Russia Just Invaded Ukraine

[Parkbandit]

Joe Biden beat Putin at his own game. By supporting Ukraine to fight off Russia it put Russia in a weaker position globally economically and militarily. All without losing a single US troop.

Trump wants to cave to Putin like nothing ever happened. It's spineless, cowardice, enabling, dumb, and totally goes against the grain of American toughness.

I agree Biden understood Putin better than Trump. By standing up to Putin and showing strength is the only way to deal with him.

If by saying Biden could have done more means him agreeing to Ukraine striking inside of Russia I would agree. I'd be interested to hear what you think he could have done?

This thread has 2500+ posts in it and has been going on for 11 years....

And you still managed to make the 2 dumbest posts in the entire thread today.

Kudos.

[Methais]

Joe Biden beat Putin at his own game. By supporting Ukraine to fight off Russia it put Russia in a weaker position globally economically and militarily. All without losing a single US troop.

Trump wants to cave to Putin like nothing ever happened. It's spineless, cowardice, enabling, dumb, and totally goes against the grain of American toughness.

I agree Biden understood Putin better than Trump. By standing up to Putin and showing strength is the only way to deal with him.

If by saying Biden could have done more means him agreeing to Ukraine striking inside of Russia I would agree. I'd be interested to hear what you think he could have done?

1.) Biden didn't even know what he fuck was going on or where he was for his entire time in office and wasn't running anything. Remember when his handlers posted from Biden's Twitter that he wasn't seeking reelection and Biden had no fucking clue about it?

2.) Your immeasurable stupidity never ceases to amaze.

[Suppressed Poet]

Concur, Trump has tried to do more, but hasn’t had any success to be honest, as the war is still raging on.

The problem is Trump really believes he can make peace happen, he can’t, no one can. Putin does not want peace.

Russia has major economic issues including massive inflation. A wartime economy is unsustainable. I think Putin must secure victory (however they define that) but logically they have great incentive to make peace. You don’t think Putin wants sanctions lifted on the U.S. and EU?

[Suppressed Poet]

Potsdam Conference Happened MONTHS after Germany surrendered, and the focus shifted from planning to implementation: confirming borders, setting policies (demilitarization, denazification, reparations, democratization), and managing day-to-day administration.

Bingo.

This was the real point Nazi Germany ceased to exist, and was replaced by what would be East & West Germany.

Do you know what Stalin planned to do before Germany invaded Russia? They were going to mop up whatever was left of Europe after it was decimated by war.

Do you know what McCarthy, Patton, and Churchill wanted to do with Russia? We we very close to continuing the war and turning on the Soviet Union.

I say the WW2 didn’t end until the new world order was founded, which was an Iron Curtain that divided liberty loving democratic governments in the West vs oppressive communism in the East. Fight me.

[Suppressed Poet]

I agree Biden understood Putin better than Trump. By standing up to Putin and showing strength is the only way to deal with him.

If by saying Biden could have done more means him agreeing to Ukraine striking inside of Russia I would agree. I'd be interested to hear what you think he could have done?

Hey retard, Biden allowed Putin to invade Ukraine. Putin took advantage of a weak POTUS and knew he could get away with it. The only thing Biden did after that was waste our tax dollars, which is what his handlers did best. The Biden administration didn’t do shit to stand up to Putin…

[Solkern]

Russia has major economic issues including massive inflation. A wartime economy is unsustainable. I think Putin must secure victory (however they define that) but logically they have great incentive to make peace. You don’t think Putin wants sanctions lifted on the U.S. and EU?

It’s not a great incentive. Why? Lifting sanctions won’t change anything, and the EU won’t lift sanctions.

Companies don’t trust Russia. Russia isn’t a large market for most foreign companies. No one trust Putin, or the Russian government.

If the war ended tomorrow and magically all sanctions got lifted. Unless they got a major influx of cash from foreign governments, their economy would collapse. No country wants to, or can support Russia post war, that includes China.

My wife’s city, 70% of the city lost their jobs. It’s the 4th largest city in Russia.

Russia won’t return all seized assets and money, we both know that. Their planes are on forced confiscation, Boeing and airbus wont help them.

Their entire economy is driven just by the war, the Russians that fled? Won’t return, the labor shortages won’t be solved by the war ending, they don’t have money to support, fix and rebuild the territory they took.

Russia loses no matter what. Putin is just delaying the inevitable.

[Solkern]

Bingo.

This was the real point Nazi Germany ceased to exist, and was replaced by what would be East & West Germany.

Do you know what Stalin planned to do before Germany invaded Russia? They were going to mop up whatever was left of Europe after it was decimated by war.

Do you know what McCarthy, Patton, and Churchill wanted to do with Russia? We we very close to continuing the war and turning on the Soviet Union.

I say the WW2 didn’t end until the new world order was founded, which was an Iron Curtain that divided liberty loving democratic governments in the West vs oppressive communism in the East. Fight me.

I will fight you! WW2 ended the day Germany surrendered, and the time you reference was when the Cold War started.

[Suppressed Poet]

I will fight you! WW2 ended the day Germany surrendered, and the time you reference was when the Cold War started.

Fair enough.

Let’s go back to what JD Vance said. “If you go back to World War II, if you go back to World War I. If you go back to every major conflict in human history, they all end with some kind of negotiation.”

I’ll continue to make the argument that a ton of negotiation happened between the Allies in order to bring WW2 to a complete conclusion. He said some kind of negotiation. I don’t think that is deserving of ridicule for making that statement.

[Solkern]

Fair enough.

Let’s go back to what JD Vance said. “If you go back to World War II, if you go back to World War I. If you go back to every major conflict in human history, they all end with some kind of negotiation.”

I’ll continue to make the argument that a ton of negotiation happened between the Allies in order to bring WW2 to a complete conclusion. He said some kind of negotiation. I don’t think that is deserving of ridicule for making that statement.

We both know you are stretching for this. It’s obvious he meant negotiations with Germany.

Next, I never once disputed what Vance said. My comments were directly solely at the two, or maybe it was 3 that said the allies negotiated with Germany, which is incorrect, they never did.

They never did because of WW1

Once again, the allies discussed it, or as you put it, negotiated more than a year before the conclusion of the war, so negotiations did not end WW2, if they did, it would have finished in 43.

So Vance stating that WW2 ended with negotiations, is false. There was zero negotiations done at any point leading up to Germany’s surrender.

On top of that, the negotiations had zero to do with Germany actually surrendering, why? Quite simple, Germany wasn’t involved and had no clue what the allies discussed.

I mean come on man, Vance misspoke, that it. I never ridiculed him once, people misspeak all the time.

The allies AND Germany all said the war ended without any form of negotiations, what more do you need? Are you saying the countries that were actually involved in the war are all wrong and Vance is correct? lol?

[Suppressed Poet]

We both know you are stretching for this. It’s obvious he meant negotiations with Germany.

Next, I never once disputed what Vance said. My comments were directly solely at the two, or maybe it was 3 that said the allies negotiated with Germany, which is incorrect, they never did.

They never did because of WW1

Once again, the allies discussed it, or as you put it, negotiated more than a year before the conclusion of the war, so negotiations did not end WW2, if they did, it would have finished in 43.

So Vance stating that WW2 ended with negotiations, is false. There was zero negotiations done at any point leading up to Germany’s surrender.

On top of that, the negotiations had zero to do with Germany actually surrendering, why? Quite simple, Germany wasn’t involved and had no clue what the allies discussed.

I mean come on man, Vance misspoke, that it. I never ridiculed him once, people misspeak all the time.

The allies AND Germany all said the war ended without any form of negotiations, what more do you need? Are you saying the countries that were actually involved in the war are all wrong and Vance is correct? lol?

Had the western Allies started fighting against the Soviet Union when they met in Germany, would you concede WW2 did not end with Germany’s surrender? Sure they started talking about what to do about Germany post-war in 43, but it really didn’t start coming together as a settled solution until Potsdam.