers.

Because that is hilarious to anyone with an IQ over 17

That's not what I said and you're well aware of it. You are such a fucking idiot. Pretending that this movement is any different from any other that started a political uprising just because you disagree with it, and seem to think that everyone involved is some soy cuck thing or whatever your stupid words say, is idiocy. Go jerk off to some hate porn or something, I'm so very tired of your mental acuity of a 2 year old. No wonder you think Trump is so awesome... he's actually probably smarter than you (not saying much but credit where it is due and all that).

I will from now on just reply to yours and Tgo01's posts with the only response that is relevant when dealing with you... "You're a fucking idiot." Have a great day you fucking idiots.

[Bhaalizmo]

That's not what I said and you're well aware of it. You are such a fucking idiot. Pretending that this movement is any different from any other that started a political uprising just because you disagree with it, and seem to think that everyone involved is some soy cuck thing or whatever your stupid words say, is idiocy. Go jerk off to some hate porn or something, I'm so very tired of your mental acuity of a 2 year old. No wonder you think Trump is so awesome... he's actually probably smarter than you (not saying much but credit where it is due and all that).

I will from now on just reply to yours and Tgo01's posts with the only response that is relevant when dealing with you... "You're a fucking idiot." Have a great day you fucking idiots.

Thats a about the point I've reached with that crew, hence my new signature and general lack of respect for them.

[Nathala Crane]

Bro.. you are the one that said these protesters are the same as the Founding Fathers.

I pointed out stark differences.

It's not my fault you don't have the intellectual capacity to understand it.

But you keep saying these bunch of soy drinking, latte loving, beta male cucks like you are JUST LIKE the Founding Fathers.

Because that is hilarious to anyone with an IQ over 17

I heard real alpha males troll the Politics folder on unofficial forums for text-based games, and cycle rep even though it means nothing and has for years now.

[FlayedAngel]

It's great that they're speaking out against it (I haven't heard all that much but I haven't really been looking) but it doesn't change the fact that the extremists exist and they hide in the crowd. I'm not saying that the police choose the right way to handle this but I don't envy the situation it puts them in.

It's a terrible disservice to any movement, the funny thing to me is that both sides are basically the same in this respect. They both have a few bad apples spoiling the bunch and each "organization" isn't calling their own out for the most part.
I would say they're disparate, in the sense that there exists a schism in power between the two; one is a loose coalition that came about as a reaction to the corruption of the other, and there's a vastly disproportionate amount of authority on one side as an institution, but... there's truth there. Part of the issue is that when people do call out these "bad apples" (as I've been doing) on the part of the protesters, some don't want to listen and continue to obstinately lump the entirety together as "Antifa" or whatever.

I'm sure there are "good" cops out there who do believe in justice, but the prevailing thought in the movement is that if the system actively dissuades them from standing up against the ones that aren't... then there's a problem with the system. I don't actually disagree with your overall point, and -- if nothing else -- the protests are, simply put, asking for more accountability, which I think is reasonable given the circumstances.

[Solkern]

I heard real alpha males troll the Politics folder on unofficial forums for text-based games, and cycle rep even though it means nothing and has for years now.

The sad part is, he’s probably 40+ and still trolls forums on the internet like a 16 year old child.. Like how pathetic does your life need to be, to resort to that as a way to get your rocks off. I just feel sorry for him.
I let my wife read some of the stuff he posts, and she can only say “Are Americans really that stupid?”

[Parkbandit]

I heard real alpha males troll the Politics folder on unofficial forums for text-based games, and cycle rep even though it means nothing and has for years now.

You poor thing. I think I broke you, didn't I.

Have a soy latte. It'll make you feel better.

[Parkbandit]

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/xBk72fziSwk/maxresdefault.jpg

OH SHIT LOOK! IT'S GEORGE WASHINGTON, THOMAS JEFFERSON AND JAMES MADDISON!

[drauz]

I would say they're disparate, in the sense that there exists a schism in power between the two; one is a loose coalition that came about as a reaction to the corruption of the other, and there's a vastly disproportionate amount of authority on one side as an institution, but... there's truth there. Part of the issue is that when people do call out these "bad apples" (as I've been doing) on the part of the protesters, some don't want to listen and continue to obstinately lump the entirety together as "Antifa" or whatever.

I'm sure there are "good" cops out there who do believe in justice, but the prevailing thought in the movement is that if the system actively dissuades them from standing up against the ones that aren't... then there's a problem with the system. I don't actually disagree with your overall point, and -- if nothing else -- the protests are, simply put, asking for more accountability, which I think is reasonable given the circumstances.

I do agree with you 100% on the accountability, this blue silence shit needs to end. Call a spade a spade. People who can take away your freedom for whatever amount of time need to be held to the highest standard. They NEED to be above reproach. I think bodycams need to be running for the entire shift without the ability to turn it off. It is good for everyone involved, well... except for bad cops.

[drauz]

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/xBk72fziSwk/maxresdefault.jpg

OH SHIT LOOK! IT'S GEORGE WASHINGTON, THOMAS JEFFERSON AND JAMES MADDISON!

I never understand why they choose the Soviet Union as their rallying symbol. It's like one of the worst versions of communism/socialism you can come up with.

[Nathala Crane]

The sad part is, he’s probably 40+ and still trolls forums on the internet like a 16 year old child.. Like how pathetic does your life need to be, to resort to that as a way to get your rocks off. I just feel sorry for him.
I let my wife read some of the stuff he posts, and she can only say “Are Americans really that stupid?”

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/650/747/aaf.png

[Solkern]

You poor thing. I think I broke you, didn't I.

Have a soy latte. It'll make you feel better.


Awww look at PK jr. trying to build his fragile little ego up by claiming accomplishments on a forum board. You go girl!

[Nathala Crane]

You poor thing. I think I broke you, didn't I.

Have a soy latte. It'll make you feel better.

Lmfao, you really only have one joke. *pulls the cord again*

[Solkern]

Lmfao, you really only have one joke. *pulls the cord again*

Like we except anything else from him. You know how simple minded people are.

[Bhaalizmo]

I do agree with you 100% on the accountability, this blue silence shit needs to end. Call a spade a spade. People who can take away your freedom for whatever amount of time need to be held to the highest standard. They NEED to be above reproach. I think bodycams need to be running for the entire shift without the ability to turn it off. It is good for everyone involved, well... except for bad cops.

This. 100%

The pigs will never regain the respect of the public without accountability, which is why the nameless insignia less body snatchers will only deepen the already broad mistrust of the police.

[Nathala Crane]

Like we except anything else from him. You know how simple minded people are.

He's cycling rep right now so he can give me red again. Boy, I'm really in for it. Fffffff

[Solkern]

This. 100%

The pigs will never regain the respect of the public without accountability, which is why the nameless insignia less body snatchers will only deepen the already broad mistrust of the police.

They also need to share information between precincts. This entire situation of being fired from one and getting hired in another needs to stop.

[Solkern]

He's cycling rep right now so he can give me red again. Boy, I'm really in for it. Fffffff

That rep means the world to him, he thinks it must mean the same to you. He probably checks it every day, and gives himself a high five and celebrates with a PBR. Hit 2,000,000 rep today, I’m a superstar!!

[FlayedAngel]

I do agree with you 100% on the accountability, this blue silence shit needs to end. Call a spade a spade. People who can take away your freedom for whatever amount of time need to be held to the highest standard. They NEED to be above reproach. I think bodycams need to be running for the entire shift without the ability to turn it off. It is good for everyone involved, well... except for bad cops.
Well-said.

[Solkern]

I’ve never served, but from what I know, even with hostile targets, isn’t it usually: you don’t fire, unless fired upon? What can’t we have the same mindset when it comes to policing our own citizens?

[FlayedAngel]

OH SHIT LOOK! IT'S GEORGE WASHINGTON


https://youtu.be/l7iVsdRbhnc

[Bhaalizmo]

That rep means the world to him, he thinks it must mean the same to you. He probably checks it every day, and gives himself a high five and celebrates with a PBR. Hit 2,000,000 rep today, I’m a superstar!!

I can't imagine it's doing anything but spiraling downwards as much as he fights with people.

[Solkern]

I can't imagine it's doing anything but spiraling downwards as much as he fights with people.

Him and his buddies cycle rep like it’s their job, most of the other people here don’t give two shits about it.

[Blazar]

I heard real alpha males troll the Politics folder on unofficial forums for text-based games, and cycle rep even though it means nothing and has for years now.

Good stuff right there.

[Blazar]

Haha, he's so old, he still thinks 'fag' is an insult, and not just someone who happens to be homosexual. If you just pay attention to the details, you can tell how unintelligent he really is, even if he sometimes does copy and paste big words from Fox News.

[Teveriel]

Lmfao, you really only have one joke. *pulls the cord again*



Thread: GMs are going to literally rewrite game lore and mechanics to remove racism
Stop crying about ad hominem. Makes you look like a soy loving, latte drinking betafag. I guess if the lipstick fits though....
I wonder who that could have been?

Stop pulling the cord, NC.

[Nathala Crane]

Stop pulling the cord, NC.

https://i.imgflip.com/2yxdnq.png

[Jeril]

Fixed that for you. And I know I'm right, I usually am, even if it doesn't fit your narrative. The reason why is because I don't support individuals and I don't lock myself into one view point. I use my brain, and support common sense, and constantly evolve my way of thinking as new information comes available. I believe in being fiscally conservative and morally liberal (in that everyone should be treated equally, which they currently are not). Some of us don't want to go back to the 1800's where we born PB, sorry. I know life was great as a white man this whole time, and things are changing, but it's for the betterment of all (just not for you personally, which is why you have a problem with it). It's not all about you snowflake.

The fact that you don't see any oppression or systemic racism in our country is remarkable. You going blind in your old age or something? Has to be the only excuse. Or is it just not as bad as it was back in your day, old timer, so that makes it okay?

The fact that you think this entire thing is about the BLM org, and not racism in general, says even more. I couldn't give a fuck less about BLM, but I do care about the people who are still being oppressed and treated differently because of their skin color in this country. And there are people still being oppressed, if you deny that then you're such a giant tool bag, I probably won't ever read another word you type as I'd put you in the flat-earther category.

Why should everyone be treated equally? I believe everyone should be treated equally under the eyes of the law. But outside of that I think everyone should be treated fairly, not equally. Equal treatment would mean that you expect a sameness in everyone that just isn't there.

[Tgo01]

https://twitter.com/DHS_Wolf/status/1287902961440567299?s=20

Largely peaceful protesters.

[FlayedAngel]

https://twitter.com/DHS_Wolf/status/1287902961440567299?s=20

Largely peaceful protesters.
Look at some of the responses to that tweet:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ed-bWUbUcAEQvq5?format=jpg&name=small

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ed-Po1gWkAA2kcH?format=jpg&name=small

[Shaps]

Reminds me of the age old adage... don't bring a knife to a gunfight.

Start a fight, understand you will get hit back. Don't blame someone if you attack them and get your ass kicked.

[Bobmuhthol]

Don't blame someone if you attack them and get your ass kicked.Can you support the claim that the people being injured by police first attacked the police?

[Shaps]

Can you support the claim that the people being injured by police first attacked the police?

Can you support the claim they were not?

Edit: See how this works?

[Bobmuhthol]

Warning: bombshell incoming.

I didn't make the claim you're attributing to me, but you did make the claim I'm attributing to you.

[Shaps]

Warning: bombshell incoming.

I didn't make the claim you're attributing to me, but you did make the claim I'm attributing to you.

Pretty sure the riots and the attack on the courthouse started before the federal officers arrived. I'd consider that starting some shit they shouldn't have. The violence, not the "peaceful protests".

[Bobmuhthol]

Okay, let's pretend you're right.

1. Federal officers arrived because of reported violence.
2. (You're missing a step here.)
3. Federal officers injured protesters.

Can you support the claim that the people being injured by police first attacked the police?

[FlayedAngel]

Pretty sure the riots and the attack on the courthouse started before the federal officers arrived. I'd consider that starting some shit they shouldn't have. The violence, not the "peaceful protests".
They did, yes... by local law enforcement. They teargassed and otherwise antagonized swathes of protesters who weren't doing anything, I'd consider that "starting some shit they shouldn't have."

[Shaps]

Show me proof that the federal officers acted first. I'll play your game.

Waiting for links.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Show me video evidence the pictures of people in the hospital were assaulted by officers, and not the terrorists trying to burn down federal buildings...

[Bobmuhthol]

Show me proof that the federal officers acted first. I'll play your game.

Waiting for links.


Show me video evidence the pictures of people in the hospital were assaulted by officers, and not the terrorists trying to burn down federal buildings...

I'm not convinced that either of you understands what it means to make a claim, but I'll just repeat myself to avoid any confusion.


I didn't make the claim you're attributing to me, but you did make the claim I'm attributing to you.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I wasn't talking to anyone, really, Bob. I was just posting something absurd.

[FlayedAngel]

It would be difficult to prove that in either direction -‐ I was clarifying by providing an opinion about an opinion.

If anyone wants more of that, they can read back.

[Tgo01]

Look at some of the responses to that tweet:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ed-bWUbUcAEQvq5?format=jpg&name=small

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ed-Po1gWkAA2kcH?format=jpg&name=small

Darn police not just sitting back and taking all of that assault on their persons. What monsters.

[FlayedAngel]

Darn police not just sitting back and taking all of that assault on their persons. What monsters.
Yeah, how dare they hold signs and speak loudly about something that matters.

[Solkern]

Darn police not just sitting back and taking all of that assault on their persons. What monsters.

Darn those protesters, not just sitting back and taking all of those police assaults on people, what monsters.

[Tgo01]

Yeah, how dare they hold signs and speak loudly about something that matters.

Oh right, we're still playing this dumb game where there are no violent rioters. They are all just holding signs!

Do you ever get tired of spouting this same wrong shit, ignoring actual violence unfolding in your city, night after night after night?

As long as the violent ones support your politics right?

[Alfster]

Oh right, we're still playing this dumb game where there are no violent rioters. They are all just holding signs!

Do you ever get tired of spouting this same wrong shit, ignoring actual violence unfolding in your city, night after night after night?

As long as the violent ones support your politics right?

In your world, every protestor is a rioter.

[FlayedAngel]

Oh right, we're still playing this dumb game where there are no violent rioters. They are all just holding signs!

Do you ever get tired of spouting this same wrong shit, ignoring actual violence unfolding in your city, night after night after night?

As long as the violent ones support your politics right?
You mad, bro?

Actually, I was just engaging in the same argumentation style for funsies.

It sucks, huh?

[Tgo01]

Darn those protesters, not just sitting back and taking all of those police assaults on people, what monsters.

Maybe if rioters stopped, you know, rioting and attacking the police then the police wouldn't have to defend themselves.

Do better in life, Solkern.

[Tgo01]

In your world, every protestor is a rioter.

In your world every rioter is a Sunday school teacher who just got caught up in the crossfire.

[Tgo01]

You mad, bro?

Naww, just realized you're no better than the typical far leftist who posts on these forums. You proved that plenty.

[Solkern]

Maybe if rioters stopped, you know, rioting and attacking the police then the police wouldn't have to defend themselves.

Do better in life, Solkern.



or you know, a police officer kneeling on a defenseless man's neck while he's handcuffed, begging for his life, which lead to his death, we wouldn't even be at this point.

Try harder Karen.

[Tgo01]

or you know, a police officer kneeling on a defenseless man's neck while he's handcuffed, begging for his life, which lead to his death, we wouldn't even be at this point.

Try harder Karen.

Is this going to be your excuse for every rioter now? It's okay when they do it because of George Floyd? I doubt you even remember his name anymore, he's just another black man to be used to push your pathetic politics by this point.

Fucking pathetic.

[Wrathbringer]

Is this going to be your excuse for every rioter now? It's okay when they do it because of George Floyd? I doubt you even remember his name anymore, he's just another black man to be used to push your pathetic politics by this point.

Fucking pathetic.

This is correct.

[FlayedAngel]

Is this going to be your excuse for every rioter now? It's okay when they do it because of George Floyd? I doubt you even remember his name anymore, he's just another black man to be used to push your pathetic politics by this point.

Fucking pathetic.
You sure you're not mad... Karen?

[Tgo01]

You sure you're not mad... Karen?

Don't you have some violent rioters to defend while they burn down your city?

[Tgo01]

https://twitter.com/MarkDice/status/1287813180647804928?s=20

Another white woman learning that white privilege is a myth.

[FlayedAngel]

In your world every rioter is a Sunday school teacher who just got caught up in the crossfire.
Who suggested that was the case?

Have I not acknowledged the violent elements multiple times?